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91 She Met The Forest People During an Ancient Ritual · The Eye of Jupiter Podcast

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the I Jubiter. This is episode ninety
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Speaker 1: one with her name. I don't call her by her name,
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Speaker 1: I call her Northwest Native Tracker as also her YouTube channel.
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Speaker 1: Definitely go over there and give that one a watch.
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Speaker 1: Go over there and subscribe to her channel. The information
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Speaker 1: that she gives us. In other words, people who are
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Speaker 1: not of her, you know, of her tribe, of her ilk,
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Speaker 1: of her, of her culture, needs to hear about it.
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Speaker 1: She is the last of her kind. She is the
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Speaker 1: last to do this rite of passage ritual shit that
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Speaker 1: she did in nineteen seventy eight. I think she told
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Speaker 1: me she is a medicine woman, the collector of her cultures,
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Speaker 1: stories and traditions that have been passed down, and she's
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Speaker 1: the last one to have those an oral in the
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Speaker 1: oral sense. So we're trying to record and get all
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Speaker 1: that as all that on record as much as we
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Speaker 1: possibly can. So she's you know, reaching out to podcasts
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Speaker 1: and she was awesome and I'm so grateful that she
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Speaker 1: came on. It's fantastic. When she goes out and she
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Speaker 1: meets the three different different types of forest people. There's
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Speaker 1: a nice ones, there's aggressive ones, there's tricksters, all the
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Speaker 1: interesting information that she told me, all the questions I asked,
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Speaker 1: all the questions I have yet to ask. She will
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Speaker 1: definitely be back on for sure, probably Alive, which happens
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Speaker 1: every Friday. Guys at six forty five are on YouTube
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Speaker 1: as well as as well as what's the other one
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Speaker 1: I can't think of right now?
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Speaker 2: Twitch? I think of this.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you can go around Twitch if you guys are there,
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Speaker 1: it's over there as well, but there's nobody over there,
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Speaker 1: so you know, if you're there, if you're listening, you're
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Speaker 1: on Twitch.
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Speaker 2: Go ahead and check it out.
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Speaker 1: Every Tuesday is a regular show, and please please enjoy
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Speaker 1: this episode with Northwest native Tracker.
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Speaker 3: I mean everyone, well, I've read.
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Speaker 2: Wow was that? Was that in your native tongue?
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Speaker 3: Oh? Would be an easy way of saying hih okay.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, I don't know if you heard me speaking
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Speaker 1: in the background there because I'm not used to without video,
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Speaker 1: but uh okay, great and uh I've been trying to
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Speaker 1: get you on the show for quite a while now,
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Speaker 1: and it's you know, it's been difficult. You know, where
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Speaker 1: not all of us are. You know, even myself is
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Speaker 1: not a technologically inclined as others. And I'm finally able
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Speaker 1: to get you on the show and I'm really happy
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Speaker 1: about that.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, me too. It's been interesting speaking with few past
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Speaker 3: months here.
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Speaker 1: Yes, we've had quite a bit of correspondence. You're always
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Speaker 1: I would say always, you know on uh on the
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Speaker 1: I Jupiter Live that we have on Fridays, and you know,
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Speaker 1: you kept every time I'm interviewing somebody, You're like, oh,
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Speaker 1: at this information and that information?
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Speaker 2: Did you know this time? Did you know that time?
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Speaker 1: And you actually have sent me some I hope in
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Speaker 1: the future that I'll be able to pull up once
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Speaker 1: I you know, once I you know, upgrade my computer
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Speaker 1: here because I just can't handle the processing of it
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Speaker 1: at the moment. And yeah, you know, and finally finally
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Speaker 1: I got you on the show, and I am so
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Speaker 1: very excited at you're here.
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Speaker 2: So please tell me a little bit about yourself. Why
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Speaker 2: is it, tell me a little bit about your.
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Speaker 1: Channel and if you're promoting anything, please.
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Speaker 3: Well, my background is I was born here in the Northwest.
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Speaker 3: I'm a native of Oregon. I was born in Hillsboro County,
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Speaker 3: up south of Portland. I was raised on a fifteen
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Speaker 3: acre ranch, mink ranch actually, and My father was Russian
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Speaker 3: German Mongolian descent mostly. My mom was a Native American
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Speaker 3: and European, and my native grandmother on my mother's side
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Speaker 3: was the individual that taught me a lot of the Lord.
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Speaker 3: My father because he and his family had been trappers
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Speaker 3: all the way up into Canada. They trapped in the
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Speaker 3: Okanagan when he was a child. They lived there when
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Speaker 3: he was two three four years old, so that was
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Speaker 3: in early nineteen twenties, so they'd collected a lot of
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Speaker 3: law and had experiences up there. And my birth was
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Speaker 3: a little unique. I was born in two birth sacks.
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Speaker 3: It happens one female in every generation. Sense of Wiesa.
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Speaker 3: I was born. That was the founding medicine person that
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Speaker 3: initially started keeping this law and protecting it because it
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Speaker 3: was medi illegal back in the mid eighteen hundreds for
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Speaker 3: Native Americans to speak our language, practice our religion, or
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Speaker 3: live our lifestyle and keep our lore. So she chose
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Speaker 3: to go renegade and keep the law instead of going
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Speaker 3: to the resident.
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Speaker 2: Okay.
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Speaker 3: That's that's how our law was preserved.
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Speaker 2: Okay, So could you tell me maybe a little bit
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Speaker 2: about your people and a little bit about the lore
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Speaker 2: that has been passed down to you and what you
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Speaker 2: have done with it.
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Speaker 3: Well, on my mother's side, we are La Kota Papa
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Speaker 3: clan means we're part of the same band. Is sitting Wow?
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Speaker 2: Okay okay.
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Speaker 3: Rice was a half half relation to him. Actually they
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Speaker 3: five years apart. She was born in eighteen thirty two,
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Speaker 3: so he was born just five years before her.
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Speaker 1: So I think, okay, okay, So tell me a little
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Speaker 1: bit about your like the beginnings of you, because you
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Speaker 1: were telling me, I mean, you know, I'm kind of
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Speaker 1: gleaning from the you know, our correspondence that we've been
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Speaker 1: having that you are the last if that's correct, of
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Speaker 1: your kind that has done any type of rights of
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Speaker 1: past such you know, following your native blood. Are you
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Speaker 1: the last one or you're kind to do it?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm the last one, and I was the only
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Speaker 3: one that. Wow. My right of passage, my turnout was
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Speaker 3: delayed until I was fifteen. We waited for the law
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Speaker 3: to be changed so it was legal for me to
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Speaker 3: go on my adult rite of passage. I did it
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Speaker 3: one year after the law was allowing it again. See,
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Speaker 3: we had to go through what was it called the
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Speaker 3: Right Native American Religious Act in nineteen seventy eight. So
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Speaker 3: my adult rite of passage was held off until I
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Speaker 3: was fifteen nineteen seventy nine.
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Speaker 1: Okay, and so tell me a little bit about that.
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Speaker 1: What is the purpose behind the right of passage and
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Speaker 1: what kind of value does it hold within you in
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Speaker 1: your tradition.
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Speaker 3: Well, we kind of got to back up a little
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Speaker 3: bit for that, because it says a lot to do.
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Speaker 3: It's the way I was born. Each generation, one medicine
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Speaker 3: person is chosen out of the family. It's a female,
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Speaker 3: always has been for the last five generations. We're born
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Speaker 3: in a double birth sac and we are claimed to
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Speaker 3: be one foot in each world, so we can walk
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Speaker 3: between worlds, is what I was believed about us.
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Speaker 1: Okay, So what okay to a Westerner because you know
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Speaker 1: your Westerner as well as now as well, of course,
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Speaker 1: but what what is what is a medicine medicine woman?
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Speaker 2: What does that entail? What does that mean?
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Speaker 3: Well, it means that you have not only the responsibility
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Speaker 3: of understanding the law, keeping the knowledge and understanding cures, poisons,
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Speaker 3: food sources, that sort of thing. You also have to
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Speaker 3: be a psychic battler for your family or your tribe. Wow. Wow, Wow,
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Speaker 3: medicine to fight.
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Speaker 1: I've heard about it, and you know there's still certain
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Speaker 1: tribes in Africa to still do it, and there's also
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Speaker 1: certain tribes in South America that does it. So it's
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Speaker 1: a twelve month ordeal. How does it start out? Is
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Speaker 1: there like some type of ceremony or how does that go?
