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Sleep Paralysis Home Invaders, Human-Spider Hybrids & Lost Giants · The Cryptid Huntress

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  Speaker 1: Well, good name and everybody, it's the Krypton Huntress. I'm
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  Speaker 1: Jessica Jones. Happy Saturday, all. We have a fantastic show tonight.
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  Speaker 1: We have Weave, somebody who's brand new to the channel
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  Speaker 1: over here. Uh, we have Chris Holme in the studio.
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  Speaker 1: I had the pleasure of hanging out with Chris and
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  Speaker 1: and boy, We've got a lot of interesting things to
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  Speaker 1: our show tonight because we have a whole list of
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  Speaker 1: stuff we're going to talk about, and not just his encounters, okay,
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  Speaker 1: because Chris is really into the cryptids, into giants and
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  Speaker 1: especially dog Man, Bigfoot and maybe even some spider creatures.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. We're gonna we're gonna go deep on
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  Speaker 1: this one tonight. Okay, So let me get Chris introduced
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  Speaker 1: to you, guys.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Chris is the host and producer of Conspire, a theory podcast,
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  Speaker 1: a paranormal fandom, hot topic comedy show that has raunchy
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  Speaker 1: humor and skeptical insight. Short and sweet, y'all, please help
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  Speaker 1: me welcome the show, my buddy Chris Holme.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, Chris, Hey, how's it going. Good to meet you
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  Speaker 3: and good to meet your audience. It's great to be here.
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  Speaker 3: I've been wanting to talk to you for quite some time.
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  Speaker 3: I know that we hang out at the SR meetups.
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  Speaker 3: We hang up up there and it's a lot of fun.
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  Speaker 3: We hardly ever have a chance to just sit together
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  Speaker 3: one on one and chit chat, but hopefully we'll be
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  Speaker 3: burning the midnight oil, so to speak.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely, I had a fantastic time we did. You're you're
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  Speaker 1: a really good friend to space Out Radio. And uh
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  Speaker 1: and I know you've been on you've been on Dave Show,
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  Speaker 1: but you're part of the space Out Radio family, man,
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  Speaker 1: because we're you know, we're we're all a big family.
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  Speaker 3: There's a lot of interesting people there. Uh oh, I
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  Speaker 3: guess she's running into some technical issues. Well, I guess
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  Speaker 3: we'll take care of that. I guess I'll go ahead
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  Speaker 3: and talk just a little bit about my show. It's
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  Speaker 3: uh inspire a theory, mostly paranormal stuff, you know. Every
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  Speaker 3: now and then I'll talk to authors and and researchers
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  Speaker 3: and all this stuff and experiences there right now and then.
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  Speaker 3: And that's just a lot of fun that I like
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  Speaker 3: to do on my show. Uh oh, check your mic
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  Speaker 3: coming in in bits and pieces.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, okay here, Actually this is not good. Let me
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  Speaker 1: let me hold on. I'll be right back. I gotta
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  Speaker 1: take I gotta take one moment, Chris, I am so sorry.
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  Speaker 3: All right, no problem. I guess I'll go ahead and
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  Speaker 3: keep it going from here. I'll talk a little bit
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  Speaker 3: about my show, and then I'll lead into my sleep
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  Speaker 3: Promises experiences up here. She goes again, Let's see what
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  Speaker 3: this works.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, I'm so sorry. Yes, that that is so odd
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  Speaker 1: when you have when you have an extra phone this
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  Speaker 1: on like your Spotify, I cannot wish to say, like
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  Speaker 1: it can somehow hijack my phone. I'm on my phone tonight,
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  Speaker 1: so I just gotta hijacked. But I'm back. Uh, technical
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  Speaker 1: difficulties and it's called a glitch in the matrix is
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  Speaker 1: what I like to call those. But but anyways, I'm sorry, Chris.
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  Speaker 3: I'm so sorry, no problem.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, where's that music coming from?
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  Speaker 2: Wow?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so let's get back to this. I'm so sorry. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: So we so we met at space out Radio. Was
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  Speaker 1: saying that we are a big old family over there,
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  Speaker 1: and and I just actually just talked to Dave Scott
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  Speaker 1: just a few minutes before we started the show tonight,
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  Speaker 1: So shout out to him, and uh, and I was,
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  Speaker 1: I was when I was going through some of your artwork,
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  Speaker 1: actually saw someome art with David. So I just want
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  Speaker 1: to give David bill shout out tonight. Okay before we
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  Speaker 1: start talking. But I am super intrigued by some of
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  Speaker 1: your encounters, Chris. Okay, Uh, something something got you into
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  Speaker 1: all this paranormal stuff.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess my first initial encounter that I guess
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  Speaker 3: I could say came up on on that I can
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  Speaker 3: recall that is the most prominent that I could share
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  Speaker 3: is the sleep paralysis event that I had one time,
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  Speaker 3: and it was it really shook me up because I've
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  Speaker 3: been like a long time student of the paranormal. I've
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  Speaker 3: been a fan and avid listener of Art Bell for decades.
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  Speaker 3: I've been listening to him since Oh she's saying something,
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  Speaker 3: you no, there's no volume coming in.
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  Speaker 1: It was I was, I was telling my sense I'm sorry, Okay, no.
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  Speaker 3: Problem, We'll keep it going. We'll keep it going.
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  Speaker 1: I'll keep going while you're talking. Sorry, just kidding, no problem.
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  Speaker 3: So then I was listening to so I was well
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  Speaker 3: aware of what sleep proalysis was, and it's sort of
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  Speaker 3: you know, uh, it's it's sort of it's it's motion.
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  Speaker 3: It's movement in the paranormal that a lot of people
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  Speaker 3: like to use. And I believe that my experience was
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  Speaker 3: sleep paralysis, although there is some sort of lead way
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  Speaker 3: that some people might think that there might be more
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  Speaker 3: to that. But first let's start off. I was I
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  Speaker 3: was in between working a night shift. I was working
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  Speaker 3: like either ten or twelve hour shift, and then I
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  Speaker 3: was sitting in my bed. It was daytime, and then
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  Speaker 3: I'm just lying on my bed and then I feel
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  Speaker 3: the sleep paralysis event come over me. It's sort of
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  Speaker 3: like it feels like my veins had liquid fear poured
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  Speaker 3: all through them, you know, and it was very creepy
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  Speaker 3: and it just weighed me down. I felt my body
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  Speaker 3: just completely way down. And on the other hand, though,
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  Speaker 3: and as this is happening, I'm completely stuck, you know.
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  Speaker 3: And of course that's usual. Only their eyes can move
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  Speaker 3: and stuff like that. So then I look into the
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  Speaker 3: corner and then my door starts to open. And then
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  Speaker 3: as that is happening, in walks these two entities. They're
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  Speaker 3: clearly human, but they're misshapen in certain ways. One is
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  Speaker 3: very tall and rotund. He's got like a tight black
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  Speaker 3: shirt that's so tight that his belly is hanging out,
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  Speaker 3: and he's got like these sort of tight bicycle pants on,
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  Speaker 3: and he's he's you know, walking in And then there's
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  Speaker 3: another one, which I think was sort of the leader
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  Speaker 3: of the group, even though there was just two of them,
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  Speaker 3: he was sort of the leader. He was sort of
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  Speaker 3: a hunched over man with a bushy mustache. He had
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  Speaker 3: like a trucker cap on. They both had drunkers, and
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  Speaker 3: he had this overshirt. There was sort of a plaid overshirt,
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  Speaker 3: which seems to be a sort of you know, moniker
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  Speaker 3: among the the pair of normal is that if anything's
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  Speaker 3: going to wear any kind of a shirt, it's going
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  Speaker 3: to be a plaid shirt. That's just what they that's
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  Speaker 3: just their style. But this one, it wasn't red and black.
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  Speaker 2: It was.
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  Speaker 3: Green and blue. And he was a sort of hunched over,
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  Speaker 3: broken overlooking man, and he was giving me this stern look,
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  Speaker 3: you know, look in my eyes. And as they did that,
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  Speaker 3: they were going through my stuff. They were opening closets
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  Speaker 3: and going through my drawers and all of this stuff
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  Speaker 3: and just poking through everything, just shuffling through all of
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  Speaker 3: my stuff. And every now and then the short one
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  Speaker 3: would look at me very sternly to make sure that
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  Speaker 3: I wasn't moving. And then what happened that was strange.
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  Speaker 3: On top of that, even though there was already strange
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  Speaker 3: enough stuff happening, one started they started to open closet
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  Speaker 3: space into rooms and walls that didn't have closets in them,
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  Speaker 3: which was weird, Like I have a walking closet, right,
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  Speaker 3: And that's just the regular door into the walking closet. Well,
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  Speaker 3: one of them opened up like a sliding door closet
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  Speaker 3: into one of the walls, and at the time, I
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  Speaker 3: had no sliding door closet, and inside that closet was
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  Speaker 3: just more closet refuge, like coats and crap all over
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  Speaker 3: the bottom, you know, shoecases, whatever, and it's just going
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  Speaker 3: through them, and you know, and then as I started
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  Speaker 3: to gain control, I start to you know, I can
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  Speaker 3: feel myself start to get controlled as that. It's like
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  Speaker 3: they become aware of that, and they start to saunter out.
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  Speaker 3: They and they even close the door behind them, and
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  Speaker 3: I get up, and of course I'm physically shook. I'm
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  Speaker 3: just you know, on edge. And then I get up,
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  Speaker 3: I go through my apartment. I look, you know, everywhere.
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  Speaker 3: You know, there is no way I had two layers
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  Speaker 3: of security, dead bolts and electronic security, and there was
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  Speaker 3: no way that they could have gotten out without triggering
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  Speaker 3: or dismantling or or you know, messing with either layer
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  Speaker 3: of security. So they just, as far as I could tell,
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  Speaker 3: just disappeared into into fat air. And it was it
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  Speaker 3: shook me. But the thing is I kind of knew
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  Speaker 3: what sleep prolysis was. So I I I sort of
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  Speaker 3: wrote it off as simply that, but it was still
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  Speaker 3: even though you quote unquote know better, the experience is
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  Speaker 3: still unsettling. So I can see why people, you know,
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  Speaker 3: assign this this profoundness to it, and they definitely want
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  Speaker 3: to know more of what happened, what is going on.
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  Speaker 3: And I could definitely see people, you know, seeing the
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  Speaker 3: answers for that, you know, seeking them out.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, I have have some questions for you. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so you have a very vivid memory of what you
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  Speaker 1: were looking at and what was there, and that is
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  Speaker 1: that's kind to be pretty terrifying. I've actually been in
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  Speaker 1: the same predicament where I have woken up at least
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  Speaker 1: two different times where I had some people in my room. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: people in my room very I'm going to say two times.
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  Speaker 1: I think there were extraterrestrials. Okay, but I'm not. I
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  Speaker 1: can't say positively they were, but I think they were.
