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S6, Ep 140: Navigating Virginia's Bass and Musky Waters with Austin Conrad - The Articulate Fly · The Long Haul with The Articulate Fly

0:04
Hey
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folks,
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it's
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Marvin
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Cash,
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the
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host
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of
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the
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Articulate
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Fly.
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On
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this
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episode,
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I'm
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joined
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by
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Austin
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Conrad,
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co
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owner
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of
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Virginia
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Trophy
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Guides.
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Austin
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and
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I
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take
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a
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deep
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dive
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into
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Virginia
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smallmouth
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and
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muskie.
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And
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Austin
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even
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shares
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the
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legend
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of
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Skippy
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Britches.
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I
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think
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you're
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really
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going
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to
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enjoy
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this
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one,
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but
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before
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we
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get
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to
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the
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interview,
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just
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a
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couple
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of
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housekeeping
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items.
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you
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like
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the
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podcast,
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please
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subscribe
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and
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us
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a
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in
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the
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podcaster
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of
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your
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choice.
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It
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really
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helps
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us
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out
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and
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a
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shout
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out
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to
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our
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sponsor.
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It's
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a
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fact
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none
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of
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us
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get
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to
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fish
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as
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much
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as
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we
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want.
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Almost
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overnight,
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planning
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a
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fishing
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trip
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went
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from
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a
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gazetteer
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and
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mouth
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to
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entire
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never
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been
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more
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fishing,
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it's
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a
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trying
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to
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wade
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through
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the
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to
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most
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Spend
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time
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surfing
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and
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more
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on
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I
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fish
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in
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southern
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figuring
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how
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1:11
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myself
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Well,
1:39
Austin,
1:39
welcome
1:39
to
1:40
the
1:40
Articulate
1:40
Fly.
1:42
Thanks
1:42
Marlon,
1:43
appreciate
1:43
you
1:43
having
1:43
me.
1:44
Thrilled
1:45
to
1:45
be
1:45
here.
1:45
Yeah,
1:46
looking
1:46
forward
1:46
to
1:47
it.
1:47
And
1:47
we
1:47
have
1:48
a
1:48
tradition
1:48
on
1:48
the
1:48
Articulate
1:49
Fly.
1:49
We
1:49
like
1:49
to
1:49
ask
1:50
all
1:50
of
1:50
our
1:50
guests
1:50
to
1:50
share
1:51
their
1:51
earliest
1:51
fishing
1:52
memory.
1:54
I
1:54
thought
1:55
about
1:55
this
1:55
one
1:56
because
1:57
I
1:57
know
1:57
you
1:57
asked
1:58
everybody
1:59
and
2:00
I
2:00
can't
2:01
decide
2:02
if
2:02
it
2:02
was
2:05
whether
2:05
I
2:05
was
2:05
fishing
2:06
with
2:06
my
2:06
grandfather
2:07
and
2:07
my
2:08
little
2:08
brother
2:08
on
2:09
a
2:09
lake
2:10
like
2:10
a
2:10
Pay
2:11
to
2:11
Play
2:11
lake
2:11
and
2:12
southern
2:12
West
2:13
Virginia
2:13
called
2:13
Plum
2:14
Orchard
2:14
Lake.
2:15
And
2:15
I
2:15
can't
2:15
remember
2:16
if
2:16
it
2:16
was
2:16
that
2:16
one.
2:18
And
2:18
him
2:20
being
2:20
frustrated
2:21
all
2:21
day
2:22
untangling
2:23
and
2:24
us,
2:25
you
2:26
know,
2:26
snagging
2:26
up
2:27
on
2:27
trees
2:27
behind
2:27
us,
2:28
or
2:29
if
2:29
it
2:29
was,
2:30
you
2:30
know,
2:30
another
2:31
early
2:31
one
2:32
with
2:33
him
2:33
and
2:34
his
2:35
buddy
2:35
Joey.
2:36
They
2:36
had
2:37
a
2:37
fish
2:38
camp
2:39
on
2:39
the
2:39
Greenbrier
2:40
river
2:40
and
2:41
we
2:41
would
2:41
go
2:42
there
2:42
and
2:42
fish
2:42
all
2:42
the
2:42
time.
2:43
And
2:44
we
2:45
did
2:45
like
2:46
Kind
2:46
of
2:46
like
2:46
an
2:46
old
2:47
school
2:48
john
2:48
boat
2:48
float
2:49
with
2:50
a
2:50
trolling
2:50
motor
2:51
and
2:52
a
2:52
prop
2:52
outboard.
2:53
And
2:54
by
2:54
the
2:55
end
2:55
of
2:55
the
2:55
day,
2:55
the
2:55
only
2:56
thing
2:56
that
2:56
worked
2:56
was
2:57
the
2:57
trolling
2:57
motor.
2:58
So
2:59
going
2:59
down
2:59
some,
3:00
some,
3:01
you
3:02
know,
3:02
interesting
3:02
water,
3:03
pretty
3:04
much
3:04
not
3:05
under
3:05
power
3:06
most
3:06
of
3:06
the
3:06
time.
3:07
So
3:07
that
3:07
was
3:07
a
3:08
fun
3:08
one.
3:08
Made
3:08
for
3:08
a
3:08
long
3:09
day,
3:09
taking
3:10
off
3:10
in
3:10
the
3:10
dark,
3:10
hitting
3:11
a
3:11
bunch
3:11
of
3:11
stuff.
3:11
But
3:12
catching
3:12
smallmouth
3:13
bass,
3:13
I
3:13
would
3:13
say
3:14
those
3:14
are
3:14
the
3:14
two.
3:15
I
3:15
couldn't
3:15
figure
3:15
out
3:16
which
3:16
one
3:16
was
3:16
earlier.
3:17
I
3:17
even
3:17
made
3:17
a
3:18
call
3:19
to
3:19
try
3:19
to
3:19
figure
3:19
out
3:20
which
3:20
one
3:20
was
3:20
and.
3:22
But
3:22
yeah,
3:22
I
3:22
mean,
3:23
you
3:23
know,
3:23
growing
3:23
up
3:23
fishing
3:24
in
3:25
southern
3:25
West
3:25
Virginia
3:26
for,
3:26
for
3:26
bass
3:27
and
3:28
trout
3:28
and
3:28
stuff
3:29
and
3:29
got
3:29
a
3:30
pretty
3:30
early
3:30
start.
3:31
So
3:32
I
3:32
was,
3:32
I
3:32
was
3:33
fortunate
3:33
in
3:33
that
3:33
way.
3:33
It
3:33
helped
3:34
foster
3:35
my
3:35
love
3:35
for
3:35
fishing
3:35
in
3:36
the
3:36
outdoors.
3:37
Very,
3:38
very
3:38
neat.
3:38
So
3:38
when
3:38
did
3:38
you
3:39
come
3:39
to
3:39
the
3:39
dark
3:39
side
3:39
of
3:40
fly
3:40
fishing?
3:42
So
3:42
that
3:43
actually
3:43
was
3:44
not
3:44
until
3:45
I
3:45
was
3:45
an
3:45
adult.
3:46
So
3:47
I.
3:47
On
3:47
the
3:47
other
3:48
side
3:48
of
3:48
my
3:48
family,
3:49
I
3:49
had
3:50
a,
3:50
you
3:51
know,
3:51
an
3:51
uncle
3:52
Joe.
3:52
He
3:52
wasn't
3:52
actually
3:53
an
3:53
uncle,
3:54
but
3:55
a
3:55
good
3:56
close
3:56
friend,
3:57
him
3:57
and
3:57
his
3:57
wife
3:58
Sandy
3:58
with
3:59
my
3:59
mom's
4:00
parents.
4:00
And
4:01
Joe
4:01
Lewis
4:01
was
4:03
probably
4:03
one
4:03
of
4:03
the
4:03
only
4:04
guys
4:04
fishing
4:05
in
4:05
also
4:06
the
4:06
Greenbrier
4:07
and
4:08
the
4:09
Lower
4:09
New
4:09
river
4:10
there
4:10
in
4:10
West
4:10
Virginia
4:11
on
4:11
a
4:12
fly
4:12
rod.
4:12
And
4:12
he
4:12
would,
4:13
he
4:13
would
4:13
wait
4:14
around
4:14
and,
4:14
and
4:14
fish
4:15
for
4:15
that.
4:15
And
4:15
I'd
4:15
watch
4:16
him
4:16
and
4:17
he
4:17
never
4:17
let
4:17
me
4:18
fly
4:18
fish
4:18
because
4:18
he
4:19
said
4:19
it
4:19
was
4:19
too
4:19
complicated.
4:20
But,
4:21
you
4:22
know,
4:22
I'd
4:22
seen
4:22
it,
4:23
but
4:23
I'd
4:23
always
4:24
been
4:24
told
4:24
by
4:24
my
4:24
grandfather
4:25
that
4:25
it
4:25
was,
4:26
you
4:26
know,
4:26
you
4:26
did
4:26
that
4:26
for
4:27
trout.
4:27
And
4:29
so
4:29
I
4:30
went
4:30
to
4:30
college
4:30
at
4:31
Penn
4:31
State
4:32
and
4:33
when
4:33
I
4:33
was
4:33
like
4:34
an
4:34
adult,
4:35
that's
4:35
when
4:36
I
4:36
kind
4:36
of
4:36
started
4:37
picking
4:37
up
4:37
the
4:38
fly
4:38
rod
4:38
right
4:38
before
4:38
I
4:39
went
4:39
to
4:39
school.
4:40
And
4:40
then
4:40
more
4:41
seriously,
4:42
when
4:42
I
4:42
got
4:42
to
4:43
school
4:43
and
4:44
worked
4:44
for
4:44
a
4:45
shop
4:45
up
4:45
there
4:45
called
4:45
TCO
4:46
Fly
4:46
Shop
4:48
and
4:49
kind
4:49
of
4:49
got
4:49
more
4:49
and
4:49
more
4:50
serious.
4:50
And
4:50
in
4:50
my
4:51
tenure
4:51
there
4:51
as
4:51
an
4:52
employee,
4:53
very
4:53
neat.
4:54
How
4:54
did
4:54
you
4:54
not
4:55
get
4:55
drummed
4:55
out
4:55
of
4:55
the
4:55
core
4:56
of
4:56
your
4:56
family
4:56
if
4:57
not
4:57
for
4:57
not
4:57
being
4:57
a
4:58
mountaineer
4:58
and
4:58
you
4:58
went
4:58
to
4:58
Penn
4:59
State?
5:00
I
5:01
know,
5:01
yeah,
5:01
it
5:01
was,
5:02
It's.
5:02
I
5:03
was
5:03
told
5:03
that
5:03
at
5:04
least
5:04
it
5:04
wasn't
5:04
Pitt
5:05
or
5:05
Virginia
5:05
Tech.
5:06
So
5:06
I
5:06
knew
5:07
that
5:07
was,
5:08
that
5:08
was
5:08
a
5:08
tough
5:08
one
5:09
to.
5:09
To.
5:10
That
5:10
was
5:10
a
5:10
tough
5:10
call
5:11
to,
5:11
to
5:12
my
5:12
mom's
5:12
father,
5:13
who
5:13
was
5:13
a.
5:14
A
5:14
mountaineer
5:15
student
5:15
two
5:15
times
5:16
over.
5:16
So
5:17
that
5:17
was
5:17
a.
5:18
That
5:18
was
5:18
definitely
5:19
an
5:19
awkward
5:20
moment.
5:20
But.
5:21
But
5:21
yeah,
5:21
I
5:21
went
5:21
to
5:21
Penn
5:22
State
5:22
and
5:22
it
5:23
wanted
5:23
to
5:23
get
5:23
out
5:23
of
5:23
the
5:24
area.
5:24
That
5:24
was
5:25
the
5:25
big
5:25
thing.
5:25
My
5:25
brother,
5:26
you
5:26
know,
5:26
ended
5:27
up
5:27
going
5:27
to
5:27
WVU
5:28
and
5:28
so
5:29
I
5:29
kind
5:29
of
5:29
wanted
5:29
to
5:29
do
5:29
my
5:29
own
5:30
thing.
5:30
And
5:31
yeah,
5:31
I'm
5:32
glad
5:32
I
5:32
did.
5:32
Met
5:33
some
5:33
really
5:33
great
5:33
people
5:34
and.
5:34
And
5:34
got
5:35
to
5:35
fish
5:35
some
5:35
really
5:35
pretty
5:36
water
5:36
that
5:36
I
5:36
probably.
5:37
I
5:37
may
5:38
have
5:38
not
5:38
otherwise,
5:39
you
5:39
know.
5:39
So,
5:40
yeah,
5:40
the,
5:41
the
5:41
fishing
5:41
around
5:42
State
5:42
College,
5:42
I
5:42
mean,
5:42
I've
5:43
been
5:43
up
5:43
there
5:43
a
5:43
few
5:43
times
5:44
to,
5:44
to
5:44
fish
5:45
with
5:46
the
5:46
guys
5:47
in
5:47
the
5:47
shop
5:47
and
5:47
I
5:47
mean,
5:48
I
5:48
think
5:48
I
5:48
could
5:48
kind
5:48
of
5:49
be
5:49
ruined.
5:49
I
5:49
mean,
5:50
there's
5:50
so
5:50
much
5:50
good
5:50
water
5:50
that's
5:51
so
5:51
easy
5:51
to
5:51
get
5:52
to.
5:54
Yeah,
5:54
that
5:54
was,
5:54
that
5:55
was
5:55
kind
5:55
of
5:55
eye
5:55
opening.
5:56
So
5:57
in
5:57
southern
5:58
West
5:58
Virginia,
5:58
we
5:58
had,
5:59
we
5:59
had
5:59
a
5:59
lot
5:59
of
6:00
good
6:00
trout
6:01
water.
6:01
Definitely
6:02
did.
6:02
For
6:02
sure.
6:03
Still
6:03
do.
6:05
But
6:05
when
6:05
you
6:06
get
6:06
to
6:06
a
6:06
place
6:06
like
6:07
State
6:07
College,
6:07
you,
6:07
like,
6:08
realize,
6:09
like,
6:09
you're
6:09
like,
6:10
wow.
6:10
Like
6:10
I,
6:11
I
6:11
didn't
6:11
know
6:11
what
6:12
great
6:12
trout
6:13
fishing
6:13
was.
6:13
I
6:13
mean,
6:13
it's.
6:14
You
6:14
can't
6:14
spit
6:15
without
6:15
hitting
6:16
a
6:16
trout
6:16
stream.
6:17
And
6:17
so
6:18
that
6:19
was
6:19
kind
6:19
of
6:19
eye
6:19
opening
6:19
and
6:19
it
6:20
was
6:20
great.
6:20
I
6:20
mean,
6:20
it
6:20
was
6:21
probably
6:21
to
6:22
the
6:22
detriment
6:22
of
6:22
my
6:22
grades
6:24
because,
6:25
you
6:25
know,
6:25
there
6:26
every.
6:26
Every
6:26
day
6:27
you
6:27
could
6:27
go
6:27
fish
6:27
somewhere
6:28
new
6:28
and
6:28
not
6:28
hit
6:28
the
6:28
same
6:29
water
6:29
twice
6:29
within
6:29
a,
6:30
you
6:30
know,
6:31
150
6:32
mile
6:32
radius.
6:33
So.
6:34
Yeah,
6:35
that's
6:35
even
6:35
before
6:35
you
6:35
throw
6:36
in
6:36
bow
6:36
hunting
6:36
for
6:37
deer.
6:37
Right?
6:39
Yeah,
6:39
I
6:39
didn't
6:39
do
6:40
too
6:40
much
6:40
of
6:40
that
6:40
up
6:40
there.
6:41
I
6:41
didn't
6:41
do.
6:41
Actually,
6:42
I
6:42
didn't
6:42
do
6:42
any
6:42
hunting
6:43
while
6:43
I
6:43
was
6:43
there.
6:44
Wish
6:44
I
6:44
had,
6:45
but.
6:46
But
6:46
it's.
6:47
But
6:47
yeah,
6:47
I
6:47
mean,
6:47
I
6:48
had
6:48
so
6:48
much
6:48
on
6:49
my
6:49
plate
6:49
and
6:50
just,
6:50
just
6:50
having
6:50
the
6:51
fishing,
6:51
I,
6:51
you
6:51
know,
6:51
I
6:52
kind
6:52
of
6:52
had
6:52
a
6:52
wealth
6:53
of
6:53
riches
6:53
with
6:53
that,
6:54
so
6:54
it
6:55
was
6:55
nice.
6:55
But
6:55
yeah,
6:56
there
6:56
is.
6:56
I
6:57
mean,
6:57
I
6:57
always
6:57
tell
6:58
people,
6:58
I
6:58
mean,
6:59
PA
6:59
Central,
7:00
PA
7:00
in
7:00
particular
7:01
is
7:01
kind
7:01
of
7:01
a
7:02
outdoorsman's
7:02
paradise.
7:04
You
7:04
know,
7:04
we're
7:04
kind
7:04
of
7:04
very
7:05
lucky
7:05
in
7:05
the
7:05
mid
7:06
Atlantic
7:06
as
7:06
a
7:06
whole
7:07
that
7:07
we,
7:08
you
7:08
know,
7:09
between
7:09
angling
7:10
opportunities
7:10
and
7:10
hunting
7:11
opportunities,
7:12
we've
7:12
got
7:12
some
7:13
of
7:13
the
7:13
best
7:13
in
7:13
the
7:13
country.
7:14
Yeah,
7:14
absolutely.
7:15
And
7:15
so,
7:15
you
7:15
know,
7:16
Austin,
7:16
tell
7:16
me
7:17
a
7:17
few
7:17
of
7:17
the
7:17
people
7:17
that
7:17
have
7:18
kind
7:18
of
7:18
mentored
7:18
you
7:18
on
7:19
your
7:19
fly
7:19
fishing
7:19
journey
7:20
and,
7:20
you
7:20
know,
7:20
what
7:20
did
7:20
they
7:20
teach
7:21
you?
7:23
Yeah,
7:23
so
7:25
it,
7:25
you
7:26
know,
7:26
I
7:26
kind
7:26
of
7:27
like,
7:28
I
7:28
guess
7:28
I
7:28
would
7:28
break
7:29
that
7:29
question
7:29
down
7:30
like
7:30
a
7:30
couple
7:30
ways
7:31
where
7:31
it's,
7:32
you
7:32
know,
7:32
I
7:32
got
7:33
my
7:33
start
7:33
working
7:34
at
7:34
TCO
7:35
and,
7:36
you
7:36
know,
7:37
worked
7:37
for
7:38
George
7:38
Costa,
7:39
who
7:39
you
7:39
had
7:39
on
7:39
the
7:40
show
7:41
for
7:42
the
7:43
reports
7:43
and
7:43
everything.
7:43
And
7:44
George
7:45
was
7:46
kind
7:46
of
7:47
giving
7:47
me
7:47
a
7:47
job
7:47
up
7:48
there,
7:48
which
7:48
was
7:48
pretty
7:49
much
7:49
for.
7:50
I
7:51
looked
7:51
at
7:51
it
7:51
as
7:51
it
7:51
was
7:52
a
7:52
discount
7:52
and
7:53
beer
7:53
money
7:54
and
7:54
helped
7:55
me
7:55
pay
7:55
rent
7:55
a
7:55
little
7:56
bit.
7:57
And
7:57
it
7:58
gave
7:58
me
7:58
a
7:58
start
7:58
and
7:58
so,
7:59
George,
8:00
I
8:00
was
8:00
green
8:01
as
8:01
far
8:01
as
8:02
fly
8:02
fishing
8:03
went
8:03
when
8:03
I
8:03
was
8:03
up
8:04
there,
8:04
to
8:05
be
8:05
honest.
8:06
George,
8:07
you
8:07
know,
8:08
kind
8:08
of,
8:08
whether
8:09
he
8:09
would
8:09
say
8:09
it
8:09
or
8:10
not,
8:10
I
8:10
would.
8:11
You
8:11
know,
8:11
I'm
8:11
a
8:11
big,
8:12
big
8:12
believer
8:13
in,
8:13
you
8:14
know,
8:14
kind
8:14
of
8:14
just
8:14
shutting
8:15
up
8:15
and
8:15
listening
8:15
sometimes,
8:16
and
8:16
especially
8:17
when
8:17
people
8:18
know
8:18
more
8:19
than
8:19
you
8:19
do.
8:19
So
8:20
he
8:20
may
8:20
not
8:21
tell
8:21
you
8:21
that.
8:22
He
8:22
may
8:22
squirm.
8:23
And
8:23
there
8:23
may
8:23
be
8:23
some
8:23
other
8:23
people
8:24
that
8:24
would
8:24
squirm
8:24
to
8:24
call
8:24
him
8:25
a
8:26
mentor.
8:26
But
8:26
George.
8:27
George
8:27
definitely
8:28
was
8:28
probably
8:29
the
8:29
earliest
8:29
one.
8:29
And
8:30
then
8:30
other
8:30
guys
8:30
up
8:31
there
8:31
that
8:32
I
8:32
would
8:32
just
8:32
sit
8:32
and
8:33
listen
8:33
to
8:34
because
8:34
they
8:34
were
8:34
just.
8:35
It
8:35
just
8:35
seemed
8:36
to
8:36
me
8:36
like
8:36
they
8:36
were
8:36
trout
8:37
gurus,
8:37
like,
8:38
you
8:38
know,
8:39
Sam
8:39
Galt,
8:41
Shane
8:41
Adams,
8:42
things
8:42
like
8:42
that.
8:42
You
8:42
know,
8:42
I.
8:43
I
8:44
don't
8:44
think
8:44
I
8:45
would
8:45
call
8:45
them
8:45
mentors,
8:46
but
8:46
I've
8:46
been
8:46
fortunate
8:47
to
8:47
know
8:48
some
8:48
really,
8:48
really
8:49
fishy
8:49
people,
8:49
I
8:50
mean,
8:50
in
8:50
a
8:50
short
8:51
time
8:51
in
8:51
this
8:51
industry.
8:52
And
8:53
then
8:53
as
8:53
I,
8:54
you
8:54
know,
8:54
got
8:54
back
8:55
to
8:55
this
8:55
area,
8:56
Virginia,
8:57
and
8:57
in
8:58
West
8:58
Virginia,
8:59
Josh
8:59
Lafferty,
9:00
who
9:00
I
9:00
work
9:01
with,
9:02
another
9:02
guy
9:02
that
9:02
would
9:02
probably
9:03
squirm,
9:04
but
9:04
I
9:04
would
9:05
call
9:05
him
9:05
a
9:05
mentor.
9:06
As
9:07
far
9:07
as,
9:07
you
9:07
know,
9:07
he
9:08
just.
9:08
He
9:08
doesn't.
9:09
I
9:09
don't
9:09
think
9:09
he
9:09
cares
9:10
the.
9:10
For
9:10
that
9:10
kind
9:11
of
9:11
notoriety
9:11
or
9:12
whatnot.
9:13
But.
9:13
But,
9:14
yeah,
9:15
Josh,
9:15
I
9:15
mean,
9:15
he
9:16
taught
9:16
me
9:16
everything
9:17
I
9:17
know
9:17
about
9:19
muskie
9:20
fishing
9:20
on
9:20
the
9:20
fly.
9:21
And
9:21
then
9:21
in
9:21
recent
9:22
years,
9:24
you
9:24
know,
9:25
last
9:25
couple
9:25
years,
9:25
getting
9:26
to
9:26
know
9:26
Blaine,
9:27
same
9:28
thing.
9:28
I
9:28
mean,
9:28
it's
9:28
just
9:28
one
9:29
of
9:29
those
9:29
guys
9:29
you
9:29
just.
9:30
You
9:30
just
9:30
kind
9:30
of
9:31
shut
9:31
up
9:31
and
9:31
listen.
9:32
And
9:32
there's
9:33
always
9:33
tidbits
9:34
you
9:34
can
9:34
learn,
9:35
you
9:35
know,
9:35
talking
9:35
to,
9:36
you
9:36
know,
9:36
whether
9:36
it
9:37
be
9:37
somebody
9:37
you
9:37
consider
9:38
a
9:38
mentor
9:39
or
9:39
a
9:39
friend
9:39
and
9:41
colleague,
9:42
whatever.
9:42
And
9:43
just
9:43
like
9:43
that,
9:44
too,
9:44
I
9:44
mean,
9:44
you
9:44
know,
9:45
like
9:45
I
9:45
said,
9:45
I've
9:46
been
9:46
fortunate
9:47
to
9:47
be
9:47
around
9:47
some
9:47
of
9:47
the
9:47
fishiest
9:48
people,
9:49
you
9:49
know,
9:49
I
9:49
think,
9:50
in
9:51
this
9:51
industry.
9:51
I
9:51
mean,
9:52
kid
9:52
that
9:52
works
9:52
with
9:53
us,
9:53
Braden
9:53
Miller,
9:55
I
9:55
learned,
9:56
you
9:56
know,
9:56
just
9:57
talking
9:57
to
9:57
him,
9:57
he's
9:58
such
9:58
a
9:58
nerd
9:58
about.
9:59
About
10:00
fishing
10:00
that
10:01
you
10:01
just.
10:01
You
10:01
pick
10:01
up
10:01
something
10:02
all
10:02
the
10:02
time.
10:03
And
10:03
he's
10:03
so
10:04
technical
10:04
and
10:04
so
10:05
sound
10:05
in
10:05
everything
10:06
he
10:06
does.
10:06
And
10:07
Brendan
10:07
Roosh
10:09
in
10:09
PA
10:10
Worked
10:10
with
10:10
him
10:10
closely
10:11
and
10:12
good
10:12
friend,
10:12
and
10:13
I
10:13
mean,
10:14
a
10:14
great
10:14
bass
10:15
angler,
10:15
guide,
10:16
and
10:16
know
10:16
guys
10:16
like
10:17
Josh
10:17
Trammel
10:17
in
10:17
Ohio
10:18
and
10:19
some
10:19
of
10:19
the
10:19
Michigan
10:19
boys,
10:20
like,
10:20
you
10:20
know,
10:21
I
10:21
kind
10:21
of
10:21
just.
10:22
I
10:22
just
10:22
try
10:22
to
10:23
pick
10:23
up
10:24
what
10:24
I
10:24
can,
10:24
whether
10:25
it's
10:25
something
10:25
I
10:25
would
10:25
consider
10:26
a
10:26
mentor
10:27
or
10:27
not.
10:27
But,
10:27
you
10:28
know,
10:28
it's.
10:29
I
10:29
would
10:29
say
10:29
George
10:30
Costa
10:30
and
10:31
Josh
10:31
just
10:32
giving
10:32
me
10:32
an
10:32
opportunity
10:33
in
10:34
both
10:34
of
10:34
those
10:34
places,
10:36
you
10:36
know,
10:37
and
10:37
then
10:37
Jim
10:37
Johnson
10:38
in
10:38
Alaska,
10:39
you
10:39
know,
10:39
I
10:39
worked
10:39
up
10:39
there
10:40
for
10:40
a
10:40
few
10:40
seasons,
10:41
and
10:41
even
10:42
though
10:42
that
10:42
was
10:42
totally
10:43
different
10:43
to
10:43
what
10:43
I
10:43
do
10:43
here
10:44
now,
10:44
Jim
10:45
taught
10:45
me
10:46
a
10:46
lot
10:46
about
10:47
professionalism
10:48
and
10:49
being
10:49
a
10:49
guide
10:50
and,
10:51
you
10:52
know,
10:52
getting
10:52
up
10:52
and
10:53
getting
10:53
after
10:53
it
10:53
every
10:53
day.
10:54
I
10:54
mean,
10:54
he's
10:54
like
10:55
a.
10:56
He's
10:56
an
10:56
I
10:56
don't
10:56
take
10:57
no
10:57
for
10:57
an
10:57
answer
10:58
type
10:59
guy,
10:59
you
10:59
know,
11:00
where
11:00
it's
11:00
like,
11:00
you
11:00
go
11:00
out
11:01
there
11:01
and
11:01
you
11:01
get
11:01
after
11:02
it,
11:02
you
11:02
know,
11:03
and.
11:03
And
11:03
so
11:04
Jim,
11:04
you
11:05
know,
11:05
George
11:05
and
11:06
Josh,
11:06
I
11:06
would
11:06
say,
11:07
have
11:07
been
11:08
super
11:08
important
11:08
to
11:08
me,
11:09
and
11:09
I
11:09
can't
11:09
thank
11:09
those
11:09
guys
11:10
enough
11:10
for.
11:11
For
11:11
helping
11:11
me
11:11
along
11:12
the
11:12
way
11:12
and
11:12
really
11:13
getting
11:13
my
11:13
start
11:13
and
11:13
push
11:14
it
11:14
along.
11:14
So.
11:15
Yeah.
11:16
Very
11:16
neat.
11:16
So
11:16
you're,
11:17
you
11:17
know,
11:17
you're.
11:18
You're
11:18
a
11:18
kid
11:18
at
11:19
Penn
11:19
State.
11:20
You're
11:20
working
11:20
for
11:20
George,
11:21
you
11:21
know,
11:22
and,
11:22
you
11:22
know,
11:22
you
11:22
were
11:22
just
11:23
kind
11:23
of
11:23
figuring
11:23
out
11:23
the
11:23
fly
11:24
fishing
11:24
thing,
11:24
you
11:24
know,
11:25
when
11:25
did
11:25
you
11:25
get
11:25
the
11:25
guide
11:26
bug?
11:28
Yeah,
11:28
so
11:29
it
11:29
kind
11:29
of
11:29
happened
11:30
as
11:30
I
11:30
was,
11:30
like,
11:30
leaving
11:32
Penn
11:32
State
11:33
and,
11:34
you
11:35
know,
11:36
and
11:37
I
11:37
left
11:38
the
11:38
shop
11:38
and,
11:40
you
11:41
know,
11:41
it
11:41
was
11:41
weird.
11:42
It
11:42
actually
11:43
kind
11:43
of
11:43
happened,
11:43
like,
11:44
the
11:44
same
11:44
time
11:45
that.
11:46
That
11:46
I
11:46
got
11:47
an
11:47
offer
11:47
to
11:47
work
11:47
on
11:47
a
11:48
fly
11:48
fishing
11:48
film
11:48
tour.
11:49
And
11:50
so
11:51
in
11:51
the
11:51
midst
11:51
of
11:52
that,
11:52
you
11:52
know,
11:52
I
11:52
was
11:53
helping
11:54
a
11:54
guy
11:54
named
11:54
Paul
11:54
Nicoletti,
11:55
good
11:55
friend
11:55
of
11:56
mine,
11:57
with
11:57
the
11:57
fly
11:57
fishing
11:58
film
11:58
tour,
11:59
and
11:59
then
11:59
coming
12:00
back
12:00
to
12:00
Virginia
12:01
to
12:02
after
12:03
school,
12:04
and,
12:04
you
12:04
know,
12:04
it's
12:05
kind
12:05
of
12:05
light,
12:05
you
12:05
know,
12:06
like,
12:06
not
12:06
doing
12:07
a
12:07
ton
12:07
of
12:08
dad
12:08
work,
12:08
not,
12:09
you
12:09
know,
12:09
some
12:10
trips
12:10
here
12:10
and
12:10
there.
12:11
And.
12:12
And
12:12
I
12:12
just
12:12
decided,
12:13
you
12:13
know,
12:13
after
12:14
school,
12:14
I
12:14
was
12:14
like,
12:15
didn't
12:16
really
12:16
know
12:16
what
12:16
I
12:16
wanted
12:16
to
12:17
do
12:17
or
12:17
I
12:17
thought
12:18
I
12:18
did,
12:18
and
12:18
just
12:19
kind
12:19
of
12:20
ran
12:20
with
12:21
it.
12:22
And
12:22
so,
12:22
you
12:23
know,
12:23
I
12:23
just
12:23
kind
12:23
of
12:23
dove,
12:24
you
12:25
know,
12:25
headfirst
12:26
into
12:26
the
12:27
industry,
12:27
so
12:28
to
12:28
say.
12:28
But
12:29
between
12:30
a
12:30
film
12:30
tour
12:30
and
12:31
just
12:31
guiding
12:32
as
12:32
soon
12:32
as
12:32
I
12:32
got
12:32
back,
12:33
and
12:33
it
12:33
just
12:33
seemed
12:33
like
12:33
it
12:33
just
12:34
all
12:34
happened
12:34
really
12:35
quickly
12:35
because,
12:35
you
12:36
know,
12:36
doing
12:36
trips
12:37
here
12:37
and
12:38
there
12:38
was
12:38
like,
12:38
boom.
12:38
I
12:39
got
12:39
the
12:39
job
12:39
in
12:39
Alaska,
12:41
went
12:41
and
12:41
left,
12:42
you
12:42
know,
12:42
did
12:42
my
12:42
first
12:43
season
12:43
in
12:43
Alaska.
12:43
I
12:44
got
12:44
to
12:44
spend
12:44
a
12:44
lot
12:44
of
12:44
time
12:44
with
12:45
Josh,
12:45
and,
12:46
you
12:46
know,
12:46
I
12:46
told
12:47
him
12:47
that
12:47
I
12:47
had
12:47
interest
12:47
in
12:49
being
12:49
in
12:49
that
12:49
area
12:50
and
12:51
guiding
12:51
for
12:52
bass
12:52
and.
12:53
And
12:53
muskie.
12:54
And,
12:55
you
12:55
know,
12:55
I
12:55
was
12:56
kind
12:56
of
12:56
nervous
12:56
about
12:56
that
12:56
conversation.
12:57
And
12:58
Josh
12:58
was
12:58
nothing
12:58
but
12:58
welcoming.
12:59
I
12:59
mean,
12:59
he
12:59
was
12:59
like,
13:00
you
13:00
know,
13:00
hey,
13:00
man,
13:01
screw
13:01
it.
13:01
Like,
13:02
we'll
13:02
just
13:02
do
13:02
it
13:02
together,
13:03
you
13:03
know,
13:04
and.
13:04
And
13:05
was
13:05
very
13:05
fortunate
13:06
with
13:06
that,
13:06
that,
13:07
you
13:07
know,
13:07
I.
13:07
I
13:07
was
13:07
kind
13:08
of
13:08
nervous
13:08
about
13:08
the
13:08
whole
13:08
thing.
13:09
And,
13:09
you
13:09
know,
13:09
he
13:10
kind
13:10
of.
13:11
He
13:11
kind
13:11
of
13:11
squashed
13:12
all
13:12
that
13:12
and
13:13
gave
13:13
me
13:13
the
13:13
confidence
13:14
to
13:14
Go
13:14
full
13:15
steam
13:15
ahead.
13:15
So
13:16
that's
13:16
that.
13:16
It
13:16
kind
13:17
of
13:17
happened
13:17
really
13:17
quickly,
13:18
but
13:18
right
13:18
after
13:19
school,
13:19
I
13:19
would
13:19
say.
13:20
Interesting.
13:21
And
13:21
so
13:21
did
13:21
you
13:21
just
13:22
kind
13:22
of
13:22
start,
13:22
you
13:22
know,
13:23
guiding
13:23
for
13:23
yourself
13:24
before
13:24
it
13:24
all
13:24
came
13:24
together
13:25
or
13:25
were
13:25
you
13:25
working
13:25
with
13:25
a
13:26
shop
13:26
or
13:26
an
13:26
outfitter?
13:28
Yeah,
13:28
so
13:29
it
13:29
was
13:29
like,
13:29
just
13:30
like
13:30
I
13:30
said,
13:30
like
13:30
a
13:31
pretty
13:31
small
13:32
amount
13:32
of
13:32
trips
13:32
and
13:33
I
13:33
was
13:33
actually
13:33
just
13:33
doing
13:34
trout
13:35
in
13:36
Virginia
13:37
and
13:37
this
13:37
was
13:38
a
13:38
very
13:38
short
13:38
time
13:39
before,
13:40
you
13:40
know,
13:40
I
13:40
kind
13:40
of
13:40
met
13:41
Josh
13:41
and
13:43
we
13:43
kind
13:43
of
13:43
started
13:43
Virginia
13:44
Trophy
13:44
Guides.
13:45
But,
13:45
but
13:45
yeah,
13:45
it
13:45
was
13:46
just
13:47
doing
13:47
some,
13:47
some
13:48
walking
13:48
away
13:48
trout
13:48
trips
13:49
and,
13:50
and
13:50
to
13:50
be
13:50
honest
13:50
with
13:51
you,
13:51
kind
13:51
of
13:52
when
13:52
I
13:52
was
13:52
doing
13:52
it,
13:53
I
13:53
think
13:53
that
13:53
I
13:54
love
13:54
trout,
13:54
I
13:55
really
13:55
do,
13:56
but
13:56
I
13:56
wasn't
13:56
really
13:57
inspired
13:57
to,
13:58
to
13:58
guide
13:59
for
13:59
them
13:59
long
13:59
term
14:00
and,
14:00
and
14:00
I
14:00
knew
14:01
I
14:01
wanted
14:01
to
14:01
do
14:01
something
14:03
slightly
14:04
different,
14:05
but
14:05
I
14:05
didn't
14:05
really
14:05
want
14:06
to
14:06
leave
14:06
the
14:06
region.
14:06
I,
14:07
you
14:07
know,
14:07
I've
14:08
been
14:08
all
14:08
over
14:08
the,
14:09
the
14:09
country.
14:10
I've
14:10
gotten
14:11
Alaska
14:12
and
14:12
you
14:13
know,
14:13
and,
14:14
and
14:14
I,
14:15
I,
14:16
I
14:17
think
14:17
people
14:17
probably
14:18
don't
14:18
believe
14:18
me
14:18
when
14:19
I
14:19
say
14:19
it,
14:19
but,
14:20
but
14:20
I
14:20
wouldn't
14:20
rather
14:21
be
14:21
anywhere
14:21
else
14:21
than,
14:22
you
14:22
know,
14:23
this
14:23
area,
14:24
western
14:25
Virginia.
14:26
And
14:26
obviously
14:26
I'm
14:27
partial
14:27
to
14:27
West
14:28
Virginia
14:28
too,
14:28
but,
14:29
but
14:29
this,
14:30
I
14:30
love
14:30
being
14:30
in
14:30
this,
14:31
this
14:31
region.
14:31
As
14:31
far
14:32
as
14:32
fishing,
14:32
I
14:32
don't
14:33
think
14:33
you
14:33
can
14:33
beat
14:33
it.
14:34
And
14:34
the
14:34
views
14:35
as
14:35
well.
14:36
Yeah,
14:36
I
14:36
mean,
14:36
it's
14:36
a
14:37
pretty
14:37
amazing
14:37
thing.
