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  Now, today's conversation is with Twila Brays, president and co-founder of Citizens Council for Health Freedom, a patient-centered policy organization established in Minnesota more than 20 years ago to protect patient and doctor freedom.
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  Twila is a regular monthly guest on this show on the 10 Penny Files.
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  She's been with me for several years now, uh, bringing us updates on topics such as the real ID, Medicare Advantage, and other critically important health care issues in the news.
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  And boy, do we have a lot of them to talk about today?
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  So Twila, welcome back to the 10 Penny Files.
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  We were talking before we went live here, like, where did the month of March go?
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  And suddenly it's almost the month of April's over.
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  So somehow we missed each other last month.
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  So I'm so grateful that you're here now.
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  Well, I'm glad to be here, and I'm grateful that spring is like spring.
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  Springing.
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  Springing, you know.
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  For sure.
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  You know, so much is happening in healthcare on an almost on a daily basis.
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  Um, you know, so there's so we have a whole lot of things to cover and talk about today that you that your staff sent me.
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  You know, something that's becoming more widely known to the general public is the new NIH program to do full genomic testing on newborns.
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  I had uh Leia Wilson on a couple of months ago, and we talked about how this was scheduled for Florida.
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  Uh Leah Wilson is from Stanford Health Freedom to show that this was going to this program was going to start, but it sounds like from what you said, like it's really starting to roll out that you just had a recent meeting.
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  Tell us what Beacons NBS is all about and why it's so horrifying.
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  So beacons, according to them, stands for building evidence and collaboration for genomics in nationwide newborn screening.
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  Oh my gosh.
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  Just that's enough, just enough to make your heart stop.
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  Yep.
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  So there are seven states.
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  So you talked about Florida and Florida has a bill.
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  I think it's called like the sunshine or newborn screening, sunshine.
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  There's some something like that.
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  And um, so they're going to um trial genomic screening on newborns in Florida.
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  Uh, but separate from that is the beacons NBS program, and MBS is newborn screening.
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  So uh they just picked in January the seven states that they're going to do this in, and they are Iowa, Minnesota, New York, Oregon, North Carolina, Texas, and then plus Puerto Rico.
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  So actually, six states and Puerto Rico.
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  And their whole plan here is to uh test the feasibility of sequencing newborns at birth.
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  Now, that term sequencing isn't always familiar to listeners.
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  So, sequencing what it really means is going into the DNA and laying out the entire blueprint uh genetic blueprint of the child.
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  And what people and they the whole idea here is to add genomic sequencing to the current state newborn screening program.
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  Now, a lot of people when they hear newborn screening, they don't recognize that what they're really talking about here is newborn genetic testing done by the state.
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  It's considered the nation's largest population-wide genetic testing program.
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  Many parents don't even understand that it was done to their child in the fog and the uh fatigue and excitement of the birth of their new baby.
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  And then either somebody will come into their room or somebody will take the baby out of their room and prick the baby's heel and let drops of blood fall onto a card with special pay filter paper on it.
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  There used to be only one spot of filter paper, and today there's up to six spots of filter paper because they're doing more things with the newborn's uh blood.
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  And they do consider these uh spots with dry on the filter paper, right?
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  They call them dried blood spots, but they're really the DNA of the child.
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  And so this program beacons NBS.
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  The whole plan here is to see whether or not they can attach or add to this state government screening program whether they can add newborn sequencing.
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  So taking the the DNA of the child and sequencing the entire thing to get the entire genetic blueprint of the child.
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  Now, there's a caveat to that.
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  Uh, in I went to this conference, as as you said, it was about a half-a-day conference where the uh the beacons people were there, state uh researchers were there, and some parents were there.
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  And so there are interesting things that were being said, and then I asked a lot of questions as well.
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  But the interesting thing about the sequencing is that they want to test newborns for 77 conditions, pure conditions that can occur before the child turns one year old.
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  Now, today in newborn genetic testing, newborn screening, they are testing children for somewhere between 30 and 80 conditions, depending on the state.
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  Um, but sequencing, they would add 77 conditions, and like I said, many of them obscure.
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  Okay, well, there's so many more conditions that you could test for if you were to show the full sequence of the DNA.
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  So this is what I learned there is that they're going to fully sequence the DNA, fully.
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  So for every possible condition that would be possible, then they're going to blind themselves to all the findings and the conditions in the rest of the DNA that do not pertain to those 777 conditions.
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  So in essence, the baby will be fully sequenced, not partially sequenced, not sequenced only for 777 conditions, but for things like even if they have some kind of gene for Alzheimer's later in their life or cancer or the Breca gene or whatever.
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  Partially sequenced, not sequenced only for 777 conditions, but for things like even if they have some kind of gene for Alzheimer's later in their life or cancer or the BRECA gene or whatever.
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  Right.
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  Right.
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  And they're and I asked, I said, so well, then what's the expectation with the rest of it?
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  And they're and I asked, I said, so, well, then what's the expectation with the rest of it?
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  And they said, well, they they're hoping that the parents will give it to research.
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  And they said, well, they they're hoping that the parents will give it to research.
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  So here you have the state government sequencing the children, keeping a part of it, shielding themselves.
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  So here you have the state government sequencing the children, keeping a part of it, shielding themselves to the rest, and hoping that the rest of the sequence will be given to research.
