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Elevate Ep 58: Leading with a Scout’s Honor - John Cary, CEO of Crossroads of America Council · Elevate Podcast: Powered by Braden

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  Welcome to the Elevate podcast, where
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  every leader has a story. We bring you
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  conversations with influential leaders
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  who are shaping our local communities.
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  Hear about their path to leadership and
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  experiences that define them and how
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  they're driving meaningful impact today.
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  Hey everybody, Jason here with another
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  episode of the Elevate Powered by Braden
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  podcast. And these episodes are
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  terrific. We've been having
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  conversations with people all over the
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  state of Indiana, also around the
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  Chicagoland area, both for-profit and
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  nonprofit. Uh, this one happens to be a
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  really cool nonprofit that's a larger
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  nonprofit, uh, but really kind of unique
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  here in central Indiana. And I had an
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  opportunity not only to to meet John,
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  but also to visit one of the camps.
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  Super cool place. But John, welcome to
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  the show.
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  >> Thank you, Jason. It's a pleasure to be
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  here. I'm actually humbled that somehow
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  I was considered to be a part of this
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  group. Yeah,
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  >> you have a a wonderful lineup of past
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  guests, by the way.
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  >> Appreciate that, for sure. So, before we
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  go back and talk a little bit about your
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  story, let's let everybody know kind of
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  what your role is today and and which
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  council you're in charge of.
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  >> Sure. So, I'm the CEO of Crossroads of
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  America Council, Scout Council, and it's
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  part of uh Scouting America, formerly
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  known as Boy Scouts. We changed that
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  back in February. Uh we cover 26
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  counties in central Indiana, literally
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  from one line to the other line of the
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  state.
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  >> And so I'm on the road a lot. Uh we
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  serve just over by about 10,000 uh
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  scouts and another four or 5,000
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  registered adult leaders. So these are
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  the people who actually give their time
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  week day week out uh weekends and
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  everything. I mean scatting, helping. So
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  uh very blessed to be here in central in
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  central Indiana. Uh before that, of
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  course, I was up in uh South Bend for
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  eight years doing the same thing.
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  >> Sure. Well, well, we'll get there. So,
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  we know we know that's where you are
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  today, but you didn't start there.
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  >> No.
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  >> So, what's your genesis? Where you from
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  originally?
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  >> So, I am proud to say I'm from uh
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  Louisville, Kentucky.
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  >> Okay.
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  >> I'm a Kentucky boy and uh uh born and
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  raised there and uh grew up uh in a town
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  called St. Matthews and uh went from you
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  know of course went to high school and
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  and went on to college and went to the
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  University of Louisville.
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  >> So just wanted to say hometown. What
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  were you planning to study?
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  >> Well you know uh I looked at a lot of
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  colleges. I was fortunate to maybe have
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  some opportunities but at the end of the
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  day it came down to college basketball
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  >> and my love for the Cardinals. I hate to
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  say it. Best part what drove me more
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  than anything is that I wanted to be at
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  the home of the of the Louisville
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  Cardinals. No kidding.
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  >> Yeah, I know, right? People look at
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  degrees, they look at, you know, what I
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  want to be in my future. I I wasn't even
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  thinking about that, you know, being a
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  first, uh, person in my family even go
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  to college, let alone graduate. So, I
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  was thinking more where would be fun.
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  >> Yeah, sure. Right.
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  >> So, uh, University of Louisville, I was
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  a Cardinal fan, so that's what we chose.
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  >> All right. So, what were you studying
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  there?
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  >> So, I did a double major. Um, that's
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  actually funny itself because that was
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  purely accidental. uh I was uh actually
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  studying with to be uh going to
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  political science and at the time um not
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  having good advising I was doubling up
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  to a communications degree and didn't
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  even realize that I was taking core
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  classes in communications thinking they
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  were electives and so no son doubling up
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  in this major or or in these two degrees
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  and uh and I think it was my junior year
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  the filing someone said well you know
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  you need a few more degree uh classes
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  says have both degrees. I said both
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  degrees in what
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  I got poly saw. What's the other one?
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  Communications. Well, so I end up
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  getting two degrees. No kidding.
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  >> And uh just with just doing it, right?
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  And and maintain a decent GPA on top of
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  it. But finished the double major and
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  then another just how life works. Um I
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  wasn't sure what I wanted to do after I
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  graduated. And so someone said, "Well,
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  why don't you run for student body
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  president?" Well, that means I've got to
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  go back to school. So, I applied for a
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  mast's in uh in public administration
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  and of course got in
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  >> and then I ran for uh student body
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  president and I won.
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  >> No kidding.
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  >> So, now here I am doing my masters and
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  then doing uh the SGAA, student
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  government association and uh yeah, so
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  then getting a masters that way.
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  >> All right. So, you end up getting your
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  masters all all there at Louisville,
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  become student uh body president. When
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  you leave the university,
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  >> what is it you think you're going to do
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  like with those with your masters and
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  those couple of degrees? Where did you
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  think your career was going to take you
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  to?
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  >> Well, so I'm going to date myself. Uh
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  we're talking 99 now, finishing my
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  masters. Uh actually going to the spring
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  of 2000, I need to one class, but
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  basically that's the time frame. So
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  during this period of uh of my M's
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  program, I have done multiple
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  internships. I've been the student body
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  president at the University of
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  Louisville. I've actually interned in
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  Washington DC. Um
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  >> Oh, no kidding. See, so the interns I'm
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  curious about those internships because
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  it's always interesting to see what that
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  foreshadows. So the different
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  internships were they you mentioned DC.
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  Were the other ones outside of
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  Louisville as well? No, only uh went
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  went outside of Louisville to Washington
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  DC uh where I did an internship there
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  with a congressman and phenomenal
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  experience there. Uh it was just great.
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  Uh saw a lot of people when I was there.
