Latest / Reformed Thinking / The Pilgrim's Progress by John Bunyan - Christian, Hopeful, and the Shepherds
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- 0:00Welcome to the Deep Dive. We're here again, digging into
- 0:03source materials, articles, notes, bits from the text itself
- 0:07to pull out the really key insights and help you get a good
- 0:10handle on things without getting swamped.
- 0:13And for this deep dive, we're zooming in on a specific part of
- 0:16John Bunyan's The Pilgrims Progress.
- 0:18We're picking things up right after Christian and hopefully
- 0:20the shepherds up on the delectable mountains.
- 0:23We've got detailed notes, direct excerpts from the book, and some
- 0:28articles that unpack this particular section.
- 0:30Our goal is to sift through the stuff and really understand the
- 0:33specific hurdles pilgrims face right after this period of
- 0:36teaching, what those challenges look like, and you know how
- 0:39they're supposed to stay on track.
- 0:40Yeah, this part of the story is really critical.
- 0:44They've had rest teaching some warnings up on those mountains.
- 0:47Right, a time of clarity. Exactly.
- 0:49But now they have to come down back onto the highway and that's
- 0:52where the well, the rubber meets the road, so to speak.
- 0:55They face real tests, different kinds of temptations, different
- 0:59sorts of people trying to pull them off course.
- 1:00It really puts their learning to the test.
- 1:03And the sources, they seem to lay out these encounters in a
- 1:05very specific sequence, don't they?
- 1:07Each one kind of showing a different way you could stumble.
- 1:10That's right, it's like a series of case studies almost on the
- 1:14dangers of the path. OK, let's jump in then.
- 1:17Where are they heading? Ultimately, as they leave the
- 1:20Shepherds one the departure and the celestial goal.
- 1:24So Christian and hopeful, they're coming down from the
- 1:26delectable mountains. They've had this, this time of
- 1:28instruction. What's the actual destination
- 1:31they're aiming for? Well, the sources consistently
- 1:34point to the Celestial City. That's the main objective.
- 1:37Mount Zion sometimes. Yes, sometimes called Mount
- 1:39Zion. The whole point, everything
- 1:41they're going through is aimed at reaching that city and
- 1:44specifically getting admittance through the celestial gate.
- 1:48OK, and it's interesting. The text notes that other
- 1:51characters they meet later like ignorance.
- 1:54They also claim they're heading to the same city.
- 1:57So that sets up a question right away.
- 1:58Is everyone who says they're going there actually on the
- 2:01right path? Pretty much, and Hopeful
- 2:05actually brings us up later, confirming they did see the gate
- 2:08from the mountains. It wasn't just a dream, you
- 2:10know? Right, because before they left,
- 2:12the shepherds gave them that special look, didn't they?
- 2:15From the hill called clear with a What was it, a perspective
- 2:19glass? Yes, exactly.
- 2:20A perspective glass. A really poignant moment, the
- 2:23sources say. They tried to look, they essayed
- 2:25to look through it. Tried.
- 2:27Yeah, they made an effort and they thought they saw something,
- 2:30you know, something like the gate, maybe a bit of the glory
- 2:33of the place. It was this this tantalizing
- 2:36glimpse. There was a problem.
- 2:37They couldn't see it clearly. There was an impediment.
- 2:40Something stopped them from getting a really steady
- 2:42Clearview, even with the help of the glass.
- 2:46What was that? Was the glass faulty or?
- 2:48No, it wasn't external, it was internal, the sources say.
- 2:53The remembrance of the last thing the shepherds had shown
- 2:55them. It made their hands shake.
- 2:57Their hands were shaking. Yes, physically shaking.
- 2:59So much so that they couldn't hold the prospective glass
- 3:02steady enough to get that clear, sustained look at the Celestial
- 3:05City gate. Wow, so remembering that last
- 3:09thing, whatever it was, had a real physical effect.
- 3:11On them, it really did. It suggests that confronting
- 3:14certain realities, certain dangers, can be deeply
- 3:17unsettling. So unsettling it affects your
- 3:20ability to keep your focus on the goal, on the hope ahead.
- 3:23OK, that last thing must have been incredibly powerful then,
- 3:26if it could shake them like that and hinder their view of the
- 3:29goal. What was that final vision the
- 3:32Shepherds showed them? Let's get into that. 2 The buy
- 3:36way to hell. A warning about hypocrisy.
- 3:39OK, so this final warning, the sources describe it vividly.
- 3:43The shepherds took them to a spot in a bottom which sounds
- 3:46like a low lying area, and there was a door in the side of a hill
- 3:49A. Door in a hill.
- 3:50Yes, the shepherds opened it and specifically told the pilgrims
- 3:53to look inside. And what they saw.
- 3:54It sounds pretty terrifying from the notes.
- 3:56It really is. The description is intense.
- 3:59Very dark inside. Thick smoke, a rumbling noise
- 4:01like fire, the sound of cries, people in torment and the
- 4:05distinct smell of brimstone. Yeah, it's a full sensory
- 4:07assault designed to convey sheer horror.
- 4:10Christian, obviously disturbed, asked the shepherds.
- 4:13What does this mean? And the answer was pretty blunt.
- 4:17Very direct. They called it a by way to hell.
- 4:20But they didn't just leave it there.
