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Weird Cults with Julia & Colby · The Occult Rejects

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  Speaker 1: You see, something's going to happen.
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  Speaker 2: What's going to happen?
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  Speaker 1: What?
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  Speaker 3: Welcome to the occult rejects this episode. I got a
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  Speaker 3: couple of us joining us today. I got JJ Vance,
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  Speaker 3: not the vice president.
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  Speaker 4: What is going on? Sir?
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  Speaker 2: W a uh Nick krieks, Sir. I appreciate the invite
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  Speaker 2: as always, fellow cult rejects, looking forward to the conversation.
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  Speaker 2: Always remember talking some weird cult business. I said, now
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  Speaker 2: you're talking my language, so JJ Vance, host of Operations
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  Speaker 2: GCD and more notably not the vice president. But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: looking forward to the conversation. Ult a definitely my thing here,
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  Speaker 2: my thing I'll enjoy talking about, especially the ancient alien
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  Speaker 2: cargo cult.
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  Speaker 4: Say, let's hope some aliens pop up in this show.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you very much for joining us, Jjay, and we
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  Speaker 3: got Jewels from Great Pill joining us today.
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  Speaker 4: What is going on? Sir?
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  Speaker 2: How are you? What is man? What's going on? Guys?
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  Speaker 5: Getting used to being here uh a lot more often,
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  Speaker 5: so thank you again Nick for having me. Of course, guys,
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  Speaker 5: I'm Jewels. I'm the host of the Great Pill podcast.
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  Speaker 5: H ell entomologist, sound scientist. I have a Patreon you
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  Speaker 5: can find me there Patreon dot com slash gray Pill podcast.
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  Speaker 2: We do a lot of cool stuff over there, so
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  Speaker 2: happy to be here. It's Sunday morning.
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  Speaker 4: Hell yeah, hell yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And just real quick from my listeners that are into
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  Speaker 3: Twin Peaks because I've talked about it plenty of times,
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  Speaker 3: go check out Jewels. He's picked up the torch and
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  Speaker 3: he's running with the Twin Peaks now, so please go
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  Speaker 3: check out his stuff.
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  Speaker 4: If you're into peaks.
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  Speaker 3: I know I got a lot of listeners going deep. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: so go please check out his show. He covers it
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  Speaker 3: and we got hell, let's giant with us.
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  Speaker 4: What is going on?
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  Speaker 2: Sir?
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  Speaker 6: How's how's it going?
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  Speaker 7: So I'm the Headless John and you can find me
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  Speaker 7: on YouTube if you look up our show on Thursday nights.
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  Speaker 7: It's where I read your spooky slash creepy emails. We
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  Speaker 7: had to cancel the Trialogus this Sunday because Ethan's father's
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  Speaker 7: in the hospital. So if you guys keep Ethan in
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  Speaker 7: your thoughts, that would be great.
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  Speaker 4: So yeah, thank you very much.
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  Speaker 3: Joining any and I actually had somebody hit me up
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  Speaker 3: today telling me that they've had experiences with the Gateway tapes,
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  Speaker 3: so trying to get them trying to get them on
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  Speaker 3: the show.
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  Speaker 4: They're a little but try and we got uh.
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  Speaker 3: Julia and Kolbe today together woo always having them both
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  Speaker 3: on obviously, I mean there are cult rejects anyway, but
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  Speaker 3: since they are presenting the topic, you know, introduce them
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  Speaker 3: like that. So please let everybody know where they can
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  Speaker 3: find both of your amazing work.
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  Speaker 8: Conspiracy Playtime anywhere everywhere, sometimes YouTube, other show disinformation on
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  Speaker 8: hiatus right now, but for the last few months, I
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  Speaker 8: think we need to bring it back.
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  Speaker 1: And a weekly shit talking show. Turn to you, my
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  Speaker 1: dear Cosmic Peach podcast. If you haven't found me yet,
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  Speaker 1: you never will. But I'm excited to be here a
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  Speaker 1: cult reject part time. Really excited to dive into some
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  Speaker 1: weird cults today.
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  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, so yeah, so what do you got going
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  Speaker 4: for us?
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  Speaker 1: Well, you want to go first, or you want me
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  Speaker 1: to go first. We did so we did a series
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  Speaker 1: called Into the Culty Verse together.
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  Speaker 9: It was four parts and.
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  Speaker 1: We covered the most obscure cults that we could find.
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  Speaker 1: Colby actually found some really interesting ones, which is why
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  Speaker 1: I'm so excited that he's joining me today. But they
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  Speaker 1: range anywhere from like Christian cults to esoteric colts to
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  Speaker 1: I don't even know how you would describe Chris Gorbo's guilt,
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  Speaker 1: but satanic I guess.
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  Speaker 9: Kind of like new wave.
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  Speaker 8: I don't know, it's Yeah, the last two we'll talk
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  Speaker 8: about are more modern cults, which, like when you throw
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  Speaker 8: the Internet into this picture, it just got a little crazier.
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  Speaker 9: And so we did a couple of modern ones.
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  Speaker 8: But yeah, we started with the old ones, and I'm
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  Speaker 8: sure you're gonna have heard of some of them, but
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  Speaker 8: some of them I doubt So anyway, I don't know
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  Speaker 8: you want us to just kind of like run through
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  Speaker 8: and give like a synopsis of each one, because I
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  Speaker 8: think you're not doing one of them so that there's
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  Speaker 8: like seven of them.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, just real quick, like these did you come across
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  Speaker 3: these like in a book or something, or just you
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  Speaker 3: just randomly? You know what I'm saying That this isn't
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  Speaker 3: like is it from Program to Kill or anything like that.
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  Speaker 8: I think we kind of intentionally veered away from the
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  Speaker 8: stuff that we usually cover. But the first one I
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  Speaker 8: talk about is gonna kind of pop up throughout your
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  Speaker 8: your history of all the stuff we all talk about
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  Speaker 8: Synanon and so you I imagine you've all heard of
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  Speaker 8: that one. Yeah, that's probably out of all seven of them,
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  Speaker 8: that might be the one that's like most mainstream.
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  Speaker 4: No, that shit is fucking crazy.
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  Speaker 8: And it's left a hell of an impact to on
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  Speaker 8: like modern it's the troubled teen industry. Paris Hilton talked
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  Speaker 8: about it. A lot of these people that go through
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  Speaker 8: these I don't know, it's kind of like a Kanye
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  Speaker 8: asque reprogramming, but on a smaller scale. It seems like
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  Speaker 8: for these kids, they just they're out of control. They
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  Speaker 8: got these rich, ely parents and they go out there
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  Speaker 8: sometimes they die in the woods. That all came from
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  Speaker 8: like Synanon. So that's I don't know if you want
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  Speaker 8: to go first, if you want me.
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  Speaker 3: To go real quick, real quick, I had an Apple
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  Speaker 3: over by me when I grew up as a kid,
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  Speaker 3: and before that it was something that was I think
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  Speaker 3: associated with Synanon, and like I knew people that ended
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  Speaker 3: up like even going there.
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  Speaker 4: So I when.
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  Speaker 3: I heard the stories of Apple and what those places
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  Speaker 3: were like, and then I found out what Synonym was
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  Speaker 3: and watched the videos, I'm like, this is the same
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  Speaker 3: thing they told me that's going on, So I mean
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  Speaker 3: that style honestly, in therapeutic communities hasn't changed actually, right,
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  Speaker 3: and even in regular rehabs, I'll be honest, because of
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  Speaker 3: fucking up in the past. I've been in rehabs before.
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  Speaker 3: The way that they do their groups and have other
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  Speaker 3: members run it, it is still based off of that idea.
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  Speaker 9: So talking about it, maybe you should get.
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  Speaker 4: I do find it interesting how it's still out there.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I find it interesting too. But since we're on
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  Speaker 1: the topic, you should just go ahead and sum it.
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  Speaker 9: Up, all right, Well, send it on. It was.
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  Speaker 8: Like the fifties that this one started and the founder
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  Speaker 8: he was the name guy named Chuck Diedrich, and he
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  Speaker 8: came from like the east side of the country. But
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  Speaker 8: he kind of had a rough and tumble childhood, ended
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  Speaker 8: up kind of just being a low life adult, and
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  Speaker 8: he became a really bad drinker and he entered into AA.
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  Speaker 8: I don't remember what city he was living in. It
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  Speaker 8: was in California. I want to say it was like
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  Speaker 8: more northern than where the Cole ended up, but.
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  Speaker 2: I haven't right here.
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  Speaker 5: I had pulled up these these guys. Yeah, now it's
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  Speaker 5: taken me to the to the damn webs.
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  Speaker 9: Well, if you get any info just cut on in there.
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  Speaker 8: But he uh, I guess some friends of his were
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  Speaker 8: pretty concerned there you go, that's yes, So they guided
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  Speaker 8: him into you know, the meetings, and he got up
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  Speaker 8: there and spoke and it was like an immediate high
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  Speaker 8: for him. He went on for hours and people were
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  Speaker 8: really digging was he what he was saying? And so
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  Speaker 8: much so to the point where he started having little
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  Speaker 8: like offshoot meetings at his own place. And not too
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  Speaker 8: long before or not too long after this, these heroin
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  Speaker 8: addicts start showing up and at this point in history
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  Speaker 8: there had never been like support groups for heroin addicts.
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  Speaker 8: And they kind of drove the drinkers away, and it
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  Speaker 8: just kind of became this thing where it was like
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  Speaker 8: all these junkies from all walks of life were showing
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  Speaker 8: up to quit.
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  Speaker 1: And because the alcoholics slipped down, yeah, as they kind
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  Speaker 1: of clashed.
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  Speaker 8: I think a few of the drinkers struck around, but
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  Speaker 8: most of them just you know, scdaddled. And he kind
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  Speaker 8: of looked at it as in an economic way, like
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  Speaker 8: this works. There's nothing else like it for these people.
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  Speaker 8: You know, these other guys can go to AA. And
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  Speaker 8: he kind of just took what AA did, and he
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  Speaker 8: gave it a leader, because you know, that's the unique
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  Speaker 8: thing about AA if you do it right. But anyway,
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  Speaker 8: they ended up in a storefront at some point. They
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  Speaker 8: got a lot of people with money in there, and
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  Speaker 8: they just start expanding, and it's kind of like any
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  Speaker 8: cult formula.
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  Speaker 9: He starts taking the assets of of you know me
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  Speaker 9: that had them.
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  Speaker 8: And one of the things he did in the beginning,
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  Speaker 8: it was in these meetings he had. It was called
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  Speaker 8: the game. And this thing is crazy. It kind of
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  Speaker 8: is the thing that stuck out to me the most.
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  Speaker 8: But these people would just berate each other. So if
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  Speaker 8: it was your turn, everything was fair game other than
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  Speaker 8: violence or threats of violence, but anything could go and you.
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  Speaker 9: Could just say anything.
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  Speaker 8: And so it was like real cathartic for these people.
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  Speaker 8: And I think Leonard Nimoy a few other notable celebrities
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  Speaker 8: actually like just went participated in these rituals for this,
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  Speaker 8: for the for the game, in these meetings they have,
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  Speaker 8: and I call it rituals, but like.
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  Speaker 9: Why would you want that though?
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  Speaker 1: It's like you sit in the middle of a circle
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  Speaker 1: and just have a bunch of random people tell you
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  Speaker 1: what a piece of dog shit you are.
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  Speaker 2: For you.
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  Speaker 4: Have you ever watched those videos.
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  Speaker 1: It's pretty wide shoul, crazy, dirty cop motherfucker's thinking.
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  Speaker 3: And that's that's something that's still was going on in
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  Speaker 3: Phoenix House twenty years ago, fifteen years ago.
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  Speaker 4: Is that style?
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  Speaker 3: I know for a fact that was still going on
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  Speaker 3: in TC's So I'm saying this ship is still being used.
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  Speaker 1: That's wild. It looks like Juel said, the logo for
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  Speaker 1: Synonym looks like the Processed Church too, which is awesome.
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  Speaker 4: I can pull it up.
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  Speaker 3: I was never in one of those places, but it
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  Speaker 3: came across a lot of people who work obviously.
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  Speaker 2: Oh go ahead, I keep cutting out over here, go ahead.
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  Speaker 4: And oh you go ahead. I'm done. I'm done.
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  Speaker 2: Oh this is why I keep when you paying fair
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  Speaker 2: game before Colby, this is why he's one of the
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  Speaker 2: reasons that's a funny term, because when you're describing this thing,
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  Speaker 2: the game, this is one of the reasons why I
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  Speaker 2: asserted that sending On actually grew out of scientology. The
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  Speaker 2: game is really based on bull baiting. That's what the
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  Speaker 2: scientologists call that.
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  Speaker 1: Bull baiting, like where you sit in a circle and
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  Speaker 1: tell everybody what.
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  Speaker 2: A piece of shit you literally scream at your opponent,
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  Speaker 2: your other h fellow of scientologists. And in this h
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  Speaker 2: you know, you call it ritual, they call them an expert.
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  Speaker 2: They call them training exercises, if you will, I think
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  Speaker 2: training protocols. So the idea is to numb out any
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  Speaker 2: response from from from the individual. So they'll yell everything
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  Speaker 2: they can to make any kind of movements and noises
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  Speaker 2: right in your face to them, and you don't ever
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  Speaker 2: graduate until you have no response. M Wait a minute,
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  Speaker 2: I have a better picture of it, if you want
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  Speaker 2: me to pull it up.
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  Speaker 7: You think about scientology as or religion. It's basically like
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  Speaker 7: the ultimate corporatism. So what they want is the most cold,
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  Speaker 7: calculating person possible with no emotions. And they have all
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  Speaker 7: these different methods of ridding the person of all emotions,
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  Speaker 7: so they could be the perfect psychopath.
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  Speaker 1: That is an interesting logo.
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  Speaker 5: It just gives me processed vibes, right, I was gonna say, right.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely. I mean there's something. Maybe it's a start
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  Speaker 2: spinning that real fast. It's going to start looking like
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  Speaker 2: a swastika real quick. To this the synograd or the sonograd.
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  Speaker 4: You know.
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  Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying, dude, You start spending that it's
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  Speaker 2: gonna look like it's gonna look like the Swasika walls
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  Speaker 2: it out real fast.
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  Speaker 5: It's like there's some some kind of symmetry. Maybe there's
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  Speaker 5: some kind of occult science behind it.
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  Speaker 2: I don't. I think that's part of it. Sure, Dan,
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  Speaker 2: you know that's why we see things like with all
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  Speaker 2: these birds with all their angles right the order, Yes,
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  Speaker 2: listen for angles and stuff.
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  Speaker 1: The weird thing about Synanon is it takes such a
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  Speaker 1: weird turn because like it starts off with the game
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  Speaker 1: right and you're like braiding each other to get get
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  Speaker 1: the person clean, but then it turns into like what
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  Speaker 1: no kids.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean we're we'll just does but uh, it's
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  Speaker 8: something interesting that I wanted to point out, which you
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  Speaker 8: could do a shiploaded research on this and then this
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  Speaker 8: hardly ever comes up. But I'm glad I saw it.
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  Speaker 8: It's it reminds me of Bill Wilson with AA. So
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  Speaker 8: you know, there was a lot of in this area
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  Speaker 8: of California. Of course, there was a lot of experimental
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  Speaker 8: studies going on with LSD, and he got into one
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  Speaker 8: of them, Chuck did, and he had an LSD trip
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  Speaker 8: probably one of the more nicer ones you could have
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  Speaker 8: in these MK ultra studies. But I don't even remember
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  Speaker 8: the guy. I think it was Sidney Cohen. It was
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  Speaker 8: somebody very notable that was hooking this up. So you
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  Speaker 8: look at and see that these things like he's mentioning
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  Speaker 8: JJ's mentioning scientology similarities. And then you have this guy
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  Speaker 8: participating in one of these MK ultra studies, and he
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  Speaker 8: wanted to incorporate what he learned into the game and
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  Speaker 8: other aspects of their there's the stuff they were doing.
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  Speaker 8: But he didn't want the people to do drugs. He
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  Speaker 8: didn't want them to kind of have that thing that
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  Speaker 8: he had, and so they came up this with this
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  Speaker 8: thing called the Trip, which is like the game on steroids,
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  Speaker 8: and he would sleep deprive them for like.
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  Speaker 9: Three days at least, and then they would have.
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  Speaker 8: These breakthrough spiritual experience experiences and that kind of started
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  Speaker 8: drawing in people more. And they also at one point,
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  Speaker 8: I want to say, like ten years into it, it's
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  Speaker 8: not even heroin addicts anymore. It's just they started these
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  Speaker 8: intentional communities, and with the kids, it was more like
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  Speaker 8: work camps, especially the ones that he had. One guy
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  Speaker 8: in his name Space I'm spacing it, but he was
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  Speaker 8: from southern California and he ended up going there. And
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  Speaker 8: he was a black collegiate football player who had an
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  Speaker 8: injury or something. He was going to go to the NFL,
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  Speaker 8: but he ends up there because his wife was on
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  Speaker 8: pills or some shit, and Chuck Didrich's wife's black. He
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  Speaker 8: married an ex heroin addict from New York. I don't
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  Speaker 8: remember her name. But this football player sees this and
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  Speaker 8: he's like this, this is like they accept everybody, and
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  Speaker 8: so he went in there and he becomes like the
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  Speaker 8: drill start for the kids, and the stories vary, but
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  Speaker 8: there was a lot of physical abuse.
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  Speaker 9: They started on.
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  Speaker 8: The line on like their rules were no violence and
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  Speaker 8: you know, no drug use, but they said the violence
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  Speaker 8: thing kind of you know, it had a it was
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  Speaker 8: very flexible when it came to the kids. Let's just say,
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  Speaker 8: and these kids start running away at one point, and
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  Speaker 8: oftentimes they would end up calling the cops and the
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  Speaker 8: cops would just come take them right back, or the
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  Speaker 8: parents themselves would come take them right back. And there
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  Speaker 8: was all these stories about like humiliation rituals if you
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  Speaker 8: were caught breaking rules in these work camps and.