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  Now, the important thing to understand about this is that they do understand, and they they told me there that it's because of our organization's work that consent is a requirement for this entire thing.
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  Um, and so it was somebody from the University of Minnesota who said, you know, it's because of all of your work on this that we, you know, we have to have consent, and it's just been instrumental to where we go.
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  Well, for some people, it's been an uh impediment to where they'd like to go, right?
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  But consent is really important.
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  Now, the real question is what kind of consent is that and when is that consent requested?
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  Is it in the fog and the fatigue immediately after labor and delivery or within those first two days?
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  Is it a month before the baby's born?
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  Is it a month after the baby's born?
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  So remember, they collect it on these cards, they keep the cards.
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  Now, different states keep it for different lengths of time.
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  So one of the states I mentioned is Minnesota.
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  So Minnesota is keeping the cards indefinitely forever.
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  And um, um, and so even if they wait for a month, so when the parents can actually think very carefully about this, do they want to take away the genetic privacy of their child before their child can even say no?
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  Or do they not?
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  Um, you know, you really want parents to think very carefully about this.
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  And so we don't know when they would ask the parents for this.
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  We don't know what the parents would be told.
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  And so I think there's more to come.
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  But for everybody who's listening to this program, particularly in those states, you should be aware of it, and as well in Florida, because Florida did pass an act allowing the genetic sequencing of newborns.
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  You know, this is so frightening because then is it predictive genomics?
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  And if it's predictive, does that mean oh, you you're pretty you've got a gene that says that you're going to get heart disease?
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  And so from an early age, your risk profile on your health insurance goes up, or for the same thing for cancer or Alzheimer's, or for something really unusual, like say Huntington's Korea that doesn't show up until you're like in your 50s, but is a pretty debilitating disease.
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  Then do they want to do that really tedious, expensive gene therapy operation?
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  And so some of these gene therapy drugs are 300,000 or more a dose.
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  And does it predict what your child is going to do?
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  And what about epigenetics?
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  You know, we we have all these genes, but you they turn on and off based on all the vaccines that they're given, the foods that they're eating, all the aluminum in their body, all the bad stuff from food additives and all that, so that whatever they get at birth may change within two months if they then get seven vaccinations, and then when they get to be seven and they start eating different.
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  What in the world are they really up to here, Twila?
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  Well, it could be that they're just trying to get the camel's nose into the genetic privacy tent, right, to get uh parents to be willing to do this.
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  I will say that um they did have a program, they paid 25 million dollars in uh 2013 for a five-year program to ask parents to sequence their children.
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  One of the programs was called Baby Seek.
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  There were four programs that came out of that.
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  And what baby seek proved, according to the researchers, is that parents, when they parents would say yes at the hospital, lots of parents would say yes, but then when they got home and they thought about it, they refused to continue.
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  So they they withdrew their yes, and they uh they didn't do this to their child.
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  And I I think you know, there are things that they may or may not be told, and I think one of the most important things is what's called the collateral damage of newborn screening.
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  So already with 30 to 80 some conditions, depending on the state.
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  I was shown in 2010 in a study done, I believe in Boston, um, that there was collateral damage of newborn screening.
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  And what they meant by this is that um when a child is screened, sometimes there'll be a false positive.
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  So the parents will get a call and say there may be something wrong with your baby, you know, like within the first two to three um weeks of the child's birth.
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  And then they will be told to go get the child re-screened.
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  Well, this has an enormous impact on the parents to get this kind of a phone call.
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  And often it comes from the health department and not their doctor, which is even more scary for them because they're like, what does the health department doing with any information about my baby?
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  Okay, well, what they have found is that oftentimes it's false positives, and so they go and they get the second test, and then the second test shoes shows that there's nothing wrong with their baby.
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  But parents don't believe it.
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  They believe the first test, which is the one that hit them in the gut and the brain when they first got the message, and they think that the second test is actually the one that's wrong.
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  And so to some percentage of people in this situation will have a have problems bonding with their child.
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  They will think their child might die in the next year or two.
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  They will change the diet of their child, and they'll keep on that diet for years beyond when this newborn condition could ever have struck the child.
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  And the child never got struck with that newborn condition, but they're still feeding the child a very restricted diet, or they're still keeping the child away from others because they think that that's going to protect the child or protect other people, or you know, whatever it is.
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  Now 777 conditions that a child could be tested for.
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  What this study showed is that the more conditions a child is tested for, the more likely of collateral damage, because the more false positives there there will be, and therefore the more phone calls that will go out, and the more people that will hear that there's something wrong with their baby, and the more, you know, and the more people that will be, you know, damaged and traumatized for a very long time by this kind of information.
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  And then more people that will be, you know, damaged and traumatized for a very long time by this kind of information.
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  So I did, I did um, I did hear there's a representative of the crab A, we'll just call it the Crab A Society.
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  So I did, I did um, I did hear there's a representative of the Crab A, we'll just call it the Crab A Society.
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  I don't think that's quite right.
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  I don't think that's quite right, but it's Crab A, which is uh K R A B B E.
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  But it's Crab A, which is uh K-R-A-B-B-E.
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  And the representative there just talked about we cannot have these calls going out to parents traumatizing them.
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  And the representative there just talked about we cannot have these calls going out to parents traumatizing them.
