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Top 10 Defensemen for 2025-2026 · Banger Management - Fantasy Hockey Podcast

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  Canada. But yeah, today, today is a good
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  one, a very fun one. Today we're doing our top 10
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  defensemen for the 2526 fantasy hockey season.
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  A lot of interesting content over here because this can be
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  very leak exciting dependent nevertheless or bringing new
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  value for bangers leagues focus. But I think that these translate
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  to every single league you're in.
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  I think the defenseman Top 10 is honestly one of the more
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  interesting ones because we have some kind of guys.
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  I feel the tears are kind of separated more this year.
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  They were last year. Last year we had a bunch of guys
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  that everybody was excited about, and this year I feel like
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  everybody has a couple more questions or asterisks next to
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  their name, so it's gonna be 1. Yeah, for sure.
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  OK, so let us begin with our. Honorable Mentions.
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  Yes, nice. All right, our honorable
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  mentions for the top defensemen, we've got Shea Theodore, Lane
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  Hudson, Dougie Hamilton, Adam Fox and Josh Morrissey.
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  Who is the favorite and who is the biggest surprise?
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  This surprised that he's on there or.
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  Someone who is not on the top ten?
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  I guess so. No, no.
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  The favorite would be the one who you're like, he could sneak
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  in the top ten. Who's the biggest surprise that
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  he made it and who's the biggest?
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  Who's your favorite of these? Who could have snuck onto the
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  top 10? I think my my favorite guy that
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  I would rather that I would want to have on this list that isn't
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  in the top ten. It's tough between Doggy and
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  Adam Fox in my opinion, just because I feel like those are
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  the ones that have the highest points upside.
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  Dougie does shoot Falkland is having on my team because he has
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  like 0 peripherals, but I do believe in the Rangers bounce
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  back this year. So at, you know, the right
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  price, I would want him on my team just for that power play
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  exposure and the points threshold.
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  All these guys are kind of similar archetype, right?
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  Just, you know, not much category coverage, but you're
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  getting some shots and mostly just like P1.
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  Yeah, I think that's why they didn't crack our top ten, right,
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  is yeah, they're getting the points, but they're really not
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  contributing elsewhere and they're not necessarily the top
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  top points guys. So.
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  So yeah, I think my favorite is also Fox of these 5, because we
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  do all believe in the Rangers bounce back.
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  Yeah. And again, once you're going for
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  a guy with this archetype, you're just looking for a guy
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  who's gonna get the most points. And I think out of these five,
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  he probably gets the most. But I'm also really on New
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  Jersey, though. I feel like New Jersey.
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  Hamilton has has that Luke Hughes, like sniffing at his
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  heels, you know, like Fox doesn't have that.
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  So to me, like, I don't think it would be out of the realm of
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  possibility that he takes the power play.
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  I don't think it's likely. But we've seen it happen two
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  years ago, you know, So it's definitely out there.
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  So I'm definitely wary of Hamilton for that reason.
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  The thing is, 2 years ago they saw it happen because it was
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  like his rookie year and they wanted to make it happen.
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  Then it didn't work out at all. And then the year after they
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  were like, alright, well let's. Just run it now.
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  He's got two years under his belt.
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  He's more mature as a defenseman and as inhaler.
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  I don't know. I'm still, I'm still happy to
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  take Dog on my team and he's still an honorable mention.
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  But versus him versus Fox, to me it's easy Fox because he doesn't
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  have that question mark. If Doggie keeps the P1 the whole
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  season, I think he's out. I think he finishes probably top
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  10 defensemen. It's just, yeah, like you said,
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  Duques question definitely, you know, impacts his his fantasy
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  value and that's why it's not on the top 10.
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  Yep, Jakey. I'm gonna go lay in.
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  I like lane. You're crazy, Homer.
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  Homer. Not as if foxes back categories
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  are so much better than the Hudsons.
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  Though, right? No, none of.
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  Those locker cats. So lucky those shoot.
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  I was gonna say, other than doggy shooting, none of these
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  guys really do bad cats. Yeah, I mean, I I also feel like
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  him not getting picked for Team USA kind of lived a little bit
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  of a fire under his behind. And you know, 66 points in 82
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  games in his rookie season is just so fire.
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  And he wasn't lucky one for most of that.
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  That's true. Exactly, exactly.
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  And there's no way develops and takes that.
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  We've spoken about that extensively.
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  So I think that's huge. Fox to me is like right there
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  with him. And I think those two are kind
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  of above the rest, which is so fun.
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  I think mostly just talked me into Hudson as.
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  Yeah, welcome to the of. I was like if next year there's
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  any guys that are under honorable mentions that I could
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  see being in the top ten and probably be Fox and Hudson and
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  then we probably maybe you know, the guys in the top 9:50 to 6:00
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  on this list be bumped off potentially.
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  It is nice to see though that once we get into the top ten,
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  you can see there's a clear difference between those back
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  categories and that's kind of what boosts all these guys.
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  I do believe that hunting and fox can finish higher than
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  decent amount of these guys on the list, but for points
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  specifically nevertheless for bangers, I mean this, this top
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  ten list is strong. So let's begin with. #10.
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  And #10 we've got the bane of my existence from last year, but.
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  Also alliteration. Nothing.
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  But also one of the biggest studs in terms of handsomeness
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  in the league, Roman Yosi of the National Predators.
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  He definitely gives Ben Sharat a run for his money.
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  With his looks, but definitely. One of the most polarizing
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  players this year. Yeah, last year you put up .72
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  points per game .32 power play points, 2.8 shots, 1.8 blocks.
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  Until last year he was a second round pick.
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  Like no questions asked. Everyone knew that he was top
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  three defence went off the board.
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  But we've talked about OC a lot on the podcast.
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  You know, he had a pretty brutal year last year.
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  It ended with a huge injury and he's a year older.
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  The injuries lingering, we don't know what to expect.
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  So that's why he's dropped down all the way to the top to #10
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  but he's still an amazing shooter and an amazing point
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  guy. I mean, power play still firing
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  on all cylinders even though the team sucked.
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  So. So yeah, what do you guys think?
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  I mean, listen, I'm paying like a lot of attention to what
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  people are talking about in regards to Yoshi, and I don't
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  see many people worried about the injury too much.
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  I feel like we're not gonna say we're the only ones on it, but I
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  think we're the only ones really taking it into account this much
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  because people still have them as like a top five defenseman.
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  But the injury really seems like it's gonna be something's gonna
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  nag him the whole season with potential, you know, game
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  breaking downside with him just being shut down if Nashville is
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  still bad, right. So I feel like it's just too.
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  Risky. I don't see why you would take
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  the risk if people are taking it like a top five defensemen, why
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  you would take the risk on him over the next nine guys were
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  about to mention you. Know and it's not only just the
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  risk with the injury, but it's also like he's 35.
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  He had his worst season of the of his career like in in recent
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  years last year. Like .72 points is not anything
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  to write home about in terms of like fantasy defence.
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  Like there's a lot of guys that are doing that and, and, and
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  staying healthy and not giving you like a headache.
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  So I think #10 is honestly reasonable.
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  Like I could see him being taken higher and he'll pay off if he's
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  healthy the whole year. He plays 82 games and Nashville
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  is not as bad as last year, but I just don't want to take the
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  risk that high. Yeah, that's a a fair
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  assessment. I think I, I will, I would feed
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  him at his cost. But obviously if the price is
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  right, the price is right. His back categories are decent.
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  Like there's nothing wrong with that.
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  So I still like his floor when he plays, and that's the biggest
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  asterisk. Mean he's one of the best
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  shooters as a defenseman so and even when he had his down year
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  last year 2.8 shots as a defenseman is.
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  Great, that's pretty elite. He should be over three like
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  technically. No, it's fantastic.
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  It's just, you know, if he, if he can't get over 60 games this
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  year because he has to, you know, load manage, if you will,
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  that's what the Preds are gonna elect to do.
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  And that's a really tough spot to be as his fantasy owner,
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  right? That's why, I mean, part of the
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  reason that I was speaking about injury prone guys last week is
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  because of these situations. It's a really big headache to
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  try to manage this year, like week in and week out having
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  these players. And if it's a fluke like Bark,
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  Alvin Hughes, I get it, you don't wanna fade them.
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  It's just been bad luck. But you'll see.
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  It's literally known to be a nagging injury.
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  So I'd certainly fade at cost. Nevertheless, like he does have
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  the pedigree to be on this list and I think 10 is the really
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  good spot for him. Is there anybody in the
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  honorable mentions that you come draft time like you'd be willing
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  to take over him? I just think the upside of him,
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  of the entry not being as bad as we think, it's too high to take
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  any of the honorable mentions over him because if he does, you
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  know, play the entire season, he's gonna get you 3 plus shots
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  on goal, almost two blocks and he's gonna get you the points
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  and power play points. So I just think that the upside
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  is there. So I wouldn't take any of the
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  honorable mentions over him. I don't know what you guys
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  think. Yeah.
