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Violet Night- Connor Pohl · Caught on the Mike...

• 0:59
  SPEAKER_01: We have a fantastic conversation about all of these things and what is to come down.
• 1:06
  SPEAKER_01: Ladies and gentlemen, this is Caught on the Mic.
• 1:15
  SPEAKER_01: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another episode of Caught on the Mic.
• 1:19
  SPEAKER_01: You know I like talking about music.
• 1:22
  SPEAKER_01: Moreover, I like talking about music and songs that have themes that I can relate to.
• 1:30
  SPEAKER_01: Here's a brand new band or newish band on the scene, a band called Violet Night.
• 1:36
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe you've heard of them, maybe you haven't, but I hope after this episode you run over to your streaming platform and you check them out.
• 1:43
  SPEAKER_01: Connor is joining me on the show today.
• 1:45
  SPEAKER_01: Connor, how the heck are you?
• 1:47
  SPEAKER_00: You hear like a little golf clap.
• 1:49
  SPEAKER_00: That'd be cool if we edited that in.
• 1:50
  SPEAKER_00: I'm great.
• 1:50
  SPEAKER_00: How are you?
• 1:51
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you for having me.
• 1:52
  SPEAKER_00: But it'd be cool, you know, like for the prices right, come on down, you know.
• 1:56
  SPEAKER_01: Well, then we we need to do the the prices right negative, siren.
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 2:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 2:04
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but yeah, no, I'm great.
• 2:05
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you for having me.
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_01: Um, how are you doing?
• 2:07
  SPEAKER_01: Fantastic, man.
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_01: I am so glad we finally made this happen.
• 2:11
  SPEAKER_01: I think we made three or four attempts to to make this uh make this connection, and I'm glad we finally got it going on.
• 2:19
  SPEAKER_01: I've been on vacation this last week.
• 2:22
  SPEAKER_01: I know you're from Canada.
• 2:24
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I was in Mexico.
• 2:26
  SPEAKER_00: No, I'm just kidding.
• 2:28
  SPEAKER_01: I was in Mexico this last week, and my buddy was at a neighboring resort, and he shoots me a text.
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_01: He goes, Have you ever seen so many Canadians at one resort at one time?
• 2:39
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, Can you blame them?
• 2:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 2:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it do be cold up here sometimes, you know.
• 2:46
  SPEAKER_01: Awesome.
• 2:47
  SPEAKER_01: Well, let's talk about the project.
• 2:49
  SPEAKER_01: What is the origin story of Violet Night?
• 2:53
  SPEAKER_01: And how did it all come together?
• 2:54
  SPEAKER_01: And when did you start putting music out?
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_00: Well, this is a story all about how my life got turned right upside down.
• 3:03
  SPEAKER_00: I uh I was in a band called City Light Vigil, and it was like a pop-pop kind of thing, and I'd been in a few bands with like my brother and friends, you know, throughout high school, like I think cutting my teeth, so to speak.
• 3:15
  SPEAKER_00: And we put like probably 20 grand into an album, and then everybody bailed, and I was like, I just had this really strong desire and drive to keep doing it.
• 3:25
  SPEAKER_00: Um since I was like, I I don't know, I was just a very small child.
• 3:29
  SPEAKER_00: I've always kind of had this thing in me that's just like go, go, go, and to do it.
• 3:34
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, it it it picks at me if I don't.
• 3:38
  SPEAKER_00: And um a wise fella that I know, one of our mixing engineers once said to me, if it keeps you up at night and it picks away at you, then don't stop doing it, and here we are.
• 3:47
  SPEAKER_00: So um, in any case, um the keyboard player in this band who's been on a bisop a hiatus for a bit, um, for personal reasons, uh well, mental health reasons.
• 3:58
  SPEAKER_00: Um, he and I, you know, we've we've been best friends for over 10 years, probably closer to 15, probably longer.
• 4:05
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, uh, when the other band kind of, you know, everybody went their separate ways.
• 4:09
  SPEAKER_00: My brother didn't want to do music seriously, and he was the drummer in all my formative bands.
• 4:13
  SPEAKER_00: And um the other fellow that I was writing and playing with, we had a great chemistry, but I think he just wanted to do some like self-exploration, so to speak.
• 4:22
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and I just wanted to go hard at music, and uh TJ and I were best friends, and I was gonna do this solo project, and I was like, well, instead of doing a solo project, like what if we just did a band?
• 4:36
  SPEAKER_00: We always talk about making music together, it would be special.
• 4:39
  SPEAKER_00: You should just do it.
• 4:40
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I had to convince him because he wanted to go score films, like that was something he was really wanting to do.
• 4:45
  SPEAKER_00: Um, thankfully he didn't, and we started doing this.
• 4:48
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and then five years in, because you know, I think I read somewhere that after a band releases 32 songs, generally, like it's like 10 years of work, 32 songs are like the two different things that it seems to be like a real commonality when bands finally start to get that momentum going.
• 5:06
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 5:07
  SPEAKER_00: And it it it you know, there's variables obviously, but um, so yeah, five years in, Tay, our drummer, joined, um, and he's been with us for quite some time now.
• 5:17
  SPEAKER_00: Um love the guy, great players, and uh I was a fan of his work in other bands that he was in.
• 5:22
  SPEAKER_00: So sitting down to have a meeting with him, because like he he, you know, he was playing in bands that have been on warp tour, stuff like that, right?
