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THE ETERNAL: MARK KELSON On Change, Distance And Obscured Horizons · HEAVY Music Interviews

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  Speaker 1: Hello, Hello, how are you?
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  Speaker 2: Thank you?
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  Speaker 1: That's good. That's good. How's things been?
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  Speaker 2: Not too bad? You're my first one for today, so
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  Speaker 2: that's nice.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, there you go. So whereabouts in the world are
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  Speaker 1: you at the moment?
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  Speaker 2: I'm in Melbourne?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, Melbourne, Okay, there you go.
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  Speaker 2: Half of the band's over in Finland, half of a
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  Speaker 2: sort there you go.
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  Speaker 1: There you go. That solves that problem.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's your eight PM so same here. I'm
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  Speaker 3: in on the border of New South in Queensland.
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  Speaker 2: So okay, sweet, well, yeah, I'm pat familiar with your magazine.
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  Speaker 3: Obviously, so yeah, happy to be here for sure, for sure.
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  Speaker 3: So tell the good listeners that heavy a bit about
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  Speaker 3: the Eternal and you guys got some tour announcement that
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  Speaker 3: you've got coming up.
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  Speaker 2: And yep. So we're half Australian, half a Finnish kind
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  Speaker 2: of dark melodic metal band with progressive kind of overtones.
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  Speaker 2: I guess that's how people seem to do it. Sometimes
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  Speaker 2: they say it's Gothic, sometimes they say it's duck. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know, it's.
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  Speaker 1: There's so many genres in metal, and.
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  Speaker 2: So we're just kind of it's like a dark, moody metal,
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  Speaker 2: you know. In the vein of your you know, your
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  Speaker 2: Catatonians and and and all that kind of business. And yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and we're hitting the road with a MorphOS next month,
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  Speaker 2: and that's our second time touring with those guys. And
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  Speaker 2: also our drummer is the drummer of a Morphous So
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  Speaker 2: and yeah, we're releasing a new album on the first
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  Speaker 2: day of that tour, which is Obscure at Horizons, which
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  Speaker 2: is partially why I'm here.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, yes, So tell us a bit about the album
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  Speaker 3: and was it some time in the making.
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  Speaker 2: Or yes, So this is our eighth studio album, So
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  Speaker 2: we've been around a while. Yeah, we been working on
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  Speaker 2: the album for a couple of years. We've had a
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  Speaker 2: very productive few years since with the current lineup of
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  Speaker 2: the band, which I guess with with Yan and Nicholas.
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  Speaker 2: It's been about six years with the finish half of
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  Speaker 2: the band, and in that period we've released full length
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  Speaker 2: album and EP now this new album. So this album's
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  Speaker 2: actually writing this album before the last album, skin Walker,
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  Speaker 2: came out on Raining Phoenix Music. So yeah, it's been
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  Speaker 2: a while in the making and we definitely tried to
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  Speaker 2: streamline it a little more this time. We're kind of
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  Speaker 2: known for our slightly getting a bit long and overblown
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  Speaker 2: at times, and we're definitely streamline things a little. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: go to our back adlog if you want twenty minute songs.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, look, if it sounds good, it sounds sometimes it's
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  Speaker 3: it's what's required, isn't it.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, follow what's needed for the song.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely, absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: So.
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  Speaker 3: Your last album is said is called skin Walker. Tell
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  Speaker 3: me about the name of that. How did you kind
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  Speaker 3: of come up with that?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I guess, like lyrically, we're not really a band
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  Speaker 2: that dells into kind of medieval fantasy metal or anything
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  Speaker 2: like that.
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  Speaker 3: We're very completely opposite and we're all American Indian.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, well, the concept did really start with the
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  Speaker 2: you know, the concept of the skim walker, But what
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  Speaker 2: I took away from that was, you know, someone that
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  Speaker 2: is not as they present themselves to be, or you know,
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  Speaker 2: they changed their form around different people, and the skim
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  Speaker 2: walker metaphor kind of just worked really well for that
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  Speaker 2: because you know, I was basically using as a metaphor
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  Speaker 2: for a narcissistic people in your life that are kind
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  Speaker 2: of way and you know, and conduct themselves a different way.