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  Speaker 1: I've had other times where I've woken up and I
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  Speaker 1: felt presence in my room and I knew there was
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  Speaker 1: somebody in there, but you know, I've had things floating
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  Speaker 1: over my bed, I've had faces looking down at me
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  Speaker 1: from my bed, which I just assumed were ghosts. I've
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  Speaker 1: had ghosts in my room. I've had full bodied apparition
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  Speaker 1: of solid humans in my room, a lot of strange things,
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  Speaker 1: but usually I usually fall asleep right after I realized
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  Speaker 1: what I'm looking at. But see, in your case, you
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  Speaker 1: didn't fall asleep, you were able to stay awake right
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  Speaker 1: until they were gone.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I was sort of I don't know. I guess
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  Speaker 3: I wasn't in I was taking a nap, but I
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  Speaker 3: wasn't long term sleeping. And also this happened during the day,
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  Speaker 3: daylight hours, so I was, you know, I was probably
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  Speaker 3: gonna get up anyways, or as far as I know,
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  Speaker 3: I and I just popped right up and went around
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  Speaker 3: and looked. You know, I was able to immediately, you know,
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  Speaker 3: get up and and you know, uh, you know, circle
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  Speaker 3: my surroundings to to you know, like actively seek out
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  Speaker 3: what was happening. And I think that's sort of the
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  Speaker 3: difference because when we do it, when when it happens
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  Speaker 3: to us when we're when we're sleeping, we're sort of
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  Speaker 3: like in the middle of sleeping. And I think, I
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  Speaker 3: don't know, whatever the experience, but has the means of
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  Speaker 3: just turning us off, and it just shuts us off
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  Speaker 3: like a like a like a light, and we just
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  Speaker 3: and some of us I can understand how some are like, well,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I'm probably so exhausted from from time sleeping
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  Speaker 3: or I've just gotten in and out of whatever runs
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  Speaker 3: sleep that it sort of you sauntered back into that
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  Speaker 3: zone and it sort of that takes you out in
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  Speaker 3: some instances, as I can tell.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you also are saying, I'm sorry, my audio
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  Speaker 1: is a little cracked like tonight for some reason. I
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  Speaker 1: was just noticing that you were saying that it looked
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  Speaker 1: as though they were in a different dimension, like they
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  Speaker 1: were opening closet doors that didn't exist. Okay, that's have
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  Speaker 1: you have you ever thought? Okay, So this this question
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  Speaker 1: was posed to me by Tony Merkle. I was on
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  Speaker 1: his show The Confessionals podcast a couple of weeks ago,
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  Speaker 1: and I was talking about my experience waking up at
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  Speaker 1: night and there being ET's in my room. And he said, well,
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  Speaker 1: and I remember thinking, and I remember that my dogs
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't wake up, and my dogs weren't awake, my son
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  Speaker 1: didn't wake up. My son was in the bed right
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  Speaker 1: beside me, and I was only awake, and he said, well,
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  Speaker 1: what what if? What if there was you were in
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  Speaker 1: another You were in the astral when that happened. You
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  Speaker 1: were in their dimension. Okay, like you were still there.
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  Speaker 1: You were just you were in the three D two,
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  Speaker 1: but you were also it's like your astral body basically,
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  Speaker 1: and that's why everyone else in your environment wasn't experiencing
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  Speaker 1: It was just you. Do you think that could have
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  Speaker 1: been kind of your case too in this instance?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. When I when I bring this up with with
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  Speaker 3: other people, other other researchers and you know, people who
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  Speaker 3: are sort of you know, more into it like yourself,
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  Speaker 3: have brought up the account that, you know, could this
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  Speaker 3: have been an abduction and counter where it was simply
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  Speaker 3: dressed over with these sort of you know, costumes and
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  Speaker 3: you know, like did they did they come into my room?
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  Speaker 3: Did they spill over their essence or whatever it was
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  Speaker 3: into the into the room so that that way they
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  Speaker 3: could interact with more than just the room itself. I've
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  Speaker 3: had like a lot of those, you know hypotheses you know,
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  Speaker 3: brought up, and I do, you know, find them quite
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  Speaker 3: interesting and you know, and I can understand they're very
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  Speaker 3: plausible as far as anything like definitive that I anything
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  Speaker 3: more that I could get out of it. I I
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  Speaker 3: just can't get that much more out of it other
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  Speaker 3: than it was just a strange thing that happened and
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  Speaker 3: then and then you know, I just got up from
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  Speaker 3: it and was able to to sort of seek it out.
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  Speaker 3: Now I felt the presence of what I think are
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  Speaker 3: these beings like maybe once or twice afterwards in similar
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  Speaker 3: sleep paralysis s type of encounters, But I think that
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  Speaker 3: was mostly due to, you know, just just sleep paralysis
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  Speaker 3: reactivating itself. And then I simply just you know, would
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  Speaker 3: you know, will myself out of the experience and then
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  Speaker 3: just turn over and go back to sleep type of things.
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  Speaker 3: So when it comes to the sleep paralysis initial experience
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  Speaker 3: it myself, I've had like a lot of experience with it,
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  Speaker 3: and I've dealt with it Like I'm not someone who
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  Speaker 3: chronically suffers from it. It's more of a thing where
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  Speaker 3: I've had enough, I've done enough of my own research
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  Speaker 3: and practice my own technique to will myself out of it.
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  Speaker 3: And usually as soon as I get that done, you know,
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  Speaker 3: I just go back and sleep on my side properly
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  Speaker 3: or whatever, and then and then I haven't had any
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  Speaker 3: opportunity for these interlopers to return, so.
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  Speaker 1: They haven't been back. That's a good thing. But you've
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  Speaker 1: had two experiences, right.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, one I saw them, and then another one I
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  Speaker 3: just felt presence like presenteeism, and then that pretty much
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  Speaker 3: just summed it up. But it was, you know, pretty
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  Speaker 3: profound for me that, you know, it's a way for
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  Speaker 3: me to to sort of relate to other people's encounters
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  Speaker 3: with what they call the awe factor or the oz factor,
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  Speaker 3: you know. And and when you're when these things happened,
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  Speaker 3: like a lot of us, we just get into the experience,
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  Speaker 3: you know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, when I when I had one of my
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  Speaker 1: experiences where I woke up with a hooded figure standing
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  Speaker 1: by my bed who looked like the Grim Reaper, I
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  Speaker 1: fell asleep. I went back to sleep when I dreamed
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  Speaker 1: speaking of the Oz factor, I fell asleep, and I
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  Speaker 1: dreamt that I was in the Wizard of Oz and
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  Speaker 1: I was actually dealing with some of the I was
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  Speaker 1: hanging out with the Munchkins, okay, and so it was.
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  Speaker 1: It was it was a strange experience for me because
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  Speaker 1: I was thinking, man, that was a really weird experience,
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  Speaker 1: and I was trying to decide, like, did I really
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  Speaker 1: experience that or was that a dream? All of it
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  Speaker 1: was all of it just to dream. But you you
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  Speaker 1: never actually really went back to sleep, so you knew
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  Speaker 1: that wasn't a dream, uh you. I find it interesting
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: that they were wearing strange clothes, like the clothing was
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: like too small for their bodies and it was frump looking.
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: I've got to I've actually worked up an illustration if
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: you want to see, sure, let me go ahead and
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: bring it up.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: Okay, I will, Yeah, well, sort screen. I've seen your
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: cartoon that says that most people's sleep demons look like
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: shadowy figures, but then your sleep demons look like those
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: two guys, and so it's kind of it's actually kind
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: of funny. It's actually kind of funny. But you call
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: them do you call these sleep demons?
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: I refer to them as SPDs, sleep prousies demons. They
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: these guys. I'm torn between either quantum rednecks or cosmic
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: white trash, because that's what they appeared to be for me.
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: And it's it's totally comical and I get it and
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: I can laugh at it now, but in the moment,
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: I just felt this overwhelming sense of terror, but I
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: felt like the terror was artificially pumped into my veins,
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: so to speak, in addition to the weight that was
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: keeping me complacent, so that that way then the initial
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: experience could then happen. And apparently these entities they were
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: searching for something. I don't know what exactly they were
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: searching for, but they were very clearly looking for something.
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: And I don't know, some people suspect that maybe they
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: were simply farming the fear element out of me, And
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: if that's the case, then I guess they had their fill,
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: you know, And then once I was once the influence
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: was starting to wear off, they then decided, well, let's
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: get out of here. We filled up our tanks, let's go.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: Chris. I have to say, this is the first time
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: I've ever seen an illustration or heard anyone say that
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: what they encountered while they were in a sleep paralysis
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: look like the hat, because usually it's so it's it's
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: kind of scary and like to my next door neighbors
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: or something.
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: You know, I mean, I get it. One had a
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: sort of, you know, rather vacant expression on his face,
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: and the other one had like a rather stern, you know,
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: sort of mean mug experience expression on his face as well.
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: And everybody else they have, like the hat Man, the
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: shadow people, or some other form of demonic presence, and
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: I simply did not have that. And you know, I,
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: on one hand, you know, I sort of felt kind
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: of I don't know, I don't think I should feel
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: short changed, because from what I've heard of the other experiences,
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: all the other guys are really scary, but these guys,
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: for me, they're sort of scary in their own right.
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: And maybe that was simply the whatever the interlopers are,
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: they they sort of do this this thing of of
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: I don't I don't know what to call it, where
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: they they can wrap themselves up in either the popular
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: culture of what they're supposed to be, sort of like
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: how during back in the fifties and sixties, all the
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: aliens wore you know, silver suits and bubble helmets, and
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: now they're all these icky, gooey grays and and it's it's,
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: you know, I sort of feel like a level of
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: romanticism has been lost into that. But but in the
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: in the sense it's it's this sort of I guess
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: they were sort of like wrapping themselves into what they
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: would figure I would be afraid of, which is, you know,
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: poor white trash and rednecks and stuff like that, you know,
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: because I don't know. I'm always afraid that I'm going
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: to wake up one day and then I'm going to
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: be infected with you know, with with white trash ism,
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: and then I'm going to walk out and I'm going
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: to see a working television on top of my non
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: working television, and I'm like, oh no, I'm a redneck.
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: Now that's my greatest fear.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: Well, I do you know what? They work on? Your
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: darkest sphere sometimes for sure, and Manifest and like Brown
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: Dwarf says, they're working the consciousness. Okay, they are. And
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: I have seen shadow beings. I've said, I've never seen
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: the hat Man, but I've seen shadow people, and they're
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: pretty scary. I don't think it get as much scarier
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: than a shadow person out there. But I don't know
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: what's scarier though, I don't know.
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they're bringing the thing is, it's not just them,
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: but they tend to bring this atmosphere with them. It's
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: sort of like an aura of fear that envelops them
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: and then influences us, and and I think that's sort of.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: What that is.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's almost like monsters ink. Okay, monsters eat that
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: movie where they scare the children and they they get
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: all that loosh we call it, you know, it's all
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: that loosh or whatever. Those are your monsters from Monsters
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: InCred there.
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: Absolutely, Yeah, And I can understand that, you know, because
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: because we do whatever it is, I don't know what
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: resource we can provide these other world terlopers. What do
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: we give them that they cannot get in plentiful you
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: know amounts anywhere else. We like to say in our
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: you know sci fi lore, that they come over and
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: they want to suck up all our water or take
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: all of our gold. But the thing is, you can
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: find plentiful water on comets and the cosmos and stuff
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: like that, and you can get gold and like minerals
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: in other places, like other you know, heavenly bodies that
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: provide it plentiful without pesky humans hanging around. So it's
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: like the only thing that's that's in our planet the farm,
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: is us. And who knows what they're sucking up. I mean,
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: maybe they are sucking up the fear. Maybe they get
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: off on that.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. I mean, but but you said they
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: were looking for something. What do you think they were
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: looking for?
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: I don't know, but whatever it is they were looking
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: for in the refuge of my drawers and closet space.
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: So it and the only thing that I keep in
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: there is like you know, you know, pins and notepads
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: and little collectible figures from cereal boxes and stuff like that,
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: so it's like whatever important thing. I don't know. Maybe
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: they were looking for the ultimate Pokemon card. I don't know.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe so maybe. So Okay, Well, you had other
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: experiences too, not just these. You call them the invaders.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: I really think that's a cool term because they're not
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: only invading our dreams, they're invading our houses, okay, and
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: they're reading our consciousness. But you've had other experiences too,
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: and I was I was reading out some of your
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: different experiences. You've had a lot of like ghostly experiences
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: and paranormal stuff. This happened, even poultry geist experiences. So
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: tell me tell me a little bit about some of
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: those experiences.
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there are quite a few. You might want to
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: refresh me on which ones it is, because they kind
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: of get all clattered in my head. I know, I
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: sent you a PDF with them. I have it in
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: front of me at the moment you did well.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: You were talking about in one of the older I
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: think you lived in a haunted apartment at some point,
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: and so I was wondering. I mean, I've lived in
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: haunted houses, haunted apartments myself, and and I know that
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: you have. You've heard your mother's voice several times.
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, those are Those are two separate things. I'll
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: touch on both of those. The first one was sort
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: of growing up in my teen years. I grew up
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: and I would hear like like voices like not like
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: voices like schizophrenia or anything of that makes more of
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: like I would hear a summoning call. That's just the
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: best way I could describe it. Like like when when
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: you as a mother, you need something, so you summon
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: your son to do something for you, whether it's to
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: you know, you need to pick something off the top shelf,
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: or or you need a door is really giving you
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: a lot of trouble and you need your son to
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: give it that woof to pop it open or whatever
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: it is. The it was that it was a summoning call.
