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Sharri | 18 August · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News. This is Sharry.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for that, Andrew, and good evening to you at home. Well,
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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister surges ahead of the polls in a
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Speaker 2: poor reflection on the hopeless Liberals.
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Speaker 3: Ray hardly will be here to give his verdict.
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Speaker 2: Marco Rubio fires up at the claim the Europeans have
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Speaker 2: to protect Zelenski from bullying. Plus, as Andrew just mentioned,
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Speaker 2: the Israeli politician who Tony Burke has banned from Australia
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Speaker 2: for three years, he'll be on the show, don't miss
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Speaker 2: that exclusive interview. And with the government banning Israelis, should
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Speaker 2: we be surprised that businesses are now doing the same.
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Speaker 2: Look at this hairdresser refusing service to an Israeli then
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Speaker 2: he'd ask.
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Speaker 4: You why you kicked someone out when you found out
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Speaker 4: that were Israeli?
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Speaker 1: Why did you do?
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Speaker 3: We're a baby killer. Now that's all coming up, but
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Speaker 3: for tonight.
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Speaker 2: At a time when the Albanese government is leading Australia
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Speaker 2: down a reckless path economically, ideologically and in terms of
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Speaker 2: our place in the world, one can only despair that
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Speaker 2: there's no viable alternative. The Federal Liberal Party has been
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Speaker 2: reduced to an insipid rabble, lacking an identity or purpose,
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Speaker 2: and it's a reflection of its leader, Susan Lee, who
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Speaker 2: doesn't know what she stands for or believes in. She's
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Speaker 2: lacking in both conviction and confidence, and the party mirrors
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Speaker 2: her position. Two pole results today cement the fact the
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Speaker 2: Liberal Party is disintegrating further into irrelevance, and it's Albanezi
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Speaker 2: who's benefiting. News poll in The Australian showed that Albanesi
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Speaker 2: is in his strongest position since.
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Speaker 3: July twenty twenty three, and the City.
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Speaker 2: Morning Herald's Resolve Pole also shows support for Labor at
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Speaker 2: its highest in two years. It says on a two
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Speaker 2: party preferred basis, Labor has widened its lead over the
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Speaker 2: coalition to fifty nine forty one, its strongest results since
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Speaker 2: April twenty twenty three. And and get this, a four
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Speaker 2: point increase on May, a four point increase on May
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Speaker 2: when the.
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Speaker 3: Election was held.
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Speaker 2: So this would mean that if an election were held today,
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Speaker 2: Labor would win even more seats from an already Lee,
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Speaker 2: already dwindling coalition. Now here's the issue with the Liberals.
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Speaker 2: There's not a policy in sight. They have no idea
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Speaker 2: what they stand for. Their identity. It seems it was
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Speaker 2: lost amid the mbers of the devastating election defeat, and
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Speaker 2: Susan Lee has no concept of how to lift the
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Speaker 2: coalition out of this state.
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Speaker 3: Now, the election was.
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Speaker 2: Three and a half months ago and what has Susan
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Speaker 2: Lee done in that time time. Very little, it seems,
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Speaker 2: and voters don't know who she is, as the Daily
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Speaker 2: Telegraph discovered last week.
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Speaker 5: A couple of weeks ago, the Daily Telegraph asks one
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Speaker 5: hundred people in the street to identify you from the photograph.
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Speaker 5: Not a single one could. I mean, what's the issue
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Speaker 5: do you think here? And how are you going to
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Speaker 5: change things to cut through?
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Speaker 6: I'm introducing myself to Australians wherever I go and I'm finding.
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Speaker 3: That people do recognize me.
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Speaker 2: This isn't good enough for democracy. The government needs competition
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Speaker 2: to keep it on us. That's for democracy and for Australians,
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Speaker 2: we need to know there's a viable alternative who will
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Speaker 2: eventually defeat the dangerous and reckless Albanesi government. Instead, at
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Speaker 2: the moment, alban Easy is now on track to pursue
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Speaker 2: a third, yes, a third labor term.
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Speaker 3: The size of his landslide.
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Speaker 2: When I'll be it on a very low I mean
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Speaker 2: that the Coalition can't feasibly win at the next election,
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Speaker 2: likely to be held in twenty twenty eight. This means
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Speaker 2: that Labor is now in tractor govern probably until twenty
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Speaker 2: thirty one. This is unfathomable given Albanezy is the weakest
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Speaker 2: leader in Australia's history, at least since Whitlam, and yet
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Speaker 2: he could end up being one of its longest serving now.
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Speaker 2: This is partly the fault of Australians who have become
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Speaker 2: addicted to the socialism style largess this government throws at it.
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Speaker 2: People seem reluctant to work hard anymore. They want freebies
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Speaker 2: and handouts. But it's also the fault of the federal
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Speaker 2: Liberal Party, which has given Australians no proper choice at
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Speaker 2: the ballot box. And the party right now doesn't have
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Speaker 2: any developed policies and so it can't argue its case
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Speaker 2: against the government. I mean, you look at Chris Bowen
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Speaker 2: running his absurd energy policy.
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Speaker 3: The idea the Liberals still.
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Speaker 2: Don't have an energy position three and a half months on.
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Speaker 3: Is insane.
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Speaker 2: And Andrew Bolt called Susan Lee out on it when
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Speaker 2: he interviewed her last week.
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Speaker 5: You're taking it zero. I mean you've decided you're going
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Speaker 5: to take up to a year to decide whether you
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Speaker 5: think this damaging global warming target should be scrapped. That's
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Speaker 5: going to be a year of drift, of uncertainty, of
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Speaker 5: seeming like you lack the courage or the understanding to
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Speaker 5: reach a decision. I'm not sure that it's going to
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Speaker 5: be a cut through issue for you if you're going
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Speaker 5: to dodge it for that long.
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Speaker 1: Don't you think.
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Speaker 3: Not at all? And not dodging it?
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Speaker 6: And I've said that we will take the time that
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Speaker 6: we need to to get this right, and we need
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Speaker 6: to have an energy policy that does reduce emissions, plays
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Speaker 6: our part by the way the government submissions are going up,
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Speaker 6: not down. Your viewers would well know that, and also
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Speaker 6: delivers a reliable energy grid.
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Speaker 5: Except of course everyone will then usk. But what's your
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Speaker 5: solution and you won't have one for a year. So
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Speaker 5: I just wonder whether that's going to be a problem.
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Speaker 1: Now.
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Speaker 2: That interview was a few days ago, and the polls
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Speaker 2: today show that the coalition's lack of policies is already
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Speaker 2: a major problem, with alban Easy furthering his vast lead
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Speaker 2: the Australian's editor at Large Paul Kelly spoke to former
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Speaker 2: leaders recently about what the Liberals need to do. Long
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Speaker 2: serving former Prime Minister John Howard told him that the
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Speaker 2: party needs to start campaigning for.
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Speaker 3: The next election immediately.
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Speaker 2: Mister Howard said, we don't have a lot of time
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Speaker 2: and when it comes to net zero, you can't take
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Speaker 2: a year on that. We should have a position in
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Speaker 2: the next month.
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Speaker 3: And Howard had a dier warning.
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Speaker 2: That the Liberals still could fall even further in the polls,
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Speaker 2: and he pointed to the example of the British Conservative Party.
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Speaker 2: Then another former Prime minister, Tony Abbot, also said that
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Speaker 2: the Liberals need a clear, sensible and credible energy policy now.
