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Credlin | 2 March · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Brandland live on sky Ingins Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to the show, Peter, having a quick break.
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Speaker 2: She'll be back with you next week. Steve Price with
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Speaker 2: you all week. Here's what's coming up on Credlin tonight.
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Speaker 2: After a remarkable weekend that shook the world with the
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Speaker 2: Israeli US attack on the murderous Iranian regime that of
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Speaker 2: course took out their supreme leader Ali Kumani, creating a
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Speaker 2: climate for regime change. Coming up on the program full coverage,
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Speaker 2: including a live cross into Israel where Iranian ballistic missiles
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Speaker 2: and drones continue to rain down from terror group Hezbollah.
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Speaker 2: Will catch up with Fleur Hassan Nahoum, the former deputy
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Speaker 2: mayor of Jerusalem. Also on the program, will pull apart
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Speaker 2: the military operation and explain how it unfolded, including reports
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Speaker 2: from The New York Times suggesting that the CIA had
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Speaker 2: learned at the weekend that the now dead Muller and
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Speaker 2: his top we're all gathering in one place. Former Army
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Speaker 2: Director Ian Langford will be with us to discuss that,
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Speaker 2: plus Kredlin regular Chris Juelman. He'll pick apart the local
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Speaker 2: politics of the attack with our prime minister, among the
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Speaker 2: first in the world to actually back what the US
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Speaker 2: and Israel have done and away from the Middle East
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Speaker 2: and to green politics in Australia where environment groups and
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Speaker 2: the Greens seemingly split on the rush to net zero
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Speaker 2: and the damage that is causing to Australian native bush.
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Speaker 2: But first, it took less than twenty four hours for
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Speaker 2: the impact of President Donald Trump and Israel Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: Benjamin netnya who's meticulously planned military hit on Iran and
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Speaker 2: its murderous leadership, for many in Australia to start asking
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Speaker 2: an urgent question, can we Australia even remotely think that
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Speaker 2: we can defend ourselves? Is Australia militarily prepared to defend
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Speaker 2: ourselves from a foreign government determined to do us harm
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Speaker 2: in an attack, say, aim to secure our resources for
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Speaker 2: that foreign government. Now the clear answer to that question
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Speaker 2: is an overwhelming no. I mean again, it was made
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Speaker 2: clear today as oil prices spiked and the expected still
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Speaker 2: rise on petrol and diesel retail prices probably set to
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Speaker 2: hit today or tomorrow. What Australia as a nation only
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Speaker 2: has around a month's supply of fuel that keeps the
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Speaker 2: nation turning now I'll play some comments on this from
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Speaker 2: Chris Bowen in question Time today. In a moment he
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Speaker 2: says we've got thirty six days, so I say four weeks.
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Speaker 2: He says, it's five big deal. But there is a
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Speaker 2: twist here. We've got one month, meaning that we rely
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Speaker 2: completely on imported crude plus imported refined fuel mainly from Singapore,
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Speaker 2: that could be turned off like a tap if shipping
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Speaker 2: loans to Australia were compromised. Now One Nation MP and
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Speaker 2: former Deputy Prime Minister Barnaby Joyce has been on about
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Speaker 2: this for a very long time and he was quick
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Speaker 2: to point out this morning criticizing the current government for
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Speaker 2: not being more vocal today and what Australia should be
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Speaker 2: doing in a similar situation.
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Speaker 3: If China uses this time to say, well America's tied
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Speaker 3: up in the Middle East, We'll take on Taiwan, and
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Speaker 3: all of a sudden America says to us, well you're in.
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Speaker 3: Have we got a formidable defense force?
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Speaker 2: Have we built that up?
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Speaker 3: There's a bit of a shame about that, isn't it.
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Speaker 3: Pray we pray that this crisis, this conflict, comes to
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Speaker 3: an end. We hear the President Trump's out there. He's
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Speaker 3: going to have discussions. I want that to conclude. But
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Speaker 3: this isn't a major trade route for an essential quantity
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Speaker 3: for Australia.
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Speaker 2: Barnaby followed up with the question to Chris Bowen in
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Speaker 2: Question Time. Now here's Bowen's explanation that some of this
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Speaker 2: thirty six days of fuel we have is actually on
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Speaker 2: ships somewhere.
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Speaker 4: He answers to the question. He's thirty four days in
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Speaker 4: relation to diesel, thirty two days in relation to jet
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Speaker 4: phil and thirty six days in relation to petro Let's
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Speaker 4: figures only include fueled in Australia or on ships in
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Speaker 4: our economic zone.
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Speaker 2: It is true, it is not all on land in Australia.
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Speaker 2: Certainly doesn't fill me with confidence. I mean, Barnaby says,
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Speaker 2: we are simply sitting around with our fingers crossed hoping
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Speaker 2: our alliance with the United States would see the cavalry
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Speaker 2: headed this way to protect us, and in the current
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Speaker 2: global climate, there's no guarantee of that. With reports out
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Speaker 2: of the US today saying polls in that country showing
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Speaker 2: support for this attack on Iran is only at twenty
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Speaker 2: five percent of the population, what would support for a
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Speaker 2: defense of Australia be from the American public. Look, a
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Speaker 2: large number of Americans would struggle to even find us
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Speaker 2: on a map. I'll talk to international affairs expert Michael
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Speaker 2: Schubridge shortly about that prominent defense expert. In the newslamit
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Speaker 2: of tabloids this morning, Jennifer Parker said boosting defense capabilities
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Speaker 2: amid global uncertainty was, in her words, quote, insurance against
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Speaker 2: a changed world. She's right, adding that the current timeline
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Speaker 2: of lifting investment in defense from two point zero five
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Speaker 2: percent to two point three three percent by twenty thirty
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Speaker 2: three was way too slow. And more strongly still, Parker
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Speaker 2: said quote not backing that up with significantly enhanced military
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Speaker 2: capability is a huge vulnerability and incoherent. Now, Opposition defense
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Speaker 2: spokesman James Patterson went to the heart of the issue, warning, quote,
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Speaker 2: in an age of missiles and drones, Australia's major cities
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Speaker 2: and northern military bases are dangerously exposed by a lack
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Speaker 2: of integrated air and missile defenses. Look, it's a gloomy
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Speaker 2: assessment and one camera doesn't seem to want to hear.
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Speaker 2: And the current Defense Minister, Richard Miles, who did finally
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Speaker 2: Bob Up today on Iran just doesn't fill me with
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Speaker 2: any confidence, and his answer to questions from Peter Stefanovic
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Speaker 2: were pretty lame.
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Speaker 1: Final capacity is one issue, but even the what we
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Speaker 1: refine in Australia now relies heavily on imported crude oil.
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Speaker 1: So refining is one element of it. But it's actually
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Speaker 1: about having oil reserves and take crude oil from around
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Speaker 1: the world. But that would include from the Middle East,
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Speaker 1: but it's not the only place where we take crude
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Speaker 1: oil from. But I guess what that highlights is that,
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Speaker 1: I mean, this is an important region. It has an
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Speaker 1: impact on the global economy. We'll all be watching that
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Speaker 1: very closely.