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  So frankly, I, I, I think I would just take a forward
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  instead, you know what I mean? Like so.
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  So no, I wouldn't, but I would just I I'm what's his ADP,
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  right? Now, yeah, I was gonna say his
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  ADP right now is 60.5. The guys that are going around
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  him forward wise, Sebastian Aho is right behind him in ADP 62.5.
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  And this is like basic Yahoo ADP, you know, like standard
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  kind of just Yahoo default settings.
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  Yeah, it's a whole wide Johnston, Dylan Larkin, easy.
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  These are guys going after him. Technically in ADP before him,
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  you got a bunch of goalies. You have cold Cofield know
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  Brandon Hagel, his ADP have 54, Adrian Kempe.
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  So he's like right in that zone where he's probably going to be
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  like a fifth round pick in terms of like 80 people in a standard
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  like 12 team league. I don't know if I take him
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  there. No, yeah, there's no way.
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  It feels like there's too many, yeah, there's too many sure
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  things there to take a risk. Like the only reason is let's
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  say you spent your first four picks on non defensemen and he's
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  the best defenseman available. You're like, I need to take ad
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  at #5 Then you know, I could see it.
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  But. Are you comfortable with him as
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  as your first defenseman for your team fantasy team?
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  During the team, yeah. But like, if I'm a I think at
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  that point I'd rather just go for points upside and like a
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  Cofield and take a Agoutis later on and just just enforce my back
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  categories. Yeah, there's also something to
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  be said for sure. OK, So in general, you mean
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  like, I, I mean, I, I guess, but still not at that cost.
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  Like I would just rather all those guys for sure.
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  There's also something to be said about a 35 year old, which
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  is not young for the NHL, adjusting his tile of play in
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  order to mitigate the injury, right?
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  Who knows how effective he's actually going to be like these.
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  That doesn't show up on the stat sheet, but it is something
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  that's relevant to how he performs.
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  Yeah. One like you see.
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  This. This young stud over here with
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  the best first name in the NHL unbiased we have. #9 #9 We have
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  Jake Sanderson of the Ottawa Senators.
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  Last year he put up .71 points per game, .38 power play points,
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  2.4 shots and two blocks. That's like compared to like
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  compared to Yoshi, you know, like points wise, they had the
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  same points per game, power play points.
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  Anderson had more shots there, like around the same blocks
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  around the same, you know, but like Yoshi's like on the
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  downtrend and Sanderson is on the uptrend.
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  You know, like you're seeing Yoshi.
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  This is his worst season yet. Sandersons like his best season
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  yet. But like there's more to come.
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  The entire team is getting better.
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  He's getting better and it's just a super, super exciting
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  pickup and I think everyone kind of knows about him.
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  I don't think he's like, you know, some sneaky one, but maybe
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  his name values not there with some of the big is just yet and
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  you can get him at A at a kind of a steal in the draft.
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  Absolutely. Yeah, I completely agree.
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  I think he's gonna return and then someone draft value.
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  Also, if you're in a keeper league like I'm in one where I
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  have him, I think pick 10 from last year, I would
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  wholeheartedly consider keeping him.
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  He's in a great position to succeed on the Senators team
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  that all three of us believe in. I think we're all super hyped
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  about what we think they're going to do this year.
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  More on that in our Atlantic Vision breakdown, Atlantic
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  Division breakdown that's going to drop later this week.
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  But yeah, category coverage is their points are there.
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  And a small little anecdote, three seasons in the NHL, he's
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  played 7779 and 80 games. That's like pretty resilient,
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  you know, in that that's a good sign.
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  Yeah, I think the biggest thing that stands out to me when you
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  look at his stats from last years is power play production,
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  .38 power play points and .72 overall points.
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  That means he's getting over half of his points are on the
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  power play, which just tells US1 Ottawa has an elite power play.
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  He's integral to that power play.
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  And we all expect Ottawa to take a jump from last year to this
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  year. Like we saw them already
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  improved tremendously last year and be like a quote UN quote,
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  like a playoff contender type of team.
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  And this year we, I mean, a lot of people are picking on just be
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  in the playoffs this year, right?
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  So I think it all fuels like funnels through Sanderson as
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  like the offensive defenseman on this team.
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  If the other guys on this team take a step up, Ottawa in
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  general will be much better. I can see him be a point per
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  game and averaging .35 power play points and it just be like
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  a month or year for Jake Sanderson.
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  He's his ADP is in the realm of the honorable mentions that we
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  mentioned, not in this top 10. So I think out of all the guys
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  that were going to talk about today, he's the guy getting
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  drafted the latest and he's the guy that potentially may take
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  the highest jump in value going into next season.
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  Yeah, he's gonna be really, really good pick.
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  I think .72 is floored this year.
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  Yeah, same. Not give it away, but I would
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  rather him over this next guy as my one defenseman.
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  Like I understand why the next guy is the next guy.
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  We'll get to it in a second. Nevertheless, I'm super, super
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  high on him and he was drafted to be the guy and he's
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  delivering as the guy, right? Like and that's he's young.
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  He's he's 23 years old. I mean the defenseman only tend
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  to peak when they're older anyways, so it just seems like
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  it's all uphill. The fact that he's only 23, I
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  did not realize that. Yeah, crazy.
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  Because we headed down the pipeline for awhile and the fact
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  that it finally has come to fruition and there's still so
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  much upside. That's it.
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  The next few years, he's just gonna keep climbing and climbing
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  in these draft rankings. Yep, the 2020 draft, they they
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  had that like amazing pick because you know, when they
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  traded Carl Eric Carlson years before to the Sharks, they ended
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  up basically like on the Sharks ended up not being good.
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  Whatever. Senators had three and five that
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  year and they took Stitzel and Sanderson.
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  This was 2020, which was supposed to be known as the
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  Lafreniere Giraffe, but it's shaping up to be the Sanderson
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  Stitzel draft. We'll see what happens this
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  year, but yeah, I love it. So let's move on to. #8.
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  Great. We've got Victor Hedman of the
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  Tampa Bay Lightning. Last year he put up .84 points
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  per game, .33 power play points, 2.3 shots and 1.7 blocks.
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  And it's hard not to like the power play.
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  One quarterback who gets to play with Kucherov, he chips in in
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  shots and blocks and just has a great point ceiling because you
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  got to play with arguably the best points guy in the league.
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  You're going to benefit from it. Yeah, but two, Dickey's point, I
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  feel like it's definitely very close with Sanderson and Hedman.
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  I think the edge just you give it to Hedman because he plays
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  with the guy who might win the art Ross again.
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  Um, and at any point, you know, the power play can pop off.
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  I will say though, with with headman, there's definitely an
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  asterisk, asterisk next to it next to his name, because we saw
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  last year he had kind of slumps of production where he just
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  wasn't delivering on his draft capital.
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  So I wouldn't be surprised if we have that again this year.
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  But I think everybody on this podcast is pretty high on Tampa
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  going into this year with them having the least questions in
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  terms of, you know, staying at the top in in their division.
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  I could see Sanderson overtaking him this year, but for the
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  moment, going into the drafts, I think Hedman deserves the edge.
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  Yeah, I say for bad. Yeah, it's a safer bet because
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  like in our heads, we're projecting Sanderson to do what
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  had been already done multiple times.
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  But I will say, so like pure value wise, I'm going Hedman,
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  but value at where you can draft them, I'm taking Sanderson
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  because if you can get Sanderson like a round or two after
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  Headman gets taken, that's huge. Like Hedman in the 4th or
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  Sanderson in the 5th. Give me Sanderson in the. 5th
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  yeah, 100%. So it really just depends on
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  your league and where they're getting drafted.
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  I think Hedman still has a name value where people are gonna
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  reach on him. Not necessarily quote UN quote
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  reach on him, but like they know he's a proven power play 1
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  defence, been one of the best teams in the league.
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  He will get drafted. You know somebody will be
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  looking down their ADP when the run on defenseman goes and
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  they'll probably select them before Sanderson, but sounds it
• 18:48
  might be the better pick at the end of the day.
• 18:51
  He plays with cultural and cultural can drop 140 points, so
• 18:54
  you want exposure to that. Yeah, the coach is why we're
• 18:58
  like one of the reasons we're also like super high on Hagel
• 19:00
  like for this year, like with him transitioning to the power
• 19:03
  play 1 and there's no question that had been is the guy.
• 19:06
  I mean, if you look at his stats, there were some years
• 19:09
  where he had quote, UN quote down year and that's when
• 19:13
  Sergachev was the power play guy, right?