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Speaker 2: He warned against getting stuck on what he called the
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Speaker 2: theological question of net zero. He said, this is Tony
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Speaker 2: Abbot in my view, that policy should be no colified
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Speaker 2: power stations to close without a reliable alternative, the development
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Speaker 2: of new gas fields at speed, ending subsidies for new
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Speaker 2: renewables given their claim to be the cheapest energy, and
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Speaker 2: ending the bands on nuclear.
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Speaker 3: It's not just energy.
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Speaker 2: Without a policy position in each major portfolio, it's impossible
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Speaker 2: for the coalition to hold the Albanezy government to account,
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Speaker 2: and the Liberals also need to develop positions on tax education, ndis,
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Speaker 2: immigration and so much more. There is so much serious
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Speaker 2: work to do, but we're not seeing any sign the
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Speaker 2: party's lifting a finger.
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Speaker 3: We take tax reform.
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Speaker 2: The best policy is one that I've been speaking about
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Speaker 2: here for some time, indexing personal income tax brackets in
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Speaker 2: line with inflation.
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Speaker 7: Now.
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Speaker 2: The former head of Westpac and former Treasury official David
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Speaker 2: Morgan came out recently and he said that in his view,
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Speaker 2: it's time to adjust income tax for inflation.
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Speaker 3: He said any increases.
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Speaker 2: In the personal tax rates on various real income levels
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Speaker 2: should be legislated explicitly, not left to the haphazard vagaries
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Speaker 2: of inflation. Now, Australia is one of the only developed
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Speaker 2: nations in the world that hasn't indexed salaries with inflation.
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Speaker 3: This is such an.
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Speaker 2: Obvious policy for the Liberals to adopt, yet they refuse
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Speaker 2: to do it during the last parliamentary term, and there's
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Speaker 2: no sign Susan Lee is considered major reform like this now. Then,
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Speaker 2: in terms of foreign policy our place in the world,
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Speaker 2: we've never had a more confused foreign policy platform. Albanesi
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Speaker 2: and Penny Wong, as you know, treat our enemies like
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Speaker 2: our allies and vice versa. Greg Sheridan put it well
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Speaker 2: when he wrote recently that the Albanesi government has now
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Speaker 2: adopted a left European mindset rather than being aligned with Washington.
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Speaker 2: And yet you have to ask, has there ever been
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Speaker 2: less scrutiny of a government and its ministers then right
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Speaker 2: now under this one. The media is just not doing
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Speaker 2: its job now. The coalition is not without talent. I
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Speaker 2: mean you see some of the best on this program regularly,
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Speaker 2: James Patterson, Mikhaylia Cash, Dave Shama, Andrew Hasty, among others.
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Speaker 2: But it's up to the leader to shape the party
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Speaker 2: and take the fight up to the Prime minister. And
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Speaker 2: right now the Liberals have no idea precisely what they
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Speaker 2: stand for. They're firmly in the wilderness with no light
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Speaker 2: showing the way and no sign of a path out.
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Speaker 2: Not having a credible and serious opposition is a danger
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Speaker 2: for our nation. The Liberals desperately need a wake up
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Speaker 2: call now. The election result should have been that wake
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Speaker 2: up call. Instead, the party is diminished and it's sleep
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Speaker 2: walking its way to another defeat even more devastating than
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Speaker 2: the last. They need to do better, not simply for
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Speaker 2: their own survival, but for the future of our nation. Now,
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Speaker 2: my exclusive interview with the Israeli politician who had his visa.
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Speaker 3: Canceled is just moments away.
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Speaker 2: But first I want to turn to the peace talks
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Speaker 2: and negotiations between Russia and Ukraine that we saw already
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Speaker 2: the meeting with Putin and Trump in Alaska Saturday morning
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Speaker 2: our time. Now there's no deal broken at this stage.
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Speaker 2: Here was Donald Trump speaking with Sean Hannity on Fox
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Speaker 2: News after the meeting.
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Speaker 4: Mister President, that was my next question, he said at
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Speaker 4: the joint press conference, said, and you have said this
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Speaker 4: many many times, and he confirmed for the world today
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Speaker 4: that if you were president, this wouldn't have happened. Did
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Speaker 4: any of the specifics come up as to why?
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Speaker 1: He said that.
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Speaker 8: Maiden was a terrible president in so many ways. He
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Speaker 8: should have never let it happen, and it did. There
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Speaker 8: are millions of people killed. I mean, it's the worst
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Speaker 8: thing since I see all everyone's saying since World War Two.
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Speaker 8: By far, there's nothing even close.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and the deathtoll numbers are excessive, But even Donald
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Speaker 2: Trump is learning this war is harder to solve than
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Speaker 2: he first imagined.
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Speaker 3: Now, let's bring it now.
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Speaker 2: Guyanese contributed Koshagada Koisha, Thanks so much for your time. Now,
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Speaker 2: does this come down to whether Ukraine will agree to
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Speaker 2: give up territory that Russia does not currently control.
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Speaker 9: That is one of two or three of the key
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Speaker 9: sticking points. That really is why, as you said, and
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Speaker 9: President Trump has said, this is much more difficult than
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Speaker 9: he perhaps hoped or expected. The territorial demands and so
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Speaker 9: called land swaps. Where will those lines be drawn? And
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Speaker 9: we've come a long way from where the positions were
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Speaker 9: when this war started, unfortunately, and now it looks like,
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Speaker 9: you know, crimea very well might potentially be off the table.
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Speaker 9: That is something that Russia will keep. And then where
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Speaker 9: else and how far into Ukrainian land will the so
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Speaker 9: called new border be?
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Speaker 3: That is a key point.
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Speaker 9: The other key point, of course, is security guarantees that
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Speaker 9: President Zelenski has mentioned time and again is a deal
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Speaker 9: breaker for him, and the US does not have an
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Speaker 9: appetite to extend NATO membership to Ukraine. That's sort of
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Speaker 9: a key issue where there's just too much of an impasse,
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Speaker 9: if you will. But the security guarantees couldn't take a
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Speaker 9: different form or a different shape where there's Article five
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Speaker 9: type protections without formally being in NATO and Europe taking
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Speaker 9: more of a leading role in those security guarantees. I
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Speaker 9: think those are the two key sticking points that this
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Speaker 9: is going to come down to others. Yes, but that's
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Speaker 9: the crux of it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we have seen reports that Russia is prepared to
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Speaker 2: agree to some sort of security like guarantee or packed
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Speaker 2: for Ukraine. Now we know that Zelenski tomorrow will be
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Speaker 2: in the US.
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Speaker 3: European leaders as well.
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Speaker 2: Secretary of State Marco Rubio is calling out the narrative
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Speaker 2: that the Europeans have to be there to protect Zelenski
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Speaker 2: from bullying by Donald Trump.
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Speaker 3: Have a look, but.
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Speaker 10: You said that they're coming here tomorrow to keep Zelensky
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Speaker 10: for being bullied. They're not coming here tomorrow. This is
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Speaker 10: such a stupid media narrative that they're coming here tomorrow
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Speaker 10: because the Trump is going to bully Zelensky into a
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Speaker 10: bad deal. We've been working with these people for weeks,
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Speaker 10: for weeks on this stuff. They're coming here tomorrow because
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Speaker 10: they chose to come here tomorrow. We invited them to come.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is the narrative A Kosha, what can we
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Speaker 2: expect when Zelenski does arrive at the White House tomorrow.
