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Ep. 347: BONUS Talking Southern Turkeys with Lake Pickle · Wired To Hunt Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for
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  Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,
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  Speaker 1: Mark Ken. You all right, welcome to the Wired Hunt podcast,
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  Speaker 1: brought to you by on X. Thanks for tuning in,
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  Speaker 1: appreciate you being here today. In the show, We've got
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  Speaker 1: Lake Pickle talking Southern turkey hunting. And Lake is a
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  Speaker 1: Mississippi native. He's a member of the Premost Video team.
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  Speaker 1: You might have seen them on their TV show, on
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  Speaker 1: their web series, on their YouTube videos. He's also the
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  Speaker 1: host of their Speak the Language podcast over their Premost too.
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  Speaker 1: He's a serious turkey hunter and he's mentored under some
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  Speaker 1: of the very best turkey hunters in the country, folks
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  Speaker 1: such as the one and only Will Premost. So he's
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  Speaker 1: got a tremendous amount of experience to share and today
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna go rapid fire with him to discuss, you know,
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  Speaker 1: things like what's unique out turkey hunting in the South,
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  Speaker 1: how to find and call and decoy highly pressured turkeys,
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  Speaker 1: something that's applicable in many parts of the country. We
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  Speaker 1: talked through tips for getting quiet birds to gobble, what
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  Speaker 1: to do if you spook a gobbler, how to break,
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  Speaker 1: a hung up bird, and a whole lot more. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: It was a fun talk we go, I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: thirty forty minutes, just jam packed with turkey tips and knowledge.
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  Speaker 1: So if you are excited to get out turkey hunting,
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  Speaker 1: you gotta listen to this one a step because it
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  Speaker 1: will help, no doubt about it. So that's the plan.
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  Speaker 1: Before we get into it, though, I just want to
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  Speaker 1: give you one more heads up. If you've been enjoying
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  Speaker 1: these bonus turkey hunting episodes, I'd like to encourage you
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  Speaker 1: hunting articles that we've been publishing over there. I've been
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  Speaker 1: working hard writing new things. Spencer's been writing new things,
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  Speaker 1: Tony Peterson has been writing new articles. All sorts of
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  Speaker 1: people on the team and other folks out there are
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  Speaker 1: sharing their turkey hunting insights with really great articles. We're
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  Speaker 1: gonna see topics such as, oh gosh um, how to
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  Speaker 1: how to hunt roosted towns, how to stock turkeys, how
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  Speaker 1: to uh deal with turkeys that they aren't talking, how
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  Speaker 1: to make your decoys more realistic, a whole slet of
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  Speaker 1: different things, dozens and dozens of new articles. If you
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  Speaker 1: want to learn more after listening to this, that's how
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  Speaker 1: to do it, heading over to the meat eater dot com.
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  Speaker 1: There's also a lot of great turkey recipes because I'm
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  Speaker 1: counting on all of you filling those turkey tags, so
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  Speaker 1: you're gonna need to eat them too. We can help
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  Speaker 1: you on that front as well. So that's all from
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  Speaker 1: me without further ado, let's get to some turkey talk
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  Speaker 1: with Lake Pickle. Alright with me on the line now
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  Speaker 1: is Lake Pickle Lake, Thanks for doing this. How are you, man?
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  Speaker 1: I'm doing great. Thank you for having me on its owner. Hey,
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  Speaker 1: I uh, I'm stoked that we can chat turkeys right
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  Speaker 1: now because a lot of people are stuck inside or
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  Speaker 1: stuck at home and not able to go do some
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  Speaker 1: fun things. But but turkey hunting is one of those
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  Speaker 1: options that most of us have to go out and
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  Speaker 1: enjoy ourselves right now. So this is a this is
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  Speaker 1: a great thing to be talking about. Absolutely, it's it's
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  Speaker 1: one of my favorite things to talk about, regardless of
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  Speaker 1: the time of year, what's going on. But yeah, with
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  Speaker 1: everything going on right now and the last folks being
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  Speaker 1: stuck inside. It's it's people are more appreciative of turkey
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  Speaker 1: hunting than normal, I feel like, which is the way
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  Speaker 1: it should be. Oh yeah, I was just driving home
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  Speaker 1: from the grocery store a little bit ago, and in
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  Speaker 1: my head I was kind of complaining to myself that
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  Speaker 1: I I can't go hunt anywhere else. I'm kind of
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  Speaker 1: gotta stay here in Michigan and we only get one tag,
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  Speaker 1: so I basically, you know, could end my turkey season
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  Speaker 1: in one day. Now sitting there thinking how disappointing that is.
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  Speaker 1: And usually in a lot of other years, I would
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  Speaker 1: go and kind of guide for a bunch of friends,
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  Speaker 1: take them out, call for um, you know, just do
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  Speaker 1: that with as many buddies as you can to kind
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  Speaker 1: of lengthen your season. But now maybe we shouldn't be
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  Speaker 1: doing that. I don't know. So it's such a strange time, man, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it is. It is. So I started thinking, I think
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  Speaker 1: what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna set a goal
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  Speaker 1: of getting quote unquote getting five turkeys for myself in
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  Speaker 1: Michigan this year. And when I say getting, I'm not
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  Speaker 1: actually gonna illegally shoot more birds than I'm allowed. I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to see if I can get five gobblers within
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  Speaker 1: forty yards and and you know, take a picture or something,
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  Speaker 1: and that'll be like that fun thing is try to
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  Speaker 1: call one into range and no, I could have got it.
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  Speaker 1: And so I'm gonna hunt without needing to pull the trigger.
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  Speaker 1: I'll get my one bird, and then I'm just gonna
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  Speaker 1: keep on getting after just to enjoy it, you know. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And I mean, like I said, and then the circumstances
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  Speaker 1: that everyone's kind of set with right now, I get
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  Speaker 1: where you're coming from. There's you still gotta find some
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  Speaker 1: way to enjoy the spring as much as you can.
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  Speaker 1: I understand exactly. So I'm particularly excited to kind of
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  Speaker 1: pick your brain because you are doing a ton of
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  Speaker 1: turkey hunting down in the part of the country that
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  Speaker 1: I just don't get to enough. Um I if I'm right,
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  Speaker 1: correct me if I'm wrong here, But I think I've
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  Speaker 1: seen you've killed turkeys already this year in Alabama, Mississippi,
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  Speaker 1: in Florida. Is that right, correct? Yes, sir, that is correct?