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: And I'm usually I'm in the middle. I'm drawing stuff
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: and working on stuff. I'm mostly knowing me at the time,
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: I was probably drawing teenage mutant ninja turtles, you know.
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: So so I get up and then I go to
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: my mom and she's in the living room and I'm
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: like what She's like, I didn't call you, and and
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: any any time in my household when anything paranormal happened,
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: my mother would write it off as that's your angels
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: talking to you type of thing. She would always use
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: the angels to cover it up. And then one time
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: my mother was in the backyard, she was gardening, and
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: we have those sliding door, those those sliding doors that
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: go into the back. When you open her up, they
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: make this bunch of noise, you know, and it's rather
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: obnockedous how much noise they make, so you got to
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: like keep spraying with WD forty. But the point is
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: is that I hear the summoning call and then I
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: get up and I can't find her. So then I
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: open up the sliding glass door and then I you know,
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: she didn't summon me, so I'm like, okay, whatever, and
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: then I shut the door and then it isn't until
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: years later that I realized, wait a minute, how would
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: she have you know, if she was playing a trick
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: on me, how would she have done it? Because there
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: was no means for her to hope to go into
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: the house. Definitely not through the door in any ways,
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: because if she had opened it, I would have heard
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: the loud the loud screech, you know, the metal, But
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: I never heard that. So there was really no means
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: that I can gather that she was able to pull
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: off the summoning call that for me to hear it,
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: you know, reasonably. So that's sort of one of those things.
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: It's like, you know, like you know, what the what
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: the heck just happened type of thing, And I've always
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: been dumbfounded by that, and I don't know what to
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: make of it. I think, being that I was a
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: young teenager at the time, there's this phenomenon referred to
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: as poultrygeist agent where a lot of the poultry geist
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: activities it's often centered around a young person going through
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: puberty and stuff like that. So maybe I had a
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: mild case of of poultrygeist agentism. I don't know, and
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: it only manifested itself in summoning calls because since then,
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: as far as I know, I've never seen ghosts or
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: anything of that nature. And when and then as far
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: as the haunted apartment stuff, well that's when I did
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: see a ghost. It was sort of, I as you
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: move into a new space, you sort of feel like
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: it doesn't feel home exactly in the first few months.
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: And as I was slowly, you know, you know, coming
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: into it, I would I would feel this presence, you know,
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: walk up and down the hall. And then when I would,
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: I would catch a glimpse out of the corner of
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: my eye and it was like a young like a
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: young female and address with her hair like all out,
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: like snakes and stuff like this, you know, just all
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: over the place. And it was this sort of shadow
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: and I sort of would catch glimpses of vat going
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: back and forth. But it really didn't bother me all
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: that much because you know, there was really nothing for it.
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: Would just walk up and down the hall and that's it.
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: And then I think this is when I eventually scared
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: it off. Officially, I was talking about it on Facebook,
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: you know, click at a clack and I someone was
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: talking about ghosts and I'm like, oh, yeah, I have
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: a ghost in my hallway. And then when as soon
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: as I clicked enter and had the post, I suddenly
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: felt this ethereal weight lift up off my shoulders and
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: I was like, wait a minute, whatever presenteeism was now gone.
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: And then I'm like like, oh crap, the ghost is gone.
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: And then and then the reply was like you know
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: you have a ghost in your house her you know,
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: type of joke. And then I'm like like, you know,
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: clickly clack a hole. You scared her off? How dare you?
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: You idiot? You know? And now, of course i'monishing the
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: person for scaring off my ghost, even though I probably
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: did it by acknowledging it. But the point is is
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: that it was a Facebook post that scared off this ghost.
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: As far as I will gather.
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: Well, most people are not big fans of having a
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: ghost in their house, okay, and so I'm not either.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: I try to banish them all the way. I've lived
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: in too many hundred houses, seeing too many ghosts, and
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: I put a bubble of protection around my environment every
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: time I'm about to go to bed, and all day
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: every day, I'm trying to keep the ghost away for sure,
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: And I'm just out there chase. I keep the ghost away,
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: but I go chase Bigfoot and dog men in the woods. Okay,
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: I try to keep it all outdoors. But Danielle has
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: an interesting point here, says herd on the art Belt
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: that sleeping on your side helps you to not have
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: sleep paralysis. It usually happens when you sleep face up.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: That that's the cause for me, okay, And so that's
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: a good that's a good point. If you I remember
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: being on my back when I had sleep paralysis and
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: I woke up to ET's in my bedroom. Okay, I
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: was on my back. I actually drew a picture of it,
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: and I'm on my back, So that would that would
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: make total sense. So if you if you can make
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: a conscientious decision to sleep on your side, even when
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: you're sleeping you lay on your back, it's usually when
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: you're on your back. So just take note of that, everybody, okay,
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: is when you're on your back.
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, So any anything else?
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I actually was thinking about let's let's talk
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: about some of these spiders that you wanted to talk about.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: He's a big spiders, because we talk about these large
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: spiders like group in Antarctica okay, and these things It's
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: come up quite a few times on my shows, uh,
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: giant spiders and spider animal animal hybrids as well. So yeah,
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: let's get into that.
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah. The the thing when it comes to like spiders
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: of that nature and stuff, well, what I often this
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: is probably like the only time that I've experienced like
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: like what do you call it, uh, trauma trigger trauma
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: trigger was when I was working on the compendium for
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: our Keith Andrews's book. He has a compendium coming up,
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: and he's doing an illustrative addition, and of course I
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: was able to get myself in there as as one
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: of the as one of the illustrators for his book.
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: And I was working and I did like sixty to
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: seventy illustrations for his first volume, and one of the
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: creatures were these creatures called the Thorians, which are spider
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: human hybrids. And I was like, you know, and of
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: course I have to draw these things, and I have
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: to like look up real world sources and stuff like this,
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: and I suffer from aractophobia, so working on this was
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: really difficult for me. I mean, I know, nowadays we
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: have like cute spiders and stuff like this, those cute,
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: little jumpy, fuzzy ones. But you know at the time
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: that that's not quite what I was working on. And
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: and when I hear these stories about the you know,
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: Antarctic base that they have like a sort of segment
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: segmented off where these like five legged you know, arachnefode
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: iracneid type creatures tend to dwell and and and there's
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: like people say that there's like a photo of one
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: off in the distance, and and there's like a lot
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: of conjecture about, you know, in these underground bases that
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: some people keep them farming, and and of course they
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: feed them little kids. Even though they have the capacity
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: to farm cattle and just you know, throw a cow
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: in there. For some reason, they decide to go above
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: and beyond like oh, let's feed them some kids, you know,
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: you know, like like let my car job infinitely harder.
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: And and I don't don't know, there's probably a good
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: reason for that. But the point is is that that
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: these these the form of these creatures, it's like it's
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: so intriguing and and and you know, and and just
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: you know amazing. I got like, like, uh, the thing
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: in the screen share right now, I got one logged
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: up if you want to pop it up. Yeah, there
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: we go. This is the initial sketch. It's not the final,
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: but it's one of the initial sketches that I was
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: working on for Ourci's book. And it's sort of where
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: it has to sort of segmented, you know, segmented you know, body,
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: and it's four arms or sort of like the flangies
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: that the spiders would have, and the other legs of
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: course connected to the Thorax and he refers to them,
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: I believe as Thorians. And this was you know, this
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: was one that was like a really difficult for me
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: to do because then I start, you know, you know,
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: just getting chills up my spine because of the because
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: I'm just so so definitely afraid of spiders.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: Oh well, Chris, I can tell you on the show.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: I had one person in particular, my good friend Darryl James.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: He was part it's been part of the secret Space program,
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: and you know, I like, I like really bringing people
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: on who have had decent count on these underground, deep
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: underground military basis. And when I first met him, he said,
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: you know, Jessica, I want to tell you about some
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: of my encounters and they involve a giant animal human
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: spider named Max, and he said that he had to
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: deal with Max down in these underground bases, U saying
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: that they did. They did feed humans to the spider
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: human hybrid and Max had legs like a spider and
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: a torso like a man, and he had a human
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: head that was like four eyes on each side of
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: his head went up his head much much like.
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: In fantasy. In D and D and stuff, they refer
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: to them as driders.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: But the the.
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: As far as that, yeah, I remember catching that episode,
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: and that's what I felt so intrigued by. You know,
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: I definitely had to talk to you about that because
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: I definitely did I know that episode. I'm talking and
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: and if I can, ever, you know, talk to to
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: that person, I would definitely like to talk to them
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: and get their story because it's like the fighting giant
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: spider like entities has sort of been uh uh, it's
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: sort of been very common, you know, everyone, even the
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: Secret Space Program people that are supposed to be like
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: a race of spiders on Mars or something like that.
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: That people are constantly brought into the sort of arena
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: like combat and they do like research and development, you know,
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: you know, training at least that's what the story is,
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: and I don't know what the what the what the
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: truth is of that. I definitely find it intriguing, you know,
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: I definitely would like to hear more about it. And
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: I think it's totally cool. I you know, because you
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: look at look at movies like what is it Starship
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: Troopers and they fight these you know, monster Iraqnid type
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: creatures and stuff like this, and and and it's sort
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: of like, you know it, it's sort of a fun
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: thing to look into, and I'm definitely heavily entertained by it.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Well, the spider human hybrids are a They're
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: nightmare for people who have encountered them. And you know,
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: we've even heard I've heard stories out of Antarctica where
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: they have sent Special Forces troops down there to fight
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: cryptids when they're usually giant spiders like that. Okay, just
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: huge spiders. I hope I don't come across any Okay,
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: there's something that I've seen in your artwork where you
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: actually talk about you've drawn bigfoot spider crawling before, and
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: I thought that was really cool. And you have your
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: own interpretation on what you think bigfoot looks like in
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: a spider crawl. But I've seen videos of what I
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: think are bigfoots doing spider crawls and it looks un natural.
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I've heard it resembling mostly like I would say,
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: like a cuttlefish, where it's sort of this sort of
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: moving type of thing of this nature. But for comic effect,
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: let me bring that up. For a comic effect, I
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: simply brought up that the all right, here we go.
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: I simply brought up that if the spider were to
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: spider crawl, how would I depict it? And I, of
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: course I depicted like how a spider would spider crawl,
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: which is, you know, click and a clack, gets scuttles about,
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: and in that I put the he illustrated the bigfoot
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: in that position with his arms and egg his arms
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: and legs up like like we would see spider legs,
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: you know, you know, and and as if he were
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: to scuttle across and how you know, terrifying that would be?
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: That would it is? There's actually a video that you
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: can find and there's a dog there's it looks like
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: a bigfoot spider crawling through the street. And there are
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: dogs that are barking at it, and it's really hard
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: to understand what you're looking at until you make the realization.
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: And if you're if you're in the note about Bigfoot
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: and the spider cross, it's terrifying. Actually, it's quite terrifying.
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: But that's a cool illustration. I love how you bring
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: a lot of humor into what you're doing here. That's
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: how I convey the dark stuff that we talk about
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: here and all the scary things that I encounter out
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: in the woods and in the field. It's with humor. Okay,
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: it's with humor because it's almost like it's wild that
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: this stuff even exists. Okay, it really is. And so
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: that's why I can appreciate all your artwork with that.
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: And with that, let's talk about a dog man. You
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: have some fantastic dog man well, and you're you're really
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: mentioned the dog man phenomenon. Now, have you ever had
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: an encounter with a dog man?
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: No, not that, not that I could recall. I don't.
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: I don't believe I ever have. But the thing is,
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: when it comes to the dog man phenomena, the Okay,
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: I put something in there for the presentation. There we go.