• 19:16
  I don't see that happening with anybody on their roster right
• 19:19
  now. Like they don't have anyone
• 19:21
  who's gonna take that power, play one him, I mean.
• 19:23
  There's some say give some respect to Darren Radish out
• 19:27
  here. Yeah.
• 19:28
  Oh my God, yeah. It's just the reason I'm
• 19:30
  encouraged for Hedman is because they've tried it with radish and
• 19:34
  it doesn't. Last year was scary because we
• 19:37
  did see Reddish have that P1 for like a couple weeks here and
• 19:41
  there and I had traded for Hedman and did not see any
• 19:45
  return for a few weeks. So definitely scary.
• 19:48
  But I mean, he's the guy. It's it's Victor Hedman, you
• 19:50
  know, Yeah. And they?
• 19:51
  Do it. It doesn't stay though, like
• 19:53
  with him, you know, like it doesn't stay with radish.
• 19:56
  Whereas with with Sergachev, that was that was annoying.
• 19:59
  Yeah, like Victor and not loser, you know.
• 20:02
  Exactly. Good point, Josh.
• 20:04
  We didn't even mention that. Yes.
• 20:05
  Yeah. And there's a reason Daren is
• 20:08
  radish and not turnip. Exactly because when they need
• 20:13
  it most, he doesn't turn up. Let's go.
• 20:18
  Got it. I didn't even get it when I
• 20:19
  said. It I got you.
• 20:21
  We finish each other's sandwiches.
• 20:24
  There you go. Oh man, yeah.
• 20:30
  Wow, thank you for that. You.
• 20:31
  You really helped me with the recovery.
• 20:33
  I did not know where it was. Alright, cool, let's move on to
• 20:40
  the next one. #7. At #7 we've got Mackenzie Weeger
• 20:46
  of the Calgary Flames. Last year he put up .58 points
• 20:50
  per game .26 power play points, 2.3 shots, 2.8 hits, 2.4 blocks.
• 20:56
  That's the old 222. close to three on the hits here.
• 21:00
  He's here for the bad cats, he's here for the back cats while
• 21:03
  also being a power play one quarterback.
• 21:05
  He's obviously even with that deployment, he's not the biggest
• 21:07
  points down the list, but when you have a guy who's
• 21:09
  contributing 2 plus on all three of those bad categories and
• 21:13
  getting you points in power play points, it's hard not to love
• 21:16
  him. Obviously the biggest question
• 21:17
  is can he keep that power play one?
• 21:20
  I know people are questioning if Perec could come in as a rookie
• 21:23
  and take that spot from him, but like, even without the power
• 21:27
  play he's still putting up those crazy back cats.
• 21:29
  So he's still someone you're super happy to have on your
• 21:32
  team. Obviously that is something to
• 21:33
  consider, but he's still one of the top defensemen in the
• 21:36
  league. Yeah, I think.
• 21:38
  Definitely see him. Sorry, go.
• 21:39
  Ahead, no, OK, the biggest thing with with, you know, Uyghur is
• 21:44
  he's one of the most elite banger category defensemen.
• 21:47
  And this is really where we see the just the banger influence
• 21:51
  come into come into play here. But I don't know if Calgary is a
• 21:57
  top power play team or they're like a middle of the pack power
• 21:59
  play and they might also split their kind of power play units
• 22:02
  as well. So that's something to keep in
• 22:04
  mind. If Pereg or Anderson takes that
• 22:07
  spot, obviously he loses some value, but he's still one of the
• 22:09
  guys that always has the strong foundation of being the category
• 22:12
  monster is just where you draft him.
• 22:14
  Does he? Is it worth taking a guy like
• 22:16
  that if he's gonna get like .45 points and like .10 power play
• 22:21
  points if he's on P2, quote, UN quote, let's say?
• 22:24
  Obviously that's not what we believe and that's why he's so
• 22:26
  high up on our rankings. But it's definitely something to
• 22:28
  keep in mind. I think Rasmus Anderson can get
• 22:30
  traded. I don't think Paris is ready for
• 22:32
  the NHL. So I'm comfortable taking a
• 22:34
  weaker where he's going in drafts and I think he's like an
• 22:36
  elite cornerstone asset to have in like your fantasy drafts,
• 22:40
  specifically in Bangor leagues. Obviously that's what we're
• 22:43
  facing here. Yeah, so if you look, since he
• 22:48
  got traded to Calgary, weighers had 21 minutes, 23 minutes and
• 22:51
  24 minutes of ice time if Anderson.
• 22:55
  Leader Games. Per game last season that would
• 22:58
  be That would be quite the hourly wage.
• 23:05
  So. Sign me up.
• 23:06
  Yeah, per game. And those three seasons he he's
• 23:09
  played basically a full season, which is amazing to see.
• 23:12
  You know, at that point, I would say ice time for him is even
• 23:17
  more valuable than power play one.
• 23:19
  If Anderson does get traded and Weiger goes to like 27 minutes
• 23:24
  of ice time per night, I would almost rather that than him
• 23:28
  having power play one. Of course, if he has both,
• 23:30
  that's like incredible. And then I think he shoots up on
• 23:32
  this list up to the like, you know, number four or five.
• 23:36
  But if even if he gets it away, like I think Anderson going and
• 23:41
  weaker, just stepping into an even bigger role is a huge
• 23:43
  catalyst for it to him to succeed even more.
• 23:45
  And if none of those things happen, if he's still on power
• 23:50
  play 2 and Anderson stays on the team but he's still getting 24
• 23:54
  minutes of ice time, that I'm still happy with him where he's
• 23:56
  ranked on this list. His like it just feels like just
• 23:59
  super. Hot, Amazing.
• 24:00
  Exactly. It's fantastic.
• 24:03
  So I feel like if you dropped him, he's one of those guys that
• 24:06
  he's safe, it's a good pick and there's nowhere he could go but
• 24:10
  up. The thing is like you're going
• 24:12
  in and you're drafting him right?
• 24:13
  And last year he put up, he had power on all year.
• 24:15
  He put up like .6 points, right? So you draft him expecting that
• 24:18
  .6 points like .25 power play points and then the crazy
• 24:21
  bangers. You know, let's say he loses the
• 24:23
  power play once, but let's say he drops down to .4 points per
• 24:25
  game from the .6, you know, but he still putting up those elite
• 24:28
  bangers. You're not like, I can't believe
• 24:30
  I took this guy, you know, like that .2 points is the entire
• 24:32
  difference. But in his value it's like no,
• 24:34
  he's still winning. You like 3 cats a week, you
• 24:37
  know, Like it's just, he's the type of guy you just look at his
• 24:40
  like game sheet after every game and you're just like smiling
• 24:43
  that he's on your team or you're playing against him and you're
• 24:45
  like, well, he just put up six hits and six blocks and like
• 24:47
  four shots. So this is a real stat line he
• 24:50
  had against me last year, you know, like, OK, cool.
• 24:53
  You know, like, oh, he didn't chip in a point this game.
• 24:55
  Oh, wow, you know what a bust, you know, like, so so that's
• 24:59
  what it is with like the floor just being so, so high.
• 25:01
  So yeah, I really love this big. I was gonna say if there's room
• 25:05
  to grow too in terms of points, 2.6 is definitely I would say on
• 25:09
  the conservative side of like maybe it's the median outcome of
• 25:12
  what we can expect. But I would not be surprised if
• 25:14
  he gets the .75 this year. And you know, Calgary slightly
• 25:17
  better. They have a lot more young
• 25:18
  talent on the team and you know, there are team that's a fringe
• 25:21
  playoff contender and you know, he contributes more on the power
• 25:24
  play. Like that would not shock me.
• 25:25
  It's in the realm of outcomes. But you know that the foundation
• 25:28
  is so strong and it's not flashy to draft a guy like this, right?
• 25:31
  Because you're like, Oh no, we really value the points.
• 25:33
  And that's the thing that we kind of see on the statute and
• 25:35
  whatnot. When you look open your fantasy
• 25:38
  app and you see him have three shots, three, his three blocks
• 25:41
  in your category league, it just, I don't know, for me, it
• 25:44
  fills me up with joy. Yeah, yeah, I don't wig.
• 25:47
  You'll fill me up with something else too if you keep doing that.
• 25:51
  Like. I we simply have to edit that
• 25:54
  out that can. Not like that.
• 26:00
  This is why his team name is going to be Alabama Cousins.
• 26:02
  You know that's why he gets kicked out of every arena
• 26:07
  wearing his daddy bark off shirt.
• 26:11
  Wow, you guys are really turning on me.
• 26:13
  I did not expect this. Yeah, You know, I was gonna say
• 26:16
  I feel like Wigger is the defenseman version of Trocheck,
• 26:21
  you know? Yeah, you.
• 26:22
  Him or the guys were gonna talk about right ahead of him.
