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- speaker-0: Mm-hmm. Over a hundred years of experience lie in Ideal South Dakota. The team at Jorgensen Lanic Cattle is going to take the time to offer insight into that experience along with many other industry experts. If you're ready to learn and grow, this is the source. Hello folks. we are here at Pre-Sale Dinner for the Jorgensen Lanic Cattle Top Cup Bull Sale. ⁓ this is the Source. ⁓ I am without my producer today, so we're flying blind and you never know what might happen. But I'm joined by one of our favorite people in the world, certainly mine. The bulls with the V's. Kevin, introduce yourself to the folks. ⁓ Kevin Verhel's Cambi, Minnesota. Verhel Stangus. Kevin, how long you been with the Jordans and crew? ⁓ I've been a multiplier, I think five years. I think that's correct. ⁓ Yeah, gee. Yeah. First year we came out probably two thousand nine. Two thousand nine. Two thousand nine. So you it's been what is that? Can't do Sixteen sixteen seventeen years. That's ⁓ a wild. Yeah. Yeah. What initially grew to Jordan Solanacel? The lion breeding and stack breeding, ⁓ for the most part the females that they create in this thing is it's outstanding is what they end up being. Depth of body, shape, you know. Just uniformity in the cattle, they're even for the most part. Yeah, the mothering ability is second to none in my opinion. You bet. Canby, Minnesota. Yes sir. So very much a different different environment than our customers out west. what are some of the biggest challenges you face being in Canby from a from a cow management standpoint and from ⁓ from a bull selection standpoint. Well there's benefits to it and there's negatives to it. Right. you know we run a lot of different grass. ⁓ we got ten different pastures, range from three hundred acres to fifteen, twenty acres. So the way that's probably the biggest struggle just managing the cattle. But and ⁓ other the positive thing about it all is You get to use so much different genetics on different groups of cattle. Right. You know, you're not using so what on three hundred cows a normal place would run how many bulls you think on average? Probably fifteen on that deal. So we're running twenty two, twenty five. So we get a little more selection that way. So I mean Yeah, and and can can probably do some sorting. Yeah, yeah. Put some put some bulls in places where you want It's actually fun of funny because you know, we we ran these Jorgensen bulls for years and now it's to the point with the genomics we can't turn our cow herd anymore with bulls. I mean you can't The twenty five cows you got in a group or whatever, it's hard to mate them just one or two different you know. It's expanding our program farther with the AI now is what we're what we're getting at. You absolutely have to at this point. I mean you you get to a point to where you you're not gonna move those individuals unless you unless you do it. And the bull that it takes to do it is gonna cost you Yeah a significant amount of money at that point. Yeah, that is the truth. So Yeah. It ⁓ it's all fun and games, right? Yeah it is fun. It's just a lot of fun. you dove off headlong into the genomics. Yes. when you made that choice to genotype the cows. y obviously some of it's in your personality, but you didn't just dip your toe in it. No, we went all in when ⁓ Cody Jorgensen asked me to be a genetic partner for Jorgensens, we didn't just do our heifers, we did the whole cow herd. You know, I just felt like that was the point we needed to move our herd forward to make it better. Right. And you know, for you with with what you're doing today with your AI and and your You're studying the genetics ⁓ both from a genomic standpoint and from a pedigree standpoint to really make those matings. Yes, yes we are. It ⁓ it's great fun to to be in it. Yeah. It's a blast. It's an addiction. ⁓ yeah. It's an expensive addiction. Expensive addiction nonetheless. ⁓ I think coke addicts are probably better off too. Yeah, probably. So Where do you see Verhail saying this going in the next five years? I would like it to grow into somewhat of a registered herd. I'd like to get, you know, we run about we're running about, I didn't say this, we're running about 375 cows. I'd like to get about a hundred registered cows, which I think we're there. We just gotta get the work done on that deal. But and move forward that way a little bit and maybe have our own bull sail along with Sending some of our so-called commercial bowls, which they really aren't out here to Jorgensen's release program. Absolutely. What if you had to pick a sireline and it was gone to your head, the one you're gonna use, which one is it? Ugh And don't lie, because I know what the answer is. It would probably be the Rito Sir line. Yeah, that's the black tags. We like the power, we like the growth, you know. Kinda been our deal. ⁓ second favorite probably is the the emulus line of cattle. They're kind of fit our program over there. Yeah, you bet. Yep. But them two lines are pretty much they're my hard to walk by the sail bull pens. Yeah. Kind of bulls. Yeah, when Kevin got here today, he he walked right straight to the to the black tags and just kinda hung out there for a while and didn't really do anything but just look at everything and Yeah, you can't put your cards out too early. No, no. He's playing ⁓ close to the bus. That's not new. Well, Ver Helst, I'll let you get back to enjoying your evening, but I wanna get you on for the first time and we're gonna do we're gonna do long form with Kevin here on down the road. I think you guys would really enjoy hearing Kevin's full story and and what he's doing today. He's he's taken it to a to a level where he's driving as hard as you can drive to to make the progress that he wants to make. It's very impressive. So Thanks sir. Thank you, Jamie. And we're gonna catch you later. All right, sounds good. Folks at home, the cow manager at Jorgenson Lan and Cattle, Dylan Donahue. ⁓ gonna have Dylan jump on for a minute. How long have you been at Jorgenson Lanic Cattle, Dylan? speaker-1: ⁓ I am currently on my seventh year. speaker-0: Seventh year. Yes, correct. And how many years have you been behind the wheel of the Cowherd Managing? speaker-1: Officially just myself, I'll I would say this is probably my third year of kind of yeah, being completely the full manager of it I would say. speaker-0: Yep. So tell the folks what you do, Dylan, on a day-to-day standpoint. Besides wear many hats, because yes, we know you wear many hats. speaker-1: a lot of people I guess I've I have heard them comment that I am the cow boss is kind of a good way to put it. I do anything pertaining with the cows. ⁓ I am basically with them every day, all day. excuse me. ⁓ as far as calving cows out ⁓ AIing cows ⁓ after we get them all calved out, rebred, and shipped out to pasture, I am out to pasture with them all summer long. rotating them, putting mineral out, doctoring calves, kind of anything that you could imagine having to deal with the cow calf operation. speaker-0: Yep. Yep. And so ⁓ when when we're Kevin here we we start in the middle of January. How many how many team members are you using to get through Kevin? speaker-1: so we actually have at JLC I would consider us having two different cabin locations. ⁓ we call the one the bloom place, bloom location, whenever, where all the registered animals are at. And then ⁓ kind of the other location ⁓ is the Lance Ranch we call it. so I mean it's split up a little bit, but say at the Bloom Place there we have ⁓ speaker-0: Right. Yeah. speaker-1: Basically five five team meters that that calve out roughly seven hundred, seven hundred and fifty head of cows at that location. and then so all the all the recip cows are at the Lance Lance Ranch. and I would say they're this year there was maybe two hundred and fifty head of cows up there. And they do that with two So yeah, it is a heavy workload for you know the the number of crew that we have there, but ⁓ we get it done, I guess. A lot of long hours, early mornings, late nights, but it is what it is. speaker-0: So