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  But then I did most my internships in
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  the city. I worked for Brown Foreman
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  which was uh of course the uh the
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  bourbon industry company that makes like
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  Brown uh Whiffer Reserve, Jack Daniels,
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  things like that. All right. I was in
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  the labor so my masters in labor
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  relations. uh that was the track and so
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  I thought I was going to do something in
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  in that world and so I again here I'm
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  graduated with a masters I have all
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  these internships I have this background
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  I thought I'm going to get a job
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  anywhere
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  >> well no that was not the case uh so long
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  story short um I'm you know just
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  flooding the market uh with my resume
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  and finally uh I have a fraternity
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  brother
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  >> he's working he works with the Boy
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  Scouts in Louisville and he well we you
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  know we're hiring
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  I said, "Well, I never was a boy scout.
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  I mean, I know at a time when not and
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  that's on my shoe." And uh he goes, "Oh,
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  that's not necessary. You know, you've
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  done all these things. You've worked,
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  you know, I've always enjoyed I'll say
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  that that's probably what I realized I
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  really enjoyed working with people."
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  That would be that would probably be the
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  very core of what would drive me in my
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  current career.
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  >> But he said, "You you know, you work
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  with volunteers, you've had that
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  experience, you ought to apply." So, I
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  did. And that was in January 2000 and I
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  got the job.
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  >> Oh, no kidding. Yeah. So, but not a boy
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  scout coming in cold. Yeah. Which by the
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  way, I I often think it boy scouts aside
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  or or scouting aside, you're coming into
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  a new role without any real prior
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  knowledge, but having the willingness to
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  learn, adapt, change, all those kind of
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  things. You come in sometimes asking
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  good questions, which is like why why do
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  we do these things? And it's a fresh set
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  of eyes. And so, all right. So you're
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  coming in, it's 2000, brand new job, but
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  what's the first role with the scouts?
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  >> So when you start off in scouting,
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  traditionally you're you're called
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  what's called a district executive, and
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  that means that you're basically
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  assigned to a geographic territory of
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  that scout office. So mine literally was
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  mostly uh Louisville
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  >> uh and and another adjoining county. And
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  but your your role is just to support
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  volunteers uh to start new programs, get
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  out into the communities that you serve
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  and some fundraising that goes with it.
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  Uh which would also I would learn very
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  quickly. That was something I thoroughly
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  enjoy was fundraising and found out I
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  had a niche for it. And so, you know,
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  you just kind of do all those things and
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  and then you get opportunity to advance
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  your career. You strive for another
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  opportunity, you know, you get it so on.
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  So my first 12 years in Louisville, I
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  think I had like four different
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  advancements internally.
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  >> Okay.
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  >> And then moved on.
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  >> So I'm curious in that role, right?
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  Because it's a little bit different than
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  some others. So 12 years there, are you
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  also doing some activities as an adult
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  along with the youth in the programs? So
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  are there I'm just curious as as someone
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  who works for the scouts, are you
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  getting as opposed to just looking at it
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  from a business perspective, do you
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  actually get a chance to do some things
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  and how does that work?
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  >> So I think that's probably some of the
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  misconceptions when people who actually
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  were scouts or eco scouts and they want
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  to come work for the scouts, you know,
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  they think of it more from a
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  programmatic standpoint or their
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  experiences, but it's, you know, scouts
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  is a business.
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  >> You guys got to run a business, right?
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  It's a business. Um, you have budgets,
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  you have uh financial requirements, you
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  have goals,
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  >> you know, uh, our goals as an entry-
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  level executive is growing your
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  territory.
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  >> Provide more opportunities for uh, young
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  people to join, whether it's in a Cub
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  Scout program or Boy Scout program,
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  which scouts BSA now. Um, but then you
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  got to recruit the volunteers, you got
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  to train them, you got to support them.
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  uh there's a lot of that what I call the
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  core business aspect of it and frankly I
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  think it's great um you really learn
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  very quickly the importance of budgeting
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  u time management y
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  >> goal setting uh communications and
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  that's probably very critical very key
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  is how you're able to communicate right
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  >> with all walks of life
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  >> yeah because you I mean you talked about
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  you mentioned just here like in central
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  Indiana 10,000 scouts 4,000 you know uh
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  adults that are helping as volunteers.
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  It's a huge community. Communication's
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  key.
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  >> It is.
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  >> Right. And that that reason I asked that
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  question was I think a lot of people
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  believe that, you know, you're in the
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  daytoday of teaching someone how to put
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  up a tent or or or or make a fire or
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  those types of skills. All those skills
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  are getting taught, but a lot of times
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  it's being done by volunteers and folks
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  that are out there. And so the role is
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  really communication, team building.
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  It's building a business. This is
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  traditional business 101. You did also
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  mention he liked doing fundraising. I
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  did. So that was good. Yeah, right.
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  Because ultimately that's part of
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  growing it as well. You've got to be
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  able to bring funds in to be able to
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  support it.
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  >> Right. I'm laughing, Jason, because I
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  was just thinking if the job required my
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  ability to teach program like how to put
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  up a tin or buy, I wouldn't have lasted
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  a month, right? I mean, you know, they
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  thank you, but no, thank you, John. Uh,
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  so and that's the, you know, that's the
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  point, Brian.
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  >> Sure. Right. That's not really from the
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  business stand uh standpoint of the
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  operation is that you got to know how to
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  run a business and they teach you I
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  think at a very early part of your
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  career. You're you're kind of learning
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  this over multiple years. You're just
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  building upon those skill sets.
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  >> Yeah. What a great opportunity. So,
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  okay. So, right out of college, 12
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  years, you finish up in Louisville.
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  Where's the journey go next?