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: Let me just put up a sort of dog men
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: like entity. Now this one, this is sort of in
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: the Archie's Book of a dog man like entity. It's
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: not exactly per se a dog man as we know it,
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: but it's very dog man ish. And there are some
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: species of creatures that we've heard stories of where these
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: sort of dog man like creatures are are aliens. And
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: we've even heard somewhere there spaceships, and that's really interesting
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: where we have you know, it seems like everybody's on
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: the UFOs now. They we have people with you know,
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: they see Bigfoot, they see aliens, they see relatives of
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: past relatives, ghosts, they see uh, military people or what
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: they assume our military people in uniform. And and it's
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: just the thing is is that when it comes to
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: the dog man stuff, as far as what we know
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: of dog man, it's just our initial encounters with them,
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: and we always experience them as these aggressive, you know,
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: eleven out of ten, you know, you know, aggressive monsters
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: that are just you know, they you know, we're totally
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: invading their space in there, ticked off, and they're madder
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: than mad. And to them, they either see us only
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: as either prey or inconveniences and I have to ask
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: the question, like what happens like a thousand years from now,
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: let's say we actually domesticate dog man, Like, what what
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: is that gonna look like? Are we gonna are we
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: gonna like breed them, like do selective breeding like we
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: do with our dogs now, or is there gonna be
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: a potential for like a Chihuahua man or a pug
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: man in the years to come? I mean, are you
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: gonna like get like a pizza delivery from a pug
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: man and then he's gonna give you your pizza and
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: then as soon as you start eating it, he just
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: starts staring at you with the big eyes, you know,
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: like he wants a slice, and then tell him no.
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: You have to tell him no, because that's that's poisoned
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: for you.
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: No, I don't.
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: I don't think so. I do want a dog man
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: security team though, for sure, like that would be something
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: fun to have, and you know, we talk about it,
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: we joke about it here. But I've had people that
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: have come on the show that are real whistleblowers that
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: say that this really does occur, that there are dog
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: man breading programs and they are trained to be used
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: during time and things like that.
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: So yeah, I've heard one of the stories floating around
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: of like I think it was a Middle East during
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: one of the Metal East incursions that that there was
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: like a story of soldiers looking over a hill and
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: then seeing a team of two dog mens in armor,
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: which I find intriguing taking out whatever their enemy combatants are.
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: And then you know, as soon as they get a whiff,
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: they pop into a portal and just ski out off.
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: And I find that rather, you know, intriguing. I definitely
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: want to learn more about that. And I know that
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: there's so much out there about the type of stuff,
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: and and then that leads into like the greater stuff
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: of you know, what happens in all these war torn
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: areas that we just don't know about, like the the
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: Giant of Kandahar and all that stuff with this, and
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: it's just it's it's a huge smogasborg of of interesting stuff,
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: and and it's always somewhere off that that is like
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: either extremely hostile for for us to investigate and talk about,
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: especially with stuff like the the gin of the Eastern
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: cultures and stuff of that nature and and and other
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: type of creatures, you know, and it's rather intriguing you.
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: And of course with the Japanese they have the yokai,
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: and of course even them, they have a a spider
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: woman that is very prominent in their culture well that
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: they make cartoons and fun stuff about it.
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: Oh wow, Well that's it seems to line up with
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: a lot of what I hear. All the different cultures
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: have very so much have some of the similar cryptids
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: and the same stories as we have here in the
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: United States. We hear about a dog man all over
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: the world. I've had Jodie Cook from the North American
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: dog Man Project on my show before and he's taken
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: reports of He's taking report some cool difficulties here. He's
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: to get some reports of dog men being steen coming
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: out of UFOs before and also be used in wars
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: as well, especially in the Little Peast.
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I definitely want to look into that and work
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: on that and definitely do an illustration based on this,
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: but I need to get some research and figure it
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: out before I pursue that anymore. So, so, I definitely
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: have to reach out to all these people, and it's
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: very difficult at times because you know, so many of
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: these people have so much going on, and you know,
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: and I'm just sitting at the bottom of their inbox,
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: just waiting for them to get get around to it.
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: So I'm definitely on the lookout for that. If anyone
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: knows anything more about that, you know, bb SH, let
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: me know. I'm open to hearing people out. You know.
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: It's it's it's something that I definitely find rather intriguing
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: and I just cannot get enough of it.
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: Awesome. Well yeah, well, it's really cool that you you
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: actually have taken people's encounters from investigations and you give
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: it life in another way by making it into artwork. Okay,
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: Like I was seeing one of your pictures of it
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: looks like somebody had woken up at night and there
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: was an alien some kind of et cleaning into the
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: walls and somebody in the corner of somebody's room. And
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: that was from a sketch from an investigation that somebody did,
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: and you were able to make it into like it
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: looks like a comic book or something like the cartoon.
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: Like it gives an interesting life, is all I'm saying.
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: Super good, Sure, sure, I got that illustration in the
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: in the bottom, so we'll go ahead and pop it
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: up and talk about it. Oh yeah, this came from
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: an investigator sketch on the right. As the investigator sketch
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: she was, his mother had detailed him a story of
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: seeing a green, gray like man propped up in the
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: corner of one of the hallways. He was just sprawled
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: up there like Spider Man. That's how she described it.
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: And then when she, you know, seal saw that, she
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: of course had an initial reaction was of course as
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: a jump scare. I've seen of that. And then when
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: she she you know, she reacted, it blinked out of existence.
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: Now she had described it initially as sort of a
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: gray man. He was, you know, stuck in the corner
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: like Spider Man. He had one hand on the roof,
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: one on you know, the the other opposing wall, and
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: then his feet were sprawled up, you know, spread out
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: as well. He was just you know, stuck up there
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: doing whatever. And he had and this was interesting. He
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: was surrounded by sparkles like like if you ever like
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: we're playing football and you got hit, you see ribbons,
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: you see ribbons of light. That's how I could best
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: describe them as sort of like like silver sparkles and
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: stuff like like seeing stars. If you ever get knocked
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: out or something of that nature. That's what she had
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: seen surrounding this entity. So he very well, you know,
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: I don't know what to make of it either. He
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: was probably in some sort of interdimensional transit of something
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: of that nature and then getting caught, you know, before
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: he finally blipped out for good. And it's just, you know,
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: it's sort of like one of the mysteries that we
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: see because like something like that similarly happened to my
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: mother where she was walking down the hallway one time,
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: and this was when we were little kids, when we
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: were like me and my siblings were like, you know,
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: four years old and stuff of that nature, where we
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: were in our bedrooms and we were sleeping, and then
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: she walked down the hallway and she saw what looked
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: like a being of light, and from the knees down
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: it faded out, but the rest of it up was
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: was sort of like you know, and it was like
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: a being enveloped in light, like it was made of light,
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: and it was looking into our bedroom, into the kid's bedroom.
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: And then when my mom you know again jump scared,
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: it blinked out of existence. So so there's something where
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: we're sort of like in this like non assuming you know,
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: uh state, I guess it's when when we sleep. I
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: guess we're like, you know, doing something. We're like, you know,
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: floating through dimensions or whatever. And when we happened, we
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: just some of us just by pure chance, just happened
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: to happen on these you know, these these inter dimensional
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: as we can best describe that, we find a better word,
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: inter dimensional interlopers that they just happened to be, you know,
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: skidaddling through you know, just you know, going through the
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: visages of our reality. And it's rather interesting and I
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: don't know what to make of it. All I can
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: do is just like yourself, just hear about it, take
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: it down, and like, okay, you know, just put it
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: in the catalog for right now.
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Chris, when I was, when I was about
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to say how old I was a
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: few years ago, I was. I woke up at night
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: and I had those exact same sparkles in the corner
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: of my bedroom. Now I always associated that. Now, now
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: that I've been a remote viewer for a while, I
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: think that was me remote viewing myself at night. There
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: could have very well been an entity there, but I
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: figured it was me. Yeah, I think that it was
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: me remote viewing myself. But it was sparkly light, exactly
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: like what you have put on this artwork here.
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, And in that instance, relating back to my
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: others encounter, she very well could have been remote viewing
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: herself or or perhaps it was a sliver in time
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: where she was looking in on, you know, on her kids.
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: You know, you know, I what what do we make
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: of it? You know, I mean, I like, romantically, I
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: like to think that's what it was, that that she
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: was catching a sliver of herself in angelic form, just
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: speaking on just checking in on the kids, and and
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: and you know that that, you know, gives me comfort.
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: But who knows? Who knows?
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: Now? Your your your mom passed away when you were young.
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: So your mom us she passed when I in like
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: maybe like six or seven years ago. She she passed
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: pretty much, I would have to say, twenty fifteen.
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry to hear that.
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: Well, it was, oh yeah, she she was definitely. She
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: would like we would go and she would tell me
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: ghost stories and stuff like this. And and I remember
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: one time when when at the family gathering and we
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: would all get together. You know, all the all the
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: women would get into the kitchen and they start telling
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: ghost stories. And this was like in the middle of
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: the night, and they were talking about witches and stuff
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: like this, and then all of a sudden, out of nowhere,
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: inside one of the closets, a bunch of pans, pots
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: and pants just fell down and scared the Bejesus out
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: of everybody. And it's just I mean, what do you
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: do with that?
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you you have mentioned the things that the
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: thing that you sent me over. You mentioned that you
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: had heard your mom's your mom calling you, and you
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: heard your name and your mom's voice. That was after
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: your mom had passed over already.
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: Right, Well, that was that was That was when I
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: was a child. So she was still when I was
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: fifteen years old, and she was she was still alive
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: and active and stuff of that nature. The stuff with
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: with like as far as as you know, as as
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: anything like recently that I've had interactions with my mother,
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: like recently, they were they were mostly in dreams. And
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: this is weird because we all have like dream visitations,
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: Like a lot of people talk about dream visitations. The
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: thing is with me, however, when my mother visits me
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: in my dreams. She she sort of integrates with the
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: dream and that has led to many, you know, rather
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: questionable dreams. So so, one time I had this dream
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: that I was at a at a at a toga party.
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: Like I don't know why I would be there or
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: what the context was, but that's where I was. I
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: was wearing this this toga and everybody was wearing this toga.
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: Was a frat party. Everybody's young drinking, and in the background,
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: my mother is is at you know, one of those
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: kiddy sized pools. She's filling it with margarita mixed for
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: some reason. And and and it's just a party, and
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: she's and she's just you know, back there in a
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: lawn chair hanging out as I'm doing all this going
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: about in the context of the dream, and and I
• 55:06
  Speaker 3: wake up and I feel really good about it. And
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: it's just a it's just she's just passing through, saying
• 55:11
  Speaker 3: hello or whatever it is. And then there was one
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: time where I actually did have you know, direct interaction
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: with her, was where I had this stream and again
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: and this one I was. The context of the dream
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: was I was in a hotel and there was a
• 55:25
  Speaker 3: convention going so of course it's crowded and busy, and
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: everybody's you know that you have all these vendor tables
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: and artists and tables. And then I woke up to
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: one of them, and at one of the vendor tables
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: is my mother and she's working on crafts, arts and crafts,
• 55:38
  Speaker 3: because she that's what she does. She's an artisan, so
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: she's working on the crass. And then and then I realized, oh,
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: that's my mom, and then this rush of emotion just
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: foors over me, you know, because I hadn't seen her
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: in years, and I missed her so much. So I
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: just I walk up to her the side of a chair,
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: I get on my knees and I just wrap my
• 55:59
  Speaker 3: arms around her and I just hold her and I
• 56:01
  Speaker 3: just start crying wildly. I just start all this emotion
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: just pours out of me, and you know, and she
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: just you know, she keeps working on her craft and
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: she'll just pat me on the head, you know, every
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: now that you just to acknowledge that she knows that
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: I'm there. And as that is happening, it's it's it's
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: sort of like this sort of uh like like you know,
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: I'm working these emotions out and and it's it's just
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: all coming out of me, and it's it's fantastic and
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: and it's just you know, because not everyone I understand
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: gets to have that. But I consider myself very blessed
• 56:39
  Speaker 3: that I have, even if it's just the subconscious my
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: my my subconscious ironing out details, you know, who knows.
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: But whatever it is, as I take it as it comes,
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: and I have my fun with it.
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I loved going to sleep and and I
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: love dreaming because I am constantly having conversations with people.
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: I'm actually working out problems, even with people that don't
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: like me in this three D and I don't like
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: them either, okay, So what we worked things out in
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: the astral and so it's just like a beautiful thing.
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: It's like, uh, we are more than this physical body. Okay,
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: we are. And so that's just this is the way
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: it is.