• 26:26
  Him and the guy we're gonna talk about.
• 26:28
  Yeah, very similar. Honestly, similar archetypes
• 26:30
  will get into it, but I like this next guy.
• 26:34
  Wiggers got hella strong facial hair but I feel like no matter
• 26:37
  what I say it fawning over him, I cannot match that level that
• 26:40
  you just did. So yeah, let's move on before
• 26:44
  Kevin says anything else, yeah? All right, let's go to.
• 26:49
  Number six. Number six, we have the brother
• 26:53
  of Dixon Moritz Cider, Detroit Red Wings.
• 27:00
  Last year he put up .56 points .29 power play points, two
• 27:04
  shots, 2.6 hits and 2.2 blocks. That's insane.
• 27:09
  First of all, he is he's like weaker except that he's
• 27:12
  guaranteed power play 1 and he has more points upside.
• 27:16
  So that's why he's one spot ahead.
• 27:18
  He's just unbelievable in every category and he is still super
• 27:22
  young and can only move upwards as the team gets better as he
• 27:24
  gets better. I mean he's he's the guy who
• 27:27
  like the year if you pick him the year that he pops, you know,
• 27:30
  .8 points game while putting those back cats you're laughing
• 27:32
  your way to the bank. Yeah, I would definitely take
• 27:36
  him ahead of weaker this year specifically because I mean, we
• 27:40
  saw it in the progression of his, you know, development as a
• 27:42
  talent. He blew up initially.
• 27:45
  You know, him and Raymond got the big contracts together and
• 27:48
  then they didn't really, they weren't really happy with the
• 27:50
  power play quarterbacking. So they signed, they had gossip
• 27:53
  spare. They've had other guys kind of
• 27:55
  come here and fill in that spot, but they're back to cider and
• 27:59
  he's the guy now. Like they want him to be the
• 28:01
  guy. He's been given the opportunity.
• 28:04
  There's no one that can take that spot from him and I think
• 28:06
  they're really lays the foundation for his value this
• 28:08
  season, especially with all the category coverage he has.
• 28:11
  Like just like we, he's a walking triple. 22 shots, two
• 28:14
  hits, two blocks is the minimum that you can expect from him,
• 28:17
  and the ceiling is so much higher if Detroit is Tina wants
• 28:20
  to make the playoffs this season, like the power play will
• 28:22
  need to improve and he's going to get more points.
• 28:25
  Yeah, and compared to his career averages, like he's played, he
• 28:30
  has not missed a game in four NHL seasons and in those seasons
• 28:34
  he has not cracked ten goals one time.
• 28:38
  That feels like an easy thing that he can at least get 15
• 28:42
  goals, you know what I mean? Like maybe even 20 because he's
• 28:45
  gonna have so much deployment and he's the centre speeds on
• 28:48
  that stage. As you mentioned, Kevin, they
• 28:50
  had other defensemen that they were able to rock on that first
• 28:54
  power play. I guess Gustafson, if all things
• 28:57
  fail, like like if if Cider is just offensively incompetent,
• 29:01
  like I guess they can put him there, but they want to make it
• 29:04
  work with Cider. You don't give a guy that
• 29:06
  contract and and not make him your centerpiece.
• 29:09
  So I'm very excited to see what you can do this year.
• 29:12
  Yeah, he's gonna be sick. He's gonna be cider or beer.
• 29:18
  Alright, let's move on. I mean, I guarantee he'll be
• 29:24
  Slider this year, yeah. But how will he compared to his
• 29:28
  brother Dixon? And also, OK, I mean, I'm just
• 29:33
  looking at this Detroit defensive core and it's not good
• 29:37
  at all. Like I'm kind of worried for
• 29:38
  their capacities as a team this year.
• 29:40
  So yeah, Slider might be one of the only fantasy like super
• 29:44
  relevant defensive options. Yeah, man, poor John Gibson, eh?
• 29:50
  Right when Anaheim's getting good, they're like, yeah, let's
• 29:53
  ship you off to another like bottom team.
• 29:55
  Yeah, who was like, yeah, you're you're right.
• 29:57
  They've got such a bad decor. I really think their offence is
• 30:00
  good. So for fantasy, this may be a
• 30:03
  pretty under the radar team if you pick assets from this team.
• 30:06
  I think Raymond Larkin Cider of course, I've spoken about
• 30:10
  Casper. I'm pretty high on him as well.
• 30:13
  And like, if they end up letting in a lot of goals, that's gonna
• 30:17
  be really, really nice for all these players, offensive
• 30:20
  production. And I definitely think Cider is
• 30:21
  part of that equation. So it's gonna suck as a Red
• 30:26
  Wings fan, probably. But as a fantasy player, you're
• 30:29
  having a good time. And there's definitely tears to
• 30:32
  these defensemen rankings, like we said before we got started,
• 30:35
  but I think Wigger and Cider are in their own tier in terms of
• 30:39
  like banger category coverage defensemen.
• 30:42
  Like they're the 2 elite guys and there's no other guys that
• 30:44
  come close to, you know, being a triple double like they are and
• 30:47
  contributing on the power play. But this top five is pretty
• 30:51
  stacked in terms of points and shots.
• 30:54
  Yeah, I feel like any one of these next 5 can end up, well,
• 30:59
  especially the next three could end up with like their points
• 31:03
  interchangeable, you know what I mean?
• 31:04
  I feel like all of them can hit 70.
• 31:06
  Yeah, so let's talk about #5. At #5 we've got Evan Bouchard of
• 31:13
  the Edmonton Oilers last year put up .82 points, .32 power
• 31:17
  play points, 2.9 shots and 1.3 blocks.
• 31:20
  Kind of like with Headman, I got to start off with like popular
• 31:23
  one quarterback with McDavid and Draisaitl.
• 31:25
  What else do you really have to say?
• 31:26
  You know, he's an elite shooter. He's going to be one of the few
• 31:28
  defensemen who's gonna get you 3 plus shots on goal per game.
• 31:31
  And he just signed a 4 * 10.5 mil contract.
• 31:33
  And something that I've said and I'll continue to say and I've
• 31:36
  said pretty much since I was born his follow that money baby.
• 31:39
  You know, So not not that it was ever not that it was ever in
• 31:42
  question about, you know, who's gonna be powerful on
• 31:44
  quarterback, but you know, something to be said there about
• 31:46
  that contract as well. Yeah, yeah, like logistically
• 31:50
  what's cool about him for their power play is that he's a
• 31:53
  right-handed shot, which is huge because both McDavid and
• 31:57
  Draisaitl are lefties. So he and nudge by the way.
• 32:01
  So like their their top playmakers on that power play
• 32:05
  are all lefties and they need to pass to somebody who could have
• 32:08
  a big one timer. And Bush bomb.
• 32:12
  This is the guy and like that they needed for for a while and
• 32:16
  they finally got it and they they just super happy to make it
• 32:20
  work with him. Obviously there's no one else
• 32:22
  who they're gonna put on power play one over him.
• 32:25
  There's just no way. And you know he hasn't he hit a
• 32:29
  point per game two years ago. Last season he regressed a
• 32:31
  little bit but I would not be surprised if he gets over 20
• 32:34
  goals and, you know, 85 points. I mean, we also, awesome.
• 32:38
  We also all think that Mcdavid's gonna have a bounce back here
• 32:41
  this year. Yep.
• 32:42
  And when that happens, Bouchard's gonna be 1 of the
• 32:44
  biggest beneficiaries of that. Is there a way that this power
• 32:48
  play gets like .5 points per game?
• 32:50
  Like in general on average between their their main, you
• 32:52
  know, fantasy assets? Like David Dreidel and Bouchard,
• 32:55
  I could see them all getting .5. Which would be nuts.
• 32:58
  Yeah, if he gets .5 like I, I just, I mean, that's, that's
• 33:02
  crazy. If you guys .5, I think he
• 33:04
  belongs like a little higher on this list.
• 33:05
  But yeah, I'd say like 4 feels safe to say, and even that's
• 33:11
  unreal. Like I think .5 is like,
• 33:13
  obviously like the ceiling, but I think it's doable.
• 33:15
  You know, there's not a lot of guys who I'd be like, yeah,
• 33:17
  that's possible. But with him, I think it's.
• 33:18
  Possible. There's like 3 guys that I would
• 33:20
  say it's probably possible, Yeah, the two guys that are on
• 33:23
  the top of this list and Bouchard.
• 33:25
  Basically, like in practice, that means you have a defenseman
• 33:28
  on your team that every single time you're watching the Oilers,
• 33:33
  if they get 2 power plays, you're guaranteed point and
• 33:35
  power play point. Yeah, that's crazy.