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Speaker 2: Now does that Bloa Filly with confidence? He certainly doesn't
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Speaker 2: fill me with any confidence. Look, our nation's biggest advantage
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Speaker 2: still is where a big island continent a long way
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Speaker 2: away from anywhere. But in modern warfare that advantage can
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Speaker 2: no longer be taken for granted. I mean, take you
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Speaker 2: to Canberra in a sect. But not surprisingly with question
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Speaker 2: time back in session today, the Prime Minister was asked
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Speaker 2: a question by his own side, I should point out
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Speaker 2: about the reaction to the joint Israeli US attack on Iran.
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Speaker 5: Our ability to provide contour assistance in Iran is extremely
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Speaker 5: limited due to the correct decision that we made to
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Speaker 5: expel the Iranian ambassador and close our embassy in Tehran
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Speaker 5: after the evidence of the IRGC's involvement in terrorist attacks
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Speaker 5: on Australian soil.
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Speaker 2: Just don't get a sense that he really believes much
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Speaker 2: of that. The newly minted Opposition leader Angus Taylor well,
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Speaker 2: he responded with his view of what the military action was.
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Speaker 6: I associate myself with the sentiment of the Prime Minister
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Speaker 6: here in what is just said a moment ago. This
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Speaker 6: is a genocidal, authoritarian and despotic regime. The IRGC has
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Speaker 6: acted to support terrorist acts throughout the world, including.
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Speaker 2: In this country.
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Speaker 6: Two acts we have seen at least in this country.
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Speaker 6: And of course the listing of the IRGC was something
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Speaker 6: that both sides of the parliament supported. It should have
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Speaker 6: happened earlier, but both sides of the parliament have supported that.
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Speaker 2: Let's go to camera now and check out the latest
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Speaker 2: political headlines with Sky New's political reporter Cam red Good.
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Speaker 7: Evening, the Alberinezer government won't speculate about whether Australia could
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Speaker 7: become involved in the Middle East conflict.
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Speaker 1: I'm not in the habit of speculating that this is
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Speaker 1: an action, that it's being undertaken by the US and
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Speaker 1: Israel and leave it at that.
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Speaker 8: Really, the United States and Israel were doing the heavy
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Speaker 8: lifting on behalf of the free World.
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Speaker 9: War is never the answer, and you cannot bomb your
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Speaker 9: way to peace.
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Speaker 7: It was the first question time for new Opposition leader
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Speaker 7: Angus Taylor, targeting the government over the so called ISIS
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Speaker 7: bride cohort.
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Speaker 6: Can the PM confirm that none of his ministers, nor
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Speaker 6: any member of staff made representations to any relevant departments
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Speaker 6: or agencies to support or expedite the issuing of Australian
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Speaker 6: passports to Isis sympathize in Syria.
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Speaker 5: They're Australian citizens. They now have an entitlement right to
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Speaker 5: come back to our country.
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Speaker 8: And will the government now prioritize bringing home law abiding
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Speaker 8: Australian citizens at risk from the conflict?
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Speaker 10: Prime Minister has.
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Speaker 5: The paul n the premise of the question is wrong.
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Speaker 7: One Nation leader Pauline Hansen faced a censure motion over
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Speaker 7: her comments about Muslim Australians.
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Speaker 1: And I think most Australians would reject these comments since
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Speaker 1: they were spoken.
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Speaker 11: I do take great offense to what was said by
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Speaker 11: Senator Hansen.
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Speaker 2: It's sticks and your crawl.
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Speaker 10: The fact is in your gut that.
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Speaker 6: You can't stand. The fact is that one nation is
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Speaker 6: now in twenty seven eight percent.
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Speaker 11: Caaron Raddin's Sky News Canberra.
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Speaker 2: Good on you, Camp. We'll have some audio out of
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Speaker 2: that sense motion in the Senate. I shouldn't laugh, but
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Speaker 2: it got pretty willing between Lydia Thorpe and Pauline Hansen
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Speaker 2: later today and Pauline Hanson in the end I think apologize,
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Speaker 2: but I'll get to that shortly. As I said the
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Speaker 2: endorsement of the US Israeli moves in Iran, they were
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Speaker 2: very quickly endorsed by the Prime Minister on the weekend,
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Speaker 2: which I think surprised a few people, and of course
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Speaker 2: it was slammed by the Greens joining me now skypepuit
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Speaker 2: a contributor and Peter Credline regular Chris Human, Chris, great
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Speaker 2: to see you, as usual, I guess. To his credit,
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Speaker 2: the PM came out very quickly on Saturday released a
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Speaker 2: fairly strongly worded statement supporting the strikes on Iran. He
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Speaker 2: also reminded everyone of course that the Iranian regime had
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Speaker 2: targeted us recently, which gave him a convenient way to
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Speaker 2: respond to whatever it was happening in the Middle East, isn't.
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Speaker 11: It Yes, Steve.
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Speaker 9: It was strong, it was quick, it was clear, and
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Speaker 9: that I think is something the government has suffered from
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Speaker 9: in the past and not being any of those things
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Speaker 9: when it comes to moments of great crisis. And so
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Speaker 9: it's good to see the Australian Prime Minister out on this.
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Speaker 9: He did remind people by the way that this regime
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Speaker 9: had targeted people inside Australia and that no one would
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Speaker 9: mourn the supreme leader in Iran and can I had
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Speaker 9: my voice to that. So I think it was good
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Speaker 9: from the government. Can I say though, with this particular
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Speaker 9: action in the Middle East again, you and I are
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Speaker 9: old enough to remember what happened in Iraq and it
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Speaker 9: looked good at the beginning, and then of course something
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Speaker 9: worse than emerged out of the Middle East, and that
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Speaker 9: was the Islamic State. So a very very long way
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Speaker 9: to go with this. And in the end who rules
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Speaker 9: in Iran will be that personal persons who can control
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Speaker 9: the police and the army, and we'll find out who
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Speaker 9: that is.
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Speaker 11: Over the next few weeks, we.
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Speaker 2: Very quickly found out that the Australian personneality in that
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Speaker 2: region I think Males has said there's around one thousand,
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Speaker 2: mainly in that air base in I think it's in
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Speaker 2: the UAE. They are all safe and being looked after.
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Speaker 2: But you can't say the same about thousands of Australians
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Speaker 2: who used that transport hub Chris through there. You and
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Speaker 2: I would have been in Dubai and Abu Dhabi plenty
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Speaker 2: of times, in and out of places like Europe. I mean,
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Speaker 2: what are we going to do about all those people
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Speaker 2: who are just stuck there?
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Speaker 9: Yeah, and there's evidence too that those airports are being targeted.
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Speaker 9: You would imagine that as ARAM lashes out, it would
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Speaker 9: have thought about this in advance and wants to create
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Speaker 9: the most havoc it possibly can in its death throws,
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Speaker 9: or if it survives this, it thinks it will do
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Speaker 9: so by targeting some of those regional centers. So we
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Speaker 9: can see now from the maps of where planes go
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Speaker 9: in the world that they're all now avoiding that part
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Speaker 9: of the world. Getting people out of these kinds of
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Speaker 9: circumstances always dangerous. Look, I know people always call for
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Speaker 9: the Australian government to do something about this, but you
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Speaker 9: actually can't land planes in those areas, then it becomes
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Speaker 9: extremely difficult to do. So yeah, look, my heart goes
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Speaker 9: out to those people who are trying to move, but
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Speaker 9: also to all those people who are now involved in
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Speaker 9: conflict in that area and all the people who will
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Speaker 9: suffer because of it.