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: And there's there's more going on in the in the ethers,
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: and there is even going down on down here where
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: we live. And so it's very comforting to go to
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: sleep and be able to communicate with the people who
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: have passed away already. Uh, and they're waiting for us
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: on the other side. And it's beautiful. And also what's
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: beautiful is Blanche LeBlanc. Thank you for that supersticker. You're beautiful.
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: Thank you for them. I appreciate it. But but that's
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: that's a great thing. And yeah, and I've even I've
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: been visited by my my loved ones that have passed away,
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: like my brother. I've actually seen him show up in
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: in my bedroom once again, it's always in the bedroom,
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: isn't it. But uh, right after he passed away. So wow,
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: very very very cool conversation tonight for sure that we've had.
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: Now I wanted to also talk about and no, we're
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: going to talk about giants tonight too before we went
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: and and I've been doing a lot of research on giants.
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: We talk about giants a lot of remote view some giants,
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: including the giant of Kandahar that.
• 58:20
  Speaker 3: You mentioned before we do before we do, can I
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: can I ask? Can I ask you about your big
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: foot hunting because I think you're going to go bigfoot hunting?
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: Why why would you go bigfoot hunting? They'll see you
• 58:33
  Speaker 3: coming your eye level with them.
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: Okay, so you yes, I am much taller in person,
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: and people think I know I get that when people
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: meet me for the first time. I'm much taller than
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: people imagine. Okay, I'm not six people hill, What do
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: you think you're doing.
• 58:55
  Speaker 3: They're going to see you coming, They're going to be oh,
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: there she is, let's go.
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: You've been waiting to say, I know you have so silly, Yes,
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: I I do. They're way bigger than me. Usually the
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: bigfoots are way bigger. So yeah. You know what's interesting too,
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: is like a lot of the people in this field
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: that do Bigfoot research, they're all very tall, especially the men.
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: Most of the men on my team, not all of them, okay,
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: but a lot of them are well over six three
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: six five, six six or even taller. Tony Green's been
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: on our show. He's like six six or six seven,
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: So tall guys. Trey Hudson is tall, okay, he's on
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: my team and the head of my other's team. They're
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: all super tall, and it's just something when Bigfoot conferences,
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: everybody's tall.
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah. One of the things that I find interesting is
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: the wooden knocks, and some people are starting to speculate
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: that maybe they're not actually knocking on wood, that that's
• 59:54
  Speaker 3: actually them, you know, making poppy noises with their mouths
• 59:57
  Speaker 3: or or lips smacking, and I know that with the
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 3: WU side, there's sort of a speculation that that could
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: be I'm guessing dimensional popping, that that's actually the pop
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 3: of the dimensions as they're coming in and out of it,
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: which I I don't know what to make of that.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 3: I what, what do you want Bigfoot to be? If
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: you were in charge of the ultimate solution? What if
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: Bigfoot was discovered and you were right, what would you
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: want Bigfoot to be? That is my question.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: I mean I don't I don't want Bigfoot to be anything.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm interested in discovering what they are for sure,
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: But what I think they are is a flesh and
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: bone type of the creature. They are a flesh and
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: bones creature, but they're able to access Earth natural portals
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: and things like that. I think they can hop between
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: dimensions somehow, just like we can't. I mean, we're having
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: a conversation tonight about potentially being awake in the ethers,
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: okay like in our the astul realm, and being fully
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: aware of ourselves in that astral Now I do remote viewing.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: I've been trained to get into the different sleep states
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: and theta and being awake and being in between being
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: awake and being asleep, and and so that's that's like
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: having one foot in this foot in the next basically.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: And I've been told this I was a little kid,
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: that I've walked between two worlds. I live. I live
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: between two worlds constantly because I'm in between this world
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: and that. And that's how bigfoots are too. That's why
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: that's why I get on big Foot. So I was
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: so good, I guess, all right, because we're supernatural too,
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: you know, we're not when people say bigfoots are supernatural,
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: I mean, so we're humans. Okay, some of us can
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: access it and we get into it more.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I would love it if Bigfoot, just if Bigfoot
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 3: just turned out to be a big dumb ape, that
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 3: would tickle me pink so much. If it's just you know,
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 3: it's it's it's it's just it's just we catch him
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 3: and he's just sitting there on his log picking his nose,
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 3: you know. You know, we get close to the camera
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 3: and he just flicks a bugger at it or something.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 3: You know, he's just like absolutely dumb, like super super
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 3: duper dumb. And the only reason that that we that
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 3: we that we can't catch him is because we're we're
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 3: looking too high. We're thinking, oh, they're so smart, and
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 3: we're we're looking for the sort of smart thing. But
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 3: then because he's super dumb, he's able to evade us,
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 3: you know, and and and you know, when we're looking
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 3: one way, he's just sitting there. You just stand still,
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 3: and we just go past him, and and all that stuff.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 3: But that that's really what I want. But of course
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 3: that the the the question that I have is that
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 3: we tend to assign this this sort of uh super
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 3: power to big as if he doesn't probably doesn't have
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 3: enough superpowers already just by being a gigantick whatever he is.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 3: Is that we I think we're sort of doing ourselves
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 3: a disservice by by assigning this level that that because
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 3: we can't catch him or because he eludes us, he
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 3: must be super smart. And I really don't know that
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 3: that's how intelligence works in a way, that that that
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 3: you can no matter how smart you are, that you
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 3: can't evade you know, natural selection of that nature. Like
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 3: there was a scene in the movie RoboCop where the
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 3: guy's filling up his gas and and and there's like
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 3: a teller behind you know, glass and he's working on
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 3: his calculus homework. And then the guy says, you know,
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 3: you know, it's like, what are you working on? He
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 3: shows him and it's advanced calculus. He says, oh, you're
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 3: pretty smart. Do you think you can out smart a bullet?
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 3: And then he taunts him, and then and then RoboCop
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 3: comes and kicks his ass and all that stuff. But
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 3: the point is is that I don't think. I don't
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 3: believe that Bigfoot can out smart a bullet. And eventually,
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 3: you know, there we should have, you know, seen something
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 3: on be it a trail cam or something, because we
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 3: have seen, you know, suspect stuff on weather cams, on
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 3: traffic camps. We've seen stuff like that that is very
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 3: suspect that we hypothesize very well could be bigfoot. On
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 3: the other hand, I think given our encroachment onto woodland territories,
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 3: one should have at this point should have been hit
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 3: by a car or something, or or you know, a
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 3: tree could have fell on him or whatever. That this
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 3: elusive never finding a body within you know, eighty so
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 3: years of looking, I just have a hard time buying that.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 3: So so as far as it being a natural creature.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 3: You know, I'm not saying that. I kind of am
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 3: saying that it's very difficult for that to be a thing.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 3: So I can understand people's need to assign this sort
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 3: of superpower, but I sort of feel like in a
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 3: way it's sort of a bit of a CrOx if
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 3: we're being honest here, that it's sort of a crutch
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 3: in a in a way that that I would argue,
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 3: and I know that that that's not what A like
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 3: a lot of researchers, you know, they're they're they're very
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 3: adam and I understand a lot of people have had
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 3: their face to face experiences which I acknowledge strange stuff
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 3: happens all the time. You and me have been swapping
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 3: stories of strangeness happening. So I don't know, I'm not
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 3: going to dismiss that that, you know, mysterious stuff doesn't happen,
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 3: But as far as pinpointing it to this specific phenomenon,
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 3: I find over the years that at this time we
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 3: should have come across something, and it's it's very difficult
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 3: for me to to really to deal with that. I
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 3: don't know, I don't know what what what is? What
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 3: is your impression?
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, my experience is we have come across
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: a lot of stuff. We do. There have been bodies, okay,
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: there have been bodies. There have been there's lots of videos,
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: there's pictures, there's I mean, I've had I've had encounters myself.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: I'm a bigfoot pod researcher. I know people who have
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: shot bigfoot, Okay. And these stories go way back, even
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: in the nineteen twenties. We had the attack at Epe Canyon.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: We also had the Albert Osman incident where he was
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: kidnapped by a Sasquatch. Yeah, they would, you know, they
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: put their reputations on the line and really were ridiculed
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: until the days that they the day they died, every
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: one of them. Over all of this, and so there's
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: a lot of evidence that gets suppressed, I guess, and
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: a lot of people who have the evidence don't come
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: forward because they get made fun off. And I guess,
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: and you don't want to be that person who shot
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: a bigfoot, you know what I mean.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 3: I've heard of I think it was on Timothy Renner's
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 3: show where he gets accounts of the big Footmen in Black,
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 3: where it's the men in Black, but they're the Bigfoot Division.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 3: And it's a short, squat little man with glasses on
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 3: and a big, burly you know, uh, redheaded giant of
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 3: a man with with the overalls and the plaid shirt.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 3: You know that they that these two guys are running
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 3: around suppressing accounts and evidence. And I hear that. I
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 3: I understand that, but I don't know. I don't know
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 3: as as quick and as nimble as those individuals would be,
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 3: I don't know that their net, no matter how extensive
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 3: it is, could catch everything. So I I do have
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 3: to have to wonder about that. I don't know. It's
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 3: it's just it's a thorn in my side. And and
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 3: I understand for like a lot of people, you know,
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 3: it's it's there. They have a work around for it.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 3: But as far as as I go, I the work
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 3: around it just doesn't doesn't. It doesn't leave me. He's satisfied.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 3: So so I sort of, you know, I kind of
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 3: want more, and I'm sort of speculating more on that.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: Well, see the way you're going to get more, and
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: you're gonna learn more, You're gonna see more, you're gonna
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: hear more if by watching podcasts like mine, okay and
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: and a lot of the people that are in the
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: chat today. We've got Hunting the shows in here. We've
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: got Brown Dwarf in here, We've got the Bizarre Unknown.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: We got Eric in here. I just saw him. I
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: mean there's several people. I'm sure there's a lot more.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: There's Cryptoville. Cryptoville is a big one too, Okay, A
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: lot of a lot of these people they are in
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: my chat, good friends of mine.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: They're out there doing the boots on the ground field research.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: They have bigfoots that live on their properties. Uh, they
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: have families. I know Eric from the Bizarre Unknown over here.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: Eric would just put out a live show today where
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: he was collecting evidence on his own property out in
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: Missouri where he has a family of bigfoots living on
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: his property. Okay, because just like Amy said, don't wait
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: for the government to tell you what's real and what's
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: out there, because you're we're never gonna get it. Even
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: if they rated a bigfoot out on a stage and
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: it was like government sanction. I don't think we believe it, Okay.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: I don't know we believe it all because we don't try.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: I don't. I don't trust anyone, Okay. In a lot
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: of ways. This is for entertainment purposes only, okay, But
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: but you know, listening to the boots on the ground
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: field researchers like myself and and other people, and and
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: you know, just watching podcasts and stuff, I guess.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess I kind of get that, and I
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 3: guess I'm being somewhat of a curmudgeon about it, you know.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 3: But but again, it's it's mostly from from just you know,
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 3: exhaustion and what it is that we have to deal
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 3: with on a daily basis when it comes to any
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 3: type of topic. And I guess just with Bigfoot, that's
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 3: just a rather popular thing because Bigfoot is the bit
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 3: the big man on campus. You know, I probably feel
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 3: that the I probably don't feel the same way about
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 3: dog Man, given the nature how it's approached a little
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 3: bit differently, but it is wat in the same vein
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 3: as sort of like how the sash question encounters are,
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 3: and there is a lot of crossover. But you know,
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 3: it's just it's just a fun thing to come back
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 3: and forth, and it's just one of those things that
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 3: I don't know, it just kind of rubs me, rubs
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 3: me the wrong way. But you know, as far as
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 3: people going out there doing the research and having at it,
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 3: I say, yeah, I mean, definitely go for it. I'm
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 3: not going to tell anyone not to do anything, or
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 3: or if anyone has an encounter, I would never say
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 3: that it didn't happen. My question. I'm not questioning them
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 3: or their authenticity. My I'm just suspect of the Bigfoot
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 3: entity itself. That is where my point of conjection is
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 3: is that I believe whatever that is is, you know,
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 3: it's it's it's very disingenuous to begin with. And I
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 3: think that we're we may be we maybe we're dealing
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 3: with something bigger or or you know, bigger, like like
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 3: in a in a bigger scope of what we think
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 3: it is. It's not that I don't trust the the