• 33:37
  I will say, if you do get lucky enough to get McDavid or
• 33:40
  tricycle in the first round, I love pairing one of those guys
• 33:43
  with Bouchard. That's why did last year at
• 33:45
  dryland Bouchard and like that's one of those stacks that I love
• 33:48
  to have because like I we had mentioned in previous episode,
• 33:51
  you know, like you're already so dependent on that power play and
• 33:54
  team working out. Why not just double it up?
• 33:56
  Especially because the odds are so high that it's gonna be
• 33:58
  amazing. Yeah, we talked about this on
• 34:00
  the Draft Tips episode, so if you haven't listened to that, go
• 34:02
  check it out. But we just talked about how
• 34:05
  stacks can really raise the ceiling for your fantasy team on
• 34:07
  any given week. You don't want to force a stack
• 34:09
  in the middle of your draft, but if you compare a guy like
• 34:11
  McDavid and Bouchard, you just know that on any given week,
• 34:15
  they can both pop off together and when you that week.
• 34:17
  So just raises your ceiling overall for each fantasy week
• 34:20
  for head to head matchups. And honestly, it's great to have
• 34:22
  and it's so fun to watch too, when you're when you're, when
• 34:24
  you're watching the game. Especially every time it goes to
• 34:27
  overtime, it's McDavid, Drysol and Bouchard on the ice, you
• 34:29
  know, and they always score in overtime.
• 34:32
  So you're like alright, sick overtime guaranteed 2 points
• 34:34
  here. The thing with Bouchard that we
• 34:36
  need to mention is obviously an elite.
• 34:38
  Shooter. Sucks at defence.
• 34:40
  He's an elite shooter, so he's basically giving you forward
• 34:42
  stats from the defenseman position, which is very valuable
• 34:45
  because you don't that's very rare to have.
• 34:47
  So he'll get over three shots in game.
• 34:49
  I think this upcoming year, his power play, I think a safe
• 34:52
  expectation is maybe 4. If we're expecting an overall
• 34:55
  bounce back by the Oilers. You can get close to a point per
• 34:58
  game or over a point per game. I would not be shocked by that.
• 35:01
  The biggest thing this year though is his draft cost is
• 35:04
  matching all these expectations. His ADP currently is 20.
• 35:08
  That's in the middle of the second round.
• 35:09
  Are you taking him that high? I think I would take him that
• 35:13
  high if I got McDavid or dry Sidal, but otherwise I probably
• 35:16
  wouldn't. Yeah, a lot of people don't
• 35:19
  wanna do. They realize that that's their
• 35:20
  first, first and second round pick.
• 35:22
  Obviously just advantages of that like we just spoke about,
• 35:24
  you know, the stacking and the ceiling.
• 35:25
  But on if the Oilers have a two game week, your first two draft
• 35:29
  picks combining for four games on the week, it's definitely not
• 35:33
  ideal. But at the end of the day, I
• 35:35
  think definitely it's fun. I think a little bit too rich
• 35:38
  for me though, like Jack Hughes or Evan Bouchard.
• 35:42
  Yeah, Hughes. Yeah, Forsberg or or Evan
• 35:45
  Bouchard. Yeah, Forsberg.
• 35:48
  Panera's ADP is 30. But I mean, it's also like
• 35:51
  something that he said about just the position, right?
• 35:53
  Yeah, like the defenseman is gonna like dry up so fast like
• 35:57
  these top, top tier guys. So.
• 35:59
  But like I said, for me, it's really just the stacker or I'm
• 36:02
  not interested. But that is ADP.
• 36:04
  Obviously if you was going around lower, I'm all over that.
• 36:07
  I think he's more of a third round pick for me.
• 36:09
  Panera is an interesting 1 though, because if I do have dry
• 36:12
  saddle or McDavid and then I end up pairing with Bouchard instead
• 36:16
  of a Panera and then later on I'm faced with, you know, Hedman
• 36:20
  or Caulfield, I think I'd rather go the dry Sidal Panera, sorry,
• 36:24
  dry Sydal, Bouchard, Cofield route, then dry Seidel, Panarin,
• 36:31
  Hedman. You know what I'm saying?
• 36:33
  Yeah, I feel like, I feel like if if the guy you're choosing
• 36:36
  between is like maybe more pure points with like 3 to 3.5 shots,
• 36:42
  that's where I find Hughes is better than Panera, probably
• 36:44
  because you couldn't shoot 4 plus, which is a big advantage.
• 36:48
  But nevertheless, like I'm I'm on the train of like, I really
• 36:51
  like what you said, Josh with the stack.
• 36:54
  So that's kind of the only time I would take him over like a a
• 36:58
  forward that's gonna end up with more points.
• 37:00
  Yeah. Alright, let's go into #4.
• 37:05
  At #4 we've got one of the bright lights of Jake's last
• 37:09
  season and have a lot of people's fantasy season who had
• 37:12
  him because it looked like a lot of fun.
• 37:15
  We've got Zach Werenski of the Columbus Blue Jackets last year.
• 37:18
  1.1 points per game .31 power play points. 3.7 shots per game.
• 37:23
  That's insane. 1.6 blocks. He is, in my opinion, the
• 37:28
  defenseman with the highest risk but highest reward.
• 37:31
  Last year, his first full season since 2018, he went crazy in
• 37:35
  points and shots on goal. Can he repeat it this year or
• 37:38
  was Columbus a fluke? If you guessed right or wrong,
• 37:41
  it could have a massive impact on your draft.
• 37:43
  What do you guys think? The reason I think that he's
• 37:47
  here instead of Bouchard is because we all believe that they
• 37:50
  can. Even if they regress a little
• 37:53
  bit, Columbus can still be a very good team if until he's up
• 37:55
  and coming, Marchenko is only going to be better.
• 37:57
  Voronkov's stud, you know, like all their players like, looked
• 38:01
  like they can really be a great part of their future.
• 38:03
  And Werenski's that centerpiece. He plays so many minutes a
• 38:06
  night. He does so many great things for
• 38:08
  them. I definitely think Bouchard's a
• 38:10
  quote safer pick, but for the higher ceiling I'm happier with
• 38:13
  Werenski this year. The reason for me that I that we
• 38:16
  have, you know, warrants you over Bouchard is the shots like
• 38:19
  Werenski is one of the few guys that can get close to four shots
• 38:22
  a game and that's. Just a defenseman or just in
• 38:25
  general, I guess, yeah. Yeah, it's just nonsense to have
• 38:27
  that from a defenseman. I think the big talk with Renski
• 38:31
  is people are forgetting how injury prone this guy is, right?
• 38:34
  Like he's hasn't played a full season in so long last.
• 38:37
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 38:38
  So last year we saw, you know, he was on the ice a lot and he
• 38:41
  contributed. But does he do it again?
• 38:45
  Does he stay healthy? There's definitely a lot of
• 38:47
  questions. I think a lot of people are not
• 38:48
  buying into this Columbus resurgence.
• 38:50
  But I think it's gonna be close to what he was later than what
• 38:52
  he was two years ago. I think Columbus is the real
• 38:54
  deal. I think they have a lot of young
• 38:56
  talent that is poised to take a step up and raise like the
• 38:59
  overall kind of point ceiling of this team.
• 39:01
  And Werenski is integral to that.
• 39:02
  Like he was getting Hart Trophy votes last year because of how
• 39:06
  important he was to this Columbus team and how he was
• 39:09
  performing on the ice. I genuinely think like he's an
• 39:12
  amazing defenseman is just can he stay healthy?
• 39:15
  And if he can, when he's on the ice, he will be elite for
• 39:18
  fantasy. Will he do what he did last
• 39:20
  year? I don't know.
• 39:22
  You're also drafting him close to his ceiling.
• 39:24
  That's another question. Like he's going back-to-back
• 39:26
  with Evan Bouchard and drafts. Who would you rather have?
• 39:29
  Obviously like us, We we like Werenski, but both of them, you
• 39:32
  know, it wouldn't be crazy to have one over the other.
• 39:34
  But it's still rich. So I don't know.
• 39:35
  Are you taking him in your drafts out?
• 39:37
  Honestly, I honestly don't know if I have the guts, you know,
• 39:39
  like let's say it's around 2, right, and I'm have to pick a
• 39:42
  defenseman because in my mind that's how I'm doing my draft
• 39:45
  and these guys are both there. Let's take round two, you know,
• 39:48
  and it just makes sense to take one of them.
• 39:50
  Wronski has the upside. It's like you said, the shots
• 39:52
  for me is the biggest thing. And Bush is a great shooter.
• 39:54
  You know, he's like a three plus shooter, but four plus from a
• 39:57
  defenseman of all things is just absolutely.
• 40:00
  Inserted like if he does what he did last year, he absolutely
• 40:03
  deserves to be at that EDP, if not higher.
• 40:05
  But that's a big if, right? And so I feel much safer with
• 40:08
  Bouchard, but I think the upside Oransky is much higher.