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Speaker 3: Well, what I went through is we went to an
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Speaker 3: hereditary area down here in the valley. I did a
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Speaker 3: sweat that my mom conducted and that was a couple
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Speaker 3: of weeks before I went on my turnout. Then we
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Speaker 3: returned home because we were living in central Oregon. So
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Speaker 3: I did my turnout in the high desert.
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Speaker 1: Okay, wow, So what is the turnout and tail is it?
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Speaker 1: Is it you by yourself? Are you supposed to do
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Speaker 1: certain things? Or is it like a journey? What is
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Speaker 1: it exactly?
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Speaker 3: So my training started in March. My mom's first we
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Speaker 3: walked ten mile loop that she wanted me to collect
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Speaker 3: food on and trap and hunt on. So I had
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Speaker 3: to earn each step. So we did a ten mile hike.
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Speaker 3: We took one canteen of water with us. She said,
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Speaker 3: by the end of this, in three months, you will
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Speaker 3: be running this with the rock in your mouth. Wow,
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Speaker 3: to collected food. Here's your bag. This is what you're
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Speaker 3: gonna put your food in. You got to bring that
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Speaker 3: home every night or you stay out in the wilderness. Wow.
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Speaker 2: And you and you did this with your mother.
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Speaker 3: Not after the first three months of training. She walked
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Speaker 3: me through the process, taught me out of forage on
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Speaker 3: the run. You know, like you can collect grain, berries whatever.
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Speaker 3: Staff the head off of an asparagus says, you're trotting along,
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Speaker 3: put that in your bag or you eat it. Then
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Speaker 3: you get to your stop point where you got like
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Speaker 3: a lot of grain, or you got xing and collect,
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Speaker 3: you sit down and collect. You put that in your bag.
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Speaker 3: After you clean it, you go to the next point.
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Speaker 1: Okay, Oh, before we get too far into this, what
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Speaker 1: is the name of your channel and where can people
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Speaker 1: find it?
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Speaker 2: Oh?
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Speaker 3: My channel is a Northwest Native tracker and I've got
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Speaker 3: a YouTube channel up under that title. I have videos,
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Speaker 3: some lives. I got a lot of screenshop posts in
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Speaker 3: my post section of cryptids I captured this past summer.
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Speaker 1: Okay, now talking about cryptids, So you started encountering them
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Speaker 1: while doing your turnout as you called it?
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Speaker 2: Is that correct?
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Speaker 3: Yeah? Actually, my location had been chosen very particularly to
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Speaker 3: place me in the middle of three cryptid groups. One
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Speaker 3: group of yarin in which are large red haired primate people.
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Speaker 3: They look a lot like orangutang's and they're friendly. I
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Speaker 3: can trade with them, I could hunt around them. They'd
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Speaker 3: watch me, YadA, YadA. The other two groups. One was
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Speaker 3: down around the point my mother showed me that group
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Speaker 3: explained to me that was sun based people. I understood
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Speaker 3: from my grandmother's teachings they were dangerous. Don't accept help
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Speaker 3: from them, and they will try to lure you into
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Speaker 3: making mistakes. And then on the opposite ridgeline and behind
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Speaker 3: it there was a scrubbrush, old ancient scrubbrush that had
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Speaker 3: another group of sun faced people back in there. That
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Speaker 3: those cryptids are about twelve to fifteen feet tall and
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Speaker 3: they are really scary.
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Speaker 2: Okay, So out of three there was one that you
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Speaker 2: could work with only one.
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Speaker 3: And that's the location where if I stayed out at night,
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Speaker 3: it was in the bubble caves in that region where
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Speaker 3: my mother said it was safer to be because they
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Speaker 3: wouldn't hurt me at night and they would defend me
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Speaker 3: against the other two groups.
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Speaker 1: Wow wow, Okay, welcous into you know when you go out.
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Speaker 1: Did this happen when you went out by yourself or
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Speaker 1: before your mother or after the three months?
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Speaker 3: Oh, that was at the end of my training. The
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Speaker 3: first three months you're teaching me how to forge the
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Speaker 3: correct way, where to set my jobs, and where to
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Speaker 3: collect things. Then my mom introduced me and showed me
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Speaker 3: and the land lay and showed me the ground evidence
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Speaker 3: grounds for of the different crypted groups. I was expected
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Speaker 3: to live in a monkst and she said, you're going
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Speaker 3: to have to live here. You're going to have to
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Speaker 3: learn how to trade. You're going to have to learn
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Speaker 3: how to avoid these things. You're going to have to
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Speaker 3: learn how to avoid their traps and still get everything
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Speaker 3: that we need.
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Speaker 2: Wow.
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Speaker 1: So what was your walk us into your first encounter
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Speaker 1: with the friendly group? Or did you encounter all three
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Speaker 1: of them? Were just the one?
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Speaker 3: Oh? No, I encountered all three over the course of
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Speaker 3: this seven or so months, maybe ten months that I
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Speaker 3: was out.
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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, please sorry.
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Speaker 3: So there was a little bubble cave and somewhere I
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Speaker 3: got a picture. My mom took a picture of me
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Speaker 3: in the bubble cave. My mom put an upside down
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Speaker 3: pine tree cutting at the mouth of it. And that's
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Speaker 3: a really ancient bird weir. So these upside down planted
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Speaker 3: trees with the little brush cover, you throw seed under there,
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Speaker 3: let the birds come in. You can hit them with
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Speaker 3: a rock, dart them, or just grab them if you're
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Speaker 3: quick enough and hand forging traps.
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Speaker 1: Oh that's interesting. So you take a pine tree. So
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Speaker 1: then therefore the branches are then in reverse, i'd imagine.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, they're inverted, so they make an upside down basket
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Speaker 3: when you plant.
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Speaker 1: So they kind of fall into it. And then you
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Speaker 1: go ahead and and and then take them out.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, they'll get confused on how to get out.
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Speaker 3: You can even put some grass or something to make
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Speaker 3: them a little more obscured on their escape point. You know,
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Speaker 3: you watch how they come in and out and then
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Speaker 3: block it so they have to divert and you catch them.
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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, So so so you put this tree
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Speaker 1: at the at the beginning, at the entrance of the cave.
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Speaker 1: Better said, And then what happened? What started to happen?
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Speaker 1: How was the encounter with these people?
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Speaker 3: Well, the second night I was sleeping in the little
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Speaker 3: bubble cave and I had now make success in catching
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Speaker 3: a bird uh h, I was left a bird. I'd
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Speaker 3: heard something come down and I realized, you know, footsteps,
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Speaker 3: was bipedal watching. Then you know, I realized we were
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Speaker 3: examining my trap and the individual left me a bird
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Speaker 3: because I hadn't caught anything in two days.
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Speaker 2: Wow, wow, he was watching me? Okay? And then then
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Speaker 2: how did how the relationship continue?
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Speaker 3: Well, the following day I was able to get get
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Speaker 3: some games, so he left the conna you know what
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Speaker 3: you call a glyft down, letting me know his name
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Speaker 3: was Cedar Eagle.
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Speaker 2: Okay, okay, yes, And then.
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Speaker 3: Within a week or two I started seeing him. I'd
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Speaker 3: noticed him up on the cliffs. He'd be watching me.
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Speaker 3: He'd sun himself on some of the big flat rocks.
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Speaker 3: Occasionally occasionally he'd be watching me. You'd get up above
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Speaker 3: the ridge line I was near to and you look
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Speaker 3: down watch me.
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Speaker 1: When I was four, dream you said they looked like
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Speaker 1: they were like red haired, like a rang a tang
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Speaker 1: like what else?
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Speaker 2: What about them is? What else about them? Was this
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Speaker 2: stint when you've seen them?
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Speaker 3: Well, he was still pretty young because he was only
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Speaker 3: about six and a half feet tall, so he still
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Speaker 3: had jale skin like we have tanned or or grade.
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Speaker 3: And his hair was really really sparse though it was
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Speaker 3: really long, like probably four inches five inch long, you know,
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Speaker 3: red body hair all over him. Very humanoid looking face,
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Speaker 3: but kind of a more elongated in the jaw area.
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Speaker 2: Okay.
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Speaker 3: And you could have mistaken him for you know, just
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Speaker 3: to hear a human if she didn't realize he was
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Speaker 3: something else.
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Speaker 2: Something else. Okay.
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Speaker 1: Did you end up having any type of like communication
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Speaker 1: with them other than them leaving you, you know, leaving
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Speaker 1: you gifts or helping you out better said? And you know,
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Speaker 1: keeping an eye did the interaction like you know, increase
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Speaker 1: or what happened?
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Speaker 4: Well?
