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'MOMMY' Sends Tot Elijah Vue to TORTURE CAMP WITH CONVICT LOVER, Court Imminent · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Do you remember the name
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  Speaker 1: Elijah View?
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  Speaker 2: I do.
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  Speaker 1: Elijah is a three year old Wisconsin boy who seemingly
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  Speaker 1: vanished in February. In the last hours, a bombshell development
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  Speaker 1: in the case of three year old Elijah View. I'm
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  Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thanks for being with
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  Speaker 1: us here at Crime Stories and on Sirius x one eleven.
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  Speaker 1: In the last hours, Elijah View's mother's boyfriend ordered to
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  Speaker 1: stand trial on neglect. According to reports, the boyfriend was
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  Speaker 1: the one caring for the three year old taught when
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  Speaker 1: he seemingly vanished into thin air. After hearing testimony from
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  Speaker 1: two law enforcement officers, a county judge rules there is
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  Speaker 1: enough evidence to move forward with the case against thirty
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  Speaker 1: nine year old Jesse Vang and baby Elijah View's disappearance.
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  Speaker 1: The judge also wisely denied a defense motion to drop
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  Speaker 1: the case against Vang. Boy, they got a lot of
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  Speaker 1: nerve asking the judge to throw the case out.
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  Speaker 2: Uh uh.
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  Speaker 1: The two Rivers, Wisconsin man formally charged in February with
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  Speaker 1: one felony count of party to a crime child neglect
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  Speaker 1: in Elijah's disappearance. Now Vang is the boyfriend of Elijah's mother,
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  Speaker 1: if you can call her that, Katrina Bower of Wisconsin
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  Speaker 1: Dell's who was charged also in February with one felony
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  Speaker 1: count of party to a crime child neglect, two counts
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  Speaker 1: resisting or obstructing an officer. Now, as you recall, little
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  Speaker 1: Elijah was last seen at a residence in Two Rivers,
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  Speaker 1: thirty miles southeast of Green Bay, where Bower, thirty one,
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  Speaker 1: left her son to stay with Vang with a long
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  Speaker 1: criminal history, because she wanted to teach the youngster at
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  Speaker 1: the little boy three years old to quote be a man.
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  Speaker 3: Really.
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  Speaker 1: First of all, I want you to hear what we
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  Speaker 1: know right now from the police chief.
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  Speaker 2: Listen, this child.
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  Speaker 4: Was three years old and was reported missing a cold
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  Speaker 4: winter temperature day with only a blanket and possibly light clothing,
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  Speaker 4: and we knew at that time possibly three to four hours.
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  Speaker 4: I define that as endangered.
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  Speaker 5: I immediately reached out, with the assistance of my staff,
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  Speaker 5: to the Division of Criminal Investigation.
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  Speaker 3: This is not about me.
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  Speaker 4: This has always been about bringing Elijah home.
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  Speaker 3: And quickly they.
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  Speaker 4: Led that investigation into his wareboats with the support of
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  Speaker 4: our FBI. We also utilized almost any bullet U TV
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  Speaker 4: Drone Kean and even National Guard pelicachleers to search for Elijah.
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  Speaker 3: Unfortunately, Elijah wasn't.
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  Speaker 1: With me an all star panel to make sense of
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  Speaker 1: what we know right now. But first to Aisha Morales
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  Speaker 1: joining us WBAYTV two out of Green Bay.
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  Speaker 2: Aisha, thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 1: I want to talk about, first of all, when did
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  Speaker 1: he go missing?
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  Speaker 2: Go missing? And when was he reported missing?
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  Speaker 1: What do we know, Aisha, because those two moments in
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  Speaker 1: time could be very, very different.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: So initially when we got these reports, we were learning
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  Speaker 7: that it was February twentieth, so a week ago yesterday,
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  Speaker 7: February twentieth. From what we know now with the criminal complaints,
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  Speaker 7: there is a discrepancy, and we reported on that here
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  Speaker 7: in Green Bay and talking about how Vang initially told
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  Speaker 7: police that he went missing around eleven eight on February twentieth,
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  Speaker 7: and then the story did change a little bit, and
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  Speaker 7: now we know that he actually went missing around eight am.
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  Speaker 7: And as you know, any minute a child is gone,
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  Speaker 7: it matters. And so there was that first discrepancy with
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  Speaker 7: regards to the time that he disappeared, or at least
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  Speaker 7: the time that he was reported missing by Van himself.
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  Speaker 1: Hold on, so one report he was missing, he was
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  Speaker 1: gone at eight am on Feb twenty.
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  Speaker 2: What was the other time? I didn't get that? When
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  Speaker 2: was that?
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  Speaker 8: Eleven am? Was the initial report?
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  Speaker 1: Feb twenty is a Tuesday. I'm trying to figure out.
