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Crystal Hefner Reveals She Has Nothing Good to Say About Playboy In Her New Memoir · Miss Understood with Rachel Uchitel

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  Speaker 1: to Misunderstood. I'm Rachel Yucatel. You guys are going to
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  Speaker 1: love today's episode. Hugh Hefner built one of the most
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  Speaker 1: iconic brands when he created Playboy. The bunny logo itself
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  Speaker 1: is probably one of the most recognizable images in the
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  Speaker 1: world and the mansion with its infamous grotto, a landmark
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  Speaker 1: amongst landmarks in Hollywood. Today's guest, Crystal Hefner, had a
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  Speaker 1: front row seat to it all. This former playmate and
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  Speaker 1: girl next door was married to Hef, who was 60
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  Speaker 1: years her senior from 2012 until his death in 2017.
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  Speaker 1: Crystal's memoir, Only Say Good Things, Surviving Playboy, and Finding
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  Speaker 1: Myself was just released today, and for the first time,
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  Speaker 1: she feels free to speak her truth. Crystal's life changed
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  Speaker 1: in the blink of an eye from the moment she
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  Speaker 1: met Hef at the Playboy Mansion Halloween party when she
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  Speaker 1: was 21. If you've seen the Playboy Secrets documentary series
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  Speaker 1: on A & E, you know that there were lots
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  Speaker 1: of scandals and controversies that happened behind those walls. Most
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  Speaker 1: of them were kept hidden until recently. By the time
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  Speaker 1: Crystal landed at Playboy, she had already lost her dad
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  Speaker 1: to an illness and her first love to war. She
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  Speaker 1: was a young girl in search of love and a home. Unfortunately,
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  Speaker 1: that's not what she found there. She struggled with mental illness,
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  Speaker 1: feeling trapped and under constant pressure to remain the number
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  Speaker 1: one girl where the life she had built could be
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  Speaker 1: taken away instantly. Crystal has a unique story about a
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  Speaker 1: very unique relationship. Now on the other side of it,
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  Speaker 1: she talks about finding value in who she is, not
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  Speaker 1: what she looks like. So we were thrilled to have
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  Speaker 1: this very open conversation with Crystal Hefner. Chris, well, thank
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  Speaker 1: you so much for joining me today on Misunderstood. I'm
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  Speaker 1: so excited to have you here.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you for having me.
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  Speaker 1: Of course. So your book comes out today, January 23rd.
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  Speaker 1: I was lucky enough to get a copy just a
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  Speaker 1: little bit in advance. And as I was mentioning to
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  Speaker 1: you earlier, I could not put it down. It's so good.
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  Speaker 1: It's so relatable. You've lived such a colorful, extraordinary life,
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  Speaker 1: but there's so much about your childhood and your upbringing
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  Speaker 1: and kind of why you did the things you did
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  Speaker 1: or the choices that you made was really explained in
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  Speaker 1: this book. And I think that that is the most
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  Speaker 1: relatable thing about you because when people see your photo
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  Speaker 1: or hear your name or hear your association with Playboy,
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  Speaker 1: they just think one thing usually until they get to
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  Speaker 1: the human behind that headline. And you are so... different
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  Speaker 1: than I think what has been represented about you for
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  Speaker 1: so long. And that's why I thought it was so
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  Speaker 1: important to have you on the show.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you. Yeah, I'm very happy to be on with you.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you. So I wanted to start with your childhood.
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  Speaker 1: You have, you know, an amazing loving family that you
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  Speaker 1: grew up with. Can you share a little bit about
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  Speaker 1: where you came from, your siblings, your parents and your
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  Speaker 1: relationship with them?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so my whole family's from England. we moved to
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  Speaker 2: California when I was young. It was my mom, my dad,
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  Speaker 2: and my two older sisters. And they really loved California.
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  Speaker 2: My dad was a singer, but he ended up getting
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  Speaker 2: sick when he was, I think 48, he ended up passing. Sorry.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, thanks.
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  Speaker 2: And Yeah. So they were from England. My mom had nothing.
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  Speaker 2: She had no green card. And so she pretty much
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  Speaker 2: struggled to make ends meet. Um, it got to the
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  Speaker 2: point where we were just, we were just renting a
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  Speaker 2: bedroom in some other family's home. So I, I know
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  Speaker 2: what it feels like to have nothing.
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  Speaker 1: Um, And I think something that resonated in your story
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  Speaker 1: from that moment is that he was a real, you know,
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  Speaker 1: you loved him so much. He was a real hero
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  Speaker 1: of yours. You looked up to him and he kind
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  Speaker 1: of was that glue that held your family together. And
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  Speaker 1: when he died, it seemed like your mom decided to
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  Speaker 1: try to date a lot to find a new life almost,
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  Speaker 1: you know, to, to, I don't know whether it's to
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  Speaker 1: fix herself, but to find a better life or to
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  Speaker 1: get an out from being in this home that may
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  Speaker 1: have been somewhat depressing at the time. And, you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's very interesting how you talk about kind of that
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  Speaker 1: moment on because it really seems like your guy's life changed,
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  Speaker 1: you know, you you ended up going down a different
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  Speaker 1: road a bunch of times throughout your life. But that
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  Speaker 1: was to me what it seemed like the first one.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. And I just felt, you know, I talk
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  Speaker 2: about in the book how I didn't really feel like
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  Speaker 2: a family anymore. Just like the leftover scraps of one.
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  Speaker 2: We were very lost. My mom was always sad. And,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I would be the one trying to cheer
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  Speaker 2: her up and like snap out of it. You know,
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  Speaker 2: come on. And I think I had to grow up quick.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Having to take care of her. And yeah, yeah, it
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  Speaker 2: was hard. But finally she remarried. Mm-hmm. And, but it
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  Speaker 2: was to somebody that was kind of awful.
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  Speaker 1: Right. So you mentioned in your book that this stepfather
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  Speaker 1: was sort of the one that introduced you to Playboy,
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  Speaker 1: at least on his shelves. That's where you first saw it.