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  And that's exactly what she was talking about.
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  The fact that, you know, this would be the potential for even more calls to go out traumatizing parents.
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  And again, remember that most people don't even know about newborn screening, and to what degree and at what level of consent will those parents uh or what level of information will those parents be given before consent?
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  Will they even be told about collateral damage?
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  Will they even be told about the fact that we're going to sequence your child taking away their taking away their genetic privacy, putting the results in a government record, also sent to their medical record, which is permanent.
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  And I can tell you the story about a mother who called me up, uh, and she was traumatized because she had had one of these calls, and uh she was angry, and she said they called the health department called me up, and I thought, what on earth is the health department doing with any information on my baby?
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  So she didn't know.
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  She may or may not have known about the newborn screening, but she surely didn't know about the health department actually doing the test.
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  She probably just thought that the hospital did the test, right?
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  And then the health department told her, we've already scheduled an appointment with you at a geneticist at the university.
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  Wow.
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  That made her really angry.
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  She's like, what are you doing?
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  Scheduling appointments for me and my family.
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  And then she said, and then the health department said, You should come in prepared to test your whole family.
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  Oh my goodness.
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  Yep.
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  And then they go in, they find out they do the testing only of the child.
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  And then they find out that the child has a trait, a trait, the trait that's never going to harm them.
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  But it is potential that if they married somebody, right?
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  That that could end up with a child that would actually have the condition.
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  Anyway, but the mothers, the very angry mother said to me, How do I get this black mark out of my son's record?
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  I said, There's no way to get that black mark out of your son's record.
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  Are they going to tell that in their informed consent process?
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  Are they going to give these kind of scenarios to parents who are otherwise unaware?
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  They just think that the hospital is offering them something good.
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  They just think it's for public benefit and their child's benefit.
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  And like you said, I do want to add this that when they were talking, they were talking about gene editing, CRISPR, gene therapy.
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  And there was a very exciting story of a child who had gene editing at about I don't know, six or seven, or was it three months of age, whatever it was?
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  And no, I think discovered at three, and then had started having this cascade of problems.
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  And then they did the gene editing, and the child has acted normal and met all the development markers since that time.
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  It was a very exciting uh result for them to, you know, talk about.
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  But I did ask, and so are you going to talk about any of the problems?
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  Exactly.
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  And that's when the researcher said, well, there have been people who have died.
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  Oh, oh, by the way.
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  Yeah, oh, by the way, right?
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  But the real thing is to push.
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  Will this kind of data be used to pressure families into genetic editing?
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  Will it be even more reason why they could take this man and this woman and look at their newborn screening results 20 years later when they want to get married and say, oh no, you will be an expense unless you're ready to prepare to, you know, edit your um here edit your um the gene.
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  Your pre-born, your pre-born, right?
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  Or edit your baby when it comes out, right?
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  We we have no idea, but to what degree will there be informed consent.
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  But one of the things they want to know in the study is why are parents saying no, that the parents that say no, why are they saying no?
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  Yeah, that was um when I had Leah Wilson on and we were talking about this in Florida.
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  Now it may have progressed since then, but the main reason that they were setting up they were to screen 300,000 babies in Florida, and it wasn't to test to see what percentage of the population has this defect or this abnormality or whatever it is.
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  It the real reason for doing the study was to determine what percentage of mothers resisted and then analyze those to determine why, sort of like the vaccine hesitancy stuff that they did maybe 10 years ago, you know, to try to figure out what it is of why people wouldn't want this, and then market to that to get them to change their mind.
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  This is just an incredible travesty.
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  You know, I was at a at a Maha action event in it was really super cold out.
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  So I'm gonna say it was December or January, and one of the speakers on the uh on the stage was talking about how wonderful it would be to have a national database of everyone's genetics in it, that we could do gene testing, we would understand how these technologies worked, and we would have a database to do all this research.
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  He went on and on and on about it.
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  And I and I think most people sitting there listening to him were somewhere between shell-shocked and appalled, you know, like you're gonna put the DNA data database of every American into who controls that database, who handles that information?
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  Does it get sold to China?
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  And do they create things that are gonna kill people with a certain genetic profile?
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  I mean, nobody thinks about the downside of this thing.
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  You know, like your N of one child that got treated with the gene therapy and had a great result that, oh, by the way, there were a lot of people we tried this on and they died.
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  That's I mean, we're living in the insane asylum, Twila.
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  I mean, there's nobody asking any of the hard questions, nobody.
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  Well, there's so much money and there's so many agendas, right?
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  And so, you know, you can have the people who want to do it for eugenics and they never say it, right?
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  They'll never ever say it, right?
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  They're just doing it, you know, to prevent these kind of abnormal children or to change their life so they don't have to grow up uh abnormal or they don't have to die early, or you know, whatever it is.
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  But you look at what happened in um Iceland, where it's now it's not quite required, I don't think, but almost every mom has pre, what do they call it?
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  Look at what happened in um Iceland, where it's now it's not quite required, I don't think, but almost every mom has pre what do they call it?
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  Uh, prenatal testing.
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  Uh prenatal testing.
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  Um, and then there's not more than one or two Downs children that are born in that country anymore because everybody is doing the testing.
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  Um, and then there's not more than one or two Downs children that are born in that country anymore, because everybody is doing the testing.