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Speaker 2: What do you reckon that this is going to take?
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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, we you and I are old
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Speaker 2: enough to remember Iraq and George Bush he said it
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Speaker 2: to be over in you know, a couple of weeks.
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump seems to think this will last four weeks.
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Speaker 2: These things never seem to be as quick as what
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Speaker 2: everyone claims at the beginning.
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Speaker 12: Do they.
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Speaker 11: Oh, I may don't remember.
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Speaker 9: I was on radio as you were back, and you know,
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Speaker 9: when we invaded Afghanistan, and the one thing that I
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Speaker 9: said that I do recall was that what's the exit strategy?
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Speaker 9: These things are easy to get into and hard to
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Speaker 9: get out of. And it turned out that Afghanistan one
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Speaker 9: of the hardest places on Earth to get out of.
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Speaker 11: And if you looked at.
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Speaker 9: The history of that country, it would have given you
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Speaker 9: no comfort that it was ever going to be easy
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Speaker 9: to get out of it. So look, you know, unfortunately
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Speaker 9: this regime and a lot of people who support it
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Speaker 9: now support inside Iran obviously for a change of government.
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Speaker 9: There's also support for this regime. So how it shakes out,
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Speaker 9: we don't know, and we may yet to be able
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Speaker 9: to find we may yet find that there's something worse
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Speaker 9: than this regime. So you know, with fingers and toes
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Speaker 9: cross not mourning at all the leadership. Let's hope that
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Speaker 9: something good does come of this, but we won't know
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Speaker 9: for years.
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Speaker 2: No, we saw one of those conflicts give birth to Isis.
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Speaker 2: Let's talk about oil oils as at the center of
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Speaker 2: anything that happens in the Middle East. There's several ships
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Speaker 2: have been struck in the Straits of Hulmas. They've been
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Speaker 2: attacked already. Now, if that supply straight shuts down, that's
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Speaker 2: going to put a massive spike in oil prices. And
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Speaker 2: then the Australian public are going to suddenly find out
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Speaker 2: in the next week or so that they're going to
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Speaker 2: be paying a hell of a lot more money per
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Speaker 2: leader for a leader of petrol.
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Speaker 9: And this shows you again energy actually matters, and energy
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Speaker 9: security matters, and of course the outcome of the original
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Speaker 9: strikes is that they've lost their insurance. So the ships
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Speaker 9: that are in that region now now have no war insurance,
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Speaker 9: which means the people that own those ships aren't going
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Speaker 9: to be moving those ships, whether they're targeted or not,
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Speaker 9: through that thirty three kilometer wide straight with Iran on
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Speaker 9: one side. So the likelihood that everything will come to
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Speaker 9: a shudden stop is large. That's twenty percent of the
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Speaker 9: world's oil supply. Twenty percent seems to be the number
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Speaker 9: because Qatar supplies twenty percent of the world's liquefied natural
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Speaker 9: gas through that same route.
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Speaker 11: So that's a very big shock that the world is
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Speaker 11: going to have to absorb.
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Speaker 9: And once again, if he's already pointed out, it is
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Speaker 9: absurd that a place like Australia, which is in case
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Speaker 9: we have forgotten it, an Ireland has thirty four days
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Speaker 9: according let's go with a minister's word of oil supply.
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Speaker 9: But hey, some of that's on the water. Where does
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Speaker 9: it come through. It comes through the South China Sea.
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Speaker 9: Say there was a conflict with Taiwan, what do you
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Speaker 9: think would happen to that? Our jet fuel, some of
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Speaker 9: the jet fuel that we need for our military aircraft
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Speaker 9: that comes from South Korea.
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Speaker 11: What do you think the South Koreans are going to.
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Speaker 9: Do if there's a conflict in the South China, see
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Speaker 9: you think that they might have some use for that
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Speaker 9: themselves and.
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Speaker 11: That it wouldn't be disrupted. It is laughable. It would
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Speaker 11: be laughable if it wasn't.
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Speaker 9: It just wasn't funny that we find ourselves still in
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Speaker 9: the circumstances that we are, that within a week of
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Speaker 9: any kind of serious conflict, we would be having petrol
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Speaker 9: rationing and that would only see us last a couple
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Speaker 9: of months.
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Speaker 2: I can remember petro rationing when we had petrol strips
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Speaker 2: and if you had a street number which was an
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Speaker 2: odd number, you could buy petrol one day and the
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Speaker 2: even numbers the next day. Where were you thirty years ago?
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Speaker 10: Today?
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Speaker 2: I know where I was two.
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Speaker 13: Years to go.
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Speaker 11: Today I can tell you exactly. I know exactly where
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Speaker 11: I was.
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Speaker 9: I was actually in India and I was listening to
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Speaker 9: the election results come through and they were being phoned
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Speaker 9: through to a hotel and Novertel in Agra where we'd
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Speaker 9: been thumped by.
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Speaker 11: The Novertel cricket team.
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Speaker 9: And I was playing for austral and High Commission as
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Speaker 9: those results came through.
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Speaker 2: I was in the old tally room in Canberra, remember
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Speaker 2: we'll we used to sit up there and the numbers
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Speaker 2: were posted up manually on the board. That seems like
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Speaker 2: a long time ago. Your specials coming up next week.
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Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to it Wednesday night, John Howard. Was
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Speaker 2: it fun making that?
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Speaker 9: Yeah, it's been great fun. It also reminds us of something, Steve.
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Speaker 9: If you take the Howard government, look at the eleven
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Speaker 9: years of stability, we had the same Prime minister, the
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Speaker 9: same foreign Minister, and the same.
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Speaker 11: Treasure at four eleven years.
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Speaker 9: Add the Hawk government to that and we had twenty
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Speaker 9: five years of stability. Do we ever think that we'll
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Speaker 9: see that kind of stability and that kind of sense
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Speaker 9: of purpose that we had from both of those two governments,
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Speaker 9: and a sense of reform.
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Speaker 11: Do we ever think we'll see that again?
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Speaker 2: Hardly likely, I don't think, my friend. I look forward
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Speaker 2: to speaking to you next week and we'll see what
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Speaker 2: you've uncovered on Wednesday Night. Thanks a lot, Chris. Remember
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Speaker 2: to tune in Wednesday night, the eleventh at seven thirty
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Speaker 2: pm Chris's new doco on John Howard. You cannot miss that.
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Speaker 2: I've got to tell you, it looks fantastic. Now civil
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Speaker 2: war is erupted within the green movement. It looks over
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Speaker 2: concerns that the governments, the federal government's net zero push
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Speaker 2: is going to have negative impacts on the environment and
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Speaker 2: endangered wildlife. Now, only an idiot would not know that
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Speaker 2: that was going to happen.
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Speaker 12: Now.
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Speaker 2: One of these projects is from Andrew Forrest, who always
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Speaker 2: says one thing on the west coast of Australia and
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Speaker 2: another thing on the East coast. This is a thing
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Speaker 2: called the Gewara Bayer Wind Farm and it'll see the
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Speaker 2: World Heritage List. While I'm on falls framed by turbines
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Speaker 2: as high as two hundred and fifty meters. Now joining
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Speaker 2: me now to talk about these concerns environmentalist and photographer
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Speaker 2: Stephen noah Kowski. He's been on with Peter before. There's
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Speaker 2: some hell of a lot of double standards going on here.
