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Lane Kiffin’s Loophole, Kaepernick's Protest Anniversary & Netflix Sports Podcasts · The Regulars

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  gamers returning to the gridiron. Oh my God,
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  college sports is absolutely eating itself.
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  And Angel fans, your long miserable lives
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  have finally shown that your pain and suffering
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  comes to an end. Artie Moreno has sold the team. Guys,
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  we only have one bottle of wine and only about an hour and a half
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  to drink it, so we're the regulars. We really are.
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  I've got nothing. Let's do this.
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  What a time
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  to be alive. I can't believe it. A billionaire made more
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  billions today. What else is new? Just in time for
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  a CBA to come up and happen and bite everyone
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  on the ass. But also on top of that, Aaron Donald's officially an NFL
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  player again. That's fucking fun. We got an anniversary
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  to celebrate and Colin Kaepernick's kneeling, which is always a fun topic
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  for most of Americans. And of course, all I can say
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  is Lane Kiffin is always going to be the fucking Lane
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  Kiffin Show. Yeah, no, the, the college sports of it
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  all is about as— is about as dysfunctional as it's
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  been. So it'll be interesting to get through that. We also—
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  we're going to be talking about a little— Tony Romo has issued an apology.
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  Oh, yes. For, for his OUI, OWI, DUI.
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  They call it somewhere something different in every goddamn state,
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  but we all know what it is— drunk driving. Yes. Uh,
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  and we got some, uh, next Netflix podcasts.
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  Yeah, fucking wild media corner today. And also you're
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  gonna teach me about the wonders of reality television. Yeah, what all you fucking Gen
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  Z kids are doing these days, Mocha. I have— yeah, no,
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  I'm— Mocha might want to chime in. I have no idea. Maybe he'll have no
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  opinion. I got nothing. But I have a theory on how to fix
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  reality TV show casting after watching the Love Island reunion last
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  night. Yeah, it's a— we've entered a dark time and I think I
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  know how to fix it. But it, it's, you know, we'll see. Maybe you guys
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  will think it's dumb. No, no, no, no, no. I'm excited to hear from you.
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  I'm fucking all ears on this because I'm not a Love Island guy. I've only
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  seen like a couple of clips here and there and it applies to anything that's
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  casting Gen Z people on reality TV. Okay, so here's the only thing I like.
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  Listen, I am, I am someone that considers himself kind of a fashionista, so I
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  look very forward to talking to you about this specifically. Because I clearly
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  do not understand the styles of the Gen Z
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  folk. And Mocha, I really think you're going to need to chime in at some
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  point today because there's some fucking hairstyles. And listen, as a guy with
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  a shaved head, I can't really talk too much about hairstyles, but you guys got
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  some fucking weird-ass hair. And my— but Mocha doesn't. No, Mocha has normal hair.
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  Yeah, like, fuck. I know. But there is some shit on these shows,
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  man. I think it's transitioning into the generation
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  below me. Okay, so it's like Gen Alpha, the younger
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  20s, dude. Oh, the kid— oh, the baseball
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  kids, the way the baseball kids are cutting their hair. How are they doing it
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  now? They've got a whole thing too. Like, they've got like the baseball— we're always
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  the worst at trends. Fucking baseball people. So,
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  um, but you know, but the, the show
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  itself is, is kicking off with the big news.
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  Headline number 1. Headline 1. Let's get to it. Why not?
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  As, as it was so aptly put in Yahoo Sports
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  by Jay Busby today, college athletics is eating itself
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  big time. And LSU is at the head of the table big time
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  right now. Lane Kiffin and LSU are doing this dance,
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  apparently allowing a couple of players to join the Tigers roster with
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  a kind of mock shrug. We didn't.
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  Try to do this, but we're just following the court's orders. And the rest of
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  the SEC is rightfully furious. Yeah,
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  they've— they're allowing 2 players who've played in the NFL to come back
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  and play because they have eligibility under these new rules.
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  Adorable. Now, we've spent years in litigation over
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  this whole thing. And by we, I mean the NCAA and,
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  you know, the government going back and forth on this stuff. The issue here,
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  according to Jay Busby, isn't really whether these particular
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  players are added to this particular roster. The players they might displace have a
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  definite beef, but that's, you know, more of a locker room issue. The point here
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  is that a court is telling a league who is and isn't eligible, and this
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  defies common sense. As we saw with NIL, the outside institutions start
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  taking a hard look at the way colleges do business. The entire superstructure is in
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  a real danger of collapse. Now, he sort of
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  enters into a conversation around you know, how football
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  fans are going to feel about this and what it means. And I want to
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  get back to that. But for those who don't know,
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  LSU is allowing tight end Daquan
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  Wright and defensive tackle Xavien Harris to
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  join their former coach Lane Kiffin at LSU after leaving
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  NFL training camps. Yes. And their case is that essentially
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  these The NCAA changed its eligibility rules in June,
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  moving to a system where athletes can now compete for all 5 seasons during a
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  5-year time span. Yeah, the change created a group
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  of outgoing seniors who were not eligible in 2026-2027
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  based on the rules in place to become eligible.
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  The NCAA's Division I Board of Directors decided not to grant those players
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  an extra season, saying it would unfairly take away opportunities from incoming freshmen.
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  It would. So we are in yet
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  another pickle that sort of has us all scratching our heads as to like
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  what the actual major issue is.
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  Because for my part, I'm starting to feel
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  like these individual issues are masking a much larger
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  problem, which is that the NCAA continues to sort of fight against
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  the the professionalization of college football.
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  What is— where are you at with all of this? How are you feeling about,
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  number one, the idea of these players being able to come back in to play
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  college football, but also what it— like, the reaction that the SEC
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  and NCAA, but the SEC is having to it specifically? Well, um, let's start
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  with the players themselves. I think it's— let me be real clear— kind of
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  fucking weak as shit to go back to college after going to an NFL training
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  camp. Like, you're now a professional player trying treat yourself as such. Uh,
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  if it doesn't work in the NFL, you have other leagues you can go to.
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  Honest to God, this is— I— this is a very weird thing to me.
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  It just is very strange to me seeing this even being a
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  logical step for anybody. And of course Lane Kiffin's going to take full
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  advantage of any situation that's put in front of him. I think it was pretty
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  obvious with every other league immediately kind of coming out and saying,
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  yeah, we're not going to allow players from the other— because it's a slippery slope.
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  Look at everything that's already taken place within NIL and paying players. It's a fucking
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  mess. It was just you let the toothpaste out of the bottle and we didn't
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  do anything to safeguard it or protect it. And I know I'm kind of speaking
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  out of both sides of my mouth because with that whole aspect of the toothpaste
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  out of the bottle thing, this is just more of the same that
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  you did not safeguard with, uh, for already. And now people are taking advantage
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  of their system, your system that you guys allowed to be broken and fucked up.
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  So as much as I don't think these players should be back in college football,
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  it's really the NCAA's fucking fault to begin with, with all
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  of this shit, right? Because everything that was going to take place
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  with the NIL, with the players getting their fair share of the money that they
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  themselves are generating, which I firmly agree with— the
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  fact that it just happened overnight and we just
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  put ourselves in the wild, wild west is still so fucking
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  mind-bogglingly stupid. I don't know what to do with myself.
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  It's like, aren't we seeing everything that's happening with our food supply right now,
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  going like, you know what, maybe some of those regulations that we put
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  everything through actually do matter. College sports is very much that
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  exact same thing. We had regulations and we didn't even think
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  of putting any in place before this all happened. I'll give you another example.
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  It's like the weed market over there in New York City. When I moved to
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  New York City, weed was just made legal, so every corner shop
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  was selling weed. It was all weed from California. That wasn't
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  legal, but none of them knew that because you just opened it up and told
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  nobody the rules, right? It's fucking stupid.
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  I will say this. I, you know, none of what
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  you just said I disagree with. I do think that
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  there— this is just sort of adding on to it. And the
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  idea that we've been treating college football for a very long
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  time. Yes. This wasn't always this way, but for a long time we've been treating
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  it like a feeder league into the NFL. Very much so. It is.
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  It has increasingly grown not only in viewership,
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  but in the, you know, the TV deals and everything else
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  that the way that it is sort of monetized in,
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  in broadcast media, promoted and
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  marketed is, is just like any professional
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  sports league. Very much so. So the
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  idea that, you know, NFL players who might be
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  in a training camp, maybe be practice squad level NFL players, would want to go
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  back down to a feeder league that has eligibility
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  available to them. Yes. Is not surprising. It's not. I mean that.
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  And I'm not sure I disagree with it the way that I know that you
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  do. I don't know that I do, because like you said,
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  within the structure of, of availability, like the
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  way things are structured right now, yeah, you can go back to LSU and
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  make a lot more money than you would make in literally any professional league.
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  No question about it. And I understand That
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  it— that we are now getting into a place where people are using college as
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  a professional opportunity. Very much so. But again,
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  it was always that way. The facade was that it wasn't. The facade
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  was always, well, if you buy him a ham sandwich,
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  you know, that's outside league rules. Yes. And now he's no longer an official
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  student. It's always been a fucking facade. Boosters were always deciding
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  who wanted money. Or who was getting the money. They were always hiding it
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  and finding ways to buy families houses and cars, and whoever they fucking
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  wanted to allot the money to, they were going to do that. And then maybe
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  down the road, if someone started sniffing it out, they were going to go and
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  take their fucking Heisman. So we are— these are two
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  sides of the same shitty fucking coin. No question. The only people I don't
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  blame still are the players in the system.
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  You're not wrong about that. And so If these 2
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  players saw the— saw the writing on the wall that making an NFL roster was
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  going to be incredibly difficult, long shot, and they said, we can
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  go back and play for Lane, make some more money doing that, I don't
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  blame them. And I definitely don't blame Lane Kiffin.
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  Like, I just fucking don't. I know. It's just— it's just— it's like
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  one of those situations that's like, goddamn it, it's the messenger again. Anybody but you.
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  Fucking anyone but you exploiting the system. Because here's the thing.
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  Just— it's always— it was always gonna be— it's always you. Why is it always
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  gonna be always you? And you're just not the guy for this right now.
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  I don't need— I just— be quiet for a day. Well, he's kind of like—
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  he's like a less successful Bill Belichick, right? Yes. Because it's like he's gonna find
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  the fucking loophole and he's gonna tell you to go fuck yourself and figure out
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  a way to fix it. And to— and I always respected that about Bill Belichick,
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  and I respect about anybody who looks at a situation, an establishment run by
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  billionaires and says, all right, well, you know, you guys do whatever you want.
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  You break the rules all the time, or you find little loopholes and then call
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  it legal. I'm gonna find a loophole and you're gonna have to spend the whole
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  offseason figuring out a way to close it. You're gonna have to find— spending your
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  whole offseason trying to find a way to fix it. Now, the point
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  I do— do you have a comment? No, I have a great comment. The end.
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  This is from Meg Gulliford. Gulliford. Gulliford.
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  Sorry. Get it someday. Sorry. One of these days, I promise. Gulliford. Gulliford. Gulliford.
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  Gotcha. All right, uh, here's the deal, Gulliford. She says the NCAA's
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  preferred course of action seems to be enact a policy,
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  watch the house burn down, and then, then determine if said
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  policy needs some guardrails, right? End quote.
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  Completely agree. How about this? The way I see all these policies the NCAA
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  does— pardon the expression— but it's just rearranging the
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  fucking deck chairs on the Titanic at the end of the day. Sure. Like,
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  yeah, no, I mean, you're not, you're not wrong. And we've been seeing that time
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  and time again. And the only The only problem that I have with the discourse
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  is that it like somehow ends up coming back on the players. I understand college
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  fandom has become something completely different in this day and age. I hate it.
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  I hate it for people who were fans of these teams who don't get to
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  like see a squad carry over to the next year anymore. I totally understand that.
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  And again, I'm not sure how comfortable we should have ever been with that
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  setup to begin with. I know that's a hard thing to hear.
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  I, you know, I, I have so many friends who grew up
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  fans of college football teams, fans of colleges and their sports teams.
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  Who lived in a world where those college teams functioned. You had,
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  you know, 4th, 5th year seniors all over the place
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  on these teams, and you had these teams that would stick together, and you had
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  your college quarterback that was there their whole career.