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  Speaker 1: And to you, you thought these women were real women
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  Speaker 1: with real power, the height of culture and refinement. I
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  Speaker 1: found that interesting in your book, that that's kind of
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  Speaker 1: what you aspired to from looking at what he had
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  Speaker 1: high up on his shelves.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. To me... Um, that guy, Lyle, my mom,
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  Speaker 2: my mom's husband to me, I'm like, wow, this guy,
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  Speaker 2: you know, he had a condo and a Mercedes owned
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  Speaker 2: a condo and had a Mercedes. I'm like, wow, he's,
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  Speaker 2: he's rich. Like I thought he was just so, um,
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  Speaker 2: like almost like better than us for some reason, if
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  Speaker 2: you have no money, everyone's like better, better than you. Um,
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  Speaker 2: And in his office, he had all of these Playboy
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  Speaker 2: magazines that were in like magazine holders, and they're all
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  Speaker 2: displayed on the shelves. And I didn't think of it
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  Speaker 2: at the time, like, oh, this guy is just a pervert, basically.
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  Speaker 2: But what I did was I took down the magazines,
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  Speaker 2: and I saw these women, and I just thought, wow,
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  Speaker 2: you know, they were in these powerful poses and these
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  Speaker 2: exotic places, which I come to find out it's just settings,
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  Speaker 2: like a set inside the same studio. I just switched
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  Speaker 2: the sets. They could be anywhere inside that studio. But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I thought these women were powerful and had the world
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  Speaker 2: at their feet and people respected them. And I'm like, wow,
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  Speaker 2: I want to be just like these women in the pages.
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  Speaker 1: Right. And you talk a lot in your book, in
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  Speaker 1: your childhood and throughout your life, feeling a sense of
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  Speaker 1: not being worthy or not being good enough, not being
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  Speaker 1: pretty enough, sort of living a life behind a rope
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  Speaker 1: and everyone else was getting to live this life that
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  Speaker 1: you wanted to live. And I found that to be sad,
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  Speaker 1: but also super relatable. I mean, I think so many
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  Speaker 1: feel like that. Can you share a little bit about that?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. When my mom married Lyle, he was in
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  Speaker 2: the La Jolla school district and that's, you know, really
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  Speaker 2: nice neighborhood in San Diego. Um, so I was very
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  Speaker 2: fortunate to be able to go to a really good school.
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  Speaker 2: I went to La Jolla high school and, you know,
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  Speaker 2: middle school there as well, but quickly learned that, you know,
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  Speaker 2: a lot of those kids and their families had so
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  Speaker 2: much money and with money comes power and power over
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  Speaker 2: other people. Um, so I, I did feel small and
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  Speaker 2: I did feel like I didn't really belong or that
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  Speaker 2: I wasn't important as, as these other people for sure.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: So I love how you talk about your sort of
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  Speaker 1: first boyfriend, Liam, and how he didn't speak very much
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  Speaker 1: and it was sort of short lived. And he ended
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  Speaker 1: up basically the most he spoke to you was when
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  Speaker 1: he had to tell you he was breaking up with
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  Speaker 1: you because he cheated on you with the girl from
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  Speaker 1: church or something.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. The first, the.
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  Speaker 1: First made me laugh.
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  Speaker 2: I know the first boy, like you think you love, right?
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  Speaker 2: You're just, wow, this is love. And I feel like
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  Speaker 2: that situation shattered my trust and gave me trust issues
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  Speaker 2: for the rest of my life. Right. The first significant relationship.
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  Speaker 2: But looking back, I, I laugh about it, but to
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  Speaker 2: be cheated on young is hard.
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  Speaker 4: Right?
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  Speaker 5: No, of course.
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  Speaker 1: And all those first loves, I think we remember, I
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  Speaker 1: remember mine to this day. So It's something that sits
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  Speaker 1: with you and can be emotional when you think about it.
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  Speaker 1: You talk a lot about meeting Greg and how that
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  Speaker 1: really changed your life. And we tell everybody a little
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  Speaker 1: bit about Greg.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. So Greg, we went to high school together. He
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  Speaker 2: was a grade older than me. And we just, we
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  Speaker 2: became best friends, completely inseparable. And Yeah, I loved him
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  Speaker 2: so much. He was just a dream come true. And
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  Speaker 2: I think after losing my dad and going through hard
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  Speaker 2: times and meeting Greg, he felt like a breath of
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  Speaker 2: fresh air and somewhere I could feel safe again. Right.
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  Speaker 1: You share in the book how you got pregnant when
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  Speaker 1: you were 17 years old with Greg and you guys
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  Speaker 1: ended up deciding you guys were too young, couldn't have
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  Speaker 1: the child. But then that became sort of a complication
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  Speaker 1: in your relationship and you end up, you broke up
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  Speaker 1: with him and he goes off to the military. I
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  Speaker 1: bring all this up because I think it's so poignant that,
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  Speaker 1: you know, you have Different men in your life. And
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  Speaker 1: he unfortunately dies when he's away. And I wanted to
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  Speaker 1: share with you that I thought this was so powerful
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  Speaker 1: because it was so evident in reading your book that,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the man who's supposed to love you.
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  Speaker 4: The car is beautiful. Where did you end up going
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  Speaker 4: for it?
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  Speaker 3: This exclusive place that Dad has connections with. They have
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  Speaker 3: more cars for more dealerships than like anywhere else.
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  Speaker 4: You have to put me in touch. What's it called?
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  Speaker 5: It's Dune ADL.
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  Speaker 2: Where?
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  Speaker 3: Dunediel.
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  Speaker 5: There's an accent on the E.
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  Speaker 4: Do you mean.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, I got it on Dunediel Cars.
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  Speaker 3: Lift, please.
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  Speaker 4: You going past Kimmage?
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  Speaker 5: Oh, Kimmage.
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 5: Dunediel Cars.
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  Speaker 6: You couldn't possibly go anywhere else.
