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Ep. 235: Sex, Guns, and Bluegrass with Dave Simonett · The MeatEater Podcast

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  Speaker 1: by Dave Seminette. You prefer Seminett, I prefer Siminette. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: who are many among many other things? You have your
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  Speaker 1: own you have your own solo stuff. Then you have
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  Speaker 1: your kind of solo stuff called dead Man Winner, and
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  Speaker 1: then you have you're not nearly as solo stuff Undertrampled
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  Speaker 1: by Turtles. Yeah about sums it up? Yeah, let's say
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  Speaker 1: you did it. You were gonna sum it up. How
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  Speaker 1: do you like when you're like sitting there talking to someone,
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  Speaker 1: They're like, what do you do? Yeah? I mean I
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  Speaker 1: I guess I would just say that I'm a songwriter,
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  Speaker 1: and then I have those different vehicles for doing it,
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  Speaker 1: you know. But Trampled by Turtles is, you know, my
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  Speaker 1: main gig, That's what I spend most of my time with.
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  Speaker 1: And then um, you know, all of us in that
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  Speaker 1: band have other other side projects, are other ways to
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  Speaker 1: uh to do whatever we do. So we give each
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  Speaker 1: other time to do this, and it gives me time
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  Speaker 1: to make music with other people and music on my own. Um,
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  Speaker 1: but most of it's trampled by turtles. I got a
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  Speaker 1: cautionary tale for you. Okay, there has nothing to do
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  Speaker 1: with what we're talking about right now. Well, I just
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  Speaker 1: wanted to do that intro, and then we're gonna do
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  Speaker 1: a couple of things and then we'll come back. Um,
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about your fishing trip this weekend and
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  Speaker 1: like why you're in talent and stuff. I was at
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  Speaker 1: the gym there to day and there's this elderly woman
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  Speaker 1: there you outlifted. I already heard the story, which is
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  Speaker 1: why I'm laughing. The greatest story in the world. It's
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  Speaker 1: a great story. She's uh, she works her ass off
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  Speaker 1: this gym, and I heard her complaining, overheard her complaining
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  Speaker 1: to her trainer. She said, um, she goes, you know,
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  Speaker 1: men have gotten so sedentary, and she says, do you
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  Speaker 1: know there are men who cannot carry a sack of fertilizer?
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  Speaker 1: And then she goes, you need to know this, and
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  Speaker 1: then she said there are men with no toolkit. So
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  Speaker 1: it's like, watch out right. If you're a dude, that's
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  Speaker 1: this could happen to you that you find yourself incapable
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  Speaker 1: of carrying sacks fertilizer. I wanted to break in and
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  Speaker 1: be like, well, how big if it's like a hunter
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  Speaker 1: pounds sack? I mean you're being harsh, twenty pound sack?
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  Speaker 1: I mean come on? Yeah, oh man, that's great. You're
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  Speaker 1: gonna show up to your next um tinder date and
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  Speaker 1: there's just gonna be a sack of fertilizer next to
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  Speaker 1: the front door every time I walk in that Jim,
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  Speaker 1: I'm coming in there with a sack of fertilizer tool kit,
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  Speaker 1: one on each shoulder. Um uh else on top about
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  Speaker 1: you're honest, you wanted to update us on your how
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  Speaker 1: do you spell your dog's name? Am I n g
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  Speaker 1: U S? I want to hear about what's going on
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  Speaker 1: with you and this dog and the raccoons. Yeah, well,
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  Speaker 1: our buddy finally got some raccoons. It's been tough raccoon trapping, um,
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  Speaker 1: even for somebody that had a whole bunch of raccoons
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  Speaker 1: on his place, but he finally got one. The first
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  Speaker 1: one though, it didn't turn out very well for him.
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  Speaker 1: I thought I had been advised that you could leave
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  Speaker 1: a raccoon in a trap for a day or so.
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  Speaker 1: Clarify that you're talking about a live trap. Live trap, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: have a heart basically just a long rectangular box with
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  Speaker 1: a name like have heart. Yeah, and uh so, anyways,
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  Speaker 1: this first raccoon kind of small, smallest raccoon. By the
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  Speaker 1: time I got to him, he had perished, Or we
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  Speaker 1: should clarify. The guy that's catching the raccoons is has
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  Speaker 1: a does a lot of water foul nesting stuff on
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  Speaker 1: his place, and is controlling rack wounds. He believes that
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  Speaker 1: this will increase waterfowl reproduction. That's right, which by no
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  Speaker 1: means like makes any better what I'm doing to these raccoons.
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  Speaker 1: It's real, like, like I'm honestly moral dilemma, but it
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  Speaker 1: definitely tugs at my heart. Both directions doing like training
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  Speaker 1: mingus with these live raccoons, Well, this one was dead.
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  Speaker 1: So with the dead one, we did a little trail
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  Speaker 1: fifty yards or so, and then put the dead one
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  Speaker 1: up in a tree. Let mngus follow it. He went
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  Speaker 1: to the tree, saw the raccoon, barked at it, for
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  Speaker 1: fifteen minutes. We urged him on. The girls were there,
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  Speaker 1: my kids seven to nine, and uh, they cheered him on.
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  Speaker 1: He did well. I got a call the next morning
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  Speaker 1: another cone in the trap, so I went and picked
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  Speaker 1: it up. The next evening we did the same thing,
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  Speaker 1: except now we had a live raccoon in a trap,
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  Speaker 1: which we and we dragged the whole trap up a
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  Speaker 1: different trail, hung it up in the tree, and then
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  Speaker 1: repeated the process. I wanted to slip the raccoon run
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  Speaker 1: off and then he can track the raccoon well, because
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  Speaker 1: this is only his second time with the raccoon, right,
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  Speaker 1: so he's just we're just trying to make the connection
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  Speaker 1: and make sure that there is that connection. So we
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  Speaker 1: actually started with that raccoon in the trap on the
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  Speaker 1: ground at the base of the tree, and he sat
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  Speaker 1: there and barked and she snarled back and forth for
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  Speaker 1: five minutes, and then I hoisted it into the tree
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  Speaker 1: and we can we continued. So he's supposed to like
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  Speaker 1: get the idea that this animal is going to go
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  Speaker 1: to a tree and then go up into a tree.
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  Speaker 1: So the next morning we went out to Jake's farm
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  Speaker 1: and UH cut the raccoon loose. Why don't you go
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  Speaker 1: wear the hell out there? Just because he needed a
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  Speaker 1: big open field with a you know, with some big
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  Speaker 1: trees nearby. She drove all that way to do that. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not can't do it in your backyard?
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  Speaker 1: Is like the world's divided into Jake's farm in my backyard.
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  Speaker 1: I know, but I mean just I don't know trying
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  Speaker 1: to your farm, and I don't everything else is my backyard.
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  Speaker 1: Think of a good spot around here that that would
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  Speaker 1: have been good for It's just a perfect setup. It's
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  Speaker 1: a dog safety thing too. Oh thousand places, you got
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  Speaker 1: one off the top of your head, just okay, okay,
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  Speaker 1: all fishing access sites, okay, well they might not have
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  Speaker 1: a nice mode field where you can like see where
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  Speaker 1: the raccoon is running right and so you can sort
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  Speaker 1: of control the situation. Okay, remember where we did where
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  Speaker 1: we did our company river access site clean up. I
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  Speaker 1: didn't make it to that played hooky. Oh yeah he went,
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  Speaker 1: Uh we had a company clean up where the whole
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  Speaker 1: damn company showed up to clean up a river access
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  Speaker 1: site and yeah, just decided to fish that day. I
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  Speaker 1: think that's bad fishing. Oh, dude. Al Right, So anyways,
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  Speaker 1: you drive hours away, one hour exactly. It's pretty common
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  Speaker 1: here in Montana to go for an hour long drive. Anyways,
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  Speaker 1: we started off with the raccoon in the trap again
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  Speaker 1: mingus they're barking at it, and we let the raccoon run,
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  Speaker 1: and we thought it was just gonna run across the
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  Speaker 1: field and right up into this cottonwood. You know, that's
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  Speaker 1: what we're expecting. But we didn't see in our mind's
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  Speaker 1: eye or just the way we were proceeding the place
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  Speaker 1: in the situation. We didn't see this, like the part
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  Speaker 1: that hadn't been cut yet, just all this tall grass
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  Speaker 1: where there's like a ditch running through it and whatever
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  Speaker 1: in the middle of this field, you know what I'm
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  Speaker 1: talking about, basically right there in front of the house.
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  Speaker 1: And uh so, the raccoons going towards the tree, and
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  Speaker 1: then besides, the hookah left into the grass is gonna
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  Speaker 1: get away. So we just cut Mangles loose at that point,
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  Speaker 1: and he did a good job, caught right up to it,
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  Speaker 1: and Jake was happy because he didn't really bark on
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  Speaker 1: the trail much at all. He only started barking once
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  Speaker 1: he got face to face with it, and so we
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  Speaker 1: repeated that maybe three times they'd be face to face
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  Speaker 1: for I don't know, a couple three minutes. We pulled
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  Speaker 1: Mangus off, let the raccoon get out, you know, three
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  Speaker 1: or four minutes, cut Ngus loose again and take them
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  Speaker 1: a little bit to figure out which way it went,
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  Speaker 1: because again in grass it is tall and thick, you
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  Speaker 1: can't see which way it went. And um, at one
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  Speaker 1: point the raccoon was actually attached to Mingus's head, which,
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  Speaker 1: as as a the dog owner, it definitely kind of
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  Speaker 1: scares you a little bit. You know, You're like, is
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  Speaker 1: that okay? And again like I'm lucky to have a
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  Speaker 1: good mentor, and he's like, yeah, it's all good. Like
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  Speaker 1: if it comes to it, your dog will kill that raccoon. Um,
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  Speaker 1: you have a raccoon's killed dogs, they do. He's the
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  Speaker 1: only thing he was worried about, which I've heard often
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  Speaker 1: is the deep water. Yeah, like there's deep water nearby,
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  Speaker 1: then they can actually get on the head like that
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  Speaker 1: and drown a dog. M Um. So eventually the raccoon
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  Speaker 1: did tree took Mingus a little bit, but eventually he
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  Speaker 1: got that he got to that tree and actually tried
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  Speaker 1: to climb the tree. Um came back to the tree
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  Speaker 1: multiple times, but never just sat there and barked at
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  Speaker 1: the tree, which would be what they called tree right,
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  Speaker 1: So we could see the raccoon in the tree, and
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  Speaker 1: he went around it a few times smelling it, but
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  Speaker 1: eventually was like, I can't put two and two together
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  Speaker 1: that that's where the raccoon is. Now I've lost its
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  Speaker 1: trail and he's sort of like faded away. Then we
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  Speaker 1: shot the raccoon out of the tree and was interesting
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  Speaker 1: as I thought there would be this big like dead
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  Speaker 1: raccoon mingus on top of it, just craziness, and there wasn't.
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  Speaker 1: He like went up to it, saw that it was dead,
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  Speaker 1: marked like two more times, and then pretty much turned
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  Speaker 1: around and was like, all right, what are we doing now?
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  Speaker 1: Once the raccoon was Dad is like no interest because
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  Speaker 1: Jake doesn't want raccoons either. What do you mean he
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  Speaker 1: doesn't want a lot of raccoons on its play now?
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  Speaker 1: He doesn't want toy we try to trap him there first.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, so he's doing good. It's been fun. Uh
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  Speaker 1: when you get all when this dog is a great
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  Speaker 1: raccoon hunter and you start what do you can do?
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  Speaker 1: With all your raccoon hides because they're only worth a
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  Speaker 1: few bucks a piece. Right now, I didn't figure out
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  Speaker 1: what I'm gonna make out of him and then give
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  Speaker 1: everybody raccoon hats for Christmas. You're gonna go against try
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  Speaker 1: to go up against me and seth as the providers
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  Speaker 1: of fur garments around the office totally perhaps, like what
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  Speaker 1: are these raccoon heads instead? Um, I'm guessing there's gonna
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  Speaker 1: be quite a few. They get treated and don't get shot.