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Speaker 9: You know, that certainly has been the narrative, and of course,
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Speaker 9: the last time he was in there, in that now
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Speaker 9: infamous Oval Office meeting, that's I think a lot of
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Speaker 9: people have scar tissue from how that went down. But
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Speaker 9: it looks like, you know, behind the scenes, progress has
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Speaker 9: been made. Secretary Marco Rubio did mention repeatedly in that
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Speaker 9: interview that we're far from a deal. We're not on
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Speaker 9: the verge of a piece deal by any stretch of
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Speaker 9: the imagination, but progress has been made. That's how he
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Speaker 9: was couching it. And so hopefully what we see is
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Speaker 9: more progress towards those two issues that we talked about,
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Speaker 9: the territorial demands and any concessions that President Zelensky may
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Speaker 9: or may not be willing to concede over that, and
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Speaker 9: then conversely, the security guarantees and what form of security
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Speaker 9: guarantees he might be willing to accept that don't look
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Speaker 9: like NATO membership. If we say a little bit of
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Speaker 9: progress towards that, and hopefully a friendlier press conference afterwards
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Speaker 9: or a showing between Presidence Trump and Zelensky. That would
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Speaker 9: I think be an interesting step up. Vice President Jade
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Speaker 9: Vance is reportedly going to be in that meeting, so
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Speaker 9: it is a little bit of an encore I think
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Speaker 9: of what result last time, But hopefully everybody's in a
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Speaker 9: better position now and moving towards some sort of negotiated
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Speaker 9: agreement where nobody's going to be completely happy, but hopefully
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Speaker 9: everybody is happy enough that we can land towards some
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Speaker 9: sort of piece.
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Speaker 2: That would be incredible, And I actually think it's a
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Speaker 2: wise idea, despite the narrative, to get the European leaders there.
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Speaker 2: So it's not all on Donald Trump to sort this out,
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Speaker 2: and so that Europe also has to play its role
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Speaker 2: in achieving some sort of either permanent piece or at
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Speaker 2: least a ceasefire in the meantime. Now, just before you go, Kosh,
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Speaker 2: I want to ask you about this letter that Milania
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Speaker 2: Trump wrote to Vladimir Putin.
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Speaker 3: This is quite rare.
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Speaker 2: I would have thought a first lady trying to, you know,
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Speaker 2: play her part in a potent peace deal. It was
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Speaker 2: hand delivered by Donald Trump at the Alaska summit, and
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Speaker 2: Milania wrote, in protecting the innocence of these children, you
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Speaker 2: will do more than serve Russia alone, you serve humanity itself.
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Speaker 2: So quite powerful words from the first Lady.
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Speaker 9: Yes, it is indeed rare in general, and especially from
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Speaker 9: this first lady. She really is an enigma in many ways.
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Speaker 9: She's famously very private. She's written her memoir and gives
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Speaker 9: a little bit of interviews press interviews here and there,
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Speaker 9: but not really unlike Jil Biden or Hillary.
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Speaker 3: Clinton, who are much more sort of in the forefront.
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Speaker 9: And for her to make this humanitarian plea, I think
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Speaker 9: there's symbolic value. It's a reminder of the humanitarian tool
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Speaker 9: of this. So it's about sovereignty and territory and all
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Speaker 9: of that, yes, but it's also about the humanitarian crisis
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Speaker 9: really that this is. And I think it's a reminder
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Speaker 9: that that is ultimately, I think the guiding principle of
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Speaker 9: why President Trump is involved and is helping to mediate this.
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Speaker 9: It really is about if that is end gall reducing killing,
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Speaker 9: you might be more willing to make concessions on some
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Speaker 9: of the policy matters, unlike if a different goal we're primary,
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Speaker 9: and if that were the secondary goal, you might take
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Speaker 9: a different path. And so her a wing in is
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Speaker 9: a bit of a charm offensive, if you will, and
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Speaker 9: maybe it plays some rule in softening the optics around
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Speaker 9: what's going to happen in the next few days.
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Speaker 2: Am all right, Koshagati, really appreciate the update, Thanks so much,
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Speaker 2: and of course we'll bring you more news on this
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Speaker 2: tomorrow night after the major meeting at the White House
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Speaker 2: with Zelenski and the European leaders. But now let's turn
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Speaker 2: to our exclusive story this evening. Home Affairs Minister Tony
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Speaker 2: Burke has banned a senior Israeli politician from visiting Australia
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Speaker 2: for three years now. He's done this just two weeks
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Speaker 2: after approving his visa. Simlkhar Rothman is part of Benjaminette
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Speaker 2: and ya Who's ruling coalition. He was supposed to arrive
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Speaker 2: tomorrow as part of a visit with the Australian Jewish
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Speaker 2: Association with David Adler and Robert Gregory. Now I broke
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Speaker 2: this story online earlier today. I spoke to Israel's Deputy
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Speaker 2: Foreign Affairs Minister Sharen Haskell about it.
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Speaker 3: She is outraged.
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Speaker 2: She told me that mister Rothman is a democratically elected
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Speaker 2: member of Israel's parliament who was invited by the Australian
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Speaker 2: Jewish community to take part in important discussions and events.
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Speaker 2: She said his exclusion sends a troubling message about the
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Speaker 2: strength of democratic exchange between our two countries.
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Speaker 3: And of course she's right.
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Speaker 2: It is part of this broader picture now where so
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Speaker 2: many visas are being counseled, so many Israeli visas are
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Speaker 2: being canceled, it seems after a complaint or two, and
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Speaker 2: if they've made some controversial remarks in media interviews. Well,
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Speaker 2: I'm pleased to say that. Simpra Rothman joins me. Now,
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Speaker 2: thank you, welcome to the program. Now you are meant
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Speaker 2: to arrive in Australia tomorrow morning. Tell me when did
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Speaker 2: you find out that your visa had been canceled?
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Speaker 11: Actually got it this morning.
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Speaker 1: It was.
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Speaker 11: Got I woke up five point thirty in the morning.
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Speaker 11: I got it.
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Speaker 12: It was sent like half an hour before, so it
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Speaker 12: was very early in the morning in Israel.
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Speaker 11: And sadly, I have.
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Speaker 12: To say, I saw this message and I saw that
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Speaker 12: I am being blamed not for any controversial comments that
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Speaker 12: I made, but on ideas and comments that are accepted
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Speaker 12: by wide consensus in Israel. It's not about any controversial
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Speaker 12: issue it's about me and me saying that Israel should
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Speaker 12: eliminate Hamas, that Hamas is bad and Israel is good,
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Speaker 12: that anyone who wants to sign with the good should
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Speaker 12: be with Israel, or that Palestinian state is the danger
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Speaker 12: to the State of Israel and it will be a
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Speaker 12: huge price for terror. Those views are accepted by I
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Speaker 12: passed resolution in the Conset with two thirds of the
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Speaker 12: Conset approving those ideas. So it's not against me, it's
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Speaker 12: against the State of Israel and actually against the Jewish people,
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Speaker 12: as I seen well.
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Speaker 2: I asked Tony Burke why he'd canceled your vison and
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Speaker 2: his office gave me a statement.
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Speaker 3: I'm going to read it to you.
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Speaker 2: It says our government takes a hard line on people
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Speaker 2: who seek to come to our country and spread division.
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Speaker 2: If you are coming to Australia to spread a message
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Speaker 2: of hate and.
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Speaker 3: Division, we don't want you here.
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Speaker 2: He's saying to you that you were planning to spread
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Speaker 2: a message of hate and division and that we don't
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Speaker 2: want you here.
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Speaker 3: What is your response to this.