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  Speaker 1: If you got pregnant, they would take your baby away
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  Speaker 1: and put them in a hatchery.
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  Speaker 9: Yes, is that what it was called? A patchery?
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  Speaker 8: Because this thing evolves, they start raising the kids. It's
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  Speaker 8: in a communal way, and a lot of these kids
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  Speaker 8: would see their parents like once a week if that.
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  Speaker 8: And some of them didn't even know who their actual
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  Speaker 8: births pre parents were.
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  Speaker 9: They were just raised by the community.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, there's a lot of good stories from these
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  Speaker 8: A lot of these kids that got out in their
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  Speaker 8: teens kind of blown the whistle on this stuff. But
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  Speaker 8: they started shaving their heads. At one point, he makes
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  Speaker 8: them swap wives. Near the end, like these guys all
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  Speaker 8: start swapping wives because he gets divorced or his wife dies,
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  Speaker 8: she gets cancer and dies, and then he gets remarried
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  Speaker 8: and he decides, hey, this worked for me. So he
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  Speaker 8: tells everybody they have to like stop seeing the partner
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  Speaker 8: they're seeing. They have this ceremony where they break their
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  Speaker 8: marital ties and then they regroup and some of them
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  Speaker 8: stayed together, some of them ended up back with their
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  Speaker 8: old partners, but a lot of these people just escaped,
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  Speaker 8: and a lot like As it goes further and he
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  Speaker 8: starts changing the rules. Throughout the years, they start losing
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  Speaker 8: people and a lot of people start speaking out. So
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  Speaker 8: this lawyer guy gets under their tail because they have
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  Speaker 8: all these custody battles going on and there's all this
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  Speaker 8: like accusations of abuse from these kids that are getting
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  Speaker 8: out and ex members kids are still in there, so
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  Speaker 8: it's just a shit show. And this lawyer guy goes
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  Speaker 8: after him hard, and Diedrich would make these videotapes that
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  Speaker 8: he would put throughout the compounds and he starts threatening
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  Speaker 8: physical violence against anybody who fucks with them legally, and
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  Speaker 8: a long story short, this fucking guy ends up with
• 17:25
  Speaker 8: a rattlesnake in his mailbox and gets bit, almost dies
• 17:31
  Speaker 8: in the hospital. And they traced it back to these
• 17:34
  Speaker 8: these kids into work camps. They kind of became militant
• 17:37
  Speaker 8: when they were in their adulthood and they would train
• 17:39
  Speaker 8: in northern California and they were really good with rattlesnakes.
• 17:42
  Speaker 8: They would catch them and eat them, and so it
• 17:45
  Speaker 8: was actually pretty obvious who it was. They ended up
• 17:48
  Speaker 8: tracing it back to these guys. Diedrich goes into hiding,
• 17:52
  Speaker 8: and I mean I skipped a lot of this stuff.
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: Because then he becomes an alcoholic again.
• 17:56
  Speaker 9: Yeah, oh he starts he starts drinking in the end too.
• 18:00
  Speaker 8: And like, I don't know if you guys have any questions,
• 18:02
  Speaker 8: it could jar some finer details, but yeah, in a nutshell,
• 18:06
  Speaker 8: this guy gave the church over to his daughter, and
• 18:13
  Speaker 8: then all these people that were running these youth programs
• 18:16
  Speaker 8: branch out and start these troubled team industry camps that
• 18:20
  Speaker 8: are still going on to this day.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, all of this sounds like scientology from the arranged marriages.
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: That's more so even on the process side of the
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: dark side of scientology there. Yeah, they do what they
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: are real heavy on the arranged marriages and telling folks
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: who and who they cannot have sex with. And then
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: you talk about the ritles think business. They call that
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: fair game, right, so you're allowed to do whatever you
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: want to upon the critics of scientology. This is per
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: a memo from l Ron Hubbard himself aka source as
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: they call them. But the idea of these Scientology doesn't
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: view children as children of them as old aliens and
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: young people's bodies. So they're the ones developed a lot
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: of this taxpayer funded camps to send kids to in
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: these drug rehab centers. So well, I assert that a
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: lot of this stuff from sending On came from is scientology.
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: You know, I think a lot of that ship fell
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: was falling apart by the late sixties when scientology came
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: out with a more overt scientology form of Narconon.
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: I remember that.
• 19:22
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, Well, when you get into el Ron Hubbard,
• 19:25
  Speaker 5: you also get into you know, masturbation parties in the
• 19:32
  Speaker 5: desert with Jack Parsons and uh.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: Making moon children and and hobby hobby. We all have hobbies,
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: you know. These people are freaks, they're they're.
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: Well, I have ambitions.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: But he was a man with goals, jewels. He was
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: a man in the desert is one of those goals.
• 19:55
  Speaker 5: It's it's it's wild how how much that cult has
• 19:59
  Speaker 5: blown up.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's what it is. Can't deny that.
• 20:06
  Speaker 6: Those kids with the rattlesnake didn't get them first.
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: That is crazy.
• 20:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah, they have a rattlesnake just bite you, and they
• 20:14
  Speaker 5: took that as like a sign to then use rattle
• 20:19
  Speaker 5: snakes or like that's odd.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: Paralized the guy, right, he was paralyzed for life, right.
• 20:27
  Speaker 9: I don't remember if he was paralyzed. He said, yeah, they.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: Started eating rattlesnakes.
• 20:33
  Speaker 8: Well, they had these little training camps because they they
• 20:36
  Speaker 8: they had what was it called, It was almost like
• 20:38
  Speaker 8: a marine name. They had their own branch of the military.
• 20:43
  Speaker 8: Near the end, there's a lot of these kids that
• 20:45
  Speaker 8: did well in the work. Good advance to this other
• 20:48
  Speaker 8: little shaved.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: Head sending on weird hatchery fucks that grew up and
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: ate rattlesnake.
• 20:55
  Speaker 8: So a couple of these, a couple of these guys
• 20:57
  Speaker 8: just got the idea, Like the guy was kind of
• 21:01
  Speaker 8: watching his back. But the lawyer, and I don't know,
• 21:07
  Speaker 8: he's even said that when he looked in there, he thought, well,
• 21:10
  Speaker 8: what the fuck, that's a weird shaped package. Maybe it's
• 21:12
  Speaker 8: like a scarf or a I don't know, had these
• 21:16
  Speaker 8: ideas of what it could have been. And it was
• 21:18
  Speaker 8: just a fucking snake sitting under a bunch of bells.
• 21:20
  Speaker 9: Tail off. Yeah, so it.
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: Could oh shit, so you could hear it?
• 21:24
  Speaker 9: Wow?
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: Right, there was another guy. Some kids escaped from sending
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: On and ran to like this farmer guy's house, and
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: these guys, these militant guys showed up beat him almost
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: to death and almost the kids goot.
• 21:40
  Speaker 8: Well, this ranch became known for helping their kids, these
• 21:43
  Speaker 8: kids escape and then it was almost like an underground
• 21:45
  Speaker 8: railroad for escape ease. And then they started spreading rumors
• 21:51
  Speaker 8: amongst the kids that they would shoot you dead. But yeah,
• 21:55
  Speaker 8: because they wanted to just stay. But these were these
• 21:57
  Speaker 8: were the people that would call the cops, and the
• 21:59
  Speaker 8: cops would show up to this ranch and then oftentimes,
• 22:02
  Speaker 8: like I said, just drive them right back. And one
• 22:05
  Speaker 8: day this guy got the shit kicked out of him.
• 22:08
  Speaker 8: He had his kids in the car. One of them
• 22:10
  Speaker 8: got out and ran off and hid, and the daughter
• 22:13
  Speaker 8: was in the car, the wife was in the car,
• 22:14
  Speaker 8: and they just reached in through the window and just
• 22:17
  Speaker 8: started pummeling him.
• 22:18
  Speaker 9: And there was some other I.
• 22:20
  Speaker 7: Know, we're all probably poor, but let's face it, we
• 22:23
  Speaker 7: made a movie that scenario right there, just playing out
• 22:28
  Speaker 7: with these kids part of this cult training and then
• 22:32
  Speaker 7: you know all the shit that they get into.
• 22:34
  Speaker 6: That would be a big time winning movie.
• 22:36
  Speaker 8: The thing well, I watched Fight Club pretty recently, probably
• 22:40
  Speaker 8: within like the last three years, and the Project Mayhem,
• 22:44
  Speaker 8: the Space Monkeys them shaving their heads. I think a
• 22:47
  Speaker 8: lot of this stuff comes from Synanon that you see
• 22:49
  Speaker 8: in pop culture.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: Process.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Operation Chaos the smiley face symbol using the fight club.
• 22:58
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that day.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: And I'm beginning to realize Lateal County, Idaho is a
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: processed church apicenter of activity where the University of Ida
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: is located. Chuck Palinook's father died of mysterious murder in
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: July of nineteen ninety nine and Latesal County, Idaho.
• 23:15
  Speaker 8: Yeah, he writes about that and Stranger than Fiction, which
• 23:18
  Speaker 8: is just as good as his fiction. It's all the
• 23:21
  Speaker 8: weird shit that he's seen through his life. What was
• 23:23
  Speaker 8: is this really society?
• 23:25
  Speaker 9: He was involved with them too, you know about that?
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: Can check that out.
• 23:29
  Speaker 9: What the society, Well, yeah.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: They're an offshoot of I would argue they're an offshoot
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: of this whole Discordianism, this whole chaos movement of the process,
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: and that's why they're the posts behind the burning man
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: right society?
• 23:43
  Speaker 9: Yeah, and which one does it come? Paul Knook was
• 23:46
  Speaker 9: deep into them for a while.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so you know it's interesting, you know, he mean,
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: I guess it's interesting timing his movie gets big the
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: same time his father gets murdered. As one thing, But
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: speaking of things strange with infection, the murder mistigation into
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: his father's death may as well be fiction because that,
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: you know, it's the same ship we're seeing play out
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: right now in the same county against the case against
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: Brian Coburger.
• 24:08
  Speaker 9: I didn't even realize that was the.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: Dictionalized murder investigations. They're just making it up.
• 24:13
  Speaker 6: God damn. Yeah.
• 24:15
  Speaker 8: I grew up in Idaho, so all that stuff, like,
• 24:16
  Speaker 8: I know that whole area pretty well.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay, what do you got? What do you see now?
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: But were you there when Palinok's father was murdered?
• 24:23
  Speaker 8: No, I mean I would have been living in like
• 24:26
  Speaker 8: southeast Idaho, so Idaho Falls, Twin Falls, the Twin yea,
• 24:34
  Speaker 8: So I probably came onto that story later.
• 24:37
  Speaker 9: I would have been pretty young when that happened.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: But I just found out about it. So you're way
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: ahead of me, sir.
• 24:42
  Speaker 8: Oh, I just read everything that guy wrote. He's kind
• 24:44
  Speaker 8: of turned into shit lately.
• 24:46
  Speaker 9: But I don't know.
• 24:47
  Speaker 8: Do you guys have any other questions about syning on
• 24:49
  Speaker 8: before Julia does her first one?
• 24:51
  Speaker 9: Like I said, I just skimmed over a lot.
• 24:53
  Speaker 8: I mean, there was so much that happened throughout this
• 24:56
  Speaker 8: thing that, Yeah, you.
• 24:57
  Speaker 9: Could do three or four podcast episodes on I didn't
• 25:01
  Speaker 9: want to, Oh, go ahead, go ahead.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: I was gonna say it was one of the least
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: interesting ones out of all if you can imagine that.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: And I made fun of him and I kept calling
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: him this cinnamon cult. But it just is this cinnabon, Yeah, cinnabon.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: But I mean, if you can imagine it being one
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: of the least interesting ones, you can probably use your
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: imagination for what the rest of the cults are.
• 25:29
  Speaker 9: Going to be like.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't know if you guys have any questions,
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: but Synanon, it's like it follows that basic formula like
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: kind of cult thing, like separation from the family, you know,
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: take the kids away, swap wives, shave heads, very Manson esque,
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: you know, cult story.
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, it's a weird thing over by me.
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: When I was growing up with that, I said that
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: place was on the lake over by Lake round conco
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: Wand the crazy thing with that is that you watch
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: I can't remember the original one, but it changed three
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: times and it was always a TC and it was
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: just like, all right, so.
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: What do you just kind of went out of business
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: and created a new z, started brought in a neon.
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's all it was went from they went from
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: Apple to Phoenix House and something before.
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah yo.
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: And you know you were saying, like manual work. You'd
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: see those dudes just digging random holes in the fucking.
• 26:24
  Speaker 8: Yard, digging them and sometimes they would have them dig
• 26:27
  Speaker 8: holes and fill them back up all day.
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: Spoons, Yo, You see motherfuckers out in the through out
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: the yard, look like they're using like a spoon or something.
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: I have been told that they'll make them wear like
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: there was people that I was in rehabs with that
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: was in these places and they said that they've had
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: to wear costumes, they had to wear a sign saying
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: why they're in trouble, and they can't talk all day
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: and people could say whatever the fuck they want to them.
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: I was like, Yo, that is some sick ship. I
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: should you not listen to me too?
• 26:53
  Speaker 8: Where they're standing there and that people are just screaming
• 26:55
  Speaker 8: in their ear, How worth this you are?
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: And I mean bull baiting. We got a bull bait
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: that you gotta bull bait the new recruits. That's that's
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: TP one, I believe again, Training Protocol one. You gotta
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: graduate that first, just like you do. And and Project
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: Mayhem there.
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yo one time and then we'll move on to
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: the next one. And because this is how I've already
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: heard stories about all these therapeutic communities and stuff from
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: like other people, I got popped in I think it
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: was like Jamaica or Queens or something with dope on me.
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: I was young, you know, And I ended up going
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: to court because there you pretty much have to see
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: the judge, like right away within twenty four hours in
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: the city, you don't really get bail and go home.
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: So I had to see the judge and like they
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: were bringing up this idea of me. Uh and I
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: think I already had like another case open for like
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: heroin possession, and so basically they were going to consolidate
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: both cases and let's you know, let's just get this
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: over with, you know. And they were suggesting like a
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: drug rehab and they said Samaradan Village. I don't even
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: knew that was a TC. And I was like, you know,
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: I asked the lay. I was like, how how long
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: is this program? He's like about nine months? And I
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: was like, how much time are they going to offer me?
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: So like he asks them, I think they offered like
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: six months, and I was like really, I was like
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: six months for like these peop or whatever. He ends
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: up getting the judges to drop it down to four months.
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: And then I asked him, I said, how long is
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: the wait to get into the program? If I got
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: to sit in jail and wait to get into the program.
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: They said it could be up to three to six months.
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: Wait. I said, yeah, I'll take the fucking jail time.
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: I would too, fuck because I'm not going to make
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: it through the nine months anyway.
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: And if I fucking got kicked out, I had the
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: jail time anyway.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: I was like, Yo, let's just let's just get kissed
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: out of the four months I'll have to do three,
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: let's get this ninety days the fuck over with.
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I'll thank.
• 28:37
  Speaker 9: You right well.
• 28:38
  Speaker 8: And Sinanon figured out early on that they didn't really
• 28:42
  Speaker 8: have tax exemption as a religious status, but they did
• 28:47
  Speaker 8: figure out that if they were doing these rehab programs,
• 28:50
  Speaker 8: they would get government money. And so, like the very
• 28:53
  Speaker 8: situation Nick just described that he went through. That's how
• 28:56
  Speaker 8: a lot of these kids ended up there.
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: Fed said so many motherfuckers of.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: The nasty cycle, right like Nick was just pointing out,
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: it's a nasty cycle. That they know they're signing the
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: people behind this, and they know what they're doing.
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: As far as they want to go to jail, No,
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: you'll just eat shifting I once you want to go
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: to jail.
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: They'll even threaten that.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: That same cycles depicted in the Hair Advice and Inherent
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: the film and Hair Advice depicts the processed church in
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: Los Angeles depicting that same cycle you just described, Nick.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: It's part of the process, you know. It's an economic
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: coal hog effets where they're going to profit from every angle.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: Get them to do movie.
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm doing. I'm doing a review with it on
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: the next month.
• 29:36
  Speaker 8: That's one of That's one of my top five favorite movies.
• 29:39
  Speaker 9: It's my number one favorite movie, sir. Yes, it's a
• 29:41
  Speaker 9: great nice dude.
• 29:42
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I heard you bring it up and you guys
• 29:43
  Speaker 8: were talking about OJ the other day because I had
• 29:46
  Speaker 8: just made her watch it like two days before that.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's a great movie, dude, And like I
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: I connect on it, like I like to say, on
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: a molecular level because I'm a former private investigator myself
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: who also loves Spot. So I got to finish roll
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: on the STUDI.
• 30:01
  Speaker 9: We're gonna call you. What's his name, Speccoli fast Time.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: That's a that's a great movie's name.
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: I wonder.
• 30:17
  Speaker 9: Bartello. That's right.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: He's part if you look at he's part of Project Chaos.
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: He's a CIA operative working of a free clinic in
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: the Hate Nashbury. They're in Los Angeles, but I'm saying
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: like they're kind of paying that that that same setting
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: for you.
• 30:32
  Speaker 9: Definitely you ready for me, Let's go this one.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm so excited. This one's so crazy. Okay, So
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: the first one that I actually talked about in the
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: series is something that Nick you're gonna have a separate
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: episode about, so we'll skip that one. But the second
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: one that I covered is called the Movement for the
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: Restoration of the Ten Commandments of God. That is the
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: entire name of the cult. I mean, try fitting out
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: on a fucking crap top. Nobody's doing it. Longest cult
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: name ever, Yeah, and it was actually it came out
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: of Uganda during the AIDS epidemic. I don't know if
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: you guys have ever heard about this cult, but it
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: is fucking wild from start to finish.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: Literally, I it sounds wild, is.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: Oh my god. So basically their leader was this guy
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: named Joseph Kibbuwi, and he claimed that he was getting
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: static electricity phone calls from the Virgin Mary, and that
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: the Virgin Mary was communicating with him through electronics in
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: his house, like fucking Heather or Poulter guys. Shit, and
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: he'd like put his hands on the TV.