• 40:10
  So I guess a lot of it is based on your risk tolerance.
• 40:13
  So I don't, I don't know if I have the guts to to go Arensky
• 40:16
  over Bouchard at that spot. You had them on your team, like
• 40:19
  how many 6 point games did you have last year?
• 40:23
  It was so, so fun. I wish we were in a keeper
• 40:25
  league because he's the easiest choice I would have.
• 40:28
  Ever had you got him like around 14 or?
• 40:30
  Something, yeah, I think it was just 1314.
• 40:32
  It was amazing. I was like, that was the best,
• 40:35
  one of the best Rois in any. But it just goes to show like,
• 40:39
  he was going so late because we haven't seen him like, you know,
• 40:43
  be healthy for long stretches. Yeah, for sure.
• 40:46
  It's what you can do here. That's pretty cool is that you
• 40:50
  can do the stack, but he's gonna be the first Columbus player off
• 40:54
  the board. Right.
• 40:55
  Yeah, absolutely. So, yeah, so if you believe in
• 40:57
  them and if you actually want to do this, I get it.
• 41:00
  If you have Dry Settle or McDavid wanting to stack
• 41:02
  Bouchard at round two, let's say over Werenski.
• 41:05
  But then if you pick Werenski, you can put Marchenko.
• 41:08
  And I think that those are like the two guys that are definitely
• 41:10
  going to be on the 1st power play.
• 41:12
  Even Chantilly, who's maybe not going to start there but could
• 41:15
  be a mainstay, you know, like you could do a lot.
• 41:17
  And we're Renski's just always on the ice.
• 41:20
  He does not leave. He plays so much.
• 41:23
  So just knowing that you have a player.
• 41:25
  And to me, ice time and floor go hand in hand.
• 41:29
  I love his floor. And even if Columbus does
• 41:32
  regress a little bit and he gets 70 points instead of 82, I'm not
• 41:37
  mad about it because it shows are gonna be there.
• 41:39
  I'm less worried about them regressing because like you
• 41:42
  said, regardless, he's gonna be an elite shooter, blocker,
• 41:45
  probably whatever. Like he's gonna do all this
• 41:47
  stuff if he does it slightly less than last year, it's fine.
• 41:49
  I guess it's a lot of it is also the injury history, right?
• 41:52
  Like we've talked about that a lot.
• 41:53
  Like when do you value that? Like when do you count that?
• 41:55
  When do you not? And we often said, right, that
• 41:57
  that's what we use as a tie breaker.
• 41:59
  You know, it's like, don't let it affect you too much.
• 42:00
  But when you have like such a close decision, you know, let's
• 42:03
  say we're on Bouchard. Do you let that tie break you to
• 42:06
  Bouchard? That's that's why I don't know
• 42:08
  if I have the guts to go Arensky.
• 42:09
  It's just the cost. Obviously I would love to have
• 42:11
  him on my team, but it's really, it's a bit scary to take a guy
• 42:14
  like that. Around that spot, would you
• 42:16
  rather wrenching the third or weaker in the 5th?
• 42:20
  I think I take Warenski. I think I take Warenski in the
• 42:22
  third, I think Wronski's going in the 2nd and that's where I'm
• 42:25
  scared to take him in the third. I'd be really happy to have.
• 42:27
  Him cause in real drafts, right? This is his ADP on Yahoo that
• 42:31
  they, they published ADP data. But like in real jobs, they're
• 42:33
  gonna have people that don't want to draft them that high,
• 42:36
  and we'll probably push them closer to the third round.
• 42:38
  If you get them out, yeah. Pick 30, let's say like right in
• 42:41
  the middle of the third round. I think honestly that could be
• 42:45
  great value because. That's about I'm not scared to
• 42:47
  take him. It's really just like the second
• 42:49
  round. That's where I'm scared.
• 42:50
  Like we saw Roman Yosi be this kind of archetype of player,
• 42:53
  right? Like he's not a huge blocks guy,
• 42:55
  but like high shot volume and close to a point per game.
• 42:58
  Like maybe once he gets 9 points per game and 3.5 shots like
• 43:02
  that's still elite. The floors are so high if he
• 43:06
  stays healthy. Yeah, exactly.
• 43:08
  It's yeah, that's a tough one because I do love Uyghur, but I
• 43:12
  think I'm gonna I'm gonna go draw as well on this one.
• 43:17
  I think Warenski and the third is is amazing.
• 43:20
  It's just like sucks is I picked him in the 13th.
• 43:22
  Yeah, this is like all I have to pick.
• 43:25
  It was so high this. Year, anything.
• 43:27
  I feel like I got Gabe Vilardi in like the 12th last year.
• 43:29
  Yeah, you gotta pick up the second like.
• 43:31
  It's just so difficult. There's a nickel in the dryer
• 43:36
  for everyone counting back home. That's funny, this next guy is a
• 43:41
  bit of a bit of a Unicorn in what he does.
• 43:43
  I feel like other of the top five is the only one who kinda
• 43:47
  hits every category in an elite way.
• 43:49
  So let's dive into. #3. #3 We've got the one of the two only
• 43:58
  bright spots in this entire organization, Rasmus Dahlin of
• 44:02
  the Buffalo Sabres, the other one being Tage Thompson.
• 44:05
  Last year he put up .93 points .29 power play points 2.7.
• 44:09
  Shots. What about Peterka?
• 44:13
  Yeah, 2.7 shots, 1.4 hits and 1.3 blocks.
• 44:18
  It's like you guys mentioned, he touches all the categories.
• 44:21
  It's not like he's doing like double s on the hits and blocks.
• 44:24
  But the fact is that he's almost a point per game.
• 44:26
  He's shooting a ton and he's hitting and blocking.
• 44:29
  That's like, it's kind of like slightly A twist on the
• 44:32
  archetype of like your weaker and your cider because those
• 44:35
  guys have less points and are just like they do a bit of
• 44:38
  points while being bangers cats, beasts.
• 44:41
  He does a ton of points while also being very solid at the
• 44:45
  Bangers cats. And The thing is that he does
• 44:48
  this a year after year on a garbage Buffalo team.
• 44:51
  If they ever remotely figure it out, you know, if they get if
• 44:54
  they could even sniff the playoffs.
• 44:56
  He's easily over a point per game while putting up those back
• 44:59
  cats. I love him as the as the third
• 45:01
  on the board. I think what's so nice about
• 45:05
  Darlene is the fact that, like you said, he touches all the
• 45:07
  categories so you know, you're never going to get zeros with
• 45:09
  him. He's also, you know, integral to
• 45:12
  this Buffalo team. I feel like in recent years I've
• 45:15
  had, I've had a good pulse on, you know, the top defensemen in
• 45:18
  terms of like who to draft and went to draft them like 2 years
• 45:20
  ago. I took Bouchard pretty high
• 45:22
  before he kind of broke out. I was also in on Vince Dunn when
• 45:26
  he broke out last year. I took Darlene over Bouchard
• 45:28
  where Josh was kind of shocked that did that and I think
• 45:30
  Darlene ended up paying, paying off and being better for your
• 45:34
  fantasy teams this upcoming season.
• 45:36
  I think it could be his best season yet.
• 45:38
  Like the price is still high, obviously, but he can get close
• 45:40
  to a point per game and these back categories I can see him
• 45:43
  bumping up to hit some blocks. I think last year he needed to
• 45:46
  be more important to the offence of this team and that's why we
• 45:49
  saw the banger categories take a step back.
• 45:52
  But I can see this here. Him just overall would more
• 45:55
  experience being more involved on in the physical side of the
• 45:59
  game. Again, he's just such a safe
• 46:02
  pick. For sure, and yeah, I ended up
• 46:07
  with him too after our trade. And you were thrilled, right?
• 46:10
  I was. It was great.
• 46:11
  We talked about all these amazing players that I had on my
• 46:14
  team last year and I got first rounded in the playoffs because
• 46:18
  everyone was so injured. And it was.
• 46:21
  Horrible, awful. But yeah, like, you know, it's
• 46:28
  we want to believe that Buffalo can like sort of get a little
• 46:33
  bit better, but I feel like it's.
• 46:35
  Like it's hard to keep trading your.
• 46:36
  Place for me like 1000 billion times and it's just like
• 46:40
  eventually we just stop believing, you know, they get
• 46:42
  rid of all their top guys. Journey would be disappointed in
• 46:45
  you. What?
• 46:47
  Don't stop. Believe it.
• 46:55
  Nice. Little copyright strikers.
• 46:59
  Yeah, you know what's interesting about him is that
• 47:01
  he's never hit a point per game. It obviously doesn't matter
• 47:04
  because like with, how well-rounded, is.
• 47:06
  That's crazy. We have that in common.
