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Ken Rosenthal's Inside Scoop: Cam Smith time, Catcher extensions, White Sox worse? Red Sox cut scouts · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: Don't tell me that, oh my gosh, this sport, everything
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  Speaker 1: is going to play out exactly the way we think.
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  Speaker 1: It never plays out exactly the way we think.
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  Speaker 2: Let's hit the inside scoop with FT senior insider Ken Rosenthal.
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  Speaker 2: It's presented by homage legends never Die wearing one of
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  Speaker 2: their shirts.
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  Speaker 3: All right, let's talk for kidding. Do you want to
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  Speaker 3: ask him? What do you think about?
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  Speaker 4: Okay?
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  Speaker 2: Are you okay with this mascot race that the Mets
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  Speaker 2: are rolling out there? Because I don't get to comment
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  Speaker 2: much on something that I actually feel like I have
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  Speaker 2: a saying.
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  Speaker 3: But I'm a fan. They're former players. This is fun.
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  Speaker 2: I brought people to games that don't know a lick
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  Speaker 2: about baseball and they like that part of it.
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  Speaker 5: They do like that part.
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  Speaker 1: I don't have a problem with it. I understand where
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  Speaker 1: Todd is coming from. My favorite part of that whole
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  Speaker 1: exchange was the haym and tweet about the subway finishing
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  Speaker 1: last if you're from New York. I've lived in New
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  Speaker 1: York for any stretch of time that and we know
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  Speaker 1: the subway is not always going to finish last. But John,
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  Speaker 1: that's that's his best tweet.
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  Speaker 3: In a while.
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  Speaker 2: I agree that one really hit home for me too,
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  Speaker 2: Ken I lost a lot of weight sometimes down in
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  Speaker 2: the summertime waiting for the subway. It's twenty five minutes late,
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  Speaker 2: it's one hundred and five degrees down there, and you're
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  Speaker 2: sweat and you're your body off. So anyway, okay, good,
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  Speaker 2: glad to hear. Not to mention one more quick thing.
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  Speaker 2: Fans do the wave at many ballparks, and I think
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  Speaker 2: that's crazy. So if you think that's ridiculous, I love
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  Speaker 2: the way. What's wrong with this? You go all day
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  Speaker 2: on there? Anyway, let's get to biz. Let's start with
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  Speaker 2: your article on cal Riley. What did you think of
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  Speaker 2: this extension? For both him and for the Mariners side?
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  Speaker 1: Win win, And it's rare when you hear of an
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  Speaker 1: extension that from the player's perspective is considered really good.
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  Speaker 1: And yet the reaction I heard yesterday from the player's
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  Speaker 1: sides and different people was this is a really strong
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  Speaker 1: number for him. One five over six years. And as
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  Speaker 1: I wrote in the article, in the three years, the
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  Speaker 1: first three years which would have been the ARB years,
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  Speaker 1: he's over where he would have would have been. And
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  Speaker 1: in the free agent years, He's at pretty much record
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  Speaker 1: levels for a catcher. So he did really well. And
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  Speaker 1: from the Mariners' perspective, yes, it's a lot of money.
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  Speaker 1: Yes they needed a win. They didn't do much at
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  Speaker 1: all this offseason. He is a guy who is willing
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  Speaker 1: to play there and wants to be there. He took
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  Speaker 1: a no trade clause in this deal, and he also
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  Speaker 1: is kind of the center of what they do. They
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  Speaker 1: are built around their starting pitching in particular, they're pitching
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  Speaker 1: in general, and this guy is everything you would want
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  Speaker 1: as a catcher. He's a homegrown star. He plays all
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  Speaker 1: the time, most games played as a catcher in the
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  Speaker 1: last three years, most home runs as a catcher in
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  Speaker 1: the last three years, and his defensive metrics are outstanding.
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  Speaker 1: So from that perspective, that's why I say win win.
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  Speaker 5: Ali Hunter Kirk's contract extension just came out the other day.
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  Speaker 5: Both of these guys value. There's a lot of value. Obviously,
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  Speaker 5: way more value for col Is in receiving. Have you
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  Speaker 5: heard anything since these newly minted contracts came out that
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  Speaker 5: teams would be like, I don't know that value is
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  Speaker 5: going to go down when the ABS system comes in.
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  Speaker 5: Even though there's still going to be able to you know,
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  Speaker 5: it's not every pitch is challenged.
