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Bengals Booth Podcast: My Opinions · Bengals Booth Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hi, get everybody.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Dan Hord and thanks for downloading The Bengals Booth Podcast.
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  Speaker 1: B My Opinions.
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  Speaker 2: Addition, has seven Bengals Beat reporters tackle five questions about
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  Speaker 2: training camp and the upcoming season, followed by my opinions
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  Speaker 2: watching Super Bowl fifty I was going around the horn
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  Speaker 2: with my TV remote the other night when I stumbled
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  Speaker 2: upon a replay of Super Bowl fifty six on the
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  Speaker 2: NFL network. Now, I know that some of you find
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  Speaker 2: it too painful to watch. I get it, but not me.
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  Speaker 2: I found it fun to relive the highlights and be
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  Speaker 2: reminded of some of the things that were seemingly insignificant
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  Speaker 2: at the time that had a big impact on the game.
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  Speaker 2: And if you do find it too painful, my recommendation
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  Speaker 2: is to shut it off with five minutes to go,
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  Speaker 2: just before Cooper cup seven yard run on fourth and
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  Speaker 2: one that kept the Rams game winning drive alive. Now,
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  Speaker 2: let's get to this week's guests. Since the draft, every
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  Speaker 2: episode of this podcast has included an interview with one
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  Speaker 2: of this year's draft picks, where I asked them five
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  Speaker 2: offbeat questions. Well, I'm sticking with five questions on this
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  Speaker 2: episode of the podcast, but the concept is a little different.
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  Speaker 2: I spoke to seven Bengals Beat reporters and ask them
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  Speaker 2: the same five questions about the upcoming season. We start
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  Speaker 2: with one of ESPN's NFL Nation reporters. We are going
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  Speaker 2: alphabetically in our visits with Bengals Beat reporters. So Ben
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  Speaker 2: Baby from ESPN is up first. All of your takes
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  Speaker 2: are going to be fresh in comparison to your fellow
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  Speaker 2: Beat reporters. So are you ready for five questions about
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  Speaker 2: the upcoming season?
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  Speaker 3: I think Dan, you know me well enough. I've always
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  Speaker 3: got some good takes loaded in the chamber.
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  Speaker 2: For you, I would expect nothing less. Question number one,
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  Speaker 2: what is your biggest question going into training camp?
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  Speaker 4: I think the biggest question for me.
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  Speaker 3: I know that there's going to be the offensive line
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  Speaker 3: a lot of concerns, or how well they're going to play,
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  Speaker 3: you know, potentially throwing two new starters into the mixed
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  Speaker 3: rookie Dylan Fairchild who seems to be doing a good
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  Speaker 3: job of transitioning to left guard in the NFL, and
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  Speaker 3: then that right guards battle between Lucas Patrick Cody Ford,
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  Speaker 3: can Cordell Volson maybe throw his name in the hat?
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  Speaker 3: I think that's interesting. But for me, I think the
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  Speaker 3: biggest thing is how well can.
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  Speaker 4: The secondary play?
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  Speaker 3: And you know, I fear that I may be harping
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  Speaker 3: on the secondary a lot between now and the end
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  Speaker 3: of our conversation, but I think it's the most important
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  Speaker 3: thing because had they been a little bit better, had
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  Speaker 3: they you know, played to the level I think a
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  Speaker 3: lot of people thought they were capable of last year.
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  Speaker 3: I think last season looks vastly different than it did.
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  Speaker 3: And so if they can find, you know, the if
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  Speaker 3: those experienced corners of Dax Hill can come back healthy
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  Speaker 3: after his injury last season, If Cam Taylor Brick can
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  Speaker 3: perform well, DJ Turner, Josh Newton stepping up, I think
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  Speaker 3: if those players can really bounce back and that unit
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  Speaker 3: take a big step, I think this group can be
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  Speaker 3: in for a really good, good season, and I think
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  Speaker 3: it's going to dictate how this whole team really operates
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  Speaker 3: and performs in a very I think the stakes, as
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  Speaker 3: Joe Burrow said earlier this offseason, the stakes are always high,
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  Speaker 3: but they feel especially high going into twenty twenty five.
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  Speaker 2: Judging by the names you just ran off, it sounds
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  Speaker 2: like you think that there is at least enough talent
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  Speaker 2: to potentially be good.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I definitely think so.
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  Speaker 3: And talking to guys in the building over the course
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  Speaker 3: of the offseason, I know that when Al Golden came in,
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  Speaker 3: they were pleasantly happy with what they had back there,
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  Speaker 3: and you look at what they did last year.
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  Speaker 4: I know that there's been so much talk between the.
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  Speaker 3: Talking heads and everybody kind of analyzing how that Bengal
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  Speaker 3: season looked last year. And what I like to point
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  Speaker 3: out to folks is you go look at the last
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  Speaker 3: five games of the season, I think that was probably
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  Speaker 3: more indicative of how that team should have played the
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  Speaker 3: whole year, and I don't think it really had anything
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  Speaker 3: to do with the personnel that was on the field.
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  Speaker 3: I think when you look at it, I think there
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  Speaker 3: were some schematic issues from time to time that really
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  Speaker 3: popped up. I think there's a reason why I think
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  Speaker 3: loui an Arumo did a really really good job over
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  Speaker 3: his six.
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  Speaker 4: Years here in Cincinnati.
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  Speaker 3: But I think that I understand why they went to
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  Speaker 3: Al Golden and understand what he brings to the table.
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  Speaker 4: I think Al's gonna have.
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  Speaker 3: A very similar challenge that lou did and making sure
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  Speaker 3: that you can maximize a lot of young players without
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  Speaker 3: having the luxury of having really high priced defensive.
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  Speaker 4: Players at your disposal.
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  Speaker 3: We'll see what happens with Trean Hendrickson when training camp
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  Speaker 3: rolls around. But I do think that there are some
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  Speaker 3: really good pieces there. I think that they've used high
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  Speaker 3: draft picks over the years, and you expect them to
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  Speaker 3: play it that way. I know that when Dax got hurt,
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  Speaker 3: they felt he was probably the best quarterback that they had,
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  Speaker 3: and I think that DJ Turner and Camp Taylor Britna
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  Speaker 3: have shown.
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  Speaker 4: Some really good flashes.
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  Speaker 3: You know, Safety's probably the spot where we're looking at saying, Okay,
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  Speaker 3: what can these guys you know bring to the table.
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  Speaker 3: I've always liked Jordan Battle, not just because he's one
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  Speaker 3: of the best locker room personalities in there.
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  Speaker 4: I was giving him a hard time last year about
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  Speaker 4: whether or not.
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  Speaker 3: I think he had a little competition with Jermaine Pratt
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  Speaker 3: on how many turnovers he'd be able to force, and
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  Speaker 3: I think it extrapolated out to all the defensive backs.
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  Speaker 3: They didn't end up getting as many turnovers as they'd like.
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  Speaker 3: We could never figure out who two interceptions, three interceptions
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  Speaker 3: of what have you to. We're practic and maybe treat
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  Speaker 3: some of the younger defenders, But I think Jordan Battle,
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  Speaker 3: you know, the more that he's in, I think if
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  Speaker 3: he's in, you know, the closer replace of the box,
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  Speaker 3: he can be a boundary safety as well. But I
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  Speaker 3: like that partnership with Geno Stone. I think that if
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  Speaker 3: they're able to get some time together, that unit really
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  Speaker 3: doesn't have a lot of moving parts. The more they
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  Speaker 3: can play with each other, I think you're gonna see
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  Speaker 3: a better product than they put on the field last season.
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  Speaker 2: We move on to topic number two. Who is Ben
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  Speaker 2: Baby's breakout player in twenty twenty five.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I've thought about this a good amount. I
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  Speaker 3: think that there are.
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  Speaker 4: Some very good candidates. I will go with Josh Newton.
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  Speaker 4: I think him sliding in Again.
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  Speaker 3: I apologize for the defensive back theme here, but I
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  Speaker 3: do think that that probably is one of the best
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  Speaker 3: and most pivotal pivotal groups in this whole on this
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  Speaker 3: whole roster, and Josh s Newton when they drafted him.
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  Speaker 3: I know that assistant coach Chuck Burks really like the
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  Speaker 3: mentality that Josh had, and you know, it's hard to
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  Speaker 3: come in and unseen a guy like Mike Hilton. But
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  Speaker 3: I think, you know, Josh might not has been been
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  Speaker 3: as entrenched as he was last season. Maybe there might
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  Speaker 3: have been a little bit more competition to put Josh
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  Speaker 3: on the field. Obviously, you know some Rooie mistakes from
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  Speaker 3: time to time, but I think when you look at
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  Speaker 3: a guy and how successful he has the chance to
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  Speaker 3: be as a pro, the mentality makes up such a
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  Speaker 3: big aspect of it. And I remember one of the
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  Speaker 3: things that stuck out is that when when Chuck would
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  Speaker 3: go back and talk to Josh about certain plays from
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  Speaker 3: previous years that had nothing to do with the Bengals.
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  Speaker 3: Josh Newton had already studied that because he wants to
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  Speaker 3: go out and understand what it takes to be a
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  Speaker 3: great defensive back.
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  Speaker 4: And I think people.
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  Speaker 3: Who are wired that way have a great chance of
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  Speaker 3: being successful, not just in football, but whatever it is.
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  Speaker 3: If you're willing to be a student of the game,
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  Speaker 3: you're willing to understand.
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  Speaker 4: What it takes to be good at your craft.
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  Speaker 3: Put in time when nobody's telling you to do so,
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  Speaker 3: which is such an underrated skill, you are able to
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  Speaker 3: be increase your odds.
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  Speaker 4: Of really being good.
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  Speaker 3: I think Josh being in that slot right there. I
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  Speaker 3: think having stability at outside corner, Josh has a really
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  Speaker 3: big I think he's got a high ceiling and can
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  Speaker 3: play at a really high level. Cam Taylor Britt would
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  Speaker 3: be my other option. I've been burned in the past
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  Speaker 3: on my Cam Taylor Britt hype. However, I still think,
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  Speaker 3: in my heart of hearts, I do believe he can
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  Speaker 3: be a Pro Bowl caliber cornerback and I think that
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  Speaker 3: if he has a really strong season, I think it's
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  Speaker 3: gonna make the conversation about a second contract, and either
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  Speaker 3: in Cincinnati or elsewhere, it's gonna make it a very
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  Speaker 3: appealing And then if I had to take a third
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  Speaker 3: one a non defensive player, I think Andrea Yoshovas could
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  Speaker 3: have a really really strong year. You go look at
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  Speaker 3: the number of touchdowns he has. It's disproportionate to the
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  Speaker 3: number of receptions he has. I believe it's ten touchdowns
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  Speaker 3: on fifty one receptions, which is very strong. It could
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  Speaker 3: be awful little bit on those numbers. But Andre, and
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  Speaker 3: it's not just you know how well he does and
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  Speaker 3: scramble drills with Joe Burrow, how good he is in
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  Speaker 3: the red zone.
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  Speaker 4: But I think you go and.
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  Speaker 3: Watch the tape, he does a really good job of
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  Speaker 3: creating separation, having the understanding of how to win on
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  Speaker 3: routes at any other place, and people in the building
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  Speaker 3: will say this as well. Andre would be a number
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  Speaker 3: two somewhere else. So I think the Bengals have had
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  Speaker 3: a really strong luxury of drafting very well deep in
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  Speaker 3: the draft to find a guy like Andre and I
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  Speaker 3: think if he gets more targets, he could have a
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  Speaker 3: really nice year.
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  Speaker 2: We playfully spar in the Bengals media room, but I
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  Speaker 2: think Josh Newton and Andre Yosi Vash are great calls
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  Speaker 2: great calls for breakout players. In twenty twenty five question
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  Speaker 2: number three, the Bengals defense will be better if.
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  Speaker 1: Dot dot dot, Well, I.