- 4:21They specified who goes in that way.
- 4:23They said it's a path that hypocrites take.
- 4:26Hypocrites. So people pretending to be
- 4:28something they're not. Exactly those making a false
- 4:31show, and the sources even give specific examples to illustrate
- 4:35this drawing from scripture. Right, I saw those listed.
- 4:38Let's let's unpack those examples.
- 4:39OK, so they mentioned those who sell their birthright, which
- 4:42clearly points to Esau, right? Trading something sacred for
- 4:46immediate gratification for A Bola Stew.
- 4:48Disregarding the spiritual for the physical.
- 4:50Precisely, then, those who sell their master, obviously Judas
- 4:55Iscariot betraying Christ, those who blasphemed the gospel like
- 4:58Alexander who opposed Paul and the truth, and those who lie and
- 5:01dissemble like Ananias and Sapphira in Acts, pretending
- 5:05full devotion while holding back.
- 5:06So these are all people who had some connection, some outward
- 5:09appearance of being on the right side, but inwardly were false.
- 5:13Exactly. And hopeful notices, didn't he?
- 5:16He observed they had on them a show of pilgrimage.
- 5:21They look the part. They look like pilgrims.
- 5:23Right. That's the core of hypocrisy
- 5:25here. It's not just being sinful, it's
- 5:27the pretense, the outward show covering the inward reality.
- 5:32And the Shepherd's added that they held it a long time, too.
- 5:35Meaning they kept up the ACT for quite a while.
- 5:38It seems so, which suggests hypocrites can be very
- 5:41convincing, maybe even fooling themselves for a long time.
- 5:43That leads to a pretty sobering question then.
- 5:46How far did these people get? Did they seem like they were
- 5:49making progress before they ended up on this this byway?
- 5:52Well, the shepherd said, some went further along the path than
- 5:55others, but the key point was none of them, despite looking
- 5:59like pilgrims, ever reached the delectable mountains where
- 6:02Christian and hopeful were standing.
- 6:04So the danger is real, even if someone looks like they're doing
- 6:06OK on the outside. Absolutely.
- 6:08It shows that appearance, even long held appearance, isn't
- 6:12enough. The fall is real.
- 6:13Seeing this awful end for false professors this side road to
- 6:18hell, how did Christian and Hopeful react right then?
- 6:23Instinctively they turn to each other and sensing their own
- 6:26weakness, the danger they said we had need to cry to the strong
- 6:31for strength. They knew they couldn't manage
- 6:33on their own. Exactly a recognition of their
- 6:36total dependence on divine help to stay true.
- 6:38And the Shepherds confirmed that need.
- 6:40They did, they said I and you will have need to use it when
- 6:43you have it too. So it's not just about getting
- 6:46strength, but actively using it. Right.
- 6:48It connects the need for God's help with a responsibility to
- 6:51actually apply it. It's not passive, it's act of
- 6:54reliance using the grace given. So OK, this vision of the by way
- 6:58to hell, this terrible outcome for hypocrites, it was
- 7:01incredibly powerful. So powerful that, as you said,
- 7:04the memory of it made their hands shake later when they
- 7:06tried to look at the Celestial City.
- 7:08Yes, it really drives home how deeply confronting the reality
- 7:12of judgement and the consequences of falsehood can
- 7:15affect even your ability to keep your eyes fixed on the hope
- 7:18ahead. OK, so with that stark warning
- 7:22ringing in their ears, and having seen a glimpse of the
- 7:25goal, they get ready to leave the Shepherds.
- 7:28Let's talk about the final bits of advice the Shepherds gave
- 7:30them just as they were setting off 3 The Shepherds Parting
- 7:34Council. Right.
- 7:35So as they're preparing to head down the mountain, the shepherds
- 7:39give them some some final, very practical pieces of advice,
- 7:44things clearly meant for the specific challenges ahead now
- 7:47that they won't have the shepherds right there.
- 7:49What were those instructions? Well, one shepherd gave them a
- 7:52note of the way the text says this was for more sure finding
- 7:55thereof. Like a map or written direction.
- 7:58Probably something like that. Yeah.
- 8:00A guide to help them navigate, especially if the path became
- 8:03confusing or branched off, represents having clear,
- 8:06reliable guidance. Seems essential.
- 8:08What else? Another shepherd gave a very
- 8:10direct warning. Beware of the flatterer.
- 8:13The flatterer. OK, so a specific type of danger
- 8:16involving deception? Exactly Suggests they'd likely
- 8:19encounter someone using smooth words to mislead them.
- 8:22A key thing to watch out for. And there was a third warning.
- 8:25Yes, the third shepherd told them to take heed that they
- 8:29sleep not upon the enchanted ground.
- 8:31Now, the sources we're looking at don't detail that specific
- 8:34part of the pilgrimage later, but the warning itself is
- 8:37telling. What does that suggest?
- 8:39It points to the danger of, well, spiritual drowsiness,
- 8:43complacency, letting your guard down.
- 8:46Falling asleep in a dangerous place could mean losing your way
- 8:50or being ambushed. Makes sense.
- 8:52Vigilance is key and The last Shepherd.
- 8:54The 4th one simply bid them Godspeed, A blessing
- 8:57essentially. Good wishes for their travels.
