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Talks to Mark Rawlins about his pick of The Android Invasion (Part Three) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  Hello and welcome to a hamster with a blunt penknife.
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  Why on Earth did I choose that title for this podcast because
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  it is a help very difficult to get your mouth around.
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  But there we are, here, we are back for episode 3, of the
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  Android Invasion. I am Joe and I am here with my
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  guest this week Mark. Hello.
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  Hello. Have excited to find out what
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  happens to Sarah. After a face has fallen off.
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  We left on an amazing. Cliffhanger don't worry, it's
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  such a Moment, did you recognize like a top ten?
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  Oh, absolutely. Definitely, I would probably put
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  it in there. Yeah.
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  Now even if you don't have this story as much then that you have
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  to acknowledge that moment is a proper doctor, a moment, whereas
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  I cannot remember at all what the Cliffhanger is that the end
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  of episode 3, so that will be quite strong like a ditz.
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  Yeah, yeah. Okay.
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  I can't remember the no. I come over it and there's find
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  out. Are you ready to go?
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  I'm ready. Okay, so in 5 4, 3, 2 1.
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  Go. Another random question.
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  Where does this theme tune for you?
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  Why is it is this the best Doctor Who themed you?
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  That's a good question. I was ever asked that question,
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  but it's the classic one, isn't it?
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  I I say July the most remembered Yes.
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  Yeah you know I quite like the McCoy one to be honest.
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  Oh that's not a popular opinion and I know controversial.
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  I love the series for new series 1.
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  I think that's a fantastic like yeah.
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  Oh there we go. Kelly always on the stove,
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  that's really creepy, that's so well done.
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  And when she sits up in a second, this dummy up points for
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  effort. I think that's I think that's
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  scary though because it looks like like cut it.
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  Yeah, it doesn't look real. Yeah absolutely.
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  Yeah. Oh Sarah, what is separately?
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  Here we go. Back to the cottage Shakespeare.
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  I think there is what they've tried.
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  They tried to make the curls interesting by having one
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  standing higher than the other one.
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  That's, that's about as far as it goes.
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  I would have rather. They desert sits down the yeah.
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  Oh, there's three to three. I'll steal it from the side
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  profile. The the Rhino part is really
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  accentuated this there, but from the front.
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  Yeah, you see, you can't really see it.
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  So these free old fogies have created.
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  A faker of Imagine going to the fan of the curls will be awfully
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  tedious. Yeah, I've heard going well, no
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  be finished. Did do return to the crawl
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  Planet. Didn't they did?
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  Yes. Yeah but that they have pretty
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  much been a sequel to every single story though.
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  However, get back on location. Okay, I just always happy on
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  location here. Okay.
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  So we know this is a fake of now.
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  Yes. Yes, to be honest.
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  It's a highly detailed and it like I mean that's the best fake
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  Earth I've ever seen, it's great.
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  Yeah, it doesn't. I think I like collecting
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  everyone now. Yeah.
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  Yeah, they are. Oh here's the question.
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  How they just made the village and the surrounding Countryside
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  or have they made like the entirety of England on the
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  entirety of the world is a radius of, okay?
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  And if you've got one of, you know, they've got a vicar, they
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  got the pub lady. They've got the younger guys
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  would understand. I think back to the top of red
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  phone booths. Sorry old man again.
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  Oh, I think this is a, this is the bit where he jumps up onto
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  that and stick one comes up behind him.
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  This is a really great say I'm not sure, but maybe a bit later,
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  it might be now. Suppose, Our Fair stab of trying
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  to do a transition that I can see a house and in the
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  background. No bad.
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  Yeah, it's not bad. I've seen worse.
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  Yeah, do you remember in the visitation when they go down
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  into the spaceship that's buried underneath.
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  And then behind, there's like this Dreadful, like curtain that
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  supposed to represent the trees. Yeah, yeah.
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  It's not again, they can do it here.
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  Why not? In like, five years time, short
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  memories, My question is that weird like cloth, like the door?
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  Here is, this is like that. When the yeah, let me see.
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  No. Oh, hello is shrinking.
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  The crawl out in it. In this gadget.
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  In this surrounding. Yeah.
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  I just doesn't doesn't everything look better on film,
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  I think so. Yes, you think yeah, you mean in
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  Carl's? All right, on this, although
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  using the oh yeah, that's nice plastic stuff.
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  There we go. I want to recreate this moment.
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  I want to stand up on that thing.
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  I promise I promise I'll tell you that Obelisk one day.
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  I'm sure nobody will think anything strange is going on.