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  They were getting abused. Like, we— it
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  was a beautiful little moment for fans. It was not— it was
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  fucking awful for those players. And specifically
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  the way that they were able to exploit
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  um, you know, rural communities, inner city communities,
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  and exploit those players and those kids and then make the kind of money that
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  they were making on them. I'll never— I will take transfer
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  portal bullshit over that every single time. I would agree. We'll get used to it.
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  Things will be okay. The rest of this shit is a lot. And figuring
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  out how the transfer portal is supposed to work, figuring all those things out,
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  they've done no work on it. And I have a theory as to why.
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  Oh, I'm listening. So in his piece, Jay Busby
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  said there will come a point when every college football fan will decide if they've
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  had enough, if the sport has drifted too far from its golden days to
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  enjoy any longer. That day came for boxing and horse racing. College football
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  may now be too big to fail, but it's definitely not too big to avoid
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  losing its soul. And I'm— I
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  This feels very establishment white dude who covered
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  the Golden Age, uh, revisionist history to me.
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  Um, a little bit. Its soul was,
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  was firmly planted in exploitation. No question about it.
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  So from day one. So the viewership experience has been affected
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  because that's what happens when we no longer exploit the
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  most vulnerable part of a labor force. I, I don't know what
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  to fucking tell you guys. Like, we have to start getting on board with understanding
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  that, like, the disruption to these institutions is gonna look uncomfortable
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  and real fucking messy. And you're gonna have to decide, because he,
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  he says nobody roots for money, nobody roots for broadcast
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  agreements or escalating coaching salaries or congressional protecting college sports.
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  People root for the teams on the field. The teams on the field are made
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  up of fucking human beings. Yes. And those human beings are the people
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  putting their bodies— we talk about CTE and concussions. I'm ready. One in 4
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  now on on my Substack regarding like the real dichotomy
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  the cognitive dissonance requires to love football. Yes. And also hate
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  concussions. This is a whole thing that I'm writing a piece on. And the reality
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  is that's— this is just as dangerous of a sport for those people
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  as it is for NFL players. And they— there are way more
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  college football players and very few of like a very small percentage
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  of them are going to play professional football and get compensated for professional football.
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  So I don't view those days as the golden glory days. I view those days
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  as a bunch of people who died 20, 30, 40 years
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  in anonymity down the line from brain injuries and who knows what else that
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  we never fucking heard about. And so like, no, I don't
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  wanna go back to that. No, I do not. I don't know what the answer
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  is, but I do know that reflecting back with rose-colored glasses on an institution
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  that was that exploitative is something I'm not gonna engage
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  in. Yeah, here's the other thing. Is it dying? Like legitimately, its soul is dying,
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  quote unquote. That's what he said, it's not monetarily. Yeah, but I'm
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  using the quote unquote. Quote thing because you're absolutely right. What fucking soul? This is
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  like— this is made-up propaganda shit. You watched Rudy
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  one time and Hoosiers one time, you're like, oh man, this is
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  the good old days. No, it fucking wasn't. And especially if
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  you were not a white boy from the fucking, you know,
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  middle-class suburbs. Like, that— I, I hate— I hate
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  that shit. People do it with the NFL all the time too. Listen, I watch
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  the throwback documentaries to the '90s Cowboys and
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  the '80s Niners and the Broncos and the
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  hits were nuts. It is— it does feel like you're
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  watching something totally different. And there's an awe.
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  It's awe. It gives you— it leaves you with
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  a sense of awe for sure. But there's also like nothing in my
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  body that says, oh, I wish we could go back to this. Yeah. And like,
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  do I have an incredible respect for those athletes? 100%,
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  obviously. But I like look back at it going like, those are like the Dark
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  Ages. Those are, those are, those are not only just academic institutions,
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  but those are academic institutions acting as financial institutions, basically raking
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  in all this money. Like, the, the academic institutions that we're supposed
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  to revere and, and have all this respect for, yet they're basically
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  making all of their money off the exploitation of those players. And that's what
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  it was. And a lot of them getting injuries and CTE and not knowing what
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  to do after college because they actually weren't properly prepared to go through life after
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  college because they weren't actually prepared to be there because they were only there to
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  play fucking football. Like, I, I don't know what else to say other than those
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  were the dark times. These are just more of them,
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  except the players get paid. And we, we talk more now,
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  like, the outrage about these 2 NFL players coming back into college football
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  is more than I've ever heard about, you know,
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  some former Oklahoma player from the '90s who
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  may have ended up with Alzheimer's or some undiagnosed,
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  you know, brain trauma or whatever else. And because we don't have
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  like a big old story about it, we act like that's not— that wasn't the
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  bigger issue. But then I'll do a piece on the fact that Dave Duerson
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  wrote a note with his fucking Walter Payton Man of the Year Award
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  sitting right next to him before he fucking put a gun to his chest,
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  preserving his brain that he requested be fucking you know,
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  studied by the Brain Institute. Yep.
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  And everybody's like, this is so heartbreaking, it's so fucking— that— how do you
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  think he fucking got there? Yeah, it wasn't the glory days, it wasn't the soul
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  of football, it was the fucking darkest parts of it. And I don't— I don't
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  give a fuck if these 2 NFL players end up at LSU and
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  Lane Kiffin had like— I, I— what I care about is that we start treating
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  the— I love football, Cody. I fucking love football.
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  I agree. And I want it to be better. I do.
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  But we are not going to do it. It's like the same thing you always
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  say with the like, hey, look over here about trans people while we're about
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  to potentially enter nuclear warfare with Iran. Yes.
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  But trans athletes— I'm not looking over at the NFL players and LSU. You're not
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  convincing me to look at that. Fuck you. Yeah, I agree with that. And also
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  on top of that, like, I can't stress enough, I don't care. Should I?
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  My thought process on the guys coming back to playing after playing in pro ball
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  is more of like a mentality thing because I did this thing.
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  That's really it. Outside of that, I really don't have an issue with them exploiting
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  a system that's already been exploited, exploitative for 100 fucking years. The benefit
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  of being in a system that has single, double, AAA, and majors.
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  Very much so. Right. There is no like you don't make it in the NFL,
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  you go to the CFL, maybe you go to Australia. There's not many options.
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  So now we've opened up a door to another option.
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  This is like, again, like, I'm not going to sit here and say this is
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  the best way for it. But again, I don't— I would love to
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  have this conversation in a world where we've addressed way more
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  of these issues that actually fucking affect these kids. Yeah.
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  And like, like I said, there were
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  no glory days. Those didn't happen. The Blind Side.
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  Yes, that was a fucking Disney movie.
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  Not, not real. Just fucking ask, ask the star. Yeah. Ask Michael Oher what the
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  real story was. Ask him. Ask him, he'll tell
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  you. Fucking bullshit is what that movie was. Exactly. Headline number 2.
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  Headline number 2, Cody. Um, Artie Marino is selling the Los Angeles
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  Angels majority stake of the Los Angeles Angels to Rams owner Stan Kroenke.
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  You did it, Angel fans! You guys can go ahead and put your shirts
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  back on after and congratulate yourselves on a job well done.
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  You're like— they're like the suffs. They're like the suffragettes.
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  Of Major League Baseball. Leading the charge. They did it.
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  You did it. You beat Woodrow Wilson into submission. You got your vote.
• 20:54
  You've been listened to. Mr. Cronky is on the way.
• 20:58
  First order of business, rename the team back to Anaheim Angels.
• 21:01
  Second order of business, probably move them out of Anaheim. Oh,
• 21:05
  well, I don't think— I have a feeling you should maybe do that differently.
• 21:07
  I'll let you guys know that later. But like, right now, enjoy. We did it.
• 21:11
  He's gone. They're about to be the Inglewood Angels, baby. Baby, they're coming to Inglewood.
• 21:15
  Um, in an abrupt end to his longtime ownership of the Angels.
• 21:19
  Artie Marino has agreed to sell the MLB franchise to the Rams owner
• 21:23
  Stan Kroenke at a record-setting valuation of $4 billion. League sources
• 21:27
  told The Athletic on the condition of anonymity to discuss the deal. It's now not—
• 21:31
  it's kind of widespread. Kroenke will purchase a controlling stake in the Angels
• 21:34
  through the billionaire's holding company, Kroenke Sports and Entertainment.
• 21:38
  And in addition to the Rams, Kroenke's portfolio of sports teams includes
• 21:41
  the Denver Nuggets, The Colorado Avalanche, the Colorado
• 21:45
  Rapids of the MLS, and Arsenal in the Premier League.
• 21:48
  Um, here's the thing, uh, Kroenke, one of the more successful owners—
• 21:53
  he's having a great run, dude. The Rams are excellent. Uh, Arsenal has
• 21:56
  been one of, if not the best teams in Premier League for years
• 22:00
  now. Uh, the Denver Nuggets have won a title recently.
• 22:04
  Uh, the Colorado Avalanche have been fucking good, a good
• 22:08
  team for a long time. Haven't been paying attention to MLS. Not going to
• 22:12
  lie. Me neither. I have no idea. That's a team I imagine based on its
• 22:14
  fucking history. Hey, it's probably the best team in the MLS. If someone in the
• 22:17
  chat's been paying attention to MLS, they probably have 9 MLS cups.
• 22:21
  Yeah. Is it a cup? MLS? Yeah. I should know that.
• 22:25
  I used to watch a trophy. But, you know, that's, that's a solid,
• 22:29
  that's a solid acquisition for them. And not— and so my point is,
• 22:33
  Kroenke, for all my feelings about owners and billionaires, does not buy teams and
• 22:38
  then let them just Fucking— no, he does not, man. He's not one of those
• 22:41
  owners. No, this is gonna be interesting. He's a genuinely, uh, he's a genuinely
• 22:46
  successful team owner, and the Angels have not presented
• 22:50
  a real threat to the Dodgers for a really long time. Like, the entire
• 22:53
  time that I've lived here, the Dodgers have been not only the best,
• 22:57
  you know, the best team and the most consistent team in Los Angeles, but also
• 23:01
  one of the best teams in Major League Baseball, increasingly so.
• 23:06
  The Angels being run by a legitimately functional
• 23:11
  owner, an owner that is good at this stuff, an owner that understands the business
• 23:14
  of improving a team in that spot is super fascinating
• 23:18
  to me. And I mean,
• 23:23
  I— they're not even in the same, you know,
• 23:26
  they're in the AL, right? So we're not— AL West,
• 23:29
  worst division in baseball. Worst division in baseball. Yep. Excellent point.
• 23:34
  So like this, this is interesting to me. Very interesting.
• 23:38
  Things can happen quick. Now, here's the thing with the Angels that I do know
• 23:41
  for a fact. Their organization is barren. The,
• 23:45
  the whole cupboard is barren. They have no real money in development.
• 23:48
  They're a complete mess. They're like a multi-year project.
• 23:52
  I know some people in baseball that would absolutely take that on. You should see
• 23:55
  what the White Sox have just done in one year process. It's very possible if
• 23:58
  you bring in the right people, a multi-year project. I mean, if you bring in
• 24:02
  the right people, you can do this fast. I think the White Sox Cody Becker's
• 24:05
  local. Cody Becker's local. I'm right up the street, baby. 36 miles. Think about it.
• 24:09
  Daddy could come to town, rebuild the org. No, I, I'm not the guy for
• 24:12
  that job, but I think other people are. Well, you might be the guy for
• 24:15
  the guy. I might be the guy for the guy, you know what I'm saying?
• 24:17
  For the guy for the guy. Exactly. I love that. I love that. Every guy
• 24:20
  needs a guy. Every guy needs a guy, and I am that guy's guy.
• 24:23
  And then I'll be your guy. I love that. Love it. Anyways, listen,
• 24:26
  I'm, I'm very, I'm very happy. I'm happy for this change. I think it's the
• 24:30
  right type of owner to get in the system and Listen, if there is no
• 24:32
  salary cap, I look very, very forward to seeing Mr. Cronkite actually operate within a
• 24:36
  free market fucking sports system. So that's going to be interesting too. Yeah. You know,
• 24:40
  I wonder what— I wonder what's going to be— I wonder where Cronkite lands on
• 24:42
  that because we know where Artie would have landed. Yeah, but I do wonder where
• 24:46
  Cronkite lands on that. It's going to be interesting. I also— I said this to
• 24:49
  you in text and you shot me down, but I know it's because you,
• 24:52
  you just don't want me to be right. I do wonder that if shit
• 24:56
  goes down with the Dodgers. Oh, if Mark Walter— it's a realistic question.
