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Another Tampa serial killer victim! Dad dead after teens toss rocks onto road; Vet dies as nurses laugh · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace on Sirius XM Triumph Channel
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Speaker 1: one thirty two. Tampa police on the hunt for a
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Speaker 1: killer after the shooting gats of three people in ten days.
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Speaker 1: We will hunt this son of a down until we
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Speaker 1: find the three victims gunned down less than half a
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Speaker 1: mile apart. Tampa's mayor doing what he can to reassure
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Speaker 1: the public so that they've added a thousand street lights
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Speaker 1: to the Seminal Heights neighborhood and that they won't stop
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Speaker 1: until that killer is caught. Nobody comes into our house
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Speaker 1: and does this, Not now, Not every authorities poring over,
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Speaker 1: bringing surveillance video for clues, looking at this person of
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Speaker 1: interest walking alone, wearing a hood on the night of
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Speaker 1: the first killing. I need that Seminar Heights community to
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Speaker 1: stand up, and I need them to point out who
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Speaker 1: that man is. You guys, go hunt him down and
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Speaker 1: bring his head to me. A fourth slaying, a fourth murder,
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Speaker 1: is stoking fear across a Tampa, Florida neighborhood. They Tampa
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Speaker 1: seial killer. Many people thought he had just gone away.
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Speaker 1: Not so in the last hours he strikes again, gunning
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Speaker 1: down a man in plane sight. I Nancy Grace, this
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Speaker 1: is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. I
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Speaker 1: want to go straight out to w f l a's
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Speaker 1: meridisin Culo, who was on the scene of the shooting
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Speaker 1: of the fourth murder attributed to the Tampa Cereal killer
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Speaker 1: within minutes literally of the slaying. Meridisin Ciolo, what can
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Speaker 1: you tell us? So, the shots were called in about
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Speaker 1: four fifty one UM Seminal Heights, still highly saturated with
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Speaker 1: law enforcement officers even though there's been no attacks in
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Speaker 1: over a month now. So officers were on scene within
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Speaker 1: a minute of the shooting. They found sixty year old
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Speaker 1: Donald Felton laying in the middle of the road. Mr.
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Speaker 1: Felton had arrived early for a shift volunteering actually at
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Speaker 1: a church UH shelter where they feed the homeless, and
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Speaker 1: he was there. He would volunteer twice a week and
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Speaker 1: he was arriving early to get that set up. UM.
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Speaker 1: Witnesses say that he had crossed the road UM perhaps
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Speaker 1: to talk to somebody, maybe greeting someone who was also
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Speaker 1: arriving UH, and that someone came up behind him and
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Speaker 1: shot and ran off UM. There was at least one
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Speaker 1: witness to this who was able to get probably the
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Speaker 1: best witness description we've had so far. Uh. It does
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Speaker 1: appear to coincide with what we saw on the surveillance
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Speaker 1: video from the first murder. UH. Tampa police tell us
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Speaker 1: they are investigating this and consider it to be in
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Speaker 1: relation to the previous murders. They are still not giving
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Speaker 1: us any information in terms of ballistics. I did specifically
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Speaker 1: ask about that. Those are things that they are not
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Speaker 1: talking about at this point. But Mr Felton was dead
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Speaker 1: on the scene again sixty years old. Um, and this
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Speaker 1: person who killed him, same emo, came out of nowhere,
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Speaker 1: it was dark shot and killed him, uh mirror a
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Speaker 1: bus stop and and made off into the neighborhood. And
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Speaker 1: SWAT teams have been searching house to house and this
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Speaker 1: person is nowhere to be found. Um. There was one
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Speaker 1: additional piece of information that I thought was interesting. I've
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Speaker 1: not heard Tampa police say this before, and perhaps your
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Speaker 1: experts can determine if this is relevant or not. But
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Speaker 1: Police Chief Dugan said that he is asking anyone with
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Speaker 1: the firearm of any kind to go and look and
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Speaker 1: make sure that that firearm is still where they believe
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Speaker 1: it is. So to me, I haven't heard that from
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Speaker 1: him before. So that may indicate, um, you know, a
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Speaker 1: stolen weapon, somebody using someone's weapon without their knowledge. Again,
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Speaker 1: your experts can probably speak to that if that's normal
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Speaker 1: or not. But I have not heard that from the
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Speaker 1: police chiefs. But um, Chief Dugan, our mayor Uh, they
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Speaker 1: were on scene within minutes, uh and very concerned. And
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Speaker 1: um there has been an all out search trying to
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Speaker 1: find this person and still nothing has been well, you know,
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Speaker 1: it reeks of desperation when the police are actually running
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Speaker 1: door to door searching for the killer or searching for evidence.
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Speaker 1: It would be a huge breakthrough for us to know
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Speaker 1: details on ballistics such as the AMMO, whether they have
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Speaker 1: connected the bullets from the other three victims to this bullet.
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Speaker 1: It's very easy to do, is it not? With me?
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Speaker 1: Is of course w f l a's meritis sinceulo, but
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Speaker 1: psychoanalyst Dr Bethany Marshall, high profile lawyer Troy Slayton, Joseph
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Speaker 1: Scott Morgan, forensics expert professor at Jacksonville State University, and
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Speaker 1: syndicated talk show host Dave mac Joseph's got Morgan, very
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Speaker 1: very easy to make a ballistics comparison, so we know
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Speaker 1: once and for all, this is the same guy. I mean,
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Speaker 1: the similarities are overwhelming. Once again, just like the other
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Speaker 1: three victims he approaches. The killer approaches a lone victim
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Speaker 1: walking in the dark. The others were in the evening.
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Speaker 1: This is in the very early morning hours. What's this guy,
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Speaker 1: the killer doing up at four a m. Already in
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Speaker 1: place stalking a victim. The victim in this case was
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Speaker 1: en route to the new season Apostolic ministries where he
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Speaker 1: helped feed the homeless Tuesday and Thursday rain or shine.
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Speaker 1: So he takes down a living saint, somebody that is
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Speaker 1: out doing good, doesn't care who was victim is, shoots him.