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  Speaker 1: You wanna watch how easily I could bring something full circle,
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  Speaker 1: But I'm not going to yet. Uh watch this Dave.
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  Speaker 1: Our guest was born in Germany, and you know what
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  Speaker 1: they do in Germany when they're training dogs. What they
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  Speaker 1: used to do is they would, uh make a raccoon
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  Speaker 1: go into a like a barrel or a cage. In Germany,
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  Speaker 1: I think this this outfit, this like used to be
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  Speaker 1: a way you test the metal of a dog. Is
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  Speaker 1: you'd have to have a dog and a raccoon like
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  Speaker 1: German wire hairs and whatnot. You make the dog and
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  Speaker 1: the raccoon fight it to the death in an enclosed area.
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  Speaker 1: It's like UFC for hunting. They'd fight it they'd fight
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  Speaker 1: to the death inside of thing, and that was like
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  Speaker 1: a thing. You'd go get a raccoon and your dog
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  Speaker 1: wasn't like a real dog until you until it did that.
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  Speaker 1: But there's a certain brutality to it. Man, Like you've
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  Speaker 1: crossed over into a really dangerous territory with what you're
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  Speaker 1: up to right now. Yes, I don't know if it's dangerous,
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  Speaker 1: but it's just crossed into like some questionable stuff. I feel.
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  Speaker 1: What's questionable about it? I just I think it's questionable
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  Speaker 1: with dealing with the with the live raccoons. I just
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  Speaker 1: feel like you could rile up someone's sensitivities. Oh, no
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  Speaker 1: doubt about it. The the I mean just the conversations
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  Speaker 1: that have been going on in my house over the
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  Speaker 1: last three days while this all has been going on.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting too with how the kids reacted
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  Speaker 1: differently between the when we train with the dead coon
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  Speaker 1: and then the live one. The dead one like gloves off,
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  Speaker 1: just like yeah, mants get in there and good boy,
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  Speaker 1: good boy, this that and the other, and then when
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  Speaker 1: it was alive, Kim it's like, well, we've named her
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  Speaker 1: be At, can we try feeding her? And I'm like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you can. But just remember Beatrice's life is, she's got
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  Speaker 1: about twelve more hours, you know. And uh so it
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  Speaker 1: was interesting seeing that they still cheered him on when
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  Speaker 1: we did the training with with the coon in the trap,
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  Speaker 1: but they definitely weren't quite like just like yeah in there,
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  Speaker 1: you know, they started to make a connection with that raccoon.
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  Speaker 1: It was interesting. My wife, she only joined in on
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  Speaker 1: the first session. Second session, She's like, nah, I had
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  Speaker 1: enough of that. I went out coon. I went out
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  Speaker 1: running raccoons a bit growing up, and I thought it
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  Speaker 1: was pretty interesting. But it was all at night, so
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  Speaker 1: it was hard to see what was going on. But
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  Speaker 1: I enjoyed going out with certain guys. This dude Carl
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  Speaker 1: I used to hang out with random. Yeah, it's interesting
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  Speaker 1: to watch them, you know, watch the dogs work, for sure.
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  Speaker 1: So David, tell me about telling me about your fishing
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  Speaker 1: trip this weekend. Yeah, yesterday, it was your first first
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  Speaker 1: fly fishing experience, right, I fished. I grew up fishing
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  Speaker 1: in Minnesota on lakes and have recently discovered trout fishing
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  Speaker 1: and there in the last few years. But I have
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  Speaker 1: just been using spinners and that's pretty common in that area. Right. Um,
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  Speaker 1: so I was pretty excited to have the opportunity to
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  Speaker 1: finally try a fly rod because I've always wanted to
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  Speaker 1: do it. And we went out on the yellow Stone
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  Speaker 1: with I don't know how many of us were there
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  Speaker 1: three there were three boats, there was um and it
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  Speaker 1: was a perfect day. It was beautiful, and I had
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  Speaker 1: a wonderful teacher, Sam, who showed me how to you know,
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  Speaker 1: almost how to not get stuck on everything. I threw
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  Speaker 1: my fly at and uh ended up catching a few fish.
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  Speaker 1: And I think, I'm, I'm, I'm you know, when I
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  Speaker 1: get home, I'm gonna go get a ride. And how man,
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  Speaker 1: I've yeah experience, you think, like if rate Sam like
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  Speaker 1: equally he's not here, Yeah, one to ten, ten being great,
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  Speaker 1: great guide, great, one being just awful, one being awful. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: even if he wasn't here, I think I still say
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  Speaker 1: a ten. Really Yeah, yeah, Hell, I needed a lot
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  Speaker 1: of you know, you pick up one of those rods
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  Speaker 1: and um, I don't know if any of you can
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  Speaker 1: remember before you did that, but it's a whole different motion,
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  Speaker 1: it's a whole different everything feeling everything. Um. So it
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  Speaker 1: was nice to have somebody who was who was pretty
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  Speaker 1: adamant about making sure at least had a good chance
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  Speaker 1: of catching the fish. Did he bust out the metronome?
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  Speaker 1: Did that work as a music? Felt like it was
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  Speaker 1: a little scripted, you know, but same you get you
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  Speaker 1: feel like you game gave a scripted like I was
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  Speaker 1: the first person to go, well, you know, I I
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  Speaker 1: go against the ten and two. I tell people eleven
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  Speaker 1: and one. If you're going to think about it that way,
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  Speaker 1: I think that's a more useful frame because it makes
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  Speaker 1: you keep the rod higher behind you. Um. But I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I've taught probably over a hundred people how to fly
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  Speaker 1: fish in my life. I've I've been teaching fly fishing
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  Speaker 1: since I was fourteen. I think, so it is a
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  Speaker 1: little scripted. I have certain things I like to say,
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  Speaker 1: and I think certain things that are helpful and some
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  Speaker 1: that are But I I still think Dave Sandbag and me,
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  Speaker 1: I still think he's secretly fly fished before and is
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  Speaker 1: like acting like this is the first time he picked
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  Speaker 1: it up faster than literally anyone I've ever seen. It's
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  Speaker 1: like a fly fishing shark. Yeah, I mean, I don't
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what you gain from this. How many
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: how many instruments do you play? I really just wanted
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  Speaker 1: just the guitar. I mean, I can kind of play
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  Speaker 1: a few other ones, but I wouldn't say if you said,
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  Speaker 1: like a whole bunch of maybe just like really good
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  Speaker 1: you just had enough training to figure stuff out, stuff
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  Speaker 1: like figuring things out. Now. I'm generally not one of
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  Speaker 1: those people. I don't think, well, he took instruction well
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  Speaker 1: like he was. He was doing it very well, like
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  Speaker 1: pretty much right off the bat, and then ended up
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  Speaker 1: sticking to really nice drout that Literally, anybody who fishes
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  Speaker 1: the yellow Stone regularly would be like over the moon
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  Speaker 1: about catching How how did you have him rigged up?
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  Speaker 1: Weird fishing grasshoppers just single dry all day? Really, no
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  Speaker 1: little little teasers stay fingers, no, no, I droppers, No.
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  Speaker 1: It certainly doesn't make you any less snag prone to
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  Speaker 1: have all that stuff on there. And with two two
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  Speaker 1: folks who are relatively new to fly fishing, and they
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  Speaker 1: were they were eating the grasshopper right off the bat,
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  Speaker 1: and I mean that's kind of the one of the
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  Speaker 1: pinnacles of the fishing experience in my mind. So I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: let's go whole hog on that. We stopped a few
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  Speaker 1: times and I nimphed. I think I caught like one
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  Speaker 1: white fish doing that, but they're just coming up and
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  Speaker 1: smacking that grasshopp Yeah they were, Yeah, did you catch
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  Speaker 1: the fish, Meg? Yeah, I caught one twenty yards from
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  Speaker 1: the takeout, big brown trout, probably the biggest fish I caught,
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  Speaker 1: have caught it to date. What were we talking about
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  Speaker 1: the other day when we were fishing, having your your
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  Speaker 1: PB Oh, my pr PR personal record, no person, PEB
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: personal beast, Peb's peanut butter and jelly, Steve, I don't
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: know this is the thing to say, like my pr
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: PR people say Pebmen use that a few acronyms. IVE
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: never heard that. For runners. Megan's been saying that since
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: she's fourteen years old. Yeah, running, Yeah, for running for fishing. Yeah,
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: and you yesterday that I hadn't heard in quite a while.
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: Was it l L D R? Yeah? And I was like,
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: damn it, I know I didn't have one of those.
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: I was just being polite, you know, letting him get off.
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: Very sporting of you. Um I Uh. We fished this
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: weekend where we went camping with our kids and our
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: neighbors and their kids, and I had my first I
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: had sworn I had vowed to never ride on a
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: on a SUP. Suck man, s up dude, s up dude,
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: to ever ride on a SUP stand up paddleboard. But uh,
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: we're a little slow getting out the door on Friday,
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: and I didn't bring my and I at the last
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: minute was like, didn't bring my canoe. My kids had
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: these little mini these a little mini old town kai X.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: I shoved two those in the back of the truck
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: and my neighbor put in two SUPs and and we
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: wind up at these lakes and you could see like
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: there's nobody to get around the lake. You can't like
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: walk the edge of the lake. I mean you could,
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: but would be just the worst thing on the planet.
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: And there's an inlet coming on the far side of
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: this lake, and my kids wanted their little kayaks and
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: they were being really selfish and rude, and so me
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: and my neighbor had to get on his SUP and
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: rode it over to the inlet. And holy smokes, that
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: we catch fish. He was like had his fly rod
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: and was swinging his little nymph through there and catching him.
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: But I had a ziploc bag full of rotten nightcrawlers.
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: My god. Then when they start to get all mushy
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: and then you put him in a bag and it's
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: like eight oh my god. Just you had like position
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: yourself so the sack was down whin, but my guy
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: was I getting them. I just cooler to get some
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: of those out from the trip last weekend. My strategy.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: I just had six pounds of six pound floral tippet
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: and I put a half of a rotten crawl around
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: there and one split shot it would basically cast up
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: into the creek and let it just wash down on
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: natural into the lake. Yeah. We grilled a stack trout
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: that night. So when you all exactly the same size,
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: which made me suspiciously this long? Did you alter that
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: because you were doing it with another guy on there?
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: Does that make it better? Does that make it worse? No?
