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HORRIFIC BODY-CAM INSIDE KOHBERGER MURDER SCENE, AFTER STATE STRIKES DEAL WITH THE DEVIL · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: Your name and they.
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  Speaker 3: Like you all work at the University of Actually.
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  Speaker 4: You're nothing.
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  Speaker 5: When those prison doors slams shot behind you. I hope
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  Speaker 5: that sound echoes in your heart for the rest of
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  Speaker 5: your meaningless days.
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  Speaker 6: On the evening of November twelfth and into the early
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  Speaker 6: morning hours of November thirteenth, Kaylee and Madison arrived home
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  Speaker 6: at approximately one forty five am after visiting a local
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  Speaker 6: bar and a street food vendor. Ethan and Xana were
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  Speaker 6: also out in the community at Sigma Chai, and they
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  Speaker 6: arrived home at approximately one AM. Two surviving roommates who
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  Speaker 6: were also at in the community arrived home at approximately
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  Speaker 6: one AM.
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  Speaker 7: Now we're getting a peak at what was happening in
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  Speaker 7: those early morning hours around.
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  Speaker 4: Four a m.
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  Speaker 7: So far we know they were all out really late,
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  Speaker 7: some of them in a group.
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  Speaker 4: They were at a food truck.
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  Speaker 7: Everybody at that food truck and standing in the group
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  Speaker 7: fell under suspicion.
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  Speaker 4: I recall there was a guy in the distance.
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  Speaker 7: All these people were tracked down and questioned.
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  Speaker 4: See the guy on the riot kind of standing away.
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  Speaker 4: He was found.
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  Speaker 7: He was everybody was found and questioned. So we know
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  Speaker 7: they were at a food truck Super super early.
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  Speaker 4: In the morning.
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  Speaker 7: I'm talking one, two, three am. We know they went home.
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  Speaker 7: We know some of them ordered like Uber eats. These
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  Speaker 7: are the last known images of some of the victims,
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  Speaker 7: and this became an evidentiary football at the beginning of
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  Speaker 7: the investigation, as LA law enforcement tried to track their
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  Speaker 7: last movements and who they would have come in contact with.
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  Speaker 7: They go home, then naysayers immediately began vilifying Dylan and
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  Speaker 7: Bethany because they quote waited to call nine to one one.
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  Speaker 7: But I want you to see the text conversation between
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  Speaker 7: Dylan and Bethany.
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  Speaker 8: No one is answering. I'm really confused right now.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, dude, what the Xana was wearing all black?
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  Speaker 8: I'm freaking out right now. No, it's like a ski mask.
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  Speaker 8: Almost shut the f up. Actually, like he had something
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  Speaker 8: over his forehead and mouth. Bethany, I'm not kidding. I'm
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  Speaker 8: so freaked out. So a mine, my phone is going
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  Speaker 8: to die.
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  Speaker 1: Come to my room, run down here.
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  Speaker 8: I'm screwed though, Yeah, I know, but it's better than
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  Speaker 8: being alone.
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  Speaker 7: Sidney Sumner joining me Crime Stories investigative reporter Sydney Let's
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  Speaker 7: put this into context. Of course, the cell phone data
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  Speaker 7: experts are going to know exactly what time these texts
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  Speaker 7: were going back and forth between them. Dylan Mortenson's phone
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  Speaker 7: was dying and Bethany was trying to coax Heart to
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  Speaker 7: run to her room. Can you imagine running from room
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  Speaker 7: to room knowing that there's an intruder or thinking there's
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  Speaker 7: an intruder in the home. Tell me what you've gleaned
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  Speaker 7: about these text messages, Sidney Nancy.
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  Speaker 3: I think these text messages are between two terrified co
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  Speaker 3: eds who don't know what's going on and have been
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  Speaker 3: out all night partying, drinking. So unfortunately they are not
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  Speaker 3: sober at this point. And their house is known to
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  Speaker 3: have sometimes strangers in it. They throw parties often, they
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  Speaker 3: have a lot of friends. There's five people living there,
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  Speaker 3: so in terms of having a stranger in the house,
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  Speaker 3: that's not super uncommon for them. And even if this
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  Speaker 3: person was not somebody they recognized and fruit them out,
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  Speaker 3: they might not immediately call nine to one one, not
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  Speaker 3: knowing whether or not this is someone who is supposed
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  Speaker 3: to be there at that point.