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Speaker 3: I maintained a good relationship with that one that it
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Speaker 3: was always distant. You never let me see him closer
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Speaker 3: than about thirty feet.
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Speaker 2: Okay.
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Speaker 3: But I did have a really bad interaction one day
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Speaker 3: because I had to shift locations where I was camping
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Speaker 3: for the winter, I went out into the more flat
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Speaker 3: desert psyched building igloo, and when I started exploring that
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Speaker 3: area of the sun fazed people over there started robbing
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Speaker 3: me of my game.
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Speaker 2: Oh wow, okay, And did the did the other ones
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Speaker 2: didn't protect you or were they also? I can't remember
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Speaker 2: the names. I'm sorry.
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Speaker 3: The first group had also had a bad interaction. What
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Speaker 3: of their females had been molested by the sun fased people,
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Speaker 3: and it was kind of in the borderline between the
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Speaker 3: two groups.
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Speaker 2: To write that down, I had to write that word down.
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Speaker 2: We can't say that word.
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Speaker 1: No worries, No worries. I'll take care of it. It's
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Speaker 1: not a problem. I just got to write down. To
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Speaker 1: write down a little timestamps always easier for me to find.
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Speaker 1: That's not a problem. Oh, it's okay, don't worry about it.
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Speaker 2: Trust me. We're all we can't be perfect.
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Speaker 1: And supposedly, you know where America we you know, we
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Speaker 1: have freedom of speech, but I guess not. But you
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Speaker 1: know whatever, we can't talk about real stuff, you know. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: you'll you know a little bit about me. So you
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Speaker 1: always you're always on my show. You're always like not
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Speaker 1: on the show is the first time you're on, of course,
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Speaker 1: but like you've always been around the uh, on the
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Speaker 1: on the chat when I do my lives. I mean,
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Speaker 1: how did you like come across the show?
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Speaker 2: What?
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Speaker 1: What what made you you know, continue to come back
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Speaker 1: and be a you know, a very helpful member of
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Speaker 1: the show.
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Speaker 3: Well, you know, because I'm kind of approaching the subject
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Speaker 3: to dig from a different perspective than most people. It's
17:56
Speaker 3: been kind of difficult to get my message out and
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Speaker 3: find people that are actually interested in understanding them that way.
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Speaker 3: So whenever I find an abogue seems more receptive or
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Speaker 3: that is interested in actually sharing knowledge, which is kind
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Speaker 3: of why I'm doing what I'm doing. I don't have
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Speaker 3: anybody to teach this too. There's no other person in
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Speaker 3: my family that can inherit it, and my grandmother's last
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Speaker 3: wish was, if it came to it, I would share
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Speaker 3: it publicly in some way and on my channel. Oh wow, Okay,
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Speaker 3: I keep persisting.
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Speaker 2: Okay, And so you come on.
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Speaker 1: You come on the show to share your knowledge and
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Speaker 1: your wisdom and to have people to expand, to expand
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Speaker 1: a channel that way people can like look at it
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Speaker 1: from the perspective which I mostly, you know, mostly agree with.
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Speaker 1: I've heard some bad interactions, but I believe you will
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Speaker 1: have something to add to that.
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Speaker 2: There's so much knowledge.
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Speaker 1: This is not you know, We're only twenty minutes, and
18:56
Speaker 1: this is only the one of many a one of
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Speaker 1: many times I hope that you will were returning because
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Speaker 1: I'm sure questions will arise as we go through this,
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Speaker 1: and things will arise that I haven't that I've never
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Speaker 1: heard before, and I'm looking into it, so like, please continue.
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Speaker 1: So you went on the high desert plains and you
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Speaker 1: built an igloo.
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Speaker 2: How does I mean?
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Speaker 1: Maybe I'm I'm unaware, but isn't it igloo made out
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Speaker 1: of like snow and ice?
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Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, well you get three foot drifts to six
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Speaker 3: foot drifts over there in the winter. Okay, I'm started
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Speaker 3: in October.
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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, I'm sorry. I do I hear you know,
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Speaker 1: when people hear desert, they're thinking hot.
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Speaker 3: But okay, the summer you're scorching. I think I was
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Speaker 3: in full one hundred and seventeen degree, whether that summer
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Speaker 3: or the summer before and then around the winter was
19:47
Speaker 3: like seventeen or twenty seven below or some crazy thing.
19:51
Speaker 1: Oh wow, So you get the whole the full range
19:53
Speaker 1: of it, and you go out Did you go out
19:55
Speaker 1: there and being as cold and as hot as it is?
19:58
Speaker 2: What did you?
19:58
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a really s question because I just
20:00
Speaker 1: don't know. Did you take like changes of clothes or
20:04
Speaker 1: how did you how did you deal with that?
20:07
Speaker 3: Well? Igloos are built very specific ways in order to
20:10
Speaker 3: insulate you keep you from the wind, and if you
20:14
Speaker 3: build them correctly, a very small little fire inside, we'll
20:18
Speaker 3: keep you toasty warm if you know what you're doing.
20:20
Speaker 3: Because you got like a little platform that you rest
20:23
Speaker 3: on next to your fire, right, yeah, you lay a
20:27
Speaker 3: layer down. Then you make sure you're in your thirty
20:30
Speaker 3: below gear, which is what I was in. I had
20:33
Speaker 3: a really nice sort of below degree you know, sleeping
20:37
Speaker 3: bag and you know.
20:39
Speaker 2: Okay, and you did all this when you were fifteen.
20:43
Speaker 3: Yeah, I did most of it to the summer. But
20:47
Speaker 3: even while I was training and still out during winter,
20:51
Speaker 3: I was still going to school.
20:53
Speaker 2: Right, okay, to school and.
20:55
Speaker 3: Then go right back out to my turnout when I
20:57
Speaker 3: got home.
20:58
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, okay, So all right, tell me what happens,
21:04
Speaker 1: I mean, what did what did you start to recognize
21:07
Speaker 1: or learn about the people? What happened and you just
21:10
Speaker 1: kept you know, you went through the turnout and then
21:12
Speaker 1: you just continued back or is there more to tell
21:16
Speaker 1: about your interactions during the turnout with the sun based people.
21:20
Speaker 3: They know I started stealing my game from my traps.
21:24
Speaker 3: I shifted up and I made a little cedar bow
21:27
Speaker 3: with three arrows to hunt rab it with. And I
21:34
Speaker 3: didn't have that thing made maybe three or four days
21:36
Speaker 3: and one of the sun people I was taking a nap,
21:38
Speaker 3: it was still pretty warm out and try to steal
21:43
Speaker 3: my weapon. It's my tool. And then the second time
21:47
Speaker 3: he came up later, you know, twenty minutes so later,
21:50
Speaker 3: he did take it while I was napping in the shade,
21:54
Speaker 3: and he took it down over the ridgeline and put
21:56
Speaker 3: it down in the stream. And ye have to go
22:00
Speaker 3: down about thirty feet to get it in the stream,
22:02
Speaker 3: and then beyond was marsh and then the river over
22:06
Speaker 3: you know, two hundred feet in front of me. So yeah,
22:11
Speaker 3: you set me up to have to retrieve my tool.
22:14
Speaker 3: And when I got down into it, down into that
22:19
Speaker 3: little bit of a ravine ridgeline area, he was up
22:22
Speaker 3: on the ridgeline behind me, wound out, Hey, yeah, you
22:28
Speaker 3: need help, plain English? You need how I give.
22:31
Speaker 2: You a hand? Oh no, oh, he said that he.
22:37
Speaker 3: Looked basically like I hear a human.
22:40
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
22:41
Speaker 1: It might have been the scariest thing I've ever heard
22:43
Speaker 1: of my life. I swear I almost just jumped out
22:45
Speaker 1: of my skin.
22:46
Speaker 2: That was. That was incredibly scary.
22:49
Speaker 3: My grandmother's words echoed back through my mind in that second.
22:52
Speaker 3: She said when I was ten and we were around
22:55
Speaker 3: the kitchen table and she was teaching me more, she said,
22:59
Speaker 3: of the sun faced person, never steals something from you
23:03
Speaker 3: or compromises you into a low position and offers you
23:06
Speaker 3: a hand to get out of the ravine or wherever
23:09
Speaker 3: you're at. Don't take it. They will hang on to you.
23:13
Speaker 3: They will take you back to you their champ. They
23:15
Speaker 3: will enslave you.
23:18
Speaker 2: Okay, and when they may eat you, whoa sorry in.