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Speaker 1: I guarantee you, with the same weapon, same type of
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Speaker 1: m O. And it's within the same, very same neighborhood,
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Speaker 1: Seminole Heights. Joseph Scott Morgan. Yeah, I think, uh, this
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Speaker 1: is kind of interesting, Nancy. He's changed up the m
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Speaker 1: O a bit. As you mentioned, the time of day
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Speaker 1: in which this is perpetrated still dark. In addition, in
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Speaker 1: addition to that, I think that what's very interesting about
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Speaker 1: this is that we have witness statements. Now, uh, not
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Speaker 1: just he wasn't he didn't just simply shoot this person
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Speaker 1: in the singular. There were five shots that were fired.
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Speaker 1: From an evidentry standpoint, that's significant because if it was
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Speaker 1: a semi automatic weapon, we've got brass that's being ejected.
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Speaker 1: We can recover that. This is one interesting thing as well.
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Speaker 1: This was a panicked type of event where he fired
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Speaker 1: bam bam, bam, bam bam. Witnesses state that they saw
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Speaker 1: the individual not walk away but run away from the location. Uh,
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Speaker 1: it wasn't like he walked away calmly got in a car,
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Speaker 1: not to draw attention to himself. He ran away from
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Speaker 1: the location after firing five shots. Why would he fire
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Speaker 1: five shots at one person that he was approaching from
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Speaker 1: the rear? Uh? I find that very very interesting. A
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Speaker 1: killer is talking the city of Tampa as we speak
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Speaker 1: with me, Meridith Sincelo, Bethany Marshall, Troyce Layton, Joe's got Morgan,
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Speaker 1: Dave mac to Dr Bethany Marshall psycho and was joining
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Speaker 1: me out of l A. It reminds me of the
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Speaker 1: days when I would be going to d C Washington,
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Speaker 1: d C on a nightly basis to work on the
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Speaker 1: Larry King Show, and it was in the height of
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Speaker 1: the DC stalker scenario. And police were working desperately to
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Speaker 1: connect the victims because if they could connect the victims,
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Speaker 1: say they all went to the same school, or they
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Speaker 1: all lived in the same community, or there's some connection
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Speaker 1: that would help them find the killer. There was no
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Speaker 1: connection of that nature. Dr Bethany, there was no connection
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Speaker 1: that I was just thinking about that when Joe Scott
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Speaker 1: was talking about the fact that this guy's sixty years old.
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Speaker 1: The perpetrator around it behind him shot multiple times that
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Speaker 1: this perpetrator is more interested in killing than in carefully
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Speaker 1: selecting his victims. So with serial killers, one of the
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Speaker 1: things we see is that they select their victims very carefully,
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Speaker 1: because looking for a victim is part of the whole
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Speaker 1: ritual of killing. This guy doesn't seem to have Although
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Speaker 1: he is technically a serial killer, because he's killing in
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Speaker 1: some serial fashion, the symbolism of who the victim is
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Speaker 1: doesn't seem to be that important. It seems to the
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Speaker 1: crimes that seems to be more organized around opportunity, the
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Speaker 1: time of day, doing it quickly. I sort of had
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Speaker 1: this mental image of somebody who's trying to work up
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Speaker 1: his courage, is in some kind of a frenzy all
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Speaker 1: night long. And has to do it before the sun rises,
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Speaker 1: kind of has to get it out of his system. Um,
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Speaker 1: and then he goes back to maybe um thinking about it,
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Speaker 1: thinking about it, fantasizing about it, and then the urge
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Speaker 1: to kill kind of erupts again. Quote the family is
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Speaker 1: just torn. The family is taking it quote real hard.
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Speaker 1: That is Mr. Felton's brother James, as he speaks about
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Speaker 1: the untimely death of his brother who was in and
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Speaker 1: out to feed the homeless early in the morning at
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Speaker 1: a m we're crossing the road. He is gunned down dead,
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Speaker 1: we now believe by the Tampa serial killer. The description
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Speaker 1: of the purp is a black mail six ft to
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Speaker 1: six ft two, thin build, light skin complexion, armed with
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Speaker 1: a large black pistol, wearing all black clothing. And to me,
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Speaker 1: Troy Slayton, high profile defense attorney out of l A,
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Speaker 1: the all black clothing to me is a psychological clue.
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Speaker 1: You know these criminals that kind of dress up for
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Speaker 1: their crime, you know, they put on a ninja outfit. Seriously,
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Speaker 1: I've watched video of home invaders that were dressed like Ninja's.
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Speaker 1: Here's the guy that gets totally decked out, like you
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Speaker 1: know in the Missy Beaver's case, Troy Slayton, the guy
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Speaker 1: gets dressed up or the person gets dressed up in
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Speaker 1: SWAT tactical gear. This guy is decked out for a
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Speaker 1: serial killing for his fourth victim. Like Dr Bethany Marshall said,
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Speaker 1: somewhat of a ritual. He's playing the part, the part,
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Speaker 1: the role as he sees it, Yeah, as a serial
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Speaker 1: killer would dress. He is planning this very carefully, Troy,
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Speaker 1: even though his victims are not connected. Well, that would
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Speaker 1: certainly be the argument that prosecutors will make Nancy as
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Speaker 1: he attempts if he's ever caught to a certain insanity defense,
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Speaker 1: because if he is taking all these steps, then that
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Speaker 1: would seem to cut right at the heart of the
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Speaker 1: defense of him not being able to tell right from wrong,
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Speaker 1: not being able to appreciate the wrongfulness of the acts.
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Speaker 1: And I think it's also important to note that the
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Speaker 1: police have offered a dollar reward that really helps to encourage,
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Speaker 1: but to bring people out of the woodwork if they
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Speaker 1: have any information about this horrific killer, you know, dot
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Speaker 1: hold on, Dr Bethany, let me go back to Merits
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Speaker 1: since ulo who's joining me from w f l A.
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Speaker 1: She was at the scene of the murder. Almost immediately
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Speaker 1: you're hearing our conversation, Meredith, what what more can you
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Speaker 1: tell us? Well, I know, Lawn for since very frustrated.
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Speaker 1: UM a meeting plan for Tuesday night to address concerns
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Speaker 1: in the community, to talk about any leads that they
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Speaker 1: had to again call for any information, to bring everybody
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Speaker 1: up to speed on where the investigation. UM. They've been.