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  Speaker 6: On the morning of November thirteenth, at eleven fifty eight am,
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  Speaker 6: a nine call was placed the call reported an unconscious person.
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  Speaker 6: The call originated from inside the residence and the surviving
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  Speaker 6: roommates cell phone was used.
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  Speaker 9: On location of your emergency.
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  Speaker 10: Something is happening to you don't know what?
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  Speaker 9: What is the address of the emergency? What is the
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  Speaker 9: rest of the address?
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  Speaker 11: Oh, King two roads?
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  Speaker 9: Okay?
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  Speaker 10: And is that a house or an apartment? Did the house?
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  Speaker 9: Can you repeat the address to make sure that I
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  Speaker 9: have it right?
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  Speaker 3: I'll talk to you guys. We're we live at the lights,
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  Speaker 3: so we're next to them.
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  Speaker 10: I need someone to repeat the address for verification.
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  Speaker 9: The address one one to to King Drugs. Tell me
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  Speaker 9: exactly what's going on.
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  Speaker 12: One of our one of.
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  Speaker 13: The roommates who pass out and she's drunk class and.
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  Speaker 5: Shedn't wake me up?
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  Speaker 10: Okay?
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  Speaker 3: Oh and they saw some man in their house house night.
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  Speaker 12: Yeah right?
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  Speaker 9: Just men, are you in the patient?
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  Speaker 14: Okay?
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  Speaker 10: I need someone to keep the phone, stop passing it around.
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  Speaker 10: Can I just tell you what happened?
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  Speaker 12: Pretty much?
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  Speaker 10: What is going on currently? If someone passed out right now?
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  Speaker 15: I don't really know what pretty much at four m okay,
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  Speaker 15: I need.
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  Speaker 10: To know what's going on right now. If someone has
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  Speaker 10: passed out, can you find that out?
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, I'll come, come on up the mudical.
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  Speaker 7: Check what we have to And there you hear the
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  Speaker 7: surviving victim speaking, and she begins to tell what happened.
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  Speaker 7: She says pretty much at four a m. And the
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  Speaker 7: dispatch operator cuts in and goes, yeah, I don't need
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  Speaker 7: to know that. I need to know if somebody passed out.
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  Speaker 4: Can you find that out? Okay, let's keep going.
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  Speaker 1: She's not waking up.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, okay, one moment, I'm getting help started that way,
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  Speaker 10: we'll give me.
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  Speaker 9: Okay, and how old is she?
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  Speaker 3: Tom?
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  Speaker 10: She's twenty.
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  Speaker 9: Twenty?
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  Speaker 12: You said, yes, twenty, here's okay.
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  Speaker 10: Hello, Hello, Okay, I need someone to stop passing the
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  Speaker 10: phone around because I've talked to four different people.
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  Speaker 16: Hey, sorry, they just gave me the phone.
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  Speaker 9: Is she breathing?
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  Speaker 17: She?
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  Speaker 14: Hello?
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  Speaker 16: Is she breathing?
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  Speaker 14: No?
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  Speaker 12: Okay, Well I can't you talk too?
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  Speaker 7: Hello?
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  Speaker 10: Okay, may have already shurent to the ambulance and law enforcement.
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  Speaker 10: Stay on the line.
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  Speaker 9: If there is a defibrillator available, send someone to get
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  Speaker 9: it now and tell me when.
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  Speaker 10: You have it.
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  Speaker 11: Okay, boy again, there's a police here right now.
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  Speaker 9: Okay.
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  Speaker 10: If there's a defibrillator available, send someone to get it
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  Speaker 10: now and tell me when you have it.
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  Speaker 18: You don't.
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  Speaker 9: Yet.