• 25:00
  Fucks that up. If suddenly, you know,
• 25:04
  Shohei's former team, his first team, his buddy Mike Trout are sitting
• 25:08
  right there in the same, you know, same area of the country, doesn't have
• 25:12
  to move, you know? Yeah. I, I'm just
• 25:15
  saying we've talked about the potential that Ohtani, who's not building
• 25:19
  the out into his contract, lands somewhere else. Would you move cross-country
• 25:23
  if you could just, you know, move a couple of miles down the road?
• 25:24
  I mean, if at the end of the day, I think it's going to be
• 25:27
  who pays you and gives you that money because you know what his relationship was
• 25:29
  with Mike Trout. I think pretty good, as far as I know. As far as
• 25:33
  I'm aware, pretty damn good. Yeah. I mean, I know it's not bad because if
• 25:37
  it were bad, we would have heard about that. No, as far as I know.
• 25:39
  Yeah. Good. Yeah. But I— but that is— that's as far as I know.
• 25:42
  And Trout is obviously like, you know, he's getting older, he's getting up there
• 25:47
  in age, but he's, you know, still a good enough ballplayer. I don't see it
• 25:50
  happening, but it definitely is worth pondering because it is thinking about not impossible
• 25:55
  if a new billionaire is really entering the market here in Major League Baseball,
• 25:58
  willing to open up the pocketbook depending what happens this next December.
• 26:01
  I'm interested. I'm really interested to see what kind of owner he's going to be
• 26:05
  in this. Who doesn't want to play for Stan Kroenke? I mean, everybody in the,
• 26:08
  in the NFL has gotten to play for him. Okay,
• 26:12
  that's what he said. Yeah, it was very weird. It didn't, it didn't get the
• 26:16
  reaction. He's a very weird man. Incredibly weird man.
• 26:21
  Um, but, but is he, is he trying to get Hummers in a parking lot
• 26:24
  in, in East Palestine, Ohio? I don't, I don't know.
• 26:28
  I don't know what that is in reference to. Me neither. Some football team called
• 26:32
  the 149ers. 149ers?
• 26:36
  What? Oh, it's just roughly the price that he was willing to pay. Oh yeah,
• 26:40
  yeah, you get there, you get there. I was like, oh, Jed York. Yes,
• 26:43
  yes. Okay, sorry, took me a bit, took me a bit. All right, uh,
• 26:46
  let's stay with, uh, let's stay in Los Angeles and stay with the Rams.
• 26:49
  And quickly, because we haven't been able to talk about it, talk about the fact
• 26:52
  that Aaron Donald is back on the Los Angeles Rams after a 2-year
• 26:56
  retirement. Crazy, man. He has signed with the Rams. There was a little deep
• 27:00
  dive into sort of how the Rams got Donald back. He was off
• 27:04
  and on about whether to return the past couple of months. He's been talking to
• 27:07
  his wife, who was on board, saying she was 100% on board if he wanted
• 27:11
  to do this. And he has been talking to Sean McVay every single
• 27:15
  week, every damn— damn near every day. He said, we stayed in contact.
• 27:18
  I gave him all my updates, how I was feeling, how things were going.
• 27:21
  And you know, fucking, you know, this is true because Sean McVay is one of
• 27:25
  those dudes that in some way, shape, or form would still text back every
• 27:29
  single person who texted him, even if it was like 300 people a day.
• 27:31
  Like, you can just tell he has that like motor in him. Yeah, he's got
• 27:34
  that. He's got that like cocaine. Yes, exactly. Yeah. He said there wasn't
• 27:38
  any rushing. I just want to take my time and make the right decision because
• 27:41
  once you choose to come back, you're all the way back in. He did talk
• 27:44
  about the fact that he didn't think this was an unfinished team or that he
• 27:46
  adds to a team. He said this team was complete. I— which is why I
• 27:49
  wanted to come be a part of it. Um, so we did individual meetings,
• 27:52
  and they deserve the right to ask and understand and create clarity, because the unknown
• 27:55
  is what bothers people. Um, that's what somebody in the organization said.
• 27:58
  And so we had a good discussion, aired it all out, and then I told
• 28:02
  them that we're, uh, that we were gonna go to work the next day.
• 28:04
  Um, so everybody, you know, obviously someone lost a spot on the team,
• 28:08
  which is something that sucks. Sometimes you're on a team and Aaron
• 28:12
  Donald decides to come back. I mean, I would love to feel extra bad.
• 28:15
  I, I I can't, you know. So, uh,
• 28:19
  here's the thing about Aaron Donald that I think is really
• 28:23
  unique to Aaron Donald specifically. Fucking listen to him, man. He is
• 28:26
  one of the most conditioned athletes I've
• 28:30
  ever seen. He's a monster. And he was always, you know,
• 28:33
  he was sort of underrated coming out of college because of
• 28:36
  his size, because of some other, like— but since he's been in—
• 28:41
  since he was in the NFL from the very beginning, it was like very clear
• 28:44
  that like this is— certain people are just athletic in a
• 28:48
  different way. And it's not just because I think he has this natural
• 28:52
  gift, but you and I've talked about this before where there's a— sometimes athletes
• 28:56
  with an absolutely insane natural aptitude work,
• 29:00
  they, they let that, uh, they let that carry their work ethic.
• 29:04
  Yeah. And so instead of working extra hard to use to build
• 29:07
  it up to its maximum capacity, they rest on their laurels.
• 29:11
  I've seen this kind of thing with like somebody like Aaron Rodgers, who is
• 29:15
  easily like a top 3 quarterback I've ever watched play football when he's playing at
• 29:18
  his prime. Like, he's, he's so fucking good, it's actually annoying. Yeah, but he did
• 29:22
  not have the kind of work ethic that would require him to overtake
• 29:26
  the, the greatest winners of the— in the history of the
• 29:29
  league, because he was Aaron Rodgers. He never had to fucking work that hard.
• 29:33
  Yeah. Aaron Donald had just enough sort of
• 29:37
  holding him back size-wise to be like, you know what, I'm never gonna get fucking
• 29:40
  beat. I'm gonna work harder and I'm gonna condition myself more than anybody on planet
• 29:43
  Earth. So because he's always had that at the core of the how he plays
• 29:47
  the game, there's no fucking way he would come back if he wasn't ready,
• 29:51
  if he wasn't capable. I'm fired up to see him, and I'm wondering just to
• 29:54
  see what kind of usage he's going to get, especially early on. I'm assuming they're
• 29:57
  going to kind of hold him back a little bit. The crazy part is they
• 29:58
  don't they don't need him to pass rush. I know,
• 30:02
  this is the craziest thing about it. I'm just looking at it like, when was
• 30:05
  the last time Aaron Donald like played like man-on-man, one-on-one? Like, like truly just
• 30:09
  straight up defensive tackle? Yeah, what you're saying. Exactly. Like, like this guy's been double-teamed
• 30:13
  his whole career. Yeah. Oh yeah. Well, also like in so many ways he was
• 30:16
  always playing it— he was always rushing from the inside of the line, right?
• 30:19
  Which was so crazy for— to, to get 20 sacks at defensive tackle
• 30:23
  at his size shouldn't have been possible, right? To have like a 20-sack
• 30:26
  season. No, but he's like a scalpel. Right. So like, what's so fascinating
• 30:30
  is even if he's like reduced his threat level in terms
• 30:34
  of— because he's now 34, 35 years old, whatever— with,
• 30:38
  with Myles Garrett coming off the edge, like,
• 30:42
  that's a nightmare. And I'm not saying he's never played with other good edge rushers.
• 30:45
  He's never played with Myles Garrett though. But Myles Garrett's the best, the best
• 30:50
  defensive lineman he's ever played his— is in his career. I'm so
• 30:54
  excited to watch this. So it's really, really interesting. I'm excited to see how they
• 30:57
  use him. I am interested to see if they use him if he does
• 31:01
  play a little bit more like a, like a pure classic defensive tackle
• 31:04
  in the way that they use him, but also with the threat of
• 31:08
  the rush from the inside, it could be crazy.
• 31:11
  I'm so excited. They're obviously all in on a Super Bowl completely. But I
• 31:15
  got to say, like, for a team that has that high-powered an offense, you got
• 31:18
  Davante Adams, you got fucking, you got fucking Puka Nacua, and you have the defending
• 31:21
  MVP in Matthew Stafford. Did they also just go get, um,
• 31:24
  what's his name back? The other wide receiver that they had? Who?
• 31:27
  Um, they just got that other wide receiver back. Fuck, I'm gonna forget
• 31:30
  his name. I don't know. Um, Tutu Atwell. Oh yes, they did. Yeah, yeah.
• 31:33
  So like, so like, this team's offense is ridiculous, yet I'm
• 31:37
  more excited to watch them on defense. Yeah. And I don't know how much we're
• 31:41
  going to see them on defense because this is the most— because also remember McDuffie's
• 31:44
  in the backfield as well. So like, this is a ridiculous— no, they have a
• 31:47
  great— they have a great secondary too. It's unbelievable. Like, so I'm excited to see
• 31:51
  it, but Follow-up question, do you think it's cocaine energy, or do you think it's
• 31:54
  like that weird energy Tom Cruise has that Sean— Scientology energy?
• 31:57
  Yeah, there's something weird about that. I don't— it's definitely not cocaine energy. So I—
• 32:01
  there's like— I see, um, Sean McVay and Ben Johnson as 2
• 32:05
  sides of the same intensity, sort of like intense white man millennial
• 32:10
  energy. And Ben Johnson is the cocaine side,
• 32:13
  and Sean McVay is the like, I read a lot of self-help books side.
• 32:17
  Yeah, dude, those self-help book guys are fucking weird. Yeah, yeah. So not quite
• 32:21
  Scientology, but like something sort of in there. No, like, but like, but that's
• 32:25
  also like that, that type of guy has also got the Aaron Rodgers people
• 32:29
  on that side too. That's always worse. Yeah, but if you can avoid the,
• 32:32
  if you can avoid the detour into conspiracy theory, you know,
• 32:35
  that's where you, that's, that's, you start, you start on the mushrooms
• 32:39
  and it goes one of two ways, right? I did mushrooms for the first time
• 32:42
  not recently. Yeah, pretty recently. I know, it was interesting. I didn't like your review
• 32:45
  because you were like, yeah, it was good. I mean, you microdosed.
• 32:49
  I don't think I did nearly enough. Listen, I, I didn't do enough. Okay,
• 32:52
  I didn't do it, but I did. I did the smallest microdose ever and like
• 32:56
  had the best time. Oh really, dude? I just— I don't smoke weed,
• 32:59
  and I do wonder— I smoke a lot of weed. Everyone knows that about me.
• 33:02
  I smoke plenty of weed. I'm a big fan of the ganj. I'm not not
• 33:05
  a fan, I just can't smoke it. But well, here's the thing, like, dude,
• 33:07
  I, I didn't— I I felt very similar to what I— there was
• 33:11
  no giggles, there was no like hallucinating. I didn't look up at the sky and
• 33:15
  be like, my God. It was more like, oh, this just feels, uh, I feel
• 33:17
  relaxed. This is nice, I guess. No, you need to, you need to eat
• 33:21
  more, dude. I know, I wanted to trip balls and I didn't.
• 33:24
  See, I think what I— so I had the experience that, that you had,
• 33:28
  only like I had been in the most stressful period of my life.
• 33:32
  And so like I had just not— I had not relaxed
• 33:36
  in like a month and a half. So when I microdosed, had a couple margaritas,
• 33:39
  I was with, by the way, like a bunch of my favorite people in the
• 33:42
  world in Palm Springs at my friend's house, like having this like amazing
• 33:46
  40th birthday party for one of our best friends. And everybody
• 33:49
  did it. And by the way, Palm Springs, this sounds amazing already. And so
• 33:54
  like for me, I think it was like I didn't want anything more. All I
• 33:57
  wanted in the world was to just be in the moment
• 34:02
  and have it just be in the moment. And that's exactly what it did for
• 34:04
  me. I was in the moment. I was I, by the way, greatest feeling
• 34:08
  ever, we can all agree, is when you absolutely crush on the aux,
• 34:11
  when you just crush the fucking playlist. Yes. When you're
• 34:15
  in charge of the playlist and you're just getting it going and people are like—
• 34:18
  and you can see that you've, you've created the party through the music.