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  They must for people to be getting ready.
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  From the from high looking down on the stick around for the end.
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  You really enjoy this all year. How many cars hunchback?
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  And this is the doctor on that thing is the photo from this
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  story. It's always on the cover of, you
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  know, of everything, isn't it? It's the cover of, uh, from the
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  target. I think I can definitely be a
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  chess. God's sake, Sarah?
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  Yeah, I'm just choosing to stay here while there's places.
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  Trying to come up with. They had an identical thing to
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  this and the brain of morbius where he's about to be
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  sacrificed. He's up against the pole.
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  All I didn't they? Yeah, they pointed out you don't
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  notice really until about how he's got the same bag of tricks
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  going on. I wonder how much mobile homes
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  added to this, though? I feel like well, a bomb
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  countdown is a Terry Nation thing.
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  Oh yeah, spiritual Terry, I think this is all Terry Nation.
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  Oh yeah, the Daleks the bombs gonna be ice.
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  Onyx. Okay, I think it is.
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  I call it. The teas made in the commentary,
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  there's like Teeth way. I like this moment where they
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  just sort of they missed the blast and look at this and slow
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  up and we know of I love slow-mo It's like that's a good use of
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  it. Yeah, totally Oh, and this is
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  the plan of the car. Yeah, we're definitely not going
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  to the bottom of the Cross. It's just like it's just like a
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  desert. There we go.
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  Yeah, just about over. That looks very lot.
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  Better failures for easily. So, I think it's a shame because
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  now we've lost, we lose all the location work.
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  Now, don't worry. It's all that stuff.
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  We're into it an hour into the second half of the story.
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  And I just thought we don't see the outside of their ship or
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  anything. My, although that's not uncommon
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  is it in Doctor Who they want to put a bit you know, flying
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  through space to show that it's not on Earth or entering Earth.
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  I don't think of like model work in this era of the show.
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  I can't think of March, it was more kind of ingrained Williams
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  time. Wasn't it?
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  What? They started doing.
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  Lots of models. She likes things in space.
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  Yeah, I don't think there's anything in. 07:13.
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  Money shot of the TARDIS flowing through space in pyramids and
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  the person's like on ship. That's a that's like spaces for,
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  that's just, that's pretty good. Yeah, I think that looks great.
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  When the kid about, you know, rocket coming out of the church
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  or something. Yeah.
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  Can what and, you know, Mary Barry would have gone mad with
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  ACS. Oh yeah.
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  Oh, no. Wait, you see a rocket going up
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  value. But it's, isn't it like stock
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  footage of a rocket? Oh, it's that same.
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  They use it a lot. I think in another story.
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  Yeah. It's I think it's in Revenge of
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  the survey as well. When that rocket goes up.
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  I think. Yes, that's it.
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  Standard Doctor. Who rocket shot.
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  Number 4. I thought that it's been -
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  three, you know, for the last week one of those crawl codes
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  might be quite useful right now. Okay, here's a question.
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  What about this being hairy inventors Last Story?
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  Oh, it's a shame. Isn't it?
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  That you they just have it's more for Harry actually that it
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  needs. Yeah, it doesn't really and the
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  actual ending of this as well, it's very quick ending for him,
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  you don't even get, you know, they don't catch up or they
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  don't, you know, have a this evil Harry throughout because
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  it's the ultimate thing on Earth in the season two, I might have
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  liked reading into that and had that behave.
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  Exactly could have had it. He could have come back.
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  If you know that, I know this is, what you'll see is our Doom,
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  then you're not really on Earth as Really are you felt for me?
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  They are fly. Can actually for a long time,
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  your great ending for you for the sort of unit and these these
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  characters. But I'm glad they're in it
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  because it just to see the evil version what evil?
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  I mean, they're not that the Android versions of these.
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  There's always one the secret, than this which really libation
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  me like, sit back. And that's when I think it's
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  been tarnished shoots Tom Baker's doctor and you actually
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  see the bullet go into his Chest.
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  And, but he's the Android and he just goes satisfied and then
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  walks away this really creepy. Really good.
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  But apparently, okay. So in one st.
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  Elizabeth sladen, sort of biography, or okay.
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  It was from Elizabeth's late night.
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  I heard this John Levine was told to ad-lib his reaction to,
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  like, shooting the doctor. And she said, yeah, I've got it,
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  I've got it, you know, it's like going right over there.
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  How am I going to do this? How am I gonna do this?
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  And apparently, he shoots him and then goes, I shot the The
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  doctor. Oh no.
