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Jill Cirillo: From Striving to Surrender · Why I Believe

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  Hello and welcome back to Why I Believe.
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  I am your host Michelle Von Ruden and today I have my good friend Jill Cirilla with me.
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  Jill, can you please tell our audience a little bit about yourself?
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  Hi thank you for having me.
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  My name is Jill Cirillo as Michelle mentioned.
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  My background is that I worked about 20 plus years in the corporate world climbing the corporate ladder and now as of today I am in a new venture leading a business called Faith
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  Meets Leadership and it's really focused on thriving in business and life and putting God at the center.
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  Awesome.
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  Well, thank you.
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  Thank you for sharing that with us.
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  So you're starting a new venture, putting God at the center.
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  But as we've talked, God hasn't always been at the center of your life, has he?
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  No, no he has not.
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  He has been.
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  you tell us how that evolved for you?
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  Yeah, so I would say that this story started many, many months ago in which I was actually a point where I was lying in bed that this kind of came to a head.
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  I was lying in bed preparing for the upcoming work week.
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  It was Sunday night.
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  And as many of us have found that Sunday nights are a time when the weight is heavy.
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  Actually, there are statistics around the fact that that's the busiest time at the emergency room.
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  And it's because there's so
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  much weight that we're carrying and that's the point where I was.
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  I was was striving and I was working to try to do things on my own.
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  and I was looking at the things I had to complete in business.
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  I was uh climbing the corporate ladder, concerned about how I showed up for my peers, the achievements, the deliverables that I had to do.
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  And then on top of it all, I wanted to be present for my family and show up for them and be financially stable for my husband.
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  And it was just a lot of weight.
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  And that pressure was there for me every single week.
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  there was actually a point where I came
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  across this quote and this is really probably where the epiphany was the change and make a shift was and I'll read it to you it's if you don't sacrifice for what you want what you
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  want becomes the sacrifice
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  That's so true.
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  Yeah, and I was like asking myself, do I really want to get to the end of my life and climb the corporate ladder, achieved a bunch of things, made a bunch of money, and not
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  really put focus on what mattered to me most, which was God, and fulfilling that calling and the people in my life, my family, and really making an impact.
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  And so that was the tipping point.
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  That was the makeup call, huh?
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  That was the wake up call.
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  Yeah, and then I was explaining to my sister-in-law and I didn't really know what to do at that point.
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  So I was kind of trying to figure this out and I said to her, you know, my relationship with God is the only thing that's getting me through, you know, past this point of like
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  striving and she looked at me and she goes, really?
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  But how?
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  How do you have a relationship with God?
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  And I was like, wow, that's a really good point.
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  Like I started to answer thinking like I am a profound and deep Christian and I should be able to answer this with ease.
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  And for some reason I fumbled through it and I wasn't able to give her an answer.
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  Yeah, that's kind of scary, isn't it?
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  We think that we're doing all the right things and then when somebody goes, well, how are you doing it?
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  And you're like, stop shooting your tracks.
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  Yeah, so you knew you had to make a change.
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  I knew I had to make a change.
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  you know, as I was preparing for this uh podcast, I thought a little bit about the name of what you call it.
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  You call it the Why I Believe podcast.
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  And, you know, it's interesting because, you you're asking people for their story and the why you believe.
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  I was coming back to like, well, I have belief forever and I don't really have a big story there, right?
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  I grew up as a Christian.
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  I grew up in the Catholic Church.
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  uh Now I'm non-denominational, but I grew up, you know, having a firm belief.
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  in God.
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  And it's interesting because even though I had a belief in God, and many people do have a story that's like, I now found God and kind of changed and that's amazing.
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  But for me, it was more about, well,
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  if I believe, what am I doing about it?
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  And when you look at the definition of believe, I looked up the definition, it says, uh the definition of belief is to accept something as true or real, often without absolute
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  proof.
