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- 0:08Good afternoon. It's Wednesday, the nineteenth of June twenty twenty four, just
- 0:11after one o'clock. Welcome to the UK Colin News. I'm your host Mike
- 0:14Robinson joining me in the studio today Charles Mallett. Welcome to the program,
- 0:17Charles, Thank you, Mike. And in Damascus, as you sual,
- 0:20we have Vanessa Bailey. So we'll get kicked off with the general election or
- 0:25is it? Well exactly, Thanks Mike, and good afternoon. All.
- 0:29The question really to be asked in life of the fact that the politicians and
- 0:32indeed the mainstream media aren't really concentrating on this is what are people going to
- 0:37be voting for? So we'll start with a look at the United Nations Sustainable
- 0:44Development Goals and the highlighted text there the government saying the world we want to
- 0:48see by twenty thirty But exactly what do they mean by we and have we
- 0:53really had a say in this? So on their paper implementing the SDGs,
- 0:58they talk about the most defective way to delivering it is by ensuring that the
- 1:03goals are fully embedded in planned activity of each government department. The most effective
- 1:08mechanism for coordinating implementation is the departmental planning process, so they do appear to
- 1:14have all bases covered. At the national government level, we check that the
- 1:18London Assembly is very much following the same agenda and indeed they say that they
- 1:23set ambitious targets to create transformative socio economic and environmental progress by twenty thirty and
- 1:29critically they say that governments cannot do this alone. Local government, businesses,
- 1:34the public sector, community groups and others must all play their part, a
- 1:38message which is reinforced by the Local Government Association making the case for council engagement
- 1:44with the UN Sustainable Development Goal, so it really has seeped in absolutely everywhere.
- 1:48They say why councils should implement the sustainable Development goals and this is to
- 1:53hit the targets by twenty thirty depending on action at the local level, and
- 1:57councils being key because of course they reference health and wellbeing. They go on
- 2:02to say that the councils will provide a framework for strategic planning, policy review
- 2:07and action for sustainable development, of course, planning being one of the major
- 2:12taskings of local authorities. So further, they reinforce the declaration that there is
- 2:19a climate emergency that is now unequivocal, of course, and that's written down
- 2:23in not just policy but also legislation. So the evolution we may have,
- 2:29but with it comes lockstep. Here's the Climate Change Act Scotland two thousand and
- 2:34nine in which they say that the target setting criteria are the likely impact of
- 2:38the target on the achievement of sustainable development, including the achievement of the United
- 2:44Nations Sustainable Development Goals. Same score in Northern Ireland with the Climate Change Act
- 2:50there from twenty twenty two, in which they say the likely impact of the
- 2:53budget on the achievement of sustainable development, including the achievement of the United Nations
- 2:59Sustained Development Goals. So now we look to Wales with the Wellbeing of Future
- 3:04Generations Act from twenty fifteen, in which they say that Future Trends Report the
- 3:09Welsh Ministers must take account of any action taken by the United Nations in relation
- 3:16to the UN Sustainable Development Goals. So you get the picture. But further,
- 3:22going back to the local authorities, we look at the Department for Leveling
- 3:23Up, Housing and Communities and the Critical National Planning Policy Framework from December of
- 3:30last year, in which they refer to the purpose of the planning system being
- 3:35to contribute to the achievement of sustainable development. And of course where's this come
- 3:39from. Well, in actual facts come from at a high level they talk
- 3:43about Similarly, high level members of the United Nations, including the United Kingdom,
- 3:47have agreed to pursue the seventeen Global Goals for Sustainable Development in the period
- 3:53to twenty thirty. If you are wondering why this matters, it concerns what
- 4:00may be described as vested interest. So we have statistics here from twenty ten
- 4:04the Chief Executive Board for Coordination showing where non government donations come from. At
- 4:11the top, very big category there from the European Union, but the red
- 4:15arrows point two the billmill Indigates Foundation, the multi or rather multi donor trust
- 4:20funds, Rotary International and World Bank Group, and I should point out total
- 4:25there is just over two trillion pounds. So we'll go on to twenty twenty
- 4:30two, by which time you see that the European Union is still a major
- 4:33donor, but that there are more contributors in this effectively non government donor system,
- 4:40the World Bank Group, unnamed private donors, multi Partner Trust Fund Office,
- 4:45Global Environment Facility, United States Fund, for unise F. The GAVI
- 4:48Alliance, of course, concerns vaccines and is largely controlled by billman Indicates or
- 4:53at least Bill Gates, the Bill mil Indigates Foundation and unnamed multi donor trust
- 4:59funds. I should also point out that the arrow from the Gates Foundation points
- 5:05mostly to the World Health Organization. So there is without doubt a conflict of
- 5:12interest in what governments are doing, or at least what the government of the
- 5:16four nations of the United Kingdom are doing. So are they going to confront
- 5:20any of this in their manifestos? Here they are from Reform UK, Liberal
- 5:25Democrats, Conservative and Unionist Party and Labor Party of this year will only two
- 5:30of those four actually mention the Sustainable Development Goals. The Conservatives say that they
- 5:34will ensure that aid and development supports our strategic objectives with a focus on fragile
- 5:41state. We will work with our partners to deliver the sustainable Development Goals.
- 5:46So they do want to make a note in their manifesto that this is what
- 5:49they're going to do in talking about it in the International Development White Paper.
- 5:54The lib Dems similarly say that they remain committed to delivering the United Nations sustainable
- 5:58development goals in the US, and they're going to put those goals at the
- 6:01heart of the UK's international development policy. Now, for a great amount of
- 6:06detail on this, I would encourage you to go to the UK column Shop
- 6:11and pick up a copy of Agenda twenty one, Your Life in Their Hands,
- 6:15originally written by Martin Edwards in twenty thirteen and effectively updated by Mike Robinson
- 6:20just now. And many thanks to all those who have already purchased a copy.