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 3: the witnesses. I don't trust Bigfoot. He's He's what I'm
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 3: suspect of. And you know, and and if they if
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 3: Bigfoot has a problem with that, he's welcome to tell
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 3: me off.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: And I'm gonna I'm gonna send them all to your house. Okay,
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: how about that. I'm just gonna say, y'all take that
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: up with Chris.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: He's yes, I'll give him your address if you send
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: it to me if you want me to. Just kidding. Yeah, no, Well,
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: you know, some people think that they could be shape
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: shifters and you know, and be interdimensional and things like that,
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: and I think a lot of these cryptids are shape
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: shifters and can be ut girls. In the chat, you
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: and I talk about that a lot about shape shifters.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: We just talked about vampires this past week and had
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: a great discussion on vampires and immortal souls and mortal beings,
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: just like Saint Germaine, New Orleans most infamous vampire we
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: just talked about there and Nicholas Cage. Okay, I love the.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 3: The mythos of the vampire. What is it that I
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 3: think it's today's zombie, was yesterday's vampire? How vampires used
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 3: to be these gangly type of creatures and then through
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 3: the course of the centuries, they've been molded into these
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 3: these amorous type of of of seductive entities, and I
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 3: find that interesting. You know, it's it's pretty cool.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's it's very cool. Yeah. I mean, the
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: jurist to allow on exactly what bigfoot is, okay, but
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: I do know they're flesh and bone or they have blood.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: They're they're real beings. Okay, they're real beings. They do exist,
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: and yes, some of them may shape shit. I think
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: some of them are very smart. Some of them are
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: just looking for food. Okay, they're they're just like me.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: I'm always looking for food.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah. The the thing is is that that, you know,
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 3: I mean, if they're really out there beat boxing, it
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 3: kind of secks that we only catch the ass end
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 3: of the beat box, you know, we don't get to
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 3: hear the whole thing, because that would be some really
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 3: really randy tunes. And I got a mark off on
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 3: my notepad and made fun of Jessica.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: Okay, I'm all right, you get that. I mean, I
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: was gonna get a tall joke. I knew it. I am.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: I am much taller in person, y'all watch out. Okay.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 3: Oh, by the way, the casinos are have you gotten
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 3: the bill yet for them repairing all their door friends
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 3: when you smack the forehead into them, Yeah, I'll get
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 3: you back.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: You're hilariousious. Well let's let's okay, well, let's let's kind
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: of wrap it up a little bit tonight. Let's I
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: was going to ask you what is your You're a
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: big fan of art Bill. What were some of your
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: favorite episodes of art Bell before we go tonight? All right,
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: you're the favorite.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 3: I was intrigued by the Mells whole thing that kept
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 3: me onto the was I was there. I would sometimes,
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 3: you know, there was a time where I had a
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 3: work schedule that favored me listening to art Bell late
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 3: at night, and the Meles whole saga was fantastic. They
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 3: would replay it every now and then and talk about
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 3: it and so much, and I got so intrigued with
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 3: it that I actually this was when I was in college,
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 3: and I was like, you know, maybe twenty four or
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 3: twenty five or whatever that I was a young man,
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 3: and I did like a drawing a very it's very crude,
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 3: but I did the best drund that I could of
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 3: the Mells whole tumor seal and let me see if
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 3: I can bring it up.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: Oh please, I hope you have it. This isn't my favorite.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: I did a remote viewing target of that of the
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: tuber seal and of Mel's hole, and my friend Tanya
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: did it with me, and Barry gave us those targets
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: and it was fascinating.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 3: This was like way back when my digital stuff was
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 3: in its infancy, and that's how I best understood that
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 3: the tumor seal as well as this new I guess
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 3: this would have been the second Meles hole, which had
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 3: a interlocking ring for a cover, which the people at
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 3: the time that I don't think they they had the
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 3: cover for it, but there was very clearly it had
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 3: a device on it to interlock with it to keep
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 3: it covered, and it would shoot dark energy at night
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 3: and what the what the But the story was is
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 3: that they threw a a live sheep down there to
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 3: to see what would happen, see what the effects would be,
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 3: and then when they pulled it back up, it was
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 3: it appeared to have been dead, and then they were
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 3: going to autop to it, and then they found something
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 3: moving under the skin, and then once they pulled away
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 3: the flesh, there appeared to be a tumor. There was
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 3: sentient that was moving around, and it looked it resembled
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 3: mostly a seal, but it had these sort of piercing
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 3: you know, almost more human than human emoting eyes that
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 3: that you know, that pierced through the the all the
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 3: participants there and they sort of felt this sort of
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 3: you know this overwhelming spiritual I guess spiritual uh something,
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 3: or rather just emanating from it, and and it's rather
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 3: a fantastic moving experience for them. And then eventually it,
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 3: you know, slopped around and went back to the hole
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 3: and then just you know, it waved its arm and said,
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 3: you know, yeah, bye bye, you know, and everybody's all
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 3: waving you know, bye bye, and then he just slumped
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 3: back into the hole and was never found again. And
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 3: and and it's just it's I don't know what to again,
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 3: like everything else, with so much in the paranomi, i'd
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 3: have I hate to say, yeah, I don't know what.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 3: I don't know if that was a true story. There's
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 3: been like a lot of back and forth and a
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 3: lot of people are coming up with with you know,
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 3: whether or not it could or it couldn't. And and
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 3: it's just I again, it's intriguing, but I don't know
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 3: what to ultimately make of it. It's it's it's a
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 3: great story. And I had sent this off to the
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 3: show for them to put on their web page, but
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 3: at the time they were transitioning from art Bell, he
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 3: was passing the torch to George Norri, So this sort
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 3: of fell between the cracks. However, I think it was
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 3: cryptid WICKI they picked it up because that's where I
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 3: found it. And and this this drawing I did like
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 3: decades ago, and it was lost to time and thankfully
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 3: to the internet up there it is, you know. Yeah,
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 3: I mean it's it's a fun, good story and I
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 3: guess it was my way is a way for me
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 3: to interpret it. I probably should redo it, you know,
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 3: like with the skills that I have now, you know,
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 3: the experience that I have now, and take another whack
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 3: at it, you know, just just to do it. But
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 3: it's those old timey art bell type of stories that
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 3: you know, we would stay up listening to. I remember,
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 3: as as a youth, I had my you know, I
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 3: had my you know, computer and it was hooked up
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 3: to what passed for the Internet at that time, which
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 3: was AOL discs and stuff of that nature, where you
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 3: had to do it by the hour and you had
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 3: to go into your phone line and you had to
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 3: have like an app or something so that way, you know,
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 3: when people call the line, it goes like an answering
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 3: machine and stuff like that, so that way you don't
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 3: you know when to get off. But but and and
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 3: it's a sort of archic Internet stuff and it's that
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 3: sort of where this this this stuff you know, lived
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 3: and came from an and and it was it was
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 3: I don't know, it felt great to you know, be
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 3: a part of that in a way that even back
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 3: then because this image, yeah, I mean it's a very crude,
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 3: you know image, and but this is this is like
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 3: almost i'd say, I would say twenty years old, you know,
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 3: of an old digital twenty year old drawing that that
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 3: I did, And it's it's something to see it, you know,
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 3: still be a part of an associated with it, and
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 3: that for me, that that's really heartwarming in a way.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 3: And I'm sort of glad to see that. I'm I'm
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 3: thank you for bringing that up because that that really
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 3: it spoke to me.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Chris, this is the number one classic, number
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: one art built show that I actually this is one
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: of the highest watched remote viewing shows that I have
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: on my channel. Is the is the metals whole remote
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: viewing target that I was given and uh and I
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: got to say, Tanya and I both were given these targets,
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: and Tanya connected with that sealed more than I did.
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: And she stayed in communication with that tumor sial for
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: some time psychically. And and I can say that I
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: do believe this was all real. I think Mel's Hole
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: is real. I think this tumor seal was real because
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: we did. We were both of us remote viewed it separately.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: And uh and it's a fascinating story for people who
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: aren't familiar with Mel's Hole. Mel Mel called in to
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: Art Bell said that he had a gigantic heavy hole
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: in his yard and there's some property that he owned
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: up in Washington, I think, and the people were throwing
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: appliances down it, and it had no bottom to it.
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: And he said that he had he had dropped fifteen
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: miles worth of fishing line threw down into this hole
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: and there still had never hit the bottom. And we
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: were given we were given this remote viewing target. Apparently
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: the government swooped in after he went on Art Bell.
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: The government swooped in and seized his land. Okay, And
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: and even when you try to find it on a map,
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: it's blurred out. Anywhere that you can potentially be emails
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: full is blurred on Google maps. But we remote you.
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: I believe I was coming up with wormhole we both
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: we both picked up on a being a wormhole having
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: to do with a space and time, you know, interdimensional
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: stuff time travel. Uh, and I was even picking up
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: on either that had to do with the with the
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: German scientist and time travel. Okay, so go figure out.
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 3: I remember one of the stories where he had a
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 3: dog that had passed and he threw the dog down
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 3: the hole and then like on plots of his land,
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 3: he would actually see his dog like running around, you know,
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 3: and it was always you know, you know, out of
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 3: the you know, just out of you just out of
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 3: out of range for him to pursue it. But it's
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 3: sort of this this that lends to that sort of
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 3: ethereal other worldliness of it that is you know, intriguing.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah for sure. And uh and so mel
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: Mel actually left that when he he he made a
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: deal with the government and go live in Australia and
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: uh and to go start a wombat farm. And but
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: he they were going to pay for him for the
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: rest of his life. He said, uh, to live there
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: as long as he didn't talk about the hole and
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: never came back to the United States. And then he
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: ended up coming back to the US and he got
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: beaten up and he lost.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 3: All took his teeth or something.
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, knocked his teeth out and all that stuff. So yeah,
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: it's but he had he had a second hole. The
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: second one was in Arizona or New Mexico, another hole
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: just like the first hole that he had found.
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and it and it's funny how that one in
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 3: a million chests just fell right into his lap. But
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 3: the thing is is, uh, you know how they say
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 3: that once you experience like something weird, then all of
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 3: a sudden, all the other weird stuff starts. You start
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 3: becoming aware of it too, And they liken it to
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 3: like when you buy a new car, then all of
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 3: a sudden you start noticing that model of car everywhere,
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 3: like like maybe it's just like this extra level of
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 3: awareness is suddenly bumped up a notch for some people.
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 3: And I kind of think, like something like that is
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 3: how it works. I don't know, I that's what I believe.
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah. Once you start examining something,
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: like when you start studying something that starts studying studying,
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: you back, Okay, it does, and that includes the things
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: that came out of males hole, I guess. And it
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: was really funny saying that we had remote viewed Mel's hole.
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: It just sounded weird, OK, so it did. But but yeah,
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: you know, I actually was just on coast to coast
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: Adam with George Norri about a month about a month ago,
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: I guess a month or two ago.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 2: I was.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: I was his guest one night, and that was a
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: wonderful experience and one that I'll never forget. And uh,
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: we actually ended up talking about mails hole briefly while
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: I was on there with George, So we talked about
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: some of the targets that I had done remote viewing wise,
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: and and I did, and Mel's hold did come up
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: getting to talk to George Nory about it, so it
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 1: was it was quite a treat.
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 3: And I I really, I mean, I George nooys. He's
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 3: not the same as as Art Bell, but he's got
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 3: sort of his own thing going on, and it's sort
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 3: of I think he's done like an alright job, you.
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: Know, carrying the Yeah, he's done a good job. He's
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: done a great job. But yeah, go ahead, before we go.
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 3: Let mean, I one person had requested a specific alien
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 3: being and I just happened to have it in the
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 3: backlocks so let me pop that up. Someone wanted to
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 3: see a click clack, so it's like, okay, here's a
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 3: click clack, one of the click clacks that I had
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 3: done for Arkith Andrews's book. Mm hmm.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: That's fascinating.