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  And of course, as he, this guy at the conference, he said there's eugenics already with all that uh, you know.
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  And of course, as he, this guy at the conference, he said there's eugenics already with all that uh, you know, uh pre-birth testing of the babies or the uh the testing of the embryo, right?
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  To see what that is already eugenics, and I'm like, you can say what you want, but that does not make this uh a good idea, you know, to do this.
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  And I'm hopeful that the studies will show that parents are uh unhappy with this, but I also think, like here in Minnesota, so Minnesota is one of them, right?
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  Well, we are starting to alert legislators to say, you know.
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  Are you in agreement with this?
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  Just because they got you know, part of the 14.4 million dollar cachet of cash, right?
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  Does that mean that our moms and dads in this state should have this question asked to them?
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  Does it mean that they that we agree in the state of Minnesota that the government should be able to sequence the children?
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  And what's gonna happen with the data?
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  So it's just like they're doing it outside the state, getting the federal money, holding their own little conferences, right?
• 22:37
  And I don't believe there's any authority anywhere at the state level to allow them to do that.
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  And likewise, probably with the other states.
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  They just get the federal money, take it, and they don't really come to the legislators and say, well, maybe we should have some authority from all of you about this before we do it.
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  So this money's coming out of the NIH.
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  Who's who's mining the hen house at the NIH about this?
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  Oh, um, that I am not sure.
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  Of course, you know, at the top is Jay Bodicharya, but does he know?
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  It's hard to say, right?
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  I I think these kind of federal programs just go on.
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  I I can tell you a very uh funny story.
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  It'd be funny to your listeners too.
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  Very telling story.
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  Um, I was once talking to a former administrator of um of NIH, and I think, but he was also administrator of another agency.
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  And I think this came from the other agency, but it's all the way across the agencies.
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  I'm sure this is the case.
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  Yeah, he decided when he got in that he would go and meet as many people in the agencies as possible and get to know them, right?
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  To have you know, build relationships and thousands of people, right?
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  So he spent a month or two just going from uh department to department and meeting to meeting, right?
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  And at this one meeting, a woman came up to him, and he he asked, you know, who you are, and she said, and or he introduced himself and she said, I'm so-and-so from the B team.
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  He said, Oh, the B team.
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  What's that mean?
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  Where is that?
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  And she said, I be here when you're gone.
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  Right?
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  So the B team, the B team is at work.
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  Whether uh, you know, Director Jay Buddhacharya knows anything about what the B team is doing in all the different departments and agencies and uh work forces and all this kind of thing below him, that is in question.
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  But the B team will not stop just because you get a different administrator or a different president at the top.
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  And so, you know, it's really organizations like ours, it's it's truth tellers like you who let the American people know what the B team is doing when we can find out what the B team is doing.
• 24:57
  Wow.
• 24:58
  Well, sadly, that's the deep state, and that's the swamp, and that it's been there forever.
• 25:04
  And anybody that's tried to uproot it, you know, it's sort of like you pull out one weed and two more grow back in its place, you know.
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• 32:33
  Well, welcome back, everyone.
• 32:34
  Today's conversation on the 10penny files is with Twila Brays, who brings us monthly critical updates on healthcare and what's going on with health freedom.
• 32:42
  Let me just tell you just a tad bit more about Twila in case you've missed some of her previous broadcasts.
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  She is the president and co-founder of Citizens Council for Health Freedom, a patient-centered policy organization established more than 20 years ago in Minnesota to protect patient and doctor Freedom.
• 32:58
  She has so many accomplishments.
• 33:00
  We could send the rest of the show just talking about that.
• 33:03
  But one of her my favorite ones is her one of a kind Medicare How to Guide.
• 33:08
  And she's been instrumental in stopping the real ID.
• 33:12
  Her nine-time award-winning best book, Big Brother in the Bet in the Exam Room, Big Brother in the Exam Room, The Dangerous Truth About Electronic Health Records, uh, written in 2018 is more important now than ever.
• 33:25
  Twila, welcome back to the show.
• 33:27
  You know, we've spent, we we have like uh 12 more points to cover in like 20 minutes.
• 33:33
  So which where would you like to direct this conversation?
• 33:36
  Do you want to give us an update on the real ID?
• 33:39
  Um, I'm really surprised at why the um, you know, the the what is it, the the Save America Act has sort of taken a back seat since we started the Iran War.
• 33:49
  Nobody's really talking about that at this point in time.
• 33:52
  Or do you want to get into Medicare advantage and Medicare fraud and what's going on across the country with that?
• 33:58
  You pick.
• 33:59
  Where do you want to go next?
• 34:01
  I pick those two topics.
• 34:03
  I'll give you a real ID update, and then I'd love to say the new and troubling things that are happening in the Medicare program that I think everybody should know about, and everybody should be talking to their members of Congress about and by that I do mean everybody because everybody will be forced into Medicare unless we have our way here and can uh stop that.
• 34:24
  So let me just talk about real ID.
• 34:26
  Does that work?
• 34:27
  Yeah, sure, absolutely.
• 34:29
  Okay, so several things at the state level on uh real ID.
• 34:32
  Uh in Tennessee, a bill is going to the governor now for his signature, which will tell everybody in Tennessee they have to be informed that they have the right to and there is available a non-real ID license.