14:38
I
14:38
mean,
14:38
if
14:38
you
14:38
kind
14:38
of
14:39
go
14:39
from,
14:39
you
14:40
know,
14:40
let's
14:40
just
14:40
say,
14:42
you
14:43
know,
14:43
North
14:43
Carolina
14:44
kind
14:44
of
14:44
up
14:45
to
14:45
Maryland,
14:45
I
14:45
mean,
14:46
the
14:46
species
14:46
diversity
14:47
that
14:47
you
14:48
have
14:48
and
14:48
how
14:48
quickly
14:49
you
14:49
can
14:49
kind
14:49
of
14:50
change
14:50
things
14:50
up,
14:51
you
14:51
know,
14:51
there
14:51
really,
14:52
they're
14:52
just
14:53
not
14:53
a
14:53
lot
14:53
of
14:53
other
14:53
places
14:54
in
14:54
the
14:54
country
14:54
that
14:55
kind
14:55
of
14:55
have
14:55
that
14:55
diversity
14:56
of
14:56
species
14:57
to
14:57
chase.
14:59
Yeah,
14:59
no,
15:00
I
15:00
agree.
15:00
I,
15:01
I
15:01
mean,
15:02
I
15:02
grew
15:02
up
15:03
fishing
15:03
for
15:03
bass
15:04
and,
15:04
and,
15:04
and
15:05
particularly
15:05
on
15:06
the
15:06
New
15:06
river
15:06
and
15:06
the
15:06
Greenbrier
15:07
and,
15:08
but
15:09
within
15:10
reach
15:10
you've
15:10
got
15:10
trout.
15:11
And
15:11
then
15:11
once
15:12
you
15:12
get
15:12
to
15:12
Virginia
15:12
here,
15:13
it's,
15:13
you
15:13
know,
15:13
you
15:13
can
15:14
go
15:14
to
15:14
the
15:14
coast
15:14
and
15:15
I
15:15
mean,
15:15
the
15:15
Chesapeake
15:16
Bay
15:16
is
15:18
probably
15:18
one
15:18
of
15:18
the
15:18
best
15:19
saltwater
15:19
fisheries
15:20
in
15:20
the
15:20
world.
15:20
Right.
15:20
So
15:22
I
15:22
mean,
15:22
there's
15:22
so
15:22
many
15:23
opportunities
15:24
from,
15:24
you
15:24
know,
15:25
in
15:25
a
15:25
five
15:26
hour
15:26
drive.
15:27
I
15:27
think,
15:27
you
15:28
know,
15:28
as
15:28
I
15:28
always
15:29
hype
15:29
up
15:30
Pennsylvania
15:31
and
15:31
West
15:31
Virginia
15:31
and
15:31
I
15:32
try
15:32
to
15:32
drive
15:32
people
15:32
to
15:33
those
15:33
places
15:33
and
15:34
just
15:34
to
15:34
see
15:34
them,
15:35
you
15:35
know,
15:35
I
15:35
think
15:35
everybody
15:36
should
15:36
and
15:36
go
15:36
fish
15:37
them.
15:37
And
15:37
I
15:37
feel
15:37
the
15:38
same
15:38
way
15:38
about
15:38
here
15:39
in
15:39
western
15:39
Virginia
15:40
and,
15:41
and
15:42
I
15:42
feel
15:42
the
15:42
same
15:42
way
15:42
about
15:43
the
15:43
Chesapeake.
15:43
Even
15:44
though,
15:44
you
15:44
know,
15:44
I
15:44
don't
15:44
work
15:45
out
15:45
there.
15:45
I
15:45
haven't
15:45
done
15:46
a
15:46
ton
15:46
of
15:46
serious
15:47
fishing
15:47
out
15:47
there.
15:48
But.
15:49
But,
15:50
you
15:50
know,
15:50
I
15:50
think
15:50
it's
15:51
their
15:51
Virginia
15:52
is
15:52
unique
15:52
in
15:52
that
15:52
way
15:53
where
15:53
you
15:54
can
15:54
drive
15:54
five
15:55
hours
15:55
to
15:55
the
15:55
mountains,
15:56
fish
15:56
for
15:56
brook
15:56
trout,
15:57
wild
15:57
browns,
15:58
wild
15:58
rainbows,
15:59
smallmouth,
16:00
muskie,
16:00
catfish,
16:01
whatever
16:01
you
16:02
want,
16:02
and
16:02
then
16:02
you
16:02
can
16:02
get
16:03
out
16:03
to
16:03
the
16:03
coast
16:03
and
16:03
fish
16:04
for
16:04
some
16:04
of
16:04
the
16:04
best
16:04
bull,
16:05
drum,
16:05
cobia
16:07
and
16:07
so
16:07
on.
16:08
So
16:08
I
16:09
think
16:09
that's
16:09
a
16:09
really
16:10
unique
16:10
and
16:10
special
16:10
thing.
16:12
Yeah,
16:12
absolutely.
16:13
And
16:13
I
16:13
know
16:13
you
16:13
mentioned
16:14
a
16:14
bunch
16:14
of
16:14
folks
16:14
already,
16:15
but
16:15
are
16:15
there
16:15
any
16:15
other
16:16
folks
16:16
that
16:16
have,
16:16
you
16:16
know,
16:16
mentored
16:17
you
16:17
on
16:17
your
16:17
guide
16:18
journey
16:18
that
16:18
you
16:18
want
16:19
to
16:19
mention
16:19
and,
16:20
you
16:20
know,
16:20
let
16:20
folks
16:20
know
16:21
kind
16:21
of
16:21
what
16:21
they.
16:21
They
16:22
taught
16:22
you?
16:24
Yeah,
16:24
I
16:24
mean,
16:25
I
16:25
just,
16:26
like
16:26
I
16:26
said,
16:26
I
16:27
mean,
16:27
if
16:27
I
16:27
was
16:27
to
16:27
break
16:27
it
16:28
down
16:28
into
16:28
those
16:28
kind
16:29
of
16:29
those
16:29
three
16:30
fixtures
16:30
and
16:31
in
16:31
that
16:31
journey,
16:32
I've
16:32
been
16:33
really
16:34
fortunate
16:35
to.
16:35
You
16:36
know,
16:36
maybe
16:36
it
16:36
was
16:36
time
16:37
and
16:37
place
16:37
and.
16:38
Right
16:38
time,
16:39
right
16:39
place,
16:39
but,
16:40
you
16:40
know,
16:40
going
16:40
from
16:41
working
16:41
in
16:41
PA
16:42
and
16:42
being
16:42
surrounded
16:43
by
16:43
those
16:43
guys
16:43
up
16:44
there,
16:44
I
16:44
mean,
16:44
there
16:44
was
16:44
plenty
16:44
of
16:45
guys
16:45
up
16:45
there
16:45
I
16:45
didn't
16:45
even
16:45
get
16:46
a
16:46
chance
16:46
to
16:46
mention
16:46
or
16:47
mention,
16:47
you
16:47
know,
16:49
Brian
16:49
Wolfkill
16:50
and
16:50
another
16:51
close
16:51
friend
16:51
of
16:51
mine,
16:52
Elliot
16:52
hall,
16:53
who
16:53
is,
16:54
yeah,
16:54
sneakily,
16:55
one
16:55
of
16:55
the
16:55
most
16:56
fishy
16:56
people
16:56
I
16:56
know.
16:57
I
16:57
mean,
16:57
it.
16:57
I've
16:57
thrown
16:58
him
16:58
in
16:59
smallmouth
16:59
and,
17:00
and
17:00
musky
17:00
scenarios
17:01
where,
17:01
you
17:02
know,
17:02
he
17:02
didn't
17:02
grow
17:02
up
17:02
fishing
17:03
for
17:03
that
17:03
kind
17:03
of
17:03
stuff.
17:03
And
17:04
he's
17:04
just.
17:05
We've.
17:05
We've
17:05
taken
17:05
him
17:06
fishing
17:06
for
17:07
brown
17:07
trout
17:07
on
17:07
tail
17:08
waters
17:08
and
17:09
had
17:09
the
17:09
best
17:09
day
17:10
I've
17:10
ever
17:10
seen
17:10
on
17:10
a
17:11
Virginia
17:11
tailwater
17:12
with
17:12
him.
17:13
You
17:13
know,
17:14
some
17:14
people,
17:15
like
17:15
I
17:15
said,
17:15
I
17:16
mean,
17:16
you
17:16
know,
17:17
I
17:17
think
17:17
some
17:17
people
17:18
like
17:18
Josh
17:18
would
17:19
shudder
17:19
to
17:19
hear.
17:20
They
17:20
mentioned
17:20
to
17:20
call
17:20
him
17:20
a
17:21
mentor
17:21
just
17:21
because
17:22
he
17:22
doesn't
17:22
care
17:23
about
17:23
it.
17:23
But
17:24
I,
17:24
like
17:24
I
17:24
said,
17:25
I
17:25
try
17:25
to.
17:26
All
17:26
the
17:26
friends
17:27
I
17:27
surround
17:27
myself
17:27
with,
17:28
I
17:28
try
17:28
to,
17:29
you
17:29
know,
17:29
learn
17:29
something
17:30
from
17:30
them
17:30
because
17:31
you
17:31
can,
17:31
you
17:31
know,
17:32
and
17:32
there's
17:32
things
17:32
that,
17:33
you
17:33
know,
17:33
I
17:33
call,
17:33
I
17:34
talk
17:34
to
17:34
Brendan
17:35
all
17:35
the
17:35
time
17:37
or,
17:37
you
17:37
know,
17:38
and
17:38
there's
17:38
things
17:38
that
17:39
are
17:39
happening
17:39
on
17:39
his
17:40
rivers
17:40
that,
17:41
That
17:41
I
17:41
can
17:42
apply
17:42
to
17:42
my
17:43
own,
17:43
you
17:43
know,
17:43
even
17:43
though
17:44
they
17:44
can
17:44
be
17:44
different.
17:45
And
17:46
I
17:46
think
17:46
they're
17:47
really,
17:47
like
17:47
I
17:47
said,
17:48
you
17:48
know,
17:48
going
17:48
from
17:48
George
17:49
to,
17:49
you
17:50
know,
17:50
working
17:50
for
17:50
Jim
17:50
and
17:51
working
17:52
with
17:52
Josh,
17:52
I
17:52
mean,
17:53
I've
17:53
been
17:53
really
17:53
fortunate
17:54
and
17:54
then
17:54
getting
17:54
to
17:54
know
17:55
Blaine.
17:55
But
17:56
like
17:56
I
17:56
said,
17:57
I
17:57
mean,
17:57
that's,
17:58
you
17:58
know,
17:58
we.
17:59
We
17:59
shoot
17:59
the,
18:00
we
18:00
shoot
18:00
the
18:00
breeze
18:01
and,
18:01
and
18:02
on.
18:03
Just
18:03
chat
18:03
a
18:04
lot
18:04
too.
18:04
But
18:05
I
18:06
try
18:06
to
18:06
drive
18:06
him
18:06
crazy
18:07
and
18:07
pick
18:07
his
18:07
brain
18:08
all
18:08
the
18:08
time,
18:08
you
18:08
know,
18:09
get
18:09
off
18:09
rivers
18:10
that
18:10
he's
18:10
guided
18:10
for
18:12
30
18:12
years
18:12
after
18:13
a
18:13
day
18:13
and,
18:13
you
18:14
know,
18:14
whether
18:14
I
18:14
had
18:14
a
18:14
good
18:15
day
18:15
or
18:16
tough
18:16
day
18:16
and
18:17
just
18:17
run
18:17
through
18:18
it
18:18
with
18:18
him
18:18
and
18:19
see
18:19
if
18:19
there
18:19
was
18:19
something
18:19
I
18:20
could
18:20
have
18:20
done
18:20
better,
18:21
you
18:21
know,
18:21
and
18:22
I'm,
18:23
I'm
18:23
a
18:23
firm
18:23
believer
18:24
in,
18:24
in
18:24
iron
18:25
sharpens
18:25
iron.
18:26
So
18:27
just
18:27
getting
18:27
to
18:27
know
18:28
guys
18:28
like
18:28
that
18:29
and,
18:30
and
18:30
learning
18:31
from
18:31
them,
18:31
that's,
18:32
that's
18:33
a
18:33
big
18:33
thing
18:33
for
18:33
me,
18:34
you
18:34
know.
18:35
Yeah,
18:35
it's
18:36
super
18:36
neat.
18:36
And
18:36
you
18:36
know,
18:37
I
18:37
have
18:37
a
18:37
couple
18:38
questions
18:38
I
18:38
always
18:38
like
18:39
to
18:39
ask
18:39
guides
18:40
and
18:40
one
18:40
of
18:40
them,
18:41
Austin,
18:42
is,
18:42
you
18:42
know,
18:43
to
18:43
get
18:43
your
18:43
thoughts
18:43
on
18:43
what
18:44
you
18:44
think
18:44
the
18:44
secret
18:44
is
18:45
to
18:45
being
18:45
a
18:45
good
18:45
fishing
18:45
guide.
18:48
Oh,
18:49
I,
18:49
so
18:50
I
18:50
also
18:50
have
18:51
a,
18:52
a
18:52
background
18:53
from
18:53
when
18:53
I
18:54
was
18:54
in
18:54
college
18:54
and
18:55
a
18:55
little
18:55
bit
18:55
beyond
18:56
in,
18:57
in
18:57
bartending
18:58
and
18:58
so
18:58
the
18:59
service
18:59
industry.
18:59
And
19:00
so
19:00
at
19:00
the
19:00
end
19:00
of
19:00
the
19:00
day,
19:01
you
19:01
know,
19:01
as
19:01
hard
19:02
as
19:02
we
19:02
fish
19:03
and
19:04
you
19:04
know,
19:05
despite
19:05
the
19:05
fact
19:05
that
19:05
we
19:05
may
19:06
be
19:06
after
19:06
a
19:06
certain
19:06
type
19:07
of
19:07
fish
19:07
or
19:07
certain
19:08
type
19:08
of
19:08
way,
19:09
it's
19:09
still
19:09
the
19:10
service
19:10
industry.
19:10
And
19:12
you
19:13
know,
19:13
we
19:14
aim.
19:14
You
19:15
know,
19:15
when
19:15
Josh
19:15
brought
19:15
me
19:16
on,
19:16
I
19:16
mean,
19:16
it
19:16
was
19:16
all
19:17
about
19:17
showing
19:17
people
19:17
a
19:18
good
19:18
time,
19:18
right?
19:18
I
19:19
mean,
19:19
there's
19:19
certain
19:19
conditional
19:20
factors
19:20
where
19:21
gays
19:22
are
19:22
not
19:22
going
19:22
to
19:22
be
19:22
as
19:22
good
19:23
as
19:23
you
19:23
had
19:24
hoped
19:25
and
19:26
being
19:26
able
19:27
to
19:27
fill
19:27
the
19:28
gaps
19:28
and,
19:29
you
19:29
know,
19:30
show
19:30
people
19:30
a
19:31
good
19:31
time
19:32
regardless
19:33
of
19:33
conditions,
19:34
I
19:34
think
19:35
that's,
19:35
that's
19:35
huge,
19:37
you
19:37
know,
19:37
and
19:38
given
19:38
somebody
19:39
an
19:39
opportunity
19:40
to
19:40
share
19:40
a
19:40
boat
19:41
with
19:41
somebody
19:41
that
19:42
they,
19:44
that
19:44
they
19:44
enjoy
19:45
it,
19:45
you
19:45
know,
19:45
because,
19:46
I
19:46
mean,
19:46
I
19:47
think
19:47
it
19:47
was
19:47
that
19:48
what
19:48
Pallet
19:49
said,
19:49
you
19:49
know,
19:49
a
19:49
boat
19:50
can
19:50
feel
19:50
a
19:50
fill
19:51
is,
19:52
you
19:52
know,
19:52
big
19:53
or
19:53
small
19:53
as
19:53
you
19:54
want
19:54
it
19:54
to,
19:54
you
19:55
know,
19:55
and
19:56
I'm
19:56
sure
19:56
there's,
19:57
there's
19:57
experiences
19:57
where
19:58
people,
19:58
I've
19:58
had
19:59
fishing
19:59
experiences
19:59
with
20:00
people
20:00
where,
20:01
you
20:01
know,
20:01
not
20:02
guiding
20:02
or
20:03
not
20:03
paying
20:03
for
20:03
a
20:03
guided
20:04
trip,
20:04
but
20:04
being
20:04
on
20:05
a
20:05
boat
20:05
with
20:05
somebody
20:06
and
20:07
that
20:07
boat
20:08
feels
20:08
really
20:08
small,
20:09
you
20:09
know,
20:10
and,
20:10
and
20:10
so
20:11
trying
20:11
to
20:11
be
20:11
a
20:11
well
20:12
rounded
20:12
person
20:12
and
20:13
you
20:13
know,
20:14
and,
20:16
and
20:16
provide
20:17
a
20:17
good
20:17
experience
20:18
in
20:18
that
20:18
way
20:19
beyond
20:19
just
20:19
the
20:19
fishing.
20:20
Because
20:20
I
20:20
mean,
20:20
there's
20:21
certain
20:21
things
20:21
we
20:21
can
20:22
control
20:22
in
20:22
fishing.
20:23
There's
20:23
certain
20:24
things
20:24
we
20:24
absolutely
20:25
can't.
20:26
And
20:26
so
20:26
if
20:27
people
20:27
can
20:27
learn
20:28
and
20:28
leave
20:29
with
20:29
something
20:29
that
20:30
they
20:30
didn't
20:30
know
20:31
before
20:31
the
20:32
start
20:32
of
20:32
the
20:32
day,
20:33
that's
20:33
big
20:33
for
20:33
me.
20:34
You
20:34
know,
20:34
obviously
20:36
personal
20:36
best
20:37
or
20:37
first
20:38
smallmouth
20:38
or
20:38
first
20:39
mosquito,
20:39
those
20:39
things
20:40
are
20:40
all
20:40
great.
20:40
But
20:41
if
20:41
somebody
20:41
left
20:42
and
20:42
they're
20:42
driving
20:42
home
20:43
and
20:43
they're
20:44
like,
20:44
wow,
20:44
you
20:44
know,
20:45
it
20:46
like
20:46
clicked
20:46
with
20:47
me
20:47
when,
20:48
you
20:48
know,
20:48
Austin
20:49
said,
20:49
you
20:49
know,
20:50
slow
20:50
this
20:50
down
20:51
or
20:51
you're
20:52
dropping
20:52
the
20:52
shoulder
20:53
or
20:53
whatever
20:54
that
20:54
they
20:54
can
20:55
be
20:55
like,
20:55
oh,
20:56
just
20:56
quick,
20:56
you
20:56
know,
20:57
and
20:57
now
20:57
I
20:57
can
20:57
take
20:58
that
20:58
to
20:58
Louisiana
20:59
or
20:59
I
20:59
can
20:59
take
21:00
that
21:00
to,
21:00
you
21:01
know,
21:01
the
21:01
Bahamas
21:02
or
21:02
wherever
21:03
with
21:03
them
21:04
and
21:05
can
21:05
make
21:05
their
21:05
fishing
21:06
experience
21:06
better,
21:07
you
21:07
know,
21:07
over
21:07
time.
21:08
That's,
21:09
that's
21:09
a
21:09
win
21:09
for
21:09
me.
21:10
So.
21:11
Yeah,
21:11
it's
21:12
interesting
21:12
too,
21:12
because
21:12
I
21:12
always
21:13
tell
21:13
people,
21:14
you
21:14
know,
21:14
kind
21:15
of
21:15
having
21:15
been
21:15
around
21:16
the
21:16
sport
21:17
for
21:17
a
21:17
fair
21:17
amount
21:18
of
21:18
time,
21:18
you
21:18
know,
21:18
kind
21:18
of,
21:19
as
21:19
I
21:19
would
21:19
say,
21:19
on
21:19
the
21:19
other
21:20
end
21:20
of
21:20
the
21:20
rod
21:21
to,
21:21
you
21:21
know,
21:22
encour,
21:22
encourage
21:23
people
21:23
to
21:24
be
21:24
really
21:25
honest
21:25
with
21:26
their
21:26
guides
21:26
about
21:26
what
21:26
they
21:27
want
21:27
to
21:27
accomplish
21:27
during
21:27
a
21:28
day
21:28
and,
21:28
you
21:29
know,
21:29
not
21:30
make
21:30
you
21:30
be
21:30
a
21:30
mind
21:30
reader
21:31
in
21:31
an
21:31
awesome
21:31
fishing
21:32
guide.
21:34
Yeah,
21:35
for
21:35
sure.
21:35
And
21:36
I
21:36
definitely
21:37
encourage
21:37
that
21:37
too.
21:38
And
21:38
I
21:38
kind
21:38
of
21:38
have
21:38
that
21:39
awkward,
21:40
there's
21:40
sometimes
21:41
awkward
21:41
conversation
21:42
at
21:42
the
21:42
beginning
21:42
of
21:42
the
21:42
day
21:42
where
21:43
it's
21:43
like,
21:44
what
21:44
are
21:44
you
21:44
looking
21:45
to
21:45
gain
21:45
out
21:45
of
21:46
this
21:46
trip?
21:46
And
21:46
a
21:46
lot
21:46
of
21:47
times
21:47
it's
21:47
even
21:47
before
21:47
we
21:47
get
21:48
on
21:48
the
21:48
boat.
21:49
And
21:49
we're
21:49
very
21:50
fortunate
21:50
to
21:50
have
21:51
a
21:51
lot
21:52
of
21:52
serious
21:53
anglers,
21:54
whether
21:54
it
21:54
be
21:54
in
21:55
the
21:55
smallmouth
21:55
or
21:57
mosquito
21:57
pursuit,
21:58
people
21:59
that
21:59
have
22:00
experience.
22:00
But
22:01
we
22:01
certainly,
22:02
especially
22:02
with
22:02
smallmouth,
22:04
get
22:04
a
22:04
lot
22:04
of
22:05
brand
22:05
new
22:05
anglers
22:06
and,
22:07
you
22:07
know,
22:07
their
22:07
goal
22:08
may
22:08
not
22:08
be
22:08
the
22:09
same.
22:09
As
22:10
a
22:10
guy
22:10
that
22:10
I
22:11
spent,
22:11
you
22:12
know,
22:12
two
22:13
days
22:13
with
22:13
in
22:13
April
22:14
chasing,
22:15
you
22:15
know,
22:15
his
22:15
personal
22:16
best
22:16
smallmouth,
22:17
you
22:17
know,
22:18
their
22:18
goals
22:18
may
22:18
not
22:19
be
22:19
the
22:19
same.
22:20
And
22:20
so
22:20
being
22:20
able
22:20
to
22:21
read
22:21
a
22:21
room
22:21
and
22:23
understand
22:23
people's
22:24
expectations
22:25
and
22:25
then
22:25
helping
22:26
them
22:26
achieve
22:27
those
22:27
expectations
22:28
and
22:28
those
22:28
goals.
22:29
So
22:29
that's
22:30
a
22:30
big
22:30
part
22:30
of
22:31
guiding,
22:31
you
22:31
know,
22:32
it's
22:32
not
22:32
just
22:33
big
22:33
fish
22:34
and,
22:34
you
22:34
know,
22:35
telling
22:35
people
22:35
where
22:35
to
22:35
cast
22:36
and
22:37
running
22:37
down
22:37
the
22:38
river,
22:38
it's
22:39
providing
22:39
a
22:40
well
22:40
rounded
22:41
experience
22:41
for
22:41
somebody,
22:42
um,
22:43
and
22:43
then
22:43
being
22:43
able
22:43
to
22:44
adapt
22:44
to
22:44
what
22:45
the,
22:45
their
22:45
needs
22:45
are.
22:46
So
22:47
definitely,
22:48
you
22:48
know,
22:48
we,
22:48
we
22:49
get
22:49
that
22:49
kind
22:49
of
22:50
greener
22:50
side
22:51
and
22:51
you
22:52
know,
22:52
that's,
22:52
that's
22:52
a
22:52
completely
22:53
different
22:53
day
22:53
sometimes.
22:54
And
22:54
sometimes
22:55
it
22:55
works
22:55
out
22:55
that
22:56
they
22:56
end
22:56
up
22:56
catching,
22:57
you
22:58
know,
22:58
great
22:59
bass
22:59
or
22:59
tons
23:00
of
23:00
bass.
23:00
And
23:00
some
23:01
days
23:01
it's
23:01
like,
23:01
you
23:02
know,
23:02
they're
23:02
brand
23:02
new
23:03
and
23:03
learning
23:03
and
23:03
they're
23:03
grinding
23:04
it
23:04
out
23:04
for
23:05
a
23:05
dozen,
23:05
you
23:06
know,
23:06
15
23:06
fish.
23:07
And
23:08
to
23:08
them,
23:09
you
23:09
know,
23:09
I,
23:09
I
23:09
sometimes
23:10
I
23:10
struggle
23:10
to
23:10
remember,
23:11
you
23:11
know,
23:11
that
23:11
I,
23:12
I'll
23:12
get
23:12
off
23:12
the
23:12
water
23:12
and,
23:14
and
23:15
talk
23:15
to
23:15
Josh
23:15
or
23:16
talk
23:17
to
23:17
Abby
23:17
and
23:18
on
23:18
the
23:18
way
23:18
home
23:18
and
23:18
I'm
23:18
like,
23:19
that's
23:19
a
23:19
little
23:19
tougher
23:19
than
23:20
I
23:20
thought.
23:20
And
23:21
you
23:21
know,
23:21
it's,
23:21
I,
23:22
especially
23:22
Abby,
23:23
she's,
23:23
she's
23:24
always
23:24
like,
23:25
well,
23:25
look,
23:25
I
23:26
mean,
23:26
how
23:26
many,
23:27
how
23:27
many
23:27
bass
23:27
is
23:28
that?
23:28
Those
23:29
Those
23:29
folks
23:29
caught
23:29
before,
23:30
and
23:30
I'm
23:30
like,
23:30
well,
23:30
they
23:30
said
23:30
they've
23:31
gone
23:31
out
23:31
a
23:31
few
23:32
times
23:32
and
23:33
never
23:33
caught
23:33
anything.
23:34
Like,
23:35
she's
23:35
like,
23:35
well,
23:36
you
23:36
just
23:36
said
23:37
that
23:37
they.
23:37
They
23:37
caught
23:37
more
23:38
bass
23:38
than
23:38
they
23:38
ever
23:38
have,
23:39
and
23:40
they
23:40
caught
23:40
the
23:40
biggest
23:40
bass
23:41
they
23:41
ever
23:41
have.
23:41
And
23:42
so
23:42
it's.
23:43
It's
23:43
all
23:43
about
23:43
perspective
23:44
and
23:45
providing,
23:45
you
23:46
know,
23:46
that
23:46
kind
23:46
of
23:47
realistic
23:48
experience
23:48
for
23:49
people.
23:50
Yeah.
23:50
It's
23:51
funny
23:51
because
23:51
I
23:51
always
23:51
tell
23:52
people
23:52
that,
23:52
you
23:52
know,
23:53
you
23:53
can't
23:53
control
23:54
the
23:54
catching.
23:55
Right.
23:55
So,
23:55
you
23:55
know,
23:56
all
23:56
you
23:56
can
23:56
really,
23:57
you
23:57
know,
23:58
hope
23:58
for
23:59
at
23:59
the
23:59
end
23:59
of
23:59
the
23:59
day
23:59
is
24:00
that
24:00
everything
24:00
that
24:00
was
24:00
humanly
24:01
possible
24:01
to
24:01
put
24:02
you
24:02
on
24:02
fish
24:02
was
24:02
done.
24:03
Right.
24:05
Absolutely.
24:06
And,
24:06
I
24:06
mean,
24:06
that's
24:06
like,
24:07
you
24:08
know,
24:08
when.
24:08
When
24:08
Josh
24:09
kind
24:09
of
24:09
brought
24:09
me
24:09
on
24:10
and
24:10
when
24:10
we
24:10
brought
24:11
Braden
24:12
on,
24:12
it
24:12
was.
24:13
It's
24:13
all
24:13
been
24:13
the
24:13
same
24:14
conversation,
24:14
which
24:14
is
24:15
like,
24:15
we
24:15
fish
24:15
hard,
24:17
you
24:18
know,
24:18
we
24:19
don't
24:19
fish
24:19
by
24:19
the
24:19
clock,
24:20
and
24:21
we
24:22
go
24:22
out.
24:22
And
24:23
at
24:23
the
24:24
very
24:24
least,
24:24
all
24:25
he
24:26
expected
24:26
and
24:26
all
24:26
I
24:27
expect
24:27
is
24:28
that,
24:29
you
24:29
know,
24:30
we.
24:30
We
24:30
fish,
24:31
you
24:32
know,
24:32
guide
24:33
hard
24:33
all
24:33
day
24:35
and
24:35
give
24:35
it
24:35
everything
24:36
you
24:36
have.
24:36
I
24:36
know
24:36
it
24:36
sounds
24:37
cliche,
24:37
but
24:38
as
24:39
long
24:39
as
24:39
you're
24:39
doing
24:39
everything
24:40
you
24:40
can
24:40
on.
24:41
On
24:41
your
24:41
end,
24:42
there
24:42
are
24:42
some
24:42
things,
24:43
like
24:43
I
24:43
said,
24:43
you
24:43
can't
24:44
control.
24:44
But.
24:45
But
24:46
for
24:46
the
24:46
most
24:46
part,
24:46
if
24:47
we're
24:47
working
24:48
hard
24:48
and
24:48
they're
24:49
working
24:49
hard,
24:49
good
24:50
things
24:50
happen.
24:50
I
24:50
mean,
24:51
I'm.
24:51
I'm
24:51
a
24:51
firm
24:52
believer
24:52
in
24:52
a
24:52
good
24:52
attitude
24:53
and
24:53
good
24:54
river
24:54
karma,
24:54
too.
24:55
So.
24:56
Yeah,
24:56
you
24:56
got
24:56
a
24:57
grind
24:57
to
24:57
shine,
24:57
right?
24:59
Yeah.
24:59
Yeah,
25:00
absolutely.
25:00
Yeah.
25:01
And
25:01
another
25:02
question
25:02
I
25:02
always
25:03
have
25:03
to
25:03
ask
25:03
guides
25:04
is
25:04
to
25:04
share
25:04
their
25:05
biggest
25:05
misconception
25:06
that
25:07
they
25:07
think
25:07
folks
25:07
have
25:07
about
25:08
the
25:08
life
25:08
of
25:08
a
25:08
fishing
25:08
guide.
25:11
Oh,
25:13
where.
25:13
Where
25:14
to
25:14
begin?
25:17
Yeah.
25:18
I
25:18
would
25:18
say
25:18
the
25:19
biggest
25:19
misconception
25:20
is
25:20
that
25:21
it's
25:22
that.
25:23
That
25:23
you're
25:23
fishing
25:24
every
25:24
day
25:24
and,
25:25
you
25:25
know,
25:25
that
25:25
it's
25:26
a
25:26
glamorous
25:28
lifestyle.
25:29
You
25:29
know,
25:29
it's
25:29
like
25:30
that
25:30
it's
25:30
easy,
25:31
and
25:31
then
25:31
it's.
25:32
It's
25:32
glamorous.
25:32
And
25:33
that's
25:34
something
25:34
that.
25:35
Two
25:35
things
25:36
that
25:36
it's.
25:36
It's
25:36
definitely
25:37
not.
25:38
You
25:38
know,
25:39
our
25:39
days
25:40
often
25:40
start.
25:41
You
25:41
know,
25:41
I
25:41
can
25:41
just
25:41
speak
25:42
to
25:42
myself,
25:42
but,
25:42
you
25:43
know,
25:43
my
25:43
days
25:43
often
25:43
start
25:43
at,
25:44
you
25:44
know,
25:44
4:35am
25:47
and,
25:47
you
25:48
know,
25:48
I'm
25:48
not
25:48
going
25:48
to
25:48
bed
25:49
until
25:49
sometimes
25:49
midnight
25:50
or
25:51
beyond.
25:52
And
25:53
it's
25:53
just
25:53
constant
25:54
work,
25:55
and
25:55
sometimes
25:56
you're
25:56
struggling
25:56
to
25:56
find,
25:56
you
25:57
know,
25:57
you've
25:58
got
25:58
something
25:58
that
25:58
went
25:59
wrong
25:59
with
25:59
your
25:59
truck,
26:00
and
26:00
you're
26:00
on
26:00
a
26:00
skid
26:01
of
26:01
guide
26:01
days,
26:02
and
26:02
you
26:02
can't
26:02
just
26:02
drop
26:03
it
26:03
and
26:04
fix
26:04
your
26:04
truck,
26:05
you
26:05
know,
26:05
or
26:05
you're
26:06
working
26:06
on
26:06
your
26:06
Truck
26:06
at
26:06
midnight.
26:07
I've
26:07
also
26:08
done
26:08
that.
26:10
And
26:10
you
26:11
know,
26:11
that
26:11
it's,
26:11
that
26:12
everything's
26:12
just
26:12
kind
26:12
of
26:13
peachy,
26:14
you
26:14
know,
26:14
it's,
26:15
I
26:16
love
26:16
it.
26:16
I
26:17
wouldn't
26:17
do
26:17
anything
26:17
else.
26:18
I
26:18
truly
26:18
mean
26:19
that.
26:20
But
26:20
it's,
26:20
it's
26:20
definitely
26:21
a,
26:22
it's
26:22
a,
26:22
it's
26:22
a,
26:24
it's
26:24
a
26:24
tougher
26:24
lifestyle
26:25
than,
26:25
and
26:26
career
26:26
choice
26:26
and
26:26
people
26:27
give
26:28
credit
26:28
for,
26:28
you
26:28
know,
26:29
you're,
26:29
you're
26:30
away
26:30
from
26:30
home
26:30
a
26:31
lot,
26:31
whether
26:31
you're
26:31
working
26:32
right
26:32
down
26:32
the
26:32
street
26:33
or,
26:33
you
26:34
know,
26:34
you're
26:34
working
26:34
seasons
26:35
in
26:35
Alaska
26:35
or
26:36
Patagonia,
26:37
New
26:37
Zealand,
26:38
whatever,
26:39
you
26:39
know,
26:40
and
26:40
it's,
26:40
it's
26:41
tough
26:41
on
26:41
your
26:41
schedule
26:41
with
26:42
loved
26:42
ones
26:43
and
26:43
family
26:44
and
26:45
you
26:45
gotta
26:45
have
26:45
supportive
26:46
people
26:46
around
26:46
you,
26:47
that's
26:47
for
26:47
sure.
26:48
Because
26:49
it
26:49
is
26:49
a,
26:49
it's
26:49
a
26:50
demanding,
26:50
demanding
26:51
job.
26:51
And,
26:52
and
26:52
it's,
26:53
it
26:53
can
26:53
be
26:53
inconsistent.
26:54
You
26:54
know,
26:54
I
26:54
don't
26:54
care
26:55
what,
26:55
what
26:55
anybody
26:56
says.
26:56
I
26:56
mean,
26:56
there's
26:56
times,
26:57
you
26:57
know,
26:58
I,
26:58
I
26:58
lost
26:59
a
26:59
lot
26:59
of
26:59
business
26:59
in
27:00
October
27:01
because
27:02
of
27:02
Helene,
27:03
you
27:03
know,
27:04
and
27:04
you.
27:05
That
27:06
can
27:06
be
27:06
a
27:06
tough
27:06
thing
27:06
to
27:06
swallow.
27:07
I
27:07
mean,
27:07
luckily
27:08
had
27:08
a
27:09
large
27:09
majority
27:09
of
27:10
those
27:10
people
27:10
reschedule.
27:11
But
27:12
when
27:12
you're
27:12
counting
27:12
on
27:12
that
27:12
money
27:13
and
27:14
everything
27:14
can
27:15
be
27:15
seasonal,
27:15
luckily
27:16
we
27:16
have
27:16
a
27:16
year
27:16
round
27:17
fishery.
27:18
But
27:19
when
27:19
you're
27:19
counting
27:19
on
27:19
that
27:20
money,
27:20
and
27:20
I
27:20
know
27:20
there's
27:20
guys
27:20
who
27:21
had
27:21
it
27:21
a
27:22
lot
27:22
harder
27:22
than
27:22
me,
27:22
I'm
27:23
not,
27:23
not
27:23
saying
27:24
that,
27:24
you
27:25
know,
27:25
by
27:25
any
27:25
means,
27:25
but,
27:27
you
27:28
know,
27:28
because
27:28
all
27:28
I
27:28
did
27:28
was
27:29
lose
27:29
some
27:30
business.
27:30
But,
27:32
but
27:32
yeah,
27:32
it's
27:33
just,
27:33
it's,
27:33
it's
27:34
one
27:34
of
27:34
those
27:34
things
27:34
where
27:34
I
27:35
think,
27:35
people
27:35
think
27:35
that,
27:36
you
27:36
know,
27:36
you
27:36
just
27:36
start
27:37
guiding
27:37
and
27:37
it's
27:37
like,
27:37
boom.
27:38
Oh,
27:38
you
27:38
know,
27:39
your
27:39
schedule's
27:40
filled,
27:40
you
27:41
know,
27:41
you
27:41
know,
27:42
people
27:42
just,
27:42
they're.
27:43
Your
27:43
phone's
27:44
ringing
27:44
off
27:44
the
27:44
hook.
27:45
It
27:45
just,
27:46
it
27:46
definitely
27:46
takes
27:47
a
27:47
lot
27:47
of
27:47
hard
27:48
work.
27:48
It's
27:49
a
27:49
lot
27:49
of
27:49
hours
27:49
in
27:50
a
27:50
day
27:50
and
27:51
it's
27:51
a
27:51
lot
27:51
of
27:51
time,
27:51
you
27:52
know,
27:52
away
27:52
sometimes
27:53
from
27:53
people,
27:54
you
27:54
know,
27:54
loved
27:54
ones
27:55
and
27:55
family,
27:55
so.
27:55
And
27:56
friends.
27:57
I
27:57
would
27:58
say
27:58
that's
27:58
the
27:58
biggest
27:58
misconception.
28:00
Yeah.
28:00
And
28:00
I
28:00
think
28:00
too
28:01
that
28:01
a
28:01
lot
28:01
of
28:01
people
28:01
don't
28:02
really
28:02
kind
28:02
of
28:02
appreciate
28:03
that
28:03
kind
28:03
of
28:03
pre
28:04
work
28:04
and
28:04
post
28:04
work
28:05
every
28:05
day.
28:05
And
28:05
then
28:05
also
28:06
too,
28:06
like,
28:06
you
28:06
know,
28:07
I
28:07
talked
28:07
to
28:08
Blaine
28:08
about
28:08
it
28:08
and
28:08
it's
28:08
like,
28:09
you
28:09
know,
28:09
just
28:09
the
28:09
grinder
28:10
in
28:10
muskie
28:10
season.