• 34:21
  I was that. Not— you couldn't tell me shit.
• 34:25
  You couldn't tell me shit. I was like, this is the greatest moment of my
• 34:28
  life. All right, I get it, I get it. I just, I didn't have that
• 34:30
  experience. I didn't have a bad experience, but like, I was, I was all excited
• 34:33
  to like see shit. All right, well, you know what, I think that you could—
• 34:36
  I think you could not trip and do the microdose like chill-out session.
• 34:40
  You just need to do it with the right people, dude. I, I have a
• 34:42
  mocha— I have a like a tolerance reserved for like old Irish
• 34:46
  dock workers in the 1930s. No, I, I think that,
• 34:50
  uh, microdosing and actually like aiming to trip,
• 34:53
  very different experience. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Microdosing is chill.
• 34:57
  Chill. I was chilled. You're probably just chill,
• 35:01
  but there's like a threshold that you— I, I want to meet it because I've
• 35:05
  always been a boring drug guy. I've never done cocaine. I've never done fucking—
• 35:09
  I've really never done anything. The mushrooms was kind of out of the norm for
• 35:12
  me. I've only really smoked weed a lot. Yeah, yeah. And you don't like— now's
• 35:16
  not the time to be trying any of them. No, I ain't trying any of
• 35:18
  that shit. Fuck you guys. You guys are fucking nuts.
• 35:22
  I fucking heard stories. Uh, fuck that noise. Uh, either way,
• 35:26
  we do know that, um, Sean McVay, whatever he is on, it is working.
• 35:30
  So, uh, congrats to Rams fans. Oh yeah, congratulations, Rams fans.
• 35:34
  Uh, and whatever that high on life— genuinely really excited to see those
• 35:38
  2 on the same line. I am a— I— when that— when I do get
• 35:41
  a little bit of poetry in motion in football, you don't often get something like
• 35:44
  this happen. So I'm excited about it. Well, I'm excited too, and I'm glad we're
• 35:47
  both excited. Now let's bring down the fucking house and let's talk
• 35:51
  about something that Really gets all the family and friends together. Colin Kaepernick
• 35:55
  anniversary, even the time he kneeled. Yeah. So Colin Kaepernick's kneeling protest
• 36:00
  is sort of coming back up. It's the 10-year anniversary and he has released a
• 36:04
  memoir called The Perilous Fight.
• 36:07
  And there are going to be several excerpts that come out of this. And then,
• 36:10
  you know, the book itself being out will obviously,
• 36:14
  you know, provide a lot of details into his perspective on things.
• 36:18
  I want to talk about this, and it's a, it's a little bit sensitive,
• 36:22
  but Kaepernick said in his memoir, which is slated
• 36:27
  to release on September 15th, that he was in
• 36:30
  an NFL group chat. The chat featured roughly 100
• 36:34
  players from all 32 teams, according to NBC.
• 36:39
  Kaepernick writes of a text exchange in September 2016 in
• 36:42
  which then-Seahawks cornerback Richard Sherman told him he shouldn't tell players
• 36:46
  how to protest. One former player told NBC that the tension in that
• 36:50
  chat was palpable, as others suggested that Kaepernick only felt—
• 36:54
  only knelt for personal gain. And,
• 36:58
  you know, this is September 2016.
• 37:02
  Trump has not been elected yet. There is like the existential
• 37:06
  dread we've been feeling since then really changed the tide. We haven't
• 37:11
  gone through the pandemic. We haven't gone through the summer of Black Lives Matter
• 37:15
  protests. We have it— I mean, the amount that's happened in a decade— this
• 37:18
  was like the beginning of something though. The amount that's happened in a decade.
• 37:23
  And I have frequently talked about this, and I will eventually do like
• 37:26
  a long-form thing. I've been planning this for a long time about how Kaepernick's
• 37:30
  protest tied into our descent into fascism.
• 37:34
  Absolutely. Um, it is, it is a very specific moment in time that
• 37:37
  cannot be ignored. It was In my opinion, it was
• 37:41
  this crux point of the culture war. Yeah. Or I should
• 37:46
  rephrase that, I apologize. The— it was the crux point that
• 37:50
  a certain grouping of people were waiting for,
• 37:53
  that they can point at their supposed culture war. Yeah. And it was
• 37:56
  always going to come from something, and he ended up being the cudgel. Um,
• 38:00
  but it is, you know, there's going to be a lot of— there's going to
• 38:04
  be a lot of mixed opinions on someone like Richard
• 38:07
  Sherman not only, you know, saying don't tell us how to protest,
• 38:11
  but also this idea that he was in it for personal gain, you know,
• 38:14
  making himself the story. He was definitely the story,
• 38:18
  but I mean, the thing— I mean, we know that— we know,
• 38:21
  and we knew— I knew at the time, I'll speak for myself at the time,
• 38:25
  that like there was no like good outcome for Kaepernick
• 38:29
  within NFL circles by protesting and getting the entire conservative right
• 38:33
  mad at you. I didn't think it would go as far as it did,
• 38:35
  though. I didn't think his career was over. I really didn't. I didn't.
• 38:38
  But I never thought like, oh, well, this is something that he's doing for,
• 38:41
  like, for personal gain. He was— he was
• 38:45
  doing it for attention, for the cause, which is what protest is.
• 38:49
  So the thing that's happening here is super fascinating.
• 38:53
  And because it's 10 years ago, I'm not going to cast aspersions on Richard
• 38:57
  Sherman or any of the other players that may have been feeling in their feelings
• 39:00
  about this at the time. Yeah. But what I will say is
• 39:04
  that I am frequently disappointed in how NFL
• 39:08
  players show up when one of their players
• 39:12
  or one of the people in the league is willing to speak out
• 39:16
  on behalf of marginalized communities, whether it's theirs or someone else's.
• 39:20
  And this idea that you—
• 39:25
  this sort of like this individualism that
• 39:29
  people experience so often where when they see somebody fighting
• 39:33
  for a cause, they assume it's, it's for attention,
• 39:39
  or they assume it's like self— like a self-aggrandizing thing
• 39:43
  rather than like— that is not— that is like a cultural problem that
• 39:46
  we're having even on the left, even among people who consider
• 39:51
  themselves more liberal, even among, you know, Black NFL players. Is this idea that
• 39:55
  it's like anything you're doing that's drawing attention to you is for— is,
• 39:59
  is— it's only for that. Now,
• 40:02
  it makes me think so much about the Cleveland Summit
• 40:06
  and like how Black players during Muhammad
• 40:10
  Ali's protests responded at the time to his protest.
• 40:15
  Do you know about the Cleveland Summit? I don't know enough about it. No,
• 40:17
  please, please enlighten me. So when Muhammad Ali was you
• 40:22
  know, sort of at the peak of his public discourse. It was really bad.
• 40:25
  It was just as bad as the Kaepernick thing, only— are you talking about specifically
• 40:29
  his protests of the Vietnam War? Yes, of course. Only, you know, he was the
• 40:33
  most famous boxer. You know, he became— he's Muhammad Ali.
• 40:37
  Yes. Right. So at the time there—
• 40:40
  so this, this thing happened in Cleveland where they— all of these,
• 40:44
  uh, famous athletes, Black athletes at the time,
• 40:47
  met to essentially convince Muhammad
• 40:50
  Ali to stop protesting.
• 40:54
  And, you know, there— Bob Arum had joined
• 40:58
  up with the Nation of Islam to persuade him to accept the deal that
• 41:02
  they had negotiated with the government. If Ali would agree to perform boxing exhibitions
• 41:06
  for US troops, the draft-dodging charges would be dropped.
• 41:10
  At the time, Arum was running a company called Main Bout,
• 41:14
  This is all, by the way, from Jonathan Eig on Andscape.
• 41:19
  He was running a company called Main Bout, which was like a closed-circuit
• 41:23
  television company, and they were trying to attract viewers.
• 41:26
  So they were like, let's do these bouts. Like, we'll get you out of trouble
• 41:30
  with the government. We'll get, you know, the closed-circuit TV
• 41:33
  deals. And Jim Brown, the NFL legend Jim Brown,
• 41:37
  was involved in this in this main
• 41:41
  bout with Bob Arum. So they
• 41:46
  said, anybody— these— all these athletes who are going to go and organize this meeting,
• 41:49
  who Jim Brown organized, they said, if any
• 41:53
  of these conglomeration of Black athletes could have
• 41:57
  this meeting with Ali and convince him to resume boxing for this purpose,
• 42:01
  then you will all get closed-circuit franchises as well.
• 42:06
  Now, Jim Brown at the time was very invested in accumulating
• 42:09
  Black empowerment, Black wealth, the idea that, like, we need to get
• 42:13
  ourselves into these spaces and into these rooms, which I understand. And so there was—
• 42:16
  he saw what Ali was doing as a, like, sort of competing interest.
• 42:21
  So Jim Brown was there, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar was there, and there
• 42:24
  were several other NFL players, um, in that meeting.
• 42:28
  Bobby Mitchell was there, Walter Beach. Um, so there's
• 42:33
  like, I think there was about, but like the, the main stars were Muhammad Ali,
• 42:35
  Jim Brown, and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. Yeah. And what happened
• 42:39
  in that meeting was essentially Ali sat
• 42:43
  down and it was behind closed doors. Nobody saw really whatever, but like Muhammad
• 42:47
  Ali said, I'm, I get what you guys are doing. I'm not mad at you
• 42:51
  about it. Here's where I'm standing. I'm not budging.
• 42:54
  He was not budging for any of this. Yes.
• 42:58
  And they came back out to a press conference for the press after
• 43:03
  being told, fuck you and your closed-circuit television deals, fuck you and what you're trying
• 43:06
  to do, Jim Brown, fuck you, Kareem, and all the stuff
• 43:10
  that Kareem had been doing. And he didn't say it like that, he's Muhammad Ali,
• 43:13
  but like essentially being like, guys, I'm sorry. Yeah, I'm not in. And what they
• 43:17
  did was they came out and they were like, what he's fighting for,
• 43:20
  he believes in more than— Kareem said this,
• 43:24
  I don't think I've ever believed in anything as much as what— as he fully
• 43:27
  fucking believes in what he's doing. And so we are— we're
• 43:32
  supporting him. And like, they had not gone there to support him.
• 43:36
  They'd gone there to talk him out of it, talk him out of doing this
• 43:39
  and get a huge payday for pretty much everyone to help them with paydays and
• 43:43
  help them get their money. And Jim Brown had said, like, what you're doing could
• 43:46
  help with Black industry. Yeah, generational potential
• 43:49
  wealth, right? And the character it took on all
• 43:53
  fronts, by the way, not only from Jim Brown and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, but specifically
• 43:57
  from Muhammad Ali, to get up there with each other, sit side by side at
• 44:01
  a press conference in front of the press and say, we— for them
• 44:05
  to sit there with him on camera, in front of cameras and microphones
• 44:09
  and say, we are going to support Muhammad Ali, which, by the way, was going
• 44:13
  to be a knock on Jim Brown, was going to be a knock on Kareem,
• 44:15
  was going to affect Bob Arum. By just supporting him publicly was
• 44:20
  huge. So this was a very complicated thing.