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  Speaker 1: There is some question about whether catchers will be valued
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  Speaker 1: quite the same way once ABS with a challenge system
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  Speaker 1: is in place. Now, framing is still going to be important.
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  Speaker 1: It might not be quite as important because, of course
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  Speaker 1: you'll have the ability to challenge, but you can't challenge
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  Speaker 1: every pitch. And as long as we're in a situation
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  Speaker 1: where it's not full roboump right, where every pitch is
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  Speaker 1: called by ABS, then framing will still be a skill
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  Speaker 1: that is valued. But when I asked about this yesterday
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  Speaker 1: relative to Raleigh, who was the second best framer in
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  Speaker 1: baseball last year, the answer I got was, yeah, that's
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  Speaker 1: part of it.
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  Speaker 5: But Eric, I don't need to tell you.
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  Speaker 1: Receiving, catching, blocking, throwing, preparation, game calling, all of these
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  Speaker 1: things are part of what a catcher does, and varying
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  Speaker 1: degrees are importance. So framing is not insignificant. We've learned
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  Speaker 1: that over the years. But it's not the whole deal either.
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  Speaker 5: Ken, do you feel like there's a chance they could
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  Speaker 5: give him a sea on his chest. I don't know
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  Speaker 5: if the Mariners have ever done that. He just feels
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  Speaker 5: like that kind of guy.
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  Speaker 3: He does.
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  Speaker 1: Now, I did not ask about that. I have not
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  Speaker 1: heard much talk about that, and I don't know what
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  Speaker 1: the Mariner's history is with putting a see on a
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  Speaker 1: player's chest, but he is that guy, and he certainly
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  Speaker 1: is the center of what they do. A catcher, of course, Eric,
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  Speaker 1: as you know, is often a leader, and he is that.
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  Speaker 1: He also is kind of a model player in his work,
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  Speaker 1: ethic and all of that. So if they were ever
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  Speaker 1: going to do it, he would be someone who would
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  Speaker 1: be certainly a candidate for that.
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  Speaker 6: Moving forward, here, Cam Smith making the team. What a
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  Speaker 6: really really cool thing they did down there for him
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  Speaker 6: bringing the family in. I think that's really exciting. Talk
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  Speaker 6: a little bit about that and what you look forward
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  Speaker 6: to seeing out of him this year.
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  Speaker 1: This is one of the most fascinating stories of the
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  Speaker 1: season for me. This kid was drafted last year and
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  Speaker 1: now they're asking him to play a new position in
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  Speaker 1: the major leagues because they feel his bat is that good.
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  Speaker 1: The other layer with Cam Smith is, of course, he
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  Speaker 1: was the centerpiece of the Kyle Tucker trade, So Cubs
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  Speaker 1: fans are already freaking out saying, why do you trade
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  Speaker 1: this guy? He's breaking with the Astros this year. But
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  Speaker 1: let's see how this plays out, because I'm a little
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  Speaker 1: concerned that this is too much too soon, particularly on
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  Speaker 1: the defensive end. And as you guys know, yes, there
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  Speaker 1: are some players who are gifted enough basically to walk
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  Speaker 1: right into the big leagues, and maybe cam Smith is
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  Speaker 1: one of them, but the sport is so difficult that
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  Speaker 1: it almost seems to me this is too quick. Now
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  Speaker 1: we'll see, and I'm really excited to see him play.
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  Speaker 1: He had an amazing spring. But while the story is
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  Speaker 1: great and what happened yesterday was really cool, for people
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  Speaker 1: who have not maybe seen that video, I would encourage
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  Speaker 1: them to watch it. I just am a little concern
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  Speaker 1: that again, too much too soon.
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  Speaker 7: And Ken, speaking of concern, a little concern about Jordan Montgomery.
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  Speaker 7: We know he's going to miss some time having the
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  Speaker 7: TJ surgery again. What does his future look like now
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  Speaker 7: he's thirty one years old. Is he going to have
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  Speaker 7: anything left in the tank after two Tommy Johns.