23:23
Speaker 3: Thank you his hand. I picked up my bow in
23:27
Speaker 3: three arrows and I said, oh you like you like
23:29
Speaker 3: huh shakes? He said yes. I said, oh, good trade,
23:32
Speaker 3: good trade. I put it back where I found it,
23:35
Speaker 3: and I went through the marsh to get away from him.
23:38
Speaker 2: Oh shit, dude, How terrifying was that for you?
23:43
Speaker 3: Pretty pretty terrifying, because he followed me along the ridge
23:46
Speaker 3: line and then the air and it had been I'd
23:49
Speaker 3: been trading with. He blockaded him on the ridge line
23:52
Speaker 3: and stood guard over me, basically so I could get
23:56
Speaker 3: across the rest of the marsh. I was up to
23:59
Speaker 3: my chest trying to get out of there hotly.
24:02
Speaker 2: What did you trade with the with the other group?
24:04
Speaker 2: What was it that you were trading with them?
24:06
Speaker 3: Usually food? Sometimes tools, but usually food.
24:10
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, So so these these the what the sun
24:16
Speaker 1: faced people you called them?
24:18
Speaker 4: Mm hmm.
24:19
Speaker 1: And and and they are like a trickster kind of okay,
24:23
Speaker 1: So like they have a little bit of like a
24:25
Speaker 1: like a weird evilness to them or something.
24:28
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're kind of like if you remember the kid
24:31
Speaker 3: in uh high school, it was always a bully and
24:34
Speaker 3: with tricky into stuff and then compromise you. Yeah, that
24:38
Speaker 3: kind of mentality to them. That's really funny.
24:43
Speaker 1: They're really it's very terrifying. What about the other one?
24:47
Speaker 1: What's the third group?
24:47
Speaker 2: The large ones that are very aggressive? Did you did you?
24:49
Speaker 2: Were you lucky and not see them?
24:52
Speaker 3: Oh? I when I was trying to get a better
24:54
Speaker 3: look at the more human size of sunfaced people because
24:59
Speaker 3: they don't usually get too big, I went up on
25:02
Speaker 3: the other point, you know, across the river, which was
25:05
Speaker 3: probably a thousand feeter or so, so I could look
25:08
Speaker 3: down and see their living area because they had structures
25:12
Speaker 3: that they lived in, the smaller sun based people. And
25:16
Speaker 3: while I was up on that ridgeline, you know, I
25:19
Speaker 3: was watching for mountain goats, because there were a lot
25:21
Speaker 3: of mountain goat up there, and a billy go to
25:23
Speaker 3: bunt you off the side of a cliff before you
25:26
Speaker 3: think about it. So I always made sure I was
25:29
Speaker 3: up a little higher. And that day I had to
25:31
Speaker 3: be down a little lower at sea, and I heard
25:34
Speaker 3: something behind me, and I thought it was one of
25:35
Speaker 3: the billy goats that was wild up there. Now, no,
25:39
Speaker 3: it was one of these pardon my friend. It was
25:44
Speaker 3: one of those really large sun faced people. He was
25:48
Speaker 3: sitting on a rock behind me, by maybe eighty eighty
25:51
Speaker 3: five feet behind me. I turned around and I just
25:57
Speaker 3: I contemplated a little jumping off the cliff.
26:04
Speaker 1: All right, it's what's what's what's really interesting about I
26:08
Speaker 1: gotta be completely honest with you, is the the easy
26:12
Speaker 1: like even though it's for me it sounds completely terrifying,
26:15
Speaker 1: but for you being how how are you able to
26:18
Speaker 1: deal with that?
26:19
Speaker 2: It seems so.
26:21
Speaker 1: To put it, mildly and maybe somewhat rudely, nonchalant, like
26:24
Speaker 1: you're you're, you're, you're taking it so well.
26:26
Speaker 3: Telling me, well, I've had actually quite a long history
26:32
Speaker 3: of being around these things. Between nineteen sixty eight and
26:36
Speaker 3: nineteen seventy three we had a Omah bigfoot female that
26:41
Speaker 3: moved on to our main cranch. Oma, her tribal group
26:47
Speaker 3: is called Oma.
26:49
Speaker 2: That's interesting. That's a. That's the German word for oma
26:51
Speaker 2: is grandmother.
26:53
Speaker 3: Yeah. Oma is also called mother and Native American mother.
26:58
Speaker 2: That's interesting. That's interesting. Hopefully hopefully that's just a what
27:03
Speaker 2: I call it coincidence. I don't know, because.
27:06
Speaker 3: Probably not, because the Asiatic language is Oma also means mother.
27:10
Speaker 2: Wow, And like I said, and it's uh mama muta
27:15
Speaker 2: and then and then uh so grandma, but grandmother is oma.
27:19
Speaker 2: That's interesting. That's interesting. Wow, weird tie.
27:24
Speaker 3: Yeah. My native grandmother always called them the mother species.
27:27
Speaker 3: Our grandmother's the mother's species.
27:30
Speaker 2: What meaning meaning that they're the originals or the first.
27:35
Speaker 3: Well, she had an old Lakota lore story from our
27:39
Speaker 3: family that first two people came about because of a
27:46
Speaker 3: dog man meeting with an Omar woman and the child
27:50
Speaker 3: that they threw was a hairless human being.
27:54
Speaker 2: Whoa, so we're we're dog men partially.
28:01
Speaker 3: I mean. The other Lakota laur is that there was
28:03
Speaker 3: a big flood. The native woman saved herself with a
28:07
Speaker 3: boat and a horned serpent deed, he made it with
28:11
Speaker 3: her to create mankind over again. Those are the two
28:14
Speaker 3: Lakota laurs that I'm aware of.
28:16
Speaker 2: Whoa that is? That is incredible. That is incredible.
28:22
Speaker 1: It's it's really interesting too that in every one of
28:24
Speaker 1: these you know, old old origin stories or somewhere's within this,
28:28
Speaker 1: you know, the lore of the you know, the tribes
28:31
Speaker 1: and the native people. There's always a flood story in there, too,
28:34
Speaker 1: isn't it.
28:35
Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, well, you know we did have into the
28:38
Speaker 3: driest period, we were hit by a bunch of asteroids
28:41
Speaker 3: and there's actually a three foot light late three foot
28:45
Speaker 3: layer sick of calcium carbonate all over the West coast
28:50
Speaker 3: where the asteroids blue and just layered everything with ash.
28:54
Speaker 2: Oh you're talking about maybe Grant Randall Carlson's work.
29:00
Speaker 3: Yeah, into the Younger Daisy, the theory that we were
29:02
Speaker 3: hit with asteroids, and then we've actually found impacts. They've
29:06
Speaker 3: tracked the impacts. Most of them hit the Pacific, some
29:09
Speaker 3: hit the East Coast, and then the remaining plume of
29:12
Speaker 3: asteroids hit Britain.
29:16
Speaker 2: I'm trying to I'm trying to cut this out. There's
29:18
Speaker 2: some noise in the background, there's spray and some stuff
29:20
Speaker 2: for mosquitoes. It's the timing for dingy fever. So here
29:24
Speaker 2: in the tropics are spraying mosquito spray and I'm I'm
29:27
Speaker 2: glad I'm not outside breathing that in because I had
29:30
Speaker 2: it one time. It's pretty nasty stuff. That. Yeah, I
29:34
Speaker 2: don't know.
29:34
Speaker 1: I don't know why they get you just just to
29:35
Speaker 1: do that. I'd rather have the dingy fever, you know
29:38
Speaker 1: what I mean. It's natural, you know what I mean.
29:40
Speaker 1: It might suck for four days, and you can get
29:42
Speaker 1: as many times as you want, but at least I'm not.
29:44
Speaker 2: Inhaling whatever that is. Oh my god. Yeah. Crazy.
29:48
Speaker 3: When I was taken to do my sweat before my turnout,
29:52
Speaker 3: my mother took me to a piece of bedrocks that
29:54
Speaker 3: is three hundred million years old, and she showed me
29:58
Speaker 3: the petrified handprint footprint of the dog man, the Oma
30:04
Speaker 3: woman who was our mother and the child.
30:13
Speaker 1: Yes, I would whenever you get a chance, please send
30:15
Speaker 1: me that picture. God, please send me a picture.
30:18
Speaker 3: I did a video about that location and that story,
30:21
Speaker 3: and it's your channel.
30:23
Speaker 1: Okay, go check that out, guys, because I'm going to
30:25
Speaker 1: check it out right after this. I didn't know that.
30:27
Speaker 1: I didn't know that. That's incredible. It's so incredible. Like
30:32
Speaker 1: you know, for you, it's your this is your life.