- 8:59OK, so a guide for the way, a warning about a specific
- 9:03deceiver, a warning against complacency and a blessing
- 9:07sounds like crucial equipment for the road.
- 9:09Definitely meant to help them apply what they learned up high
- 9:12to the realities down below. So, armed with this council,
- 9:14they leave the mountains and almost right away they run into
- 9:17someone new. This encounter highlights a
- 9:20different sort of danger. Let's talk about meeting
- 9:23Ignorance 4 Encountering ignorance.
- 9:27The danger of conceit. Right.
- 9:29So they're walking along the highway after coming down from
- 9:31the mountains and they meet this fellow.
- 9:34The sources call him ignorance. And he's described as a very
- 9:38brisk lad, sounds energetic, maybe a bit overly confident.
- 9:42That's the impression, yeah. And significantly, he's from the
- 9:45country of conceit. Conceit.
- 9:47OK, that tells you something right there.
- 9:49It does, and this country is located just below the mountains
- 9:52off to the left. He didn't start at the beginning
- 9:54at the Wicked Gate like Kristen did.
- 9:57He joined the highway via a little crooked lane that came
- 10:00straight from his country onto the main road A.
- 10:02Shortcut basically. Seems like it.
- 10:04When they start talking, he says he's also going to the Celestial
- 10:07City. Same destination, but Christian
- 10:10has questions, right? Given the warnings about
- 10:12hypocrites and seeing him come in sideways.
- 10:14Exactly. Christian immediately asks him
- 10:17how he expects to get in at the gate.
- 10:19You know, implying entry isn't automatic just because you're on
- 10:22the road. And ignorance.
- 10:23His answer is just as other good people do.
- 10:26What does he list as his proof of being good?
- 10:29He rattles off a list. He knows his Lord's will, he
- 10:32lives a good life, He pays what he owes, he prays fasts, pays
- 10:36tithes, gives alms, and he mentions he left his country to
- 10:39come here. It's all based on his own
- 10:41actions, his own perceived righteousness.
- 10:43But Christian spots the fundamental problem right away.
- 10:46He does. He points out that the proper
- 10:48way to start is through the Wicked Gate, the narrow
- 10:52designated entrance. Ignorance completely bypassed
- 10:55that he came in through his crooked lane and Christian.
- 10:58Warns him about the consequences of that, Yes.
- 11:00Christian tells him quite plainly.
- 11:01He fears that on the reckoning day, ignorance will be counted
- 11:05as a thief and a robber, because he didn't enter by the door by
- 11:08the appointed way. It's a direct challenge to
- 11:10ignorance, his whole approach. How?
- 11:12Does ignorance take this correction?
- 11:15Does he reconsider? Not one.
- 11:17Bit he brushes them off completely, calls them utter
- 11:20strangers, like they have no right to question him.
- 11:22Tells him to follow their religion and he'll follow his.
- 11:25Yeah, he's totally confident. Says he hopes all will be well.
- 11:29He trusts the religion of his country, trusts that fine,
- 11:33pleasant Green Lane that got him onto the highway so easily.
- 11:36He even sort of implies the wicked gait is irrelevant for
- 11:39people from his area too far away, not something they bother
- 11:42with. So he's.
- 11:43Completely self assured. The sources call him wise in his
- 11:46own conceit. Exactly.
- 11:48Full of his own understanding, relying entirely on himself and
- 11:50his own sense of goodness. Totally unwilling to think he
- 11:53might be wrong or that there's a specific way required faced.
- 11:57With that kind of resistance, what did Christian and Hopeful
- 12:00decide to do? Keep arguing, They talked.
- 12:02It over Hopeful wisely suggested maybe it was best to just leave
- 12:07him be for now. Let him think about what they'd
- 12:10said. Perhaps talk again later as he
- 12:12is able to bear it. Recognizing he wasn't ready for
- 12:15more right then right. Pushing further probably
- 12:18wouldn't have helped, so they decided to just pass him by and
- 12:20continue on their way. That seems.
- 12:22Like a practical point in itself, not everyone who claims
- 12:25the same goal is on the right path, and well, not everyone is
- 12:28ready or willing to hear correction when they're
- 12:30mistaken. OK, so shortly after this
- 12:33encounter with self deceived ignorance, they witnessed
- 12:35something much more visually shocking, a real confirmation of
- 12:39the dangers of being off the path.
- 12:42Let's move to the fate of Turn Away 5, The fate of Turn Away.
- 12:47The warning of apostasy. OK.
- 12:49So not long after passing ignorance, the pilgrims enter
- 12:53what the sources call a very dark lane.
- 12:55The whole mood shifts here, gets much darker, more ominous, and
- 12:59they see something. Truly disturbing in this lane
- 13:02they do. They see a man who is bound by 7
- 13:04devils with seven strong cords, and these devils are forcefully
- 13:07dragging him backwards backwards.
- 13:09Towards where? Towards that.
- 13:10Door in the side of the hill, the very same one the shepherd
- 13:12showed them the by way to hell. It's a direct, terrifying link
- 13:17back to that earlier warning and.
- 13:19Christian thinks he recognizes the man, Yes.
- 13:21He looks hard and suspects it might be a man named Turn Away
- 13:25who lived in the town of Apostasy.
- 13:27The name itself is significant, obviously.