• 47:10
  A point per game. I've never hit a point per game
• 47:13
  in the NHL either. Same.
• 47:19
  Yeah, but maybe, maybe this is the year.
• 47:22
  Honestly, who knows? It's gonna be a very probably
• 47:26
  depressing time to watch. Them it's gonna be about how how
• 47:29
  much Tage and him can carry the Buffalo Sabres to relevancy like
• 47:33
  and yeah, they can only do so much on their own, so yeah.
• 47:36
  It's tough. And exactly what Josh said.
• 47:39
  I mean, if they ever can do anything sort of good, somehow,
• 47:43
  some way, he's a part of that. He's a part of that.
• 47:47
  So his floor is so safe in that way because they've been God
• 47:52
  awful and he's still managed to be good.
• 47:56
  And. If they're just awful instead of
• 47:58
  God awful then then all the better.
• 48:01
  The only silver lining is he gets to play on a power play
• 48:04
  with Jason Zucker, and we know that guy's a beast, so.
• 48:06
  Yeah, that guy sucks. That guy does suck.
• 48:12
  But and also, you know, I was saying no, no, no.
• 48:15
  Words say something crazy, OK? No, no.
• 48:17
  No, Continue. His Yahoo ADP is 32.
• 48:21
  He's going 10 picks after Bouchardon, Werenski, and I
• 48:25
  think that's just phenomenal value.
• 48:27
  For your great value because I'm taking Dolly and over either of
• 48:30
  those guys. The category coverage in your
• 48:33
  managers leagues and you know the points threshold like he's
• 48:35
  not that far behind and either of those guys in terms of points
• 48:38
  and shots and I'm contributing. I'm happy to grab Dalian round
• 48:42
  two if I can get him round 3 by some miracle.
• 48:44
  I know in early that's not happening, but if you're getting
• 48:47
  him round three you're laughing to the bank.
• 48:50
  I think one thing I just wanna ask though, do you guys have any
• 48:54
  fear whatsoever that either Owen Power or Bowen Byram are gonna
• 48:59
  take your spot on the power play?
• 49:00
  None. Not even a little.
• 49:02
  Building on that question, do you think there's any way all
• 49:05
  three of them are on that power play?
• 49:08
  Defenseman power play. Honestly.
• 49:11
  Those four guys and teach Thompson and then, you know,
• 49:14
  look, once you're gonna be a joke, at least, you know, lean
• 49:16
  into it and make it entertaining.
• 49:17
  You know, I completely. Agree, they should do.
• 49:20
  It burn, but it's like these Darlene Byram and Power were all
• 49:26
  supposed to be elite, elite defenseman in the NHL.
• 49:30
  I mean bordering generational. Like Byron was supposed to be
• 49:34
  the next Macar Power was supposed to be.
• 49:36
  The next first overall. It's just wild, like I mean this
• 49:41
  is supposed to be an unreal decor and like what are they
• 49:45
  doing? The things are often should not
• 49:47
  run through your decor and they just keep trading away offensive
• 49:50
  pieces. Yeah.
• 49:51
  More defensemen. They're Yeah, exactly.
• 49:54
  I mean, we don't know with the Infinity.
• 49:57
  Byron wanted to get traded because he's like he has huge
• 50:01
  potential as a as a defenseman. He's stuck being the the third
• 50:04
  defenseman on this team. Yeah, imagine going from like
• 50:06
  being stuck behind my car and you're like, well, I'm never
• 50:08
  getting power, play 1. And then you go and you stuck
• 50:10
  behind dulling and power and you're like, yeah, now I'm also
• 50:12
  in Buffalo. I hate chicken wings.
• 50:22
  A poor guy. Yeah, alright, let's let's move
• 50:25
  on to the the top 2. All right #2.
• 50:29
  And #2 we've got Luke and Jack's brother when he was of the
• 50:35
  Vancouver Canucks last year. 1.12 points per game .43 power
• 50:40
  play points, 2.8 shots. He's just obviously talk to
• 50:45
  everyone who's listening already knows who number one is gonna be
• 50:48
  always in conversation one and two, he's elite for points.
• 50:51
  He actually shoots a ton, which I didn't give him credit for
• 50:54
  over the years. You know, I was always like, oh,
• 50:55
  he's that type of guy who gets a ton of points, but it won't get
• 50:57
  you any back cats. But no, I was wrong. 2.8 shots
• 51:00
  is super respectable as defenseman and and yeah he could
• 51:03
  benefit from a Peterson bounce back, but he doesn't need it to
• 51:06
  succeed. I think last year we saw how
• 51:09
  high the floor is for Quinn Hughes because Vancouver was a
• 51:12
  dumpster fire last year and he was still super fantasy
• 51:14
  relevant. Like the things that this guy
• 51:16
  can do on the ice, it's wild. Like he is physically very
• 51:20
  capable but. He moves on the unbelievable.
• 51:24
  None of you guys were picking up what I'm laying.
• 51:26
  There's the Dustin Wolf of Defensemen.
• 51:30
  And yeah, but he's also getting drafted accordingly, right?
• 51:33
  Like he's a fringe round one guy in your 12 team leagues and
• 51:38
  standard Yahoo draft. So he's 80P is 13 right now.
• 51:41
  And you know, honestly, it's not shocking if he can put us over
• 51:45
  point per game, three shots per game and power play quarterback.
• 51:49
  I think, I think he's insane. You go Jack Hughes into Quinn
• 51:53
  Hughes, come up with some fun team names, you know?
• 51:57
  Joaquin News. Use it or lose it or something
• 52:01
  like that, I don't know. Probably a lot of people out
• 52:04
  there that have the trio, and there are.
• 52:06
  Huge line is it anyways? I'm assuming you didn't come up
• 52:12
  come up with these off stop. I'm literally just thinking
• 52:14
  about. My head.
• 52:14
  Are you serious? Yeah, there's so impressive.
• 52:17
  So what did you say? You gotta be kidding me.
• 52:20
  Yeah, I I honestly, I I don't know.
• 52:24
  I mean, this, this, this guy has always been such a amazing
• 52:29
  player. And two years ago, 92 points.
• 52:32
  But obviously the Canucks were a much better team.
• 52:35
  You wanna talk about talismanic like?
• 52:37
  He's just one of them. OK, let me ask you guys a
• 52:41
  question here. And this ties into #1 So let's
• 52:45
  go. Let's go to that one.
• 52:46
  And then I'm gonna ask you a question that I think is
• 52:48
  interesting about Quinn Hughes. All right #1.
• 52:51
  At #1 surprising absolutely nobody, we've got kale macar in
• 52:56
  integral part of any salad and and the last year you would have
• 53:03
  1.15 points, .44 power play points, 3.1 shots and 1.6
• 53:08
  blocks. And my question was looking at
• 53:11
  those stats versus the queen Hugh stats.
• 53:13
  Why is Makar everyone agrees top let's say like 8 pick whereas
• 53:18
  Quinn Hughes is like a second rounder.
• 53:21
  What makes them so different? Like they were point O3 points
• 53:24
  apart, point O1 power play points apart and .3 shots apart.
• 53:28
  I think. Yeah, sorry, I was going to say
• 53:31
  before I answer. I just can't believe that after
• 53:33
  all of the copyright issues, the first time we get sued is gonna
• 53:36
  be by big romaine lettuce. Don't speak into existence.
• 53:46
  What do you mean you need kale in every salad?
• 53:48
  Yeah. Makes episodes, Could be me and
• 53:51
  JK Josh is gonna be missing. If I'm missing, it was big
• 53:56
  Romaine. They came for me.
• 53:59
  I thought you were gonna thought you were going to be say that
• 54:02
  you're upset that I didn't say my note for for my car that I
• 54:05
  had written in the dog, which is he's the best in the world.
• 54:09
  That's what she said. Oh God, I am anyway.
• 54:17
  He's on the mend right now. After that, after that comment,
• 54:19
  I think he's more more induced. Because he hasn't been enough
• 54:24
  kale the. Antibodies are awake right now.
• 54:27
  OK, back to my question. Why is Mccart so much more
• 54:31
  highly regarded in terms of draft capital than Hughes when
• 54:34
  their stats seem so similar? I would like to answer your
• 54:36
  question. You in front.
• 54:41
  Maybe I do. I do.
• 54:43
  I want some man meat for all your office fans anyways, OK?
• 54:47
  No. And record.
• 54:52
  They can stay on the recording. That's why true.
• 54:55
  Anyways, the thing when Macar that makes him so much, you
• 54:59
  know, the why he's cemented as the best defenseman in fantasy
• 55:02
  is because we see him first of all, do it every single season.
• 55:05
  And if you watch him on the ice, I think he passes the eye test,
• 55:08
  whereas he can do things on his own.