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  Speaker 1: In And what are are you hunting many other states
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  Speaker 1: this year? Or is that the extent of it? It's
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  Speaker 1: kind of up in the air. We would like to
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  Speaker 1: but it's just you know, usually with what we do
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  Speaker 1: with with primos, we we chase spring all over you know.
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  Speaker 1: But um, we've already lost some trips because of the
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  Speaker 1: Corona thing, like we touched on earlier. Um, and that's honestly,
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  Speaker 1: I've hunted. I've got to hunt more in my home
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  Speaker 1: state of Mississippi this year than I have in years,
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  Speaker 1: just because we're usually traveling so much. We may get
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  Speaker 1: to make a few more trips later and later on
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  Speaker 1: in in May if some of this stuff changes, um,
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  Speaker 1: but as of right now, we're just kind of hunting
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  Speaker 1: around the house. It's the safe thing to do, you know. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: how many tags do you guys get there? Three apiece,
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  Speaker 1: three bird limit? Yeah, at least you've got some some opportunities.
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  Speaker 1: So so we talked on Instagram, I think right at
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  Speaker 1: on Instagram a little bit about what makes Southern turkey
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  Speaker 1: hunting unique. And I think that's probably a good place
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  Speaker 1: to start with this conversation too. Can you expand on
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  Speaker 1: some of the things that you think make it different
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  Speaker 1: down there than maybe what I'm experiencing in Michigan and
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  Speaker 1: what folks out in Iowa or Nebraska maybe have got
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  Speaker 1: going on sure. I think one of the biggest thing
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  Speaker 1: that comes to my mind when you say what makes
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  Speaker 1: Southern turkey hunting unique is I feel like there's a
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  Speaker 1: bigger concentration of turkey hunters in the Southeast region than
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  Speaker 1: there are anywhere else. So you're dealing with so much
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  Speaker 1: more hunting pressure, and that has, you know, whether you
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  Speaker 1: whether you like it or not. I mean I kind
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  Speaker 1: of wish that it didn't sometimes, but you know, turkeys
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  Speaker 1: respond very much the hunting pressure. You know, they get
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  Speaker 1: called out a lot, they get walked under limbs and
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  Speaker 1: flushed off limbs a lot, they get walked into a
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  Speaker 1: lot when their goblin in person tries to get too close,
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  Speaker 1: and they get flood and so you're a lot of times,
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  Speaker 1: especially if you're hunting on public land, you're dealing with
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  Speaker 1: birds that have been scared either by hunters or by predators,
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  Speaker 1: because predation is also an issue we deal with a
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  Speaker 1: lot down here. Um. I just I feel like overall,
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  Speaker 1: you're you're dealing with turkeys that are a lot more wary,
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  Speaker 1: I guess, or or trying to be trying to stay
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  Speaker 1: on their toes a lot more just because they're so
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  Speaker 1: scared of everything. Uh, so that that's probably like the
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  Speaker 1: biggest difference. I would say, if I had to pick
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  Speaker 1: just one, I'd say there's several, but the biggest one
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  Speaker 1: is just dealing with hunting pressure. Yeah, So how do
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  Speaker 1: you account for that? Like, I know, one of the
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  Speaker 1: things you mentioned when we were talking earlier is is
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  Speaker 1: focusing on a time frame different than when most guys
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  Speaker 1: come out there. Maybe if you can expand on that
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  Speaker 1: and and then anything else you do differently to just
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  Speaker 1: deal with these real timid birds. Sure. Um. So the
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  Speaker 1: best example that I have of that is, Uh, I
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  Speaker 1: went to college. When I was in college, there was
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  Speaker 1: a there was a big public piece of public ground
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  Speaker 1: that you could get to from the town that I
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  Speaker 1: went to college at at at Mississippi State. You could
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  Speaker 1: drive there from from my apartment that I was living
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  Speaker 1: in to be there listening to turkeys and twenty minutes
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  Speaker 1: um and so. As you can imagine, every other student
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  Speaker 1: that turkey hunted also hunted that same piece of public ground.
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  Speaker 1: And so it was hammered with with pressure. And you know,
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  Speaker 1: you had a lot of times you have you better
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  Speaker 1: have five or six different spots that you could possibly
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  Speaker 1: go in and hunt that you had scouted, because there's
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  Speaker 1: a chance that if you try to, if you only
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  Speaker 1: have one, you'd go there and there'd be some of us,
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  Speaker 1: be someone there already. And uh, I learned over you know,
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  Speaker 1: like I'm not the quickest learner in the world. Is
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  Speaker 1: a lot of trial and error, but I learned that
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  Speaker 1: a lot of those guys, whether they just were doing
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  Speaker 1: it because they didn't know any better, or they had class,
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  Speaker 1: a lot of those guys would get there, you know,
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  Speaker 1: do the daybreak roost goblin thing, and they would hunt
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  Speaker 1: until eight thirty nine o'clock and then they'd call it quits.
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  Speaker 1: And you drive around that that same piece of public
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  Speaker 1: ground that looked like, you know, the talladegas raceway in
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  Speaker 1: the morning times, but you get there from ten am on,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it's oftentimes would be a ghost town. And
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  Speaker 1: so the first turkey that I ever killed out there,
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  Speaker 1: I got out there probably around ten thirty. I just
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  Speaker 1: went to a spot that I had scouted before the season,
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  Speaker 1: and I had hunted some of the mornings, and I
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  Speaker 1: knew that turkeys liked to be there. There were turkeys
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  Speaker 1: in that area. And I sat down and UH just
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  Speaker 1: was calling, you know, every five ten minutes, and I
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  Speaker 1: think I've probably been there about thirty forty minutes and
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  Speaker 1: one time I yelped and cut and a turkey answered me,
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  Speaker 1: and probably twenty minutes later that turkey was dead. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it was just that quick. And I think those turkeys
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  Speaker 1: get honestly, I think they get imprinted or or whatever
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  Speaker 1: you want to call it, that they start to figure
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  Speaker 1: out that, hey, from before daylight telling nine, there's a
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  Speaker 1: lot of things. There's a lot of booger bears out
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  Speaker 1: here chasing me, you know, but until then they're gone.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I realized bugger bear is probably a funny term.