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: I had to weigh out, like what's worse to not
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: fish where you think you should be or to ride
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: on a sup How do you rate this stuff now
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: after you've done it? They don't handle in the wind
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: very well because then like a hurricane force wind kicked
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: up and had to come back over by myself to
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: go get my sinkers. It is extremely challenging to fish
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: off on one of those because you make a cast
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: and then it spends a fish off. We have nine paddleboards,
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: there's only two of you. Well, you need them for
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: all different sorts of situations. You know what campgrounds they
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: have those those racks, those welded racks to sit on
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: that you and basically like they're like gravity supported, like
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: gravity lock, so you can control the height. Um, my
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: neighbor had this giant tote full of hardwood scraps from
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: his shop and we just burned all those hardwood scraps
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: down and filled one of those campground rings and then
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: put that rack down there and just covered that rack.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: And expert fishing with the kids and everything just covered
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: that rack and trout. It was good rainbows and we
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: let some cots go. And then uh, there's this old
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: dude camp by us by himself, and I got to
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: feel bad for him, and I went over invited him
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: for dinner, and he told me that he's got gout
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: and don't eat seafood. No, I can't tell my kids
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: go talk to that old man. See if you want
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: to come to dinner. They wouldn't do it. So I
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: was like, I'll go over there. Um, you're gonna when
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: you leave here. You're on a road trip right now,
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: Dave playing concerts audience, Yeah, if that. I had a
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: two shows, one with another member of champled By Totals.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: We did a duo thing and Cheyenne a few nights ago,
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: and then the one here down in Pine Creek, Um,
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: and that was it. But I had some time around it,
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: so it kind of decided to make it a little
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: solo road trip, camping around. Drove out through the sand
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: hills in Nebraska I've never seen before, so I was
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: really good, cool experience to drive through that, and it
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: kind of made my way down to Cheyenne and then
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: up into through Shoshone and camped up their National Forest
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: and still trying to figure out my route home, which
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: starts today. What percent as a musician in this day
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: and age, we're like selling albums isn't really a thing anymore? Um,
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: well percent your income do you have to pull from touring,
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: Let's say about ninety so right now, super unemployed? Right
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: now you're just getting like brutalized by COVID. Respective. Yeah,
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: the whole music business for sure, because everybody that's you know,
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: there's the ones of us at play, but there's also
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: the managers and booking agents and um even to a
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: certain extent, the people that distribute recorded music all really
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: depend on touring. That's the biggest way you publicize the release.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: So where we make our money. It's where every you know,
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: everybody that works for us, our crew and all that
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: make their money. So it's a lot of people that
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: are trying to figure out what to do depending on
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: how long this lasts. You know, UM, how long has
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: it been that you were curious about wanting to take
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: up hunting and do you view that this fall might
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: be a great opportunity for you since you can't work. Well,
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: I it wasn't really that long. I mean, I so
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: two years ago. Now this followed me two years I
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: went pheasant hunting for my first time, right, And that
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: came about because there's uh at this outdoor radio program
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: on the sports talk radio station in Minneapolis. Right, it's
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: called Fan Outdoors on every Saturday and Saturday mornings. At
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: my house, I was just had it on and become
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: kind of a fan, and uh at one one episode
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: they played some of our music and they subsequently reached
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: out to me and asked if I'd ever want to
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: be on the show. And so I did that. Um.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: And during that process they asked if I'd ever want
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: to give pheasant hunting a try. And I mean, I
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: grew up fishing and I was about it and camping
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: and but I never thought one way or the other
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: of hunting, and so I agreed to do it. Um.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: And it was the two gentlemen that took me out.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: Um Bob st Pierre, who's one of the guys at Peasants. Yeah, no,
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: I know him, well, yeah, um, he's a he's a
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: one of the hosts of the radio show. And uh
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: um Billy Hilderbrand, who was a retired tournament bass fisherman
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: and teacher or whatever. But they took me up to
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: Billy's cabin in in central western Minnesota, kind of on
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: the eastern edge of the prairie a little bit and
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: had an amazing first pheasant hunt. You know, we had
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: birds everywhere I got. I was able to take a
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: couple of shots and it. Um. I was completely hooked
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: after that first once. So since then get one I did. Yeah. Yeah,
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: And I've been a few other times since and then
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: have now gone up for grouse and woodcock a couple
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: of times each and all through pretty much the generosity
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: of these guys. You know, I'm using their dogs and
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: um showing me the ropes. But generally in a in
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: a normal year, I don't have a lot of time
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: at home between touring to do it. So you know,
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: last year I got out twice, I think, and um,
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: this year is definitely looking a lot better for that.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: Does uh do Yanni's coon dog training stories speak to
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: you as a as a person born in Germany? Or
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: is the American as American as American who appreciates a
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: good hunting dog? Uh? You know watching those dogs work
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: in a in a pheasant uh? And a pheasant hunt
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: was was you know obviously I've never seen that before
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: and it was really one of my favorite parts. You know,
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't say I'm in the market, but I'm leaning
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: that way. Do you know the I was in a
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: man I was gonna tie you something there as I'm
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: not supposed to tell it. No, I can tell you.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: I don't see why you can't. I have I have
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: a way I can tell it. Okay, I have reason
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: to believe that our show, our TV the TV show, UM,
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: it's highest viewer per that the highest viewer per Capital
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: we get is in our own state. Okay, it's not surprising.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: I don't think so. Maggie's a big fan of Ears.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: Is it because she's from Minnesota? Well, it probably doesn't,
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: ask I'm asking Meg. I turned my attention, I turned
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: my I turned my gaze. I turned my gaze slightly, right, right, Yeah,
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: I think so. I mean that was my first exposure. Right,
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: So is it like it's not like State Pride because
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: these guys are international, or is it? I think it's
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: become State Pride for sure. So you associate, of course.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: I mean you sing a lot about Minnesota and there's
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: a lot of things in there that I don't know
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: speak to me. How long have you been a fan?
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: I think I found you guys and my senior year
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: of high school going into college. That makes me feel
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: so you want to put a year on that, Like
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: how did it come to be? Like? How did it
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: come to beat? You saw him play? No, I had
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: a really good friend that was a huge, huge fan.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: He's gonna be jealous, set him hang out with you
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: and fish and stuff, But yeah, he introduced me to
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: the music and then yeah, I just fell in love.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: And then we saw the first time I saw you
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: was on the shores of Lake Superior Atmosphere opened another
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: Minnesota ban Yeah, and then it was trampled when it
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: is a fun mix of rap fans. And then what
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: year was that? That was? What was that? I graduated
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: college st I think fourteen, Yeah, yeah, somewhere around there. Um,
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: do you hate as a musician? Do you hate Spotify? No? No,
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: I mean it's kind of a complicated relationship. That's how
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: that's how I became a fan of Ears. Really, it
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: was just served to me on. It was served to
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: me on just like the Discover weekly function. That's the
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: thing is that it's it's so great for exposure that's
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: hard to really be mad at him. You know there's
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: right now, what's really being highlighted, at least in my world,
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: is the lack of you know what a lot of
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: people consider adequate payment for what they do to the
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: to the musicians and to the songwriters. But um, it's
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: just how people it's I mean, I listened to it
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: all the time, you know, That's how I listen to
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: music now. And I think in for for somebody who
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: bases their u income on touring, it's a really helpful
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: tool because it's that's so many more people would hear
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: your music than would have if they had to go
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: to a store and buy a record or a CD.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: You know, like how often do you take a chance
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: on something you've never heard of? In that way? But
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: now that touring is gone, Uh, there is a lot
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: of people kind of bringing up the fact that they don't.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: They say that they seem to make a lot of
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: money by paying musicians very little. But I don't know.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: It's it's one of those things. That's it's the way
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: it is now, and it's a hard thing to change.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: It's hard to add a company to say, Okay, we'll
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: make less money and pay you better when they don't
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: really have to. There's nothing forcing them to do that. Um.
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: You O. Man was in the military. He was, yeah,
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: was he tripped off? He became a musician. Did you
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: want to be a military It was actually very supportive.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: He didn't know. He actually specifically told me he didn't
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: want me to do that, not that it was up
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: to him, you know, but he he Uh, he was
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: active for I don't know, most of my childhood. He
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: was an officer. He wasn't in counterintelligence, so he would
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: be gone for I remember one year, I think I
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: was three years something, he lived in Korea for a
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: whole entire year and he got kind of sick of
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: that life, so went in the reserves for a while.
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: And then I mean, that's why I was born in Germany, right,
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: because he was stationed there for a bit um and
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: then got out. And uh no, I don't think he
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: totally enjoyed his experience there, so it never really he
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: never promoted it anyway, so he was fine to see
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: you become a musician. Yeah, I mean, you know, I'm
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: sure everybody a little concerned at first when when you know,
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: I didn't know what the hell I was gonna do.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: But I tried to go to college for a year
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: and that didn't work out, and then started playing in bands.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: And I was living in Duluth, Minnesota at the time,
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: and realized that's what I mean, as that's all I
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: could think about doing. I couldn't think about another job
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: or another career that sounded good to me at the time.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: So I decided to go for it. And no, but
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: I had I definitely had the support of my family.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: I'm sure they were worried about it, but none of
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: them ever had any money either. So when uh, when
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: you're growing up trying to not grown up, but trying
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: to break into become a musician. This all happened in Minnesota. Yeah,
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: I mean I started playing there, but it didn't really
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: become a full time opportunity for me until we started
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: touring around. So I wouldn't have been able to just
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: you know, quit my other job like I was able
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: to if we would have just stayed and playing there. Um,
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: But it was definitely the long way to do it.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: I mean, we just started touring on our own. We
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: had no infrastructure and no booking age and nothing. We
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: just call people and I beg for work pretty much,
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: and you know, go to a town and there'll be
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: five people there and hopefully six months later when it
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: came back, there'll be twenty people. And um, eventually got
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: to the point where we could sustain it. Karnce sent
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: me an article that was I think in this article
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: you had said something the effect of and in the
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: music scene and delu with like people would already people
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: would start to resent you if you could get to
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: a position where you could charge a three dollar cover charge.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: They were already mad. They're rock and roll, rock and
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: roll kind of punky, you know, do it yourself. Absolutely.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: Oh man. The first time we did charge charge a
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: cover it was you know, I mean this is a
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: small scale uh incident, but we got so much, so
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: much slack for it that. But there's part of that
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: that I really love about that place where it's it's uh,
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: at least in the music scene in Duluth what I
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: from what I remember and from what I assume still
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: goes on, UM has that mentality that you have to
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: be this you know, art for art's sake kind of creator,
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: which UM a lot of places don't and a lot
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: of spaces in working in music is is just so
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: far apart from that that I like that there's that
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: little pocket where it's like it's kind of like that,
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: you know, everybody, everybody brings their own sound gear to
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: the show, everybody makes their own flyers, everybody does their
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: their own thing like that, and it's it's cool. What
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: is the did you write? Winners? Like I've listened to
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: this long ago, thousand times, but like I kind of
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: understand what it's about, but I don't understand what it's about. Yeah,
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: is it about what we're talking about? Yeah? Yeah, that's
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: that's a pretty pretty accurate I think. I you know,
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: I was talking to Sam about this on the on
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: the River yesterday where we were talking about songwriting, and
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: for me, I I've I've always had a hard time
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: thinking of a specific concept in writing a song, you know,
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: literally about it, And for me, I feel like it
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: works more where I when I write, it's just kind
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: of distilling maybe a you know, a certain time period
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: of experience and this thing that um and then maybe
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: make the connection of the reason behind it after the
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: fact a little bit. And so sometimes songs are you know,
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: maybe one versus referencing one period of time and another
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: uh different. But for that song in particular, that was
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: pretty specifically about the right time living in Bluth because
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: you stay in there and you know how we feel
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: about winners. Yeah, but there's a lot there's parts I
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: don't understand loving. It's a loving But why does this
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: say like nothing in the but a hammer, nothing in
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: the cabin? What is it nothing but a hammer and
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: a saw? Oh? You know it rhymed with the other
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: and nail and a nail to drive it home. Uh. Well,
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: you know there was a part in that song where
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: I talked about sleeping on a couch, which I was.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: I was living on my friend's couch for this little
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: period time. But you weren't study in law. That says
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: you were. Were you trying? Were you lying to impress
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: your most difference between the difference between lying and not
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: telling the truth. No, Joey, I wouldn't hold you too.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: That's something to be trying to impress your mom. Your
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: mom would hear that song and she'd like, I didn't
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: know he was studying law. I was working real hard
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: at that. You gotta throw in health insurance under steady
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: health insurance. There's nothing more rock and roll than health