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  Speaker 1: It's always a question, Danny. Now, there have been pictures
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  Speaker 1: in the last several years who have come back from
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  Speaker 1: a second Tommy John. Spencer Stryder is doing it right now,
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  Speaker 1: But it is something that is not easy. It is
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  Speaker 1: not a guarantee by any stretch of the imagination. I
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  Speaker 1: am sure that Jordan Montgomery, as competitive as he is,
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  Speaker 1: does not want his career to be over, does not
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  Speaker 1: even think like that right now. But yeah, it sets
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  Speaker 1: him back. And of course the free agent contract he
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  Speaker 1: signed with the Diamondbacks has proven to be nothing short
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  Speaker 1: of a disaster. No, not that he intended that or
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  Speaker 1: anyone intended that. It just kind of happened that way.
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  Speaker 1: So we'll see where this goes. But he'll come back
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  Speaker 1: when he does as a free agent, be free to
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  Speaker 1: sign any team, with any team he wants, and we'll
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  Speaker 1: see where it goes from there.
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  Speaker 5: Am I wrong to think that it's weird that Joe
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  Speaker 5: Polad still wants to be part of the ownership group
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  Speaker 5: or part of the team after he's selling it. Or
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  Speaker 5: is this something that you know, somebody kind of stays
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  Speaker 5: on from the old regime, just in a smaller, smaller role.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not sure exactly that that is his desire.
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  Speaker 3: Now, we did say that in the story.
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  Speaker 1: And certainly I would imagine if he could stay on
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  Speaker 1: in some way, I'll do that, But I don't know
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  Speaker 1: that he's.
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  Speaker 3: Going to insist on it or anything like that.
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  Speaker 1: So the big thing with the Twins story that I
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  Speaker 1: published with Pretty Rooli and Dan Hayes yesterday is that
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  Speaker 1: they have this debt four hundred and twenty five million
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  Speaker 1: dollars plus in debt that factors into the sale process.
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  Speaker 1: They want a number that is going to enable them
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  Speaker 1: to take away a certain amount of money even with
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  Speaker 1: the new owner assuming most or all of the debt.
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  Speaker 1: They rejected or at least kind of snubbed evaluation of
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  Speaker 1: one point five billion. We don't know if it was
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  Speaker 1: an actual offer, how it exactly came around, but one
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  Speaker 1: point five billion was in there and they said no.
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  Speaker 1: Forbes comes out today with its franchise valuations and values
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  Speaker 1: the Twins that wear one point five billion. So I
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  Speaker 1: am sure that if you've got four hundred million dollars
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  Speaker 1: in debt, you'd want the number to be as high
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  Speaker 1: as possible so that ultimately your takeaway is as much
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  Speaker 1: as it can be. And it's unclear where this is
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  Speaker 1: going to go. Maybe a group steps up and gives
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  Speaker 1: the Twins what they want, Maybe they settle for a
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  Speaker 1: little bit less than they were seeking, or maybe they
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  Speaker 1: don't sell the team right away. All of these possibilities
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  Speaker 1: are in play.
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  Speaker 5: All right, what's your favorite prediction for this year? Because
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  Speaker 5: we know how much you love predictions and how no
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  Speaker 5: fans ever come back and say, wow, Ken, you are
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  Speaker 5: so right on that prediction.
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  Speaker 1: Well, first of all, Eric, fans never say that because
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  Speaker 1: my predictions inevitably suck. So it's not like I'm sitting
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  Speaker 1: there waiting for fans to acknowledge my predictions as being
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  Speaker 1: so great. I've got the Braves beating the Rangers in
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  Speaker 1: the World Series.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure that's wrong.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure it's not going to turn out that way.
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  Speaker 1: But the beauty of this is that in baseball, we
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  Speaker 1: don't know what's going to happen. It's my favorite thing
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  Speaker 1: about the sport. And you could say, oh, the Dodgers
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  Speaker 1: are a locked. The Dodgers aren't a lock. The Dodgers
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  Speaker 1: the Great Mighty Dodgers, knocked out in the twenty twenty
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  Speaker 1: two Division Series, knocked out in the twenty twenty three
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  Speaker 1: Division Series, nearly knocked out in the twenty twenty four
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  Speaker 1: Division Series. So don't tell me that, Oh my gosh,
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  Speaker 1: this sport everything is going to play out exactly the
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  Speaker 1: way we think. It never plays out exactly the way
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  Speaker 1: we think.
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  Speaker 3: That's good.
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  Speaker 2: All right, let's finish with this ken favorite Opening Day
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  Speaker 2: memory or anything you're looking forward to with tomorrow.