• 34:48
  So we um we tried to get even more than that, but we are glad for that particular bill because at least people will hear that they have another option.
• 34:59
  Whereas in South Dakota, I just want to say as in comparison, South Dakota is 99% compliant with Real ID because the DMVs, as soon as the real ID came out, they just started issuing them.
• 35:00
  South Dakota, I just want to say as in comparison, South Dakota is 99% compliant with real ID because the DMVs, as soon as the real ID came out, they just started issuing them.
• 35:11
  They never asked anybody if they wanted a regular ID.
• 35:12
  They never asked anybody if they wanted uh regular ID, but today, as people are finding out that they can have one.
• 35:15
  But today, as people are finding out that they can have one, people in South Dakota are making the decision to switch back to a state driver's license.
• 35:18
  People in South Dakota are making the decision to switch back to a state driver's license.
• 35:23
  So it's really important in uh to get these bills that allow you to know that you have an option.
• 35:23
  So it's really important in uh to get these bills that allow you to know that you have an option.
• 35:29
  And then from our
• 35:29
  And then from our organization, we tell you why it's important that you pick the non-real ID.
• 35:34
  Uh, in Arizona, there is a bill moving forward to also give you a right to protect your right to choose a non-real ID.
• 35:43
  And the reason why you don't want a real ID is because the real ID is really being set up to be the digital biometric controlled domestic passport over all of life within the United States.
• 35:56
  It's a federal ID masquerading as a state driver's license.
• 36:00
  It's under federal control, unlike the state driver's licenses, and they want to digitize it, put it on your phone and have remote access.
• 36:08
  The DMVs have testified to that in Congress.
• 36:11
  And it's being used to create a um a national facial recognition system because a biometric is required.
• 36:18
  Now, the standard state driver's license will probably also have a biometric, but that is not where the government wants to go.
• 36:24
  They want everybody in a real ID.
• 36:26
  Okay, so these are good things that are happening at the state level.
• 36:30
  But I want to talk about the Save Act, because you mentioned the Save Act.
• 36:34
  Well, wait, well, wait just one second before you go move on to that.
• 36:36
  Um, so what happens on if you if you're from Tennessee and you want to go on an airplane and you're trying to fly from California back to Tennessee, and the people in California say, well, you don't have a real ID, so you can't get on the plane.
• 36:49
  What happens with that?
• 36:51
  Well, you do have to know that you have to have whatever the TSA requires for um for getting on a plane, but even that is a little interesting because now that okay, so I'll just start with this.
• 37:03
  There are 17 TSA acceptable identification documents to get you on a plane, including your passport, a passport card, military ID, VA medical card, all sorts of cards.
• 37:17
  And um, and then there's a mobile ID option as well.
• 37:21
  Um, but the interesting thing is since February 1st, when they started their TSA confirm ID program.
• 37:31
  If it sounds like we're getting reports back that if you don't have an ID of any sort, so let's just say you lost it, it was stolen, or you just want to test the system, apparently.
• 37:42
  Um, you could pay your 45 dollars, and that would be enough to get you on the plane, and you have to pay it on the way back.
• 37:50
  So it looks like you could even fly without an ID.
• 37:53
  And as a matter of fact, all our lives you have been able to fly without an ID because people have gotten them stolen and lost them probably every day.
• 38:04
  Somebody somewhere is doing that, and they've always had a process to get you onto that plane.
• 38:09
  Wow.
• 38:10
  And you know, I remember we talked about this at one point in time, and you know, there were rules about that, like you know, you had to play it both ways, but how long were you allowed to stay in a certain place before you had to pay the fine to come back?
• 38:22
  I mean, the government, it seems as though when it comes to this, that the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing.
• 38:29
  Well, that rule is still there starting on February 1st is that the um confirm ID 20 uh sorry, 45 fee um only lasts for 10 days of travel.
• 38:42
  So if you travel for two weeks, you'll have to pay it coming and going.
• 38:46
  But if you but if you arrive at any time, a two-day trip, whatever, and you and you don't have an ID.
• 38:54
  If you have that digital, the digital um pass that you already paid it, you'll probably get through.
• 39:01
  But I don't know that anybody has tested that whether you have to pay another 45 if you don't have an ID at all, either coming or going.
• 39:08
  I think that's up for debate.
• 39:12
  Well, to be determined.
• 39:13
  So let's move on to Save the America Act, because that was such a really big deal, and Trump was threatening vetoing all this other stuff, and it seems like that's sort of been sidelined with the IRI and going on.
• 39:26
  Yep.
• 39:27
  So I think what's interesting about the Save Act is what people don't understand about it.
• 39:32
  And uh, we actually contacted the author's office to figure out what they meant when they had the first option for identification in order to register to vote as a real ID.
• 39:45
  So know this that this bill is all about registering to vote, not about voting itself.
• 39:51
  And so to register to vote, the requirement is any number of identifications.
• 39:58
  And the first one listed is called a real ID that indicates citizenship.
• 40:05
  Now most real IDs do not indicate citizenship, which is why we contacted the author's office, Chip Roy, and basically and said, What is this?
• 40:17
  And so this is this little provision here is for the people in the five states that have enhanced driver's licenses.