• 5:29
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so I was well aware of who he was, and um, it was cool that he was a fan of the project, and now he's one of my best friends.
• 5:35
  SPEAKER_00: So um it's kind of all just worked out really well, you know, and um that's kind of how the project came to be.
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_00: And uh I think what's nice about it is that it started out very subdued, indie, and soft, but as it's progressed, it's kind of spread its wings, and there's so such a wide range of colors that we use on the palette that we choose to like color the project, so to speak.
• 5:59
  SPEAKER_00: And um I I love that because it it's creatively like it's very liberating to not have any rules set and to do quite frankly, as an artist, it's a self-indulgent thing, so to do whatever we want is really nice, and to be warmly received is just such a huge bonus, you know.
• 6:17
  SPEAKER_01: I think that's kind of a commonality with a lot of newer music that's coming out, is it truly is free of the reins that maybe were around like the old school standard and the old school way of writing and producing music.
• 6:36
  SPEAKER_01: Like you don't have to fit it into a mold as much as the industry used to expect people to.
• 6:43
  SPEAKER_01: Speaking of which, high compliment, I could tell the pop punk roots when I was going through the uh the pop sensibilities that are laced within Violet Knight's music are fantastic.
• 6:55
  SPEAKER_01: And as a former former musician myself, I was like, oh yeah, oh yeah.
• 7:01
  SPEAKER_01: I hear a little bit of third eye blind in here, I hear a little bit of this, I hear a little bit of that.
• 7:06
  SPEAKER_01: Who are some of your influences?
• 7:08
  SPEAKER_01: You know, you you talked about coming from a pop punk background.
• 7:12
  SPEAKER_01: Who are some of your influences then and who are some of your influences now?
• 7:16
  SPEAKER_00: Well, like since the fifth grade, I have loved Blenquin 82.
• 7:22
  SPEAKER_00: And um, I've been fortunate enough to meet them a handful of times, and like, you know, you meet your heroes and they're really kind.
• 7:28
  SPEAKER_00: That's always nice.
• 7:30
  SPEAKER_00: Tom DeLong has a pretty profound impact on me.
• 7:33
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but my heroes are are are artists that I think build something bigger than themselves and adapt and grow and reinvent and change.
• 7:46
  SPEAKER_00: You know, the artists that don't do it again and again.
• 7:48
  SPEAKER_00: So, like Gerard Way from My Chemical Romance, David Bowie is probably probably my top three for sure.
• 7:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, right?
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_00: You know, from the 70s, you got Ziggy Stardust, the 80s, you've got the modern love, let's dance.
• 8:01
  SPEAKER_00: He totally shifts and recreates himself.
• 8:04
  SPEAKER_00: Then the 90s, um, I'm afraid of Americans, and and um even even in death with um Black Star, like he told the story of dying.
• 8:12
  SPEAKER_00: Like that is another level.
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, you see like some guys doing it, like um Tyler Joseph from 21 Pilots, the world that he's built.
• 8:22
  SPEAKER_00: It's very reminiscent of what I think Mike Hem did in the mid-2000s, yeah, but it's still very cool and still very much its own thing.
• 8:29
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think like he's inspired for sure, but it's not like he's ripping them off.
• 8:33
  SPEAKER_00: He's created something wholly unique and beautiful, and he's I really respect and admire him as well.
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I love Matt Berninger from the National, the lyricism, the broodiness, you know, Ian Curtis from Joy Division, rest in peace, you know.
• 8:47
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I don't know.
• 8:48
  SPEAKER_00: I have so many heroes that but in high school I didn't want to sing, it was all shredders, so it was like Kirk Hammett, Sinister Gates, right?
• 8:55
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and I could like six string sweep barpagios all day, and I could never find a singer.
• 8:59
  SPEAKER_00: And then when I started writing songs, there was just this shift where I was like, Oh, I don't really, I'm not at that, like, I don't want to shred all day.
• 9:06
  SPEAKER_00: I want to write songs that uh, you know, um kind of encapsulate things that I feel inside in a way, you know.
• 9:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and you find that if you know, and this is no diss on anybody by any way, shape, or form, but you find whenever you work in projects with people that are shredders and that are like really, really over the top musically that sometimes they're not writing in service to the song, sometimes they're writing in service to the other musicians that could be in the audience, you know, so to speak.
• 9:40
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, I want to write this big long soaring technical piece, and it's like, cool, man, I just want to write pop songs.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's like cool man, nobody cares.
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_00: Nobody fucking cares.
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_00: Well, though I seriously is this like I don't uh you know, I get the shredding thing, I get the Jason Becker, and I I love Daddy Van Halen.
• 10:00
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I don't I don't even think Eddie's a shredder because he was a great writer, too.
• 10:03
  SPEAKER_00: They have so many great songs.
• 10:05
  SPEAKER_00: I think a lot of it is guys that like I don't know, too much navel gazing for me, too much, uh, too, too much like and that in like this like this this holier than thou because it's so technically advanced.
• 10:19
  SPEAKER_00: But I mean, you know what?
• 10:20
  SPEAKER_00: Uh nobody cares.
• 10:21
  SPEAKER_00: Like, read the room.
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_00: People love songs they can sing along to.
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_00: People will dog on nickelback all day, but last time I checked, they're still selling out arenas.
• 10:27
  SPEAKER_00: So absolutely, absolutely.
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_01: Actually, it's funny.
• 10:31
  SPEAKER_01: I wish I could had the actual statistic out in front of me, but how consistent they are selling out arenas and have been for 20 plus years now.