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Speaker 2: I thought the Greens, and you know I'm talking about
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Speaker 2: how old I am tonight. I went down to the
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Speaker 2: Franklin Dam protest when it first set up down there
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Speaker 2: on the Franklin River in Tazzy. The Greens were a
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Speaker 2: protest party to protect the environment. They've disappeared on that front.
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Speaker 14: Yeah, good evening, asked Steve. Yeah, the Greens have really
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Speaker 14: gone missing on this issue. The Franklin River Dam was
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Speaker 14: a very big campaign, but that pails into insignificance with
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Speaker 14: what is about to happen with this role, that of renewableoks. So,
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Speaker 14: for example, your viewers might have heard of an infrastructure
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Speaker 14: project called Marinuslink and Marinislink is really an undersea cable
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Speaker 14: to connect Tasmania to Victoria and the idea behind is
19:00
Speaker 14: to open up Tasmania to renewable energy projects to the
19:05
Speaker 14: likes that you've never seen. For example, the Tarkine Wilderness
19:09
Speaker 14: on the West Coast, which is emarked for Ward Heritage listing,
19:13
Speaker 14: is earmarked, is emarked for the wild back Ridge wind Farm.
19:17
Speaker 14: That's three hundred wind towers. You've obviously heard of Robin's
19:21
Speaker 14: Island wind farm, and in fact the whole North Coast
19:24
Speaker 14: is emarked for wind farms. And Lake Petter for example,
19:29
Speaker 14: My dream has been to see Lake Peta restored. It
19:33
Speaker 14: should never have been dammed and that can never be restored.
19:38
Speaker 14: If the Marinis Link project goes ahead and the Greens
19:41
Speaker 14: are silent, absolutely silent.
19:44
Speaker 2: Well they're completely conflicted, aren't they? I mean they would
19:47
Speaker 2: in their quiet moments be saying, well, we can't touch
19:50
Speaker 2: the tarkine. But it's going to happen because the government's
19:53
Speaker 2: issuing permits to do these projects because they need desperately
19:57
Speaker 2: to get to their net zero by I think it's
19:59
Speaker 2: twenty thirty three. So where is the aside from a
20:02
Speaker 2: voice like your own, where is the mass environmental protests
20:07
Speaker 2: that I and you saw when the Franklin was stopped?
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Speaker 14: Like I said, missing in action. I believe that things
20:17
Speaker 14: will turn around. We're going to see such dire consequences
20:22
Speaker 14: like we saw in the article on the weekend, even
20:26
Speaker 14: Barumba Dam. That was the risk, the risk rescinding of
20:30
Speaker 14: National Park for that pumped hydro project. If that was
20:35
Speaker 14: for any other project, conservationists could have been screaming. And
20:41
Speaker 14: there's going to get to a point where enough is
20:44
Speaker 14: enough and people are going to have to start waking
20:45
Speaker 14: up and realizing that this is really just the tip
20:48
Speaker 14: of the iceberg. We need three to four big pumped
20:50
Speaker 14: hydro projects in Queensland. Chris Bowen said, we need six
20:54
Speaker 14: thousand kilometers of new transmission lines, most a lot of
20:58
Speaker 14: that going through state forest, national parks, wilderness areas. Huge
21:04
Speaker 14: amounts of destruction is in the pipeline. So the greens
21:08
Speaker 14: and the conservation sector are going to have to start
21:11
Speaker 14: waking up to this issue. And it's really regional communities
21:15
Speaker 14: that are at the forefront of this, and they're the
21:17
Speaker 14: ones that are really leading the charge protecting their patches
21:21
Speaker 14: of bush and forests in their local areas here.
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Speaker 2: So what's the state government's roles in this? I mean,
21:31
Speaker 2: I guess it's a problem that you've got a labor
21:33
Speaker 2: government in New South Wales, Victoria and South Australia, and
21:37
Speaker 2: so they're quite happy to take a pat on the
21:40
Speaker 2: back from Canberra to make these projects happen. I mean,
21:43
Speaker 2: I've seen some of these wind farms in Victoria and
21:46
Speaker 2: I know that the farming community in Victoria is also
21:48
Speaker 2: very worried about that massive transmission link from southern New
21:52
Speaker 2: South Wales it's going to come down into Victoria. The
21:55
Speaker 2: farmers are out there, they're the ones trying to protect
21:57
Speaker 2: their property. Where are the statements in this Are they
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Speaker 2: just sitting back saying Okay, well, we've got no choice,
22:03
Speaker 2: We've got to let this happen.
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Speaker 14: Yeah, what the state governments are doing. All I can
22:07
Speaker 14: do is speak on behalf of Queensland. But what happened
22:10
Speaker 14: under the Palichet government and the Stephen Miles government, the
22:13
Speaker 14: previous state governments, they fast tracked dozens and dozens and
22:17
Speaker 14: dozens of these really inappropriate projects and that was done
22:23
Speaker 14: very quickly. And now these projects are hitting the federal
22:27
Speaker 14: government for approval process and I don't expect Murray what
22:31
Speaker 14: to stop any of these projects, and in actual fact,
22:33
Speaker 14: the new EPBC reforms only will actually these reforms will
22:43
Speaker 14: are designed to allow these sort of projects to proceed
22:48
Speaker 14: because the minister will have the powers or the delegate
22:53
Speaker 14: will have the powers to approve projects that are of
22:58
Speaker 14: national significance or national concern. So what we'll see is
23:04
Speaker 14: the federal Environment Minister saying that all renewable projects are
23:09
Speaker 14: of federal priority and they all need to be fast tracked,
23:14
Speaker 14: regardless of how bi diverse the forests are, that there
23:18
Speaker 14: being that these projects are going into and that's the reality,
23:21
Speaker 14: and it's it's absolutely crazy.
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Speaker 2: It's an absolute disgrace, and all we can do is
23:28
Speaker 2: keep talking about it. But I appreciate your time tonight, Stephen,
23:31
Speaker 2: thank you very much for that We'll keep an eye
23:32
Speaker 2: on it after the break. Expert analysis on what next
23:35
Speaker 2: for Iran as the regime lashes out further threatening a
23:39
Speaker 2: broader conflict. Plus, is a people's revolution really possible without
23:44
Speaker 2: putting boots on the ground in Iran? That's all to come.
23:51
Speaker 2: Welcome back to Steve Price with your great dust up
23:53
Speaker 2: in the Senate late today between Pauline Hansen and Lydia Thorpole.
23:57
Speaker 2: Play that audio for you shortly. Like the behavior sometimes
24:02
Speaker 2: in Parliament's just outrageous. I want to go back to
24:05
Speaker 2: the strikes on Iran obviously and the widening conflict. The
24:08
Speaker 2: story is going to be with us for many, many,
24:11
Speaker 2: many weeks, I think. Look in not long ago, Router's
24:15
Speaker 2: apparently has reported and I heard Chris Kenny mention this
24:18
Speaker 2: smoke scene rising in the vicinity of the US embassy
24:21
Speaker 2: in Kuwait. And there is also video that has emerged
24:25
Speaker 2: that Iranian media claim is a down to US F
24:29
Speaker 2: fifteen aircraft over Kuwait. However that is yet to be
24:34
Speaker 2: independently verified. A separate video, which The New York Times reports,
24:38
Speaker 2: shows one of the pilots descending with his parachute. This
24:41
Speaker 2: is at a spot along highway seventy, about seven kilometers
24:45
Speaker 2: from the reported crash. Shite joining me now for his analysis,
24:49
Speaker 2: Former Army Director General, retired Brigadier Ian Langford Ian, great
24:53
Speaker 2: to have your expertise with us. How hard is it
24:56
Speaker 2: to actually confirm with those images what the Iranian media
25:03
Speaker 2: is saying? It is.