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  Speaker 2: So that ended up being a theme through the record.
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  Speaker 2: And yeah, so skim Walker, I don't intentionally write lyrics
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  Speaker 2: like in a concept type of way, but it tends
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  Speaker 2: to end up that way. And I think it's probably
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  Speaker 2: a similar thing on Obscurity Horizons, where all the lyrics
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  Speaker 2: kind of tie together in a similar fashion. But the
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  Speaker 2: last album is more about, you know, letting go of
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  Speaker 2: narcissistic people and negative things in your life and kind
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  Speaker 2: of getting past that, and this one's kind of follows
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  Speaker 2: on from that theme a little bit. But all the
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  Speaker 2: all the narcissists have gone already.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you've got to cut them off.
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  Speaker 3: You just got to absolutely, Yeah, the way and the
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  Speaker 3: thing with dealing with narcissists, So I got it. I
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  Speaker 3: personally have been down that road and it was not fun.
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  Speaker 3: But just constantly telling yourself, you know, this is only
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  Speaker 3: ever going to get worse.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's hard to escape those situations and you
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  Speaker 2: question your own like sanity, your own sanity and your
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  Speaker 2: own thoughts. And I went through that myself, and you
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  Speaker 2: know that's right. And it was COVID time as well.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, see that's when mine was on the tail end.
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  Speaker 3: I'd cut mine off.
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  Speaker 2: It started, Yeah, and it was the narcissism thing and
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  Speaker 2: the isolation and kind.
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  Speaker 1: Of yeah, that would have been a nightmare.
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  Speaker 3: I can't even begin to imagine how that would have
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  Speaker 3: been for people in that situation.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, us in Melbourne were locked for like, oh, you.
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  Speaker 1: Guys had it so bad.
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  Speaker 3: I was just actually speaking to another artist this Afternoon
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  Speaker 3: is from San Diego, from late ex Grenade actually, and they, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: were talking about just how bad like Weeds J had
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  Speaker 3: us said, Yeah, but Melbourne had it so much worse
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  Speaker 3: like I had. It was bad for me because I
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  Speaker 3: live on the border of Mew southern Queensland. But and that,
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  Speaker 3: you know, was very difficult. I think, you know, those
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  Speaker 3: two situations, Melbourne and border living were just if you
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  Speaker 3: didn't know, you don't really get how bad it was.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. It was a time where question now
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  Speaker 2: sanity at all.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So I guess that's that last album thematically, you know,
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  Speaker 2: went went down that route and yeah, the skin Walker
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  Speaker 2: was a metaphor for someone who changes their form anyways.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and moving through you know, out of that into
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  Speaker 3: your new new phase and your new era. I guess
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  Speaker 3: you know, you learn so much about yourself when you
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  Speaker 3: look back and you go through that sort of situation.
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  Speaker 3: Is that sort of reflected in a new album that
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  Speaker 3: you've been.
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  Speaker 2: Right obscure at Horizons is Look, I went through many changes,
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  Speaker 2: including my use of alcohol was pretty bad by the
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  Speaker 2: end of the whole COVID thing, and I've not had
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  Speaker 2: a drink for three years now, and so lyrically, there
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  Speaker 2: was a part of like letting go of like on
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  Speaker 2: the new recon Obscure Horizons, it's actually about don't let
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  Speaker 2: the negative things kind of obscure the horizons of where
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  Speaker 2: you're going. Now. We're definitely some Christian band or something,
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  Speaker 2: but you know, there's definitely.
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  Speaker 1: Positive thinking is very underrated, like it really.
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  Speaker 2: I believe you can you can express melancholy, but I
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  Speaker 2: think everyone still wants to have hope even when you're
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  Speaker 2: in the worst of depressions.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, And I'm not going to dress it up in
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  Speaker 2: row like you know, metaphors of vampires and ship like that.
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  Speaker 2: When I was also, it's definitely more about It's definitely
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  Speaker 2: more about, like, you know, the big changes that you
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  Speaker 2: make and notating things obscure your horizons essentially and moving
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  Speaker 2: through things that back because you know, I want to
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  Speaker 2: spend the last years of my life making records with
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  Speaker 2: the Eternal and making as much creative stuff as I can.