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  Speaker 1: Unconditionally teach you about unconditional love. Your father dies when
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  Speaker 1: you're so young. And then this first guy that you
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  Speaker 1: really fall in love with that you feel you trust
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  Speaker 1: and love, um, is killed. And I, um, that resonates
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  Speaker 1: with me when I was 15, my father was 44,
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  Speaker 1: he died. And, um, then I was engaged to somebody
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  Speaker 1: who was killed. So at the time that I was 26,
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  Speaker 1: I lost the two most important men in my life
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  Speaker 1: and I lost myself and I didn't think I had
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  Speaker 1: anything to lose. So those words that you wrote in
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  Speaker 1: the book were so powerful because I know that feeling
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  Speaker 1: because you're just like, I don't have a good track
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  Speaker 1: record for men staying and I don't know what love is.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that that is such a huge part
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  Speaker 1: of your story and, and many people's stories, whether or
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  Speaker 1: not they realize it or not.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So, um, You go and your life now moves on
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  Speaker 1: to wanting to be something that other people have. And
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  Speaker 1: you talk about getting your boobs done and you talk
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  Speaker 1: about kind of changing your appearance and wanting to be
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  Speaker 1: part of this sort of more glamorous life. Can you just...
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  Speaker 1: I know we get into it a lot in the book,
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  Speaker 1: but just tell everybody who hasn't really followed your story,
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  Speaker 1: how you got, you know, even invited to a party
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  Speaker 1: there and how you kind of came to be one
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  Speaker 1: of the women that Hugh Hefner invited to live at
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  Speaker 1: the mansion.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I was in college studying psychology at San Diego State.
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  Speaker 2: And on the side, I would do little modeling gigs,
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  Speaker 2: you know, like the promo girl type stuff, handing out
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  Speaker 2: key chains and, you know, working at... moto cross is
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  Speaker 2: like a monster energy girl just random things like that
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  Speaker 2: and one of the girls I met along the way
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  Speaker 2: she said um or she asked me if I wanted
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  Speaker 2: to submit my photos to go to a party at
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  Speaker 2: the playboy mansion and I thought oh my gosh like
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  Speaker 2: they'll never pick me but I'll submit my photos um
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  Speaker 2: and so I did and I got I got accepted
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  Speaker 2: into this party and off I went with her she
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  Speaker 2: got accepted as well.
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  Speaker 1: And what did you think the first time you saw you?
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: I had never seen a celebrity before in my life.
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  Speaker 1: Right. But quickly, you saw that things were not as
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  Speaker 2: At first I was intrigued and it was like Charlie
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well, something that you wrote in the book, you said
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  Speaker 1: a loner and security was outsourced. Workers with bunny pins.
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  Speaker 1: I found that like so interesting.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, isn't that weird?
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so smoke and mirrors and I don't think.
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  Speaker 1: people realize that. It's funny, you know, I ran Tao.
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• 20:36
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• 20:39
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• 20:43
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• 20:50
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• 21:04
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• 21:15
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  Speaker 2: No, I don't think so. I think Hef, left the
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  Speaker 2: I'm not sure why he picked me. I still reflect
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  Speaker 2: but he did hand me a ring on Christmas. It
• 25:01
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• 25:03
  Speaker 2: said to me was, I hope it fits. It wasn't,
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: will you marry me? Maybe he was afraid I'd say no,
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  Speaker 2: but he just handed me this box with the ring inside.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: Well, did you know what it meant or did you,
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: I mean, were you like, what is it?
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. I figured like, okay, he wants to get married.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: And if, if I say no, then I'm not prepared
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: to leave. So I guess we're doing this and maybe
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: it's because he wanted a good PR story for the
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: later years of his life. not entirely sure, but he wanted.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: To that point. Did you feel like your relationship with
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: him was, you know, more than any other woman he
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: had there?
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  Speaker 2: I think he, he loved me the best way he
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: knew how I think he tried very hard with me.
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: I think, um, to the, to the best that he could,
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: but I, I think it's hard because it was hard
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: for him to really care about anybody else's thoughts or feelings.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: Right. Right. Um, what are your thoughts about the women
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: that came before you that were so public? Um, you know,
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: do you think they were jealous that it was you
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: that he finally picked? Do you think they were relieved?
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: Like what, what, what do you think the thoughts were
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: of everybody?
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: Um, there was a bit of a feud. I think people,
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: you know, it's petty little things. Then the women are
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: pitted against each other. Like, Oh, he's going to make
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: this woman a playmate, but not this one. And it just,
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: it pits them against each other. I know Holly wanted
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: to marry him. I'm not sure why. I think now
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: she's not even sure why. But yeah, I have no
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: problem with the girls before. And I hope we can
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: all be friends at some point. I don't know. I
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: think there's still issue with Holly and Bridget, but Kendra
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: and I talk. We shared such a unique experience that
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: I think it'd be important to all chat.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. I mean, no one else knows what
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: it was like to go through that besides the people
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: that did go through that. So I do think it's
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: important to have that relationship. What happened to your relationship
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: with the Shannon twins?
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: I spoke to them recently. I'm hoping to get together
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: for lunch with them. But, you know, we hated each
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: other when we were all there. We were mean to
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: each other because you're all just vying to be closer
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: to Hef or have a spot or it's sad. Right.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: So you talk in your book and I don't want
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: to give too much away to people, but you talk
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: in your book about how you became a runaway bride
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: about five days before your wedding was supposed to happen.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: Can you share a little bit about what led up
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: to that? I know a couple of times before you
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: had been tempted to leave, you had been stopped and
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: you kind of planned this exit, right?
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. I planned it. After we got engaged, Hef uh,
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: was planning a show with Lifetime. It was a two
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: hour special called Marrying Hef. And I overheard him and
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: the producer talking about how they were going to make $ 800, 000
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: for this two hour special. Um, and Hef came into
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: the Vandy, my little area in his room and gave
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: me some paperwork that had a talent fee of $ 2, 500.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: And I told him, you know, $ 2, 500, I know you're
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: making $ 800, 000 on this. Like even just 10,000 or something,
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: I'm going to have to carry this thing And, uh,
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: he did it. He asked me, what are you in
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: this for? And I got all this PTSD from all
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: the crazy interviews where people are like, you're a gold
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: digger and all this stuff. So if now Hef's asking me,
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: what am I in this for? Um, so I ran
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: out security. I, there was an issue where I couldn't leave.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: And so I thought I need to do this smarter. Um,
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: so I slowly moved my stuff out and I left
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: during a movie night. I said I needed to pick
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: up tampons and The security just let me out. Right.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: And you didn't come back. You didn't call. You didn't
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: say where you were going. You escaped. I didn't.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: And he called, he called me over and over and
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: over and over voicemail after voicemail called my mom. Yeah.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: And I just left for a year or two. Right.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: Now I think a lot of people, again, if they
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: hadn't read your book, they wouldn't know this. I know,
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: but you had sort of started a friendship with Dr.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: Phil's son, Jordan, earlier than this, you guys were working
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: on some music together, right?