• 44:23
  That complicated thing exists decades
• 44:27
  and decades later in 2016. Yes. And we
• 44:31
  saw nothing like that, right? Like, what we're hearing from Kaepernick is that the
• 44:35
  response to him from his fellow NFL players was
• 44:39
  something that was like a lot more,
• 44:43
  um, you know, dismissive than I think what all of those men were fighting for
• 44:47
  decades and decades prior. Yeah. And again,
• 44:50
  I think Richard Sherman knows everything I'm talking
• 44:54
  about. This is not me talking down to any of these people. It's not me
• 44:56
  saying that they don't know what they're talking about in their own— in the history
• 45:00
  of this country and in the history of, of Black protest. But we
• 45:04
  have reached a place of individualism that I think has,
• 45:08
  um, really made people skeptical of intentionality and
• 45:13
  And, you know, the power of stepping up for
• 45:18
  each other in those spaces. And so, like,
• 45:21
  you know, I've always said we're never going to get anywhere with the NFL
• 45:25
  and with movement in the NFL and with, with political
• 45:29
  movements in the NFL if we don't— if these players, these star players continue
• 45:34
  to feel like their individual voices matter more
• 45:39
  than the collective. Couldn't agree more. I, I just, I wish there was another way
• 45:43
  of saying it. And, you know, I'm actually going to be interested when this,
• 45:45
  uh, gets released. I would love to hear, I would love to hear from
• 45:49
  Richard Sherman and hear it. Like, by the way, I'm not saying this is a
• 45:52
  commendation or a damnation on Richard Sherman. I'm, I'm interested in the perspective
• 45:57
  because I also think we all now have the benefit of hindsight. Yeah. You know,
• 46:00
  if you're an NFL player, and I know how athletes can be when it's one,
• 46:04
  we all, even our own teammates, we see each other as competition even if we're
• 46:07
  fighting for same shit. So there's like a part of me that just thinks
• 46:11
  this might have been misunderstood at that exact moment because of just overall
• 46:16
  players' ego and just nonsense, you know, that, you know,
• 46:20
  cooler heads in another decade of wisdom might have changed
• 46:24
  their minds. Like, I look back at all the type of shit that I like
• 46:27
  used to like kind of battle teammates and other teammates on, going like, all that
• 46:31
  is so fucking trivial. Everything we ever battled on was just because we were both
• 46:34
  fighting for basically the same fucking job. And for the same,
• 46:37
  same fucking position. Yeah, that is it. It was just competition and
• 46:41
  it kind of bred a sort of— hate's not the word,
• 46:44
  but close to it a little bit.
• 46:46
  I'm not saying that's necessarily
• 46:50
  what affected this, but I'd be interested to find out if it is the case.
• 46:52
  It's just, man, I think it— I mean, I do think that 10—
• 46:57
  the last 10 years have proven Kaepernick more right than
• 47:00
  I could agree more on earth. And like, not that I don't I don't think
• 47:04
  people thought he was wrong at the time, but I think it's proven that his
• 47:07
  protest was more impactful than people could have realized at the time
• 47:10
  in 2016, 2017. And here's the thing about it, we talk about
• 47:14
  the Muhammad Ali thing and what a controversy— who right
• 47:19
  now, literally anybody in the world, left, right, because after Muhammad Ali died,
• 47:22
  I heard plenty of people on the right going like, and his bravery during the
• 47:26
  fucking— we all look back going Muhammad Ali was 100% correct.
• 47:29
  Are we gonna have the same feeling about Colin Kaepernick 30 years from now,
• 47:32
  or are those people so mis-minded that they can't see
• 47:36
  the parallels? It's a sort of tactical thing. They use, um, Black icons from the
• 47:40
  past as like these pedestals for like current Black people to
• 47:45
  like— so people will say, oh, Martin Luther King, act more like him,
• 47:48
  he advocated for peace. Well, that's a fucking completely mis— it's
• 47:52
  a misrepresentation of what Martin Luther King was fighting for, but also they
• 47:56
  like to use, um, Black revolutionaries and Black icons
• 48:00
  and leaders and civil rights leaders as cudgels.
• 48:04
  Um, you know, they'll use them. They're long gone. They're in the past. They're long
• 48:08
  dead. Now we can throw them in everybody's faces now and tell them this is
• 48:11
  how you should be acting. Um, but like,
• 48:14
  which is like not, you know, that's not helpful either.
• 48:17
  But I do think that the blueprint that was set for
• 48:21
  people within a, like, the sports space to
• 48:25
  disagree with a protest and then still support it is
• 48:29
  super powerful. And, um,
• 48:32
  and I, I think, like, understanding that somebody
• 48:37
  genuinely believes in a cause and knowing the difference between performative
• 48:42
  justice work and real justice work— Colin Kaepernick since then has done
• 48:46
  everything. He has He has stood 10 toes down on his justice work.
• 48:50
  He has created, you know, entire,
• 48:53
  um, nonprofits around helping marginalized people
• 48:57
  get justice, not only with autopsies and money for those kinds
• 49:02
  of things, money for, for lawyers. Like, this dude's been doing the work. Yes.
• 49:05
  And, and it was so evident that he was somebody who that work
• 49:09
  mattered to. Yeah. And I hope that through this book and
• 49:13
  through this anniversary and looking back at what has unfolded since Kaepernick first
• 49:18
  knelt, that everybody, but specifically these athletes,
• 49:22
  um, and not Black, not— I need— I
• 49:26
  said this when, when Andre Carter, you know,
• 49:30
  white athletes have got to fucking join the fight. They really do. Like,
• 49:33
  they really do. It's mind-blowing that they don't. It's really so tired
• 49:37
  of this being put on these dudes. Like, where the fuck is Josh Allen?
• 49:41
  Where the fuck are these like white faces of the NFL
• 49:45
  when shit goes down? It's always to protect the shield. But the crazy part
• 49:48
  is the shield needs Josh Allen. The shield needs Matthew Stafford. The shield
• 49:53
  needs fucking TJ Watt.
• 49:57
  Show us who the fuck you are. I'm so tired of this falling on Black
• 50:00
  athletes all the time, and 10 years later we're still fucking here. Hey, it's,
• 50:04
  it's kind of wild. It just is wild to me. But listen, 10 years later,
• 50:07
  we're here. I'd say 50 years later, we're fucking still here.
• 50:11
  Like, and honestly, I'd say we're further— 400 years later,
• 50:14
  we're still here. Yeah, I feel like the night— were we— was I wrong?
• 50:18
  Weren't things like in the 2000s like better? Like in
• 50:21
  the late 2000s? I think there was like a period in the, in the late
• 50:24
  '90s, there was— there— it was a little sketchy because of mandatory
• 50:28
  sentencing laws. Okay. But late '90s and before
• 50:32
  9/11— everything went to hell after 9/11 because of the Patriot Act. So it's really—
• 50:36
  but the racism was— yeah, the racism and the sexism has gotten
• 50:40
  somehow like worse. Worse. Like, well, I can't speak for racism.
• 50:44
  I'll say the sexism has gotten worse.
• 50:47
  We talked about this in one of our recent shows. It's true. Like, like,
• 50:50
  people— the way people talk about women athletes now is like worse than when I
• 50:54
  was a kid. You poor, poor things. We need to protect you.
• 50:57
  Thank you. We're here to protect the Mocha. Protect the women.
• 51:02
  Thank you. Protect our girls. Protect our girls. That's right. Yeah, protect our girls.
• 51:05
  Protect our girls. Dan Orlowski. All right, let's— speaking
• 51:08
  of the worst people in media, let's go over to Media Corner where,
• 51:12
  uh, we're gonna quickly just touch on Tony Romo.
• 51:15
  Yeah, this is kind of, uh, it's kind of weird,
• 51:18
  man, because I'm like, I need you to— honestly, you can sway
• 51:23
  me on this. Okay, I can be swayed. Are you feeling, are you feeling a
• 51:26
  little bit pro-Tony after his apology? It's not because of that. It's just,
• 51:30
  listen, you should never drunk drive. No one should ever drunk drive,
• 51:34
  correct? Period. We should never drunk drive, drink and drive.
• 51:38
  But like, I think everyone can say they have at one point probably done
• 51:42
  it and just haven't gone away with it. And listen, I, I'm also in
• 51:47
  certain respects a fan of— not necessarily fan, I apologize for the
• 51:50
  usage of the word— but like believe in sometimes second chances are
• 51:54
  very much warranted. Sure. So I'm like with Tony Romo because
• 51:58
  he, he's really been, for the most part, as far as I know, a fairly
• 52:03
  model citizen. Hasn't really done anything or caused problems. Piece of shit. Is he?
• 52:06
  Okay, so he's a piece of shit. So never mind, never mind. I don't want
• 52:08
  him to have his— I can be swayed right now. I'm really on the fence.
• 52:12
  Legally he's a piece of shit. Behind the scenes, like, he's just a— he's sort
• 52:16
  of a dick. Okay, but guys, like, there are dudes that get second chances who
• 52:19
  like beat their wives. Exactly. So that's So I agree with you on that front.
• 52:23
  Is he a criminal dick? Well, now yes, but yeah,
• 52:28
  but prior, um, so I, I understand what you're saying. I think this was a
• 52:31
  pretty decent statement, all things considered. He said he wasn't going to do excuses.
• 52:34
  He did give a bunch of excuses. There were a couple in there. That was—
• 52:37
  there was a lot of like, hey, just got— so you guys know, I'm,
• 52:39
  you know, I'm gonna give you a bunch of things that are gonna make you
• 52:41
  feel bad for me rather than just being like, I shouldn't have done this.
• 52:43
  My career ended early because of back injuries. I will literally—
• 52:48
  I will I will endorse for president
• 52:51
  the first person who does an apology with legitimately
• 52:56
  no excuses, like an actual no-excuse apology. Yes. I don't need
• 53:00
  your backstory about your— let's find out about your alcoholism, your substance
• 53:04
  abuse issues, your mental health issues, whatever they might be after you've done and done
• 53:07
  the thing. Apologize first, go do the work, come back,
• 53:10
  we'll talk later. I don't, you know, and so that's always a little bit
• 53:14
  like Okay, dude. Do I think it's malicious?
• 53:17
  No. I mean, at the end of the day, he made a mistake that a
• 53:21
  lot of people I love have made. I don't— I— it's a
• 53:24
  dangerous thing to do, and it's something that, you know,
• 53:28
  I think a lot of people get on their high horse about as if,
• 53:31
  you know, they or their loved ones have not done it. 100%. He happened to
• 53:34
  get caught. Luckily, no one was hurt. Yes.
• 53:38
  As far as him going back eventually to CBS,
• 53:42
  I don't think they want him. I think they have enough I think they got
• 53:45
  like their— they got their excuse. I think they have their out. I think he
• 53:49
  sort of included in his public apology like, hopefully back
• 53:52
  at CBS. Yeah, bro, I think you're done. Like, the reality
• 53:56
  is he was losing favor as a commentator after the first couple years
• 54:00
  of being a sort of media darling. Yeah.
• 54:03
  And, you know, do I think it's— do
• 54:06
  I think it's fair? I don't care, right? Like, Do— if
• 54:11
  he came back, I would not be like, I can't believe you let a drunk
• 54:14
  driver back. Like, it's the fucking NFL. Yeah, let's be real clear. Uh,
• 54:17
  that's, that's not— don't Google Ray Lewis. Yeah, they put Lawrence
• 54:21
  Taylor on TV still, and he's a, like,
• 54:24
  a— he's been accused of raping a 16-year-old. Like, sure has.
• 54:27
  So I'm not sure we need to draw the line at Tony Romo morally,
• 54:32
  but I don't think he was good enough at his job for CBS
• 54:35
  to decide to bring him back. I'm— I— they might. And I'll be—
• 54:39
  I'll be whatever about it. I will say again,
• 54:42
  I still think drunk driving is worse than consensually having sex
• 54:46
  with someone who's not your husband. But apparently the media doesn't think so. You know,
• 54:50
  I would agree with everything you just said. Listen, I do.
• 54:54
  Do I think someone should be fired for cheating on their husband and/or wife?
• 54:58
  I guess there are parameters to this. I guess. I guess. Does someone
• 55:02
  work for someone? Yeah. Or are they just in the same industry?
• 55:06
  I just— I genuinely don't think we should ever know what people are doing in
• 55:10
  their— I don't give a fuck who you've cheated on. I genuinely—
• 55:14
  we've all been cheated on. You've been cheated on. I've been cheated
• 55:18
  on. We've all been fucking cheated on. And like, the reality is
• 55:21
  I don't care. Can you do your job? Now a
• 55:25
  lot of people are going to say that there's a difference there because, oh well,
• 55:28
  she covered a little bit again. Yeah, she has
• 55:32
  a vote. You guys are talking— you guys are gonna want
• 55:35
  to really— you guys gonna want a real quickly go check out what Adam Schefter
• 55:40
  was doing with Bruce Allen before you tell me that you're really that worried about
• 55:43
  the fucking state of journalism. Yeah, let's not worry about who you're fucking at work.