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  Speaker 3: Did you have a desibulator?
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  Speaker 19: Yes?
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  Speaker 9: Do you have one?
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  Speaker 10: Are you talking to the officer?
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  Speaker 7: Yes?
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  Speaker 10: Okay, I'm gonna let you go so she's there with
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  Speaker 10: you and can help you.
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  Speaker 6: Okay, thank you, fine, Okay, we're Moscow Police officers responded
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  Speaker 6: and found two victims, two on the second floor and
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  Speaker 6: two on the third floor of eleven twenty two King.
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  Speaker 7: Road inside hell h E double L horrific new body
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  Speaker 7: camp video emerging inside the murder saying and it reveals
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  Speaker 7: the truth for sure.
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  Speaker 16: Yep or share or share.
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  Speaker 2: We're at and you gotters out. Here's here.
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  Speaker 20: You've got to call.
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  Speaker 7: You know you.
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  Speaker 16: And I checking us down.
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  Speaker 21: And I can't re use you agree with you?
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  Speaker 13: And I checket.
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  Speaker 16: Let's slow down. There's a good news. Come here. It's
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  Speaker 16: there's two okay.
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  Speaker 7: Doddies Sydney. What we're hearing is the officer who arrives
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  Speaker 7: at the scene. There are four people standing outside. Let's
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  Speaker 7: see the video. The group is huddled outside and we
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  Speaker 7: hear the officer speaking to the friend hunter Johnson, and
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  Speaker 7: Johnson is saying, up here, up here, I just came
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  Speaker 7: to check in here and this is what I found.
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  Speaker 7: I checked to see if she's breathing, and she's I
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  Speaker 7: think this is going to be not I didn't check
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  Speaker 7: him yet, referring to Ethan. Then you hear a Moscow
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  Speaker 7: first responder state looks like dead bodies.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, this is the absolute first response to this home
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  Speaker 3: after getting that nine to.
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  Speaker 17: One one call.
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  Speaker 3: And during that call, the girls in the house try
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  Speaker 3: to explain what happened that they think they saw someone
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  Speaker 3: at four am, but the officer, the dispatcher, just wants
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  Speaker 3: to know exactly who they can try and help. So
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  Speaker 3: immediately after we see what we saw in the cut
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  Speaker 3: that just played, EMT's start rushing up to the house,
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  Speaker 3: and this officer who was the first on scene, who
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  Speaker 3: first went to check on everything, he has to stop
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  Speaker 3: this group of twenty five ants that show up to
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  Speaker 3: the house and say, you know, we don't think we
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  Speaker 3: need your services.
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  Speaker 16: Nobody's allowed to leave for now. Okay, just stay here
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  Speaker 16: for me, please.
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  Speaker 2: Do you know they here?
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  Speaker 16: Can you guys go over to the dumpster for me?
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  Speaker 22: Please let me secure the outside first?
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  Speaker 2: Who is there's a backgand try I'll gonna start taking
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  Speaker 2: it all off. Seeing outside off okay.
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  Speaker 16: Already, doesn't I gotten there?
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  Speaker 2: Shut the dog in there.
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  Speaker 7: You hear the officer trying to secure it, saying, I've
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  Speaker 7: got to I got to right here, talking about two
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  Speaker 7: dead bodies, I got two right here.
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  Speaker 1: Already.
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  Speaker 7: The house is clear. In other words, the suspect's not there.
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  Speaker 7: There's not a life suspect there. The house is clear
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  Speaker 7: to walk through. And they shut the dog, which is
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  Speaker 7: common because you don't know when the dog is gonna
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  Speaker 7: go crazy to start biting. You shut the dog in there.
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  Speaker 7: I'm curious where he shut the dog. But before I
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  Speaker 7: analyze that, I want you to hear more from the survivors.
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  Speaker 4: This is Dylan Morton's Listen, all right, what do.
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  Speaker 16: You remember you're saying? We started?
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  Speaker 11: I remember I was in my room and I trying
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  Speaker 11: to go to bed, and they heard Kelley, who I'm
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  Speaker 11: so bad?