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  Speaker 3: Will, first of all, I want to make sure we
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  Speaker 3: go back to that previous point you just said, we
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  Speaker 3: don't always see eye to eye, so what we do
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  Speaker 3: that's a very good thing, Dan. And then going back
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  Speaker 3: to your question and instead of picking all the same
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  Speaker 3: canary again, let's switch it up a little bit. I
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  Speaker 3: think that the key maybe to everything when you talk
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  Speaker 3: about the defense, maybe one of the more underrated guys
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  Speaker 3: we aren't talking about is TJ. Slayton, and I think
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  Speaker 3: the fact that they identified him, and when you look
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  Speaker 3: at that front seven and how they underperformed last year,
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  Speaker 3: there's a lot of conversations about did the linebackers not
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  Speaker 3: play all that well? What was wrong with the front
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  Speaker 3: I think when you look at the defensive line, there
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  Speaker 3: are a lot of injuries that they had to battle with.
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  Speaker 4: You know, Chris Jenkins playing with the club was big.
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  Speaker 4: BJ Hills banged up from time to time. That was
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  Speaker 4: a big issue.
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  Speaker 3: But when you look at how they attacked free agency,
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  Speaker 3: that always tells you what a front office thinks of
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  Speaker 3: its current roster and not just how it attacks, but
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  Speaker 3: who would attacks and how much money they invest in
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  Speaker 3: certain positions. And I thought the fact they went out
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  Speaker 3: and got TJ. Slayton was very big. You get a
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  Speaker 3: big body that you can't really move in the middle.
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  Speaker 3: You want somebody who can eat up those gaps inside.
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  Speaker 3: And it's not gonna be something that we talk about
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  Speaker 3: a lot. It's not gonna be something you're gonna see
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  Speaker 3: on each and every play. But if that interior defensive
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  Speaker 3: line can do a good job of being better against
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  Speaker 3: the run, which was something they were really bad at
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  Speaker 3: last year, and letting your linebackers trigger downhill really be
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  Speaker 3: free to make plays, that is something that's going to
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  Speaker 3: really help this defense because you can't be sitting here always.
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  Speaker 3: Even in second and seven, second and five, second and six,
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  Speaker 3: you open up too much of the playbook to the
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  Speaker 3: opposing offense. If teams are able to get a good
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  Speaker 3: amount of yards on first down, that makes it really
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  Speaker 3: hard for any coordinator to go out and scheme things
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  Speaker 3: up for this For second down and third down. You
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  Speaker 3: want to try to get teams and third and long
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  Speaker 3: that allow you to put yourself in advantageous positions. To
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  Speaker 3: get off the field if you're not able to be
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  Speaker 3: good in the front seven. I think that's huge, and
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  Speaker 3: you've heard Al Golden and Zach Taylor talk about that
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  Speaker 3: a good amount of this offseason. I know Zach is
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  Speaker 3: very very high on what Chris Jenkins and McKinley Jackson can.
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  Speaker 4: Bring in year two.
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  Speaker 3: I think the reason they went out and drafted them
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  Speaker 3: they needed them to play a little bit better. They
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  Speaker 3: go out and invest the money in BJ Hill, I
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  Speaker 3: thought for me was the most one of the more
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  Speaker 3: telling moves of the offseason that they said, Hey, this
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  Speaker 3: is a guy that we really want to continue to
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  Speaker 3: reward where he brings a lot to our locker room.
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  Speaker 3: And I think, and Dan, you know this, and not
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  Speaker 3: just what he brings on the field, but that leadership
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  Speaker 3: quality that he has off the field something you can't
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  Speaker 3: really put a price on it. And so if TJ
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  Speaker 3: can come in help solidify that run defense, those other
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  Speaker 3: defensive tackles can play well. I think that defense can
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  Speaker 3: help that secondary and work in tandem, which was something
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  Speaker 3: that those two sides or two units talked about a
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  Speaker 3: lot as to why they made they weren't playing as
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  Speaker 3: well as they could have last season.
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  Speaker 1: I've been saying about TJ.
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  Speaker 2: Slayton, he will not have a lot of sacks, but
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  Speaker 2: he might help the team have a bunch by getting
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  Speaker 2: the opponent into second and third and long. So I
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  Speaker 2: think those were really good points, all right. Topic number
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  Speaker 2: four is Taylor made for ESPN's Ben Baby, give me
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  Speaker 2: your hot take about training camp and or the upcoming season.
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  Speaker 3: I think that Joe Burrow will probably have the most
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  Speaker 3: camp interceptions he's ever had.
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  Speaker 4: That's it if we're going hot time.
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  Speaker 3: But I don't think it's going to matter because number one,
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  Speaker 3: I think we need a preface.
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  Speaker 4: Training can't buy, and large does not matter.
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  Speaker 3: Stats people who if you if you ever find a
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  Speaker 3: reporter taking stats at a practice, make sure you hold
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  Speaker 3: them immediately because it is a practice situation. And I
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  Speaker 3: think that what you saw on OTAs and and Joe
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  Speaker 3: at an interesting point, and that he was, you know,
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  Speaker 3: and I he was talked about, you know why he
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  Speaker 3: was out there throwing for so long. He says, you know,
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  Speaker 3: I want to get to get get in a good rhythm,
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  Speaker 3: getting a good feel of things, And that kind of
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  Speaker 3: prompted me to ask him. I said, well, do you
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  Speaker 3: feel like it's your risk is back to where it was,
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  Speaker 3: and he says essentially, not necessarily. And I think there's
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  Speaker 3: always gonna be questions about if that's ever going to happen.
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  Speaker 4: And I think that's what made last.
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  Speaker 3: Year so spectacular, the fact that he looked like he
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  Speaker 3: did in the spring, didn't look great early in the season,
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  Speaker 3: and then a was able to put together an MVP
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  Speaker 3: caliber season. I think, quite frankly, does not get talked
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  Speaker 3: about enough, and he deserves a ton of credit. I
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  Speaker 3: had to eat crow. I told him, Joe, I'm gonna
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  Speaker 3: be honest with you. I did not expect you to
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  Speaker 3: look like this when I saw you in the summer.
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  Speaker 3: But I think for Joe, you saw him tweaking with
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  Speaker 3: things a little bit, working on the spin rate, working
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  Speaker 3: on his mechanism, and I think maybe looking at how
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  Speaker 3: aggressive he can be in windows and we're writing about
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  Speaker 3: that right now on ESPN. I thought he had a
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  Speaker 3: great ball on a hole shot down the middle of
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  Speaker 3: Andrea Yoshabaz and a seven on seven Drew And I
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  Speaker 3: think that aggressiveness.
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  Speaker 4: The more he can push that, the more he can
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  Speaker 4: get out of this offense.
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  Speaker 3: I think that's something he's always trying to make that
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  Speaker 3: calculation in his mind at all times. Joe's always trying
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  Speaker 3: to think about the risk reward of how he plays
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  Speaker 3: the game. And I think training camp is the perfect
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  Speaker 3: time to go out test your defense, give them good
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  Speaker 3: opportunities to go out and create turnovers, but see what
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  Speaker 3: you feel like you might be able to get away with.
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  Speaker 3: Especially early, that may the biggest thing to help them
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  Speaker 3: get off to a fast started. Joe was playing like
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  Speaker 3: he does week seven and week eight, and he's feeling
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  Speaker 3: in tune with his receivers. I think that is going
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  Speaker 3: to be a really good thing for this team, but
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  Speaker 3: also might lead to some more turnovers. And I think
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  Speaker 3: we've learned and we should not overanalyze what we see
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  Speaker 3: in training camp.
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  Speaker 2: So if Joe Burrow throws training camp picks, don't panic.
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  Speaker 2: According to Ben Baby, our fifth and final topic the
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  Speaker 2: upcoming season and your prediction for how the Bengals will do.
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  Speaker 2: What will their record be and where will they finish
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  Speaker 2: in the AFC North.
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  Speaker 3: I think that they end up going back to win
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  Speaker 3: the North. As we know, nobody's won the North three
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  Speaker 3: years in a row. It's something that everyone would like
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  Speaker 3: to do. It makes it one of the toughest divisions
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  Speaker 3: of football. That was something when I came from Dallas
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: six years ago really underestimated just how good this division is,
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: the quality of the defenses, how hard it is to
• 15:53
  Speaker 3: win week in and week out, and really just the
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: passion that you have with the fan base is how
• 15:58
  Speaker 3: well these franchises operate. I think that is something that
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: you know, pound for pound across the league. I don't
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: know if you have another division that's really as sound
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: as this one.
• 16:08
  Speaker 4: And so it is so difficult to win.
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: And when you look at what the Bengals have, I
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: think that if the offense can play well, I think
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: the defense will take a step. When they figured things
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: out at the end of last year, they were five
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: to zero, and had they played just slightly better, they're
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: able to beat Baltimore maybe one of those times. And
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: there were just situations last season where they let winning
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: positions just slip out of their grasp, and I think
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: the fact that they still finished nine to eight, you know,
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: is pretty impressive in that regard, and I think everybody
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: inside the building knows after you don't make the playoffs
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: for two years, the stakes have never been higher for
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: I think everybody there that to really go out and produce.
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: The one thing that I give Zach Taylor so much
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: credit for it even when he was two and fourteen
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: and you know, four eleven and one. I think after
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: twenty I think the demeanor in which he carries himself,
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: how he handles pressure and doesn't ever change the way
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: he operates is probably one of the most unique and
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: valuable traits as a head coach. Oftentimes when I've covered coaches,
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: that's something that really separates good coaches from I think
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: exceptional coaches is the ability to internalize and handle pressure
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: and make sure that the team doesn't feel that and
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: they're able to go out and operate at a high level.
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: We saw that in twenty twenty one when the Bengals
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: would lose a couple games and they were able to
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: go back win when they needed to answer the bell,
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: and I think that really is what you need if.
• 17:30
  Speaker 4: You want to go out and chase championship.
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: So I have them going twelve and five winning the
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: division and we'll see how this looks. I think probably
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: an AFC divisional loss is where I have things I
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: don't know. When you look at where they stand between
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: Kansas City and Buffalo and we'll see who else pops
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: up in a very crowded conference. I think when you
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: look at it, it's just so the depth is incredible.
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: I think quarterback play across the NFL has never been better.
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: So we'll see how far they're able to go. But
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: I think getting in is the tough part.
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: Once you're in.
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: You know, had the Bengals made it in last year,
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: we could have been having a very different offseason because
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: when they have a tendency to get hot at the
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: right time, really figure things out. And when you put
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: Burrow in the postseason, he finds a way to get
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: things done. So I've will bet against him until I
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: see for otherwise. I feel like I'm already out on
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: a limb saying they're going to go out and win
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: the division. I think it's just just me being on
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: the pod. Dan is rubbing off on me slightly. But
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: you know, if I say something, I have conviction behind it,
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: and I do think this can be a very good
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: team that makes a run at winning the AFC North again.
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: All right, our conversations with Bengals beat reporters is off
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: to a great start. You have set the bar very
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: high for the next six to come.
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: Ben Baby, I appreciate your time. Thank you.
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: Always a pleasure, Dan, thank you.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: It is always.
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: Delightful to visit with Kelsey Conway from the Cincinnati Inquirer.
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: Are you ready to tackle five questions here on the
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: Bengals Booth podcast.
• 18:58
  Speaker 5: I'm so ready and thank you so much for having
• 19:01
  Speaker 5: me on. I think this might be my first appearance
• 19:03
  Speaker 5: on your podcast.
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: I think it is.
• 19:06
  Speaker 6: Does that mean I've made it?
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: It means something, but I don't know if that's it
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: all right? Question number one, what is your biggest question
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: going into training camp?
• 19:18
  Speaker 5: Are they going to have their entire team on the
• 19:21
  Speaker 5: practice field, meaning all of their contract stuff is resolved.
• 19:26
  Speaker 5: I think that I've been asked that a bunch the
• 19:29
  Speaker 5: last two weeks, and I'm at a point at this
• 19:33
  Speaker 5: point in June where it's just really hard to say.
• 19:38
  Speaker 6: One way or the other.
• 19:39
  Speaker 5: So I think that's my biggest question heading into camp.
• 19:42
  Speaker 5: Heading into the season, I would have a different answer,
• 19:45
  Speaker 5: but camp, all I want to know is is Shamar Stewart.
• 19:48
  Speaker 6: Going to be on the field, Trey Hendrickson going to
• 19:51
  Speaker 6: be on the.
• 19:51
  Speaker 5: Field, and what does that look like with a healthy
• 19:55
  Speaker 5: Burrow Chase with no contract drama.