• 40:27
  Enhanced driver's licenses act as a passport to get you between like America and Canada, America and the Bahamas, America and Mexico, and it is really five northern states because most of that transportation is simply between Canada and America.
• 40:46
  And so those are the only ones that indicate citizenship because it acts as an actual passport.
• 40:52
  All the rest of the real IDs, you would have to bring another document in order to register to vote.
• 40:58
  You could bring your real ID, but you'd also have to bring, you know, your birth certificate, your certificate of um citizenship.
• 41:06
  There's a whole variety in the bill that give you, you know, the options that you can use.
• 41:12
  Our problem with the Save Act or marketing of the Save Act, or not, it's not even marketing.
• 41:19
  Our problem was that people were saying in order to register to vote, you'll need a real ID.
• 41:23
  And this was being used to push people into this federal ID that people want to use as a domestic federally controlled ID across the country, right?
• 41:35
  And our what we were trying to do, we put out a press release, we we put out a variety of things to let people know.
• 41:41
  The save act should not even be looked at as a reason why you should get a real ID.
• 41:46
  Registering to vote should not be a reason why you should get a real ID.
• 41:50
  You should see the real ID for what it is, and you should recognize that even in the SAVE Act, it says that a real ID is not sufficient to vote unless you have an enhanced driver's license, which is then considered a real ID in those five northern states.
• 42:00
  Unless you have an enhanced driver's license, which is then considered a real ID in those five northern states.
• 42:07
  See, I thought that the Save Act was about that you needed to show an ID when you voted.
• 42:07
  See, I thought that the SAVE Act was about that you needed to show an ID when you voted.
• 42:12
  That isn't the case, is it?
• 42:12
  That isn't the case, is it?
• 42:14
  No, it's all about registration and it's all about federal elections.
• 42:14
  No, it's all about registration and it's all about federal elections.
• 42:19
  So it's only about federal elections.
• 42:19
  So it's only about federal elections.
• 42:21
  And so initially I was concerned about the save act because I thought, well, this is the federal government, you know, breaking into elections, and some of the things that Thune was saying, and some of the things that.
• 42:21
  And so initially I was concerned about the Save that because I thought, well, this is the federal government, you know, breaking into elections, and some of the things that Thune was saying, and some things that what was his name?
• 42:32
  Uh okay, whoever he is.
• 42:34
  I can't remember which one was saying it now.
• 42:36
  Anyway, they were talking about it like the federal government should not interfere in elections.
• 42:40
  And then I read more to find out that the constitution itself allows the federal government to involve itself in federal elections to a certain extent because the founders were concerned that a state would just decide not to hold federal elections if they didn't like the presidential candidates, for instance.
• 43:00
  And so the federal government is allowed to, or that Congress is allowed to involve itself for federal elections.
• 43:08
  So if it's your county election, that's just a state election that doesn't have the president or any member of Congress, you know, there's no involvement there.
• 43:17
  So it was uh there's a lot of like nuances and caveats that a lot of people don't understand about the bill.
• 43:25
  Well, isn't that just typical of American bills and what is what the what the stuff that's stuffed in there is just terrible.
• 43:32
  Yeah, we just didn't want it used to push the real ID, which you know could really set us up for a China-like social credit system, all run by the federal government, all controlled, digitized, you know, biometrified, and then they they put your, you know, you put your money on your phone too, and it'll be just like China.
• 43:49
  It'll just shut down your bank, they'll shut down your ability to pay for anything, you know, whatever it is.
• 43:55
  That's what could happen with the real ID system.
• 43:57
  And that's why we're asking people to make the switch back to a standard state driver's license and do not let them get what they want, which is a real ID for all.
• 44:09
  That's good.
• 44:11
  Well, it's like so exasperating learning all this stuff.
• 44:15
  Another thing that I learned from your staff was this is HIPAA awareness month.
• 44:20
  Like who knew?
• 44:21
  I guess there's awareness month of everything, you know.
• 44:24
  And so, but this is a HIPAA, uh, it is this, and you have said many times HIPAA is a sieve, not a vault.
• 44:31
  You know, it's everything leaks out.
• 44:33
  So what'd you say in your book?
• 44:35
  Two two and twenty two 2.2 million people or something like that can have access to it.
• 44:40
  What are this some of the common myths about HIPAA that need to be dispelled?
• 44:46
  So to be clear, it is our HIPAA awareness month.
• 44:49
  We have yet to get the national calendar.
• 44:51
  Oh, okay.
• 44:53
  So for about five years now, we just use April as a HIPAA awareness month and talk all about the issue to try to get the American public to understand how they have been deceived and what they can do about it to protect themselves from HIPAA.
• 45:08
  And so um, and so uh because it was passed uh 23 years ago on April 14th, it becoming it wasn't passed, it became effective on April 14th, 23 years ago.
• 45:22
  So this is essentially the 23rd anniversary of this grand deliberate deception of the American people that HIPAA protects their privacy.
• 45:32
  So I think you know, when you're looking at uh the things to know about HIPAA and how it does not protect your privacy, uh things that you should understand is that the HIPAA privacy form or that statement where they ask you to acknowledge that you have received the notice of privacy practices.
• 45:51
  All of that is meant to deceive you into thinking that HIPAA protects you while HIPAA is actually considered in the industry to be a permissive data sharing rule.