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  Speaker 16: Look real fast, Which one is your room?
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  Speaker 3: Her?
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  Speaker 16: Which one is your room?
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  Speaker 12: Oh?
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  Speaker 16: Room? Are you in here? You were in that room?
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  Speaker 12: My room is in this room?
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  Speaker 16: My room and your room. Here's the best one right hand?
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  Speaker 11: Is that one second floor?
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  Speaker 16: Okay?
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  Speaker 12: All I heard was I heard hed go.
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  Speaker 11: Upstairs and okay, I'm gonna go to seat now.
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  Speaker 2: Because she's going upstairs.
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  Speaker 16: Heard who go upstairs?
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  Speaker 11: Kaylee and the dog Murphy.
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  Speaker 16: And upstairs to the very top.
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  Speaker 11: Yeah, that's where her room is.
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  Speaker 4: Sydney.
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  Speaker 7: What is probative about that body camp we just showed.
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  Speaker 7: What does this prove, Sydney.
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  Speaker 3: So first we have to get in her mind that
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  Speaker 3: the entire time Dylan insists Haylee went upstairs, Kaylee screamed,
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  Speaker 3: Kaylee ran down the stairs, And the officer even points
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  Speaker 3: this out later he says to another officer she somehow
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  Speaker 3: knows she was somehow able to discern this with Kaylee.
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  Speaker 3: But we don't think that's actually true. So we have
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  Speaker 3: to think about the layout of the house. So Kaylee
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  Speaker 3: and Maddie were asleep upstairs. Xanna's room was on the
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  Speaker 3: second floor, where Dylan's room was. So the only thing
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  Speaker 3: that makes sense for somebody to have ran down those
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  Speaker 3: stairs is Xanna, not Kaylee, not Maddie. So we have
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  Speaker 3: to get that in our heads as we're listening to
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  Speaker 3: Dylan's recollection of events. But it just proves to me
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  Speaker 3: that someone was there. These women are correct, someone was
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  Speaker 3: in their house.
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  Speaker 7: So do you think at the time when we think
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  Speaker 7: Kelly was saying Hey, I'm gonna go to bed.
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  Speaker 4: I'm gonna go to sleep.
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  Speaker 7: Do you think he was already in the house, because
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  Speaker 7: now I believe that he was already in there waiting
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  Speaker 7: for them to go to sleep.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think that they all went to their beds
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  Speaker 4: and then he snuck in with you.
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  Speaker 3: And we also learned later that Maddie was the last
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  Speaker 3: person to take Murphy out. So Mattie checks in with
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  Speaker 3: Dylan and bethany one more time. Hey, I lost Murphy.
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  Speaker 3: I can't get him to come inside. Is he with
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  Speaker 3: either of y'all? She's looking for the dog. So again,
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  Speaker 3: this dog who they described for weeks was on edge
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  Speaker 3: before the murders, who was constantly going off into the
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  Speaker 3: woods and wouldn't come back when called, just acting very
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  Speaker 3: very oddly, does the same thing this night when they're
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  Speaker 3: taking him out for the last time. So I'm kind
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  Speaker 3: of feeling like someone was watching as they took the
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  Speaker 3: dog out for the very last time, and maybe snuck
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  Speaker 3: in just behind them as they brought the dog in.
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  Speaker 11: And then ultimately we're looking up. I heard her scream
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  Speaker 11: and she ran downstairs because she saw someone. That's what
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  Speaker 11: I'm pretty sure she said. She one's here and she's
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  Speaker 11: screamed and just randomn stairs and I called for a name,
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  Speaker 11: but they jumped up and locked my door close.
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  Speaker 2: So scared.
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  Speaker 11: And then and I heard someone in the bathroom when
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  Speaker 11: I heard her crying, and I heard some guys say
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  Speaker 11: that you're gonna be okay. I'm gonna help you. And
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  Speaker 11: I kept calling your name, but she wasn't answering. And
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  Speaker 11: then I opened the door for a second and I
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  Speaker 11: saw this guy and he was not insanely told, but
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  Speaker 11: he's doing all black and like this mask. I was
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  Speaker 11: just covering his.