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Speaker 1: They've been asking for leads. You know, please keep sharing
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Speaker 1: that video that we saw from the night of the
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Speaker 1: first shooting when Benjamin Mitchell Mitchell was killed. They do
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Speaker 1: seem to be very confident that all four murders are related. UM.
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Speaker 1: Mainly again because of the way these attacks happened. UM.
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Speaker 1: Chief Dugan didn't didn't put a whole lot of weight
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Speaker 1: on the fact that this was in the morning versus
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Speaker 1: at night, UM, because again, you know, early morning, late
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Speaker 1: at night near these bus stops, it's dark. Very similar there. Also,
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Speaker 1: they seemed to feel that the method in which this occurred,
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Speaker 1: UM was very similar to the first crime scene. UM.
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Speaker 1: You know our mayor he told me, he said, you know,
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Speaker 1: I don't want to have to tell another family member that,
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Speaker 1: you know, someone has died in cold blood and that's
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Speaker 1: exactly what happened with Brownie Felton. UM. So we have
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Speaker 1: had a PF on the ground here, FBI on the
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Speaker 1: ground here since the beginning, but we really saw those
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Speaker 1: heightened UM SWAT teams going in uh door to door.
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Speaker 1: A colleague of mine actually secured some video from a
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Speaker 1: monitoring device inside one of the homes, one of those
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Speaker 1: devices that goes on your peephole, that actually shows the
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Speaker 1: SWAT team member standing on their front porch knocking. UM.
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Speaker 1: So people are here are getting frustrated though, you know,
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Speaker 1: they really are they UM. They can't walk a block
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Speaker 1: without being stopped uh and questioned by law enforcement, which
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Speaker 1: is what makes it all the more frustrating that the
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Speaker 1: person that needs to be questioned, UM isn't you know.
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Speaker 1: We still don't know. But in terms of additional information,
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Speaker 1: I was there on the scene within an hour. I
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Speaker 1: was out there all day long, UM, the crime scene
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Speaker 1: text for their UM until you know, midday UM doing
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Speaker 1: their investigation and gathering evidence. UM. And at this point
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Speaker 1: there does not seem to be anything further except for
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Speaker 1: that witness description tends to coincide with the video that
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Speaker 1: we've seen from the first murder in which we saw
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Speaker 1: somebody walking down the road casually looking at his phone
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Speaker 1: and then within minutes of or seconds of the shots
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Speaker 1: being fired, running the opposite direction. That person appeared to
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Speaker 1: be a slender person was described as perhaps looking like
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Speaker 1: a lighter skin um African American or somebody with that complexion.
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Speaker 1: And so there are those similarities, um. And and you know,
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Speaker 1: unfortunately that's you know, little pieces of the puzzle. Um.
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Speaker 1: But we don't have the puzzle solved. Just a moment,
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Speaker 1: I want to jump in and ask Dr Bethany's something.
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Speaker 1: It seems like after the other three murders there was
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Speaker 1: a heightened awareness for about seventy two hours and everybody
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Speaker 1: was lulled back into I was surprised by that. To Nancy,
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Speaker 1: and also what Meredith is saying that people were a
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Speaker 1: little annoyed at being questioned or as they're walking down
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Speaker 1: the street. I would think people would be relieved that
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Speaker 1: law enforcement is out there. I would think this would
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Speaker 1: be foremost in their minds, um, especially since this victim.
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Speaker 1: I'm very struck by by the weaponry, even though obviously
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Speaker 1: I'm a psychoanalist, I'm not a ballistic expert, but unlike
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Speaker 1: John Lee Malvo the DC Snipers. I mean, they they
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Speaker 1: were very complex in their methods. Remember they they had
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Speaker 1: high powered rifles. They shot from the back of their car.
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Speaker 1: Do you remember that that they actually equipped their cars
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Speaker 1: so that they could shoot from a long range and
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Speaker 1: target unsuspecting victims. This guy seems to I guess I
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Speaker 1: have a handgun. He runs up. He's very up close
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Speaker 1: and personal with his victims. So either he really wants
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Speaker 1: to see what he's doing more closely, or it's more
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Speaker 1: thrilling to get close to his victims, or Nancy, he's
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Speaker 1: just really low functioning. I mean, my thought was maybe
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Speaker 1: he's a younger guy, maybe lives with his parents, doesn't
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Speaker 1: have a car, doesn't have the money for a more
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Speaker 1: sophisticated weapon, so he's kind of using what he has
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Speaker 1: and doing it on foot. And I wouldn't be surprised
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Speaker 1: if this is somebody who is not doing very well
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Speaker 1: in the world. It doesn't have a job, hangs out
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Speaker 1: all day at home. I think that the question to
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Speaker 1: ask people in that neighborhood is who is living with
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Speaker 1: family members, who is kind of like a deadbeat, not
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Speaker 1: going to work during the day, and somebody who may
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Speaker 1: be coming and going a lot from a residence that
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Speaker 1: a residence that's not primarily their own. Police seem to
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Speaker 1: believe he lives in that neighborhood, or he frequents that neighborhood,
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Speaker 1: or he's attached to that neighborhood in some way. What's
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Speaker 1: the attachment. If we knew where he was running too,
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Speaker 1: we might have an idea of who he is. As
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Speaker 1: of now, the Tampa, Florida serial killer has taken the
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Speaker 1: life of a fourth vitim and the city is under siege.
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Speaker 1: A father of four dead. No, he's not killed as
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Speaker 1: a war hero. He was not killed um in an
18:51
Speaker 1: home invasion. He was minding his own business, driving down
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Speaker 1: the street when from overhead, an enormous rot was thrown
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Speaker 1: from an overpass, striking his car. He's dead. He's dead
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Speaker 1: from this mortal blow. And now we find out the
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Speaker 1: purps did it for fun, even a few days before
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Speaker 1: throwing a recliner off the bush road overpass onto I
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Speaker 1: Why why leaving a father of four dead. Everyone's lives
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Speaker 1: changed forever. I want to go straight out to crime stories.