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  Speaker 1: So there's a big discrepancy between eleven am and eight am,
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  Speaker 1: and a lot of people may think, oh, that's just
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  Speaker 1: four hours.
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  Speaker 2: Let me tell you something.
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  Speaker 1: Somebody's driving sixty miles an hour times four, that's two
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  Speaker 1: hundred and forty miles before he's reported missing. And I've
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  Speaker 1: got another problem with that. Let me go out to
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  Speaker 1: Thomas E. Fisher joining us former Milwaukee PD police detective,
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  Speaker 1: now owner of Thomas Fisher Investigations dot com.
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  Speaker 2: Thomas, thank you for being with us. I have a
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  Speaker 2: problem with that because I.
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  Speaker 1: Can tell you right now what time my children wake
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  Speaker 1: up in the morning. My daughter gets up at six
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  Speaker 1: five am, my son gets up at seven five am.
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  Speaker 2: And I know they're up because I go and check
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  Speaker 2: on them.
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  Speaker 1: So how can you, at the best, Thomas Fisher, how
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  Speaker 1: can you not know where your child is for four
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  Speaker 1: hours between eight three hours between eight and eleven if
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  Speaker 1: they're in the home right there, I.
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  Speaker 2: Got a problem.
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  Speaker 9: That's a very good point. Basically, you have somebody that
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  Speaker 9: was not watching this child or support of this trailed
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  Speaker 9: someplace else. Based on what we know and what the
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  Speaker 9: investigation has revealed to date, is that he was disciplined.
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  Speaker 9: Disciplined that should not be given to a three year old.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you know, Thomas Fisher, you are the former Milwaukee
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  Speaker 1: police and detective and you are the owner, let me say,
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  Speaker 1: a highly successful private investigative firm. But you left out
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  Speaker 1: another glaring possibility.
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  Speaker 2: They're lying. You said either they weren't.
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  Speaker 1: Watching them or something about the time discrepancy, or they're lying.
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  Speaker 1: And can I just point out to you, Daryl Cohen,
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  Speaker 1: jumping off what Fisher just said. You're the former prosecutor
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  Speaker 1: now veteran defense attorney, Darryl Cohen, what do you do?
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  Speaker 1: How do you explain that to a jury, if there
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  Speaker 1: ever is one, how you weren't watching your child in
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  Speaker 1: your own home.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's not that hard in your own home
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  Speaker 2: to know where.
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  Speaker 1: Your child is for three hours. Coincidentally, on the very
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  Speaker 1: day he goes missing. A three year old shouldn't be
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  Speaker 1: out of your site.
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  Speaker 3: Darryl Nancy at the age of three, he or she
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  Speaker 3: in this case, he doesn't have to be out of
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  Speaker 3: your sight for you to know where he is, because
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  Speaker 3: you hear the noises that he's making, the absolute chaos
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  Speaker 3: that comes with a three year old. So you don't
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  Speaker 3: explain that to a jury. You have to keep your
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  Speaker 3: damn big mouth shut and not say anything. But it's
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  Speaker 3: really sad that he has disappeared, and we hope that
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  Speaker 3: he will be located and located, alive and located. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: there's no excuse for parenting the way she is trying
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  Speaker 3: to do it. It's non parenting. It's prosecutable nonparenting. You don't
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  Speaker 3: have to see your child. Just because you think your
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  Speaker 3: child's in the house doesn't mean he is in the house.
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  Speaker 3: You can be in the kitchen, he may or may
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  Speaker 3: not be in his bedroom. You don't have to look
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  Speaker 3: at him all of the time, you don't have to
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  Speaker 3: hear him all of the time, you don't have to
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  Speaker 3: be with him all the time, and suddenly when you
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  Speaker 3: go look for him, he's not there. That's reasonable, that's explainable.
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  Speaker 3: It's something that you have to deal with.
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  Speaker 2: Daryl Conin, where exactly did you go to law school?
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  Speaker 3: I think the same place you did. That's probably a Macon.
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  Speaker 1: Georgia for an NYU because obviously you didn't get the
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  Speaker 1: class on BS technical legal term. Good luck telling that
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  Speaker 1: to you a jury. You don't have to see your
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  Speaker 1: child to know that he's okay, and you know it's
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  Speaker 1: a miracle. I've met your daughters, beautiful, It's a miracle
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  Speaker 1: they grew up safe and sound and apparently sane when
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  Speaker 1: daddy didn't know where they were half the time. Let's
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  Speaker 1: get back on this case. I'm wandering for a field.
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  Speaker 1: I want to hear more of what the police have
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  Speaker 1: to say about their search efforts, and think about it.
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  Speaker 1: A three year old little boy Wbay and Thomas Fisher.
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  Speaker 2: Want to eat side of Milwaukee.