30:34
Speaker 1: We're talking about your life, and so for you it's
30:37
Speaker 1: just it's your life. But for outsiders like myself, it's
30:41
Speaker 1: it's fascinating, at least for me. I hope you guys
30:44
Speaker 1: are fascinated too. I'm talking to the audience.
30:46
Speaker 2: But okay, so, so.
30:50
Speaker 1: This thing scared you on on the ridge line there
30:55
Speaker 1: when you're up above trying to look at their habitation.
30:58
Speaker 2: And what happened after that.
31:00
Speaker 3: Well, I I froze because I'm like, do I jump,
31:04
Speaker 3: do I try to go past? And do I wait?
31:07
Speaker 3: And yeah, it was maybe he looked at me for
31:11
Speaker 3: thirty forty seconds and then he just kind of h
31:15
Speaker 3: he stood up, and that's when I realized he was
31:17
Speaker 3: like fifteen feet tall, and he kind of went down
31:21
Speaker 3: the other side of the ridge line a little bit,
31:23
Speaker 3: and then that he just jumped. He jumped off the
31:26
Speaker 3: side of the flip and cliff. It's a two hundred
31:28
Speaker 3: and forty foot drop there. I ran over to see
31:33
Speaker 3: him hit. He hit on the side and then just
31:35
Speaker 3: book it into the brushes. Out of my god, I'm
31:39
Speaker 3: never going to survive with that thing. Paul's on me.
31:42
Speaker 2: I'm telling you right now, I'm telling you right now.
31:44
Speaker 2: This is a movie. This is a freaking movie. It
31:47
Speaker 2: is one of the best.
31:48
Speaker 1: It was one of his most believable but fascinating and
31:54
Speaker 1: wild stories I think I've ever heard. And what I
31:57
Speaker 1: mean by story from my end, from your end, this
32:00
Speaker 1: is your life.
32:00
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
32:02
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, And you know it's sort of like a
32:05
Speaker 3: soldier trying to tell about what they find them here
32:07
Speaker 3: and feel and know in the field right there, you
32:11
Speaker 3: go a way to say it, man, No, you.
32:14
Speaker 1: Have to kind of feel it and be there. You
32:16
Speaker 1: can imagine, you can imagine, but it's not the same.
32:19
Speaker 3: Right And That's what I'm hoping to do with the
32:22
Speaker 3: way I'm trying to document, you know, my lore and
32:26
Speaker 3: stuff about it and cryptids, is to try to build
32:30
Speaker 3: a point of reference for people so they can actually
32:32
Speaker 3: kind of see through my eyes.
32:36
Speaker 1: Now, this is not to say this is happening, It's
32:38
Speaker 1: just a question. I know that a lot of South
32:41
Speaker 1: American tribes when it comes to their medicine, and they
32:45
Speaker 1: use medications and plant medications that one would call maybe psychedelic.
32:50
Speaker 1: Is any of that involved within your lore.
32:53
Speaker 3: I did have a great ants that took up certain
32:56
Speaker 3: types of medicine within the family that required that sort
32:59
Speaker 3: of thing.
33:00
Speaker 2: Okay, but that was.
33:02
Speaker 3: Not my my particular path. My path was learn how
33:07
Speaker 3: to be a dog soldier in a medicine person to
33:11
Speaker 3: be a guard for the law, where they were taught
33:17
Speaker 3: to heal and protect in a different way.
33:21
Speaker 2: Okay.
33:23
Speaker 1: Is this so, is there anybody left in your in
33:25
Speaker 1: your in your in your tribe, in your family group.
33:30
Speaker 3: Well, I have some cousins left, a niece and a nephew,
33:36
Speaker 3: but I'm I'm the last one that's a direct line.
33:41
Speaker 2: Okay.
33:41
Speaker 1: Now, when you tell these family members or anybody around
33:46
Speaker 1: that area, what did they tell you? What did What
33:47
Speaker 1: kind of responses are you getting?
33:50
Speaker 3: Oh? No, no, this we we never spoke about any
33:55
Speaker 3: of this inside the family. Only one of my sisters knew,
34:00
Speaker 3: and I only recently discovered that she knew anything about it.
34:04
Speaker 3: And we were in a situation where we had to
34:07
Speaker 3: use our old native sign language to talk because we're
34:10
Speaker 3: doing people listening to us, and that's when she told
34:13
Speaker 3: me she understood I had been trained this way.
34:18
Speaker 2: Oh my god, you have your own sign language.
34:22
Speaker 3: Well, it's native talking language. It's a native sign hand talking.
34:27
Speaker 3: They haven't anymore. People don't even know it.
34:31
Speaker 2: She should definitely record that everything, you know.
34:35
Speaker 3: Well, there's there's been some recordings. Nineteen thirty I think
34:39
Speaker 3: it was, there was a Native American hand talking convention
34:43
Speaker 3: that was recorded by the Native Council via and cooperation
34:49
Speaker 3: with the American military. And two of my great aunts
34:53
Speaker 3: attended that conference and it was all recorded and filmed,
34:58
Speaker 3: and then I put it up in one of my
35:00
Speaker 3: playlists Understanding in Back History, because it's got a lot
35:04
Speaker 3: of interesting information. It was the first time the American
35:08
Speaker 3: government recognized that the Native American languages had asiatic connection
35:13
Speaker 3: and that the sign language had its own particular elements
35:18
Speaker 3: within different tribes. It was all a unilateral trade language.
35:22
Speaker 1: Holy correct, dude, I'm learning so much because what people
35:25
Speaker 1: don't understand, Like a lot of people who are in
35:27
Speaker 1: America just simply don't understand that when they see Mexico
35:31
Speaker 1: or South American countries, they just think they're brown people
35:35
Speaker 1: or something, you know, but it's not quite that they're
35:38
Speaker 1: also Native Americans. They really are. It's exactly what they are.
35:43
Speaker 3: Well, you can count from the tip of the Southern
35:46
Speaker 3: Horn all the way to Alaska. We're Native American, right,
35:51
Speaker 3: doesn't matter what boundary or name you slapped on it.
35:55
Speaker 3: Ye had a long time.
35:57
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's you know.
35:58
Speaker 1: You know my girlfrien and she's she's a Mayan, which
36:02
Speaker 1: is also a Native American, but in its own way.
36:06
Speaker 1: And the cool thing is here is a lot of
36:08
Speaker 1: the culture is still preserved. It's we're quite lucky. She's
36:11
Speaker 1: quite lucky. Actually, everybody the whole world, it's quite lucky
36:15
Speaker 1: to have their language that's still here and alive. A
36:18
Speaker 1: lot of people speak it. There's a lot of Uh,
36:21
Speaker 1: there's a lot to be still happy about down here
36:23
Speaker 1: about that.
36:24
Speaker 2: But it is slowly disappearing.
36:27
Speaker 3: Well, and that's coming to be true for a lot
36:30
Speaker 3: of Native American languages and cultures. I mean Abanaki, which
36:34
Speaker 3: is one of the most common languages that cryptids speak,
36:37
Speaker 3: other than like Edo period Japanese or Zau period Chinese,
36:44
Speaker 3: because those are the three most common languages in English
36:48
Speaker 3: that most Cryptians here in the Northwest speak. Abanaki's only
36:51
Speaker 3: got like two hundred and maybe three hundred speakers left.
36:55
Speaker 2: It's an actual language that humans speak too. Yeah, Oh
37:00
Speaker 2: my god.
37:01
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, all right, now, this is this is incredible.
37:05
Speaker 1: This is incredible. I mean, I I feel like I'm
37:07
Speaker 1: having an out about an out of body of experience. Honestly, honestly,
37:10
Speaker 1: I've never heard anything in the I don't know anything
37:13
Speaker 1: about this.
37:14
Speaker 2: This for me is that I knew it was going
37:17
Speaker 2: to be incredible. Let's put it that way. I knew it,
37:20
Speaker 2: but I wasn't quite prepared for it as much as
37:22
Speaker 2: I thought I was, at least emotionally.
37:25
Speaker 1: Which is which is good. It's a good thing. It's
37:27
Speaker 1: I'm serious, it's amazing. I feel honored that you would
37:30
Speaker 1: even tell me any of this another Okay, what would
37:35
Speaker 1: you what would other than other people speaking their languages
37:39
Speaker 1: as well, and then them with their with their stories
37:41
Speaker 1: or creation. What would you say to the average Joe
37:45
Speaker 1: that would be surprising about these forest.
37:47
Speaker 3: People, That they are far more like us than any
37:52
Speaker 3: other animal or primate on this planet. This psychology is
37:57
Speaker 3: far more human than it is anything else.