- 13:30He couldn't see his face clearly, though, because the
- 13:32man's head was hanging down in shame.
- 13:34Like a thief that is found but hopeful.
- 13:36See something that identifies him clearly, right?
- 13:39As the man is being dragged off hopeful spots, a piece of paper
- 13:43stuck to his back and it written.
- 13:44On it the inscription. Read wanton professor and
- 13:48damnable apostate. Wow.
- 13:50Wanton professor and damnable apostate.
- 13:53That's incredibly stark. It really is.
- 13:55This whole scene functions as a powerful visual warning.
- 13:59It shows the end result for someone who was once a
- 14:02professor, someone who claimed the faith, maybe even
- 14:04enthusiastically or carelessly wanton, but who then turned away
- 14:08completely. An apostate.
- 14:09Someone who? Abandons the faith they once
- 14:11held. Exactly.
- 14:12And the image shows them being dragged back towards destruction
- 14:15by demonic forces. It's a grim picture of what can
- 14:18happen if you leave the true path.
- 14:20It's the potential end for the hypocrites.
- 14:22Maybe even the fate Christian feared for ignorance.
- 14:25It's the consequence of abandoning your profession.
- 14:28That's a. Deeply chilling image after
- 14:30seeing that Christian tells Hopeful a story it's about a
- 14:34different kind of danger, one faced by someone who was a
- 14:36genuine believer but still struggled mightily Let's get
- 14:40into the story of little faith 6 the story of little faith
- 14:44attack, loss and Providence So right after seeing turn away
- 14:48being dragged off, Christian relates this story about little
- 14:51faith who was he and what happened to him Christian.
- 14:54Describes Little Faith first as a good man, which tells us he's
- 14:59considered a genuine believer, a real Pilgrim.
- 15:01He's from the town of Sincere, but as his name suggests, his
- 15:05defining trait was having but a little faith.
- 15:08OK. Sincere but weakened faith seems
- 15:10to be. The idea and he was on
- 15:11pilgrimage. But he made a mistake.
- 15:14He sat down and fell asleep in a very dangerous place called Dead
- 15:16Man's Lane. Dead Man.
- 15:18'S lane sounds ominous. It is.
- 15:20The sources say this lane comes down from Broadway Gate, linking
- 15:23it perhaps to the easy wider path, not the narrow 1.
- 15:26And this lane was notorious for robberies and even murders.
- 15:29He chose the bad spot to rest or lose vigilance, and he gets.
- 15:32Attacked there, he does. Ambushed by three sturdy rogues,
- 15:37brothers named Faint Heart. Mistrust and Guilt.
- 15:40Faint Heart. Mistrust and guilt.
- 15:42Those names are clearly allegorical.
- 15:44Absolutely. Representing the kinds of
- 15:46internal struggles or spiritual assaults pilgrims face they came
- 15:49galloping up, found him asleep. Faint heart demanded his purse.
- 15:53Little faith was slow, maybe scared, so mistrust just reached
- 15:57into his pocket and grabbed his bag of silver.
- 15:59His. Money, right?
- 16:00Little faith, cried out. Thieves and then gilt the
- 16:03violent one hit him hard on the head with a club, knocked him
- 16:07down, left him bleeding badly, looking like he might die a
- 16:10really. Vicious attack.
- 16:11Did they get everything, all his possessions?
- 16:13No. And this is really key to the
- 16:15story. They got most of his spending
- 16:17money, that bag of silver representing maybe his temporal
- 16:20comforts, his resources for the trip.
- 16:22They left him with just a tiny bit, a little odd money.
- 16:26Barely enough, Kristen says, to finish the pilgrimage without
- 16:28begging. OK.
- 16:29So they took his cash, but what about other valuables?
- 16:32This is. The crucial part, they did not
- 16:34find or take his jewels and most significantly, they did not get
- 16:38his certificate, his jewels. And his certificate?
- 16:41What do those represent and why didn't the thieves take them?
- 16:44Especially the certificate, which seems vital for getting
- 16:47into the Celestial City. Good.
- 16:49Question. The jewels seem to represent his
- 16:51core spiritual graces, his saving faith itself.
- 16:55The certificate is his title deed, his assurance of
- 16:58salvation, the proof needed for entry at the gate.
- 17:02Christian calls it a wonder that the thieves missed these.
- 17:05He says it happened more by good Providence than by his endeavor
- 17:08by God's. Providence not because little
- 17:10faith hid them well, Exactly. Christian makes it clear little
- 17:13faith was completely overwhelmed, dismayed, helpless.
- 17:16He had neither power nor skill to hide anything.
- 17:20Yet God actively intervened his Providence to make sure these
- 17:22essential spiritual treasures were kept safe.
- 17:25It shows that even when a believer is weak, attacked,
- 17:27loses temporal things, their core salvation and standing with
- 17:31God can be preserved supernaturally beyond their own
- 17:34ability. So.
- 17:35God protected his ultimate standing, but how did little
- 17:37faith handled the trauma and the loss of his money?
- 17:40Did he take comfort in his jewels being safe?
- 17:42Sadly. No, Christian says he was much
- 17:46afflicted by the robbery, and even though he still had his
- 17:49jewels, his spiritual riches, he made but little use of them for
- 17:53comfort afterwards. Why?
- 17:56Because the dismay over losing his money just consumed him.