• 31:55
  Speaker 9: And go say he had some kind of a message
• 31:59
  Speaker 9: forever everybody.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: And he literally started an entire cult behind this shit,
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: and he told everybody that the world was going to end.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: He knows because he got a static electricity phone call
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: from the Virgin Mary. He knows this The world is
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: going to end on December thirty first, nineteen ninety nine,
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: and that they all everybody needed to prepare for it.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: That he had thousands of members in this cult, and
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: so basically what he did was he had everybody sell
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: everything that they had, all their possessions.
• 32:36
  Speaker 9: They had this big.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: Party and he they like roasted some pigs and did
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: all this stuff, and it was super ritualistic and weird.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: And then, as you can imagine, after everybody's done all this,
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: because he had all these weird rules, right, like they
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: could only eat on Tuesdays and Saturdays or something like that,
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: and you had to fast every other day. So he
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: had already started like mentally conditioning these people to just
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: be delusional. So they're starved. They weren't allowed to have sex.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: They weren't allowed to you his verbal communication, he made
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: everybody speak in sign language. So you can imagine by
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: the time it gets to like New Year's Eve, he's
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: got all these people completely conditioned. They're starved, they haven't
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: had sex in years, they speak in sign language. I mean,
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: they're you know, fasting, doing all this stuff, and it's
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: in the middle of the AIDS epidemic, so.
• 33:44
  Speaker 9: It's scared.
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: But it's just like, what's it like living in that
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: person's head that's somehow agreed to make this make sense.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: That's what I said to Coleby, because if you were
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: if you were to tell me, like if even if
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: because I'm a I would consider myself to be a Christian,
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: but I don't think you need anything extra to have
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: a relationship with God. But the thing is, like, even
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: if I met someone who was like a profound speaker
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: and had a lot of cool stuff to say and
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: was like a biblical scholar or something like that, and
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: I admired them, even if that was the situation. If
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: you took away my food, you took away my ability
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: to fuck, my husband, and my like you have to
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: speak inside, Like at what point do you say?
• 34:34
  Speaker 9: Fuck you?
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: I don't need any of this to have a relationship
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: with God and get the fuck out of there, like
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: why stick around? And then at one point she was like,
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: nobody use soap. He took away the soap.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: Oh, if everyone smells like shit, they'd realize it. Right,
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: it becomes a community thing, right when you ask that
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: folks don't leave. I think it becomes community right, really.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: I mean because it's like walking around with a dirty
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: bee hole.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: You can't anyone else wants to smell that except for
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: other folks who also don't.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: I was like, you take away my food. First off,
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: fuck you, You take away my language, definitely, yeah, that is crazy,
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: my ability to fuck definitely fuck you. And then you
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: take away my soap.
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: It's like a like all of those separately was enough
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: for me to say elaa, like.
• 35:28
  Speaker 9: Like what goes?
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: All came out?
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: But I guess it's just like the intense belief that
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: this fucking guy is talking to the virgin Mary and
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: she is warning him that the world is gonna end. So,
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: I mean, I guess if you were in Uganda in
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: the middle of the AIDS epidemic and you see bodies
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: piling up all over the place, people are sick, whatever,
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: you might be scared and think that the world is ending.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: But I mean, there were literally thousands of members of
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: the of this movement. But so as you can imagine,
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: New Year's Eve rolls around the world didn't end. So
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: what he decided to do was he took seven hundred
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: and fifty members, not.
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: Even all of them, just damn, you had this many.
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: Holy Yeah, he.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: Had thousands of members. So he took as many as
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: he could fit inside of his church, which was about
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: seven hundred and fifty, boarded up all the windows, boarded
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: up the door, and then he set the fucker on fire.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: He set the fucking church ablaze, and he literally roasted
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: seven hundred and fifty people inside of this church.
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: These pictures are crazy, yeah, dude.
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: And then because he couldn't fit everybody inside the church
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: to set it on fire, he decided to poison some
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: of them. Some of them got stabbed, some of them
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: got strained, some of them got poisoned, and they just
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: found fields of bodies and there to this day still
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: digging up bodies in Uganda.
• 37:14
  Speaker 9: That's a lot of fun mass graves.
• 37:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah, an evil son of a bitch that is so
• 37:21
  Speaker 5: many fucking people.
• 37:24
  Speaker 6: Well, just think about it.
• 37:25
  Speaker 7: After he takes all that stuff away from you, there's
• 37:27
  Speaker 7: nothing else you want to do more than kill yourself.
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: These pictures are crazy, but you can pull them up there.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: Charred body.
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if you want to pull up some pictures, they're
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: definitely available for everybody to see. I mean there were
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: mass graves all over Uganda. It actually appeared when investigators
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: started looking into this case that he had peeks because
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: he needed help killing thousands of people. He couldn't do
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: it single handedly. So what he did was he had
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: him and a couple of his buddies just start murdering
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: people for weeks on end. And the big hurrah at
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: the end was locking seven and fifty in the church
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: and setting it on fire.
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: This one that's I guess the church after it burned.
• 38:15
  Speaker 5: There's there's other pictures that you probably see a couple bodies,
• 38:18
  Speaker 5: but it's not visible.
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: There's pictures with bodies in it.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: You should throw some of the body pictures up there
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: because it's wild. It is like it's like, uh literally.
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: Wants me to I just didn't. Okay, okay, cool, I
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: got you.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: It's literally hundreds of bodies like piled up with tarps
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: over them, just roasted like Thanksgiving turkeys, just laid out there.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: And the crazy thing too, is like they discover thousands
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: of bodies whatever he took off and he's never been
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: found to this day. No, he's gotten away with all
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: of this. No one has ever been able to locate
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: this asshole Kiboute since happened.
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: He's not even whole. I was listening to all this wild,
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: So where's the State Department or USAID involved in all this?
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: We've been doing something there for that Kansas the pictures up.
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's like they didn't want to find him.
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems like that, right.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: How big is Uganda in this motherfucker with no soap?
• 39:32
  Speaker 7: Who's that asshole that they had the big campaign against?
• 39:36
  Speaker 7: Do you remember that back in twenty twelve, Kobe or
• 39:39
  Speaker 7: Cody twenty twelve?
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: Didn't they make it? But didn't make that up?
• 39:43
  Speaker 9: Yeah, like that seems like some kind of experiment, Like.
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying.
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: This was like a shit.
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I do.
• 39:50
  Speaker 8: Remember that assion that people were passing around like burnt
• 39:54
  Speaker 8: DVDs of that guy on college right and ship he
• 39:58
  Speaker 8: was from Uganda.
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: Another picture.
• 40:00
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't know where Cony twenty twelve was supposed
• 40:04
  Speaker 7: to be, but it's.
• 40:07
  Speaker 6: This is so much worse.
• 40:08
  Speaker 7: Than anything Cony twenty twelve ever was.
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: Well, it's like he's still the loose. He's still on
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: the loose.
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: That's the crazy, wasn't it Cony?
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: Maybe it was this happened. You would think he would
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: be like on some type of like FBI's most Wanted
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: list or some shit. Seven hundred fIF burnt alive and
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: then thousands buried in mass graves all over You gone
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: to stabed.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: Strangled, something about a cave.
• 40:41
  Speaker 9: Yeah, didn't they start finding different locations.
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: They found locations all over You gotta where he got
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: just buried people?
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: No, this is crazy, wasn't it him?
• 40:53
  Speaker 8: And like twelve other dudes that kind of kind of
• 40:56
  Speaker 8: just rounded them all up. And if you had certain levels,
• 41:00
  Speaker 8: like you were allowed to commit suicide or they could
• 41:02
  Speaker 8: help you die.
• 41:03
  Speaker 9: No, that was solar. Okay, So this is of aids.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: I want to say, let's see hereties. It was the
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: It was the early eighties when it's when it came
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: into formation, and then it took until nineteen ninety nine,
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: when the end of the world was coming for this
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: all to dissolve. But he had like a good ten
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: year run, which is why he had thousands. Yo.
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: What yo.
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: I would almost wonder if that was aocalyptic belief system,
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: right mm hmm, yeah.
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's like a doomsday kind of cult. The
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: only thing that sets them apart, in my opinion, is
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: this whole static electricity phone call thing from the Virgin Mary.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: He didn't claim to have supernatural powers other than the
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: fact that he was just chosen and was receiving this information.
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: And because it was in the middle of AIDS, I
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: do think that people already had that pandemic state of
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: mind where it's like, maybe the world really is ending.
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: Look at all these people dropping dead, you know, from
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: this this uncurable thing. So you know, he takes away
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: the soap, your language, your food, your sex, everything, and
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: then he sets you on fire in a church. This
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: dude is literally insane.
• 42:29
  Speaker 9: And still.
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: This is also very Jones sound like it all sounds
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: very MKL for experiment, Like you know, like where you're
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: you're incrementally causing more trauma within this this group that
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: you're obviously probably taking notes about and experimental and type fashion.
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: But I think these lack of intelligence agencies as I
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: call them, they bake into these these these experiments.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it does. It is very mk ultra
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: like to me, because it's like you have to take
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: away everyone's I guess, like the simple luxuries in life,
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: and then you just get down to your very basic
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: living and then.
• 43:12
  Speaker 9: It's like.
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: Whatever Joseph says, that's the thing, because you have nothing else.
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: He's taken everything else from you.
• 43:22
  Speaker 9: But you have this.
• 43:23
  Speaker 5: Guy, you know what I mean, this guy even who
• 43:26
  Speaker 5: just by looking at him, I'd.
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: Never fall him.
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: No, And it's like, look at this motherfucker is he
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: You're telling me that they can't find this guy?
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: Right? Well?
• 43:38
  Speaker 7: Nick, do you remember that episode we did with the
• 43:41
  Speaker 7: rapper guy who lived in Uganda for like five years.
• 43:46
  Speaker 6: His description of the place.
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: I remember what he was talking about, but I can't remember.
• 43:51
  Speaker 6: That was way back.
• 43:52
  Speaker 7: He said that place was so unfucking believable, Like the
• 43:56
  Speaker 7: amount of like dumb fuckery that just goes on in
• 43:59
  Speaker 7: your onto every single day. It's like it's a completely
• 44:03
  Speaker 7: different planet of just people acting like shit hats.
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: I remember, that's what.
• 44:09
  Speaker 9: It seems like.
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: It seems lawless to me. I mean, how do you
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: get And it's like after so that the other people
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: in Uganda that were not a part of this movement,
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: they said, after the church caught on fire and all
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: those people burned up, the smell of rotting flesh was
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: so strong for weeks on end that the people in
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: the surrounding areas couldn't even eat food. It smelled so
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: terrible for so long, they were disgusted. They couldn't even
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: like go outside. It stung so bad. And you're telling
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: me that this guy that did this, no one ever
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: looked for him.
• 44:50
  Speaker 9: He's just gone. He vanished. He's a fucking ghost.
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: It just doesn't make sense to me, Like, really, he
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: just disappeared.
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: All the head doesn't make sense to me.
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: It sounds like the ritual human sacrifice there at the
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: end of the fire was sponsored by Coca Cola.
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah right, They drank like what twenty cases.
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: Or said, seventy crates of it. I don't know when
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: it's in a crate, but they had seventy crates in
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: that fire. For that party that blew up, So it
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: sounds like it was sponsored by Coca Cola.
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: Right. They were like, well, since we've starved you and
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: you haven't soaked your bee hole in about five years,
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: we thought you could use a good old coke.
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: Come come to our End Times party. We're gonna have
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: plenty of coke and Coca Cola.
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: Was this the Was this guy literally saying it was
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: a phone call in his head?
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: No, No, he was saying, like the phone would ring
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: in his house and he'd pick it up and it'd
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: be the Virgin Mary telling him.
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: The Rhow okay, I thought it was in his head. No,
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: so you hear it ringing and you decide to entswer
• 45:53
  Speaker 4: it in your head.
• 45:54
  Speaker 9: He said.
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: All the electronics in his home were possessed by the
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: Virgin Mary and would like his toaster, his microwave, they
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: were all possessed by the Virgin Mary. He couldn't even
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: throw a toaster strudel in because that bitch was like
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: the world's gonna end in nineteen ninety nine. Just get ready.
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: That's an unfortunate circumstance. You can't even toast the toaster's crudele.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: That'll drive a man mad I do find it interesting
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: that that is the this is no secret, Like so
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: you're saying no one found this too, but it's no
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: secret there that. I was just reading an article from
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: the state newspaper about, you know, a year in advance
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: to this, where they're interviewing at the Ugana State Newspaper,
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: they're interviewing a cult members saying, we all got to prepare.
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: You know, the world's ending next year, so the whole
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: you know, it seemed like everybody knew about.
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: These people, right right, Yeah, So it's not like they
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: were underground or anything like that. I mean the government,
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: you god in government was very aware of their existence.
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: But it's like they just he's the most uncatchable fucker
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: of all time. I guess.
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: Nobody gone, and where's Waldo? That's to this guy?
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah but yeah, no, that's so that's the movement for
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: the restoration of the Ten Commandments of God. That's definitely
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: a cult. For anybody out there listening. If you want
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: to dive in a little bit deeper, you should. It's
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: really fucked up. It's even been featured on an episode
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: of Ancient Aliens because they said that the Virgin Mary
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: entity that he was communicating with was an alien and
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: that this was all legit.
• 47:29
  Speaker 9: Like, okay, as we.
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: Got an ancient alien the post or you know, apocalyptical
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: going on the ship doing weird sex stuff. It's not
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: always They're not always having sex. They just have weird
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: sexual fetishes.
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: There's always a control off in your.
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: Dick's off evans Gate style right.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: Of no ship. But I think Colby, unless you guys
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: have any questions, Colby's ready with his next lie.
• 47:54
  Speaker 9: You guys don't have anything else to say about this ship.
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: Which one are you doing next?
• 48:04
  Speaker 8: Oh, this one's weird. It's called the Church of Happy Science.
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: It sounds nice.
• 48:12
  Speaker 9: Okay, Well, this is a Japanese cult, and I think that.
• 48:20
  Speaker 8: You guys might know more about this. But after World
• 48:23
  Speaker 8: War Two and what happened culturally in Japan, they just
• 48:27
  Speaker 8: kind of became wide open for this ship, and a
• 48:29
  Speaker 8: whole bunch of colts started from like the children of
• 48:33
  Speaker 8: the survivors of World War Two.
• 48:35
  Speaker 9: It was just a different era for everybody.
• 48:37
  Speaker 8: And when I was studying this, uh, it seems like
• 48:42
  Speaker 8: they were just one of many. And there's the famous
• 48:45
  Speaker 8: Japanese cult in the nineties that had the seren Gas
• 48:51
  Speaker 8: bump bumbled false flag operation there, and these these guys
• 48:55
  Speaker 8: actually cross paths.
• 48:56
  Speaker 9: So what was that one. I'm sure you guys heard
• 48:59
  Speaker 9: of that one with the Sarah and Gas.
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: In the nineties, they were also referred to as the
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: doom Stay cults.
• 49:05
  Speaker 7: They had the blind guy that was leading down Yeahhara.
• 49:11
  Speaker 7: They had strange bathing practices too, I think.
• 49:14
  Speaker 8: Yeah, So I was thinking about covering that one, but
• 49:16
  Speaker 8: it seems like it's more widely covered. And then I
• 49:18
  Speaker 8: saw this one when I was looking into that. So
• 49:20
  Speaker 8: the Church of Happy Science is kind of a different one.
• 49:23
  Speaker 8: It's it's not really doomsday ask so much.
• 49:26
  Speaker 9: But I think it's one of the more ridiculous ones.
• 49:30
  Speaker 8: So this chubby, little Japanese boy, his name was Rioho Okawa,
• 49:39
  Speaker 8: and so this kid was kind of just your average
• 49:43
  Speaker 8: second child. He had a you know, shadow casted over
• 49:47
  Speaker 8: him by his overachieving brother, who the dad loved more.
• 49:51
  Speaker 8: And you know that old chestnut and he it's second grade. Like,
• 49:56
  Speaker 8: this guy is a prolific writer. Throughout his life, Rioho
• 50:00
  Speaker 8: wrote thousands of books, and in one year alone he
• 50:04
  Speaker 8: was said to have written fifty two. But this guy,
• 50:06
  Speaker 8: this guy was a prominent lecturer, so they would actually
• 50:09
  Speaker 8: transcribe his lectures and count that.
• 50:12
  Speaker 9: But he published thousands of books over his lifetime.
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: But sounds like Japanese l Ron Hubbard. Huh.
• 50:19
  Speaker 8: So I was looking on rational Wicca to kind of refresh,
• 50:22
  Speaker 8: and so he had a background.
• 50:24
  Speaker 9: We'll get into it in day trading.
• 50:25
  Speaker 8: And they called this guy the Japanese day trader turned
• 50:29
  Speaker 8: el Ron, so.
• 50:30
  Speaker 9: I mean already known as that.
• 50:33
  Speaker 8: So he had an older brother, like I said, that
• 50:37
  Speaker 8: was an overachiever, and Riojo was just kind of basic
• 50:40
  Speaker 8: ass bitch average, if not just.
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: Like a chubby Buddha that had nowhere to go.
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: Well, that's definitely Lron.
• 50:51
  Speaker 9: He quotes his second grade teacher of telling him he
• 50:54
  Speaker 9: had the IQ of Albert Einstein and that he was
• 50:57
  Speaker 9: the smart as he was as smart as a twenty
• 50:59
  Speaker 9: one year old man.
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: All roun again to speak seven languages and graduate college
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: at the age of sixteen. All these were false.
• 51:05
  Speaker 8: Well, once we get to this, this guy is him.
• 51:08
  Speaker 8: This is him, so you don't oz empic.
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: He's got more hair than Elron.