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  Speaker 1: What were the temperatures around this time feb twenty Tuesday morning,
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  Speaker 1: eight a m. Or eleven, depending on what the parents
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  Speaker 1: feel like saying at that.
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  Speaker 2: Moment, But what was the temp? How cold is it there?
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  Speaker 7: It was a mild day actually in comparison to other
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  Speaker 7: February days. We do remember that, but we also know
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  Speaker 7: that he is forty five pounds or so, so anything
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  Speaker 7: below fifty degrees forty degrees, even though it's mild for
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  Speaker 7: Wisconsin standards, it was still pretty chilly. You would need
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  Speaker 7: a jacket or at least a co and he didn't,
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  Speaker 7: from what I understand, didn't have that.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, wait a minute. You call thirty degrees mild. We
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  Speaker 1: do here in Wisconsin. Okay, I understand that where I'm from,
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  Speaker 1: that is like you're in the Antarctic at thirty degrees. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: So for me, thirty degrees is cold, and I'm wondering
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  Speaker 1: how that would have affected this child hypothermia. Why, but
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  Speaker 1: I'm opening up a whole other can worms. Let's get
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  Speaker 1: back to the search. Listen again to police Chaef be
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  Speaker 1: in my heart.
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  Speaker 5: Those leads, those investigations, everything we've taken as tips have led.
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  Speaker 4: To searching our neighborhoods, searching all.
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  Speaker 5: Our waterways, foot canvases, both urban and rural, throughout Manitoua
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  Speaker 5: County and even beyond. We've searched Wisconsin land and buies,
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  Speaker 5: and we've even had additional leads in Wisconsin.
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  Speaker 4: Does In addition to all those search efforts, I amost
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  Speaker 4: other investigations taking place. I can confirm Elijah's mother, Katrina Bower,
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  Speaker 4: is in jail. I'm charges of child neglect and obstructing.
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  Speaker 4: Katrina's boyfriend, Jesse Bang is in jail on charges of
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  Speaker 4: child neglect and I do know Elijah's father has also
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  Speaker 4: been incarcerated at Ashkosh Correctional Institute in unrelated matters since
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  Speaker 4: twenty twenty three.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome back in the Last Hour's Mommy's Living is ordered
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  Speaker 1: to stand trial and the disappearance of a three year
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  Speaker 1: old Wisconsin boy, Elijah view the mother again that just
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  Speaker 1: sticks in my throat to call her that Katrina Bauer
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  Speaker 1: sent her talk to this convicted felon to quote teach
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  Speaker 1: him to be a man thang. The boyfriend calls police
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  Speaker 1: and reports Elijah missing, telling cops, oh, this is the
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  Speaker 1: oldest one in the book. He took a nap, brought
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  Speaker 1: the three year old in his bed room with him,
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  Speaker 1: but it woke three hours later and Elijah was gone.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: What more do we know about the case?
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  Speaker 1: Joining me is Mike Hadseel, President founder Peace River Canine
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  Speaker 1: Search and Rescue. Do you remember when Kelly Anthony was
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  Speaker 1: found She was murdered by her mother, tot mom Casey Anthony.
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  Speaker 1: She was wrapped and her favorite I believe it was
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  Speaker 1: a Disney princess could have been a Winnie the Pooh blanket.
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  Speaker 1: She had that with her, and you know what, that's
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  Speaker 1: a sign of Mike hadseel that someone connected to the
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  Speaker 1: child killed and Barry disposed of the child because the
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  Speaker 1: child has a personal belonging with the child when it
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  Speaker 1: is discarded or disposed. Mike hadseel, what should the search
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  Speaker 1: be encompassing? This is cold, it's in two rivers, Wisconsin.
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  Speaker 1: There's bodies of water. You hear that they're out, boots
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  Speaker 1: on the ground. They've been walking the neighborhoods. They've searched
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  Speaker 1: the water wasys. I don't know to what extent. Have
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  Speaker 1: they used sonar? Have they used divers to meet waterways?
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  Speaker 1: Or a forest would be an obvious choice to dispose
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  Speaker 1: of a child.
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  Speaker 2: I'm still praying he's alive. Mike Hatzill, where is he?
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  Speaker 10: Well, you have two options on this, So we have
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  Speaker 10: to want to assume that he's alive and he ran away.
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  Speaker 10: So if you did that Chile, children of that age
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  Speaker 10: don't wander far from home. They just want to get
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  Speaker 10: out of site because they want to scare the parent
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  Speaker 10: and you know, shake things up. And so usually we
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  Speaker 10: find that within a half a mile of the house,
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  Speaker 10: usually near a structure, another apartment building or sheds, things
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  Speaker 10: like that. That's usually where we locate him because you're
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  Speaker 10: going to try to stay warm. On the other side,
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  Speaker 10: if something infurious happened and the child was murdered or
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  Speaker 10: died for some reason, they decided to dispose of the remains,
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  Speaker 10: he's going to be Oh gosh, where are you going
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  Speaker 10: to start. I mean, there's so much wooded area around there.