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  Speaker 2: So that's that's that's lyrically a little bit more positive,
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  Speaker 2: but still explores all the bullshit that went along the way.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's very good thing about being Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: The good thing is about being an artist or creative
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  Speaker 3: type is when you go through the ship, is that
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  Speaker 3: you've got some great material afterwards.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you do, you have good Now I've got to
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  Speaker 2: like put myself with some ship for the next round.
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  Speaker 3: No, no, absolutely, not just once you've been there, it's
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  Speaker 3: it's all upwards, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Up all exactly exactly. But yeah, it's like it's an
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  Speaker 2: interesting thing. And I feel that they're my best lyrics
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  Speaker 2: because obviously I think when you're I don't know, I've
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  Speaker 2: been this band for twenty five years myself and the
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  Speaker 2: early albums were very like. We had songs like all
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  Speaker 2: Hope Lost and you know, a Cruel Misfortune and I
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  Speaker 2: were really melancholic down temp by, really you know, kind
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  Speaker 2: of negative. I was dwelling in depression and I didn't
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  Speaker 2: know how to get out of it. But the lyrical
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  Speaker 2: as you grow as a person, I would like to
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  Speaker 2: think that I'm trying to. I want to like the
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  Speaker 2: lyrics to show people that, you know, there's people that
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  Speaker 2: feel the same way as you, but hey, we can
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  Speaker 2: kind of we can pull through the melancholic things in
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  Speaker 2: our life. And there's nothing wrong with reflection on your life. Melancholy.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's a healthy emotion. But it's when you
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  Speaker 2: when it takes you into suicidal thoughts and things. I think,
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  Speaker 2: you know, maybe yeah, and I think it's cool. It's
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  Speaker 2: not cool for a band to express melancholy necessarily, and hey,
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  Speaker 2: there's hope at the end of it, but you know,
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  Speaker 2: I'm going down and I'm sticking with it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, No, that's any thing I would like you say.
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  Speaker 3: It is healthy to obviously have that in a reflection
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  Speaker 3: and and do that, but it's that ability to know
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  Speaker 3: when to drag yourself out and not sick with it
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  Speaker 3: because it can become, you know, a comfortable space for
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  Speaker 3: a lot of people, I think too, just to you know,
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  Speaker 3: be in that that.
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  Speaker 2: You can dwell in it. We've all well been out
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  Speaker 2: in our depression and of course that makes good music.
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  Speaker 2: And I'll still always write music from a darker perspective
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  Speaker 2: with the band. You know, we like dark melodic music,
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  Speaker 2: but but lyrically, you know, I want to I want
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  Speaker 2: to write something with some depth and surface level.
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  Speaker 3: Sometimes that's fun though too, just to write the piss
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  Speaker 3: take ship, you know.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, of course, like you know, I've been in
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  Speaker 2: fun death metal bands and things like that, of course,
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  Speaker 2: you know, so there's a time and place. But with
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  Speaker 2: the Eternal's that's our thing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's awesome. So how did you come to
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  Speaker 1: be half from Finland and half Aussie?
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  Speaker 2: That's that's a very interesting So the band obviously was
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  Speaker 2: all initially Australian, but we to a finished record label
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  Speaker 2: on our first record back in two thousand and four, and.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we've.
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  Speaker 2: Always been connected, you know. And the thing is no
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  Speaker 2: one new us knows us here as well as in
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  Speaker 2: other places.
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  Speaker 3: Do you find that that's changing now, like we're not
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  Speaker 3: exporting on metal, Like the scene here is a lot
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  Speaker 3: healthier and we're retaining them.