what's your favorite time of year? speaker-1: everybody asked me that and it's kind of a I don't know if you want to say bittersweet ⁓ question but it's it's kind of hard for me to pinpoint because I The best answer to it that I came up with is I I like everything but I like the transition between stuff. You know like so I I look forward to calving. But then I look forward to calving to be over and start AIing cows, putting embryos in. And then I really like seeing the cows go out to play grass. I I mean that's so it's just, yeah. I like every aspect of it. so I yeah, I I guess I couldn't really say there's you know nothing that's been better than the others. speaker-0: That's that that makes going to work every day a little easier. Yep. Yep. pick a tag color. What's your favorite? Most everybody's gonna get to ask that tonight. speaker-1: Well after talking with you a little bit last night I today I actually kind of was really thinking on it. and as far as mother cows, I I like the the yellow tags. speaker-0: Yep. speaker-1: They are just kinda some, I don't know, lack of better term, big soggy, good producing cows. They always yeah, good mothering ability, always have a lot of milk, usually raise nice big cats. speaker-0: You know, absolutely. Well thank you for taking a minute to sit down, Dylan. And ⁓ we'll do more of this in long form at some point with you, but I wanted to get you on here and let everybody get to know who you are to start with. So thanks, sir. Appreciate it. Back with the fifth generation of Jorgens and Landon Cattle. He's been on the podcast once before. So how many sales is this gonna be for you? That you remember? Let's go with that. speaker-1: Thank you. Fifteen. Yeah. ⁓ speaker-0: That's kinda what I f what I figured you'd get. Yep. So This is gonna be the second sale that you've been at the helm of the feedlot? speaker-1: Eee yes, this would be the second yeah. Second since I've stepped in the position. speaker-0: Yep. How d how do you feel it's been leading into it? speaker-1: I I feel good. Feel really good. Bulls obviously we had a tr tremendous winter, you know, as as far as the feed lot, so it's bulls look good and feel good. just for, you know, what I've noticed being my fifteenth sale that I remember, I've never seen my dad so relaxed. We'll we'll knock on wood I guess, but usually his stress kind of wears off on everybody else, so It's been good. It's been a fun weekend. speaker-0: Yeah, Cattle Dankster Looked Apart. You and your team have done a fantastic job of of having everything ready to roll. So fifteen sales that you probably remember. Is there a bull that has stood out in your lifetime that that sold through this sale that you just go, gosh, that was awfully special? speaker-1: I do. and the I might laugh at this one, but he's actually he's framed in my dad's office. And when I was a kid and cousin Oscar, and this is when we were in the sale barn in town. Right. And Bravo twelve eighty one came through that set came through the sale ring. And I just remember that's That's when I realized when I was a kid that this is this is what I was gonna do. And I was never gonna miss another sail. And I think that did the bull that I remembered. speaker-0: Yeah, and that's that's fascinating that that's the one. You know, it's not the encore, it's not a hundred thousand with accolade, but it's back to Bravo and and ironically set of sons out of him on the sale this year. ⁓ they sure looked apart. what what's your favorite sire group out there this year? Not asking for individuals, just just a favorite sire group that that you sure like. speaker-1: All around in the sale. ⁓ you know, besides Heffer and Cowboys, my favorite sire group right now and you you'll notice is is the T T seventees. I we got a lot of young sires that are you know that are offered in this sale and that it's time to start proving themselves. ⁓ they're all really good, but I I do think the T T seventees are they're one step above and I I think they're they're pretty much there already and I'm I've been very impressed ever since this Bulls You know, we use this bull, I've kind of been taking care of him the last two years and ⁓ yeah, his sons are been really impressive to me. speaker-0: Yeah, and I mean man, you wanna talk about about three bulls, three young sires that are gonna be represented in this sale and one cow. You know, twenty-two seventy two Sky Mere and accolade all all with the seventy two ⁓ nine influence and and boy it sure sure looks like she's gonna share share her history with with the kids of hers. It's pretty exciting. speaker-1: Yeah, it'll be fun. speaker-0: So if you had a favorite sale memory, not a bull but a memory, it could be something hilarious that happened, it could be something great that happened, what would be your favorite Jorgensalina Kettle bull sale memory? speaker-1: I I don't know. I don't know. I was thinking about this today actually. ⁓ there had been a Facebook memory had come up of my great grandma Mary and my great grandpa Martin. ⁓ and this I think was for sure their last sale we had in the sale barn. ⁓ I do remember as a kid of honoring both of them ⁓ for what they've done. ⁓ for us to, you know, be here and what they've done. speaker-0: Yeah. speaker-1: I I remember as a kid I was sneaking back and we was actually in the pickup and I'm like, Man, that that that moment right there was special. It just gave me some time to think about my great grandfather Martin and Grandma Mary and what they were able to do in the past for us to be here today was extremely grateful for it. speaker-0: Yeah, yeah, I mean it history runs deep here at Jordan St Lennon Cattle and it it's it's awfully impressive. The the opportunities given to all of us and you know for you where you get to live at, I know that's really special for ya. just you guys make it fun to be a part of this team and this crew and and we sure love to do it. speaker-1: ⁓ I appreciate it. It's fun to be here. speaker-0: You bet. Alright. I will let you go, Philip, and we'll come back to Longform with you one of these days and and talk all things feed lot. But ⁓ thank you for your time. I appreciate it. And ⁓ we'll catch you again later. All right. Welcome to the Source Charlie Probabichek. Charlie, how are you sir? Good. How are you, Gene? I'm doing well. Happy to have you here. You you excited for tomorrow? Yes I am. Yep. So speaker-1: Appreciate you, Jimmy. speaker-0: Tell us how you are tied to Jordans Atlanta cattle from both a family aspect and from a aspect. So but let's start on the family aspect. So I am actually a nephew to Cody Jorgensen. And so it'd be my mom and him, our brother and sister. And yeah, we were our our family is so tight knit and we all grew up together and I say when we all, it is Philip and then my cousin Aiden and then my older brother Oscar. We're all four years apart from each other. And so we all grew up. We d all go to Grandma Debbie's house after school. And so yeah, we literally have been best friends and we still are to this day. And we have all been in each other's weddings and stuff like that. So we we are a really tight knit family and we all it it it's so weird we're like outliers in this whole world because we're just we're so close, but we're all family. It's like our best friends are family and that's it's really special. But ⁓ on the on the cattle side little backstory here. My dad he and his brother, so my uncle on the other side of the family were actually multipliers for Jorgensen's ooh, back in the I I couldn't say nineties, probably early two thousands. And so they they were partners and speaker-1: He speaker-0: They they actually sent bulls up here for a couple of years and then they actually ended up splitting up. And that was kind of the the end of the cow side on on our farm for a little bit until I got back into the picture. I I me and my brother bought cows when I was a sophomore in high school. And that was kind of the the start of the dream. And so now I'm twenty two years old and we're we're making this dream come to reality. And so Ever since then, Cody's been a big influence on