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: insurance to the steady. I got a good question for
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: you on can we just on the topic cover charges? Yeah,
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: but can you weaven your question my question cause I'm
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: still not satisfied with the answer. Please go ahead then,
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: But what's it about? Nothing? I don't care to show about.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: I know what it's about. I know what it's about
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: in my heart. That's what I'd like to hear. But
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: was there a thing you said? You sat down, he said,
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: damn it, I'm gonna write a song about No. Okay, No,
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: I didn't. I never write songs on purpose anyway that
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: it's just uh, it's kind of an abstract process for me.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: But it was a lot you know, once that one
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: started to take form, I realized it wasn't really about
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: this like early twenties of my life living in that
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: town and and deciding that I wanted to to, uh,
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: you know, make a go at playing music for my career.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: I guess if you want to call it that, and
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: um and just some instances from that time that's stuck out,
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: you know, if that's maybe about as specific as I
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: can get. No, that's great, Okay, Like I said, I
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: know what, I know what it's about my heart say that, well,
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: that's the goal there, and it's it's like it's that
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: it's that. Um, there's a lot of uncertain you know.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: Do you ever listen to the band Arcade Fire Like
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: I like those guys. Yeah. Um, I don't know that
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: I agree. I probably wouldn't agree with him on politically
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: at all, but I like them and I feel that
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: they have When I'm trying to describe what I like
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: about them, is I feel that they are um like
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: this sort of infectious. It's like exhilaration, but with changed
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: with some very serious apprehension and the Winner's tune like
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: has a lot to do with like being uncertain at
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: an uncertain part of your life in a in a town,
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: in a town that's aware of itself. Yeah, and looking
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: back at it from about fifteen years later too, you know,
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: because that was some harrowing ship what you're seeing in
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: your twenties, man, you're late twenties and harrowing. Yeah. It
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: was also some of the best times in my life
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: in a really exciting way. When we started to tour,
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: you know, the four of us in a van, and
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: I had really not traveled much outside of the Midwest
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: at all, and so coming to see the mountains for
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: the first time and see the ocean for the first
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: time and all of that. I mean, every day it's
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: it's long and boring a lot of the times, but
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: it was also this kind of in retrospect and through
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: romantic lands. Now is this kind of grand adventure that
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: I was able to have. At that time, we were
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: sleeping on people's floors, there was no internet, so it's
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: still like this mysterious process, you know, um and play
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: music with. Some of my best friends are still some
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: of my best friends. So it was pretty great. Go
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: I feel like you have kind of tiptoed around I
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: think one of your favorite arguments, which is Okay from Muskogee. Alright,
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: it's like, what what did you What did you mean
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: when you wrote Oki from Muskogee? What were you trying
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: to say? There's been some some drama over that hasn't
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: exactly Oh tell me more. Rue. Half of the country's
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: like it is a conservative theme something. Yeah, it's just
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: it just rhymed, man, Just you know that. No, it's like,
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: we don't smoke marijuana. I think it was from a
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: dude who smoked a lot of from his from what
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: I've lived on a houseboat and lived on a houseboat
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: in Lake Shasta. But I thought he was kind of
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: making tongue in cheek in it a little bit. How
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: many people have screwed up? How many people have screwed
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: up that Springsteen is born in the USA? Yes, lived
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: on a houseboat Lake Shasta. Um, yeah, it's born in
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: the USA. That anti Vietnam song, yeah, you know Vietnam
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: war song. He's like, but wait a minute, that's the
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: song is like saying, like, oh but wait a minute, man,
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: I was born in the USA. It's not souls to happen. Well,
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: maybe that goes back to U. You know what it
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: means in your heart? You know, I like as a songwriter,
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: and um, that's what hits me about songs that I
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: love is the fact that I can relate something and
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: that like I get a feeling that I understand what's
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: happening in there um of the song. And a lot
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: of times it's man that that person went through this
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: experience and they wrote about it in this way, uh
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: that I would never think of doing. And that's you know,
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: like Bob Dylan's Bow in my mind that way so
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: many times, and some a lot of other writers. But
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: to have somebody kind of take their own narrative and
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: their own understand ending of a song and leave it
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: at that, that's my favorite. If they're you know, sometimes
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: when you find out what a certain line is actually about,
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: it's kind of a letdown. I don't know if this
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: is true. I've I've heard, I feel like from my
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: brother let's be a good one for Spencer's fact checker.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: I heard that Sammy Hagar once said that his lyrics
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: came from misunderstanding other people's lyrics. And then when you
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: find out what they're actually saying. You're like, oh, ship,
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: that's not what I thought it was. I'm going to
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: write a song with what I thought it was in
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: it it's even better. Yeah, but I don't know what
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: he was listening to that made him think of I
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: can't drive fifty five? Like what song did he think
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: they were saying? I can't drive fifty five? Yeah, he's
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: just got really bad hearing or something. But I'll tell you,
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: I'll give you a hot tip if you want a
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: good line for a song. It's what I used to
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: think they're saying in a you tube and a U
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: two song. I used think there's a U two song
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: where he said the line a few broken bones and
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: some loose change. It's not what he's saying. What song is?
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: I don't know what that carry the cross exactly. You
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: should write a song with the line and a few
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: broken bones and some loose change, because that's rich. That's
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: pretty good. You never had anything propproaching that, So I
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: gotta give you like a producer credit. Yeah, I don't.
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: I don't see you writing that down day. If we
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: can wait, it's all up here. It's a few broken
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: bones of the image that sets. Yeah, it's dark. Yeah,
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: I like it. I do. I like your kind of
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: origin story, your line of Um, you know, I didn't
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: didn't sort of matter if there was money in it
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: because nobody else in the family had money anyway. And
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: like there's more pressure on kids too, Yeah, earn a
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: high level of income if it if their parents are
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: doing it all. You mean you meant family. You mean
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: like in your like you didn't come like you grew
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: up not wealthy. Yeah, right, yeah, I think he meant
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: family like family musicians. There's a great um, great line
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: from just Todd Schneider, favorite singer songwriter and Doug Gloves.
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: When I close I don't know what Todd Snider looks like.
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: When I close my eyes, I see Dug during Todd
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: Schneider is a long haired, leaping gnome like he is
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: just this lanky, looks like he could walk forever. But
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: I don't get the impression he does. So he doesn't
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: look like like Doug. During's built basically like big foot,
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: shave shave a lot of weight and keep the height. Yeah,
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: but he's got this line. It says, uh, having nothing
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: is almost like having it all, And I just find
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: it very fitting a lot of times. Yeah, it's like,
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: well I don't have anything to lose, so why not try?
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: Or it's I could see that as um kind of
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: a simple life metaphor, right Like I look back, for instance,
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: at the time we were just talking about in my
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: life when there was there was no money, there wasn't
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: a house, or kids are all all the stuff wonderful
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: and otherwise that's comes since then, But it's an easier way.
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: It's probably easier on your head that way too. You
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: know we touched on when we were talking about sleeping
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: in the back of the truck yesterday. It's like it's
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: just simple and because of the simplicity, it gets you
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: out more where it gets you going more. And I
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: know it's fun to sit around romanticize and being broke,
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: and like there's a lot of good stuff that comes
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: out of being broke. And that was broke a long time,
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: like broke to the point where you were defitely afraid
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: to go into the hospital, right Like I remember waking
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: up one time with paramedics standing over me. And I
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: woke up with paramedics standing over me and ran off
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: into the night, the only thing in my mind being
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: this isn't gonna be cheap. That's the yeah, man, we laughed,
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: but that's so. But like my dad had a quote
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: he liked. I think he made it up. He said,
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: I've been rich and I've been poor. It's better being rich.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: That's the thing now is I wouldn't I wouldn't choose
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: to go back right now. I think if it happens
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: at the right time of your life, there might be
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: some lessons learned in there. I think everybody maybe would
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: probably benefit for at least one year of poverty in
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: their life. But I don't think poverty counts. Like I
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: don't think that people who don't have children should be
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: allowed to use the word poverty. It's not it's just
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: something different. It's like broke, like you're broke. Yeah, But
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: some people never even get that because I lived many
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: years like below the federal poverty limit. But I would
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: never as a magazine writer, I would never have described
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: myself because because a lot of its self inflicted. You're
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: not unless you're worried about feeding your kids or it's
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: like it's like mostly self inflicted. It's like you also
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: drink all the time, and you also like are always
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: like doing like a two weeks backpacking trips hunting in Alaska.
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: So it's like it just doesn't jibe with poverty, like
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: you just don't have any money because you have to
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: have chosen not to write. But it is different, kids,
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: it's different. Then I'm like, okay, unleashed the word. I
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: gotta tell you my cover cover story. It's not really
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: a scam because I felt like it was very beneficial.
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: But growing up in Missoula, there's always a lot of
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: music around, and um uh, we also chose not to
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: have a lot of money at that point, and um
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: so what I would do is that go up to
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: you know, typically at somebody in the band or of
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: the band is sitting there working the door on the
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: on the cover side of things like taking cash, and
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: so I would figure out if the cover was going
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: to the house or getting split by the house, and
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: if it would be better off for the band in
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: their best interest to sneak in if we bought like
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: two T shirts. We'd figure out something. Right, it would
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: be like what is the band getting And then I'd
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: be like, cool, I'm gonna have five people here, We're
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: gonna buy two T shirts. You put five people on
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: the on the guest list and they'd be like done
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: half the time. It's amazing. Yeah, it was great. Yeah,
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: I would have said yesterday. Yeah, I mean, do you
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: think those people a lot of thought put into that.
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: It's really sweet, appreciate it could have been thinking about
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: just making honest living and forking over my three bucks,
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: but instead, well, that's that's amazing. Yeah, that's kind of
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: that's a it's a heartwarming tale. Ye. How does that
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: does that work for you? Because it would still work
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: probably good because I kept thinking about that and I
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: was like, oh man, could I just ask on that note,
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: what is the best way to support artists musicians right now?
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: Is it merch? Is it physical media? Like boy? That
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: is a great question. Uh, yeah, it's it's merch, really
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: physical me he included. But most most artists out there
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: have a website, and most of those websites have a store,
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: and so every little every T shirt or or stick
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: or a record or whatever you buy off there, it
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: all helps. Did you like that band Typhoon? I don't
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: know the band tai foond Uh. They had a T
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: shirt that I really want and it's out of stock
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: and I always try to go buy it and I
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: can never buy Itty bucks Man. I can't get one.
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: I'm half about ready to write him in and see
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: if I can buy his trying to check up the price.
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: You the Bandtai Foon, How can you up your alley man? Yeah,
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: I'll check him out. Tod Schneider's got a sticker that
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: says Todd Schneider rules, and it hasn't been in stock
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: for like five years. I keep checking. You know, my
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: older brother, my older brother, Uh, he doesn't like bluegrass,
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: and you guys have a strong bluegrass influence. You know what.
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: His criticism of bluegrass is that it has too many notes.
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: I agree with that. I feel like I listened to Level.
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah there's a lot of notes. Yeah, I do think that,
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: and you think that, Yeah, I do. I'm definitely more
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: of uh like I feel like maybe it's because I'm
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: just I've never been like schooled in my instrument or whatever,
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: but um, I prefer a bit more space and and
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: uh maybe more well placed notes than more notes, just
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: for having more notes, if that makes sense. Do you
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: know the musician Robert O'Keane, Yeah, I do his song
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: blue Grass Whittle, where he made a bluegrass song by
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: stringing together all the titles of bluegrass songs. That's a
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: great bluegrass do you we're just trampled by turtle sit
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: in like the bluegrass genre because it, I would imagine
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: your guys style is probably like pooh pooed by some
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: people in the bluegrass scenes, like oh, there's too much
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: electric electric stuff for there's two it's too fast, or
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: it's too much on the rock and roll spect it
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: absolutely is yeah to get piste because you guys win
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: Best Bluegrass Album and it's really not. I mean, I
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: don't care what people call this band, right, if you
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: want to call him, if we want calls bluegrass or not,
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: I don't care. It doesn't matter. But to a lot
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: of people, the word bluegrass is is very holy and
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: specific thing, and it's in that circle. UM, and I
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: got a lot of friends in that. We do a
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: lot of festivals in that world, and um a lot
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: of friends playing the bands in that world. But and
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: it's not even the musicians themselves. It's like the fans
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: and they have this thing where um, there's very tight
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: parameters and it's very rule based kind of songs and um,
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: and it's really heavily focused on you know, incredible technical skill. Um,
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: and that's I don't that's not really my vibe, vibe
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: and anything. Musically, I don't really care how great somebody
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: is at their instrument if they can't play something that
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: really invokes some kind of emotional reaction or you know. Um.
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: But so I think yeah, and that in that traditional
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: bluegrass world, I think a lot of them wouldn't even
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: consider us a part of it, which is fine, you know,
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: and we we dabble in it. Sometimes we're lucky enough
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: for we can go we'll play a blue grass festival,
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: like a bluegrass festival, you know, an Appalachia or something.