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  Speaker 1: My favorite memory, it's kind of a weird one, but
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  Speaker 1: nineteen eighty eight, I'm covering the Baltimore Orioles. They lose
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  Speaker 1: Opening Day to the Brewers, who are in the American League.
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  Speaker 1: Then I believe the score was twelve nothing. It was
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  Speaker 1: a comedy of errors. It was a nightmare of a
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  Speaker 1: game for the Oriols. And it was at home at
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  Speaker 1: Memorial Stadium. And I remember after the game going into
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  Speaker 1: the clubhouse and hearing the usual when you hear or
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  Speaker 1: when you see a team have a bad loss, just
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  Speaker 1: one game, don't worry about it. We'll come back tomorrow.
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  Speaker 1: It's just the way it is. We'll flush it all
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  Speaker 1: the cliches. Well, guess what. It wasn't just one game.
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  Speaker 1: They lost twenty one in a row to start the season.
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  Speaker 1: So that's my memory. I can't get it out of
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  Speaker 1: my head.
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  Speaker 3: That is crazy. So if anyone loses, if anyone loses.
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  Speaker 8: Twelve to nothing, tomorrow they're going on a twenty one
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  Speaker 8: game streak to start.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well yeah, I wouldn't say that, but every year
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  Speaker 1: team starts off and five oh and six, and I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: it's child's play. Get to fifteen, we'll start.
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  Speaker 4: Talking twenty one boys.
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  Speaker 1: Hey own twenty one with the team that Hey, Murray Cawcken,
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  Speaker 1: Mike Bodiker not a Hall of Famer but a good
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  Speaker 1: pitcher at the time, and Bill Ripkin. There was some
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  Speaker 1: other really good players, And it was just one of
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  Speaker 1: those things.
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  Speaker 2: More quick things. I heard you on Jason Starks Show
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  Speaker 2: the other day. Ken, The craziest thing I heard on
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  Speaker 2: this topic was that, seriously that the White Sox will
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  Speaker 2: lose more games this year than last year. He said,
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  Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty four losses. I listened to all
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  Speaker 2: you're back and forth, and I was like, wow, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: it's not crazy, but it also is just based on
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  Speaker 2: I don't know the law of averages in baseball, and
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  Speaker 2: I know they're worse. They got rid of Crochet, that
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  Speaker 2: might get rid of Robert. But I still was like,
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  Speaker 2: can you imagine if after all that last year they're
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  Speaker 2: even worse.
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  Speaker 1: I can't imagine it. And I put the number at
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  Speaker 1: one ten. I think it was Jason at one twenty four.
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  Speaker 3: Which surprised me.
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  Speaker 1: Jason is the most reasonable, level headed person of all
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  Speaker 1: of us. But his argument was good. He listed the
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  Speaker 1: members of the rotation that I don't know that any
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  Speaker 1: even knowledgeable fan could list the five members of the
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  Speaker 1: White Sox rotation if you're not a White Sox fan,
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  Speaker 1: even if you are, so is it possible they lose more? Yes,
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  Speaker 1: but I'm with you, Scott Law of Averages. It's just
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  Speaker 1: difficult to imagine them being that bad again.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, like, are they going to be terrible?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, but I mean they could lose one seventeen and
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  Speaker 2: that's not one twenty one and it's not one twenty four,
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  Speaker 2: So that's all. I was just like, one twenty four. Ken,
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  Speaker 2: thank you, good to see you, and we're excited for
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  Speaker 2: opening day.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely, guys, thanks.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: That's Ken Rosenthal. That's inside Scoop that's presented by Homage.
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  Speaker 6: or whatever. That looks like it's got every team back.
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  Speaker 8: Then that's nice.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: No?
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  Speaker 4: No, they used to when I was like three or four,
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  Speaker 4: Not not anymore.
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  Speaker 2: Some would think I'm three or four with ash media, all.
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  Speaker 3: Right, what's the beef?
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  Speaker 2: So there was a good story in the Athletic from
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  Speaker 2: Jen McCaffrey about the Red Sox front office doing some
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  Speaker 2: audits and some changes, and that includes losing people that
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  Speaker 2: have been with the organization for a long time scouting
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  Speaker 2: wise as well. Krats worked for them for like eight minutes,
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  Speaker 2: I think, so we'll get him involved too. So I mean, technically, Krats,
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  Speaker 2: you were part of cuts at one point, or maybe
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  Speaker 2: you cut yourself. I don't know, but anyway, among them
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  Speaker 2: you did, I figured that would be the case.