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  And so I looked at that and I was like, but at a deeper level,
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  believe is less about a sentence that we play around in our head and it's more about what you actually live out as true.
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  And this matters because that's where many of us fall short.
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  We say we believe, but when it comes to living that out, our flesh takes over, which was what was happening to me.
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  And that's where my story came to life and where I made a change and an impact.
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  And so I sought out like, do I have a relationship with God?
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  Yeah, and I absolutely love that you differentiate that and that you come to that conclusion, right?
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  And I think that's so true.
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  And we've had other guests talk about, I inherited my faith, but then I chose it too.
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  And, know, Jill, you and I were talking a little bit about this beforehand.
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  And I had mentioned, you know, for everyone who's seen the Facebook page, you'll see that there's a scripture on there it says, your light so shine before others that they may see
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  your good works and glorify your father in heaven.
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  Matthew 5, 16.
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  And it is just for that purpose, right?
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  So yeah, the podcast is called Why I Believe because really what I want to do is get people to start that relationship, have that little bit of faith.
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  And then we definitely want to go to the next level where we're having that relationship, where we're realizing that is where satisfaction and peace and everything come through,
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  which is kind of what you learned as you started moving through the process, correct?
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  Yeah, yeah, that's it.
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  And there's actually a Bible verse that I thought was helpful.
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  And I'll explain in a second this little bit about how to have a relationship and some of the seeds on my journey.
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  But the Bible verse is Romans 12, 2, says, do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed and progressively changed by the renewing of your mind.
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  And that was the Bible verse that God brought me to when I said, how do you have a relationship with God?
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  And it was the whole point of, you know, we're made up of a spirit, a mind, which is our soul and in a body.
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  And the spirit is where we have unity with God and with the Holy Spirit and where he speaks to us.
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  And so, and that's what fills our mind, which is why, you know, many today we're struggling with anxiety and all the things because we're turning to the world and we're
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  looking to the world to tell us
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  what our identity is and how we should live and how we should act.
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  Whereas if we turn into our spirit and really hear from him, that's where we're going to have the removing of our mind to make a difference.
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  And so we need to turn inward, turn our mind to God rather than to the world.
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  And that's what's going to change us.
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  Yeah, that's so great.
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  I love how we're walking the same path in different parts of the state.
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  I know, I know we talked about this before.
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  We do have a similar path and God has really brought us here.
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  Yes, absolutely.
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  So you mentioned you've had some seeds or some God wings, some things that have happened in your life that really just show that he's walking alongside you.
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  Do want to share a couple of those stories with us?
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  Yeah, yeah, there's, well, there's several.
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  think actually I have a book that's coming out and I share like my seed journey because I think that God is constantly, you know, uh
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  He's connecting with us.
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  Even when we are turned to the world, he's got little seeds that he's planting because he knows how to bring us to him in relationship with him in the right and perfect way.
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  so one of them was, I'll share a couple, impact for once.
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  One of them was a long time ago when I was first trying to figure out my career and I felt like this is where God, I think, puts in your soul kind of where he wants you to go and
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  you got to determine if you follow it.
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  And he was really putting in me that I wanted to make an impact
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  and help others to have a relationship with God.
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  And I wanted to, but I had this passion for business and I started a career in business and I was like.
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  God, I don't feel like I'm really helping others.
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  And so there was actually a pastor, I was really struggling with it, and there was actually a pastor's wife that I ended up at um a Bible study with, and she somehow led me
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  to this, well, Jill, we need Christians in business, right?
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  And so now it's interesting, because come full circle, God is really showing me he wants me to bring uh faith to business.
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  So that's one.
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  um
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  Another one is actually a Bible verse that I want to read to you.
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  And this is where when I was really trying to determine, you know, when I stepped away from the corporate world and actually part of what in order for me to do that, I actually
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  had to give God permission in my journal to say, God, if this is what's pulling me from you and how to have relationship with them, then take my job away.