- 6:24They are flying off the shelves, but do get into it as a
- 6:27phenomenal level of detail in that now. Of course, these are exactly the
- 6:30sorts of questions we would want to ask politicians about. And indeed I've been
- 6:34in touch with the leaders of the four parties shown Sunak ed Davey, Nigel
- 6:40Farage and Kir Starmer. I have written to them four times each and I
- 6:44have had no response, not even an acknowledgment of my email. It is
- 6:47not credible that they have not received the email with the staffing levels that they
- 6:53would have. But anyway, in terms of accountability and conflict of interest,
- 6:57of course, it's well known that Kir Starmer had his Davos Westminster moment,
- 7:01which has been played many times. But here we are just a reminder that
- 7:04Sunak and Stamer are both effectively under the umbrella of the World Economic Forum,
- 7:10in addition, of course to the United Nations. Now we're just going to
- 7:13have a bit of a look at Reform because the influence they're coming from a
- 7:16different direction, and it just gives that potential for their being conflict or at
- 7:23least effectively not exactly declaring where the direction of travel might be coming from.
- 7:28The byline Times talking about political business brought to you by billionaires, and specifically
- 7:33they talk about Chris Harborne, who has given around ten pounds to the Brexit
- 7:39or Reform party as it's now become, and he's made his fortune and aviation
- 7:43fuel and tech investing. He's also in the Panama Papers that significantly he's the
- 7:47largest shareholder in Kinetic, the UK defense technology company. We've talked about this
- 7:55quite a bit, but as they say here, it's been boosted by the
- 7:57Ukraine War with rising sales of products, and here we just feature one of
- 8:01them, which we've concentrated on on UK column quite a lot before the dragonflyre
- 8:05laser program. Pinetic have a stake in that. So therefore we look at
- 8:07how this might affect reform in their defense part of the manifesto, they say
- 8:13they're going to increase spending to two point five percent of GDP by year three,
- 8:18then up to three percent within six years. But critically, with reference
- 8:22to Harborne and Kinetic, we're going to regenerate Britain's defense manufacturing and technology and
- 8:26introduce incentives and tax breaks to boost the UK defense industry. And now,
- 8:31of course, were they to do that in a position of power, it
- 8:35might not look very good for them when their funding is examined. If by
- 8:39this stage you are wondering what on earth to do with your vote and how
- 8:43necessary parliament actually is, we'll just have a quick look at what the House
- 8:46of Commons does do when it's in session and where the life carries on without
- 8:50them or not. Now, I don't mean to suggest that MP's are doing
- 8:54nothing when they're not sitting in Parliament. That patently is not the case.
- 8:56But nonetheless it is worth pointing out an average of one hundred and seventy days
- 9:01per annam are spent sitting in Parliament, and yet, of course, ire
- 9:05and large the country continues to function. We've talked a lot about sorts of
- 9:09candidates that are going to be standing this year, and so I should just
- 9:13make it clear that there is a record number of candidates standing in this general
- 9:18election, which does suggest there is a great degree of voter dissatisfaction or at
- 9:24least opportunities seen by those that may not necessarily have seen before. And of
- 9:28course we've talked about the fourth of July as being Independent Day, and there
- 9:33are four hundred and fifty nine independent candidates stepping forward at this general election,
- 9:37which is a vast total, very very significant number. But of course it
- 9:43still does present the question do you have an independent to vote for? Do
- 9:46you necessarily want to give that independent your vote? And indeed, if not,
- 9:50what other alternatives do we have now? Toby Young, I believe,
- 9:54put out a tweet this morning, he of Free Speech Union fame, and
- 9:58I think it's fair to say that he has had an incorrect reading of the
- 10:03situation in that he's talked about not voting, But of course not voting is
- 10:07effectively abstaining and it's meaningless because it doesn't get counted. However, a ballot
- 10:11paper that is spoiled, although the electoral Commission effectively write it up that it's
- 10:16not counted because it's deemed to be rejected. That's not the case. And
- 10:22this is from the Electoral Commission readout from the twenty nineteen general election, where
- 10:26they quite clearly do count the numbers of votes that are rejected. So that's
- 10:31really sort of the summary of the general election at the moment, and the
- 10:37sort of thing that I'm afraid is not being discussed in the mainstream. Will
- 10:39wait to see if any of those party leaders do actually come back and decide
- 10:43that they're going to give UK column the time of day. Sincerely hope that
- 10:46they do. Now, I'm Freddie. We were talking about Anne mcflasky and
- 10:50what had happened to her last week, and well some of that wasn't actually
- 10:56correct, So I just want to correct what we reported last week. Before
- 10:58we do that. Here's the Teller and this is a front page from today.
- 11:03And if we look on the right hand side here of the front page,
- 11:05wipe clean all COVID fines, says ex Minister. So this is Robert
- 11:11Buckland and he's suggesting that the outstanding finds need to be just forgotten about.
- 11:18That was one of the points that we were making last week that there were
- 11:22so many of these outstandings still now. I'm not clear whether they're making the
- 11:26suggestion because they think they're pointless continuing with it, or it's just that the
- 11:30courts are never going to catch up with these. But nonetheless, An McCloskey
- 11:33was singled out. So let's bring her on screen and let's look at what
- 11:37actually happened to her. So, first of all, she was picked up
- 11:41by the police as she was delivering her election documents to the post office.
- 11:45My understanding is that if she hadn't been quite swift about getting into the building,
- 11:50they might have had her before she had actually managed to get her election
- 11:54documents submitted. But anyway, she did get them in and she was arrested
- 11:58on the way back out. Again. She was taken to a cell in
- 12:03Cole Rain. She was told she would be taken to the court the following
- 12:07day, whenever she was expected to appear in court, but in fact what
- 12:11happened instead she was taken to a room in the police station and provided with
- 12:16a video link. She was unable to see what was going on in the
- 12:20actual courtroom, and asked, for example, whether there were any witnesses in
- 12:24the courtroom, and was told that there absolutely were witnesses in the courtroom,
- 12:28including journalists, but of course she had no actual ability to verify that.
- 12:35So if we put that back up on screen, then as she was speaking
- 12:39to the judge, a police officer muted her mic, and then when she
- 12:43attempted to unmute the mic, he well, she describes it as an assault,
- 12:48so I've no reason to disbelieve that. She went on to say that
- 12:52she was then sent to prison, and then she was subsequently released from prison.
- 12:58So she was released from prison quite quickly, and this was originally told
- 13:03her because her husband had paid the fine. That was not the case.
- 13:07She was then told that it was because an anonymous supporter paid the fine.