• 51:14
  Speaker 8: He actually kind of slimmed up as he became an
• 51:16
  Speaker 8: adult guy. But he like this is how much this
• 51:21
  Speaker 8: dude craved attention. People started making fun of his way
• 51:24
  Speaker 8: in grade school, calling him a sumo wrestler, so he
• 51:27
  Speaker 8: like rolled with it and tried to become a sumo
• 51:29
  Speaker 8: wrestler for a little while.
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: Like this guy has no identity whatsoever.
• 51:34
  Speaker 8: Yeah, and so he ends up getting into this Tokyo
• 51:39
  Speaker 8: University program, ends up over in New York for a while.
• 51:42
  Speaker 9: This is how egotistical this guy is.
• 51:44
  Speaker 8: He met another Asian student over there that was doing
• 51:47
  Speaker 8: the same program, and she spoke two languages and it
• 51:50
  Speaker 8: pissed him off. She spoke two more languages than he did,
• 51:53
  Speaker 8: and he quit the program over that.
• 51:55
  Speaker 9: So he goes back. He ends up like an art school, making.
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: Him fucking clay.
• 52:00
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: In Einstein shit.
• 52:02
  Speaker 8: He starts thinking big for himself when he's kind of
• 52:05
  Speaker 8: just coasting through the collegiate years, and he decides that
• 52:09
  Speaker 8: he's a channeler and he channels this I don't remember
• 52:12
  Speaker 8: which one, but it's an ancient Buddhist figure that he channels,
• 52:17
  Speaker 8: and this figure tells him he needs to start his
• 52:20
  Speaker 8: own church, and he starts having like meetings like student
• 52:25
  Speaker 8: centers and shit like that in the beginning, but this
• 52:27
  Speaker 8: thing takes off and he he just has all these
• 52:30
  Speaker 8: predictions and shit that he's telling everybody that this Buddhist
• 52:33
  Speaker 8: figure is channeling through him. And this is where it
• 52:37
  Speaker 8: gets kind of nice. I think this is the happiest
• 52:39
  Speaker 8: part of the story. His dad sees what he's doing,
• 52:42
  Speaker 8: sees that it's growing, and joins him, and he starts
• 52:45
  Speaker 8: like transcribing all of his lectures, and as the years
• 52:50
  Speaker 8: roll on, he starts channeling basically anybody, Like at first
• 52:54
  Speaker 8: it's like it's these old ancient gods, and then he
• 52:58
  Speaker 8: starts channeling like celebrity.
• 53:00
  Speaker 9: He starts channeling people that are still alive.
• 53:03
  Speaker 8: He starts channeling Barack Obama, He's channel Donald Trump.
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: And he says, now in the process some process highlights there, sir,
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: I'm definitely enjoying the stage. AJ.
• 53:13
  Speaker 8: I'm glad you're here for this, because I as we
• 53:15
  Speaker 8: were studying these, I'm wondering, like, how many how much
• 53:18
  Speaker 8: of this is CIA, how much of this is process?
• 53:21
  Speaker 4: I think.
• 53:23
  Speaker 8: Footnotes because it's yeah, they all have like a center
• 53:27
  Speaker 8: line that they connect on. They all get a little weird,
• 53:29
  Speaker 8: but they all kind of come back to the same spot.
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: Well, specifically, you're talking shing Gun Buddhism. That's part of
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: the process. Stuff that's noted in a number of crimes.
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: And then you're talking and reports and you're talking, uh,
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: the the idea that you know that you're channeling somebody
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: who's already is not dead yet, I mean, the idea,
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: it's just I can't it's hard for me to say.
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: It's fucking looney tunes.
• 53:50
  Speaker 9: But he said he's channeling their spirit guide.
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: Okay, so Mary, unless he was the reincarnation of Joseph
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: Gebels who was not dead yet. So that's what that's
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: what that reminded me of.
• 54:01
  Speaker 9: Okay, that's interesting.
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: And it may be a spiry guy thing there too,
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure, but you know, it is a striking similarity.
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: He channeled Freddy Mercury.
• 54:12
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I.
• 54:14
  Speaker 8: Got up when she was doing hers. I was looking
• 54:15
  Speaker 8: for my notes because I have a list of people
• 54:17
  Speaker 8: this fucker channeled. But the Freddie Mercury one is really
• 54:20
  Speaker 8: interesting because this guy's I didn't really touch on it much,
• 54:24
  Speaker 8: but this guy's like belief system that he made these
• 54:28
  Speaker 8: people swallow if you joined, was that we are living
• 54:33
  Speaker 8: on It reminded me of Mormonism. We're living on layers
• 54:37
  Speaker 8: of celestial realities.
• 54:39
  Speaker 9: And you could climb to nine.
• 54:43
  Speaker 8: But so the thing about this stuff this guy was
• 54:45
  Speaker 8: preaching when it came to like politics, he was very nationalist.
• 54:49
  Speaker 8: He was very xenophobic and conservative, and a lot of
• 54:53
  Speaker 8: there's a lot of Trump overlap, Like they were really
• 54:56
  Speaker 8: behind Trump in twenty sixteen when he.
• 54:58
  Speaker 6: Were nine angles. That's how like them.
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and he has spot on with the celestial levels
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: of Mormonism. Did you grow up around Mormons and Idaho or.
• 55:07
  Speaker 8: Did you I grew up in a town where there're
• 55:10
  Speaker 8: the students in the high school are ninety one percent lds.
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, high school.
• 55:16
  Speaker 8: Yeah, they all fucked in the parking lot when they're
• 55:19
  Speaker 8: there and their friend.
• 55:22
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 55:22
  Speaker 8: So But the thing that I was laying the groundwork
• 55:27
  Speaker 8: for with all that is Freddie Mercury was channeled and
• 55:30
  Speaker 8: he said that he's on the eighth level because he
• 55:34
  Speaker 8: did so much good with the world. But you know,
• 55:37
  Speaker 8: I can't get in nine because I liked a little
• 55:39
  Speaker 8: cac He couldn't.
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: Get to nine because of his b hole problem.
• 55:43
  Speaker 9: Well what do you want?
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: But he was a scientology that's the lowest level on
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: the tone scales. Reporters, journalists and homos, that's what.
• 55:54
  Speaker 8: So this guy ends up kind of growing this thing
• 55:56
  Speaker 8: pretty quickly, and like I said, he's channeling anybody and
• 56:00
  Speaker 8: everybody under the sun, all this being transcribed and published.
• 56:03
  Speaker 9: His teachings.
• 56:05
  Speaker 8: They his the way he propagandazed. He bought an anime
• 56:09
  Speaker 8: company and they would actually do some pretty decent work.
• 56:14
  Speaker 8: They had nothing to do with the church, and then
• 56:15
  Speaker 8: they would just start throwing little ship in there.
• 56:18
  Speaker 9: And so they were going after that like younger crowd, and.
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: You're talking about octopus cartoons, you know that kind of thing.
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 56:25
  Speaker 9: I don't know if it got on the Dragon.
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: Ball z, but like channeling Freddie Mercury's be holes, that's.
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: What I forget. It was sex related. And I know
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: Japan's got those weird laws where they do.
• 56:35
  Speaker 8: Like, yeah, everybody grows their pubes out, so it blocks
• 56:44
  Speaker 8: the Genitalia porn.
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: Right, you can buy an vending machine right next to
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: the little girls underwear in a Japanese subway, you know
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: what I mean.
• 56:52
  Speaker 4: That's interesting.
• 56:54
  Speaker 8: Well, so he ends up marrying the weird environment that
• 56:57
  Speaker 8: uh he he claimed was okay. So so he claimed
• 57:01
  Speaker 8: to be the reincarnation of Buddha at one point and
• 57:05
  Speaker 8: then when you break it all down, he's Buddha, he's God, he's.
• 57:08
  Speaker 9: Fucking Jesus, said everybody.
• 57:11
  Speaker 8: Yeah, and he's also from Venus, and so he get in.
• 57:16
  Speaker 8: He got into some like old sci fi stuff with
• 57:18
  Speaker 8: like where the race came from. And I mean it's
• 57:21
  Speaker 8: all pretty interesting. We'll just skim over it here. But people, Oh,
• 57:25
  Speaker 8: he said that we should nuke China.
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: I like, I like him already. So are they Venetians
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: or what were they? Tall whites where we talk in
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: your little little little dogon little Japanese fellas whatever they
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: call themselves, the dog people.
• 57:38
  Speaker 9: I'm sorry, I don't know about this.
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: Well they don't. They have some weird dog people kind
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: of alien stuff like in their in their Japanese. Yeah,
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: sure have an ancient alien cargo coltail on their focal
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: And maybe I'm misconstruing the name of it, but I
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: don't think they're only they're dog people. But there's dog
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: something like dog Gone in the Africa. It's something similar
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: to that name.
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: Like an elite bloodline.
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think that the dog thing is only
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: referencing serious, right, it's only which the Mormons, which the
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: rosis you know, you name the ancient alien cargo cult.
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: Is they love sirious fucking I'm muted. Yeah, the dog
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: on trap Dade reference right, the serious reference right to
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: do goone, but they have a similar it's not do Gone,
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: but it's something similar in reference to the Japanese folklore.
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: But it's I think it's all the same reference to
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: the serious mm hmm.
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: He thought he was better than everybody else, Christ.
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: And typical boot I'm saying, did he envision these aliens
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: and being of some other race than himself? Was he
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: one of these kind of characters?
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: He called it the bean, didn't he?
• 58:48
  Speaker 8: No, that was Chris Cordo. Oh, I didn't get into
• 58:52
  Speaker 8: that one.
• 58:53
  Speaker 9: Sorry, I'm on a different These all got so jumbled.
• 58:57
  Speaker 9: I'm actually it's no.
• 58:59
  Speaker 8: It's kind of fun to like break them apart because
• 59:01
  Speaker 8: it was like we cramped for a study once a week,
• 59:03
  Speaker 8: we each did a cult and then moved on to
• 59:06
  Speaker 8: the next one.
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: But I'm always the background of these folks and what
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: their belief system is, right, because like Dwight Yorke, remember Nick,
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: the guy from from the Wesley Snipes ancient alien crogon
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: called they're the new Abbion nation, you know he he
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: he mashed together where he was from Mars, like he
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: had he had Lenias from Mars. You're saying Venus, he
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: his came from Mars, I think, but you know, you uh,
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: you know, came to Earth and married the Morris people
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: or something like that, and he's yeah, weird. He had
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: some wild tales, but his aliens looks a lot like him.
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: Sometimes that doesn't, isn't the case?
• 59:43
  Speaker 4: Crazy?
• 59:44
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I didn't get too much into the mythology of
• 59:47
  Speaker 8: this guy because there's just so much of it.
• 59:50
  Speaker 9: But it does sound a lot like what you're talking there.
• 59:53
  Speaker 8: I mean, it's funny too, how much they just kind
• 59:55
  Speaker 8: of shuffle the story around a little bit.
• 59:56
  Speaker 9: Oh it's Venus, now is Mars over here the planet?
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: Last last season, last cult we had, you know, you
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: got to change the change up the game, lineup a
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: little bit, brings new characters, right, bringing the cousin from
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: the country that comes far in the city sitcom. You know,
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: they gotta they gotta switch up the game a little bit.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: It's always the same formu like you're saying, these cults
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: always have the same formula. I think that's what speaks
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: to the spooky operations to me, right, because why would
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: they all be the same kind of kind of organizational playbook.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 8: Right, Well, it reminds me of religion, like basic stories
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 8: with details that are very disparate, but at the same time,
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 8: it's the same fucking story. It's just we have cultural
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 8: influences on these stories and I can't I think that's
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 8: what they do with these cults. And it's so funny
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 8: that most of the notable ones come out of Northern California,
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 8: which was the Petrie.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 9: Dish of culture.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 8: F sixties, and I mean all of it stems from there,
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 8: and then it branches out across the world because you
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 8: didn't see this ship in the thirties and forties.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 9: Really, I'm sure it was going on like the occult kind.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 8: Of stuff, but it's almost like those people set up
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 8: all this these systems to kind of just like make little.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 9: Experiments.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 8: But these people know the rituals and what you need
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 8: to do to get into a person's head. And I
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 8: mean a lot of these people are scientology, CIA, what
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 8: have you all of it.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: So I think what happened when we see over the
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: years is stuff like you're talking about the I AM
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: movement out of Mount Shasta reaches, the are nothern California,
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: which has largely perpetrated a lot of the theosophical ideals
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: into these ancient Allian Cargo cults. So it's theosoph you know,
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: Mormon Theosophical Society kind of mashy over the I AM
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: over the years. But the process was as an operation,
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: in my opinion, by these joint six Cia, to roll
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: up all these other cults. Right, that's what we have
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: four gods, That's why they can roll up all these
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: other previous operations. Like the evangelical move kind of that
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: kind of erupts at the same time that movement, doesn't.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: I think we lost them.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 9: They mistook him for GD.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 4: Took them out on my back.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 9: While we wait for him. I could continue.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: But so you see William Brandham and the I AM movement,
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: William Branham, evangelical I AM this, you know, the new
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: age human you know self, you know, you know materialization
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: nonsense movement. There they're doing the human movement. So these
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: things all kind of go on. I think those are
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: the pro to early spook operations. And you see the
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: process comes in later, rolls all these things up, you
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: know what I mean, because they have four gods. And
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: they can do that, they can roll up all these
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: previous operations like the evangelical Jesus freaks that they rolled
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: up in seventy four when they became the foundation of
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: faith of the millennium. That would that would be rolling
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: up the previous like William Brandham style of evangelical movements.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying, like, that's why. I think what you're
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: saying is we see a lot of rupped out in
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: Northern California region. That's why, because that's that was a
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: previous operation that later gets rolled up through this well
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: you know, look at I am there. They're the ones
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: behind a lot of the QAnon stuff.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 8: Yeah, and this happy science shit locked arms with QAnon too,
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 8: I mean really yeah, yeah, yeah, there's a lot of.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: That is crazy.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 8: But so this guy ends up marrying a chick and
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 8: he he she was a bit younger than him, you know,
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 8: a hot follower. He got his pick of the litter,
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 8: and I think her name was Kyoko, but she was
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 8: supposedly aphrodite incarnate and they had a son together, and
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 8: she ended up heading the political party that spun out
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 8: of all of this, called the Happiness Realization Party. And this, yeah,
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 8: this was in two thousand. Uh looks like eighteen.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: She was the Yoko to his John Lennon.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 8: No, this this was earlier in two thousand. She was
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 8: that took over everyone. Well, she ended up divorcing them
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 8: and the son left to when he was in his twenties.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 9: His son has a.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 8: Funny story about whether they're deciding if he should channel
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 8: Michael Jackson or not right after he died. And I
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 8: guess the Michael and Jackson channeling impersonation was so horrendous
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 8: that they scrapped it. But his son defected when he
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 8: was in his early twenties, said that his dad was
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 8: making it all up and that he didn't want to
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 8: be a part of it anymore. This is after his
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 8: parents split and then Rioho got a much younger model
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 8: and she was the incarnation of Gaya, so the overall
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 8: he had to do aphrodite, so he went big with
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 8: the new wife. But anyway, in twenty eighteen. As of
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 8: twenty eighteen, this Happiness Realization Party has a shitload of
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 8: local councilors elected, but they don't have any international standing.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 8: But they still do exist. And this guy kind of
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 8: died and just you know, fizzled out. In twenty twenty three.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 8: But another notable thing that they did was during COVID
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 8: And this is when I knew I had heard of them.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 8: So they were offering spiritual vaccines because they said viruses
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 8: didn't exist, and they would offer it was a rolling scale.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 8: You were paying anywhere from one hundred to four hundred
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 8: bucks and they and you would just pay him and
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 8: they would.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 9: Say a prayer for you. That was your spiritual Jabbi.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: Wow, fucking a.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: I was going to say he died at age sixty
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: six too.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 9: Yes, he did. Good.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: That's uh, that's you see that see that a lot o.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 7: Did the spiritual vaccine have any powder attached to it?
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 6: Are you sure that was a deal?
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 8: It probably did and it Yeah, you got your powdered
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 8: spike spiritual proteins.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 9: That'll and it it.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: Was actually a suppository. You had to put it in
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: your b hole.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 4: Are you sure?
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: Whole spirit?
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 9: That was satire, whole portals.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 4: Right, I was like one of the like blowing through
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 4: a tube up there or something.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: They read too much, Crowley, I think.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 8: Yeah, Crowley, baby, I don't know why I'm wearing my
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 8: led Zeppelin shirt on a cole rejects YouTube shirt, but
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 8: you didn't go live today.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: So these folks were shing Ghan Buddhists. Is that would
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: that be an accurate statement?