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: Do you think Shamar and Trey will eventually be in
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: training camp, even if it's not in day one?
• 20:06
  Speaker 5: Yes, I think I actually think Trey Hendrickson it feels
• 20:12
  Speaker 5: like that situation is closer than Shamar Stewart.
• 20:16
  Speaker 6: And that's crazy to say because I.
• 20:18
  Speaker 5: Never would have thought that, Like a month ago, I
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: kind of thought Trey might take it through camp, but
• 20:25
  Speaker 5: it just really seems like, I mean, you've seen the
• 20:27
  Speaker 5: pictures of him training at Black Sheep this week, and
• 20:31
  Speaker 5: knowing Trey, I mean, both of us know like his
• 20:34
  Speaker 5: work ethic, Like I think Trey would have a really
• 20:37
  Speaker 5: hard time not practicing.
• 20:39
  Speaker 6: I think maybe if it comes down to him having
• 20:42
  Speaker 6: to do it.
• 20:42
  Speaker 5: For a day or two, I just I have a
• 20:45
  Speaker 5: feeling he's going to be like, you know what, this
• 20:49
  Speaker 5: is the most important thing to me. I've got to
• 20:51
  Speaker 5: get on the field. I can't stand watching anymore. Whereas
• 20:54
  Speaker 5: Schamar's not under contract. So I think based off what
• 20:59
  Speaker 5: I what I've heard and learned about that situation is
• 21:04
  Speaker 5: it would be completely almost embarrassing for his side if
• 21:09
  Speaker 5: they didn't get anything in return at this point, Like
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: if they're just gonna now accept the Bengals terms after
• 21:15
  Speaker 5: all of the public comments and everything, it just kind
• 21:19
  Speaker 5: of seems like they're gonna be more dug in and
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: he's not under contract, so I think I do think
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: schmar Sewer is going to play. I don't think it's
• 21:27
  Speaker 5: gonna be one of the things where it go back
• 21:29
  Speaker 5: goes back into the draft. I just think that they
• 21:34
  Speaker 5: are not going to cave, and I don't know if
• 21:37
  Speaker 5: the Bengals are gonna cave on their side either.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: Right before camp, all right, who is Kelsey Conway's breakout
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: player in twenty twenty five?
• 21:47
  Speaker 6: Chris Jenkins.
• 21:50
  Speaker 5: I think that he's gonna get a lot of playing
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: time just because of the depth and the numbers at
• 21:57
  Speaker 5: the interior defensive line room.
• 21:59
  Speaker 6: And I think that he's got a new position coach.
• 22:03
  Speaker 5: I think he's the type of person that is going
• 22:06
  Speaker 5: to get better with more reps and he'll be healthy,
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: and so I think I'm gonna put Chris Jenkins as
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: my breakout player.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: It's interesting because I think it's almost forgotten that the
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: dude was a second round.
• 22:19
  Speaker 5: Pick, right right, yeah, I you know, I know they're
• 22:24
  Speaker 5: excited about McKinley Jackson too, but like I just kind
• 22:27
  Speaker 5: of look at what Jenkins' skill sets were when when
• 22:32
  Speaker 5: he was drafted, they viewed him more as like the
• 22:34
  Speaker 5: pass rusher. I think that the Bengals don't really have that,
• 22:37
  Speaker 5: and you know, BJ like they're not. They got to
• 22:40
  Speaker 5: regulate his snaps because he's older. So I just think
• 22:43
  Speaker 5: Chris Jenkins is going to see the field a lot more.
• 22:46
  Speaker 5: He's going to not have his you know, hand injury.
• 22:49
  Speaker 7: So I think that let's just say this, it'll be
• 22:54
  Speaker 7: it'll be disappointing, and it'll be nobody's swall but Chris
• 22:59
  Speaker 7: Jenkins if he doesn't break out this year, because he's
• 23:03
  Speaker 7: going to get the opportunity.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: If that makes sense, and he won't have a giant
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: pad and club at the.
• 23:09
  Speaker 6: Club club on his hands. So let's go with a
• 23:13
  Speaker 6: big year from Chris Jenkins.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: All right, Conway says Jenkins question number three. The Bengals
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: defense will be better if dot dot dot.
• 23:24
  Speaker 5: Their corners stay healthy throughout the rest throughout the entire year,
• 23:28
  Speaker 5: which I know is a tall task because injuries happen especially.
• 23:36
  Speaker 6: I truly think that.
• 23:39
  Speaker 5: If Cam Taylor, Britt DJ Turner and Dax Hill are
• 23:44
  Speaker 5: your mix of your three healthy outside.
• 23:46
  Speaker 6: Corners, and you have Josh Newton.
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: As you're starting, Nickel, I think people are not talking
• 23:53
  Speaker 5: about the potential of that group being maybe the Bengal's
• 23:58
  Speaker 5: biggest strength on defense. Talking about two second round picks
• 24:02
  Speaker 5: in DJ Turner, Cam Taylor brit then a first round
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: pick in jaxx Till, and a hungry Josh Newton.
• 24:09
  Speaker 6: Who last year you could argue was after memes.
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: Some people say like their favorite pick of the Bengals
• 24:17
  Speaker 5: just because of the potential in what he showed. I
• 24:20
  Speaker 5: think if they can stay healthy, they might be a
• 24:24
  Speaker 5: sneaky good unit that's hungry and has some talent. But
• 24:29
  Speaker 5: it's hard to It's hard to project that because I mean,
• 24:33
  Speaker 5: DJ Turner's talked about it. He's got to stay healthy
• 24:35
  Speaker 5: and he's got a lot to prove from a consistency standpoint.
• 24:39
  Speaker 5: Cam Taylor Britt is a complete you know, we don't
• 24:42
  Speaker 5: know what to expect, but when he's on, he can
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: be really good.
• 24:46
  Speaker 6: So I'm excited.
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: I'm really excited to watch that battle in camp. I'm
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: excited to watch it in preseason, and I'm I'm thinking
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: that the Bengals. I'm not in love with the past
• 24:58
  Speaker 5: rush situation. I true, I don't think it's semed enough
• 25:01
  Speaker 5: to make that unit better. But if they are better
• 25:05
  Speaker 5: on the back end, right, it will help take off
• 25:08
  Speaker 5: some of that pressure. So I'm going to go with
• 25:10
  Speaker 5: the Bengals defense will be better their corners stay healthy
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: and play up to the level that they were drafted
• 25:16
  Speaker 5: to play at.
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: I often say that cornerback is the position that has
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: the highest injury rate because they're little guys tackling big guys.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: They're sprinting up and down the field on every snap.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: But at least in this case, you've got four really
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: talented guys for three spots. So sure guys will miss games.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: Here and there.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: Hopefully you don't have season ending injuries or things that
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: you know, wipe out multiple guys for extended periods of time.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: And I agree with you.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: I think talent wise, that's a good group and hopefully
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: they stay on the field for most of the action
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: this season. Question number four, give us Kelsey Conways hot
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: take about training camp or the upcoming season.
• 25:58
  Speaker 6: You know, I'm not much of a hot take artists,
• 26:00
  Speaker 6: so this might be a little bit of a challenge
• 26:05
  Speaker 6: for me. My hot take is more about the season
• 26:12
  Speaker 6: and that it.
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: Is arguably the most important season of Zach Taylor's career.
• 26:24
  Speaker 5: I think that this season has been the one that
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: people have been waiting on right like and you saw
• 26:30
  Speaker 5: the clip from the fanatics Fest this past weekend with
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: that little kid saying jobur or like make the playoffs?
• 26:35
  Speaker 6: Like this isn't it's no, the playoffs is the bare minimum.
• 26:42
  Speaker 5: I think that it is time for the Bengals to
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: make the jump of not being ten and seven, Like,
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: what does twelve and five.
• 26:52
  Speaker 6: Look like for this team, you know? Or thirteen and four?
• 26:56
  Speaker 5: Like, in my opinion, if it's an another middling season
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: and they make the playoffs and get bounced in the
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: first round, it's hard to you know, discount a coach
• 27:08
  Speaker 5: when that happens.
• 27:09
  Speaker 6: They make playoffs. They cannot not make the playoffs.
• 27:12
  Speaker 5: With Joe Burrow, Jamar Chase and t Higgins making the
• 27:15
  Speaker 5: money that they are, it's go time.
• 27:18
  Speaker 6: They cannot have another slow start.
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: And so, in my opinion, this is and I don't
• 27:24
  Speaker 5: think it's much of a hot take, but this is
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: the most important season of Zach Taylor's career as the
• 27:31
  Speaker 5: coach of the Cincinnati Bengals because there's no excuses for him.
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: He has all of his guys healthy. You know, knock
• 27:37
  Speaker 5: on wood that everybody stays healthy. But I think they
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: got to like step on the gas pedal here because
• 27:45
  Speaker 5: you know, you saw.
• 27:45
  Speaker 6: The clip for Netflix's promo.
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: I'm sure where Burrow said like he blinked and he
• 27:50
  Speaker 5: had been in the league for five years and then
• 27:52
  Speaker 5: he's going to blink again and you know, be ten
• 27:54
  Speaker 5: and like he's closer to thirty then he is twenty one.
• 27:57
  Speaker 5: So and I'm not trying to, you know, say like
• 27:59
  Speaker 5: he's near the man of his career. But you know
• 28:01
  Speaker 5: what I'm saying, like how many more years do you
• 28:04
  Speaker 5: think that you'll have these elite receivers the same continuity
• 28:08
  Speaker 5: on the coaching staff? Like, I just think it's time
• 28:11
  Speaker 5: for the Bengals to really like make a run at
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: the number one, number two overall seed, and in my opinion,
• 28:17
  Speaker 5: that falls directly on Zach Taylor.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: Pretty hot take.
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: I like it.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: Maybe not maybe not sizzling hot.
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: I prefer to.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: Hot, not not surface of the sun, but pretty hot.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: I liked it all right.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: Fifth and final question for The Inquirer's Kelsey Conway. What
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: will the Bengals record be and where will they finish
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: in the AFC North.
• 28:40
  Speaker 5: Holy Moly, is the AFC North going to be a
• 28:43
  Speaker 5: gauntlet with Aaron Rodgers now in Pittsburgh.
• 28:46
  Speaker 6: I mean, I think a.
• 28:47
  Speaker 5: Lot of people are just writing the Steelers off and
• 28:49
  Speaker 5: it's like a two person to like debate in the
• 28:52
  Speaker 5: AFC North with Baltimore and Cincinnati. But I gotta tell you,
• 28:57
  Speaker 5: I think the Steelers will be right with those with
• 29:00
  Speaker 5: those two teams. Yeah, I think the Steelers have a
• 29:07
  Speaker 5: good team around Rogers and if he can just like
• 29:10
  Speaker 5: I don't think he wants to end his career playing
• 29:13
  Speaker 5: like garbage. So I think I think the Steelers are
• 29:16
  Speaker 5: gonna and you know, they're always a difficult matchup for
• 29:19
  Speaker 5: the Bengals with high Smith and what. But I think
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: that's what makes my overall record projection hard for me
• 29:26
  Speaker 5: with the Bengals, because I just have a feeling they're
• 29:30
  Speaker 5: gonna split with Baltimore and they're gonna split with Pittsburgh,
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: and so where does that leave them? And I want
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: to be more than ten and seven, but I cannot
• 29:41
  Speaker 5: get there. So I'm ten and seven and hoping that
• 29:47
  Speaker 5: they prove me wrong. And it's a you know, a
• 29:49
  Speaker 5: twelve win season, and what we were talking about they're
• 29:52
  Speaker 5: making a run for the one or two seed. But
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: I just think the NFC North really good teams Packers, Detroit, Chicago.
• 30:01
  Speaker 5: I expect to be better, Minnesota to be good, like
• 30:04
  Speaker 5: for that to be their crossover division. I think that
• 30:08
  Speaker 5: it's challenging and there's not you know, a ton of
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: games where shoot, I mean, we all thought the.
• 30:15
  Speaker 6: Game against Patriots is gonna be lay up for the
• 30:17
  Speaker 6: Bengals last year and it was not.
• 30:18
  Speaker 5: So I'm gonna stick with ten and seven, and I'm
• 30:22
  Speaker 5: I'm picking ten and seven because I'd rather be under than.