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  Speaker 10: There's a lot of rivers. The easiest disposal, of course,
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  Speaker 10: would be in the rivers. One of the disturbing facts
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  Speaker 10: that came up was the shoe that was found in
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  Speaker 10: one of the dumpsters that they say may belong to
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  Speaker 10: the child, which I do believe led to the landfill
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  Speaker 10: search that they were working on. If that's happened, then
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  Speaker 10: they're going to have to move quickly because the remains
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  Speaker 10: won't last long and that landfill.
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  Speaker 1: You know, Mike Hatsel, everything you said is perfectly correct, but.
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  Speaker 2: Horrible.
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  Speaker 1: Aisha Morales w b A Y TV two, Please tell
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  Speaker 1: me about the landfill search.
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  Speaker 7: Sure, So, as soon as they were told that the shoe,
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  Speaker 7: like you said, the shoe was there was found, they
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  Speaker 7: initiated that landfill search. I remember that day and our
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  Speaker 7: partner Station Milwaukee was able to get aerial shots of that.
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  Speaker 8: They had love.
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  Speaker 7: They had people searching, investigators there, it didn't seem to
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  Speaker 7: amount to much. We haven't actually spoken about the landfill search.
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  Speaker 7: It's been nothing but people the community searching. But as
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  Speaker 7: far as the landfill, we have not heard anything about
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  Speaker 7: what they possibly found if they continued to search. But
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  Speaker 7: even after a day, it was kind of quiet at
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  Speaker 7: the landfill.
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  Speaker 1: To i Asha Morales w ba Y TV too, where
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  Speaker 1: is that landfill as it relates to where the boyfriend
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  Speaker 1: was keeping Elijah.
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  Speaker 7: It shouldn't be too far away. I think it's within
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  Speaker 7: the same hour or so for the county. But that's
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  Speaker 7: just it. There could be multiple landfills too. I know
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  Speaker 7: that some people were mentioning that trash day, you know.
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  Speaker 8: So that was uncertain.
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  Speaker 7: The thing is is that there is a lot of
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  Speaker 7: miss that leads to some of these searches and landfill.
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  Speaker 8: The landfill included in that.
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  Speaker 7: So I was seeing in a group on Facebook that
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  Speaker 7: a lot of people were.
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  Speaker 8: Chatting about the shoe.
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  Speaker 7: We're chatting about trash Day, and a lot of those
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  Speaker 7: tips led to the landfill search.
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  Speaker 8: But it's not too far from that area.
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  Speaker 1: Why in the world what a woman picked this guy
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  Speaker 1: with mugshots dating back for years to quote discipline her child,
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  Speaker 1: Aisha Morales.
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  Speaker 2: What's on his rap sheet?
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  Speaker 7: There's a lot of different charges including child abuse for sure,
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  Speaker 7: fleeing an officer. You guys have in possession of cocaine,
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  Speaker 7: drug bail jumping, lots of disorderly conduct type of charges,
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  Speaker 7: but child abuse is on there.
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  Speaker 8: So that was one of the first things that we
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  Speaker 8: noticed as well.
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  Speaker 1: Child abuse, fleeing officer, manufacturing, deliver, possession cocaine. That's cocaine
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  Speaker 1: with intent to distribute. That's a major felony. Resisting an officer,
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  Speaker 1: possession cocaine, resisting in officer, bell jumping DC and DUI.
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  Speaker 1: And that's who is going to take care of your child?
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  Speaker 1: Joining me right now, special guests from childhelp dot org.
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  Speaker 1: If you haven't seen it or heard of it, go
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  Speaker 1: online child help one word dot org. Megan Crime is
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  Speaker 1: joining us. Director of Communications, Megan. Do you know how
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  Speaker 1: many millions of people would have paid sixty seventy eighty
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  Speaker 1: one hundred thousand dollars to buy adopt a little boy
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  Speaker 1: like Elijah Vu, But yet these two keep him and
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  Speaker 1: did you see what they did to quote, discipline him,
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  Speaker 1: make him stand for hours on end, saying I'm sorry, mommy,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, mommy, I'm sorry, mommy, I'm sorry, mummy. Forced
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  Speaker 1: to take coal showers, stand for hours on end, stay
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  Speaker 1: in a dirty dipe band from playing with the only
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  Speaker 1: toy he had at Vang's house, a tool kit, because
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  Speaker 1: he was on quote extended time out. Megan crying, I
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  Speaker 1: don't understand with all of these mugshots, all of these offenses,
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  Speaker 1: somehow this little angel was.
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  Speaker 2: Born and then he goes missing.