38:02
Speaker 2: Wow. Wow, So what did they? What do they think
38:05
Speaker 2: about us?
38:07
Speaker 3: Well? I took a picture of a dog man out
38:09
Speaker 3: try asking what he thought of humans and people, and
38:13
Speaker 3: he was flying the bird at me. I don't think
38:17
Speaker 3: you like the most.
38:19
Speaker 2: I don't think they like us. Huh. Okay, Well, we have.
38:22
Speaker 3: A lot of negative things, you know. We if we
38:25
Speaker 3: do encounter we panic, yes, or we try to hunt them.
38:31
Speaker 2: Yes. Yes, I've heard of I've heard things. I've heard
38:35
Speaker 2: of things for sure, for sure, really bad things.
38:40
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean.
38:41
Speaker 1: Yeah, So have you you've had the recommunication with them?
38:45
Speaker 1: Have you been able to talk with them somehow or
38:47
Speaker 1: anything like that.
38:49
Speaker 3: Most of the time when I'm out these days, you
38:51
Speaker 3: like to see really secluded, so they'll speak from behind
38:55
Speaker 3: a bush somewhere, but just always fifteen twenty feet away.
38:59
Speaker 3: If I get really lucky, like back in the eighties,
39:03
Speaker 3: there was a family group of ohmah that'll let me
39:06
Speaker 3: get really close, and I used to sit with their
39:08
Speaker 3: eldermail until it was discovered that I was associating with him.
39:15
Speaker 3: She was shot from being too close to people. Oh wow, yeah,
39:23
Speaker 3: shop by who rangers? Children have public park area.
39:29
Speaker 2: So it's did wha so the park rangers know about them?
39:35
Speaker 3: Oh yeah? I watched park rangers eliminate grounds for cover up,
39:40
Speaker 3: grounds for by about grounds for.
39:45
Speaker 2: Okay and this is no okay? Is this like known
39:49
Speaker 2: throughout like the National Park Service that these things exist.
39:53
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, if you've got anything attached to the Army
39:57
Speaker 3: Corps of Engineers, they know.
40:00
Speaker 2: Okay, And what and why do you think? Okay?
40:04
Speaker 1: If what is the reason why the secrecy? What is
40:08
Speaker 1: the secrecy behind it? What's the purpose?
40:11
Speaker 3: Would you like to admit that you're still invading a
40:14
Speaker 3: land that's occupied by original inhabitants. That would really mess
40:20
Speaker 3: up our illegal ease here, wouldn't it?
40:24
Speaker 2: Right? Yeah?
40:26
Speaker 1: And we're not just talking we're not talking about the
40:28
Speaker 1: Native Americans. We're talking about them.
40:29
Speaker 3: Correct, Correct, Because if they're if if they are as
40:34
Speaker 3: human as we are and able to speak, there's a
40:37
Speaker 3: good chance their genetics are much like us. Because there's
40:40
Speaker 3: been lots of war about different kinds of cryptions that
40:44
Speaker 3: can cross breed with us and children that have been
40:46
Speaker 3: born both native and internationally. There's lots to suggest that
40:52
Speaker 3: so a's potentially their cousins species. They might be more
40:56
Speaker 3: archaic form of a human, right, right, So we know
41:01
Speaker 3: there's some variant of a Neanderthal or no Savan or
41:05
Speaker 3: a robust. Is there some other ancient human we haven't
41:08
Speaker 3: even found yet?
41:10
Speaker 2: Denis right? Right? That is incredible Okay, so this is
41:15
Speaker 2: this is real? Then? All right, all right?
41:18
Speaker 3: What are there?
41:19
Speaker 2: What are their plans just to live? Or are they
41:21
Speaker 2: are they planning? Are they like?
41:22
Speaker 1: Because I don't know if it's because of shows like these,
41:26
Speaker 1: or they're showing themselves more or there's more of them.
41:29
Speaker 1: Do you think there's some type of intention behind them
41:32
Speaker 1: maybe being more seen or more recognized or more known.
41:37
Speaker 5: Well, I would venture to guess this because of the
41:40
Speaker 5: ones that have been family enough to speak a little bit,
41:44
Speaker 5: it's almost as if they would like to be recognized,
41:47
Speaker 5: not for the monsters that.
41:48
Speaker 3: People presume them to be. Okay, because I think they're
41:54
Speaker 3: probably tired of having h being in the situation there.
42:00
Speaker 3: They're stuck in limbo land. They're stuck on federal land
42:04
Speaker 3: with everybody thinking they're a fictional monster, whereby they can
42:08
Speaker 3: continually be abused by the people that know about them.
42:11
Speaker 3: They can be hunted, they can be poisoned, they can
42:14
Speaker 3: be their food sources can be eliminated, they can be harassed.
42:18
Speaker 3: If they show themselves and build a relationship with the
42:21
Speaker 3: general populace, that will decrease and their overall ability to
42:26
Speaker 3: survive will get better.
42:29
Speaker 2: Okay, The reason I asked, the question is because, as
42:31
Speaker 2: far as I've heard from other experiencers, is basically, if
42:35
Speaker 2: they don't want to be seen, they won't be seen.
42:38
Speaker 3: True unless you know how to look for them.
42:41
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, so what can what can you tell us
42:45
Speaker 2: about that?
42:48
Speaker 3: Well, let's do a comparison. I put up a picture
42:50
Speaker 3: of a gorilla sitting under a bush, and I put
42:53
Speaker 3: up a picture of a bigfoot sitting under the bush.
42:57
Speaker 3: Bigfoot conceals them sounds slightly better. Also did a comparison
43:02
Speaker 3: picture with a bear. It's the location they pick. They'll
43:06
Speaker 3: sit in a bowl, They'll sit up under They'll sit
43:09
Speaker 3: at a petition line between like brush scrub and forest.
43:15
Speaker 3: They'll be in an open spot, standing next to a tree.
43:19
Speaker 3: They'll be along a creek, bed up underneath the bush,
43:22
Speaker 3: sitting between paralogs, et cetera. You just have to know
43:25
Speaker 3: where to look. Okay, any animal like any person.
43:29
Speaker 1: Okay, now these are these might be ignorant questions. I
43:34
Speaker 1: always make sure I'm prefacing this with that. But you
43:37
Speaker 1: hear a lot about their abilities. What can you say
43:40
Speaker 1: to their abilities?
43:43
Speaker 3: Well, if if the things that Gengeen did the bigfoot
43:48
Speaker 3: on our property or any indication because she'd medicate during
43:52
Speaker 3: the afternoon. She'd for about an hour, she'd sit and
43:56
Speaker 3: home and medicate, and she'd look like a almost like
44:00
Speaker 3: a piece of cell afhane, like you could look through her.
44:03
Speaker 3: And when I'd ask her, you know, what are you doing,
44:05
Speaker 3: she says, I'm trying to be light' I don't want
44:08
Speaker 3: to be seen. I'm trying to be light. I'm meditating
44:11
Speaker 3: to be light.
44:12
Speaker 2: Oh the sake, for the lack of a better word,
44:14
Speaker 2: they can make themselves invisible. But I've heard of that before. You.
44:19
Speaker 2: I've heard of certain monks and you know, certain parts
44:21
Speaker 2: that are better or what have you, you know that
44:24
Speaker 2: are able to meditate and make themselves disappear, or meditate
44:27
Speaker 2: and levitate.
44:28
Speaker 1: So basically, they have the same powers that we have.
44:32
Speaker 1: We just forgot or don't know how to do them anymore.
44:35
Speaker 3: Correct exactly. I think they're still in tune with that
44:38
Speaker 3: aspect of their being.
44:40
Speaker 2: Okay, I think I don't think they can hide it
44:43
Speaker 2: much longer. The government.
44:45
Speaker 1: I mean, I think UFOs is just the beginning this
44:47
Speaker 1: whole soft you know, whatever, whatever they're trying to do
44:52
Speaker 1: to slowly bring it out.
44:53
Speaker 2: I think this is the next one. This is the
44:55
Speaker 2: next one.
44:56
Speaker 3: It's going to have to be because look at how
44:57
Speaker 3: many blockades we're discovering once we actually examine human DNA.
45:02
Speaker 3: We've discovered three new species of Neanderthals and other species
45:05
Speaker 3: of denosivin, and we have what one or two three
45:09
Speaker 3: now little arms that go off under the tree that
45:13
Speaker 3: we got apparent there, but we don't know who it is.
45:17
Speaker 3: Just the human DNA is going to have to bring
45:20
Speaker 3: this into forward at some point.