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Speaker 12: I saw many people in Australia chanting.
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Speaker 11: In the streets from the river to the sea.
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Speaker 12: Palestine would be free I would think this is a
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Speaker 12: message of hate and division that calls for the destruction
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Speaker 12: of the State of Israel and therefore actually for general
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Speaker 12: side of Jews.
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Speaker 11: That's a message of hate and destruction.
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Speaker 12: I did not see the Government of Australia doing anything
21:04
Speaker 12: against those messages. A message that says that Ramas is bad,
21:08
Speaker 12: that Israel is good. Anyone who watched the videos from
21:11
Speaker 12: October seventh should not call this message a haten hate
21:16
Speaker 12: or division. That's reality, that's truth, that common sense, not hate,
21:24
Speaker 12: not the vision. And also, I'm coming to Australia to
21:28
Speaker 12: spread a message that the State of Israel is behind
21:31
Speaker 12: the Jewish community facing terrible anti Semitic attacks on synagogues
21:36
Speaker 12: and on community centers that everyone in Australia knows about.
21:40
Speaker 11: So to say that anyone who.
21:42
Speaker 12: Is coming for the support of the Jewish community just
21:46
Speaker 12: by his appearance creates hate and division tells more about
21:51
Speaker 12: the Minister of Home Affairs than about me or about
21:55
Speaker 12: the state of Israel.
21:57
Speaker 2: The government also citing examples that in a media interview.
22:02
Speaker 2: Now I haven't seen this media interview myself. This is
22:04
Speaker 2: according to the government, they claim that you called Palestinian
22:09
Speaker 2: children enemies in a media interview.
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Speaker 3: Is that true?
22:17
Speaker 12: I said, They asked me in an interview. They asked me,
22:20
Speaker 12: why shouldn't Israel allow Palestinians to go into Israel? And
22:25
Speaker 12: I said, of course, the Palestinians are enemies, and then
22:28
Speaker 12: they are trying.
22:29
Speaker 11: To invade Israel. We all saw it. By the way.
22:32
Speaker 12: We saw many people who were technically children that participated
22:37
Speaker 12: in October seventh events. We saw children that were taught
22:41
Speaker 12: from age zero, by the way, through fundings that came
22:46
Speaker 12: from Australia and other countries, to kill old Jews at sight.
22:49
Speaker 12: I think that you say that to allow them inside
22:52
Speaker 12: ISRAELI borders, that's insanity. I don't think that something of
22:57
Speaker 12: a controversial, definitely not in Israel and not for anyone
23:01
Speaker 12: who in his right mind, I think that to say
23:05
Speaker 12: that Israel is facing the most terrible enemies that teaches
23:10
Speaker 12: his children from kindergarten to kill old.
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Speaker 11: Jews, that's fine. We saw it. We thought that. We
23:16
Speaker 11: heard all who heard the phocals of a person.
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Speaker 12: I don't know if a person is the right name
23:22
Speaker 12: for the monsters that came into Israel.
23:24
Speaker 11: And calls home and brags to his younger brother child.
23:29
Speaker 12: That he killed ten Jews and the young children that
23:33
Speaker 12: taught from age zero to hate and to kill old Jews. Yes,
23:37
Speaker 12: they were corrupted by Tramas and by this Nazi ideology.
23:42
Speaker 12: And anyone who's facing it, he is now being blame
23:44
Speaker 12: of hate and the vision. Not the people who are
23:47
Speaker 12: supporting Hamas, but people are against Kamas, who are against
23:51
Speaker 12: raping of innocent civilians, who are against raping of women
23:58
Speaker 12: and children and beheading of children. That's if you're against it,
24:02
Speaker 12: then you are spreading hate and division.
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Speaker 11: Shame on the minister birth mmm.
24:09
Speaker 2: Without that education program that you're speaking about, where children
24:12
Speaker 2: are indoctrinated to hate Jews in Israel, that was one
24:15
Speaker 2: of the things the Prime Minister Anthony Alberizi said he
24:19
Speaker 2: discussed with Palestinian Authority leader Makhmurdad. Bassi said, makmurda Bras agreed,
24:24
Speaker 2: if you can believe him, who would believe Makmurdabas. But
24:27
Speaker 2: Albanezi put that education program on the table in his
24:30
Speaker 2: discussions with Makmurdabas, and he said that the Palestinian leader
24:34
Speaker 2: did agree to end it. So so look, supposedly it's
24:38
Speaker 2: that programs are concerned for the Prime Minister as well,
24:41
Speaker 2: but perhaps it was the expression. I don't know, I
24:43
Speaker 2: haven't seen the interview that the government's referring to. Bet
24:47
Speaker 2: simkha Rothman. Thank you for coming on the show tonight.
24:49
Speaker 2: I'm sorry your visa has been canceled.
24:52
Speaker 3: Appreciate your time.
24:55
Speaker 11: Thank you, thank you very much.
24:58
Speaker 2: Now, still a big show ahead. Ray Hadley coming up
25:00
Speaker 2: a bit later. But now let's bring in our regular
25:03
Speaker 2: Monday night panel, Sky News host Joe Hildebrand and former
25:06
Speaker 2: Speaker of the House Roman Bishop.
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Speaker 3: Welcome.
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Speaker 2: Now, I just want to get your reaction very quickly
25:13
Speaker 2: to that bron when perhaps he might have worded that
25:17
Speaker 2: in a controversial, even offensive way.
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Speaker 3: I don't know, I haven't heard the interview.
25:23
Speaker 2: But if he said children were enemies, if that's what
25:26
Speaker 2: he said, if you know that is an offensive, highly
25:31
Speaker 2: offensive thing to say, should he be banned from Australia.
25:36
Speaker 13: I think that what Burkeer's done is payback for his
25:40
Speaker 13: having to withdraw the visa that was given to the
25:45
Speaker 13: woman who was applying for an entertainment visa to come
25:49
Speaker 13: and spread hatred in Australia because she approved what was done.
25:54
Speaker 13: On October seven, he was outed by Andrew Hasty, he
25:58
Speaker 13: had to eat humble pie, and this is payback.
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Speaker 2: And you know the point is as well, Joe, that
26:04
Speaker 2: politicians from every country in the world say highly offensive things.
26:09
Speaker 3: I mean, look at the things.
26:10
Speaker 2: Donald Drumper said, but you wouldn't ban them from coming
26:14
Speaker 2: into a country.
26:15
Speaker 3: It's a current politician, so in a democracy, it's an
26:19
Speaker 3: interesting way.
26:19
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't lie.
26:20
Speaker 14: I hated the signs of the Ayatola on the Harbor
26:23
Speaker 14: Bridge or the chance of death to the idef And
26:26
Speaker 14: sadly there's not much we can do.
26:27
Speaker 1: Well.
26:27
Speaker 14: We can try to prosecute people in cite violence, but again,
26:30
Speaker 14: you know, when your own citizens are doing it, that's
26:32
Speaker 14: bad enough. We do have the chance, though, to be
26:34
Speaker 14: able to control who comes here. We have blocked people
26:37
Speaker 14: like Candice Owens, people like Kanye West, and it's not
26:41
Speaker 14: payback at all.
26:42
Speaker 1: I think that's an absurd.
26:43
Speaker 3: Class coming current.
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Speaker 2: This is a current politician elected in a democracy.
26:49
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right.
26:49
Speaker 3: Again, based on some media reports, some interview that we
26:53
Speaker 3: don't know.