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Speaker 1: Contributing investigative reporter Larry Mayher Larry, thank you for being
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Speaker 1: with us. Happens, who were all between the ages of
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Speaker 1: fifteen and seventeen, had for several days been playing some
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Speaker 1: sort of game whereby they would drive a pickup truck
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Speaker 1: out onto an overpass over and throw something or several
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Speaker 1: somethings off of it. In the case of the Kenneth
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Speaker 1: White accident, which was the victim in this particular case,
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Speaker 1: there were whoa whoa wait a minute, told your horses,
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Speaker 1: Larry Mayer, an accident. You think it was an accident
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Speaker 1: that all five of them got together on that overpass,
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Speaker 1: that accident, They heaved the rock over and then laughed
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Speaker 1: their heads off. Let me rephrase that. In the case
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Speaker 1: of the Kenneth White collision, um it was about a
20:30
Speaker 1: six pound rock or perhaps a piece of concrete. There
20:34
Speaker 1: were as many as twenty rocks or pieces of concrete
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Speaker 1: scattered across the pavement on that day alone. In addition
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Speaker 1: to the recliner, there was also a tire that had
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Speaker 1: been thrown off of an overpass and a shopping card.
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Speaker 1: This had been going on for several days in two
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Speaker 1: different counties. And I didn't know about the shopping cart.
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Speaker 1: They a shopping cart off and overpass. That's correct a
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Speaker 1: party to believe, aren't you supposed to be? And would
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Speaker 1: think that they could have found something better to do
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Speaker 1: with their time. One of the defendants happens to be
21:07
Speaker 1: the son of a school board member, so perhaps the
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Speaker 1: parents that there could have suggested an after school activity
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Speaker 1: for the child. I don't know. I don't call people
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Speaker 1: six fifteen, sixteen years old. They're not you know, they're miners. True,
21:24
Speaker 1: but they knew darn well what they were doing. I'm
21:29
Speaker 1: talking about mckayden Payne sixteen, Trevor Gray fifteen, also Alexander
21:37
Speaker 1: Miller and Mark Seles Celestelski sixteen all have pled not guilty. Question,
21:45
Speaker 1: how were they found? Troy Slayton, high profile defense lawyer
21:51
Speaker 1: out of l A. You heard Larry Mahern even after
21:54
Speaker 1: I called him on it. He first called it an accident,
21:57
Speaker 1: then he called it a collision. You know what. In
22:01
Speaker 1: my book, this is murder. This father of four is dead.
22:06
Speaker 1: And they've had two dry runs on this one throwing
22:09
Speaker 1: a recliner onto I s people driving, then a shopping
22:18
Speaker 1: cart like from Kroger or public X over the overpass,
22:22
Speaker 1: throw it over on I with cars speeding along below them,
22:27
Speaker 1: and now a rock, this cement block, Troice Layton went
22:32
Speaker 1: through his windshield and hit him in the head. The
22:35
Speaker 1: mother has been describing how difficult it was to tell
22:38
Speaker 1: her five year old son that daddy is dead. Now,
22:44
Speaker 1: that is not an accident, Troice lat It may not
22:47
Speaker 1: be an accident, but it may not be intentional murder either, Nancy,
22:51
Speaker 1: And it's certainly not for all fy we don't know
22:56
Speaker 1: who did what. And if there's four people stand in
23:00
Speaker 1: there and one other person does it, that doesn't make
23:03
Speaker 1: all four of them necessarily guilty of murder. And also
23:07
Speaker 1: important to note, in Michigan Bank Goodness, the United States
23:10
Speaker 1: Supreme Court overturned the the procedure that used to go
23:14
Speaker 1: on in Michigan where a judge sitting alone in a
23:18
Speaker 1: juvenile court could sentence a juvenile to life without possibility
23:22
Speaker 1: of parole. That was deemed unconstitutional. They're all entitled to
23:26
Speaker 1: a full jury trial. Well, they're gonna get a jurgill
23:29
Speaker 1: because they're gonna be bound over and treated as adults.
23:31
Speaker 1: There's not going to be a juvenile judge prosecuting and
23:35
Speaker 1: a judicating this case. This is going to be bound
23:38
Speaker 1: over to Nancy at age fifteen, their brains are not
23:43
Speaker 1: fully developed enough to potentially form the the requisite men's ray.
23:48
Speaker 1: And I'm sure that my colleague, esteemed psychologist Bethany Marshall
23:52
Speaker 1: could chime in a little bit more. Be careful what
23:54
Speaker 1: you ask for you I surely get at Troy's Layton.
23:58
Speaker 1: That's why we have special rule for juveniles. The purpose
24:01
Speaker 1: is supposed to be rehabilitation and not punishment. Now that's
24:05
Speaker 1: generally true unless you're talking about the designated felonies. Designated
24:11
Speaker 1: felonies for which almost almost every juvenile over the age
24:16
Speaker 1: of twelve will be sent to Big Court. And those
24:18
Speaker 1: felonies would be murder, rape, aggravated aggravated assault, um, aggravated sodomy.
24:27
Speaker 1: What am I missing? Oh, armed robbery. Yeah, the five
24:30
Speaker 1: designated felonies. You do one of those, you're going to
24:33
Speaker 1: Big Court. Now, let's go as you request. And I
24:37
Speaker 1: remember you asked for it to Dr Bethany Marshall. Psychoanalysts
24:41
Speaker 1: joining us way in, Dr Bethany Well, I was thinking
24:44
Speaker 1: about there's research into empathy and young people. One of
24:48
Speaker 1: those things we know is that by the time a
24:51
Speaker 1: child is seventeen months old, they are capable of empathy.