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  Speaker 2: It's always been harder because I find Australians love their
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  Speaker 2: like more extreme stuff. So I've always found that that
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  Speaker 2: the Eternals audience has been abroad. I think a little
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  Speaker 2: bit more now, there's a bit more open minded thing.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not saying there's anything wrong with brutal music. Don't
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  Speaker 2: get me wrong, I've played it, but you know, it's
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  Speaker 2: just like I always felt like we couldn't. It was
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  Speaker 2: hard for us to find a place here because the
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  Speaker 2: thing was always not brutal enough or whatever it was, right, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: maybe Melbourne thing. I don't know, but I think, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: obviously we've got lots of great bands and we need
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  Speaker 2: to embrace them more like it sucks that you have
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  Speaker 2: to go overseas and then you know, slowly start to
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  Speaker 2: build something.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, once they've made it the year, we then claimed
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  Speaker 3: them kind of thing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean, yeah, it's interesting but really quickly
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  Speaker 2: back and finished thing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so we were we were on the label over there,
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  Speaker 2: so I've been going, we've been touring over there for
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  Speaker 2: many many years. And then so we have lots of
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  Speaker 2: friends in Helsinki and you've Askula and a few other
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  Speaker 2: places and good friends to Swallow the Sun and some
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  Speaker 2: other bands. No, we ended up touring with a Morphous
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  Speaker 2: in Australia in two thousand and fourteen or thirteen on
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  Speaker 2: their Circle tour, but we became I'd already like met
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  Speaker 2: the guys a couple times but we became friends with
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  Speaker 2: Nicholas the bass player who's now our bass player, and yeah,
• 11:43
  Speaker 2: so we kind of and and a little bit with Yarn.
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  Speaker 2: Then I went over and hung out with them in
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  Speaker 2: Japan one time and befriended Yan our drama a little
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  Speaker 2: bit more. And then we were going over on tour
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  Speaker 2: in twenty nineteen, just before COVID and you know, we
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  Speaker 2: got a text from you said, had come hang out
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  Speaker 2: at the studio because we're into nerdy studio stuff. So
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  Speaker 2: I was like, cool man, And so there's a photo
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  Speaker 2: of the four of us from that trip. And it
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  Speaker 2: just happened. When we got home, we lost our rhythm sections.
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  Speaker 2: So so then I reached out to those guys in
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  Speaker 2: COVID and says, you want to play on the record,
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  Speaker 2: And then they just they said we want to join.
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  Speaker 2: So so we stayed in the band. And believe it
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  Speaker 2: or not, it's I cannot believe how well the remote like.
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  Speaker 2: It's the most stable and creative lineup and the most
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  Speaker 2: collaborative lineup we have. And two of the guys are
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  Speaker 2: on the other side of the world.
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  Speaker 1: That's cool.
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  Speaker 3: That's cool, really, and there's a lot of Babel doing
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  Speaker 3: that and like you say, through COVID especially that was
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  Speaker 3: you know a lot of a lot of groups be
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  Speaker 3: formed that way and then come out and in as
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  Speaker 3: horrible time as it was in you know, produce some great.
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  Speaker 1: You know bands and some great music as well.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it opened your mind so that you could work
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  Speaker 2: that way. And luckily for us, we're all sound engineers. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: so we're sending each other stuff. We do do work together,
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  Speaker 2: like we're together the once to twice a year, face
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  Speaker 2: to face if we're two, we're working on music face
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  Speaker 2: to face if we're or sometimes like I'll just go
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  Speaker 2: over there for a month and we'll do some production work.
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  Speaker 2: Jan and myself the drama do primarily most of the
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  Speaker 2: production work. So we obscure at Horizons and recorded most
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  Speaker 2: of it, and the other guys recorded some of their
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  Speaker 2: parts as well. But yeah, so we mixed it here
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  Speaker 2: in Melbourne. We recorded some of it over there in
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  Speaker 2: hel Sinky. We did a lot of the arranging in
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  Speaker 2: hel Sinky. So we're just kind of we've just got
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  Speaker 2: to really like I mean, I just got off the
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  Speaker 2: phone from Yard now, so you know, we're always like
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  Speaker 2: in communication and working on stuff, sending each other stuff.
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  Speaker 2: But we always try to do portions of it face
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  Speaker 2: to face as well.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, and like you say, you know, over there,
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  Speaker 3: the scene is just massive, isn't it, Like it's just
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  Speaker 3: crazy any touch on before you're in Japan where Japan's
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  Speaker 3: on other places that they just move for their metal.
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  Speaker 1: It's so it's hardcore.
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  Speaker 2: I mean the Finland things like, it's just always unique
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  Speaker 2: to be over there. It's always opening how well supported
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  Speaker 2: their metal bands are and they're scene is and it's.
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  Speaker 1: All lifestyle like it's hard like it's generations.