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Speaker 13: Well given the amount of misinformation that Iran and its
25:09
Speaker 13: media agencies are employing to include, you know, I suppose
25:13
Speaker 13: it hits on US carrier strike groups, which were clearly
25:16
Speaker 13: false yesterday.
25:17
Speaker 10: I think it's probably wise.
25:18
Speaker 13: On the part of anyone everyone to wait until the
25:21
Speaker 13: US military accounts for its inventory and can confirm this
25:25
Speaker 13: incident one way or another. The downing of a jet,
25:29
Speaker 13: whilst unfortunate, always is not necessarily significant in the sense
25:34
Speaker 13: of the overall campaign. But nonetheless it's a propaganda attempt
25:38
Speaker 13: on the part of the Iranians to achieve a victory
25:41
Speaker 13: where potentially there isn't one. So probably prudent in the
25:44
Speaker 13: first instance, I wait until the US Navy or the
25:47
Speaker 13: US Department of War confirms it or otherwise. But let's
25:51
Speaker 13: focus on not trusting anything the Iranians say and allowing
25:55
Speaker 13: the facts to reveal themselves before we make assumptions and
25:57
Speaker 13: go forward from there.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
26:00
Speaker 2: I mean, this is a regime that's even talked about
26:02
Speaker 2: storing bodies that Aid themselves have killed so that they
26:07
Speaker 2: can wheel them out and say, look what the Israelis
26:10
Speaker 2: have done. Look how many people they've killed in this
26:11
Speaker 2: house or this school or hospital. I mean, so you've
26:14
Speaker 2: got to be so so careful. I'm sure the US,
26:16
Speaker 2: if that's real, will let us know reasonably quickly. What
26:19
Speaker 2: did you make of the military strategy. We've been told
26:22
Speaker 2: that within three days they have hit more than one
26:25
Speaker 2: thousand Iranian targets. In your with your great experience, how
26:30
Speaker 2: successful do you believe this has been? Well?
26:33
Speaker 13: I think this latest campaign on the part of the
26:37
Speaker 13: Americans in Israelis really follows the earlier Twelve Day war.
26:40
Speaker 10: It's probably fair to say that Iranian air.
26:43
Speaker 13: Defense systems have been utterly destroyed and their integrated air
26:47
Speaker 13: and missile defense system is no longer functional. It's probably
26:50
Speaker 13: reasonable to say that most of their commander control system
26:53
Speaker 13: has been temporarily, if not permanently disabled, to include obviously
26:57
Speaker 13: the decapitation operations against key leadership and key military command
27:03
Speaker 13: and control centers.
27:04
Speaker 10: And now we're seeing.
27:05
Speaker 13: Really the US and Israeli air power systems consolidate control
27:11
Speaker 13: across the skies of Iran to their deal with some
27:14
Speaker 13: of those remaining threats as it relates to long range
27:17
Speaker 13: strike missiles that we're seeing coming out of Iran and
27:20
Speaker 13: targeting states across the Gulf and as far as Cyprus,
27:23
Speaker 13: which obviously impact the British and their bases there. So
27:27
Speaker 13: we're seeing the decapitation of leadership, the destruction of the
27:30
Speaker 13: commander control centers, the end of their air defense system,
27:33
Speaker 13: and now a consolidation on the part of the Americans
27:36
Speaker 13: to really confirm air control over Iran to then eliminate
27:39
Speaker 13: that missile threat which is still threatening surrounding states.
27:44
Speaker 2: I've heard this comment a few times today Ian where
27:48
Speaker 2: people ask is it possible to create regime change from
27:52
Speaker 2: the air? I mean, you and I were around when
27:55
Speaker 2: Iraq happened, and obviously that required American troops on the ground.
28:00
Speaker 2: Can you do it from the air alone?
28:03
Speaker 13: Not classically, No, And we've got examples from recent conflict.
28:06
Speaker 13: If you consider the ninety three day air campaign over
28:09
Speaker 13: Bosnia and the former Yugoslavia in the nineties, which was
28:12
Speaker 13: followed by a three day ground war. If you consider
28:15
Speaker 13: the US air campaign in the First Golf War, which
28:17
Speaker 13: was followed essentially by a Grand Conflict which lasted ninety
28:21
Speaker 13: six hours. For regime change to be absolute, there needs
28:25
Speaker 13: to be a change in presence in terms of a
28:28
Speaker 13: security provider being replaced by another. And in the context
28:33
Speaker 13: of the current situation, you've got the Kuds Force and
28:36
Speaker 13: other security elements in their hundreds of thousands that still
28:39
Speaker 13: to some degree have control on the ground, and there
28:42
Speaker 13: now needs to be an alternate security provider or an
28:45
Speaker 13: alternate form of government. If it is true and many
28:49
Speaker 13: members of the Kuds Force, for example, want to surrender,
28:51
Speaker 13: the question is who do they surrender to. What is
28:54
Speaker 13: their viable sort of way out as opposed to doubling
28:58
Speaker 13: down and fighting to the bit around. So a regime
29:01
Speaker 13: change really can't occur in an absolute sense unless there's
29:05
Speaker 13: an alternate security provider on the ground.
29:08
Speaker 10: Air control is essential to doing that.
29:10
Speaker 13: I suspect that the Americans and to some degree the
29:12
Speaker 13: Israelis have a plan for this, and those opposition forces,
29:17
Speaker 13: I would estimate, would be getting organized now in Iran
29:20
Speaker 13: to provide an alternate for the remaining security forces and
29:24
Speaker 13: those that seek to cling to power to either be
29:28
Speaker 13: deposed by or for the great masses of Iran to
29:32
Speaker 13: switch their support to.
29:35
Speaker 2: Just finally, is Israel capable of going in with troops
29:38
Speaker 2: on the ground. Is that what you're hinting at? Perhaps?
29:41
Speaker 10: No, not at all.
29:43
Speaker 13: And again I mean, given the population of Iran over
29:46
Speaker 13: ninety million people and the new need for regime change
29:50
Speaker 13: to provide the kind of security and essential services that
29:53
Speaker 13: Savian populations need to be able to believe in alternate
29:56
Speaker 13: forms of government, this will have to come from within.
29:59
Speaker 13: This will need to be in a Iranian led opposition
30:02
Speaker 13: movement that will oust the Mullers and this regime and
30:05
Speaker 13: be replaced temporarily by an alternate security provider. The alternate
30:10
Speaker 13: to that is civil war, where we'll see a power
30:12
Speaker 13: struggle between current and emerging key security providers, in which
30:17
Speaker 13: case the entire region will remain unstable and the consequences
30:21
Speaker 13: will last into the months and years.
30:23
Speaker 10: So let's hope the Iranians are.
30:24
Speaker 13: Able to effectively rise up against the leftover elements of
30:29
Speaker 13: the regime, provide an alternate form of government, and then
30:32
Speaker 13: see a new Iran emerge as a result.