24:55
Speaker 1: If a mother cries or is sad, the seventeen month
24:58
Speaker 1: old will will pap a mother attempt to cheer the
25:01
Speaker 1: mother up. So at that young age, So the fact
25:05
Speaker 1: that a sixteen year old, a seventeen year old does
25:10
Speaker 1: not have the basic empathy towards human life, they're not
25:14
Speaker 1: too young, Nancy to have it. And I'm with you
25:17
Speaker 1: on this. I think this was intentional murder. I think that,
25:21
Speaker 1: as we've talked about so many times, with these kinds
25:24
Speaker 1: of crimes, usually there's when groups of boys or men
25:28
Speaker 1: predate together or commit crimes together. There's usually one ringleader
25:33
Speaker 1: who's sociopathic, manipulative, loves the power, and then that person
25:38
Speaker 1: recruits other more weaker vulnerable males to act in concert
25:44
Speaker 1: with them. I think that they were building up to
25:46
Speaker 1: the rock. I mean I thought, I think they started
25:48
Speaker 1: with a shopping car at the Recliner to try to
25:51
Speaker 1: see what these objects would do. But you know, when
25:53
Speaker 1: you drop a rock on a car, it's going to
25:56
Speaker 1: kill somebody. It's it's not rocket science to figure that out.
25:59
Speaker 1: So just because they did what pranksters do doesn't mean
26:03
Speaker 1: that they didn't have the intent to kill somebody. Well,
26:06
Speaker 1: there's actually another incident in there, because you've got the recliner,
26:10
Speaker 1: you've got the shopping cart, and then you've got the death.
26:13
Speaker 1: But Jim Schultz was driving about seventy mph south on
26:17
Speaker 1: Interstate seventy five in his Mazda. He went to the
26:20
Speaker 1: north side of that overpass. He suddenly felt something very odd.
26:25
Speaker 1: He said, I didn't have a lot of time to think,
26:28
Speaker 1: and I thought, what is that? It landed to the
26:32
Speaker 1: left side of the overpass. He heard a thud, founded
26:37
Speaker 1: by a dragging sound. He got off at the next
26:39
Speaker 1: exit and pulled into a gas station and he called police.
26:44
Speaker 1: Another rock was tossed over the overpass and smashed into
26:49
Speaker 1: the vehicle the victim was writing in. So apparently they
26:53
Speaker 1: threw one cement block over and missed Jim Schultz and
26:58
Speaker 1: threw another. So there's a fourth and if this is true,
27:02
Speaker 1: there's a fourth incident involved. To Joseph Scott Morgan, you know,
27:07
Speaker 1: Joe Scott, you know no offense, buddy, But you never
27:10
Speaker 1: hear about a bunch of girls or women wilding or
27:16
Speaker 1: getting Hey, let's go throw a cement block often overpass
27:20
Speaker 1: and kill somebody. Why Why is that? Joe Scott I mean,
27:23
Speaker 1: you're the death investigator, You're the forensic sexpert at Jacksonville
27:26
Speaker 1: State University. What is it about men? Why did they
27:30
Speaker 1: think it's a good idea to throw a cement boulder
27:34
Speaker 1: over and overpass onto traffic? Why? Why is it them?
27:38
Speaker 1: And I'm not a manator. I'm actually married to one.
27:41
Speaker 1: I gave birth to one. So what I'm saying is
27:45
Speaker 1: I don't get it well. As my grandma would say, Nancy,
27:48
Speaker 1: no home training in this particular case. Uh, And let
27:52
Speaker 1: me let me bring something up. The Esteem Council mentioned
27:55
Speaker 1: a moment ago he wanted to throw out the term ministry. Well,
27:59
Speaker 1: let me throw out of actus reys, which is the
28:01
Speaker 1: guilty act. I think that it could be argued from
28:04
Speaker 1: a prosecutorial standpoint that all of those rocks that have
28:08
Speaker 1: been found on the side of the road, including the
28:10
Speaker 1: aforementioned recliner, can all be interpreted as well as practice.
28:15
Speaker 1: And this time they hit the target they were aiming for.
28:19
Speaker 1: And let me break it down for you how this
28:21
Speaker 1: kind of works out, because this is the picture that's
28:23
Speaker 1: going to be painted in court. They had all this
28:25
Speaker 1: time to practice hitting a target and now this father
28:29
Speaker 1: of four, that's right, four children without a daddy, is
28:34
Speaker 1: driving down the road, and let's just say he was
28:36
Speaker 1: driving seventy miles per hour in his little truck with
28:40
Speaker 1: a ladder lash to the top, working for his family,
28:43
Speaker 1: trying to support him, and all of a sudden a
28:45
Speaker 1: piece of cement jagged comes crashing through his windshield. It's
28:50
Speaker 1: not like he hit this thing as it was standing alone.
28:52
Speaker 1: This is a moving object which struck another moving object.
28:56
Speaker 1: So we talked about the force that is applied. Well,
29:00
Speaker 1: if he's traveling at seventy miles per hour, we can
29:02
Speaker 1: say pretty securely that this rock as it struck him,
29:06
Speaker 1: was moving probably at a rate of in excess of
29:08
Speaker 1: a hundred miles per hour when it struck him in
29:11
Speaker 1: his head and his head was crushed. This was a violent,
29:15
Speaker 1: violent act that they have been practicing for leading up
29:19
Speaker 1: to this moment. Tom. This was not some mischievous, one
29:23
Speaker 1: off type of event. This is going to be a
29:26
Speaker 1: very very difficult case for the defense to have to
29:30
Speaker 1: defend against. You know, Troy's layton, the way he set
29:34
Speaker 1: esteemed counsel it, it kind of sounded like an insult.
29:37
Speaker 1: I don't know if you picked up on that, but um,
29:40
Speaker 1: Troy here's another issue, troyce Layton. The law in criminal
29:45
Speaker 1: law does not presume a lot all the burdens on
29:48
Speaker 1: the state. But the law does presume one thing. The
29:51
Speaker 1: law presumes one intends the natural consequences of their act.