me. He's been really good. he's pushing us to do more and more and now we're we're I would say the latest of the multipliers on on that part of it. But no, he's he's really pushing us to in in the Heifer project and stuff and that's it's been fun. Yeah. So Yeah. How how do you feel, Charlie? ⁓ Using the technology that Jorgensen Landon Cattle, you know, provides with the IBE, talking about sire selection, what what does that play into your into your mind? How do you utilize it and and how important of a tool is that for you? Yeah, it's that the the tool makes it more efficient, I would say, and more visual. And that's that's how I understand it and interpret it because I'm I'm really not I'm I'm not a just a true cattleman. I don't totally understand the numbers on everything. Looking at a E P D you can't I I I don't understand that part of it. But on on IBE that really helps me explain it all. And then with our genetic consulting meetings with you here, that it really it's it's an awesome tool and it it really helps. And so when I I can come up here and talk to you and say, Hey, I I have a problem with my cows this year and that I want to change this. I can tell you that. And you can type that into the deal and it'll pull up a whole different set of bulls for me and you'll tell me what what it'll make them come out and do. And that's it's really, really cool to see. And so like last year we had we had some issues with some of our heifer calves and stuff. And they just weren't they weren't it. They didn't have a lot of life to ⁓ And so I came back and told you that. And we pul picked a different set of bulls and we're where we wanted the goal and this year it completely changed. And it's it's been really cool to see it from the problem that we had to resolving that problem. That's it's been really cool. Yeah, and you know, I think for me, Charlie, that's the most important thing. We're never gonna be perfect. It's never gonna be perfect. But we can we can pivot so fast. Yeah. To say this didn't work, okay, why didn't it work? ⁓ there's these holes in this data that we didn't catch up front. We make an adjustment and we we appreciate the outcome when it's when it's what we expect. Yep. Yeah. So that's that that's been a a very good tool and it it's been really fun to to watch it grow from from the start and completely watching the the whole idea of it come into reality. It's it's been really cool. Yep. And so you told me back at N C B A that you were really excited because you had your sire codes in your Kev tags. Yep. What is your favorite AI sire group that you've got Kievs on the ground right now? Obviously we know they're young. We know there's a lot of water yet to go under the bridge, but do you have a favorite sire group? ⁓ man, we've so this year it's been my first year keeping track of the the sire lines at at baby calves and we're we're kinda running a little terminal project here but we've got three of your main herdbulls on there and it's I mean they they all have their different traits and in their looks and you can you can definitely see that but I don't I mean we've got some some El Dorado and some of them sire lines, but they they're all so unique and you can just you can watch them grow. And they they all have different traits and they all do different things. I mean they're they're all pretty well spot on. But I I probably couldn't tell you. That they that means we did something right when you don't have a favorite. That's everybody's been asking me what's my favorite on this sale and it's like I've spent a lot of time with this information and a lot of time studying ⁓ and I I don't have a favorite. I've got a I've got about a dozen of ⁓ that Gosh, we could have led the sail off with him, him, him, him, him. Where do you go? And so, so just like you're talking about, it's so much fun when when you just look out there and go, Well, we did something right. Yeah. Yeah, and it it's been it's been pretty fun. And w the way we cav, we've got our our heifers right next to our replacement heifers. We got a little crick bottom there. And so when when I'm riding through the pairs, I can look over in our replacements, our replacement heifers and say, damn, that's a that's a nice looking heifer over there, and I can Can go look her up and see where she's from. And that's that's pretty cool. Yeah. Yeah. Well, thank you, Chuck. Appreciate your time. Yeah, thank you, Jim. And ⁓ at some point we'll come down and do a full episode on Profit Check Cattle Company, but I wanted to get you on and introduce you to the folks. So thank you, Jamie. Thanks, Charlie. We'll see you later. Folks at home, the lovely and talented Miss Tracy Murrers in front of me. Tracy, how many years have you been coming to George Atlanta Cattle? speaker-1: I would think it would have to be over twenty five years. speaker-0: Over twenty five years you've been coming to Jorgens Atlanta Cattle. So tell the folks at home where you're from and ⁓ what you're doing as a role with Jorgens Atlanta Cattle today. speaker-1: I live south of Valentine, about 60 miles ⁓ south southwest of Valentine in the beautiful sand hills of Cherry County. And I've been a multiplier herd for or cooperative herd for Jorgensen for probably about twenty, maybe twenty-five years. I lost speaker-0: Yeah, you bet. You bet. So Tracy, you wanted to talk a little bit about the leasing program. And obviously that's the Jordans Atlanta cattle bread and butter. But I know it gets you excited, so so please go ahead. T tell the folks at home why why you love the leasing program and and why it works so good for folks. speaker-1: were able to at lease half brother bulls for when we started out before we came multipliers and it was just fantastic to be able to have the bulls dropped off ⁓ a couple weeks before breeding season and then picked up as soon as we pulled the bulls. So we're not running, you know, thirty thirty five bulls year round, not using them. ⁓ which has allowed us to you ⁓ you know run more cows. and since that time then we've also been able to lease bulls out of the cell to improve our genetics and also go along with the ⁓ genomic matching program. speaker-0: Right. And so you talk about the the half brother side of it and and being able to to get with the team at Jordansons and put the right set of bulls together for what your goals are. You know, to me that's as big a part of what we do as anything is that understanding where you wanna go and then saying, Okay, what are the it's not you just need to buy this one because I'm telling ya that's the one you need, it's making sure that we're putting the right ones in the right places. speaker-1: Yeah, and with all the data that you provide for us and everything, it's just a wonderful way to plan the entire breeding program out and instead of trying to piece it together from many different you know producers. it's yeah it's it's been a l ⁓ really fun watching the progress. speaker-0: Right. Yep. And gosh, now I lost where I was gonna go. Goodness. being down there in Cherry County, in this in the wonderful sand hills of Nebraska, talk to the folks a little bit about the the type and kind of cattle that you really like, Tracy. speaker-1: You know, it's interesting. a lot of people run a ⁓ I guess the one comment I have on my cow herd is just how they always hold their condition. And ⁓ I don't feed as much hay as some. ⁓ I'm basically a you know, cake and range outfit. and gosh, it's ⁓ I mean these cows I just sold some ⁓ man, they were twelve on up. ⁓ I think I think there were sixty head of and the longevity and then like I actually had people calling me are like, are you sure those cows are that old? Because they were on cake and range and they just were fat and in good shape. And so speaker-0: Yep, perfect. Any any parting comments, Tracy? Anything else you wanna make sure the folks know now? This is this is introduction to the source and at some point we'll be down do long form with you and we'll do we'll do full history. speaker-1: Yeah. I just it's been an honor to be part of the program. it's just always like to be on the cutting edge and