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  Like I'm sorry about whole studio just fell about laughing.
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  Oh he must have been an incredible man to work with my.
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  I just noticed. This outfit here that guy
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  craford is where he's like the spearhead auton boiler suit with
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  his, maybe it is. With this thing, right?
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  That's what they do. That would have been a hell of a
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  Twist at the end of his own fell away and know what, I maybe
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  that's why I like this. I like I love Ottomans and of
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  the autons stories in miso and lovely.
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  Does that extend to the new series as well or the classic
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  ones? All of ya?
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  All of them. Yeah, Spirit from space is
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  great. I imagine if this these they
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  were autons in this. Yeah, well, I think that like I
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  think the Autos would automatically write any story
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  better. It's just that would be amazing.
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  I don't find like a lot. Some people find Terror of the
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  autons a bit disappointing, after I think it's great.
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  I do I do. I mean I love that the spearhead
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  also on is the classic. Look for them.
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  They don't get it quite right in Terror of the autons but imagine
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  if he was like instead of the eyepatch thing, it was a bit of
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  a Rory moment and his hand went down.
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  He was like know, maybe like hell is going awesome.
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  Yeah, it's a double invasion. In fact, the autons have been
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  picky back again across and using them.
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  That would have been great. Oh, yeah.
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  And you get Harry and Benson or towns that, you know, also
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  remember that picture that they put up in the Doctor Who
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  magazine of potential stories for Paul mcgann's like first
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  season and there was a shot. Yeah, of autons in San
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  Francisco. It looks so good at everything.
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  Because I remember the end of the pandorica opens.
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  I was like, what is going on? I know KS such.
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  I love it. Yeah.
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  Tom Baker's really bored at the exposition isn't?
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  Yeah. Can we just get back to the
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  action? Some people say is like a proper
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  Grump in this season but I really like is no.
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  Yeah, I like it. I don't think.
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  Is is our preferred preferred this than later growing
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  Williams. Sorry.
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  What about the later? Chris?
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  Frates? Bid me?
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  Tom Baker, who's like really style of?
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  I really like season 18? Yeah.
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  That's But I like the tone of those stories and he fits.
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  It just worked. Just feels like he's kind of
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  it's ramping up to his end because he yeah sources.
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  You know that's on its way. Yeah it is weird how like with
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  the three distant. The Producers there is a
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  different feel to his doctor in each one.
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  Yeah. That's why I'm kind of wishing
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  the new series. They let a doctor spread over to
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  show Runners just to see really what housing to see.
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  Yeah you definitely notice it. I think that putting poison in
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  their drinks. They just shoot them. because,
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  I'd like a crawl drink set, we can make that happen.
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  You know I'm kind of frustrated grunt glass effect or is that a
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  bit of blue screen there hasn't been Lucy has been forgotten
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  they like these sort of Raisin type is the reason yeah I saw
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  that an Ikea last year, you know The Kroll range, you get your
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  bread roll bread roll. I got a real bread roll from
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  well, basically a fake one, but oh my word.
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  That is not coming out, that's hilarious.
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  But I will say, look, we can like pick holes in like the
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  silliness is still great. This is oh yeah.
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  No, it's still fun. Yeah.
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  I think this is another Terry Nation thing to take off getting
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  out of a prison cell by using some kind of.
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  Oh yeah. Who drink pretending you real
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  thing? I love your termination watch
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  Amazing. What do you think?
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  What a lot of him lately in the in the world?
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  It's the floor. Coming up there. it's like a red
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  light coming out from the floor like they're sitting on the
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  entrance to hell. At least I play selection for
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  the bad lighting in this video. I don't know why it's not in the
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  rest of the ship. So the poison oh did you I'm
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  gonna have to do some explanation for me now.
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  So the poison is because I think that's all.
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  Oh, I think it's what they're going to kill everyone on Earth
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  with and so they've been testing it out before they get there.
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  I think that's always a good plan and Sarah, then I think,
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  did you see any similarities between this and extremist in
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  the new series, which is the The monks creating fake.
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  It's kind of the same story a little bit now, you said it?
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  Yeah, they create like a Yes, the same kind of concept, isn't
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  it? Yeah.
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  They create this whole the for Invader Universe.
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  Yeah. I say this.
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  Does it really like this this whole definitely?
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  Yeah, I did like that. I don't know who the quarrels
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  are great. But I go with the crawls over
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  the monks very dull one. They I think what did you learn
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  about them? Nothing.
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  Although actually if the crowds are in those red robes, that
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  would liven things up a little bit.