• 10:41
  SPEAKER_01: Boy, does that make you feel old?
• 10:43
  SPEAKER_00: Uh yeah, I mean, I have a mutual friend with uh with with I know a guy that's friends with Chad, and I know like for sure that Chad like often takes a private helicopter just to go watch the Canucks play in Vancouver.
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_00: Like it's very from his place, I guess, from what I understand.
• 10:59
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I mean, he's living pretty good, I think.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_00: That's what I get from that, you know.
• 11:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, for sure.
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, kind of taking that look backward approach, let's talk about the single Does It Even Matter?
• 11:14
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 11:14
  SPEAKER_01: Because in the description of that song, it's talked about how we romanticize the past to a certain degree.
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_01: And I know as a podcaster myself, it's kind of a very um easy thing for me to lean on nostalgia and talking about what happened before, as opposed to kind of talking about what can happen tomorrow.
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_01: So let's talk about the organics of that song and kind of what that's all about.
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_00: It's funny that this is happening today because I actually just had a conversation with a friend about this today.
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_00: Um and just because you know, he was talking about, oh, like, you know, he struggles with sleeping problems and insomnia.
• 12:00
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, yeah, I was right there, and I said the funniest thing about it is when I used to struggle with stuff like that, is that I would be like now I for some reason romanticize some I guess I always find the beauty in negative spaces, like there's these things that I look back on that I think a lot of people would perceive as negative.
• 12:20
  SPEAKER_00: Like I have fond memories of.
• 12:22
  SPEAKER_00: So like when I was a kid, like 13 or 14, I was in the hospital for like well over a month, and I was quite sick.
• 12:28
  SPEAKER_00: I um my appendix burst and it was gangrenous, and I was my blood was toxic and all this other stuff.
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_00: Um yeah, it was it was uh I I didn't understand like the severity of my illness until I got older and like read the medical report, but I was like, oh, I definitely didn't feel well, you know what I mean?
• 12:44
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_00: So um, but like there's moments that I was in that hospital that I'm nostalgic for.
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_00: I think God rest her soul, my grandmother, she uh was retired RN and she would just sit by me in the chair for like all the time, read to me, stuff like that, because I just couldn't sleep in the hospital, you know, with kind of being a kid and stuff.
• 13:04
  SPEAKER_00: And um, but I always I guess I always find the positives when I look back to times that were negative.
• 13:11
  SPEAKER_00: So when I'm going through a hard time, I'm like, does it even matter?
• 13:15
  SPEAKER_00: Because it's like if I'm happy, sad, or in between, does it matter?
• 13:19
  SPEAKER_00: Probably not, because I know myself well enough to know that as much as something could suck at the moment, I'm gonna look back and find the thing that made it good.
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_00: Because which I I think is a I I think it's it's I was not always like that though, you know.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_01: I think that's something that comes with you with age.
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_01: Comes to you with age.
• 13:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's like you turn into an actual man and you're not like a teenager anymore.
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_01: Right, right.
• 13:42
  SPEAKER_01: Well, you understand consequence a lot more as well.
• 13:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 13:45
  SPEAKER_01: So you you your sense of optimism changes, your sense of pessimism, unfortunately, I feel kind of grows a little bit, but oh, I'm like crazy optimistic.
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_01: But the the thing is, is like ultimately you have to like realize that at some point in time that behavior and that attitude is a choice.
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_01: You choose to be pessimistic or you choose to be optimistic, and usually your outcomes in life tend to align with that.
• 14:12
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, 100%.
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_01: Couldn't agree more.
• 14:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_00: Like I always use this reference when I tell talk, tell people about it.
• 14:19
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, if you were a professional high jumper in the Olympics, you would not run at that high jump and be like, Yep, gonna fail.
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_00: Let's go.
• 14:27
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 14:27
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_00: Why would you why would you psychologically condition yourself to be a failure?
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_00: Because that's all you're would be.
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_00: You have to, I don't know.
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_00: I think I I I hate I would hate to think that um confidence could be like uh misinterpreted as narcissism because it's definitely not the case with me, but I think you just have to be confident and like believe in what you're doing.
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_00: And I mean, I really, really, really believe in this band, and the new record is like it's insane to me.
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_00: And uh, I'm really thankful the the reception of the first three singles has been so positive because like there's better songs on the record that are still not heard, so it's hot, man.
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I can't wait to hear it.
• 15:03
  SPEAKER_01: I because the first three singles are fantastic.
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_01: The other two singles being Vampire and Ferrari Red.
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I was literally just listening to all three of the songs that you've released so far before we started uh recording this session.
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, we kind of talked about the themes of Does It Even Matter?
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_01: Does the whole album itself in its totality have an overarching theme or overarching feeling to it?
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_00: I once I once wrote into Chat GPT, I put all the lyrics that I'd written to the record in there and said in two sentences, sum up what this album is about.
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_00: So there's two different versions of what ChatGPT says that the record is about thematically, because I could say it as well as I want to say it, but I think when you put all the lyrics of the record into Chat GPT and it spits out two sentences and two different versions of what it thinks that could mean, I think it's cool, right?
• 16:01
  SPEAKER_00: Because it's literally what the lyricism is, you know, distilled down to.
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_00: The Record is a high-energy, emotionally charged album that blends themes of existential reflection, fame, love, and identity with dark yet playful lyricism set against a backdrop of alternative rock and synth-driven soundscapes.