trying new technology and everything and I feel like That's where we're at. speaker-0: Yep, yep. Yep. And you know, the Jorgensen crew, it's a big family, but you feel like family when you're here. That's what I love about working for for Cody and Nick and Brian and Greg is that speaker-1: Yes, absolutely. We've done so much just on a handshake for years and years and it's you know, they don't succeed if we don't succeed. So they are genuine and their care for us and ⁓ our cattle and our genetics. So yeah. Cody and I have spent a lot of time in his office making a plan. So speaker-0: Yep. Thank you, Tracy. And we're gonna we'll we'll be down to Seneca to to do long form here one of these days. So thank you, Tracy. Thanks guys. Folks, this is special for me. a legend in our industry today. Mr. Roger Jacobs, ⁓ Colonel Roger Jacobs I should say, sitting across from me. Roger, this is the first question I should have prepped you for. How many years have you been coming to Jordan's Atlanta cattle? speaker-1: Well, I think I've sold the sale for thirty-two or thirty-three years. Was actually here the year that band one ⁓ five sold. I was fitting cattle and I Glenn Hatzel who bought band one ⁓ five was a great friend of mine, so I came to the sale with him and ⁓ watched him buy band one ⁓ five. So and then As I became a regional manager of the American Angus Association in seventy seven, got to know Martin and ⁓ every time I'd get a chance I'd pop in, even though it was not my territory, I'd get down here and go through the cowherd with him and was always terribly impressed. speaker-0: You bet. So when you were regional manager were you in Montana? speaker-1: Yeah, I had Montana, North Dakota, and Wyoming. ⁓ s went to work in nineteen seventy seven through ⁓ eighty one and then I worked for the Angus Journal for two years. I had most of Western United States and all of Western Canada. speaker-0: So when did you start selling sales sales, Roger? When did you step out of that into into selling sales? speaker-1: So I hung my shingle out in nineteen eighty three. was very fortunate that you know, I'd built a pretty good network as a regional manager and as an Angus journal rep and first guy to ever hire me, I was driving ⁓ we were out looking at cattle one day, Russ Dano at Gartner now Angus Ranch and ⁓ As we were driving through the cow herd looking at cows, he said, I heard you wanna be an auctioneer and ⁓ I said, Yeah, I'm gonna try it and ⁓ he says, Well, if you're gonna be an auctioneer, you're gonna sell my sale and that was the first guy that ever hired me. He ⁓ speaker-0: You bet. So roughly how many sales a year, Roger? speaker-1: You know, right now ⁓ I'm doing about seventy sales a year. twenty years ago I'd have said it was a hundred. ⁓ slowed down a little bit. there's been a lot of attrition in my customers, ⁓ you know, people that have retired and aged out. And you know, a number of I've sold all breeds all these years and ⁓ some of them other breeds there's just no produ no production sales left. So But still have a great customer base and still do close to seventy sales a year and just love it as much as I ever have. speaker-0: You bet. the the s production sale industry has obviously evolved substantially since you started selling sales in eighty three, even clear back to your rep days in the seventies. What what do you think is the is the best thing that's happened for production sales and what's the worst, Roger? speaker-1: You know, I think the thing that's helped it more than anything, the big boost was the internet. you know, just ⁓ the fact that so many people can stay home and study their lesson and bid online. know most every cat every catalog's online anymore so you can preview catalogs, you can preview videos, and you can bid as much as you'd like on sale day. And ⁓ it's been a big help to ⁓ to me. I guess I don't wanna ever have to do one without a video company or internet company I should say providing a service and people being able to bid online. speaker-0: It it probably says something about your sale today if you don't have the online platform. speaker-1: That's right. I tell you what, it was a big change and I've said for years you gotta be willing to change. I know I fought change several times in my career and I was wrong every time. speaker-0: How much did that change your job, Roger, when we went from a bully in the ring and no internet to what we're doing here at Jorgensen's with two big screens behind you and you've got two computers in front of you and a big screen on the back wall? speaker-1: Well, it's ⁓ it's it's different when you're selling on T V screens like this. ⁓ it I can go a lot faster. I still like to be able to look down that ring and see the bull and and maybe say something about him as he's traveling around the ring sometimes and you know, if things stall out you can look down and talk about him a little bit. But it's made me ⁓ when we we have this environment where they're all on TVs It makes me get out there and get through the cattle better and mark my catalog better. Although I I've always been fanatic about doing that and getting into every pen and and I think trying to trying to be as prepared as I can be, but it this forces you to even get more prepared. speaker-0: And I I think that's probably probably good and bad for the customers as well. Would you agree with that that they probably have to be more prepared too when we do just a video sale compared to speaker-1: Well they do and the thing is if they don't get their first, second, third choice, it's a little harder to bid on a bull down the line that they can't see if they don't have marked. Whereas if he comes into the ring, maybe they're gonna say, Hey, I kinda like that bull. I'll go ahead and buy him. speaker-0: Yep, yep. Do do you think we gave up some some sense of urgency and some of that science of the sale with video versus having a calendar in? speaker-1: Yeah probably a little bit. although I think we sell with such speed, more speed when the cattle aren't in the ring, that maybe it in some cases it gives you a little more urgency. speaker-0: Yeah. Yeah. No, and I'm I'm obviously young enough, Roger, that hey my memories are not of of sales with cattle in a ring. You know, most everything for me has been this with the TVs and you always kinda side eye a little bit when somebody's got a sale with a ring today. Like you're gonna put the put the time and effort into running the bulls through the ring. But but it does also you've added the you have to plan for your video dates and your picture dates and it it does it probably doesn't create any less work in the overall. speaker-1: No, I matter of fact, even if you are gonna do it all on video and TVs you still need are even if you're gonna bring the kettle through the ring, you still need to do the videos. Everybody wants to be able to look ahead of time and and preview videos and things like that before the sale day. So even if you're putting them through the ring, you still need to go through all the work that's involved with this. speaker-0: And I have a million questions for you, Roger. I want to do this long form sometime, but for tonight, give me a couple of your favorite sales stories of just things that have happened because in your career you've had to have seen it all. speaker-1: You know, I've I've seen a lot. ⁓ I've seen a lot of crazy high sellers. I've seen some of the toughest days on the auction block you could ever imagine. you know, when I started there were sales where we didn't average a thousand dollars. And ⁓ those were tough days. ⁓ and now it's just the extreme. You know, I tell people I've waited forty three years to see this. It's it's been a lot of fun, but I've seen I've seen bulls get out in the crowd. I've had him on the auction block with me several times, and one of those times was at Gardner now Angus Ranch. And ⁓ we had an auction block that was open on both ends, but the bulls had to come by the auction block to get into the ring. And I was sitting there and the bull stuck his head in the door and looked up at me and I put my foot over