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 8: I would say that the foundation definitely led there, but
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 8: it kind of just became its long crazy thing.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: But yeah, So so that's interesting to me because according
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: to the files of Ed Sanders, the author of the family,
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: he alleges that the shing Ghan Buddhism was was the largest
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: component of the Four Pie movements. Likely so all these
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: all these the folks were about the chin Gon is
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: really shin Gone and it's shin Gun Buddhism. And it
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: was a specific mis sex cult out of Japan that
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: had mixed Cali worship with Tibetan with a Tibetan shing
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: Gan Buddhism. But they called their leader of the Grand
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: Shingun and that was allegedly Gordon Sanders mainly p Hall.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: But we also see a report out from nineteen eighty
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: two from G. Kelly and Associates, Private Detectiveate and See
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: of New York City, and they lists in their investigation
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: a Buddhist statue being used in ritual human sacrifices in
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: the son of same crimes and the Atlanta child.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 9: Killings, killing in the name Buddha.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so it speaks to this colie worshiping shing Ghan
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: Buddhist cult if you ask me. But it's interesting these
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: folks are doing shing Guan Buddhism.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: Wow, fucking comes out of nowhere.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 8: Before we move on to the next one, JJ, you
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 8: just sparked something I wanted to talk about with these
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 8: other Japanese cults, So.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: I'm aboud to spark something else, but please continue.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 8: The Serenas guy what were their names, Pumshriam, cuss. So
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 8: they got in like a little public beef, spitting back
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 8: and forth at each other, much like Elon and Trump
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 8: are pretending to do right now, and.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 9: They it was like a app battle.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 8: They're just talking ship in their lectures and then fucking
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 8: suddenly this other guy, the saren Gas leader dude puts
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 8: a hit on hit on Riojo.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 9: They lyric we're trying to bomb his car and ship.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: Which is not even a joke because that guy, the
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: guy who was the leader of the Doomsday colt uh
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: what was his name, Osho Asahara. When they rated that
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: guy's compound, he had weapons grade strains of a bola iris,
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: he had helicopters, he.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 8: Had he had compounds set up in Australia through these
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 8: offshoot groups where they had saren gas buried out in
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 8: the Australian desert.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 9: I mean, this guy was definitely definitely put a hit
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 9: out on Rio Hoo. Yeah.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm glad. I'm glad you said that because you
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: remember the guy or the cult the Theodoo shot shinho Abbe,
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: the Prime Minister or whatever of Japan murdered him on
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: that stage few years ago with that makeshift gun. Mm hmm.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: They they had a lot of biological chemicals too within
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: that cult that that was behind that, and they also
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: planned on murdering uh some young Moon's wife, the leader
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: of the main offshoot of the Unification Church. Because you
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: mentioned all this Trump backing, Well, the Unification Church loves
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: themselves with Trump, including the American offshoot with the Sun
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: Yeoman's son, Sean Man. They're the they're the a K
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, they're the ar fifteen. Uh Jesus, you know
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: offshoot of the Unification Church, the Iron and Rod Ministries.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: You familiar with them?
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 9: I haven't heard of I haven't heard of them either.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: Interesting group. They're located in Pennsylvania. It's an off shot
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: of the Unification Church out of South Korea, which was
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: a South Korean Intelligence CIA operation that George Bush was
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: number one was what they called the Moonies. Yeah, that's
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: the Moonies, right, Yeah.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 8: I almost covered too similar to this one, but I
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 8: did look into the Moonies quite a bit.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: They're very similar to and and a lot of their
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: at least they're political and some of their you know,
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: other belief systems to the the what's the right, the
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: right wing, extreme right wing, ancient alien cargo cult, Chinese
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: cult there in New York, the Epoch Times, the like, Yeah,
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: they fund Steve Bannon's operations.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 4: I know what you're talking about. Damn it.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: Yeahway you Why can't I think of the name of
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: this group anyhow?
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 6: They do the type.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: Is it they do?
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 7: Right?
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: Don't all looking at real quick? But they're striking. So
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: it's interesting. You know, we see these these weird intelligence
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: biological agents, you know, equipped cults in Japan. Shot there
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: you go, thank you, thank you, sir.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 4: The Salong Gong, Yeah, that's right.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: Jimmy Fallon Gong the podcast. I think that.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 4: I was like, was it there a cult like that
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 4: and Deer but you were in Deer Park at one point, actually,
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 4: I think and we'll know.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: No, they have a Feurner acre compound much like Dwhy York.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 2: It seems like Foreigner Acre compound is the proper size
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: for these colts. Every time these these colts pop up,
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: they have fourner acre compounds. Right, It's weird to me,
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: but you know the they're they're strikingly something they fund.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: Seve Bannon, by the way, that the Fallon Gong cult,
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: that's all war room broadcast he does. That's all foul
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: and Gong money. It's almost like the Golden Thang. Foull
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: Young Gong is very is very strikingly sellar. So you
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: see you see that. But this is the my point
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: being with the Fallon Gong is all like the Unification folks,
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: but the same the same cult there in Japan that
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: was equipped the same way as you're describing that murdered
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: Shinzo app Abe fell up. They hadn't tended to Their
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: next target was the head of the Unification Church. So
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: these some weird cult wars. It seems like this going
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 2: on amongst these folks, but it is obviously intelligence saving.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: It seems much like the Unification Church again was a
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: South Korean eligency. I a thing with the back to
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: back to when George number one was the Bush number
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: one was the CIA director. Yes, the Moonies.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 7: Yeah, when you kill the other cult leaders, you actually
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 7: get to absorb all of the followers.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: Only if you chop off their head Highlanders style headless.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 9: I think it would be only one Japan cooked. I
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 9: have another.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: I have two more that I kind of wanted.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 8: Well, the last two are are going to go quicker
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 8: because they're the modern ones and they're still like going
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 8: on kind of.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I wanted to talk about Twin Flames and
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: then talk about that.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 4: Ship is fucked up?
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 9: Have you heard of it?
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 5: Yeah?
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 9: Should probably do well. Didn't you have one more before
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 9: I had? Yeah? The Thuggies? Okay, have you guys heard
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 9: of the Thuggies?
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: You so from you?
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 6: Yeah?
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: You think you came on one of our one of
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: the first Friday as you're on with us me and
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: Nick there, we were talking some could stuff. I think
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: you brought that to my attention because I've never heard
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: of it before that.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: So I talk about the Thuggies briefly, and then after that,
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: I think we should end on our two most modern cults,
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: twin Flames, and I won't even say the name of
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: his because it's ridiculous and it gives too much away.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 6: But so the.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: Thuggies, they are actually, in my opinion, one of the
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: oldest cults of all time out of India. Let me
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: pull up my notes here because I want to tell
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: you the time frame because the they, the Thuggie actually
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: were active for hundreds of years. I feel like, hang
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: on just a second. So the Thugie, uh, they come
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: out of India and they have a body count in
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: the millions.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 4: So they they got billions over there, right, what they
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 4: got billions over there?
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 9: You know?
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So the Thuggie exists stood all the way back
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: to seventeen sixty. So they really are one of the
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: oldest cults of all time. But where it really starts
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: to get crazy is in the thirteenth century. That's where
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: most of the debauchery happened, when this guy named Burrahm
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: took over the Thuggy cult and it was all in
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: a devotion to the goddess Cali. And I'm sure you
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: guys are familiar with Cali worship and the blood letting
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: and all of this, So they're one of history's deadliest cults.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: Somewhere in the neighborhood of two million people were murdered
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: by the Thuggie, all in devotion to the goddess Cali.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: And they basically ripped and ran through India for like
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: I said, hundreds of years. And they started using some
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: kind of psychedelic drug that they would give to their
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: vict stems to make them trip out and basically be
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: tripping ball guys.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 2: Right, Yes, this is where the word thug comes from.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 9: Yes, this is this is.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: Where the word thug comes from, which is still used
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: to this day. Obviously, the guy with like the amazing
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: beard and the little to pay thing.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 2: Uh got, he hates the world?
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: The guy right next to him is Brahm with the yeah.
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  Speaker 10: Right there, dude, I mean I can't scroll, So there
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  Speaker 10: we go. Dude, that's the face of a killer.
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: Dude.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 9: Yeah, assassins or something.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: They were assassins, right, welse a lady killer jeels. I
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 2: was going to say, I've seen these guys in James
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: Bond movies.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 9: All of the James Bond movies. These are the villains
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 9: and the assassin guys.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah that he fights out like the middle of the
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: town with the snakes and shit. Yeah, yeah, dude, these guys.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 2: You don't want to mess with these guys.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: No, definitely not, because they would Basically, they'd get their victims,
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: they'd dose them with some kind of a hallucinogen so
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: they were tripping balls, and then they would strangle them
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: to death.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 9: They never they never.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: Cut or stabbed any of their victims because that would
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: be a waste of blood for Cali. So in order
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: to preserve all of the blood so Cali could feast
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: on it. In their theory is that they'd have to
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: strangle their victims, but to subdue them, they would make
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: them hallucinate.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 9: So I mean imagine that is like, yeah, it was.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 9: It wasn't a boga, she said. The name of the
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 9: plant Bella Donna. No, it was some kind of thorn
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 9: apple ship. It was weird. It was one of those
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 9: if you're in the psychedelic world.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the touring they called it the Indian thorn Apple,
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: and then Hunter S.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 8: Thompson famously brought that back into the lexicon much like
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 8: he did Adrena Crown the gypsum.
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 9: Yeah, and these guys were using it to dose people.
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: Like, can you imagine being tripping balls and then some
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: Indian guy just strangling the ship out of you.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 9: Happened to me last night in my sleep.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: Oh god, I mean.
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 9: What it actually so basically checking curry, you get.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: Indian thorn, apple of the bee hole when you need Oh.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 2: God, it was more of a metaphysical stomach strangling. But
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 2: you know it's very similar.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no ship, well actually ship because actual ship. So
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: the Thuggies went went on for for many years, but
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: Burrahm was eventually captured and he was killed for his crimes.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: But this is the part that gets me about this cult.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: So many people speculated that this cult originated as assassins
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: under the employ of one of the most ancient Indian
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: families of all time, which is the Brahmin family.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 8: I was waiting to see Headless's face because he's big
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 8: into camel te uh huh.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: So it shouldn't surprise anyone that Kamala Harris is part
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: of this ancient Brahmin family.
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 2: I mean that where in for president, right.
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: So if the Thuggies were under they were just assassins
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: under the employ of the Brahmin family. It makes sense
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: because when you look at today there are presidential candidates
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: and many like the Weld family is connected to the
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: Boston Brahmins and they are still an active elite family
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: that is up to some weird ship. So members of
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: the Brahmin family that I might recognize would be like
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: President Calvin Coolidge, Franklin D. Roosevelt, Ralph waldo Emerson, Henry
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: Cabot Lodge, Samuel Adams, John Adams founding fathers. They also, yeah,
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: they go back to the Brahmin cast.
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 2: You mean Lee Harvey Oswald's third cousin.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: Oh shit, is that right?
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Oswald's a member of the society, hereditary member. When
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 2: was the lady there in South Carolina? Nicky Nicki Haley,
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: She's Indian Brahman.
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 9: Also John Carry is from the Brahmin cast, and John F.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: Kennedy was not related to the Brahmin, but he was
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: associated with the Bramin through family connections and wealth.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 9: So I mean even to this day.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: I meangies existed all the way back to seventeen sixty,
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: but if they were just assassins for the Brahmin family,
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: and the Brahmin family is still active very much today,
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: going all the way to Kamala Harris Julia, it doesn't
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: surprise me at all. What's up? Pedless.
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 7: Have you ever heard the Bill Cooper show Hour of
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 7: the Time. He had a whole series Mystery Babylon, Mystery Babylon. Right, Yeah,
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 7: man goes over the Assassin Cult and they go all
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 7: the way back.
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 2: To the Knight's templar and like even further. Yeah dude, Yeah,
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 2: that stuff's crazy.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 5: And then he dude that there's an episode on there
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 5: where he gets into like the Bush Family and dates
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 5: it all the way from like its origin.
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 2: It's wild, dude.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: Well, see, that's the thing is, I think there were
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: a lot of these ancient cults that are in some
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: ways still existing in some form today.
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 9: And so the.
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: Thuggie while that's where the word doug comes from, and
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: that's still very much part of like our you know,
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: pop culture thing is to call people bugs or whatever.
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: The only itself is actually anciently old and still exists
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: to this day, and they're in charge of like everything.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: And I feel like a lot of people are actually
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: kind of unfamiliar with the Thuggy cult themselves. I mean,
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: they've murdered millions of people throughout time, and that's a
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: huge ritualistic sacrifice in my opinion.
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 5: Absolutely, especially in the name of like one deity like
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 5: that Cali or whatever.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: The blood drinking Cali, which I feel like is it
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: was Indiana Jones.
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 8: Well, and that's one of the reasons they strength the
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 8: Indiana didn't want to spill the blood.
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 5: Right, So the guy in Indiana Jones, the Caliman guy,
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 5: those are right, but I think they're somehow related.
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 2: I think he was one of these guys.
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 8: He was.
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, these Indiana Jones guys would be descendants of like
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 2: the Hashish assassins there right, Yes, yes, it's the same thing.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure, dude, full show. No, I'll say so,
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 2: we have a lot of misconceptions about that his Jesus
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 2: Sassins and the Knights Templar, but they were those two
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 2: were the same organization and they fought other Christian and
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 2: Islamic organizations. So we've been we've been sold some some
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 2: bunk news on some of these dynamics. But if you
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 2: want to look for the modern day Knights Templar, that
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 2: is the society the Cincinnati So you were naming some
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 2: Boston Brahman families, Julia, and that is a lot of
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 2: those families have membership and representation in that in that group.
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 2: The Secret Society that started America, which is literally the
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 2: modern incarnation of the Knights Simpler descendants of the Templar.
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 9: Well, I feel like.
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: They just rebranded them.
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: It's like they used to be called the Thugie. Now
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: they're called Society of Cincinnati. I mean, it's like the
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: same thing. And it's like they just recycle the leaders
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: of the cult. They're like the henchman. So they killed Burrahm, right, Oh,
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: he was the bad guy that was in charge of
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: doing all this stuff. So they killed him. And it's
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: like that's when the Thugies dispersed and no more. Yeah, right,
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 1: because if you look at who was in control of them,
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: they're still very active and they just have a new name,
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: the cult now Society a Cincinnati.
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 9: It's like that.
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 2: I don't disagree there. They're they're they're a goddess war
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 2: goddess worshiping group. And there is some Collie art in
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 2: their headquarters that I have seen it. Not to mention
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 2: Diane Athena, you know, this is the this is their
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 2: you know, Hecatea, you know, so you know, I don't
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 2: I don't disagree with what you're saying. I think that's
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 2: kind of why we see elements of that Shinghan Buddhism
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 2: and Collie worship that erupts within these later movements of
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 2: this occultism in America. The process that is, so, I
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 2: would argue all occultism in America goes back to the
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 2: Society of Cincinnati. Joseph Smith was a member, for example,
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 2: the president of the Theosophical Society after Bolvatski. Abner doubl
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 2: Eday a member of the Society of Cincinnati. You see
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 2: o g membership in the processed church represented represented by
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 2: the Society of Cincinnati. Families, for example, Timanthy Wiley's wife
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 2: was the daughter of a Society Cincinnati member. Wow creepy
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 2: Hollywood film director John Waters, who joined I think in
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 2: nineteen seventy or sixty nine in New Orleans. His third
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 2: great grandfather was the surgeon general from Maryland for the
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 2: Society chapter in Maryland and the Wars of seventeen seventy six,
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 2: so he was very likely a member. Sam goes for
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 2: Jack Parsons, his third great grandfather also a colonel in
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 2: the Massachusetts chapter. Back to the Boston Brovince. So occultism
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 2: in America comes from these but we see these elements.
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 2: So these people, what I'm saying is these people we
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 2: see later in a gape lodge with parsons or the
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 2: process with the literally the dude's name is Satan Drayton Astor.
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 2: He's from the the Dradens of the South Carolina society family.
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 2: The Astors are a New York society family. But that's
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 2: his daughter marys Timothy Wiley. But we see these things
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 2: in these groups today because it's in their blood lines.
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 2: They got it in their families, right, This got passed
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 2: down to them, this worship of these these occult practices.
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 1: Well, episode is quickly turning into.
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 9: A barn burner, real barn burner.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: JJ is coming at us with the straight facts, like
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: that's crazy. And I do think that the you know,
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: you can google it and it'll say whatever. But I
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: think the state of California, I mean, I think that
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: that name says a lot and a lot of these
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: cults and weird shit come out of California. You know,
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: if you look at Jim Jones, that was California. I mean,
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: all the Laurel Canyon weirdness, it's all coming out of California,
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: So I mean it's.
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 2: Was that where Dahmer was too.
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 9: No, Dahmer was in uh.
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: Milwaukee in the middle. Okay, but there is some weird
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: stuff with the Zodiac murderer coming up out of California.
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: And also Ted Bundy spent a lot of time in
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: California before he.
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 2: Returned to y.
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 9: Yeah, in my opinion, then Jack Nicholson played his role
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 9: for a.
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 2: While, right is that private private eye report of y'all
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 2: want to check this out? From the comparing the Atlanta
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 2: child commerce to the to the Son of Sam killing.
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 2: So this was g Kellyan Associates out of Ulster County
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 2: just north of New York City, I believe Kingston, New York,
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 2: across the Huston from Westchester County. March of eighty two,
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 2: so this was a eighty two report out of this.
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 2: I don't even know who hired them, but this p
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 2: I agency right out of New York g Kellyan Associates
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 2: security and law enforcement consultants. So they do a comparative
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 2: analysis between crime scenes and they don't have all the
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 2: details listened here, but you'll see Atlanta child murders of
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 2: dendum so they'd done a previous report. I don't have
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 2: a copy of that. You see introduction in Wayne Williams
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 2: Ritual Killings possible relationship to Burke which the dog Man.
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 2: You know, this is a very interesting report. But I'll
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 2: just highlight this one aspect of Shingun Buddhism dog one second.
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 2: I'll put a link here in the chat if you
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 2: want to include this in the show notes.
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 4: Nike, Yeah, yeah, for sure.
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 2: Michael Carr and some of his other associates a Burkawitz
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 2: incorporated a Buddha figure in their ceremonies in the same
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 2: manner according to Shirley, that's the Atlanta child killing witness
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 2: they have here. According to Shirley, that is that it
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 2: was used in the Atlanta ceremonies. So that's a very
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 2: interesting comparative analysis with his shing Gun Buddhism aspects of
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 2: this these ritual human sacrifices here in America and this
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 2: this Collie worship apparently as well as corn At Sanders,
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 2: the Collie worship was part of that shing Gun Buddhism
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 2: cult that he was tracking.
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 4: MHM.
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 7: Do we have a lot of the correspondences going into
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 7: and out of the process charge.
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 2: Uh. I mean there's various disparate archives of these things.
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 2: One of the one of them in the University in
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 2: Toronto that they won't let anyone look at. There's there's a.
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 6: Whole pieces of we're not going to break in.
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 2: Okay, No, there's no there's and there's interesting people have
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 2: stolen ship in front these archives. So like I went
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 2: to when I went to Princeton to look at the
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 2: Ed Sanders archives, I wanted to hear the tiny Lentini tapes.