- 18:00It overshadowed. The spiritual reality, it seems.
- 18:03So Christian says whenever he started to feel a little comfort
- 18:05thinking about his jewels, fresh thoughts of his loss would come
- 18:09again upon him, and those thoughts would swallow up all.
- 18:12He just couldn't get past the temporal loss and fear.
- 18:15He spent the rest of his pilgrimage complaining bitterly
- 18:17to everyone he met that leads. Hopeful to ask a logical
- 18:20question, right? If the jewels were so valuable,
- 18:23representing his faith, why didn't he just sell them or pawn
- 18:26them to get some money when he was desperate?
- 18:28Right? A.
- 18:28Practical question, but Christian answers pretty
- 18:31sharply. He says first in the country
- 18:32where he was robbed, the world least fear.
- 18:34Essentially his jewels were not accounted of.
- 18:37They had no market value there. You can't trade true faith for
- 18:40cash in the world's economy, OK? Practical reason, but more.
- 18:43Fundamentally, Christian says, selling his jewels would mean
- 18:46giving up his faith, his inheritance, and that would
- 18:49exclude him from the Celestial City altogether.
- 18:52Which would be far worse, he says, than the appearance and
- 18:55villainy of 10,000 Thieves. True spiritual value can't be
- 18:59bartered for temporary relief without disastrous eternal
- 19:02results. Hopeful.
- 19:03Then compares this to Esau selling his birthright.
- 19:06Is it the same kind of thing, Christian?
- 19:08Draws a very clear line between them.
- 19:10Esau's birthright, he says, was typical, maybe representing
- 19:14earthly promises more than the ultimate heavenly inheritance.
- 19:17And Esau sold it for fleshly appetite, driven by immediate
- 19:20hunger, showing he didn't value the spiritual aspect.
- 19:23Christian bluntly says Esau had not faith.
- 19:25OK. Esau lacked faith entirely
- 19:28right. Little faith, however, even with
- 19:30only a little faith, possessed genuine, saving faith.
- 19:34And because of that, even though it was small, he was kept from
- 19:36such extravagances. That little bit of faith made
- 19:39him value his jewels, his spiritual standing, more than
- 19:42selling them for comfort. His mind was ultimately on
- 19:45things divine, unlike Esau's Christian's.
- 19:49Point is, if you have any true saving faith, however small, you
- 19:53cannot ultimately trade away your eternal hope for temporary
- 19:56gain. That faith holds you fast.
- 19:58So even. Weak faith makes a fundamental
- 20:00difference compared to no faith at all.
- 20:02It preserves the core even amidst struggle.
- 20:05Now Hopeful seems to shift back to the attack itself.
- 20:08He questions if the robbers, faint heart, mistrust Gil, were
- 20:11really that brave, noting they ran off when they heard someone
- 20:13else coming. He wonders why little Faith
- 20:15didn't resist more. Yeah, Hopeful.
- 20:17Thinks maybe they were just cowards, but Christian pushes
- 20:20back. He says few people actually find
- 20:23them cowardly when they're the ones being attacked.
- 20:26He admits they might flee superior strength, but in the
- 20:29moment they're formidable. He says little faith simply
- 20:33lacked a great heart encourage spiritual strength and he even
- 20:38suggests hopeful might fold quickly too.
- 20:40Under such an assault. He also.
- 20:42Says these aren't just ordinary thieves crucial.
- 20:44Point He calls them journeyman thieves who work for the king of
- 20:47the bottomless pit, Satan. They're demonic agents,
- 20:50basically, and their master can back them up.
- 20:53His voice, Christian says it's like a roaring lion referencing
- 20:56scripture about the devil. And Christian shares his own
- 20:59experience here. He says he fought a similar
- 21:01battle himself against these same enemies and their master.
- 21:04He calls it a terrible thing. And even though he had his armor
- 21:07of proof, the spiritual armor, it was still incredibly hard
- 21:11work to quit myself like a man. It shows these spiritual fights
- 21:14are intense even for stronger, well equipped believers.
- 21:18Hopeful. Brings up great grace again,
- 21:20saying the thieves fled from him.
- 21:22Christian. Agrees great grace, the King's
- 21:24champion, does make them flee. He represents exceptional
- 21:27spiritual strength. But Christian immediately says,
- 21:29look, not everyone is a champion like Great Grace.
- 21:33Many of the King's subjects like little faith or weak.
- 21:36He uses analogies. A child trying to fight Goliath,
- 21:39a tiny Wren having an ox's strength.
- 21:41People have different levels of spiritual capacity.
- 21:44And he adds that even Great Grace isn't immune.
- 21:46He can have a hard time if the rogues get within him, find a
- 21:49weakness. He points out Great Grace has
- 21:52scars from his battles. He remembers biblical giants of
- 21:55faith, David, Hammond, Hezekiah, Peter, who all stumbled or were
- 21:59seriously challenged by similar forces.
- 22:00At times he emphasized the terrifying nature of the enemy
- 22:03leader, the king of the pit, quoting Scripture about how he
- 22:06laughs at human weapons. Conventional strength isn't
- 22:09enough, so given. That the enemy is so tough,
- 22:12their leader terrifying, and most pilgrims aren't spiritual
- 22:14champions like Great Grace. What's the advice for ordinary
- 22:17folks like Christian and Hopeful described as mere footman?