28:11
It's
28:11
cold
28:12
right?
28:12
Every
28:12
morning.
28:13
Oh
28:13
God.
28:14
Right,
28:15
yeah.
28:15
And
28:15
I
28:15
mean,
28:16
you
28:16
know,
28:17
and
28:17
when
28:17
that
28:17
sun
28:17
drops
28:18
behind
28:18
the
28:18
mountains
28:18
in
28:19
the
28:19
afternoon,
28:19
it
28:19
gets
28:20
chilly,
28:20
right?
28:20
And
28:20
you
28:21
get
28:21
off
28:21
and
28:21
you've
28:21
been
28:21
cold
28:22
all
28:22
day
28:22
and
28:22
you
28:22
start
28:23
doing
28:23
that,
28:23
you
28:24
know,
28:24
if
28:24
you're
28:24
fishing
28:24
with
28:24
Blaine,
28:25
maybe
28:25
you
28:25
fish
28:25
with
28:25
him
28:26
one
28:26
day,
28:26
two
28:26
days,
28:26
maybe
28:27
three
28:27
days,
28:27
but
28:28
he's
28:28
doing
28:28
that
28:28
like
28:29
14
28:29
days
28:29
in
28:30
a
28:30
row.
28:30
20
28:30
days
28:30
in
28:31
a
28:31
row,
28:31
right?
28:33
Yeah.
28:33
You
28:33
know,
28:34
or
28:34
you
28:34
flip
28:34
it
28:34
around
28:35
like,
28:35
you
28:35
know,
28:36
top
28:37
water
28:37
fishing
28:37
for
28:37
smallmouth,
28:38
you
28:38
know,
28:38
it's
28:39
not
28:39
cool
28:40
in,
28:40
in
28:41
Virginia,
28:42
in
28:42
August,
28:43
in
28:43
July.
28:44
Yeah,
28:45
right.
28:45
And
28:45
so,
28:46
you
28:46
know,
28:46
as
28:46
I
28:46
always
28:46
say,
28:47
you
28:47
know,
28:47
the
28:47
fish
28:47
are
28:47
in
28:47
the
28:47
shade
28:48
and
28:48
you're
28:48
not.
28:49
Yeah,
28:50
it's
28:50
exactly
28:50
what
28:51
you
28:51
said.
28:51
I
28:51
mean,
28:51
we,
28:52
we've
28:52
got
28:52
a
28:52
year
28:52
round
28:53
fishery,
28:53
but
28:54
we
28:54
have
28:55
polar
28:55
like
28:56
extremes
28:57
and
28:57
weather.
28:58
I
28:58
don't
28:59
think
28:59
people
29:00
consider
29:01
how
29:01
cold
29:01
musky
29:02
days
29:02
can
29:02
be.
29:03
And
29:03
you
29:03
know,
29:04
granted,
29:04
there's
29:05
probably
29:05
some
29:05
guys
29:05
in
29:06
Michigan
29:07
that
29:07
would
29:07
laugh
29:07
at
29:07
that,
29:09
but,
29:09
you
29:10
know,
29:10
because
29:11
we
29:11
don't
29:11
have
29:11
it
29:12
that
29:12
cold.
29:12
But,
29:14
but
29:14
yeah,
29:15
it's,
29:16
it's
29:16
definitely
29:17
what
29:17
you
29:17
said.
29:17
And
29:17
I,
29:18
I
29:18
think
29:18
we
29:18
feel
29:18
it
29:19
the
29:19
most
29:19
during
29:19
muskie
29:20
season,
29:20
you
29:20
know,
29:20
because
29:21
you've
29:21
done
29:21
it
29:21
before,
29:22
you've
29:22
musky
29:22
fish
29:22
with
29:23
brain
29:23
and
29:24
it's
29:24
a,
29:24
it
29:25
can
29:25
be
29:25
a
29:25
grind.
29:25
And
29:26
when
29:26
you're
29:26
doing
29:26
it
29:27
almost
29:28
every
29:28
day
29:29
for,
29:30
you
29:30
know,
29:30
from
29:30
December
29:32
through
29:32
the
29:32
end
29:32
of
29:32
February,
29:34
by
29:34
the
29:34
end
29:35
of
29:35
it,
29:35
sometimes
29:35
I'm
29:36
like,
29:36
I'm
29:36
begging
29:37
for
29:38
pre
29:38
spawn
29:39
bass
29:39
days
29:39
because
29:40
those
29:40
days,
29:41
they
29:41
feel
29:41
short,
29:42
they
29:42
feel
29:42
cold.
29:43
You're
29:44
working
29:44
hard,
29:45
you
29:45
know,
29:45
clients
29:46
are
29:46
working
29:46
hard,
29:48
and
29:49
it's
29:49
still
29:49
the
29:50
same
29:50
thing.
29:50
You
29:50
know,
29:50
you're
29:50
getting
29:51
home
29:51
later,
29:52
you
29:53
know,
29:53
not
29:53
quite
29:53
as
29:53
late
29:54
as
29:54
you
29:54
do
29:54
with
29:54
summer
29:55
day
29:55
or
29:55
spring
29:56
bass
29:57
day,
29:57
but
29:58
we're
29:58
getting
29:58
home
29:58
late.
29:59
And
29:59
then
30:00
you've
30:00
got
30:00
a
30:00
lot
30:00
to
30:01
do,
30:01
you
30:01
know,
30:01
to
30:02
get
30:02
prepared
30:02
for
30:02
the
30:02
next
30:03
day,
30:03
whether
30:03
it's
30:03
the
30:03
same
30:04
clients
30:04
or
30:04
different
30:05
set
30:05
of
30:05
clients.
30:05
So,
30:06
so
30:07
yeah,
30:07
I
30:07
mean,
30:07
it's,
30:08
it's
30:08
definitely
30:08
a
30:08
grind,
30:09
but,
30:09
but
30:09
I,
30:10
I
30:10
do
30:10
love
30:10
it.
30:10
I
30:10
think
30:11
I
30:11
thrive
30:12
in
30:12
those
30:12
kind
30:13
of
30:13
scenarios.
30:13
Like
30:14
that
30:14
kind
30:14
of
30:14
controlled
30:15
chaos
30:16
is
30:16
where
30:16
I
30:16
do
30:16
my
30:17
best
30:17
work.
30:17
So.
30:19
Yeah,
30:19
well,
30:19
there
30:19
you
30:19
go.
30:20
Well,
30:20
you
30:20
know,
30:20
I
30:20
want
30:20
to
30:20
get
30:21
a
30:21
little
30:21
bit
30:21
more
30:21
detail
30:21
on
30:22
kind
30:22
of,
30:23
you
30:23
know,
30:23
the
30:23
background
30:24
story,
30:24
you
30:25
know,
30:25
the
30:26
creation
30:26
story
30:26
for
30:27
Virginia
30:27
trophy
30:28
guides.
30:28
Tell
30:28
us
30:28
a
30:28
little
30:28
bit.
30:29
You
30:29
know,
30:29
I'm
30:29
imagine
30:30
you
30:30
and
30:30
Josh
30:30
were
30:30
like
30:30
in
30:31
a
30:31
bar
30:31
somewhere
30:31
and
30:31
you're
30:31
like,
30:32
hey,
30:32
let's
30:32
start
30:32
a
30:32
guide
30:32
company.
30:33
Tell
30:34
us
30:34
that
30:34
story.
30:36
Well,
30:37
we
30:37
weren't,
30:37
we
30:37
weren't
30:37
in
30:38
a
30:38
bar
30:38
yet,
30:39
but,
30:40
but,
30:41
but,
30:42
but,
30:42
yeah,
30:42
so
30:43
we
30:43
were
30:43
definitely
30:43
probably
30:44
drinking
30:44
a
30:44
beer,
30:45
I
30:45
would
30:45
imagine,
30:45
or
30:46
cocktail
30:47
on,
30:47
on
30:47
his
30:47
end.
30:48
But,
30:50
but
30:50
yeah,
30:50
so
30:50
I,
30:50
you
30:51
know,
30:51
like
30:51
I
30:51
said,
30:51
I
30:51
worked
30:52
for
30:52
Knackneck
30:53
River
30:53
Camp
30:54
in
30:55
Bristol
30:55
Bay,
30:55
Alaska.
30:56
And
30:57
the
30:57
first
30:57
season
30:57
I
30:57
was
30:57
up
30:57
there
30:58
was
30:58
kind
30:58
of
30:58
like,
30:59
you
30:59
know,
30:59
getting
30:59
to
31:00
know
31:00
Josh
31:00
and,
31:01
you
31:01
know,
31:01
we
31:02
got
31:02
along
31:02
well
31:02
right
31:03
from
31:03
the
31:03
jump.
31:04
Very
31:05
similar
31:05
in
31:06
a
31:06
lot
31:06
of
31:06
ways
31:06
and
31:06
very
31:06
different
31:07
in
31:07
a
31:07
lot
31:07
of
31:07
ways.
31:07
And
31:08
I
31:08
think
31:08
we
31:09
mesh
31:09
well
31:09
that.
31:10
That
31:10
way.
31:10
And,
31:12
you
31:12
know,
31:12
it's
31:12
kind
31:12
of
31:12
like,
31:13
like
31:13
I
31:13
said,
31:13
it
31:13
was
31:14
that
31:14
awkward
31:14
moment
31:15
where
31:16
I've
31:16
never
31:16
wanted
31:16
to
31:17
step
31:17
on
31:17
anybody's
31:17
toes.
31:18
And
31:18
I
31:18
knew
31:19
who
31:19
he
31:19
was
31:20
and
31:20
I
31:20
was
31:20
familiar
31:21
with,
31:21
you
31:21
know,
31:21
he
31:21
had
31:22
had
31:22
other
31:22
companies
31:24
or
31:24
outfits
31:25
rather,
31:25
prior
31:25
to
31:26
Virginia
31:26
trophy
31:26
guides.
31:27
I
31:27
mean,
31:27
he's,
31:28
you
31:28
know,
31:28
other
31:28
than
31:28
Blaine.
31:29
I
31:29
mean,
31:29
he's
31:30
the
31:30
longest
31:31
standing,
31:32
you
31:32
know,
31:33
fly
31:33
fishing
31:34
guide
31:34
for
31:34
muskie
31:36
on
31:36
those
31:36
two
31:36
rivers
31:38
that's.
31:38
That's
31:38
still
31:39
in
31:39
operation.
31:40
And
31:40
so,
31:42
you
31:42
know,
31:42
I
31:42
was
31:43
familiar
31:43
with
31:43
him
31:44
growing
31:44
up
31:44
in
31:44
the,
31:45
in
31:45
the
31:45
area
31:45
and
31:45
just,
31:46
I
31:46
don't
31:46
know,
31:47
you
31:47
know,
31:47
liking.
31:48
Liking
31:48
the
31:48
fish
31:48
for
31:49
smallmouth
31:49
and
31:50
musky
31:50
and
31:50
whatnot.
31:51
And
31:51
so
31:51
I
31:52
kind
31:52
of
31:52
had
31:52
that
31:52
awkward
31:52
conversation
31:53
with
31:53
him
31:53
where
31:53
I
31:53
was
31:53
like,
31:54
hey,
31:54
man,
31:54
you
31:54
know,
31:55
like,
31:55
we're
31:55
moving
31:56
out
31:56
that
31:56
way,
31:57
you
31:57
know,
31:58
and,
31:58
you
31:58
know,
31:59
I
31:59
kind
31:59
of
31:59
like
31:59
to
31:59
guide
32:00
that
32:00
water,
32:01
you
32:01
know,
32:01
after
32:01
some
32:02
time
32:02
and
32:03
kind
32:03
of
32:03
dial
32:03
in
32:03
that
32:04
program
32:04
in.
32:04
And
32:05
he
32:05
was
32:05
a
32:05
lot
32:06
more
32:06
welcoming,
32:06
you
32:07
know,
32:07
or,
32:08
you
32:08
know,
32:08
you
32:08
always
32:08
expect
32:09
the
32:09
worst
32:09
when
32:09
you
32:09
have
32:10
conversations
32:10
like
32:10
that.
32:11
Right?
32:11
You
32:12
know,
32:13
and
32:13
so
32:14
he,
32:15
he
32:15
was
32:15
like,
32:15
that's
32:15
when
32:16
he
32:16
said,
32:17
you
32:17
know,
32:17
screw
32:17
it.
32:17
Let's
32:17
just.
32:18
We'll
32:18
just,
32:19
we'll
32:19
just
32:19
guide
32:20
together,
32:20
you
32:21
know,
32:21
just
32:21
come
32:21
work
32:22
with
32:22
me.
32:23
And
32:23
he
32:23
was
32:23
already
32:24
guiding
32:24
muskie
32:24
and
32:25
some
32:26
spring
32:26
bass,
32:27
you
32:27
know,
32:27
and
32:27
then
32:27
doing
32:28
his
32:28
Alaska
32:28
season.
32:29
The
32:29
only
32:29
thing
32:30
he
32:30
hadn't
32:30
done
32:30
in.
32:31
In
32:32
a
32:32
pretty
32:32
long
32:32
while
32:33
was
32:33
the
32:33
summer
32:33
bass.
32:34
He
32:34
had
32:34
kind
32:34
of,
32:35
um,
32:35
quit
32:36
doing
32:36
it
32:37
in
32:37
exchange
32:37
for
32:37
going
32:38
up
32:38
to
32:38
Alaska.
32:38
I
32:38
mean,
32:39
I
32:39
think
32:39
he's
32:39
on
32:39
his,
32:39
like,
32:40
10th
32:41
season
32:41
up
32:41
there.
32:41
So
32:41
he
32:41
hadn't
32:42
guided
32:43
summer
32:43
bass
32:44
for
32:44
about
32:44
10
32:44
years,
32:45
but
32:45
had
32:45
a,
32:46
you
32:46
know,
32:46
long
32:46
stretch.
32:47
Same,
32:48
you
32:48
know,
32:48
couple
32:49
decades
32:49
worth
32:49
of
32:50
muskie
32:51
and
32:51
spring
32:52
basketing.
32:52
And
32:52
so
32:53
it
32:53
was.
32:53
It
32:53
was
32:54
easy
32:54
to
32:54
jump
32:54
in
32:54
there
32:54
with
32:55
him.
32:55
And
32:56
I'm
32:56
sure
32:56
we,
32:56
you
32:57
know,
32:57
cheers
32:58
the
32:58
beer
32:58
and
32:58
a
32:59
cocktail
32:59
and
32:59
that
33:00
was
33:00
it.
33:00
And,
33:00
you
33:01
know,
33:01
he
33:01
was
33:02
super
33:02
good
33:02
to
33:02
me
33:03
from
33:03
the
33:03
jump.
33:03
You
33:04
know,
33:04
he
33:04
was
33:04
like,
33:04
look,
33:04
I
33:05
don't,
33:05
I
33:05
don't
33:05
want
33:05
to
33:05
be
33:06
anybody's
33:06
boss,
33:07
you
33:07
know,
33:08
because
33:08
this,
33:08
this
33:08
is
33:08
an
33:09
equal
33:09
partnership,
33:11
you
33:11
know,
33:11
so
33:12
I'm
33:12
thankful
33:13
for
33:13
that,
33:14
you
33:14
know,
33:15
because
33:16
he's
33:17
just.
33:17
He's
33:18
a
33:18
very
33:18
selfless
33:19
guy
33:19
to
33:19
work
33:20
with,
33:20
that's
33:20
for
33:20
sure.
33:22
Yeah,
33:22
got
33:22
it.
33:23
And
33:23
so
33:23
we've
33:23
got
33:24
Virginia
33:24
trophy
33:24
guides
33:25
guiding
33:25
musky,
33:26
Guiding
33:26
small
33:27
mouth.
33:27
Are
33:27
you
33:27
doing
33:28
other
33:28
species
33:28
or,
33:29
you
33:29
know,
33:29
doing
33:29
trout
33:30
or
33:30
is
33:30
it
33:30
predominantly
33:31
smallmouth
33:31
and
33:31
musky?
33:33
Yeah,
33:34
so
33:34
he,
33:34
he
33:35
had
33:35
always
33:36
done
33:37
smallmouth
33:38
or,
33:38
sorry,
33:39
always
33:39
done
33:39
trout
33:40
on
33:41
a
33:41
couple
33:41
of
33:41
the
33:41
tail
33:41
waters.
33:42
We
33:43
kind
33:43
of
33:43
got
33:43
away
33:44
from
33:44
that
33:46
in
33:46
the
33:46
last
33:46
couple
33:47
years.
33:48
We,
33:48
I
33:49
mean,
33:49
on
33:49
occasion
33:50
we'll
33:50
go
33:50
down
33:50
there
33:50
and
33:51
like
33:51
in
33:51
an
33:51
emergency
33:52
type
33:52
scenario
33:53
where,
33:54
you
33:54
know,
33:54
somebody's
33:55
in
33:55
town,
33:55
you
33:56
know,
33:56
they
33:56
don't
33:56
want
33:56
to
33:56
reschedule,
33:57
they
33:58
can't
33:58
reschedule,
33:59
things
34:00
like
34:00
that.
34:01
And
34:01
we
34:01
will
34:02
go
34:02
do
34:02
some
34:02
tailwater
34:03
trout
34:03
work,
34:03
but
34:04
it's,
34:04
it's
34:04
not
34:04
something
34:05
we
34:05
advertise
34:05
anymore.
34:06
We're
34:07
primarily
34:07
fishing
34:08
smallmouth
34:09
bass
34:09
and
34:09
muskie
34:11
on
34:11
a
34:11
few
34:11
watersheds
34:12
that
34:12
are,
34:13
that
34:13
are
34:13
kind
34:13
of
34:14
in
34:14
a
34:14
good
34:14
radius
34:15
of
34:16
Roanoke,
34:16
Virginia,
34:16
where
34:17
the
34:17
company
34:17
is.
34:18
Based
34:18
out
34:18
of
34:20
Gotcha.
34:20
So
34:20
that
34:21
means
34:21
you're
34:21
probably
34:21
what,
34:22
you
34:23
know,
34:23
trout
34:23
pinch
34:23
is
34:24
your
34:24
fish
34:24
in
34:24
the
34:24
Jackson
34:25
and
34:25
then
34:26
smallmouth
34:26
probably
34:26
what,
34:27
like
34:27
the
34:27
New
34:27
river,
34:28
the
34:29
James.
34:29
Right.
34:30
Yeah,
34:31
yeah.
34:31
So
34:32
for,
34:32
for
34:33
trout
34:33
it
34:33
was,
34:34
it
34:34
was
34:34
the
34:34
Jackson
34:35
and
34:35
the
34:35
Smith,
34:36
which
34:36
again,
34:37
both
34:37
of
34:37
which
34:38
are,
34:38
that's
34:38
the
34:38
nice
34:39
thing
34:39
about
34:39
Roanoke
34:39
is
34:40
within,
34:41
you
34:41
know,
34:43
a
34:43
good
34:43
radius
34:44
of,
34:44
of
34:45
Roanoke.
34:46
There's
34:46
tons
34:47
of
34:47
great
34:47
fishing
34:48
opportunities.
34:49
So
34:49
it
34:50
really
34:50
wasn't
34:51
that
34:51
bad
34:51
to
34:51
get
34:52
to
34:52
the
34:52
Jackson
34:53
or
34:53
even
34:53
the
34:54
Smith.
34:54
I
34:54
mean,
34:54
the
34:54
Smith
34:55
is,
34:55
is
34:56
a
34:56
lot
34:56
closer
34:57
than
34:57
people
34:57
give
34:57
it
34:57
credit
34:58
for.
34:58
So.
34:58
And
34:58
the
34:59
Smith
34:59
is
34:59
a
34:59
great
34:59
tailwater
35:00
trout
35:00
fisher.
35:01
And
35:02
so
35:02
we
35:02
did
35:02
some
35:02
of
35:02
that.
35:03
And
35:03
like
35:03
I
35:03
said,
35:03
we
35:04
still,
35:04
we
35:04
still
35:05
will.
35:06
It's
35:06
very
35:06
rare.
35:08
And
35:08
then
35:09
smallmouth
35:10
is
35:10
on
35:10
the
35:11
New
35:11
river
35:11
and
35:12
on
35:12
the
35:12
James
35:12
we
35:13
fish
35:13
both
35:14
a
35:14
little
35:14
bit
35:14
of
35:15
the
35:15
Upper
35:15
New
35:16
and
35:16
then
35:16
primarily
35:17
the
35:17
Lower
35:17
New
35:17
or
35:18
what
35:18
Virginians
35:19
know
35:19
is
35:19
the
35:19
lower
35:19
New
35:20
from
35:21
Radford
35:22
to
35:22
about
35:22
the
35:22
West
35:22
Virginia
35:23
line
35:23
and
35:24
then
35:24
muskie,
35:25
same
35:25
thing.
35:26
Upper
35:27
James
35:28
from
35:28
its
35:29
headwaters
35:30
to,
35:31
you
35:31
know,
35:31
about
35:31
Balcony
35:32
Falls
35:32
for
35:33
both
35:33
smallmouth
35:33
and
35:33
muskie
35:35
and
35:35
then
35:36
muskie
35:37
on
35:37
the
35:37
New
35:38
river
35:38
as
35:38
well.
35:40
Got
35:40
it.
35:40
And
35:40
you
35:41
know,
35:41
as
35:41
you've
35:41
mentioned
35:41
to
35:41
folks,
35:42
you've
35:42
got
35:42
a
35:42
year
35:42
round
35:43
fishery.
35:43
So
35:43
why
35:43
don't
35:43
we
35:44
kind
35:44
of
35:44
walk
35:44
through
35:45
kind
35:45
of
35:45
what
35:45
the
35:45
guide
35:45
season
35:46
looks
35:46
like.
35:46
We'll
35:46
just
35:47
start
35:47
like,
35:48
why
35:48
don't
35:48
we
35:48
start,
35:49
you
35:49
know,
35:49
end
35:50
of
35:50
October,
35:50
beginning
35:50
of
35:50
November
35:51
and
35:51
we'll
35:51
just
35:51
go
35:51
all
35:51
the
35:51
way
35:52
around
35:52
the
35:52
calendar
35:52
and
35:52
you
35:52
can
35:52
kind
35:53
of
35:53
tell
35:53
us
35:53
like,
35:54
you
35:54
know,
35:54
what
35:54
you're
35:55
looking
35:55
for
35:55
or
35:55
what
35:56
the
35:56
opportunities
35:56
are
35:56
for
35:57
the
35:57
angler.
35:59
Yeah.
35:59
So
36:00
this
36:00
time
36:00
of
36:01
year,
36:02
you
36:02
know
36:02
that,
36:02
that
36:03
late
36:03
fall
36:04
Getting
36:04
into
36:04
November,
36:06
it's
36:06
really
36:07
transitional
36:08
for
36:08
us
36:09
and
36:10
you
36:10
know,
36:10
we're,
36:10
we're
36:11
shifting
36:12
hard
36:12
from,
36:13
from
36:13
smallmouth
36:14
bass
36:14
fishing
36:15
to,
36:15
to
36:15
muskie
36:16
fishing.
36:17
And
36:18
you
36:18
know,
36:19
it's
36:19
kind
36:19
of
36:19
your,
36:20
your
36:20
last
36:21
days
36:22
of
36:22
smallmouth
36:23
fishing.
36:23
So,
36:24
you
36:24
know,
36:24
those
36:24
bigger
36:25
fish
36:25
are,
36:25
are
36:26
putting
36:26
the
36:27
feedback
36:27
on.
36:28
The
36:28
minnow
36:29
bite
36:29
is
36:29
good.
36:30
Bait
36:30
fish
36:30
bites
36:30
good.
36:32
So
36:32
fishing
36:33
streamers,
36:33
you
36:33
know,
36:33
when
36:34
it's
36:34
low
36:34
and
36:34
clear
36:34
like
36:35
this
36:35
and
36:35
cooling,
36:37
you
36:37
know,
36:37
well,
36:37
we're,
36:38
you
36:39
know,
36:39
I,
36:39
I've
36:39
got
36:40
two
36:40
extremes
36:40
right
36:40
now.
36:41
So
36:41
the
36:41
James
36:41
is
36:43
low
36:43
and
36:43
clear,
36:44
knee
36:44
high
36:44
on
36:44
a
36:45
duck.
36:45
And
36:46
you
36:46
know,
36:47
the
36:47
new
36:47
is
36:48
very
36:48
off
36:48
color
36:50
still
36:50
from
36:51
Helene
36:51
because
36:51
of
36:51
the
36:52
dam
36:52
fed
36:53
factor.
36:54
So
36:54
you've
36:55
still
36:55
got
36:55
some
36:55
green
36:55
water
36:56
over
36:56
there.
36:56
It's,
36:56
it's,
36:57
it's
36:57
straining
36:58
in,
36:58
in
36:58
a
36:58
good
36:58
direction,
36:59
but
36:59
it
37:00
can
37:00
make
37:00
for
37:00
good
37:01
late
37:01
season
37:02
smallmouth
37:02
fishing.
37:03
Low
37:03
and
37:03
clear.
37:05
It
37:06
can
37:06
be
37:06
tough
37:06
with,
37:07
with
37:07
rapidly
37:07
cooling
37:08
water.
37:08
Um,
37:09
even
37:09
when
37:09
they're
37:10
trying
37:10
to
37:10
put
37:10
the
37:10
feedback
37:10
on,
37:11
they're
37:11
real
37:11
spooky,
37:12
you
37:12
know,
37:13
really
37:13
lethargic
37:14
mornings.
37:15
And
37:15
you
37:16
know,
37:16
your
37:16
best
37:16
bite
37:17
is
37:17
lunchtime
37:18
to,
37:19
you
37:19
know,
37:19
3,
37:20
4pm,
37:21
5pm
37:21
and
37:21
then
37:22
it
37:22
gets
37:22
cool
37:22
in
37:23
the
37:23
evenings
37:24
and
37:24
they
37:24
kind
37:24
of,
37:24
they
37:25
can
37:25
shut
37:25
off
37:25
again.
37:25
So
37:26
we
37:26
don't,
37:27
I
37:27
mean
37:28
the,
37:29
we
37:29
don't
37:29
do
37:29
a
37:30
ton
37:30
of
37:31
late,
37:31
late
37:31
fall
37:31
smallmouth.
37:33
You
37:33
know,
37:33
I
37:33
kind
37:33
of
37:33
comfortably
37:34
book
37:34
out,
37:35
you
37:35
know,
37:35
all
37:35
the
37:36
way
37:36
through,
37:37
I
37:37
would
37:37
say
37:38
second
37:38
week
37:39
of
37:39
October
37:39
under
37:40
normal
37:40
circumstances.
37:42
And
37:42
then
37:43
if
37:43
the
37:43
conditions
37:44
are
37:44
good,
37:44
you
37:45
know,
37:45
we've
37:45
got
37:45
a,
37:46
a
37:46
good
37:46
set
37:46
of
37:47
clients
37:47
that
37:47
we
37:47
just
37:47
reach
37:48
out
37:48
to,
37:48
you
37:48
know,
37:49
say
37:49
third
37:49
week,
37:49
fourth
37:50
week
37:50
of
37:50
October,
37:50
we
37:50
got
37:51
green
37:51
water
37:51
and
37:52
the
37:52
fishing's
37:53
good.
37:54
You
37:54
know,
37:55
hey,
37:55
you
37:55
know,
37:55
if
37:56
you
37:56
want
37:56
to
37:56
get
37:56
out,
37:57
you
37:57
know,
37:57
one
37:58
of
37:58
us
37:58
has
37:58
got
37:58
Tuesday
37:59
or
37:59
Thursday.
38:00
So
38:00
that's
38:00
kind
38:00
of
38:00
how
38:00
we
38:01
fill
38:01
in
38:01
that,
38:01
those
38:01
kind
38:02
of
38:02
last
38:02
days
38:03
of
38:03
small
38:03
mouth.
38:05
And
38:05
then
38:06
right
38:06
about
38:06
October
38:08
1st
38:08
to
38:09
like
38:09
that
38:09
second
38:10
week
38:10
of
38:10
October,
38:11
the
38:11
temps
38:12
will
38:12
be
38:12
good
38:13
for,
38:13
for
38:14
muskie
38:14
fishing
38:15
after,
38:15
you
38:15
know,
38:15
really
38:16
hot,
38:16
arduous
38:17
summer
38:17
for
38:17
them.
38:18
And
38:19
that's
38:19
when
38:19
we
38:19
start
38:20
doing
38:20
a
38:20
lot
38:20
of
38:20
our
38:20
fall
38:21
muskie
38:21
fishing.
38:23
It's
38:23
actually
38:24
a
38:24
great
38:24
time
38:25
of
38:25
year
38:25
for
38:25
the
38:25
fly
38:25
rod.
38:26
It's
38:26
where
38:26
we
38:27
shine
38:28
and
38:28
you
38:28
know,
38:28
you're
38:29
dealing
38:29
with
38:29
low,
38:29
clear
38:30
water
38:30
typically.
38:32
And
38:33
you
38:34
know,
38:34
the,
38:35
that's
38:35
where
38:35
that
38:36
kind
38:36
of
38:36
subtle
38:37
fly,
38:38
you
38:38
know,
38:38
fly
38:38
entry
38:39
to
38:39
the
38:39
water,
38:40
less
38:41
noise
38:41
in
38:41
a
38:41
fly
38:42
than
38:42
say,
38:42
like
38:43
gear.
38:43
And
38:44
when
38:44
they're
38:45
super
38:45
spooky
38:45
in
38:45
the
38:46
fall,
38:46
which
38:46
they
38:46
can
38:47
be,
38:47
you
38:47
know,
38:47
especially
38:48
as
38:48
you
38:48
get
38:48
into
38:49
November
38:49
and
38:49
they've
38:50
Been
38:50
targeted
38:50
now
38:51
for
38:51
a
38:51
month
38:52
with
38:52
these,
38:53
you
38:53
know,
38:53
normal
38:54
temperatures
38:54
or
38:55
safe
38:55
temperatures
38:56
to
38:56
fish
38:56
them.
38:57
Didn't
38:57
get
38:57
spooky.
38:58
I
38:58
mean,
38:58
it's
38:59
just
38:59
being
38:59
out,
39:00
you
39:00
know,
39:01
the
39:02
other
39:02
day,
39:02
you
39:02
know,
39:03
you're.
39:03
You're
39:04
moving
39:04
10
39:05
to
39:05
15
39:05
fish
39:06
in
39:06
a
39:06
day,
39:07
and,
39:07
you
39:08
know,
39:08
you're.
39:08
You're
39:09
hoping
39:09
for
39:09
one
39:09
to
39:10
eat
39:10
away
39:10
from
39:10
the
39:10
boat,
39:11
and
39:11
so
39:11
you're
39:12
maybe
39:12
having
39:12
three
39:13
eats,
39:14
you
39:14
know,
39:14
one
39:14
of
39:14
them
39:15
stays
39:15
on.
39:16
And
39:16
that's,
39:17
you
39:17
know,
39:17
those
39:17
are.
39:18
Those
39:18
are
39:18
good
39:19
expectations
39:20
because
39:20
if
39:21
they
39:21
make
39:21
it
39:21
to
39:21
the
39:21
boat
39:22
in
39:22
this
39:22
low,
39:22
clear
39:23
water,
39:24
they're
39:25
probably
39:25
going
39:25
to
39:25
be
39:25
looking
39:26
at
39:26
you,
39:26
and
39:27
you're
39:27
going
39:27
to
39:27
be
39:27
looking
39:27
at
39:28
them.
39:28
And
39:28
it's.
39:29
I
39:29
mean,
39:29
it's
39:30
just
39:30
that
39:30
awkward
39:30
moment
39:31
to
39:31
watch
39:31
them
39:31
turn
39:32
and
39:32
swim
39:33
off
39:34
because,
39:34
I
39:34
mean,
39:34
you
39:35
can.
39:35
We
39:36
always
39:36
joke,
39:36
you
39:36
can,
39:37
you
39:37
can
39:37
read
39:37
a
39:38
magazine
39:38
at
39:38
the
39:38
bottom
39:38
of
39:39
a
39:39
hole
39:39
in
39:40
the
39:40
river
39:40
when
39:40
it's
39:40
like
39:41
this.
39:42
Yeah,
39:42
it's
39:42
interesting
39:43
you
39:43
say
39:43
that
39:43
because
39:44
even
39:44
in,
39:44
like,
39:44
downtown
39:44
Lynchburg,
39:45
there
39:45
used
39:45
to
39:45
be
39:45
a
39:45
lot
39:46
of
39:46
heavy
39:46
industry
39:46
there
39:47
when
39:47
I
39:47
was
39:48
a
39:48
kid.
39:48
And
39:48
I
39:48
mean,
39:48
the
39:49
water's
39:49
so
39:49
clear
39:49
at
39:49
the
39:50
dam
39:50
down
39:50
there,
39:50
it
39:51
kind
39:51
of
39:51
blows
39:51
you
39:51
away.
39:53
Yeah,
39:54
yeah.
39:54
So,
39:55
I
39:55
mean,
39:55
it,
39:55
you
39:55
know,
39:55
it's
39:56
nice
39:56
that
39:56
we
39:56
don't.
39:57
We
39:57
don't
39:57
deal
39:57
with
39:58
that.
39:58
I
39:58
don't
39:58
spend
39:58
a
39:58
lot
39:59
of
39:59
time
39:59
down
39:59
there,
39:59
but
39:59
I've.
40:00
Not
40:00
the
40:00
first
40:00
time
40:00
I've
40:01
heard
40:01
it.
40:01
It's
40:01
nice
40:01
that
40:02
we
40:02
don't
40:02
deal
40:02
with
40:03
as
40:03
much
40:04
of
40:04
those
40:05
factors
40:06
particularly
40:07
on
40:07
the
40:07
James
40:07
anymore.
40:08
And
40:09
obviously
40:09
the
40:09
Upper
40:09
James
40:10
has
40:10
had
40:10
its
40:10
fair
40:11
share
40:11
of
40:12
problems
40:12
as
40:12
well.
40:12
But,
40:14
you
40:14
know,
40:14
coming
40:14
out
40:14
of
40:15
the.
40:15
The
40:15
Jackson
40:16
and
40:16
Cow
40:16
Pasture
40:17
watersheds.
40:17
But,
40:19
but
40:19
yeah,
40:20
I
40:20
mean,
40:20
that's,
40:21
that's
40:21
par
40:21
for
40:21
the
40:22
course.
40:22
This
40:22
time
40:22
of
40:22
year
40:23
is
40:23
pretty
40:23
much
40:24
low
40:24
and
40:24
clear.
40:24
I
40:25
mean,
40:25
crystal
40:25
clear,
40:25
tap
40:26
water
40:26
clear.
40:27
And
40:27
then
40:27
as
40:28
we
40:28
get
40:28
into,
40:28
you
40:29
know,
40:29
December,
40:30
if
40:30
you
40:30
want
40:30
me
40:30
to
40:31
keep
40:31
moving
40:31
on,
40:32
if
40:32
we
40:32
get
40:33
into
40:33
that,
40:33
that
40:33
winter
40:35
time
40:35
frame,
40:35
typically
40:36
what
40:36
you
40:36
see
40:36
is
40:37
like,
40:37
October
40:37
and
40:38
November
40:39
can
40:39
be
40:39
like,
40:40
low
40:40
precipitation.
40:41
Particularly
40:42
October
40:42
can
40:43
be
40:43
low
40:43
precipitation
40:44
months
40:44
in
40:45
Appalachia.
40:46
And
40:46
so
40:47
once
40:47
you
40:47
get
40:47
into
40:48
that
40:48
November
40:48
and
40:49
December,
40:49
that's
40:49
when
40:49
we
40:50
start
40:50
getting
40:50
some
40:50
of
40:50
those
40:50
winter,
40:51
you
40:51
know,
40:52
rains
40:52
and
40:53
sometimes
40:54
snow
40:55
and,
40:56
you
40:56
know,
40:56
you'll
40:56
start
40:56
to
40:57
get
40:57
higher
40:58
water
40:58
flows
40:59
and
40:59
you'll
41:00
get
41:00
that
41:00
green
41:00
of
41:00
the
41:01
water.
41:01
And
41:02
that's
41:02
kind
41:02
of
41:02
like
41:03
the
41:03
stuff
41:03
that
41:03
we
41:03
love
41:04
in
41:04
the
41:04
winter.
41:05
You
41:05
know,
41:05
it
41:06
makes
41:07
some
41:07
of
41:07
those,
41:07
you
41:08
know,
41:08
you're
41:08
obviously
41:08
fishing
41:09
bigger
41:09
fly
41:09
patterns.
41:10
You
41:10
know,
41:11
I
41:11
didn't
41:11
really
41:11
touch
41:11
on
41:11
it
41:12
too
41:12
much,
41:12
but
41:12
in
41:12
the
41:12
fall,
41:14
you
41:14
know,
41:14
whether
41:14
it's,
41:14
it's
41:15
smallmouth,
41:15
you're
41:16
using
41:16
small
41:17
streamers,
41:17
sometimes
41:18
going
41:18
to
41:18
the
41:18
bottom
41:19
and
41:19
with
41:19
muskie,
41:20
I
41:20
mean,
41:20
this
41:20
time
41:20
of
41:21
year
41:21
is
41:21
great
41:21
for
41:21
people
41:21
who've
41:22
always
41:23
wanted
41:23
to
41:23
try
41:24
muskie
41:24
fishing
41:24
because
41:25
your
41:25
number,
41:25
you
41:26
do
41:26
see
41:26
a
41:26
lot
41:26
more
41:26
fish.
41:27
And
41:27
then,
41:28
you
41:29
know,
41:29
we're
41:29
using
41:29
7
41:30
inch
41:30
flies
41:30
versus
41:31
12
41:31
inch
41:31
flies.
41:33
You
41:33
know,
41:33
it's
41:33
low
41:33
and
41:33
clear.
41:34
We're
41:34
using
41:34
light
41:34
on
41:35
flash.
41:35
A
41:36
lot
41:36
of
41:36
times
41:36
we're
41:36
using
41:36
10
41:37
weights
41:37
with
41:37
intermediates
41:38
rather
41:38
than
41:38
12
41:38
weights
41:39
and
41:39
full
41:39
sinking
41:40
lines.
41:40
So
41:41
this
41:41
time
41:41
of
41:41
year,
41:41
going
41:42
back
41:42
to
41:42
it
41:42
a
41:42
little
41:42
bit
41:43
can
41:43
be
41:43
great
41:44
if
41:44
you've
41:44
ever
41:44
wanted
41:45
to
41:45
try,
41:45
you
41:45
know,
41:46
muskie
41:46
fishing
41:47
on
41:47
the
41:47
fly.