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 2: You know, he's kind of the episode of this outlaw
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 2: biker activity with the process and allegedly at the scene
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 2: of things like Eton Pats's human ritual, human sacrifice in
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 2: Westchester County according to him. But so we're never going
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 2: to hear those three or four hours of audio recordings
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 2: and interviews that he that was conducted with him with
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 2: Ed Sanders in the nineties and moretary because someone made
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 2: those things disappear. So when you look for communications, when
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 2: you're your question headless, if there was anything important out
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 2: there and vital information that's still out there, there's been
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 2: operations to sweep these things up and cover it up
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 2: in recent years, and I suspect it's gone to that,
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 2: to that no moretarries files are so restricted from public
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 2: access in large part, yeah, we only have a limited,
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 2: limited hangout version that was available of the public. I
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 2: can demonstrate that just I got some weird, slightly different
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 2: set of documents mainly just the only thing more was
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 2: just communication between Berkowitz and Terry and their pent and
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 2: pelship over the years. But I was able to pull
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 2: some interesting details out of that even and you know,
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 2: just things that I know are in those files that
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 2: aren't released publicly. The number one thing is Mary Terry's
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 2: self self proclaimed investigation of the Orenthal J. Simpson case.
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 2: So he took that was his main focus of the
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 2: mid to late nineties by his own emission, but none
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 2: of those are in his files. So that's just one example.
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 2: So whatever communication, there was probably a lot of shit
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 2: out there had us, but we just you know, a
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 2: lot of this shit's getting actively swept up.
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 8: So what made it into the ultimate evil is that
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 8: just like the limit of shuring out shit you're talking about,
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 8: it's all bullshit.
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And Josh Eeman, the guy who snaked his way
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 2: into Terry's life and got it the rights there. I
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 2: believe I started along with James Franco looking at Ed
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 2: Sanders files. Uh, Franco was calling Franco, this is what
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 2: I mean by a collective effort. So you got the
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 2: head of Satanic Temple, Doug aka Lucian Greaves there. They
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 2: about assert they're an officer to the process. They use
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 2: the piececope by their own missions, their own photographs, and
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 2: their own statements. The pie scope is the processed Church
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 2: version of the scientologists, you know, you know their little
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 2: you know, it's their version of the the the E meter,
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 2: the e meter you hold the cans they call, there's
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 2: the piece cope, same machine. So you see those folks
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 2: that dude's calling Ed SA. Why is that dude calling
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 2: Ed Sanders in two thousand and nine, you know what
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 2: I mean? Ed Sanders looking at his notes, he knew
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 2: it was up. He's like, fuck, he didn't write fuck
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 2: this guy, but he he wrote fuck this guy basically,
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 2: you know. So you see that. Then you see Franco
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 2: come in with Zieman shortly thereafter, tag team in both
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 2: Sanders and Uh and Terry and I don't know, I
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 2: don't have overview of Terry stuff. And whatever I saw Sanders.
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 2: Stuff could have been censored. They've already could have removed
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 2: stuff because, like I said, those tapes were gone by
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 2: that point. So but what I did see, it seems like,
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 2: you know, Sanders thought something was up. He's still alive,
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 2: if you know, he's nothing to talk about these things.
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 2: But Terry sins his rights over for the production of
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 2: Ultimate Evil and to go to HBO an HBO series
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 2: with James Franco. Josh Eemens is working him at the
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 2: same time for what he later produces as this documentary series. Right,
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 2: this is twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen, right when before Terry's death. Right,
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 2: this is when they're working again. I this is from
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 2: the purview ed Sanders is what I'm reciting here.
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 8: But the.
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 2: They turned, James Franco turned that that took those rights,
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 2: did not make the HBO series of The Ultimate Evil.
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 2: Made a YouTube series from his production company where Mary
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 2: Terry's the bad guy and he dies at the end
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 2: and then and that's called The Ultimate Evil. And then
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 2: he made a movie called The Deuce The Deuces on
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 2: HBO of many.
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 9: The Q series or an industry series.
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's based on the essence Gay s and m
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 2: porn series Mafia connections from the Ultimate Evil. You'll see
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 2: Matthew I and l there, you'll see the character from
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 2: the Ultimate Evil. So it's based on the Ultimate Evil.
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 2: That was the licensed options of the Ultimate Evil. But
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 2: he he took that, he took his own option, Franco
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 2: did and turned it into that bullshit. So he highlights
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 2: that literally, he celebrates the process pornography and gay gay
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 2: s and m scene there in in New York City
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 2: in the eighties in that series, right, And two important
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 2: notes to take away from that is one of the
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 2: researchers for Old Tom O'Neal and his book Chaos worked
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 2: for James Franco on that movie set and ran a
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 2: industrial rock magazine called Propaganda Magazine, which is expressly processed.
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 2: So if you wonder what James Franco is interestedly when
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 2: he when he makes uh bastardizes Terry's work, makes Terry
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 2: the bad guy and then celebrates the process porno gay
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 2: club industry there and does so with a member who
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 2: was there present working for him and that guy who
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 2: ran a propaganda magazine from for all this you know,
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 2: process industrial rock music. Well, then he's the researcher for
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 2: Tom O'Neal in this book about Manson where they never
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 2: mentioned the process. Well, that's strange, you know, so a
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 2: lot of that's what this is, what I mean by
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 2: this organized I call them the processed church cover upper movement.
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 1: Fuckers.
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 2: But yeah, the it's active, you know. And I think
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 2: what we're discussing here in a lot of these these
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 2: other that g Kelly report that didn't make the light
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 2: to day for many years, these these Buddhists, Collie worshiping,
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 2: Shingung connections or you know, elements that were often kept
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 2: in the dark from folks understanding what the dynamics of
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 2: these cults and whatever the fuck they're doing. But understanding that,
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 2: I think what quickly folks would understand that the smiley
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 2: faced killers are an offshoot of these same activities.
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 9: I agree.
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 1: Wait till you hear this next one, Chris Corba or
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 1: am I going first?
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 9: Yeah?
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 8: All right, strap in for the Church of Euthanasia. Anybody
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 8: here heard of that shit? No head lists you looked
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 8: like maybe j jj.
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 6: No, it's just descending into horror is unspeakable.
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 2: No, I'm not familiar.
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 1: Nick knows all about it.
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 4: No, I know, I don't, but it's just like the name.
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 4: It's just like exactly what head Liss is saying, Like,
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 4: what the fuck?
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 9: All right, so this one's last, that's my favorite? Is
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 9: your favorite? So this character named Chris Korda, Oh what
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 9: year was Chris Quorida born? And let me pull that
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 9: the eighties?
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 1: It seems like an eighties kind of guy.
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 9: He's still alive. He's like, well she.
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 1: She sorry, Tranny, We're.
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 9: Not gonna do the prime game here.
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 8: I'm sorry about that, but I'm gonna call Chris. He
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 8: Chris is kind of bounced around the the identity spectrum,
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 8: but Chris.
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 1: Kept his penis, so I'm gonna go with he.
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 4: All right? That works.
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 8: So Chris Korda was born in nineteen sixty two to
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 8: elite parents parents in New York City. I don't remember
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 8: what his dad did. I think it was something in
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 8: like media magazine, mogul something like that, and his mom
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 8: came for money. They also, you know, raised him pretty
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 8: high class, and like often happens, when these liberal rich
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 8: kids don't have shit to give meaning to.
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 9: They create it.
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 8: And apparently Chris, at ten years old, saw New York,
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 8: which doesn't add up to me. Nineteen seventy two, Chris
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 8: was ten and claimed to have read a headline from
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 8: the New York Times about global warming, but in the seventies,
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 8: I thought they were warning about a coming ice age. Anyway,
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 8: that's the story, and that just kind of changed the
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 8: way that Chris looked at the world, and Chris wanted
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 8: to make a difference. Got into college, was still to
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 8: this day is a tech person, like really into the
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 8: tech industry. And when in college, he was rooming with
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 8: this person who was an activist from the sixties.
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 9: And I don't remember this dude's name, but he was one.
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 8: Of those guys you know, probably there in Chicago in
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 8: sixty eight and all that kind of stuff, probably a plan.
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 2: Were talking students for Democratic Society or the Weather Underground.
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 9: Yeah he was.
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 8: He read this guy rubbed shoulders with all of that.
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 8: Let me see if I can find that dude's name, because.
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 2: I would argue either an officer to the Processed Church
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 2: or the Final Judgment Sir that in fact Bill Ayers
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 2: ahead of the Weather Underground would write which formed out
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 2: of the SDS would celebrate Charles Manson and double Sirhan
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 2: throughout his life and various speeches and dedications and books
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 2: both processings, you know, Sir Hans, Siran and old Charlie.
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 9: Jesus. Yeah, I'm not finding this dude's name, but it
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 9: doesn't matter. We can just assume.
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't mean to go full process on.
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 8: No, no, no, I was hoping you would and you
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 8: didn't disappoint. Probably going to cut in because there's a
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 8: lot of interesting shit in here. So Chris is rooming
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 8: with this guy in New York finds out has a
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 8: dream one night where he's visited by something called the Being,
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 8: and the being spoke in weird languages and he didn't
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 8: really get the message, but he woke up with a
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 8: line almost like psychically driven into his head, Save the planet,
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 8: kill yourself, and he tells his roommate, this old sixties
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 8: activist guy, that this is the message he got. So
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 8: they kind of started something here, and it was basically
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 8: they got a bunch of other wackos who and this
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 8: is nineteen ninety two, they take this shit to the
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 8: streets and they would show up with picket signs and
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 8: they would go like to kkk rallies and just like
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 8: push their message. And then they finally got attention when
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 8: they started going to like pro life rally and all that.
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 8: They would walk around the crowds with like baby dolls
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 8: on pikes and chant their slogans like eat a queer
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 8: fetus for Jesus, make love, not children, saved the planet.
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 8: Kill theirself was their main slogan, and they started getting
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 8: some media attention. Now five years after all this, they
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 8: really made it onto the scene.
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 9: They got onto the.
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 8: Jerry Springer Show, and it was a fully formed religion
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 8: at this point, and they didn't call themselves a religion.
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 8: They called themselves a church. But they actually this part
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 8: we'll get to the Jerry Springer thing the second. But
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 8: they file for religious tax exemption and the IRS came
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 8: back and said, unfortunately, you don't qualify, but if you
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 8: were to file as an educational foundation, you would be
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 8: fully tax exempt. So the United States government gives these
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 8: people educational foundation status.
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 9: And this is the message. They have four pillars, which
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 9: is do.
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 1: You remember them, kill yourself.
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 2: Four pillars, Okay.
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 1: Side suicide, cannibalism.
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 9: That's that's one of the last ones. It gets to
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 9: get more shocking.
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 1: Eat your fetus.
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 9: Let me pull up the four pillars. But do you
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 9: do you want do you want me to look up
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 9: the four pillars.
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I'll tell them about the Jerry Spring. So Jerry
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 8: has this setup to where this woman me to this
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 8: young woman who's thinking about joining the Church of Euthanasia
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 8: is the subject of the show. And they bring out
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 8: uh Corda who comes out in full trans woman attire
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 8: and pastor.
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 9: Vermin like you know, Vermin V E R M I N,
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 9: and then this other guy.
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 8: So they start talking about the church and what it is,
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 8: and the four pillars are suicide, abortion.
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 9: Cannibalism, and sodomy. And he's talking about that. Where do
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 9: I sign.
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 8: He's talking about the traditional definition of sodomy, like biblically nonprocreative,
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 8: non pro creative acts of sex were encouraged, which does
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 8: include anal but you know, you guys know about sodomy laws.
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 8: There was oral sodomy laws. They did target Gaze with it,
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 8: but biblically sodomy is any sexual act nonprocreative.
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 9: So that's what he was pushing.
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 8: Now, suicide, he put emphasis on it has to be voluntary.
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 8: He can't want like a you know, jonestown type thing.
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 8: He thought, you know, it's one way you can help
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 8: out abortion. So the main the four pillars are there
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 8: one thing, But the only thing you had to do
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 8: was give a one time fee of ten dollars and
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 8: take a vow to never reproduce. So as long as
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 8: you never reproduced, you couldn't get excommunicated from this group.
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 8: And then, like other cults. A little side note, some
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 8: people even say this group wasn't a cult. I think
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 8: it was, but they had actual people killed him. Yeah,
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 8: so as we get further down the line, this actually
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 8: does take hold. But they had like a stronghold of
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 8: physical membership in the hundreds, but online this thing started
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 8: spreading and is actually still active today.
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 9: It's supposedly making a comeback.
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 8: But he had his Springer appearance and he ends up
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 8: hooking up with this political activist and they start a
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 8: party to get ted Kazinski elected as president. And a
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 8: little side note here, the funny thing they had some
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 8: ordained saints, doctor Kraborkian and Margaret Margaret Sanger.
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 2: This all sounds very discording like extreme ocation.
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 8: So they actually practiced this Scordian and they really took
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 8: their It's called Dottiism.
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the organizational structure that's telling to me as well.
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 2: But the also the O the philosophies, as you're saying.
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 8: In World War One, there was this art movement where
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 8: it was completely satire, street performative, and they would make
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 8: collages and stuff, and a lot of these protest movements take,
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 8: you know, notes from this dottist movement. Discordianism I think
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 8: came out of that too, But so apparently that's very old.
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 9: So you got to tell him about his fabulous music selection. Oh,
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 9: he's a techno musician too.
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 8: And during nine to eleven he wrote a song made
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 8: a music video that he posted a day after nine
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 8: to eleven.
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 9: Do you remember what the song was called?
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 1: Baby Yo Baby.
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 8: I don't remember the name of the song, but it
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 8: showed the towers falling, interlaced with hardcore pornography interlaced with sports,
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 8: and then he would masturbate and wipe himself with an
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 8: American flag and even his members were like, whoa dude,
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 8: this is wow.
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 2: Dude. Yeah, I would have been like, whoa, bro, I'm
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 2: out of here. It's a little too much.
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 9: Yeah, and this guy today, when I was researching this,
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 9: I pulled up some like pro Oh, what do they
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 9: call it? Anti natalism?
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 8: These anti natalist podcasts have this guy on you can
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 8: listen to him. Within the last couple of years he's
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 8: made making appearances and they're like touting.
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 9: And holding this guy up.
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 8: And he claims now that you know, he wasn't an agent.
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 8: He said that, or an operative. He said, I used
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 8: the street tactics of any operative.
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 9: I knew what I could do. I knew the buttons
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 9: I could push without getting the shit entirely kicked out.
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 8: I mean, he did get assaulted several times at these rallies,
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 8: but he also knew when it had, you know, it
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 8: kind of had ran its course with him. He stepped
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 8: back in the mid two thous and started kind of
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 8: just letting the other people run it. And it's all
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 8: about performance, it's all about being absurd. And he's contradicted
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 8: his own message on several occasions.
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's still alive and hasn't killed himself. That would
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 1: be number one. So he loved suicide so much.
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 8: In nineteen ninety nine, he was interviewed by a publication
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 8: and at that point nobody had killed themselves in name
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 8: of the in the movement. But he did say it's
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 8: a shame that no one has and that we don't
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 8: get sued by their parents because then that would bring
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 8: us a lot of attention. So in two thousand and three,
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 8: I think I might have that year wrong, but it
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 8: was somewhere in the early two thousands someone did it.
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 8: And when he said to kill yourself, he said, if
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 8: you do it, put like one of our pamphlets next
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 8: to your body, or have our website pulled up, put
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 8: my playlist on and so that the website's still active
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 8: today if you want to take a peek at it.
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 8: But anyway, so one person did commit suicide that was
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 8: attributed then, but he has claimed that there were many,
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 8: and he says he does have a little remorse for.
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 1: That, but you know, not too much, not enough to
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 1: kill himself.
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 8: People have asked him, well, why don't you kill yourself,
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 8: and he said, well, if I do, it'll be my
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 8: decision and I'll do it when I feel like it.
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 9: So I want to cough out.
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 2: I have no I was just reading similar details. This
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 2: is such a fascinating till I've never heard of these
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 2: people before, so I appreciate.
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 1: You all crazy, he shoshed me when he brought this up.
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 2: This is the son of the head of Simon and
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 2: Schuster for forty.
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 9: Years Simon and Schuster.
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 2: That's publisher the third largest publication. This call this transitor
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 2: Culader is the son of that of Simon and Schuster.
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 2: I you want to talk about connected right.
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 1: There, right gg, isn't this the craziest ship you've ever seen?
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 9: He's coblicly disavowed his parents, which.
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 1: We know how that, yes, so did Jim Morrison.
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's clever. No buy these things, but I
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 2: do appreciate that the details are. That's always an interesting dab.
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 2: They're like, oh, I hate my parents, Yeah, of course
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 2: you do.
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 8: I haven't seen my dad since we took a picture
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 8: in his naval ship six months ago.
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 2: Exactly when and when I in the sin that check
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 2: last week they sent me. But the you know, well,
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 2: Bill Airs is from Chicago. There were the SDS and
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 2: the weather underground. His his daddy was the head of
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 2: the Chicago Power Company. So you know, in Chicago serves
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 2: as a published and these are just the thoughts I have.
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 2: You know, they're going through my brain hole. Chicago serves
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 2: still today as the center of public publications for all
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 2: print media in America. So you know, you see, the
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 2: son of the third largest publisher in America, you know,
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 2: doing these things. You know, he really draws the question,
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 2: what the hell's going on here?
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 8: Church of Youth and Asia and this one, to me,
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 8: I think it's interesting that the government allowed them to
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 8: be an educational foundation with the messages they're pushing, and
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 8: also the fact that they were really ahead of their
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 8: time because these these things they're they were doing now
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 8: are just commonplace.
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 9: Back then, they were kind of, you know, groundbreaking for
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 9: doing that kind of shit.
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 8: And they didn't take money. They sold bumper stickers with
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 8: their slogans on it. He said, they may have made
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 8: one hundred thousand dollars, but they just put it back
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 8: into producing.