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Speaker 14: Yeah, I mean, if you're saying that the children are
26:57
Speaker 14: enemy combatants, I mean that seems to be quite sane.
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Speaker 1: He wasn't. Again, like you I haven't.
27:02
Speaker 14: I haven't read this heard I've heard his comments sign
27:04
Speaker 14: and look, everyone said things that are controversial.
27:06
Speaker 3: What Donald Trump said, there's no greater example.
27:09
Speaker 14: I think Donald if Donald Trump wasn't president anymore, I
27:13
Speaker 14: think there's every chance that a visa could be Remember.
27:15
Speaker 2: When his son didn't get the visa in time. I
27:18
Speaker 2: remember when Clara O'Neil was.
27:19
Speaker 15: An administrative or I think eventually after he counted his trip,
27:23
Speaker 15: I said it was paid back for a very good reason,
27:26
Speaker 15: that when he took away the visa from the woman
27:29
Speaker 15: who approved of the killing on the seventh of October,
27:32
Speaker 15: that the reasons for her losing her visa were communicated
27:35
Speaker 15: to her.
27:36
Speaker 13: But on this occasion he has come out and said
27:39
Speaker 13: directly that this visa was being canceled because he was
27:43
Speaker 13: coming here to spent hatred and division. Now, he didn't
27:47
Speaker 13: make out that case, and that's why I say it's payback.
27:50
Speaker 13: He doesn't like being shown up.
27:57
Speaker 3: With what she said. Just a nonsense. It's so ridiculous.
28:01
Speaker 2: Now, just on this topic of the confused foreign policy
28:05
Speaker 2: news poll in The Australian Today found that Australians are
28:09
Speaker 2: more concerned about Trump's tariffs than they are about the
28:14
Speaker 2: military threat from China.
28:16
Speaker 3: I mean Bronwin.
28:17
Speaker 2: This is inexplicable that people genuinely see Trump.
28:20
Speaker 3: The people in.
28:21
Speaker 2: Australia see Trumps a greater threat than President She despite
28:26
Speaker 2: the endless acts of foreign interference, espionage and military aggression
28:31
Speaker 2: that are going on.
28:32
Speaker 13: Yes, but that's because the government doesn't respond. There's been
28:36
Speaker 13: no defense of Australia against those actions taken against Australian
28:41
Speaker 13: personnel and the Australian waters. And therefore, when the people
28:47
Speaker 13: got used to the fact that China put tariffs on
28:50
Speaker 13: and that impacted on Australia, they didn't like that either.
28:53
Speaker 13: So they're seeing that tariffs are an issue, but there
28:56
Speaker 13: is no expos a and not no serious argument about
29:01
Speaker 13: what China has done, which is why I have said
29:03
Speaker 13: again and again that we are going more and more
29:06
Speaker 13: towards being a vassal state where we prepared to surrender
29:09
Speaker 13: our sovereignty to a superior power ie China, and moving
29:13
Speaker 13: further away from the United States. It's almost a deliberate
29:19
Speaker 13: move that the Penny Wong is using, particularly in things
29:25
Speaker 13: that she is saying. So I think we're in a
29:27
Speaker 13: very dangerous position. But the one thing I did find
29:31
Speaker 13: rather good about all that is that only twenty five
29:34
Speaker 13: percent of people agreed with acknowledging Palestine. The other seventy
29:39
Speaker 13: five percent don't. Some are fiercely against it, others say
29:43
Speaker 13: well no, no, no, no, but only twenty five percent. Now,
29:47
Speaker 13: for all the accent on the issue that we've seen
29:51
Speaker 13: with the demonstrations and so on, fifty one percent of
29:54
Speaker 13: people have come out and said, after what happened on
29:57
Speaker 13: Sydney Harbor Bridge, that pro Palestinian marches and pro Asraeli
30:03
Speaker 13: ones for that matter, should be banned.
30:05
Speaker 11: Yeah.
30:05
Speaker 13: So the Australian people have still got a good sense
30:09
Speaker 13: of what is right and what is wrong, and there
30:11
Speaker 13: are very many interesting things in those surveys.
30:14
Speaker 2: If only they were I wish those marches would be bound,
30:17
Speaker 2: or at least limited to one a month. Now you
30:21
Speaker 2: then pay for them, yes, and pay for them yourself exactly.
30:24
Speaker 3: That is what the policy I would introduce.
30:26
Speaker 2: You want to protest, don't cost the states and taxpayers
30:29
Speaker 2: millions and millions and dollars, pay for yourself.
30:31
Speaker 3: You can have one for free and pay for the
30:32
Speaker 3: risk exactly.
30:34
Speaker 2: Now, unions are pushing for employers to give remote workers
30:38
Speaker 2: twenty six weeks notice before requiring them to return to
30:43
Speaker 2: the office. That's six months notice before saying you've got
30:45
Speaker 2: to get back to work now, Joe, the union seem obsessed.
30:50
Speaker 14: That's a hell of a commute, isn't it.
30:52
Speaker 1: I thought mine was bad.
30:55
Speaker 14: I have to speak to people who complained about an
30:57
Speaker 14: hour and a half each way.
30:58
Speaker 1: You've got poor.
30:59
Speaker 14: Workers taking six months just to get there.
31:02
Speaker 1: Go. We have to approve our new city's trainings were bad.
31:05
Speaker 1: But this is ridiculous.
31:07
Speaker 2: Your humor is infectious tonight, as you wanted when we
31:10
Speaker 2: were talking about if we were still infectious, which were not.
31:13
Speaker 3: So this is the unions are getting.
31:15
Speaker 2: Ridiculously obsessed with working from home policy and enforcing it.
31:20
Speaker 1: Yeah.
31:20
Speaker 14: I think there's I mean there's unions and unions. I'm
31:22
Speaker 14: a big supporter of some unions, particularly those the right
31:26
Speaker 14: of the lab Party, who are very sensible and try
31:28
Speaker 14: to work with employers and the government to do things
31:31
Speaker 14: like boost productivity. And the last time we had a
31:34
Speaker 14: kind of round table like this were the accords between
31:38
Speaker 14: the Hawk Keating government and Bill Kelty and the ACTU
31:42
Speaker 14: and that was actually an incredibly important watershed moment for
31:46
Speaker 14: the Australian economy.
31:47
Speaker 1: And now we've got.
31:49
Speaker 14: A sort of an accord light kind of roundtable where
31:52
Speaker 14: the government is also trying to boost proactivity, and you've
31:56
Speaker 14: got the unions openly and publicly say oh, actually no,
31:59
Speaker 14: we want to work less, or actually we don't want
32:01
Speaker 14: to go back to the office, or you have to
32:02
Speaker 14: give us six months notice. And I just think that
32:04
Speaker 14: is and both of these they.
32:06
Speaker 2: Seem confused with what the definition of productivity is, don't they.
32:09
Speaker 14: Well, I think they think that it's a summer to
32:11
Speaker 14: reduce productivity and that's the misread the press release.
32:15
Speaker 1: And I don't think.
32:17
Speaker 14: It's no coincidence that both the I s U and
32:19
Speaker 14: the a CTU are dominated by the left of the
32:22
Speaker 14: Labor Party and not the kind of unions or the
32:26
Speaker 14: previous incarnation of the a c t U, which was pragmatic, which.
32:29
Speaker 2: I understood because I know was about to got you
32:32
Speaker 2: out on that.
32:32
Speaker 3: But you can't possibly compare Bill Kelty to.