• 30:27
  Speaker 6: Pick them to go of fifteen and two.
• 30:30
  Speaker 5: Like a friend of ours that will probably pick them
• 30:32
  Speaker 5: to go fifteen and two on your podcast when he
• 30:35
  Speaker 5: appears on later.
• 30:37
  Speaker 6: But I'm sure he will reveal his identity.
• 30:39
  Speaker 5: But I'm gonna go with ten and seven, and I
• 30:43
  Speaker 5: am gonna have them finish second in the division behind
• 30:46
  Speaker 5: the Ravens. I the Jayre Alexander moved for me in
• 30:51
  Speaker 5: Baltimore kind of put them, in my opinion, like a
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: head of Cincinnati, just because they got some dogs over there,
• 30:59
  Speaker 5: and I was kind of hoping Bangals make a run
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: for that guy. But so let's go with ten and seven,
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: second in the division.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: And make the playoffs and make the playoffs.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: All right, Kelsey Conway has spoken, I appreciate your time
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: and your sizzling hot take. Look forward to seeing in
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: training camp.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: Thanks kel thanks so much for having me on the athletics.
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: Paul Danner Junior has promised spicy takes, and I have
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: no doubt he will deliver on this little exercise.
• 31:29
  Speaker 8: So here we go.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: Question number one, Paul, what is your biggest question going
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: into training camp?
• 31:36
  Speaker 9: It's going into training camp, it's going into the season.
• 31:38
  Speaker 9: It's how are we talking about this?
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: In week eight?
• 31:42
  Speaker 9: Can Miles Murphy make the most of his opportunity? We
• 31:46
  Speaker 9: heard Al Golden right, it's time. It's time. The Bengals
• 31:51
  Speaker 9: have promised everywhere we have talked to the personnel department,
• 31:55
  Speaker 9: to Zach Taylor. It has been Miles Murphy's getting this opportunity.
• 31:58
  Speaker 9: He needs snaps, he needs to play. But yet we
• 32:02
  Speaker 9: haven't seen the production when he has had that opportunity.
• 32:07
  Speaker 9: Now it has to happen. There's others potentially in line,
• 32:10
  Speaker 9: there are other options. How long can you hang with
• 32:13
  Speaker 9: somebody and wait? Year three? The time is over to
• 32:17
  Speaker 9: wait because you can sit here and say, hey, I
• 32:19
  Speaker 9: did one little quick stat dive on Miles Murphy for
• 32:21
  Speaker 9: you here. We know that some of his pressure rates
• 32:25
  Speaker 9: have been okay, like he's been solid, But when you
• 32:28
  Speaker 9: have put him into third and long third and five
• 32:31
  Speaker 9: or more, he's had fifty nine opportunities. Of all those
• 32:34
  Speaker 9: in his draft class, he's dead last three point four percent,
• 32:38
  Speaker 9: Lucas van Ness next six point three, everyone else over
• 32:42
  Speaker 9: eleven percent. In those times, you have to make the
• 32:46
  Speaker 9: most of the opportunities you're given. If you want more,
• 32:50
  Speaker 9: they're gonna give him more. He has to prove that
• 32:53
  Speaker 9: he has taken a leap this year to make the
• 32:55
  Speaker 9: most of those.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: I have heard you on your podcast and in other
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: appearances express some optimism about this. You are cautiously optimistic
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: that he can deliver correct I see it like.
• 33:08
  Speaker 9: I think a guy can learn to finish that more
• 33:12
  Speaker 9: reps can get you there. I think you've seen it
• 33:16
  Speaker 9: in flashes. But you only get so many opportunities, and
• 33:20
  Speaker 9: at some point you have to prove that you can
• 33:22
  Speaker 9: do it or they have to move on. You know,
• 33:25
  Speaker 9: we've seen that, whether it's gonna be Joseph Osai or
• 33:27
  Speaker 9: Shamar Stewart or Cam Sample or Trey Hennett, whoever it is.
• 33:31
  Speaker 9: At some point you have to prove that you're better
• 33:34
  Speaker 9: than those guys. And year three for a first round pick.
• 33:37
  Speaker 8: That's win.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: Question number two for the Athletics, Paul Dater Junior, who
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: is your breakout player in twenty twenty five.
• 33:45
  Speaker 9: I don't know if this is unfair to say this,
• 33:49
  Speaker 9: but I'm gonna say because I think he's been my
• 33:51
  Speaker 9: breakout player before and he's kind of broken out and
• 33:55
  Speaker 9: then regressed. Cam Taylor Bred, I'm buying Cam Taylor brit.
• 33:59
  Speaker 9: I felt like I remember talking to him multiple times
• 34:01
  Speaker 9: last year between the benchings and then coming back. He
• 34:05
  Speaker 9: admitted he was just in his own head so much
• 34:08
  Speaker 9: last year and it was part of what was going wrong.
• 34:10
  Speaker 9: But when we've seen him play clearheaded, confident, I mean
• 34:14
  Speaker 9: no one's louder or more confident out there on the
• 34:16
  Speaker 9: football field or in OTAs or in training camp. When
• 34:20
  Speaker 9: we see that, he looks like he can be a
• 34:23
  Speaker 9: number one corner. He looks like he can live up
• 34:25
  Speaker 9: to that role. I'm still buying that that's in him
• 34:28
  Speaker 9: because we have seen it for stretches, and I think
• 34:31
  Speaker 9: Al Golden can come in and whether it's simplification or
• 34:35
  Speaker 9: just playing more to his strengths or you know, he
• 34:38
  Speaker 9: looked like in mini camp and during the OTAs of
• 34:41
  Speaker 9: a guy who had that confidence back. You saw that
• 34:43
  Speaker 9: in him, you heard it from him. So I'm buying
• 34:47
  Speaker 9: Cam Taylor Britt has that back can stay on the
• 34:49
  Speaker 9: right track and become the number one corner we've seen
• 34:52
  Speaker 9: those flashes of in his first few.
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: Years, Alice moving him around in the many camps. Do
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: you think that happens the season or were they just
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: cross training guys and experimenting because it didn't matter.
• 35:05
  Speaker 9: I think that it's probably less in the season. But
• 35:08
  Speaker 9: I think there's a lot that we don't know about
• 35:10
  Speaker 9: what's gonna happen in the season with Al Golden in
• 35:13
  Speaker 9: terms of how much they're going to lean into certain things.
• 35:15
  Speaker 9: I think trying guys out, seeing how they react, and
• 35:19
  Speaker 9: if you want to learn about how a guy reacts,
• 35:21
  Speaker 9: how about having to cover Mikeasicki in the slot and
• 35:23
  Speaker 9: pulling off interception of Joe Burrow. That'll do in an
• 35:26
  Speaker 9: ability to handle whatever Al Golden's gonna throw at him.
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: Time for question number three, The Bengals defense will be
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: better if dot dot dot.
• 35:36
  Speaker 9: I don't know if this is an easy out because
• 35:39
  Speaker 9: it's a little too general, but I can't get past it.
• 35:43
  Speaker 9: Al Golden has to live up.
• 35:44
  Speaker 8: To his reputation.
• 35:46
  Speaker 9: He built a reputation on developing young players, whether it
• 35:49
  Speaker 9: be what he did in the college ranks Temple Miami
• 35:52
  Speaker 9: as a linebackers coach here, what he did with that
• 35:54
  Speaker 9: young group, notre dame we saw, that's his reputation. That's
• 35:58
  Speaker 9: why he's here right now is because there are currently
• 36:03
  Speaker 9: nine top one hundred picks on rookie deals in major
• 36:07
  Speaker 9: roles here, all of which have questions and have had
• 36:10
  Speaker 9: up and down starts to their careers or our rookies,
• 36:13
  Speaker 9: Miles Murphy, Schamar Stewart, Chris Jenkins, McKinley Jackson, Dimitrious Knight,
• 36:18
  Speaker 9: Junior Jordan Battle, DJ Turner, Cam Taylor, Britt Dax Hill,
• 36:21
  Speaker 9: all of these guys have questions and feel like are
• 36:24
  Speaker 9: capable of taking a step. That's what this defense is
• 36:28
  Speaker 9: gonna be. Those young guys are either gonna come along
• 36:30
  Speaker 9: because Al Golden can create an environment where they do so,
• 36:33
  Speaker 9: which has been what he's done throughout his career, or
• 36:37
  Speaker 9: they're not good enough and Al Golden wasn't able to
• 36:40
  Speaker 9: get that out of him, which is kind of the
• 36:42
  Speaker 9: biggest question around maybe this entire team's title hopes, because
• 36:46
  Speaker 9: this defense has to get to a level of serviceability
• 36:49
  Speaker 9: and that starts with those nine guys.
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: It's what Kansas City has done so well. Yep, they
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: have developed young guys, not necessarily top one hundred picks,
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: but they just keep oh over turning young guys that
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: can continue to keep that defense at a championship level.
• 37:06
  Speaker 9: And I felt like the way the process that Duke
• 37:11
  Speaker 9: Tobin and the personnel department have approached this was the
• 37:14
  Speaker 9: right one, right, But the only thing that ends up
• 37:18
  Speaker 9: at the end is their process can be great, but
• 37:20
  Speaker 9: if the results don't hit, it doesn't matter if you
• 37:22
  Speaker 9: did it the right way, you still end up with
• 37:25
  Speaker 9: what you've had in the last couple of years. And
• 37:26
  Speaker 9: obviously that was part of the disconnect last year when
• 37:29
  Speaker 9: things went south for lou Anarumo in that side of
• 37:32
  Speaker 9: the ball and some in twenty twenty three, was something
• 37:35
  Speaker 9: was not connecting there with these young players in his system.
• 37:39
  Speaker 9: Maybe the new system and what Al Golden is good
• 37:41
  Speaker 9: at brings it out of them, and then then the
• 37:42
  Speaker 9: process can be proved a little more right, and you
• 37:44
  Speaker 9: can replicate some of what Kansas City has done opposite
• 37:47
  Speaker 9: their high paid stars on offense.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: You promise, spicy, So here we go give us Paul
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: Danner Junior's hot take about training camp for the upcoming season.
• 37:59
  Speaker 9: Chase Brown leads the team in yards from scrimmage and
• 38:03
  Speaker 9: does something only two other running backs in the NFL
• 38:06
  Speaker 9: have done in the last five seasons. One thousand yards rushing,
• 38:10
  Speaker 9: five hundred yards receiving. Okay, Christian McCaffrey and Jamier Gibbs
• 38:15
  Speaker 9: are the only other two to do that since twenty twenty.
• 38:19
  Speaker 9: The last week's nine to seventeen. Last year, when the
• 38:22
  Speaker 9: offense evolved, he was fifth in the NFL in yards
• 38:26
  Speaker 9: from scrimmage, narrowly behind Jamar Chase, who was third. Dan
• 38:30
  Speaker 9: Pitcher has kind of gotten his hands around the running
• 38:34
  Speaker 9: game now a little bit more and distributed that. They're
• 38:36
  Speaker 9: changing that with Frank Pollock out and now you have
• 38:39
  Speaker 9: a new idea around that. Well, last year they were like,
• 38:42
  Speaker 9: what is this run game? They're trying to build this thing,
• 38:44
  Speaker 9: Zach Moss, how much will Chase Brown play? They are
• 38:47
  Speaker 9: tweaking and kind of recentering this running game around Chase
• 38:53
  Speaker 9: Brown's skill set now and so you take what he
• 38:57
  Speaker 9: did so well. One of the most impressive things I
• 38:59
  Speaker 9: saw last year was his growth and instant chemistry with
• 39:03
  Speaker 9: Joe Burrow in the passing game as a protector sure
• 39:06
  Speaker 9: the off script plays when the play broke down, his
• 39:10
  Speaker 9: ability to get in phase with Joe and create explosives
• 39:12
  Speaker 9: was remarkable and such a big part of the offensive
• 39:16
  Speaker 9: explosion in the second half of the season. He'll only
• 39:18
  Speaker 9: average four point two yards per carry that point, that's
• 39:21
  Speaker 9: far lower than some of the premiere backs. Dan Pitcher
• 39:23
  Speaker 9: says to me, Hey, look, we have a guy, we
• 39:26
  Speaker 9: have a top ten back, and we're gonna base things
• 39:28
  Speaker 9: around him. If you can get that four point two
• 39:31
  Speaker 9: to four point four to four point five and he
• 39:34
  Speaker 9: still does the things he does in the passing game,
• 39:36
  Speaker 9: and defenses are like Triple Crown winners not beating us today.