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_00: The songs explore personal struggles, nostalgia, and the search for meaning, all wrapped in a bold stylish aesthetic that embraces both the glamorous and the tragic.
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_01: Oh man, who needs writers anymore when you have chat GPT?
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I just for me, like I think I summed it up pretty well in a similar vein.
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_00: But like chat GPT, I think when you punch stuff into there, it does have its like it does have a very like for me, it's more a little bit about existential dread, you know, and and uh yeah, like it's just a it's it's the the record is like it is all related.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_00: There is concept, like it is not, you know what I mean?
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, I totally, and it totally correlates, totally correlates to what I've heard so far and what my audience is is definitely gonna hear.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_01: Do you feel that your themes as far as what you write have evolved over the last five years since the release of anti-hero?
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, with anti-heroes, it was like that record I wrote during my insomniac phase, largely.
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_00: Um and I don't know, that record I think is uh a beautiful little snippet of my existence, I guess.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_00: Like a little, they're all like little snippets of existence.
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_00: Like this record I can remember, I remember writing Ferrari Red and laughing because I thought like I was like, this is so good.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_00: Like it just I I thought like it's ridiculous and it's good and it's so honest.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_00: Like um, so many of the lyrics are so self-reflective and just painfully honest that it hurts, you know.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_00: And Vampire, which was inspired by Wednesday Addams, you know, um that that's a product of so there's like a lot of people have been like, Well, who is that song about?
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_00: What famous iconic characters?
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_00: So if they watch this, they now know it's about Wednesday Adams.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_00: Girls like Wednesday Adams, you know.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, uh, I think every guy has a certain affinity for a girl like that.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_00: Do you know what I mean?
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, oh, absolutely.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_00: Or at least they have at some point in their life.
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and uh, I was just home over Christmas.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_00: My flight had been canceled because of some crazy snowstorm, so I made a like a little makeshift studio at the house uh in Toronto, and uh I just I don't know, like that Netflix series uh Wednesday had just come out, and it was doing that thing where it goes through like little transitionary uh phases on the screen, and there it was just like slowly burning into the TV.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_00: It was like Wednesday Adams, and I was like, I'm gonna write a song for girls like you, and that's what really was the amazing, amazing.
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_00: It's yeah, I would say it's it's grown and changed for sure.
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_00: I think every day I think I'm a better writer than the day before, and I always think like we haven't released a proper LP since anti-heroes in 2020.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_00: We've had EPs, but this is the proper follow-up because that record is really special to me, and I think it has stood the test of time, and I still really love it, and I feel just I feel even stronger about the new one.
• 19:23
  SPEAKER_01: So how has your feelings evolved about the way music is released now versus five years ago, let alone ten years ago, the trickle out process of promoting an album where you trickle out a single and then a couple months later you trickle out another one?
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_01: Do you have feelings about that one way or the other?
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, for sure.
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_00: Nish strong.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_00: I think that the metric a band should be used for to like measure their worth, in my opinion, as an artist and creative, is if you're an artist that can grab me with a full length.
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_00: Like if you if your LP is great, awesome.
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_00: I think that bands who have like a song that people like, they never really establish that connection with the listener in the same way.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_00: I agree.
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_00: And they they don't have to, there's nothing to prove, like, oh, we did one good song.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_00: Well, it it's much harder to make a cohesive body of work with several great songs.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_00: Um the rollout process, I don't mind you know, three, four singles before a record comes out.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_00: I don't like putting every song out as a single, then releasing the record at the end because there's one song left, and because now we're playing the DSP game.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_00: I don't like how Spotify's changing how people write, you know, like uh people like they're starting songs with choruses because you have five seconds to get the listeners' attention, and if you don't get the five seconds, like they're they're most likely to skip within five seconds, but you don't get paid till 30.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, it's crazy because it's almost like everything in the world is now algorithmic driven.
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_01: Like it drives absolutely everything, and that is one of my more favorite questions to ask different people at different levels in the music industry because people have such bold feelings on it.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_01: I will tell you honestly, most people will not express their true opinions until I stop the record button on it because not everybody is a fan of it.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_01: For exactly what you said, is a lot of there are a lot of artists that like putting forth their complete effort all at once, short of you know, the single an initially launched to promote the album, but you know, other people don't mind it as much.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I for me, I I feel like I'm a pretty honest guy, and I think that well, I think honesty is important because there's nothing fun about talking to like nobody wants to like for one, if an interview is super safe, it's like why don't I just watch you know what I mean?
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_00: Like give me something to sink my teeth into for the love of God.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_00: No, absolutely.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_00: Like, give me give me the details.
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_00: I want an like I don't I don't care like What time it is on the watch or how it looks.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_00: I want to know how it works.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that makes perfect sense.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like a very and so for me, I think, yeah, it just it's one of those things where um I yeah, I love full albums.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_00: What I what I don't like is that I think like a lot of the social media games that people are playing now.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_00: Um what always bums me out is when artists like go really hard at playing the social media game and then it doesn't translate for them into streams.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_00: Let's say they like they pop off from some sort of viral sensation song.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_00: Very rarely does that like I've seen reels with millions of views, and then the song used in the reel or the TikTok still only has like you know 20,000, 30,000 streams, and it might be an amazing song, and oftentimes they're great songs.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_00: I guess what bums me out is it's like why is it not like this?
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_00: Is not in our case.