41:48
And
41:48
then
41:48
as
41:48
we
41:48
get
41:48
into,
41:49
you
41:49
know,
41:49
your
41:49
December,
41:50
January,
41:51
February,
41:53
we're,
41:53
we're
41:53
not
41:54
doing
41:54
really
41:55
any
41:55
smallmouth
41:56
fishing.
41:57
You
41:57
know,
41:57
as
41:57
we
41:57
get
41:58
into
41:58
late
41:58
February,
41:59
we'll,
41:59
we'll
41:59
start
41:59
to
42:00
pick
42:00
it
42:00
back
42:00
up
42:00
for
42:01
sure.
42:01
Especially
42:02
as
42:02
we've
42:02
had,
42:03
you
42:03
know,
42:04
higher
42:04
or
42:05
warmer
42:06
average
42:06
winters
42:08
in
42:08
the
42:08
last
42:08
five,
42:09
ten
42:09
years.
42:10
But,
42:12
but
42:12
yeah,
42:12
so
42:12
we're
42:13
not
42:13
doing
42:13
much
42:13
smallmouth
42:14
fishing.
42:14
It's.
42:14
Musky
42:15
is
42:15
100%
42:16
the
42:16
focus
42:17
for
42:17
the
42:17
most
42:17
part.
42:17
And
42:18
it's
42:18
when
42:18
you're
42:18
getting
42:19
your
42:19
higher
42:19
average
42:19
flows,
42:20
your
42:20
greener
42:20
water,
42:21
they're
42:22
eating
42:22
bigger
42:23
forage.
42:23
So
42:24
that's
42:24
like
42:24
what
42:25
people
42:25
think
42:25
of
42:26
as
42:27
your,
42:27
you
42:27
know,
42:28
traditional
42:28
12
42:29
weight,
42:29
full
42:30
sinking
42:30
line,
42:31
grinding
42:31
it
42:31
out
42:32
with
42:32
big
42:32
flies,
42:33
heavy,
42:34
you
42:34
know,
42:34
heavy
42:35
tackle,
42:36
heavy
42:36
flies.
42:38
And
42:39
that's
42:39
kind
42:39
of
42:39
at
42:40
times
42:40
what
42:40
can
42:40
put
42:41
people
42:41
off
42:41
from
42:41
muskie
42:41
fishing.
42:42
And,
42:43
and
42:44
Josh,
42:44
you
42:44
know,
42:45
always
42:45
stressed
42:45
that,
42:46
you
42:46
know,
42:46
talking
42:47
to
42:47
people
42:47
is
42:47
like,
42:47
obviously
42:48
musky
42:48
is
42:48
not
42:49
a
42:49
game
42:50
for
42:50
somebody
42:51
who
42:51
just
42:51
bought
42:51
a
42:51
fly
42:52
rod.
42:52
I,
42:52
I,
42:53
you
42:53
know,
42:53
I
42:53
would
42:53
never,
42:54
you
42:55
know,
42:55
try
42:55
to
42:55
sell
42:55
somebody
42:56
a
42:56
musky
42:56
day
42:58
that's,
42:58
that's
42:59
really
42:59
green,
42:59
you
43:00
know,
43:00
because
43:00
they're
43:00
not
43:00
going
43:00
to
43:00
go
43:00
out
43:00
and
43:01
have
43:01
a
43:01
good
43:01
time
43:01
and
43:02
they're
43:03
going
43:03
to
43:03
struggle.
43:03
And
43:04
you
43:04
know,
43:04
I've
43:04
seen
43:04
people
43:05
who
43:05
are,
43:06
who,
43:07
who
43:07
are,
43:08
you
43:08
know,
43:09
on
43:09
the
43:09
newer
43:10
end
43:10
of,
43:11
of
43:11
anglers,
43:12
had
43:12
great
43:12
days
43:13
and
43:13
catch
43:13
a
43:13
fish
43:14
on
43:14
the
43:14
first
43:14
cast
43:15
or,
43:15
you
43:16
know,
43:16
what,
43:16
what
43:16
have
43:16
you,
43:17
but
43:17
it's
43:17
not
43:17
something
43:18
that
43:18
we
43:18
would
43:18
ever
43:18
necessarily
43:19
push.
43:19
But
43:19
I
43:20
think
43:20
that,
43:20
you
43:20
know,
43:20
Josh
43:21
are
43:21
the
43:21
best.
43:21
Like
43:21
if
43:22
you,
43:22
if
43:23
you
43:23
have
43:23
a
43:23
good,
43:24
like
43:25
if
43:26
good
43:26
set
43:26
of
43:27
fundamental,
43:28
like
43:28
in,
43:28
in
43:29
casting
43:30
and
43:30
line
43:31
management
43:31
and
43:31
all
43:31
these
43:32
things,
43:32
we
43:33
can
43:33
work
43:33
with
43:33
that.
43:33
And,
43:34
and
43:34
I
43:34
think
43:34
people
43:34
get
43:35
put
43:35
off
43:35
from
43:35
muskie
43:36
fishing
43:36
more
43:37
than
43:37
they
43:37
should.
43:38
And
43:38
there's
43:39
kind
43:39
of
43:39
a
43:39
misconception
43:40
that,
43:40
you
43:41
know,
43:41
it's
43:41
either
43:42
you
43:42
know,
43:42
a,
43:43
you
43:43
know,
43:44
like
43:44
big
43:44
bearded
43:45
dudes
43:45
game,
43:46
you
43:46
know,
43:47
covered
43:47
in
43:47
tattoos
43:48
or
43:48
whatever.
43:49
And,
43:49
and
43:50
you
43:50
know,
43:51
you
43:51
gotta
43:51
be
43:52
strong
43:52
to
43:52
cast
43:53
these
43:53
lines.
43:54
And,
43:54
and
43:54
I
43:54
don't
43:54
think
43:55
that's
43:55
the
43:55
case.
43:56
Case
43:56
or
43:56
the
43:56
Cassidy's
43:57
rods.
43:57
I
43:57
mean,
43:57
I
43:58
don't
43:58
think
43:58
that's
43:58
the
43:58
case
43:58
whatsoever.
44:00
If
44:00
you
44:00
have
44:00
that
44:01
strong
44:01
set
44:01
of
44:01
fundamentals.
44:02
I
44:02
think
44:03
anybody
44:03
can,
44:04
can
44:04
musky
44:05
fish
44:05
and
44:05
can
44:06
be
44:06
successful.
44:07
But
44:07
that
44:07
is,
44:08
you
44:08
know,
44:08
your
44:08
winter
44:09
is
44:09
when
44:10
it
44:10
is
44:10
the
44:10
most
44:10
arduous
44:11
for
44:11
sure.
44:12
You
44:12
know,
44:12
12
44:12
weights,
44:13
500
44:13
grain
44:13
sinking
44:14
lines,
44:15
12
44:15
inch
44:15
flies,
44:16
sometimes
44:16
10
44:16
inch
44:17
flies.
44:18
And
44:19
you
44:19
know,
44:19
obviously
44:19
your,
44:20
your
44:20
numbers
44:21
go
44:21
down.
44:22
You're,
44:22
you're
44:22
targeting
44:23
a
44:23
lot
44:23
of
44:23
the
44:23
larger
44:24
fish
44:25
in
44:25
the
44:25
system
44:25
that
44:26
time
44:26
of
44:26
year.
44:27
And
44:27
whereas,
44:28
you
44:28
know,
44:29
this
44:29
week
44:29
we
44:30
may
44:30
move
44:30
15
44:31
fish
44:31
in
44:31
a
44:31
day,
44:32
you
44:32
know,
44:32
in
44:32
December,
44:33
January,
44:33
February,
44:34
we
44:35
may
44:35
only
44:35
move
44:35
four,
44:36
you
44:36
know,
44:36
or
44:37
two
44:37
or
44:38
one
44:38
or
44:39
sometimes
44:39
none.
44:40
I
44:40
don't
44:41
care
44:41
what
44:41
anybody
44:42
tells
44:42
you.
44:42
There
44:42
are
44:42
days
44:43
where
44:43
you
44:44
go
44:44
out
44:44
on
44:44
a
44:44
fly
44:44
rod
44:45
fishing
44:45
for
44:45
muskie
44:46
and
44:46
you
44:46
don't
44:46
see
44:46
him.
44:47
It
44:48
just,
44:48
it
44:48
happens
44:49
and
44:50
you're
44:51
basically
44:51
taking
44:51
a
44:51
hard
44:52
game
44:52
and
44:52
making
44:52
it
44:52
harder.
44:53
You
44:54
know,
44:54
they're,
44:54
they're
44:54
extremely
44:55
sensitive
44:55
lateral
44:56
line
44:56
feeders
44:57
and
44:57
we're
44:57
trying
44:57
to
44:58
feed
44:58
them
44:58
bucktail
44:59
and
45:00
flash
45:00
and
45:01
feathers,
45:02
you
45:02
know,
45:02
so
45:03
we're,
45:03
we're
45:03
at
45:03
a
45:04
little
45:04
bit
45:04
of
45:04
a
45:04
disadvantage
45:05
when
45:05
you've
45:05
got
45:05
those
45:06
normal
45:06
winter
45:07
flows.
45:07
And
45:08
so
45:08
we're
45:09
kind
45:09
of
45:09
targeting,
45:10
you
45:10
know,
45:10
those
45:10
slow
45:11
pools,
45:12
you
45:12
know,
45:13
deep
45:13
ledges,
45:14
submerged
45:15
timber,
45:16
all
45:16
those
45:16
kind
45:16
of
45:16
things
45:17
where,
45:18
you
45:18
know,
45:18
they
45:18
kind
45:19
of
45:19
have
45:19
their
45:19
winter
45:19
haunts.
45:20
And
45:22
as
45:22
we
45:23
kind
45:23
of
45:23
get
45:23
into
45:23
that
45:24
late
45:24
winter,
45:25
February,
45:26
early
45:27
March,
45:27
you
45:27
know,
45:28
that's
45:28
when
45:28
their
45:28
smallmouth
45:29
rods
45:29
start
45:29
to
45:30
come
45:30
out
45:30
and
45:31
we
45:31
start
45:31
doing
45:31
a
45:31
lot
45:31
of
45:32
early
45:32
season
45:33
pre
45:34
spawn
45:34
guiding
45:35
for
45:36
smallmouth.
45:36
And
45:37
they
45:37
were
45:37
still
45:38
musky
45:38
fishing
45:39
guiding
45:40
typically
45:40
up
45:41
until
45:41
about
45:41
March
45:42
10th.
45:43
Muskie
45:44
really
45:44
won't
45:44
spawn
45:46
on
45:47
an
45:47
average
45:47
year
45:47
until
45:49
third
45:49
week,
45:50
fourth
45:50
week
45:50
of
45:51
March,
45:51
unless
45:51
we
45:51
have
45:52
an
45:52
exceptionally
45:52
warm
45:53
winter,
45:53
which
45:54
we
45:54
have
45:54
been
45:54
trending
45:55
towards
45:55
that
45:55
every
45:56
year.
45:57
But
45:58
we
45:58
mainly
45:58
put
45:58
the
45:58
musky
45:59
rods
45:59
down
46:00
in
46:00
that
46:00
early
46:01
spring
46:01
because
46:02
the
46:02
bass
46:02
fishing
46:03
gets
46:03
hot.
46:04
And
46:04
you
46:05
know,
46:05
that's
46:05
your
46:05
best
46:05
time
46:06
to
46:06
catch
46:06
as
46:07
you
46:07
know,
46:08
your
46:09
20
46:09
plus
46:10
inch
46:10
bass,
46:10
your
46:11
5
46:11
pound
46:12
plus
46:12
bass
46:13
on,
46:14
on
46:14
a
46:15
big
46:15
swim
46:16
fly.
46:16
And
46:17
that's,
46:18
I
46:18
mean,
46:18
honestly,
46:19
I
46:19
think
46:20
all
46:20
three
46:20
of
46:20
us,
46:21
you
46:21
know,
46:21
as
46:21
much
46:21
as
46:21
we
46:22
love
46:22
muskie
46:22
and
46:23
we
46:23
do
46:23
love
46:23
that
46:24
Grind,
46:25
you
46:25
know,
46:26
March
46:26
15
46:27
through
46:27
April
46:28
20
46:28
is,
46:29
is
46:30
probably
46:31
my
46:31
favorite
46:32
30
46:32
days,
46:33
35
46:34
days
46:34
of
46:34
the
46:34
year
46:36
because
46:36
it's,
46:37
it's
46:37
just
46:37
electric
46:38
and
46:38
it's
46:38
the
46:39
biggest
46:39
fish
46:39
in
46:39
the
46:39
system.
46:40
Eating
46:41
the
46:41
best
46:42
way
46:42
to
46:42
fish
46:42
for
46:43
them,
46:43
in
46:43
my
46:43
opinion.
46:44
Which
46:44
I
46:44
do
46:44
love
46:44
top
46:45
water
46:45
too,
46:46
but,
46:46
you
46:46
know,
46:47
I
46:47
would.
46:47
I
46:48
don't
46:48
think
46:48
there's
46:48
anything
46:49
quite
46:49
like,
46:50
you
46:50
know,
46:50
watching
46:50
in
46:51
that
46:51
green
46:51
water,
46:52
watching
46:52
a
46:53
20
46:53
plus
46:53
inch
46:54
smallmouth,
46:54
you
46:55
know,
46:55
inhale
46:55
a
46:57
swim,
46:57
fly,
46:58
you
46:58
know,
46:58
a
46:59
couple
46:59
feet,
46:59
few
46:59
feet
47:00
below
47:00
the
47:00
surface
47:01
and
47:01
you
47:01
get
47:01
to
47:01
watch
47:01
the
47:01
whole
47:02
thing.
47:02
And,
47:03
and
47:03
she's
47:03
the
47:03
fattest
47:04
she'll
47:04
be
47:04
all
47:04
year.
47:05
That's.
47:05
That's
47:06
a
47:06
pretty
47:06
cool
47:06
thing.
47:07
Yeah.
47:07
And
47:08
then
47:08
the
47:08
fight,
47:09
right?
47:09
Like,
47:09
you
47:09
know,
47:10
oh
47:11
God,
47:11
you
47:11
know,
47:11
I
47:12
mean,
47:12
the
47:12
smallmouth
47:12
fight
47:13
versus
47:13
the
47:13
muskie
47:14
fight,
47:14
like,
47:14
there's
47:14
a
47:14
lot
47:14
of
47:15
stuff
47:15
you
47:15
have
47:15
to
47:15
do,
47:15
right,
47:15
to
47:16
get
47:16
a
47:16
muskie
47:16
to
47:16
the
47:16
boat,
47:18
but
47:18
they're
47:18
not
47:19
running
47:19
around
47:20
and
47:21
you
47:21
know,
47:21
that's
47:21
just
47:22
not
47:22
their
47:22
M.O.
47:22
right?
47:25
No.
47:25
And,
47:25
and
47:26
actually
47:26
we
47:26
tell
47:26
people
47:26
a
47:27
lot
47:27
of
47:27
times.
47:27
I
47:27
was
47:27
just
47:27
talking
47:28
to
47:28
a
47:28
client
47:28
earlier
47:29
today.
47:29
I,
47:30
I
47:30
think
47:30
that
47:30
pound
47:30
for
47:31
pound,
47:32
your
47:32
best
47:32
fighting
47:33
muskie
47:33
is
47:33
actually
47:34
like
47:34
a
47:34
three
47:34
foot
47:35
muskie.
47:35
Those
47:36
are
47:36
the
47:36
ones
47:36
that
47:36
do
47:36
cartwheels.
47:38
They
47:38
do
47:38
go
47:38
on
47:39
longer
47:39
runs
47:39
and
47:40
you
47:40
see
47:40
them
47:40
kick
47:40
that
47:41
tail
47:41
and
47:41
they
47:42
jolt
47:42
and
47:42
shoot
47:43
further.
47:43
Whereas,
47:44
you
47:44
know,
47:45
the
47:45
picture
47:45
muskie,
47:46
which,
47:46
you
47:46
know,
47:47
obviously
47:47
everybody
47:48
loves
47:48
that
47:48
you're
47:48
40
47:49
to
47:49
50
47:49
inch
47:49
Muskie.
47:51
They're.
47:53
It's,
47:53
it's,
47:54
you
47:55
know,
47:55
it's.
47:55
Josh
47:55
does
47:56
the
47:56
best.
47:56
It's.
47:56
It's
47:57
like
47:57
fighting
47:57
a
47:57
gorilla
47:57
in
47:58
a
47:58
phone
47:58
booth.
47:58
I
47:59
mean,
47:59
it's,
47:59
it's
48:00
chaotic.
48:01
They're
48:01
throwing
48:02
their
48:02
body
48:02
weight
48:02
around.
48:03
It's
48:03
a
48:03
lot
48:03
of
48:03
head
48:03
shaking.
48:04
But
48:04
they're
48:04
not
48:04
going
48:05
on
48:05
huge
48:05
runs.
48:06
Typically
48:06
seasonally
48:07
they
48:07
will,
48:07
you
48:08
know,
48:08
early
48:08
fall
48:09
in
48:09
the
48:10
spring,
48:10
post
48:10
spawn
48:11
when
48:11
they're
48:11
jacked
48:12
up
48:12
and
48:12
their
48:12
metabolism's
48:13
high.
48:14
But
48:14
for
48:14
the
48:15
most
48:15
part,
48:15
it's
48:15
a
48:15
lot
48:15
of
48:15
head
48:16
shaking.
48:16
There's
48:16
a
48:17
lot
48:17
of
48:17
opening
48:17
their
48:17
mouth
48:18
and
48:18
it's
48:18
like
48:18
the
48:19
rod
48:19
is
48:19
bent,
48:20
but
48:20
it's
48:21
all
48:21
within
48:22
a
48:22
certain
48:22
distance
48:22
of
48:22
the
48:23
boat,
48:23
you
48:23
know,
48:24
and
48:24
you're
48:24
still
48:25
holding
48:25
on
48:25
and
48:26
it's,
48:26
it's
48:26
a
48:26
very
48:26
chaotic
48:27
moment
48:27
and
48:28
it's
48:28
very
48:28
likely
48:29
for
48:29
them
48:29
to
48:29
come
48:29
off
48:31
because
48:31
they
48:31
have
48:31
really
48:31
hard
48:32
mouths.
48:32
And
48:32
it's,
48:33
you
48:33
know,
48:33
we
48:33
tell
48:33
people,
48:34
you
48:34
know,
48:34
rod
48:34
tip
48:34
in
48:35
the
48:35
water
48:35
and
48:36
you're
48:36
stripping
48:36
and
48:37
they
48:37
come
48:37
tight
48:37
to
48:37
them
48:38
and
48:38
strip
48:38
again
48:39
and
48:39
strip
48:39
again.
48:39
Don't
48:40
even
48:40
worry
48:40
about
48:40
bending
48:41
a
48:41
rod
48:42
because
48:42
a
48:43
lot
48:43
of
48:43
times
48:44
you'll
48:44
get
48:44
them
48:44
in
48:44
the
48:44
net.
48:45
And
48:45
as
48:45
soon
48:46
as
48:46
that
48:46
tension
48:47
comes
48:47
off
48:47
that
48:47
line
48:48
and
48:48
there's
48:48
any
48:49
slack
48:49
that
48:50
Fly
48:50
just
48:50
pops
48:51
right
48:51
out
48:51
of
48:51
their
48:51
mouth.
48:52
And
48:53
it
48:53
makes
48:53
you
48:53
wonder,
48:54
you
48:54
know,
48:54
whether
48:54
they
48:54
were
48:54
just
48:55
clamped
48:55
or
48:56
lightly
48:56
hooked
48:57
or
48:58
they
48:58
were,
48:58
you
48:58
know,
48:59
or
48:59
if
48:59
it
48:59
was
49:00
hooked
49:00
at
49:00
all.
49:00
You
49:01
know,
49:01
how
49:01
easy
49:01
they
49:02
come
49:02
out.
49:02
So,
49:04
you
49:04
know,
49:04
it
49:04
is
49:04
chaotic
49:05
for
49:05
sure,
49:05
and
49:06
it's
49:06
fun.
49:06
But
49:07
I
49:07
tell
49:07
people
49:08
muskie
49:08
is
49:08
more
49:08
about
49:09
the,
49:09
the
49:09
bite
49:10
than
49:10
the
49:10
fight.
49:11
And
49:11
on
49:12
the
49:12
flip
49:12
side,
49:13
I
49:13
think
49:14
pound
49:14
for
49:14
pound,
49:15
smallmouth
49:16
bass
49:16
are
49:17
some
49:17
of
49:17
the,
49:18
if
49:18
not
49:18
the
49:19
best
49:19
freshwater
49:20
fighting
49:21
fish.
49:22
You
49:23
know,
49:23
it's,
49:23
it's
49:24
their
49:24
bulldogs,
49:25
their
49:26
little
49:27
freight
49:27
trains,
49:28
you
49:28
know,
49:29
and
49:29
they
49:29
do
49:29
cool
49:29
stuff,
49:29
whether
49:30
it's
49:30
jumping,
49:31
you
49:31
know,
49:31
belly
49:32
rolling,
49:32
going
49:32
in
49:32
front
49:32
of
49:32
the
49:33
boat,
49:33
going
49:33
on,
49:33
you
49:34
know,
49:34
little
49:34
runs.
49:34
They're
49:35
not
49:35
going
49:35
on
49:35
saltwater
49:36
runs.
49:36
But
49:37
you
49:37
know,
49:37
I've
49:37
seen
49:38
some
49:38
really
49:38
impressive
49:39
fights
49:39
on
49:39
a
49:40
smallmouth
49:41
bass,
49:41
as
49:41
I'm
49:41
sure
49:41
you
49:42
have
49:42
too.
49:43
So
49:44
they
49:44
do
49:44
cool
49:44
stuff.
49:45
And
49:45
I
49:45
mean,
49:45
for
49:45
it
49:45
to
49:45
be
49:45
an
49:46
accessible
49:46
fish.
49:47
I
49:47
don't
49:47
think
49:48
there's
49:48
a
49:48
better
49:48
fish
49:48
in,
49:49
in
49:50
freshwater,
49:50
especially
49:51
where
49:51
we
49:51
are,
49:52
you
49:53
know,
49:53
because
49:53
you
49:53
know,
49:54
you're
49:54
having
49:54
higher
49:54
number
49:54
of
49:55
days,
49:55
no
49:55
matter
49:55
what,
49:55
no
49:56
matter
49:56
what
49:56
time
49:56
of
49:56
the
49:57
year
49:57
than
49:58
you
49:58
would
49:58
muskie
49:58
fishing.
50:00
And
50:01
even
50:01
on
50:01
the
50:01
worst
50:01
day,
50:02
you
50:02
know,
50:02
you're
50:02
catching,
50:03
you're
50:03
catching
50:03
bass
50:04
and
50:04
that's,
50:05
that's,
50:06
yeah,
50:07
there's,
50:07
there's
50:07
something
50:08
good
50:08
about
50:08
that.
50:08
So,
50:09
I
50:09
mean,
50:09
it's,
50:10
yeah,
50:10
I
50:11
think
50:11
their
50:11
fight
50:11
is
50:12
super
50:12
underrated.
50:13
And
50:13
I
50:13
think
50:13
as
50:13
they
50:14
grow
50:15
and
50:15
get
50:15
some
50:15
more
50:16
popularity,
50:17
you
50:17
know,
50:17
guys
50:17
like
50:18
Blaine
50:18
and
50:18
Mike
50:18
Schultz
50:19
have
50:20
really.
50:20
And
50:21
Tam
50:21
at
50:22
tight
50:22
lines.
50:22
Like
50:23
they've,
50:24
they've
50:24
kind
50:25
of,
50:25
you
50:26
know,
50:26
shown
50:27
to
50:27
everybody,
50:28
you
50:28
know,
50:28
for
50:28
a
50:28
long
50:28
time
50:29
now.
50:29
It's
50:29
been
50:29
a
50:29
lot
50:29
of
50:29
hard
50:30
work.
50:30
But
50:31
that
50:31
small
50:31
mouth
50:32
bass
50:32
really
50:32
are
50:33
badass.
50:34
I
50:34
mean,
50:34
they're,
50:35
they're,
50:35
they're
50:36
cool
50:36
fish
50:37
and
50:37
they're,
50:37
they're
50:39
kind
50:39
of
50:39
a
50:40
perfect
50:41
fly
50:41
rod
50:41
fish
50:42
if
50:42
you
50:42
ask
50:42
me,
50:42
the
50:43
subsurface.
50:44
They
50:44
eat
50:44
on
50:44
the
50:44
bottom
50:45
and
50:45
they
50:45
eat
50:45
on
50:46
top,
50:46
you
50:46
know,
50:47
all
50:47
seasonally.
50:48
So
50:49
I
50:49
think
50:49
that's
50:49
pretty
50:49
hard
50:50
to
50:50
beat.
50:51
Yeah.
50:51
And
50:51
so
50:52
you
50:52
were
50:52
saying,
50:52
right.
50:52
So
50:53
you
50:53
kind
50:53
of
50:53
come
50:53
out,
50:53
you're,
50:54
you
50:54
get
50:54
to
50:54
kind
50:54
of
50:54
like,
50:55
you
50:55
know,
50:55
mid
50:55
to
50:55
late
50:56
April,
50:56
right.
50:56
Then
50:56
you
50:56
got
50:57
the
50:57
spawn.
50:58
You
50:58
know,
50:58
why
50:58
don't
50:58
you
50:58
take
50:59
us
50:59
through
50:59
kind
50:59
of,
50:59
you
51:00
know,
51:00
post
51:00
spawn
51:00
smallmouth
51:01
all
51:01
the
51:01
way
51:01
to
51:01
top
51:02
water.
51:02
Kind
51:03
of
51:03
where
51:03
we
51:03
are
51:03
today.
51:05
Yeah.
51:05
So
51:06
again,
51:06
like
51:07
going
51:07
back
51:07
to
51:07
the
51:07
year
51:07
round
51:07
fishery,
51:08
what's
51:08
nice
51:08
is
51:10
by
51:11
generally
51:12
May
51:12
1
51:13
and,
51:13
and
51:13
a
51:13
lot
51:13
of
51:14
times
51:14
a
51:14
little
51:14
earlier,
51:15
and
51:15
sometimes
51:15
they're
51:16
stragglers
51:16
into
51:17
early
51:17
May
51:17
Your
51:18
musky
51:18
are
51:18
done
51:19
spawning.
51:21
So
51:21
while
51:22
the
51:22
smallmouth
51:23
are
51:23
on
51:24
beds,
51:24
we
51:24
leave
51:24
them
51:25
alone.
51:25
And
51:26
what's
51:26
nice
51:26
about
51:26
smallmouth
51:27
and
51:27
muskie
51:28
and
51:29
most
51:29
fish
51:29
is
51:30
they
51:30
don't.
51:30
There's
51:31
not
51:31
like
51:31
a
51:31
light
51:31
switch
51:31
and
51:31
they
51:32
just
51:32
all
51:32
spawn
51:32
at
51:32
once.
51:33
You
51:34
know,
51:34
you're
51:34
typically
51:35
spawning
51:35
in
51:35
stages.
51:36
So
51:37
there
51:37
in
51:37
my
51:38
opinion
51:38
there's
51:39
no
51:39
reason
51:39
to
51:39
ever
51:40
target
51:40
smallmouth
51:41
bass
51:41
on
51:41
beds.
51:42
Something
51:42
I
51:43
don't
51:43
do
51:45
and
51:45
it's
51:45
not
51:45
something
51:46
I
51:46
would
51:46
ever
51:46
advocate
51:47
anybody
51:47
doing,
51:48
you
51:48
know.
51:49
And
51:49
so
51:49
you
51:50
know,
51:50
trout
51:50
get
51:50
a
51:50
lot
51:50
of,
51:51
you
51:52
know,
51:52
they
51:52
get
51:52
a
51:53
kind
51:53
of
51:53
the
51:53
protection
51:54
from
51:54
the
51:54
fly
51:55
fishing
51:55
base,
51:55
you
51:55
know,
51:55
the
51:56
don't
51:56
fish
51:56
over
51:56
reds.
51:57
Like
51:57
I'm
51:57
a
51:57
big
51:58
proponent.
51:58
Same
51:58
thing
51:59
for
51:59
smallmouth.
51:59
And
51:59
what's
52:00
nice
52:00
places,
52:00
there's
52:01
different
52:01
water
52:01
types.
52:02
You're
52:02
always
52:02
going
52:02
to
52:03
find
52:03
post
52:03
spawn
52:04
fish,
52:04
you
52:04
know,
52:05
even
52:05
as
52:05
early
52:05
as
52:05
mid
52:06
April.
52:07
Some
52:07
of
52:07
your
52:07
biggest
52:07
fish
52:08
spawn
52:09
earlier
52:09
in
52:09
April.
52:10
And
52:10
then
52:10
by
52:10
mid
52:10
April,
52:11
third
52:12
week
52:12
of
52:12
April,
52:13
the
52:13
latest,
52:13
you'll
52:14
have
52:14
fish
52:14
that
52:15
are
52:15
post
52:15
spawn
52:16
smallmouth.
52:17
So
52:17
you
52:17
can
52:17
always
52:18
target
52:18
them
52:19
in
52:20
water
52:20
that
52:20
you
52:21
know,
52:21
isn't
52:21
bed
52:22
water,
52:22
which
52:23
it's
52:23
really
52:23
obvious
52:24
when
52:24
it
52:24
is.
52:24
I
52:25
mean
52:25
somebody,
52:26
somebody
52:26
said
52:27
that
52:27
they
52:27
didn't
52:27
know
52:27
that
52:28
that
52:28
fish
52:28
was
52:28
on
52:29
a
52:29
bed.
52:29
I
52:29
think
52:29
they'd
52:30
be
52:30
lying
52:30
to
52:30
you
52:31
because
52:31
you
52:32
know,
52:32
unless
52:32
the
52:32
water's
52:32
super
52:33
green,
52:33
you
52:33
know,
52:34
which
52:34
it
52:34
can
52:34
be
52:35
that
52:35
time
52:35
of
52:35
year,
52:36
it
52:36
certainly,
52:36
I
52:37
mean
52:37
often
52:37
is.
52:38
But
52:38
there's
52:39
certain
52:39
water
52:39
types
52:40
you're
52:40
targeting
52:40
and,
52:41
and
52:41
we
52:41
know
52:41
as
52:41
guides
52:42
and
52:42
most
52:42
people
52:42
that
52:43
are
52:43
out
52:43
there
52:43
all
52:43
the
52:43
time
52:44
can
52:44
differentiate,
52:45
you
52:46
know,
52:46
bed
52:46
water
52:47
versus
52:47
seam
52:47
water,
52:48
feeding
52:49
water,
52:49
you
52:49
know,
52:50
what
52:50
have
52:50
you.
52:50
But
52:52
yeah,
52:52
as
52:53
you're
52:53
getting
52:53
into
52:53
that
52:53
spawn,
52:54
you
52:54
know,
52:55
then
52:56
that
52:56
postpawn
52:57
muskie
52:57
is
52:58
great.
52:58
Another
52:59
time
52:59
of
52:59
year
53:00
we
53:00
tell
53:01
people,
53:02
you
53:02
know,
53:02
if
53:02
you
53:02
ever
53:03
wanted
53:03
to
53:03
try
53:03
muskie
53:04
fishing,
53:04
this
53:05
is
53:05
a
53:05
good
53:05
way
53:05
to
53:06
kind
53:06
of
53:06
dip
53:06
your
53:07
toes
53:07
in,
53:07
you
53:07
know,
53:07
because
53:08
you're
53:08
not
53:08
out
53:08
there
53:08
freezing.
53:10
Your
53:10
numbers
53:11
typically
53:11
go
53:12
up
53:12
and
53:13
it's
53:14
another
53:14
time
53:14
of
53:14
year
53:14
where
53:14
they're
53:15
eating
53:15
heavily,
53:16
you
53:16
know,
53:16
coming
53:16
off
53:16
that
53:17
spawn.
53:17
And
53:17
we're
53:17
fishing
53:18
smaller
53:18
flies.
53:19
A
53:19
lot
53:20
of
53:20
times
53:20
we're
53:20
fishing
53:21
intermediate
53:21
line.
53:22
They're
53:22
really
53:22
chasey,
53:23
they're
53:23
really
53:24
bitey.
53:24
It's
53:25
not
53:25
uncommon
53:25
to,
53:26
you
53:26
know,
53:27
just
53:27
like
53:27
in
53:28
the
53:28
fall
53:29
to
53:29
go
53:29
out
53:29
in
53:29
May
53:30
and
53:30
early
53:30
June
53:31
and
53:31
move
53:32
five
53:33
to
53:33
10
53:33
to
53:34
15
53:34
fish,
53:35
you
53:35
know,
53:35
on
53:35
a
53:36
fly
53:37
and
53:38
have
53:38
some
53:38
eats
53:39
and
53:39
have
53:39
some
53:39
to
53:40
the
53:40
net
53:40
and,
53:41
and
53:41
whatnot.
53:42
And
53:42
then
53:42
you're
53:42
not,
53:43
you
53:43
know,
53:43
if
53:43
you,
53:44
if
53:44
you
53:44
ever
53:44
thought
53:45
like,
53:45
well
53:45
I
53:45
don't
53:45
know
53:45
about
53:45
the
53:46
cold
53:46
or
53:46
the
53:46
12
53:47
inch
53:47
flies,
53:48
that's
53:48
a
53:48
great
53:48
time
53:48
of
53:48
year
53:49
for
53:49
people.
53:49
Their
53:49
metabolism,
53:50
super
53:50
high.
53:51
They're
53:51
putting
53:51
on
53:51
the
53:52
feedback
53:52
before
53:53
what
53:53
they
53:53
know
53:54
is
53:54
a
53:54
long
53:54
summer.
53:55
And
53:56
you
53:57
know,
53:57
and
53:57
then
53:57
once
53:57
you
53:57
get
53:57
into
53:57
that
53:58
May
53:58
and,
53:59
and
53:59
stuff
54:00
with,
54:00
with
54:00
the
54:00
bass
54:01
too,
54:01
a
54:02
lot
54:02
of
54:02
them
54:02
are
54:02
postponed.
54:03
They're
54:04
still,
54:04
you
54:04
know,
54:05
hang
54:05
on,
54:05
the
54:05
year
54:06
will
54:06
be
54:06
some
54:06
spawning
54:07
and
54:08
that
54:09
bite
54:09
can
54:09
be
54:10
phenomenal
54:11
as
54:11
well.
54:11
And
54:11
a
54:11
lot
54:12
of
54:12
times
54:12
it
54:12
just
54:12
goes
54:12
right
54:13
back
54:13
to
54:13
that
54:13
bait
54:13
fish
54:13
bite.
54:14
We're
54:15
incorporating
54:15
a
54:15
lot
54:16
of
54:16
top
54:16
water,
54:17
a
54:17
lot
54:17
of
54:17
active
54:18
top
54:18
water
54:18
that
54:19
time
54:19
of
54:19
year.
54:20
So
54:20
if
54:21
people,
54:21
you
54:21
know,
54:21
they're.
54:22
Once
54:22
you
54:23
get
54:23
into
54:23
the
54:23
summer,
54:24
you
54:24
know,
54:24
we're
54:24
dealing
54:25
with
54:25
a
54:25
lot
54:25
more
54:25
of
54:25
those
54:26
kind
54:26
of
54:26
subtle,
54:27
you
54:28
know,
54:28
cork
54:28
bug
54:29
eats
54:29
and
54:29
whatnot.
54:30
This,
54:31
that
54:31
time
54:31
of
54:31
year,
54:32
May
54:32
and
54:32
June
54:32
can
54:32
be
54:33
great
54:33
for
54:33
the
54:33
people
54:33
who
54:34
just
54:35
can't
54:35
help
54:35
but
54:36
pop
54:36
a
54:36
booba
54:37
bard.
54:37
So
54:38
like,
54:38
you
54:39
know,
54:39
if
54:39
you
54:39
have
54:39
any
54:39
doubts
54:40
that
54:40
you
54:40
could
54:40
come
54:40
out
54:40
in
54:40
August
54:41
or
54:41
September
54:41
and
54:41
not
54:42
pop
54:42
a
54:42
bug
54:43
as
54:43
much,
54:44
you
54:44
know,
54:44
May
54:44
and
54:44
June
54:45
is
54:45
kind
54:45
of
54:45
where
54:45
you're
54:45
going
54:46
to
54:46
shine
54:46
because
54:47
those
54:47
are
54:47
some
54:47
really
54:48
good
54:48
bites
54:48
on
54:49
the
54:49
booga
54:49
bug,
54:50
you
54:50
know,
54:50
popping
54:50
them
54:51
top
54:51
water
54:51
bait
54:52
fish,
54:53
subsurface
54:54
bait
54:54
fish.
54:54
Sometimes,
54:55
you
54:55
know,
54:55
we're
54:56
going
54:56
to
54:56
start
54:56
scaling
54:57
down
54:57
a
54:57
little
54:57
bit
54:57
from
54:57
your
54:58
6,
54:58
7
54:58
inch,
55:00
you
55:00
know,
55:00
smallmouth
55:01
bass
55:02
flies
55:03
and
55:03
going
55:03
into
55:03
that
55:04
4,
55:04
5
55:05
inch
55:06
sometimes
55:06
still
55:07
using
55:07
the
55:07
bigger
55:07
flies
55:08
too.
55:08
But
55:09
it's
55:09
all
55:10
about
55:10
water
55:10
conditions
55:11
that
55:11
time
55:11
of
55:11
year.
55:11
And
55:12
that
55:12
time
55:12
of
55:12
year
55:12
can
55:13
be
55:13
electric.
55:14
If
55:14
you
55:14
get
55:15
green
55:15
water
55:16
post
55:16
spawn,
55:16
if
55:16
you
55:17
got
55:17
really
55:18
full
55:18
rivers
55:20
and
55:20
it's
55:20
green
55:21
and
55:21
everything,
55:21
that
55:22
can
55:22
be
55:23
unreal
55:24
small
55:25
round
55:25
fishing.
55:26
This
55:26
spring
55:27
was
55:27
a
55:27
good
55:27
example
55:28
of
55:28
that
55:29
where
55:30
you
55:30
post
55:30
spawn.
55:31
We
55:31
got
55:31
green
55:32
water,
55:32
we
55:32
got
55:32
plenty
55:32
of
55:33
water
55:33
and
55:34
it's
55:34
like
55:34
the
55:34
spawn
55:34
didn't
55:35
even
55:35
happen.
55:35
You
55:36
know,
55:36
they
55:36
got
55:36
fat
55:36
again
55:37
after
55:38
they
55:38
spawned.