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: But then we're also able to play other things like
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: you know, we play Coachella and like rocky ear things
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: as well, which I'd much rather be in that kind
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: of muddy water than than have to clearly define, um,
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: something that but it's very nature should grow and change
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: as it as it goes along. I think it seems
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: like to some bluegrass fans it's almost like bourbon, where
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: if it didn't come from Kentucky, it doesn't matter. You know.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: Living in Missoula for a long time, there's a lot
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: of people are really snobby about bluegrass and yeah, it's
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: it's funny. It's funny to see how things get defined
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: and I legitimized sometimes when music. Mostly that's none of
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: the musicians that I know, even in the traditional bluegrass world,
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: really share any of that perspective. It's people that have
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: this thing that they believe is there's which is fine.
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: They're allowed to have it, you know, and they're allowed
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: to like whatever they like. But to ask, you know,
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: to to like expect a band because they have a
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: banjo in it to do this way this thing a
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: certain way, excuse me. To me is is just kind
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: of silly, you know, to have rules about who gets
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: to have a banjo, yeah, or how they're supposed to
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: play it. You know, like our banjo player for instances
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: this is maybe too far into this whole, but plays
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: with a like a guitar pick, which I mean is
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: simple enough. He just learned how to play it that
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: way and he's really good at it that way. Um.
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: But in for instance, like in the blue grass community,
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: that's super taboo to do that, which we didn't know
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: when we started. We were in Duluth, you know, like
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: there's no grass there and we were like trying we
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: were trying to pretend we were from Appalachia anything. We're
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: just writing our own songs and using those instruments, you know.
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: And so we'd show up to play and he would
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: get so much ship for that pick that it was like,
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: what is this? The traditionalists use fingers or fingers like fingerpicks,
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: so it's even even the the distinction between a piece
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: of metal on your finger a piece of plastic in
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: your fingers is enough. So I was, you know, honestly
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: turned off by that pretty early on, and and I
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: have softened my view on it a bit now, have
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: gotten older, But I love some of the music, you know. Um,
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: I just added, like finding a place for rules in
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: in any kind of creative pursuit. It just seems counterintuitive
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: to me, the abundance of notes notwithstanding abundance, and uh,
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: what bluegrass manages to do though, is it? It's it's earthy. Yeah,
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: it's like the traditional bluegrass music is sort of born
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: of the earth, the old stuff like feels it's very honest. Yeah,
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: I think that pop top forty pop country, whatever you
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: call modern country, top top forty country, um fanes and earthiness.
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: I agree with that. An old country too, you know,
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: a country from the fifties or whatever. Those are people
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: that lived in the country and wrote about their experience.
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: That's the smells of alcohol and that same thing about
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: the early bluegrass people. They were living in those halls
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: and mining and they were writing songs about that and
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: it felt like from the earth, you know, like what
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: you said, which I really like it, like it grew
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: out of the dirt, and it's it's a later interpretation
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: or imitation of that. I think it has kind of
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: less substance maybe, do you uh, you grew up around
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: like hanging around outside at least if you weren't into
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: the real dark arts of what was your you know,
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: what was your exposure to nature? Well, my my dad
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: and I, uh would you would camp a lot? And
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: you know for one thing. But um, in Minnesota, there's
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: this great lake culture, right and every not everybody obviously
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: I don't, but a lot of people, especially back when
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: I was a kid, when it was a little more
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: affordable to do it, have cabins on lakes and this
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: is pretty like right and a middle class thing that
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: people were able to do without um needing. Now now
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: it's a little harder to buy a place like that.
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: But anyway, my grandparents had one, so I would, you know,
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: grew up fishing on lakes since I can hold a
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: rod really, And then later in my teenage years, my
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: dad and I kind of got into backpack camping up
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: in the Spirit National Forest and um hiking on the
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: Spirit Hiking Trail on that kind of stuff, up and
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: up and dooring the Minnesota, and then ice fishing as well,
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: which I haven't done for a while now. You grew
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: up around the ice hole a little bit. Do you
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: feel that, um, do you feel that the natural world
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: like like give something to music or do you think
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: it's just totally separate. I don't think it can be
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: separate at all. I don't. Maybe it depends on the
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: music or the person making the music, because you know,
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of people in music who don't spend
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: a lot of time doing any of that. Um, But
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: for me, yeah, absolutely, I just it's always just been
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: the just the outdoors. And it's such a broad thing,
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: I notice say, but it's always just been where I've gone,
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: you know, whenever I have the opportunity to go somewhere,
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: or the the need to get out of town or whatever,
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: it's always you know, in a tent or the truck
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: or now it's out in the field. Um, and it's
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: kind of where I recharged my batteries. It always has been.
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: It's interesting. I mean, you just point out this thing,
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: like you don't need nature to make music. I do. Yeah. No,
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: I'm just say, yeah, I agree. You know what you're
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: pointing out. One does not, because that's like a little
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: bit of a conundrum. Um where uh even like in
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: raising kids, I you know, I would argue that I
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: think it does kids good to have a very ah
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: extreme version of a relationship to nature. But I see
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: people raise really wonderful, loving general as kids in the
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: middle of giant cities, right, who could give a rat's
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: ass about nature? So I'm like, okay, I find it helpful.
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: Is it the way to do it? It's one way
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: to do it, you know your kids? Yeah, it is right, right,
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: and those kids would probably be able to they could
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: grow up anywhere and be fine. Like you said, but
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: maybe that's your way of of showing whatever that thing
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: is that you want to show your kids. Your way
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: of doing it is out there. Yeah, I don't have
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: another method, right, And somebody is like growing up in
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: Paris or something. Their way of doing it has to
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: be different. You know, I'm the same. I have two kids,
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: have a nine year old daughter and a seven year
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: old son, and my favorite times with them have been outside.
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: You know, they both we've been fishing now. Um, they
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: love the camp and it's where it's kind of where
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: everything makes sense to both of us. Maybe that's where,
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: like the Van Diagram crosses, that's a good point where
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: where we are and there They're still young enough where
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: we get along all the time really, but I'm hoping
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: that trans it's into their teenage years where like for
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: me when my when when I was sixteen or seventeen
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: and I wanted nothing to do with my parents, I
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: would still love to go camping with my dad and
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: that was the time when we would actually talk and
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: actually spend time together on a more of a level
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: playing field. Maybe can you think of a actual sort
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: of moment or an actual way or a song or
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: something where an experience outdoors, like you know, was manifested
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: somehow on the thing you made. Or is it all
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: this background? That's a good question. No, I do think
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: um it is I would say mostly background. But I
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: think that you know, I definitely have like lines or
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: references to it all over the place. Um But I
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: think a lot of when I'm thinking about writing a
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: song and I'm working on and I'm missing a line
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: here or something like that, a lot of the times,
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: like references in some way to the outdoors is kind
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: of first thing that comes up, you know, like describing
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: how the light is or how it sounds, or just
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: things that you're a little more hyper aware of when
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: you're outside, you know. Um. On my I put a
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: solo record out in March, and I think I noticed
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: more of that stuff a little bit more on the
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: forefront and some of those songs. But I've also been
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: so much more focused on on being in the outdoors now.
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: I mean, for so long with touring full time, I
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: let it. I had let a lot of that stuff
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: go for maybe ten years. I didn't spend a lot
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: of time out in the woods or um on the
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: water or whatever. And it's really in the last three
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: or four years has really been coming back to me,
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: really like more powerfully than it really ever has in
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: my life. So I think the references to that are
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: getting a little more literal in there, you know. I
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: was plugging that band Typhoon. There's a song it's called
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: I think it's called the Lake. If you listen to
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: it real careful, it's the like there's a there's are
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: like this Chris the Lean moment in it where it's
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: fourth of July and the singer and his sister are
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: planned and she's trying to make a loon sound and
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: they go down to a lake shore and he doesn't
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: realize it, but he says a different bug must have
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: bit my leg, but I never saw it. And it's
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: about lime disease. You'd never know unless you listened to
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: it like a kazillion times. It's about lime disease, but
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: he never says lime disease in it, different bug must
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: have been It sounds like they're they're from there in Oregon,
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: but he talks about but there's like nature references, you know,
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: It's like it's like real nature references that you wouldn't
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: know if you didn't spend time in nature. And I
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: think when I was talking about Top forty country, it's
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: like I sometimes don't buy the references. It'd be like,
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: you know, it's almost like you know when you watch
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: really if you watch really bad, you know, like bad
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: writers and they're trying to imagine like what a redneck
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: family is like they'd be like, oh, um, have them
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: fix something with duct tape? They like that, right, what
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: rhymes with duct tape? And they're like, or you know
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: a thing they do is, um, you know, have like
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: a uh real strict violent parenting style. They like that, right,
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. But people like they don't
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: know what they're talking about, Like they don't know. And
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: I was watching the showing that long ago, and they
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: had a scene where there was supposed to be some
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: carpenters carpenters working, and you can tell that the writer,
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: nor the director, nor anyone on that set had ever
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: seen a carpenter work in the life. There's a whole
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: room of people building a house. Not one of them
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: was doing anything you would do in the process of
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: building out. They had no idea. And I think there's
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: this thing in top forty country where it's like they're like, oh, yeah,
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: you'd have a truck, and I feel like you'd you'd
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: it up your girlfriend, I imagine, and take her to
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: the river in the truck. It seems like a thing
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: they would enjoy. Yeah, And it's likely do you really
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: know this, like, do you know this or do you
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: feel that this is a thing in that world? To
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: a lot of the most I would say, and not
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: having any statistics in front of me, but most of
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: those songs are written in office buildings by other people.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: There's like songwriting shops. People go nine to five it
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: and write songs based on record sales and what they
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: what somebody is telling them it's sells really well. I
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: remember a couple of years ago somebody had put a
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: video together of I think it was it was like
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: nine of the top ten country songs at that moment
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: and found almost the exact same line and every single
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: one and cut it together so different artists all had
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: the same basic chorus and the same basic because at
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: that point that you know, somebody knew that that connecting
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: with that in somebody's with sales records, And I think
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: what you're saying is right. It's a lot of the
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: like just let's just list off things they like or
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: they're supposed to like. But what I like about it
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: is it's like, of all the music right now, it's
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: the music that's most references. It's the music that most
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: references nature like references agriculture, right, it references labor in
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: the outdoor, Like there's all these things that kind of like,
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: but the delivery always feels like a little too because
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: I like that as well. I wish there was more
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: of that other stuff for it. Maybe because in raw
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: like in like nickelback whatever, they're not. I don't know
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: if they do they reference agriculture quickly. I don't know, Man,
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: there's that is I mean, that's country music. It's supposed
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: to be in the country, right, It's supposed to come
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: from out of town people that live and and where
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: it can grow up away from the city. But in reality,
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: most of it comes from downtown Nashville, you know, Yeah,
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: and from people that live in Nashville and don't farm,
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: you know, So that's where it came from. Analysis Now,
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: it's a style that you kind of sculpt yourself to fit,
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: you know. Some of it starts to feel like a
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: caricature of the rural lifestyle. I mean, there's the old
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: joke like you play a country song backwards and you
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: get the farm back, and you get your dog back
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: and your truck back and your girlfriend back. But yeah,
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: that that's why I like stuff like you guys do.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: It just feels a lot more, a lot more authentic
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: and until people actually actually get out and get out
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: and do it, it's not just based on demographics. I
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: will say, when we started, you know, this band started
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: as a as a as a side project. We're all
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: playing in rock bands. I've never played in anything acoustic based,
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: or folk music or blue grass or whatever. Um I
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: mean I started. My first band was a punk band
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: and was name of a Simple Junction. Simple Junction. Yeah. Obviously,
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: band names aren't my strong suits. My same brother that
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: doesn't like blue grass, he has a hobby where he
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: just comes up with great names. A great great repeat offender.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: That's a cover band, Yeah, Steve, we did this in
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: post production. Carl HANSI and I have a list of
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: band names of ever when it counts Ginger Snapper, that
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: means bands that play like like the VFW on Tuesday
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: Nights or something that. Um. But when I was doing that,
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: we when we started this band, it was just as
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: something to explore. We all Simple Junction. Yeah, what does
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: that even mean? You know, there's no proof that it
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: ever existed. I don't think either, which is one of
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: the nice things about being at age before Spotify or
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: before YouTube, before anything. But we were a copy and stuff,