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: We were working on some music and.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: Now I'm just curious about that for a second. So,
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: I mean, having all this stuff for most people, you
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: realize when you do have things and you haven't had
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: things in the past, that's really exciting. And that'll last
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: you for a while, but then you kind of want more.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: So did you want, did you want to have some
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: sort of credibility on your own, make some money on
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: your own? Is that why you were doing some music stuff?
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: You know, cause you, you had studied at one point
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: to be a psychologist. Like you, you obviously came from
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: having aspirations and wanting to do more than just be
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: someone that was seen on someone's arm. That was powerful.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And I, I think with the music stuff, I
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: was just kind of bored and trying to have some hobbies.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: And that's how it started. But later on, I did
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: start working. The social media started coming out, Instagram, and
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: I would post and make money with that. And I
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: got into cryptocurrency and real estate, but that came a
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: little bit later. Right.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: So- You felt comfortable enough with Jordan and his father, Dr. Phil,
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: to listen to their guidance and decide to run away.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: But can you talk a little bit about how they
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: were so powerful in your life and gave you enough
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: confidence to leave?
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So I was feeling trapped and I told Jordan
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: about it. I didn't know who I could trust. And
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: Jordan said, oh, you need to come up and talk
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: to my dad. And so I thought, okay, Dr. Phil,
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: like he helps people on TV. That's great. So I
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: go up to his house, top of Mulholland and he
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: sits me down and he's like, you're a 25 year
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: old woman. You're in the Dr. Phil voice and nobody
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: should trap you and you should be able to live
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: your life. And with my newfound confidence, I go back
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: to the mansion. I slowly move everything out. I finally leave.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: And Jordan's like, oh, just come live with me. And
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, this guy has like a crush on me.
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: And so we ended up being in a relationship. I
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: kind of warmed up to the idea of him and
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: we were in a relationship. He was in a band
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: and we went to the Viper room. He was auditioning
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: some singers and Dr. Phil shows up and he goes, oh,
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: this is awesome. You know, Crystal's here and it looks
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: like my son bagged himself a playmate. And I'm just like,
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: oh my gosh, I fell into the same trap again.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: Like his... He's convincing me to leave the mansion because
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: his son wants to like date me or something. And
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: I fell victim to the same stupid trap again. Right, right.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, how does that make you feel that Dr. Phil,
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: who's someone, you know, that people go to for advice
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: and they trust him, you know, was kind of the
• 32:13
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• 32:16
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• 32:19
  Speaker 1: look and, you know, the status as playmate as opposed
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: to who you are.
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: It was awful because you think of Dr. Phil in
• 32:29
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• 32:35
  Speaker 2: I learned quickly. I'm like, okay, Jordan has like his
• 32:38
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• 32:42
  Speaker 2: Doesn't he have episodes about don't enable your children? And
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: here he is doing it. So it all fell apart quickly.
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: And I, you know, I understood it was the wrong,
• 32:51
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• 32:54
  Speaker 2: seem anywhere. Yeah.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: So is that what.
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: The car is beautiful. Where did you end up going
• 33:01
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• 33:01
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• 33:04
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• 33:07
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• 33:09
  Speaker 5: It's Dune-A-D-L.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: Where?
• 33:13
  Speaker 5: Dune-A-D-L. There's an accent on the E.
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: Do you mean.
• 33:18
  Speaker 5: Yes, I got it on Dune-A-D-L cars.
• 33:19
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  Speaker 5: Please.
• 33:20
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• 33:22
  Speaker 5: Oh, Kimmage.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: No.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 6: Done deal cars. You couldn't possibly go anywhere else.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: Kind of sent you back into the mansion, into the
• 33:31
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• 33:33
  Speaker 2: Well, that relationship had failed. I had opened a lingerie
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: store with a friend. And I'm like, I'm not even
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: into this. Why do I have this store? That failed.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: And Hef's secretary, Mary, reached out to me and said,
• 33:46
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• 33:50
  Speaker 2: been really sad. And I was reflecting on that. So
• 33:55
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• 33:58
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• 34:01
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• 34:03
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• 34:09
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• 34:12
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• 34:14
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• 34:17
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• 34:21
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• 34:24
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• 34:27
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• 34:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And I feel like he gave me my value.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: It's disturbing looking back, but you know, if you don't
• 34:35
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• 34:40
  Speaker 2: you that, that value.
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: Or that, you know, credibility.
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah. He just, he just, um, I don't know. It's
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: like made, made me into who he wanted me to be. And,
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: but when someone does that, they can also take it
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: away from you. So, um, it's hard. Right.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: So you go back to the mansion and you get
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: married that same year at the end of the year
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: in December, correct? Yes.
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: And were you okay on your wedding day? I mean,
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: were you happy about it? Did you feel invested or
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: was it something you were dreading?
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: Well, the wedding got narrowed down. I think the first
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: wedding was going to have like 300 people. We were
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: getting RSVPs from like Paris Hilton and Gene Simmons who
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: are great people, but like, this is too much. This
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: is a lot for an introvert, especially. So there was
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: about 10 or 15 people at the wedding when it
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: actually happened a year later. It was easy. And from there,
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: we just went out to like the New Year's Eve
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: party in the backyard. Right.
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: So how was life as a, as a married woman?
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: It got easier. It got easier when we were married.
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: I think, you know, he was getting older. He was
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: more dependent on me. He would let people know if
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: there's a request from Crystal, take it as a request
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: from me. He would, instead of like oogling over scantily
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: dressed women, like he would tell them like, Oh, have
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: you met my wife? And it just, it made me
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: feel more confident. Um, and eventually I stopped bleaching my
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: hair and I took my implants out and he respected
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: me more. He ended up respecting me more. Right.