• 55:46
  Yeah, you little creeps lying.
• 55:49
  You fucking creeps. Sex addicted
• 55:53
  fucks. I just don't think— I mean, I think it was a decent statement,
• 55:56
  all things considered. I'm not gonna miss— if he's back, great.
• 55:59
  If he's not back, great. Yeah, I, I— he has plenty
• 56:04
  of money. He's just like, please just go. Like, go. Is it funny though,
• 56:07
  when I think of Tony Roma, still the first thing I think of is Jessica
• 56:09
  Simpson with the jersey?
• 56:12
  Yes. Is that weird? That's the first thing I think of? Yes. How, how is
• 56:16
  that not the first thing you think of? Um, because I watched football. I did
• 56:19
  too. That's why it's the first thing I think about. The fucking Cowboys. I know.
• 56:22
  And I still think of Jessica Simpson with the number 9 pink jersey showing off
• 56:26
  the 9. I remember. I'll never, I'll never fucking forget it. Blame you for that.
• 56:30
  Like, I'm not here judging you for it. It's just not what I— that.
• 56:32
  And I also think of, it's my quarterback. Well, that's my quarterback.
• 56:36
  That's my teammate. Yeah, yeah, I'll never forget
• 56:40
  it. T.O. forever, man. First thing I think of. Um,
• 56:43
  former NFL players, media quarter number 2. Ryan Clark
• 56:48
  recently, uh, you know, uh,
• 56:50
  unceremoniously let go from ESPN. He was, uh, has signed
• 56:54
  a multi-year deal with Netflix for, um, The Pivot,
• 56:58
  his podcast, has been picked up by Netflix. Good for him. Um, the popular interview
• 57:02
  show hosted by Ryan Clark and former NFL players Channing Crowder
• 57:06
  and Fred Taylor is taking its talents to Netflix. The 2 sides struck a multi-year
• 57:10
  partnership that'll bring video episodes of the show to the platform starting September 8th,
• 57:12
  according to Boardroom. New episodes will stream exclusively on Netflix
• 57:16
  every Tuesday and Friday. Huh, that's same as— hey,
• 57:20
  we got some competition, bitches. Yeah. And the
• 57:24
  back catalog will also be there while continuing to run on YouTube as it always
• 57:27
  has. By the way, it's not an announcement, but we are going to be doing
• 57:30
  shows specifically on Tuesdays and Fridays because of Monday Night Football. Just so
• 57:34
  we're all clear about that. And then we're going to get picked up by Netflix
• 57:36
  and then we're going to be picked up by Netflix. But also Monday nights does
• 57:40
  not mean the regulars will not be getting together. We got some ideas. We might—
• 57:43
  yeah, we might be. This show itself in its current form will be Tuesdays and
• 57:47
  Fridays, but we may have more coming at you potentially on a Monday night.
• 57:50
  Um, so here's the thing.
• 57:53
  The interesting part about this, I think, is not that this got picked
• 57:57
  up. I'm not surprised. It's a very popular show. It's, it's a well-produced
• 58:01
  show. You know what's funny? I've never seen any of it. I just know of
• 58:03
  the name The Pivot. So you've never seen the clips on even— I really haven't.
• 58:06
  Okay, so it's a really like, like well-produced, glossy,
• 58:10
  beautiful show. Like, I mean, it's really well done. Um, you know,
• 58:13
  there's been plenty of times I've had conversations on that show where I'm like,
• 58:16
  oh my God, 3 guys talking, you know, it's like it gets hairy.
• 58:19
  And other times they've had exceptional stuff that I thought was really great,
• 58:23
  talking about things that other people in the NFL are simply not talking about.
• 58:26
  Um, so I think it's like a totally worthwhile show. Nice.
• 58:30
  Uh, it is the, the latest addition to a podcast library that's
• 58:34
  grown quickly over the years, but hasn't necessarily grown in influence. Um, they struck
• 58:38
  deals with Spotify Studios and The Ringer in October to carry video versions
• 58:41
  of the shows like the Bill Simmons Podcast and The Zach Lowe Show.
• 58:45
  Uh, followed by an 8-figure deal with Barstool Sports in December
• 58:49
  for Pardon My Take, Spittin' Chiclets, and The Ryan Russillo Show,
• 58:52
  along with separate arrangement with iHeartMedia. Despite that,
• 58:55
  uh, reported in June by Puck's Matthew Belloni, no video podcast
• 59:00
  has cracked Nielsen's weekly top 10, a chart Netflix otherwise tends to
• 59:03
  dominate, and that engagement numbers for the category are low according
• 59:07
  to multiple sources. Pardon My Take's Dan Big Cat Katz spoke
• 59:12
  to the uncertainty back in April when PMT was still among the shows, like the
• 59:15
  first shows testing out the podcast push. Yeah, we were kind of the tip
• 59:19
  of the spear for them, which— that's a little scary because there's a little
• 59:22
  bit of tension where people are like, well, I'm not going to watch podcasts on
• 59:25
  Netflix. I get it. I think we're going to end up in a couple of
• 59:29
  years, it's going to be very commonplace for people to consume their podcasts on Netflix,
• 59:31
  but we'll see. It's possible. So I do think that that's an interesting aspect to
• 59:35
  this and kind of what I want to talk about in Media Corner, which is
• 59:37
  like this idea of Netflix And,
• 59:41
  um, they keep expanding into these spaces, into multimedia, in these different ways.
• 59:45
  Yes. Where the fuck is the marketing? Yeah,
• 59:48
  because I'm not seeing it anywhere. Didn't know these shows were on Netflix.
• 59:51
  I did, but I only knew about it because when they were launched on Netflix.
• 59:54
  But how— here's the thing, I'm on Netflix fairly often. That's what I'm saying.
• 59:58
  I don't see them in front of me at all. I like— there's no way.
• 1:00:01
  Like, my phone knows if I've even thought about buying like
• 1:00:06
  something from Amazon. But you don't know that I would be like potentially somebody
• 1:00:10
  to target, hey, like to push this, this sports podcast.
• 1:00:14
  Yeah. But I will tell you this, I do have a slight issue with how
• 1:00:17
  this is being done. Slight issue. And by the way, slap me
• 1:00:21
  down immediately because maybe I'm, maybe I'm saying something that would be destroying our own,
• 1:00:24
  destroying our own business model. Not, and not metaphorically. You want me to
• 1:00:28
  slap you? You can, but just let me take off my glasses. Talk to me,
• 1:00:30
  your mom. Okay. It's not
• 1:00:35
  that they're bringing these shows. It's— I feel like they can bring
• 1:00:39
  in these shows. But again, I actually agree with that initial statement. I don't
• 1:00:42
  think Netflix is the place to go watch a podcast when, especially when you're still
• 1:00:46
  simulcasting it on YouTube, like, which is a free market platform.
• 1:00:49
  So like, it's weird. That's what I'm wondering. Are they still— they
• 1:00:53
  are. Is it just the backlog? So I— that I don't know, but I'm kind
• 1:00:57
  of going about it. You can't do like A chat scenario can't be really done
• 1:01:01
  on Netflix. It can only really be done on YouTube. So like, that's true.
• 1:01:03
  So there's that aspect. Like right now we got people in the chat right now
• 1:01:06
  and I find them to be just as important to this show as you and
• 1:01:09
  me talking right now. Yeah. Um, but here's what I don't like about the
• 1:01:13
  Netflix thing. Um, you're just taking an already kind of established brand,
• 1:01:16
  but in a— and you're putting it into a market where there isn't a market.
• 1:01:20
  Yeah. I feel like if you like this content and these
• 1:01:23
  people Aren't they talented enough to reinvent themselves?
• 1:01:27
  And when I say reinvent themselves, not necessarily, but like do a new show with
• 1:01:30
  a new platform for this exact platform. I'm completely
• 1:01:33
  with you. Okay, so I'm not gonna slap you. You're safe. Thank you. Because it's
• 1:01:37
  the same thought I had. It's so weird to me. Create the pivot into
• 1:01:41
  a television show. Thank you. Like, if we were to go to Netflix,
• 1:01:44
  I wouldn't say we're gonna do exactly what we're doing now on Netflix. No,
• 1:01:49
  we should— we now have a new production value. We have a budget. It's going
• 1:01:51
  to be the same exact idea and the same, you know, whatever, same people,
• 1:01:54
  whatever else, but we're changing it. We're— and now it'll still— the
• 1:01:58
  problem is it's still essentially you're turning a podcast into maybe something that's
• 1:02:01
  a little bit more high production value. We're having more clips, we're playing
• 1:02:05
  more stuff, we're having more guests, we're doing all those things. And maybe,
• 1:02:10
  you know, that is something that they will start to venture into and understanding that
• 1:02:14
  like when you buy the property or you bring them over, you, you are investing
• 1:02:17
  and turning it into more of a 100% TV show. Like,
• 1:02:21
  I remember when— that's where I think the mistake is being made. Bill Simmons
• 1:02:24
  tried to do this on HBO. Yes, he did a podcast TV
• 1:02:29
  show. It was a gorgeous studio. It was well done. He's a horrific
• 1:02:33
  interviewer. Um, and, and I should say he's a bad TV
• 1:02:36
  interviewer. Um, he was— he's fine on like audio for a specific type of
• 1:02:40
  person. It's not my style, but like he obviously was very successful for a reason
• 1:02:44
  at that space. But like on camera, he's uncomfortable. He sort
• 1:02:48
  of shrinks into the seat he's in, whatever else. Not great.
• 1:02:52
  So like when you're bringing this onto TV, I personally
• 1:02:56
  would like, just, just me being me, I would throw,
• 1:03:00
  if you put like The Pivot, right. And I
• 1:03:03
  was into The Pivot and it was just right at the top of my Netflix
• 1:03:06
  and I was getting ready for the day, I'd throw the podcast on. No problem.
• 1:03:09
  Great. Um, but like you do have to number one,
• 1:03:12
  market it, but also I agree there has to be something about it
• 1:03:16
  that is Oh, the show becomes this when it gets to Netflix.
• 1:03:19
  Yes. Um, maybe that is like a,
• 1:03:23
  like a sort of cross-promotion thing where like suddenly you have like
• 1:03:27
  there's a new person. Let's say, you know, uh, the dude
• 1:03:31
  who plays Jack Reacher is doing some new Netflix movie. Yes.
• 1:03:34
  And now like if he happens to
• 1:03:39
  be a sports fan, now he's on your show talking sports. Yes. Like something
• 1:03:42
  that sort of makes it cross-promotional and also makes it some worth fucking
• 1:03:47
  marketing. Because I just don't understand why these shows
• 1:03:51
  are just put on the platform and left to fucking die.
• 1:03:55
  I can't agree more. Can I tell you what I think is it like— I've
• 1:03:58
  always seen this show as something. I've always seen this— if we were to go
• 1:04:00
  to a larger spot like a Netflix, I'd be like, you know what this show
• 1:04:04
  needs to become? Basically like the late '90s politically incorrect show
• 1:04:08
  that Bill Maher did before he has this. Remember it? Well, it's It's very— quite
• 1:04:12
  frankly, it's very similar to the same setup that the current Bill Maher Show is.
• 1:04:15
  I just find Bill Maher horrifically insufferable now, so I can't fucking stand him.
• 1:04:18
  I would prefer— like, what I, I will say, I don't
• 1:04:22
  like when you have a guest on a show and they become
• 1:04:26
  a character on the show. No, where— oh, where they become somebody who's being
• 1:04:29
  interviewed by you. Like, for— so for
• 1:04:33
  our show, what I would want is like, we've just added in a
• 1:04:37
  3rd mic for a conversation. I hate the— I hate the thing where you're like,
• 1:04:41
  now if we're doing an interview, that's one thing. If we are bringing someone as
• 1:04:44
  a guest, like, oh my God, interview, like, and they're like— for the
• 1:04:48
  way this show is set up. But if we had a high-level budget,
• 1:04:52
  like, if we're gonna sit down and talk about college football and
• 1:04:55
  what was just happening, I'm not gonna sit there and ask Ben
• 1:05:00
  Affleck, uh, no, he's just gonna be in on the conversation
• 1:05:03
  with us. Yeah, right. Like, we're just gonna be chatting and he's gonna be in
• 1:05:06
  on the conversation. And then I would ask— but I have to ask it,
• 1:05:07
  like, Ben, how drunk were you on the Armageddon like, uh, commentary?