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  Speaker 3: You do that often.
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  Speaker 2: Among them was longtime scout will Romey, who had a
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  Speaker 2: huge impact on the team that from the story. He
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  Speaker 2: signed Roman Anthony, Tristan Cassis and Cutter Crawford.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: I shouted out Dana Brown earlier in the show, who
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  Speaker 2: I know behind the scenes.
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  Speaker 3: And I've talked to Alex Anthopolis about this.
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  Speaker 2: He's been a wiz at finding some of the best
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  Speaker 2: talent for Atlanta and now he's doing it for Houston.
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  Speaker 2: So what did you think of this story and these
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  Speaker 2: changes that happen. I mean, this has been a storyline
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  Speaker 2: for the past ten years or so where it's less
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  Speaker 2: scouts and it's more in the analytics department. So this
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  Speaker 2: comes to life and it's hard for me Kratz to
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  Speaker 2: read because I'm always like, why can't we have both
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  Speaker 2: And if somebody has picked out three valuable players over
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  Speaker 2: a short time period, don't they get to stay on
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  Speaker 2: board and hopefully find more Or is there more to it?
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  Speaker 5: I think there's I have to be straight up honest.
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  Speaker 5: I think there's some inefficiencies with scouts, and scouts might
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  Speaker 5: be hissed. But I also think there's some underappreciation of scouts.
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  Speaker 5: These dudes they work on one year deals. They work
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  Speaker 5: on one year deals, they travel two hundred and eighty
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  Speaker 5: days out of the year. They're seeing these guys and
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  Speaker 5: it's not just one person that's finding those players like
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  Speaker 5: it is a group. So to say, oh, well he
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  Speaker 5: signed them, it doesn't mean that he was the first
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  Speaker 5: to see them. It's a long process. And that's where
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  Speaker 5: I have the issue is you need these bodies. You
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  Speaker 5: can't just go and find somebody like a Christian Campbell.
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  Speaker 5: You need to see him in different environments. I remember
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  Speaker 5: a pirate scout told me when Bryce Harper was coming
• 16:46
  Speaker 5: out of high school. He's like, we're not we don't
• 16:49
  Speaker 5: have the first pick. We got no shot of getting
• 16:51
  Speaker 5: Bryce Harper. I was like, so do you just quit
• 16:54
  Speaker 5: because he was in his region? I was like, do
• 16:56
  Speaker 5: you just quit watching him? He goes, I've seen fifty
• 16:59
  Speaker 5: two of his at bats already this year and they
• 17:02
  Speaker 5: had no chance of picking him. So you have to
• 17:05
  Speaker 5: have these guys boots on the ground. You can't just
• 17:08
  Speaker 5: discount what they do. But also some scouts need to
• 17:12
  Speaker 5: get with the times, and I think sometimes that's why
• 17:15
  Speaker 5: you need to make these cuts and new front office.
• 17:18
  Speaker 5: They're learning, the people learning what they do and what
• 17:20
  Speaker 5: they don't do. There's a real, real tough dichotomy here
• 17:25
  Speaker 5: of like different things pulling in both directions.
• 17:29
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I think that's kind of one of the points
• 17:32
  Speaker 7: I wanted to make with You got scouts that have
• 17:34
  Speaker 7: been around for forty or fifty years. Are they adjusting
• 17:38
  Speaker 7: to the times of what baseball is now with the
• 17:41
  Speaker 7: analytics and stuff, Because I know that there's a lot
• 17:44
  Speaker 7: of older scouts that say, I'm old school. I'm not
• 17:48
  Speaker 7: changing the ways that I'm scouting players. But that's how
• 17:52
  Speaker 7: they're signing players these days and bringing players up to
• 17:54
  Speaker 7: the big leagues by you know, it's not just by
• 17:57
  Speaker 7: batting average, it's you know, velocity off.
• 18:01
  Speaker 8: The bad and you know, on base trans whatever.
• 18:03
  Speaker 7: The analytics they use some scouts just don't want to
• 18:06
  Speaker 7: use that anymore, the old time scouts, So obviously sometimes
• 18:11
  Speaker 7: you have to have some change after that.