32:35
Speaker 1: The lead Well, that's what I'm saying. I'm saying it's
32:38
Speaker 1: vastly inferior. Now I'm saying Bill.
32:40
Speaker 13: Comment comparison between what's going to happen in the next
32:44
Speaker 13: three days and their cords.
32:46
Speaker 14: No, I said Bill, Bill Kelty, And when they sat
32:48
Speaker 14: down with the courts, that was really really good. And
32:50
Speaker 14: now you've got the current leader of leadership of the
32:52
Speaker 14: a c TU actually being a drag, not helping the
32:54
Speaker 14: process and contributing and saying what can we do, but
32:57
Speaker 14: actually saying actually a fast and absolute fast. Okay, I
33:03
Speaker 14: reverse my position. The current leadership of the ICTU is
33:06
Speaker 14: doing a fantastic job. It was a new high watermark
33:08
Speaker 14: and industrial representation.
33:10
Speaker 3: Oh Joe, you shouldn't be.
33:11
Speaker 11: So like that.
33:13
Speaker 3: Well, it starts tomorrow.
33:14
Speaker 1: If you check if the pieces working broadly.
33:17
Speaker 3: Tomorrow night problem Bishop.
33:18
Speaker 1: Thank you very much, share it cheers.
33:21
Speaker 2: Now, still to calm, the government won't rule out new taxes.
33:24
Speaker 2: Ahead of that round table, I'll talk to Judo Bank
33:27
Speaker 2: chief economist Warren Hogan. Plus the stunning moment a journalist
33:31
Speaker 2: confronts a hairdresser who kicked out in Israeli. Ray Hadley
33:36
Speaker 2: will join me next. Welcome back and joining me now
33:43
Speaker 2: on the desk is radio legend Ray Hadley, Ray, great
33:46
Speaker 2: to see.
33:46
Speaker 7: You, Good to see you, Cherry, good to see you.
33:49
Speaker 1: Plenty happening.
33:50
Speaker 2: I know so much going on now. I couldn't believe
33:52
Speaker 2: this footage today. Rebel news journalist av Yemeny, who by
33:55
Speaker 2: the way, I think is so courageous, genuinely got more
33:59
Speaker 2: courage than possibly anyone else in the country. He confronted
34:03
Speaker 2: the owner of a hairdressing hairdressing salon in Bentley, Victoria,
34:07
Speaker 2: after she refused to serve an Israeli customer.
34:11
Speaker 16: I'll have a look at this, non he'd ask you
34:14
Speaker 16: why you kicked someone out when you found out that
34:16
Speaker 16: were Israeli?
34:17
Speaker 11: Why did you give.
34:18
Speaker 3: Her a baby keller?
34:19
Speaker 1: Now off.
34:21
Speaker 7: You also have a post that says repost if trans
34:23
Speaker 7: people are welcome and safe with you a Jewish Israeli
34:27
Speaker 7: trans people safe with you here?
34:29
Speaker 11: Oh yeah, I'm look as stokers.
34:31
Speaker 17: I definitely not. And she also forgot that. In Israel,
34:34
Speaker 17: you know, we have a very big celebration, you know,
34:37
Speaker 17: towards the Transpippert and the Gates and Palestine actually Kingdom, and.
34:44
Speaker 3: Good on Avi for exposing that.
34:46
Speaker 2: But Ray, when you've got the facial government banning Israeli's
34:49
Speaker 2: from the country, well you're not going to be surprised
34:53
Speaker 2: that a business in Melbourne's doing the same.
34:55
Speaker 7: I don't think she might be a great hairdresser, but
34:57
Speaker 7: I don't think she knows too much about racial discrimination.
35:00
Speaker 7: She said all sorts of things after she escorted the
35:03
Speaker 7: gentleman out, and I think one customer was reported as
35:07
Speaker 7: saying today that she's been going there for years, she
35:10
Speaker 7: probably won't be going back. But you're right, I mean
35:13
Speaker 7: this is all because of the federal government. They show
35:16
Speaker 7: the way they allowed people to go on to the
35:18
Speaker 7: Sydney Harborbridge carrying ISIS flags, flags of terrorist organizations. There's
35:24
Speaker 7: a Blake standing next to Julian no Sage, Bob Carr
35:28
Speaker 7: Clovermore who went to a funeral service for the Hesbala
35:32
Speaker 7: lead or another of course terrorist organization. And so you
35:37
Speaker 7: know it's a mixed message being sent out. And then
35:40
Speaker 7: you've got the Prime Minister coming up with this done
35:42
Speaker 7: ahead of decision last week about the Palestinian.
35:45
Speaker 3: The recognition recognition.
35:47
Speaker 2: We'll get to what people think about that in a minute.
35:49
Speaker 2: But you just mentioned the Racial Discrimination Act.
35:52
Speaker 3: Now you'd assume that this is clearly in breach of it.
35:55
Speaker 3: But this is the issue. Who's going to enforce that?
35:58
Speaker 7: Well, I guess the gentleman offended again is the most
36:00
Speaker 7: likely one to take it somewhere to some sort of
36:04
Speaker 7: tributal into the future. But you're right, probably Tony Burke
36:10
Speaker 7: and others probably think it's a fair gale.
36:13
Speaker 3: If you're ready to agree with it.
36:14
Speaker 1: I mean, well, they're.
36:15
Speaker 7: Probably not going to say that, but I don't think
36:17
Speaker 7: they're going to take any action themselves against anyone.
36:20
Speaker 3: No exactly. All right, well, let's have a look at
36:22
Speaker 3: this survey that you.
36:26
Speaker 2: Pardon me, I'm not infectious anymore on day twelve. I've
36:29
Speaker 2: never had twelve of the flus.
36:31
Speaker 1: It takes it ever to go, so I've had at
36:34
Speaker 1: my age.
36:35
Speaker 7: You have flu in vaccinations, you have COVID vaccinations, you
36:38
Speaker 7: have influenza vaccinations.
36:39
Speaker 1: You can cough all over me, darling, and I won't
36:41
Speaker 1: get a thing.
36:42
Speaker 2: I'm glad you went here last week so would have
36:45
Speaker 2: been infectious then. So The City Morning Herald showed today
36:49
Speaker 2: that forty four percent of Australians do not support the
36:54
Speaker 2: Albanezi government's move to recognize a Palestinian state. Another thirty
36:59
Speaker 2: two percent Australia should wait until her Musk was removed
37:02
Speaker 2: from power, and only twenty four percent back to dead.
37:07
Speaker 1: Well, I'm not going to blame Matthew not he doesn't
37:08
Speaker 1: know the headlines. He've actually reported what the poll said.
37:12
Speaker 7: But the headline on the front page of the Herald,
37:14
Speaker 7: nine used papers is there now known said there's been
37:17
Speaker 7: a swing in relation to the Prime Minister's decision, and
37:22
Speaker 7: they were suggesting that more people supported him than opposed him. Now,
37:27
Speaker 7: mathematics is not my strongest suit. But if forty four
37:30
Speaker 7: percent oppose it and thirty two percent say, look, we
37:33
Speaker 7: can't support it unless you get rid of her mass,
37:35
Speaker 7: and her mass is still there, and twenty four percent
37:37
Speaker 7: say is right. Well, the way I figured, that's seventy
37:40
Speaker 7: six or twenty four.
37:42
Speaker 1: It's not a swing towards the Prime minister.
37:45
Speaker 7: However, he'll be emboldened by the various polls you've already
37:49
Speaker 7: spoken about today.
37:50
Speaker 1: But we will talk about that, I guess.