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_00: I would say in our case, our streams and people actually listening to buying and downloading the music would surpass the the other side because I I've always been a big believer that if you write good songs and it's just the if it's good, it will find a way.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_00: It doesn't really matter otherwise, it doesn't even matter.
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_01: So I have well played, sir.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, for us, it's like right now we've got three songs in heavy rotation on Sirius XM.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm like, we must be doing something right, because um, you know, and I mean I do have, like I said, a stupid belief in the project, like a ridiculous amount of belief in it, but also just I think being a black sheep is a good thing.
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I agree.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_00: But like not not being, I don't know, because we get pressured sometimes, like we do, we do the odd reel, um, you know, from Tay's house or whatever, and we've we do put some of that kind of stuff out.
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_00: But I don't think I'm ever like I could eat shit on this and be that guy.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_00: But you could quote this and maybe I become some sort of influencer, but I just I've always wanted to be an artist first and foremost, and like I'll play the game to an extent and make reels that are still artistic and tasteful.
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_00: But I think the ones that are like the McDonald's of social media, I just they kind of make my skin crawl.
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_00: Like it you the the insincerity is palpable when you watch people do it.
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, no.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely, absolutely, and it's it's weird because there are such extremes of it.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_01: I call it influencer culture.
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_01: There are such extremes of like good content and like just easy to consume bad content, and your descriptor of McDonald's is absolutely perfect.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_01: Because the McDonald's French fries, they smell good, they taste delicious, but ten minutes after you eat them, you're feeling like shit.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_00: And I I yeah, I don't know.
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_00: They're like, but if you go eat like fries that are cooked in beef tallow and seasoned nicely and freshly hand cut, you're like, hmm, those were good fries today.
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_00: Well, it's it's about the process, it's about the details.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_00: Like the team we have working on this record is an incredible team of engineers, mixers, producers, mastering engineers, what have you.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_00: Artists, everybody in their own right is so dedicated to their craft.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that's what you get when you have a culmination of people that care so much.
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_00: You get a record like this one.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you know, and kind of going back to utilizing things like reels and tick tock and stuff and how music launches nowadays, and you were kind of talking about how sometimes the streams don't match the playthroughs on the reels.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_01: Do you think that's because the delivery system is so instantaneous that the end user is not searching it out because they know they're gonna hear it again in another reel or another TikTok, possibly?
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_00: A lot so a lot of the younger uh generation that I teach guitar to, I mean like the 12-year-olds, 11-year-olds, you know, a lot of them listen to music like because they enjoy listening to music, but a lot of them do not.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_00: Uh they don't listen to songs, like they just know 20 seconds of a song they heard on TikTok, and that's kind of I think what it is is like you know, I remember listening to like, for example, there's this song called Curses by a band called Bullet for a Valentine.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and at the very end of that song, it's like a three and a half minute song.
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_00: There's a really cool heavy part, and that for like the whole song is good, but at the end there's this heavy section.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_00: Um and I'm just thinking of like relating this in the way that that heavy section is a big shot of dopamine because it's so sick, but you wait for that payoff, you wait, you know.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_00: Now you don't wait for the payoff, all all it is is you just you you're like always delivered payoff, you're always engaged, always being delivering the dopamine hit.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_00: And I think it that has um that has had a pretty significant impact on if people become a music fan or not.
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_00: And um that's what that's kind of my take and my stance on the whole thing.
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_00: But at the same time, I don't think it's that bleak.
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_00: I think well, I mean, everybody knows when you know, remember that girl Gail with the song A B C D E F U?
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, yeah.
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_00: So like she would be playing concerts.
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_00: I think she was opening for Billy Eilish or something, and the crowd didn't know her whole set, and then would only sing the chorus of that song.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like it would be disheartening as an artist, like it'd be so cool to be opening for Billy, but also disheartening because you're like, why is this not hitting?
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_00: Why is this not translating?
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_00: Because I I I don't know, I have so many friends who are really incredibly talented artists and bands.
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_00: Um and then I'll see like their originals not doing as well as I think they should, and it does make people go, mmm, you know, like this is so good, but at the same time, it uh it's just a product of the times, really.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_01: And do you think that's kind of what leads into this interpolation culture and cover song culture that we're seeing a lot of now?
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, we just played a show on Friday, and uh, you know, for the people there that knew our songs, like the feedback after the set was kind of like like you guys would because like one uh you guys they would be like, Oh, you guys would play a song, and like this song's fucking awesome.
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah, it's their song, and to me that's the hugest compliment.
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, because on a bill, when other bands are playing covers, we don't do covers.
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_00: I I I I I'm not trying to be a cover band in any way, shape, or form.
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_00: But at the same time, like I'm so proud of the songs we have written, and I'm honestly thankful that we have the catalogue we do because it's like, yeah, we can play 12 to 14 songs set, and it's all bangers.
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_00: Like, in my opinion, live now, we should probably just play the new record because it's like it doesn't really miss, and I I I just I adore it so much, and it's like yeah, it's one of those things, like the the covers thing is something like I've heard where people are like, Oh, do this cover of this song, like your voice would fit it great.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I'm sure I could really nail a third eye blind, like never let you go, or something, you know.
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 29:03
  SPEAKER_00: Um, or jumper or whatever, but I think it's just I don't know.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_00: I see positives and like um You know that band out of Toronto Good Kid.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_00: I have not heard them.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_00: I think they did some sort of cover and now it's it's profoundly impacted their career for the positive.
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_00: So I think it has its place.