• 46:04
  Uh, everybody in the industry, everybody in government understands all the data sharing that can happen underneath your nose without your consent in the background, uh, and all the ways it's being used uh by outsiders, how it's being sliced and diced and analyzed and sold and all sorts of things, right?
• 46:26
  But you, the American public don't realize that.
• 46:28
  And now that you know, you then you want to know what to do, right?
• 46:32
  And so um because HIPAA, it's a federal law.
• 46:37
  Well, HIPAA is a federal rule.
• 46:40
  Well, okay, it's a federal law, it's a health insurance portability and accountability act of 1996, HIPAA.
• 46:51
  In that big act was a tiny little section called administrative simplification, where Congress said we're going to digitize all of your data, and we promise that we will write a law within the next three years to protect your privacy because they knew as soon as they digitize your data, made it available online through cyberspace through networks that privacy was going to be a problem.
• 47:16
  But they never intended to pass a privacy law, so they let the regulators uh write the privacy, so-called privacy rule, HIPAA.
• 47:25
  They hit and out of there comes the HIPAA form.
• 47:27
  Out of there comes the notice of privacy practices, which should be called the notice of disclosure practices.
• 47:34
  Out of there comes the request for you to sign the form.
• 47:38
  Uh, we just came up and we're telling you not to sign the form.
• 47:41
  And you have a perfect right not to sign the form.
• 47:44
  And HHS on their website says, by law, you do not have to sign the form.
• 47:50
  And so we are getting people all over the country to refuse to sign the form, and we are getting clinics to do what HHS requires them to do, them to do, not you.
• 48:02
  It requires them to make a note and document that you have refused.
• 48:06
  It does not require you to pick up a pen, click a button, nothing.
• 48:10
  So even at the pharmacy when they got that little thing that just say, you know, HIPAA, I'm like, I don't do it.
• 48:15
  So then they do whatever they want to do, but I don't do it.
• 48:19
  And um, and so uh we just created a brand new document, which you can find at CCHfreedom.org at the bottom, it's called helpful handouts.
• 48:32
  Go in there and just find the refuse.
• 48:36
  Um refuse to sign HIPAA notice of privacy practices or refuse to sign HIPAA form, whatever it is, acknowledgement statement.
• 48:44
  I think that's what we call it.
• 48:45
  Refuse to sign HIPAA acknowledgement statement.
• 48:49
  It shows you the five different ways that they will ask you, including that tiny little thing with the stylus, and they just say that just sign there, and you say what is that?
• 48:57
  And they say it's HIPAA.
• 48:59
  Well, is there anything else in your life that you sign without ever seeing a word of what you are signing?
• 49:00
  Else in your life that you sign without ever seeing a word of what you are signing, don't do it.
• 49:04
  Don't do it.
• 49:05
  And then ask them for paper, and then refuse to sign.
• 49:05
  And then ask them for paper and then refuse to sign.
• 49:09
  So we uh in this wonderful uh document that we just created, we show you how to show them on your phone what HHS's website says, which is that by law, you don't have to sign and by law, they are the only ones who have to do any picking up of a pen or clicking a button.
• 49:09
  So we uh in this wonderful uh document that we just created, we show you how to show them on your phone what HHS's website says, which is that by law, you don't have to sign and by law, they are the only ones who have to do any picking up of a pen or clicking a button, saying that you refuse to sign.
• 49:32
  Uh and this is all about getting the American people to realize how they've been deceived, how they have no privacy, and why states should give them back their privacy by writing a real medical privacy law in their uh state statutes and under HIPAA, the federal law and the federal rule.
• 49:50
  If a state writes a privacy law, it supersedes HIPAA and it protects you from HIPAA.
• 49:57
  And so that's part of what we do with HIPAA awareness month.
• 49:59
  And we've got videos and we've had social media every day telling you truths and facts and myths about about HIPAA.
• 50:08
  Does HIPAA apply to insurance to the insurance industry?
• 50:13
  Does he what?
• 50:14
  Does HIPAA apply to like life insurance and things like that?
• 50:18
  Does it apply to the to the insurance industry?
• 50:21
  Yeah, so it applies to health plans because they are considered covered entities in the law.
• 50:28
  And when you said uh 2.2 million, 2.2 million entities, not people, entities can have access to your medical records without your consent if those who hold them choose to share them.
• 50:42
  So they can make the decisions on their own without asking you.
• 50:46
  And within that 2.2 million are 702,000 covered entities.
• 50:54
  Those are all the people that you expect to have your medical records: the labs, the hospitals, the clinics, X-ray facilities, all that, right?
• 51:03
  And then there are 1.5 million business associates and all the employees in there who they might decide have a right to access your identifiable information.
• 51:13
  Um, and so um so then you all the what we were talking about before the break, all this DNA testing that's supposedly covered by HIPAA.
• 51:23
  What is that actually?
• 51:24
  No, actually, the governments, that's the interesting part about it, is the governments are not a covered entity, and they're typically not a business associate.
• 51:32
  So the governments themselves are not covered under HIPAA, and of course, there is no protection under HIPAA, but the governments are not in there except that there are 12 national priority purposes in HIPAA for which data can be shared.
• 51:48
  And the public health is one of them, law enforcement, certain law enforcement, certain administrative proceedings, certain judicial review, uh organ procurement organizations can have access to your information or your loved ones' information as they're dying without your consent.