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  And he did about two months later.
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  That was a seed.
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  And as that happened, I said, OK, God, let me help me to do this right.
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  Help me to find the path that you want for me.
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  he said this is the I had a person I was at some event a Christian event and I met this guy I met him I was probably talked to him for a whole total of like a minute and he just
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  all of sudden I get this light bulb and he's like hold on but God is God's got a Bible verse that he wants me to give you and he came back and he goes this is this is the one
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  this is what he's telling me it was Psalm 32 and it says I hear the Lord saying I will stay close to you because I was like what do want me to do instructing and guiding
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  you along the pathway for your life.
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  I will advise you along the way and lead you forth with my eyes as your guide.
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  So don't make it difficult.
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  Don't be stubborn when I take you where you've not been before because I was afraid to leave the corporate world.
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  I was thinking about going back and he said don't make it says don't make me tug you and pull you along just come with me.
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  And so that was a key seed of guiding me to start this new venture.
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  in my company called Faith Meets Leadership.
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  Yeah, and I don't think people grasp unless they've done it themselves how scary it is to leave a job and go into the unknown and work for yourself.
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  It is very scary.
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  It is not something, especially if you have a family, right?
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  I know you're married, right?
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  And here you are doing the thing, right?
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  ah I made that leap too, and I have two kids.
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  It's just a really, it's not an easy or a light decision to make.
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  Yeah.
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  But God made it easier for you.
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  Yeah, and I think that's the thing too, to your point, like we often, it goes back to this belief thing, you know, we're talking about the fact of like when we believe, yes, we
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  believe God is real.
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  Yes, we believe in, you know, believe in the Bible and the things that God has, you know, put on this earth for us to know and live as true.
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  But one of those is to trust in Him and to follow Him.
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  And I didn't need to know the next step, which was actually the scary part.
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  This whole entire time I'm like,
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  I have to have a plan for how to provide for my family.
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  And God's like, I love you enough, I'm going to provide.
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  Just trust me and step out.
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  And so the next seed actually, this one was actually really cool.
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  So I got this Bible verse and then I'm driving to Whitewater and I am praying and I'm like, God, he's kind of this vision in my head of like faith, leadership and business.
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  And I'm like,
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  really this you really want you want me to put faith in business like that this just seems like in the secular world I just don't know and at that he was actually was like a whole
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  vision that was in my head and at that very moment when I was praying about it they're right in front of me was a white deer
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  And so, yeah, it made me stop and then, and I felt him saying like, go, go to work and look it up and tell, look at what it says.
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  And it has two pieces to it.
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  One was around, uh, like a spiritual connection and change that's happening in your life.
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  And, um, it was around making a change for, for God.
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  So anyway, so was a very good, another seed, uh, I guess that God was going to showing me to guide me to the next step.
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  Dad, how has your faith grown since you just surrendered and put all your trust into him?
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  Yeah.
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  It's actually amazing, Michelle, when you look at the faith.
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  When you start to have a relationship with God, I actually have what I call a keystone habit, and obviously it's a relationship with God, but it's got parts to it.
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  so when you start to have one of the, I'll break into four pieces.
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  The first one is connection, and that's where you're spending focused, deep, intimate time with God.
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  Not just the two minutes.
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  day that I was spending before, but actually spend some focused time with him.
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  you know relationship with God requires two-way communication.
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  he speaks to you.
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  Oftentimes it's a surprise people like how does God speak to you?
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  God does speak to you if you spend the time and intimate time with him and have that quiet time.
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  So it's deep, know, focused time with him.
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  He speaks through the Bible, spending time in his word, and when he does that he highlights things that are important for your life and in Holy Spirit.
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  is like your guide and mentor the way pulling things off of the page for you.
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  So it's connection.
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  The second one is character.
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  And this is where I'm leaning into your question around like what's it like to have a really or have trust in God and what is your how's your faith grown?
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  is through the second one around character.