30:36
Speaker 2: Great to catch up with you, Ian, Thank you very
30:37
Speaker 2: much for that means quite right to point out there.
30:39
Speaker 2: I mean, you've got to remind yourselves as ninety million
30:41
Speaker 2: people in Iran, let's take a look now at what
30:44
Speaker 2: might happen internally in Iran. That continued that conversation. The
30:48
Speaker 2: strikes have already taken out around fifty of the top religious,
30:52
Speaker 2: civilian and military leadership, all importantly Aetola Hamoni. But is
30:58
Speaker 2: that enough to do? Ian was just suggesting they're joining
31:01
Speaker 2: me now. The Director of Strategic Analysis Australia, Michael Shubridge, Michael,
31:05
Speaker 2: I want to get onto that in a moment. I
31:07
Speaker 2: just wanted to get your view on what Barnaby Joyce
31:10
Speaker 2: said today that this should be a wake up call
31:12
Speaker 2: to Australia that we're so ill prepared for to defend ourselves.
31:16
Speaker 2: We've only got sort of four or five weeks of
31:19
Speaker 2: you know, diesel, petrol and oil. I mean, should this
31:23
Speaker 2: be a wake up call for our government?
31:27
Speaker 15: Well, Steve, I don't know how many wake up calls
31:30
Speaker 15: the government has already slept through. So yes, this is
31:33
Speaker 15: another one. But everything across our military strategy is changed
31:38
Speaker 15: by changes in the world in the last few years,
31:41
Speaker 15: and we've pretended nothing has changed. So you write about
31:44
Speaker 15: fuel stocks, but missile stocks, drone adoption, it's all the
31:48
Speaker 15: same story. This government is acting as if time is
31:51
Speaker 15: its friend and as if they've got twenty years to
31:55
Speaker 15: do what they should be doing in two.
31:58
Speaker 2: Yeah, And they're acting as if one phone called a
32:01
Speaker 2: Donald Trump will mean the Americans are going to come
32:03
Speaker 2: rushing to our able. That's no longer necessarily the way
32:07
Speaker 2: it's all going to happen. We're talking there about trying
32:11
Speaker 2: to get a change of government in Iran, whether you
32:14
Speaker 2: can get regime change. This has been a very successful
32:18
Speaker 2: military operation so far twenty four or forty eight hours in.
32:22
Speaker 2: Do you think Uranian people have the capacity to push
32:25
Speaker 2: the Mullers out and take control of their own country.
32:31
Speaker 15: I hope so, But none of the facts tell me
32:34
Speaker 15: that they do. Ian Langford mentioned all of the weapons
32:38
Speaker 15: are in the hands of the regime and its security forces,
32:41
Speaker 15: the army, the Revolutionary Guard Corps, the police, and the
32:46
Speaker 15: religious militia.
32:47
Speaker 10: The basiege.
32:48
Speaker 15: They're the people that were willing to use batons and
32:51
Speaker 15: automatic weapons on their own people just a month ago.
32:54
Speaker 15: They don't show any signs of changing that. And the
32:57
Speaker 15: air strikes are destroying missiles and senior leaders, but leaving
33:01
Speaker 15: all of those armed people that are willing to repress
33:05
Speaker 15: their population in place.
33:08
Speaker 2: We're surprised that they turned on their friends in the Golf,
33:13
Speaker 2: or if not friends, you know, the regimes in the
33:17
Speaker 2: Golf that have sort of quietly supported Iran in the background,
33:20
Speaker 2: places like the UAE, you know, Saudi Arabia, those places.
33:25
Speaker 2: I mean, did that surprise you that suddenly you've got
33:27
Speaker 2: missiles raining down on Dubai?
33:32
Speaker 15: Not really, because the Gulf States are key host to
33:36
Speaker 15: the American military.
33:38
Speaker 10: And also we talk about.
33:40
Speaker 15: Precision in war and precision missiles and drones, but in
33:44
Speaker 15: actual war things are much messier. So even if the
33:48
Speaker 15: Iranians wanted to surgically target the Israelis and the Americans,
33:52
Speaker 15: they're going to damage and kill the civilian population in
33:56
Speaker 15: the places that host these bases.
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Speaker 2: Where do you think, Michael, we're at with Iran's nuclear program?
34:03
Speaker 2: I mean, Donald Trump seemed to hint that even though
34:06
Speaker 2: they had taken out a lot of the nuclear infrastructure
34:09
Speaker 2: in that twelve day war, that the Iranians were back
34:11
Speaker 2: trying to get it up and running. And he often
34:13
Speaker 2: talks about you do not want a dangerous regime like
34:16
Speaker 2: that one having a nuclear weapon. Do you think they
34:19
Speaker 2: were back in the nuclear business.
34:22
Speaker 15: I don't think they were ever out of it. I
34:24
Speaker 15: don't think their stocks have highly enriched uranium, about four
34:27
Speaker 15: hundred kilos of it was ever accounted for, and they
34:30
Speaker 15: were building other facilities, including one that was even more
34:34
Speaker 15: deeply buried than the Americans, really damaged badly. So they
34:39
Speaker 15: never stopped their nuclear program. It got set back.
34:44
Speaker 2: It was great to catch up, Michael. Thank you very much.
34:46
Speaker 2: I'm sure we'll be hearing plenty more from you as
34:48
Speaker 2: this unfolds. Now after the break, we're going to take
34:51
Speaker 2: you to Israel as the population there yet again comes
34:54
Speaker 2: under sustained missile fire, this time from Hezbala. So how
34:58
Speaker 2: long can the Iron Dome sustain the latest bombardments. We'll
35:03
Speaker 2: take you to Israel upter the break, Welcome back to
35:09
Speaker 2: Steve Price with you. I want to take you to Israel. Now.
35:11
Speaker 2: Many Israelis have been forced into bomb shelters in the
35:15
Speaker 2: past twenty four hours. The population's again been forced to
35:18
Speaker 2: endure the retribution from the faltering Iranians. Hesblas started firing
35:24
Speaker 2: rockets into Tel Aviv. They're seeking revenge obviously for what
35:27
Speaker 2: happened across the weekend. Now, Fleur Hassan Nahoum is former
35:32
Speaker 2: Deputy Mayor at Jerusalem and currently the Special Envoy for
35:35
Speaker 2: Trade and Innovation plus Civil Preparedness and joins US now.
35:41
Speaker 2: She is on the line from Israel. Flur, welcome, how
35:44
Speaker 2: you're holding up? What's the situation in Israel at the
35:48
Speaker 2: moment in regard to missiles being fired at you?
35:53
Speaker 16: Well, actually, last night we've got a bit of a respite.
35:55
Speaker 16: We had about five hours continuous sleep with Noah Arms.
36:00
Speaker 16: Before that, just before we went to bed. The whole
36:03
Speaker 16: evening we were running into shelters, and this morning we
36:07
Speaker 16: started around six thirty. So I've been in a shelter
36:10
Speaker 16: already three times since we woke up this morning.
36:12
Speaker 17: But at least we got a night's sleep.
36:14
Speaker 16: Unfortunately, last night we had a Yesterday afternoon we had
36:18
Speaker 16: a very tragic situation where there was a direct hit
36:21
Speaker 16: on a bunker or family of four children and the
36:25
Speaker 16: parents all dead. Nine people dead, ten people still missing,
36:29
Speaker 16: and so you know, we're really paying the price in
36:32
Speaker 16: civilian deaths here.