- 13:11So at this point she has no knowledge of who has paid the fine or
- 13:16whether the fine has been paid. But nonetheless she was released. And the
- 13:20key points here are that there has been a complete breach of criminal procedure rules
- 13:24in my opinion, and also, in my opinion, a clear effort,
- 13:28as we mentioned on Friday, to interfere with the general election. Now I'm
- 13:33going to say that this issue of criminal procedure rules has parallels many parallels with
- 13:39several procedure rules, and going back many years, we were discussing the Tom
- 13:46Crawford case where he was having his home removed, and on screen theres Guy
- 13:52Tailor talking about that, and of course he was also involved in looking at
- 13:56several procedure rules. And of course we have these rules place in order to
- 14:01make sure that people are treated fairly by the courts and by the court system.
- 14:05And if those rules are subverted or shortcutted or removed, then of course
- 14:11those protections are also removed. And in an McClosky's case, it's absolutely clear
- 14:16that the procedures were not followed properly and she has a reason to believe that
- 14:22she was therefore not treated fairly lawfully. However you want to express it now.
- 14:30One of the points that she has made is that in Northern Ireland the
- 14:35coronavirus emergency legislation has been extended. And so this is the newsletter from Belfast
- 14:43and the headline is from March eleventh and March stormut rejects extending anti democratic COVID
- 14:48powers on health, but keeps them for the courts. And if we look
- 14:52down at this saying, however, Justice Minister and then we long did get
- 14:56approval from the Assembly to extend emergency COVID law which allow the wider use of
- 15:01live links by courts. So this is the excuse that appears that they've used
- 15:05in order to make sure that Anne did not get into an actual court room
- 15:09in front of a judge and so on, and therefore they were in much
- 15:13better position to control the proceedings and so on. But in the time that
- 15:18we've got today, I probably haven't given this the justice of the deserves.
- 15:22So if you want to get the full story, Anne McCluskey on her substack
- 15:28here has a video that she released on Friday evening, I believe, just
- 15:33immediately after she was released from prison, important doctor Ann mcluskey speaks about her
- 15:39recent and lawful arrest and internment with our trial under COVID nineteen emergency pars.
- 15:45The full details are on that and hopefully we will get the opportunity to speak
- 15:50to and very soon in interview form and get the latest from her very very
- 15:56soon, but possibly possibly after the election will because of course she is standing,
- 16:00so we wish our good luck with that. Now let's move on to
- 16:04international. Oh sorry, before we do that, one other point that Anna
- 16:08is making here, and that is that of course, when we look at
- 16:12who's running the criminal or the court system, the IT systems for the courts
- 16:18which enable these live links and so on, it is Fujitsu. So this
- 16:22is ICOSTS, this is their courts management system. And also they've got a
- 16:29system called Causeway launched in two thousand and two, and that sort of links
- 16:33together various organizations including the police, the prison service, the court service,
- 16:38and the rest. So it is interesting that Fujitsu is the choice for IT
- 16:45provider there. But let's move on to international affairs and welcome Vanessa to the
- 16:49program. And Vanessa, let's get started with what's been going on in the
- 16:52Red Sea. Yes, it's very interesting escalation beloved as they are known regionally
- 17:02for their resistance, and of course what they're doing is entirely justified under the
- 17:08Genocide Convention. They are punishing and attempting to prevent genocide. So this was
- 17:17actually translated from Arabic to Almasira the Yemeni media, the main Yemeni media.
- 17:25So let's have a look at what they're saying. Drone boats in maritime warfare,
- 17:30the Yemeni armed forces possess advanced weaponry and military capabilities, particularly in naval
- 17:37weapons. They have demonstrated significant technological advancements in this area. These include offensive
- 17:44technologies achieved by only a few countries globally the clue is there, such as
- 17:48Russia, China, and the United States. Of course, Yemen has been
- 17:52capturing US manufactured weapons from the Saudi coalition that has been trying to beat Yemen
- 18:00into submission since March twenty fifteen, but the arsenal includes various tactical and strategic
- 18:06weapons such as naval mind suicide drones, unmanned submarines, and a formidable array
- 18:11of land to see missiles. Among these, unmanned surface vessels. Us fees
- 18:17are a critical innovation developed by Yemeny engineers to protect maritime sovereignty and counter threats
- 18:25from enemy ships and fleet. So let's just have a look at some of
- 18:27the technical details. I won't dwell on them too much. People can freeze
- 18:32frame and read it for themselves, but cost effectiveness and ease of use manufacturing
- 18:37us fees is relatively inexpensive and straightforward, requiring minimal financial and logistical resources.
- 18:45Sealth and precision destructive power. Us bees can carry explosive charges up to four
- 18:52hundred and fifty KOs, capable of destroying heavily fortified naval vessels such as destroyers
- 18:59and frigates. The function as guided maritime bombs, surpassing torpedoes and surface missiles
- 19:04in destructive capability. So let's have a look at the latest British boat to
- 19:10have been under attack, and that was These were two messengers from seven and
- 19:15eight am this morning British Maritime Trade Operations. Marine debris and oil from the
- 19:22ship Total have been reported in the last known location of the ship, which
- 19:26was basically, as it says, in the Red Sea off the coast of
- 19:30Daida, where the UK and the US have been carrying out punitive air strikes
- 19:36against and stroller against the resistance forces and Yemen. So let's just have a
- 19:41look at a quick video of the approaching USB from the crew on the Total
- 19:48ship that has now sunk. You know, scum here, no man,
- 20:07nam me do me movie the inside? You said, he said, say
- 20:22you say, you say, you say walking M's what level? No no,
- 20:37no, no, no, na no no oh no, Then I
- 20:47mean the town of Melam. I mean. It must be noted, of
- 21:11course that these ships are only targeted when they refuse to turn around and continue
- 21:18as with Israel as their destination, so they are given the opportunity to cease
- 21:26heading towards Israel. But this is interesting, This is Chinese experts and analysts
- 21:30Yemen's targeting of the US aircraft carrier Eisenhower shakes US strategic dominance. So this
- 21:40was basically China National Radio highlighted the Yemene Armed forces targeting of the American aircraft
- 21:47carrier Eisenhower. One of China's most influential national media institutions reported on the significant
- 21:53events. So let's have a look at what they're saying. It's worth noting,
- 21:57of course, that the United States and not the targeting of the Eisenhower
- 22:00and tried to produce on social media, in particular videos showing the Eisenhower without
- 22:07damage, but eagle eye social media followers pointed out that the video was at
- 22:12least a month old, so basically, the Liu the analyst highlighted that since
- 22:19twenty twenty four, the m and Armed forces have projected a robust image,
- 22:23attracting public attention with actions like blockading waterways and supporting Palestine. He goes on
- 22:30to say that Androla's evolution into a force daring enough to challenge American carrier exemplifies
- 22:38the Chinese proverb he who digs a pit for his brother falls into it,
- 22:42emphasizing the irony and the unexpected nature of this development. For the United States,
- 22:48the attack on the Eisenhower signifies the shattering of the myth of invincibility surrounding
- 22:55American carrier groups. The psychological impact on the US military outweighs any physical damage,
- 23:02strategically undermining American dominance. The US previously threatened nuclear retaliation for any attack
- 23:08on its carriers, a deterrent many feared. However, with Yemen's direct assault
- 23:14on the carrier, whether successful or not, the question arises, will the
- 23:18US wager nuclear war against Yemen? Clearly it's not feasible, meaning the illusion
- 23:23of unchallengeable dominance has bursts. And this is the significant implication of the M
- 23:30and E Armed Forces attack on the American aircraft carrier. Very interesting considering the
- 23:36fact that China obviously is in the US. Cross says, particularly the naval
- 23:41process. Yes, and I mean, do we know what actually caused that
- 23:48ship to sink? I mean, was the total the British ship. Yes,
- 23:55well, presumably they targeted the hull I would guess on it water because
- 24:00it was some time. I think it was at least twenty four hours between
- 24:04the time that it was targeted and the time that it's sunk. So presumably
- 24:08the crew members. I haven't seen anything declaring that crew members were lost,
- 24:12were able to be evacuated and the ship has since gone down. That's the
- 24:18second British ship that is being sunk. Yeah, Okay, thank you for
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- 25:47for that will be fantastic. So where does that take us? Charles the
- 25:52reimagining reimagining what warfare or defense? Well quite just before we get onto that,
- 25:56also a reminder that we will be running a live event in Bristol on
- 26:02the nineteenth of October, so there'll be more detail to come on that.