there and kicked him in the head and he backed out. He did it again, he backed out, and the third time he came charging in there and come right up on the auction block. and out the other end and jumped into the crowd and tore up my sound system and we were about twenty minutes soldering things back together and and getting going and I remember turning on my microphone and Russ and I both got settled down again in our chairs and I says, Russ, you wanna sell that bull? He says, Well I'd sure like to and I started up and we sold that bull for seventeen hundred and fifty dollars and never looked back. speaker-0: Yeah. speaker-1: but ⁓ that's one of the really memorable ones and of course Rustinell is one of my favorite people, obviously, but and then I've had him you know, I had a bull jump the auction block and I'm not gonna say where one day and and just his head right into my face and knocked me off a bar stool and he came all the way over the auction block and that's about twenty years ago and I've had no sense of smell since that time. So that was that's very memorable. ⁓ especially when I'm in the kitchen cooking and I can't smell what I'm cooking. Yeah. Cooking's one of my favorite pastimes. Really? Yes. speaker-0: There's there's so many layers to Roger Jacobs. I cannot wait to do this long form. But you've obviously sold a pile of them. Not necessarily maybe a high seller, but i is there one that's that's memorable, Roger? speaker-1: You know, there's a lot of them that are memorable and and the high sellers obviously you remember those bulls that bring a hundred and eighty, two hundred thousand, maybe two hundred and fifty thousand. ⁓ I remember one day at Sitz ⁓ we were having a cow sale and I I think the record selling cow in the breed at the time was a hundred and some odd thousand and and we blew right by the record and Ten minutes later, another cow come in the door that was pretty popular, and Dick Beck said, Well, records are meant to be broken, and we broke the record again. Wow. And ⁓ I think the most rewarding sales for me are the the family-owned business that, you know, people have struggled for many years and speaker-0: But speaker-1: And maybe never had a great sale, but here in the last couple of years to see some of these people that were struggling along at you know, a three, four, five thousand dollar average, now average ten, twelve. ⁓ for example, I had a sale just recently that grossed ⁓ regross a million one and I looked back in my books and three years ago grossed four hundred thousand dollars. And it's a family owned outfit, multi generational and those are the most rewarding sales for me. Yeah. speaker-0: You have a family feel when you go there. It just fits. speaker-1: And ⁓ particularly when I come to Jorgensen's here, ⁓ Martin and Mary were extremely good friends and I you know, I've said it a number of times, when I come here it feels like I'm coming home. speaker-0: And we're so grateful that you continue to come, Roger. to have one of the I I say this and I'll fight anybody that disagrees, one of the top four greatest auctioneers in the business today. We love to have you here. it it makes the sale what it is. speaker-1: I appreciate you saying that and ⁓ I'm still enjoying my youth at my age, so plan on doing it for a while. speaker-0: Perfect. We don't want you to go anywhere. So thank you for your time tonight, Roger. We were so glad you made it to to the pre-sale dinner tonight and hopefully your steak was acceptable and we'll ⁓ we'll be ready to get at it tomorrow and have some fun selling some bullshit. speaker-1: All right, Jamie. ⁓ not only was the steak steak acceptable, it was awesome. Excellent. Had a great time. Thank you. speaker-0: Thanks Roger. Folks at home. Probably the the longest standing Jorgensen multiplier. ⁓ not the longest standing. We were late to the game. Okay. Greg came to me. We were doing things in parallel with what was going on here. And I had my own bull business. And then Greg came to me and says, This is what we're doing. Would you like to be part of this? And so when I came, I also brought the customer base that I had and rolled it on over. Folks Jack Moser sitting down with me, Spaulding, Nebraska. Jack, how's things in Spaulding? Things are dry. We need a rain. Had an inch of moisture since ⁓ middle of September. So we we we're right on the edge of the sand hills. If you drive up highway 281, some of our ground is on the east side. Most of the ground is east side of two eighty one and a little bit of ground on the west side of Highway two eighty one. Yes, sir. Yep. So you were telling Cody and I earlier the first year you came to the sale. ⁓ nineteen eighty seven and came s came there, had just had been to the Bonne View sale and then came over and came to Jorgensen's a week later and then Came back up again in the spring of eighty-eight and watched the sale, then fall of eighty-eight, ⁓ bought five five cows, four of which had bull calves on the side and and one heifer calf. Okay. So so give me give me some history, Jack, on your breeding program and your focus and emphasis. My My father was veterinarian and he started AIing cows in nineteen fifty. When he was in vet school, he worked through what is now CAB Sioux. And each morning they would collect the dairy bowl that belonged to Kansas State University, and he would go out with the instructor and they would AI cows every morning. And they'd extend that semen with With egg yolk at that point in time. Nineteen fifty seven, my dad's standing in a sale barn in Spaulding, Nebraska. And the worst brothers out of York, Nebraska, are dispersing their cowherd. And dad bought the entire cowherd of twenty four registered Angus cows. From that point in time he maintained registered Angus. He he went and was set as sale in in in Illinois that President Eisenhower was also there buying cattle the same day and at that he bought a son of the older miter. And I've spoken with Bernie Shear, used to be Potter, it used to be cotton and shear, now it's just cotton. But Bernie Shear said about the older miter cattle that they if you think that emulation 31 cattle are a handful, you've never met with an older miter. And I I remember the older miter cattle. They were they they were a handful. we started AIing in in 1974. And so there would have been ⁓ 707 in the tank and probably some 149. And then we quit AIing. we went through the cross spread phase. went through the what's now known as Bron Bay, the European type beef ground Swiss cattle, and did the Charlet thing, a little cemental, a little keania, and then got back to the roots and started buying some registerangus cows. We we purchased from Gardners, from Weerman's, from Sitz's, and from Jorgensen's and merged that whole cow herd together. and settled in on the Jorgensen type animal, whether it be from there or from what Weerman's were producing. And that's when I said I was running in parallel, it was it was that Weirman and Jorgensen parallel. So if you were gonna if you were gonna define your type and kind, Jack, what is your type and kind? You know, my father taught me to speaker-1: Yeah. speaker-0: Select the bull that's gonna make a you th what you think is gonna be the female you need. And the bull cows come. The focus has to be on the female. She's got to walk right. She's got to have hoof structure that's perfect. She's got to have that utter quality. And ⁓ we call hard. we it's you're lucky to survive with us. But once you get in the herd, once you've proven yourself to me, you're there for a long time. And We we we have a little bit of fallout. You know, you if you show up open, you're gone. Sorry. ⁓ somebody's gotta bring those dollars in. So I know that I know the old cow herd from when I came in here. it to me it was ⁓ as good a cow herd as ever walked. So so you've obviously seen a lot and that is a stab at your age, Jack. Jack, you've obviously seen a lot in your opinion. What's the five most influential bulls Jordan Sandle's ever sold? You know, which ones they've sold or which one they've used? Well, I want an ideal prefix. Okay. You know, I look at the