- 22:21How should they handle these dangers?
- 22:22Christian. Gives two key pieces of advice
- 22:25drawing from all this. First, go out harnessed, meaning
- 22:29fully equipped, and specifically be sure to take a shield with
- 22:33us. He immediately identifies this
- 22:35as the shield of faith, quoting scripture about it, quenching
- 22:38the fiery darts of the wicked. Faith, act of trust in God is
- 22:42the essential defense. Without it, he warns, the enemy
- 22:45doesn't fear us at all. OK, take.
- 22:47The shield of faith. What's the second piece of
- 22:49advice? Second, He.
- 22:50Says it's good to desire the king a convoy.
- 22:53Yay that he will go with us himself.
- 22:56Basically ask God for his direct protection and presence.
- 22:59Don't rely on just on your own strength or armor, but ask for
- 23:02the King himself to accompany you.
- 23:04He mentions David feeling safe in the deadly valley because God
- 23:07was with him, and Moses refusing to go forward unless God's
- 23:10presence went too. It's about recognizing deep need
- 23:13and requesting divine companionship.
- 23:15Christian, then. Reflects on his own past fights,
- 23:18glad to be alive but wary of future danger, yet hoping for
- 23:21God's continued deliverance. And then he sings that little
- 23:24song, summarizing the lesson. Right, the song.
- 23:26Goes poor little faith has been among the thieves lost, robbed.
- 23:31Remember this who so believes and gets more faith?
- 23:34Shall then a victor be over 10,000, else scarce over three?
- 23:38That really? Captures.
- 23:39It doesn't. It acknowledges the struggle of
- 23:41the weak, poor little faith, but points to the solution.
- 23:45Getting more faith leads to victory, relying on God's
- 23:48strength, not your own limited resources.
- 23:51OK, so they've processed the fate of the apostate turn away
- 23:54and the struggles of the weak but genuine little faith.
- 23:57They understand more about spiritual warfare.
- 23:59They continue on and the sources mentioned ignorance is still
- 24:02trailing behind them. Their next big test involves a
- 24:05different kind of threat. Not violence, not self
- 24:08righteousness, but smooth deception.
- 24:10Let's turn to them getting caught in the flatterer's net. 7
- 24:13Caught in flatterer's net. The danger of deception.
- 24:16Right, so. They're walking along and they
- 24:18reach a point where the path forks.
- 24:20Rather another way joins theirs. And the problem is, this new way
- 24:23looks just as great as the one they're on.
- 24:25They can't tell which is the correct continuation towards the
- 24:28Celestial City, so they pause, confused and.
- 24:31Right then someone shows up. Yes, a man.
- 24:33Approaches them and the description is very specific.
- 24:37Black of flesh, but covered with a very light robe.
- 24:40Black flesh. Light robe?
- 24:42That sounds like a contradiction.
- 24:43A warning sign, you'd think. So it's a just a dark nature
- 24:47hidden by a superficially pure or good appearance.
- 24:50He asks why they're stopped. They explain their heading to
- 24:53Zion but aren't sure which path to take and he immediately says
- 24:57follow me. It is thither that I'm going
- 25:00offers to lead them. They follow him even with that
- 25:03weird description they do. They take the path he points
- 25:05out, and the sources say this path gradually, subtly began to
- 25:10turn them away from the city. In little time, their faces were
- 25:13turned away from it, yet they followed him.
- 25:16They didn't realize they were being LED off course until it.
- 25:19Was too late, presumably. Exactly.
- 25:20Before they know it, he leads them right into a neck.
- 25:23They become completely tangled up, trapped, helps us don't know
- 25:26what to do. And right at that moment when
- 25:28they're caught, the white robe falls off the man, revealing his
- 25:31true nature. So they're trapped and they see
- 25:35him for who he really is. What goes through their minds
- 25:38then they're. Lying there crying, realizing
- 25:41they've been tricked. And Christian immediately
- 25:43remembers the shepherd's warning.
- 25:45He says, did not the shepherd's bid us beware of the flatterers?
- 25:49And a proverb comes to him. A man that flattereth his
- 25:52neighbor, spread at the net for his feet.
- 25:55It clicks. This is the flatterer they were
- 25:57warned about. And hopeful.
- 25:59Remember something else they failed to do?
- 26:01Yes. Hopeful realizes they also
- 26:03forgot to look at their note of directions about the way the
- 26:07guide the Shepherds gave them specifically for more sure
- 26:10finding thereof for exactly this kind of situation when the path
- 26:14was unclear. So they got.
- 26:15Caught because they forgot 2 specific pieces of guidance, the
- 26:19warning about flatterers, and the instruction to use their map
- 26:22when uncertain. How do they get out of the net
- 26:24as they're? Lying there, lamenting, a
- 26:25shining one appears. An angelic figure, it seems, and
- 26:29significantly, he's carrying a whip.
- 26:31He asks who they are and how they got trapped.
- 26:34They explained they were led astray by the man in white who
- 26:36claimed to be going to Zion and the.
- 26:38Shining one identifies the deceiver, yes.
- 26:41He confirms the man was the flatterer, adding that he is a
- 26:44false apostle that hath transformed himself into an
- 26:47Angel of light. Uses biblical language for
- 26:50Satan's deceptive agents. Makes it clear the light robe
- 26:53was a disguise for his dark purpose.