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  >> So, um interesting. Uh, I actually left
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  the scouts in 20 just shy of 2012 and
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  uh, I had an opportunity to lead a
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  commercial construction trade
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  association, the largest one in
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  Kentucky. It's called the Builder
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  Exchange of Kentucky, headquartered in
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  Louisville.
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  >> Now, how does one leap from Boy Scouts
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  to commercial construction? I don't
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  know, right? Uh, all I know is that the
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  head hunter who I knew said that that
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  board was looking for a boy scout their
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  organization. And he goes, "Well, I know
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  a boy scout." And so when he brought
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  that my attention, I remember just
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  laughing. I scout my you need to know
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  how to learn how to work with people in
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  budgeting. That's what they're looking
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  for. Sure.
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  >> So I interviewed and guess what? I got
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  the job.
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  >> And so I did that for two years. So from
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  2012 to basically end of 2013. And but
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  the beginning of 2013, in fact, it was
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  that summer, I remembered looking out my
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  window and I see these couple young
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  guys. I mean, it couldn't have been had
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  to be in, you know, elementary school
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  age, you know, like fourth, fifth grade
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  or something like that. And it was
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  during the summer. I'm thinking, why are
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  they not in scouts? That was the first
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  thing that came to mind. I've already
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  been to builders exchange for almost two
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  years. And that's when the bug just hit
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  me. And I started realizing, you know, I
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  know where I need to be.
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  >> Yep. So with through prayer and
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  discernment and long conversations with
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  my wife and at the time he had a
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  one-year-old
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  um an opportunity a friend of mine who
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  worked for the scouts in Maine.
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  >> Okay.
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  >> In Portland, Maine calls me up. He goes,
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  "Hey, I'm creating a position. I need a
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  strong number two. Would you consider
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  it?" And again, through all that leap of
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  faith from Louisville, Kentucky to
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  Portland, Maine.
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  >> So pack pack up the bags. Let's head to
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  Maine. You've got a one-year-old now.
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  >> Yes.
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  >> Okay. All right. All right. So, now
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  you're traveling cross country,
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  Portland, Maine, and now you're in that
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  territory and you're the number, you
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  mentioned the
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  >> number two chief operating officer.
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  Okay.
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  >> All right. So, how does that role go and
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  what are you guys doing up there?
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  >> So, same thing, right? It goes back to
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  the original point of stating is that,
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  you know, the business of scouting. Um,
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  that was a scout office that uh needed
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  um some operational adjustments. That's
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  the best way I'd put it. Okay.
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  >> Uh it was off track. We need to put it
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  back on track.
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  >> Yeah. And a lot of do had to do with
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  fundraising and budgeting. And by that
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  time, you know, I've been in the scouts
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  for 12 years as a professional or prior
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  and and even in my bills exchange days,
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  you know, I was learning that I had
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  this,
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  I guess, skill set, if you will, of how
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  to manage money, budgets. And so that
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  was just something that I had acrewed
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  over my time there in Louisville.
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  >> So we're up in Maine. Um basically it
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  was to get the financial picture in line
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  again and then again providing
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  opportunities for kids to join scouts.
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  >> Sure.
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  >> So I had a team um now Portland Main was
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  obviously smaller than Louisville
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  because of you know the city size.
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  >> Uh but I had like a team of four or five
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  people and you know and then we had some
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  other fundraisers and we kind of put a
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  new plan together and okay implemented
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  the plan.
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  >> All right. So you get that place now
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  back in the line and it sounds like
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  you're able to do that from an
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  operational perspective. How does the
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  journey from the number two in Portland,
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  how do you end up here in Indianapolis
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  as the CEO? What's that look like?
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  >> Well, had another stop. Uh so in fact,
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  we had a few more stops. So, you know,
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  two years in Portland, Maine, and then I
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  was given an opportunity to be the chief
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  operating officer of Baltimore,
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  Maryland.
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  >> Okay. Uh, you know, so to give you an
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  idea, there's like 4,000 scouts, I
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  think, in in Maine at the time. Uh,
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  Baltimore had like 12,000.
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  >> Oh, wow.
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  >> Yeah. So, you huge leap. Uh, and I go in
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  there as the uh chief operating officer
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  as well. And
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  Baltimore, which was just fantastic uh
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  place to live, it was already kind of in
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  a good spot. So, we really had to just
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  take it from where it was and take it to
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  another level of opportunities, you
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  know, fundraising. Uh, the the finances
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  were fine. I don't have a full if that
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  as much. Uh but this opportunities to
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  expand our uh growth in scouting
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  >> and then also we decided to invest back
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  into our properties. So I was able to
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  take on some of those responsibilities
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  as well and just kind of add to my
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  experiences that I was acrewing over my
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  career. Um interesting story. I
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  interviewed the day of the Freddy Gay uh
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  riots that were happening.
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  >> No kidding. So my wife and I are in
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  Portland, name watching Fox News, CNN,
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  ABC, CBS, all these, and you see
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  Baltimore, if you remember this, just
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  really bad.
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  >> Oh, yeah.
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  >> And so, you know, I'm looking at my
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  one-year-old or now actually my one and
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  a halfyear-old daughter, and you do
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  really want to go down there during the
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  riots. And long story short, you know,
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  again, through prayer and discernment,
• 15:55
  uh, you know, Mary, my wife, made the
• 15:57
  statement, you know, the day that we're
• 15:59
  supposed to leave, you know, the scout
• 16:01
  executive, hey, you coming down? Because
• 16:02
  he knew there was some concern.
• 16:05
  >> And it was decided, you know what, we
• 16:07
  need to do this. We need to go down
• 16:09
  there and be a part of the solution. So,
• 16:11
  we go down there and, you know,
• 16:13
  amazingly, you didn't see anything.
• 16:16
  >> It was targeted in a very specific area.
• 16:18
  And although very impactful what
• 16:20
  happened, um it it wasn't the citywide
• 16:25
  of the
• 16:25
  >> Yeah. Sure. Right.