roots of what made everything. Because without the Skyland mare bull coming through, you don't use, you don't make the the Rolling Rock 707 bull, which Martin owned, doesn't work right. So there we come in there and we we come in with 149, who a female making fool. And then we come along there and we've got 72. Full brother in blood, mothers or full sisters. But a bull that puts more meat, more muscle, more type and kind, just making it just that much better. you know, which leads on to thirty-six. ⁓ so you know, I'm going a long ways back. And then I don't get I don't get Some of my favorite females that were ever here were here were sired by a bull who's known in the industry as Super X, which Martin bought from Phil Averardson. But he was a big moose son. And I love Super X females. They were they had the they had the type and kind. And so I'd have to throw Moose or 36 in there to get that. And with Moose, I get the 087 cow. which we were talking earlier goes back to the to the purchase of the Black Cat Mare S ninety nine cow, which was one of Martin's purchases. So you you mentioned disposition earlier, Jack. how how how do you how do you feel about because for me personally and and everybody on this recording that listens to this knows there's times where I speak as as me and not Jordan Silena cattle. speaker-1: Okay. speaker-0: I don't mind the heat. Yeah. I would much rather deal with her and her take care of him than have one that's a pet that don't take care of him. You know, we've to this day right now, I've got I've got seven year old I've got two EXT sons who are working for me who were out of seven ⁓ seven daughters, who were out of the forty four sixty five cap, which gets you sixty eight ⁓ seven, twelve fifty four. don't mind it. And it I needed that maternal kick that came rolling in that that that gave me. ⁓ I j I ran into a little group of animals. I just didn't like where I was headed. And I thought, I'll jerk this thing back to where it where it needs to be. Jorgensen's along the way. They've used EXT derivatives along the way. And they they used emulation thirty-one along the way. So they there there are some things about those cattle that that fit They they don't fit the number guy. ⁓ absolutely but they sure fit the cattleman that's gotta have survivability. And some of those cows got a little heat, most of ⁓ don't. Yeah. And ⁓ and usually we can sort that animal out in the handling of her long before we ever got her bred. She and she she leaves awfully quick. And and there ain't never been a perfect one made, right? There's a sort with all of them. That's right. It doesn't matter what you use. There's there's always something and I've had this conversation quite a bit over the last two or three months that you have to ask yourself what you're willing to w what you're willing to put up with. What what fits my environment in I mean we cav and we cav in in 160 acre areas or 200 acre areas ⁓ versus what some people might have in a 15 acre lot and ⁓ what we'll put up with is a little different. Now come fall time I've got one of my guys is pretty tough on me and he he's got a good memory for who's gotta leave because if she was that big of a handful, she's gotta go. And it it could come out any sired group. It's probably my cow families. I you know, I just think it's Jack there's again, there's a sort with all of There wasn't a perfect one that's been made yet and we just have to decide are you gonna use him and put up with his holes or are you gonna use him and put up with his holes? That that's a hundred percent correct. We ⁓ We identify everybody real well. We know our SIRE groups and we can see those evolving females coming up the line and making that type and kind that we're after. we want her to be easy fleshing. We don't want we don't want her to we want her to mature early enough that we can get her bred, ⁓ get her d get her in production as fast as we can. We calve the heifers for fifty days is all the longer that we breed those heifers. We breed the cow herd for about sixty five. And so it's ⁓ in i in our operations bread or go down the road. Well yeah, and I I I look at it too, Jack, and and you take a program like Jorgensen's and and what you've done in spaulding where you know we we make this joke when it comes to to horses and and tie down horses or heel horses is that when you made them, you know what all the holes are because you created them. And so then it then it it allows you to have an understanding before you ever make a mating of that this is probably something I need to watch with him because I know the history of the pedigree behind him. Yeah, ev every mating has got to be a corrective mating. Because we all you better be able to see what you've done, what how you'd want her to be better. Hopefully you can. maybe harder doing natural sires because you don't know what they're gonna cut what they're gonna make. But some of the best animals I've ever had came from those natural sires. who maybe went back to an AI sire and maybe never did. It's you you know I Richard McClung told me one time you can you can lime breed the genotype or you can lime breed the phenotype and still probably get the same results. Richard was the was the herdsman for Wearmanangus and ⁓ remains a great friend of me of mine and of the Jorgensen program. Yep. So so we we live inside our lines at Jorgensen Lanacyattle most of the time. ⁓ speaker-1: Listen. speaker-0: if you were gonna have to pick one, what what what tag color is the is the one in spaulding? You know, and I've heard your I've heard I've kind of I have a little bit of an assumption but I wanna see if I'm right or not here. You know, I I I would I love the Ritos. The Ritos are my they're they're my heart and soul. That's the kind of cattle I like. I I've chased the 105 line. Hell I've got I've got a hundred units band one ⁓ five sitting around waiting for me, which would be your traveler line. They they've all got their places. I right now my ambulance line is is exploding off of off of the 1674 bull. And so there are there's so many things that You the ambulance line is where the old power play bull came from. So much of this goes back to to the start of open AI, which Martin made possible with the Angus Association. Otherwise we were we would have been fifteen years away from that. But those bulls that originally came and stopped stepped up to the original line, the power plays and the Shoshones and the The band line the entire band line of cattle and and the Rita line of cattle just I mean, they they all still show today. one ⁓ five and and seven ⁓ seven would show up in the majority of the Angus Pro Yeah. Pedigrees. Yeah. I mean you you just start looking at at you know that speak about the traveler line, you know, and my goodness probably the the most used sir line in the United States. I mean from twenty three four Through through through to one twenty four and then all of those derivatives of that one same mating on the Everelder Intense Cal. Yeah, and then and then you throw in ⁓ a band one ⁓ five son being to Ham a Bando who was one hundred five mated with a with a seventy two derivative. And so it's ⁓ I mean yeah that line of cattle just the impact in the industry is just unreal. The longer I I look at these cattle as these people have single trait selected. They're chasing they're chasing dollar C. Right now, that's the big game. Let's let's chase dollar C. Yeah. We'll we'll call it like it is here. We're not scared of it. You are you are you're chasing a terminal index. And when you chase that terminal index, you're creating a terminal animal. And if you're gonna do that, you may as well bread them white. 