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: Your relationship changed into something of real love. It might
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: not have been in love, but of where he really
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: cared about you. And you felt that one of the
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: lines you say, I'm not going to get it right,
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: but something about how at the beginning you really needed half.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: And at the end, he really needed you. And I
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: thought that was a really powerful way to look at
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: your story.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's very true. Yeah. I think, I think he
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: really did need me and I think he definitely respected
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: me more toward the end. Maybe he saw me less
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: of an object and more as a human.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I recently had somebody on talking about BII, which
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: is breast implant illness. And is that something, I mean,
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: it's actually not diagnosable to be honest, but it's, you know,
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: the symptoms are what allows people to know that that's
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: what they have. You talk openly about getting sick from
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: your implants, right?
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: Yes. Yeah. I got my implants out in 2016 and
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: I publicly started talking about it openly. A lot of
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: people have messaged me and also got their implants out.
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: I was very, very sick and the, you know, everything fibromyalgia,
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: all kinds of stuff like clicking and popping in my
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: joints and brain fog and my adrenals tank, my thyroid,
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: just they, they were killing me. I think for, For
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: different people, they can handle them better, but my implants
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: were killing me.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: Well, it's such an interesting and scary thing that happens
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: because it's almost like an invisible disease. You look okay,
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: but you feel awful. And when you try and explain
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: it to people, they're like, oh, it's fibromyalgia. Oh, it's depression.
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: Because a lot of the symptoms fall under all sorts
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: of categories, right? So when you finally narrow it down, like,
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: did you have a leak? Did they finally find that
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: you had a leak? No, I was just rejecting it.
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: My body was just rejecting it. I had saline implants.
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: So it was basically saltwater, but the shallow silicone, um,
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: you know, just, just crazy. Like you, we get implants to,
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: to feel sexy, to be sexier, but my like sex
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: drive was completely killed. You know, there's nothing, I didn't
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: feel sexy at all. My hair was falling out. Um, yeah. So, just,
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: it was just the saline. They hadn't ruptured, but I
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: felt so much better once I got them out. And
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: after researching and talking to thousands of women, I, there
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: are a few things I've noticed, like there are different
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: brands of implants. I've noticed more people are sick with, uh,
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: Allergan than they are the mentor brand and just, just
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: little things like that. Um, it just depends on the
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: person and their immune system, I think.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So I'm curious for someone whose life was so
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: dependent on how you look and about how people perceive you,
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: how hard was that to say, okay, I'm going to
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: take my breasts out. And then, you know, what are
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: you left with after like, were you, did, I mean,
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: how did you deal with that?
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: Um, I think at that point in my life, I
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: was so sick of the misogyny I'm just like, I'm
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: taking this out. I don't care. The only reason I
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: got implants was for the opposite sex or to be
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: more desirable or to be more whatever is expected or
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: whatever of me. I didn't care really. To this day,
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: I'm just... it's hard to this day. I'm like, I
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: only want to date people that are just like me
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: for what's in mostly internal. And, um, it shouldn't matter
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: to them if I have scars or whatever.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: Right. Well, yeah. And the people that have gone through
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: it believe that their scars mean something. Yeah, absolutely.
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: And there, there's still people I've talked to that are
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: there tell me I'm, I'm really sick, but my, My
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: boyfriend or my husband doesn't want me to take them out.
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: And it makes me so angry. I know. It's terrible.
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: It's terrible. But it is very hard, as you know,
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: to get to that place where you are finally okay
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: with yourself. And you're finally okay with saying, I'd rather
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: be alone than be with the wrong type of person
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: that wants me for something that I'm not anyway. It's
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: too hard to keep up with that.
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: But it is hard.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: It's really difficult for people to get to that place
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: in their lives. Okay, so both you and Hef were
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: getting sick at that point. And Hef dies. What was
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: that like when he finally died? Oof.
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: Um, it happened fast. I went on a trip. I
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: finally was standing my ground because he would, he didn't
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: let me go anywhere. Um, but finally I'm like, I'm
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: going on a trip. So I went away for a week.
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: When I came back, I was told that he didn't
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: want to go, want to go down to movie night
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: that he's, which is for half not going to movie night.
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: It's like unheard of. So I, I'm like, are you okay?
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: And he just seemed very indifferent. And his secretary said,
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: mentioned that she had Googled that if somebody's older and
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: they get like a urinary tract infections, the symptoms are different.
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: Like they're more withdrawn and confused. So I'm like, let's
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: test him and see if he has a UTI. And
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: we did. And it turned out it was a highly
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: resistant E. coli strain. I think it was sensitive to
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: one antibiotic. And so we found the antibiotic. We immediately
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: turned his bedroom into like an ER. And... And the
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: antibiotic didn't work fast enough. And he just got more
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: sick and more sick and eventually went into sepsis. And
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: at that point, I'm like, do I take him to
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: the hospital? Do we keep him here? He never wanted
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: to go to a hospital. He wouldn't even have white
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: sheets on his bed because it reminded him of a hospital.
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: He told me he wants to die in his bed.
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: So I'm reading his advanced healthcare directive, which I'm like,
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: oh my gosh, how am I the one listed on
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: this as making his end of life decisions. And I'm
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: in the other room because I didn't want him to
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: hear any of this trying to decide. And, um, the
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: attorney came in and his assistant and, um, his doctor
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: had said, if he stays at the house, he's going
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: to die. But if he goes to the hospital, it's
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: only like a 30% chance of living. And I'm trying
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: to make this decision because on the healthcare directive, it says,
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: if my life could be saved, take me to the hospital.
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: which it was bacteria. So technically it could be, but
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: if I had something terminal, I don't want to go.
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: And so I'm just crying, trying to like, what do
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: we do? We're trying to save him. And right at
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: that moment, a nurse came in from his room and said,
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: you know, he's gone. He made the decision for us. Right.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: He was 91. So he did live a long life.
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: He lived a long life. Did you get to say
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: all the things to him that you had wanted to say?