37:52
Speaker 7: And Susan Lee, I've been saying to you from day one,
37:56
Speaker 7: the day she was appointed.
37:57
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't dislike Susan Lee.
37:59
Speaker 7: I'm sure she's a lovely lady, but you know, my
38:02
Speaker 7: late mother was a lovely lady as well.
38:03
Speaker 1: But it wouldn't make.
38:04
Speaker 7: Her the leader of the Liberal Party. There's got to
38:07
Speaker 7: be more to it. She susanly has well, she's got
38:11
Speaker 7: a problem with her profile. No one knows who she is,
38:13
Speaker 7: and those who do know who she is don't know
38:16
Speaker 7: what she represents.
38:17
Speaker 2: And people say, you know, she's a new leader, so
38:19
Speaker 2: that they just don't know who she is. Yet she's
38:21
Speaker 2: been in the Parliament for something like two decades.
38:24
Speaker 3: I mean, people should know who she is, blaying it hasn't.
38:27
Speaker 1: Been a main player. That's the problem for her.
38:30
Speaker 2: The only time she became a household name was when
38:34
Speaker 2: you know the.
38:35
Speaker 3: Travel warts that she got travel wats that she got
38:38
Speaker 3: sacked for.
38:39
Speaker 1: It not a good thing to be well known for.
38:40
Speaker 7: But the simple fact of the matter is I'm not
38:44
Speaker 7: going to blame her. I'm going to blame the party
38:46
Speaker 7: for elevating her to that position. I mean she's been,
38:49
Speaker 7: in my opinion, her beyond her station in life, and
38:51
Speaker 7: as charming as she may be, that can't be the
38:54
Speaker 7: only reason I think of the One of the thoughts
38:57
Speaker 7: was after Peter Dutton exited, of course, in the dramatic
39:01
Speaker 7: circumstances he did, they said, oh, we want to soft
39:03
Speaker 7: the profile, and it'll come from a woman, obviously, but
39:05
Speaker 7: there are plenty of other women they could have chosen.
39:07
Speaker 7: Exactly with a larger profile, but she just doesn't cut through.
39:11
Speaker 3: And most of them are in the Senate.
39:13
Speaker 7: Of course, I know we've got to elevate them to
39:16
Speaker 7: the lower House.
39:17
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know, I just don't look.
39:20
Speaker 7: The polls today say that after the disastrous election, they've
39:25
Speaker 7: lost ground. Now she's got to take responsibility for that.
39:29
Speaker 7: She has to solely take responsibility. They have an enunciated
39:33
Speaker 7: their policies. She's wishy washy about renewables. She hedges her
39:37
Speaker 7: bets about it. She can't make up her mind whether
39:40
Speaker 7: she's for it or again it until she actually says,
39:45
Speaker 7: you know, no, we're going to stand up and fight this,
39:49
Speaker 7: you know, and enunciate the policies. That might give her
39:53
Speaker 7: a profile, the fact that she goes on the front foot,
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Speaker 7: but I don't think she's capably doing it.
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Speaker 3: Do you agree with what I said earlier?
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Speaker 2: The party reflects the leader, and when you have a
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Speaker 2: week leader like this who doesn't have any convictions.
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Speaker 3: As you've been saying, then that's.
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Speaker 2: What the people see about the Liberal Party as well.
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Speaker 7: It's a replication of what we see in the New
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Speaker 7: South Wales all of a sudden, Mark Speakman in the
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Speaker 7: last Fortnight's decide. I'm going to be strong and I'm
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Speaker 7: going to shout down the cowards and all the rest
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Speaker 7: of it.
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Speaker 1: Well, the reason the cowards.
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Speaker 7: Are shouting your words, not mind Mark, is because you're
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Speaker 7: as weak as water. And I'm afraid it's sort of
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Speaker 7: like a pandemic among the Liberals. It's catching week leaders.
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Speaker 7: We've got week leaders in Victoria. We've got a week
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Speaker 7: leader in New South Wales. We're going a week leader
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Speaker 7: federally the Liberal Party. And you've got to have strong people.
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Speaker 7: And yes, they're going to get people offside, as Dunton
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Speaker 7: did from time to time, but you've got to be stronger.
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Speaker 1: You've got to hold your position.
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Speaker 3: And she hasn't got one, no, no, exactly.
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Speaker 2: And I mean to think that Albo is now in
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Speaker 2: a stronger position than at the May election. And if
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Speaker 2: there was an election today, he'd cut more seats.
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Speaker 3: They've already got over ninety seats.
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Speaker 1: He must just sit back and think he can do whatever.
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Speaker 1: I don't care what I do.
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Speaker 7: I can recognize Palestine, I can go to the UN
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Speaker 7: General Assembly, I.
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Speaker 3: Can do this, I can do that, raise taxes round.
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Speaker 7: We can stop people coming, democratic elect that people come
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Speaker 7: from Israel to speak to Jewish people people.
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Speaker 1: We can do whatever I like because we're not answerable
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Speaker 1: to anyone.
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Speaker 7: And the polling showing that both the nine nine TV
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Speaker 7: pol and also the Australian Pole, they'll.
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Speaker 3: See it as an endorsement that they're on the right track.
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Speaker 3: But I think, you know.
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Speaker 7: Look, Albo's a lot of things, but he's not stupid.
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Speaker 7: He knows he's where he is because of Susan Lee.
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Speaker 7: He knows that he's up against the very weak leader.
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Speaker 3: This is a very arrogant guy. He probably thinks it's
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Speaker 3: all him.
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Speaker 1: Nah, or maybe maybe he's more arrogant than I think.
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Speaker 7: I don't think he's the smartest prime And in fact
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Speaker 7: I said after he made this decision last week about Palestine.
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Speaker 7: When I was on radio up until December last year,
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Speaker 7: I used to always say it's a triple dead heat.
42:05
Speaker 7: The worst prime ministers during my time in broadcasting were
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Speaker 7: Malcolm Turnbull, Kevin Rudd and now Anthony Albanisi. Well he's
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Speaker 7: now got those two covered by the length of the strait.
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Speaker 7: He was the worst prime minister we've had in living memory.
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Speaker 3: One percent, one percent.
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Speaker 2: He is so weak, his values do not align with
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Speaker 2: mainstream Australians is far from an intellectual heavyweight. He is
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Speaker 2: not even very bright. He doesn't speak properly.
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Speaker 1: I'll go as far as this.
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Speaker 7: He's making Turble and Rudd look almost statesmanlike.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, amaze inadequacy.
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Speaker 2: Prefer both of them, would prefer both of them two
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Speaker 2: back at least, but at least their values are more
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Speaker 2: aligned with middle Australia.
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Speaker 1: There's a lot of prime ministers i'd prefer, including.
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Speaker 7: Bob Hawk, Paul Keating, definitely, John Howard, Tony Abbott, A
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Speaker 7: lot of prime ministers i'd prefer than the other two.
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Speaker 1: But I'd still prefer them in front of the current.
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Speaker 3: We didn't know how lucky we were at the time.
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Speaker 3: We should have been more grateful.
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Speaker 7: No, well, maybe it'll happen again. I just table I
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Speaker 7: live long enough to see the next Liberal prime minister.
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Speaker 7: I don't think I will. It might be a long
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Speaker 7: time on. Well, we're talking three.
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Speaker 3: Terms twenty thirty one.
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Speaker 1: You think, well, I'll be here in the walking frame.
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Speaker 2: You'll be here, You'll be here fighting, You'll be here
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Speaker 2: shouting probably.