• 39:40
  Speaker 9: And you're getting more into the decoy game around Jamar,
• 39:43
  Speaker 9: which I think will be part of this season storyline.
• 39:46
  Speaker 9: Give me all the Chase Brown stock, give me that
• 39:49
  Speaker 9: and have him become the guy who gets a lot
• 39:52
  Speaker 9: of the volume yardage here, even with him getting more
• 39:56
  Speaker 9: breaks and not being in there one hundred percent of
• 39:58
  Speaker 9: the snaps nearly this year. I still think it adds
• 40:00
  Speaker 9: up to a massive season for Chase Brown.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: So more than a thousand rushing yards and more than
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: five hundred receiving yards. I just busted out my calculator
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: to do a little math. If you go by what
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: he averaged over the last eight games last year, that's
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: more than twelve hundred rushing yards and more than six
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: hundred receiving yards. So yes, he demonstrated the ability to
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: do it. We'll see if he can do it over
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: a seventeen game season. But I love that hot take.
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: Here's our fifth and final question. What will the Bengals
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: record be and where will they finish in the AFC North.
• 40:33
  Speaker 9: I don't know why you do this to me, Dan,
• 40:34
  Speaker 9: Why do we do this?
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: Why do we help it?
• 40:37
  Speaker 9: Why do we have to predict records on June twenty
• 40:41
  Speaker 9: whatever we're at right? I hate doing this because I
• 40:45
  Speaker 9: think that we are gonna obviously learn so much. But
• 40:48
  Speaker 9: if y'all I'm here to play, I'm here to play.
• 40:50
  Speaker 9: Your appreciate here for it. I'll say eleven and six
• 40:54
  Speaker 9: second in the AFC North. I like the team and
• 40:58
  Speaker 9: where they're at gotta see it defensive, you know, pass rush,
• 41:01
  Speaker 9: the young secondary. Can both of those come through? What
• 41:06
  Speaker 9: level will that surface that I'm concerned about the lack
• 41:09
  Speaker 9: of interior pass rush and what's gonna happen in general
• 41:12
  Speaker 9: with the pass rush, and that makes me reticent up
• 41:15
  Speaker 9: against what Baltimore has. I think it's a two team race.
• 41:19
  Speaker 9: I think this is gonna come down to yet again.
• 41:22
  Speaker 9: Those two games, I think Thanksgiving Night in December fourteenth
• 41:27
  Speaker 9: are gonna be the defining games of the season the
• 41:28
  Speaker 9: same way.
• 41:29
  Speaker 8: They were last year.
• 41:30
  Speaker 9: And if the Bengals would have gotten the kick and
• 41:33
  Speaker 9: the two point conversion last year, they would have been
• 41:36
  Speaker 9: the third overall seed and won the AFC North and
• 41:39
  Speaker 9: have won five straight going into the playoffs. The margins
• 41:42
  Speaker 9: are so thin in between Baltimore and the Bengals and
• 41:44
  Speaker 9: the elite quarterbacks in those games. It's gonna be thin again,
• 41:49
  Speaker 9: That's what it is. It's those margins in those two
• 41:52
  Speaker 9: games that will probably decide whether the Bengals are hosting
• 41:55
  Speaker 9: a playoff.
• 41:56
  Speaker 8: Game or in the playoffs.
• 41:58
  Speaker 9: But I don't see a world catastrophic injury situations that
• 42:03
  Speaker 9: the Bengals aren't making the playoffs this year. I do
• 42:05
  Speaker 9: think they have put together a roster and a team
• 42:08
  Speaker 9: and an energy that you feel around them right now
• 42:11
  Speaker 9: that is of a real championship contender.
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: I'm glad you clarified Baltimore number one, because when you
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: said eleven and six second in the AFC North, I
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: assumed Cleveland ysh, You're champions.
• 42:23
  Speaker 9: The year of Kenny Pickett storyline in the NFL is
• 42:27
  Speaker 9: what it's gonna be.
• 42:28
  Speaker 8: There's no question.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: All right, you promise spicy takes. He delivered.
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: Appreciate your time, Paul, look forward to seeing.
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: Your camp anytime.
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: Dan.
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: Jay Morrison is next on the list.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: I don't know if Jay will have stats in this
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: particular exercise. I guess we will find out. But let's
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: start with question number one. Jay, your biggest question going
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: into training camp.
• 42:50
  Speaker 10: I think everybody's is gonna be win. Is Trey Henderson
• 42:53
  Speaker 10: going to show up? When was first practice be I
• 42:55
  Speaker 10: don't want to be repetitive. I'm guessing you've probably already
• 42:57
  Speaker 10: heard that from some other guys, So I'm gonna say,
• 43:00
  Speaker 10: will Dylan Fairchild be ready? I think that's maybe the
• 43:05
  Speaker 10: only thing that can derail this offense. If they've got
• 43:08
  Speaker 10: a hole on that offensive line. And it's nothing against Dylan,
• 43:13
  Speaker 10: but this team has struggled to draft offensive linemen, and
• 43:17
  Speaker 10: in the last decade they've had failures with Paul Alexander,
• 43:20
  Speaker 10: They've had failures with Jim Turner, They've had failures with
• 43:23
  Speaker 10: Frank Pollack. So the one consistent is the people evaluating
• 43:28
  Speaker 10: them and drafting them, and so I just I think
• 43:31
  Speaker 10: it's reasonable to question that because if he's not ready,
• 43:35
  Speaker 10: you're talking about what Lucas Patrick and Cody Ford most likely,
• 43:38
  Speaker 10: or a reclamation project with Cordell Volson. I just think
• 43:41
  Speaker 10: as soon as they drafted Dylan, they pretty much said
• 43:44
  Speaker 10: he's our guy. We're sticking him in there as the starter,
• 43:46
  Speaker 10: and that's a great plan, but if it goes awry,
• 43:49
  Speaker 10: they don't really have a great backup plan.
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: And obviously an injury could factor in there as well.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: I would say that if he doesn't pan out in
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: training camp, or if he got hurt, it seems to
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: me that Cordell Vohlson back on the left side would
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: likely be the backup and you'd still have that Lucas
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: Patrick Cody Ford battle on the right side. I feel
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: a little bit better at least about Cordell. Have him
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: heard him talk about his relationship with Scott Peters and
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: how much he thinks Scott is going to help him.
• 44:19
  Speaker 10: I agree, And just his admission that, you know, he
• 44:22
  Speaker 10: wasn't defiant like, oh, I don't think I played that.
• 44:24
  Speaker 10: He knew he didn't play well last year, and he's
• 44:26
  Speaker 10: excited about learning new things and trying to get better
• 44:30
  Speaker 10: and embracing the new. So I agree with you just
• 44:35
  Speaker 10: his comments this year, because it was right after he
• 44:38
  Speaker 10: was asked to take the pay cut, and we a
• 44:39
  Speaker 10: couple of us approached him and it's like, oh, how's
• 44:41
  Speaker 10: this going to go? And he sat there and answered
• 44:43
  Speaker 10: every question and they weren't short, and it wasn't just
• 44:47
  Speaker 10: about the pay cut. It was about everything in general,
• 44:48
  Speaker 10: his play, And so I agree with you there. I
• 44:51
  Speaker 10: think there's some cause for optimism there. Sometimes the coaching changes,
• 44:56
  Speaker 10: you see it, a change of scenery helps a player.
• 44:59
  Speaker 10: Sometimes change of coaching can help a player as well.
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: Who is your breakout player in twenty twenty five.
• 45:07
  Speaker 8: I'm gonna go Cam Taylor Britt.
• 45:09
  Speaker 10: I don't know if he's been picked, but I think
• 45:13
  Speaker 10: there was a heavy, a healthy level of respect between
• 45:17
  Speaker 10: he and Lou. But I also think there's a nice
• 45:20
  Speaker 10: strong dose of frustration there, and I think he's the
• 45:24
  Speaker 10: one that kind of was hamstrung the most by how
• 45:29
  Speaker 10: much Lou was putting on their plays. He's such an instinctual,
• 45:32
  Speaker 10: twitchy guy and it just seemed like he was out
• 45:34
  Speaker 10: there thinking too much and getting himself in bad positions.
• 45:37
  Speaker 10: And if Al Golden can find a way to just
• 45:40
  Speaker 10: let him go out there and play and trust his instincts,
• 45:43
  Speaker 10: I mean, he's done it before. It's not like it's
• 45:45
  Speaker 10: a guy you're waiting to break out. He was really
• 45:47
  Speaker 10: good as a young player, and you don't You don't
• 45:49
  Speaker 10: typically see that arc where they start good and then
• 45:52
  Speaker 10: just fall off immediately. So I think that the talent's there,
• 45:56
  Speaker 10: and I think he's a guy that it means a
• 45:59
  Speaker 10: lot to him. He really wants to be good. And
• 46:02
  Speaker 10: anytime the discussion comes to breakout players, you start with
• 46:06
  Speaker 10: is it a contract year? And it's a contract year
• 46:08
  Speaker 10: for Cam Taylor.
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: Britt Al Golden played a lot of pressman at Notre Dame.
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: Maybe that's the simple fix for Cam. Assign him to
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: a guy and let him be athletic and trust his instincts.
• 46:21
  Speaker 8: Yeah, and then he is athletic.
• 46:23
  Speaker 10: We see it on the football field, and I've talked
• 46:26
  Speaker 10: about this on our podcast where I went to the
• 46:27
  Speaker 10: Logan Wilson softball game, and it's so funny watching those
• 46:30
  Speaker 10: guys because they look totally out of place on a
• 46:32
  Speaker 10: softball field, the way they swing the bat, the way
• 46:34
  Speaker 10: they throw a ball. And he was making leaping catches
• 46:38
  Speaker 10: of line drives, and he's just a great athlete. And
• 46:41
  Speaker 10: I think that's the way to go is just let
• 46:43
  Speaker 10: him rely on that athleticism.
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: We are visiting with Jay Morrison from Bengals Talk dot com.
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: Question number three, The Bengals defense will be better if
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: dot dot dot.
• 46:54
  Speaker 8: The world keeps spinning.
• 46:56
  Speaker 10: I mean, it can't get much worse, right, So, so
• 47:01
  Speaker 10: I do have some stats, and this is where I
• 47:03
  Speaker 10: think is there's some reason for optimism there, even beyond
• 47:07
  Speaker 10: the Al Golden arrival. As bad as this defense was
• 47:11
  Speaker 10: last year, it took a considerable step in what was
• 47:16
  Speaker 10: maybe what was its biggest issue in twenty twenty three,
• 47:19
  Speaker 10: and that was given up all those explosive plays they
• 47:22
  Speaker 10: ranked twenty ninth and explosive passes in twenty twenty three
• 47:24
  Speaker 10: and twenty eighth and explosive runs they climbed last year
• 47:28
  Speaker 10: to fifteenth and passes in eighteenth and runs that was
• 47:30
  Speaker 10: a sizeable advantage. What was the problem was red zone defense.
• 47:36
  Speaker 10: It's like, yeah, you can say you can't give up
• 47:38
  Speaker 10: the chunk plays. You got to make a team drive
• 47:40
  Speaker 10: the length of the field. Well, they weren't getting the
• 47:42
  Speaker 10: stops in the red zone. They had the worst the
• 47:46
  Speaker 10: league started tracking red zone percentage in two thousand. It
• 47:49
  Speaker 10: was the worst red zone percentage of any Bengals team
• 47:52
  Speaker 10: since two thousand and There's been some bad teams over
• 47:55
  Speaker 10: that time. And if they can just find a way
• 47:57
  Speaker 10: to get better in the red zone and turn some
• 48:01
  Speaker 10: of those touchdowns they were thirtieth and touchdown percentage across
• 48:05
  Speaker 10: the league in the red zone just six seven eight
• 48:09
  Speaker 10: of those turn those into field goals and instead of touchdowns.
• 48:12
  Speaker 10: I think that makes a really big or will make
• 48:15
  Speaker 10: a really big difference.