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  Because once you spend time with him, God then shows you things that have been a barrier in your life.
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  For me, being in the corporate world, one of them was like I had a lot of pride and I was trying to live out this person of what I thought that the world needed me to be.
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  And I thought that was so important.
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  I cared about how I showed up and what other leaders thought of
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  me.
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  Another one was jealousy because I'm like, that leader's, they're kicking butt over here.
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  Like how do I do that?
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  Mm-hmm.
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  so there's all these things that he was showing me about my character.
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  And as he plucked those things away, and one of them was actually, you know, just actually having faith in people in the economy rather than in God.
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  Like that's another one.
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  And so it's just amazing the way it grows.
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  I'll quickly, just because I want to cover the other four.
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  The other one is community and having a group of people that you trust that are Christian people to be with you and
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  in your journey and the last one is another C which is calling and that's around him showing your identity and what he has for your life because we all have a purpose it's
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  it's uh predestined so
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  Yeah, and I love how you lay out those four steps and I'm guessing that's the keystone, right?
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  That's awesome.
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  Do you, and I know a lot of people start their mornings with God.
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  Is that part of your process?
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  Do you start in your day or what does your day look like and how is he walking alongside you every day?
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  Yeah, great question.
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  yes, there are, so let's talk routine.
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  So there are, there's a morning routine and there's an evening routine and all of it, both of it includes time in terms of quiet time with God, prayer, Bible.
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  And then there's actually some focused questions that I asked.
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  Actually, these questions I think are important too, because you you think about this makeup of our spirit and our mind and our body, you know, there's different
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  times of the day where you can have a deeper closer intimate time with God and hear from the Holy Spirit and that has to do with your subconscious mind.
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  So some of these questions by planting those questions and answering some of those things around what's your gratitude and um what are some things that the wins from the day what
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  are some things that uh what's a problem you want God to help you solve like those types of questions you can plant and then when
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  you sleep, like he works and he speaks to you.
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  So those are really, really important things.
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  The other thing I would say is this keystone habit.
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  I call it the pause, pray, and pave method.
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  And that's just to help you remember is like, okay, if I'm going into a meeting for these business leaders, if I'm going into a meeting, you don't just need to go into the meeting.
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  You can pause, you can pray, and then you're able to go in there and pave the way because God is going to help guide you in those things.
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  There's all these, you know, daily walk, I guess, you can spend it.
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  know, any time I go into a, before I had this podcast, I had that pause, pray, and pave.
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  Yeah, I love that.
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  And you know, I think one of the most important things that you're talking about, I mean, all of it's important, right?
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  It's all good.
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  But you say that we need to stop and just be still is really what you're saying.
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  Because when we are still and we get that space to listen, that's when we can really hear the Holy Spirit coming down and talking to us, right?
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  But without that, are we really, if we don't have that space,
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  We're not hearing anything because we're busy being busy.
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  Yeah.
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  That's exactly it.
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  And actually, that's another tactic of the devil, right?
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  As we both know, being busy and being burdened is at the top of his list.
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  And that's the thing with this world.
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  We live in a place where we have constant access to things that are filling us with the world.
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  And we need that focused time with God.
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  And if you look at even the stories in the Bible, Jesus, had
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  God living inside of him needed to go sit on the mountain by himself and pray for hours in the morning, hours at night, and he would get away every single time to go do that, to
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  make that special time.
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  So how much more do we need that still time with God?
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  Yeah, and think it's...
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  Great.
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  You know, I have a morning routine like before I start working, I have my time where I just, you know, I'm doing the Bible in the Ear Podcast, I'm listening to that, I'm
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  spending time with Jesus and I'm spending the time in the morning.
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  And then at the end of the day, I'm thanking Him, right, for allowing me to have the day I had.
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  Whether it's good or bad doesn't really matter because the time period of a day is so small relative to our entire lifetime.
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  and we're in the thick of things as we speak, right?