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  Speaker 6: Yes, it's heartbreaking, and you wonder we have seen those
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  Speaker 6: beautiful photos of Elijah. You know, it didn't seem like
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  Speaker 6: he was always abuse right, like he was in that
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  Speaker 6: little car, he had his second birthday cake.
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  Speaker 2: He was well dressed. So it just wonders what happened. No,
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  Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 1: I rarely disagree with you, Megan Crime, but I do
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  Speaker 1: now remember the Turpen family in the house of hers,
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  Speaker 1: where the mother and father would dress them up and matching.
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  Speaker 2: They were like eight or nine of them.
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  Speaker 1: There were a lot of children and they would be
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  Speaker 1: dressed up in matching outfits. And I mean the whole shebang,
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  Speaker 1: matching t shirts, catching bows, matching dresses, all these photos
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  Speaker 1: of them at Disney at various functions.
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  Speaker 2: But yet when they went home, they.
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  Speaker 1: Were shackled to the bed, starved, tortured with.
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  Speaker 2: Putting food in front of them but not letting them eat.
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  Speaker 2: There were scratch marks.
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  Speaker 1: On the inside of a closet bedroom door where they
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  Speaker 1: wanted in a closet trying to get out, put in
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  Speaker 1: a dark closet.
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  Speaker 2: Chaye.
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  Speaker 1: They had thirteen children, called the House of Harrison.
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  Speaker 2: They looked great on the outside.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, putting on a show for everyone else to make
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  Speaker 6: people think that you're a wonderful parent, and parenting can
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  Speaker 6: be is hard, and we have there's so many resources
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  Speaker 6: out there, and as somebody, if you see something, if
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  Speaker 6: you know if I just find it also hard to
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  Speaker 6: believe that nobody thought anything was going on with Elijah
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  Speaker 6: when he's getting shipped off to his mom's boyfriends for
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  Speaker 6: discipline at three years.
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  Speaker 1: I wonder if I wonder if anybody else even knew
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  Speaker 1: about it. Guys, we're to the point now where police
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  Speaker 1: are begging the public for help. A little bit more
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  Speaker 1: from Chief Minor.
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  Speaker 4: Listen, this child was three years old, and was reported
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  Speaker 4: missing a whole winter temperature day with only a blanket
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  Speaker 4: and possibly lay clothing, and we knew at that time
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: possibly three to four hours. I define that as in dager.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: You darn right it's in danger. But now I want
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: you to hear about what led up to the nine
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: one one missing call. Take us to Nicole Parton Crime Online.
• 20:36
  Speaker 11: February twenty ten, fifty nine am Jesse Vain calls nine
• 20:41
  Speaker 11: to one one to report the three year old boy
• 20:43
  Speaker 11: he cares for is missing. Vain says he fell asleep
• 20:47
  Speaker 11: caring for Elijah Vu at eight am, and when he
• 20:50
  Speaker 11: woke up at just before eleven am, Elijah was gone.
• 20:54
  Speaker 11: He is last seen wearing gray sweatpants, a long sleeved
• 20:58
  Speaker 11: dark colored shirt, and red and green dinosaurs slip on shoes.
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  Speaker 2: Thomas E. Fisher joining me.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: Former Milwaukee p Day now runs his own PI. Tom,
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: have you ever noticed how many children just disappear while
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: mommy or daddy's sleeping.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, that doesn't happen too often. No, I've seen cases
• 21:20
  Speaker 9: like that over the years, but it's usually something else
• 21:25
  Speaker 9: that occurred.
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  Speaker 2: A lie.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: Yes, why this guy, out of all the men in
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: the universe? She picks this one to discipline her child. Okay,
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: that said police asking for help. Take a listen to
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: Rachel Bonia crime online.
• 21:43
  Speaker 12: The search continues for Elijah Vu, with many in the
• 21:46
  Speaker 12: public asking how a three year old can leave an
• 21:48
  Speaker 12: apartment and go missing on his own. The local police
• 21:51
  Speaker 12: ask for help at the state and federal level, and
• 21:53
  Speaker 12: soon the FBI are on hand to help. Local and
• 21:56
  Speaker 12: regional groups use boats to search. Rivers and streams will
• 22:00
  Speaker 12: are conducted with drones. Canine units are brought in for
• 22:03
  Speaker 12: searches on land. But three year old Elijah is still missing.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: And family is pleading for help. Listen on behalf of
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: my family.
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  Speaker 13: We stay in before you to day with having hearts
• 22:17
  Speaker 13: burden fund an unmanageable situation.
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  Speaker 9: The pain is indescribable, a torrent.
• 22:24
  Speaker 13: No family or childsh with over face.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: We cannot express the death of our sorrow, nor the
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: desperation that comes.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: From us as each moment passes without moves of eliges safety.