29:57
Speaker 1: What does that mean? It means this. This is how
29:59
Speaker 1: I would put it to a jury. If I took
30:02
Speaker 1: a piece of fine china, the kind you hold up
30:05
Speaker 1: to the light and you can see your hand through
30:07
Speaker 1: the other side, and I fleeing it to the cement floor,
30:13
Speaker 1: the law presumes I intend the natural consequence of my
30:18
Speaker 1: act to break the china. You can't throw a piece
30:21
Speaker 1: of china down on a cement floor. Goh, what didn't
30:23
Speaker 1: mean to break it? No, I e air. Go You
30:28
Speaker 1: cannot throw a cement block or rock off an overpass
30:35
Speaker 1: onto a car going along at seventy miles an hour
30:38
Speaker 1: and go, I didn't mean to hurt anybody. Oh, yes
30:42
Speaker 1: you did, And the law will presume you intend the
30:46
Speaker 1: natural consequence of your act. Listen to this. Troy Slayton,
30:50
Speaker 1: the guy that escaped Mr Schultz. He says that night
30:54
Speaker 1: I came home and I woke up in the middle
30:56
Speaker 1: of the night, and I said we could have been
30:58
Speaker 1: planning a funeral from me. That's what he thought. And
31:02
Speaker 1: he had looked out at his car and he could
31:05
Speaker 1: see oil coming out from under it. There was a
31:07
Speaker 1: dent in the vehicle cross member. He said, yeah, a
31:11
Speaker 1: rock had been thrown at him too, So what about that,
31:14
Speaker 1: Troyce Layton, Nancy. The law also looks at an actor
31:20
Speaker 1: in a way that other reasonable people in that same
31:26
Speaker 1: position would act. And what I mean by that is,
31:29
Speaker 1: these are kids that are growing up in a gaming
31:32
Speaker 1: culture where they may not be able to appreciate, like
31:36
Speaker 1: you and I could be full consequences of throwing something
31:41
Speaker 1: off a bridge. I don't even know what you're saying.
31:43
Speaker 1: What's a gaming culture? This is a gaming culture? Is
31:47
Speaker 1: where these kids are are playing these video games that
31:51
Speaker 1: detached them from reality, that doesn't give them video games.
31:56
Speaker 1: Is there any way we can blame in on what's
31:58
Speaker 1: that video game? Mortal Kombat? Can we blame that again?
32:03
Speaker 1: Good luck with that, Chroice Layton. Nobody the jury is
32:06
Speaker 1: gonna buy that. Blame it on the the gaming culture
32:09
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32:12
Speaker 1: that they may not very well have been able to
32:15
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32:20
Speaker 1: all the times they did before nothing bad happened other
32:23
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32:26
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32:29
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34:36
Speaker 1: The family of a World War Two veteran is devastated
34:41
Speaker 1: after secret video reveals the worst. A hidden camera installed
34:48
Speaker 1: at Northeast Atlanta Health and Rehabilitation Center shows the veterans
34:52
Speaker 1: repeated calls for help. With me right now, longtime friend
35:00
Speaker 1: and calling. The host of late Feed on eleven Alive
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Speaker 1: dot Com, joined by eleven Alive reporter Ntiia Lance Vinny Politan,
35:08
Speaker 1: is with us. Vinny, you correct this case wide open?
35:11
Speaker 1: Tell me everything then, Nancy, how are you so great
35:14
Speaker 1: to speak with you? Let's start here. I mean, you're
35:17
Speaker 1: eighty nine years old. You lived an incredible life. You're
35:21
Speaker 1: a heroic man. You deserve dignity. You should live with dignity,
35:25
Speaker 1: you should die with dignity. And that's not what happened
35:28
Speaker 1: to James Tampsey. He was in a nursing home and
35:30
Speaker 1: his family was a little suspicious that something was going on,
35:34
Speaker 1: but they had no idea exactly what was going on.
35:38
Speaker 1: So the family of this World War two vette decides
35:41
Speaker 1: to put a hidden camera so they can see what happens.
35:45
Speaker 1: And um, what they saw and and it's almost unthinkable. Nancy,
35:50
Speaker 1: you're talking about a man who is calling for help,
35:55
Speaker 1: gasping for air, trying to do something to get someone's
35:59
Speaker 1: at because he is in extreme distress and needs help,
36:03
Speaker 1: and no one responds when they finally get there, Nancy,
36:07
Speaker 1: what did they do or what don't they do? They
36:09
Speaker 1: don't do CPR, they don't try to help them. They
36:12
Speaker 1: know some some machine that he's hooked up to his malfunctioning.
36:15
Speaker 1: And you can hear these nursing home nurses laughing on
36:20
Speaker 1: the video as this eighty nine year old father and
36:24
Speaker 1: grandfather takes his last guests of air on this earth.
36:28
Speaker 1: It was it was so devastating to watch this, and
36:32
Speaker 1: I can't imagine how this family reacted to this and
36:35
Speaker 1: controlled themselves from just it's disgraceful, disgraceful. And we've spoken
36:41
Speaker 1: with UM professionals and other nurses and they've never seen
36:45
Speaker 1: anything like this. Man. You're just breaking my heart to
36:49
Speaker 1: think of that, you know, Vian, I told you it's
36:53
Speaker 1: coming up on two years this month my dad passed
36:56
Speaker 1: away and we were right there with him. Of course,
37:00
Speaker 1: everybody else was saying, you can go, Dad, you can go.
37:03
Speaker 1: I was going, don't go, do not go, Please, don't go.
37:10
Speaker 1: To think that at that moment, those nurses and nurses
37:15
Speaker 1: assistants were standing around his bed laughing, Oh oh, like
37:21
Speaker 1: a pack of high ENA's. That's just so wrong. As
37:25
Speaker 1: he passes on to the next world, I want to
37:28
Speaker 1: talk about, Vinnie. What you said that he had called
37:31
Speaker 1: and called and called to get help. Now, the secret
37:34
Speaker 1: surveillance video says that they responded with something like, you
37:40
Speaker 1: gotta stop putting that light on. What do you want now?
37:44
Speaker 1: You're having anxiety. You just need to calm down. I
37:49
Speaker 1: don't understand that it's bad, Nancy. And here's the other
37:54
Speaker 1: part of the Nancy. And the reason we were able
37:56
Speaker 1: to get our hands on this video was because of
37:59
Speaker 1: a civil It was filed and through the discovery process
38:03
Speaker 1: and everything else became a public document. We got a
38:05
Speaker 1: nursing home thought to keep this thing from getting released.
38:08
Speaker 1: Oh wait a minute, wait a minute, right there, Vinny
38:11
Speaker 1: guys with me is Vinny Politan, the host of late
38:14
Speaker 1: Feed on eleven alive dot com, and he has cracked
38:18
Speaker 1: wide open a case where a World War veteran that
38:23
Speaker 1: fought to protect us our country is in what we
38:26
Speaker 1: think as one of those nice, so called rest homes
38:31
Speaker 1: and the family has no idea what's really going on.