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: you know, like I've never played a blue rass song before.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: Our mandolin player just bought a mandolin at a garage
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: sale and we're like, well and I've never even heard
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: the music before. So we at that time, right at
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: the end of the time where you do this, we
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: found music, We found like CDs of bluegrass music, and
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: we started. We learned a few songs. It was just
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: this kind of fun thing we did maybe once a
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: month at a little bar um because there was nothing
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: like that in Duluth, you know that we knew of anyway. Um,
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: So we started. And then I think anytime you like
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: do that at the first the first um, at least
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: for me, I should say, the first thing you do
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: is kind of copy somebody else. You know. When I
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: started writing songs, I wanted to be Bob Dylan or something,
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: you know, like right like that and then maybe use
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: the same core structure and make it sound like it,
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: maybe even outright steal stuff. Um. And we would do
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: that with Tramplet. And then when we decided we got
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: a little bit older and decided that we wanted this
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: was going to be our band. Then we tried to
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: go reel that back and you know, make our own
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: music just with these instruments instead of the ones that
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: we were used to. The mimicry thing that you're mentioning, like,
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: I like how you're almost like mad or of fact
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: about it. I think everybody does it. Yeah, I agree,
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: and watching uh, when I was going through school and
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: watching so many aspiring writers, um learn their learn their groove.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: Everybody's trying to copy someone. The good writers are just
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: people like everyone tries to copy and no one can
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: get it right. The good ones are just that they're
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: facts simile. That the facts simile they're trying to produce
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: is misses the mark but hits something interesting. It'd be
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: like you're like shooting at like a buck, you know,
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: like a forky and you miss it, but hit like
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: a booner and then you go there. You're like, yeah, yeah,
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: that's why I meant to do that whole time. Yeah,
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: So I was like, oh, I'm gonna I was like,
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: I was like, I'm gonna be like John McPhee and
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: Ian Fraser. That's all right. Yeah, Well, I think Joan
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: Didion tossed in right, and right anything like any of
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: those people. Right, but you gotta I think everybody in
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: any creative field starts with that because you all the
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: reason you do it, because this stuff has had such
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: an effect on you. You know, at least for me,
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: I wanted to play music because that was the most
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: important thing in my life. That's the thing that had
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: made me uh you know, it had changed my life
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: by listening to it. And so there's no other way
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: to start, I don't think, rather rather than copying somebody else,
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: and then eventually I think you kind of mixed all
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: those little influences in and find your own style. So
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: you did as a writer as well, and then it
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: becomes your thing. And I think that every artist is
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: just their distillation of all that stuff that's in them,
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: all those experiences, all the people they read or listened to,
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: and it boils down into this, you know, a little
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: goog that's just their own thing. Um, it's very continuous,
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: I think. So Trampled by Turtles was was coming on
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: the scene, like uh as I had kind of made
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: another life transition to like guiding, um, like white water
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: and fly fishing outside a Glacier National Park, right and
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: like national parks. You get a bunch of people from
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: all over the country and all over the world to
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: come in and work, and then plus the visitors and everything,
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: and um, this was as a lot of outfits are.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: There's kind of like a communal living situation too with
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: with guides and uh. And then there's all the park
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: employees and stuff that are in the the exact same thing.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: So you get exposed to a lot of music. Um.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: And then certain music like really takes off right, and
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: everybody's listening to the same thing, right, And so Trampled
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: by Turtles had this amazing run um in these circles
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: and you could hear tramped by Turtles all the time.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: And I'm I'm always the guy who's like, who who
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: sings that? Hey? Who sings that? Again? Um. I just
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: thought like when you start thinking about legacies, where you
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: can have this thing that exists and means like polar
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: can have salute opposite meaning too, like the same groups
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: of people where um, you have a bunch of young
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: folks out for the first time away from mom and dad. Um,
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of partying going on. Uh. People are
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: drinking too much. They got a lot of freedom. Uh,
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of sex going on, there's drugs, there's
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: uh just listening to Trampled by Turtles and uh like
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: your legacy of writing, you have produced this, this content
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: that means the entire emotional spectrum to people where it's
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: like I broke up to this song, I fell in
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: love to this song. I made a child to this song.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: You know. Uh, that's well, yeah, I don't know what
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: to say to that, but that's great, you know, I
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: hope so I guess, but um, I I guess I
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: have that from music for me, and you know that's
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: why I get attached to some stuff as well. But
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: if you ever run into somebody who's like, I'm gonna
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: punch that Davis right in my head next my girlfriend,
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: that's happened. I did, we did. I did have a
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: guy jump on stage in Seattle once and choked me
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: while I was playing. Um but I don't know if
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: that was what was this problem. I don't know. I
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: never found out. You didn't get the context. No, I didn't.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: I really. The first thing I came to my mind too,
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: was like, why why did you choose? Now? Help me
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: understand that? Uh? No, I never taught I never saw
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: him again. If you're out there, shoot me an email
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: in the music world. Is it ye? You just adjusted
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: your mike? Were you fixing to say something? I got
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: a question back and ask it's not please don't maybe
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: beg for it? What's up? Do you have a guess
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: at how many shows you've played? No, I don't know.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: I mean annually during your busiest times, do you? I
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: do know that, I mean during our busiest couple of years,
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: which is probably uh, two thousand ten or two thousand
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: and twelve maybe something like that, Um, about a hundred
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: and fifty hundred sixty a year, and now we're at
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: a pretty solid like seventy maybe, which still feels really busy.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: I don't know when we fit all the other ones in,
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: but we were just kind of on the road all
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: the time. That was before I had kids. You know,
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: another guy in our band's got a couple of kids.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: And uh, definitely the urge to be home the older
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: I get, the urged to be home is a lot stronger. Um.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: What's the drug scene like in bluegrass music with the
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: with the old guys? Are they like alcoholics or what
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: are they like the old guys? The old classic blue grass.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: A lot of those guys are they in the pharmaceuticals
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: and stuff, you know, the ones that are so alive
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: you're talking about like the legit blue like those guys
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: around you know, don't I can. Dell mccourry is probably
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: the only person from that period of time we actually
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: played in like some of the original bluegrass bands. And
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: he's eighty two or something like that. He's he's a
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: wonderful man and who has had us play with his
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: band before. He throws a great festival in Maryland from
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: what I've seen him, And I mean his kids are
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: his band. You know, it's a real traditional thing, um.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: And they're really great. Um. But I you know, pretty
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: at least on the outside, pretty stand up, church going,
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: you know, we mom's here, put the beer away kind
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: of kind of crowd. Because you've got that song about codine. Yeah,
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: well I didn't grow up in that crowd. You know.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: It's like a country song about code. There's drugs, That's
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: finally an easy question. There's there's drugs in every scene,
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: I mean and every you know, probably every office you
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: go into. I don't think that's that's just a music
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: thing anymore. So, Yeah, when in the music world when
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: you get like, oh, you know, you getting interested in hunting.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: I don't want to go hunting, do you? Was there
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: a temptation to be closeted about it because get in trouble. No,
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: not at all. I I I've actually really enjoyed that conversation.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: But I will say that mine, it might be a
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: little different if I was you know, I don't know,
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: maybe if you've more urban band, you know, like we
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: have a lot of pretty out outdoor active That's probably
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: not the right way to say that, but people fans
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: who are active in the outdoors. So I don't think
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: it was a huge leap for for me to start
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: talking publicly about hunting, right, Um, there's Oh, it wasn't
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: totally unexpected. Yeah, it wasn't like what you know, Um,
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: but yeah, in the music world, that's not I wouldn't
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: say my experience in the music it's not very common
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: activity for people to do. So it's been interesting conversations
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: I've had with other musicians from from bands you know,
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: much different than ours, And honestly, most of the response
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: that I've gotten is curiosity and a lot of people,
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: a lot of people want to give it a shot.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: I want to try it out. UM. I mean I've
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: kind of gotten a few a few friends that are
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: going to come out this year, UM that had never
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: done it, or families have never done it, you know,
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: they've maybe never even slept in a tent kind of
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: kind of friends, you know. But when I talked about
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: the activity to them, UM, I mean, you guys know
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: more than anybody probably the different conceptions of hunting that
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: exists in the public eye, right, and which is something
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: I'm new to. But I had my own preconceptions about
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: it before and now that I've done it. What was what?
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: What was that? Um? I was definitely on the side
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: of things that that saw it as UM. You know,
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, kind of like this red nicky
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: activity chasing raccoons all around, driving raccoons. I was right,
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: you know, uh no, But you know, I don't think
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: I was never like anti hunting or whatever. I have
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: uncle's not on family member that hunt and you know whatever,
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: it's great, but it wasn't something that I was interested
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: in until I had the offer to go, and so
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: I took that. But there must have been that can't
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: be it. It can't be like you never thought about it.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: Had no interest, but then got invited to go and went,
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: yeah pretty much. Yeah, it never really covered you. It
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: never really crossed my mind, you know, And until I
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: started talking to Bob uh Saint Pierre, and you know,
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: he brought it up, said he started to like his
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: radio show. Oh yeah, I listen to it all the time.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: So then I caught you know why, I don't know
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: if that's a lie. You must have been interested. Why
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: the hell are you listening to the show good radio
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: And it's a lot of it's a lot of fishing talk.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: And yet because you liked fishing and you have a
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: fishing hunting or like very close because they are really close.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: Because um, but I don't know, man, there's like a
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: rule I made, I didn't name it. Everyone who traps
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: knows how to hunting fish, everyone who hunts knows how
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: to fish. Everyone who fishes. I don't know what they
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: know how to? Do? You know what I'm saying? Yeah
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: I do. So they're they're like you were going to
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: Oh you were not. You weren't going like down the ladder,
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: You're going like up the ladder. Sure, Uh yeah, I'd
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: say that. I mean, it doesn't need to listen to
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: a morning show because you like the fish talk. Also,
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: I also, honestly I like the outdoors talk. These guys
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: are very um, you know, they this was my first
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: experience with people that are that are hunters, right, and
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: when they talk about hunting, they talk about the walk
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: and the dogs and the weather and like the um,
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: maybe a bit more of the romantic side of it
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: that I had never really had a exposure too before.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: And it resonated with me because that's the same A
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: lot of the stuff they were talking about is a
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: lot of the things that I felt when I was
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: taking a walk or whatever, but without the same goal
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: in mine and um, they were really just you know,
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: there's kind of the steward of the land conservationists perspective
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: of hunting, um. And then the part of getting your
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: own food, which I I mean, obviously I knew that's
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: what happened when you hunt, but I've never really made
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: that connection of how nice it would be to do that, um,
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: even though I fished and it fish, you know, but um,
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: maybe an extension of that or something. So I mean,
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: when that's the stuff to me that drew me in
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: when I started, when I went that first time, you know,
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: I was out with this group of guys who had
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: spend their whole lives doing this um and then I
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: got to see it from their perspective, which then it
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: just made sense to me. It to make complete sense
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: to me once I did it, you know. And it
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: was also fun as hell it when it's popped up
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: out of that I've never experienced anything like that before,
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: you know. It wasn't like anything I had done. When
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: a when a pheasant jumped up out of the cover
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: that a dog had just pointed and I saw that,
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: you know, the first guy shoot one. It's like this,
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: I'm in. This is so great. Wait till you see
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: your coon. Dog doesn't get any better? Have a heart
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: comes screaming out of there. Boy, I get some blood pumping.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: I have a heart. Yeah. Well it's you know, I'm
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: room to explore. Now. It's just a year of a
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: couple of years of first right now, it's just been
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: pretty great. And you went woodcock hunting. I did, well,
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: we were gross hunting, but they were legal at the
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: same time and in the same wood. So and did
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: you find some Yeah, that's something I'm I'm real interested. Yeah,
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: I want to want to find some yeah that, you know,
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: I've been pheasant hunting twice. And then I went in
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: the gross woods and I was I thought, it was like,
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: there's no way in hell I'm going to shoot something
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: in these trees except trees. You know, like watching the
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: bird fly up in that cover is so thick. Um. Well,
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: when you do shoot, it looks like you hit a
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: bunch of trees. Yeah, that's all. It was like, I
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: definitely have shot a lot of trees now, but I
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: was able to get a couple of growls in a
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: couple of ocock. Really, yeah, you're like proficient. Well I
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: don't know about that, but rough growls is not I mean,
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: anybody can I should say anybody all rough growls, But
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: hitting two rough growls is good. Thanks. I I uh,
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: it took me maybe, and it always is right And
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: the only time I've ever seen him come up and
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: then right in front, and then you know somebody who didn't.