55:39
They
55:39
were
55:39
eating,
55:40
you
55:40
know,
55:40
the
55:40
same
55:41
size
55:41
flies
55:42
and
55:42
it
55:42
was
55:42
great.
55:43
Now
55:43
going
55:44
back
55:44
to
55:44
last
55:45
year
55:45
after
55:46
spawn,
55:46
it
55:46
was
55:47
low
55:47
and
55:47
clear
55:47
immediately,
55:48
not
55:49
a
55:49
ton
55:49
of
55:49
water.
55:50
And
55:50
things
55:50
are
55:50
a
55:51
little
55:51
tougher.
55:52
You
55:52
know,
55:52
your
55:52
post
55:53
spawn
55:53
bite
55:53
can
55:53
still
55:54
be
55:54
good
55:55
that
55:55
time
55:55
of
55:55
year,
55:56
but
55:56
they
55:56
can
55:56
vary
55:57
based
55:57
on
55:57
those
55:57
river
55:58
conditions
55:58
for
55:59
sure.
56:00
And
56:00
in
56:00
that
56:00
case,
56:01
you
56:01
know,
56:01
last
56:01
year
56:01
we
56:01
were
56:02
using
56:02
a
56:02
lot
56:02
more
56:02
finesse,
56:03
a
56:03
lot
56:04
less
56:04
flash,
56:05
you
56:05
know,
56:06
longer
56:06
leaders,
56:07
be
56:07
more
56:07
careful
56:07
about
56:08
tackle
56:09
or
56:10
your,
56:10
you
56:10
know,
56:10
your,
56:11
your
56:11
leader
56:12
going
56:12
down
56:12
a
56:12
certain
56:12
tip
56:13
it.
56:14
Whereas
56:14
this
56:15
spring,
56:15
I
56:15
mean
56:15
you
56:15
could
56:16
throw,
56:16
you
56:16
know,
56:17
16,
56:17
20
56:18
pound
56:18
tip,
56:18
bite
56:18
tip
56:19
and
56:19
arm
56:19
and
56:20
you
56:20
were
56:20
catching
56:21
nice
56:21
bass,
56:22
you
56:22
know,
56:22
throughout
56:22
the
56:22
day.
56:23
So
56:24
and
56:24
then,
56:25
you
56:25
know,
56:25
once
56:25
you
56:25
get
56:25
into
56:25
that
56:26
June
56:26
10,
56:27
June
56:28
15,
56:28
we
56:28
typically
56:29
shut
56:29
down
56:29
Moscow.
56:31
And
56:31
you
56:31
know,
56:32
the
56:32
common
56:32
science
56:33
or
56:34
the,
56:34
you
56:34
know,
56:34
the,
56:35
the
56:35
standard
56:35
I
56:35
guess
56:36
is
56:36
80
56:36
degree
56:37
water
56:37
temps.
56:37
We
56:37
don't
56:38
even
56:38
get
56:38
close
56:38
to
56:38
it.
56:39
And
56:39
what's
56:39
nice
56:40
too
56:40
is
56:40
having
56:41
this
56:41
year
56:41
round
56:41
fishery.
56:42
We
56:42
don't
56:42
even,
56:43
we
56:43
don't
56:43
want
56:43
to
56:44
push
56:44
it
56:44
and
56:44
there's
56:45
no
56:45
need
56:45
to
56:45
push
56:45
it.
56:46
So
56:46
despite
56:46
the
56:47
fact
56:47
that
56:47
the
56:47
bite
56:47
can
56:48
be
56:48
great
56:49
all
56:49
the
56:49
way
56:49
up
56:49
until
56:49
July
56:50
4th
56:50
or
56:51
some
56:51
years,
56:51
been
56:52
beyond,
56:52
not
56:53
these
56:53
last
56:53
few
56:54
summers,
56:54
I'm
56:54
sure,
56:55
you
56:55
know,
56:55
we're
56:55
extremely
56:56
hot.
56:58
But
56:59
you
56:59
know,
57:00
we,
57:00
we
57:00
normally
57:01
shut
57:01
it
57:01
down
57:01
right
57:01
around
57:01
that
57:02
75
57:03
or
57:03
even
57:03
less
57:04
water,
57:04
water
57:05
temps.
57:06
And,
57:07
and
57:07
that's
57:07
just
57:07
our
57:08
own
57:08
personal
57:09
choice.
57:10
You
57:10
know,
57:10
I
57:10
would
57:11
never
57:11
advocate
57:11
for
57:12
fishing
57:12
for
57:12
muskie
57:13
close
57:14
to
57:14
that
57:14
80
57:14
degrees
57:15
or
57:15
beyond
57:16
80
57:16
degrees
57:17
particularly,
57:18
and
57:18
never
57:18
targeting
57:19
muskie,
57:20
you
57:20
know,
57:20
in
57:20
those
57:20
dog
57:21
days
57:21
of
57:21
summer
57:21
when
57:21
they're
57:22
on
57:22
refuge
57:22
water,
57:23
you
57:23
know,
57:23
right
57:23
off
57:24
the
57:24
springs
57:24
or
57:24
creeks
57:25
or
57:25
what
57:25
have
57:25
you,
57:26
you
57:26
know,
57:26
they're
57:26
doing
57:27
everything
57:27
they
57:27
can
57:27
just
57:28
to
57:28
survive.
57:28
And
57:28
I
57:28
think
57:29
especially
57:29
as
57:30
a
57:30
guide
57:30
service,
57:30
we,
57:31
we
57:32
owe
57:32
it
57:32
to
57:32
them
57:32
to
57:33
give
57:33
them
57:33
time,
57:34
you
57:34
know,
57:35
while
57:35
they're,
57:35
they're
57:36
dealing
57:37
with
57:37
those
57:37
higher
57:37
water
57:38
temps
57:38
to
57:38
where
57:38
we're
57:38
not
57:39
targeting
57:39
them.
57:40
And
57:40
I
57:40
don't
57:40
think
57:41
anybody
57:41
should
57:41
be.
57:41
But
57:43
you
57:43
see
57:43
it,
57:43
it
57:44
happens.
57:44
We
57:45
try
57:45
to,
57:45
you
57:45
know,
57:45
spread
57:46
the
57:46
good
57:46
word.
57:46
But
57:47
you
57:47
know,
57:47
from
57:47
June
57:48
all
57:48
the
57:48
way
57:48
through
57:48
the
57:49
summer,
57:49
I
57:49
mean
57:49
there's
57:50
little
57:51
micro
57:51
changes
57:52
in
57:52
the
57:52
summer
57:53
that
57:53
we
57:53
could
57:53
go
57:54
over.
57:54
You
57:54
know,
57:54
your
57:54
June
57:55
going
57:55
into
57:56
July,
57:57
you
57:57
know,
57:57
you're
57:57
getting
57:57
off
57:58
that
57:58
bait
57:58
fish
57:58
bite
57:59
where
57:59
they
57:59
were
58:00
super
58:00
heavy
58:01
on
58:01
that,
58:01
you
58:01
know,
58:01
aggressive
58:02
feeding
58:03
like
58:03
they
58:03
did,
58:03
it
58:04
gets
58:04
green
58:05
post
58:05
spawn.
58:06
But
58:07
if
58:07
you're
58:07
going
58:07
clear,
58:08
you
58:08
know,
58:09
clear
58:09
May
58:09
and
58:10
June
58:10
and
58:11
July,
58:11
that's
58:12
where
58:12
some
58:12
of
58:12
those,
58:13
you
58:13
know,
58:13
subtle
58:13
presentations,
58:14
finesse
58:15
presentations
58:16
can
58:16
be
58:16
more
58:17
of
58:17
a
58:17
factor
58:17
for
58:18
sure
58:18
and
58:18
be
58:18
more
58:19
productive.
58:19
And
58:20
then,
58:20
you
58:20
know,
58:20
your
58:21
July
58:21
is
58:21
a
58:22
lot
58:22
of
58:22
your,
58:22
your
58:23
bug
58:23
fishing
58:24
and
58:25
you're,
58:25
we're
58:25
doing
58:26
some
58:26
of
58:26
the,
58:26
you
58:27
know,
58:27
you're
58:27
Mr.
58:27
Wiggly
58:28
fishing
58:28
on
58:28
a
58:28
six
58:28
weight,
58:29
which
58:29
is
58:29
a
58:29
ton
58:29
of
58:30
fun.
58:30
And
58:31
July
58:31
can
58:31
be,
58:31
you
58:32
know,
58:32
great
58:32
numbers.
58:33
You
58:34
know,
58:34
we're
58:34
fishing
58:35
small
58:35
game
58:35
changers,
58:36
helgramites,
58:38
you
58:38
know,
58:39
you
58:39
know,
58:40
the
58:40
little
58:41
hover
58:42
mite
58:42
changers,
58:43
crawl
58:43
changers,
58:44
you
58:44
know,
58:45
throughout
58:45
the
58:45
day
58:45
you're
58:45
varying
58:46
your
58:46
approach
58:47
and
58:48
when
58:48
the
58:48
top
58:48
water
58:48
bites
58:49
good,
58:49
it's
58:49
hard
58:49
to
58:50
get
58:50
away
58:50
from
58:50
it.
58:51
I
58:51
think
58:51
you
58:51
would
58:51
probably
58:52
agree
58:53
most
58:53
like
58:53
anybody
58:54
in
58:54
the
58:54
summer,
58:54
I
58:55
mean
58:55
if
58:55
they're
58:55
going
58:55
to
58:55
eat
58:55
top
58:56
water
58:56
all
58:56
day.
58:57
You
58:57
know,
58:57
bug
58:57
fishing,
58:58
which
58:58
is
58:59
what's
58:59
great
58:59
about
58:59
Virginia
59:00
and
59:01
it's
59:01
kind
59:01
of
59:01
what
59:01
we're
59:01
known
59:02
for
59:02
is
59:05
why
59:05
would
59:05
you
59:05
step
59:06
away
59:06
from
59:06
it.
59:06
But
59:06
there
59:07
are
59:07
times
59:07
as
59:07
a
59:07
guide
59:08
and
59:08
even
59:09
as
59:09
anglers
59:09
we
59:09
had
59:10
to,
59:10
you
59:10
know,
59:11
I'm
59:11
sure
59:11
you've
59:12
seen
59:12
it
59:12
where
59:12
you
59:12
go
59:12
out
59:12
hoping
59:13
to
59:13
bug
59:14
them
59:14
all
59:14
day
59:15
and
59:15
then
59:15
the
59:16
first
59:16
few
59:16
hours
59:17
are
59:17
not
59:18
bugging
59:19
and
59:19
you're
59:19
not
59:19
bugging
59:20
until
59:20
about
59:20
lunch.
59:21
And
59:22
you
59:22
know,
59:22
everybody
59:23
always,
59:24
you
59:25
hear
59:25
a
59:25
lot
59:25
of
59:25
people
59:25
talk
59:26
about
59:26
how,
59:26
you
59:27
know
59:27
that
59:27
middle
59:27
of
59:27
the
59:27
day
59:28
is,
59:29
is
59:29
terrible
59:30
for
59:30
smallmouth
59:30
fishing.
59:31
Right.
59:32
And
59:33
I
59:33
disagree.
59:34
I
59:34
think
59:34
some
59:34
of
59:35
the
59:35
best
59:35
top
59:35
water
59:35
fishing
59:36
I
59:37
have
59:37
throughout
59:37
the
59:37
summer
59:38
is
59:38
you
59:39
know,
59:39
11am
59:40
on
59:41
and
59:41
then
59:41
obviously
59:42
as
59:42
you
59:42
get
59:42
into
59:42
your
59:43
evening,
59:43
the
59:44
top
59:44
water
59:44
bites
59:45
fantastic.
59:45
But
59:46
you
59:46
go
59:46
from
59:46
July
59:47
into
59:48
August
59:48
and
59:48
that's
59:49
kind
59:49
of
59:49
your,
59:50
your
59:52
traditional
59:53
cork
59:54
bug.
59:54
I
59:54
mean
59:54
you
59:55
can
59:55
obviously
59:55
target
59:55
them
59:55
on
59:56
Google
59:56
bugs
59:56
too.
59:57
Those
59:57
work
59:58
without
59:59
a
59:59
doubt.
59:59
But
1:00:00
in
1:00:00
Virginia,
1:00:01
you
1:00:01
know,
1:00:01
August
1:00:02
and
1:00:02
September
1:00:02
kind
1:00:03
of
1:00:03
known
1:00:03
as
1:00:03
your
1:00:03
cork
1:00:03
bug
1:00:04
time
1:00:04
of
1:00:04
year.
1:00:05
And
1:00:05
you
1:00:05
know,
1:00:06
you're
1:00:06
hunting
1:00:06
those
1:00:06
shade
1:00:07
lines,
1:00:08
those
1:00:08
banks,
1:00:08
I
1:00:09
mean
1:00:09
and
1:00:09
I
1:00:10
think
1:00:10
people
1:00:10
leave
1:00:10
a
1:00:10
lot
1:00:10
of
1:00:10
meat
1:00:11
on
1:00:11
the
1:00:11
bones
1:00:11
that
1:00:12
both
1:00:12
rivers
1:00:12
that
1:00:13
I
1:00:13
guide,
1:00:14
some
1:00:14
of
1:00:14
the
1:00:15
best
1:00:15
top
1:00:15
water
1:00:15
reeds
1:00:16
are
1:00:16
mid
1:00:16
river
1:00:17
midday
1:00:18
even
1:00:19
in
1:00:19
August.
1:00:20
So
1:00:20
there's
1:00:21
just
1:00:21
certain
1:00:21
knowing
1:00:21
your
1:00:22
fishery
1:00:22
is
1:00:23
huge
1:00:23
that
1:00:23
way,
1:00:25
but
1:00:26
I'm
1:00:27
sure
1:00:27
you
1:00:27
love
1:00:27
it
1:00:27
as
1:00:28
much
1:00:28
as
1:00:28
I
1:00:28
do.
1:00:28
But
1:00:29
that
1:00:29
August
1:00:30
and
1:00:30
September,
1:00:31
you
1:00:31
know,
1:00:31
cork
1:00:31
bug
1:00:32
bite
1:00:32
is,
1:00:33
you
1:00:33
know
1:00:34
that
1:00:35
in
1:00:35
the
1:00:35
pre
1:00:36
spawn,
1:00:37
you
1:00:37
know,
1:00:37
swim,
1:00:37
fly
1:00:38
bite
1:00:38
their
1:00:39
neck
1:00:39
and
1:00:39
neck.
1:00:39
For
1:00:39
me,
1:00:40
obviously
1:00:41
the
1:00:41
fish
1:00:41
on
1:00:41
his
1:00:41
fat
1:00:42
in
1:00:42
August
1:00:42
or
1:00:43
September,
1:00:43
but
1:00:44
a
1:00:44
lot
1:00:44
of
1:00:44
times
1:00:44
we're
1:00:44
still
1:00:45
hunting
1:00:45
those
1:00:45
bigger
1:00:46
fish
1:00:46
on
1:00:47
those
1:00:47
top
1:00:48
water
1:00:48
bugs.
1:00:49
And
1:00:50
it's
1:00:50
pretty
1:00:50
epic
1:00:51
to
1:00:51
watch
1:00:51
them
1:00:51
eat
1:00:51
it
1:00:52
because
1:00:52
it
1:00:52
shifts
1:00:52
from
1:00:52
a
1:00:53
subtle
1:00:53
eat
1:00:54
that
1:00:54
kind
1:00:54
of
1:00:55
sucking
1:00:55
it
1:00:55
under
1:00:55
toilet
1:00:56
bowl
1:00:57
to
1:00:58
oh
1:00:58
my
1:00:58
God,
1:00:58
like
1:00:58
they
1:00:59
crash
1:00:59
it.
1:00:59
As
1:00:59
you're
1:00:59
getting
1:01:00
into
1:01:00
September
1:01:00
and
1:01:01
they're
1:01:01
podding
1:01:01
up
1:01:01
October,
1:01:02
they're
1:01:02
potting
1:01:03
up
1:01:03
that
1:01:04
top
1:01:04
water
1:01:04
bite
1:01:04
goes
1:01:05
from
1:01:05
subtle
1:01:05
to
1:01:06
not
1:01:06
subtle
1:01:07
very
1:01:08
quickly.
1:01:09
Yeah.
1:01:09
And
1:01:09
one
1:01:09
of
1:01:09
the
1:01:10
great
1:01:10
things
1:01:10
about
1:01:10
you
1:01:10
know,
1:01:10
if
1:01:11
you
1:01:11
kind
1:01:11
of,
1:01:11
you
1:01:11
know,
1:01:12
get
1:01:12
out,
1:01:12
let's
1:01:13
say
1:01:14
middle
1:01:14
September
1:01:15
until
1:01:15
kind
1:01:15
of
1:01:15
the
1:01:15
end
1:01:15
of
1:01:16
the
1:01:16
top
1:01:16
water
1:01:16
season
1:01:17
kind
1:01:17
of,
1:01:17
you
1:01:17
know,
1:01:18
we're,
1:01:18
I
1:01:18
guess,
1:01:18
you
1:01:19
know,
1:01:19
that's
1:01:19
probably
1:01:20
happened,
1:01:20
I
1:01:20
don't
1:01:20
know,
1:01:20
within
1:01:20
the
1:01:21
last
1:01:21
week
1:01:21
or
1:01:21
so,
1:01:22
um,
1:01:22
is
1:01:23
it's
1:01:23
not
1:01:23
so
1:01:23
hot.
1:01:23
It's
1:01:23
kind
1:01:24
of
1:01:24
the
1:01:24
benefit
1:01:24
of
1:01:24
like
1:01:25
fishing
1:01:26
post
1:01:26
spawn
1:01:26
muskie.
1:01:27
You
1:01:27
can
1:01:27
get
1:01:27
to
1:01:27
go
1:01:27
do
1:01:28
the
1:01:28
top
1:01:28
water
1:01:28
thing
1:01:28
but
1:01:28
you
1:01:29
don't
1:01:29
have
1:01:29
to
1:01:29
go,
1:01:29
you
1:01:29
know,
1:01:30
experience
1:01:30
98
1:01:31
degrees
1:01:32
and,
1:01:33
you
1:01:33
know,
1:01:33
85%
1:01:34
humidity.
1:01:34
Right?
1:01:36
Yeah,
1:01:36
absolutely.
1:01:37
And
1:01:37
I
1:01:37
think.
1:01:38
I
1:01:38
think
1:01:39
September
1:01:39
is
1:01:39
an
1:01:39
extremely
1:01:40
underrated
1:01:41
month
1:01:41
to
1:01:41
be
1:01:41
out
1:01:41
there.
1:01:42
I'm
1:01:42
sure
1:01:42
you've
1:01:42
seen
1:01:42
it
1:01:43
where,
1:01:44
you
1:01:44
know,
1:01:45
some
1:01:45
of
1:01:45
our
1:01:46
rivers
1:01:47
are
1:01:47
heavily
1:01:48
trafficked
1:01:48
from
1:01:49
recreational,
1:01:50
you
1:01:50
know,
1:01:50
boaters,
1:01:51
kayakers,
1:01:52
canoers,
1:01:52
whatnot.
1:01:53
And
1:01:54
then
1:01:54
it's
1:01:54
like,
1:01:54
you
1:01:54
know,
1:01:55
it
1:01:55
kind
1:01:55
of
1:01:55
coincides
1:01:56
with
1:01:56
a
1:01:56
lot
1:01:56
of
1:01:56
the
1:01:56
cicada
1:01:57
fall,
1:01:57
you
1:01:58
know,
1:01:58
when
1:01:58
you
1:01:58
get
1:01:58
those
1:01:59
cool
1:01:59
nights,
1:01:59
the
1:01:59
kids
1:02:00
go
1:02:00
back
1:02:00
to
1:02:00
school
1:02:01
and
1:02:01
everybody's,
1:02:02
you
1:02:02
know,
1:02:02
they
1:02:02
don't.
1:02:03
They
1:02:03
land
1:02:03
out
1:02:03
of
1:02:03
vacation
1:02:04
days.
1:02:04
And
1:02:05
so
1:02:05
September
1:02:06
is
1:02:06
nice.
1:02:06
And
1:02:06
I
1:02:07
tell
1:02:07
people
1:02:07
that
1:02:07
all
1:02:07
the
1:02:07
time
1:02:08
where
1:02:08
it's
1:02:08
like,
1:02:08
you
1:02:09
know,
1:02:09
come
1:02:09
top
1:02:09
water
1:02:09
fish
1:02:09
with
1:02:10
me
1:02:10
in
1:02:10
September.
1:02:11
And
1:02:11
they're
1:02:11
always
1:02:11
like,
1:02:11
well,
1:02:11
what
1:02:12
about
1:02:12
July
1:02:12
and
1:02:12
August?
1:02:13
And,
1:02:13
you
1:02:13
know,
1:02:13
you
1:02:14
kind
1:02:14
of
1:02:14
explain
1:02:14
it.
1:02:15
You're.
1:02:15
You're
1:02:15
very
1:02:16
un.
1:02:16
It's.
1:02:17
It's.
1:02:17
You're
1:02:17
unlikely
1:02:18
to
1:02:18
see
1:02:18
anybody,
1:02:20
you
1:02:20
know,
1:02:20
that
1:02:20
time
1:02:21
of
1:02:21
year
1:02:21
in
1:02:21
September,
1:02:22
and
1:02:22
that
1:02:22
top
1:02:23
water
1:02:23
bite
1:02:23
is
1:02:23
still
1:02:24
good,
1:02:24
if
1:02:24
not
1:02:25
sometimes
1:02:25
better
1:02:26
than
1:02:26
it
1:02:26
is
1:02:26
in
1:02:27
August,
1:02:28
you
1:02:28
know,
1:02:28
and
1:02:29
things
1:02:29
shift
1:02:30
year
1:02:30
to
1:02:30
year
1:02:30
where
1:02:30
the
1:02:31
top
1:02:31
water
1:02:31
bite
1:02:31
can
1:02:31
be
1:02:32
better
1:02:32
earlier
1:02:33
or
1:02:33
later.
1:02:34
But
1:02:35
September
1:02:35
is
1:02:35
a
1:02:35
great
1:02:36
time
1:02:36
to
1:02:36
smallmouth
1:02:36
fish
1:02:37
in
1:02:37
general,
1:02:37
whether
1:02:38
you're
1:02:38
talking
1:02:38
top
1:02:38
water
1:02:39
or
1:02:39
not,
1:02:39
because
1:02:39
they
1:02:40
do
1:02:40
start
1:02:40
to
1:02:40
shift,
1:02:41
you
1:02:41
know,
1:02:42
gradually
1:02:43
in
1:02:43
September
1:02:43
and
1:02:43
October
1:02:44
back
1:02:44
to
1:02:44
that
1:02:44
bait
1:02:45
fish
1:02:45
bite,
1:02:45
and
1:02:46
then
1:02:46
we'll
1:02:46
catch
1:02:46
them
1:02:46
on
1:02:47
top
1:02:47
water.
1:02:47
I
1:02:47
mean,
1:02:47
I
1:02:47
think
1:02:48
Josh
1:02:48
and
1:02:48
I
1:02:48
caught
1:02:49
last
1:02:50
top
1:02:50
water
1:02:50
smallmouth
1:02:51
in
1:02:51
November
1:02:52
last
1:02:52
year.
1:02:53
So,
1:02:53
I
1:02:53
mean,
1:02:54
it's
1:02:55
not
1:02:55
something
1:02:55
I
1:02:55
would
1:02:55
ever
1:02:55
advocate
1:02:56
for,
1:02:56
but
1:02:57
I
1:02:57
mean,
1:02:57
they
1:02:57
do
1:02:57
eat.
1:02:58
They
1:02:58
will
1:02:58
eat
1:02:58
top
1:02:59
water,
1:02:59
you
1:02:59
know,
1:02:59
and
1:03:00
I'm
1:03:00
just
1:03:00
talking
1:03:00
top
1:03:00
water
1:03:01
bug
1:03:01
like
1:03:01
a
1:03:02
Chuck
1:03:02
Kraft
1:03:02
cicada
1:03:03
ate
1:03:03
one
1:03:04
in
1:03:04
November
1:03:04
last
1:03:05
year.
1:03:05
And
1:03:05
I'm
1:03:06
sure
1:03:06
people
1:03:06
have
1:03:06
stories
1:03:07
where
1:03:07
they
1:03:07
caught
1:03:07
them
1:03:07
and,
1:03:08
you
1:03:08
know,
1:03:08
December
1:03:09
on
1:03:09
them
1:03:09
or
1:03:09
whatnot.
1:03:10
But.
1:03:11
But
1:03:11
I
1:03:11
mean,
1:03:11
it
1:03:11
does
1:03:12
happen.
1:03:12
And,
1:03:13
and
1:03:13
what's
1:03:13
nice
1:03:13
is
1:03:14
that
1:03:14
time
1:03:14
of
1:03:14
year
1:03:14
you're
1:03:15
seeing
1:03:15
less
1:03:15
people,
1:03:16
less
1:03:16
people,
1:03:16
you
1:03:17
know,
1:03:17
traffic
1:03:17
in
1:03:17
the
1:03:17
river
1:03:18
and
1:03:18
the
1:03:18
fishing
1:03:19
is
1:03:19
still
1:03:19
great.
1:03:19
And
1:03:19
like
1:03:20
you
1:03:20
said,
1:03:20
the
1:03:20
weather
1:03:20
is
1:03:21
phenomenal.
1:03:21
And
1:03:21
going
1:03:21
back
1:03:22
to
1:03:22
what
1:03:22
you
1:03:23
said
1:03:23
about
1:03:23
the
1:03:23
muskie
1:03:24
is,
1:03:24
you
1:03:24
know,
1:03:24
you're
1:03:25
trading
1:03:25
waders
1:03:26
and
1:03:26
big
1:03:27
puffy
1:03:27
jackets
1:03:27
in
1:03:28
December
1:03:28
for
1:03:28
in
1:03:29
May.
1:03:29
You're
1:03:30
fishing
1:03:30
for
1:03:30
muskie
1:03:30
and,
1:03:31
you
1:03:31
know,
1:03:32
at
1:03:32
most,
1:03:33
you
1:03:33
know,
1:03:33
river
1:03:34
pants,
1:03:34
but
1:03:34
probably
1:03:35
shorts
1:03:35
and
1:03:35
flip
1:03:36
flops
1:03:36
and
1:03:36
a
1:03:36
sun
1:03:37
shirt.
1:03:37
You
1:03:37
know,
1:03:37
you're
1:03:37
basically
1:03:38
flats
1:03:38
fishing.
1:03:39
The
1:03:39
water's
1:03:40
still
1:03:40
cool
1:03:41
that
1:03:42
time
1:03:42
of
1:03:42
year
1:03:43
in
1:03:43
May,
1:03:43
and
1:03:44
you're
1:03:44
fishing
1:03:44
for
1:03:44
muskie
1:03:45
and
1:03:45
you're
1:03:45
fishing
1:03:46
them
1:03:46
with.
1:03:47
With
1:03:47
much
1:03:47
sparser
1:03:48
shorter
1:03:49
flies,
1:03:49
easier
1:03:50
to
1:03:50
tackle
1:03:50
and
1:03:51
whatnot.
1:03:52
But
1:03:52
same
1:03:52
thing,
1:03:53
you
1:03:53
know,
1:03:54
this
1:03:54
these
1:03:55
last
1:03:55
couple
1:03:55
summers,
1:03:56
which,
1:03:57
and
1:03:57
you're
1:03:58
familiar
1:03:58
with
1:03:58
too,
1:03:58
these
1:03:59
have
1:03:59
been
1:03:59
hot
1:03:59
summer,
1:04:00
particularly
1:04:01
early
1:04:01
on
1:04:02
and
1:04:03
you
1:04:03
know,
1:04:03
we
1:04:03
had
1:04:04
days
1:04:04
where
1:04:05
I
1:04:05
tried
1:04:05
to
1:04:06
reschedule
1:04:06
people
1:04:07
or,
1:04:07
you
1:04:07
know,
1:04:07
I
1:04:07
would
1:04:08
cancel
1:04:08
if
1:04:08
it
1:04:08
was
1:04:09
egregious
1:04:09
where,
1:04:10
you
1:04:10
know,
1:04:10
you're
1:04:10
over
1:04:11
100
1:04:11
degrees,
1:04:12
smallmouth
1:04:13
fishing
1:04:13
and
1:04:14
you're
1:04:14
in
1:04:15
July.
1:04:16
And
1:04:17
to
1:04:17
be
1:04:17
honest
1:04:18
with
1:04:18
you,
1:04:18
I
1:04:18
don't
1:04:18
think
1:04:18
that's
1:04:19
comfortable
1:04:19
for
1:04:19
anybody.
1:04:21
You
1:04:21
know,
1:04:22
young
1:04:22
folks.
1:04:23
Sure,
1:04:24
you
1:04:24
know,
1:04:24
I'll
1:04:24
go
1:04:25
out
1:04:25
there
1:04:25
and
1:04:25
do
1:04:25
it
1:04:25
if
1:04:25
somebody
1:04:26
wants
1:04:26
to.
1:04:27
But
1:04:28
you
1:04:28
know
1:04:28
that
1:04:28
while
1:04:29
we
1:04:29
have
1:04:29
a
1:04:29
year
1:04:29
round
1:04:29
fishery,
1:04:30
July
1:04:31
can
1:04:31
be
1:04:31
really,
1:04:32
really
1:04:32
hot.
1:04:33
And
1:04:33
it's
1:04:33
a
1:04:33
great
1:04:34
time
1:04:34
to
1:04:34
vacation.
1:04:34
It's
1:04:35
a
1:04:35
great
1:04:35
time
1:04:35
to
1:04:35
be
1:04:36
on
1:04:36
the
1:04:36
new
1:04:36
river,
1:04:36
the
1:04:36
James
1:04:37
River.
1:04:37
So
1:04:37
I
1:04:37
never
1:04:38
want
1:04:38
to
1:04:38
dissuade
1:04:38
somebody
1:04:39
but,
1:04:40
but
1:04:40
you
1:04:40
know,
1:04:40
I
1:04:41
try
1:04:41
to
1:04:41
put,
1:04:41
you
1:04:41
know,
1:04:42
almost
1:04:42
push
1:04:42
people,
1:04:43
you
1:04:43
know,
1:04:44
reading
1:04:44
that
1:04:45
room
1:04:45
or,
1:04:46
or
1:04:46
whatnot.
1:04:46
You
1:04:46
know,
1:04:47
if
1:04:47
I
1:04:47
can
1:04:47
tell
1:04:47
it's
1:04:47
a
1:04:47
factor
1:04:48
for
1:04:48
them,
1:04:48
I'll
1:04:49
be
1:04:49
like,
1:04:49
hey,
1:04:49
you
1:04:49
know,
1:04:50
I
1:04:50
know
1:04:50
you
1:04:50
think
1:04:51
July
1:04:51
top
1:04:52
water
1:04:52
Bogan
1:04:52
is
1:04:53
the
1:04:53
best,
1:04:54
but
1:04:54
actually
1:04:55
September
1:04:55
is
1:04:56
great
1:04:56
and
1:04:56
you're
1:04:56
going
1:04:57
to
1:04:57
be
1:04:57
ten
1:04:58
times
1:04:58
more
1:04:58
comfortable.
1:04:59
So
1:05:00
I
1:05:00
agree
1:05:00
with
1:05:00
you
1:05:01
wholeheartedly
1:05:02
there.
1:05:02
I
1:05:03
think
1:05:03
that's
1:05:03
an
1:05:03
underrated
1:05:04
aspect
1:05:04
of
1:05:05
coming
1:05:05
out
1:05:05
and
1:05:05
fishing
1:05:06
that
1:05:06
time
1:05:06
of
1:05:06
year.
1:05:07
Yeah,
1:05:07
absolutely.
1:05:08
And
1:05:08
I
1:05:08
always
1:05:08
like
1:05:08
to
1:05:09
ask
1:05:09
outfitters
1:05:10
too.
1:05:11
They
1:05:11
always
1:05:11
have
1:05:12
something
1:05:12
they're
1:05:12
kind
1:05:12
of
1:05:12
known
1:05:13
for
1:05:14
or
1:05:14
sets
1:05:14
them
1:05:15
apart
1:05:15
from,
1:05:16
I
1:05:16
hate
1:05:16
to
1:05:16
say
1:05:16
competition,
1:05:17
but
1:05:17
other
1:05:17
people
1:05:17
that
1:05:18
do
1:05:18
what
1:05:18
you
1:05:18
do.
1:05:18
Right.
1:05:20
And,
1:05:20
and
1:05:20
so
1:05:20
Austin,
1:05:21
what
1:05:21
do
1:05:21
you
1:05:21
think,
1:05:21
you
1:05:22
know,
1:05:22
Virginia
1:05:23
trophy
1:05:23
guides
1:05:24
does
1:05:24
that's
1:05:24
different
1:05:25
from
1:05:25
other
1:05:25
guys
1:05:25
out
1:05:26
on
1:05:26
the
1:05:26
river?
1:05:28
Yeah.
1:05:29
So
1:05:30
I,
1:05:31
I
1:05:31
think
1:05:31
that
1:05:31
the,
1:05:32
you
1:05:32
know,
1:05:32
Josh
1:05:32
and
1:05:32
I,
1:05:33
when
1:05:34
especially
1:05:35
you
1:05:35
know,
1:05:35
with
1:05:35
the
1:05:36
smallmouth
1:05:36
program,
1:05:37
I
1:05:37
mean
1:05:37
we,
1:05:38
we
1:05:38
really
1:05:39
do
1:05:39
pride
1:05:39
ourselves
1:05:40
on
1:05:40
having
1:05:41
a
1:05:41
good
1:05:41
program
1:05:42
for,
1:05:42
for
1:05:43
targeting
1:05:43
the
1:05:44
big
1:05:44
fish
1:05:44
in
1:05:44
the
1:05:45
system
1:05:45
and,
1:05:47
you
1:05:47
know,
1:05:47
kind
1:05:47
of
1:05:48
carrying
1:05:48
that
1:05:48
torch,
1:05:49
you
1:05:49
know,
1:05:49
that,
1:05:50
that,
1:05:50
you
1:05:50
know,
1:05:51
Blaine
1:05:51
kind
1:05:51
of
1:05:51
started
1:05:52
in
1:05:52
this
1:05:53
region
1:05:53
with,
1:05:53
with
1:05:54
targeting
1:05:54
those
1:05:54
fish
1:05:55
on
1:05:55
swim
1:05:55
flies
1:05:55
and
1:05:56
game
1:05:56
changers
1:05:57
and
1:05:58
doing
1:05:58
it
1:05:58
the
1:05:59
way
1:05:59
we
1:05:59
want
1:05:59
to
1:06:00
do
1:06:00
it,
1:06:00
but
1:06:01
still,
1:06:02
you
1:06:02
know,
1:06:02
not
1:06:03
sacrificing
1:06:03
the
1:06:03
experience
1:06:04
for
1:06:04
somebody,
1:06:06
you
1:06:06
know,
1:06:06
because
1:06:07
sometimes
1:06:07
swim
1:06:08
flies
1:06:08
are
1:06:08
not
1:06:08
easy
1:06:09
for
1:06:09
everybody
1:06:09
to
1:06:09
cast
1:06:11
or,
1:06:11
or
1:06:11
what
1:06:12
have
1:06:12
you.
1:06:12
And
1:06:13
so
1:06:13
I
1:06:14
think
1:06:14
that
1:06:14
we
1:06:14
definitely
1:06:15
pride
1:06:16
ourselves
1:06:16
on
1:06:16
the
1:06:16
pursuit
1:06:17
of
1:06:17
like,
1:06:17
big
1:06:18
fish.
1:06:19
And
1:06:19
that's,
1:06:20
that's
1:06:20
kind
1:06:20
of
1:06:21
what
1:06:21
I
1:06:21
think
1:06:22
separates
1:06:23
us,
1:06:24
you
1:06:24
know,
1:06:24
maybe
1:06:25
in
1:06:25
this,
1:06:25
in
1:06:25
this
1:06:26
region,
1:06:27
you
1:06:27
know,
1:06:28
where
1:06:29
we're
1:06:29
hoping
1:06:29
to
1:06:29
take
1:06:30
people
1:06:30
that
1:06:31
they
1:06:31
want
1:06:31
to
1:06:31
grind
1:06:32
it
1:06:32
out
1:06:32
for
1:06:33
the
1:06:33
biggest
1:06:34
smallmouth
1:06:34
in
1:06:35
that
1:06:35
system,
1:06:35
you
1:06:36
know,
1:06:36
that
1:06:37
kind
1:06:37
of
1:06:37
swim
1:06:37
fly
1:06:38
tradition
1:06:39
down
1:06:40
here
1:06:40
in
1:06:40
the
1:06:40
mid
1:06:40
Atlantic,
1:06:41
I
1:06:41
think
1:06:41
that's.
1:06:42
That's
1:06:42
something
1:06:43
that
1:06:43
we
1:06:43
pride
1:06:43
ourselves
1:06:44
on
1:06:44
and
1:06:44
then
1:06:44
being
1:06:45
really
1:06:45
approachable.
1:06:47
You
1:06:47
know,
1:06:48
the
1:06:49
guides,
1:06:50
you
1:06:50
know,
1:06:50
that
1:06:50
was
1:06:51
a
1:06:51
big
1:06:51
thing
1:06:51
with,
1:06:52
with,
1:06:52
you
1:06:53
know,
1:06:53
working
1:06:53
with.
1:06:54
First,
1:06:54
working
1:06:54
with
1:06:54
Josh
1:06:55
is
1:06:55
the
1:06:56
experience
1:06:57
and
1:06:58
showing
1:06:58
somebody
1:06:59
a
1:06:59
good
1:06:59
time
1:06:59
and
1:07:00
being
1:07:00
somebody
1:07:00
that,
1:07:01
you
1:07:01
know,
1:07:01
a
1:07:02
client
1:07:02
wants
1:07:02
to
1:07:02
spend
1:07:03
eight
1:07:03
to
1:07:04
12
1:07:04
hours
1:07:04
a
1:07:04
day
1:07:05
with.
1:07:06
So
1:07:07
that's
1:07:07
another
1:07:07
thing
1:07:08
too,
1:07:08
is
1:07:08
creating
1:07:09
that
1:07:10
experience
1:07:10
for
1:07:11
somebody
1:07:11
that,
1:07:11
you
1:07:12
know,
1:07:12
from
1:07:12
the
1:07:12
time
1:07:13
they
1:07:13
book
1:07:14
to
1:07:14
beyond,
1:07:15
you
1:07:15
know,
1:07:15
it's
1:07:15
easy
1:07:16
for
1:07:16
them.