38:34
Speaker 1: But they get suspicious and they put in a secret
38:36
Speaker 1: surveillance camera camera and what they learn is devastating. I mean,
38:42
Speaker 1: Troy Slayton, you stand by when you have a duty
38:47
Speaker 1: to take care of somebody and tell him to quote
38:49
Speaker 1: calm down while he's dying, and then stand by his
38:52
Speaker 1: bed and laugh as he breathes his last breath. That's
38:57
Speaker 1: prosecutable to me. I mean in my mind. If you
38:59
Speaker 1: have the duty to take care of him and you
39:02
Speaker 1: sure that duty, you're in trouble. If these facts are
39:05
Speaker 1: tricks called criminally negligent homicide, Nancy. They may not have
39:09
Speaker 1: intended to kill him, but they owed a special duty
39:12
Speaker 1: because they were caring for him. They this is more
39:17
Speaker 1: than just like somebody seeing somebody dying on the side
39:20
Speaker 1: of the road. They were there to take care of him.
39:23
Speaker 1: So they're gonna suffer not just civil liability, but also
39:27
Speaker 1: potentially criminal liability, and it really shocks the conscience. Let
39:31
Speaker 1: me ask you this, was there any sort of a
39:34
Speaker 1: cover of Vinnipolitan. Well, this is what happened. They got
39:39
Speaker 1: sued civilly, and in civil cases, you know there's depositions,
39:41
Speaker 1: so you bring the nurses in and you ask them
39:44
Speaker 1: about what happened. So the lawyer and now the nurses
39:47
Speaker 1: have no idea. There's a videotape. So they tell one
39:50
Speaker 1: story and then are confronted with the video, and suddenly
39:54
Speaker 1: the story changes a little bit, so it changes a
39:57
Speaker 1: lot drastically, and no explanation for it. There's no um
40:03
Speaker 1: reasonable explanation for what happened, and there was absolute lying
40:06
Speaker 1: about what had happened in the first part of the deposition,
40:09
Speaker 1: and then when they're confronted with the videocaped evidence of
40:12
Speaker 1: what really happened to this eighty nine year old world
40:15
Speaker 1: were two veteran and hero um, something closer to the
40:20
Speaker 1: truth comes out, but it's still not the truth because
40:22
Speaker 1: as you as you see, and you can see it
40:24
Speaker 1: in our piece as she is speaking, you can see
40:27
Speaker 1: what's really happening in the video, and they just don't coincide.
40:30
Speaker 1: And I loved your pace guys. You can go to
40:32
Speaker 1: UM eleven a live dot com. Vinny Politan, host of
40:36
Speaker 1: Late Feed on eleven and Live dot com, told us
40:39
Speaker 1: about this story. We heard about it through him and
40:42
Speaker 1: looking at it, it's it's heartbreaking. A hidden camera tells
40:46
Speaker 1: the true story of how our US veteran dies after
40:52
Speaker 1: calling for help, begging for help, gasping for air. And
40:57
Speaker 1: this video shows a decorated World War Two veteran calling
41:01
Speaker 1: for help not once too three or four or five,
41:03
Speaker 1: but six times before he goes unconscious while gasping for air,
41:09
Speaker 1: while the nurses are all having a good old time
41:12
Speaker 1: standing around, laughing, laughing. So, Vinny, you're telling me that
41:19
Speaker 1: they were under deposition. They were lying about it until
41:23
Speaker 1: and they didn't know this video existed. They had no idea.
41:26
Speaker 1: The family put it in there. They were that suspicions,
41:30
Speaker 1: you know, like that gut feeling you get that something's
41:32
Speaker 1: just not right. So they placed the camera in there,
41:35
Speaker 1: and they knew they had the video. The nurses had
41:38
Speaker 1: no ideas. So, um, you can imagine they go in
41:41
Speaker 1: there and they're going to tell their story because there's
41:43
Speaker 1: no one to contradict it. At least they thought there
41:45
Speaker 1: was no one to contradict it when the videotape and
41:48
Speaker 1: unfortunately Mr Dempsey uh contradicts it by um those cries
41:53
Speaker 1: for help and and and those last few breaths of air. Um,
41:58
Speaker 1: it's horrible, but goodness, there was a video tape. Nancy
42:01
Speaker 1: if there's no video tape. This guy, um, Mr Dempsey,
42:06
Speaker 1: James Dempsey. When you look at his it looks like
42:09
Speaker 1: a navy shot like my dad. Um, he looks to
42:14
Speaker 1: me a little bit like Ryan Gosling. I'm just looking
42:17
Speaker 1: at him in his navy outfit. Now was he the
42:20
Speaker 1: one date? Was he in? Um La la land? Was
42:23
Speaker 1: that Ryan Gosling? Do I have no It was? Will said, Okay,
42:27
Speaker 1: that's who this guy looks like in his youth. All
42:31
Speaker 1: these hours past he calls for help six times. He's
42:33
Speaker 1: gasping for air. Now. The video includes almost six hours
42:37
Speaker 1: of video court deposition from a nursing supervisor, and she
42:41
Speaker 1: talks about how she responded to the patient. But the
42:44
Speaker 1: video shows that never happened. The eight nine year old
42:49
Speaker 1: war Vett died. Now. Um it also, and this is
42:54
Speaker 1: on the eleven live dot com site. From the time
42:56
Speaker 1: you came in, you took over doing prep chess compressions. Yes,
43:01
Speaker 1: until the paramedics arrived. You give CPR continuously. Oh, I
43:04
Speaker 1: can tail Troy s Layton. The lawyers totally setting her up.
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Speaker 1: So you keep giving chest compreussion CPR, right, Oh, yes,
43:11
Speaker 1: but the video shows Troy nobody doing CPR when the
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Speaker 1: paramedics entered the room, she didn't even I mean, it's
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Speaker 1: in the lie. If this is true, is outrageous? Is
43:24
Speaker 1: this is classic impeachment. The attorney did exactly what he's
43:28
Speaker 1: supposed to do. He knew that he had this information,
43:31
Speaker 1: and he let her walk down that path of those lies.