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: To anyone who may have information about Elijah's where else,
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: We plead with you to police come forward.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: Your courage, your compassion, your willingness to speak of may
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: hold a key to eligis safety. You're hearing Elijah's aunt
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: is certainly not his mother or boyfriend asking for help.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: Wonder why, Wonder why they aren't asking for him to
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: be found.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: That's a whole other can of worms.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: But now take a listen to what actually happened to
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: Elijah Vue while he was at his boot camp with
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: the convicted felon. Listen to Dave matt Crime Online.
• 23:24
  Speaker 14: Elijah's mother is thirty one year old Katrina Bauer, but
• 23:27
  Speaker 14: she wasn't watching her son at the time he went missing.
• 23:30
  Speaker 14: Bauer's boyfriend, thirty nine year old Jesse Wang, has been
• 23:33
  Speaker 14: taking care of the boy. Bauer says she's letting Jesse
• 23:37
  Speaker 14: Bang discipline Elijah vu helping to teach him to be
• 23:40
  Speaker 14: a man. The three year old is not potty trained
• 23:43
  Speaker 14: and still takes a bottle, but Vang puts him in
• 23:46
  Speaker 14: time out when he disobeys an order. Jesse Fang explains
• 23:49
  Speaker 14: time out as a time where the three year old
• 23:52
  Speaker 14: must stand in one place and repeat I'm sorry, mommy.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: As you will recall. An ambrol or was issue for
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: Elijah view of two Rivers. Wisconsin wild Cops said at
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: the time they thought he was in imminent danger. There
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: was never any description of a potential suspect or vehicle.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: Maybe Elijah three feet tall, only weighs about forty five pounds,
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: blonde hair, brown eyes.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: He has a.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: Birthmark on his left knee, and he was last seen
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: wearing gray sweatpants, a dark long sleeved shirt, and red
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: and green dinosaur slippers. He may be carrying his favorite
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: plaid blanket.
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: Just so you know.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: The tip line is eight four four to six seven
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: sixty six four eight repeat eight four four two six
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: seven sixty six four eight. Darryl question to you, do
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: you think just go with me on this, what's the
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: likelihood that these two the mommy and her convicted fellon
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: boyfrien friend were torturing the boy in his boot camp
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: disciplinary eight days and then somebody else came in and
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: abducted him. Do you really think statistically that's even possible?
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: No, Nancy, it's not. But on the other hand, what
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: are we talking about torture? Is it extreme discipline? Is
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: this really torture? Do you think his mom or his
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: quote mom's boyfriend would torture him? They were wrong in
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: what they did, but that's not torture, And could he
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: have wandered out on his own. Of course he could.
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: It happens. Unfortunately all the time, close your eyes, turn
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: your head, and your child is gone. That can happen. Now.
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: Why she didn't report it earlier? Who knows. Maybe she
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: was hoping they could find him, maybe thinking a self
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: search would make him available. But that doesn't make it tore.
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: And that doesn't mean that she knew that the boyfriend
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: had been arrested so many times. And if you notice,
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: his last major arrests other than DUI was almost twenty
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: years ago. So I think you're making this worse than
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: it is for these two people. As the evidence unfolds,
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: will see but I can't prejudge them. I don't see
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: her as a good mother, but I don't here as.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: A torture either, Darryl. I don't give a flying fig
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: about these two people. I don't care what happens to them.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: You're right about that. I don't care.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: I want to find this boy and it's their fault.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: And how you with a straight face. I know you're
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: a defense attorney, but that said, with a straight face,
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: say it's not torture to force a child to stand
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: in the corner for hours and hours repeating Bible verses
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: and I'm sorry, mommy, you don't think that's torture because
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: I do jump in.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: How do you know.
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: That's the truth. How do you know that what you
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: hear is a who really made him do that? Who
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: told you this? Where do we gather this evidence? Let's
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: not prejudge these people.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: You know what. Let's ask the reporter, Aisha Morales, where's
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: the where's that knowledge coming from?
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: Aisha.
• 27:13
  Speaker 7: It's hard because we have a whole timeline dating back
• 27:18
  Speaker 7: as far as November so Thanksgiving at the end of
• 27:21
  Speaker 7: the year twenty twenty three. That's when Bauer told her
• 27:25
  Speaker 7: boyfriend about here that far. And then you're talking about
• 27:30
  Speaker 7: the days that led up to Elijah's disappearance or what
• 27:35
  Speaker 7: we're told is this disappearance. What was reported February fourteenth
• 27:39
  Speaker 7: is when Bauer eventually told investigator she was in two rivers.
• 27:43
  Speaker 8: That's where Elijah went missing for a period of time.