• 55:10
  Like we've seen him go ice to ice score wonder.
• 55:13
  Goals. Look at Hughes.
• 55:14
  We just said that he had no support pretty much on this
• 55:17
  Vancouver team. But the thing that I like up my
• 55:20
  car more than Hughes is that, first of all, you know that
• 55:23
  McKinnon is never gonna have a season like Patterson had last
• 55:25
  year. You know, his surroundings are
• 55:28
  safer. We know the power play is
• 55:31
  undeniable. Last year they had a down year
• 55:33
  and he was still at .44 points per game in terms of power play
• 55:36
  production. I think there's more, you know,
• 55:39
  quote UN quote risks with Hughes that could go wrong for him to
• 55:41
  hit this threshold. I think things need to go a lot
• 55:44
  more things need to go right for Hughes to hit it than Macar.
• 55:46
  McCain have a down season and still be a point per game
• 55:49
  whereas Hughes could have a down season and he won't be a point
• 55:51
  per game like. But to Hughes credit, we saw
• 55:54
  Vancouver be complete dog water last season and he still did
• 55:58
  what he did right. So what could where is the
• 56:01
  ceiling here? Vancouver is, you know, better
• 56:03
  than they were last year. That's another question, but
• 56:06
  I'm, I'm not taking any risk with that.
• 56:09
  Makar is the clear number one guy and he he will be for the
• 56:12
  foreseeable future in my opinion.
• 56:14
  Yeah, I also think that for like Jared Bednar is kind of John
• 56:18
  Cooper esque in the way that he brings out the best in his
• 56:21
  players fantasy hockey wise, you know, the anti rod, if you will.
• 56:27
  They're just able to like coach star players and get the most
• 56:31
  out of those star players. So I mean, is it still Rick
• 56:36
  talking? Is he the Ted Coach of the
• 56:38
  Canucks? No, he got canned.
• 56:40
  All. There you go.
• 56:41
  I mean, Justin, that's another thing like if you if you look at
• 56:47
  it, Adam Foot as their head coach, interesting.
• 56:51
  I mean, he was a defensive and a pretty good one at that, so that
• 56:53
  I can actually maybe boost Hughes's value, but there's
• 56:56
  something to. Be.
• 56:59
  There's something to be said. I was trying to come up with a
• 57:03
  good one and you just blurt that out and like, alright, well
• 57:07
  resident. Soccer fan over here.
• 57:10
  Yeah, that's the best Case No, it's just what I like about
• 57:20
  Makar over here is and like why I see he's he's safe first of
• 57:24
  all, I don't want to take a defenseman in my top 10 picks at
• 57:26
  all we've. Top ten overall.
• 57:30
  Yeah, yeah. Sorry.
• 57:31
  Like if I have. Like.
• 57:32
  One of the top ten, like I wouldn't want it could really
• 57:35
  kind of fun if you're at the yeah I I feel like.
• 57:38
  We've, I mean, these guys are these guys are producing at
• 57:40
  elite forward levels like 1.12 points per game or one point.
• 57:44
  People overhype that. Like I see people stay like
• 57:46
  people talking online about it and like you have to take my car
• 57:48
  at 5 because he does what forwards to a defenseman level.
• 57:51
  And I'm like, no, you're not taking a car over like a passed
• 57:53
  over Matthews over capris off, you know, like don't overhype it
• 57:57
  because of that. But there is value there for
• 57:59
  sure. Like I definitely take my car
• 58:00
  like 8, you know, and like that. Yeah, and that's, that's not
• 58:03
  crazy at all. Over Kaprizov.
• 58:05
  No, that's I mean, I have I guess McCain at 9.
• 58:08
  We've got we don't have to go through a whole top, but I don't
• 58:11
  think it's crazy taking in your top ten.
• 58:12
  I think he's like at the end of the top 10.
• 58:14
  But no, I get what you're saying.
• 58:16
  I do think people are overhype. It.
• 58:18
  And I think, OK, I'll explain, I'll explain the issue with
• 58:24
  this. OK.
• 58:24
  And I I just feel like it's a it's an important thing.
• 58:27
  These these rankings are great. They they make a lot of sense.
• 58:30
  But personally, one, I've never seen anyone pick a defenseman
• 58:34
  super high in our bangers cats with face offs league and win.
• 58:39
  And two, there the drawback of having what A forward does in a
• 58:46
  defenseman is that none of these guys like Mccart does not hit.
• 58:51
  His blocks are not elite. So that becomes a little bit of
• 58:56
  a problem because if you have capris, I'm not getting blocked,
• 58:58
  who cares? But if you have one of your
• 59:00
  designated defenseman slot not doing what defenseman are
• 59:03
  supposed to do, that becomes a little bit of an issue.
• 59:05
  Which is why. The 30 point guys not diving
• 59:08
  into. Thankfully I wanted the average
• 59:11
  three hits a game as. Well.
• 59:13
  Yeah, OK. Look, listen like like that's
• 59:15
  definitely fair if also 130 points is.
• 59:18
  No, I'm talking about price of. OK, yeah, see, that's it though.
• 59:23
  So obviously points are more developed, like valuable out of
• 59:26
  the defenseman position, but there is something to be said.
• 59:28
  So back to your kind of Hughes versus McCarthy thing.
• 59:32
  I just think that because I trust Bednar to be such a good
• 59:35
  coach for them, I don't know what foot is gonna do for the
• 59:39
  Canucks this year. And like, there's something to
• 59:42
  be said about reuniting the Hughes brothers.
• 59:44
  They've they've talked about that before, the fact that
• 59:47
  nobody even floats the idea at all in any way, shape or form
• 59:51
  about moving the car. And that's been a conversation
• 59:53
  with, I mean, either from New Jersey to the Canucks or to New
• 59:58
  Jersey from the Canucks. I don't know.
• 59:59
  That's basically. Though.
• 1:00:01
  Yeah. It happens.
• 1:00:02
  I feel like just makes use way better.
• 1:00:05
  Yes, I mean, I guess it kind of be fun.
• 1:00:07
  Poor Luke, though, at that. Point yeah, I've got another
• 1:00:10
  McCarthy's question then. So I obviously I agree with you
• 1:00:13
  guys. Mccart, I would take higher than
• 1:00:14
  Hughes. Let's quote no question.
• 1:00:16
  I was just surprised looking at the stats at how close they
• 1:00:17
  were, but I don't disagree with that.
• 1:00:19
  But since their stats are so similar, do you prefer going
• 1:00:22
  like Macar into like a Mariner or are you going like a capris
• 1:00:25
  off into Hughes? You know, which one are you
• 1:00:27
  happier with? I'm going capris off Hughes
• 1:00:30
  personally. Yeah, I'm also going capris off
• 1:00:32
  Hughes. Yeah, me.
• 1:00:33
  Too. And it's like saying janky of
• 1:00:35
  like, you know, it's literally just like, you know, yeah, it's
• 1:00:37
  kind of like the same spot in the draft, right?
• 1:00:40
  You can end up with either of those.
• 1:00:41
  You can take the defenseman first and then the forward
• 1:00:43
  second or the forward first, defenseman second.
• 1:00:45
  I think the teardrop between, you know, the forwards is just a
• 1:00:48
  lot higher than the teardrop between these two guys.
• 1:00:50
  So exactly. That's why I would kind of if I
• 1:00:52
  know I can get Hughes at second, I'd rather take that than my car
• 1:00:55
  in the 1st. Yeah, nothing wrong with
• 1:00:57
  Mariner, but Capri is a bit of a different level.
• 1:00:59
  You know, yeah, exactly so. Just cost of thing.
• 1:01:02
  Yeah, it cost. I think I'd rather.
• 1:01:04
  I'd rather. I'd rather use like just simply
• 1:01:08
  right? And I was surprised by that.
• 1:01:09
  I came to that realization while we were working on this top ten
• 1:01:12
  list, you know, and looking at the stats, because my mind, I'm
• 1:01:14
  like, oh, it's so much different.
• 1:01:15
  But it's actually, it's interesting to think about cuz
• 1:01:17
  everyone's all over my car at in all the draft boards, everyone
• 1:01:21
  talking about everything in my part of the McCormick car, you
• 1:01:23
  know, but at cost, you know, maybe he uses more valuable.
• 1:01:26
  Yeah. And we just gave some really
• 1:01:28
  helpful advice of team names that you can make with.
• 1:01:31
  Both of their names. Yeah.
• 1:01:33
  So I mean, there's no advantage there even.
• 1:01:35
  Yeah. There's like that, Vine, get off
• 1:01:38
  my car. Yeah, alright, that was.
• 1:01:45
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• 1:01:47
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• 1:01:51
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• 1:02:20
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• 1:02:24
  What do you? Mean I never did the fun one.
• 1:02:25
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• 1:02:30
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