• 16:26
  >> So, uh we went in, interviewed, got the
• 16:29
  job, and again, the people were just
• 16:31
  wonderful. I mean, everybody, uh and
• 16:34
  you're talking about a very diverse
• 16:36
  because we're talking about Baltimore.
• 16:37
  >> Yeah, of course. You have a lot of
• 16:38
  diversity. Um not just what I call your
• 16:41
  racial diversity, uh but I'm talking
• 16:43
  about international diversity of course.
• 16:45
  >> Yeah. You know, my daughter's first
• 16:47
  experience was meeting kids from various
• 16:49
  countries in her school. She went to a
• 16:50
  public school.
• 16:51
  >> Yeah.
• 16:51
  >> It was wonderful. The people were
• 16:54
  wonderful. And so, we had a great three
• 16:56
  years in Baltimore. And then I got an
• 16:58
  opportunity to interview to be the CEO
• 17:00
  of Southman, Indiana.
• 17:02
  >> So, here we are now. And of course,
• 17:04
  interviewed, got the job, and I always
• 17:06
  said that I wore the Notre Dame colored
• 17:08
  tie, and it gave me the edge.
• 17:10
  >> Gave me the edge.
• 17:10
  >> And being Catholic probably didn't hurt
• 17:12
  either.
• 17:14
  Uh but you know interviewed, got the job
• 17:17
  and became a scout executive in South
• 17:20
  Bend, which is northern Indiana.
• 17:22
  >> And what was interesting, um that was
• 17:24
  also a scout council that unfortunately
• 17:27
  had some operational deficiencies. Um
• 17:29
  mostly money.
• 17:30
  >> Yep.
• 17:31
  >> Uh and so I came in and working with the
• 17:33
  team created a new plan. Most
• 17:35
  importantly working with wonderful
• 17:38
  volunteers are in Indiana. And you know,
• 17:41
  and that of course I was in 2018. So
• 17:43
  what happens in 2020,
• 17:45
  >> right?
• 17:45
  >> You know, two big things happened. COVID
• 17:48
  happened
• 17:48
  >> and then the national bankruptcy and
• 17:50
  scandal.
• 17:51
  >> That's right.
• 17:52
  >> Which, you know, that's something I'll
• 17:53
  never shy away from. We need to own it
• 17:54
  and we have I'm very proud of the
• 17:56
  organization and from the standpoint
• 17:58
  we've never shied away from that
• 18:00
  responsibility.
• 18:01
  >> Um, and I think it's important that we
• 18:03
  acknowledge what happened.
• 18:04
  >> Sure. Absolutely. All right. So you're
• 18:06
  now up in South Bend, first time as a
• 18:08
  CEO. You're
• 18:10
  of scouts, right? So CEO now of that
• 18:13
  organization had been COO before coming
• 18:16
  now down to Indianapolis, right? One of
• 18:19
  the things I think that is interesting,
• 18:21
  you mentioned 10,000 scouts from state
• 18:24
  line to state line, basically right in
• 18:25
  the central part of of Indiana and 4,000
• 18:28
  volunteers.
• 18:30
  >> I I don't know that people have an idea
• 18:32
  of what, you know, scouts looks like
• 18:34
  today, right? They maybe remember things
• 18:35
  from when they were in school or sure
• 18:38
  different things, but it'd be great to
• 18:39
  learn more just about what does that
• 18:41
  look like?
• 18:42
  >> Uh what's the oper what's the operation
• 18:44
  look like? Those types of things. What
• 18:46
  are the kids doing? How are their
• 18:47
  parents and leaders getting involved? It
• 18:49
  just be great to understand more about
• 18:51
  scouts. Well, you know, um something
• 18:53
  that was shared with me, uh actually my
• 18:55
  time in South Ben is that scouting, we
• 18:58
  had evolved, um a lot since even 2019
• 19:02
  when young ladies now could join Boy
• 19:05
  Scouts of America.
• 19:06
  >> And when was that? That was 20 when?
• 19:08
  >> 2019. It's like it was just yesterday,
• 19:10
  by the way.
• 19:11
  >> Well, so we have two key dates here.
• 19:12
  2019, uh uh young ladies in grades
• 19:16
  kindergarten through fifth grade could
• 19:18
  join Cub Scouts.
• 19:19
  >> Okay? And so they could be part of what
• 19:21
  was called the family scouting program
• 19:23
  at the Cub Scout level. And then in
• 19:26
  2020, which is everything else was going
• 19:28
  on, we opened it up to the older
• 19:31
  programs. So young ladies could joined
• 19:34
  at the hung called Boy Scouts.
• 19:35
  >> Yep.
• 19:35
  >> Now called Scouts BSA. But basically at
• 19:38
  sixth grade through 12th grade.
• 19:39
  >> Gotcha. So in 2020, young leaders now
• 19:42
  can join a troop and start earning the
• 19:44
  exact same mayor badges, doing the exact
• 19:46
  same thing as young men were doing in
• 19:49
  becoming an Eagle Scout if they choose
• 19:51
  to do so.
• 19:52
  >> Um the biggest thing we always have to
• 19:54
  clarify is that we're not co-ed and and
• 19:56
  at least not at the older scout program,
• 19:58
  >> right? Sure.
• 19:59
  >> Um like my daughters and scouts, girls
• 20:02
  are in troops with their own leaders.
• 20:04
  They meet at their own location and
• 20:05
  times. Boys are in their troops with
• 20:07
  their leaders. They meet at their own
• 20:09
  location and times and they're doing the
• 20:11
  same program.
• 20:12
  >> The only time you really see uh cross
• 20:16
  mixture of the boys and girls coming
• 20:18
  together doing program, it's like summer
• 20:20
  camp. Like right now we have summer camp
• 20:23
  going on. Seven weeks, 2500 plus scouts
• 20:26
  over seven weeks.