• 18:12
  Speaker 6: And listen, I'm here to back the scouts because I
• 18:16
  Speaker 6: at the end of the day, like I still talk
• 18:18
  Speaker 6: to some of them old timers that scouted me or
• 18:20
  Speaker 6: scouting my brothers or the guys in the early nineties,
• 18:23
  Speaker 6: and they're still doing it, you know, and they still
• 18:26
  Speaker 6: hit me up. Hey, I'm at a Ruckers game just
• 18:28
  Speaker 6: saying I'm looking at this guy, and I think it's
• 18:30
  Speaker 6: pretty cool to.
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: See these guys still doing it. Yeah, I'm sure some
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: of them still don't understand it.
• 18:35
  Speaker 6: But at the same time that old school input like
• 18:39
  Speaker 6: Kenny player, can he not play? At the end of
• 18:41
  Speaker 6: the day, is this guy going.
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: To help our ball club? Forget about all the damn
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: numbers I can't stand that.
• 18:46
  Speaker 6: Is this guy going to come in four and five
• 18:48
  Speaker 6: years to come in and impact our ball club? And
• 18:50
  Speaker 6: these old time scouts they still see it, and they
• 18:52
  Speaker 6: still understand that. Whether they want to take that advice
• 18:55
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  Speaker 3: The number here for this staff.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: They said on the amateur scouting staff side was at
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: thirty four, so they cut that down to twenty two
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: following departures and layoffs. I have no idea what the
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: numbers look like, but that still sounds like a healthy
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: number to me.
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: Kratz.
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: So my thing that I was starting this off with
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: was I'm okay with the number getting sized up correctly.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: But like you said, I mean, hey, it's not just
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: one guy who's scouting someone and then you know, standing
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: up for him. But I'm like, damn, if that guy
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: had a pretty big say I'm nailing just just the
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: Roman Anthony selection alone, if he was like the number
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: one guy in the room, I'm like, I'm gonna keep
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: him on board. I'm gonna get a little surplus value
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: out of Roman Anthony. He's the top position player prospect
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: in the sport right now. So if he looks good
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: when he gets called up probably in May for the
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: Red Sox, like that guy should get a little extra credit.
• 21:01
  Speaker 5: Maybe I'm maybe I'm talking out of you know, ignorance
• 21:06
  Speaker 5: and not knowing exactly how it works, but I bet
• 21:09
  Speaker 5: there's three or four scouts that say they drafted with
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: the Red Sox that say they drafted Roman Anthony Marcelo Meyer,
• 21:16
  Speaker 5: because when I went through the draft process with the
• 21:19
  Speaker 5: Red Sox, there was a lot of dudes on the
• 21:22
  Speaker 5: zoom call explaining who they picked. Hey, this is who
• 21:26
  Speaker 5: we picked, this is why we picked them, this is
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: what we see. And that year there's only twenty rounds
• 21:31
  Speaker 5: and that was the year that Marcelo Meyer got picked,
• 21:34
  Speaker 5: and every dude was explained as this dude big league,
• 21:41
  Speaker 5: this big league that this.
• 21:42
  Speaker 9: You know.
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: It's like, we can't have all big league, you know,
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: in all twenty rounds of these guys. But there's a
• 21:48
  Speaker 5: lot of scouts in a room that do a lot
• 21:50
  Speaker 5: of work and they all feel like they have a
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: piece of it. And that's how it has to work,
• 21:55
  Speaker 5: because you can't just have one guy going out and
• 21:57
  Speaker 5: being like because going are the days what I was
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: talking about. Oh yeah, you know, I brought my radar
• 22:03
  Speaker 5: gun out with the battery is broken, so I took
• 22:06
  Speaker 5: my stopwatch and I clocked out fast. He was throwing
• 22:09
  Speaker 5: that right there, and that's a million dollar warm man.
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: You don't see that very all.
• 22:15
  Speaker 8: It's the Clint Eastwood of Trouble with the curve.
• 22:18
  Speaker 7: We need a Clint Eastwood on it in every organizations.
• 22:23
  Speaker 6: The old Scout, the Old Scout, other gigs of rats.
• 22:26
  Speaker 6: You know what, it says how he feels, and you
• 22:29
  Speaker 6: know what, take it or leave it. I still think
• 22:31
  Speaker 6: you need those guys in the game, and that's just
• 22:33
  Speaker 6: the you know, the feeling. Twenty two, Like you said,
• 22:36
  Speaker 6: I think that's a good number. But these guys are
• 22:39
  Speaker 6: going from If you're an East Coast guy, you're going
• 22:41
  Speaker 6: from Maine all way to like Virginia. You got the
• 22:43
  Speaker 6: path you're taking is absolutely incredible.