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  Speaker 1: Excuse my red neck you know neck terminology. But but
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  Speaker 1: I think that, you know, you would say, turkeys acting
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  Speaker 1: a lot more like you want turkeys to act. And
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  Speaker 1: when I say that, you know, goblin strutting the whole
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  Speaker 1: nine yards. But they were a lot more laid back
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  Speaker 1: and not just on pins and needles when you hunt
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  Speaker 1: in those time frames when there's not as many people there. Um.
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  Speaker 1: And that's that's the best example that I can give
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  Speaker 1: of that. That's interesting. Do you do you do anything
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  Speaker 1: differently once you're out there? Though, So when you did
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  Speaker 1: that calling sequence and brought that burden or other times
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  Speaker 1: when you're hunting pressure birds like that, do you call
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  Speaker 1: any differently knowing that these turkeys have been buggered by
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  Speaker 1: a bunch of other people. Do you decoy differently when
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  Speaker 1: you know they've seen a bunch of other deeks anything
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  Speaker 1: like that? Yeah, absolutely, absolutely, that's a good question. Um,
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  Speaker 1: what you will learn or especially if you're out in
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  Speaker 1: public A lot. I don't know what it is, but
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  Speaker 1: there's so many guys they get I call it like
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  Speaker 1: a I don't know if you call it a rut
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  Speaker 1: or like a calling rud or they they sound like
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  Speaker 1: a broken CD. Sometimes they'll just throw the same five
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  Speaker 1: to eight yelp sequence over and over and over, you know,
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  Speaker 1: just y'all, y'all, y'all, y'all, y'all, you know, and there's
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  Speaker 1: no there's no changes, there's no difference in inflection. Or
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  Speaker 1: maybe they they clucked twice and then yelp. But but
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  Speaker 1: whatever it is, they yelped that, it's the same thing,
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  Speaker 1: just over and over and over and Um, we've heard
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  Speaker 1: this a thousand times. I'm not the first person to
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  Speaker 1: say it. But if you listen to a hidd in Turkey,
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  Speaker 1: a real hid in Turkey. They don't do that. You know,
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  Speaker 1: they're they're very they have a lot of variation and
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  Speaker 1: what they do. And so I started, you know, at first,
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  Speaker 1: the first thing I did to try to change that
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  Speaker 1: up is I was like, all right, I'm gonna yelp
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  Speaker 1: only an odd number of times, Like instead of going
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  Speaker 1: four times, you know, y'all, y'all, y'all, y'all, one to three, four,
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  Speaker 1: I yelp three. You know, I was just trying to
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  Speaker 1: make myself do something different, um, And I think it
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  Speaker 1: made it. Honestly, I think it makes a difference. Just
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  Speaker 1: I think it adds more realism, uh to what you're doing. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: Decoy in if you're hunting somewhere like that place I
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  Speaker 1: hunted where I was going to school. Often times, if
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  Speaker 1: I'm hunting in timber, I won't even use a decoy. Um.
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  Speaker 1: And if I'm open with a lot of timber, and
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  Speaker 1: if I'm in open woods with a turkey can see
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  Speaker 1: a long way, I'll put a decoy out just because
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  Speaker 1: I wouldn't want them to get to a hundred eighty
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  Speaker 1: yards and say I don't see a turkey, I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: turn around. This isn't right. But if I'm hunting in
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  Speaker 1: somewhere that's kind of thicker timber and maybe some younger
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  Speaker 1: stage timber. Uh. Often I won't use a decoy just
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  Speaker 1: because again, like on that public ground, everyone has decoy
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  Speaker 1: is thrown out, and I personally feel like they walk
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  Speaker 1: up sometimes they go I've seen that before, and they
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  Speaker 1: turn around and they leave. Yeah, it makes sense. It
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  Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense. Do you talked about trying
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  Speaker 1: to add some variation to your calling, and that's such
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  Speaker 1: a good point. I realized I'm probably guilty of that
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  Speaker 1: a lot. I've kind of have that track in my mind, like, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: this is the sequence you do, this is how many
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  Speaker 1: times you do it. I like your idea just simply
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  Speaker 1: doing something as simple as changing the number. But I
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  Speaker 1: gotta believe with with all experience you have and then
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  Speaker 1: the guys that you're hanging out with at primost, there's
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  Speaker 1: gotta be some interesting unique ways of calling. Are there
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  Speaker 1: any other things you picked up over the years as
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  Speaker 1: far as ways to just add variation to your calling
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  Speaker 1: sequences or certain little runs or certain I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: if you got tricks in the back pocket that you
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  Speaker 1: pull out when things get tough, anything that comes. Yeah, absolutely,
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  Speaker 1: uh the first one that comes to my mind. And
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  Speaker 1: it's not like a this may not mean like the
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  Speaker 1: most black and white instructional this is a trick, but
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  Speaker 1: it's something I heard Wilberg say all the time, And
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  Speaker 1: the first time I heard him say it, I was like,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not sure what you're saying there. But over time
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  Speaker 1: and just white and hunting with him, I kind of
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  Speaker 1: figured it out. He always he always says, I'm painting
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  Speaker 1: a picture. You know, I'm painting. I'm painting a picture.
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  Speaker 1: He's trying to build a scenario for that turkey. You know,
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  Speaker 1: he's trying to make him you know, and and it
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  Speaker 1: you when you first time you hear, you're like, well,
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  Speaker 1: that's yes, that's you know, you're trying to make him
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  Speaker 1: think there's a hint over there, but you know it's
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  Speaker 1: it will takes that to another level of detail. You know,
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  Speaker 1: he's just not going there as a hen over there.
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  Speaker 1: He's taking it to there's a hen over here. And
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  Speaker 1: right now she's clucking in her and feeding around on
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  Speaker 1: the ground. And now she's assembly helping because she wants
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  Speaker 1: you to come up over here. Now she's cutting at
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  Speaker 1: you because she's excited. Um. As far as just calling variation, again,
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  Speaker 1: the best thing that I that I guess that you
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  Speaker 1: don't hear a lot of people do, and I think
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  Speaker 1: personally adds a ton of realism, is just adding clucks
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  Speaker 1: or cuts into your yelps. You know a lot of
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  Speaker 1: people will yelp and then they'll cut. They won't Yeah yeah,
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  Speaker 1: gott y'all. Yeah, And you hear real hens or at
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  Speaker 1: least down here. I hear hens do that a lot,
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  Speaker 1: you know, not just cutting crazy like you like you
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  Speaker 1: hear on the competition stage, but just yeah, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: got that, y'all. Yeah, yeah, that kind of thing. Um
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  Speaker 1: adds a lot of realism, I feel like, and I
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  Speaker 1: hear I hear will do that a lot. I hear
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  Speaker 1: Brad do that a lot. Uh. Troy is probably one
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  Speaker 1: of the best I've heard of doing that on a
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  Speaker 1: mouth call and sounding super realistic. But yeah, those are
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  Speaker 1: some things. And like you said, from I've been pretty
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  Speaker 1: spoiled as far as the caliber of Turkey hunters I've
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  Speaker 1: been able to hang out with because I've I've been
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  Speaker 1: able to learn a whole whole lot as you can imagine. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you can't. I don't think you can find any better
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  Speaker 1: mentors than that. No, So so let's keep talking calling um.