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I did. I did. And toward the end, you know,
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: he was, I feel like he did maybe change a
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: bit or hopefully I'd like to think he learned some lessons. Yeah,
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: I remember him just really not well. And toward the end,
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: I just asked him, I'm like, are you okay? You know,
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: are you doing okay? And he said, I'm okay. And
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: that was the last thing he ever said.
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: So, do you think he had any idea of what
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: was to come? That, you know.
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: The car is beautiful. Where did you end up going
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: for it?
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: This exclusive place that Dad has connections with. They have
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: more cars for more dealerships than, like, anywhere else.
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: You have to put me in touch. What's it called?
• 44:00
  Speaker 5: It's Dune ADL.
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: Where?
• 44:04
  Speaker 5: Dune ADL. There's an accent on the E.
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: Do you mean.
• 44:09
  Speaker 5: Yes, I got it on Dune Deal cars.
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: Lift? Please.
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: Please.
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: You're going past Kimmage. Oh, Kimmage.
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: No.
• 44:16
  Speaker 5: Don't deal cars.
• 44:17
  Speaker 6: You couldn't possibly go anywhere else.
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: Women would come out and it would be such a
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: turn of events after the fact. And obviously Me Too
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: happened later, so he didn't even get to know what
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: that was about. But do you think he, you know,
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: had any inkling that his reputation could change after he died?
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: Absolutely not. So I think he kept... he like meticulously
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: kept these 3000 books of scrapbooks. He documented his life
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: from the very beginning up until the very end. And
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: he even told the people in the, he had a
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: scrapbook department, like put my obituaries in the end, like
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: all of the stuff. And I truly think that and
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: believe that he kept such great record because he had,
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: he thought that people would be studying him and fascinated
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: by him and, in love with him for many, many,
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: many years.
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: Decades, yeah.
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: So a man had bought the mansion before Hef's death
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: and had said you guys could live there throughout his life.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: And then soon after you guys had to leave, where
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: did all the mementos go? Where did everything go?
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: They all went to storage to... Iron Mountain, which is
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: the Iron Mountain for sure. So all the scrapbooks are
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: there and memorabilia. And he did want his stuff to
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: go to his fans. And so we did have a
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: big auction after he died with Julian's Auctions and raised
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: $ 4 million for his foundation and sold a lot of
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: his stuff that his fans might want, like his pajamas,
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: smoking jackets, slippers, pipe. Right.
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: So were you nervous about how your life was going
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: to change now that you had to move out of
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: a house now that your husband was no longer alive?
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: You know, like you said, kind of giving you credibility,
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: making you feel important, even though I think it's obvious
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: you had learned some lessons and learned how to stand
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: on your own two feet since you were younger.
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: After he died, I couldn't leave the house for like
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: six weeks. I just stayed in one of the other
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: bedrooms and couldn't leave. I remember his children all went
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: to Katsuya and they had pictures taken of them. I'm like,
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: oh my gosh, I can't even leave the house. I
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: felt guilt. I felt all kinds of emotions, like feeling
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: how could we have saved him, like all kinds of emotions.
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: But after I finally left in December 2017, I just
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: went traveling. The one thing I couldn't do while I
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: was there, I'm like, I'm just going to go. And
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: I went to Africa and all over for a month
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: and And now I finally, finally found a house that
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: I'm at now that I, it feels like my home,
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: the first home, true home I've ever had. That's all mine.
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: And yeah, I'm just discovering what I like, which is
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: weird to say, but I started with a matchmaking service
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: and they asked me, they're like, Oh, what do you like? Like,
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: what are your hobbies? And I froze. I'm like, I
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: don't even know what I like. What do I like?
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: And so I'm like, okay, I got to put that,
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: put a pin on that and discover what I actually like. Yeah. Yeah.
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: Did you have any friends at that point? I mean,
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: it must be so hard because you're so isolated. You
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: have all these people around you all the time, but
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: I know that feeling. You have a lot of people
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: around you, but you still feel so alone. Like, so
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: when he died and you're talking about going on this trip,
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: did you have people to go on a trip with?
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: Did you have people you could confide in?
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I had a couple of childhood friends and throughout
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: the years of the mansion, the 10 years I was there,
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: I met thousands and thousands of women and I'm friends
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: with only three of them. So it was hard and
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: very cutthroat, but yeah, I had two good friends that
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: went traveling with me and it was nice.
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Did you take any mementos from the mansions?
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: Uh, I'm trying to think of what I have, like
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: not too many things. Uh, if anything, like I wanted
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: to get rid of most everything. Like I, all the
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: outfits for the parties and all the things I wore
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: and like, I, I hated playing dress up and doing
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: all that stuff. So I, all that stuff's gone. Like, okay.
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: I don't want to wear heels anymore. Right.
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: But knowing you were moving out of the house, I
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: just wonder if you like I don't know, it took
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: a doorknob that meant something to me. I don't even know,
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: but like something that was like, I have to hold on.
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: I think the whole place gives me like PTSD. So
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: I think I didn't want to remember anything from there. Right.
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: I do have like a couple of guitars in here.
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: One was my dad's and there were a couple from
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: the mansion that have signed when I was learning how
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: to play. But I have a couple paintings like a
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: Maryland painting that I liked, but that's kind of it.
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So talk about how you got the name for
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: the book.
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: Oh, goodness. When Hef was getting older, he put me
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: on the board of his foundation and he was reminded
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: me that when he's gone, he wants me to only
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: say good things about him. And I promised him, I said,
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: I will only say good things about you always. And
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: I kept that promise for, for five years. Um, but
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: I feel that the promise was eating me internally. And
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: so I, I figured I need to, I need to
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: tell the truth, you know, have controlled the narrative for,
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: for 70 years and, There needs to be other voices
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: coming out from the place and other people's perspectives. And
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: we had fans following us for so long. And like,
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: I owe it to them. I owe it to these
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: girls that are writing us when they're 14 years old,
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: some as young as 11, saying, you know, I just
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: got a new Playboy bedspread. Like, what does it take
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: to get into the mansion? It's like these girls need
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: to know that it wasn't that great.
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: Right. Right. What was the process for you of writing
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: this book?