- 26:07Yes, okay, so Reimagining Defense Now, the Tony Blair Institute for Global
- 26:11Change is breaking new grounds. Will just put the slide on screen now reimagining
- 26:17defense and security from the eleventh of June, and rather than explain exactly what
- 26:22it was all about, we'll get the flavor of it from a video of
- 26:26a chap called Daniel Sleeter, Sorry, Daniel Sleet speaking modern conflicts show that
- 26:40drones are better than tanks. Yeah, I think this is a really important
- 26:42point to think through and be clear about. From my point of view,
- 26:47the lessons of what's happening in Ukraine and on the battlefields around the world isn't
- 26:51necessarily that new technologies are emerging completely at the expense of old technologies. It's
- 26:57that the mix of capabilities you need is changing. What are some of your
- 27:02ideas on the future of defense. We're currently experiencing the highest number of conflicts
- 27:07per year than at any time since the Second World War. That tells me
- 27:11that we need to be much better prepared for conflict if we want to avoid
- 27:15it. Nothing can do what a soldier can do. Yes, that's very
- 27:21true. We've seen in combat in recent years, particularly in Ukraine, the
- 27:25enduring importance of ground soldiers. Technology like drones is fundamentally changing warfare, but
- 27:33soldiers are vital in holding and taking territories. Hacking is now the only frontier
- 27:38that matters. Cyber warfare is becoming really, really important. It is changing
- 27:45how we defend ourselves globally, how we defend ourselves as a nation. That
- 27:51has to form part of the right mix of capabilities that we have as a
- 27:55country. Made your own judgments on the amount of experience that Daniel has to
- 28:03qualify any of the statements he's just made. But we'll have a look at
- 28:07his LinkedIn profile in which he's described as being the senior policy adviser at the
- 28:11Tony Blair Institute for Global Change. And how has he got there. Well,
- 28:15he has been a political advisor to Jack Straw after being a political advisor
- 28:19to Lord Carter of Coles and he was then a special advisor to Tony Blair
- 28:25now Blair. And indeed his institute or his acolytes have form in this regard
- 28:30in sort of effectively creating a culture of not really knowing what's going on.
- 28:36And I refer back to a publication in twenty ten Jonathan Pole, Blair's former
- 28:40chief of staff, writing The Newmaciavelli about the events of two thousand and six
- 28:44after Richard Dannatt, the then Chief of the General Staff, wrote in the
- 28:48Male controversial piece about whether or not the British troops should be in Iraq,
- 28:52and predictably it did not go down well at Downing Street. But this is
- 28:57just an indication of how they thought at the time, and Paul says that
- 29:02it was quite clear to me that he was unsuited to his job. Meaning
- 29:04Danet Tony explained to those present that politicians would not support maintaining a first division
- 29:08army if they were caused too much political pain by serving generals speaking out.
- 29:15It was always easier for politicians not to risk soldiers' lives. Well, that's
- 29:18an interesting thing to mull over, But I fear he was too subtle for
- 29:22Danet, who was divinely convinced of his own righteous I can think of somebody
- 29:27else that fits that description. It would be another step towards losing the ability
- 29:32to control our destiny as a country, a far more important one than sharing
- 29:36our sovereignty in NATO or the EU. Already we've lost the capacity to fight
- 29:40major operations by ourselves. We could no longer must have a task force like
- 29:45the one Britain sent to the Falklands, but sometimes war is necessary. After
- 29:48nine to eleven it was clear that military action was essential, but we were
- 29:53all a bit hazy about Afghanistan and the Taliban, neither of which had been
- 29:57har on our radar screen until then. The day after the attack, I
- 30:00walked up Whitehall to Waterstons on Trafalgar Square and bought all the books I could
- 30:07find on the Taliban. By far the best, with Ahmed Rashid's Taliban the
- 30:11Story of Afghan Warlord, and I sat at my desk and read it right
- 30:14through. Tony and Alistair were keen to borrow it. Once I had finished,
- 30:18I thought the sensible thing to do was send the Taliban an ultimatum.
- 30:22Well, never mind the Foreign Office or indeed the Army or any Afghan specialists
- 30:29to trip to Waterstons will do it. But that was the tenor with which
- 30:33the Blair administration of that period conducted business, and in effect now is a
- 30:37sort of reiteration and effectively the use or the abuse of people who are sitting
- 30:44in office to further the ends of either Blair himself or any of his organizations.
- 30:48So, just as a refresher, we look at the Commission for Africa,
- 30:52which of course he set up whilst Prime Minister into Africa and then commented
- 30:56on there by Chatham House saying Prime Minister's Blair Prime Minister Blair's personal commitment to
- 31:02Africa is in no doubt indeed, but it should really be a professional commitment.