36:35
Speaker 2: So clearly, I mean, the Iron Dome is a magnificent
36:37
Speaker 2: piece of infrastructure, but it's not It can't stop every
36:42
Speaker 2: missile coming into Israel. There were reports today that Hezbollah
36:47
Speaker 2: has started firing again out of Lebanon.
36:49
Speaker 16: Is that right, Yes, husband has fired about fifteen rockets
36:54
Speaker 16: out of Lebanon. And when you think about what happened
36:57
Speaker 16: on October eighth when they joined in the war of
37:01
Speaker 16: October seventh, the massacre, they you know, they are firing
37:06
Speaker 16: a lot less. And so there's a lot of talk
37:08
Speaker 16: here in Israel whether they're doing it to kind of
37:10
Speaker 16: pay attax to the Islamic regime in Iran for giving
37:14
Speaker 16: them a billion dollars over the last year to kind
37:17
Speaker 16: of you know, build themselves up since the war against Israel.
37:22
Speaker 16: Because in terms of Risbola, that's kind of a week ago.
37:26
Speaker 16: We're grateful, of course, because we don't want our communities
37:29
Speaker 16: up north in the country to be threatened.
37:32
Speaker 17: But you know, it could have been a lot worse.
37:34
Speaker 16: And you could say that, of course, since Israel eliminated
37:36
Speaker 16: their leader Hassansrala, and we've severely diminished their attack capabilities.
37:44
Speaker 17: This is what they've got to show for.
37:46
Speaker 16: Themselves now and they almost don't want to be involved,
37:49
Speaker 16: but they're doing it. Because they have to show the
37:53
Speaker 16: Islamic Republic of Iran that they're doing something.
37:55
Speaker 17: So that's the assessment here.
37:58
Speaker 2: How delighted were you when you hear that the Supreme
38:01
Speaker 2: leader and about forty of his senior officials had been
38:05
Speaker 2: wiped out? They're all gathered in the one place. Apparently
38:08
Speaker 2: the CIA and Mossaid got the information they knew they
38:11
Speaker 2: were there, they bought the operation forward to daylight hours
38:14
Speaker 2: and just took them all out. How much better off
38:17
Speaker 2: is the earth, the world, all of us with those
38:20
Speaker 2: people gone?
38:22
Speaker 16: Well, you know, you can answer the question by saying,
38:24
Speaker 16: how much better off is the earth without Hitler and
38:26
Speaker 16: all the senior and Nazi leadership.
38:28
Speaker 17: That's what we're talking about here.
38:29
Speaker 16: We're talking about people who killed fifty thousand of their
38:33
Speaker 16: own people.
38:34
Speaker 17: Forget who they claimed the enemy is of their own people.
38:39
Speaker 16: When their own soldiers couldn't do it, they brought in
38:42
Speaker 16: mercenaries from other country to go into hospitals and kill
38:47
Speaker 16: protesters in their beds as they were healing from getting
38:51
Speaker 16: beaten up. These are the monsters we're talking about here.
38:55
Speaker 16: These are the monsters who take women who show a
38:57
Speaker 16: strand of hair, torture, rape, them and kill them in captivity.
39:03
Speaker 16: These are the people that take gay people. They put
39:05
Speaker 16: them on cranes in the streets to show everyone.
39:09
Speaker 17: These are the people that kill parents in front of
39:10
Speaker 17: their children.
39:11
Speaker 16: These are the same monsters that killed Israelis, innocent Israelis
39:16
Speaker 16: on October seventh. We are talking about a venomous version
39:20
Speaker 16: of jihadi Islamist extremism. And this is what the earth
39:26
Speaker 16: has to get read for our generations, for the future
39:30
Speaker 16: of humanity.
39:31
Speaker 17: We've got to get rid of this threat.
39:34
Speaker 2: Well said Fleura, I'd like to catch up with you
39:36
Speaker 2: later in the week if we can. Thank you very much.
39:38
Speaker 2: Stay safe, make sure you keep away for those missiles,
39:41
Speaker 2: and get down to those bunk as well. She's absolutely correct,
39:44
Speaker 2: I mean, who's worried about those people being murdered? Coming up,
39:47
Speaker 2: Pauline Hanson under fire in the Senate, with Labor moving
39:50
Speaker 2: to censure the One Nation leader in the hope it
39:54
Speaker 2: might stymy the party's increasing popularity One Nation to having
39:58
Speaker 2: none of that. Our Monday Night handler Up next, Welcome
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Speaker 2: back Andrew Bowl coming up with his latest take on
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Speaker 2: the new war in the Middle East. Andrew at the
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Speaker 2: top of the hour, let's go back to politics. So
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Speaker 2: in Camballa today Senator Pauline Hanson One Nation leader and
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Speaker 2: obviously both the Coalition and Labor are now getting very
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Speaker 2: worried about One Nation's polling numbers. Though they bought on
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Speaker 2: a censure motion in the Senate today with a vote
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Speaker 2: of thirty six to seventeen. Obviously Labor and the Greens combined.
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Speaker 2: I think there was even a couple of Liberals who
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Speaker 2: might have crossed the floor over Pauline's quote of inflammatory
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Speaker 2: and divisive recent comments about Australian Muslims. Now, let's bring
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Speaker 2: our panelists, former Liberal MP Nicole Flint from South Australia
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Speaker 2: in and One Nation chief of Staff. Good to have
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Speaker 2: him with us, James Ashby, Welcome to you both, James.
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Speaker 2: Another poll today shows the search to One Nation continues.
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Speaker 2: That's news poll. This is really I think starting to
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Speaker 2: worry Labor and the actions that they're taking, including this
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Speaker 2: censure motion, would say that they're getting very worried.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, I tend to agree with you, Steve. The reality
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Speaker 8: here is Labor have put another foot wrong. They are
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Speaker 8: on side of terrorists coming back into this country. As
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Speaker 8: we know, they are in support of the ISIS Bride's
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Speaker 8: coming back.
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Speaker 12: No matter which way they try and spin this.
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Speaker 8: They say that they've got a legal avenue and a
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Speaker 8: legal right to come back to Australia. But they've made
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Speaker 8: no attempt this week already to try and shut the
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Speaker 8: gate on extremists from entering Australia, let alone those who
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Speaker 8: willingly left country to go and fight for ISIS. And
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Speaker 8: to think that they could censure Pauline Hanson in the
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Speaker 8: same fashion they did prior to Christmas, where she was
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Speaker 8: kicked out of the Parliament for five days, they did
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Speaker 8: it again today.
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Speaker 12: They are losing votes.
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Speaker 8: They're blue collar worker voters that are living on construction
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Speaker 8: sites and in mind sights across this country. They are
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Speaker 8: the ones that are coming to one nation. The millennials,
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Speaker 8: the boomers, of course they're already over. But you've got
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Speaker 8: a whole cohort of people who used to vote labor,
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Speaker 8: but Labor have forgotten their grassroots, they've forgotten who they
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Speaker 8: stand for. And this this is a real own goal
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Speaker 8: for Labor and for those Liberal Party members who voted
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Speaker 8: with them.
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Speaker 12: Today's shame on you as well.