• 1:05:11
  No, you don't. You do not have to ask that. He has been asked that
• 1:05:14
  many times. But it's such— it's the best thing. Haven't you met him? Can't you—
• 1:05:17
  couldn't you have already asked that to his face? I was busy at the time.
• 1:05:21
  I spoke more to Matt that day. Sure. Yeah, yeah. You weren't afraid to ask
• 1:05:24
  him in person? No, I'm definitely not. I want to know this because it's the
• 1:05:28
  best commentary. Depending on the day he's having, you've— you have 2 very different answers.
• 1:05:32
  I'm not gonna lie to you, he seems— listen, I love Ben Affleck. He seems
• 1:05:35
  relatively miserable at all times. I'm gonna be like However you
• 1:05:40
  answer this, answer in Spanish. That's the most important. Dude, he has got a great,
• 1:05:43
  you know, great Spanish. Him and Matt Damon can speak pretty good Spanish. I didn't
• 1:05:47
  know that about that. Well, Matt learned— Matt's an old friend. He learned it from
• 1:05:50
  his wife. Oh really? For and from. Yeah, his wife is like— I didn't
• 1:05:54
  know that. Uh, also, I don't know, Colombian or one of South American in some
• 1:05:58
  capacity. Look at that. Pay attention to the wives, dude. I apologize, she wasn't
• 1:06:02
  there. I met Matt Damon. Well, if she had been there, you would have noticed.
• 1:06:06
  And I would have. I would have spoken to her and been like, hello,
• 1:06:08
  pleasure to meet you, Mrs. Damon, you gorgeous creature.
• 1:06:12
  Or should I say Mr.— I don't know her old last name. But yeah,
• 1:06:15
  so, uh, anyways, the moral of the story is, uh, submit your ideas for
• 1:06:19
  when Cody and I get picked up by a platform that is inevitably going to
• 1:06:22
  not market us enough, and then we're going to have to create a whole new
• 1:06:24
  situation on how to— or we just keep blowing this thing up until this turns
• 1:06:28
  into the Regulars Network. And of course, that is That's ideal. Ultimate dream. That is
• 1:06:31
  ideal. We become our own media. That is the real goal. Which,
• 1:06:35
  by the way, big things have small beginnings. I learned that from Prometheus.
• 1:06:39
  Yes, a Prometheus reference on this show. I don't
• 1:06:42
  even like that movie. I don't— I don't think I've ever seen it.
• 1:06:46
  You're not missing it. Okay, you know what,
• 1:06:48
  let's take a turn into Pop Culture Corner because I
• 1:06:52
  have a theory to debut. Me too. I was more hurt by
• 1:06:56
  Tim Curry's death in Dolly Parton Pardon. What say you? No, I mean,
• 1:06:59
  they both sucked. Like, I'm sort of a— the only thing that was worse
• 1:07:03
  about Dolly's, which we talked about this with Mocha beforehand, is like, like Dolly was
• 1:07:07
  a lot more active in the scene and, uh, just sort
• 1:07:11
  of in the zeitgeist more, so it felt like a more immediate loss.
• 1:07:14
  But did she ever say anticipation?
• 1:07:19
  She honestly might have. She might have. Never mind, I take back everything.
• 1:07:22
  Dolly's the best. Dolly could do everything. Um,
• 1:07:25
  rest in peace to them. Take another 80-year-old, for the love of God, that isn't
• 1:07:29
  someone we love. Jesus Christ, he must suffer first.
• 1:07:33
  That's fine. Um, I watched
• 1:07:37
  the— this is not going to be about Love Island. Yeah, but I did watch
• 1:07:42
  the Love Island, uh, reunion last night.
• 1:07:45
  Interesting. See, I've only watched a couple of episodes of Love Island, and I don't
• 1:07:48
  entirely get the appeal to this point,
• 1:07:52
  honestly. Like, I used to be forced— my ex-wife used to make me watch The
• 1:07:55
  Bachelor and Bachelorette, and I didn't understand that appeal either. Um, that's fine.
• 1:07:59
  That's not what this is about. Okay. It's not about whether it appeals to you.
• 1:08:01
  Okay. Thank you. Right. I don't get it. Yeah. So I, I don't care anybody's
• 1:08:05
  thoughts about Love Island. You don't have to have thoughts about them. Talk to me.
• 1:08:08
  Really? I'm fucking listening. You can or you can't. But either way, um,
• 1:08:11
  I have a theory about the casting issues around Love
• 1:08:15
  Island and these reality shows. And it is a new issue
• 1:08:20
  as of the social media age. So what I'm gonna
• 1:08:24
  do is I'm gonna have Mocha play a clip that was aired on the Love
• 1:08:28
  Island podcast last night. Okay. Not podcast, the Love
• 1:08:31
  Island— we're— I'm too heavy on podcasts— on the Love Island reunion last
• 1:08:35
  night. And then I want to use it sort of as just a little bit
• 1:08:38
  of context for the conversation we're about to have. Okay, Mocha, will you play that
• 1:08:42
  clip? Chances of being winners.
• 1:08:46
  For real. How are you feeling? I feel good.
• 1:08:50
  You guys spend the night together last night? No, we did not. Yeah, it was
• 1:08:53
  just so late. It was so late. Like, I'm not gonna be fun.
• 1:08:57
  I will not be my best self if I'm with another right now.
• 1:09:01
  So, but tonight. But tonight. Yeah. Tonight. Yeah.
• 1:09:05
  What was your first night like?
• 1:09:09
  No, we ate french fries. I got some french fries.
• 1:09:13
  We had the full course meal. Actually,
• 1:09:17
  yeah, we did. We had the full takeaway. Update me on where you guys stand
• 1:09:22
  and how you're moving forward into the world. We've definitely talked about our future and,
• 1:09:25
  you know, where we're headed and what we have planned. We want to date outside
• 1:09:29
  the villa, have a new experience, like start over.
• 1:09:33
  Okay. The fuck? Here's the thing.
• 1:09:38
  This is genuinely not meant to be
• 1:09:42
  mean to any of these people. Okay. I promise you. I'm listening.
• 1:09:46
  There is an epidemic among reality
• 1:09:50
  stars of this age group between 20 and 30 years old
• 1:09:53
  of being criminally boring. Yeah.
• 1:09:57
  And that is probably a
• 1:10:00
  great sign that these people are actually decent human
• 1:10:03
  beings in real life. Oh, to be quite honest,
• 1:10:08
  I— we have gotten so far away from
• 1:10:11
  what reality TV is meant to be, which is like the most
• 1:10:16
  bombastic of among us being cast onto television
• 1:10:20
  and behaving in ways we never would behave. Because why would we
• 1:10:23
  want people to act like we do in real life on reality?
• 1:10:26
  Well, that's not why we're watching it, right? But I think what has happened is
• 1:10:29
  this. So in that episode, you see them
• 1:10:33
  all get their phones for the first time. So they have none of it— genuinely,
• 1:10:36
  these people have not seen their phones in like, like, you know,
• 1:10:40
  a month and a half. They get their phones and they have gone from
• 1:10:44
  however many followers on Instagram to 1.5 million
• 1:10:48
  followers, which is like fucking nuts, right? Like, that's a crazy experience. Crazy shit.
• 1:10:52
  Yeah. And you know, your inbox is probably batshit insane.
• 1:10:55
  Horrifying. But then, so, and they're freaking out. They're obviously so excited,
• 1:10:59
  as they should be. That— I'm not telling anybody you shouldn't be so excited about
• 1:11:02
  having gotten a following. But what you heard a lot of the girls say in
• 1:11:05
  the clip was, oh, like, I was at 4,000 followers,
• 1:11:09
  I was at 5,000 followers, and, and now I'm at 1.5 or 1.1 million.
• 1:11:14
  Holy shit, right? And here's the thing. For years,
• 1:11:18
  from the millennial into Gen Z transition of reality stars,
• 1:11:22
  specifically on dating shows, but these like 20-somethings on reality TV. The thing
• 1:11:26
  was like everybody just like— the, the conversation was like these people
• 1:11:30
  are trying to use this to become famous and be— to become social media stars,
• 1:11:33
  become influencers, whatever it might be. We have transitioned in the
• 1:11:37
  last couple of years into the influencer era of social media. Yeah.
• 1:11:40
  Which means that everybody in that age group understands how
• 1:11:44
  to use social media and understands how to make it work for them to like
• 1:11:47
  become Uh, somebody who is followed and builds a following on the internet.
• 1:11:51
  Here's the issue. The shows are still casting on like people
• 1:11:56
  with no following to be on these shows. Very cute.
• 1:11:59
  Love that. Oh my God, you're going to change someone's life overnight,
• 1:12:02
  whatever. But what you're doing is in
• 1:12:06
  this era, we have
• 1:12:09
  the access to be able to build a following on social media so
• 1:12:13
  easily that Essentially, if somebody hasn't built a following on
• 1:12:16
  social media that is true— that wants
• 1:12:20
  a following on social media, it's because they're not interesting enough. Oh Jesus,
• 1:12:24
  I'm trying, man. But you had what,
• 1:12:27
  21,000 followers on Instagram, right? Yeah, it's nothing impressive.
• 1:12:31
  And you've not tried. You really haven't. Haven't I? No,
• 1:12:35
  we literally had a conversation about it a month ago where you're like, I've barely
• 1:12:37
  ever taken my Instagram seriously until like now. Well, in the last year I've taken
• 1:12:41
  it seriously. Have you? Have I not? No. What am I doing wrong? Oh my
• 1:12:45
  God. We'll have another conversation. You want to run my Instagram? Gen Z
• 1:12:49
  knows how to take Instagram seriously. How do I do this Instagram thing? Mocha,
• 1:12:51
  teach me. Let me finish my thing, because what
• 1:12:55
  I'm saying here is that, like, these people, if they were actually compelling,
• 1:12:59
  authentic, interesting people on the internet or like not authentic,
• 1:13:02
  but just completely inauthentic but fucking hilarious or whatever it may be, if they were,
• 1:13:05
  for whatever reason, like interesting in the
• 1:13:09
  way that they need to be in order for them to be cast on reality
• 1:13:13
  TV. They'd have internet followings. That didn't used to be the case. For millennials,
• 1:13:17
  like, there was a bunch of fucking rogue, like, crazy people out there who didn't
• 1:13:20
  know how to use the internet and didn't care because it wasn't like the center
• 1:13:23
  of— they didn't have— social media wasn't the center of the universe. Social media is
• 1:13:27
  now the center of the universe. If you are anywhere between 21 and 29 years
• 1:13:30
  old and you don't have more than 4,000 or 5,000 followers, it's because you either
• 1:13:34
  don't want them or you do want them and you're bad at it. Now,
• 1:13:37
  if you do want them and you're bad at it, we should not be casting
• 1:13:40
  you on fucking reality television. You're boring.
• 1:13:45
  Like, or you don't know how to build your
• 1:13:49
  brand. And then again, you're— that means you're— that's going to be— it's
• 1:13:54
  going to be seen and felt in your, in your television.
• 1:13:57
  What we need to do is like start— what casting needs to
• 1:14:01
  do is look at these entire groups and be like, who has
• 1:14:04
  a— not isn't already a successful influencer,
• 1:14:08
  but is compelling enough as an internet presence that they've
• 1:14:12
  been able to accumulate 20, 30, 40, 50, 100,000 followers
• 1:14:16
  on a platform or across platforms? Clearly people are engaging
• 1:14:19
  with them enough. Clearly they're like compelling and charismatic enough to build
• 1:14:24
  a decent following where people are interested. Because I
• 1:14:27
  can tell you right now, the girls who had 4,000 or 5,000 followers on Instagram
• 1:14:32
  before they entered into Love Island wanted
• 1:14:35
  more followers. They just weren't getting them.