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  Speaker 1: At the beginning of the day, one of the first
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  Speaker 1: things people are looking at is trying to they hopefully
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  Speaker 1: had a rooster bird, they get in there, they're set up.
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  Speaker 1: There's always this temptation too, to call it birds on
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  Speaker 1: the limb. What what's your take on how or if
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  Speaker 1: you call two birds when they're still roosted. I will
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  Speaker 1: do it um, depending on on the setup UM. And
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  Speaker 1: then quite frankly, like because I can give you a
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  Speaker 1: really good example of that, because like I was, I
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: was telling you um or. I don't know if I've
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: mentioned this before, but I was hunting this morning. I
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: was filming Jordan, who who we worked together at Promos,
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: and he actually shot a turkey this morning that we
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: got on him on the limb. And what we did
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: is basically, I mean we we were able to get
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: get in fairly tight to that turkey while he was
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: still roosted. We've probably got a hundred yards maybe anywhere
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: from a hundred to a hundred twenty yards while he
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: was still in the tree. And we were able to
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: do that because at this point in our season the woods.
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: You know, the spring foliage is pretty much all the
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: way out there, so you've got tons of cover where
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: it's like early season. You know, when we opened, like
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: March fifteen, if you were trying to sneak up on
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: a turkey that close to the limb, good chance you're
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: gonna spots you. But now with all the foliage on
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: the trees, we were able to get pretty tight. But um,
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: what we do often times were set up like that.
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: We will call to him. We'll do everyone knows the
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: term a tree up, you know, just a real soft,
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: hey I'm over here, kind of kind of a call,
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: just to barely even audible. Sometimes just roll um. And
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: that's usually it. I mean, we don't just keep hammering
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: at him because uh, the only other call we will
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: do is like a fly down cackle. Well, you know,
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: get the wing and fly down and as it like
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: a hen's do when they fly down. Uh. But then
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: you don't, I personally know, will not just keep yelping
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: at him. I mean, no one likes to hear a
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: turkey gobble more than I do. But uh, and it's
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: it's very tempted, but it's oh, it's it's I'm so
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: guilty of it. I've done it when I was just
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: started turkey on. There's no telling how many turkeys that
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: I possibly could have killed. That I learned just because
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: I was just sitting there. Let's making them gobble while
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: they were still on the tree limb. But you know,
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: like the for instance, this turkey, the one j Ordan
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: ended up shooting with, that's literally all we did. He
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: got tree up that and he got fly down, cackled,
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: and that is it. And that turkey stayed on the limb,
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: probably thirty to forty minutes later than you would expect
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: the turkey too, just because that's that's how they work
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: in nature, you know. They they hear the hen, they gobble.
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: And he was waiting for that hen to come walking
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: under his tree or walking close to it, and then
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: he pitched out to it. That's that's how he was
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: expecting his morning to go. Uh. But we were able
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: to wait him out, and he pitched down, he gotl
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: and he still took his sweet time getting to us.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: But I think continuing to call him, call at him
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: on the limb like that makes that turkey just even
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: more go. All right, I'm just you know you're over here,
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: I'm supposed to gobble, You're gonna walk you the hen
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: is gonna walk up under the tree. And that's that. Um.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: So yeah, as far as calling to him on the limb,
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: I keep it at a minimum, just just the essentials. Now,
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: what about this scenario. I was listening to an episode
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: of your podcast a while back and you described the
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: morning hunt you went out. I think it was in
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: Mississippi and you were sneaking in on a spot where
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: you thought there might be a bird roosted, and you'll
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: let off an old hoot and the bird guy like
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: forty or fifty yards away, like you're right underneath him.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: Oh man, are you bringing up this negativity? Sort started
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: throw under the bus here? But what what do you
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: do in that scenario when you realize, oh crap, I
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: spooked a bird on the roost um, and and maybe
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: you're in a limited spot. I know a lot of people,
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: if they've got a bunch of landing on public maybe
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: they'll just go somewhere else, obviously, but what if you've
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: got you know, you're stuck on forty, you're stuck on eighty,
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: and you know that you spooked that bird. Maybe he's
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: the only one what do you do? How do you
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: approach it for the rest of the day. So, um
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: that that is an excellent question. Um So if if
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: i'm if that's like, if it's a forty acre piece
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: which I have hunted on before, Uh, that's used to
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: be all I had access to on private land actually,
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: But um, if if it's a small piece and I
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: know of one goblin turkey and I just bumped him
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: off the limb, I'm probably at least gonna at least
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: leave him alone on that morning. I may come back
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: that afternoon if I'm just wanting to hunt, but I'm
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: not gonna keep chasing her. And I'm not gonna sit
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: down right there and start yelping, because again, down here
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: in the South, at least, they're getting hammered so much.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: I mean, I hate to even spook them at all,
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: And which I did. I spooked that one really bad.