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: I actually had a bug. Okay, this is this is
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: blowing my mind right now because I had a bug
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 1: that like a grasshopper, but it wasn't a grasshopper. It
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: looked exactly like this crawling on my arm yesterday. I
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: took these series of pictures of it. I'm gonna send
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: you some pictures after the show today and I'll probably
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: post them on my my social media if I want
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: to see him had a buggler. It didn't have a
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: coat on, it didn't have clothes on, but it looked
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: like that in the back and even the back of it,
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: I thought that maybe it had been cut, like something
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: had happened. It was deformed. It looked just like that.
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: And I was actually like connecting with this book at
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: my farm yesterday. It was so weird. So that's very cool.
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: I get the click clack.
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 3: I like that, Yeah, yeah, and it's the I think
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 3: it's this is just like a bunch of fun stuff.
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 3: And the thing is I know that, like I think
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 3: it was someone in the chat was saying about how
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 3: you know, like, you know, how could you be dismissive
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 3: of a bigfoot but totally like be in the boat
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 3: with Arkaith Andrews and all this stuff, and it's not
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 3: I'm not really Like My position is that I listen
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 3: to everybody's accounts. I mean, do I There's this weird
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 3: sort of of like thing where we throw this sort
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 3: of currency to believability, Like if I'm able to convince
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 3: you that my story is true, that that makes it
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 3: more true. Like there's a point system, you know, where
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 3: either it happened or it didn't, and you can either
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 3: prove it or you can't. And that's just the way
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 3: that it is with Urkeith Andrews. My relationship with him
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 3: is that he's very open about what he can and
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 3: can't prove. He knows that he can't quite prove like
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 3: a majority of these accounts, And I'm not asking him
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 3: to prove anything to me. He's hiring me to do
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 3: a job, and I'm doing a job. He's he's I'm
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 3: intrigued by his adventures. I'm intrigued by these creatures. You know, ultimately,
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 3: you know, I'm a fan of aliens and stuff like this.
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 3: I'm a fan of especially these one offs and stuff
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 3: of that. I love these things. I love messing with
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 3: these creatures. I love experimenting with them, drawing with them,
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 3: and with the unique relationship with Archithandrews was that he
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 3: is a first hand experiencer and he's detaelling me the
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 3: details of these entities firsthand. I'm not getting them through
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 3: a researcher. I'm not getting them through an author. I'm
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 3: not getting them second hand through someone else. I'm getting,
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 3: you know, all the rich details from the source, so
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 3: to speak. And he knows that he can't, you know,
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 3: Like I said, prove these to me. And I'm not
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 3: asking for evidence of them. I'm just I'm doing my job.
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 3: But the thing is is that, you know, I mean,
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 3: I'm not really asking for evidence of for him to
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 3: prove it either. I just need to know the details
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 3: so that I can best illustrate them. The thing about
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 3: you know, whether or not I believe people or not,
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 3: you know, I mean, I I'm very skeptical of stuff,
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 3: but I understand that a lot of this, like I
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 3: said earlier, spooky stuff happens to all of us, and
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 3: we can't ultimately prove it, And an ill ability to
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 3: prove it doesn't mean it's not real. I understand the
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 3: experience is real to people. My experience was real to me.
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 3: Could I write it off as just generic sleep paralysis?
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 3: I very well could. But you know, I felt that
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 3: there was a profound, profoundness to this experience, and I
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 3: sort of take that with me. The thing is with
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 3: everybody else, it's like there's a lot of you know,
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 3: animosity within the community about you know, how believable a
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 3: person's story is and are telling the truth or are
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 3: they lying? And the thing is is that so much
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 3: of these these people that there seems to be this
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 3: this this pipeline from experiencer to guru and when you
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 3: reach to a level of guru dum to where you
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 3: start like expressing like, oh, I can cure your cancer
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 3: or whatever it is, just give me four hundred dollars
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 3: of whatever, so I can, you know, do my thing
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 3: or whatever. And it's not something that they can immediately
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 3: prove that it's beneficial that some people regard as a
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 3: grift or not. I can understand the criticism there that
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 3: and I too am critical of such you know, mischievous
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 3: individuals within the community as well. The thing is that
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 3: the a lot of this stuff is so wrapped up
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 3: in mystery and and you know, but that doesn't mean
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  Speaker 3: that I'm not going to dismiss a person's story or
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 3: an account. I still want to hear it out. I
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 3: still feel that people's accounts and stuff are valuable, even
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 3: for our carvial purposes. Like I don't believe Valiant Thor
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 3: is real. I believe he's a fabrication, but I believe
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 3: that there is something to people encountering him on crafts
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 3: and stuff like this. So it's not so much that that,
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 3: you know, maybe whatever this interloper is, this extra whatever
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 3: it is stuff that we encounter. Maybe it does, you know,
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 3: have Internet access and it looks up Valiantor, as says, well,
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 3: this person expects to see Valiant Thor. So I'm going
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 3: to wrap myself in Valiant Thor wrapping and present myself
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 3: to them, because that way I could get whatever I
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 3: need out of them. And it's not so much meat
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 3: being suspect of the person having their encounter. It's me
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 3: being suspect of the phenomenon itself, and I hope that
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 3: I could clear that up because I know like some
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 3: people are, you know, trying to get up on me
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 3: about that.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, nobody in my croove here is going to get
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 1: all over you for that, okay, because we're very open
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: to experiences and I and I just the one thing
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 1: I require of people that I go out and field
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: with is we got to everyoney's kind of an open
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 1: mind about stuff, and so we're we're non judgmental for
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 1: the most part over here, Okay, So we don't have
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: to worry about that it all. And everybody has very
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 1: unique experiences. And I've actually been people have asked if
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: I would put Valiant Thor in the pool of remote
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: viewing targets that I would do, and I have not
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: been tasked that target yet, So I don't know. I
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 1: believe I don't know about Valiant or I don't know
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 1: one to see. I don't know a whole lot about them.
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 3: There's a lot of back and forth, and I do
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 3: feel like we need to have those debates. But I
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 3: can understand people having an emotional attachment because they've had
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 3: first andand experiences and that's how they understand something and again,
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 3: you know, it's it's like there's just so much going
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 3: on at once, everything's going in so many directions at once.
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 3: It's just a lot going on, you know. I mean.
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 3: And another thing is convincing me that whatever it is
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 3: that you've done is real or or stuff like that.
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 3: You don't get anything from that, You don't win anything
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 3: from that. Me believing your story doesn't make it true.
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 3: That just means you've been able to make a good
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 3: argument with me or convince me somehow. But that doesn't
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 3: make your experience true if it's not. It's just the
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 3: thing is is that with with you know, And I
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 3: guess we've got to kind of under that because sometimes
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 3: the skeptics, I get that there's a lot of animosity
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 3: with skept certain skeptics that they get, you know, they
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 3: get really hung up on having the pseudo authority over
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 3: the rest of the community because they ultimately have the
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 3: no hammer. They could just say no.
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 1: That happens a lot in the UFO community. I've noticed,
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 1: like in a cryptic community, maybe I just don't see
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 1: it very much in the cryptic community, but the UFO community, yes,
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 1: So luckily, luckily we lean more towards the crupted community.
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 1: I guess.
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 3: I'm not. And I'm not much of a UFO guy either.
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 3: I it's I'm more interested in in what's in the
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 3: craft rather than it flying around, you know. And and
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 3: you know, we could go down so many rabbit holes
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 3: and stuff, but I don't think we've been able to
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 3: have a chance to go to the giants yet.
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: It's a lot of I was gonna say, a lot
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 1: of those craft actually are living beings from what I
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 1: understand too, so they're actually Yeah, I'm going to just
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: take a second to thank Vig Kumar, thank you so
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 1: much for that supersticker who says a year almost exclusively
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 1: in summer, and there's a blue light that visits me
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 1: at this time. Very cool. Uh yeah, it sounds like
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 1: an orb or something. So that's that's really cool. Thank
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 1: you so much for your support. I appreciate that. Yeah,
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 1: well we can touch on giants real quickly before we
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 1: go tonight if you.
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 3: Want, you know, yeah, then we'll just wrap it up
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 3: with a with a little bow. And because I I
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 3: know that that you and me had like a plan
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 3: and and and I think we're we're we're ready to
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 3: wrap stuff up we're ready wraps up.
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 1: But I know we have we have a lewise plan.
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 1: I always have a loose plan, y'all. That's everybody should
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 1: have a loose plan in life too.
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 3: Wait, before that, I got to make sure you're not
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 3: in afflo Jessica, could you open your mouth let me
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 3: count the roast of your teeth only, Okay.
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 1: I'm not.
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 3: I got to make sure you're Chris.
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: So there's a lot of people I've seen I've seen
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 1: it in the chat, like over and over again. How
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 1: tall are you, Jessica. I'm not that tall, y'all. I'm
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 1: just usually taller than the other people in the room. Okay,
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 1: I'm like five eight Okay, it's not that tall. But
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 1: I do wear heels, okay, and that makes me tall.
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 3: So that's Jessica.
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 3: I'm no, let us have our fun, Jessica. Come, I
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 3: we'll spoil it for us.
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 1: I'm not that tall. I'm just taller than a lot
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 1: of people. But I'm not that tall. Okay. So but
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 1: uh yeah, well, let's let's touch on the giants real quick, tonight.
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 3: Okay. Okay, before you know, we all know, like the
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 3: there's the popular uh giant of Kandahar. That's totally cool.
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 3: But you know how there's this sort of like revelation
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 3: of the method of where people like throw in this
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 3: like we'll see like a movie of something. And right
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 3: now they're making a movie about the faking the moon landing.
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 3: And I think that's just to shut up, you know,
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 3: some would say to shut up criticism of people who
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 3: doubt the moon landing, you know, for someone whatever reason.
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 3: And there's always this this this need of Hollywood what
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 3: they call soft disclosure. Uh, we'll just release a movie
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 3: of a thing, and then when when popular uh paranormal
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 3: whatever it is, touches on it, then we could just say, oh,
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 3: that's just a movie, you know. And and and I
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 3: get that, but as far as revelation of the method
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 3: and stuff of this nature, you know, one of the
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 3: earliest things that I remember pertaining to giants was this
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 3: cartoon show as a child that I had seen. What
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 3: it was called Robotech, and Robotech was about where this
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 3: this this this flying fortress crashed into Earth. It like
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 3: wiped out a bunch of people, and then they rebuilt
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 3: it up and we're going to go spacefra and right
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 3: when they were about to launch it they get attacked
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 3: by aliens, and then the aliens are in these pods
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 3: and stuff like this, and then the UN had these
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 3: fighters called Veritable Fighters with and they then they would
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 3: transform into giant humanoids. And then when one of the
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 3: pods on the enemy pods opened up, inside was a
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 3: giant humanoid. So it's like as if these these these
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 3: jets were fashioned specifically to fight giants. And I find
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 3: that so cute that that we talk about the Nephelim
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 3: and all this and that of these giant creatures and stuff,
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 3: whereas in the TV show they were called the Zentroti,
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 3: you know, and and and it's it's just I just
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 3: find that so intriguing that there's this media out there
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 3: of space faring battles with gigantic humanoids in the Zeitgei,
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 3: so to speak. And and I some people that, yeah,
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 3: they know what I'm talking about. They're like, yeah, that
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 3: was my favorite show. And the Macross saga in particular
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 3: of that show is where like a lot of that
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 3: cubs and I guess because of licensing rights, we don't
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 3: get it in the US, but you could still find it,
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 3: you know, bits and places. But the underlying score of
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 3: the show was that the universe was pretty much, you know,
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 3: held together somewhat by music, and there was like a
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 3: lot of romantic interloping and all that stuff. But I
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 3: just wanted to bring that up of this sort of
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 3: giants placed in our popular culture.
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're in all the movies too, like Game of
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 1: Thrones and I mean like the shows you watch growing
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 1: up as a kid. They're they're all over the place.
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 1: But see, people are even getting videos of real life
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 1: giants too on mountain sides. And then some of those
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 1: people are going missing after they published those videos on
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 1: social media.