'Cause it it's gonna I can do in one generation with a Wagyu what what you're gonna chase that terminal at now. That being said, no, they're not gonna finish as quickly. They're not gonna grow as quick. And and I've dabbled a little bit because I wanna make sure that I'm happy with what I've done. I've I've used some of those higher dollar C cattle in an AI situation, but it's the litmus test that I get to tell me that I was heading in the right direction anyway. And when I can outperform those cattle and when I like those my females better than those females, then I know that I know that what I'm doing is right and ⁓ slow and steady wins the race. And there's no hurry and you cannot hurry breeding cattle. No, and you have to be making the decisions that you're making today. That decision made today is for two to three generations from now. That's right. You may you made that mating to get that animal in a specific place in the pedigree for the one that you're looking for two to three generations from now. Well, you know, when you start looking at that baby calf and you see her, I give a damn about the bull calf. I'll sell him off to to ⁓ be part of somebody else's program. to JLC. But when I'm already looking at her as a baby, trying to decide how I'm gonna mate her, and then what's gonna happen the next generation down the road, then you Then you've become a breeder. Otherwise you're just you're just a a propagator of I I was gonna say a multiplier, but I guess I'm a multiplier. You're you're a genetic partner, Jack. There you go. You're a genetic partner. And so yeah, you've got to you've got to have a plan. Yeah. And and you need to keep your own females. You better be making those kind of cattle that you make your own kind of females. Because that's where the progress happens. And you get to buy the top end, not the middle, not the bottom. And so and you know, you we've we've talked about EXT and a a bull like the Sky Mare Bull, ⁓ the new, the young Sky Mare Bull. Yes. You know, and those bulls are all they're gonna find a place in the pedigree. And and when you think about them, I have a place where I want them. But I have to make the female to get ⁓ to that place where I want them. That's right. And I mean when I look at the sky mares, yeah I'm gonna bring the Ritos back on top of because that's the history taught us. All you gotta do is go look back. And you can repeat it. And you will not. You won't you won't get much more than fifty percent in breeding and and it won't be a problem. It's so far back it won't matter. And you can turn around and do it again. And I think that's what maybe the Mother Load Project will do. They'll bring those cattle or repeat themselves and they're gonna make a a predictable animal. When you get seven ⁓ seven showing up as many times as it does in a lot of pedigrees, and in that case ⁓ Rito N bar even more, ⁓ predictability comes into play. How mind blowing is that on that one B bull? ⁓ it's unreal. I mean it just you just can't over twelve hundred times seven ⁓ seven clicks in that pedigree. It's I mean just incredible. It's incredible. Yeah. But you know that is that's three lifetimes of breeding to get to that point. We had speaker-1: Yeah. speaker-0: We had all the time that Martin and Don spent, and all the time that Greg and Brian worked on it, and now all the time that Cody and Nick were worked, and then then we've already got the next generation there coming up the line there. So ⁓ you know, that's the neat thing about Jorgensen's, it's so many, so many generations of people, not just cattle, but generations of people and a a family with direction to the animal that they're out to make and they have to meet their environment. They have to survive in West River, South Dakota, which is one of the tougher environments that you may ever meet with if you're a cow. She's not the most pleasant. No, no. It can it it can change. Give it an hour, the weather'll change. So well, I appreciate you taking some time with me today, Jack. We will be doing this in long form at some point over the next year with you and we'll we'll dive beef and you'll tell me how stupid I am multiple times. And that's what I love about you, Jack. Jamie, you and I have a good time. ⁓ yeah. And I and I like to harass you. Hey, the beauty. And by the way, that bull I was looking at the other day, eight generations back, I owned the mother on the cow family. So I knew exactly where it came from. See now, this is no longer my fault. I was getting I got a phone call and I was getting cursed. And I had committed a sin. Thank God. I know exactly where it came from and I owned her. Thank God it is not my fault. Jack can take it up with himself this time. Thank you, Jack. I appreciate you. Thank you. Pre-sale dinner. I'm joined by how many years you've been coming to Jorgenson Lanic Cattle, Mr. DK? speaker-1: ⁓ since nineteen eighty two. speaker-0: Nineteen eighty two. Perry DK, Niarbur, Nebraska. ⁓ how many years have you been a genetic partner? speaker-1: Probably since they started. But we've been exclusively Jorges and genetics since nineteen ninety four. So speaker-0: Just so you know that was the year I was born, Perry. speaker-1: So you're telling me it's time for the speaker-0: No sir, I'm telling you you're just hitting your stride. so tell me a little bit about the history of DK Ranch. when you guys started, ⁓ are you first generation, second generation, and just a little bit of that information, Perry. speaker-1: ⁓ my brother and I'd be fourth generation. ⁓ I live on the home place that ⁓ my great grandparents would have been on or my great grand yeah, be my great grandparents in eighteen ninety eight. So ⁓ we're situated on the Ponka Creek between the ⁓ Missouri and ⁓ Naiborough Rivers about fifteen miles west of the confluence where the Nyborh runs into the Missouri in northeast Nebraska. speaker-0: Okay. always been Angus Cattle? speaker-1: Not always. ⁓ my folks had Herford when I was a kid or back in ⁓ the early late sixties we started bringing Angus on to crossbreed and ⁓ put on first calf hefers. So that's how we end up with black baldy cows originally. speaker-0: Okay. What what brought you to Jorgensen's? speaker-1: Well We had went out when I started ⁓ my dad turned me loose buying the bulls in about seventy-seven or seventy-eight and went up to a producer in South Dakota and we found some Rito bred cattle that we really liked, so we got the tracing the bloodlines back and they come up here to ideal or up to Martin's. So in eighty-two we come up to take a look at things and actually he's looking at a c couple of cows but that didn't happen. speaker-0: Little a little outpriced on that deal. That'll happen to a guy, happens to me routinely. Yeah. So tell me about Perry DK's type and kind. What what what do you look for in a cow, Perry? What's your type and kind? ⁓ is there anything specific that that you absolutely demand out of that cow? speaker-1: Yeah, I got a I got a rude awakening. Well, first place she's gotta breed and have a calf. like br broodiness, wanna have some, you know, springer rib. I like thick cattle, moderate. I like to have moderate framed and I I think our cows will be in that thirteen hundred pound range when they're mature and trying to match ⁓ up to our environment. ⁓ Just I guess s some of the basic things looking at. Then utter utter quality and you know, how she's gonna travel and on the cow side. Yeah. speaker-0: Yeah. Yeah, so you mentioned the Ritos when you were when you were early coming to Jorgens and and you've been with us through a lot of change at Jorgensen Landing Cattle, obviously, Perry. Are there any cattle that just absolutely stick out in your mind over the years that that have just been been one that you just love? speaker-1: Yeah. No, I think we've constantly tried to evolve the and mix and match between the the various the band and the Ritos and Amulus and just trying to put good cattle on good cattle. ⁓ obviously we've tried pick bulls that come out of what do we consider good cows. ⁓ We've always strived for optimum production and not n necessarily maximum production. In in our in our deal, ⁓ we might not have the biggest feeder cattle, but I think the cow herd was were look for the feed efficiency or the fleshing ability and just the things that ⁓ I've always felt the cows should take care of me rather than mean taking care of the cows. speaker-0: Right. Absolutely. Absolutely, absolutely. Yeah those those convenience things, you know, that that cow that that you just don't notice. You know how many great ones