- 26:56Then the shining one tears the net, frees them and leads them
- 27:00back to the correct path they had left.
- 27:02But the. Intervention doesn't stop there,
- 27:04does it? There's correction involved,
- 27:06right? He questions them further.
- 27:08Where did you sleep last night? With the shepherds.
- 27:11Yeah. Did they give you a note of
- 27:12direction? Yes.
- 27:13Did you read it when you were unsure?
- 27:15No, we forgot. Did they warn you about the
- 27:17flatterer? Yeah.
- 27:18Yes. But we didn't imagine this fine
- 27:21spoken man could be him. They admit their failures.
- 27:24They were fooled. By the outward appearance and
- 27:26smooth words exactly. He didn't expect the danger to
- 27:28look so appealing. And then comes the discipline
- 27:32with the. Whip Yes.
- 27:33The Shining One tells them to lie down and he chastised them
- 27:37sore. He hit them with a whip, but he
- 27:40explains why. It's to teach them the good way
- 27:42where and they should walk. He even quotes revelation As
- 27:46many as I love, I rebuke and chasten.
- 27:48Be zealous, therefore, and repent so the.
- 27:50Discipline isn't just punishment, it's corrective
- 27:53teaching rooted in love, that's how.
- 27:55It's presented painful, yes, it left marks, but intended to
- 27:58bring repentance and reinforce the lesson about heeding
- 28:01guidance. After the chastisement.
- 28:03He tells them to go on, but to take good heed to the other
- 28:06directions of the shepherds, say thank him, recognizing the
- 28:09kindness even in the correction, and continue on, singing a song
- 28:13about the consequences of forgetting counsel this whole.
- 28:15Incident really drives home how easy it is to be deceived by
- 28:18appearances if you let your guard down or forget the
- 28:21warnings you've received. And it shows divine correction
- 28:24as well as a severe mercy, maybe painful but necessary to get you
- 28:28back on track. OK, so.
- 28:30They've been rescued from the net, corrected, and are back on
- 28:33the right path, hopefully wiser. They continue on, and the last
- 28:37encounter in this section presents yet another kind of
- 28:39challenge. Outright disbelief.
- 28:43Let's meet Atheist 8. Meeting Atheist.
- 28:47The challenge of disbelief. Right, so they're walking along,
- 28:50presumably a bit more careful now, and they see a man coming
- 28:53towards them on the highway. Christian immediately notices
- 28:55something odd. He's walking.
- 28:57The wrong way. His back toward Zion.
- 28:59Exactly. A clear visual contrast.
- 29:01He's heading away from the goal, hopeful, maybe still jumpy after
- 29:04the flatterer worries he might be another deceiver trying to
- 29:07mislead them. The man.
- 29:08Introduces himself though. Yes, he tells.
- 29:10Them his name is atheist. When they say their pilgrims
- 29:13going to Mount Zion, his reaction is, well, unexpected.
- 29:17He laughs. A very great laughter yeah, open
- 29:20mockery. Christian asked why he's
- 29:22laughing. Atheist calls them ignorant
- 29:24persons for undertaking such a tedious effort for nothing
- 29:27because. Because.
- 29:28He claims flatly there is no such place as you dream of in
- 29:32all this world. He just denies the existence of
- 29:35the Celestial City altogether, calls it a dream.
- 29:38They try to. Counter saying it's in the world
- 29:39to come atheist. Waves that away too.
- 29:42He claims he used to believe in it says he searched for for 20
- 29:46years went further than they have he boasts, but he found
- 29:49nothing 0 proof so he concluded it is not He's given up and is
- 29:54now going back to enjoy the worldly things he castaway when
- 29:58he was on his quest he found. No evidence, so he concluded it
- 30:01doesn't exist. Pretty much.
- 30:03His experience defines reality for him.
- 30:05And then Christian does something interesting.
- 30:07He deliberately tests hopeful. He turns to hopeful and asks him
- 30:11straight out. Is what this man says true?
- 30:15Christian explains later. He wasn't doubting himself, but
- 30:17did it to prove thee and to fetch from the a fruit of the
- 30:20honesty of thy heart. He wanted to see how hopeful
- 30:23would react to this direct assault on their core belief,
- 30:26and how. Does hopeful respond?
- 30:27Does he waver not at? All he responds firmly.
- 30:32He actually calls atheist a flatterer in this context,
- 30:35meaning someone trying to deceive them by denying the
- 30:37truth, leading them astray. With disbelief, he immediately
- 30:41reminds Christian of their painful mistake with the other
- 30:43flatterer. Then he says with real
- 30:45conviction, what no Mount Zion did we not see from the
- 30:49delectable mountains, the gate of the city?
- 30:51He appeals. Back to that earlier glimpse of
- 30:53truth, exactly. He uses that experience as
- 30:56evidence against atheists claim, and he reinforces their current
- 31:00position. We are now to walk by faith, not
- 31:04by sight or by the failed experiences of others who gave
- 31:07up. He quotes scripture about
- 31:08ignoring teaching that leads to error and about believing to the
- 31:11saving of the soul. It's a solid stand on faith and
- 31:14revealed truth against experiential denial.