- 31:06Blair himself writing on his own website marking the tenth anniversary of the Commission
- 31:11for Africa. But then, of course the Africa Governances Initiative effectively he had
- 31:15paid the way for a private enterprise by an action that he took whilst Prime
- 31:19Minister, so he says it was for this reason. I also set up
- 31:22the Africa Government's Initiative in two thousand and seven to continue to work shoulders shoulder
- 31:27with African counterparts to help deliver the life changing improvements their citizens expect. That
- 31:33is a highly questionable statement, but he's added again with the appointments of Nick
- 31:37Carter General Sir Nick Carter and Patrick Valance of course joining the Blair Institute for
- 31:41Change earlier this year, and Carter just a refresh all memory, has over
- 31:45forty five years of defense experience, culminating at the top of his profession as
- 31:49the Chief of the Defense Staff where he was the principal military advisor to the
- 31:55Prime Minister, the National Security Council and the Secretary of State for Defense and
- 32:00as head of UK Armed Forces. So he has connections of that. There's
- 32:04little doubt now when Carter left and was considering what he might do in future,
- 32:09he was referred to the Advisory Committee on Business Appointments and we look here
- 32:14at his paid employment with Helsing. Now what does Helsing do if you've not
- 32:19heard of it, it's a defense business that's concerned with artificial intelligence to serve
- 32:23our democracies. In particular, AI will be the key to protecting them.
- 32:29So they talk here about sea, land and air and if we remind ourselves
- 32:32of what was going on on the eleventh through imagining defense and indeed from that
- 32:37very document harnessing cutting edge software, they underpin the capabilities of hardware such as
- 32:43drones as well as being essential for command and control systems. This is an
- 32:45area in which the West, as the home of companies with advanced defense AI
- 32:50capabilities such as and Urill, Palanteer and Helsing, hold a distinct advantage over
- 32:58Russia and they go on leading global governance for long term influence. The UK
- 33:02should build on its success with the AI Safety Summit and establishment of the AI
- 33:07Safety Institute to expand the frameworks for testing and evaluating AI in high risk military
- 33:14AI systems and develop norms for applying the existing international humanitarian law to the use
- 33:21of laws by which they mean lethal autonomous weapon systems basically drones. So it
- 33:25seems quite clear what the intent of the Tony Black Institute for Global Change is
- 33:32in the very very cynical use or deployment should I say, of Nick Carter
- 33:37and his network into not just defense but sorry, the defense hierarchy, but
- 33:43also the defense industry. And this is something that we will absolutely be watching
- 33:46for sure, but it seems very very likely that it will influence the direction
- 33:50of travel of British defense policy. So the question is was the direction of
- 33:55travel of Middle defense policy? And well, Jainst Stoltenberg published this in the
- 34:01Sunday Telegraph this just past Sunday, NATO in talks. So this Telegraph calling
- 34:07this an exclusive NATO in talks to deploy more nuclear weapons. So let's look
- 34:10at what he had to say. I won't go into operational details about how
- 34:15many nuclear warheads would be should be operational and which should be stored, but
- 34:19we need to consult on these issues. Transparency helps to communicate the direct message
- 34:23that we, of course are a nuclear alliance. NATO's m is, of
- 34:28course a world without nuclear weapons, but as long as nuclear weapon exists,
- 34:31we will remain a nuclear alliance because a world where Russia, China, and
- 34:37North Korea have nuclear weapons and NATO does not is a more dangerous world.
- 34:43In a not very distant future, NATO may face something that has never faced
- 34:46before, and that is two nuclear part potential adversaries, China and Russia.
- 34:51Of course, this has consequences, so he is talking about taking more nuclear
- 34:55warheads out of storage and making deploying them operationally at least on standby, or
- 35:02however they want to on the end of their button that they want to press,
- 35:06and they do seem increasingly to want to press that button. So here
- 35:10is Francis Boyle's substack. And there two ago he was talking about the new
- 35:16Pentagon War Manual reducing us to the level of nazis now. In fact,
- 35:22this document was published in or at least updated in July twenty twenty three.
- 35:27Is originally published in June twenty fifteen. It comes from the Office of General
- 35:30Counsel for the Department of Defense in the United States. Let's have a look
- 35:35at what it does. First of all, it authorizes the use of depleted
- 35:37uranium munitions, napalm, cluster munitions, mines, and herbicides. Vanessa can
- 35:44correct me if I'm wrong in a second, But my understanding is that cluster
- 35:46munitions are banned internationally. But this new defense what do we call it policy,
- 35:55seems to certainly I'll permit that. They go on to say, this
- 36:00is a direct quote. Now, there's no general prohibition in treaty or customary
- 36:02international law on the use of nuclear weapons. And of course this is ignoring
- 36:07all the various international conventions and treaties that exist for non proliferation and non use
- 36:12of nuclear weapons. And this is getting to be a pretty dangerous kind of
- 36:16rhetoric that we're saying out of the United States and NATO at the moment.
- 36:21So going back to Francis Boyle's sub stack, this is one of the points
- 36:24it's made. The Pentagon's new Law War Manual sanctioning nuclear attacks and the killing
- 36:30of civilians quote reads like it was written by Hitler's Ministry of war. He
- 36:35went on to say, historically, this is a terrible development. We're reducing
- 36:38ourselves to the level of Nazis. It really is quite a terrible development.
- 36:45But the rhetoric builds and the pressure builds on Russia and China, and how
- 36:50are they supposed to respond? Because this pressure isn't just about what's happening now.
- 36:53This has been going on for the last couple of decades, as we
- 36:57have been reporting consistently throughout that time time. But at the recent NATO Defense
- 37:01Ministers meeting, jin Stottenberg had this to say on Ukraine, we have agreed
- 37:09and a plan that sets out how NATO will lead the coordination of security,
- 37:16assistance and training. The will allow NATO leaders to launch this effort at the
- 37:22Washington summit in July. It will consist of a NATO command located at a
- 37:29US facility in Wiesbaden and at logistical nodes in the eastern part of the Alliance.