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_00: You know getting into that mainstream, but uh I don't know.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_00: I actually like doing a cover had like if I did a cover, it would probably be like Heroes by David Bowie or something, you know, like something 1979 by the pumpkins, or like I don't know.
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_00: Um I just feel like we're not in an area where you can do like a blank cover because like they're still relevant, you know.
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_01: Well, in in and it's honestly, you know, kind of through this line of discussion you and I have been having, I was I've been thinking about that that anxiety song that's been on every single reel and every single TikTok I've been seeing lately that samples somebody I used to know by Gautier, and I'm like, what?
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_01: Why is this song such a thing?
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_01: You know, it's coming back.
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's crazy, but man, talking about doing a pumpkins cover, a bowie cover, man, you're speaking my language, bro.
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, well, my so credit to my mother because like when I was four, five, six, three, like she had us listening to Zeppelin, you know, The Doors, whatever.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_00: And I was in second grade, she got me like a set for Green Day's Dookie.
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_00: You know, she would always work out in the house and she would crank big ones by Aerosmith.
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I love Steven Tyler, you know.
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but growing up, my bands were like I had a heavy metal phase with like slip knot, trivium, eventually.
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I still love so many bands, it's so wide-ranging, you know.
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_00: Like I said, the national, whatever.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I'm Deathcab is a big one for me too.
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_00: Nice.
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_00: Coldplay, like cold play from 99 to 2012 is pretty much untouchable.
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_00: And then they they kind of get when they went the the new record, the last two were they were okay.
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_00: They were very good, let's be honest.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_00: But I love Chris Martin.
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_01: I think that's kind of a symptomatic thing of like people that are songwriters and truly inspired musicians is that diverse palette of tastes, though, for sure.
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_01: Like, because I I've done everything, I've done everything from hip-hop to screamo to metal to to like ska.
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_01: I was in a ska band at one point in time.
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_01: And so I've done it all as well.
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_00: You guys have the horns and everything, or what?
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, oh yeah.
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_01: I love that so much, dude.
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_01: Dude, I got a funny story.
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_01: Like, my very first band, my first band in the mid-90s, late 90s.
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, we opened up for Slipknot of their very last local show before they went and recorded their debut album.
• 31:45
  SPEAKER_01: Wild.
• 31:45
  SPEAKER_01: It is crazy.
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_01: A ska band opening up for Slipknot.
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_01: It was just the most insane thing ever.
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_01: I wonder what what was the room like at that show?
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so it was funny because you talk about 1998.
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_01: There's a fantastic documentary called Pick It Up, Ska in the 90s, and it's so good, but it talks about um one of the guys from the Mad Caddies talked about this six-month span of time where ska was on top of the world.
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_01: It was what everybody was listening to, and then six months later, those same people were all into new metal.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_01: Well, that show occurred right at the cusp of that last six months.
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_01: And uh, so my genius ass thinking, oh, I'm an upbeat guy, ska's fun, everybody's having a good time.
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_01: I decided to throw hard candy out in the crowd.
• 32:35
  SPEAKER_01: Um you know how that ended up.
• 32:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, did they throw it back at you?
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_01: Fuck yeah, dude.
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I had welts on my body.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_01: And it was people we knew, people that like six months before thought we were the greatest band on earth.
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_00: And then there you are.
• 32:51
  SPEAKER_00: Somebody gets like some somebody gets like uh a Werther's original down like you know their horn, and just you know what I mean?
• 32:58
  SPEAKER_01: You want to talk about humbling experiences, man.
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_00: Actually, so speaking of ska and trumpets and stuff, like uh one of the new songs on our record, we have a guy named Carmen Cammer Cam Camieri, I think his last name is.
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and he does trumpet and horn set on a song, which will probably be the biggest single we've ever released as far as radio and stuff, because it's like it's a smash.
• 33:21
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's uh it's called Complicated.
• 33:23
  SPEAKER_00: You can quote me on this.
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's got a whole horn section, anyways.
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_00: And um, he's he's got a Grammy.
• 33:28
  SPEAKER_00: Like he did, he's done horns for Bonavere, for um The National, and like he's done a lot of work with Jimmy Fallon, so it's like uh well, he's been on Jimmy Fallon, I know that much.
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but yeah, we have like a lot of heavy hitters like that on this record where it's like we really spared no expense, and uh yeah, the proof is in the pudding.
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_01: Dude, I absolutely love that.
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_01: So, what are your some some of your interests outside of music that kind of fuel your creative endeavors?
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_00: Well, you want to know what my nine to five job is?
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_00: Just kidding.
• 34:01
  SPEAKER_01: I don't talk about my nine to five job, I wouldn't talk about yours.
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, fair, fair, fair.
• 34:05
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, like I'm really I don't know, like what what inspires me is usually like my own life and in instances going on and things of my own life.
• 34:17
  SPEAKER_00: Like the records are always like lyrics are always in in some way, shape, or form a diary of something that has had a significant impact on me, like that gets me going, you know.
• 34:26
  SPEAKER_00: That I feel like if this is making me feel some kind of way, then if I write this, put it out, and it's there's kind of an honesty and an earnestness to it, and then people people can sense it.
• 34:38
  SPEAKER_00: Like when it's fake and you're trying to be something, uh, I can read that.
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_00: Anybody any fan of music can read that, and they're like, oh, he wants to be this.
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_00: Not he is that, he wants to be this.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that distinction is very important, right?