• 20:27
  >> Wow.
• 20:28
  >> Uh yeah. And uh but the girls are in a
• 20:32
  scout troop in a campsite just like the
• 20:34
  boys are.
• 20:35
  >> Yep.
• 20:35
  >> But during the day they're mixing it up.
• 20:37
  of course thing Mar badges you know the
• 20:40
  horseback riding the aquatics uh
• 20:42
  shooting marit badge whatever cooking
• 20:45
  marb badge it's all of it dining hall
• 20:46
  when they have their meals they're all
• 20:48
  coming in together and then they go back
• 20:50
  out you know in the evenings in their
• 20:52
  campsite
• 20:53
  >> sure they're in their own crew yeah of
• 20:55
  course so so separate and then obviously
• 20:58
  having some fun together just like you
• 20:59
  should at any other summer camp
• 21:01
  >> yeah how great is it that the the young
• 21:03
  ladies get an opportunity during the
• 21:05
  same badges right
• 21:06
  >> I think That's awesome.
• 21:07
  >> As a dad with one child who's a sure
• 21:09
  who's in scouts and and I'll say I can
• 21:13
  speak as a dad, not just as a
• 21:14
  professional, I have seen how scouting
• 21:17
  has had a positive impact on my daughter
• 21:19
  as you've had because I mean think about
• 21:20
  it. The one consistent my daughter at
• 21:22
  least is either her mom or dad or
• 21:25
  scouts.
• 21:25
  >> Yep.
• 21:26
  >> Kentucky, Maine, Baltimore, Maryland,
• 21:27
  South Bend, and out here. And it's like
• 21:29
  a family everywhere you go. And I think
• 21:32
  that's probably the biggest takeaway
• 21:33
  that I really love to share is that no
• 21:35
  matter wherever we have lived and worked
• 21:37
  in that community, it's the same type of
• 21:40
  people.
• 21:40
  >> That's right.
• 21:40
  >> It really is.
• 21:41
  >> Yeah.
• 21:42
  >> And I think that to me is very
• 21:44
  refreshing in a day when you you don't
• 21:46
  hear that.
• 21:46
  >> That's right. You can separate us by
• 21:48
  distance, but in general, we're all the
• 21:50
  same type of people
• 21:51
  >> in in those organizations. We all kind
• 21:53
  of come together and it's whether it's
• 21:56
  Portland, Maine or Washington DC or
• 21:57
  South Bend, we're all pretty similar.
• 21:59
  >> We are.
• 22:00
  >> So It's terrific to hear. So, how old is
• 22:02
  your daughter?
• 22:03
  >> So, she will be 15. Oh, no. She is 15.
• 22:05
  She'll be 16. Excuse me.
• 22:07
  >> Okay. All right. So, is she on the path
• 22:08
  to go towards Eagle Scout or
• 22:10
  >> I'm very proud of her. Of course, I
• 22:11
  don't want to say too much. Uh but she
• 22:14
  is on on track. I think she'll she'll
• 22:16
  get there. She's focused. Uh my
• 22:18
  daughter's extremely focused individual.
• 22:21
  Uh and I say that lovingly. Uh but she
• 22:24
  is and I think she'll be there.
• 22:26
  >> That's awesome.
• 22:26
  >> That's a goal she wants.
• 22:27
  >> That's terrific. So when you and I
• 22:29
  talked, one thing I knew the Eagle Scout
• 22:31
  award, but you had mentioned that there
• 22:33
  was another award that people get
• 22:35
  towards the end of their scouting
• 22:36
  careers. Is there something that they
• 22:38
  also get outside of Eagle Scout?
• 22:40
  >> Uh, no, not for youth. As an adult, you
• 22:44
  can earn what's called the National
• 22:46
  Outstanding Eagle Scout Award.
• 22:48
  >> Okay. I thought I Okay.
• 22:49
  >> Yeah. So, no, Eagle Scout is the highest
• 22:51
  rank you can earn in scouting before you
• 22:53
  turn 18.
• 22:54
  >> Okay.
• 22:55
  >> Then when you turn 18, that that's it.
• 22:57
  >> Gotcha. Uh but then once you're an Eagle
• 22:59
  Scout, if you had distinguished yourself
• 23:02
  um in your profession and your community
• 23:05
  involvement, a national scouting can
• 23:08
  award you uh what's called the National
• 23:10
  Outstanding Eagle Scout Award. And then
• 23:12
  on top of that, there is the
• 23:14
  Distinguished Eagle Scout Award, and
• 23:16
  that's extremely hard to get.
• 23:18
  >> Okay.
• 23:18
  >> Very, very challenging uh to get to that
• 23:21
  distinguished eagle.
• 23:22
  >> That's what it was. I remember there was
• 23:24
  something else there. And I know when
• 23:25
  before you and I talked, we talked a
• 23:26
  little bit about just, you know, being a
• 23:29
  nonprofit, how you guys are working, and
• 23:31
  I know you enjoy the fundraising portion
• 23:33
  of it. I am going to ask this because I
• 23:35
  want you to share it. I want I want the
• 23:37
  community to know how they can get
• 23:39
  involved. So, are there some
• 23:40
  opportunities for folks? Is it maybe can
• 23:42
  they volunteer? Are there things coming
• 23:45
  up where they can come in and support to
• 23:47
  be able to help these young men and
• 23:48
  young women be able to continue to go
• 23:50
  through these programs?
• 23:51
  >> Absolutely. And you know, again,
• 23:53
  scouting, we are a youth
• 23:57
  adult driven organization.
• 23:59
  >> We do not exist without adults. And
• 24:03
  that's just a fact. Like I said, there's
• 24:06
  12 executives that serve 26 counties in
• 24:10
  10,000 scouts and 4,000 adults. 12
• 24:15
  people can't do that,
• 24:16
  >> right? Of course.