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: But um we ended up like we just built like
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: which and that that wasn't a four the acre piece.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: We ended up going to the other side of the
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: property and fooled around there. But as far as those turkeys,
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: they were like, we're leaving these alone. We've done more
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: than more than enough damage. That I wanted to do today.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: So they're they're gone. So if I I spook them
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: that day, I leave them be. And so they ended
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: up being the right decision because they can't you know,
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: they came right back. He was right back in there. Um.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: But just another like I have the best the best
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: advice I can give, or based off of screw ups
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: have made, you know what I mean. So uh, some
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: of the worst like screw ups have done on turkey hunt,
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: their turkey ust that I've blown have been based on
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: like like that turkey in particular, I had no reason
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: to believe that the turkey was roosted where I was
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: headed to find it. I'd like i'd heard him gobbling
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: there when I was scouting, but that wasn't on the limb.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: He was already on the ground, and I'd heard a
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: turkey roost there in the past where I thought he was,
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: and so I just went with, he's gonna be right there.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: And and Jordan's even said to me when we were
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: walking in, he was like, there's a chance he's roosted
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: on the edge of this cutover. I was like, no, man, no,
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: he might be, but he's I bet he's on that
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: ridge and he was not. So when you go making
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: asumpthing like that and getting impulsive, that's when you make
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: mistakes and you know, look really dumb like I did
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: and blow a turkey off the limb. Uh. So, what
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: are what are some of the other mistakes that you've
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: either done yourself or seen from your buddies or folks
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: you're hunting with that have helped you learn something, you know,
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: that kind of illuminated some aha moment. Any others that
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: stand out to you this year, past years that might
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: be helpful. Yeah? Absolutely, um and I'm like I said,
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: I can pull a lot from from this year. Um so. Uh.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: It was that yesterday afternoon we uh Jordan's myself. We
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: I filmed Jimmy Jimmy Primo shoot one kind of place
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: that we had permission to hunt on in the north
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: part of the state, and that turkey. Um. We we
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: knew there was turkeys in the area. We had not
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: heard any goblin hardly at all. We've been hunting there
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: for three days. Solid had had heard hardly any gobbles
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: except for on the roost. But we knew they were there,
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: and so the plan was we were just gonna set
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: up on edges Field and uh, you can call every
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: once in a while. And so we ended up striking
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: a turkey. It's probably about three thirty in the afternoon.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: And this turkey was once he struck, he was he
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: was as you know, as hot as you could want
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: a turkey to be. I mean, you could have yelped
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: to him probably a hundred times when he would have gobbled.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: But Jordan's and this is as far as calling, it's
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: so easy. Who overcall in those situations? Um, Jordan's I
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: think yep. Well, the first time we heard him, he
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: was maybe three hundred yards away, and I think Jordan
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: called a total of three times. He the first time
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: he struck him, he yelped and cut the turkey gobbled.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: He waited a few minutes, he yelped again, turkey gobl
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: He was closer, uh, and then he said, all right,
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: I'm waiting and he literally he pulled out his phone.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: It was like four no, no, no, because it was
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: four it was four or twenty one pm, and he said,
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: if he hasn't gobbled again by four thirty, I'll call again.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: I think it was like four twenty seven. The turkey
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: gobbles again on his own and he's a hundred and
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: fifty yards closer, and we're like, okay, he's coming. So
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: in contrast, I've seen several hunts like that, the turkey
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: starts gobbling, the hunter just starts pouring it to him,
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: just on the turkey's gobling his goblins goblin. And then
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: you're in the same situation that you are when the
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: turkeys on the limb and you're roosting. The turkey's off
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: there where he's at that afternoon, and you're steady calling
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: to him, and he's going, okay, i'll gobble. I'm right
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: here where he at. And then oftentimes he never shows up.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: He just stands right Darren, God was waiting on you
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: to come to him. And so, um, mistakes overcalling can
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: can definitely be one of those. Is probably one of
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: the most common ones. Uh. And then other than that
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: is probably just getting too aggressive. We know turkeys can
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: see very very well and they can hear very very well,
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: but we let that seem to slip our mind thatt
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: at convenient times and you end up trying to get
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: too close and you bump them. That's that's a very
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: common one. Um. Yeah, there's there's a million ways to
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: mess up a turkey hunt. Yeah, I guess that's why
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: it keeps us coming back, right, It's not. It's always
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: a new puzzle to try to figure out each day. Yeah,
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: what about something you mentioned that Jordan did and and
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: maybe you already answered the question because you described how
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: he did this, but I'm curious if you ever think
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: about it differently. It's that that question of Okay, I
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: realized I shouldn't call too much, but how do I
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: then choose one I should? So he said, Okay, it's
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: it's whatever time twenty one on, I'll call again. So
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: he said, okay, nine minutes. But how do you think
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: through when the right time is to do it? Are
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: there any I'm just kind of curious about your thought
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: process there. How you make sure that you have some
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: kind of guidance. Yeah, it's man, Honestly, it's just sitting
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: down to turkeys and working in turkeys, just the reption, repetition,
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: and you kind of I know this may sound kind
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: of vague, but you kind of just get a feel
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: for it. Um Whereas like especially like the turkey that
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: was struck yesterday afternoon, Oftentimes, if you strike a turkey
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: like that and then he starts answering like he did
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: and then gobbles on his own. Chances are you don't
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: have to call at him anymore, you know. And then
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: especially I think I heard an old timer say at
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: one time, he said, never yet up to a turkey
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: that's walking to you, you know, like Collins Collins, for
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: the sake of letting you know I'm here. And then
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: you're hoping that you can pique his interest enough that
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: he'll that he'll come, you know, because like the common
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: saying is true, the way supposed to go in the
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: natural world is he gobbles and the hen comes to him.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: So um, like if it what will cause it? Taking
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: a turkey's temperature, Like if I have to pull a
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: gobble out of a turkey. And what I mean by
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: that is like if I yelp and nothing, you know,
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: if I say, if yelp nothing, if I yelp and
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: then cluck nothing, And maybe if I yelp and cut
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: and still nothing, And then if I just cut really
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: aggressively and he gobbles, then he's probably not all that
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: fired up. So I'm you know, I'm either gonna slow
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: play him or or it just depends on the turkey.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: If he's answering everything, and he's steadily closing distance, then
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: I'll set the call down. But if he's just answering
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: every once in a while, then I'll call a few times,
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: let him answer. Then i'll give him five ten minutes,
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: and then I'll call again and see where he's at.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: And sometimes it's just a matter of you're not in
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: a place that he wants to be, and you have
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: to get up and move. Sometimes that moves only a
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: hundred yards, but it's enough for him to go, oh,
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: that hands over there, you know I wanted to go
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: there anyway, and then it works. Um. But really it's
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: just a matter of repetition and sitting down to turkeys
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: and you just kind of get a feel for what
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: they want to do and what they want to hear
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: and when they want to hear it. And I'm no,
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: I'm no expert at it. Like I said, I'm I'm
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: I'm The success that I have comes from several a
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: lot more error than success. That's that's the recipe I