- 37:37Across the Alliance, This effort is expected to involve nearly seven hundred personnel
- 37:43from NATO and partner countries. These efforts do not make NATO a party to
- 37:51the conflict. Do you agree with that? Stevent No? I think absolutely
- 37:58do to party of the conflict. He looked suitably awkward whilst saying it,
- 38:04which is rather meaningless. But the day, I mean, it seems to
- 38:07be following this sort of same statement that keeps being chucked out, which is
- 38:13the best way to avoid war is to prepare for it. But I'm not
- 38:19entirely certain that people really grasp the concept of that properly. No, And
- 38:22for that's I mean, when am I right about cluster ammunitions. They are
- 38:27banned internationally at this point, yep, they are. I can't remember if
- 38:30the US was a signatory, but in twenty sixteen, texture On, the
- 38:35main manufacturer in the US, allegedly halted production because they were being used extensively
- 38:42by the Saudi coalition against the many civilians from March twenty fifteen onwards. But
- 38:47of course they've also been used in Ukraine by the NATO proxy forces against civilians
- 38:53in Dombas, the petal mines that Eb Bartlett journalist and colleague has written about
- 39:00extensively. Yeah, and just briefly, Vanessa, I mean, it seems
- 39:06clear to me that Francis Boyle highlighting this Department of Defense document is important because
- 39:10they are absolutely, saying in that that if there is a strategic need,
- 39:15don't worry about the civilian casualties if you can demonstrate a strategic need to carry
- 39:20out a certain operation, and they're massive civilian casualties, And it seems to
- 39:23me that it may well be part of that document which is preventing any criticism
- 39:30from the US side of what Israel's doing, because of course that would be
- 39:34sheer hypocrisy. Yeah. Absolutely, And you know that's pretty much what we
- 39:40see NATO and NATO allies doing. Civilian this horrible word collateral damage is used
- 39:49liberally to cover up massacres. We saw it in Nusrets Camp last week.
- 39:54One two hundred and seventy four people were killed to rescue four hostages and kill
- 40:00three others. Yes, okay, well, let's move on to Ukraine.
- 40:05And of course over the weekend was the Ukraine Peace Summit in inverted Commas,
- 40:10because of course Russia wasn't there, So how it could possibly be a peace
- 40:14summit, I'm not entirely sure. But what's interesting is that several countries that
- 40:19were involved in it have refused to sign the plan. And I'll just here
- 40:22here speculating on why that might be, but nonetheless, some countries have refused
- 40:28to sign, and I think that is indicative of the reality of the Ukrainian
- 40:32situation at the moment. But Medvedev has published a post on telegram which will
- 40:39translate in one second about the peace conference, So let's just have a look
- 40:44at what he had to say. He said, after all, to resolve
- 40:46the conflict, the sly Swiss shepherds called only the proven animals a crazy small
- 40:52board who has swallowed a sexual stimulant with his constant friend. I heard of
- 40:58dumb headed Western Alpine sheep bleeding blissfully about peace, as well as a pack
- 41:02of European guard dogs to guard the livestock. He's not mentioning his words,
- 41:07He's drawing parallels with animal farm Here the dogs bark, spray poison saliva in
- 41:13all directions and keep order, and they need to keep an eye on it.
- 41:15The sheep often bleed out of place and get confused from the memorized formulas.
- 41:20At the head of the flock, there's a visibly present, elderly feeble
- 41:23knighted owner can't imagine who that is, who has long since lost contact with
- 41:28reality and constantly freezes looking at the sky with a detached, idiotic expression on
- 41:32his face. His family wouldn't let him go because of the progressive dementia,
- 41:37sending his dim witted deputy to the mountains who took a photo on a green
- 41:40lawn, set a memorized phrase, and quickly bolted home Vanessa. This is
- 41:45obviously quite dark humor, but it's impossible to criticize because he has biden,
- 41:52at the very least dye to the tea. Well, he's got everything down
- 41:57to a tea in my opinion, Yes, perfect athletic description. Yes,
- 42:00okay, Well, look, let's bring John Helmer on screen, and he's
- 42:07basically talking about the situation on the ground in Ukraine with respect to electrical infrastructure
- 42:14in this article, saying that that has become a major target for Russia in
- 42:19the Special military Operation, that eighty six percent of Ukraine's electricity generating capacity has
- 42:23been destroyed. But it's not just their electricity generating capacity, it's also their
- 42:29heat networks, because of course the Ukraine is still full of massive heat networks
- 42:36for heating people's homes. Is a carryover from the Soviet era, and these
- 42:40heat networks are taking steam into people's homes to heat the central heating systems all
- 42:46over the place. So Ukraine looking not only at energy shortages in terms of
- 42:51electricity over the winter period, but also extreme cold in their homes because the
- 42:58heat networks aren't going to function. So he's quoting a US military source saying
- 43:04that this is Russian deep battle being fought in fact by the General Staff while
- 43:08ass operations continue to be restricted in Moscow for political reasons. Soon the impact
- 43:14will be impossible to cover up. For now we know how bad it's getting
- 43:16by the lack of discussion about how bad it's getting. So I think that
- 43:21is a very telling comment because of course we get an idea of how bad
- 43:24it is because of the lack of discussion. And finally, I just want
- 43:29to bring the I do apologize. I can't remember the position that this Ukrainian
- 43:37holds, but basically, a finance minister related strong armies must be underpinned by
- 43:43strong economies to win wars. As we approach the deadline, we must urge
- 43:46our bondholders to continue productive and good faith negotiations with more substantial debt. Really,
- 43:52for this is basically because Ukraine is about to fail to pay back twenty
- 43:58billion dollars worth of bond they're owing and they are looking for a reorganization of
- 44:05that debt. So it's likely that the people that have bought those bonds are
- 44:08going to not get not only get their twenty they're not only not going to
- 44:13get their twenty billion dollars back, but they're probably not going to get twelve
- 44:16billion dollars of that. So you know, a significant haircut coming for people
- 44:22that have been investing in Ukraine at the moment, Vanessa, let's move to
- 44:28Lebanon. Yes, we've been talking about the potential for escalation for the past
- 44:34nine months. We seem to be sort of incrementally escalating and attacks from the
- 44:39Israeli side and from the Hasbala side in southern Lebanon. This was in the
- 44:45BBC. The White House questions Natanyawhu's criticism over weapons delay, but it appears
- 44:52if we look what they're actually saying. A senior Administration official confirmed to the
- 44:58BBC that deliver of thousands of two thousand pound another bombs had been paused,
- 45:04the first delay of US munitions to Israel, despite tens of thousands of Palestinians
- 45:09having been slaughtered. It goes on to say that, of course, the
- 45:14US is by far Israel's biggest source of weapons and ammunition three point five billion
- 45:21pounds or three billion pounds of military aid each year. The Biden administration will
- 45:25move forward with another major arm cell to Israel that includes fifty fifteen fighter jets
- 45:31worth more than eighteen billion. US media reported after two key Democratic holdouts signed
- 45:38off. Now, I've noticed today on social media that there's a lot of
- 45:44information being put out there that there was never any real freeze on weapons supply
- 45:50to Israel. This, again, I would say, is part of the
- 45:52whole electioneering posturing by the Biden administration. However, what we've had in the
- 45:59last couple of days, which coincides with the Biden administration members like Blincoln and
- 46:05Amos Hoxstein visiting Arab states in the region and currently I think in Israel,
- 46:12the Hoopo mission major security failure for Israel. Israel media outlets and officials continue
- 46:20to comment on the video published by Hezbelah, which was about nine minutes long,
- 46:23to address the implication and messages that Hesbela wanted to convey to Israel.