• 24:16
  >> So, it has to be the 4,000, right? Yep.
• 24:19
  >> And that's across the country. You know,
• 24:21
  every scout office, and there's 230
• 24:23
  somewhat scout offices across the
• 24:25
  country, well, we all have to rely on
• 24:28
  the community of adults, whether it's
• 24:30
  the scout master, the cubmaster, the den
• 24:32
  leaders, uh whether it's a board of
• 24:35
  directors, uh whether it's a chair, a
• 24:38
  special event, whether it's a
• 24:39
  fundraising event, or maybe it's putting
• 24:41
  on a Pinewood Derby, you know, the
• 24:43
  racing cars, right? It's all volunteer
• 24:45
  driven. Y
• 24:46
  >> and Jason that is and if you remember at
• 24:48
  the very beginning of the conversation I
• 24:50
  mentioned that I was learning that I
• 24:51
  really kind of enjoy working with people
• 24:53
  >> that would literally define my uh
• 24:57
  direction my career and and frankly my
• 25:00
  passion
• 25:01
  >> I love working with people. I love being
• 25:03
  I mean I'm right here with you.
• 25:04
  >> That's right.
• 25:04
  >> I mean I get to do this. This is pretty
• 25:06
  cool for me.
• 25:07
  >> Absolutely.
• 25:07
  >> So you know here I am get to spend time
• 25:10
  with you and this is my job.
• 25:13
  >> That's right. I mean this is awesome.
• 25:15
  Yeah. So I get to do that and I've done
• 25:17
  this in four other or three other
• 25:18
  states, four other cities and the
• 25:21
  experiences I just gain in the in the
• 25:24
  not just professional growth but my
• 25:25
  personal growth.
• 25:26
  >> Sure.
• 25:27
  >> Um my faith I know it's stronger because
• 25:30
  of this
• 25:32
  >> and uh you know you you referenced you
• 25:34
  uh you get to put it pick a book.
• 25:36
  Absolutely.
• 25:37
  >> Comes here and you know and and I'm
• 25:39
  telling you I'll say it. I'm Catholic,
• 25:41
  but I chose the King James Bible as I I
• 25:44
  was raised Baptist and and it became
• 25:46
  Cathic later. And so I have a rosary and
• 25:48
  the King James Bible. I'm I'm covering
• 25:49
  all my bases, right? Uh but but that has
• 25:53
  been important in my uh in my life as
• 25:56
  I've
• 25:57
  >> and I say I really I my wife and
• 25:59
  daughter and I going together through
• 26:01
  this journey of scouting.
• 26:03
  >> Yeah. You know, it's terrific. The books
• 26:05
  in this in this studio are the favorite
• 26:07
  books of the guests we've had on and we
• 26:08
  have all kinds of stuff. Shell
• 26:10
  Silverstein to the Bible, all those
• 26:12
  types of things. But you know, the
• 26:13
  Bible, just real quickly, is a wonderful
• 26:15
  business book.
• 26:16
  >> Yes.
• 26:17
  >> You just happen to follow some of its
• 26:18
  practices, you're going to end up doing
• 26:20
  pretty well in business. And oh, by the
• 26:21
  way, life's going to probably go well as
• 26:23
  also. And so terrific ad to the studio
• 26:26
  for sure.
• 26:27
  >> I want to answer your your your original
• 26:29
  question though was how can people get
• 26:31
  involved? So, you know, we have
• 26:33
  obviously our website. It's join scouts
• 26:37
  in J or join JN J O I N, excuse me.
• 26:41
  Scoutsin Indiana.org.
• 26:44
  >> Yep. And on there you'll see a plethora
• 26:46
  of opportunities whether it's in program
• 26:48
  delivery if you want to be involved in
• 26:50
  how to put on a camperee if you just
• 26:52
  want to be involved maybe learning be uh
• 26:54
  engage in a local scout unit whether
• 26:56
  it's a cuppack or scout troop or if you
• 26:58
  want to help out in some of our
• 26:59
  fundraisers which we always love to have
• 27:02
  um you know our big we have a lot of
• 27:03
  fundraisers like most nonprofits but the
• 27:06
  one that I think is very uh that
• 27:07
  distinguishes us is that we have what's
• 27:09
  called the governor's event
• 27:11
  >> and we've been doing that for 26 years
• 27:13
  and the governor of Indiana for 26
• 27:15
  years, no matter who it is, has always
• 27:17
  been involved in has been a part of that
• 27:20
  event. Um, this year, uh, it's on
• 27:23
  November and of course, Governor Braun,
• 27:25
  it was an Eagle Scout, by the way, Eric.
• 27:27
  >> Yeah.
• 27:28
  >> Uh, Governor Braun will be there and we
• 27:31
  will have almost over a thousand people
• 27:34
  attend that event. Now, that's guest. to
• 27:37
  get a thousand people, you got to have
• 27:39
  people who, you know, help say, "Hey, I
• 27:41
  want to invite people be a part of
• 27:42
  that."
• 27:43
  >> So, you know, we have that event that
• 27:45
  raises over a million dollars.
• 27:47
  >> I mean, that's a significant event for
• 27:48
  us.
• 27:49
  >> Sure. Right. You know, so, you know, you
• 27:51
  have that type of them. We have like
• 27:52
  sporting clays, we have golf, we got all
• 27:54
  the other stuff. Uh, but if you want to
• 27:56
  be involved in scouting, there's no uh
• 28:00
  uh limitations on being engaged in
• 28:03
  scouting, whether it's program or
• 28:04
  fundraising.
• 28:05
  >> Yeah. encou I encourage people to do so.