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: All Right, Jae, I don't necessarily think of you as
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: a hot take artist, but that is the assignment here.
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: Give us your hot take about either training camp or
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: the upcoming season.
• 48:26
  Speaker 10: Yeah, so, what kind of piggybacks on the last question?
• 48:28
  Speaker 10: I will say the Bengals will lead the league in
• 48:32
  Speaker 10: takeaways this year. I think we're going to see a
• 48:35
  Speaker 10: jump from Cam Taylor, britt Gino. Stone's done it before.
• 48:39
  Speaker 10: It's not like you're asking him to do something he's
• 48:41
  Speaker 10: never done. He had a seven interception season.
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: And even in a bad year last year, he had four.
• 48:45
  Speaker 8: Right exactly, and it came on late. The momentum is there.
• 48:51
  Speaker 10: They get Tray and Shamar Stewart figured out, the pass
• 48:54
  Speaker 10: rush gets better. The big thing here is I think
• 48:57
  Speaker 10: this offense is really going to hit the ground, run
• 49:00
  Speaker 10: and break out of the gate fast. And I don't
• 49:02
  Speaker 10: expect them to be playing catch up and back and
• 49:05
  Speaker 10: forth a lot. I expect them to be leading a
• 49:07
  Speaker 10: lot of games in the second half, and that's where
• 49:09
  Speaker 10: a lot of those turnovers come from, where the other
• 49:11
  Speaker 10: team is forced to throw. You know what they're gonna do.
• 49:14
  Speaker 10: And as bad as this defense was last year, they
• 49:17
  Speaker 10: were seventh in the league in takeaways, So it's not
• 49:19
  Speaker 10: a big leap to go from seventh to first, and
• 49:21
  Speaker 10: I think they've got the makings to make.
• 49:23
  Speaker 8: That happen, all right.
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: Our fifth and final question is what will the Bengals
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: record be and where will they finish in the AFC North.
• 49:31
  Speaker 10: So right now, until I see Dylan Fairchild, until I
• 49:35
  Speaker 10: see this defense, I'm gonna go eleven and six. I
• 49:37
  Speaker 10: think they could be better, But right now I'm gonna
• 49:40
  Speaker 10: go eleven and six and second in the North. They
• 49:43
  Speaker 10: have to prove they can beat Lamar, and I think
• 49:46
  Speaker 10: all those close losses against the Ravens, it's almost more
• 49:51
  Speaker 10: of a hurdle than if they were getting blown out
• 49:54
  Speaker 10: by them and you're like, Okay, we're gonna flip it.
• 49:57
  Speaker 10: It's definitely in their head, and they won't say it's
• 50:00
  Speaker 10: in their head, but it is a mental thing. And
• 50:02
  Speaker 10: just the fact of the they are justified and correct
• 50:07
  Speaker 10: and complaining about four straight primetime games at Baltimore but
• 50:12
  Speaker 10: grousing about it publicly.
• 50:14
  Speaker 8: It just shows that it is in their head a
• 50:16
  Speaker 8: little bit.
• 50:17
  Speaker 10: And if they can find a way to just beat
• 50:19
  Speaker 10: the Ravens once this year, they only need a sweep
• 50:21
  Speaker 10: beat them once, I think they've got a really good
• 50:24
  Speaker 10: shot to win the division. But until we see it happen,
• 50:26
  Speaker 10: I'm going to go eleven and six, second place wild Card, make.
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: An overtime field goal at home, convert a two point
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: conversion at the end of regulation on the road, they
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: would have had at least one win over Baltimore last year,
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: but they got to go out and do it. We'll
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: see if they can. Jay, appreciate your time, great stuff
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: and look forward to seeing you at camp.
• 50:45
  Speaker 8: All right, thanks Dan.
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: Mike Petrelli is up next. But first here's a quick
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• 51:11
  Speaker 1: We are joined now by my.
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: Pal, Mike Petrelia aka Trags, host of the Jungle Roar podcast.
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: You can read his work at CLNS Media. Are you
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: ready to tackle five questions on the Bengals Booth Podcast? Shoot?
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: Dan O, All right, here we go. What is your
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: biggest question going into training camp?
• 51:33
  Speaker 11: I think who is going to step forward on the defense,
• 51:36
  Speaker 11: specifically on the defensive edge and provide more pressure on
• 51:41
  Speaker 11: the quarterback. That is the biggest question I have I
• 51:44
  Speaker 11: think it's a question that most Bengal fans have had
• 51:47
  Speaker 11: this offseason. It's why they went out and drafted Shamar
• 51:51
  Speaker 11: Stewart in the first round with some of their pick
• 51:54
  Speaker 11: seventeenth overall, they are trying to obviously bring more to
• 52:00
  Speaker 11: the quarterback and I think that's the biggest question I have.
• 52:04
  Speaker 11: Obviously people are wondering about Trey Hendrickson and that's understandable,
• 52:08
  Speaker 11: but there are other people that have to be able
• 52:11
  Speaker 11: to step forward on the edge to provide more production,
• 52:15
  Speaker 11: Miles Murphy and Joseph Osai for two. And I think
• 52:19
  Speaker 11: to me that's the biggest question going into camp. Where
• 52:22
  Speaker 11: will the extra pressure come from the Bengals pass rush.
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: Do you expect Shamar Stewart to be signed by the
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: start of camp or at some point during camp.
• 52:33
  Speaker 11: I expect him to be signed right before camp begins.
• 52:38
  Speaker 11: I think you know, both sides know what they want.
• 52:42
  Speaker 11: Both sides have made their positions well known about the
• 52:46
  Speaker 11: moral high ground if you will, that they want to
• 52:49
  Speaker 11: stand and that they want a stake, and they both
• 52:51
  Speaker 11: feel it's very important. But to me, in the end,
• 52:55
  Speaker 11: this does not feel like a protracted situation. This feels
• 52:59
  Speaker 11: like in situation where both sides wanted to make a statement,
• 53:04
  Speaker 11: draw the line in the sand. They've done that, and
• 53:07
  Speaker 11: at the end of the day, I think Shamar Stewart
• 53:09
  Speaker 11: wants to be on the field playing football, and I
• 53:11
  Speaker 11: think that's what's going to happen.
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: All right, Trags, who is your breakout player in twenty
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: twenty five?
• 53:17
  Speaker 11: Boy, there's so many ways I could go on this Dan,
• 53:21
  Speaker 11: and I'm going to go offense, and I was going
• 53:23
  Speaker 11: to go Chase Brown, but I'm going to go andre
• 53:26
  Speaker 11: Yosivash because I think the Bengals have made him a
• 53:30
  Speaker 11: bigger and bigger role, made a bigger role for him
• 53:34
  Speaker 11: in the offense, and he's actually physically bigger. When I
• 53:38
  Speaker 11: think we saw him in the OTAs in the mandatory
• 53:42
  Speaker 11: mini camp, he looks stronger to me, and I think
• 53:46
  Speaker 11: if he already has the size, Dan, he already has
• 53:50
  Speaker 11: the length, he has the physical gifts of being a
• 53:54
  Speaker 11: former track star in college. I think he is and
• 53:58
  Speaker 11: he's I really think he is going to pick up
• 54:00
  Speaker 11: the offense at a level that we haven't seen in
• 54:03
  Speaker 11: the previous two years. I'm pretty excited about what he
• 54:05
  Speaker 11: can do. I think Joe Burrow is too so he
• 54:08
  Speaker 11: would be my.
• 54:09
  Speaker 8: Choice for breakout player on the Bengals.
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: I think T Higgins might agree based on his comments
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: during the mini camps. Bigger, faster, stronger, twitchier was what
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: t Higgins had to say.
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: So I'm with you.
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: I think andre Yosibosh is going to take a big
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: step forward. We'll see how many opportunities he gets with
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: the other weapons that they have, but I would expect
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: him to take advantage of those opportunities. Question number three,
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: The Bengals defense will be better if can I answer
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: this with two not just one, Lily, Okay? If they
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: stop the run better.
• 54:44
  Speaker 11: The last couple of years, it's not any coincidence, Dan
• 54:49
  Speaker 11: that they have allowed explosive plays in the run game,
• 54:53
  Speaker 11: especially on second and third down. That can't happen anymore.
• 54:58
  Speaker 11: They've got to be able to stop the run. I
• 55:00
  Speaker 11: think certainly TJ. Slayton is a step in that direction.
• 55:05
  Speaker 11: You know they have been looking for somebody to really
• 55:09
  Speaker 11: fill the voids and DJ Reader left and I think
• 55:13
  Speaker 11: bringing in TJ. Slayton is a terrific step forward in
• 55:16
  Speaker 11: that regard. They've got to be able to stop the run.
• 55:18
  Speaker 11: The second is, as I mentioned earlier, they've got to
• 55:22
  Speaker 11: be able to get to the quarterback and provide some pressure.
• 55:27
  Speaker 11: They have got to be able to do that, because
• 55:29
  Speaker 11: what happens when you bring pressure, you create turnovers, and
• 55:32
  Speaker 11: I guess I could say is a third part of that.
• 55:35
  Speaker 11: If you allow me to do that, they've got to
• 55:37
  Speaker 11: be able to turn the opposition over and get the
• 55:39
  Speaker 11: ball back in the.
• 55:40
  Speaker 8: Hands of Joe Burrow a few more times a game.
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: You know, one and two are not necessarily separate, because
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: if you stop the run better and you get teams
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: into second and third and long, right now, you can
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: pressure the quarterback better, so they're actually tied together.
• 55:59
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I think so.
• 56:00
  Speaker 11: You know, I know that Al Golden has spent a
• 56:03
  Speaker 11: lot of time this offseason trying to craft that defense
• 56:07
  Speaker 11: into his own image. But part of that image has
• 56:09
  Speaker 11: to be stopping the run.
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: I know that.
• 56:12
  Speaker 11: I mean, every defensive coordinator knows that you've got to
• 56:14
  Speaker 11: be able to stop the run, but it's how they
• 56:16
  Speaker 11: go about it. I think we're going to see, and
• 56:18
  Speaker 11: we already saw this in some of the offseason practices,
• 56:22
  Speaker 11: Dan that he's going to use players along the defensive
• 56:25
  Speaker 11: line more versatile. He's going to use them in more positions,
• 56:30
  Speaker 11: and I think that's one way the Bengals are going
• 56:33
  Speaker 11: to go about giving offenses different looks along the defensive front.
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: Now give us Mike Petrellia's hot take going into training
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: camp for the twenty twenty five season, all right, I.
• 56:45
  Speaker 11: Think that Joseph Osai is going to wind up in
• 56:50
  Speaker 11: double digits in sacks.
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: Nice.
• 56:53
  Speaker 11: I think he is going to come out of nowhere,
• 56:55
  Speaker 11: and I think he is actually going to respond to
• 56:57
  Speaker 11: that one year prove it to me deal that he
• 57:00
  Speaker 11: received from the Bengals, and he's got the physical ability.
• 57:04
  Speaker 11: He stays healthy and he plays consistently. And I've said
• 57:08
  Speaker 11: this on my own podcast a couple of times. We've
• 57:11
  Speaker 11: seen in twenty twenty two, and we saw it last year,
• 57:14
  Speaker 11: like the last five to six games of the season,
• 57:17
  Speaker 11: he turned it on. I mean, he was a different player,
• 57:20
  Speaker 11: explosive player. We've got to see that from the start
• 57:23
  Speaker 11: of the season from Joseph Osai. I think we do
• 57:26
  Speaker 11: this year, and that's why I'm going to go with
• 57:30
  Speaker 11: this hot take. I think we see it from the
• 57:32
  Speaker 11: beginning of the year. I think he winds up in
• 57:35
  Speaker 11: double digits in sacks and becomes a big, big part
• 57:39
  Speaker 11: of what we've been talking about, and that is a
• 57:41
  Speaker 11: bigger and better and badder.
• 57:43
  Speaker 8: Pass rush for the Bengals.
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: All right, that's a clip, and save for Joseph Osai,
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: we get to our fifth and final question. I'm going
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: to turn the clock back a little bit here. I
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: had the honor of being the first ever guest on
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: the Jungle Roar podcast. This was prior to the twenty
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: twenty one seasons Super Bowl fifty six season, and we
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: did a predict the record for the upcoming season. You
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: said thirteen wins, and while they didn't get the thirteen wins,
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: they did go to the Super Bowl. I remember thinking
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: that you were nuts at the time, and clearly you
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: were not.