• 52:05
  I mean, there are 12 national priority purposes like that, which give the government and others access, even though they're not a covered entity or a business associate.
• 52:17
  Who writes these things?
• 52:19
  Who puts, I mean, you know, every time I talk to you and we talk about things like this, like the massive amount of fraud, the massive amount of of lack of protection for the people.
• 52:30
  I mean, who dreams up these things and puts these things in place?
• 52:35
  Well, you know, if people choose to get my book, uh Big Brother in the Exam Room, I uh uh according to uh somebody at the Minnesota legislature whose job is all data, who doesn't necessarily isn't necessarily on our side with where we want to bring privacy back, but uh he said it's the best history of how it happened, and so there's an actual group called the work work group weedy work group on electronic data interchange, and they worked hard long and hard, even to do something like to get into George W.
• 53:10
  Bush's um State of the Union address, one sentence that said they were moving to electronic health records.
• 53:19
  Um they worked long and hard on that.
• 53:22
  And so this is the data industry.
• 53:25
  This is the healthcare industry, these are government officials who want your data and they want to have access to your data, they want to share your data, they want to use your data.
• 53:34
  These are the researchers, these are everybody who can stand to benefit off of the gold mine that your data is because your data in that medical record, and now the electronic health record has lots more than the paper record ever had.
• 53:49
  Um, it includes you could they can link it to your family, they can look at one doctor and all the patients that that doctor effort took care of, and they can tell the doctor you can't do XYZ anymore.
• 54:00
  Oh, we saw that you gave 10 ivermectin prescriptions.
• 54:04
  Now we know that about you, right?
• 54:06
  I mean, these are the things that they can do with our data.
• 54:10
  And so these are all the people who wanted to have access, and it was the department who wrote the regulation, the HIPAA rule.
• 54:19
  But of course, they had lots of input from those who wanted it to be to take away your consent rather than giving you any power over it.
• 54:28
  So which department wrote it?
• 54:30
  You said it's in the department that wrote it.
• 54:31
  US Department of Health and Human Services, and it was uh Secretary Donna Shalela during Clinton.
• 54:38
  Yeah, well, that's who wrote that recommendation.
• 54:40
  That described that explains everything just by knowing that she was behind it.
• 54:44
  And you guys really should get this book, big brother in the in the exam room because it really is like eye popping.
• 54:50
  And like I said in the introduction, it was it's gotten 18 awards and it's um eight awards and was written in 2018, right?
• 55:00
  And it's more important now than ever.
• 55:02
  And I would say the last oh, just glancing through there about the last hundred pages is footnotes and references.
• 55:09
  And so you can find this in our bookstore where we put all of our authors in there that at bookstore.dr10penny.com, which is bookstore.dr10pany.com.
• 55:18
  We'll make sure that it's in there because everybody should have one of these because it's the it's it's actually a really good read, but it's also a reference manual.
• 55:27
  It's something that you will refer back to over and over and over again because of all the great things that are in here.
• 55:34
  Well, Twilight, we got about one minute left in our time today.
• 55:37
  We could talk for hours, as you know.
• 55:39
  What would you like to leave us with here today?
• 55:42
  Um, I guess uh I guess what I would say is I'd love to talk to you next time about what's happening in Medicare, but I will say that if you get the book, it is a reference book, but the judges, the judges wrote comments when they gave us gave me the awards.
• 55:58
  And one of the things were they just couldn't believe it.
• 56:00
  Just couldn't believe it.
• 56:01
  They just couldn't believe what they were reading.
• 56:01
  They just couldn't believe what they were reading.
• 56:03
  They just they had no idea.
• 56:03
  They just they had no idea.
• 56:05
  And so I think you know, if you can get the award, you can even share it with your doctor.
• 56:05
  And so I think you know, if you can get the award, you can even share it with your doctor, you know, you can share it with others, you can buy a copy for your doctor.
• 56:09
  You know, you can share it with others.
• 56:11
  You can buy a copy for your doctor.
• 56:13
  If you've got a great doctor, ask them to put it in their waiting room.
• 56:13
  If you've got a great doctor, ask them to put it in their waiting room.
• 56:17
  So I guess I would encourage you to do that.
• 56:17
  So I guess I would encourage you to do that.
• 56:19
  I thank you for giving me the opportunity to talk about it.
• 56:19
  I thank you for giving me the opportunity to talk about it.
• 56:21
  Um, and then you can find more information out about what we're doing at CCHfreedom.org.
• 56:21
  Um, and then you can find more information out about what we're doing at cchfreedom.org.
• 56:28
  Absolutely.
• 56:28
  Absolutely.
• 56:29
  Well.
• 56:29
  Well, we're absolutely going to have you back again in May because we absolutely messed up by not having you here in March because there's just so many things to talk about we didn't even get covered.
• 56:39
  So, Twila, thank you so much.
• 56:41
  Thank you for your friendship, thank you for your hard work, thank you for your dedication to America.
• 56:45
  It really means a lot to all of us.
• 56:47
  And so, with that, we're going to close out for today and thank everybody who's been here today listening to us, and everybody who's going to be here the next time on the 10penny files.
• 56:56
  Thank you so much, everybody.
• 56:57
  Have a great afternoon.
• 56:58
  Goodbye, and God bless.