1:07:17
They're
1:07:17
having
1:07:18
a
1:07:18
good
1:07:18
time,
1:07:19
you
1:07:19
know,
1:07:19
despite
1:07:19
the
1:07:20
conditions
1:07:20
and
1:07:21
enjoying
1:07:21
their
1:07:21
time
1:07:22
with
1:07:22
you
1:07:22
on
1:07:22
the
1:07:22
water.
1:07:23
And
1:07:23
we
1:07:23
do
1:07:23
too.
1:07:23
I
1:07:24
mean,
1:07:24
that's,
1:07:24
you
1:07:24
know,
1:07:25
we.
1:07:25
We
1:07:25
wouldn't
1:07:26
do
1:07:26
it
1:07:26
if
1:07:26
we
1:07:26
didn't
1:07:26
love
1:07:27
it.
1:07:27
So.
1:07:28
So,
1:07:28
yeah,
1:07:28
I
1:07:28
think
1:07:29
that,
1:07:29
you
1:07:29
know,
1:07:29
employing
1:07:30
a
1:07:30
lot
1:07:30
of
1:07:30
things
1:07:30
that,
1:07:31
you
1:07:31
know,
1:07:31
maybe
1:07:31
are
1:07:32
not
1:07:32
necessarily
1:07:33
unique
1:07:33
to
1:07:33
us,
1:07:34
but.
1:07:34
Or
1:07:34
maybe
1:07:35
unique
1:07:35
to
1:07:35
this
1:07:35
region,
1:07:37
you
1:07:37
know,
1:07:37
some
1:07:38
of
1:07:38
that,
1:07:39
you
1:07:39
know,
1:07:40
Midwest
1:07:40
tradition,
1:07:41
you
1:07:41
know,
1:07:41
some
1:07:41
of
1:07:41
the
1:07:42
stuff
1:07:42
that
1:07:42
Schultz
1:07:43
employs,
1:07:43
applying
1:07:44
it
1:07:44
or,
1:07:44
you
1:07:45
know,
1:07:45
pioneered
1:07:46
and
1:07:46
applying
1:07:47
it
1:07:47
down
1:07:47
here,
1:07:48
you
1:07:48
know,
1:07:49
kind
1:07:49
of
1:07:49
trying
1:07:50
to
1:07:50
carry
1:07:50
that
1:07:50
torch
1:07:51
that
1:07:51
Blaine
1:07:52
started
1:07:52
down
1:07:52
here
1:07:53
with
1:07:53
the
1:07:53
game
1:07:53
changer
1:07:54
tradition
1:07:54
and
1:07:55
targeting
1:07:55
the
1:07:56
biggest
1:07:56
fish
1:07:56
in
1:07:57
that
1:07:57
system
1:07:58
with.
1:07:58
With
1:07:58
those
1:07:59
flies
1:08:00
triggering
1:08:01
that
1:08:01
predatory.
1:08:02
That
1:08:02
predatory
1:08:02
bite.
1:08:03
I
1:08:03
think
1:08:03
that
1:08:03
that's
1:08:04
something
1:08:04
that,
1:08:05
that
1:08:05
I
1:08:05
pride
1:08:05
myself
1:08:06
on
1:08:06
and,
1:08:06
and,
1:08:07
you
1:08:07
know,
1:08:08
try
1:08:08
to
1:08:08
learn
1:08:08
from
1:08:08
those
1:08:09
guys
1:08:09
and,
1:08:10
and,
1:08:10
you
1:08:10
know,
1:08:11
adapted
1:08:12
to
1:08:12
my
1:08:12
own
1:08:12
and,
1:08:13
and
1:08:13
sharing
1:08:14
that
1:08:14
experience
1:08:15
with
1:08:15
people.
1:08:15
Because
1:08:15
I
1:08:16
think
1:08:16
that
1:08:16
that's
1:08:16
one
1:08:16
of
1:08:16
those
1:08:17
things
1:08:17
that
1:08:18
people
1:08:18
book,
1:08:19
you
1:08:19
know,
1:08:20
based
1:08:20
a
1:08:20
lot
1:08:20
of
1:08:20
times
1:08:20
on
1:08:21
that
1:08:21
because
1:08:21
they're
1:08:21
like,
1:08:21
man,
1:08:21
I,
1:08:22
you
1:08:22
know,
1:08:23
I
1:08:23
can't
1:08:23
tell
1:08:23
you
1:08:23
how
1:08:23
often
1:08:24
we
1:08:24
get
1:08:24
that
1:08:24
where
1:08:24
people
1:08:24
are
1:08:25
like,
1:08:25
look,
1:08:25
you
1:08:25
know,
1:08:26
I,
1:08:26
I
1:08:26
want
1:08:26
to,
1:08:27
you
1:08:27
know,
1:08:27
learn
1:08:27
how
1:08:28
to
1:08:28
fish
1:08:28
a
1:08:28
game
1:08:28
changer
1:08:29
or
1:08:29
swinging
1:08:29
D
1:08:30
or
1:08:30
a
1:08:30
leggy
1:08:31
boy.
1:08:31
Like,
1:08:31
they're
1:08:31
like,
1:08:31
I
1:08:31
just.
1:08:33
I'm
1:08:33
not
1:08:33
getting
1:08:33
it.
1:08:34
You
1:08:34
know
1:08:34
what
1:08:34
I
1:08:34
mean?
1:08:34
I'm
1:08:34
going
1:08:34
out
1:08:35
in
1:08:35
mid
1:08:35
April.
1:08:36
Something's
1:08:36
not
1:08:36
clicking.
1:08:37
They
1:08:37
book
1:08:37
a
1:08:37
trip
1:08:38
and
1:08:38
like,
1:08:39
it's
1:08:39
like
1:08:39
a
1:08:39
light
1:08:39
switch
1:08:40
sometimes,
1:08:40
because
1:08:41
despite
1:08:41
the
1:08:41
fact
1:08:42
that
1:08:42
you're
1:08:43
fishing,
1:08:43
the
1:08:43
engineering
1:08:44
in
1:08:44
those
1:08:44
flies,
1:08:45
a
1:08:45
lot
1:08:45
of
1:08:45
times,
1:08:46
you
1:08:47
know,
1:08:47
mixed
1:08:47
with
1:08:47
the
1:08:47
tackle
1:08:48
that
1:08:48
matches
1:08:49
the
1:08:49
scenario
1:08:50
and
1:08:50
those
1:08:50
flies,
1:08:51
there
1:08:52
is
1:08:52
still
1:08:52
a
1:08:53
little
1:08:53
bit
1:08:53
of.
1:08:54
Not
1:08:54
even
1:08:54
a
1:08:54
little
1:08:54
bit.
1:08:55
There
1:08:55
is
1:08:55
absolutely
1:08:56
angler
1:08:56
effort
1:08:57
and
1:08:57
guide
1:08:58
effort
1:08:58
that
1:08:58
goes
1:08:58
into
1:08:59
it.
1:08:59
And
1:09:00
there's,
1:09:01
you
1:09:01
know,
1:09:01
we're.
1:09:01
We're
1:09:02
helping
1:09:02
you
1:09:02
fish
1:09:03
those
1:09:03
flies,
1:09:03
you
1:09:04
know,
1:09:04
whether
1:09:04
you
1:09:04
know
1:09:04
it
1:09:04
or
1:09:05
not.
1:09:06
And,
1:09:07
and
1:09:07
then
1:09:08
it's
1:09:08
like,
1:09:08
it
1:09:08
clicks
1:09:09
and
1:09:09
they,
1:09:09
they
1:09:09
end
1:09:10
up
1:09:10
hanging
1:09:10
A
1:09:10
big
1:09:10
fish.
1:09:11
And
1:09:11
they're
1:09:12
like,
1:09:12
oh
1:09:12
man.
1:09:12
Like,
1:09:13
okay,
1:09:13
I
1:09:13
get
1:09:14
it.
1:09:14
You
1:09:14
know,
1:09:14
and
1:09:15
that's,
1:09:16
that's
1:09:16
something
1:09:16
that
1:09:17
I
1:09:17
really
1:09:17
enjoy
1:09:18
is
1:09:19
being
1:09:19
able
1:09:19
to
1:09:19
share
1:09:20
that
1:09:20
kind
1:09:21
of
1:09:21
experience
1:09:22
with
1:09:23
clients.
1:09:24
Yeah,
1:09:25
I
1:09:25
mean,
1:09:25
it's
1:09:25
an
1:09:25
amazing
1:09:25
thing.
1:09:26
I
1:09:26
mean,
1:09:26
YouTube
1:09:27
has
1:09:27
its
1:09:27
place,
1:09:28
but
1:09:28
there's
1:09:28
really
1:09:30
no
1:09:30
substitute
1:09:31
for
1:09:31
being
1:09:32
on
1:09:32
the
1:09:32
water
1:09:32
with
1:09:33
people
1:09:33
who
1:09:33
know
1:09:34
the
1:09:34
fishery
1:09:35
and
1:09:35
kind
1:09:35
of
1:09:36
know
1:09:36
the
1:09:36
game
1:09:36
inside
1:09:37
out.
1:09:37
I
1:09:37
mean,
1:09:37
I
1:09:37
always
1:09:37
tell
1:09:38
people
1:09:38
that
1:09:38
are
1:09:38
kind
1:09:38
of
1:09:39
new
1:09:39
in
1:09:39
the
1:09:39
sport
1:09:40
or
1:09:40
feel
1:09:40
kind
1:09:40
of
1:09:40
stuck
1:09:41
that
1:09:41
the
1:09:41
best
1:09:41
thing
1:09:41
you
1:09:41
can
1:09:42
do
1:09:42
is
1:09:42
to
1:09:42
go
1:09:42
find
1:09:42
a
1:09:43
good
1:09:43
teaching
1:09:43
guide
1:09:43
and
1:09:43
go
1:09:44
spend
1:09:44
some
1:09:44
time
1:09:44
on
1:09:44
the
1:09:44
water
1:09:45
with
1:09:45
them.
1:09:47
Absolutely.
1:09:47
I'm
1:09:48
a
1:09:48
firm
1:09:48
believer
1:09:49
and
1:09:49
I
1:09:49
tell
1:09:49
clients
1:09:50
my,
1:09:51
you
1:09:51
know,
1:09:51
they're,
1:09:52
hey,
1:09:52
we're
1:09:52
going
1:09:52
down
1:09:52
to,
1:09:53
you
1:09:53
know,
1:09:54
the
1:09:54
Outer
1:09:54
Banks
1:09:55
or,
1:09:55
or
1:09:56
Virginia
1:09:56
beach
1:09:57
or
1:09:57
wherever.
1:09:58
Right.
1:09:58
And
1:09:58
they're
1:09:59
like,
1:09:59
where,
1:09:59
where
1:09:59
should
1:09:59
I
1:09:59
go
1:10:00
fish?
1:10:00
And
1:10:00
the
1:10:01
first
1:10:01
thing
1:10:01
I
1:10:01
tell
1:10:01
them
1:10:01
is
1:10:01
like,
1:10:02
look,
1:10:02
you
1:10:03
know,
1:10:03
finances
1:10:03
allow.
1:10:04
You
1:10:04
should
1:10:04
always
1:10:05
book
1:10:05
a
1:10:05
guide.
1:10:06
You're
1:10:06
gonna,
1:10:07
I
1:10:07
mean,
1:10:08
your
1:10:08
time
1:10:08
is
1:10:09
going
1:10:09
to
1:10:09
be
1:10:09
better
1:10:10
spent
1:10:11
despite,
1:10:11
you
1:10:11
know,
1:10:12
the
1:10:12
fact
1:10:12
that
1:10:12
there's
1:10:12
an
1:10:13
entry
1:10:13
cost.
1:10:14
Your
1:10:14
time
1:10:14
is
1:10:14
going
1:10:14
to
1:10:15
be
1:10:15
better
1:10:15
spent,
1:10:16
you
1:10:16
know,
1:10:16
with
1:10:17
a
1:10:17
guide.
1:10:17
Because
1:10:18
whenever
1:10:18
you're
1:10:19
in
1:10:19
this,
1:10:19
you
1:10:19
know,
1:10:19
you're
1:10:20
in
1:10:20
the
1:10:20
New
1:10:20
River
1:10:20
Valley
1:10:21
or
1:10:21
you're
1:10:21
down
1:10:22
in
1:10:22
Virginia
1:10:23
beach
1:10:23
or
1:10:23
whatever,
1:10:24
you
1:10:24
may
1:10:24
only
1:10:24
have
1:10:24
eight
1:10:25
hours
1:10:25
to
1:10:25
fit
1:10:25
that
1:10:26
entire
1:10:26
week
1:10:27
or
1:10:27
four
1:10:27
days
1:10:27
or
1:10:28
however
1:10:28
long
1:10:28
you
1:10:28
are,
1:10:28
it
1:10:29
might
1:10:29
as
1:10:29
well
1:10:29
be
1:10:29
spent
1:10:30
with
1:10:30
somebody
1:10:31
that's
1:10:31
going
1:10:31
to
1:10:31
put
1:10:31
you
1:10:31
in
1:10:31
the
1:10:32
best
1:10:32
position
1:10:33
to
1:10:33
succeed.
1:10:34
Right.
1:10:34
And
1:10:34
then
1:10:34
also
1:10:36
you
1:10:36
may
1:10:36
learn
1:10:37
something
1:10:37
or
1:10:37
you
1:10:37
should,
1:10:38
in
1:10:38
my
1:10:38
opinion,
1:10:39
learn
1:10:39
something
1:10:39
that
1:10:39
you
1:10:39
can
1:10:40
take
1:10:40
somewhere
1:10:40
else.
1:10:41
That's,
1:10:41
that's
1:10:42
a
1:10:42
big
1:10:42
thing
1:10:43
with
1:10:43
me.
1:10:44
You
1:10:44
know,
1:10:45
I'm
1:10:45
hoping
1:10:45
that
1:10:45
somebody
1:10:46
will
1:10:46
leave.
1:10:47
And
1:10:47
it
1:10:47
may
1:10:47
not
1:10:48
always
1:10:48
translate
1:10:48
from
1:10:49
smallmouth
1:10:50
or
1:10:50
muskie
1:10:50
to
1:10:50
a
1:10:51
redfish
1:10:51
trip,
1:10:51
but
1:10:52
they
1:10:53
can
1:10:53
be
1:10:53
a
1:10:53
little
1:10:53
bit
1:10:53
better.
1:10:54
And
1:10:55
you
1:10:55
know,
1:10:55
most
1:10:55
guides
1:10:56
that
1:10:56
you're
1:10:56
going
1:10:56
to
1:10:56
book
1:10:56
with,
1:10:56
or
1:10:57
hopefully
1:10:57
most
1:10:57
guys
1:10:58
you're
1:10:58
going
1:10:58
to
1:10:58
book
1:10:58
with,
1:10:58
are
1:10:58
going
1:10:58
to
1:10:59
employ
1:10:59
that
1:10:59
same
1:11:00
philosophy
1:11:01
where,
1:11:01
you
1:11:01
know,
1:11:02
there's
1:11:02
just
1:11:02
something
1:11:03
that
1:11:03
you
1:11:03
can
1:11:03
learn
1:11:04
along
1:11:05
the
1:11:05
way
1:11:05
throughout
1:11:05
the
1:11:05
trip
1:11:06
and
1:11:06
leave
1:11:06
with
1:11:06
it
1:11:07
and
1:11:07
it'll
1:11:07
stick
1:11:08
with
1:11:08
you
1:11:08
forever.
1:11:08
So,
1:11:09
so
1:11:09
yeah,
1:11:09
I'm,
1:11:10
I'm
1:11:10
a
1:11:10
big
1:11:10
proponent
1:11:11
of
1:11:11
that
1:11:11
is,
1:11:11
is
1:11:11
at
1:11:12
the
1:11:12
very
1:11:12
least,
1:11:12
at
1:11:12
the
1:11:13
very
1:11:13
least
1:11:13
you
1:11:13
should
1:11:13
find
1:11:14
a
1:11:14
fly
1:11:14
shop
1:11:15
or
1:11:15
something,
1:11:16
go
1:11:16
in
1:11:16
there
1:11:17
and
1:11:17
chat
1:11:17
with
1:11:17
them,
1:11:17
because
1:11:18
there's
1:11:18
nothing,
1:11:18
like
1:11:18
you
1:11:19
said,
1:11:19
that's
1:11:19
going
1:11:19
to
1:11:19
be
1:11:20
on
1:11:20
the
1:11:20
water
1:11:20
experience
1:11:21
and,
1:11:22
and
1:11:22
YouTube
1:11:22
can
1:11:22
be
1:11:23
great
1:11:23
too,
1:11:23
for
1:11:24
sure.
1:11:24
But,
1:11:24
but
1:11:25
the
1:11:25
hands
1:11:25
on
1:11:25
experience
1:11:26
is
1:11:26
hard
1:11:26
to
1:11:26
beat.
1:11:27
Yeah.
1:11:27
And
1:11:27
then
1:11:28
I
1:11:28
always
1:11:28
say,
1:11:28
if
1:11:28
You've
1:11:28
gone
1:11:28
to
1:11:29
all
1:11:29
that
1:11:29
trouble
1:11:29
to
1:11:29
find
1:11:29
the
1:11:30
best
1:11:30
guide.
1:11:30
Please
1:11:31
listen
1:11:31
to
1:11:31
them.
1:11:32
Right?
1:11:33
Yeah.
1:11:34
Yeah,
1:11:34
for
1:11:34
sure.
1:11:35
I
1:11:35
mean,
1:11:35
we.
1:11:36
We
1:11:36
definitely
1:11:37
appreciate
1:11:37
when
1:11:38
people
1:11:38
listen.
1:11:39
It's
1:11:39
like,
1:11:40
it's.
1:11:41
It
1:11:41
can
1:11:41
be
1:11:41
the
1:11:41
difference
1:11:42
between.
1:11:43
And
1:11:43
I
1:11:43
tell
1:11:43
people
1:11:43
this
1:11:44
all
1:11:44
the
1:11:44
time.
1:11:44
Like,
1:11:44
you
1:11:45
don't
1:11:45
want
1:11:45
to
1:11:45
seem
1:11:45
like
1:11:45
a
1:11:45
nag,
1:11:46
but,
1:11:47
you
1:11:47
know,
1:11:48
you
1:11:48
kind
1:11:48
of
1:11:48
reinforce,
1:11:49
like,
1:11:49
hey,
1:11:49
you
1:11:50
know,
1:11:50
I
1:11:50
don't
1:11:50
want
1:11:50
to
1:11:50
just
1:11:51
be
1:11:51
here
1:11:51
to
1:11:51
row
1:11:51
you
1:11:51
down
1:11:52
the
1:11:52
river.
1:11:52
That's
1:11:52
not
1:11:52
my
1:11:53
job.
1:11:53
So,
1:11:54
like,
1:11:54
hey,
1:11:54
slow
1:11:55
it
1:11:55
down.
1:11:55
You
1:11:55
know,
1:11:56
put
1:11:56
a
1:11:56
pause
1:11:57
in
1:11:57
that.
1:11:57
You
1:11:57
know,
1:11:58
whatever.
1:11:58
And
1:11:58
it's
1:11:58
like,
1:11:59
boom,
1:11:59
there's
1:11:59
one.
1:11:59
And
1:11:59
they're
1:12:00
like,
1:12:00
oh,
1:12:00
you
1:12:00
know,
1:12:01
it's
1:12:01
like,
1:12:01
sometimes
1:12:01
you'll
1:12:02
have
1:12:02
those
1:12:02
moments
1:12:02
where
1:12:02
people
1:12:03
are
1:12:03
like,
1:12:03
you
1:12:04
know,
1:12:04
they're
1:12:04
hitting
1:12:04
fish,
1:12:05
and
1:12:05
then
1:12:05
they're
1:12:05
like,
1:12:06
20
1:12:06
minutes
1:12:06
where
1:12:07
they've
1:12:07
got
1:12:07
completely
1:12:08
off
1:12:08
rhythm,
1:12:09
and
1:12:09
then
1:12:09
they're
1:12:09
like,
1:12:10
you
1:12:10
think
1:12:10
we
1:12:10
should
1:12:10
switch
1:12:10
the
1:12:11
fly?
1:12:11
And
1:12:11
I'm
1:12:12
like,
1:12:12
hey,
1:12:12
let
1:12:12
me
1:12:12
show
1:12:12
you
1:12:12
something
1:12:13
real
1:12:13
quick.
1:12:13
You
1:12:13
put
1:12:13
it
1:12:13
back
1:12:13
in
1:12:14
there,
1:12:14
you
1:12:14
fish
1:12:14
it
1:12:14
the
1:12:15
exact
1:12:15
same
1:12:15
way
1:12:15
they
1:12:15
were
1:12:16
fishing
1:12:16
at
1:12:16
30
1:12:16
minutes
1:12:17
ago.
1:12:17
And
1:12:17
then,
1:12:18
boom,
1:12:18
there's
1:12:18
a
1:12:18
fish,
1:12:19
you
1:12:19
hand
1:12:19
it
1:12:19
to
1:12:19
them,
1:12:19
and
1:12:20
it's.
1:12:20
That's
1:12:20
always
1:12:20
such,
1:12:21
like
1:12:21
a,
1:12:21
ah.
1:12:22
Moment
1:12:22
where
1:12:22
it's
1:12:23
like,
1:12:23
yeah,
1:12:23
you
1:12:24
just
1:12:24
got.
1:12:24
You
1:12:24
got
1:12:24
a
1:12:24
little
1:12:25
off
1:12:25
track.
1:12:25
But
1:12:26
that's
1:12:26
another
1:12:26
thing.
1:12:27
I
1:12:27
mean,
1:12:27
I
1:12:28
love
1:12:28
when
1:12:28
people
1:12:29
all
1:12:29
day,
1:12:30
like,
1:12:30
I
1:12:30
think
1:12:30
people
1:12:31
think
1:12:31
that
1:12:31
it's
1:12:31
annoying,
1:12:32
but
1:12:32
they're
1:12:33
like,
1:12:33
I
1:12:33
love
1:12:33
when
1:12:33
people
1:12:34
all
1:12:34
day
1:12:35
ask
1:12:35
questions
1:12:35
and
1:12:36
they're
1:12:36
engaged.
1:12:36
If
1:12:36
you're.
1:12:37
If
1:12:37
you're
1:12:37
engaged
1:12:38
with
1:12:38
me
1:12:39
and
1:12:39
we're
1:12:39
chatting
1:12:40
all
1:12:40
day,
1:12:40
we're.
1:12:41
That's
1:12:41
more
1:12:41
often
1:12:42
than
1:12:42
not.
1:12:42
That's
1:12:42
a
1:12:42
successful
1:12:43
day.
1:12:43
You
1:12:43
know,
1:12:43
we're
1:12:44
like,
1:12:44
you
1:12:44
know,
1:12:45
we're.
1:12:45
We're
1:12:45
sharing
1:12:46
in
1:12:46
this
1:12:46
experience.
1:12:47
We're.
1:12:47
We're
1:12:47
partners
1:12:48
here.
1:12:48
I'm
1:12:48
trying
1:12:48
to
1:12:48
watch
1:12:49
you
1:12:49
succeed,
1:12:50
and
1:12:51
I
1:12:51
love
1:12:51
that.
1:12:52
And
1:12:52
it
1:12:52
doesn't
1:12:53
ever
1:12:53
bother
1:12:53
me.
1:12:54
I
1:12:54
mean,
1:12:54
sometimes
1:12:54
it's
1:12:55
funny.
1:12:55
And
1:12:55
then
1:12:55
you,
1:12:56
you
1:12:56
know,
1:12:56
you
1:12:57
end
1:12:57
up
1:12:57
asking
1:12:58
the
1:12:58
same
1:12:58
things
1:12:58
over
1:12:59
and
1:12:59
over
1:12:59
again.
1:12:59
But
1:12:59
I
1:12:59
would
1:13:00
prefer
1:13:00
that
1:13:00
than
1:13:00
somebody
1:13:01
who
1:13:01
books
1:13:02
a
1:13:02
trip
1:13:02
and
1:13:02
then,
1:13:03
you
1:13:03
know,
1:13:03
doesn't.
1:13:04
It
1:13:04
doesn't
1:13:05
want
1:13:06
to
1:13:06
learn
1:13:06
anything
1:13:07
all
1:13:07
day,
1:13:07
you
1:13:08
know,
1:13:08
because
1:13:08
I'm
1:13:09
not
1:13:09
there
1:13:09
to
1:13:09
just
1:13:10
row
1:13:10
somebody
1:13:10
down
1:13:11
a
1:13:11
river.
1:13:11
That's
1:13:11
not
1:13:12
the
1:13:12
experience
1:13:13
with
1:13:13
me.
1:13:13
You
1:13:14
know
1:13:14
what
1:13:14
I
1:13:14
mean?
1:13:14
I'm
1:13:14
there
1:13:15
to
1:13:15
help
1:13:15
you
1:13:15
hunt
1:13:15
the
1:13:15
fly
1:13:16
for
1:13:17
specific
1:13:17
fish
1:13:18
or
1:13:18
help
1:13:19
you
1:13:19
grow
1:13:19
as
1:13:19
an
1:13:19
angler.
1:13:20
And.
1:13:20
And
1:13:21
I
1:13:21
think
1:13:21
you're
1:13:21
right.
1:13:21
I
1:13:21
mean,
1:13:22
just
1:13:22
listen
1:13:22
to
1:13:22
your
1:13:22
guide.
1:13:23
I
1:13:23
know
1:13:23
that's
1:13:23
a
1:13:23
common
1:13:24
trope,
1:13:24
but,
1:13:25
yeah,
1:13:26
listen,
1:13:26
I
1:13:27
don't
1:13:27
care
1:13:27
where
1:13:27
you
1:13:27
go
1:13:28
Louisiana,
1:13:29
California,
1:13:29
New
1:13:29
York,
1:13:30
Bahamas.
1:13:31
Listen
1:13:32
to
1:13:32
your
1:13:32
guide
1:13:32
and
1:13:33
ask
1:13:33
questions.
1:13:34
They'll
1:13:34
tell
1:13:34
you
1:13:34
if
1:13:35
they
1:13:35
want
1:13:35
you
1:13:35
to
1:13:35
stop
1:13:35
asking
1:13:36
them.
1:13:36
But
1:13:36
I
1:13:37
think
1:13:37
you
1:13:37
should,
1:13:38
you
1:13:38
should
1:13:38
start
1:13:38
by
1:13:38
asking
1:13:39
questions.
1:13:40
Yeah,
1:13:40
for
1:13:40
sure.
1:13:40
And
1:13:41
so
1:13:41
let's
1:13:41
see,
1:13:41
we've
1:13:41
got,
1:13:42
so
1:13:42
if
1:13:42
we
1:13:43
want
1:13:43
to
1:13:43
like
1:13:43
kind
1:13:43
of
1:13:43
walk
1:13:44
through
1:13:44
the
1:13:44
rest
1:13:44
of
1:13:44
the
1:13:45
team
1:13:45
at
1:13:45
Virginia
1:13:45
Trophy
1:13:46
guys,
1:13:46
it's,
1:13:47
it's
1:13:47
you
1:13:47
and
1:13:47
Josh
1:13:49
and
1:13:49
then
1:13:50
you've
1:13:50
got
1:13:50
Skippy
1:13:51
Britches,
1:13:51
right?
1:13:51
Is
1:13:51
the
1:13:52
kind
1:13:52
of
1:13:52
the
1:13:52
new
1:13:52
young
1:13:52
guy,
1:13:53
Braden
1:13:53
Miller?
1:13:55
Yeah.
1:13:56
Yeah.
1:13:56
So
1:13:57
Josh
1:13:57
and
1:13:57
I
1:13:57
are,
1:13:58
you
1:13:58
know,
1:14:00
co
1:14:01
owners
1:14:01
of
1:14:01
Virginia
1:14:02
Trophy
1:14:02
Guides.
1:14:02
And,
1:14:03
and
1:14:03
Josh,
1:14:04
like
1:14:04
I
1:14:04
said,
1:14:04
he's
1:14:04
been
1:14:04
a
1:14:05
fly
1:14:06
fishing
1:14:06
and
1:14:06
conventional
1:14:07
tackle
1:14:08
guide
1:14:09
and
1:14:10
on
1:14:10
both
1:14:10
the
1:14:10
new
1:14:11
and
1:14:11
the
1:14:11
James
1:14:11
river
1:14:12
for
1:14:12
over
1:14:13
two
1:14:13
decades.
1:14:15
And
1:14:15
then
1:14:16
Braden,
1:14:16
you
1:14:16
know,
1:14:17
that
1:14:17
was,
1:14:17
that's
1:14:17
the
1:14:19
new
1:14:20
addition,
1:14:20
I
1:14:21
guess,
1:14:21
in
1:14:21
the
1:14:21
last
1:14:22
year,
1:14:22
two
1:14:22
years.
1:14:24
You
1:14:25
know,
1:14:25
he,
1:14:25
he
1:14:26
is
1:14:26
a
1:14:26
really
1:14:27
talented,
1:14:28
really
1:14:28
funny
1:14:30
kid.
1:14:30
And
1:14:30
he's,
1:14:31
he's
1:14:31
not
1:14:31
only
1:14:32
an
1:14:32
exceptional
1:14:33
angler
1:14:33
and
1:14:33
it
1:14:34
at
1:14:34
times
1:14:35
will
1:14:35
make
1:14:35
you
1:14:35
self
1:14:35
conscious
1:14:36
cushion
1:14:37
around
1:14:37
him.
1:14:37
But,
1:14:38
but
1:14:38
he's,
1:14:39
he's
1:14:39
really
1:14:40
turned
1:14:40
into
1:14:41
a
1:14:41
phenomenal
1:14:42
guide
1:14:43
and
1:14:44
at
1:14:44
a
1:14:44
very
1:14:44
young
1:14:45
age.
1:14:46
And
1:14:46
he
1:14:46
did
1:14:46
his
1:14:46
first
1:14:47
season
1:14:47
up
1:14:47
in
1:14:48
Alaska
1:14:48
with
1:14:48
Josh
1:14:48
and
1:14:49
I
1:14:49
think
1:14:49
that
1:14:49
was
1:14:49
kind
1:14:49
of
1:14:49
a
1:14:50
growing
1:14:50
experience.
1:14:50
In
1:14:51
the
1:14:51
last
1:14:51
couple
1:14:51
years,
1:14:51
he's
1:14:52
mated
1:14:53
for
1:14:53
Jake
1:14:54
Jordan
1:14:54
down
1:14:54
in
1:14:55
North
1:14:55
Carolina
1:14:55
for
1:14:55
Albies
1:14:56
and
1:14:56
Bull
1:14:56
Drum.
1:14:56
And
1:14:57
this
1:14:57
year
1:14:58
we
1:14:58
actually
1:14:58
went
1:14:58
down
1:14:58
and
1:14:58
fished
1:14:58
with
1:14:59
him
1:14:59
actually
1:14:59
just
1:15:00
a
1:15:00
few
1:15:00
days
1:15:00
ago.
1:15:02
You
1:15:02
know,
1:15:02
he's
1:15:02
kind
1:15:02
of,
1:15:03
you
1:15:03
know,
1:15:04
like
1:15:04
as
1:15:05
Jake
1:15:05
wants
1:15:06
a
1:15:06
day
1:15:06
off
1:15:06
or
1:15:06
days
1:15:07
off
1:15:07
or
1:15:07
whatever.
1:15:08
Braden's
1:15:08
running
1:15:09
the
1:15:09
boat.
1:15:09
You
1:15:09
know,
1:15:09
he's
1:15:10
a
1:15:10
full
1:15:10
licensed
1:15:11
captain.
1:15:11
We
1:15:11
all
1:15:12
are.
1:15:12
And,
1:15:13
you
1:15:13
know,
1:15:14
and
1:15:14
he
1:15:14
did
1:15:14
a,
1:15:15
it
1:15:15
wasn't
1:15:16
a
1:15:16
shock
1:15:16
to
1:15:16
us,
1:15:17
but
1:15:18
he,
1:15:18
he
1:15:18
worked
1:15:18
his
1:15:18
ass
1:15:19
off
1:15:19
for
1:15:20
the
1:15:20
couple
1:15:20
days
1:15:21
we
1:15:21
were
1:15:21
down
1:15:21
there.
1:15:21
And
1:15:24
you
1:15:24
know,
1:15:25
he's,
1:15:25
like
1:15:25
I
1:15:26
said
1:15:26
for
1:15:26
19,
1:15:27
it's,
1:15:28
it's
1:15:28
pretty
1:15:28
impressive.
1:15:29
The
1:15:30
guy
1:15:30
that
1:15:30
he's
1:15:30
turning
1:15:31
into,
1:15:31
he's
1:15:32
got
1:15:32
all
1:15:32
the
1:15:32
talents
1:15:32
in
1:15:33
the
1:15:33
world.
1:15:33
Humble
1:15:33
kid,
1:15:34
funny
1:15:35
as
1:15:35
can
1:15:35
be,
1:15:37
man.
1:15:37
Yeah.
1:15:38
Skippy
1:15:38
Britches.
1:15:41
I
1:15:42
can't.
1:15:42
What
1:15:42
is
1:15:42
it
1:15:42
that.
1:15:43
Well,
1:15:44
his
1:15:44
mom
1:15:44
calls
1:15:44
him
1:15:45
Precious
1:15:45
and
1:15:45
Blaine
1:15:46
likes
1:15:46
to
1:15:46
call
1:15:46
him
1:15:46
Precious
1:15:47
too.
1:15:47
We
1:15:47
all
1:15:48
like
1:15:48
to
1:15:48
call
1:15:48
him
1:15:48
Precious.
1:15:48
I
1:15:49
love
1:15:49
that.
1:15:49
That's
1:15:49
out
1:15:49
on
1:15:49
the
1:15:49
airwaves.
1:15:50
Yeah.
1:15:51
So
1:15:51
if
1:15:51
you
1:15:51
see
1:15:51
him
1:15:51
at
1:15:52
a
1:15:52
show
1:15:53
and
1:15:53
then
1:15:53
you
1:15:53
can
1:15:53
also
1:15:54
impress
1:15:54
us
1:15:54
and
1:15:55
you'll
1:15:55
also,
1:15:55
if
1:15:55
you
1:15:55
talk
1:15:56
to
1:15:56
him
1:15:56
in
1:15:56
a
1:15:56
fly
1:15:56
fishing
1:15:57
show,
1:15:57
he
1:15:57
doesn't
1:15:57
like
1:15:57
to
1:15:58
sell
1:15:58
his
1:15:58
flies.
1:15:59
So.
1:16:00
No,
1:16:00
no,
1:16:01
he's,
1:16:01
it's
1:16:01
for.
1:16:02
And
1:16:02
that's
1:16:02
another
1:16:02
thing
1:16:03
too.
1:16:03
I
1:16:03
mean,
1:16:04
he
1:16:04
is
1:16:04
an
1:16:05
exceptionally
1:16:06
talented
1:16:07
fly
1:16:07
tire
1:16:08
and
1:16:08
I
1:16:08
Think
1:16:08
that
1:16:08
part
1:16:09
of
1:16:09
it
1:16:09
too
1:16:09
is,
1:16:10
you
1:16:10
know,
1:16:10
he
1:16:11
doesn't
1:16:11
get
1:16:11
enough
1:16:11
credit
1:16:11
for.
1:16:12
I
1:16:12
mean,
1:16:12
he,
1:16:12
it
1:16:13
was
1:16:13
like,
1:16:13
we
1:16:13
joke.
1:16:13
He
1:16:13
was
1:16:14
born
1:16:14
in
1:16:14
a
1:16:14
fly
1:16:14
fishing
1:16:15
booth,
1:16:15
you
1:16:16
know,
1:16:16
and
1:16:17
he
1:16:17
was,
1:16:18
you
1:16:18
know,
1:16:18
I
1:16:18
mean,
1:16:18
in
1:16:18
a
1:16:19
lot
1:16:19
of
1:16:19
ways
1:16:19
he's
1:16:19
been
1:16:20
there
1:16:20
and
1:16:20
present
1:16:20
in
1:16:21
that
1:16:21
part
1:16:21
of
1:16:21
the
1:16:21
industry
1:16:22
for.
1:16:22
Since
1:16:22
he
1:16:23
was
1:16:23
what,
1:16:23
12?
1:16:24
I
1:16:24
mean,
1:16:24
you've
1:16:24
known
1:16:24
him
1:16:24
longer
1:16:25
than
1:16:25
I
1:16:25
have
1:16:27
and
1:16:29
you
1:16:29
know,
1:16:29
he's
1:16:29
a
1:16:30
talented
1:16:30
tire
1:16:30
and
1:16:30
I
1:16:31
think
1:16:31
he's
1:16:31
just
1:16:31
like,
1:16:32
he
1:16:32
spent
1:16:32
so
1:16:32
long
1:16:33
doing
1:16:33
it.
1:16:33
I
1:16:34
have
1:16:34
seen
1:16:34
it
1:16:34
now
1:16:34
where
1:16:35
he
1:16:35
works
1:16:35
shows
1:16:36
with
1:16:36
us
1:16:36
where
1:16:37
he's
1:16:37
trying
1:16:37
to
1:16:38
talk
1:16:38
about
1:16:38
his
1:16:38
fishing
1:16:39
program.
1:16:40
And
1:16:40
it's
1:16:40
like
1:16:40
he's
1:16:40
almost
1:16:41
trying
1:16:41
to
1:16:41
make
1:16:41
time
1:16:42
take
1:16:42
a
1:16:43
slight
1:16:43
back
1:16:43
seat
1:16:44
because
1:16:44
he's.
1:16:44
People
1:16:45
are
1:16:45
like,
1:16:45
hey,
1:16:45
hey,
1:16:45
how
1:16:46
do
1:16:46
I
1:16:46
do
1:16:46
this?
1:16:46
How
1:16:46
do
1:16:46
I
1:16:46
do
1:16:47
this?
1:16:47
And
1:16:47
he's
1:16:47
like,
1:16:47
I
1:16:48
want
1:16:48
to
1:16:48
talk
1:16:48
to
1:16:48
you
1:16:48
about
1:16:49
smallmouth
1:16:49
fishing
1:16:50
or
1:16:50
muskie
1:16:51
fishing
1:16:51
or
1:16:51
albie
1:16:51
fishing,
1:16:52
you
1:16:52
know,
1:16:53
so.
1:16:54
So
1:16:54
yeah,
1:16:54
he's.
1:16:55
He
1:16:55
will
1:16:55
not.
1:16:56
He
1:16:56
won't.