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  So we don't know, we can't see where that bad day might be leading us to, right?
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  So it might be the worst thing we're experiencing today.
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  And for the most part, our worst things aren't really that bad, right?
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  I mean, there are times, right, you you experience the death of the family, things like that, those are bad, right?
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  I'm not discounting that.
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  However, you know,
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  Your car doesn't start.
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  Well, is that a blessing?
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  Where there have been an accident, you know, and it started five minutes later, right?
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  I just see those little Godwigs and those things that are happening for us.
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  And I thank God for them because we don't know why they happen, but he does.
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  Yeah, you're right.
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  God is not time bound and he knows it all, right?
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  And I think that's the other thing I say on a daily basis.
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  I think I drive my kids crazy, but I tell them, I'm like, God is sovereign.
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  He is in charge of it all.
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  There's nothing that happens on this world without him knowing about it.
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  And I guarantee you that if we are in unity and relationship with him, he knows what's happening with us and he's got a plan for good.
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  Yeah, I think that's one of the things I want to touch base with you on, since you brought it up, is how has your faith journey impacted that of your family, your husband and your
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  kids, right?
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  Because you've made a conscious choice to have a bigger, better relationship.
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  And I've got to imagine it's trickling down, right?
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  Yeah, that's a great and fantastic question, Michelle.
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  I think it's so many ways.
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  Number one, think the biggest thing is that my kids are probably knew that I had a problem before I did.
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  They saw it on a regular basis, just where my focus is.
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  And there's a quote from somewhere, I can't remember exactly how it goes, but it goes, what you spend your time on is what shows people what you care about and what's important
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  to you.
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  And so that's what they saw is they saw me working on a regular basis and oftentimes if I wasn't working, I was also not present because my mind was distracted by the challenges
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  and the weight and the things that I was trying to solve on my own.
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  So I think that's number one.
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  Number two, was also um just a shift in, you know, even just the...
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  um
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  God's one of the other things God's showing me is the importance of, you know, unity at the marriage and making that marriage important.
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  So when you're busy in burden and things are busy with the kids, you're spending a lot of time on that and not really, you know, as focused on unity with your significant other.
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  And so that was another area where we spent a lot of time growing and learning as well.
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  So just so many things, so many things.
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  But I think the biggest thing is
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  You know, you're the way you have, if you're full of God, your presence feels different and that shows up in your house.
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  And that I think is probably the biggest impact is there's just a different feel to our household.
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  Yeah.
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  So are your kids diving more into their relationship then?
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  Yeah, so.
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  I think they are actually it's one of those where you know I always feel like it's a constant challenge you know how to be the best parent without like pushing things on them
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  but it's really it starts with let's let's do a devotion at dinner let's do a bible study together like my daughters and I do a bible study together and we discuss it starts with
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  you know let's uh you know obviously go to church on Sunday let let's just do these let's go to this Christian concert and so it's
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  really helping them see that you're living it out and being an example in it.
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  And again, what they see you focus on is they see that the Bible and God's important to me.
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  And, you know, we talk about why that's important and how important it is to, you know, be pure and, you know, really live out God's ways because, you know, sin is impactful.
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  So.
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  Oh, absolutely.
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  Well, thank you.
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  If there is one message you want to give the listeners today, what would that be?
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  One thing you want them to take away?
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  One thing I want them to take away, I think the one thing I want them to take away is this keystone habit.
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  The reason I call it a keystone habit is because it's the one thing, like if you think about a keystone, it sits at the top of an arch and it holds the arch up.
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  If the keystone is not there, then everything falls.
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  And that's the most important thing is make God and that relationship and that time with God your number one.
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  And truly, just if you have to work on one thing, that's the one thing you should work on, is figuring out how to make space and time for God.
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  He'll show you the rest.
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  You don't have to do, you don't have to make these changes on your own.
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  He will help you make them.
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  That's the thing.