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_00: So outside of this, though, I'm like pretty big psychology nerd that that maybe uh that may have something to do with my nine to five.
• 35:02
  SPEAKER_00: Um, because that's why the field that I work in.
• 35:04
  SPEAKER_00: Um and uh but music I think eventually will be the nine to five, just with the way the trajectory we've set and stuff.
• 35:11
  SPEAKER_00: So uh I'm a pretty big gym guy.
• 35:13
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like a get up at five or six in the morning, go to the gym guy.
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_00: I'm one of those what you call crazy people.
• 35:19
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I'm also straight edge, so is our drummer, so is a keyboard player.
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_00: Uh you know, we were into like going to the gym, running, uh being outside, you know, reading good books, like, you know, um that will shift your perspective, you know.
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, big fan of big fan of art forms that can shape culture.
• 35:40
  SPEAKER_00: I think that that can't be planned.
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_00: It can only be the right thing at the right moment in time, you know.
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, yes.
• 35:48
  SPEAKER_01: I think there's a whole cultural shift towards all of that.
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_01: It's like almost like intelligence and good physical and mental health is the new drug, you know?
• 35:58
  SPEAKER_01: And and I I think more society needs to embrace that, especially with as divisive a society is these days.
• 36:07
  SPEAKER_00: I'm really into like fasting.
• 36:08
  SPEAKER_00: Like uh I want to do a 40-day water fast, for example.
• 36:12
  SPEAKER_01: So do you intermittent fast at all?
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_00: Like I like I last year I did five days on just water four times.
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_00: Oh what was the result?
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_00: Um, mental clarity, like I've never believed.
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_00: Uh sleeping 12 to 14 hours a night like a rock.
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_00: So I watch a lot of health documentaries.
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_00: I'm super into that kind of stuff.
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_00: Like I read a lot like of David Sinclair's stuff, like he's the leading expert in longevity from uh Harvard, for example.
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_00: But um, like this one documentary I recently watched called Fasting, the Healer Within, free on YouTube.
• 36:45
  SPEAKER_00: Um, anybody, this is gross, so you may get grossed out by this, but anybody that fasts for like over 20 days, usually not only are they still going to the bathroom, but they're still crapping out like parasites and worms.
• 36:59
  SPEAKER_00: And like that's the majority of humanity.
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_00: So I think what they kind of stress in that documentary is that most people are living at like 30% and they could be living at 100.
• 37:07
  SPEAKER_00: So like um the fasting thing usually is interesting to people, or like I haven't eaten table sugar in seven years.
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, wow.
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_00: So I like I haven't eaten white flour, like I'm really into health that way.
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, you know, the whole biohacking, like ice bathing, you name it, going to the gym and all that stuff.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I just recently learned that um ice bath before the gym will boost testosterone to males, but ice bath after will actually kill it.
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_00: So if you're into that cold shower after the gym thing, I would do it before.
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_01: Similar effect to the type of proteins you can cons you do consume when you do consume proteins as well.
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_01: Interesting.
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_01: What's that?
• 37:45
  SPEAKER_01: That uh soy protein allegedly um boosts estrogen levels, so it's it does.
• 37:52
  SPEAKER_01: That's why they say that uh, you know, girls are developing at such younger ages because they're there's so much soy in everybody's everyday diet now compared to how it used to be.
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I haven't eaten soy in seven years either.
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_00: There's a like a list of things I haven't eaten in seed oils, soy, sugar.
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_00: I had so I had significant mental health uh things that were uh plaguing me, you could say.
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_00: And uh all of them were remedied with diet.
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm living proof that you know it like you can get off the pharmaceuticals, but I think for a lot of people the convenience of pharmaceuticals is nice.
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_00: And you don't really realize, like they say, you don't really realize how bad you were feeling until you truly feel well, you know.
• 38:36
  SPEAKER_00: Um so outside of the wellness sphere, um, I'm really into like I love Nintendo.
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_00: Like I'm a huge Nintendo, like I love like, you know, the IPs, I love Zelda, I love uh Mario.
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_00: Um used to play a lot of Smash Bros, like Halo, you know.
• 38:51
  SPEAKER_00: Um I don't do as much gaming these days.
• 38:53
  SPEAKER_00: I always feel like I should be writing or reading something or doing something more productive with my brain power, but uh once in a while the boys will throw down for sure.
• 39:03
  SPEAKER_01: I love that, man.
• 39:05
  SPEAKER_01: I love that.
• 39:06
  SPEAKER_01: Connor, I have really enjoyed this conversation, brother.
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, me too, actually, man.
• 39:12
  SPEAKER_01: Got on the mic.
• 39:13
  SPEAKER_01: It's good.
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_01: Well, my uh closing question is usually one rooted in optimism, and I hope your response is as well.
• 39:21
  SPEAKER_01: And that is what is your advice for making the world a better place tomorrow than what it is today?
• 39:29
  SPEAKER_00: It's in that realizing it doesn't have to be some grand gesture.
• 39:33
  SPEAKER_00: I think that small things have a ripple effect.
• 39:36
  SPEAKER_00: Let's say, you know, you you're going out for food with somebody and you get the bill.
• 39:41
  SPEAKER_00: Well, maybe they don't have a ton of money, whatever, and that just puts them in a bit of a more of a positive mood than they were in.
• 39:47
  SPEAKER_00: And just that little thing puts their whole day in a more positive perspective, and then you are, you know what I'm saying, it ripples outward, and then they're being nice to more people, and then so such and so and so like it goes on and on, right?