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: I'm still in that phase right where walking through the
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: woods and lifting a gun to my shoulder and getting
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: all that stuff right is brand new even you know,
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: so I still I still a lot of its conscious
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: movement for me still. So it's you know, I'm a
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: little behind the behind the jump on that. But I
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: also don't want to to shoot my buddy, you know.
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: So I'm still like a conscious gun safety mode as well,
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: because I've just I mean, I took my gun safety
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: Minnesota gun safety course while I was on tour, uh
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: you know, in green room, So I was on the
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: computer doing my gun safety course. So it's pretty brand
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: new for those who want to know what happens in
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: the green room. Doesn't get any more room Simon is
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: taking his online go and see. I like that you
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: just switch it to Simon. Well that's what I feel
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: like it ought to be. Yeah, can we return something
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: real quick. There's two things I didn't get you up
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: top that I want to still touch on. Because you're
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: talking about listening to the radio in Minnesota made me
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: think of this. Uh you you found out why I
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: don't like car talk already know why I don't like
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: card talk. I'm still curious, uh refreshes and why you
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: don't like card talk because us they the screen people,
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: and then they have people on um in order to
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: like express these old manny um sentiments about what they're doing.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: So i'd be like I was in My boyfriend was
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: driving my boyfriend's car, right, your boyfriend's car and it
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: just goes on or not yeah, which we did a
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: pull I think last time we podcasted, and not. No,
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: I didn't have anybody on my team either they hadn't
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: heard of it or nobody was in it. You love it,
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: but you're from Minnesota. So now he's gonna say you're
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: out car talks from Massachusetts, though I don't. But I
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: think I think Minnesota cher capital listen to more public
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: rate on anybody on the planet. We cut all this
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: outfil Yeah, what's the name of the street. What's the
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: street that wait, wait, don't tell me, tell me in Chica,
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: what's the downtown Minneapolis Mini ha ha Street or something?
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: You're talking about Home companions companion, Yeah, that's supposed to
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: take make wobbegun. That's a fictional Yeah, there's a street.
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: Never never mind, it's just because you're not into the
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: subject matter those Really you're into cars, of course, hugely
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: into cars, just because you drive one every day like
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: they're broken and when they're broken, I wish they weren't
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: and I want to fix it. That doesn't make you
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: into I was working on my car today, hugely in
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: the cars. I find it surprising you don't, like I
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: give those same two dudes. We're just talking trapping and
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: fishing and hunting. You'd be like, that is the best
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: radio show ever. My Boyfriend's trash, Briend's trash. I like
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: all kinds of ship like, I like all kinds of Like.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: I just watched the thing about the Purfs, people that
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: use the Rico law um to take down the organized
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: crime ring, and how they and how the law came
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: in the passage and how they used RICO too instead
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: of doing these like individual prosecutions of these various gangsters
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: were able to roll this whole concrete price fixing manipulation
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: ring up. You know, Steve, he's very interested in concrete
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: bidding process. It's like, no, I'm not, but I like
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: that has nothing to do with what I like. M
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: No, no no, no, I think it's just too out of
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: your space. Is it the dynamic in the conversation that
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: you don't enjoy, Like they like beat around the bush
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: too much instead of actually getting to the issues. Yeah,
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: they don't tell you. I don't learn about fixing cars, Like, oh,
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: you've better taking to the mechanic. You know, stuff you
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: should know that podcast. Yeah, I hate that you don't
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: provided me with a great rebuttal. Cut all this out.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: You provided me with a great rebuttal. Is it? It's
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: not actually about fixing cars. No, you don't learn about it.
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: It's about the conversation. Did you check to see if
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: it's on? Oh, we'll take you to a mechanic. It's
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: totally about the Yeah, I feel like you guys, you
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: haven't listened. They do. I mean stuff you should know.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: They eventually tell you, like what that podcast about saying,
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: But like there's it's more about the conversation, the dynamic
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: between the two and the way they go back and forth. Well,
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: that's what makes talking about fixing cars entertaining. Dave, did
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: you imagine it's what got David to pheasant hunting? Dave,
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: act of loading the shotgun meticulously tell you, but take
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: a show out of the box after I open it?
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: Of course, break open the shotgun by pushing the lever. Dave,
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: do you imagine how to videos go ahead? I had
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: to say, okay, um, do you imagine that you would
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: get into you like, would you get into big game hunting?
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: Or would that be to kind of like it's too extreme? No,
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: I totally would be into it. I've I've started to
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: try to figure out a way to go deer hunting
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: this falling out that I'm gonna be home this fall.
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: Um at home. But yeah, I mean all of it.
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: I'll try any of it, I guess, and just see
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: what sticks, you know. And there's nothing like you wouldn't do.
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: You'd go on a bear hunt. I don't know, fab
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: maybe i'd go on a bear hunt. I never thought
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: about it. Huh, you go on a bear hunt. I've
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: been on a whole Pileum, do you like it? I go? Uh?
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: All I meant was I think that there's a way
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: that like when when someone as a grown up gets
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: interested in hunting and fishing, there's like oftentimes there's these
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: initial things that seem immediately palatable to someone. Yeah, I
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: get that, And birds would be that. And there's a
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: lot of people who wouldn't do other stuff, but they would,
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: like they're comfortable, you know, catching trout and letting them go,
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: and they'll shoot a bird, but that's about like as
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: far as they're that's about as violent as they want
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: to get. Yeah, I feel like I know people like that,
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: but you don't feel that way. No, I don't think so.
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: I mean, I guess, you know, i'd have to. I
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: like to think anyway, that I would have to experience
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 1: it to see if it's for me or not, you know,
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: instead of trying to guess if i'd like it or not.
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean, I don't. I don't have
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: a um. If you're asking if it's like a some
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: kind of moral um, you know, I can kill small
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: animals but not big animals because they're big and furry
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: or something like that, I don't have that. No, that
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: was what I was asking. I get that, I understand that,
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: and I know that that exists. But um, maybe I
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: get out there and I wouldn't want to do it.
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I've never tried it, you know, but
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: I'm interested in it and I like to meet, so
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: i'd like to. Dave's growing a garden too, so I
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: feel like he's just he's now he's just words of
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: the land. Yeah, yeah, the whole New Dave. You've taken
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: up gardening. I did New New Gardener Gardener's Garden before,
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: but it has been a long time. What what speaking
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: do you do You feel in your head that there's
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: a connection between gardening and and fishing and garden hunting
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: and providing. Yeah, as far as providing your own food,
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: making your own food in a certain way, I do
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: see that connection and I like that activity. I'm not
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 1: much of a romantic gardener and I gotta spend hours
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: out there. I don't really get a lot of joy
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: from the process of keeping it up. I do. I
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: do like it, but it's not like I wouldn't say
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: it's a hobby for me. It's simply just to get
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: the food out of the ground. Maybe that's more of
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: a farm like it's like transactional. Yeah, I think so.
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 1: I mean I get it. I like the process of it,
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: you know. But I I feel like the people I
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: think of as gardeners are very much gardeners. Does that
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: make sense, Like they're know, it's like an art form
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 1: for them, and I don't have that with gardening for me,
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: you know. But I do really enjoy going the food
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: and and uh bring it inside. And what I've seen
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: when those two paths crossed though, and boy did this
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: guy reaps some freaking products. It was in It was
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: in old town Fort Collins, Colorado, and the neighbor there
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 1: was no yard. He might have had a little side
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 1: yard with some grass, but pretty much the yard was
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: this his garden, but it was run like a farm,
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: and I think he I think he was a son
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 1: of maybe potato farmers out of Ida something like. He
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: was definitely came off of farm. But I mean he's
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: the only guy I've ever seen any gardener for that
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: matter that like when stuff got planted, there was the strings,
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 1: you know, running down the whole thing, and this thing,
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 1: I don't know it is maybe forty by forty ft
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: or something like that, but I mean, just like everything
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: packed in deep, and like people would walk by, they
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 1: would definitely come and do the loop when they were
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: walking their dogs. It was going for the neighborhood walk
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: to walk by this guy's garden because when it was
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 1: going off, it was just so impressive. And I feel
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: like that guy he definitely wasn't like a gardener because
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: that was like his thing, but he did it to
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: such a level that you would have thought he was
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: became a gardener. Yeah, just reaped. Yeah. I think I
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: was thinking about a lot late, like why because I've
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: always gone way out of my way to make sure
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: to have some sort of garden and I think there's
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 1: a big part of like forcing your will. I would
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: never tell this to my garden, but there's like a
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: thing about like forcing your will upon something like I
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: almost have this sort of adverte like I have like
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: this almost adversarial like this land wants to be grasped,
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 1: but I'm gonna make it tomatoes. It's like I am waging, yes,
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 1: like I am waging a sort of battle. It's not
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: always loving. It's not always loving. It's sometimes is anger
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: and like retribution, and like it's not loving. Parts of
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 1: it are. Parts of it are um like I am
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 1: the reaper and I am the sewer playing god. Our
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 1: mornings are starting to like you can feel there a
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: little bit cold, right, So I I made the decision
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 1: to impose my will on my tomato planets because I'm
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 1: starting to fear that the payout that I've been awaiting
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 1: patiently until now, it's not going to happen. It's not
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 1: gonna happen. So I went out there with my shears
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 1: and just cut them way back, so they put all
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 1: their energy into that's the theory, right, do you make
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 1: me fruit? Now? Yeah? I am the sower. I am
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: the I didn't the wrong order earlier. I am the
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 1: sewer and I am the reaper, and I make the calls. Here.
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 1: He got that little box that you can be that guy.
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 1: To contrast that, I have a planner, like above ground planner,
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 1: and I put a bunch of stuff in there, and
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: no matter how I tried, the squash is taken over.
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: It's like, screw you, Maggie. Like I'm killing everything else
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: and I'm happy for the squash with man, am I
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: sad for everything else in your garden? Oh yeah, So
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 1: my spin ine is gone, I lettuce is going, and
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 1: I'm just like every day like I'm kind of like
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: resentful to the squash right now, even though it's like
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 1: so happy that I gave it a spot, but it
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 1: likes screw you. You know how we feel about winners.
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: I was gonna ask about Minnesota winner being people like
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 1: non residents of Minnesota, right always look at Minnesota being
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: like such a polar, terrible place in the winter, and
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 1: you know it's being someone from Minnesota. I love winter
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 1: like it's like in my I was gonna ask if
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 1: you liked it, because it's like something that I look
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 1: forward to every year and everyone gets so sad about summer.
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: But man, do I freaking just summer? There is is
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 1: I'm sure that general favorite, but man, it's hot and
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: humid and buggy, and it's my least favorite time to
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 1: be out, you know, in the woods or whatever. But
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: spring and fall and not in winters. I think winter
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: is great. I'm always ready for it. I'm you know,
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 1: I when it's on its way, I get super excited
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: about it, and I'm always ready for it to be done.