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: think for any eventual success is just screwing up enough
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: and learning as you go. Turkey hunting is a is
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: a win, some lose. Most kind of sport, yes, that's
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: that's the truth. So what about what about the scenarios
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: outlined there where you take a turkey's temperature and he's
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: not coming in. He'll answer every once in a while,
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: but he's out there. He's hung up. He is making
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: his presence known, but he just won't close the distance.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: You described one, uh possible option, which is to get
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: up and move. Can you can you walking through either
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: some more detail on that or anything else you'll do
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: to try to break a hung up bird? Sure? Um,
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: so several times, like I can think of a hunt
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: we were on and we were just we struck this turkey.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: And when when we struck him, we first heard him gobble.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: We were standing in a small food plot and the
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: food plot kind of fell off into a bottom, this
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: big pretty hard woods and uh, the turkey the bottom
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: kind of pilled off and then there was a ridge. Um,
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: and the ridge that was you know, ran close to
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: this food plot we were in, but it didn't connect
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: to it, you know, So the turkey just wasn't gonna easily,
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: you know, walk the ridge that he was on and
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: then pop out in the food plot. He would have
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: to walk at amount of ways and bail off get
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: into the bottom then walk out into the food plot,
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: and he came. You know, he walked down the ridge
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: a certain amount of ways, but it became very obvious
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: he would answer us, but he was like, I'm not
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: leaving this ridge. You know, that's just where he wanted
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: to be. And you'll you'll find that, you know, especially um,
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: if a turkey is in a spot like it's a
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: big pretty spot, he might be in there just strutting
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: and drumming and and gobling and doing his thing, and
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: he's just kind of a lot of times we just
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: say he's in his happy place, you know, he's not.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: He's where he wants to be. That's probably where he
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: goes to goblin, drum and attract hands and then he
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: goes from there. So what my move there would be is,
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm I'm gonna give that food plot a
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: few minutes to see if he will break and come.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: But after a while I'm gonna find a way to
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: slip off into that bottom and try to get on
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: the same ridge with him, you know, because the I've
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: found the most success that I have and calling in
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: turkeys is if I put myself in a position where
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: he does not mind going, or if he's somewhere that
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: he already wants to be. The calling job gets a
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: lot easier if if you're somewhere that he already wants
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: to go. Yeah, it makes a lot of sense, uh anything,
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: And this is I don't know, this is pretty common sense,
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: I guess. But when it comes to sneak it in
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: on turkeys, right, making those moves so many times, that's
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: when a hunt gets blown, Right, it's when he decided
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: to make a move in those damn eyes they have,
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: they pick you off. Anything you've had, anything you've learned
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: about sneaking in change positions successfully? Yeah, absolutely, uh. And
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: again it comes from trial and error, because I have
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: spooked a pile of them in my younger days. Um So,
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: for instance, like the the scenario was talking about there,
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: the food plot at the bottom and the ridge. Uh,
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: you know, especially if it's you know, an earlier season,
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: which that one I'm talking about, particularly, it was still
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: fairly early in the season, so the woods are way open.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: So the easiest and the quickest way to walk is
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: just bail off that food plot, getting the bottom and
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: walk to that turkey. But you know, obviously, right, if
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: that happens from walking through a wide open bottom and
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: he's the top of the ridge looking down, He's gonna
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: see me, and then you're gonna sit there going quite
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: he quit goblin. Well he saw me, you know. So
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: I'll oftentimes I've found, unless you're hunting somewhere that has
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: a lot of topography, um, which this place, you know,
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: it really didn't. I mean like you had that ridge,
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: but that to get to that turkey, um that you
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: have to Oftentimes you have to take either the more
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: difficult ways or the longer ways to get yourself in
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: a better position. Um Like oftentimes we'll back straight out,
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: you know, or I'm I'm I say not. Oftentimes in
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: that situation you back straight out, you kind of get
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: on the same You get where that ridge is and
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: you getta get on the side of it, and then
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: you just try to put as much cover between you
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: and him and just kind of slow intentional moves, you know, uh,
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: where you're not just walking in the wide open I've
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: found that not even just having them see you, but
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: walking really loud, you know, crunching leaves and sticks draws
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: as much at because they got really good ears too.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: So and another another thing that helps a lot. I've
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: seen a lot of steaks, and it's like they have
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: locked in their mind the last time I heard him,
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: God was here, and so you just think he's still
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: right there in that exact same spot when he I mean,
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: he could be close. And so a lot of times
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: what we'll do is either we won't necessarily yelp to him,
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: Uh we will if we have to, but if he can,
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: if he's fired up enough where he'll answer a crow
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: or even an owl, hoot, because that that's a lot
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: of folks think you can only al hoot and get
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: him to gobble in the morning, allow hoot all throughout
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: the day and still and still have success with it.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: And they're not thinking it's a turkey. They're just gobbling
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: that out. So if you can keep that turkey gobbling
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: and keep a reference to him, then you can go
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: all right, I can get you know, this thicket right
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: here between me and him, and I can gain another
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: hundred yards and keep that, you know, keep that blocking
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: me so I know he won't see me. That kind
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: of just kind of taking your time. How frequently do
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: you think you can do that without some kind of
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: risk of maybe there's not a risk. But how frequently
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: will you do that owl hoot to try to check location?
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: Is that every five minutes? Is that every hundred yards?
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: Is it? I don't know. How do you think about
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: those checkens? Yeah, that that's a good question because you
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: definitely don't want to just be like or you know,
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: I mean, uh so every five minutes, it's is probably fine. Um.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: And because like you can't overdo it. I mean, at
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: some point you have to think the turkey's going why
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: is that al hooting so much flying towards me? You know?
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: But uh, you know, and sometimes if you get lucky
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: and he's just gobbling on his own, but those are
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: you know, near and far between. But yeah, probably if
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: you're doing it every five minutes, you're fine. Um. And
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: I'm not talking about like getting just crazy with your
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: alcohol either, just a you know a lot of times
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: you'll hear an al just let out a singular note.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: Just that's usually what we go with first. Um. And
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: if we do that, you know, if we get him
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: to answer us twice and he's in the same spot
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: every time, then you know, well you you try to
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: you use it, uh, I guess that you're on discretion,
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: you know, because you, like you said, you're not trying
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: to overdo it, but just enough that you can kind
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: of keep him pegged and still keep moving. So every
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: five minutes is probably fairly safe to say. Yeah, I
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: heard you talk to I think it was Jordan's once
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: about how every hunter, for most hunters have got that
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: one call that when nothing else is working, that will
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: draw to gobble. There's something there seems to be those
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: those certain box calls or certain different things that when
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: you really got to get one when they're not shocked,
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: goblin too, the owl, whatever it is you're saying, all
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: right and put on a pull at old Trustee and
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: then do X Y and Z on it and damn it,
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: that's gonna get us a gobble. What is that for you?