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 9: More merchs in Asia.
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 8: And so to me, it's like a complete front for
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 8: pushing a new narrative that now we have like Credit
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 8: Thumberg running around and all this stuff wasn't going on
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 8: back then, and these guys did kind of bring it
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 8: to the forefront. And they also to bring back Project Mayhem.
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 8: They did very Project Mayhem ask things that you know,
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 8: at one phase in the movie where they're defacing Starbucks.
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 9: And all that kind of stuff, they did shit like that.
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 8: I mean, they would get arrested, get a lot of attention,
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 8: move on to the next op I saw you.
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 1: It's important to note that when we were doing this
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 1: series like we were, I don't know if we were
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 1: doing it intentionally, but I was definitely always trying to
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 1: want him with my cult. So I would pick a
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 1: cult and he would pick a cult, and we wouldn't
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 1: tell each other which one we picked, and then we
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 1: would like cover stuff about it. And when he brought
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 1: this shit up, it's like, how the fuck do you
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 1: top that?
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 9: How the fuck do you top Church of Euthanasia? Like,
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 9: what the fuck it? I had never heard of that
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 9: shit in my life.
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 2: That shit's wild, man.
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 1: So what I did was the Twin Flames cult to
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 1: rival the Church of.
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 8: Youth what I originally I walked into the last week
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 8: of this going all of these are so similar, Like
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 8: we got to find some that just stick out. So
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 8: I was trying to choose between Twin Flames and this
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 8: Church of Ethanaia, and I told her and she's like, oh,
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 8: I'll do the Twin Flames, and that one, to me.
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 9: I think is more interesting. It might be.
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 1: I think it's a good one to end on for sure.
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 9: Yeah, and just how modern it is, So are.
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 1: You guys familiar with the concept of a twin flame.
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 1: Let me just first start with that everybody, that is
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 1: pretty much okay, I.
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 2: Am not Julian a heterosexual man, but please so all right, JJ.
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 1: The the concept of the twin flame is very similar
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 1: to that of like having a soulmate. So you know
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 1: how when people meet and they're like, oh, you know,
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 1: I knew I was gonna be with them. There were
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 1: soulmates've been, We've done many lifetimes together.
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 9: Da da da.
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 1: So the concept of the twin flame is not that
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 1: you met like your soulmate. It's that your soul at
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 1: some point broke apart into two pieces and you're only
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 1: half of your soul and you have to find the
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 1: other half of your soul in another human being, and
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 1: when you meet that person, it's considered to be your
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 1: twin flame, and that you're just two halves of a
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 1: whole person.
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 9: And then you can say the famous Jerry Maguire line,
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 9: you complete me, you compete.
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 8: I mean, this is literally like your other half, the
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 8: indi or yang, And it's really big in astrological circles,
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 8: like they throw that term.
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 1: Around because the word well, I feel like because a soul.
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 2: Now you mentioned that, I hear that turn around a
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 2: lot jokingly amongst the community of some of my folks
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 2: of the interwebs in the Idaho for community, particularly Lucy
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 2: morning Star of the Princess of Darkness.
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 9: She's a twin flame thing.
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is the key. Yeah, some of my some
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 2: my media over there, they like to joke around about
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 2: this twin flame concept. I don't know, familiar with the
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 2: ins and outs of it. So now I'm starting to
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 2: piece these things together. But yeah, when you say it
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 2: gets tossed around that that astrology community, I see that
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 2: now I've seen it.
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 1: It's a very new agey concept and it is a
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 1: big part of New Age spiritualism particular. I'm not gonna
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 1: sit here and say that I don't think there are
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 1: aspects of like soulmates and stuff like that that isn't true,
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 1: because I feel like you could meet somebody and be
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 1: in a non romantic relationship with them, like a friendship,
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 1: and feel like they're a soulmate or something like that.
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 9: Like you know, obviously I call them mates.
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 2: You know James.
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 8: Bob soul tribes where he's like, yeah, you come back
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 8: playing different roles to each other.
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 9: Like your mom could be your soulmate.
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 8: I don't know, Like romantically speaking, it seems like so
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 8: this is an actual cull.
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 9: It is a cult. It is a cult, but.
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 2: It's not and it's not exclusively sexual what you're saying.
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 2: It's also it could be plutonic. Well, I think so.
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 1: In my opinion, they have taken the twin flame thing
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 1: and made it romantic. But I think you can have
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 1: a soulmate to me a non romantic person, Like, in
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 1: my opinion, you can be a best friend or like
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 1: whoever and feel like you've done lifetimes together. I think
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 1: that's one thing to say. But like in this twin
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 1: Flames cult, it's all about romance and sex. And basically
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 1: this these two people, their name is Jeff and Saliah.
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 1: They were aimed to theirselves divine. So Jeff and Salia divine.
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 4: Yea.
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 9: She was originally Megan Plant.
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, her her real name is Megan Plant. And I
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 1: don't remember what Jeff's last name was. It was like, yeah,
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 1: Jeff Eon, which I.
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 9: Think is cooler. That's cooler.
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well.
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 9: Ye Interestingly, he kept the.
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 1: Jeff, Yeah, he kept Jeff, and Meghan became.
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 9: Yeah, Shalia.
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 1: Jeff and salia divine and so basically they said they
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 1: were twin flames in that they had a divine gift
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 1: of being able to tell you how to find your
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 1: twin flame relationship and how to bring your twin flame
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 1: to you if you haven't met them already. For the
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 1: low low price of two high hundred and twenty two
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 1: dollars a month for a twelve month program, they could
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 1: help you find your twin flame.
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 9: This is how it started, well and manifesting. Huh.
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 8: Well, so, he as a kid would tell his friends
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 8: that he was both going to be a millionaire and
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 8: didn't you say something about starting a cult.
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 1: So he said when he was in college that he
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 1: was going to become a millionaire and that he was
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 1: going to start a cult.
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 9: And he wasn't into this romance shit.
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 8: He was pushing like health hacks, health hacks and not
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 8: really making money doing it. And then he meets her
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 8: through online dating and they scheming together with her belief system.
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 1: Yes she's the one who brought the Yes, she did,
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 1: but she's the one who brought like the weird new
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 1: age spiritualism into his life.
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 9: Behind every heister, there's a bitchy woman fucking telling him
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 9: what to.
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 1: Do with petulipits, and so these two team up together
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 1: and they're like, all right, we're going to tell everybody.
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 1: They start a YouTube channel and they're like, we're going
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 1: to tell everybody how to meet their twin flame.
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 9: Da da da.
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 1: Like I said, it's two hundred and twenty two dollars
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 1: a month for a twelve month program. And so within
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 1: the first year that they have this course available online,
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 1: they're already they've already made over a million dollars. So
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 1: they're quickly millionaires. And they keep having to up the
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 1: ante because people are not finding their fucking twin flames,
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 1: even after they've paid thousands of dollars to Jeff and
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 1: Shellia and it's been going on for a couple of
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 1: years at this point.
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 9: So what they do is.
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 1: They tell these people, uh, you could say, I think
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 1: my next door neighbor is my twin flame, and they
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 1: would give you advice to stock them, to follow them,
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 1: to work to basically harass these people. And it's like, well,
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 1: if they're not into it, just keep pushing harder. People
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 1: were getting arrested for stalking, people were getting somebody started
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 1: stalking Ryan Gosling. That was a part of the Twin Flames.
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 1: Coulton got a restraining order and so they they would
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 1: tell people like, as long as you feel like it's
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 1: your twin flame, even if the other person doesn't think
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 1: that they are, you just stalk them to death until
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 1: they agree to be in a relationship.
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 8: One woman went to jail, Yeah, she did go to
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 8: and then came back out and started going back to
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 8: the Twin Flames Universe TFU, and they told her.
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 9: Did don't stop. Yeah, they were like, try harder.
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 8: One girl she was a little sister of one of
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 8: the original members, and she they told her, you know,
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 8: just keep your hopes up. Maybe some random guy is
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 8: just going to send you a Facebook message that could
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 8: be your twin flame. She gets this message from a
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 8: guy that day. He sent her a song and said
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 8: you're cute. They tell her that's their twin flame. She
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 8: moves to where he is.
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 9: He's a certified schizophrenic. He's a paranoid schizophrenic.
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 2: She's like, I don't know if this is him and
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 2: what match van in hell?
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 1: He literally throws ship at the walls. He does anal digging,
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 1: Oh what the fuck.
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 2: Sounds wild?
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 9: Does an wild But he sent her.
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 1: A message on Facebook, and they said, that's your twin flame.
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 1: So she moved to like Montana or wherever this guy was,
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 1: moved in with him, then realized he was a paranoidhit's
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 1: a friend of nineteen.
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 9: He's like, she's nineteen, he's like thirty something. It was
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 9: like forty.
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 2: Holy shit, dude.
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 1: And so she's like, hey, this guy, you know, he's
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 1: got mental illness. He's into it.
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 9: He's into like anal digging. The fuck is you remember
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 9: this part the original presentation?
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 4: What the fuck is digging?
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 2: It's like sounds like I might involve hands Richard Gearnet.
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 4: She's like, I don't know if this is my It's
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 4: like the device is the hampster.
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 9: Well then they told her, they told her it was
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 9: her fault, that he was like that she hadn't done
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 9: her shadow work.
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 1: They do.
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 8: They incorporate a lot of youngst this your twin flame
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 8: is a complete fuck up.
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 9: You need to work on yourself.
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 2: If your twin flaming, you're fucking up, right. That's some
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 2: of the run.
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 1: So they tell this like seventeen year old girl that
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 1: she's nineteen nineteen year old girl. So they tell this
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 1: nineteen year old girl that it's her fault that this
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 1: guy's into anal, digging and doing all this stuff, and
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 1: I just stay with him. She lives with him for
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 1: like three years before she just cracks and runs away
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 1: and seeks But this is the.
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 4: With this cold and so anal spunky.
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 2: That's a wild colt. This is a wild colt I've
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 2: never heard of.
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 1: Listen to this JJ. So, like five years into this cult, right,
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 1: they get this. They get this woman from the military.
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 1: She's some kind of military psychiatrist to be a part
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 1: of their team. And if you pay her three hundred
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 1: and thirty three dollars a month for a twelve month program,
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 1: she will implant false memories into your head of being
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 1: sexually molested by your parents and convince you that you're
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 1: transgender and that actually your twin flame has been a
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 1: member of the cult this entire time. And so the
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 1: problem was they had eighty percent women in the cult
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 1: and twenty percent men. So they implant these false memories
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 1: into these people's heads that they were actually transgender and
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 1: that their twin flame was another woman in the cult.
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 2: So to me, that's what that's what the sociologist said.
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 8: Yeah, and she was a military intelligence therapist getting money
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 8: from the Pentagon.
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 2: By the way, were talking John joh Lalich, No, it
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 2: was a female. Yeah. She looks like a hardcore bulldog
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 2: lesbian and she's a devout Marxist. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 2: real classic all I'll just reading your biography.
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 1: Well I do.
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 9: Remember that about her though.
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 1: So she puts all these false memories into people's heads, like, oh,
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 1: you should.
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 9: Distant from your family. They're using false memory syndrome.
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 1: On the flip side, yeah, putting memories in your.
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 2: Memory syndrome. The False Memory Foundation was formed by CI,
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 2: you know, the CIA, to to dispel that the fact
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 2: that they can do these things, in my opinion.
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 9: And Temple was sucking his kids too, right, the guy,
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 9: that guy.
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 2: Was running it. Yeah, they expanded over these things, right.
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 1: So anyways, but it's.
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 2: The Tanny Temple fellow there, Lucy and Greeves. He graduated
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 2: from Harvard with a degree in false memory syndrome stuff.
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 2: Really that's great. Interesting.
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 4: You know he's associated with Pete Diddy and all that
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 4: shit too.
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, it man, I've been wanting to do an
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 2: episode on that guy.
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 3: It was crazy, I mean, trying to brag for her,
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 3: but like Theresa did like a show on that, like
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 3: when the whole thing first came out, and like the
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 3: stuff she mentioned the show that's just coming out now.
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 3: It's really funny how like you know, nobody hears about
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 3: it when someone like that puts it out, but when
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 3: the TV.
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 1: It's it's interesting with this because it's, like Colby said,
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 1: it's like the reverse of false memories, like where kids
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 1: are actually getting molested and then they're like, no, you know,
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 1: you weren't. You just made that up. In the case,
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 1: it was like a bunch of normal people who had
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 1: never been molested, and she was like, yeah, you were,
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 1: that's why you're secretly a man inside.
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 9: And you're also a little boy.
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 8: You're also yeah, it's crazy working with him for years,
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 8: but then when this transgender shit started.
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 4: She I was hoping, you're going to get into that.
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 9: I don't know if it was like hypnotherapy, but it
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 9: was something like.
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 4: That, Wow, oh, Jared's family right.
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 1: Well, she would put them in a trance like state,
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 1: hypnotize them, and then tell them that they were a
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 1: man and that their twin flame was another female within
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 1: the cult. And so I think a large majority of
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 1: the couples that Jeff and Shalia put together that were
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 1: two females. The majority of them that they said, you're
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 1: actually a divine masculine or whatever. They ended up going
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 1: through the full transition, tits cut off, clits off.
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 9: They all have the receding hairline and beards. Now.
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 8: Yep, some of them defected over this, but the ones
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 8: that stayed even after the transition, some of them like
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 8: call their parents.
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 9: They're like, I don't know what to do. I made
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 9: a mistake. I made a mistake. I can't get out.
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 1: I have no glitterists now.
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 5: Participate and those surgical procedures should be taken out back.
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 9: Oh I agree with Jewels.
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's some dark shit.
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 4: That's the stuffy.
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 2: I've never heard of this cold. This is mind bobbling
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 2: shit because I actually like going.
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 9: They're still going to this stage. That's the crazy.
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 2: So still they have quite a pr game going. I
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 2: just looked at the firm that's running.
• 2:02:11
  Speaker 4: It, just just wondering is it's still eighty twenty.
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 9: I think they got it to fifty fifty.
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 2: Because they got him effort well.
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 8: They would go, they would go spend like a basic
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 8: amount of time with this therapist lady and they weren't
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 8: allowed to return back to the community until they fully
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 8: surrendered to you know, being the divine masculine.
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 2: That's insane, dude.
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 1: They had to one agree that they were a man
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 1: in order to return into the cold's activities.
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 8: Well, and then the little side note here, they were
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 8: trying to bring this kid into the world and she
• 2:02:53
  Speaker 8: was going to be like this big spiritual dij and
• 2:02:56
  Speaker 8: when she was, she got pregnant early in or told
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 8: everybody early, and then something went wrong. They lied and
• 2:03:04
  Speaker 8: said it was something because they didn't they artificially inseminated.
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 1: They said that that in order to make sure that
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 1: their baby was going to be a girl, they were
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 1: going to go doing vitro to make sure that they
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 1: she only got implanted with female embryos. But the problem
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 1: was is something went wrong and she had a miscarriage,
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 1: and they they told everybody in the cult that it
• 2:03:27
  Speaker 1: was because not enough of them were transitioning and cutting
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 1: their tits and clips off and that's why she had
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 1: a miscarriage. So the ones that wouldn't transition, it was
• 2:03:37
  Speaker 1: their fault that she's died.
• 2:03:40
  Speaker 8: Definitely, they don't definitely original by the way they make
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 8: them seems like you right, it.
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 2: Seems like it is original or they're portraying it in
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 2: that way. It's like, hey, you're not putting forth this
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 2: energy to like yeah, and they're the ones dictating who
• 2:03:56
  Speaker 2: is not who's not coming to meeting their qualifications. You're regels.
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 2: It's the co leaders that can dictate these rituals and
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 2: who they're incorporating in it. So yeah, I think that's
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 2: all realistic.
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 1: And so basically at the end, Jeff and Schulia have
• 2:04:09
  Speaker 1: went crazy and they want everybody to.
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 9: Move on to a compound with them. And he's Jesus.
• 2:04:15
  Speaker 9: Now by the way, he becomes Jesus'.
• 2:04:17
  Speaker 1: They got tax exemption as a church. He is the
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 1: reincarnation of Jesus Christ. I like to call him Jeffy
• 2:04:24
  Speaker 1: Christ Jeffy Christ.
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 2: I like it.
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 1: And they basically wanted all the members of the Twin
• 2:04:33
  Speaker 1: Flames CULD to move on to this compound with them.
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 1: And because they put everybody in female and female relationships,
• 2:04:43
  Speaker 1: the problem is now they can't repopulate with the Twin
• 2:04:47
  Speaker 1: Flames unless Jeff gets them all pregnant.
• 2:04:51
  Speaker 2: So is trans required here. This was a trans requirement at.
• 2:04:55
  Speaker 8: Some point only to get that eighty twenty ratio offset,
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 8: and they noticed that they their whole model was falling apart.
• 2:05:03
  Speaker 8: So instead of like your twin flame could be in
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 8: your Facebook inbox, it was no. They've been a member
• 2:05:09
  Speaker 8: of this cult all along, but the catches, you get a.
• 2:05:12
  Speaker 9: Mess ectomy, and now you guys are a twin flames.
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 2: What y'all explain to me is hauntingly similar to my
• 2:05:19
  Speaker 2: experiences with my former stocker buffalo Jered Rivisa. I wonder
• 2:05:23
  Speaker 2: if I was selected as his twin flame. That motherfucker
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 2: would not take not for an answer, And he went.
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 9: He went, went, He trans down.
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 2: He trains out you transpocallipse multi state murder spree, and
• 2:05:44
  Speaker 2: I said, no, Yeah, he trains down that transpocalypse multi
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 2: state murder spree. And the guy, the first victim he murdered.
• 2:05:49
  Speaker 2: The rest of ther all attempted murders. He didn't succeed.
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 2: The first VICTIMY murdered, hired him as his pr rep.
• 2:05:55
  Speaker 2: That's all I'm saying is I might have dodged a
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 2: bullet there.