have walked walked the ground Perry that you just never knew how great she was because you had no reason to know who she was. Yeah. speaker-1: Yeah. Well, back when we were, we f my brother Barry is my partner down there. And when we first started AI, and they had ⁓ Bull 7451, which was made it which he was a he was a son of the 4465 cow. And ⁓ for five years straight, we we made it every AI to her, and for three years. Right at the start of that we ⁓ had a there was a bowl eighty two ninety six, which they were two of the the first two feed efficiency bowls that Greg and Martin had cha ⁓ had tr tried to pick out. ⁓ both of ⁓ were out of the four, four, six, five cows. So we had a lot of her early influence into the deal. So I guess I've always tried to keep an eye out for a similar type cow with production history that's gonna continue that kind of legacy on. So speaker-0: You bet. Well, Perry, thank you for jumping up here. I always enjoy visiting with you. Perry calls, tells me, Gosh dang it, I need this and I say yes, sir. We enjoy you, Perry. Thank you so much, sir. And we look forward to to having a good day tomorrow and ⁓ appreciate you being part of our team and our family. You bet thanks for the thanks, Perry. speaker-1: Preaching. speaker-0: Here for another interview in our pre-sale shenanigans episode. ⁓ sitting down with Mr. Brian Angus. ⁓ and I caught a little bit of accent, Brian. Where are you from, sir? ⁓ Jamie, I'm from South Africa regionally. Okay. But ⁓ we live in Texas now. We've been in Texas for four years. You bet. You bet. So Brian interned at Jorgensen Atlanta Cattle, and this shows how long the internship program has been running here in nineteen seventy nine eighty. Correct. Correct. You bet. So how old would you have been then, Brian? I was like twenty-one, twenty-two. Okay. ⁓ were you going to school in the States at the time? I was an exchange student at the University of Minnesota and I was on an exchange program and I managed to work, you know, to get to the Jorgensons. So our family were were Angus breeders in South Africa. So that was like first prize for me to get here. You go I was very fortunate here to I actually lived with Martin and Mary in their house in in the basement. Okay. So So I wanna I wanna get a history lesson now. So you said your family was in the Angus business in South Africa. Yes. are they still in business today? No. So my mom and dad passed passed away and I sold out ⁓ four years ago. ⁓ we moved, we sold all our cattle and land and moved moved ⁓ America. Okay, so before we get into the Jorgens and Landon cattle conversation, because now I'm very intrigued, Brian, tell me about a South African Angus cow. What what is the differences between her and a and a cow that we would talk about in the States? I think right now they're roughly the same. So probably the ⁓ the South Africans would follow the trends that have have occurred through the years. You know, in the beginning the we had we all all had the big cattle. You know, the pine drive big skies and all those, you know, those lines. ⁓ but predominantly they use a lot of American genetics. So, you know, if you want to get ahead, the big advantage is that the American cattle have been been tested, ⁓ they've got breeding values. So you're pretty sure when you import semen that you know you can you can get what you what you what you're looking for. You've added a layer of predictability there when you when you do that. Yeah and also an advantage is to come over to America and go to the herds and kind of see if you can see progeny of those bulls. You bet, absolutely. So I'd say all the all the top readers would be importing semill on a yearly basis. And and embryos now and again. Right. Okay. You bet. Okay, so we are going to talk about 79 and 80 You you lived in Martin and Mary's house, which ⁓ our earlier guest Philip, he now lives in that house. Correct. Tell me about your time as an intern at Jorgensen Land and Cattle. I'm sure you have some stories. I've got plenty, but I don't know if I can tell you all those stories. Well Greg and I Greg and I were young and ⁓ But I I learnt a heck of a lot. I learnt a lect ⁓ and and and just the quality of the people, you know. It was I was in an internship but I was You know, we became friends, so I really enjoyed my time, yeah. Really enjoyed it. Yep. So you gotta give me one st one story on Martin and one story on Greg. It can be it can be funny, it can be butt chewing, but I gotta ha I gotta get one. Well My my memories of Martin was him sitting at the table. He used to sit in the breakfast room table and they had the telephone next to him and all his books and Mary would she did the books for for all the for the whole all the cattle and for probably for the business. I can remember sitting with him, drinking coffee, and and he was busy with a rural water scheme. He helped to get the scheme in here and he was busy with that. And then I didn't know about Performance testing and breeding values and that's what I learned here at at the Jorgensons. So I learnt a heck of a lot in in in a short space of time. And then Greg and I stayed friends and then I met a a young lady at the University of Minnesota and we got married and Greg and and Debbie came to our wedding in in ⁓ in Minneapolis. Yeah. Yep. So you gotta give me one on Greg. Greg tells stories on himself. Give me a Greg story, please. There are many. probably the The time I won't forget is ⁓ so Martin and Mary went ⁓ on a on a cruise. I think we went down the Mississippi with their friends. And Greg tried to do a month's work in a week to to impress his dad. Now he might say no. But anyway, so and then he also believed, which is you know, in those days, that was our thinking process that if you're gonna weigh cattle, you need them in a in a uniformed group, you know, you need a contemporary group and that. So he he figured he could win all the calves in one day. Which didn't work out. And then what actually happened that day, it started snowing, it started sleeting. He wouldn't quit. Surely not. He would not quit. And I had like normal boots on. And ⁓ Shane, Shane's still here. Shane Shane was helping we we we worked together. The mud came into my shoes and eventually it was speaker-1: Right. speaker-0: It was we were ice cold. We went back to the house for lunch. And then he gave me some wet boots and like gum boots to wear. But we were soaking. And then I'd I always love to tell the story that we'd be working out in the and Lyle Visika, he was also here. But we'd take chances to sit in the truck 'cause it was so cold. And then the this I mean, Greg sat there half the time in the in the truck. Yeah. speaker-1: Yeah. speaker-0: Surely not. Surely you didn't say intern get after it. Yes, sir. That is a great story. Yeah. Thank you for sitting down and telling that. Very nice. And ⁓ it is it's fabulous that we have you here. Thank you for coming up. You but can I ask you one more question? Of course. So when it comes to marketing Angus cattle in South Africa, what's the major ⁓ You know, is there a lot of purebred operations and then ⁓ Th there are quite a few ⁓ purebred operations. We we also have a certified Angus beef program there, which I actually started. Really? Yeah. I was on the board for twenty one years and two terms as president. ⁓ Wow. Of the Angus. So I'm I was very involved, yeah. So I've always been involved with the with the Angus with the breed and and performance testing and so on. Absolutely. And caucus, you know, a lot of carc we did a lot of carcass work. in ⁓ in South Africa. But it's like we can import semen, you know, if we want to increase increase marbling or ribeye. You know, if we use the E B V's, breathing values, I mean it's it's a no brainer. It's very easy. It's very predictable. Yes, sir. Absolutely. Well thank you so much, Brian. I appreciate your time. At some point I'm gonna get more time with you because I am fascinated. ⁓ with Angus Cattle in South Africa in this conversation. But I'm gonna let you finish up your evening here. Thank you for taking the time, sir. Thank you for intervening here. You bet