• 58:16
  Speaker 8: So here we go.
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: What will the Bengals record be and where will they
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: finish in the AFC North.
• 58:23
  Speaker 11: I think they will finish eleven and six, Dan, I
• 58:26
  Speaker 11: think they will win the AFC North. I obviously think
• 58:30
  Speaker 11: there were two strutches of this season that will be
• 58:33
  Speaker 11: the telltale of what the Bengals wind up towards the
• 58:38
  Speaker 11: end of the season and at the end of the season.
• 58:41
  Speaker 11: But I think this time they get the hole. Let's
• 58:44
  Speaker 11: start the season hot, Let's start the season better. I
• 58:47
  Speaker 11: think they get that right this year. But the four
• 58:51
  Speaker 11: games right after Jacksonville are going to tell me a
• 58:54
  Speaker 11: lot about where this team is going. I think they
• 58:57
  Speaker 11: figured some things out. I think Al Golden is going
• 59:00
  Speaker 11: to bring a difference on that defense, a different look.
• 59:04
  Speaker 11: And then certainly when they start with that stretch beginning
• 59:09
  Speaker 11: with Pittsburgh, New England and then Baltimore and Buffalo, Baltimore
• 59:14
  Speaker 11: twice and Buffalo once in seventeen days, to me, that's
• 59:19
  Speaker 11: where the season is going to be made. But I
• 59:20
  Speaker 11: think the Bengals will be prepared to handle that stretch
• 59:24
  Speaker 11: with an improved defense and the best offense.
• 59:28
  Speaker 8: I think it's going to be the best offense in
• 59:30
  Speaker 8: football this year.
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: So eleven wins first place in the AFC North, that
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: probably means they are not the number one seed and
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: not getting a playoff by but it would mean a
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: home playoff game at pay Course Stadium and hopefully the
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: start of another nice long postseason run. Trags, appreciate your time,
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: appreciate the takes.
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: Thanks so much for joining me on the pod.
• 59:53
  Speaker 8: Dan, always a pleasure. Thank you very much for having me.
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: Nobody cranks out more Bengals content than my buddy James Rapeens.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: So I'm sure these five questions are going to be
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: a breeze for you. Are you ready to tackle these
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: five issues on the Bengals Booth podcast?
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 8: Absolutely, I'm ready to go.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: I'm sure you are.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: Question number one, what is your biggest question going into
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: training camp?
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 12: There are a bunch of questions, right, and I think
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 12: that the good news is as you're starting from a
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 12: good spot where you're not asking about quarterbacks like other
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 12: teams in the division or in the league that the
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 12: Bengals are going to be competing with. But to me,
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 12: it's high level. Did the Bengals do enough to address
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 12: their obvious weaknesses? The weaknesses that you've been discussing for months,
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 12: whether it's at the combine or a head of free agency,
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 12: all the way now through the draft, in mini camp,
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 12: when training camp is looming and we're still talking about
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 12: the pass rush. Will they have enough pass rush? Did
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 12: they do enough to protect Joe Burrow from an interior
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 12: offensive line standpoint? And so those are the the major
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 12: weaknesses that we've spent so much time talking about. You
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 12: mentioned the content. I mean, I think everything I've talked
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 12: about has had to do with protecting Joe or something
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 12: with Al Golden's defense, and I think it starts with
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 12: the pass rush.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: So did they do enough in.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 12: Those two areas to get by, not only get by,
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 12: but be much better in both spots this season?
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: All Right? Topic two?
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: Who is James Rapines breakout player in twenty twenty five?
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 12: I don't think this is going to surprise many people,
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 12: but I might be the biggest Dax Hill stand outside.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: Of maybe a few people in the front office.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 12: And I don't think he would even be eligible for
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 12: this had he not gotten hurt last year because he
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 12: was breaking out and it was it was happening right
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 12: before our eyes. And the fact that this team picked
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 12: up his fifth year option something that I'm not sure
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 12: I would have done, honestly, and I'm I'm a big
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 12: because it's just a lot of money to commit to
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 12: and you don't have an extension in place, And yet
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 12: I think that tells you exactly how they feel. You
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 12: talk to the coaching staff and they're will really bullish
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 12: on Dax. So I would expect Dax Hill to break
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 12: out this year and be a big part of not
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 12: just the twenty twenty five Bengals, but their future.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: And if it's up to you, is he playing on
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: the outside or is he playing in the slot.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 12: I would play him on the outside some and then
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 12: I would kick him into the slot some and I
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 12: would put him on the edge and have him blitz,
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 12: and I would use him as this versatile weapon that
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 12: can do a little bit of everything, because I'm not
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 12: expecting him to be a shutdown number one corner, not
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 12: that he can't be your number one corner, but I
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 12: don't know if he's going to be Drell Reevis, but
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 12: I think he can be a really high end player
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 12: in your secondary that does a bunch of different things.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 12: And so hopefully that's what they can do, is get
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 12: the most out of him, whatever that is. And maybe
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 12: that is just playing outside. I think it's doing a
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 12: little bit of a few different things.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: Al Golden was moving corners around a lot during the
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: OTAs and the mini camp practices that we saw. Can
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: you do that in games?
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 8: I think so with a guy like Dax, you definitely can.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 12: I think the thing that impresses me most about him,
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 12: as much as it's the athleticism and all of those things,
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 12: it's he never gets too high or too low. Didn't
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 12: really get rattled when they moved him from safety to corner.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 12: Has handled all these situations he's been put in pretty well,
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 12: I think, and it hasn't really impacted his confidence much.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 12: So I think, yeah, you could put him on the outside,
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 12: kick him inside, move him all over, and if you
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 12: have a guy that can do that well, then it's
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 12: going to allow you to move some of those guys
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 12: around as well. And I think Cam Taylor BRIT's another
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 12: one that we saw in mini camp move around and
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 12: that's certainly noteworthy in something I'll behind going into training camp.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: All right, We are visiting with the president of the
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: Dax Hill Fan Club, James Rapine, also from bengkalstalk dot
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: com and the Lockdown Bengals podcast. Topic number three is
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: the defense. It will be better if.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 12: God dot God Al Golden is who Zach Taylor thinks
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 12: he is, and based on all my interactions with Al,
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 12: Zach is going to be right. But that's what the
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 12: Bengals are saying, That's what Zach Taylor is saying is
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 12: Al Golden is going to be a difference maker on
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 12: defense for us. It's going to be a lot of
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 12: the same faces, but we are going to get more
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 12: out of these guys. We're going to put them in
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 12: position to succeed. We're also going to get a big
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 12: nose tackle in TJ.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: Slayton.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 4: That is going to matter.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 12: Having a guy like that is going to impact things
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 12: and change the way you have some of those lineups
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 12: in the trenches.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 4: But that's it.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 12: That's what it's going to come down to, is Al
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 12: Golden being exactly who Zach thinks he is. And I
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 12: think Zach thinks he's one of the best defensive minds
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 12: on the planet, and so we'll see if it rings
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 12: true this season.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: I respect it, Admirer lou Anarumo. I'm sure you do too,
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: But it seems to me that Al Golden is the
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: right guy for what the Bengals have to be on
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: defense with the amount of money they're spending on offense.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 8: No doubt.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 12: And I think that when you look at a guy
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 12: like Dax Hill or Miles Murphy or whoever else, it's
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 12: finding how they fit in making sure you get something
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 12: out of them. You can't go two years, Let's use
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 12: Shamar Stewart for as an example, two years and not
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 12: really know what Shamar is. And we're kind of that
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 12: way with Miles Murphy and hopefully we get some answers
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 12: this year.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: But I think that's it is.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 12: Al Golden isn't going to look around and say, well,
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 12: why is my cupboard empty? He's going to say, all right,
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 12: this is what's in the cupboard. Let's try to make
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 12: the best meal possible.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: You have jokingly been referred to from time to time
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: as hot take James, So this question is ideally suited
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: for you. Give us James Rapine's hot take about training
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: camp or the upcoming season.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 12: So in typical hot take James fashion, I have two,
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 12: So I'm I'm bringing the flamethrower one that yeah, might
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 12: not be that taky for those that believe in T Higgins,
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 12: but I think T Higgins is about to have the
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 12: best year of his career. And he had ten touchdowns
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 12: last year I think twelve hundred plus yards. I think
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 12: by the end of the season we're talking about him
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 12: as a top ten wide receiver. My biggest fear last
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 12: year at this time, or one of them, at least
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 12: from a Bengals standpoint, is letting T Higgins walk after
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 12: the twenty twenty four season and then watching him play
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 12: his best football elsewhere. I think that's what would have
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 12: happened had they let him leave.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: They didn't. They paid him.
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  Speaker 12: I think they'll reap the rewards of that and see
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 12: them this year. Obviously, health is a factor, but I
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 12: think he's going to maybe have the healthiest season of
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 12: his career. Knock on wood. The other one in this
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 12: I think is going to be considered the hot take.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 12: Shamar Stewart is going to have more sacks as a
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 12: rookie than he did in his entire college career.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: It now, that's not setting the bar all that high,
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: but still I like it.
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  Speaker 12: So if he ends up with five sacks and it's disruptive,
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 12: and you know, I think what's interesting is the dialogue
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 12: about everything contract wise, and I can't wait to see
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 12: him on the field because he is going to matter.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 12: And I do think he's still going to be the
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 12: favorite to start alongside Trey Hendricks and not that that matters,
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 12: but yeah, I think five plus sacks and maybe I'm
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 12: going a little light there, maybe he gets to seven
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 12: or eight.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: You never know. Well, I really like that take.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: Joseph Osai expects to be the guy that starts on
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: the opposite side of Trey Hendrickson, and that might be
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: the case because of his because of his experience, but
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: Shamar Stewart is certainly going to play a lot, and
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: I'm with you, I expect him to have a very
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: productive season. Hopefully he's practicing from day one of training camp,
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: which would help. I don't know if that'll be the
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: case or not, but I do think that he is
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: going to be a significant part of this defense from
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: day one.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 12: Yeah, and they need him to be. And that's when
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 12: they drafted him. The first hour or two it's like, man,
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 12: is he going to be ready? Can he contribute? And
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 12: the more I looked at that room and looked at
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 12: what he brought, he's going to give them something that
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 12: these other guys have pieces of. But he's just such
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 12: a freak and he's so physically imposing, and I think
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 12: he's going to matter. Even if he doesn't start, that
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 12: to me doesn't matter. You know, as long as he's
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 12: getting twenty five naps or something like that a week,
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 12: you're going to notice him on the field.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: Our fifth and final question has to do with your
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: prediction for the upcoming season. What will the Bengals record
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: be and where will they finish in the AFC North.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 12: When the schedule came out, you always play the schedule game,
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 12: and I did, and I'm sure everyone did, and you
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 12: look at it, you go win loss loss, win, win loss.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 12: And i'd been in Those that have followed me know
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 12: that I've been a bit underwhelmed with what the Bengals
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 12: have added from a talent standpoint this offseason and have
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 12: questions about the pass rush and offensive line and things
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 12: like that. And yet when I played the schedule game,
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 12: and I look at prime Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 12: and I'm expecting Trey Hendrickson, and I mentioned how bullish
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 12: I am on T Higgins. I got to twelve wins.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 12: I got to a team that is going to be
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 12: in the thick of it, not just in the AFC North,
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 12: but in the AFC. And part of it is because
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 12: I think the defense is going to be better with
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 12: Al Golden, better with what they have, and I think
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 12: Joe Burrow is just that darn good that even if
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 12: the offensive line on the interior isn't above average, he's
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 12: going to be able to make it work. We've seen that,
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 12: we know what Jamar and t bring and heck Mike
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 12: Gasicki in his second season, Chase Brown settling in as
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 12: he enters his prime. I think that this offense has
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 12: more to it and it's not just about the defense.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 12: I expect them to be really darn good. And so
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 12: I got to twelve and five, first in the North
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 12: and probably battling for a one seed. If they're winning
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 12: twelve games.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: I like the sound of that finishing a game ahead
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: of Baltimore a couple of games, winning a tiebreaker. What
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: do you think in terms of that first place in
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: the division?