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: Or have you seen anything that commonly is okay when
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: you really need one, try this? Yeah. Um, So oftentimes
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: when you like you have, like we a lot of
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: times we call him a gobble puller. You know that.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: I mean that because well you hear it down here
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: a lot again redneck terminology. But then you said, man,
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: that that calls a gobble puller, And uh, often times
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: it's a box call and it's not not only a
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: box call, but it's got a it's a box call
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: that's got a real, real sharp high front end and
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: then it falls off really hard on the back end,
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: just a real sharp yelp. Just yea. And um, what's
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: been doing it for us is, Uh, there's a it's
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: called the Tall Timber Gabriel. And it's no surprise why
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: that call works so well. It's like a it's a
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: like a Will Primo's design to the core, like you
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: think he he kept that call of secret for a
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: few years and was working on it and got it
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: the way that he liked it. Um, but that call
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: and it sounds a lot like the Premo has had
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: a box call a couple of years ago. It's called
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: the Heartbreaker and that was one of the most popular
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: calls that that they had at the time. It was
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: way before I worked here, and uh, it was kind
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: of The Tall Timber Gabriel is kind of based off
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: that call. But it's got like these Will wanted to
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: have thumb grews. We could cut on it easier. And
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: often times when it's worked for us this spring and
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: springs in the past, as you'll get that that box
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: call and you'll yelp on it really hard. His four
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: notes just out and then cut on it. So it's
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: like yeah, yeah, yeah, gotta and that we'll pull a
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: gobble out of a turkey on in the most dire
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: of situations. It's it's mind blowing, like I've I've seen
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: it in certain situations, like it'll be up in the morning,
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: nothing's really gobbling. You're like, all right, where do we
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: go from here? Maybe let's try to strike one. Someone
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: will yelp with their mouth call and nothing. Someone will
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: yelp with their slate call and nothing. And then Jordan
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: will pull out that tall timber Yeah, yeah, yeah, gott
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: dot ball and you're like, where has that turkey been?
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: You know, it's just I don't know what it is.
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: Just something about that frequency makes some gobble. Yeah, just
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: getting a little nasty with it. Sometimes just gets yeah. Yeah.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: The first turkey I killed this spring, we had heard
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: him gobble. We made a move towards him. Um, I
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: al hooted nothing. I mean, and again, this is up
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: in the day. This is probably don't I know it
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: was later than eight am. I al hoo did nothing.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: Wait a little bit, I got out my slate, I
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: yelped nothing. I cut and yelped on my slate nothing in.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: Jordan said, you want to hit him with the top timber.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: I said, yes, so I take the camera pointed him.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: He pulls out that box call, yelps off nothing. Then
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: he does the hard yelp and cut got got cotton
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: turkey gobbles. I was like, thank you for doing that. Yeah.
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: Speaking of speaking of using Jordan's box call, I've also
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: seen you guys do some calling in tandem working off.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: Can you can you talk a little bit about what
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: you're thinking about when you're doing that kind of thing
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: or some something I've done the past. I know a
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: lot of guys do it too. Is sometimes you'll have
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: a buddy to do the walk away and call while
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: leaving some up front. Are there any other ways that
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: you kind of tag team turkeys and that kind of
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: fashion or can you describe more detail behind you do that?
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: The probably the one of the most lethal ways that
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: doing what you're doing. And honestly, I don't get to
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: use this tactic very much just because when you're filming
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: and stuff, it doesn't it doesn't work that well because
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: you can get yourself in a sential ation really quick
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: where you're like, oh crap, everybody sit down, and when
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: you're dealing with camera equipment and just sometimes it was
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: fast set ups just don't work to your advantage. But um, yeah,
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: Jordan and I are not with me and George because
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: we hunt together a lot. We'll yell back and forth
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: to each other. And again it's kind of that same
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: situation I was talking about with Wilber where you're trying
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: to paint a picture. Well, I mean if the turkey
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: gets kind of excited and there's one hen, well, all
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: of a sudden, you start cutting back and forth at
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: each other like it's two hens kind of arguing or
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: they're excited, then that can make that turkey very excited
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: because he's going, oh goodness, there's two of them over there.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: And so I've had that work and break a turkey
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: that was hung up several times. But one of my
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: favorite things to do when you're kind of calling in tandem,
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: um and I was able to do it this year
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: in Alabama. I was down there just fun hunting. We
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: weren't filming or anything, um is we will walk to
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: the turkey. And again, this is in Thicker Woods Foliage
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: had some topography We're not just walking through wide open
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: flat timber, you know. Um, but we were moving towards
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: the turkey, and we were calling at him as we
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: were moving. And what just to kind of frame that
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: up to be more specific, kind of tell what I'm seeing,
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: what I'm talking about, is so there was me, uh,
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: and then there's the other guy that was calling, probably
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: walking twenty yards ahead of me, and we're just kind
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: of sound. We were trying to just sound like two
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: hens walk into the woods moving to these goblin turkeys.
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: And why I think that works so well is again
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: that's is that's how how that's supposed to play out
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: in nature. That you the turkey gobbles and the hen
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: goes to him. So as we're walking towards him, you know,
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: I would cluck and yell and then he would answer me,
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: I mean just now, And then twenty yards ahead, he'd
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: yelped back at me, and turkeys would gobble. And then
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: we as we got closer, we got a little bit
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: more excited. I would yelp harder, and he would yelp,
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: y'all harder at me. The turkeys are goblin more. And
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: then finally, one time, um, I yelped and cut and
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: he yelped back at me and the turkey's gobble and
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: they're a hundred yards away. We were like, crap, gotta
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: sit down. We sat down and then probably, I mean honestly,
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: probably less than ten minutes later the turkeys were dead.
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: But that is a lethal, lethal method when it's used correctly,
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: because again it's it's it's all about adding realism. And
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: when that gobler, goblin turkey is hearing these hands make
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: his way to him, he's thinking, all is right in
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: the world, you know, So that's that can work very well. Yeah.