45:23
Speaker 1: Right right, because people What people don't realize is that
45:27
Speaker 1: this is first of all, this is an entertainment show, guys,
45:30
Speaker 1: But they don't What they don't realize is that science,
45:34
Speaker 1: a lot of it, not all of it, but a
45:36
Speaker 1: lot of it has been corrupted by greed and it
45:39
Speaker 1: has now become your new religion.
45:42
Speaker 2: But it definitely holds sway and a lot of things.
45:44
Speaker 1: But if they don't want it to come out, they
45:48
Speaker 1: won't let it come out because of certain powers that be.
45:51
Speaker 1: But eventually, eventually, the damn, yeah, the damn gets cracked
45:56
Speaker 1: and then it's it all comes out.
45:58
Speaker 3: Well, and there gotten to such a point now with
46:01
Speaker 3: some of this automated center DNA and I have run
46:05
Speaker 3: across three different people in this locational role that have
46:08
Speaker 3: unknown DNA in their backgrounds, some of them upwards of
46:11
Speaker 3: twelve percent. Oh my god, I have seven percent unknown DNA.
46:20
Speaker 2: And you you did that online.
46:24
Speaker 3: No, my my DNA was actually run by my father
46:28
Speaker 3: through the same facility that I that we run would
46:31
Speaker 3: run our mink DNA samples through. Okay, when my dad
46:37
Speaker 3: found out that we had lore saying that Awis's father
46:41
Speaker 3: was a wild man, a bigfoot, and that her mother
46:44
Speaker 3: was a half breed. Wow, Dad had to know.
46:49
Speaker 1: Oh wow, Because I mean, I'm aware that, for example,
46:53
Speaker 1: like Europeans, we have I think something like less than
46:56
Speaker 1: one percent or something like half a percent, or if
46:59
Speaker 1: I might be, I think something like even two or
47:00
Speaker 1: three percent Neanderthal in US because we are slightly different,
47:05
Speaker 1: you know, the Native Americans.
47:07
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I'm I.
47:08
Speaker 1: Live here, I'm such a tall I look different. Everything
47:13
Speaker 1: about me is different looking, and uh, people they take
47:16
Speaker 1: it as being quite intimidating because I walk around in
47:18
Speaker 1: the normal streets of Mexico. I like, you know, starting
47:21
Speaker 1: Americans to live behind the gates, and that that difference
47:25
Speaker 1: is very visible, you know, and it's it's.
47:28
Speaker 2: Not just a.
47:28
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's just a you know, if
47:30
Speaker 1: it's a genetics thing or a passage of time thing,
47:33
Speaker 1: but that the whole seven percent being unknown, and you
47:38
Speaker 1: have people in your tribe up to would you what
47:40
Speaker 1: did you say, up to thirty percent?
47:43
Speaker 3: Uh? Yeah, and in the past that you know, that's
47:46
Speaker 3: been decreasing over the years, and you know, we've been
47:48
Speaker 3: cross being with more modern humans. But yeah, some some
47:52
Speaker 3: of our ancient warriors were even like uh, Red Clouds.
47:57
Speaker 3: He was nicknamed Scares his horse because he would go
48:02
Speaker 3: sit with the big foot that were his relatives. He
48:04
Speaker 3: was supposedly a half breed himself when he come out
48:07
Speaker 3: of the woods, all the horses because he had bigfoot
48:11
Speaker 3: stand on him.
48:14
Speaker 2: So whoa, whoa.
48:15
Speaker 1: So you're you're saying that it's possible that even within
48:18
Speaker 1: you some of this exists.
48:21
Speaker 3: We oh yeah, I've I have a functional tabit elucidum
48:26
Speaker 3: in my eyes. I shouldn't have.
48:30
Speaker 1: Oh shit, Okay, what about what about the rest of
48:33
Speaker 1: the world is not I know you're I know, you
48:36
Speaker 1: know about North America, but what like Asia, Africa, the
48:38
Speaker 1: step what about that?
48:39
Speaker 2: Are there?
48:40
Speaker 1: Also was there also possibly some interbreeding going on between
48:44
Speaker 1: modern humans that came out of out of Africa.
48:47
Speaker 3: Well, I would say definitely in the steps because my
48:49
Speaker 3: father also ran his DNA because he had family more
48:54
Speaker 3: that they had Yetti in their background or something called
48:56
Speaker 3: the Boro tribe. They had the big Foot, but it
48:59
Speaker 3: was for the generations back to my mother's like two
49:05
Speaker 3: point nine percent unknown DNA, but they could identify part
49:09
Speaker 3: of it as being homology, which is now an ancient
49:13
Speaker 3: humanoid that we've discovered classified.
49:16
Speaker 1: Oh right, Well, the Asian step, which is in the
49:20
Speaker 1: middle of the continent around I would say, like the
49:24
Speaker 1: you know whatever, those mountains are called the Caucaus Mountains.
49:27
Speaker 2: It might be the Caucaus Mountains.
49:28
Speaker 3: Yeah, caucas Georgia up.
49:31
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, yeah, Azebai John all that right exactly, and
49:35
Speaker 1: that from there, if you go, they went. Some people
49:38
Speaker 1: went to the right towards Asia, and some of them
49:40
Speaker 1: went to the left or excuse me, to the west east.
49:43
Speaker 1: Some went to the west to be what is now
49:45
Speaker 1: called Europe. So wow, So that's very possible that somewhere
49:48
Speaker 1: is deep down inside of all of us we have
49:50
Speaker 1: some of this some of this these other bloodlines in us.
49:55
Speaker 3: Well, that would probably answer a lot of questions once
49:57
Speaker 3: we get down to it.
49:58
Speaker 2: They probably would probably would because maybe maybe they'll answer
50:02
Speaker 2: some of the questions about maybe why some people see
50:05
Speaker 2: them and other people don't.
50:07
Speaker 3: Well, I think I think a good portion of that
50:11
Speaker 3: is how to explain this and not be orried about it.
50:18
Speaker 3: So until you were in the field and you have
50:20
Speaker 3: to survive next to something, you don't become aware of it.
50:25
Speaker 4: Oh dummies, like taking a city kid and expecting them
50:31
Speaker 4: to go tracking, and they don't know the first thing
50:33
Speaker 4: about tracking or locating even a gear in the woods.
50:36
Speaker 3: So how are you going to figure out how to
50:39
Speaker 3: find a cryptos is sitting fifteen feet away from you?
50:42
Speaker 1: Especially when they were able to like well, then the
50:45
Speaker 1: modern word would be cloak.
50:47
Speaker 2: That's incredible.
50:47
Speaker 1: That's incredible that they So do you think that they
50:51
Speaker 1: were meditating before say Eastern Mississism was meditating?
50:55
Speaker 2: What would you what would you guess?
50:57
Speaker 3: I would assume so because of some of the usual
51:00
Speaker 3: stories that the Bigfoot told me, Like she talked about
51:05
Speaker 3: when I asked her like seven and I asked her
51:09
Speaker 3: where she came from, where she thought she came from
51:13
Speaker 3: as a species, And she said, the great polywog pond.
51:17
Speaker 3: You know, a time when the earth was covered with
51:20
Speaker 3: water and there was only sea life here. She said,
51:23
Speaker 3: That's that's where we all come from. So they still
51:27
Speaker 3: have more that.
51:28
Speaker 2: Goes all the way back, that goes all the way
51:30
Speaker 2: back before we crawled on land.
51:32
Speaker 3: Uh huh. So I kind of want to know the
51:34
Speaker 3: rest of their more personally. I want to know what
51:37
Speaker 3: they know.
51:38
Speaker 1: Okay, have you Are you still in maintaining contact with it?
51:42
Speaker 1: We're going to get into it more later, of course,
51:44
Speaker 1: but I just want to kind of maybe preempt the
51:47
Speaker 1: next time you come on. Are you still in contact
51:50
Speaker 1: with them?
51:51
Speaker 3: Well, Jinja and glanch the two that adopted me. I
51:55
Speaker 3: saw them last when I was about ten nine or ten,
51:59
Speaker 3: and in two thousand and one, i'd moved to Washington.
52:06
Speaker 3: My mom gave me a call and she said that
52:09
Speaker 3: our Bigfoot family had moved one hundred and fifty seven
52:12
Speaker 3: miles where she had moved to finally found her and
52:17
Speaker 3: had re established communication by writing Conna on the ground.