• 27:46
  Speaker 7: And then the thing is that we haven't really mentioned
• 27:49
  Speaker 7: a whole lot is that she would go back and
• 27:51
  Speaker 7: forth between two rivers, checking in on Elijah, who is
• 27:56
  Speaker 7: getting this discipline according to this chrominal complaint from her boyfriend.
• 28:00
  Speaker 7: And then she go back to Wisconsin Dell's which Nancy
• 28:03
  Speaker 7: It's about three hours away, so she was not very.
• 28:06
  Speaker 8: Close to her son at the time.
• 28:08
  Speaker 7: There was the February fourteenth, February six Jey nineteen. Vang
• 28:14
  Speaker 7: says he was punishing Elijah by making him stand near
• 28:17
  Speaker 7: him while he watched a movie.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: Before Derrek Cohen. His last bust was in twenty twenty three.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: That was last year. It wasn't that long ago.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: And as far as DUI, but I don't care if
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: you sold cocaine yesterday or ten years ago. You're not
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: babysitting for my children. Bam, there there you go. And
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: as far as where are we getting the information.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: Right now, the mom and the.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: Boyfriend are sitting behind bars on other charges related to
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: mistreating this child.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: The mother, thirty one year old Katrina.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: Bauer, arrested two days after Elijah goes missing, charge with felony,
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: child neglect and obstructing police. Currently unemployed. Surprise, Jesse Vang,
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: the lover he's behind bars right now too, and he
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: is charged with mistreating the child as well. So what
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: do you mean where am I getting my information? I'm
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: getting my information from what the cops put and an
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: arrest warrant. So are you doing the whole oj Simpson defense.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: The cops are lying, The cops planted the evidence. It's
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: a big conspiracy.
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: The cops made the arrest. The police made the arrest.
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: That doesn't mean the information they made the arrest on
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: is accurate. Where did it come from?
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: Guys? We are trying to help.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: Find Elijah view a three year old little boy. The
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: tip line is eight four four two six seven six
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: six four eight And speaking of what the pair Yes,
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: and there's a sixteen thousand dollars reward. As a matter
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: of fact, let's take a listen to Chief being Minor
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: describing that reward.
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: Today, the FBI has now provided an additional reward up
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: to fifteen thousand dollars for information leading to the location,
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: in return of Elijah Boog and or the arresting conviction
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: of any individual or individuals responsible or involved with his disappearance.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: A no good Wisconsin mother lease or a three year
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: old little boy, Elijah with a boyfriend with a rap sheet.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: As long as the interstate to quote learn to be
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: a man with the boyfriend. This boyfriend is going to
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: teach to be a man. Well, guess what now that
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: boyfriend is standing trial in the case of missing Elijah.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: In the months his baby Elijah goes missing, police uncover
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: alleged mistreatment at the hands of both of these ghules.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: I find that really disingenuous. Thomas Fisher, former Milwaukee PD
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: now private eye to say they weren't torturing this child,
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: and where do you get the information?
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: And the police are probably lying out.
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: That the police are lying.
• 31:32
  Speaker 9: You know, you get this type of information through deacon
• 31:35
  Speaker 9: statements from the individuals involved, if you're talking to other
• 31:38
  Speaker 9: people that have knowledge of what's going on, or may
• 31:41
  Speaker 9: have some knowledge of what's going on.
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: To sit out here.
• 31:44
  Speaker 9: And see the police are lying and putting this in
• 31:45
  Speaker 9: a criminal complaint, you know that doesn't fly. The parents
• 31:54
  Speaker 9: are just said they're two terrible people, and what we
• 31:57
  Speaker 9: need to do is this criminal justice system take care
• 32:01
  Speaker 9: of them down the line.
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: But right now we need to find that child.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: I want to go back to Mike Catshill joining us
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: from Peace River Canine Search and Rescue. Mike, I know
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: that there has been a as I issue described it
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: a landfill search that cooled off, But at this juncture,
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: don't you think starting at the apartment complex and going
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: out with canines would be helpful.
• 32:25
  Speaker 10: It was in the first couple of weeks after the investment,
• 32:28
  Speaker 10: after the child I'm missing, we wouldn't use the canines
• 32:31
  Speaker 10: at that point. However, the weather doesn't play well to canines.
• 32:34
  Speaker 10: When the temperature drops down below thirty two degrees and
• 32:38
  Speaker 10: into those lower temperatures, the dogs become ineffective because there's
• 32:42
  Speaker 10: just not enough odoor available for the dogs to work properly.
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: So you have to wait for the good weather date.
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: What do you mean by that, well, frickidaver dog.
• 32:50
  Speaker 10: You have to have at least thirty eight degrees to
• 32:52
  Speaker 10: get the dogs work well.
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: Take your freezer at home.
• 32:55
  Speaker 10: You put the meat in the freezer of the meat freezers,
• 32:58
  Speaker 10: it doesn't smell anymore. Same problem with human remains in
• 33:02
  Speaker 10: the fields.