• 2:05:58
  Speaker 1: Oh fuck yeah?
• 2:05:59
  Speaker 2: Is that wanted to hire? I did want to be
• 2:06:01
  Speaker 2: my reps so bad, That's what I'm saying. I think
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 2: you I think you twin flamed me. I'm telling you this.
• 2:06:09
  Speaker 2: It was adamant about being I would say, it got
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 2: so weird, dude, it got so weird.
• 2:06:12
  Speaker 4: I wonder if the Zizians are into this shit.
• 2:06:15
  Speaker 9: But like, imagine that though.
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 1: It is like because they would tell you, like I
• 2:06:18
  Speaker 1: could show up tomorrow to the Colt meeting and say,
• 2:06:22
  Speaker 1: I think that Colby is my Let's say Colby was
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 1: completely disinterested in me and had a whole another life,
• 2:06:29
  Speaker 1: and I was like, I think Colby.
• 2:06:30
  Speaker 9: Is my twin flame. She's actually telling the story of
• 2:06:32
  Speaker 9: how we met. Fuck you.
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 1: The thing, though, is they would say, Okay, go to
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 1: their house, stalk them, go to their job.
• 2:06:39
  Speaker 7: Go.
• 2:06:40
  Speaker 1: So the one lady was like, I know this person
• 2:06:43
  Speaker 1: is my twin flame. He was married, he had kids,
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 1: he had an entire life. And she was like, but
• 2:06:48
  Speaker 1: I know that's my twin flame. And they would tell
• 2:06:50
  Speaker 1: her like, go to his house, go to his job,
• 2:06:52
  Speaker 1: stock him, do whatever you have to do.
• 2:06:55
  Speaker 8: They had some butch bitch that was convinced that this
• 2:06:58
  Speaker 8: gay dude was her twin flame was happily coupled with
• 2:07:03
  Speaker 8: another fella.
• 2:07:04
  Speaker 1: Yea, she was wouldn't leave him alone.
• 2:07:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, imagine being on the other end of that stalking
• 2:07:10
  Speaker 2: how's that? You know what I mean? Like, that's some
• 2:07:11
  Speaker 2: wild ship.
• 2:07:12
  Speaker 8: So what I was telling her is like, when this
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 8: ship goes long enough, goes on long enough, if the
• 2:07:16
  Speaker 8: lob isn't successful at keeping you guys separate, somebody's going
• 2:07:19
  Speaker 8: to take it to the next level eventually.
• 2:07:21
  Speaker 2: Yes, uh yeah, like they're going to try to murder you,
• 2:07:24
  Speaker 2: stab you where you might have to murder them to
• 2:07:27
  Speaker 2: stop that.
• 2:07:28
  Speaker 9: Right, So this is the twin flames cold.
• 2:07:32
  Speaker 1: It's got transgenderism, false sexual uh molestation memories.
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 9: The lesbian version of Jelly West basically yeah, right.
• 2:07:44
  Speaker 2: And that's a good that's a good comparison coal because
• 2:07:46
  Speaker 2: she kind of looks like.
• 2:07:49
  Speaker 9: The picture of her.
• 2:07:52
  Speaker 2: Do uh do alien stuff.
• 2:07:56
  Speaker 1: So the only thing that comes into that as far
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 1: as like as a Terrik wise would be that Jeff
• 2:08:02
  Speaker 1: thinks he's Jesus and told everybody he was, and then
• 2:08:06
  Speaker 1: he said that in every relationship, which is something that
• 2:08:09
  Speaker 1: maybe you guys can agree with, but in every relationship,
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 1: whether it's a man and a woman, a woman and
• 2:08:15
  Speaker 1: a woman, or a man and a man, there's always
• 2:08:20
  Speaker 1: one divine feminine and one divine masculine energy, and so
• 2:08:25
  Speaker 1: he took that and twisted it into top and yeah,
• 2:08:29
  Speaker 1: basically he took that and twisted it into so now
• 2:08:32
  Speaker 1: you have to trans transgender your physical body to match
• 2:08:37
  Speaker 1: your spiritual body. And so that's like the you know,
• 2:08:42
  Speaker 1: weird esoteric stuff, and the Twin Flame aspect in itself
• 2:08:47
  Speaker 1: is part of the esoteric world. But that that's basically
• 2:08:50
  Speaker 1: twin Flames in a nut the Twin Flame Cult in
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 1: a nutshell, and.
• 2:08:56
  Speaker 9: Definitely, j have you heard of the Twin Ray cult?
• 2:09:00
  Speaker 2: I have not.
• 2:09:02
  Speaker 8: They operated out of Ashland, Oregon, where I work, and
• 2:09:06
  Speaker 8: it's like fourteen miles south of US, and they got
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 8: all their money from these scientologists that basically are buying
• 2:09:13
  Speaker 8: every historical monument and property in Ashland right now, and
• 2:09:16
  Speaker 8: they funded this cult that's very similar to the Twin Flame.
• 2:09:19
  Speaker 8: It's called the Twin Ray. I was wanting to talk
• 2:09:22
  Speaker 8: to you about that at some point because they're definitely
• 2:09:24
  Speaker 8: in that.
• 2:09:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, now, I'll definitely look into that. Lets you know
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 2: my thoughts on stut your message. For sure, we definitely
• 2:09:30
  Speaker 2: do a show in the future you'd like.
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 9: Yeah, for sure. I always love talking to colds.
• 2:09:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's into the CULTI verse.
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, short for that's a wild it's a wild shit.
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 8: It was quite quite a ride there for about a
• 2:09:46
  Speaker 8: month and a half, jam and all this. And then
• 2:09:48
  Speaker 8: I watched a show on Hulu called The Path and
• 2:09:51
  Speaker 8: I told Nick about it. And because I think it's
• 2:09:53
  Speaker 8: got a lot of Oto stuff, it's got a lot
• 2:09:55
  Speaker 8: of synon on stuff they just borrowed from all these
• 2:09:58
  Speaker 8: fucking things I just looked into and kind of use
• 2:10:01
  Speaker 8: that to douche my brain.
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 9: One last two rah Right.
• 2:10:06
  Speaker 2: Speaking of douce in your brain, folks in the interwebs
• 2:10:08
  Speaker 2: want to douche their brain on the Sun of Sam
• 2:10:10
  Speaker 2: Netflix series. That is propaganda. The Processed Church demonstrably answer
• 2:10:14
  Speaker 2: your question from earlier. It just popped back in my brain.
• 2:10:16
  Speaker 2: Hold the douche brain comment. The Processed Church did not
• 2:10:19
  Speaker 2: just spand in nineteen seventy four. It's demonstrably proven. Just
• 2:10:22
  Speaker 2: go to the Utah Secretary State Business search type in
• 2:10:26
  Speaker 2: Best Friends Animal Society. You will see it operates under
• 2:10:29
  Speaker 2: the same corporate structure and identification number as the Processed
• 2:10:33
  Speaker 2: Church did, and you will see that they registered in
• 2:10:35
  Speaker 2: the state of Utah as well as Louisiana. On June
• 2:10:38
  Speaker 2: twenty first, nineteen sixty seven, when they invaded America. So
• 2:10:42
  Speaker 2: we don't know the full scope of the history of
• 2:10:44
  Speaker 2: their relations with Utah, but that's where they sit today
• 2:10:46
  Speaker 2: and kind of as the Best Friends Animal Society under
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 2: the same corporate structure and same identification number. So you
• 2:10:52
  Speaker 2: can see the evidence there.
• 2:10:53
  Speaker 7: If you go to the Walmart animal section, you'll notice
• 2:10:56
  Speaker 7: they've got a big display for the Best Friends.
• 2:10:58
  Speaker 4: And yeah they do.
• 2:11:01
  Speaker 2: Sam Walton was deep, was deep with them. They got
• 2:11:09
  Speaker 2: one other note on that, relative to that propaganda campaign
• 2:11:12
  Speaker 2: to cover Upper Movement. I was referring to a relative
• 2:11:14
  Speaker 2: to that documentary, I said Zeman. The documentary filmmaker moved
• 2:11:17
  Speaker 2: in with Franco at the same time, seemingly on the
• 2:11:20
  Speaker 2: same efforts but different paths. So Zeeman gets the rights
• 2:11:23
  Speaker 2: to The Ultimate Evil, republishes it with the documentary right.
• 2:11:28
  Speaker 2: He gets the rights to that as well, republishes an
• 2:11:31
  Speaker 2: updated version, removes an entire chapter of what I would
• 2:11:34
  Speaker 2: call you proto Smiley face killing incident with Andrew Crispo
• 2:11:39
  Speaker 2: and the the the death mask murder of that same
• 2:11:43
  Speaker 2: gay underground s and m scene as in The Deuce
• 2:11:46
  Speaker 2: that that James Franco did with by bastardizing Molitary's work.
• 2:11:49
  Speaker 2: So when you're removing an entire chapter about a very
• 2:11:52
  Speaker 2: integral murder that I think is to this cult ritual
• 2:11:54
  Speaker 2: human sacrifice activities, a proto s f K murder, if
• 2:11:58
  Speaker 2: you will, well, I think there's something more to be
• 2:12:00
  Speaker 2: said about that. You're just gonna go ahead and remove
• 2:12:02
  Speaker 2: that entire chapter from a book that's thirty years old.
• 2:12:08
  Speaker 2: So that's the that's that's that's the douche you want
• 2:12:11
  Speaker 2: have to go doucee your brain hold up, set. I mean,
• 2:12:13
  Speaker 2: you can get some good stuff from the documentary, but
• 2:12:15
  Speaker 2: it is propaganda, and I.
• 2:12:17
  Speaker 8: Don't like Netflix study in the propaganda is almost half
• 2:12:21
  Speaker 8: of it.
• 2:12:21
  Speaker 2: You know, I agree with you, sir.
• 2:12:23
  Speaker 9: I like Joe Rogan episodes.
• 2:12:25
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, I like to see not only is
• 2:12:27
  Speaker 2: not what they say, it's what they don't say, right,
• 2:12:29
  Speaker 2: but it is also what they say, Like when the
• 2:12:31
  Speaker 2: when the Satanic Temple's number two guys bragging that he's
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 2: the go between from the old process to the new
• 2:12:36
  Speaker 2: process and the process never ended. Well, then that's it
• 2:12:39
  Speaker 2: is also what they say, right. He's a member of
• 2:12:41
  Speaker 2: the band Skinny puppy or what wow, skinny.
• 2:12:44
  Speaker 7: Peppy, and you can find a lot of this uh
• 2:12:47
  Speaker 7: sort of mind control techniques all laid out in the
• 2:12:50
  Speaker 7: Nexium case.
• 2:12:51
  Speaker 6: Because it's all right there.
• 2:12:53
  Speaker 2: That's the Albany Chapter, sir, bare bones.
• 2:12:56
  Speaker 6: Like, that's the basic process way.
• 2:12:58
  Speaker 2: Of doing shit, and it is now you're spot on headless.
• 2:13:02
  Speaker 2: That's the we call him the next hum but it's
• 2:13:04
  Speaker 2: really the evolution of the next the Albany Chapter of
• 2:13:06
  Speaker 2: the Processed Church of the Final Judgment. In fact, I
• 2:13:10
  Speaker 2: have a photograph from one of their own members and
• 2:13:12
  Speaker 2: thought leaders, Swim Sims Bainbridge, pictured with them the Albany
• 2:13:16
  Speaker 2: chapter as he lists that nineteen seventy eight. So again
• 2:13:18
  Speaker 2: they never disbanded in seventy four. William Morrison, the skinny
• 2:13:21
  Speaker 2: puppy guy, specifically says the Albany Chapter he's been a
• 2:13:25
  Speaker 2: part of since the early eighties. So you know the
• 2:13:28
  Speaker 2: idea that that you have two offstrets of scientology Nextium
• 2:13:32
  Speaker 2: and the Process in Albany, both invading politics. Well, no,
• 2:13:36
  Speaker 2: it's the same organization, right.
• 2:13:42
  Speaker 6: They just don't close.
• 2:13:43
  Speaker 2: That's they put a new flag up from. But I
• 2:13:46
  Speaker 2: mean you know that the idea that next to him
• 2:13:49
  Speaker 2: has not invaded both state and federal politics of the
• 2:13:51
  Speaker 2: state of New York is preposterous. And it's not just
• 2:13:54
  Speaker 2: Kirsten Gillibrand, the US sendor from New York who's replaced
• 2:13:57
  Speaker 2: Clinton when she became Secretary of State for Obama. Her
• 2:14:01
  Speaker 2: father was a paid executive and her stepmother slash first
• 2:14:05
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  Speaker 2: the same businesses has had less of saying that that
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  Speaker 2: this infiltration of government and whatnot is certainly within their
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  Speaker 2: their full scale of operations from day one. According to
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  Speaker 2: the files of Ed Xanders, Jerry Moonbeam Brown, the boyfriend
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  Speaker 2: of Linda Ronstadt, was a member of the Process Church
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  Speaker 9: Governor, three time.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and he left four doors down from the Wonderland
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  Speaker 4: That's funny. You just move from one place the next.
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  Speaker 4: Hell hell you and JJ vans everybody know they can
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  Speaker 2: Please, Nick appreciate the invice always, Sir, Julia Colby, you
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  Speaker 2: my my twin flame. That's tell me, tried to hire
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  Speaker 2: I tell you that guy's pure eval. I came eyeball
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  Speaker 2: to eyeball with him, and I may have eaten some
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  Speaker 2: human burgers.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I was gonna say, JJ, we're working on some
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  Speaker 1: projects around the house today. I think we'll tune in
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  Speaker 1: tonight so we can hear about Buffalo.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Bufflo Jared. Yeah, So his family is the mind
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  Speaker 2: He could be a mind controlled assassin from a very
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  Speaker 2: famous sports hypnotist family. Because the Revisa sports hypnotist business,
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  Speaker 9: That's Philip Phillips Tazarro.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, Yeah, that's awesome.
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  Speaker 8: That guy's fucking uh photographic memory. I swear to God,
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  Speaker 8: if he's read a book, it's in there.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely. I claim he's an agent of the Dewey decimal
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  Speaker 4: But uh, thank you very much, JJ and Headless please.
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  Speaker 6: Thank you for having me on.
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  Speaker 7: Thank you guys and JJ and uh Julia and Casey Kate.
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  Speaker 7: Sorry anyways, you could find me on my X channel.
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  Speaker 6: We're talking about the.
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  Speaker 7: Rock structures all around the Great Lakes region and their
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  Speaker 3: Thank you awesome, Thank you so much. And Julia Coolby
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  Speaker 3: please let everybody know what's up.
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  Speaker 2: Go for you.
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  Speaker 1: So I I'm obviously on occult rejects quite often, so
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  Speaker 1: you know's I make a joke that if you haven't
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  Speaker 1: found me yet, you never will, but I will say
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  Speaker 1: It's always a pleasure. Love coming on the Occult Rejects,
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  Speaker 8: Koby all right, Conspiracy, playtime dot com. It's just kind
• 2:21:44
  Speaker 8: of the hub and anywhere you listen to podcasts. Just
• 2:21:47
  Speaker 8: did an episode of William Ramsey about Austin, Texas comedy
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  Speaker 8: and the Smiley Face. That one's worth checking out. And
• 2:21:57
  Speaker 8: I want to mention that we did this show for
• 2:21:59
  Speaker 8: this series she does on the cult of conspiracy. But
• 2:22:02
  Speaker 8: at the end we did a bonus episode with we
• 2:22:06
  Speaker 8: take is It five five five of the top colts,
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  Speaker 8: you know, the most well known, and we give them
• 2:22:11
  Speaker 8: a rating system, and then we throw the cults that
• 2:22:15
  Speaker 8: we covered into that rating system mix, and some of
• 2:22:17
  Speaker 8: them made it up kind of high compared.
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  Speaker 1: To the you know it was like a Jeopardy for cults,
• 2:22:22
  Speaker 1: and you can only see that on a cosmic Patriots
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  Speaker 1: pay to play.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, but it's it's worth checking out. Actually, we kind
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  Speaker 9: of just thought, what can we do. I didn't think
• 2:22:33
  Speaker 9: it would go as well as it did, but it
• 2:22:34
  Speaker 9: was fun. We're listening to that's.
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  Speaker 4: Great, nice, nice, Well, thank you both very much. Again,
• 2:22:40
  Speaker 4: that was awesome. You guys killed it like you always do.
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  Speaker 9: And yeah, kind of kids met man.
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  Speaker 8: You had a Colt guy, count Cancel, and we just
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  Speaker 8: ended up doing this and we're all fresh and yeah.
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  Speaker 4: It worked out perfect. Thank you. It's awesome.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, both JJ and Headless. I'd like to work with
• 2:22:58
  Speaker 8: you both on my show too at some point. I
• 2:23:00
  Speaker 8: mean there's lots to cover. You guys are both the
• 2:23:03
  Speaker 8: wealth of knowledge and your own rights for sure.
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  Speaker 2: So yeaes sir. I appreciate your all the time as well.
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  Speaker 2: And I'll get back to you on that that Oregon
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  Speaker 2: cult you're describing all right. Oh dude, I've been so
• 2:23:16
  Speaker 2: deepn Oregan activities, dude, Portland, Salem, so that you just
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  Speaker 2: added to my topography of situations out there that I'm gonna.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, we're only about an hour and a half north
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  Speaker 8: of Mount Shasta as well, so we're in the thick
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  Speaker 8: of the weird shit.
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  Speaker 2: I've been on the north, but now I'll check out
• 2:23:31
  Speaker 2: this stuff. But I do appreciate that America was founded
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  Speaker 2: by cults.
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  Speaker 6: So do you want to know history of America? No
• 2:23:40
  Speaker 6: cult history?
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  Speaker 1: Best parting words ever.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, people, the craziest belief came over here. Awesome, thank you.
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  Speaker 2: Well again they went west.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah and uh yeah.
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  Speaker 3: That is the end of another recult rejects and until
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  Speaker 3: the next one, everybody be well later.