43:34
Speaker 1: And even if the criminally negligent homicide beery that I
43:40
Speaker 1: suggested earlier is time barred by the statute of limitations,
43:43
Speaker 1: they may very well be able to, at a minimum
43:46
Speaker 1: prosecute these people for perjury or attempted perjury at the
43:50
Speaker 1: very minimum. So be any what happens now, because I
43:53
Speaker 1: don't want another person to go through what Mr Dempsey did,
43:57
Speaker 1: God rest his soul. Well, the civil caate, there's if
44:00
Speaker 1: there's talks in a possible settlement, so that resolves that
44:04
Speaker 1: part of it. But the question now is what about
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Speaker 1: a criminal case. I mean, Vinny, I don't want to
44:09
Speaker 1: think about my mom gasping for air and begging for
44:11
Speaker 1: help and nobody coming if I'm not there, right, that's
44:15
Speaker 1: the part There no charges yet, But the question is
44:17
Speaker 1: will now that this has all been uncovered and it's
44:20
Speaker 1: become very public, will there now be some sort of
44:23
Speaker 1: a criminal investigation into what happened here. You know, I'm
44:25
Speaker 1: just curious about what is going to happen now if
44:29
Speaker 1: these allegations are true. If they are true and they
44:32
Speaker 1: have not yet been proven in a court of law,
44:35
Speaker 1: everybody is innocent until they're proven guilty. But if they're
44:39
Speaker 1: proven true, if there is more evidence, this could very
44:43
Speaker 1: likely go straight to a grand jury. Vinny Politan not
44:47
Speaker 1: just the host of late Feed on a level line
44:51
Speaker 1: dot com, but also practicing lawyer, Vinny, when it goes
44:54
Speaker 1: to a grand jury, it's over man. That's going to
44:57
Speaker 1: be an indictment if it goes to a grand jury, exactly.
45:00
Speaker 1: I mean, you've got the videotape. Evidence of the jury
45:03
Speaker 1: can sit there, grand jury can sit there and watch
45:05
Speaker 1: exactly what happened off the law, and then we'll see
45:10
Speaker 1: where everything lands on this one. But it's watch it
45:13
Speaker 1: over and over, mark my words. Then Dr Bethanie Marshall,
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Speaker 1: I mean, don't nurses take some type of a hippocratic oath? Well,
45:22
Speaker 1: not only that, but um, they have a license to practice.
45:26
Speaker 1: I'm sure elder abuse report was filed. I understand that
45:30
Speaker 1: both nurses have given up their licenses. Nancy, you and
45:34
Speaker 1: I have covered so many stories over the years where
45:37
Speaker 1: people in positions of trust who are supposed to care
45:39
Speaker 1: for patients abuse them instead. I had flashbacks to um
45:44
Speaker 1: so many videos I've seen on the show. One was
45:47
Speaker 1: a babysitter that was taking care of a baby and
45:50
Speaker 1: kept throwing a ball at it. Another was an emergency
45:54
Speaker 1: room where a woman collapsed in the emergency room on
45:57
Speaker 1: her face and died over a period of hours, and
46:00
Speaker 1: the staff kept walking by did nothing to help her.
46:03
Speaker 1: And I think that in these cases, these nurses or
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Speaker 1: these doctors and these people babysitters, who are supposed to
46:10
Speaker 1: be helping people with needs, actually resent the needs of
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Speaker 1: the child or the needs of the patient. They resented
46:16
Speaker 1: they shouldn't be in that profession because they do not
46:19
Speaker 1: want the other person to have needs. And they become
46:21
Speaker 1: very callous, and they become very resentful. And I heard
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Speaker 1: this guy crying for help. Did you hear him? If
46:27
Speaker 1: I please help help me? Help me? And they stood
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Speaker 1: by and laughed as he was dying. They let the
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Speaker 1: body lie on the bed for an hour before they
46:36
Speaker 1: called mine one. One one of the nurses said, in
46:39
Speaker 1: this callous way, oh, he's dead, and she didn't even
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Speaker 1: take his vital signs to make sure he was dead.
46:45
Speaker 1: She just assumed he was dead. That's how little they
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Speaker 1: cared about this victim. Dave Matt When I hear Bethany
46:51
Speaker 1: Marshall say it like that, someone has actually dared to
46:55
Speaker 1: suggest that it was wrong of the family to install
46:58
Speaker 1: a secret camera in their day, make out with me
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Speaker 1: is Dave max S, indicated talk show host. Go ahead, Dave, Well, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: you know the interesting part of this is Mr Dempsey,
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Speaker 1: the World War Two hero. He was afraid to go
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Speaker 1: back to this place, and he is They put the
47:12
Speaker 1: they put the nanny camp in the room. His son
47:14
Speaker 1: Jim said that they put it in there on his
47:16
Speaker 1: request because he had complained about them before and he
47:19
Speaker 1: was scared to death to go back. So they calmed
47:21
Speaker 1: his fears by saying, here, Dad, we're gonna put this
47:23
Speaker 1: nanny camp. We'll see everything. You don't worry about it.
47:26
Speaker 1: So he already had a premonition of fear of these
47:28
Speaker 1: people doing this to him, and they did the one
47:31
Speaker 1: thing that most of us just will weep over it
47:33
Speaker 1: when we think about there a hero at eight nine
47:36
Speaker 1: crying out for help. I just can't help but put
47:39
Speaker 1: my mom or dad in that position and imagine them coming,
47:43
Speaker 1: please please help me, and the nurses just laughing and
47:48
Speaker 1: just very callously saying, oh he's dead. Oh h. Vinnie
47:53
Speaker 1: Politan Late Feet on eleven a live dot com. That's
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Speaker 1: where you can see. In fact, I'm looking at it
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Speaker 1: right now. It's the as Vinnie told us, the extended
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Speaker 1: deposition of a nurse compared to what's really happening. It's
48:06
Speaker 1: juxtaposed against what was really happening. Vinny, thank you so
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Speaker 1: much for being with us. Noticial Lance I Nancy Grace
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories, signing off, goodbye friends