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  If the crowds had been in extremis that would have life
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  without hair is like the Zippy voice.
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  So she's just pulled out like an electrical wire.
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  Oh, and she's going to like shove it in the chest and they
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  house the water and electrocute somebody, because they're
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  Androids. Yes.
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  Yeah, I feel so. Terry Nation, doesn't it?
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  Like electricity? Yeah.
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  I bet it. Yeah if you get put in prison
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  and as Harry Nation script, you're going to get some food
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  and drink. I think I do that to you, that
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  will be instrumental in you escaping.
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  Yeah. Okay.
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  Because it's definitely there in the Daleks isn't it with 600 in
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  your know. He's going through his pockets,
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  he go. Oh look a fancy hanky this and
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  that There we go. It's the oh yeah.
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  I think I want to call this the yeah it's the invasion of the
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  dinosaurs hit no effect. But then this is again.
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  Think about it for kids it like this is Sarah killing Harry.
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  Exactly. Yeah, exactly.
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  It's not just like some Harry is their prison guard.
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  I'm not sure what I think it might be very less, but this
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  just feels more child friendly than a lot of stuff around it.
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  Like this feels, yes, I think so.
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  Yeah, it was, it's not bit. Like I don't like Mark of the
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  Rani and Season 22. It's feels a bit gentler and a
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  bit. Oh hmm.
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  That's his name. He's done.
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  Well in the story, though, it is, you know, she's got a are
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  blowing scenes in their lavish chest Is he part of the the
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  stunt team? This guy.
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  I think what? Yeah that's that's yeah.
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  Max Faulkner. I think his name is yeah.
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  But I like that the way is back blue offered.
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  That's only something you could say in adults, who commentary,
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  isn't it? I just, I love the way the back
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  blew up. It's not a bad effect actually
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  on this. And it is quite nice.
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  How it's only happening to Tom Baker, that they're both in the
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  phone screen. So I'm thinking yeah it doesn't
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  bleed on this or anything else or like I mean how old is this
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  40 years old? Now, 45 years old, 40 years old,
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  I think I think they pioneered effects back then, didn't they?
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  And what I think Barry Letts is very much into that, wasn't he?
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  He loved all his stuff. Absolutely, because of what they
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  did back then, we have what we have now are because it evolved.
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  You know, it just it does mean that occasionally, they tripped
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  up like innovation of the dinosaurs.
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  Melissa trying my, I thought I really love about you.
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  I've been to a few light Ray valves a little bit lot,
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  actually. I was just shooting it up by
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  accident. Okay.
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  Oh Sara. She doesn't me and she presses a
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  robot, which is very dark because they all have the same
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  Cochise. Yeah, yeah.
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  But did you remember the little gonna do another parallel in the
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  Seas of do, when he's in the crusher?
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  She makes it go faster. See they've got one bag of
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  tricks and this season is gonna keep using them.
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  I absolutely love, Sarah J. What we did a podcast episode
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  about our favorite companion. She was like, instantly, why
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  number one? But by God she could do some
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  stupid things sometimes. I think this is Robert.
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  Holmes, isn't it? Yeah.
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  Because Sarah, she's like what are you talking about?
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  Yeah. They said that it's like when
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  I'm watching Genesis of the Daleks and the dialogue is like,
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  so one point I'm like that's a rose you know.
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  No Terry Nation. Did not know he That's Terry
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  Nation. The Earth female has escaped
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  find her. Yeah, that's it.
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  Yeah. Oh, and they're getting into the
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  rocket. Hang on a second.
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  That is the most phallic rocket I've ever seen called.
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  Also, I thought they take up. They haven't taken off yet?
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  No, not yet. No, please.
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  This is the fleet ready to go on the planet, right?
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  Okay. Yeah.
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  Kanya raisins. See, now that bizarre
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  penis-shaped rocket becomes a very NASA star rocket when it
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  takes off. Yes, spacesuit.
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  I wasn't it. Yeah, ugly things, aren't they?
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  What's that looks nothing like that.
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  At least when you were one, John Pertwee did it for Ambassadors
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  of death. They like blue something in his
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  face. So here's Lisa.
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  She's what's up back? Yeah.
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  Okay, Liz. We're going to go into extreme
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  close-up now. We just need you to do your
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  G-Force acting. It was still that was that was
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  still really fun though. I don't think he is getting
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  weirder goddamn it Village. But we move on to the next.
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  The next part of the story. So I fear, I may have to rewrite
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  my review for my blog you know, as I'm rather enjoying this.
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  God damn it.