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: I like that. I like this overall theme of of
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: painting that picture and how you can do that with
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: the calls, how you can do that with your movement
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: um and I think you can probably do that in
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: a literal sense, in the sort of way with decoys,
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: which we haven't really talked at all about. Can you
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: can you tell me just a little bit about what
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: you do to take those decoys to the next level,
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: Like we know the standard put a couple of decoys
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: out and you know, we don't need to talk about
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: the basics, but how do you paint that most realistic
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: picture with their decoys? Are there any little tricks that
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: you've learned to just to ramp it up a little
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: bit or add some realism or anything like that. Sure. Um,
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: So if you're hunting in an open setting, um, and
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: you know a lot of times I'll use jake decoy
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: a lot. Um. I'll often use a Jake decoy more
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: than I would even a strutter. Um. And as far
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: as like adding realism and and getting you know, a
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: long beard a gobbler to close if you will put
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: like we have that um um um gob stopper Jack
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: how I'm how am I forgetting the name so gob
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: stopper Jake. But it's just a half struck Jake decoy right, um.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: And we take a hin and kind of put her
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: in a breeder position down on the ground and put
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: him where he's standing over her. You want to talk
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: about a turkey, you know, turning inside out to get
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: over to you that that works? Which again that's no,
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: that's no big secret. Um. As far as like, uh,
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: what we'll do is I've talked, you know about using
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: decoys in the timber. Sometimes I do. Sometimes I don't. Um.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: One thing that I will do if I am hunting
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: the timber, I will say I hardly ever use a
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: gobbler decoy. When I say at gobbler decoy, I mean
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: of of any degree of jake construt or anything. If
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: I'm using the decoy up in the timber, it's usually
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: just alone. Hen and uh, what I'll do oftentimes as
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: far as just the standard like put it out in
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: front of you and hope the turkey comes up to
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: it where it's twenty yards away. Is um just a
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: trick I guess is if you're if you're caught up
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: in a setup that's kind of open, you know, where
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: you're like, I have to sit here, but I'm not
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: so sure about it because I feel kind of exposed.
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: Is you can take that decoy and still put it
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: to where you know, if the turkey comes to it,
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: he's You're it's in a position where you can very
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: easily shoot at it. But I won't put it directly
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: in line with myself, you know what I'm saying. So
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: the turkey, if he's looking at the decoy from the
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: way that I think he's gonna approach, he's not. He's
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: not able to look right over the decoy and see
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: me sitting there. Maybe I may be put it off
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: to the left a little bit or off to the right,
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: just to where if he comes in and he's focused
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: on that decoy, he's also his his line of view
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: that he's focused on will not include you know, the
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: big green gorilla sitting by the tree. That's a good
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: that's a good point. That's a good point. Do you
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: add any movement. I know some guys will have a
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: fan with them. I think I've heard you mentioned using
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: this in the past. Will have a fan, will hold
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: up every once in a while. Do you do that
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: or anything like it? Yes, rarely in the woods, rarely
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: in the woods. Um and in open settings absolutely, I've again,
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: I know there's some guys that think, you know, fan
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: of turkeys is you know or is a sinful way
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: to kill a turkey? You know, whatever, I do it, uh,
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: I have no problem with doing it. Uh So we
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: have used it in the woods before, like if you know,
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: sometimes long beer, he'll get to eighty yards or so
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: and he just kind of won't close. We'll try to
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: stick the fan up and just show it to him.
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: We've had that work before, and we've had it. We've
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: had it work. We've had it where they don't like
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: it and turn going to leave. And then we've had
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: them where they definitely see the fan and just doesn't
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: change their demeanor at all. Um. As far as a
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: fan working, I've seen strutter decoys and fan in turkeys
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: work a whole lot better in an open type setting
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: like out in the field or a food plot or
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: a power line. Um. But yeah, I sometimes we'll have
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: like just a hen out the same kind of thing.
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: He can see the hen, but he's way across the
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: field or way down the power line or whatever. And
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: then you show him that fan several times. That can
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: be enough to break them and make them come in awesome. Well,
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: I will tell you something like you have officially gotten
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: me very excited for tomorrow morning because it is opening
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: date tomorrow morning for me in Michigan. And and like
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: I mentioned, I'm not gonna shoot one. I'm just gonna
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: go out there and try to play with them, I guess.
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: But I'm gonna get out there nonetheless and uh and
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: have some fun with it. So thank you for doing this.
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: And I enjoyed it. I enjoyed it very much. Yeah,
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: me too. We're where can people see what you guys
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: are up to? I know, you've got videos, podcasts, everything.
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: Where can people follow on that content? Yeah, so obviously
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: we have we have Instagram, uh, Premos Hunting on Instagram.
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: I have my personal page, which I'm pretty easy to find,
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: just because you know, late Pickle is not the most
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: common of names. And thank my thank my parents for
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: that one. But um, and then so we have our
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: YouTube channel. But then the coolest thing that we have
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: right going going on right now our Premos is we
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: have a new web series. You know, for the longest
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: time it was you know, the Primos Truth DVDs and
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: we still have the show on Outdoor channel, but we
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: have a uh web series that we're updating every week
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: that can be found on premos dot com. And it's
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: like like the turkey that Jordan's shot this morning will
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: most likely be uploaded for free for everyone to watch
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: it premo dot com next Tuesday, I think, but if
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: it's not yet, so we we're uploading new hunts on
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: there every Tuesday and Thursday. It's good stuff. I've I've
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: been checking it out and you guys doing a great job,
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: so I appreciate it up and good luck with the
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: rest of Turkey Hunts. Thank you man. I appreciate that.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: Thank you for let me come on. I'm a huge
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: fan of Wired to Hunt. You do a good job.
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: Thank you for that. Let's stay in touch. Yeah, man,
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: absolutely all right, and that is a rap. Thank you
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: all for tuning in. I hope you enjoyed this one.
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: If you're like me, I'm fired up already to go.
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: Like I just said, I'm ready to get out there
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: and do some turkey hunting. So best of luck on
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: your upcutting hunts. I hope you have a great time
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: out there, be safe, be well. I'm I'm hoping for
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: all the best for all of you. I hope you're healthy,
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: hope your family is healthy, and that you're getting through
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: these tough times. So until next time, we will talk
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: to you soon and stay Wired to Hunt.