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 8: Pick?
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 12: I had them sweeping Baltimore both. I think they're I
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 12: think they're due. Everyone's talking about, oh, Thanksgiving and Thursday
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 12: Night in one. I think Joe, yeah, he wants one
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 12: of those here, but he's going to love that on
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 12: that that that wins. Like the mindset of going in
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 12: there and trying to slay the Ravens in Baltimore. He's
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 12: played really well there over the past couple of years,
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 12: so I obviously the one year he got hurt but
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 12: was playing well and they had the lead when he
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 12: did get hurt. So I think that they they could
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 12: absolutely sweep them.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 8: We'll see if they do.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 12: But there's a reason teams haven't won the division three
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 12: straight years, and I think it's Bengal and Ravens clearly
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 12: ahead of the Browns and the Steelers in the North
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 12: from a talent standpoint, and so I think the Bengals
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 12: get it done and make sure that the Ravens don't
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 12: make history in the North.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: Great stuff, no surprise from James Rpaine. I appreciate your time.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: Look forward to seeing the en camp of course. Thanks
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: Dan Richard Skinner. Are you ready to tackle five.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: Questions on the Bengals Booth podcast?
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 13: I'm honored to tackle five questions, Dan Horden.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: That is overstating it, but I appreciate your time. Here
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: we go, Question number one, what is your biggest question
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: going into training camp?
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: Now?
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 13: As we record this, it has to be what's gonna
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 13: happen with Tray Anderson and Shamar Stewart. I mean, I
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 13: think until that gets resolved, that's going to hang over
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 13: everything in camp, and we'll continue to hang over everything.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 13: So as you record this, my hope would be it's
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 13: who becomes the two starting guards, because then we're talking
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 13: about what's happening on the field and not what's going
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 13: on off the field. So as you record this, there's
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 13: no doubt in my mind it's the contract issue with
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 13: Trey Henderson and Jamar Stewart. But if they get resolved,
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 13: then it would be who evolves as the starting guards,
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 13: and the hope would be who takes the reins and
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 13: takes the job at starting guards, not that they have
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 13: to give two guys starting spots.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: Before I move on to any of the other questions,
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: and you may tackle this in questions to come, but
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 2: is it your feeling that Stuart and Hendrickson will ultimately
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: participate in camp and or play.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 13: Stuart seems awfully dug in that he won't participate until
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 13: he gets that contract sign and it doesn't sound like
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 13: he's gonna get that contract signed until they change the
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 13: language to the way he wants it. I can also
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 13: see Trey not participating in camp, but I'll save one
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 13: of my takes for down the road here, I think.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 8: All right.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 2: Question number two, who is Richard Skinner's breakout player in
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty five.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 13: I'm gonna go Chase Brown based on that great finish
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 13: from last year. He had nine hundred yards from scrimmage
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 13: in the last eight games. If he keeps that pace up,
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 13: and I think he actually add to that because I
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 13: think they're gonna try to find ways to get him
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 13: even more touches in dynamic ways. I mean, Dan, he
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 13: could approach two thousand yards from scrimmage, that's probably a reach,
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 13: but based on what he averaged last year over a
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 13: seventeen gamespan, that's that's almost nineteen hundred yards. So I
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 13: don't think that's all that far fetched. And if I
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 13: go one guy on defense and you're asking for one
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 13: guy overall, I know that. But I think Joseph Osai,
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 13: I mean what he did down the stretch of last
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 13: year a half a sack and six of the last
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 13: seven games five sacks overall in that span, he just
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 13: seemed to finally get it, and I would think the
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 13: double digit sack season is in the realm for him.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: Hello, that would be significant.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: And as for Chase Brown, if you go back over
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: those last eight games, as you mentioned, that computes to
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 2: one nine hundred and seventy six yards combined rushing and receiving.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: So saying two thousand as a possibility is certainly not
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: far fetched, all right. Question number three for Local twelve's
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: Richard Skinner, the Bengals defense will be better if dot
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 2: dot dot.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 13: Mar Stuart and Trey Henderson's sign. I mean, I think
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 13: it'll be better if they if they signed for sure,
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 13: and if Al Golden does things tactically to get some
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 13: strengths out of guys that needed seasons last year they
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 13: didn't have. I mean, get more out of Geno Stone,
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 13: get more out of the corners. You know, you saw
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 13: the up and down play of Cam Taylor Britt. I'm
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 13: not asking to come into a schematic genius. I mean,
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 13: there's only so much you can do schematically. It's still
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 13: I mean, sports all across the board is about the
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 13: Jimmies and Joe's and so I just want to see
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 13: if he can get more out of those guys. I mean,
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 13: he certainly was optimistic the day we talked to him
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 13: at the end of mini camp. It's kund of like
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 13: this defense had no cares in the world. They were
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 13: all world players. But I think, to me, it's if
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 13: Al Golden can get more out of some guys that
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 13: he needs to get more out of.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 2: Give me Skinny's hot take about training camp or the
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty five season.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 13: We will say this, and I guess I'll tie to
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 13: Trey Henderson at the moment. I will say that Trey
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 13: will hold out if he doesn't have an extension, But
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 13: I don't think he misses a single solitary game check.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 13: I think when push comes to the shove, he is
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 13: going to capitulate and un nderstand that he has to play.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 13: He has to play well. He has to put up
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 13: sack numbers if he wants to get paid next year.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 13: You know, Other than that, there's not much to be
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 13: hot taking on. To be honest with you, Dan, I mean,
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 13: I guess I could say a hot take would be
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 13: we're gonna see a cam Taylor Britt blossom into the
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 13: player we think he can be in his bin. He
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 13: had that obviously, that flash moment the one day during
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 13: OTAs or that diving interception along the sideline. He seems
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 13: to be rejuvenated, refresh and rate a role. But to me,
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 13: the hot take would be Trey Andandrickson will sit in
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 13: camp if he doesn't have an extension, but he ain't
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 13: missing a game check.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: Joseph o Side double digit sacks was already fairly hot
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: as well.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 4: That's pretty close.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: That's a good point, all right.
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: Our fifth and final question for Richard Skinner from Local twelve,
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: the host of the Skinny podcast, what will the Bengals
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: record be and where will they finish in the AFC North.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 13: When the schedule came out, we all do this exercise, right,
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 13: we picked the record of we just go down the
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 13: list of why it's a win. I always put games
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 13: in three categories, likely wins, likely losses, and swing games.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 13: Every year I've done that exercise, likely win turns into
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 13: a loss, a likely loss becomes a win, and really
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 13: the season is always decided by the swing games. Of
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 13: the last year, a lot of likely win categories like
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 13: New England and Washington turned into losses that you didn't expect.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 4: I went eleven and six when they did it. I'll
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 4: stick with that for right now.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 13: I can see more if Al Golden does get some
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 13: more out of the defense, if the Trey Hendricks and
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 13: Shamar Stewart thing is into distraction, if the two starting
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 13: guards are guys that actually can play and are capable
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 13: and perform well, Dylan Fairchild Lucas Patrick the front runners there.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 4: I'll go eleven and.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 13: Six, and they finished second in the division, because I
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 13: think twelve and five still wins this division. I still
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 13: think it's Baltimore until you knock Baltimore off. But I
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 13: can be talked into twelve and five once we get rolling.
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 13: But I went eleven and six. I'll stick with eleven
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 13: and six.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: Pittsburgh third, Cleveland fourth.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 13: Pretty simple and for the first time and the Mike
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 13: Tomlin era of Pittsburgh losing record.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: Oh well, there we go.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 2: Let's add one final hot take before we wrap things up. Skinny,
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 2: I appreciate your time, see it camp.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 4: Thanks Dan.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: It wouldn't be.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 2: Fair to ask my friends and colleagues to answer those
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 2: questions without sharing my answers, So here goes. My biggest
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 2: question going into training camp is about camp itself. What
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 2: exactly is going to be different in hopes of avoiding
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 2: another slow start. The Bengals have started zero to two
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 2: in each of the last three years and in five
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 2: of Zach Taylor's six years as head coach. The record
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: in September under Zach is seven fifteen and one. We
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 2: already know some of the things that will be different
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 2: this year. For example, they're practicing in the morning instead
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 2: of the afternoon. It should be a little cooler, and
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 2: hopefully that will lead to crisper practices. We also know
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: that the starters are going to play more in the
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 2: preseason games. Zach has been reluctant to risk injuries and
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 2: games that don't count, but at some point you have
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 2: to try something different if what you're doing isn't working.
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 2: So the question is what else will be different. The
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 2: practices during mini camp were more physical than in recent years,
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 2: particularly when it comes to line play, and I expect
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 2: that to continue in training camp. But will we see
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 2: periods with actual tackling? Will there be more scrimmaging. How
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 2: they changed things up in hopes of getting off to
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 2: a better start is my biggest question going into camp.
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 2: My breakout player in twenty twenty five is a Marius Mims,
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 2: and I'm surprised that nobody else picked him as a
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 2: rookie with limited college snaps. So Marius started thirteen games
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 2: and played well. And that's despite the fact that he
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 2: suffered a pectoral injury in the preseason opener that caused
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 2: him to miss about a month, and then he dealt
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 2: with ankle and hand injuries late in the season. His
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 2: eight hundred and thirty four snaps were about thirty more
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 2: than he had in his career at Georgia, and there's
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: no doubt that he has all pro potential. In the
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 2: words of Bengals scout and Andrew Johnson, Amrius has a
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 2: chance to be as special as anybody I've seen. I
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 2: expect a big step in that direction for a Marius
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 2: Mims this year. The next question is the Bengals defense
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 2: will be better if dot dot dot, and my answer
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 2: is you name it. Last year was rough, as the
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 2: Bengals lost four times when they scored thirty three or
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 2: more points and gave up twenty five and a half
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 2: per game. This might sound like a cop out, but
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: the law of averages tells us that it's bound to
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 2: be better, right. I always remember something Marvin Lewis told
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 2: me years ago, you need young legs on defense. Well,
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 2: last year, Sam Hubbard, Von Bell, Sheldon Rankins, and Jermaine
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 2: Pratt started to show their age. Fortunately, the Bengals have
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 2: young legs waiting in the wings, and they're going to
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 2: get every opportunity to shine under Al Golden, new defensive
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: line coach Jerry Montgomery and new linebackers coach Mike Hodges.
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 2: Young players will make some mistakes that comes with the territory,
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 2: but you can't be afraid to play them. Al Golden
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 2: isn't and the Bengals defense will be better as a result.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 2: Now time for my hot take. Ready, the Bengals will
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 2: have at least two players on the NFL's All Rookie Team.
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 2: They had one last year in punter Ryan Rico, but
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 2: the last time the Bengals had two they went to
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 2: the Super Bowl when Jamar Chase and Evan McPherson were
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 2: honored in twenty twenty one. Right now, it appears highly
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 2: likely that second round pick Demetrius Knight and third rounder
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 2: Dylan Fairchild are going to be Day one starters, and
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 2: sooner or later, hopefully sooner, Shamar Stewart will sign his
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 2: rookie contract and play a big role even if he
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 2: isn't a starter right away. So my hot take is
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 2: that at least two of those guys will make the
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 2: All Rookie Team. Finally, it's my turn to predict the
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 2: record and finish in the AFC North. I've gone game
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 2: by game through this year's schedule and come away at
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 2: twelve and five with losses at Denver, Green Bay, Baltimore, Buffalo,
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 2: and Miami, and I have the Bengals winning the AFC
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 2: North by one game over the Ravens, thanks in large
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 2: part to the difference between Baltimore's first place schedule and
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 2: Cincinnati's third place schedule. Each team has one game against
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 2: the team from the AFC South. The Ravens play the
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 2: first place Texans, the Bengals play the third place Jaguars.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 2: Advantage Cincinnati. They each play one game against the NFC West.
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 2: For the Ravens it's the Rams. For the Bengals it's
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  Speaker 2: the Cardinals again advantage Cincinnati, and each team also plays
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  Speaker 2: one game against the AFC West. For the Ravens it's
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  Speaker 2: on the road at Kansas City. For the Bengals, it's
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  Speaker 2: on the road at Denver. Both tough games, but again
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  Speaker 2: I think you would agree advantage Cincinnati. That's going to
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