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  Speaker 2: It's crazy, it's in the top forty. It's normal part
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  Speaker 2: of metal as much as it used to be over
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  Speaker 2: there back in the early two thousands. But still like
• 14:19
  Speaker 2: we did a tour over there last year Eternal and
• 14:21
  Speaker 2: Cemmetry Skyline and they're they're like a supergroup with some
• 14:26
  Speaker 2: Demi Borgia and Dark Tranquility and a few other members
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  Speaker 2: the Gothic Metals, and the shows were so well organized,
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  Speaker 2: so well promoted. It's all sold out, the most amazing crew,
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  Speaker 2: like everything was professional to the highest level, and it's
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  Speaker 2: just like, yeah, it's just like you know, and and
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  Speaker 2: they really even treat like the like the support band
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  Speaker 2: is always treated well, that's really you know, it's a
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  Speaker 2: really nice environment and it's it's kind of when I
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  Speaker 2: can go out in Helsinki and I've got more friends
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  Speaker 2: than I do if I go in Melbourne. I still
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  Speaker 2: call Melbourn home, but that's definitely our second home, definitely
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  Speaker 2: me and Rich anyway.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that's cool.
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  Speaker 3: That's a that's a nice story to have when you
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  Speaker 3: combine the two.
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  Speaker 1: So obviously I don't.
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  Speaker 2: Think there's many Australian Finnish bands. I think it's a
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  Speaker 2: year No.
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  Speaker 3: I know there's like European metal bands that have got
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  Speaker 3: like an Australian member you're in there and whatnot. But
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  Speaker 3: but yeah, like that that true combination is it's pretty unique,
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  Speaker 3: but it works.
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  Speaker 1: It works, which is great.
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  Speaker 2: I think it shows in the music as well, because
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  Speaker 2: particularly on this record that those guys like including the
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  Speaker 2: Drama Yard, wrote full demos, yeah, like full music and
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  Speaker 2: I was the primary writer before that. But they write
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  Speaker 2: from very European kind of way in the way they
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  Speaker 2: arrange and use key chains and stuff and sorry, so
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: you know that was it definitely adds another and we
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: write in a different way because we're from Australia. There's
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  Speaker 2: a kind of malde difference. So the combination of the
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  Speaker 2: two I think does create something a little bit unique.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you guys are more on the four and that eight,
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  Speaker 3: and they're on the five and the seven. It's always
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  Speaker 3: it makes sure an odd combination. The tool who were
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  Speaker 3: famous for doing that would just fu and mix it up.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's definitely like times were like at the
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: start where me and Richie would be scratching our head
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: and go, what the fuck is that? Like that doesn't
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: make any sense to me and those guys. You guys
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: do that, you know, and but now we kin'd understand
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: each other really well, so I understand their approach and
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: we understand.
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: It's funny to think that music you going to have
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: mathematics behind it, but a lot of you know a
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: lot of people do it some.
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: Very mathematical equation at times.
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm mathematically retarded, Like I'm I'm a lyrical genius
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: when it comes to words, but mass I'm just like,
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: we still get it wrong.
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: I just think for me, it's my comprehension of why
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: is I just can't accept that, you know, one and
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: one makes two.
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: I need to know, But why does one and one
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: make too? You know?
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: So that's my my curious creative mindset.
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: So yeah, there's white thought of you're welcome, welcome to
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: my album concept.
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: There is doubting everything mathematical.
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well can we believe anything we see these days?
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: It's that's that whole you know, Yeah, the old outage
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: of you know everything you know, it's just a simulation.
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: I am looking to becoming more and more. I think
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: every day there's you know, fucking matrix is glitched again,
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: And if you don't notice it, it won't fuck with you.
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: But if my attention it will fuck with you.
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: That that's just my theory's my sperience is just going no,
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: all right, it's crazy.
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: Just don't acknowledge it.
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: I'll see how I am up for three more hours
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: of this, I'll probably think.
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: Actually, when I'm finished here, I'm off to go and
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: have a drink. It's that's my thirsty Thursday. So you're
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: my last And today I've been smart. I've had four today,
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: which has been crazy so live music and this guy.
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: It's very healthy as I got gigs I cover every weekend.
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: Coming to the Morphs shows that.