• 28:07
  I mean, there's great opportunities for
• 28:08
  these young ladies and and young men to
• 28:10
  be able to get out and to learn and to
• 28:12
  work together, build teamwork, and to
• 28:14
  become just generally good humans so
• 28:16
  that when we let them out into the
• 28:18
  world, they become, you know, good
• 28:19
  workers and good people and all those
• 28:21
  different types of things.
• 28:22
  >> End of the day, that's all we're charged
• 28:23
  to do. That's
• 28:24
  >> right. Make it our better place when we
• 28:26
  found it.
• 28:26
  >> That's right. And you mentioned the
• 28:27
  governor aptly actually got a chance to
• 28:29
  interview him a couple of months back.
• 28:31
  >> You know, one of the things we're a
• 28:33
  technology company, right? second
• 28:34
  generation technology business founded
• 28:36
  in 1989, been around a long time. One of
• 28:39
  the things we ask our leaders is to talk
• 28:42
  a little bit about technology in their
• 28:43
  space and kind of how it's evolved and
• 28:45
  maybe where they see it going. And I'm
• 28:48
  just curious, you're working with young
• 28:49
  individuals, right? But you've been now
• 28:51
  in this space since 2000, I think, is
• 28:54
  when you started down in in Louisville.
• 28:56
  >> You know, how has technology evolved
• 28:58
  with the scouts? Well, you know, it's
• 29:00
  interesting you say that because when
• 29:01
  you think of technology and scouts,
• 29:03
  which is, you know, we still embrace
• 29:04
  what's called the outdoor classroom
• 29:06
  experience. Uh, you know, how does that
• 29:08
  how do you balance, you know, this this
• 29:11
  need to embrace technology that is
• 29:13
  important? Uh, we all acknowledge this
• 29:16
  and then balance it though with
• 29:18
  especially with young people and I would
• 29:20
  say even adults, but young people, you
• 29:22
  know, to give them that space where
• 29:24
  they're maybe not tied to this, right?
• 29:27
  Right. uh and and and enjoy nature and
• 29:31
  and learn from being outdoors. But we
• 29:34
  all agree we need technology. Technology
• 29:37
  has made us more efficient of course. So
• 29:39
  in scouting um you know we have
• 29:42
  absolutely embraced STEM. Uh especially
• 29:45
  at Crossroads of America. Um one of our
• 29:47
  scout camps located 15 minutes from
• 29:50
  right here in uh Fall Creek is Camp
• 29:53
  Belzer. And that's a 116 year old camp.
• 29:56
  In fact, you and I met there. We met at
• 29:58
  the Langy Innovation Center and and
• 30:01
  that's a brand new facility. Was built
• 30:04
  about five years ago, I believe.
• 30:06
  >> Beautiful, dude. By the way,
• 30:07
  >> I know, right? I mean, gosh, someone a
• 30:09
  blessing. Uh but you have this huge
• 30:11
  space with indoor uh wall climbing, a
• 30:15
  high ropes course, but then in the back
• 30:18
  we have STEM a STEM center
• 30:20
  >> and where kids can learn various uh STEM
• 30:24
  activities, participate being engaged
• 30:27
  and then we so we have these
• 30:28
  partnerships not only with our current
• 30:30
  scouts but with schools. So during the
• 30:32
  school year, a lot of schools will do
• 30:34
  field trips at the Langy Center and have
• 30:37
  them participate in our STEM center or
• 30:39
  do the, you know, the the ropes course
• 30:41
  or even the war economy. So we've
• 30:43
  embraced it from that perspective. Um I
• 30:46
  think also it's important if you go to
• 30:48
  camp, you know, we now as you're going
• 30:50
  through these hikes, right? Well, we
• 30:52
  have QR codes. So you can take your
• 30:54
  phone, right? I mean, now we don't want
• 30:55
  to encourage scouts to always be on the
• 30:57
  phone, but there's an opportunity. You
• 30:59
  can snap on a cur code and bear's boot
• 31:01
  talks about the particular plant or tree
• 31:04
  so they can learn. Okay.
• 31:05
  >> Yeah. So you can learn through
• 31:06
  chronology outdoor stuff, right? Yeah.
• 31:09
  >> It's that balance if you will.
• 31:11
  >> Oh, that's terrific to hear about. Uh,
• 31:12
  you know, leaders love technology, our
• 31:15
  scout leaders, because, you know, when
• 31:17
  you're tracking all these scouts and
• 31:19
  they're, you know, they're advancing in
• 31:20
  their rank, they're earning these mayor
• 31:22
  badges and, you know, back in the day,
• 31:23
  you had to handw write all this stuff
• 31:25
  out and you hit papers and copies and
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  Well, now it's all done right here.
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  >> That's right.
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  >> From your phone.
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  >> Yeah.
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  >> And so now parents can see how their
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  scout or child is advancing. The scout
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  leaders can track what they're doing. I
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  mean, it's it's made um I think scouting
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  more efficient.
• 31:41
  >> Sure. in that regard.
• 31:42
  >> Oh, that's terrific. Love the ideas and
• 31:44
  technology and you know the the kids you
• 31:46
  we don't want them on their phones when
• 31:47
  they're outside, but if they can use
• 31:49
  them for learning, it does teach them a
• 31:50
  skill. It does
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  >> that it's something that is a tool to be
• 31:54
  utilized as they continue forward. If
• 31:55
  I'm learning about a tree or a car or
• 31:58
  whatever I need to learn about in life.
• 31:59
  >> Absolutely.
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  >> Right. So, love that. The other thing we
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  talk about and you've talked about this
• 32:04
  kind of throughout your story, but we
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  we'd like to ask our leaders a little
• 32:08
  bit about community and and the thought
• 32:10
  around just what does community mean to
• 32:12
  you?