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: I think I just, through therapy, I just started pages
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: and pages and pages of notes. And then those notes
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: turned into stories that I felt were worthwhile for the book.
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: And then this, the book turned into, you know, the
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: order of the stories and kind of just went into this, comprehensive,
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: easy to digest type of stories that the people could
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: hopefully understand. Yeah.
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: And you said that it was frustrating that Hef had
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: the narrative this whole time. For people that want to
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: read your book and you get to absolutely hear your
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: own narrative in this book, what would you succinctly say
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: is your narrative?
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: I think that the mansion was a place... For me,
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: it was traumatic. Playboy is meant to be or showed
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: themselves as somewhere that's like sexual freedom and expression and
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: just everything that's meant to be free. And I felt
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: anything but that. I felt completely trapped. And I just
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: think the story is important to tell. I think that
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: there are other situations, not necessarily the mansion, but where
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: people feel trapped or feel like there's a big power
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: imbalance or they're completely losing themselves to someone else. The
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: dedication of the book is to anyone that's struggling with
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: self worth and self acceptance. You're not alone. So I
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: hope that it helps people. Yeah.
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: And that power imbalance is something that a lot of people,
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: unless they've been through it, really don't understand how hard
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: it is to be able to decipher. There's a lot
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: of things, age, money, all sorts of things. But to
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: really understand your sense of self and how to create
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: your sense of self when there is that power balance,
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: you don't get a voice. You don't and you're nothing.
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: You're nothing. You're only important because this person says you
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: are and everyone's surrounding them has been kind of tipped
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: off by them, like, Hey, treat this person well, or
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: keep them in the, but as soon as that person
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: is like, I'm done with them, then they've you're nothing. Right.
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: And the horrible thing about that, that people don't understand is, wow,
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: it might be so constricting and terrible to be in
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: that space where you got PTSD for living it. The
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: fear of not having that and being in this abyss
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: where no one sees you and you don't know who
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: you are and you have no identity is almost scarier.
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: And sometimes if you go in that direction and you
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: find that and think that that's a way out, I
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: think a lot of times people feel like they'd rather
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: be in the other scenario because at least they were
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: seen as someone because it's lonely.
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: They belong somewhere. Yeah.
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. So do you think having the Hefner last
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: name has hurt you or has it helped you?
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure. Shortly after we got married, his secretary
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: had it all changed to Hefner. He wanted me to
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: be Hefner right away. I had a friend that got
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: married recently after us and asked me how she changed
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: her name. And I'm like, I have no idea. It
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: was all done for me. For the last... five years
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: before writing the book, I just hid out. And so I,
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: I wasn't really around people to, to talk about it
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: or really dive into it. But since the book has
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: come out, um, now, now it's something that I'm like
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: internally thinking about. Like, I don't want to be Hefner.
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: Like I'm done with that. Like I've closed the, the,
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: the book now that I've written it. And I feel
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: like my name needs to go back to what I
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: originally was. Yeah.
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: Um, did you watch the A & E docuseries?
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: I watched some of it.
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: And what were your thoughts on it?
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: I think that there's a lot of truth in what
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: the women are talking about. Um, some of it, you know, I, I,
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: I watched it with an open mind and some of
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: the allegations were a bit far fetched, you know, trying
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: to blame Hef for something that happened in like Geneva
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: to some other parties. But, um, Yeah, I believe the
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: women and what they say. And it was a hard
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: place to be.
• 55:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: Was there something you took from it that was the
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: most surprising or shocking to you?
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: I think it just, it helped me feel more validated
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: in the way that I feel.
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: Had you started writing your book yet? Is that something
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: that helped you feel like you could talk?
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: I hadn't. And I was kind of against... the A
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: & E, they had asked me to be part of it.
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: And I said, no, you know, I'm on the board
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: of Hess foundation. I'm like, Oh no, I don't want
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: to be, but watching that. And then I'm like, okay,
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: I need to, I need to get, um, my side
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: out of.
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: There out there. Right. So what has life been like
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: for you? You said you kind of hit out for
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: the last five years. What has your life been like?
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: It's been mellow. You know, I'm not huge on the
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: Hollywood scene. Um, I never really wanted to be an
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: actor or anything like that. I bought a farm in
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: Hawaii a few years ago. It's a lychee farm. So
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: I go back and forth and just want a calm,
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: quiet life. I recently started seeing someone that's actually really
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: normal and kind and caring. And so I think that's
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: really important. And so life is good right now. Yeah.
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: I was going to ask you, like, how do you date?
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: Because you haven't had a great track record with knowing
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: what unconditional love is with men who respect you, love
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: you for who you are, men that will stay. How
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: would you suggest for people that resonate with your story
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: that are still looking to know what a healthy relationship is? Like,
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: how did you even find yours?
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: I think.
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: The majority of what helped me was listening to my intuition.
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: And at the mansion, I pushed it down. You know,
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: just like that first night going up to the bedroom, like,
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: this is weird. And I'm like, push it down, push
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: it down, make it quiet. But now I'm trying to
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: listen to my intuition more. After the mansion, I dated
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: some not so good guys, like struggling musicians and actors.
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: And it was manipulating and controlling. And I'm like, wait,
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: this is deja vu, except this time I'm paying the bills.
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: I'm like, no, no, this is awful. Um, it took,
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: it took a while and not settling for anything less.
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: And if you see a red flag or anything that's off,
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: cut it off. We cannot fix people. We cannot change people.
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: People are not going to grow up. Um, when you
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: meet someone that just, it just feels right when somebody
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: is actually kind and caring and wants the best for you.
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm just curious if you think that Jordan McGraw
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: or Dr. Phil will read your book.
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: I hope so. We have the same attorney. Oh, that's funny.
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: All right. So they'll at least hear about it.
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: I know. Hopefully they read it. I think Jordan's grown
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: up a bit. I think he's married now. Hopefully he's happy.
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah. You were talking about Kendra earlier and that you're
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: friendly with her now. What's your response to her saying
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: that Playboy messed up her whole life?