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: All more than likely. Yes, when it's so one of
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: the too days. So you guys have got so.
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's a good thing. We need to cut.
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: Wednesday twenty third September is at the Croxton. That twenty
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: it's in Melbourne. Twenty fourth of September is at the
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: Trifford in Brisbane. Great at Liberty Hall in Sydney I've
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: never played also, Okay, that'll be interesting. And of course
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: the Basso and Canberra, which I think is always fun
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: and we played in We played there on the skim
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: Walker tour back in twenty twenty five, so is almost cool.
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: We have good time.
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of bands, you know, they do the Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane,
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: but Camebra kind of gets missed out, don't they more?
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: I reckon more so than like Adelaide and pers Really.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: I mean it's interesting because I think, you know, we're
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: working with your mates touring on on this one, and
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: you know, and in discussions with their like and you know,
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: it's getting kind of harder to do some tours that
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: include Adelaide just for numbers coming through the door and
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: financial things. So I think on this run we just
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: talked about like you know, they're going to be here
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: like Campbelldre really good. Adelaide would be great, but it
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: just seems like sometimes a bit hit and miss from
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: getting the heads through the door. Yeah, yeah, which is
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: why hasn't from your mate's bookings, hasn't I think put
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: on some stuff in Canberra Adelaide that much. I mean
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: we went over with Swallowed the Sun, yeah in jan
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: and you know it's such it's hit and miss the
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: numbers in Adelaide at the moment.
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: So yeah, it's a shame because there's so many great
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: bands from Adelaide as well, Like there's so many.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: We used to have great time going to Adelaide. We've
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: been going there since two thousand and four, and yeah,
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: I remember early two thousands, you know, hitting the stage
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: with you know, Virgin Black and Chalice and all these
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: other Adelaide doomy bands and they were bull great shows
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: and great times. But somewhere in the twenty ten it's
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: it just got a little bit more hit and miss.
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: So yeah, so Canberra's like, yeah, it can be overlooked.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: But I've always had a good time there, good people,
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: good time and I think, you know, logistically Cambra works
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: really well. I'm really looking forward to a good show
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: in Sydney again. Yeah, you know, Liberty Hall sounds like
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: it's going to be good.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, it's a great venue as well. And Brisy
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: it's awesome.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like we've done the trip before.
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: It's the one that's like a hanger, like it's got
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: the dome ceiling, it's got great acoustics.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: I don't know if I've played there with Opeth one time,
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: I'm not one hundred percent sure. It was really yeah,
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: really cool, So looking forward to that. So yeah, also
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: you're there and Obscure Horizon comes out like just a
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: couple of days before that show.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Cool. Cool, Well it's awesome.
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: Well, congratulations on your new album that you guys have
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: got coming out and the tour that you were coming up,
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: which is always a logistical nightmare when you think about
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: it too much.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: Yes, and we'll be hopefully having some more next year.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah awesome. Yeah, that's great.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: Thank you for your time for mate.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: Well, well, yeah, thank you.
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: It's always a pleasure and we always laving and chat
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: with you guys here at Heavy and we thank you
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: any time. And it's time for you got my interviews
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: to just say you're doing overseas ones, are you.
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: Now, I'm doing all Australia today, there you go, jeez,
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: a couple of days of Australia and then probably i'd
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: say some European ones after that. So yeah, just all
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: the way through until eleven tonight.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: So oh geez. Yeah, you're committed to that's cool.
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: I've had to do with seven am one before, I've
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: had to do with midnight one before. Chrispy hasn't thrown
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: me at three am one yet, he goes, I just
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: don't know our relationship, and I'm like, well, you find
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: out soon.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: European ones they can be at one o'clock in the morning.
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: Stuff boys over there to handle some of those. But
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: we'll see how we go.
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah. No, it's always fun doing is rockstar hours. It's
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: literally around the clock, and then the weekend it's like
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: it's nice time.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: So I love it.
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't in any other way, except that when you
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: still have to do daytime shared it sucks exactly. I
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: know if you got to pay the bills. But anyway,
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: thank you so much. It's been with you and no
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: doubt we will see you in the near future.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, cheers, Thank you very much.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: Great you two. Thanks Bybee