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: You've got to wait for it.
• 33:04
  Speaker 10: At least get up over thirty eight degrees for the
• 33:06
  Speaker 10: dogs to be able to work effectively. They may bump
• 33:09
  Speaker 10: into something. If you're doing a tight grid, you might
• 33:11
  Speaker 10: get lucky. But even in the water work, if the
• 33:15
  Speaker 10: water's too cold, it's going to be hard to get
• 33:17
  Speaker 10: odor up for the dogs to be effective. So that's
• 33:20
  Speaker 10: one thing they were using helicopters are using drones, if
• 33:22
  Speaker 10: they're using thermal camera cameras, which I'm assuming they were
• 33:26
  Speaker 10: thermal drones. The temperature between If the boys alive, you're
• 33:31
  Speaker 10: going to get a really good heat signature from that.
• 33:34
  Speaker 10: If the boys remains are out there, again we have
• 33:37
  Speaker 10: to look at the lapse rate when it was warm
• 33:39
  Speaker 10: versus when it was cold. Can we still find remains?
• 33:42
  Speaker 10: So if it's you know, it has a lot to
• 33:44
  Speaker 10: do with the weather. And unfortunately up there in Wisconsin
• 33:46
  Speaker 10: they're having a.
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: Wild winter this year.
• 33:48
  Speaker 10: It's sixty five degrees one day and twelve degrees the next,
• 33:51
  Speaker 10: so it's interesting to see how well they would be
• 33:54
  Speaker 10: able to find it. Landfill searches as you brought them up,
• 33:57
  Speaker 10: it may have cooled down on that Because landfill searches
• 34:00
  Speaker 10: are a nightmare and they take a lot of manpower
• 34:04
  Speaker 10: and a lot of time to do them effectively. You
• 34:07
  Speaker 10: basically have to take all the trash out from that day,
• 34:09
  Speaker 10: You have to spread it out in sections. You have
• 34:12
  Speaker 10: to have about twenty people to go through it all
• 34:14
  Speaker 10: and along with the cadaver dogs to try to look
• 34:17
  Speaker 10: and find what you're looking for. So it's a very
• 34:20
  Speaker 10: expensive and labor intensive thing, which is probably why I
• 34:24
  Speaker 10: cooled off, because they don't want to spend the money
• 34:26
  Speaker 10: right now to do it until they're really sure that
• 34:28
  Speaker 10: they have nothing else to look at.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: The grandmother of three year old Elijah vu View has
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: spoken out emotional crying, begging to help find Elijah View.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: This three year old boy was reported missing Fab twenty
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: by Jesse Vang, the boyfriend of Elijah's mother, who told
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: police she had sent her son, her three year old,
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: to stay with Vang so he could teach the three
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: year old boy quote how to be a man that
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: is in the criminal complaint filed at the county level.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: Than then tells police he was taking a nap and miraculously,
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: coincidentally oddly wakes up to find the baby is gone.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: Now both Vang and View's mother, Katrina Bauer, have been
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: in lock up on charges of child neglect. The family
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: is begging. A child missing, says Chief Ben Minor for
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: any amount of time is every parent's worst nightmare. Hundreds
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: of resources have been used in the search. Drones, helicopters,
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: k nines all used across the entire county and beyond
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: Aisha Morales. When the Chief says county, and beyond where
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: else are they looking?
• 36:00
  Speaker 7: They have been going now in multiple counties. It's not
• 36:03
  Speaker 7: just where he went missing. It is now even as
• 36:07
  Speaker 7: far as the Milwaukee area, even into central Wisconsin, which
• 36:11
  Speaker 7: is about three hours away where Bauer herself was going
• 36:15
  Speaker 7: back and forth from. So she was from what it
• 36:18
  Speaker 7: seems according to this complaint, she was not there that day.
• 36:21
  Speaker 7: She was there the days before, but not that day
• 36:25
  Speaker 7: that he went missing. So because she was in Wisconsin
• 36:29
  Speaker 7: Dell three hours three hours away, and they have resources elsewhere,
• 36:33
  Speaker 7: they're just searching far beyond where he went missing in
• 36:37
  Speaker 7: that neighborhood.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: I know this the county sheare of.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: Van Hartwig closed his press conference in the final plate
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: to the public and was fighting back tears as a
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: thought of this missing three year old boy. There is
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: now a sixteen thousand dollar reward in the search for
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: three year old Elijah Vue.
• 37:03
  Speaker 13: To think with his child endured before he was killed,
• 37:06
  Speaker 13: I mean, do we really think he's still alive? We
• 37:10
  Speaker 13: wait as justice unfolds, the trials looming, I fully expect
• 37:18
  Speaker 13: additional charges.
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: Goodbye friend,