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 3: I've heard about that. I don't know what to make
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 3: of that. I'm somewhat kind of ippy about that, but
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 3: but I get the account of that. I totally think
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 3: that's totally cool. But as far as that, some people
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 3: suspect it could have been an optical illusion, which which
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 3: I'm totally open to. But again, like like that sort
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 3: of thing is like I want to see more. And
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 3: then there was that movie that came out I think
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 3: it was Norwegian, troll Hunter was called troll Yeah, they
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 3: but the Norwegian version was called troll Hunter, And in
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 3: that one, it was just so good about how this
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 3: sort of like the I think it was the Norwegian
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 3: government or had this sort of this guy, this frumpy
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 3: looking guy, and his job was to hunt trolls, because
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 3: in the premise of that story, what had happened was
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 3: that this this troll had contracted rabies and was actually
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 3: attacking people, and it was his job to chase it
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 3: down and to take it out. But of course that
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 3: he had discovered is that because these trolls, you know, intermingle,
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 3: that there was going to be like a Rabi's epidemic.
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 3: So then he had to take out several trolls to
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 3: do that, and in that you learn about all these
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 3: different kinds of trolls and stuff of that nature. And
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 3: it's a very fun movie. I recommend watching it in
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 3: the original language if you can, because the way the
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 3: affect is just the way he comes out in his
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 3: gap troll and then he runs off and it's just
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 3: such a fun little movie. I love it.
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, there's a lot of people in the chat
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: that have seen it, and they say you can find
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 1: it on to be Okay, Cosmic Joe Chronicles says two
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 1: be and yeah, a lot of a lot of people
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 1: have seen it. I've not seen troll hunter. Okay, there's
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 1: I'm going to go check that one out though, especially
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 1: some two b Yeah. Well, when it comes to these giants,
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 1: I mean, gosh, like I said, I talked about giants.
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: Lodge did a show on cyclops recently, and it's a
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 1: different like an ancient race of giants. There are different
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 1: races of giants. I mean, if you go back not
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 1: too far, you know, a couple of hundred years ago,
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 1: we got the Tartarian Empire, that giant humans, I mean,
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 1: that might have been just like one hundred years ago.
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 3: Actually, there was like a lot of speculation that a
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 3: lot of the buildings, the grand buildings, was made specifically
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 3: to house you know, specific twelve to fifteen foot tall
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 3: giants specifically, you know, and that we just you know,
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 3: found all that stuff and then repurposed it for ourselves
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 3: and any kind kind of you know stuff, you know,
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 3: we just write it off to whoa, there were just
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 3: grandiose builders, you know, and some people tend to speculate
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 3: that that very well could have been you know, to
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 3: let something of that size into the premise.
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, big doors and books and swords are being
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 1: unearthed and a lot of this stuff has been hidden
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 1: from us, okay, and all the giant skeletons that are
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 1: hiding underneath them.
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 3: What is it?
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 1: The Smithsonian? Allegedly. I've had somebody on my show, Doctor
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 1: wu came on my show who works as a like
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 1: a curator at the Smithsonian. He was in charge of
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 1: handling some of those bones of the giants, and I
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 1: had him on my show. He said, they're one hundred
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 1: percent down there. Okay, they do have a bunch of
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 1: giant skeletons and stuff.
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 3: It seems it seems to be that the Smithsonian tends
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 3: to be the popular candidate for any kind of suppression
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 3: of this. And at this point, you know, we talked
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 3: about it so much that we could just knock on
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 3: the door and just demand it and they'll say, oh,
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 3: we don't know. Of course, have some plausible deniability to that,
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 3: And I think, is that what a lot of at
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 3: this point, I wouldn't be surprised if, you know, the
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 3: powers that be or whatever you know, happen to allow
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 3: the Smithsonian to continue to be the scapegoat of that.
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 3: But as far as you know, history as we know it,
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 3: I mean even today we can see, you know, and
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 3: I'm not trying to get too political here, but we
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 3: can clearly see history being purposely trying. People are trying
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 3: to rewrite it to a more favorable narrative that allows that,
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 3: you know, them to stay in power, whoever them are.
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 3: And I have to question that looking back on that
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 3: of the history. If we know now about the angel
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 3: in history, you know, like should we question that stuff
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 3: as well? I mean, just look at the Mendela effects.
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 3: You know, in my personal opinion, I don't believe Mendela
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 3: effects are the results of cern. I think it's the
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 3: result of historical tampering by by you know, Google and
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 3: stuff like that to sort of, you know, throw us
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 3: off our game. The things is that is that, you know,
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 3: and when it comes to stuff like you know, some
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 3: of the hard ones where it's it's instead of lying
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 3: in the lamb, it's the wolf and the lamb in
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 3: the Bible and stuff like this, you know, there could
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 3: have been stuff that we just simply overlooked and popular
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 3: culture then picked it up and ran with it. But
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 3: as far as you know, with all that stuff that's
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 3: going on, we definitely need to pay more closer attention
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 3: question our history because it's just some stuff just doesn't
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 3: line up as far as as I think it should.
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 3: In a lot of people are asking questions, and of
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 3: course when you ask those questions, you get your site
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 3: knocked off and stuff like that. So so I think
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 3: there's definitely more there.
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well this is all for entertainment purposes only tonight.
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 1: Everything we talk about for sure, and uh, and there
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 1: has been a there is a lot covered up, and
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 1: and it's we're slowly getting the trickle effect of like,
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 1: you know, unveiling the mysteries. I guess it's almost like
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 1: the vill has gotten thinner or there's no bill now,
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 1: and we're just I don't know if we're just being
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 1: shown things or you know, I don't know, people like
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 1: ourselves are coming out and talking about our own experiences.
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 1: And uh, and yes, the Smithsonian, that's a gatekeeper. That's
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 1: what we would consider to be a gatekeeper. And I've
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 1: seen that comment a couple of times in the chat.
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 1: The chat is off the chain, and I thank you
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 1: guys so much for all the comments. It's it's y'all
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 1: keep it interesting. Everybody does. But yeah, it's I don't know.
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 1: I'm just glad that we were able to talk about it,
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 1: even if we have to say it's for entertainment purposes only.
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 1: At least we're here talking about it. That's well about it.
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and thank you again for letting me on your
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 3: show do to espouse all this stuff. I'm glad that
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 3: we were able to, you know, go on for like
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 3: a little bit longer and get deeper into the topics
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 3: that we hadn't before when it was just us.
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, this is fun. I always have a
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 1: great time. I know, I was. I was I'm gonna
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 1: have you on my space dot radio show, and I thought, man,
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 1: we've got more to talk about than just an hour. Okay,
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 1: because we only have we have less than an hour
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 1: to just squeeze everything in. So yeah, it's always it's
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 1: always a great time. And you are a fantastic artist
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 1: and you have a really great podcast. Why don't you
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 1: tell the audience where they can find you, Chris and
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 1: and hopefully come back and hang out with me again
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 1: in future.
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, you can find me at Conspire Theory and
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 3: you can find me on Instagram and Twitter at Conspire
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 3: Theory all one word. I'm I'm pretty much on all
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 3: the podcasters you can. You can find them any where,
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 3: and if not. You can find it on either Spotify
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 3: and then use that to get to the RSS feed
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 3: and plug it into your specific podcatcher of choice. But
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 3: you know, just definitely keep a look out up there.
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  Speaker 3: It's it's very easy to find. Just Google it and
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  Speaker 3: then it'll pop up and you can get it, or
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  Speaker 3: you can get a link from a friend. I'm trying
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  Speaker 3: to traverse and get more, you know, video shows on
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  Speaker 3: my YouTube channel. I only have like maybe three episodes
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  Speaker 3: up there right now, but I am trying to transition
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  Speaker 3: more to YouTube and it's it's there's there's a lot,
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  Speaker 3: I mean there's I have an archive if you go
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  Speaker 3: through the audio arcause you can find a lot of
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  Speaker 3: fascinating people that I've talked to, a lot of great
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  Speaker 3: episodes that we've all talked to. Some of them have
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  Speaker 3: content warning because you know, it's just more salacious humor
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  Speaker 3: that more of the darker, edgy humor type of stuff
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  Speaker 3: that I think people who are are more more sensitive
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  Speaker 3: may not be up to. But there's a lot of
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  Speaker 3: stuff that's just pure entertainment stuff as well. I talked
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  Speaker 3: to a lot of artists and writers because I came
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  Speaker 3: My background is in comic books, I came from a
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  Speaker 3: comic book world, so I'm in the superheroes and stuff
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  Speaker 3: like this. So the cryptids in the stuff like these
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  Speaker 3: are sort of interesting to me because I viewed them
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  Speaker 3: through the lens of that sort of superhero type of thing.
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  Speaker 3: And that's what always kept me interesting interested in it.
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  Speaker 2: And with that.
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  Speaker 3: A lot of there's this new crop of podcasters that
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 3: are coming up, and they're just reinvigorating, you know, my
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  Speaker 3: interest in talking to these subjects and talking to these
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  Speaker 3: people like yourselves, like like cryptid warfare, like uh like,
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  Speaker 3: let's get freaky like Shay Jones from from Inquiries of
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  Speaker 3: Our Reality, which if if you look at Inquiries of
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  Speaker 3: Our Reality, he was one he had commit asked me
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  Speaker 3: to commiss me to redo his uh his his show,
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  Speaker 3: his album art for his show. So so you'll see
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  Speaker 3: my artwork on his show and he like sells the
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  Speaker 3: T shirt of it all that stuff. That's that's really cool,
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  Speaker 3: And it's just I'm trying to get everywhere that I
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 3: can talk to reach out to as many people as
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  Speaker 3: I can, and and you know, as well as get
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 3: my own show, so my own show going and talk
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  Speaker 3: to the people who those who were are willing to
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 3: talk to me, so again, thank you so much for
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 3: letting me come up on here. This was a lot
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  Speaker 3: of fun. I love talking to you so much.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, thank you. No, I had a blast, I know,
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 1: my I apologize. My audio was a little crackly. It
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 1: was click clacking today, okay. And and I had to yeah,
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 1: somebody with my with my son when when he like
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 1: turned on his spot his spot or Spotify, I went
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 1: into my phone and it just was a mesh awesome.
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry. We had some a little a little technical
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 1: glitch in the beginning and it and it set off
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 1: whatever whatever reason. My audio has been glitched out ever since.
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 1: So I'm going to get that fixed. It'll be fine
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 1: in the future. So I apologize for the for the
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 1: clickity clackity glitchy audio tonight. But but other than that,
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 1: I've had a blast. This has been a great time. Chris,
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 1: thank you so much. I also want to give it
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 1: a good shout out too long out on Bigfoot Okay,
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 1: we club and the Hunt Club that is. Thank you
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 1: for being a member of the Hunt Club for five months.
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 1: This is your anniversary, Mike, so thank you so much
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 1: for that. And Mareen, thank you Marien, the girl and
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 1: her gong, they have been members of the Hunt Club.
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 1: That's the members only I guess it's just the members
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 1: only thing here on YouTube. It's like my membership on YouTube.
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I don't know how to say it, but
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 1: thank you. Join Hunt Club is awesome. Thank you Marian.
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  Speaker 1: That means the world to me that you guys have
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 1: been here that long. Y'all are y'all are the ogs
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 1: of the Hunt Club. So thank y'all so much. And
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 1: uh and Chris, I want to thank you again for
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 1: being here. Like I said, this has been has been
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 1: a hoot. And so everybody, y'all go check out Conspire
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 1: a Theory podcast wherever you get your podcast Seeing lives okay,
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 1: and yeah, so thanks Chris, thank you, you rock, you
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 1: rock okay, and you guys please come back and see
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 1: me tomorrow night. I'll be at space Out Radio tomorrow night,
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 1: all right, so y'all come see me over there at
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 1: ten pm Eastern, seven Pacific. I want to thank everybody
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 1: for being here tonight. All chats. Everybody who's in the
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 1: chat tonight, y'all are the best, absolutely and all my moderators,
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 1: thank you, all my Patreon members, thank you and all
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 1: my channel members. Thank y'all so much, and thank you
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 1: guys for the super chats, super stigers and just for
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 1: me in here. All right, Chris, Well listen, we'll see
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 1: you next time. Come back and see us soon, all right,
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 1: All everybody, have a great night and I'll see you
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 1: all tomorrow. A hie Chris, hie.
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  Speaker 2: Bye game, my fos. Maybe La Mavie Pbi in many
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