1:16:56
He
1:16:56
won't
1:16:56
sell
1:16:57
you
1:16:57
any
1:16:57
flies.
1:16:57
He
1:16:57
won't
1:16:58
even
1:16:58
sell
1:16:58
me
1:16:58
flies.
1:16:59
So
1:17:00
good
1:17:00
luck.
1:17:01
You
1:17:01
need
1:17:01
to
1:17:02
talk
1:17:02
to
1:17:02
his
1:17:02
mom.
1:17:02
She'll
1:17:02
get
1:17:03
it
1:17:03
set
1:17:03
for
1:17:03
you.
1:17:05
Yeah,
1:17:06
she'll
1:17:07
get
1:17:07
them
1:17:07
straight.
1:17:09
So
1:17:09
that's
1:17:09
your
1:17:09
team.
1:17:10
And
1:17:10
you
1:17:10
touched
1:17:11
on
1:17:11
this
1:17:11
a
1:17:11
little
1:17:11
bit
1:17:11
and
1:17:11
we
1:17:12
talked
1:17:12
about
1:17:12
this
1:17:12
in
1:17:12
the
1:17:12
pre
1:17:13
interview
1:17:13
talk,
1:17:13
but
1:17:13
you've
1:17:13
kind
1:17:14
of
1:17:14
brushed
1:17:15
up
1:17:15
against
1:17:15
it
1:17:15
while
1:17:16
we've
1:17:16
been
1:17:16
talking
1:17:16
this
1:17:16
evening.
1:17:19
I'm
1:17:20
a
1:17:20
little
1:17:20
bit
1:17:20
older
1:17:20
than
1:17:21
Blaine,
1:17:21
but
1:17:21
we're
1:17:21
about
1:17:21
the
1:17:22
same
1:17:22
age,
1:17:22
so
1:17:22
we
1:17:22
kind
1:17:22
of
1:17:22
have
1:17:23
a
1:17:23
similar
1:17:23
perspective
1:17:24
on
1:17:25
what
1:17:25
the
1:17:25
fisheries
1:17:26
were
1:17:26
like
1:17:27
when
1:17:27
we
1:17:27
were
1:17:27
younger
1:17:28
in
1:17:28
central
1:17:28
Virginia.
1:17:29
And
1:17:29
Blaine
1:17:29
certainly
1:17:29
more
1:17:29
so
1:17:30
than
1:17:30
me
1:17:30
because,
1:17:31
you
1:17:31
know,
1:17:31
I
1:17:31
didn't
1:17:31
have
1:17:31
access
1:17:32
to
1:17:32
a
1:17:32
boat
1:17:32
as
1:17:32
a
1:17:32
kid,
1:17:33
so.
1:17:34
But
1:17:34
I
1:17:34
know,
1:17:35
you
1:17:35
know,
1:17:35
you've
1:17:36
been
1:17:36
in
1:17:36
the
1:17:36
game
1:17:36
long
1:17:36
enough
1:17:37
to
1:17:37
see
1:17:37
the
1:17:37
changes.
1:17:37
I
1:17:37
mean,
1:17:38
you
1:17:38
know,
1:17:38
we've
1:17:39
got
1:17:39
a
1:17:39
great
1:17:40
program,
1:17:41
you
1:17:42
know,
1:17:42
kind
1:17:42
of
1:17:42
in,
1:17:42
you
1:17:43
know,
1:17:43
the
1:17:43
mid
1:17:43
Atlantic,
1:17:44
but
1:17:44
people
1:17:44
also
1:17:45
know
1:17:45
it's
1:17:45
a
1:17:45
great
1:17:45
program.
1:17:46
And
1:17:46
so
1:17:46
we've
1:17:46
seen
1:17:46
a
1:17:46
pretty
1:17:47
radical
1:17:48
increase
1:17:48
in
1:17:48
fishing
1:17:49
pressure
1:17:50
and
1:17:50
we've
1:17:50
certainly
1:17:51
seen
1:17:51
impacts
1:17:52
on
1:17:52
fishing
1:17:52
populations.
1:17:53
I
1:17:53
mean,
1:17:53
I
1:17:53
think,
1:17:53
you
1:17:54
know,
1:17:54
knock
1:17:54
on
1:17:54
wood,
1:17:54
we've
1:17:55
had
1:17:55
probably
1:17:56
in
1:17:56
the
1:17:56
last
1:17:57
five
1:17:57
or
1:17:57
six
1:17:57
years
1:17:57
pretty
1:17:58
good
1:17:58
smallmouth
1:17:58
spawns.
1:17:59
But,
1:18:00
you
1:18:00
know,
1:18:01
the
1:18:01
fisheries
1:18:01
are
1:18:02
certainly
1:18:02
not
1:18:02
what
1:18:02
they
1:18:02
were
1:18:03
say
1:18:03
in
1:18:03
the
1:18:03
80s
1:18:03
or
1:18:04
the
1:18:04
90s,
1:18:04
and
1:18:05
was
1:18:05
kind
1:18:05
of
1:18:05
curious,
1:18:05
you
1:18:06
know,
1:18:06
your
1:18:06
thoughts
1:18:06
on
1:18:06
what
1:18:07
you
1:18:07
think
1:18:07
we
1:18:07
need
1:18:07
to
1:18:08
do
1:18:08
so
1:18:08
that
1:18:09
current
1:18:09
and
1:18:09
future
1:18:09
generations
1:18:10
can
1:18:10
continue
1:18:11
to
1:18:11
enjoy
1:18:11
the
1:18:11
resource.
1:18:12
And
1:18:12
probably
1:18:12
an
1:18:13
add
1:18:13
on
1:18:13
question
1:18:13
there
1:18:13
is
1:18:14
another
1:18:14
piece
1:18:14
of
1:18:14
this
1:18:14
puzzle
1:18:15
is
1:18:16
we're
1:18:16
seeing
1:18:17
more
1:18:17
and
1:18:17
more
1:18:18
tech
1:18:18
Creep
1:18:19
into
1:18:20
fishing.
1:18:21
And
1:18:22
that's
1:18:22
kind
1:18:22
of
1:18:22
code
1:18:22
for
1:18:23
live
1:18:23
scoping
1:18:23
and
1:18:23
things
1:18:24
like
1:18:24
that.
1:18:24
So
1:18:24
why
1:18:24
don't
1:18:25
you
1:18:25
let
1:18:25
folks
1:18:25
know
1:18:25
what
1:18:25
you
1:18:25
think
1:18:26
about
1:18:26
all
1:18:26
that
1:18:26
stuff?
1:18:28
Yeah,
1:18:29
so
1:18:29
I
1:18:29
mean,
1:18:30
as
1:18:30
far
1:18:30
as
1:18:30
that
1:18:31
question
1:18:31
goes,
1:18:31
I,
1:18:32
you
1:18:32
know,
1:18:32
I
1:18:33
can,
1:18:33
I
1:18:33
can
1:18:33
speak
1:18:33
to
1:18:34
my,
1:18:34
my
1:18:34
own
1:18:34
experience
1:18:35
kind
1:18:35
of
1:18:36
only
1:18:36
here
1:18:36
where,
1:18:37
you
1:18:37
know,
1:18:37
when
1:18:38
I
1:18:38
was
1:18:38
younger,
1:18:39
when
1:18:39
I
1:18:39
was
1:18:39
a
1:18:39
kid,
1:18:40
teenager
1:18:41
fishing
1:18:41
with,
1:18:42
with
1:18:43
my
1:18:43
grandfather,
1:18:45
you
1:18:45
know,
1:18:45
it
1:18:45
was
1:18:46
not
1:18:46
uncommon
1:18:46
on
1:18:46
the
1:18:47
New
1:18:47
river
1:18:48
to
1:18:48
have
1:18:49
these
1:18:50
banner
1:18:50
days.
1:18:51
Right.
1:18:51
You
1:18:51
know,
1:18:52
and,
1:18:52
and
1:18:52
I
1:18:52
grew
1:18:52
up
1:18:52
fishing
1:18:53
with
1:18:53
gear,
1:18:53
you
1:18:54
know,
1:18:54
so
1:18:54
there's
1:18:55
an
1:18:55
asterisk
1:18:56
a
1:18:57
little
1:18:57
bit
1:18:57
or
1:18:57
in
1:18:57
the
1:18:57
fly
1:18:58
fishing
1:18:58
world
1:18:58
there's
1:18:58
considered
1:18:59
an
1:18:59
asterisk.
1:19:00
But
1:19:01
you
1:19:01
know,
1:19:02
where
1:19:02
you
1:19:02
would
1:19:02
see,
1:19:03
you
1:19:03
know,
1:19:04
you
1:19:04
could
1:19:04
see
1:19:04
10,
1:19:05
15,
1:19:06
20
1:19:07
citation
1:19:07
fish
1:19:08
days
1:19:08
a
1:19:09
smallmouth
1:19:09
in
1:19:10
March
1:19:10
and
1:19:10
April,
1:19:11
you
1:19:11
know,
1:19:11
where
1:19:12
you're
1:19:12
catching
1:19:13
citations,
1:19:14
you
1:19:14
know,
1:19:14
left
1:19:15
and
1:19:15
right,
1:19:15
back
1:19:15
to
1:19:15
back
1:19:16
and
1:19:16
not
1:19:16
even
1:19:16
moving
1:19:17
tons
1:19:18
of
1:19:18
river
1:19:18
miles.
1:19:20
And
1:19:20
you
1:19:20
know,
1:19:21
talking
1:19:21
to
1:19:22
Josh
1:19:22
and
1:19:22
Blaine,
1:19:23
sometimes
1:19:23
it
1:19:23
does
1:19:24
make
1:19:24
me
1:19:24
sick
1:19:24
to
1:19:25
hear
1:19:25
about,
1:19:26
you
1:19:26
know,
1:19:26
the
1:19:26
salad
1:19:27
date,
1:19:27
like
1:19:27
when
1:19:28
they
1:19:28
were
1:19:28
guiding
1:19:28
in
1:19:28
the
1:19:29
early
1:19:29
2000s
1:19:30
and
1:19:30
you
1:19:30
have,
1:19:31
you
1:19:31
know,
1:19:31
10
1:19:32
musky
1:19:32
days
1:19:33
and
1:19:33
you're
1:19:33
all
1:19:34
these
1:19:34
things
1:19:34
which,
1:19:34
I
1:19:34
mean,
1:19:35
they
1:19:35
can
1:19:35
still
1:19:36
happen.
1:19:36
Don't
1:19:36
get
1:19:36
me
1:19:36
wrong,
1:19:37
you
1:19:38
know,
1:19:38
the
1:19:38
fish
1:19:38
are
1:19:38
still
1:19:38
there.
1:19:38
In
1:19:39
fact
1:19:39
the
1:19:39
muskie
1:19:40
populations
1:19:41
according
1:19:41
to
1:19:41
our,
1:19:42
you
1:19:42
know,
1:19:44
to
1:19:44
our
1:19:44
state
1:19:44
agencies
1:19:45
or
1:19:46
in
1:19:46
better
1:19:46
density,
1:19:47
better
1:19:48
shape
1:19:48
than
1:19:48
they've
1:19:48
ever
1:19:49
been.
1:19:50
But
1:19:51
you
1:19:51
know,
1:19:52
those
1:19:52
days
1:19:52
where
1:19:52
there
1:19:53
was
1:19:53
the
1:19:53
lack
1:19:53
of
1:19:53
pressure,
1:19:54
you
1:19:54
know,
1:19:54
when
1:19:54
I
1:19:54
was
1:19:55
younger,
1:19:55
I
1:19:55
mean
1:19:56
we
1:19:56
would
1:19:56
go
1:19:56
to
1:19:56
a
1:19:56
boat
1:19:57
ramp,
1:19:57
you
1:19:57
know,
1:19:57
on
1:19:57
the
1:19:58
New
1:19:58
river
1:19:58
or
1:19:58
whatever
1:19:59
and
1:19:59
you
1:19:59
wouldn't
1:20:00
see
1:20:00
anybody
1:20:00
else
1:20:00
and,
1:20:01
and
1:20:01
that
1:20:01
was
1:20:01
a
1:20:01
Saturday
1:20:02
or
1:20:02
Sunday,
1:20:03
you
1:20:04
may
1:20:04
see
1:20:04
one
1:20:04
other
1:20:05
guy,
1:20:05
you
1:20:05
know
1:20:05
what
1:20:05
I
1:20:05
mean?
1:20:06
So,
1:20:07
you
1:20:08
know,
1:20:08
obviously
1:20:08
the
1:20:08
pressures
1:20:09
increased
1:20:10
the
1:20:10
way
1:20:10
that,
1:20:12
and
1:20:13
I
1:20:13
think
1:20:13
that
1:20:13
it's,
1:20:13
it's
1:20:14
a,
1:20:14
it's
1:20:14
a
1:20:14
mixture
1:20:15
of
1:20:15
pressure
1:20:16
and
1:20:16
then
1:20:16
it's
1:20:17
exactly
1:20:17
what
1:20:17
you
1:20:17
said.
1:20:18
So
1:20:18
the
1:20:19
number
1:20:19
one
1:20:19
enemy
1:20:20
to
1:20:22
successful,
1:20:23
you
1:20:24
know,
1:20:24
small
1:20:24
mouth
1:20:24
populations
1:20:25
in
1:20:25
Appalachia.
1:20:26
But
1:20:26
let's
1:20:26
just
1:20:27
say,
1:20:27
you
1:20:27
know,
1:20:27
the
1:20:27
two
1:20:27
rivers
1:20:28
I
1:20:28
guide
1:20:29
specifically
1:20:30
are,
1:20:31
is
1:20:31
the
1:20:31
fact
1:20:31
that
1:20:32
when
1:20:32
they
1:20:33
spawn
1:20:34
and
1:20:34
right
1:20:34
post
1:20:35
spawn
1:20:36
is
1:20:36
a
1:20:37
lady
1:20:37
season.
1:20:38
You
1:20:38
know,
1:20:38
in
1:20:38
Appalachia,
1:20:39
you
1:20:39
know,
1:20:39
temperate
1:20:40
rainforest,
1:20:41
you
1:20:41
know,
1:20:41
people
1:20:41
forget.
1:20:42
And
1:20:42
so
1:20:43
the
1:20:43
blowouts
1:20:44
hurt
1:20:44
those
1:20:45
fish,
1:20:46
hurt
1:20:47
the
1:20:47
numbers.
1:20:48
You
1:20:49
know,
1:20:49
traditionally
1:20:50
speaking
1:20:50
it
1:20:50
can.
1:20:51
There
1:20:51
are
1:20:51
obviously
1:20:52
years
1:20:52
where
1:20:53
it's
1:20:53
really
1:20:53
bad
1:20:54
for
1:20:54
a
1:20:54
couple
1:20:54
of
1:20:54
years.
1:20:54
And
1:20:55
then
1:20:55
like
1:20:55
you
1:20:56
said,
1:20:56
you
1:20:56
know,
1:20:56
the
1:20:56
last
1:20:57
four
1:20:57
or
1:20:57
five
1:20:57
years
1:20:58
have
1:20:58
been
1:20:58
fantastic
1:20:59
spawn
1:20:59
classes.
1:20:59
We've
1:21:00
had,
1:21:00
you
1:21:01
know,
1:21:01
minimal
1:21:02
high
1:21:02
water
1:21:03
events
1:21:03
during
1:21:04
their
1:21:04
spawning
1:21:05
and
1:21:05
those
1:21:05
classes
1:21:06
have
1:21:06
gone
1:21:06
out
1:21:06
off
1:21:07
with
1:21:07
a
1:21:07
bang.
1:21:07
And
1:21:07
it
1:21:07
Makes
1:21:07
you
1:21:08
look
1:21:08
forward
1:21:08
and
1:21:09
happy
1:21:10
for
1:21:11
what's
1:21:11
to
1:21:11
come
1:21:11
in
1:21:12
the
1:21:12
next
1:21:12
eight
1:21:12
years,
1:21:13
10
1:21:13
years
1:21:13
when
1:21:14
you
1:21:14
know
1:21:14
you've
1:21:14
got
1:21:15
a
1:21:15
really
1:21:16
healthy
1:21:16
population
1:21:17
of
1:21:17
18
1:21:17
to
1:21:18
22
1:21:18
inch
1:21:18
bass,
1:21:19
things
1:21:19
like
1:21:19
that,
1:21:19
which
1:21:20
right
1:21:20
now,
1:21:21
particularly
1:21:21
on
1:21:22
the
1:21:22
new,
1:21:22
where
1:21:23
I
1:21:23
do
1:21:23
90%
1:21:23
of,
1:21:24
you
1:21:24
know,
1:21:24
my
1:21:25
smallmouth
1:21:25
guiding
1:21:25
or
1:21:26
almost
1:21:26
all
1:21:26
of
1:21:27
it,
1:21:27
I
1:21:27
would
1:21:27
say,
1:21:28
you
1:21:29
know,
1:21:29
we've
1:21:29
got
1:21:29
a
1:21:29
really
1:21:30
healthy
1:21:30
population
1:21:31
of
1:21:32
18
1:21:32
to
1:21:33
22
1:21:33
inch
1:21:33
bass.
1:21:35
But
1:21:36
to
1:21:36
counter
1:21:37
that
1:21:37
we've
1:21:37
also
1:21:37
got
1:21:38
more
1:21:38
pressure
1:21:38
than
1:21:38
we
1:21:38
ever
1:21:39
had.
1:21:39
And
1:21:40
I
1:21:41
don't
1:21:41
think
1:21:41
a
1:21:41
lot
1:21:41
of
1:21:41
people
1:21:41
realize
1:21:42
this
1:21:42
either,
1:21:42
but
1:21:43
the
1:21:43
New
1:21:44
River,
1:21:45
I
1:21:45
can't
1:21:45
remember
1:21:45
what
1:21:46
the
1:21:46
publication
1:21:46
was,
1:21:47
but
1:21:47
it
1:21:47
was
1:21:48
like
1:21:48
a
1:21:48
bigger
1:21:49
kind
1:21:49
of
1:21:49
outdoor
1:21:50
publication.
1:21:50
But
1:21:51
the
1:21:52
New
1:21:52
river
1:21:53
was
1:21:54
considered
1:21:54
in
1:21:54
the
1:21:54
top
1:21:55
10
1:21:55
best
1:21:56
smallmouth
1:21:56
bass
1:21:56
fisheries
1:21:57
in
1:21:58
the
1:21:58
country
1:21:58
and
1:21:59
it
1:21:59
was
1:21:59
the
1:21:59
only
1:21:59
one
1:22:00
in
1:22:00
the
1:22:00
top
1:22:00
10
1:22:00
that
1:22:01
was
1:22:01
a
1:22:01
river.
1:22:02
So
1:22:03
it's
1:22:03
known
1:22:03
for
1:22:03
having
1:22:04
large
1:22:05
smallies
1:22:06
and
1:22:06
having
1:22:06
a
1:22:07
large
1:22:07
or
1:22:07
high
1:22:08
density
1:22:08
of
1:22:09
smallies
1:22:09
and
1:22:10
particularly
1:22:10
large
1:22:10
smallings.
1:22:11
It's
1:22:11
got
1:22:11
all
1:22:12
the,
1:22:12
all
1:22:12
the
1:22:12
trappings
1:22:13
of
1:22:13
a
1:22:13
great
1:22:13
smallmouth
1:22:14
river
1:22:14
habitat,
1:22:15
flow,
1:22:17
things
1:22:17
like
1:22:18
that.
1:22:18
Food,
1:22:18
I
1:22:19
mean
1:22:19
it's
1:22:19
a
1:22:19
food
1:22:19
factory.
1:22:20
I
1:22:20
mean
1:22:20
it's,
1:22:21
you
1:22:21
know,
1:22:21
I'm
1:22:22
sure
1:22:22
you've
1:22:22
seen
1:22:23
it
1:22:23
too.
1:22:23
But
1:22:23
I
1:22:23
mean
1:22:24
crawl
1:22:24
dads
1:22:25
that
1:22:25
their
1:22:25
tails
1:22:26
at
1:22:26
your
1:22:26
wrist
1:22:26
and
1:22:27
their
1:22:27
claws
1:22:27
are
1:22:27
beyond
1:22:28
your
1:22:28
middle
1:22:28
finger,
1:22:29
you
1:22:30
know,
1:22:30
lobsters
1:22:31
and
1:22:32
you
1:22:32
know,
1:22:32
helgrites
1:22:33
galore,
1:22:33
stone
1:22:33
rollers,
1:22:34
suckers,
1:22:34
chubbs,
1:22:35
whatever.
1:22:37
But
1:22:38
you
1:22:38
know,
1:22:38
the
1:22:38
pressure
1:22:39
is
1:22:39
higher
1:22:39
than
1:22:39
it
1:22:39
ever
1:22:40
has
1:22:40
been.
1:22:40
And
1:22:40
a
1:22:40
lot
1:22:41
of
1:22:41
that
1:22:41
is,
1:22:41
you
1:22:41
know,
1:22:42
social
1:22:42
media,
1:22:43
YouTube,
1:22:44
post
1:22:44
Covid
1:22:45
and
1:22:46
that
1:22:46
stuff
1:22:46
happens.
1:22:47
And
1:22:47
I
1:22:47
think,
1:22:47
you
1:22:47
know,
1:22:48
the
1:22:48
big
1:22:48
thing
1:22:48
and
1:22:49
Josh
1:22:49
and
1:22:49
I
1:22:49
preach
1:22:50
this,
1:22:50
it's
1:22:50
our
1:22:51
job
1:22:51
to
1:22:52
navigate
1:22:53
the
1:22:53
increasing
1:22:54
pressure
1:22:55
and
1:22:56
do
1:22:56
the
1:22:56
best
1:22:56
we
1:22:56
can
1:22:57
despite
1:22:57
it.
1:22:58
So
1:22:58
while
1:22:58
it
1:22:58
can
1:22:59
be
1:22:59
frustrating
1:22:59
and
1:23:00
really
1:23:01
what
1:23:01
the
1:23:01
only
1:23:01
thing
1:23:01
that's
1:23:02
frustrating
1:23:02
to
1:23:02
me
1:23:02
about
1:23:03
it
1:23:03
because
1:23:03
it
1:23:03
is
1:23:03
a
1:23:03
free
1:23:04
country,
1:23:04
is
1:23:05
that
1:23:05
the
1:23:05
only
1:23:05
frustrating
1:23:06
thing
1:23:06
I
1:23:06
see
1:23:06
is
1:23:06
that
1:23:07
as
1:23:07
the
1:23:07
pressure
1:23:07
increases,
1:23:08
I
1:23:08
would
1:23:09
like
1:23:09
to
1:23:09
see
1:23:11
safe
1:23:11
handling
1:23:12
practices
1:23:13
really
1:23:13
preached
1:23:14
and
1:23:14
employed.
1:23:15
You
1:23:15
see
1:23:16
people,
1:23:16
I
1:23:16
see
1:23:16
it
1:23:16
all
1:23:16
the
1:23:17
time
1:23:17
where
1:23:17
people,
1:23:18
they
1:23:18
deck
1:23:18
load
1:23:18
muskies
1:23:19
into
1:23:19
jet
1:23:20
boats.
1:23:20
They,
1:23:21
they
1:23:21
put
1:23:21
smallmouth
1:23:22
bass
1:23:23
on
1:23:23
their
1:23:23
kayak
1:23:24
to
1:23:24
measure
1:23:24
them
1:23:25
in
1:23:25
July
1:23:26
at
1:23:26
1pm
1:23:27
and
1:23:28
it's
1:23:28
just
1:23:28
cooking
1:23:28
one
1:23:29
side
1:23:29
of
1:23:29
them
1:23:30
and
1:23:30
you
1:23:31
know,
1:23:31
like
1:23:31
those
1:23:32
kind
1:23:32
of
1:23:32
things.
1:23:32
I
1:23:32
would
1:23:33
like
1:23:33
to
1:23:33
see,
1:23:34
you
1:23:34
know,
1:23:34
particularly
1:23:35
our
1:23:35
state
1:23:35
agencies,
1:23:37
you
1:23:37
know,
1:23:38
really
1:23:38
drive
1:23:38
home.
1:23:39
I'm,
1:23:40
I,
1:23:40
I'm
1:23:40
less
1:23:40
interested
1:23:41
in
1:23:41
seeing
1:23:41
them
1:23:42
post
1:23:43
what
1:23:43
fisheries
1:23:44
are
1:23:44
great.
1:23:45
And
1:23:45
I
1:23:45
mean
1:23:46
you
1:23:46
can
1:23:47
tell
1:23:47
the
1:23:47
bdgif
1:23:48
I
1:23:48
said
1:23:48
this,
1:23:49
but
1:23:49
you
1:23:49
know,
1:23:50
what
1:23:50
fisheries
1:23:51
are
1:23:51
great.
1:23:51
And
1:23:51
I
1:23:51
don't
1:23:52
have
1:23:52
A
1:23:52
problem
1:23:52
with
1:23:52
that.
1:23:53
But
1:23:53
on
1:23:53
the
1:23:53
flip
1:23:54
side,
1:23:54
what
1:23:54
I
1:23:54
would
1:23:54
like
1:23:54
to
1:23:55
see
1:23:55
them
1:23:55
do
1:23:55
is
1:23:56
take
1:23:57
a
1:23:57
step
1:23:57
in
1:23:57
the
1:23:57
right
1:23:57
direction
1:23:58
for
1:23:58
safe
1:23:59
fish
1:23:59
handling
1:24:00
practices.
1:24:01
And
1:24:02
that's
1:24:02
a
1:24:02
big
1:24:02
thing.
1:24:03
Wetting
1:24:03
your
1:24:03
bump
1:24:04
board,
1:24:05
minimizing
1:24:05
your
1:24:06
handling
1:24:06
period.
1:24:08
If
1:24:08
you
1:24:08
catch
1:24:08
a
1:24:08
big
1:24:09
muskie,
1:24:10
you
1:24:10
know,
1:24:10
having
1:24:10
a
1:24:10
big
1:24:11
net
1:24:11
or
1:24:11
catch
1:24:12
a
1:24:12
muskie,
1:24:12
or
1:24:12
if
1:24:12
you're
1:24:12
muskie
1:24:13
fishing,
1:24:14
having
1:24:14
a
1:24:14
big
1:24:14
net
1:24:15
and,
1:24:15
you
1:24:16
know,
1:24:16
needle
1:24:16
nose
1:24:16
pliers
1:24:17
and
1:24:17
wire
1:24:18
cutters
1:24:19
and
1:24:19
all
1:24:20
the
1:24:20
things
1:24:20
that
1:24:20
I
1:24:20
think
1:24:21
are
1:24:21
just
1:24:21
as
1:24:21
important
1:24:22
as
1:24:22
the
1:24:22
right
1:24:22
tackle
1:24:23
to
1:24:23
take
1:24:23
care
1:24:24
of
1:24:24
them.
1:24:25
And
1:24:25
if
1:24:25
you
1:24:25
get
1:24:25
a
1:24:25
nice
1:24:26
one,
1:24:26
take
1:24:26
it
1:24:26
to
1:24:27
the
1:24:27
bank,
1:24:27
take
1:24:28
care
1:24:28
of
1:24:28
it.
1:24:28
And
1:24:28
you
1:24:29
know
1:24:29
what
1:24:29
I'm
1:24:29
also
1:24:29
sick
1:24:30
of
1:24:30
seeing
1:24:30
is,
1:24:31
is
1:24:31
a
1:24:31
vertical
1:24:32
hold
1:24:32
on
1:24:32
muskie.
1:24:33
It's
1:24:33
terrible
1:24:34
for
1:24:34
them,
1:24:35
you
1:24:35
know,
1:24:36
supporting
1:24:36
them.
1:24:36
And
1:24:36
one,
1:24:37
it
1:24:37
makes
1:24:37
for
1:24:37
a
1:24:37
better
1:24:38
picture.
1:24:38
Two,
1:24:39
you
1:24:39
know,
1:24:39
with
1:24:40
you
1:24:40
hold
1:24:40
them
1:24:40
by
1:24:40
the
1:24:40
tail,
1:24:41
you
1:24:41
support
1:24:41
their
1:24:41
belly,
1:24:42
and
1:24:42
guess
1:24:42
what?
1:24:42
When
1:24:42
you
1:24:43
hold
1:24:43
their
1:24:43
belly,
1:24:44
their
1:24:44
mouth
1:24:44
drops
1:24:45
open
1:24:45
and
1:24:45
it
1:24:46
gives
1:24:46
them
1:24:46
that
1:24:46
classic
1:24:47
iconic
1:24:47
musky
1:24:48
look.
1:24:48
You
1:24:48
know,
1:24:49
where,
1:24:49
where
1:24:50
their
1:24:50
mouth
1:24:50
is,
1:24:50
is.
1:24:51
Is
1:24:51
open
1:24:51
and
1:24:52
you
1:24:52
see
1:24:52
all
1:24:52
those
1:24:52
teeth.
1:24:53
And
1:24:53
so,
1:24:54
I
1:24:54
mean,
1:24:54
there's
1:24:54
certain
1:24:55
things,
1:24:55
you
1:24:55
know,
1:24:55
and,
1:24:56
and
1:24:56
I
1:24:56
could
1:24:56
catch
1:24:56
grief
1:24:57
for
1:24:57
it,
1:24:57
and
1:24:57
that's
1:24:57
fine.
1:24:58
I
1:24:58
don't
1:24:58
care.
1:24:58
I'm
1:24:58
willing
1:24:58
to
1:24:59
go
1:24:59
to
1:24:59
bat
1:24:59
for
1:24:59
it.
1:25:00
But,
1:25:01
you
1:25:02
know,
1:25:02
certain
1:25:02
things,
1:25:02
with
1:25:03
the
1:25:03
increasing
1:25:03
pressure,
1:25:04
like
1:25:04
I
1:25:04
said,
1:25:04
it's
1:25:04
a
1:25:05
free
1:25:05
country.
1:25:05
I'm
1:25:06
all
1:25:06
about
1:25:06
people
1:25:06
enjoying
1:25:07
our
1:25:07
resources
1:25:08
as
1:25:08
Americans.
1:25:10
But
1:25:11
I
1:25:11
would
1:25:11
like
1:25:11
to
1:25:12
see
1:25:12
everybody
1:25:13
take
1:25:13
a
1:25:13
step
1:25:13
in
1:25:14
the
1:25:14
right
1:25:14
direction.
1:25:15
State
1:25:15
agencies,
1:25:16
outfitters,
1:25:17
guides,
1:25:18
what
1:25:18
have
1:25:18
you,
1:25:19
pushing
1:25:20
safe
1:25:20
handling
1:25:21
practices
1:25:21
as
1:25:21
more
1:25:21
and
1:25:21
more
1:25:22
people
1:25:22
get
1:25:22
on
1:25:22
the
1:25:22
water.
1:25:23
And
1:25:23
that's
1:25:23
something
1:25:23
that
1:25:23
we,
1:25:24
all
1:25:24
three
1:25:24
of
1:25:25
us,
1:25:25
and
1:25:25
I
1:25:25
mean,
1:25:25
we
1:25:26
stress
1:25:26
this
1:25:26
to
1:25:26
Braden,
1:25:27
you
1:25:27
know,
1:25:27
Josh
1:25:28
stressed
1:25:28
it
1:25:28
to
1:25:28
me,
1:25:28
and
1:25:29
something
1:25:29
that
1:25:29
I
1:25:29
already,
1:25:30
you
1:25:30
know,
1:25:31
was
1:25:31
passionate
1:25:31
about.
1:25:31
But
1:25:32
whenever
1:25:32
we
1:25:32
were
1:25:33
handling
1:25:33
these
1:25:33
fish
1:25:34
with
1:25:34
clients,
1:25:35
you
1:25:35
know,
1:25:36
we,
1:25:37
we
1:25:37
walked
1:25:37
them
1:25:38
step
1:25:38
by
1:25:38
step,
1:25:39
you
1:25:39
know,
1:25:39
in
1:25:39
case
1:25:40
they
1:25:40
go
1:25:40
smallmouth
1:25:41
fishing
1:25:41
or
1:25:41
muskie
1:25:41
fishing
1:25:42
anywhere
1:25:43
or,
1:25:43
you
1:25:43
know,
1:25:44
on
1:25:44
the
1:25:44
same,
1:25:44
same
1:25:44
watersheds.
1:25:46
And
1:25:46
I
1:25:46
want
1:25:47
to
1:25:47
see
1:25:47
them
1:25:47
take
1:25:47
care
1:25:47
of
1:25:47
those
1:25:48
fish.
1:25:48
And
1:25:48
so
1:25:48
I
1:25:49
show
1:25:49
them,
1:25:49
you
1:25:49
know,
1:25:49
look,
1:25:50
here's
1:25:50
when
1:25:51
you
1:25:51
would
1:25:51
need
1:25:51
new
1:25:51
jaw
1:25:52
spreaders.
1:25:52
Here's
1:25:53
when,
1:25:53
you
1:25:54
know,
1:25:54
you
1:25:54
need
1:25:54
these
1:25:54
needle
1:25:55
nose
1:25:55
pliers.
1:25:55
Look,
1:25:56
you
1:25:56
need
1:25:56
a
1:25:56
big
1:25:56
net.
1:25:57
And
1:25:57
here's
1:25:57
why,
1:25:59
you
1:25:59
know,
1:25:59
with
1:25:59
the
1:25:59
bass,
1:26:00
it's
1:26:00
the
1:26:00
same
1:26:00
thing.
1:26:00
You
1:26:00
know,
1:26:01
you
1:26:01
don't
1:26:01
want
1:26:01
to
1:26:01
cook
1:26:01
them
1:26:02
on
1:26:02
the
1:26:02
side
1:26:03
of
1:26:03
my
1:26:03
drift
1:26:04
boat,
1:26:04
you
1:26:04
know,
1:26:05
on
1:26:05
the,
1:26:05
on
1:26:05
the
1:26:06
rod
1:26:06
trace.
1:26:06
You
1:26:06
know,
1:26:07
you
1:26:07
want
1:26:07
to
1:26:07
wet
1:26:07
your
1:26:07
bump
1:26:08
board.
1:26:08
You
1:26:09
know,
1:26:09
you
1:26:09
want
1:26:09
to
1:26:09
minimize
1:26:10
the
1:26:10
handling.
1:26:11
You
1:26:11
want
1:26:11
to
1:26:11
not
1:26:11
jaw
1:26:12
jack
1:26:12
them,
1:26:13
you
1:26:13
know,
1:26:14
Just,
1:26:14
I
1:26:14
mean,
1:26:14
we're
1:26:14
out
1:26:14
there
1:26:15
fishing
1:26:15
for
1:26:15
them,
1:26:15
and
1:26:16
at
1:26:16
a
1:26:16
certain
1:26:16
point,
1:26:16
too,
1:26:17
we're.
1:26:17
We
1:26:17
are
1:26:18
poking
1:26:18
them
1:26:18
in
1:26:18
the
1:26:18
face
1:26:19
with
1:26:19
steel,
1:26:20
but
1:26:21
you
1:26:21
want
1:26:21
to
1:26:21
do
1:26:21
everything
1:26:22
you
1:26:22
can,
1:26:22
you
1:26:23
know,
1:26:23
unless
1:26:23
you're
1:26:24
harvesting
1:26:24
them
1:26:25
to.
1:26:25
To
1:26:25
take
1:26:25
care
1:26:26
of
1:26:26
them
1:26:26
and
1:26:26
ensure
1:26:26
that
1:26:27
they're
1:26:27
there
1:26:27
for
1:26:28
the
1:26:28
next
1:26:28
time
1:26:29
or
1:26:29
somebody
1:26:30
else,
1:26:30
you
1:26:30
know,
1:26:31
so
1:26:31
that's,
1:26:32
you
1:26:32
know,
1:26:32
that
1:26:33
navigating
1:26:33
the
1:26:33
pressure
1:26:34
is
1:26:34
tough,
1:26:34
for
1:26:35
sure.
1:26:35
And.
1:26:36
But
1:26:36
it's.
1:26:36
The
1:26:37
way
1:26:37
we
1:26:37
look
1:26:37
at
1:26:37
it
1:26:37
is
1:26:38
it's.
1:26:38
It's
1:26:38
not
1:26:39
going
1:26:39
to
1:26:39
change,
1:26:39
and
1:26:39
it
1:26:39
is
1:26:40
my
1:26:40
job.
1:26:41
And.
1:26:42
And,
1:26:42
you
1:26:42
know,
1:26:42
Josh
1:26:43
would
1:26:43
tell
1:26:43
me,
1:26:44
you
1:26:44
know,
1:26:44
there's
1:26:44
no
1:26:44
excuse
1:26:45
for
1:26:45
it,
1:26:45
and
1:26:45
we
1:26:45
would
1:26:45
tell
1:26:46
Braden
1:26:46
the
1:26:46
same
1:26:46
thing,
1:26:47
you
1:26:47
know,
1:26:48
tough
1:26:49
luck.
1:26:49
I
1:26:49
mean,
1:26:49
there's
1:26:49
people
1:26:50
out
1:26:50
there
1:26:50
now.
1:26:50
It
1:26:51
is
1:26:51
what
1:26:51
it
1:26:51
is.
1:26:51
Nobody's
1:26:52
got
1:26:52
the
1:26:52
river
1:26:52
to
1:26:53
themselves,
1:26:53
and
1:26:53
that's
1:26:54
fine.
1:26:54
I
1:26:54
enjoy
1:26:55
watching
1:26:55
people
1:26:55
enjoy
1:26:55
the
1:26:56
resource.
1:26:56
But,
1:26:58
you
1:26:58
know,
1:26:58
as
1:26:58
far
1:26:58
as
1:26:58
the
1:26:59
electronics
1:26:59
go,
1:27:00
like,
1:27:00
what
1:27:00
I
1:27:00
would
1:27:00
say
1:27:01
about
1:27:01
that
1:27:01
is
1:27:02
I've
1:27:02
got,
1:27:02
you
1:27:03
know,
1:27:04
for
1:27:04
certain
1:27:05
things,
1:27:05
like
1:27:05
on
1:27:05
a.
1:27:05
You
1:27:05
know,
1:27:06
we
1:27:06
don't
1:27:06
guide
1:27:06
any
1:27:06
lakes,
1:27:08
you
1:27:09
know,
1:27:09
for
1:27:10
elide
1:27:11
scope
1:27:11
and
1:27:12
sonar.
1:27:12
All
1:27:13
those
1:27:13
things
1:27:13
are.