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: I agree with her. I agree with her. I was
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: on season two of her show. We had a sit
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: down talk. And we said something, she said something about
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: a bedroom or bed. And I'm like, Oh, yeah, we've
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: shared the same bed, you know, not at the same time,
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: but I kind of made a joke about it. I'm like,
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: literally same bed. And she froze. And she's like, I
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: can't talk about that stuff. When I start there, when
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: I'm in my with my therapist, and that starts coming up,
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: I just, I can't talk about it. And I told her,
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: I'm like, Kendra, as soon as you can talk about this,
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: that's when you'll finally be free. As soon as you
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: can talk about it. And so I do feel that
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: she's completely telling the truth.
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah. You said you didn't have such a great relationship
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: right now with Holly and Bridget. Did Holly reach out
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: to you after you tweeted about destroying all of those
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: photos besides her saying thanks?
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she just she said thank you. We ended up
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: following each other on Instagram for a little bit. and,
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: but then some, some silly little thing happened and now
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: we're not following each other anymore. I'm like, can we
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: just drop it? Can we just all get along? Right. Yeah.
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: As I said before, I think that you guys out
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: of anyone would kind of need each other to go.
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: I hope that, um, happens. Um, Okay, do you have
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: any good memories or what's your favorite memory of Hef?
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: I don't. I don't. I wish I could think of
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: something that just was great, but I just think of
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: feeling trapped and just, yeah.
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: Wow, okay. If they did a movie about your life,
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: who would you want to play you?
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: Okay. That's so sweet. I've been seeing like, uh, I
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: think Sydney Sweeney, I think she's, she's adorable. I think
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: that would be really cool.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: Okay. Um, I'm looking at questions that people sent in.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: So I wanted to know, I know you're dating someone,
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: but someone wanted to know if you've ever been on
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: a dating app.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: Raya.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: Oh, you are.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: Or you were okay. Did it work for you?
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. I'm very introverted. So I don't know how
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: to meet people in the wild. So dating apps have
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: been very good to me.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. I'm the same way. Let's see. You
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: answered most of these questions. Oh, somebody said that it
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: seems like the staff was more supportive than the other girls.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: Are you close to any of the staff members or
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: do you talk to anyone from there still?
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: Yes, I'm still friends with some of them. And it
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: felt like they were my friends. Like I was, we
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: were more normal together than the dynamic with Hef. you know,
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: it just, so I, they felt like family. Yeah.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: Right. Um, would my last question is, would you do
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: it all over again?
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: Um, I wouldn't do it all over again, but I'm
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: grateful for where I am now and coming out the
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: other side. Um, I, I don't think I would change
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: this story, but I don't think if all of a
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: sudden I got transported back, I'd be like, Oh, I
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: can't do this again. Right.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: What can we expect from your second act, so to speak,
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: in life? Like where, you know, what are the things
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: you want to do? Who do you want to be? Like,
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: what do you want out of life going forward? You're
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: so young still. So you have, you know, you have
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: so much ahead of you.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: That's so sweet. Just focusing on the book launch, I
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: started a podcast called Beneath the Surface, trying to have
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: more of a voice and exercise my voice. You know,
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: I couldn't use it before. So yeah, I'm just trying
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: to get out there and be a voice and show up.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: And if I can help somebody along the way, then
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: that'll make me really happy.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: That's amazing. And your podcast is great. I've listened to
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: a few episodes. You really are a voice for people
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: that don't know how to kind of find their worth
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: and don't know how to get out of that. And
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: I think you're a really good lesson of, um, you know,
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: your self worth doesn't come from a man. It doesn't
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: come from money. It doesn't come from experiences like that.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: It comes from finally like being able to face up
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: to what you've been through and tell your story and
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: love yourself first before you love someone else. Um, Even
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: if you don't know what loving someone else is yet. Exactly.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: You know, so I think you're really, you know, you're
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: a really special person to look at for someone to get,
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: you know, guidance, you know, because so many people struggle
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: with that self-worth thing. Is there a career that we
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: will see out of you that you want to do?
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, you said you started taking up guitar and
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: I know you liked music. Your dad was a musician.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: Like what, is there anything that we don't know about
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: you that we should know about you?
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: Oh, no, I think, you know, I like having my
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: mellow life. And after years of therapy, my therapist is like,
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: do something that doesn't involve what you look like. So
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: I'm like, okay. So I've been doing a lot of
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: real estate and like remodel projects. And I'm building a
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: couple of houses in Hawaii. So I like to just
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: do things like that. It feels creative.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: Right. So you don't think we would see you on
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: like Dancing with the Stars?
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: No, no, no. I cannot dance and I'm not going
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: to embarrass myself. Right.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: Well, a lot of those people can't dance, but I
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: think they all like the spotlight is what it is.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: All right. So tell people where they can listen to
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: your podcast one more time and where they can find
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: you if they want more information and where they can
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: get your book.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: Oh, so everywhere that sells books, Amazon and everywhere, it's
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: called only say good things. And then wherever you listen
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: to podcasts, if you just type my name, Crystal Hefner,
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: and it's called Beneath the Surface.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: Perfect. Crystal, it's been such a pleasure. I wish you
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: such luck in your future. Everybody needs to go out
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: and buy this book. It is so good. You guys,
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: I'm not just saying this. It's a phenomenal book. You're
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: going to read it start to finish and get so
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: many insights, not only into Playboy, if that's what you're
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: there for to read about, but into this beautiful woman
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: and learn a lesson or.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: Two about yourself.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 4: So again, Crystal Hefner.
• 1:04:28
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• 1:04:31
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• 1:04:54
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• 1:04:55
  Speaker 4: Misunderstood.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: Misunderstood.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 4: The car is beautiful. Where did you end up going
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 4: for it?
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 3: This exclusive place that Dad has connections with. They have
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 3: more cars for more dealerships than like anywhere else.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 4: You have to put me in touch. What's it called?
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 5: It's Dunaidial.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 4: Where? Dunaidial.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 5: There's an accent on the E.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 4: Do you mean.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 5: Yes, I got it on Dundale Cars.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: Lift? Please.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 4: Are you going past Kimmage?
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: Oh, Kimmage. No.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 5: Dundale Cars.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 6: You couldn't possibly go anywhere else.