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Speaker 8: It just goes to the heart of why the Liberal
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Speaker 8: Party is still in shambles as well, because it appears
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Speaker 8: that Angus Taylor hasn't been able to pull his people
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Speaker 8: together and find a united front on where to stand
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Speaker 8: on the center motion either.
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Speaker 2: Even in the great socialist state of Victoria, the one
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Speaker 2: nation numbers are surging, and that doesn't surprise me, Nicole.
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Speaker 2: I want to get your view about this exchange between
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Speaker 2: Senator Pauline Hanson and our old mate Lydia Thorpe. Hello, look,
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Speaker 2: she's got me bitch.
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Speaker 15: Senator Thoughpe, do you have a point of order?
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Speaker 12: I do.
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Speaker 10: I just got called a bitch by the racist.
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Speaker 2: I just got called a bitch by the racist. I
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Speaker 2: think Pauline actually apologized, but I mean that's not the
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Speaker 2: sort of behavior we want in our Australian Senate, is it, Nicole?
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Speaker 18: No, of course it's not, Steve, and really do we
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Speaker 18: have to keep putting up with Senator Lydia Thorpe, the
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Speaker 18: range of controversy she has attracted over so many years.
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Speaker 18: I just sincerely hope that she is voted out as
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Speaker 18: soon as possible, because we've all had enough of her
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Speaker 18: stunts and her quite frankly rubbish. So the less we
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Speaker 18: hear of Senator Thorpe the better. Let's focus on looking
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Speaker 18: after the Australian people and actually addressing the issues that
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Speaker 18: are most important to them at the moment, not least
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Speaker 18: of all cost of living.
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Speaker 2: Nicole, what did you make of Anthony Alberici's popularity figures
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Speaker 2: in that newspot I mentioned that was out this morning?
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Speaker 18: Well, are we surprise again? Number one issue for voters,
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Speaker 18: as it has been for years now, is cost of living,
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Speaker 18: followed by healthcare, followed by housing affordability, followed by immigration,
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Speaker 18: followed by crime and national security concerns. So the Prime
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Speaker 18: Minister cannot get it right on any front. And of
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Speaker 18: course at the same time we have interest rates going up,
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Speaker 18: we have record government spending, the likes of which we
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Speaker 18: have not seen for forty years. So yeah, these polls
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Speaker 18: are well deserved and I look forward to everyone holding
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Speaker 18: the Prime Minister to account for his many failures.
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Speaker 2: James and other pole Redbridge's got the coalition stuck at
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Speaker 2: a record low nineteen percent. Angus Taylor really hasn't given
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Speaker 2: them much of a boost when he's taken over that job.
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Speaker 2: But it's because to the point that you make, he's
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Speaker 2: not talking to the people who've deserted him and the
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Speaker 2: coalition had come to one nation. He's not talking about
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Speaker 2: the issues that worry those people.
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Speaker 8: Look I noted today during question time the government and
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Speaker 8: the opposition leaders, we're both very quick to congratulate and
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Speaker 8: say how much hard work olympians and sports people put
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Speaker 8: into achievements that they've made, and look all the best
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Speaker 8: to them. But when you have a look at the
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Speaker 8: hard work that is currently underway right now across small
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Speaker 8: business in this country that are barely keeping their heads
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Speaker 8: above water. I've spoken to a number of cafes and
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Speaker 8: food outlets recently, Steve, and there's a golden rule in hospitality,
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Speaker 8: and that is your wages you should be sitting at
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Speaker 8: around thirty percent. But in most cases now most of
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Speaker 8: the hospitality industry are sitting somewhere around that fifty five percent.
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Speaker 8: And why is that because of cost of living. And
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Speaker 8: the reason behind that is so many of their staff
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Speaker 8: are coming to them and saying, listen, we need more hours.
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Speaker 8: We are not surviving and the businesses are trying to
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Speaker 8: keep good staff as they would and to do that
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Speaker 8: they're putting them on, but it's coming at a cost
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Speaker 8: of small business. I think we're going to see some
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Speaker 8: significant losses in the business sector moving forward. This is
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Speaker 8: traditionally an area that the Coalition would stand by, but
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Speaker 8: they've forgotten small business, they've forgotten business in general, and
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Speaker 8: that's where One Nation are picking up the slack.
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Speaker 12: And that's precisely who's supporting us.
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Speaker 8: We're getting the donations from mum and dad, businesses, big business,
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Speaker 8: and then regular rossies that are still doing it tough.
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Speaker 8: They might be smaller donations, but you know what, people
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Speaker 8: see hope in One Nation and they're willing to put
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Speaker 8: their money where their mouths are and they're supporting us
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Speaker 8: all the way. And that's why I think you're seeing
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Speaker 8: those polling results. They're not going anywhere. I think they're
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Speaker 8: rusted on now One Nation for at least this next election.
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Speaker 2: Nicole, We're going to have some pretty stark answers, I
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Speaker 2: think as to whether the One Nation resurgence is real
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Speaker 2: as James is telling us it is. You've got a
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Speaker 2: by election coming up in the seat in the pan
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Speaker 2: in Victoria, and of course you've got the South Australian election.
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Speaker 2: What's your sense of One Nation's popularity in your state?
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Speaker 18: Well, Steve, we won't truly know until election day here
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Speaker 18: in South Australia. Yes, One Nation is polling well in
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Speaker 18: terms of the newspaper polls. However, that doesn't necessarily translate
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Speaker 18: seats to votes in key seats and a critical massive
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Speaker 18: votes in key seats on the day, So we will
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Speaker 18: just wait and see. I'm still very hopeful that the
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Speaker 18: South Australian Liberal team will have a good result. Ashton
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Speaker 18: Hearn is doing an outstanding job on our behalf in
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Speaker 18: very difficult circumstances. And I would just say to voters
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Speaker 18: out there, do you understand what the entire One Nation
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Speaker 18: policy offering is.
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Speaker 12: We know they're really.
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Speaker 18: Good on a few certain issues, but what about the economy,
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Speaker 18: what about healthcare? What about education? That's what I'm not
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Speaker 18: hearing from them about.
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Speaker 8: When you've got real leadership from people like Cory Benardi
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Speaker 8: who have got a history of being very strong in
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Speaker 8: South Australia. He's not backwards in coming forward. And Nicole
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Speaker 8: you know he's history and you know how very good
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Speaker 8: he is. He's a much better performer unfortunately than your
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Speaker 8: leader and story for her, she's been handed a dog.
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Speaker 8: But anyhow, we'll see, as you say, elections coming up, Yeah,
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Speaker 8: there are.
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Speaker 18: Your full policy offering because we need to say it
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Speaker 18: on the on the actual foundational issues.
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Speaker 8: Like do in South Australia. I'm very happy for you
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Speaker 8: to go and read them.
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Speaker 2: Very good, very good. Thank you very much both of you,
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Speaker 2: and I'll see you next Monday on the program Peter's
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Speaker 2: Caving A few days off. I've got to tell you,
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Speaker 2: by the way, the Victorian Premier Jacinta Allan more than
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Speaker 2: doubled her Instagram followers in one day and wants us
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Speaker 2: to believe that these people were not either paid or
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Speaker 2: AI was somehow involved. I mean, and at a Greek
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Speaker 2: festival on the weekend she was booed by the Greek
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Speaker 2: people in the crowd. Andrew bolts up next