- 46:29And now the fact is that hes Blah flew its by drone over vast waves
- 46:35of occupied territory without detection, and in fact, the Israeli media was putting
- 46:40out messaging saying it was alarms had gone off, but they were false alarmed.
- 46:46Other Israeli media also mentioned that Hezbola's videos convey an unequivocal message to Israel,
- 46:52indicating that they are present inside Israel by air, land and sea,
- 46:57planning for the future, and capable of deliver severe blows. Filming these videos
- 47:02is a first degree Israeli security failure, definitely, adding that the situation in
- 47:07the north is much worse than we imagine. Is Raeli journalist an expert on
- 47:13Arab affairs, Jackie Hugy, said that Hesbela's video aimed to send a message
- 47:16that Israel does not reduce its firepower in Lubanon, Hezbola will have to use
- 47:22greater force and that Heifer is within its reach. He also pointed out that
- 47:28this message accompanies the verbal messages that Hezbla is sending to Tel Aviv. So
- 47:32let's just have a very quick look as a summary of the video that Hesbla
- 47:37took. So, I mean quite extraordinary intelligence gathering that Hezbla was able to
- 49:15do, and this was in Al Myodine experts decode messages and has Bla's cooper
- 49:22Mission video. In the same context. The experts told al Myodine that Bla's
- 49:28video includes three types of potential targets military, the military industrial complex and the
- 49:35Hypha military base and naval based civilian, the Crayat area two hundred thousand settlers
- 49:42are in that area, and strategic Hyphaport and its facilities. They added that
- 49:49the three types of potential targets are meant to establish a three dimensional balance of
- 49:52deterrence against Israel, with each dimension relating to the type of target Israel may
- 49:59strike in any confrontation with Lebanon. So this was a very strong message being
- 50:04sent, of course, at the same time that Amos Hochstein was in Lebanon
- 50:12to discuss with some of the resistance leaders a potential de escalation. Hochstein returned
- 50:20from Lebanon in a state of pessimism, having spoken to, as I said,
- 50:25leaders within the resistance, who of course are not going to withdraw from
- 50:30the southern border with the occupied territories. And this was from Yaron Abraham,
- 50:37who's the political affairs analyst for Channel twelve. In Israel. He pointed out
- 50:44that Hogstein, before traveling to Lebanon, met with Netanyahoe Defense Minister Joaf Gallant,
- 50:51Chief of Staff Herzi Halevi, who's in charge I think of the operations
- 50:55in the northern occupied territories, Benny gantzt Yer Lapine, Isaac Kertzog, and
- 51:00a group of Israeli officials. Now, what is becoming clear out of these
- 51:07talks, and Blincoln has reiterated this is that Hez Blar is increasing the pressure
- 51:14in response to Israeli aggression, but also putting on pressure to the United States
- 51:20to effectively push through the withdrawal of Zionist forces from Gaza and basically fulfill the
- 51:30piece steal that America is claiming that it concocted. So Blincoln has admitted that
- 51:37the Gaza ceasefire is key to calming the Northern Front. And of course,
- 51:42while all of this is going on, Israel has effectively continued its genocide and
- 51:47massacres in Israel, killing and injuring Palestinians in Rafa, in Maussawi, Mawazi
- 51:55Sorry Camp in the South which was designated as safe so and across pretty much
- 52:01all areas of gards are continuing to decimate, decimate infrastructure and the ability of
- 52:08Poalestinians to eat, drink clean water or simply survive. Okay, thank you
- 52:17for that, Vanessa. Okay, let's come back to Europe then and snooping.
- 52:22And of course we have been making the point that the Online Safety Bill
- 52:28and the Investciatory pars Act amendments permit the UK government to demand that any company
- 52:37providing end to end encryption services in a chat application, for example, need
- 52:40to make it available. This was the National Crime Agency National Strategic Assessment of
- 52:47Serious and Organized Crime talking about this the enhanced privacy and the use of encryption
- 52:52is impacting on law enforcement's ability to collect intelligence and evidence. And then more
- 52:58recently a week or two a go, the Joint declaration of European Police Chiefs
- 53:01including the UK. By the way, two key capabilities are crucial to supporting
- 53:07online safety. First, the ability of technology companies to provide law enforcement investigations
- 53:10in response to lawful authority with strong safeguards and oversights. So that's okay.
- 53:15Then the data of suspected criminals on their service. This is known as lawful
- 53:21access. And they were worried particularly about child sexual abuse imagery because this is
- 53:25always the excuse it's used for this and so on, And they went on
- 53:30to highlight the need to give them access or to remove and encryption, because
- 53:37without that access or removal of that system, we would simply not be able
- 53:42to keep the public safe. It's what they said. Well, the EU
- 53:45is busy pushing through their version of this at the moment it was supposed to
- 53:50happen today, it's more likely to happen tomorrow. But if we look at
- 53:53this document, it's talking about all services that provide any kind of chat functionality
- 54:00and the ability to hoover up data on those services, and they're saying here
- 54:05as services which enable direct, interpersonal and interactive exchange of information merely as a
- 54:09minor ancillary feature that is intrinsically linked to another service such as chat and similar
- 54:15functions as part of gaming, image sharing and video hosting, are equally at
- 54:20risk of misuse and they should also be covered by this regulation. So it's
- 54:24quite incredible that this is being, of course led by the Belgian EU Council
- 54:30presidency. They want bulk chat control searches and they are saying, basically,
- 54:37this isn't just about client side scanning which means scanning on your device, scanning
- 54:42on your mobile phone, or whether they also want the ability to moderate any
- 54:47content which is being uploaded to service and they want to include AI detection in
- 54:52this. Now, of course there's dangers to this. One is, of
- 54:58course, a mass surveillance is a totalent, total sorry, a totalitarian tool.