1:27:14
They
1:27:14
can
1:27:14
be
1:27:15
absolutely
1:27:16
necessary
1:27:17
on
1:27:17
a
1:27:17
lake
1:27:17
system,
1:27:18
and
1:27:19
I
1:27:19
don't
1:27:19
have
1:27:19
a
1:27:19
ton
1:27:19
of
1:27:20
lake
1:27:20
fishing
1:27:20
or
1:27:21
guiding
1:27:21
experience,
1:27:22
but
1:27:22
they
1:27:22
can
1:27:22
be
1:27:23
necessary
1:27:23
on
1:27:24
the
1:27:24
river
1:27:24
you're
1:27:24
on.
1:27:25
And
1:27:25
it'll
1:27:25
crack
1:27:26
me
1:27:26
up.
1:27:26
Like,
1:27:26
I'll
1:27:26
be
1:27:26
at
1:27:26
a
1:27:27
boat
1:27:27
ramp,
1:27:27
and
1:27:27
you
1:27:27
see
1:27:28
these
1:27:28
jet
1:27:28
boats
1:27:29
and
1:27:29
like,
1:27:29
hey,
1:27:30
man,
1:27:30
we
1:27:30
scoped
1:27:31
six
1:27:32
muskie
1:27:32
right
1:27:33
here.
1:27:33
And
1:27:34
they're
1:27:34
like,
1:27:34
telling
1:27:34
you,
1:27:35
and
1:27:35
you're
1:27:36
like,
1:27:36
dude,
1:27:36
they
1:27:36
go
1:27:37
to
1:27:37
that
1:27:37
same
1:27:37
spot
1:27:38
every
1:27:38
year
1:27:39
in
1:27:39
May.
1:27:40
You
1:27:40
know,
1:27:40
it's
1:27:40
like,
1:27:41
that's
1:27:41
where
1:27:41
they
1:27:41
go.
1:27:42
Like
1:27:42
you're
1:27:42
sitting
1:27:42
in
1:27:43
an
1:27:43
eddie
1:27:43
that,
1:27:44
you
1:27:44
know,
1:27:44
it's
1:27:45
hard.
1:27:45
It's
1:27:45
like
1:27:45
you
1:27:45
said,
1:27:45
it's
1:27:46
hard
1:27:46
to
1:27:46
beat
1:27:47
on
1:27:47
the
1:27:47
time
1:27:48
hand
1:27:49
or
1:27:49
on
1:27:49
the
1:27:49
water.
1:27:50
Hands
1:27:50
on
1:27:51
river
1:27:51
knowledge.
1:27:51
Because
1:27:52
as
1:27:52
a
1:27:52
guide,
1:27:53
I
1:27:53
need
1:27:53
to
1:27:53
know
1:27:53
that
1:27:54
seasonally
1:27:55
where
1:27:55
these
1:27:55
fish
1:27:55
go
1:27:56
and
1:27:56
why.
1:27:56
And
1:27:57
what
1:27:57
are
1:27:58
spots
1:27:58
that
1:27:58
I
1:27:58
should
1:27:58
be
1:27:59
taking
1:27:59
your
1:27:59
fish,
1:27:59
and
1:27:59
what
1:27:59
are
1:28:00
spots
1:28:00
that
1:28:00
maybe
1:28:01
at
1:28:01
this,
1:28:01
you
1:28:01
know,
1:28:02
time
1:28:02
of
1:28:02
day,
1:28:02
we
1:28:02
should
1:28:02
push
1:28:03
through
1:28:03
and
1:28:04
whatnot.
1:28:04
You
1:28:04
know,
1:28:05
I
1:28:05
don't
1:28:05
think
1:28:05
electronics
1:28:06
are
1:28:06
necessary
1:28:08
in
1:28:08
a
1:28:09
river
1:28:09
system,
1:28:09
you
1:28:10
know.
1:28:10
Sure.
1:28:10
I
1:28:10
mean,
1:28:10
if
1:28:11
people
1:28:11
want
1:28:11
to
1:28:11
employ
1:28:12
them,
1:28:12
I'm.
1:28:13
What,
1:28:13
you
1:28:13
know,
1:28:14
whatever.
1:28:14
I
1:28:14
think
1:28:14
they
1:28:14
can
1:28:14
be
1:28:15
at
1:28:15
the
1:28:15
detriment.
1:28:15
To
1:28:16
the
1:28:16
detriment
1:28:16
of
1:28:16
a
1:28:16
fishery.
1:28:17
I
1:28:17
think
1:28:18
a
1:28:18
lot
1:28:18
of
1:28:18
that
1:28:18
is
1:28:18
yet
1:28:18
to
1:28:19
be
1:28:19
seen.
1:28:19
You
1:28:20
know,
1:28:20
what's
1:28:20
going
1:28:20
to
1:28:21
happen.
1:28:21
But,
1:28:22
yeah,
1:28:23
I
1:28:23
definitely.
1:28:23
I
1:28:24
don't
1:28:24
think,
1:28:24
you
1:28:24
know,
1:28:25
I
1:28:25
don't
1:28:25
think
1:28:25
you
1:28:26
need
1:28:26
them,
1:28:26
is
1:28:26
what
1:28:27
I
1:28:27
will
1:28:27
say
1:28:27
along
1:28:28
and
1:28:28
the
1:28:28
Short
1:28:28
of
1:28:28
it
1:28:29
is,
1:28:29
you
1:28:29
know,
1:28:29
muskie
1:28:30
and
1:28:30
smallmouth
1:28:31
seasonally
1:28:31
go
1:28:31
to
1:28:31
the
1:28:31
same
1:28:32
places
1:28:33
every
1:28:33
year.
1:28:33
And
1:28:33
then
1:28:33
you
1:28:34
grew
1:28:34
up
1:28:34
on
1:28:34
these
1:28:34
rivers
1:28:34
too.
1:28:35
I
1:28:35
mean,
1:28:35
it's
1:28:35
all
1:28:36
wedge
1:28:36
and
1:28:36
rock
1:28:36
dependent,
1:28:37
current
1:28:38
dependent.
1:28:38
And
1:28:39
so,
1:28:39
you
1:28:39
know,
1:28:40
with
1:28:40
a
1:28:40
little
1:28:40
bit
1:28:40
of
1:28:41
experience,
1:28:41
you
1:28:41
know,
1:28:42
where
1:28:42
they
1:28:42
are
1:28:42
or
1:28:42
where
1:28:42
they
1:28:43
should
1:28:43
be.
1:28:44
Yeah.
1:28:44
I
1:28:45
think
1:28:45
the
1:28:45
challenge
1:28:45
with
1:28:46
particularly
1:28:46
the
1:28:47
big
1:28:47
muskie
1:28:47
is
1:28:47
that,
1:28:48
you
1:28:48
know,
1:28:48
they're
1:28:48
not
1:28:48
a
1:28:49
lot
1:28:49
of
1:28:49
them
1:28:49
and
1:28:49
it
1:28:49
takes
1:28:49
a
1:28:50
long
1:28:50
time
1:28:50
to
1:28:50
grow
1:28:50
them.
1:28:51
Right.
1:28:52
And
1:28:52
you
1:28:52
know,
1:28:53
the
1:28:54
thing
1:28:54
to
1:28:54
think
1:28:54
about,
1:28:55
you
1:28:55
know,
1:28:55
put
1:28:55
aside
1:28:56
wherever
1:28:56
you
1:28:56
want
1:28:56
to
1:28:57
come
1:28:57
out
1:28:57
on,
1:28:57
like
1:28:57
put
1:28:58
your
1:28:58
time
1:28:58
in
1:28:58
and
1:28:58
really
1:28:59
earn
1:28:59
the
1:28:59
fish
1:28:59
versus
1:29:00
go
1:29:00
out
1:29:00
and,
1:29:00
you
1:29:00
know,
1:29:01
hit
1:29:01
them
1:29:01
with
1:29:01
the,
1:29:02
with
1:29:02
the
1:29:02
live
1:29:02
scope
1:29:02
and
1:29:02
then
1:29:03
go
1:29:03
pound
1:29:03
on
1:29:04
them.
1:29:04
But
1:29:05
you
1:29:05
know,
1:29:06
one
1:29:06
way
1:29:06
to
1:29:06
think
1:29:06
about
1:29:07
it,
1:29:07
I
1:29:07
mean,
1:29:07
folks
1:29:08
do
1:29:08
whatever
1:29:08
you
1:29:08
want
1:29:08
to
1:29:08
do,
1:29:09
right.
1:29:09
But
1:29:10
what
1:29:10
I
1:29:10
would
1:29:10
say
1:29:10
is,
1:29:11
you
1:29:11
know,
1:29:11
if
1:29:11
you
1:29:11
think
1:29:12
about
1:29:12
it
1:29:12
from
1:29:12
the
1:29:12
standpoint
1:29:13
of
1:29:14
fair
1:29:15
chase
1:29:16
and
1:29:16
if
1:29:16
everybody
1:29:17
on
1:29:17
the
1:29:17
river
1:29:18
live
1:29:18
scopes
1:29:18
of
1:29:19
54
1:29:20
inch
1:29:20
Muskie
1:29:20
and
1:29:20
pounds
1:29:21
the
1:29:21
snot
1:29:21
out
1:29:21
of
1:29:21
it,
1:29:22
it's
1:29:22
going
1:29:22
to
1:29:23
change
1:29:23
that
1:29:23
fish's
1:29:24
behavior
1:29:24
and
1:29:24
it's
1:29:24
going
1:29:24
to
1:29:24
fundamentally
1:29:25
alter
1:29:25
the
1:29:25
fishery.
1:29:27
Absolutely.
1:29:28
And
1:29:30
I
1:29:30
think
1:29:30
that
1:29:31
there
1:29:31
are
1:29:31
certain
1:29:31
ways
1:29:32
with
1:29:32
live
1:29:32
scope
1:29:33
that
1:29:33
you
1:29:33
can,
1:29:34
I
1:29:34
mean,
1:29:34
like
1:29:34
I
1:29:34
said,
1:29:34
they
1:29:35
go
1:29:35
to
1:29:35
the
1:29:35
same
1:29:35
places
1:29:36
every
1:29:36
year,
1:29:36
but
1:29:37
if
1:29:37
you
1:29:37
can
1:29:38
pinpoint
1:29:39
radar,
1:29:41
you
1:29:41
know,
1:29:42
three
1:29:42
muskie
1:29:43
sitting
1:29:43
in
1:29:43
an
1:29:44
eddy
1:29:44
and
1:29:45
you're
1:29:45
just
1:29:45
pestering
1:29:46
them,
1:29:46
pestering
1:29:46
them,
1:29:47
pestering
1:29:47
them
1:29:47
until
1:29:48
they
1:29:48
eat.
1:29:49
I
1:29:49
think
1:29:49
it's
1:29:49
to
1:29:50
be
1:29:50
determined
1:29:51
what
1:29:52
the
1:29:52
detriment
1:29:53
of
1:29:54
that
1:29:54
is
1:29:54
going
1:29:54
to
1:29:54
be.
1:29:54
And
1:29:55
here's
1:29:55
what
1:29:55
I
1:29:55
will
1:29:56
say
1:29:56
to
1:29:56
add
1:29:56
to
1:29:56
the
1:29:56
safe
1:29:57
handling
1:29:57
is
1:29:57
that
1:29:58
when
1:29:58
I
1:29:58
talk
1:29:59
to
1:29:59
Josh
1:29:59
and
1:29:59
Blaine
1:30:00
about
1:30:00
this
1:30:00
a
1:30:00
lot
1:30:01
because
1:30:01
I
1:30:01
mean,
1:30:01
they
1:30:01
have
1:30:02
a
1:30:02
lot
1:30:02
more
1:30:02
experience
1:30:03
than
1:30:03
I
1:30:03
do
1:30:03
guiding
1:30:04
or
1:30:04
fishing
1:30:04
for
1:30:05
them,
1:30:05
you
1:30:05
know,
1:30:05
in
1:30:06
general.
1:30:07
You
1:30:07
know,
1:30:08
so
1:30:09
I
1:30:09
talked
1:30:09
to
1:30:09
him
1:30:10
kind
1:30:11
of
1:30:11
about
1:30:11
the
1:30:12
idea
1:30:12
that,
1:30:13
I
1:30:13
mean,
1:30:14
you
1:30:14
think
1:30:14
about
1:30:14
it,
1:30:14
even
1:30:14
with
1:30:15
safe
1:30:15
handling,
1:30:16
you
1:30:16
know,
1:30:16
you
1:30:16
catch
1:30:17
a
1:30:17
four
1:30:18
foot
1:30:18
muskie,
1:30:19
you
1:30:19
know,
1:30:20
so
1:30:20
many
1:30:20
times
1:30:21
in
1:30:21
a
1:30:21
season,
1:30:21
or
1:30:22
few
1:30:23
people
1:30:23
catch
1:30:23
it
1:30:23
throughout
1:30:23
the
1:30:24
season,
1:30:25
you
1:30:26
know,
1:30:26
there's
1:30:26
a
1:30:26
good
1:30:26
likelihood
1:30:27
that
1:30:27
even
1:30:27
with
1:30:28
safe
1:30:28
handling,
1:30:29
that
1:30:30
fish
1:30:30
may
1:30:30
not
1:30:31
make
1:30:31
it
1:30:31
through
1:30:31
the
1:30:32
fourth
1:30:32
fish
1:30:32
hooking
1:30:33
or,
1:30:33
you
1:30:34
know,
1:30:34
or
1:30:35
fight
1:30:36
of
1:30:36
that
1:30:36
season.
1:30:36
And
1:30:37
that,
1:30:37
that's
1:30:37
something
1:30:37
that,
1:30:38
you
1:30:38
know,
1:30:39
you're
1:30:39
talking
1:30:39
about
1:30:39
the,
1:30:40
the,
1:30:41
you
1:30:42
know,
1:30:42
the
1:30:42
morality
1:30:43
of,
1:30:44
of
1:30:45
fishing,
1:30:45
I
1:30:45
guess
1:30:45
there.
1:30:46
But
1:30:46
you
1:30:47
know,
1:30:47
I,
1:30:47
I
1:30:47
think
1:30:48
that,
1:30:48
you
1:30:48
know,
1:30:48
you
1:30:48
add,
1:30:49
what
1:30:49
I
1:30:49
mean
1:30:50
to
1:30:50
say
1:30:50
is
1:30:50
that
1:30:50
you
1:30:50
add
1:30:51
live
1:30:51
scoping
1:30:51
on
1:30:51
top
1:30:52
of
1:30:52
that
1:30:53
and
1:30:53
you
1:30:53
know,
1:30:53
they're
1:30:54
like,
1:30:54
it's
1:30:54
like
1:30:54
you
1:30:54
said,
1:30:54
there's,
1:30:55
there
1:30:55
are
1:30:55
less
1:30:56
adult
1:30:57
musky
1:30:58
and
1:30:58
smallmouth
1:30:59
in
1:30:59
a
1:30:59
system
1:30:59
than
1:30:59
there
1:31:00
are
1:31:00
juveniles.
1:31:01
And
1:31:02
right
1:31:02
now
1:31:03
both
1:31:03
of
1:31:03
these
1:31:03
fisheries
1:31:04
are
1:31:05
in
1:31:05
a
1:31:05
really
1:31:05
healthy,
1:31:07
you
1:31:07
know,
1:31:08
really
1:31:08
healthy
1:31:08
spot
1:31:08
with
1:31:09
28
1:31:10
to
1:31:10
38
1:31:10
inch
1:31:11
muscular.
1:31:13
And
1:31:13
there's
1:31:14
always
1:31:15
going
1:31:15
to
1:31:15
be
1:31:15
less
1:31:15
adults.
1:31:16
But
1:31:17
I
1:31:17
think
1:31:18
that,
1:31:18
you
1:31:18
know,
1:31:18
with
1:31:19
increased
1:31:19
pressure,
1:31:20
we
1:31:20
have
1:31:20
seen
1:31:21
maybe
1:31:21
that
1:31:22
there
1:31:22
are
1:31:22
even
1:31:23
less
1:31:23
adults
1:31:24
now
1:31:24
and
1:31:25
then
1:31:25
also
1:31:27
they're
1:31:27
a
1:31:27
little
1:31:28
more
1:31:28
wary.
1:31:28
And
1:31:29
it
1:31:29
goes
1:31:29
back
1:31:29
to,
1:31:29
you
1:31:30
know,
1:31:30
I
1:31:30
was
1:31:30
talking
1:31:30
about.
1:31:30
Sometimes
1:31:31
it
1:31:31
would
1:31:31
make.
1:31:32
Makes
1:31:32
me
1:31:32
sick
1:31:32
listening
1:31:33
to
1:31:34
Josh
1:31:34
and
1:31:34
Blaine
1:31:34
talk
1:31:35
about,
1:31:35
you
1:31:35
know,
1:31:36
eight
1:31:37
in
1:31:37
one
1:31:37
day.
1:31:38
You
1:31:38
know,
1:31:38
figure
1:31:38
8,
1:31:39
6,
1:31:39
7,
1:31:40
8
1:31:40
Muskie
1:31:41
in
1:31:41
one
1:31:41
day.
1:31:42
And,
1:31:42
you
1:31:42
know,
1:31:42
you
1:31:43
start
1:31:43
to
1:31:43
see
1:31:43
them.
1:31:44
I'm
1:31:44
sure
1:31:44
you've
1:31:44
seen
1:31:45
this
1:31:45
too.
1:31:45
Fishing
1:31:45
with
1:31:45
Blaine.
1:31:46
They're
1:31:47
getting
1:31:47
more
1:31:47
and
1:31:47
more
1:31:47
wary
1:31:48
of
1:31:48
boats.
1:31:48
And
1:31:48
so
1:31:48
while
1:31:49
they
1:31:49
will
1:31:49
eat
1:31:49
in
1:31:49
the
1:31:50
figure
1:31:50
8,
1:31:50
it
1:31:50
happens,
1:31:51
you
1:31:51
know,
1:31:51
every,
1:31:52
you
1:31:52
know,
1:31:52
all
1:31:52
the
1:31:53
time,
1:31:54
you
1:31:54
know,
1:31:55
but.
1:31:56
And
1:31:56
they
1:31:56
will
1:31:56
go
1:31:57
into
1:31:57
the
1:31:57
rotations
1:31:58
at
1:31:58
the
1:31:58
very
1:31:58
least.
1:31:59
They're
1:31:59
getting
1:31:59
more
1:32:00
and
1:32:00
more
1:32:00
boat
1:32:00
wary.
1:32:01
And
1:32:02
that's
1:32:02
a
1:32:03
fact.
1:32:03
I
1:32:04
don't
1:32:04
care
1:32:04
what
1:32:04
anybody
1:32:04
says.
1:32:05
And
1:32:05
I
1:32:05
think
1:32:06
that's
1:32:06
there's
1:32:06
even
1:32:07
more
1:32:07
importance
1:32:07
on
1:32:08
our.
1:32:08
On
1:32:08
hunting
1:32:09
your
1:32:09
fry
1:32:09
away
1:32:09
from
1:32:10
the
1:32:10
boat
1:32:10
now
1:32:11
and
1:32:11
not
1:32:11
being
1:32:12
lazy
1:32:12
and
1:32:12
being
1:32:12
on
1:32:13
top
1:32:13
of
1:32:13
it.
1:32:13
And
1:32:13
that's
1:32:14
where
1:32:14
I'm
1:32:14
on
1:32:14
you,
1:32:15
you
1:32:15
know,
1:32:15
I'm
1:32:15
on
1:32:15
you
1:32:15
all
1:32:15
the
1:32:16
way,
1:32:16
you
1:32:16
know,
1:32:16
muskie
1:32:17
fishing.
1:32:17
I'm
1:32:17
standing
1:32:18
the
1:32:18
guy
1:32:18
in
1:32:19
the
1:32:19
front
1:32:19
of
1:32:19
the
1:32:19
boat.
1:32:20
I'm
1:32:21
on
1:32:21
your
1:32:21
shoulder,
1:32:22
you
1:32:22
know,
1:32:22
watching.
1:32:23
If
1:32:23
you
1:32:23
mess
1:32:24
up
1:32:24
in
1:32:24
the
1:32:24
figure
1:32:24
eight
1:32:24
and
1:32:24
you
1:32:24
hit
1:32:25
the
1:32:25
boat
1:32:25
or,
1:32:26
you
1:32:26
know,
1:32:26
you're
1:32:26
making
1:32:27
noise,
1:32:27
you're
1:32:27
shuffling
1:32:28
your
1:32:28
feet,
1:32:28
I'm
1:32:29
on
1:32:29
you,
1:32:29
you
1:32:29
know,
1:32:30
just
1:32:30
like,
1:32:30
look,
1:32:30
man,
1:32:31
you
1:32:31
know,
1:32:31
I,
1:32:32
you
1:32:32
know,
1:32:32
I
1:32:32
know
1:32:33
I
1:32:33
keep
1:32:33
telling
1:32:33
you,
1:32:34
but
1:32:34
it
1:32:34
can
1:32:34
be
1:32:35
the
1:32:35
difference
1:32:35
maker
1:32:35
between
1:32:36
a
1:32:36
fish.
1:32:36
And
1:32:37
I
1:32:37
can't
1:32:37
tell
1:32:37
you
1:32:37
how
1:32:37
many
1:32:37
times
1:32:38
I've
1:32:38
seen
1:32:38
that,
1:32:39
you
1:32:39
know,
1:32:39
and,
1:32:40
and
1:32:40
I
1:32:40
think
1:32:40
that
1:32:40
is
1:32:40
a
1:32:40
result
1:32:41
of
1:32:42
increased
1:32:42
pressure
1:32:43
where
1:32:43
somebody
1:32:44
hits
1:32:44
the
1:32:44
rod
1:32:44
or
1:32:45
hits
1:32:45
the
1:32:45
boat
1:32:45
with
1:32:45
the
1:32:45
rod
1:32:46
and
1:32:46
that's
1:32:46
in
1:32:47
that.
1:32:47
It's
1:32:47
not
1:32:48
a
1:32:48
natural
1:32:48
noise,
1:32:49
you
1:32:49
know,
1:32:49
they're
1:32:49
in
1:32:49
the
1:32:49
figure
1:32:50
eight
1:32:50
and
1:32:50
they're
1:32:51
in
1:32:51
that
1:32:51
Cheshire
1:32:51
cat
1:32:52
mode
1:32:52
where
1:32:53
all
1:32:53
they
1:32:53
want
1:32:53
to
1:32:53
do
1:32:53
is
1:32:53
kill
1:32:54
that
1:32:54
thing
1:32:54
and
1:32:54
they're
1:32:54
on
1:32:54
the
1:32:54
fifth
1:32:55
rotation.
1:32:55
All
1:32:55
of
1:32:56
a
1:32:56
sudden,
1:32:56
you
1:32:56
know,
1:32:57
Joe
1:32:57
hits
1:32:57
the
1:32:57
boat,
1:32:58
you
1:32:58
know,
1:32:58
with
1:32:59
the
1:32:59
rod
1:32:59
and
1:32:59
it
1:33:00
comes
1:33:00
out
1:33:00
of
1:33:00
that,
1:33:01
you
1:33:01
know,
1:33:01
trance
1:33:02
and
1:33:02
it
1:33:02
shoots
1:33:02
off.
1:33:03
I
1:33:03
mean,
1:33:03
there's
1:33:03
only
1:33:03
one
1:33:04
thing
1:33:04
that
1:33:04
made
1:33:04
it
1:33:04
do
1:33:04
that
1:33:05
and
1:33:05
it
1:33:05
was
1:33:05
that
1:33:05
rod.
1:33:06
And
1:33:06
so,
1:33:07
you
1:33:07
know,
1:33:07
I
1:33:07
think
1:33:07
they're
1:33:07
becoming
1:33:08
more
1:33:08
and
1:33:08
more
1:33:08
aware.
1:33:08
And
1:33:09
not
1:33:09
to
1:33:09
say
1:33:09
that
1:33:10
that
1:33:10
fish
1:33:10
wouldn't
1:33:10
have
1:33:10
done
1:33:10
that
1:33:11
anyways,
1:33:11
but
1:33:11
you
1:33:12
know,
1:33:12
you,
1:33:12
that's
1:33:13
where,
1:33:13
you
1:33:13
know,
1:33:13
you
1:33:13
got
1:33:14
to
1:33:14
be
1:33:14
sharp
1:33:14
is
1:33:15
with
1:33:15
the
1:33:15
increased
1:33:15
pressure,
1:33:16
you
1:33:16
know,
1:33:16
it's
1:33:17
my
1:33:17
job
1:33:18
to
1:33:18
be
1:33:19
on
1:33:19
you
1:33:19
more.
1:33:19
Hey,
1:33:19
you're
1:33:20
moving
1:33:20
that
1:33:20
fly
1:33:20
too
1:33:21
fast.
1:33:21
Hey,
1:33:21
you're
1:33:21
not
1:33:21
pausing
1:33:22
enough.
1:33:23
Hey,
1:33:23
you're,
1:33:23
you
1:33:24
know,
1:33:24
you're
1:33:24
popping
1:33:24
that
1:33:24
bug
1:33:25
when
1:33:25
you're
1:33:25
not
1:33:25
spaced
1:33:25
to,
1:33:26
you
1:33:26
know,
1:33:27
I
1:33:27
want
1:33:27
to
1:33:27
see
1:33:27
you
1:33:28
succeed.
1:33:28
And
1:33:29
so
1:33:29
despite
1:33:29
the
1:33:29
pressure,
1:33:30
you
1:33:30
know,
1:33:31
maybe
1:33:31
I
1:33:31
can't
1:33:32
be
1:33:32
as
1:33:33
hands
1:33:33
off
1:33:33
as.
1:33:34
As
1:33:34
I
1:33:35
could
1:33:35
have
1:33:35
been,
1:33:35
say,
1:33:36
if
1:33:36
I
1:33:36
was
1:33:36
a
1:33:36
guide
1:33:37
in
1:33:37
Virginia
1:33:37
20
1:33:38
years
1:33:38
ago.
1:33:38
So.
1:33:40
Well,
1:33:40
and
1:33:40
as
1:33:41
it
1:33:41
just
1:33:41
helps
1:33:41
me
1:33:42
reiterate
1:33:42
what
1:33:42
I
1:33:43
said
1:33:43
earlier,
1:33:43
which
1:33:43
is
1:33:43
listen
1:33:44
to
1:33:44
your
1:33:44
guide.
1:33:46
Yeah,
1:33:46
absolutely.
1:33:47
Absolutely.
1:33:48
Yeah.
1:33:48
And
1:33:49
so,
1:33:49
Austin,
1:33:49
before
1:33:50
I
1:33:50
let
1:33:50
you
1:33:50
go
1:33:50
this
1:33:50
evening,
1:33:51
is
1:33:51
there
1:33:51
anything
1:33:51
else
1:33:51
you
1:33:52
want
1:33:52
to
1:33:52
share
1:33:52
with
1:33:52
our
1:33:52
listeners?
1:33:56
Yeah,
1:33:56
you
1:33:57
know,
1:33:57
obviously
1:33:57
I'm
1:33:58
appreciative
1:33:58
for
1:33:59
you
1:33:59
having
1:33:59
me
1:33:59
on
1:34:00
and,
1:34:00
and
1:34:00
we
1:34:01
invite
1:34:01
anybody,
1:34:03
you
1:34:03
know,
1:34:03
all,
1:34:04
all
1:34:05
levels
1:34:06
of
1:34:06
skill
1:34:07
to
1:34:08
come
1:34:08
fish
1:34:08
with
1:34:08
us
1:34:08
and,
1:34:09
and
1:34:10
really
1:34:10
see,
1:34:10
you
1:34:10
know,
1:34:11
I'm,
1:34:11
I'm
1:34:11
very
1:34:12
lucky
1:34:13
to
1:34:13
work
1:34:14
on
1:34:14
two
1:34:15
really
1:34:16
great
1:34:16
fisheries
1:34:17
for
1:34:18
both
1:34:19
smallmouth
1:34:19
bass
1:34:20
and
1:34:20
muskie.
1:34:21
But
1:34:22
an
1:34:22
added
1:34:23
benefit
1:34:23
to
1:34:23
those
1:34:24
fisheries
1:34:24
is
1:34:24
that
1:34:25
while
1:34:25
the
1:34:25
fishing
1:34:26
is
1:34:26
good,
1:34:26
you
1:34:27
know,
1:34:27
the
1:34:27
sights
1:34:27
are
1:34:28
incredible.
1:34:29
And
1:34:29
yeah,
1:34:29
we
1:34:29
may
1:34:29
have
1:34:30
scared
1:34:30
you
1:34:30
a
1:34:30
little
1:34:30
bit
1:34:30
about
1:34:31
a
1:34:31
hot
1:34:31
July
1:34:32
day
1:34:32
or
1:34:32
a
1:34:33
really
1:34:33
cold
1:34:34
December
1:34:34
day,
1:34:34
but
1:34:35
it's.
1:34:36
It's
1:34:36
nothing
1:34:36
that
1:34:36
we
1:34:36
can't
1:34:37
fix,
1:34:37
you
1:34:37
know,
1:34:38
with,
1:34:38
with,
1:34:39
you
1:34:39
know,
1:34:39
a
1:34:39
jacket
1:34:40
or,
1:34:41
you
1:34:41
know,
1:34:41
fishing,
1:34:42
fishing
1:34:42
earlier
1:34:43
or
1:34:43
rescheduling,
1:34:44
but
1:34:45
it's
1:34:45
hard
1:34:45
to
1:34:45
beat.
1:34:46
And
1:34:46
I
1:34:46
know
1:34:46
you
1:34:47
can
1:34:47
speak
1:34:47
to
1:34:47
this
1:34:47
too,
1:34:48
the
1:34:49
views
1:34:49
that
1:34:49
we
1:34:49
have
1:34:50
in
1:34:50
western
1:34:51
and
1:34:51
southwest
1:34:51
Virginia.
1:34:52
I
1:34:53
wouldn't
1:34:53
rather
1:34:53
be
1:34:53
anywhere
1:34:54
else.
1:34:54
And
1:34:55
then,
1:34:55
you
1:34:56
know,
1:34:56
could.
1:34:56
Could
1:34:57
work
1:34:57
in
1:34:57
Alaska
1:34:58
still.
1:34:58
And,
1:34:59
you
1:34:59
know,
1:35:00
I
1:35:00
choose
1:35:01
to
1:35:01
be
1:35:01
here
1:35:01
during
1:35:01
the
1:35:02
summer
1:35:02
and,
1:35:04
and,
1:35:04
you
1:35:04
know,
1:35:05
we
1:35:05
would
1:35:05
welcome
1:35:05
anybody
1:35:06
to
1:35:06
come
1:35:06
fish
1:35:06
with
1:35:06
us
1:35:07
and
1:35:07
see
1:35:08
what
1:35:08
fishing
1:35:08
for
1:35:08
muskie
1:35:09
and
1:35:09
small
1:35:09
mouth
1:35:09
bass
1:35:10
and
1:35:10
western
1:35:11
Virginia
1:35:11
is
1:35:11
all
1:35:11
about.
1:35:12
Yeah,
1:35:12
it's
1:35:13
funny
1:35:13
you
1:35:13
say
1:35:13
that
1:35:13
because
1:35:14
I
1:35:14
think
1:35:14
the
1:35:14
heat
1:35:14
and
1:35:14
the
1:35:14
cold
1:35:15
just
1:35:15
makes
1:35:15
the
1:35:15
beer
1:35:15
and
1:35:16
the
1:35:16
whiskey
1:35:17
taste
1:35:17
better.
1:35:19
Ooh,
1:35:19
yeah,
1:35:19
I
1:35:19
was
1:35:20
going
1:35:20
to
1:35:20
say
1:35:20
coffee,
1:35:20
but
1:35:21
I
1:35:21
like
1:35:21
whiskey
1:35:22
and
1:35:22
bourbon
1:35:22
better.
1:35:23
See,
1:35:24
there
1:35:24
you
1:35:24
go.
1:35:24
And
1:35:24
the
1:35:24
bourbon
1:35:25
is
1:35:25
the
1:35:25
Virginia
1:35:26
thing.
1:35:27
And
1:35:27
so,
1:35:27
Austin,
1:35:28
if
1:35:28
folks
1:35:28
want
1:35:28
to
1:35:29
learn
1:35:29
more
1:35:29
about
1:35:30
Virginia
1:35:30
trophy
1:35:31
guides
1:35:31
or
1:35:31
book
1:35:32
a
1:35:32
day
1:35:32
or
1:35:32
follow
1:35:33
you
1:35:33
guys
1:35:34
on
1:35:34
the
1:35:34
water,
1:35:34
where
1:35:34
should
1:35:35
they
1:35:35
go?
1:35:36
Yeah,
1:35:37
so,
1:35:37
I
1:35:37
mean,
1:35:38
you
1:35:39
know,
1:35:39
you
1:35:39
can
1:35:39
go
1:35:39
to
1:35:40
our
1:35:40
website,
1:35:40
you
1:35:41
know,
1:35:41
Virginia
1:35:41
trophyguides.com.
1:35:43
you
1:35:44
know,
1:35:44
we
1:35:45
are
1:35:45
on
1:35:45
Instagram
1:35:46
and
1:35:47
Facebook,
1:35:47
the
1:35:47
exact
1:35:48
same
1:35:48
name
1:35:49
as
1:35:49
well.
1:35:50
Or
1:35:50
you
1:35:50
can
1:35:50
reach
1:35:50
out
1:35:51
to
1:35:51
us
1:35:51
and
1:35:51
call
1:35:51
us.
1:35:52
You
1:35:52
know,
1:35:53
emails
1:35:53
are
1:35:53
great,
1:35:54
but
1:35:54
I
1:35:54
think
1:35:54
sometimes,
1:35:55
you
1:35:55
know,
1:35:55
with,
1:35:55
you
1:35:56
know,
1:35:56
people.
1:35:56
People
1:35:57
tend
1:35:57
to
1:35:57
have
1:35:57
a
1:35:57
lot
1:35:57
of
1:35:57
questions.
1:35:58
And,
1:35:59
you
1:35:59
know,
1:35:59
Josh
1:36:00
and
1:36:00
I,
1:36:00
I
1:36:00
mean,
1:36:00
you
1:36:01
could
1:36:01
probably
1:36:01
tell
1:36:01
from
1:36:01
this,
1:36:02
this
1:36:03
chat
1:36:03
here
1:36:03
that
1:36:04
I'm
1:36:04
not
1:36:04
shy.
1:36:05
Um,
1:36:05
you
1:36:05
know,
1:36:05
you
1:36:06
can
1:36:06
call
1:36:06
me
1:36:07
at
1:36:07
11pm
1:36:08
and
1:36:08
chat
1:36:09
with,
1:36:09
you
1:36:09
know,
1:36:10
hey,
1:36:10
when
1:36:10
should
1:36:10
I
1:36:11
come
1:36:11
fishing?
1:36:11
And
1:36:11
that's.
1:36:12
That's
1:36:12
something
1:36:12
that
1:36:13
we
1:36:13
stress,
1:36:14
right,
1:36:14
Is
1:36:14
when
1:36:15
people
1:36:15
call
1:36:15
us,
1:36:15
you
1:36:16
know,
1:36:16
you
1:36:16
know,
1:36:17
figure
1:36:18
out
1:36:18
what
1:36:18
you
1:36:18
want
1:36:18
to
1:36:18
fish
1:36:19
for
1:36:19
and
1:36:19
what
1:36:20
you
1:36:20
want
1:36:20
to
1:36:20
achieve,
1:36:20
and
1:36:21
then
1:36:21
we
1:36:21
can
1:36:22
help
1:36:22
you
1:36:22
hand
1:36:22
pick
1:36:23
days.
1:36:23
And.
1:36:24
And
1:36:24
I
1:36:24
think
1:36:24
that
1:36:24
makes
1:36:25
for
1:36:25
the
1:36:25
best
1:36:25
experience.
1:36:26
So
1:36:26
give
1:36:27
us
1:36:27
a
1:36:27
shout.
1:36:27
I
1:36:27
mean,
1:36:28
you
1:36:28
know,
1:36:28
call
1:36:28
us,
1:36:29
email
1:36:29
us,
1:36:30
you
1:36:30
know,
1:36:30
you
1:36:31
can
1:36:31
reach
1:36:31
out
1:36:31
to
1:36:31
us
1:36:32
on
1:36:32
DMS
1:36:33
from
1:36:33
the
1:36:33
social
1:36:34
media.
1:36:34
And.
1:36:34
And
1:36:35
yeah,
1:36:35
we're.
1:36:35
You
1:36:36
can
1:36:36
reach
1:36:36
us
1:36:36
at
1:36:36
any
1:36:36
time.
1:36:37
We're
1:36:37
not
1:36:37
the
1:36:37
book.
1:36:38
Well,
1:36:39
there
1:36:39
you
1:36:39
go,
1:36:39
Austin.
1:36:40
I
1:36:40
really
1:36:40
appreciate
1:36:41
you
1:36:41
taking
1:36:41
some
1:36:41
time
1:36:42
out
1:36:42
of
1:36:42
your
1:36:42
evening
1:36:42
to
1:36:42
chat
1:36:43
with
1:36:43
me.
1:36:44
Yeah,
1:36:45
thank
1:36:45
you,
1:36:45
Marvin.
1:36:46
Hopefully
1:36:46
be
1:36:46
able
1:36:46
to
1:36:47
get
1:36:47
you
1:36:47
out
1:36:47
and
1:36:47
do
1:36:47
some.
1:36:48
Some
1:36:49
bass
1:36:49
fishing,
1:36:49
some
1:36:50
muskie
1:36:50
fishing
1:36:50
and
1:36:51
some
1:36:51
bourbon
1:36:51
drinking.
1:36:52
Yeah.
1:36:53
Or
1:36:53
we
1:36:53
can
1:36:53
do
1:36:53
summer
1:36:54
and
1:36:54
fish
1:36:55
when
1:36:55
it's
1:36:55
hot
1:36:55
and
1:36:55
drink
1:36:55
gin
1:36:55
and
1:36:56
tonics.
1:36:57
Yeah.
1:36:58
Yeah.
1:36:58
Looking
1:36:58
forward
1:36:58
to
1:36:59
seeing
1:36:59
you
1:37:00
this
1:37:00
winter,
1:37:00
too,
1:37:01
so.
1:37:02
Absolutely.
1:37:03
Take
1:37:03
care.
1:37:04
Yeah,
1:37:05
take
1:37:05
care,
1:37:05
Mom.
1:37:07
Well,
1:37:07
folks,
1:37:08
we
1:37:08
hope
1:37:08
you
1:37:08
enjoyed
1:37:08
the
1:37:09
interview
1:37:09
as
1:37:09
much
1:37:09
as
1:37:09
we
1:37:09
enjoyed
1:37:10
bringing
1:37:10
it
1:37:10
to
1:37:10
you.
1:37:11
Don't
1:37:11
forget
1:37:11
to
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