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  He'll give you the fruits of the Spirit.
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  Yeah, and just start.
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  doesn't have to be, you know, an hour session, you know, five minutes, right?
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  Just start small.
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  But the key is just to start.
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  Absolutely.
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  Yeah.
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  Well, you have given us some really good Bible verses as we've sat here today uh from Romans 12 to uh Psalms 32.
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  But what is your go-to Bible verse?
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  What's your favorite?
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  So my go-to Bible verse.
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  I hope you're going to love this.
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  Actually, so here's one other, this is actually advice in a Bible verse all in one.
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  So if you did not create a word for the year for yourself, I recommend everyone creates a word for the year.
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  And I started out with starting the year going, okay, I'm going to create a word.
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  And you know, like we do, I came up with it and it was like discipline.
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  I'm going to be disciplined.
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  And I was like, words kind of crappy.
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  And then I was like, you know what?
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  I didn't actually ask God.
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  what that word should be.
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  So I switched it and I spent some time with God and I prayed over it and I asked God to show me the word that he wanted me to focus on and then from there you tie a Bible verse
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  to it and it kind of becomes your focus for the year.
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  So in this case I prayed about it and it was like almost immediately the word that came across was steadfast.
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  and steadfast, I heard steadfast and in the will of God, in the righteousness of God.
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  So then I looked up this word and the definition means firm and unwavering in purpose and belief and commitment, not changing despite difficulty, pressure, or temptation, right?
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  It's hard to live out our faith.
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  It's hard to bring faith to leadership.
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  You're loyal, fixed, and dependable over time.
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  Alright, so then I asked for a Bible verse.
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  That was the definition.
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  And here's where this is amazing.
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  It's a fabled Bible verse.
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  so it's Titus 3, 7 through 8.
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  So it's two Bible verses.
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  But I'll highlight a few things.
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  So this is to set this up is This is this is Paul and he's talking to Titus who's his trusted companion right?
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  It's to shut son in faith and and he's teaching him how to go out and you know teach and why this is important and so That just sets up a little bit of context It says and he did
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  it in order that we might be justified by grace by his favor wholly undeserved that we might be
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  acknowledged and counted as confirmed to the divine will and purpose, thought and action, and that we might become heirs of eternal life according to our hope.
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  This message is most trustworthy and concerning these things that I want you to insist steadfastly so that those who have believed, right, who are believers trusted in and
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  relied on God and maybe did that.
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  But now that they apply themselves to honorable occupation, so bringing it to your work and to doing good for such things are excellent and right in themselves and they're good
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  and profitable for the people." And so I know it was a long, long way of answering your question, but the point is like this
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  the mission that I'm set out to do and that's what God placed on my heart and the whole point of it is to have a deeper relationship with God.
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  That's essence of that whole message that he's telling Paul's telling Titus to do is to go out be steadfast don't let other people stop you from sharing my word and helping them to
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  have a relationship with me.
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  I love it.
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  It's so good.
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  So good.
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  Yeah.
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  Yes.
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  Yeah.
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  And I actually, this is one of the first years I actually did uh Word of the Year.
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  And so I'll just share mine.
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  So mine is actually identity.
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  And so really it was like the unmasking and starting to, because I've spoke in Christian settings before, but it was really this, right?
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  Coming out and doing it full force and just.
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  letting God shine his light through me.
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  yep.
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  I love too, doing the Word is so powerful too, because it starts out with a really good, what you believe it means and the impact.
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  And then as you focus on it and pray about it and learn throughout the year, it has a new meaning.
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  At the end, God shows you more about what he was trying to do work in you.
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  So it's just, it's amazing.
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  God works in such amazing ways.
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  Yes.
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  Well, thank you so much for being here today.
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  I really appreciate your time, Jill.
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  It's been such a blessing having you here with us.
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  Yeah, thank you for having me, Michelle, and God bless everyone.
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  Thank