- 31:16Christian. Affirms hopefuls response.
- 31:18Yes. Christian says he knows atheist
- 31:20is blinded by the God of this world.
- 31:22Recognizing the spiritual source of such disbelief, he confirms
- 31:26their shared conviction in the truth, stating no lie is of the
- 31:29truth. Atheist claim is false, Period.
- 31:31And how does? The encounter end hopeful.
- 31:33Having stood firm, declares, now do I rejoice in hope of the
- 31:38glory of God? Rejecting disbelief actually
- 31:41strengthens his hope. They then turn away from
- 31:45atheist, choosing not to argue further and continue toward
- 31:48Zion. Atheist just laughs at them as
- 31:50he walks away back towards the world.
- 31:52This. Encounter feels different from
- 31:54the flatterer. That was subtle deception about
- 31:56the path. This is a head on denial of the
- 31:59destination itself, right? It's.
- 32:00The challenge of outright cynical disbelief and their
- 32:03response shows the need to stand on faith, remember past
- 32:07confirmations of truth like seeing the Gate, and refuse to
- 32:10let worldly reasoning or mockery undermine their ultimate hope.
- 32:14Rejoicing in that hope is the counter to atheistic despair 9
- 32:19review and synthesis OK, so let's.
- 32:21Pull this together. In this whole section we've
- 32:23looked at right after leaving the shepherd's Christian and
- 32:25hopeful face a whole series of challenges laid out in these
- 32:28sources. Yeah, first.
- 32:29That really disturbing warning vision the by way to hell for
- 32:32hypocrites. Yeah, sobering stuff that even
- 32:34physically affected them. Then they meet.
- 32:36Ignorance, the picture of self deception, trusting his own
- 32:39path, his own goodness, totally unreceptive because of his
- 32:42conceit, followed. Almost immediately by that
- 32:44chilling side of turn away, the apostate being dragged back to
- 32:48destruction. A visual confirmation of what
- 32:51happens when you abandoned the path you once professed.
- 32:54Then the. Detailed story of little faith,
- 32:56showing how even a genuine believer, weak in faith, can be
- 33:00attacked, suffer loss, be filled with dismay, but.
- 33:04Still be preserved in his core salvation by God's Providence,
- 33:07even if he struggles to find comfort.
- 33:10And the lesson there was about needing the shield of faith and
- 33:12God's own presence. Then the.
- 33:14Painful experience with the flatterer fooled by smooth words
- 33:18and appearances because they forgot the warnings and their
- 33:20guide, leading to entanglement and necessary corrective
- 33:23discipline from the Shining One and.
- 33:25Finally, atheist the direct challenge of someone denying the
- 33:29goal itself, claiming it doesn't even exist based on his own
- 33:32failed search met by hopefuls firm Stand on faith and remember
- 33:36truth. It's quite a.
- 33:37Sequence, isn't it? Each encounter seems to
- 33:39highlight a different kind of pitfall it really.
- 33:41Does you've got dangers stemming from outright hypocrisy, from
- 33:46self-reliance, from total abandonment, from personal
- 33:49weakness meeting external assault, from subtle deception,
- 33:52and from direct disbelief? They're not random.
- 33:55They really illustrate various spiritual States and the
- 33:57different kinds of opposition you might face and the.
- 33:59Sources consistently link their ability to either stand firm or
- 34:04get back up after stumbling to certain things.
- 34:07Yeah, things. Like paying attention to the
- 34:09council they received, remembering the warnings,
- 34:12relying on God's help in Providence, like with little
- 34:14Faith's jewels or the advice to ask for a convoy using.
- 34:18The tools they were given, like the shield of faith or that note
- 34:21of direction accepting. Correction, even when it's
- 34:24painful, like from The Shining 1, and fundamentally.
- 34:27Just continuing to walk by faith, holding on to the truth
- 34:30revealed even when things look confusing or people argue
- 34:33against it, right? Perseverance as shown here is
- 34:37isn't about being perfect or super strong yourself.
- 34:39It seems much more about depending on God's grace, His
- 34:42guidance, His strength, and diligently using the help He
- 34:45provides while staying vigilant. So looking.
- 34:47At this whole section, it really seems to drive home that this
- 34:50walk requires constant awareness, humility, dependence
- 34:54on God, and a firm grip on the truth, refusing to be swayed by
- 34:58alternatives no matter how plausible they might seem.
- 35:01Outro. So what's the take away here for
- 35:03you listening well? The path described in these
- 35:06sources is certainly full of different kinds of difficulties,
- 35:09some obvious, some hidden. But guidance is given, help is
- 35:12available, and pressing on, aided by grace and reliance on
- 35:16God, is shown to be possible. Which leads.
- 35:18To a question you might want to ponder, thinking about these
- 35:21characters and dangers, we've discussed the hypocrite leading
- 35:23to the byway, the self satisfied ignorance, the apostate turn
- 35:27away, the struggling little faith, the easily deceived
- 35:30Pilgrim caught by the flatterer and the disbelieving atheist.
- 35:34Which of these warnings, which of these potential pitfalls
- 35:36feels most relevant or maybe most challenging for you to
- 35:39think about in your own life? Something.
- 35:42To consider as you continue your own thinking.
- 35:44Thanks for joining us for this deep dive Fate Outro Music.