• 40:00
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I think that is it.
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_00: It doesn't have to be crazy, like the smallest gesture of kindness can really make a big difference, and not just in like you know, direct, but like it could be it doesn't have to be like direct contact with you, but the person that you interacted with, right?
• 40:19
  SPEAKER_00: So that's kind of that's actually my philosophy for life, like the career that I have and music as well.
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_00: It's not ego-driven whatsoever, it's driven by the motivation to use my existence to make other people's existence better, more inspired, happier, whatever you need, and escape whatever you need.
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_00: Because no matter I this is I say this in every interview for somehow it happens.
• 40:43
  SPEAKER_00: No matter what you do, I love you, I adore you.
• 40:45
  SPEAKER_00: If you're listening to this, you will end up in an oblong box or on somebody's mantelpiece in a small jar.
• 40:52
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 40:52
  SPEAKER_00: So, so you know what I mean?
• 40:54
  SPEAKER_00: So, like, not nothing is that precious.
• 40:55
  SPEAKER_00: That's what Ferrari Red is about.
• 40:57
  SPEAKER_00: It's a satire.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_00: You know, paint my cough and Ferrari Red.
• 41:01
  SPEAKER_00: Like, are we all that special?
• 41:02
  SPEAKER_00: Well, everybody means as much as the next person, unless you're unless you're Hitler.
• 41:07
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_00: There's caveats to this message, like always.
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_00: You know, like if you're if you're a piece of shit, then I'm sorry, but we're meditate, meditate, and uh go live with monks for a while for the love of God and for the rest of us.
• 41:23
  SPEAKER_01: Tell my audience where they can find your music online and more about the project.
• 41:30
  SPEAKER_00: So you can find Violet Night, and that's Violet like the color purple and night like nighttime.
• 41:37
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I always make that distinction because we get Violet, Violent Night a lot, uh, because that David Harbor movie when he's Santa Claus.
• 41:45
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my good lord, man.
• 41:47
  SPEAKER_00: Uh one time this really pissed off, concerned mom like put an email through on the email forum on our website and was like ripping a strip off of me because she thought I was behind Violent Night with David Harbor and her kids had watched the movie.
• 42:02
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, do we need to change the band name?
• 42:05
  SPEAKER_00: Like, like, you know, but give me a couple years and we will like there will be it'll be an undeniable thing where it's like I think they're making a sequel for that movie.
• 42:15
  SPEAKER_00: So my work's cut out for me, but I'm you know, I'm ambitious on the task.
• 42:18
  SPEAKER_00: Uh we're we we will be more relevant than that movie.
• 42:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 42:22
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, you know, that's the belief.
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_00: So uh yeah, we're on Spotify, we're on Instagram, we're you know, if you're gonna go check us out, I think you probably like Googled us halfway through this interview, and I love you for it.
• 42:34
  SPEAKER_00: Um we're uh people always like, well, what bands do you sound most like?
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_00: And for me, it's like, well, we're fans of everything.
• 42:41
  SPEAKER_00: So I mean, to you, Mike, um what uh what you know, I guess it depends on your own personal cultural zeitgeist, but what do we remind you of?
• 42:51
  SPEAKER_00: There's a question for the podcast host himself.
• 42:53
  SPEAKER_01: Well, honestly, when I was listening to your stuff, I heard elements of a lot of things that I'm into.
• 43:00
  SPEAKER_01: I heard elements of third eye blind, I heard elements of like 21 Pilots, I heard ambition.
• 43:07
  SPEAKER_01: I, you know, not to, I'm not just trying to shine ass here, but I heard something uniquely crafted, well-polished pop songs with good hooks, good lyrical content.
• 43:19
  SPEAKER_01: I think there's a little bit of something for everybody in Violet Knight's music.
• 43:24
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
• 43:25
  SPEAKER_00: I'm humbled by that.
• 43:26
  SPEAKER_00: And real instruments.
• 43:27
  SPEAKER_00: And real instruments.
• 43:28
  SPEAKER_00: And I play several of them.
• 43:31
  SPEAKER_00: There's some some behind me there, you know.
• 43:34
  SPEAKER_01: I got the red jumpsuit over there, you know, you know.
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I love it.
• 43:37
  SPEAKER_01: I love it.
• 43:38
  SPEAKER_01: Connor, thank you so much for doing the show, man.
• 43:41
  SPEAKER_01: The world is a much better place with you and it.
• 43:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you too, man.
• 43:44
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
• 43:45
  SPEAKER_01: Once again, I'd like to thank my friend Connor Paul from the band Violet Knight.
• 43:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, that is Violet, not Violet, as Connor said in the podcast.
• 43:57
  SPEAKER_01: Make sure you check them out on Instagram, Violet Knight Music.
• 44:01
  SPEAKER_01: It's their handle.
• 44:02
  SPEAKER_01: Check out all of their music online.
• 44:05
  SPEAKER_01: I have been thinking their tunes.
• 44:07
  SPEAKER_01: I actually was running the other day.
• 44:09
  SPEAKER_01: Vampire came on on my playlist.
• 44:11
  SPEAKER_01: I was exact.
• 44:13
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• 44:19
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• 44:24
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• 44:27
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• 44:29
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• 44:35
  SPEAKER_01: It's always a question if you're gonna caught on the mic with Michael Clark.
• 44:41
  SPEAKER_01: I am Michael Clark.
• 44:43
  SPEAKER_01: Until next time.