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  >> You know, um as we grow older
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  uh and we have um accumulated all these
• 32:21
  experiences and I think about my times,
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  you know, my community was my family in
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  Louisville. That's how it started. And
• 32:28
  then of course as I went into the
• 32:30
  University of Louisville going to a
• 32:32
  college you know I had 20,000 people
• 32:33
  there. Wow this is a lot larger and and
• 32:37
  became the student body president I I
• 32:39
  saw how community could expand and with
• 32:42
  a lot of um different backgrounds but
• 32:45
  then I go to work for the scouts and and
• 32:48
  then community got even bigger because
• 32:49
  we were covering at the time you know
• 32:51
  twothirds of the state of Indiana. So
• 32:53
  now community is regionally, right? And
• 32:55
  then I go into Maine and then I go to
• 32:58
  Baltimore, Maryland. Community now is
• 33:01
  nationally regional, you right? You see
• 33:02
  it's just expanding. And I and then of
• 33:04
  course South Bend and now down here. And
• 33:06
  I will sit here and tell you community
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  is is a table that you create.
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  >> That's community. It's my my belief is
• 33:14
  create a big table.
• 33:15
  >> That's right.
• 33:16
  >> That's community.
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  >> Yeah.
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  >> You know, I I don't want to limit I
• 33:19
  don't want to shrink my table. I want to
• 33:21
  make it bigger.
• 33:21
  >> That's right. more people engaged, more
• 33:24
  people who are uh whether it's even in
• 33:26
  our personal lives, make the table
• 33:28
  bigger.
• 33:28
  >> That's right.
• 33:29
  >> And that's how we define it.
• 33:30
  >> You know what that that we I've had
• 33:32
  asked that question probably 60 70 times
• 33:35
  now. No one has defined it as I want to
• 33:37
  make, you know, set my table or or make
• 33:39
  my table bigger, those types of things.
• 33:40
  But when we come together to a table and
• 33:42
  we're going to break bread, that's
• 33:44
  community. Sure. Right. And so what a
• 33:45
  great answer. I love that. And so as we
• 33:48
  think back, you know, before we get to
• 33:49
  our last question, I mean, your story is
• 33:51
  terrific. He grow up in Louisville,
• 33:53
  right? Not quite sure what you're going
• 33:55
  to do. You end up getting a double major
• 33:57
  kind of on accident, getting a degree in
• 33:59
  two different things, staying there,
• 34:01
  becoming class president, and you're
• 34:03
  getting your masters. And then just
• 34:05
  having a friend, that's community right
• 34:06
  there, saying, "Hey, the Boy Scouts are
• 34:09
  looking for somebody." And yeah,
• 34:10
  >> you you take take that chance and and
• 34:12
  have the misconception of you had to
• 34:14
  know how to do all these things, but
• 34:15
  truly this is a real business and you're
• 34:18
  coming in to run that. and then your
• 34:19
  journey up to Portland and down to
• 34:21
  Baltimore and you know ultimately here
• 34:23
  to Indiana and South Bend and then
• 34:24
  coming to Indianapolis and you know I'm
• 34:27
  so glad that you your family are here
• 34:29
  supporting those 10,000 scouts those
• 34:31
  4,000 volunteers to be able to do what
• 34:34
  you're doing for our community. So, one
• 34:36
  want to wish you continued success.
• 34:38
  >> Two, from a business perspective and
• 34:40
  also personal as well. Wish your
• 34:42
  daughter the most success ultimately is
• 34:44
  being a 15year-old and and hopefully
• 34:47
  over the next few years getting to her
• 34:48
  goal, which is when you and I talked, I
• 34:50
  think she probably will. Uh, but before
• 34:52
  we close,
• 34:53
  >> Sure.
• 34:54
  >> If you're not working, what do you do
• 34:56
  for a
• 34:57
  >> Yeah, that's a good question. That's
• 34:58
  probably the hardest question I have
• 34:59
  today. Uh, what do you do? You know, um,
• 35:03
  and it's been a challenge. I won't I
• 35:05
  won't deny that uh the fine at personal
• 35:08
  time. Uh one of the things I thoroughly
• 35:11
  enjoy and I don't get to do it enough is
• 35:14
  uh sporting clays. It's a ski shooting
• 35:16
  for those who don't know but uh I've
• 35:19
  always joked it's uh using guns for golf
• 35:22
  because you go at different stations and
• 35:24
  and you shoot ski. Um I love it. Uh I
• 35:27
  was introduced to sporting clays through
• 35:29
  scouting in Louisville. Had never done
• 35:31
  it before and just found it totally
• 35:33
  enjoyable. Um, yes, I can play golf
• 35:36
  poorly and and so, you know, I can
• 35:39
  either take a bad shot and get flustered
• 35:42
  or I can go out and take another shot,
• 35:45
  miss a clay target, but feel good.
• 35:46
  >> Yeah. Right.
• 35:47
  >> And and you know, it's just fun. I I
• 35:49
  enjoy it. Um, and you know, that's one
• 35:52
  of my probably my true enjoyments. I'm
• 35:55
  finding more time to exercise and since
• 35:57
  the last time you and I met, um, I've
• 35:59
  actually, uh, made it a point now to
• 36:02
  exercise. Uh, I used to be a runner back
• 36:04
  in the day.
• 36:05
  >> Okay.
• 36:05
  >> Uh, back into before marriage and kids
• 36:08
  and uh, and so I'm finding my I'm
• 36:11
  getting back into that groove. So, and
• 36:13
  and I'm very happy when I used to run.
• 36:15
  >> Yeah.
• 36:16
  >> So, I'm getting back into that uh, that
• 36:18
  mode again.
• 36:18
  >> Yeah. Good for you, John. I can't thank
• 36:20
  you enough. Thanks so much for what
• 36:21
  you're doing. Continued success. Thanks
• 36:23
  for being on the show.
• 36:24
  >> Thank you, Greg.
• 36:25
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