- 55:04It's also actually pretty ineffective. But it's also it also undermines data security,
- 55:10and this is the big danger as far as I'm concerned. Well,
- 55:14one are the big dangers because if governments can get access to data, then
- 55:19hackers can get access to data. And we've already seen so many data breaches
- 55:22on so many platforms now, including government, National Health Service and a whole
- 55:25bunch of other places, that we really should be treating this whole thing with
- 55:31major contempt now. In the meantime, the National Police Chiefs Council just find
- 55:38this quite interesting talking about child sexual abuse and exploitation analysis. This is from
- 55:45January this year, but they're saying here that for the first time, a
- 55:50new report from the Vulnerability Knowledge and Practice Program sets out publicly a clear detailed
- 55:55picture of reported child sexual abuse and exploitation crimes across England and Wales. The
- 56:01analysis sets out the consistent growth of CSA reported to police, with one hundred
- 56:07and seven thousand crimes reported to policing, a figure that has risen significantly in
- 56:12the last ten years. More than half of child sexual abuse offenses were committed
- 56:17by children, a significant increase from what has previously was previously known. The
- 56:22report also shows that over a third of child sexual abuse contact crimes take place
- 56:29within a family environment. Group based CSA accounts for five percent of all identified
- 56:35and reported crime. So you know, it might be possible to argue that
- 56:42there is a massive prevalence of child sexual abuse imagery on the Internet and there
- 56:47has been a growth of that over the last number of years, but the
- 56:52kind of growth that you see on the internet with imagery, of course those
- 56:55images have to be taken whenever children are actually being abused. We haven't seen
- 57:01similar growth in the number of crimes being reported, so there are a number
- 57:07of issues there that might be discussed. Is the rise of sharing of imagery
- 57:14as a result of the ability of the use of encryption, or is it
- 57:17because in fact it's easier now to take that type of material, produce that
- 57:22type of material in the first place, and I find it fascinating that the
- 57:28rise in criminal activity is particularly significant amongst children, and I question then why
- 57:36that would be. Is that because of the type of child sexual education regime
- 57:39that we have in the West at the moment, or is there something else
- 57:43going on? There are many many questions to be asked around this whole issue
- 57:46of child sexual abuse, and it's not right to use it as a sort
- 57:52of poster child for the kind of censorship and mass surveillance that governments in the
- 57:59UK and the EU and the United States are proposing at the moment. And
- 58:02I would suggest that perhaps this issue, plus the other issues of warfare and
- 58:07other things which are absolutely not on the general election agenda at the moment,
- 58:13need to be Okay, Charles, Let's move on then to weld, fish
- 58:17and seeds not together, but a very quick update on a couple of things
- 58:22that I've reported on in recent times. On Monday, the Genetic Modification Inspectorate
- 58:30updated its seed Audit program, in which they specifically make reference to the information
- 58:37about the introduction of the Genetic Technology Precision Breeding Act of last year's Well just
- 58:43read the critical bit of text here talking about the government taking step step approach,
- 58:47it will enable precision breeding technologies for plants first, followed by animals.
- 58:52Later precision breeding technologies such as gene editing can make targeted genetic changes. And
- 58:57then, critically the highlighted text here, they say the changes can arise through
- 59:00traditional breeding and natural processes and can produce beneficial traits. However, of course
- 59:07they don't have any evidence of that, because it's too early to be able
- 59:09to determine whether or not that is the case. Further, it's far too
- 59:13early to determine the effect of such a product on either the human gut and
- 59:16digestion or indeed the environment within which it's grown. So they're very confident apparently
- 59:22about what they believe to be the case, but they don't know. With
- 59:27that in mind, it's worth pointing out that there's just been an announcement about
- 59:30the development of strains of wheat that haven't had any attention for over one hundred
- 59:35years, the Watkins varieties hidden genetic treasure, and they say that sorry,
- 59:40that was from seafood source and no wrong, that's from yeah, my apologyem
- 59:46yeah, sorry, fizz Or. But it refers to an article in Nature
- 59:51and it talks about sixty percent of the genetic diversity found in this Watkins collection
- 59:55of wheat is unused, providing an unprecedented opportunity to improve with modern wheat and
- 1:00:00sustainably feed a growing global population. Now they make it sound terribly simple,
- 1:00:04but of course the same thing is true here. If the human system and
- 1:00:07indeed genetic makeup is used to a particular diet or a particular strain of wheat
- 1:00:13to reintroduce something that hasn't been in existence for well over one hundred years,
- 1:00:16is likely to have very very significant effects. But again that's not talked about,
- 1:00:21that's not dealt with. It's as though this is just a positive.
- 1:00:24And then switching to fish, which again I spoke about recently, seafood Source
- 1:00:30reports that the UK, Norway and Faroe Islands have reached an agreement on quotas,
- 1:00:35but essentially it's a net loss for the UK. So on the one
- 1:00:39hand, they're allowing macro stocks to recover, but also we're seeding more of
- 1:00:43our fishing rights to Norway than they are to us. Say that the says
- 1:00:47the agreement. We'll also see Norway Transfer twenty three thousand, six hundred and
- 1:00:52sixty tons of its macrow quota in twenty twenty four to the UK to be
- 1:00:55fished either in the UK's exclusive economics in all international waters, and the UK
- 1:01:01is granting Norway similar provision but for a great deal more one hundred and twenty
- 1:01:07three three hundred and thirty tons of mackerel. So again just with food security
- 1:01:14in mind and considering not just the land but the sea. We wait to
- 1:01:17find out where this is likely to go with regard to fisheries and access to
- 1:01:23fish stocks. Yes, okay, thank you, thank you very much,
- 1:01:27Charles, thank you to Vanessa as well. We've got to finish there for
- 1:01:30today. I'm going to thank everybody for watching and we'll be back in a
- 1:01:34few minutes if your UK column member for some extra Otherwise, don't forget the
- 1:01:38interview tomorrow and one pm is usual on Friday for the next use see you
- 1:01:44then, Bye bye b