• 22:45
  Speaker 8: Ye signed up for it?
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: No, mom, Yeah, you're right.
• 22:48
  Speaker 6: I'm just saying it's a lot of tireless hours and it's.
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: A lot of driving, for sure.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: That's good. You had a clear question before we hit break.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: What was your question? You can ask it?
• 22:58
  Speaker 5: Oh no, I want to. I wanted to hit when
• 23:00
  Speaker 5: when we showed Todd single, there were the reds looks
• 23:04
  Speaker 5: like coach behind him. He's measuring and he had the
• 23:10
  Speaker 5: range finder out. If you guys want to know what
• 23:13
  Speaker 5: troll in depth. Yeah, you see him right there, Yeah,
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: right next to Todd's huge nose. He's got the range
• 23:22
  Speaker 5: finder out. And I'm not saying he's gonna do it.
• 23:25
  Speaker 5: But some teams will put a pin in the ground
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: and that is their central starting location for the center fielder,
• 23:34
  Speaker 5: and they pull out a little sheet of paper that
• 23:36
  Speaker 5: sits in their pocket in the game, and that's where
• 23:39
  Speaker 5: you see him on different counts. This guy's a minus
• 23:42
  Speaker 5: one plus two first first number means you're going minus one,
• 23:47
  Speaker 5: so you're gonna go to your left one step and
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: you're going to give him two more steps, so you're
• 23:52
  Speaker 5: going to back up two steps. And it's all from
• 23:55
  Speaker 5: that central location. So it's rare that people see that,
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: but you do that every park so that you're not like, ah,
• 24:02
  Speaker 5: you know what, I'm close to the fence here. This
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: looks good. That's how intricate they're working with the analytical stuff,
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: and guys shift and change with each pitch.
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: I didn't know about that.
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: I think Kratzy just let the cat out of the bag.
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, wait, this pin story has got something to do it.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: I really didn't know about that, did you.
• 24:25
  Speaker 8: Well, i'd heard. I don't know remember which team it was,
• 24:28
  Speaker 8: but it was a couple of years ago where they.
• 24:30
  Speaker 7: Were measuring out where they wanted their players to play
• 24:34
  Speaker 7: in the outfield.
• 24:35
  Speaker 8: And they were marking spots. But I didn't know if
• 24:37
  Speaker 8: that was legal or not.
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 24:39
  Speaker 8: But he didn't.
• 24:40
  Speaker 7: We didn't see him drop a pin, so he's not
• 24:41
  Speaker 7: going to be in trouble. Whatever that coach was doing,
• 24:43
  Speaker 7: maybe he was looking for a golf ball, I don't know.
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he was trying to see if he wanted to
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: use his fifty six or if he was going right
• 24:52
  Speaker 5: full sand wedge on that one.
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: I left the golfing here from home point and see
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: how far.
• 24:57
  Speaker 8: There is golf here later in the season.
• 25:00
  Speaker 7: Yeah, really, yeah, Yeah, they do it from up in
• 25:04
  Speaker 7: the rafters or whatever you call these things.
• 25:06
  Speaker 8: Yeah, you golf all onto the field. They put little
• 25:09
  Speaker 8: targets on.
• 25:10
  Speaker 5: The field because that's where Todd usually hits his golf shot.
• 25:17
  Speaker 6: If you look behind it, you see, like over those bleachers,
• 25:20
  Speaker 6: that's where I.
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: Used to live.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: Boys here, So Frazer grants here all week. All right,
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: let's point this out from Vet MGM yesterday that I
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: really thought was entertaining. So they said top ten hitters
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: in five years according to Jack Gipt and obviously just
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: caught fire.
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: They're like, we didn't do it, we just put it
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: in there. Just for fun. Ellie de la Cruz was one.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: So then someone sent a DM to the Foul Territory
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: Instagram and said, Scott put this listing Jackson Serio to
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: Junior Campinaro three wyat length five games with six, Iron
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: Judge seven, Dylan Cruise eight and they said they traded
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: him to Houston Roman Anthony nine and Jason Dimga is ten.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: So no Sodo no o tani no Bobby Wit junior.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: I thought it was hilarious but also interesting.
• 26:18
  Speaker 8: And trading somebody. They put a trade in there.