52:23
Speaker 3: And then I didn't take her at her word. I
52:27
Speaker 3: didn't come home for another eleven years, and I was
52:31
Speaker 3: briefly a caretaker at my mother's home for my sister
52:34
Speaker 3: A couple of years ago, and I started noticing the
52:38
Speaker 3: conna outside the door, and I'm like, I read it.
52:43
Speaker 3: And first question was the introduction a which was a
52:49
Speaker 3: person's name mean brings rain, and asking where Grandma was,
52:53
Speaker 3: so I knew it was my adopted brother that I've
52:55
Speaker 3: never met, and I had to lay down and in
53:00
Speaker 3: conna that that Grandma had passed. She wasn't with us anymore.
53:05
Speaker 3: And then the next connor he laid down was telling
53:07
Speaker 3: me I was an antid. I have two bigfoot niece
53:12
Speaker 3: and nephew. It's I got a video of them. I
53:15
Speaker 3: took pictures of them and that's posted as well.
53:19
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, now we're gonna go ahead and just
53:23
Speaker 1: slowly wrap this up.
53:26
Speaker 2: You know.
53:26
Speaker 1: It's just kind of an introduction to your experiences, why
53:30
Speaker 1: they happen, you know, and kind of a couple couple
53:32
Speaker 1: of questions in there, because it's it's a lot to
53:34
Speaker 1: take in.
53:37
Speaker 2: No, no, it is not, no is no, there's the
53:39
Speaker 2: fault is all on my side. I promise.
53:43
Speaker 3: One one other thing to say, if I may, sure,
53:47
Speaker 3: if everybody who thinks that they are predators believe that
53:50
Speaker 3: they are predators species, how is it that all these
53:53
Speaker 3: researchers don't get eaten.
53:56
Speaker 1: How do all these researchers what don't get eaten?
54:01
Speaker 2: Oh? Are you saying they're being protected?
54:07
Speaker 3: Well, I'm saying either either the thing that they're going
54:09
Speaker 3: in after isn't as predatory as they think.
54:13
Speaker 2: Oh you mean bigfoot researchers. Why aren't they being heard?
54:17
Speaker 3: No, no predator.
54:21
Speaker 2: I did.
54:21
Speaker 1: I did have a gentleman say that he marked the
54:25
Speaker 1: ground around his Uh, he built the tent up in
54:28
Speaker 1: the woods, and he marked the ground the pee like
54:31
Speaker 1: the pee around And they got very angry with him,
54:33
Speaker 1: and they greeched for him and ripped the back of
54:36
Speaker 1: his shirt off.
54:38
Speaker 3: So because that's an insult, right.
54:40
Speaker 1: And he said, trust me, I he told me this
54:44
Speaker 1: particular place in West Virginia. He said, the dogs did.
54:47
Speaker 1: There's nobody had dogs out. There was no wild cats out,
54:50
Speaker 1: there was no the only thing that was out was birds.
54:52
Speaker 1: There's no deer there, there's no nothing there, squirrels that
54:54
Speaker 1: run around nothing in this place. So yeah, they must
54:58
Speaker 1: have really really And I'm angry. Yeah, it's it's been incredible,
55:03
Speaker 1: and this is this has been incredible. This has been
55:06
Speaker 1: one of those one of those episodes that I that
55:09
Speaker 1: opened my heart a little bit more honestly.
55:13
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the whole idea.
55:15
Speaker 1: You know, now, how people take this is on them,
55:17
Speaker 1: This is on you guys. Okay, that's not on her.
55:20
Speaker 1: She's just telling them what her experiences are, just like
55:23
Speaker 1: you guys have told your experiences to me. So you
55:25
Speaker 1: treat her as such and go over enjoy and learn
55:29
Speaker 1: a lot about things that we may not know about
55:31
Speaker 1: from somebody who's experience in firsthand. Wisa, can you tell
55:35
Speaker 1: us one more time the name of your channel and
55:37
Speaker 1: where you know and where else they could find you.
55:41
Speaker 3: That's YouTube Northwest Native Trackers, the name of my channel.
55:45
Speaker 3: I also have a go fund me up to help
55:48
Speaker 3: me create some fun so I can get an r
55:51
Speaker 3: V and or a pop up camper so I can
55:55
Speaker 3: go down into the Redwoods and down into ze Quiz
55:58
Speaker 3: and up into Washington can to continue to document, document
56:03
Speaker 3: all of the different more sites I was taken too
56:05
Speaker 3: as a child and.
56:07
Speaker 1: Too fantastic, fantastic and what's the name of the gofund me.
56:12
Speaker 3: To find it, all you have to do is search
56:14
Speaker 3: fund Northwest, one word Native Trackers, Bigfoot Expeditions.
56:21
Speaker 1: All right, guys, that thank you. So very much for
56:23
Speaker 1: coming on. And guys, go ahead and take care to
56:26
Speaker 1: take care of her. If you want to get perspective
56:28
Speaker 1: from somebody who has deep roots within the country now
56:32
Speaker 1: that we now call home, then I would suggest to
56:35
Speaker 1: go ahead and take you know, if you got five bucks,
56:38
Speaker 1: ahead and throw it her away so she can do
56:40
Speaker 1: that and we can learn a little bit more so
56:42
Speaker 1: every bit that we can. And I want to thank
56:45
Speaker 1: you so much or Wisa for coming on today.
56:47
Speaker 3: Say you're welcome, thank you for having me.
56:50
Speaker 1: Yeah, no problem, I'm going to have you back on
56:52
Speaker 1: for sure. We're just touched on the surface of it.
56:53
Speaker 1: I want to be thinking about this one for quite
56:57
Speaker 1: a while.
56:58
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, next time I'll be prepared and let
57:02
Speaker 3: my participants, my subscribers.
57:04
Speaker 1: Now, okay, yeah, well it's not alive. This is not
57:08
Speaker 1: a live this is a pre record. This is going
57:10
Speaker 1: to come up as a regular show. So there's nobody,
57:12
Speaker 1: there's nobody chatting on the side. It's just just me
57:15
Speaker 1: and you right now, that's all it is. It's just
57:17
Speaker 1: me and you and and yeah and eventually you know,
57:20
Speaker 1: whatever we get, you know, you'll get your video up
57:23
Speaker 1: that way we can see you a little bit. I
57:24
Speaker 1: can read your facial expressions, which would be nice. That way,
57:27
Speaker 1: I can actually maybe have other questions.
57:30
Speaker 3: I got a friend that's coming into town next month
57:34
Speaker 3: to help me move some stuff, so hopefully you'll be
57:37
Speaker 3: able to walk. Because you had to fix my camera
57:39
Speaker 3: issue on this thing. I've tried a couple of settings.
57:42
Speaker 3: They just won't do it for some reason.
57:44
Speaker 1: Now, well we're here and it worked out pretty well.
57:46
Speaker 1: I'm very happy about it. Is like, it sounds like
57:47
Speaker 1: it's raining in the background where you are, they're raining.
57:50
Speaker 3: Yeah, starting to sprinkle.
57:51
Speaker 1: Started to sprinkle. Now that sounds like a downpour. It
57:53
Speaker 1: must be some fuzz on your line. Worry about it.
57:56
Speaker 1: It was perfectly fine when you talk. It sounded great.
57:58
Speaker 1: And yeah, one more time, thank you so much Aison
58:01
Speaker 1: for coming on. I hope to continue to see your
58:04
Speaker 1: presence over on the live chat and uh and uh
58:07
Speaker 1: yeah guys, I really appreciated that. Thank you so very much.
58:09
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58:12
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58:27
Speaker 2: And remember we are the e We are aware. H
59:12
Speaker 2: My girlfriend just ran in the room. My girlfriend ran
59:16
Speaker 2: in and it's like I gotta go singing as she
59:18
Speaker 2: ran in, asked about a ton of questions and ran
59:20
Speaker 2: back out at the end there, Oh wow, this has
59:23
Speaker 2: been I just love talking to you man. It was great.
59:26
Speaker 2: I hope my questions were good. I hope my questions
59:28
Speaker 2: were good.
59:30
Speaker 3: And to talk to your Maian lady if she knows
59:33
Speaker 3: anything about the closolks, because I have only with a
59:36
Speaker 3: one piece of lore from the Maya side of my family.
59:40
Speaker 3: My native grandmother married a man who was one third
59:46
Speaker 3: Mayan Okay, and my mother's turnout was conducted by his mother.
59:55
Speaker 3: Oh and that was done down in California in the desert,
59:59
Speaker 3: and she was six years old at the time, and
1:00:04
Speaker 3: she lived ten months in the wild with Yushka. They
1:00:07
Speaker 3: looked very much like flat based baboons.