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Speaker 7: Yours as well as the voice tells up. I'll be okay.
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Speaker 7: I might be mobile but I'll be the boys will.
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Speaker 3: Be okay, right right, see you next week. Thanks, ye
43:32
Speaker 3: are still to come.
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Speaker 2: The scathing comments from Justice Michael Lee as Quantus has hit.
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Speaker 3: With a ninety million dollar fine.
43:39
Speaker 2: Plus we've been speaking out about the flu will why
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Speaker 2: it's at record levels this year.
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Speaker 3: That's all coming out.
43:48
Speaker 2: Welcome back with this roundtable is meant to be an
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Speaker 2: ideas summit to drive productivity. Look at what we're hearing
43:55
Speaker 2: before it begins tomorrow. The os reports of the Productivity
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Speaker 2: Commission will a carbon price and it's controversial cashflow levy
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Speaker 2: are the most efficient ways to future proof Australia's economy.
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Speaker 3: I mean seriously, a carbon tax, a cash flow levy.
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Speaker 2: They seem to not know what productivity is. This from
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Speaker 2: the Productivity Commission. Let's bring in now Judo Bank chief
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Speaker 2: economist Warren Hogan. Warren, I mean, what do you think
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Speaker 2: about these sort of ideas?
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Speaker 18: Yeah, well, hopefully they're just ideas and we're going to
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Speaker 18: sort of hear a lot of and we already have
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Speaker 18: heard a lot of ideas the Productivity Commission reports and
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Speaker 18: they've done five of them now to be taken seriously
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Speaker 18: as they're commissioned by the government, and one of the
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Speaker 18: first ones they did was a cash flow tax for business.
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Speaker 18: That is, to fund not just a tax cut for
44:48
Speaker 18: small business by taxing bigger business more, but to augment
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Speaker 18: the current company tax rate with a cash flow tax,
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Speaker 18: which is a whole new system with complications pricing, carbon taxing.
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Speaker 18: I mean, they're all up for grabs. I just hope
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Speaker 18: this doesn't become a bonfire of good ideas, because the
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Speaker 18: reality of the whole productivity story in this economy is
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Speaker 18: we must first get a consensus on why productivity is
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Speaker 18: so weak, and only once we have a common understanding
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Speaker 18: of the problem can we seek useful and enduring solutions.
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Speaker 18: And I'd like to see the next three days spent
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Speaker 18: on trying to define the problem and how what we've
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Speaker 18: got to fix, rather than coming up with a whole
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Speaker 18: bunch of ideas and policies and solutions which may not
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Speaker 18: be solving the problem and may even make matters us.
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Speaker 2: We're also seeing speculation that labor might target and act
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Speaker 2: some of the tax concessions for higher income earners. I mean,
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Speaker 2: we know already that middle income owners shoulder the burden
45:54
Speaker 2: of tax for this country, So you know, what do
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Speaker 2: you think about these suggestions that are being put forward.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, we're hearing from a few quarters.
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Speaker 18: There's going to be strong arguments made to not increase
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Speaker 18: the tax burden on the Australian economy and community. The
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Speaker 18: problem is this government has grown its commitments, it's spending
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Speaker 18: programs and they are about to get a whole lot
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Speaker 18: more expensive as inflation keeps running through our economy. So
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Speaker 18: they are naturally going to seek more tax revenues. But
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Speaker 18: I think the real battle front, and the first battlefront
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Speaker 18: that should be fought by the Coalition is not to
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Speaker 18: increase tax and to look for an efficiency because if
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Speaker 18: this just becomes a avenue to increase the tax burden
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Speaker 18: on younger Australians, that is, income earners, or on wealthier Australians,
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Speaker 18: then I don't think that's going to deliver an increasing
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Speaker 18: productivity at all. In fact, it will probably be probably
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Speaker 18: be detrimental to productivity growth over.
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Speaker 1: The longer term.
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Speaker 2: And now I want to ask you a Quantas. The
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Speaker 2: Federal Court has slapped Quantus with a ninety million dollar
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Speaker 2: fine for illegally outsourcing more than one eight hundred jobs.
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Speaker 3: This is back in twenty twenty during the pandemic.
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Speaker 2: Federal court judged just as Michael Lee handed the company
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Speaker 2: the fine. His final judgment was scathing on the matter,
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Speaker 2: and he implicated former chief executive Alan Joyce and condemned
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Speaker 2: the airline's conduct in the case.
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Speaker 16: Have a look there is no evidence anyone within Quantus
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Speaker 16: investigated how the process was able to become too focused
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Speaker 16: on protecting this decision from legal challenge, and why it
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Speaker 16: was that a lesson candid picture of what happened was
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Speaker 16: placed before the court. The need for specific determs to
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Speaker 16: ensure change does take place and takes root to Quantus.
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Speaker 11: He's highly significant, Warren.
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Speaker 2: It was a brutal assessment from Justice Lee. Will Quantus learn.
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Speaker 18: From this, I'm sure they will, but it's just another
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Speaker 18: example of why there's a lot of mistrust of business
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Speaker 18: in our community, of course big business. So I think
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Speaker 18: scathing assessment is an accurate one, and we need character
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Speaker 18: at the front of our business community. If not, we
48:09
Speaker 18: will continue to have this problem where it's workers versus capital,
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Speaker 18: and of course that's going to get us nowhere in
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Speaker 18: a world we're actually short of workers and we need
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Speaker 18: everyone to be on the same page. So I think
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Speaker 18: Quannas's behavior has been appropriately assessed. Whether or not the
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Speaker 18: financial damages are accurate. The reality is it was terrible behavior,
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Speaker 18: a lack of character, and of course this isn't going
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Speaker 18: to help the cause of business, which ultimately is what's
48:37
Speaker 18: going to drive our economy forward.
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Speaker 3: Indeed, all right, Warren, hope you appreciate your time. Thank you.
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Speaker 2: After the break, Australia records a record number of flu cases.
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Speaker 2: That's next, don't go away, well, just before we finish
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Speaker 2: up tonight. By May this year, Australia had recorded a
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Speaker 2: record number of flu cases. Now the government's National Notifiable
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Speaker 2: Disease Surveillance System had reported two hundred and eighty eight
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Speaker 2: thousand notifications of influenza nationwide, and this figure comes as
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Speaker 2: vaccination rates are diving across the country, particularly among children.
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Speaker 2: The figures show that only twenty five percent of children
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Speaker 2: aged between six months and five years have received the
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Speaker 2: flu vaccine. In Queensland, that number is just nineteen and
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Speaker 2: a half percent, with news dot Com reporting last week
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Speaker 2: that thirty four school aid children were admitted to Queensland
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Speaker 2: hospitals with influenza in just one week.
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Speaker 3: Now. Flu can be.
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Speaker 2: Extremely serious for babies, for young children and its life
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Speaker 2: threatening for their elderly.
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Speaker 3: But this is a.
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Speaker 2: Consequence of health authorities urging everyone to get the COVID
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Speaker 2: vaccine without adequate warning.
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Speaker 3: About the side effects.
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Speaker 2: Now, this loss of trust in vaccines is having dire consequences,
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Speaker 2: and it's not just flu vaccines. The percentage of children
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Speaker 2: in Australia who are fully vaccinated has fallen every single
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Speaker 2: year and we're seeing more preventable deaths as a result.
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Speaker 2: All right, that's all we've got time for today. I'll
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Speaker 2: see you tomorrow at eight. And here's Paul Murray.