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: That was my favorite part. I saw that. I was
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: cracking up.
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: I'm like, they freaking traded Dylan to the Ash shows
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: in a five year span. Wow for camp Smith up there,
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: I don't know that missing.
• 26:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean Bobby WIT's the one and and Aaron
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: Judge is gonna be like he's gonna be like thirty
• 26:41
  Speaker 5: nine years old. Yeah, I need, I need Bobby Witt
• 26:44
  Speaker 5: on there.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: I agree. I agree for me. Sodo's got to be
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: on there. Todd's boy, He's he's still gonna.
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: Be thirty thirty one, thirty one.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, I'm I'm still gonna buy in Soto
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: being good. He might be a d h at that point,
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: but I'm buying into that.
• 27:05
  Speaker 8: So he's gonna break even more.
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: Exactly, yeah, exactly, they're missing a few.
• 27:10
  Speaker 6: But hey, listen, just like when you decide on who
• 27:13
  Speaker 6: you're gonna pick for the World Series, you never know
• 27:15
  Speaker 6: what's gonna happen in injury or something else you don't wish.
• 27:18
  Speaker 6: But yeah, this is a This is an interesting one,
• 27:21
  Speaker 6: to say the least.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: I just I thought it was bold, like the Balls
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: of chat ept to just get asked a question and
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: be like, oh, by the way, I'm going to make
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: a tree. I didn't ask you about that, right, this
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: is incredible?
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, right, I forget the time.
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: And if this happened.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: Yes, if Dylan Cruise is on the Astros in five years,
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: people are going to lose their yes.
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, all right.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: Anyway, if you thought there was someone else missing that
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: I'm missing, those were the three immediately that popped up
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: when I looked at it. But you know, someone said,
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: Tatis Junior'll be starting to get up there a little bit. Yeah, well,
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: let's hit more futures tomorrow. I'm gonna put the pressure
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: on everyone to pick a couple win loss over unders
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: that we like. But today most bet teams to miss
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: the playoffs on the bet MGM Futures list year Cleveland,
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: San Diego walking right. Obviously, this is showing you how
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: much you know, interest there is from people that are
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: looking at these values and saying, hey, I actually think
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: there's value here. We're not talking about the White Sox.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: They're probably I don't even want to know on the
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: board minus a ton right to miss the playoffs. If
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: they're even on the board. Most bet teams to make
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: the playoffs, Cincinnati's at plus two forty, Arizona's at plus
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: one fifteen, and Boston's at plus one fifty five.
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: They're not given since Andy Love. Remember we did it.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: About the minus one fus one fifteen. Sorry for Arizona.
• 28:42
  Speaker 6: Yeah, do you see remember in the division too, they're
• 28:44
  Speaker 6: not given since he Love either. So that now that's
• 28:47
  Speaker 6: a bet that you kind of trickle and and follow
• 28:49
  Speaker 6: for the whole year.
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: In my opinion, that one to make the playoffs and
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: maybe even to win the Division two as well.
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: I like it. That's where there's value. That's why they don't.
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: I don't rublus this year.
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: Let's go back.
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: You've been talking about it all off season.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: I mean that I got to look at what the
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: updated when lost total is. I'll check it out and
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: i'll probably hit that tomorrow. But it really hasn't moved
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: a ton. You know, they're not getting a lot of love.
• 29:16
  Speaker 5: They're not and I'm wondering why what I'm missing. We
• 29:19
  Speaker 5: kind of asked Patrick Muney yesterday, why what are we missing?
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: With the Cubs being the division winner? I love the
• 29:26
  Speaker 5: money right there with Cincinnati. I am not touching one
• 29:30
  Speaker 5: of those teams to miss the playoffs. If you picked
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: the Milwaukee Brewers to miss the playoffs for the last
• 29:37
  Speaker 5: seven years, you are absolutely in the doghouse. So to me,
• 29:41
  Speaker 5: the only numbers I'm touching. I love Arizona making the
• 29:43
  Speaker 5: playoffs there, and I love the Sinci pick, especially at
• 29:47
  Speaker 5: plus two forty.
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: Hey, you know how it works because we text all
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: season when we're picking our games, and sometimes I'll go
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: to Pratzydak, what am I missing on this game? And
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: then it's like nothing, they won nine to two. You
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: get crushed. So it is what it is.
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: But hey, we'll go over more picks tomorrow.
• 30:05
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• 30:08
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