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 1: When it's done, I just like I like the progress
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: of the season's I think I'm always really excited about
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: the next one. My grandpa was a pathologist at one point,
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: um in Minneapolis when he came out of Creighton Medical School,
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 1: and and his first job was as a pathologist in Minneapolis.
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 1: And and uh he described, um, Minneapolis summers is when
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 1: the old Scandinavians die. Yeah, there's a certain pride there.
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 1: But I mean, you guys pretty cold out here in
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 1: the winter too, you know, I would say it's not
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 1: definitely Yeah, it's maybe a different kind of culd too.
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: I don't know. We're at this dude. Uh, there's this
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 1: guy fished with for this. We have the fishing show
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: called doss boat and this, And we fished with a
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 1: guy I know from Michigan named Grant Galie, and he
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 1: were at his house where he grew up. Like his mother.
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: He was born in the house. His mother was born
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 1: in the house, maybe his grandmo. They've been there here forever,
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 1: like they got all these wooden crosses where they buried
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: all these dogs over the years. Yeah, it looks like
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 1: a like a dog arm ageddon, but it was spread
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 1: out over a long time, like a like a big
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 1: pet cemetery. He was showing me this old man across
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 1: the road. Who's this lonely old man? And the guy
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 1: had tilled up this patch of ground and planted all
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: flowers and this patch of ground, and he expressed a
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 1: grant that he felt as though, um, women would stop
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 1: to admire these flowers, and that he would use it
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 1: as in to talk to him. Did you say if
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 1: it had worked. I don't know if it had worked.
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 1: He had just there was this big patch of flowers
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 1: and that's what he had expressed. This. The same dude
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 1: told me these two other like a couple of other
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 1: stories where um, he was telling me about these friends
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 1: of his redown in Iowa and in Iowa. If you
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: should hit a deer with your you can't blood track
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 1: a deer onto someone else's property without permission. So his
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 1: body hits a deer and the deer's bleeding like holy helmet,
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 1: gets over a fence and he goes around to the
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 1: guy and says, like, do you mind if I tracked
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 1: my dear onto your property? And the guy won't let
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 1: him do it, but he knows the deer's gotta be
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 1: dead because how good he hit it. So he goes
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: and gets uh game warden to come out and help
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 1: him with the whole situation. And the game warden gets
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 1: the landowner who won't let him go on his property,
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 1: and they're having this little conference and they go over
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 1: to the fence line where the blood trail vanished, and
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 1: the game warden says to the landowner, he says, I'm
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 1: gonna follow this blood trail, and this blood trader will
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 1: better end at a dead deer and that dear better
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 1: not be gutted. And the landowner turns him and says, um,
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 1: let's just go to the barn already there it was
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 1: a very nice buck dead in the dude's barn. Yeah,
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 1: the guy got it, got it for him. I guess
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 1: I have to take it back, right. I'm sure that's
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 1: not even I mean, it can't be common, but it
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 1: probably happens. It was a good story, man, he told me.
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 1: He also told me, Um, we're standing and I'm like,
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 1: no ship. Your mom was born in this house, you know.
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 1: And he said the biggest party I have ever been
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 1: to that I've ever even seen in my entire life
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 1: was right here. And he said he said it was
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 1: the parking at his party when his mom was out
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 1: of town. He equated it to the county fair. This
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 1: is the guy in Michigan, Dude. I'm gonna tell you
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 1: the last story, he told me, Um, and then you're
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 1: gonna have to get out your guitar. The last story
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 1: he told me, it was there's some duty knows like
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 1: I could be I might mess up. A part of
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 1: the story was basically, a guy had a boat stored
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 1: at a place Okay, and he doesn't pay his boat
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 1: storage fee to the point where he owes four thousand
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 1: dollars for storing the boat. But the boats more valuable
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 1: the boat storage owner. Um, besides, he's gonna sell the boat,
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 1: but it's to get his money back. But the boat's
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 1: worth a lot more than four dollars. My friend comes
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 1: in to catch and argument where the owner of the
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 1: the original owner of the boat is saying, if you
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 1: sell that boat, I get every dime over what I
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 1: owe you, and my boy is saying the boats power
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 1: was like nine tho. So the guys like, sure, sell
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 1: the boat, get your four back, but the five is mine.
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: And the argument gets so heated that the guy turns
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 1: around and sells my body the boat for exactly the
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 1: amount of the guy owed him. Sells it for four Yes,
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 1: just as a must, just stick it to him. Yeah,
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 1: and then he fished that boat for years. I haven't
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 1: messed up any grand stories, but I might have messed
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 1: that one up. But it's basically the groove of that story. Yeah,
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 1: that's that's a great This guy has wonderful You should
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 1: write songs all these things. I'm telling you, write a book.
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: It sounds like you should write a song called um
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 1: the boat deal, the boat and the flower bed the
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 1: pet cemetery. That is the whole damn album. It's like
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 1: a beautiful landscape. Okay, uh, can you get out your
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 1: guitar now? Yeah? I want people to hear yeah, sing
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 1: with me? No, yeah, a little I'm kicking. H What
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 1: what you need to do if you're if you're up
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: for it? Okay, how scruciating is this? I mean, I
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: don't I don't care, man, because this is how what
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 1: you gotta do. Man, this is music in the time
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 1: of COVID. I don't mind. You have to first play
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 1: a little teeny snippet of Maggie's favorite one of Megan's
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 1: favorite tunes. Okay, right now, have you ever done snippets before?
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 1: I know, I don't what you know what I did
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: do snippets once? We got asked to play at a
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 1: Minnesota Twins baseball game, and we would play thirty eight
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 1: seconds or whatever whenever they have a picture change or
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 1: they go to somewhere else. The point of us being
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 1: there was to sing take me out to the ball game.
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: But we did all these little and it would be
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 1: a little little speaker there in a voice would come
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 1: in and be like four seconds and we have to
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 1: figure out how to stop the song, and anottle song
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 1: with no rehearsal, because if we had no idea of
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 1: the time, they wouldn't say you're playing for thirty five seconds.
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 1: They just say you play until the guy gives you
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 1: the warning. But the hook was that you were gonna
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 1: do a great version of a great arousing rendition of
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 1: take Me out to Them. And it was super fun.
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 1: But I grew up a lifelong Twins fans, so it's
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 1: kind of a little kid moment for me. You know.
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 1: We got to we actually got to do the national
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 1: anthem at one of the playoffs games there this year two,
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 1: which is the scariest thing I've ever done in my life.
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 1: I think maybe should do that. Oh my god. That's
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 1: the problem with it is I'm not really physically able
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 1: to sing that song, but I you know, went for
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 1: it and it worked out okay, I think, But it
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 1: was it's a lot of pressure on that song in
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 1: that environment. You know. Um, you know the band's Silver Jews.
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 1: I do. Yeah, he's got a great line, he said,
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 1: is all my favorite singers couldn't sing. He's kind of
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 1: a talkie singer. Uh yeah, I said it when he passed. Man,
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 1: it was a great band, yeah, he kind of. Yeah,
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 1: just not longer. I I mean on that band maybe
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 1: five years or something. Band we were on the road
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 1: with us, playing some of their music backstage, and like
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 1: this is great American Waters, like American Water. I think
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 1: it's one of the Yeah, that's cool. It's twenty best
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 1: albums Country band like that. Okay, Midnight on the Interstate. Okay,
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, you gotta say. Can you say this one
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 1: goes out to Maggie? All right, this one's from Maggie.
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 1: You said this one goes out to Maggie. No late
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: night night on the Interstate. And I didn't feel so
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 1: great until I saw the city and I was younger
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 1: and open like a child. Man. It's been a while
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 1: since I felt that way. More and more hesitate because
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Does that seem like a snippet? Oh?
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 1: That was great snippet. Okay, the medley continues. All right,
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 1: here's winners. I can remember it. There were dreams on
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 1: a full moon night, black hole in the middle level
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 1: light and feels's times, and we were feeling all right,
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 1: and we were breaking down the wall a dirty little basement,
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 1: intellect you guitar, sound of the river in the pines
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 1: and the star. We drank a little too much here,
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 1: we take it too far. Well, but most of us
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 1: ride so much coming out there's nothing going in with
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 1: your skirt above your knee and your murderous grin. I
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 1: tell me that you're not leading. You're standing there so
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 1: literal and free, writing pretty poems and ruining me. It
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 1: took a little time of baby now see at the
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 1: end is always near. And I was sleeping on a
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 1: couch where the shivering dog practice in my speeches and
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 1: steady and along. Nothing in the cover but a hammer
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 1: and a saw and some nails to drive it home.
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 1: So much coming out there's nothing going in. Yeah, I
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 1: can write it down, but that would be a sin.
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 1: And you know how I feel about sitting. But Charlie's
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 1: on stage in the roof make laps. No one seems
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 1: to word about the light and the gaps of the
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 1: walls painted yellow in paper with mats. Nevermind us, It's
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 1: time to move on. A pretty little city built on
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 1: a hillside. It's music in the bars and fire in
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 1: the sky. So we went to the beach and it
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 1: was covered in ice, and I used to call it
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 1: home so much coming out there's nothing going in. Yeah,
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 1: I know that you feel like you're never gonna win
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 1: all but the world won't forgive winner all right, made
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 1: it through. Thank you, how awesome man. Thank you very much. Man,
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 1: that was beautiful. Okay, So you didn't make any jingle
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 1: off this performance tonight today this morning, I said, you know,
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 1: how do people support you? Everybody just got a free song.
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 1: Everybody just got a free song. So how do how
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 1: do fans support you? Right now? If if a fan
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 1: wants to support they can they can head over to
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 1: my website at dead Man Winter dot com or trampled
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 1: by Turtles dot com. Um, take a look at the
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 1: store and see if there's anything you like. Um and
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 1: and and you know what we're talking about with streaming
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 1: before it helps too. So if you you know, whenever
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 1: you throw that on there, it's it's all. It all
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 1: adds up, you know. And then what what what are
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 1: you most proud of right now? Like if people wanted
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 1: to go check you out, what should they to get
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 1: the most current snippet of what you're up to? What
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 1: should people go listen to it? I put a solo
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 1: record out just under my name, Dave Simonette Simonette, however
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 1: you want to say it, um, yeah, that I released
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  Speaker 1: at the end of March, so I never really got
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  Speaker 1: to do anything with it. It never The told tour
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  Speaker 1: was canceled. Um oh yeah, I mean yeah, so that
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  Speaker 1: march didn't happened. It's called Redtail and you can check
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  Speaker 1: that out if you like. Do you did? You figure
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  Speaker 1: you just wait a few years and try again and
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  Speaker 1: re release it. It's kind of on pause right now.
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  Speaker 1: I think maybe I don't know. No, I mean, it's
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  Speaker 1: it's out if you can't take it back. But I
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  Speaker 1: only pick it up and tour it when you can
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  Speaker 1: tour it exactly. I hope to make up the tour. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so Redtail is a good thing for people to go
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  Speaker 1: listen to. What what what's the like? If people are
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  Speaker 1: interested and Trampled by Turtles? What's like? What's the like?
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  Speaker 1: The thing that you'd most eagerly point people to? I
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  Speaker 1: usually like the newest thing, So for me it'd be
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  Speaker 1: I our latest record, Life is Good on the Open Road,
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  Speaker 1: which came out a couple of years ago. Okay, so
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  Speaker 1: I should check that out, please do. Are you on
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  Speaker 1: social media? Can people find you on social media? Dave? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: at Dead Band Winter and TBT dluth for Trampled by Turtles.
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  Speaker 1: Are you active on there? Yeah? Kind of you put
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  Speaker 1: hunting pictures on there? You good for you? Yeah? Thanks
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  Speaker 1: again for coming in. Yeah. Thanks. I appreciate the song.
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  Speaker 1: Its beautiful. I really appreciate all of it, fishing trip, everything.
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  Speaker 1: It's been a it's been a great couple of days here.
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  Speaker 1: We'll good come back. I will thank you.