• 1:14:39
  Red fucking flag in this day and age. Not a red flag
• 1:14:43
  for them as human beings, probably just means they're regular wonderful people that are
• 1:14:47
  just not that like compelling. But like, we're casting for
• 1:14:51
  reality TV. We used to have The Real World, Road Rules. These people
• 1:14:55
  were insane. They weren't normal. They weren't the fuck— they were not people who were
• 1:14:58
  like afraid to be the bad guy on TV. Do we remember the Jersey fucking
• 1:15:01
  Shore? The Jersey sure was going to be my next example.
• 1:15:05
  Pauly D, not a good person, charismatic,
• 1:15:09
  interesting. Mike Sorrentino went to prison, love that for us.
• 1:15:14
  Vinnie, JWoww, Snooki, these people did not have their shit together
• 1:15:18
  and they were not objectively likable. They were charismatic, crazy people, and that was
• 1:15:22
  the whole point. Those people would always
• 1:15:25
  have gotten famous on the internet because they're insane.
• 1:15:28
  What we need— like, everybody is so obsessed on these shows with
• 1:15:32
  coming across as like good, decent people because Gen Z has a fucking purity,
• 1:15:36
  a puritanical fucking idea of how to behave. Like,
• 1:15:39
  they're all little fucking Puritans. They're all like, oh,
• 1:15:43
  you did that? Oh my God, wait, hold on, you, you kissed him on
• 1:15:47
  the first date? I'm not fucking kidding. They're a bunch of— they're a bunch of
• 1:15:50
  boomers. Oh Jesus Christ, they're crazy.
• 1:15:53
  And they're also The— I've never heard this on the history of—
• 1:15:57
  in the history of dating shows, I've not— never heard the word lustful.
• 1:16:01
  What? They were accusing each other of being lustful. It's called Love Island.
• 1:16:04
  Don't they all fuck each other? But you can't be too lustful. But aren't they
• 1:16:07
  fucking each other? Yes. What exactly? Huh?
• 1:16:11
  These people are fucking idiots. And, and this is the problem,
• 1:16:14
  like, they're not— none— they all want to be perceived as
• 1:16:18
  something that they're not, but they're trying really hard Casting producers, I'm begging
• 1:16:22
  you, go and find some 23-year-old
• 1:16:27
  who's got like 45,000 to 100,000 followers on Instagram,
• 1:16:32
  who's like clearly got it, just needs a little more exposure.
• 1:16:35
  Make sure they're just this side of, of Hinged
• 1:16:40
  and start casting these people. Okay, please. All right,
• 1:16:43
  because we— Mocha, have you ever seen an old-school
• 1:16:47
  reality show like the early 2000s, mid-2000s reality shows? Shit was crazy back
• 1:16:51
  in the day. My, my favorite one was like, uh, the one with Tila Tequila.
• 1:16:55
  Yes, I genuinely watched that show. Yes, where she was like,
• 1:16:59
  she was dating men and women. Okay, see, I, I do remember that show,
• 1:17:02
  but I like remember like Rock of Love, Flavor of Love,
• 1:17:06
  the same thing, all those batshit shows. It was the same. The VH1.
• 1:17:11
  And VH1 had a fucking run, dude. They were nuts.
• 1:17:15
  They just They ran those shows the right— I think it's the showrunners,
• 1:17:19
  honestly. Yeah, no, no, it's the— it's, it's— they were sociopaths. It's who
• 1:17:23
  they're casting. It's who they're casting. They're— it's who they're casting. These people
• 1:17:27
  are like— they're batshit. Did you— the clip was like, no.
• 1:17:31
  Oh yeah, it was boring as shit. But also I couldn't stop looking like,
• 1:17:34
  why are all these fuckboys so fucking boring and lazy? Like, they're so— who wants
• 1:17:38
  to sleep with these dudes? So— because they're all so boring. But they're—
• 1:17:41
  I mean, yeah, they're good looking, but are they even that good looking? I don't
• 1:17:44
  know. Jesus Christ, I, I have different sensibilities. It's hard for me
• 1:17:48
  to tell anymore because they're all so much younger than us now. Although one of
• 1:17:51
  the guys was 30. Really? Yeah, they all looked like they were fucking 12,
• 1:17:54
  dude. I know. And so like, but I, I just miss like,
• 1:17:57
  if we wanted to see regular people just date,
• 1:18:02
  like, I'll just go to— I'll just, I'll go
• 1:18:06
  to Nobu. Like, I'll just go to Nobu. Yeah, I can find plenty of boring
• 1:18:10
  fucks at Nobu. Yeah. That's where, that's where all like the people are like,
• 1:18:14
  I'm going to Nobu. I'll go there. And you get there, it's, it's, it's— I'll
• 1:18:17
  go to Soho House and watch, you know. Oh, fuck all of you.
• 1:18:21
  Fuck all of you. There is one Soho House I do dig. Which one?
• 1:18:23
  But the rest of you, fuck all of you. Which is the good Soho House?
• 1:18:25
  The Malibu one is fucking killer. I have— it's the only one. I don't think
• 1:18:28
  I've been to the Malibu one. The Malibu one is the only one. The Malibu
• 1:18:32
  Soho House. But we just shit on Malibu Nobu.
• 1:18:35
  That's more of a Nobu, and they're in the same park, and it's in the
• 1:18:38
  same parking lot. Fuck. Also have— never mind, they're never gonna accept me
• 1:18:42
  anyways. No, well, we get enough money, we'll be accepted
• 1:18:47
  wherever we want. Good point. And we're bringing Mocha with us. That's right,
• 1:18:50
  Mocha. We're gonna make you into a millennial. Dude, you're gonna be a fucking legend,
• 1:18:53
  bro. But like, yeah, there's— it's just, I,
• 1:18:57
  I don't know, there's a distinct lack of like— I,
• 1:19:01
  I hate to say it, but anybody under the age of 30 right now who
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  doesn't have more than like 10,000 followers on the internet,
• 1:19:08
  it's because they don't want them. And they're not like— and, or it's because they
• 1:19:12
  don't want them or they can't get them. And neither one is a good sign.
• 1:19:15
  Don't— we used to not cast people who wanted clout
• 1:19:19
  because the clout was like— it was like, no, you want interesting— no, you need—
• 1:19:22
  these people need to want clout. And they need to be fair. Not only for
• 1:19:26
  reality TV, absolutely. But they need to— if they're gonna want it, they need to
• 1:19:29
  be good at it. Because wanting it and not being able to to build it
• 1:19:32
  is a bad sign for how good of a reality star you're gonna be.
• 1:19:35
  I would agree. I don't mind that you want it. In fact, I, I want
• 1:19:39
  to know that you want it. But also, if, if you only have 4,000 followers
• 1:19:42
  and you've been modeling for 4 years and you've been trying to do this for
• 1:19:45
  years and it's not working, maybe you're not meant for reality TV. That's just what
• 1:19:49
  I'm saying, you know. I'm not gonna sit here and disagree with you. I— all
• 1:19:52
  I learned in this conversation is I'm boring and I need you to take over
• 1:19:55
  my social media. Are you a 24-year-old who grew up knowing that you had to
• 1:19:58
  build— like, that you wanted to build an Instagram? Nope, I'm a Divorced bald 39-year-old.
• 1:20:02
  This is simply not about you. I just can't— I'm sorry, I'm egotistical
• 1:20:06
  enough to make it all about fucking me, and that's what this
• 1:20:09
  is now. Your following is better than all of these
• 1:20:13
  kids before fucking— before the show, which is not a great sign
• 1:20:16
  for them. I don't have boobs. Exactly. I did when I was younger, but you
• 1:20:20
  have started to post the thirst traps. I'm, I'm sneaking them in. But here's
• 1:20:24
  the thing, I don't really get I don't get— I don't get me.
• 1:20:28
  So I, I don't get— you don't get your appeal? I don't get— I don't
• 1:20:31
  get it. So I don't really know. I don't get my appeal. So I don't
• 1:20:35
  really know what the right things are. Please, listeners that are willing to help
• 1:20:39
  me, what, what would be a thirst trap for me? No. Oh my God,
• 1:20:43
  usually the next thirst trap you post, you're like, what's the best part of this
• 1:20:46
  thirst trap? Yeah, seriously, I'm crowdsourcing. I don't understand this.
• 1:20:50
  Well, but you did recently admit that you know about The, the— I know that.
• 1:20:54
  I feel good about that one, right? That's like— that, that barely counts.
• 1:20:58
  No, it does. That's thirst trapping. That is? Yes. I'm listening.
• 1:21:01
  Teach me more. That's thirst trapping. So like, the next time you're in
• 1:21:05
  a suit and you can like selfie out in a suit,
• 1:21:08
  little bit of the sleeve on each, and you can like really fucking like
• 1:21:13
  schmooze the camera. I'll tell you this, I never wanted to get tattoos on my
• 1:21:15
  hands, but like I have considered like at one point maybe I do extend one
• 1:21:19
  of them to the the hands, because I do know people in a suit would
• 1:21:21
  have a tattoo on the hand. It's a— we got questions. Hey,
• 1:21:25
  if you, if you need more to tattoo onto your body, the hands are available.
• 1:21:28
  Well, it's one of the last places I would do. I would do one hand.
• 1:21:31
  You're not willing to go up the neck? No, I don't want to do neck.
• 1:21:33
  I feel like that'd be a trashy— I've been, I've been trying to get Chris
• 1:21:36
  to go up the neck. Chris would look fucking hot with a fucking— I know,
• 1:21:40
  with the fucking hair that he's got and shit. Like, that's not fair. He could
• 1:21:43
  pull that off. He's considered it. I would look like like white trash. He would
• 1:21:46
  potentially look like a cholo, but yeah, I would look like pure white trash if
• 1:21:50
  I did that, and I don't want to look like white trash. I'm trying to
• 1:21:52
  look like classy white trash. Classy? Like, what's the— what's a step
• 1:21:57
  lower than trash? Recyclables? Yes, I want to look recyclable.
• 1:22:03
  Oh boy, ladies, does he look recyclable to
• 1:22:07
  you guys? Am I recyclable enough to you? Let us know what you want to
• 1:22:09
  see thirst trap-wise.
• 1:22:14
  Anyways, uh, is that it for the show? I think it is. I think we
• 1:22:18
  did it. Well, we couldn't get to Kurt Schilling, but as always, like, share,
• 1:22:21
  and subscribe. We are The Regulars. We'll be back here on Friday. Very excited to
• 1:22:24
  be back on Friday. Hopefully the fucking— and we will be moving shortly,
• 1:22:28
  not next week but the week after, to Tuesday-Thursdays. Absolutely. So we're
• 1:22:31
  gonna have our final Monday show next week, and then we're to Tuesday-Thursdays for the
• 1:22:35
  rest of the NFL season because Monday Night Football is Monday Night Football. Absolutely.
• 1:22:38
  And by the way, this is growing. Since the last time we were here on
• 1:22:40
  Friday, we were talking about how we had 760 followers. We are now at 829
• 1:22:44
  followers. We need to get to that 1,000 mark, man. Let's go. Our goal is
• 1:22:48
  to get to 1,000. The moment we get to 1,000, we're planning to do some
• 1:22:51
  really cool new things. Yeah, uh, adding some new kind of maybe some shows,
• 1:22:56
  maybe some extra little features for you guys. I know you guys keep asking how
• 1:22:59
  you can support the show, and that will be a good way to be able
• 1:23:01
  to do it once we are at that point. So, but right now, until then,
• 1:23:04
  like, share, and subscribe. Dude, share it with anybody. Send a clip to anyone you
• 1:23:08
  think might dig this, because every little retweet, every little repost,
• 1:23:12
  believe it or not, it fucking helps. Yeah, so many people are randomly like,
• 1:23:14
  wait, who are these people? And we're like, I don't know, but watch us,
• 1:23:18
  please. Yeah, so please check us out. Like, share, and subscribe. We'll be back on
• 1:23:22
  Friday. And listen, I'm sorry Kurt Schilling keeps getting off the hook,
• 1:23:26
  but at one point he'll hear us say, fuck you, Kurt Schilling. He hears
• 1:23:30
  us say it every week. Fuck you, Kurt Schilling.