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  Speaker 12: Forehead and his mouth.
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  Speaker 11: And I walked the door and I called, and I
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  Speaker 11: didn't know what to do.
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  Speaker 16: Yes, you left here.
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  Speaker 11: I left my room down to bed and she's that
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  Speaker 11: went with the white wine at the very bottom. I
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  Speaker 11: run do there and we talked and I just just
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  Speaker 11: locked the door.
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  Speaker 12: Wouldn't think anything of it.
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  Speaker 11: We're like, nothing happens in Moscow.
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  Speaker 1: So we just like tried to go to bed.
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  Speaker 11: And then we woke up, and it was weird because
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  Speaker 11: none of our roommates were up and we called all
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  Speaker 11: of them. They were not waking up, and so mean,
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  Speaker 11: like this is weird. So I called and come over
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  Speaker 11: and then that's all this happened with me. Say that
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  Speaker 11: boy right there is the girl in there.
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  Speaker 16: It's the girl that Okay, how do you spoke her name?
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  Speaker 12: I mean x A n A.
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  Speaker 16: Do you know she has a middle name Alexis I think?
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  Speaker 16: Do you know what her last name is?
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  Speaker 1: Pronodle kay and Ernestole?
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  Speaker 12: Really Kate, you know r n O d l k
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  Speaker 12: a E r a e r O k E r
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  Speaker 12: n O n O l d l e.
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  Speaker 16: Okay, excite n A x A n A Okay, Neves
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  Speaker 16: in there.
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  Speaker 11: He's actually everybody's.
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  Speaker 2: Here all the time.
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  Speaker 16: He is a Mallett lives here and he doesn't actually
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  Speaker 16: as the Indusiana. I believe he is right now, but
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  Speaker 16: he doesn't.
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  Speaker 2: He doesn't live. Everybody's here a lot.
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  Speaker 11: And then there's Maddy Mogan and Kayley up top.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know where they're at.
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  Speaker 9: Mit.
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  Speaker 2: Describe the guy that you tall.
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  Speaker 11: I don't think he was. He was a little bit
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  Speaker 11: taller than me and I couldn't really see much of him.
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  Speaker 2: But she's I'm almost positive.
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  Speaker 11: He's bringing a slow back outfit. And he had this
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  Speaker 11: mask that let's just go for his forehead and over
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  Speaker 11: his nose, and he didn't say anything.
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  Speaker 16: To me, like at all.
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  Speaker 11: I just shut the door and locked it because I
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  Speaker 11: didn't know what to do. And I think he went
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  Speaker 11: out like the side door, the sliding door in the
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  Speaker 11: kitchen that goes up to the backyard.
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  Speaker 12: And then I didn't know anything else.
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  Speaker 11: I called, you know, I was like, I just can't
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  Speaker 11: come downstairs and find because I don't know.
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  Speaker 16: Where anyone else is.
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  Speaker 11: And I called Maddie. I called Danna. I called Katie.
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  Speaker 7: No answer.
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  Speaker 12: I heard her scream and run like run.
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  Speaker 11: As fast as she could downstairs, and she said someone's here.
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  Speaker 12: She yes, I could hear you can hear everything.
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  Speaker 11: I'm not sure. I heard her run downstairs fast, and
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  Speaker 11: then I heard Murphy barking a lot, okay. And then
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  Speaker 11: I heard her going to the back I think there
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  Speaker 11: was the bathroom, and I remember her stopping and I
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  Speaker 11: just didn't heard this guy's voice and I didn't recognize
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  Speaker 11: saying you're gonna be okay, to help you. But it
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  Speaker 11: was like, I don't know how to explain it, like
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  Speaker 11: it was it in like a nice way. It was
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  Speaker 11: like a weird way, like a weird tea.
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  Speaker 23: You're gonna be okay, I'm gonna help you, and you
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  Speaker 23: didn't hear anything from Kaye anymore.
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  Speaker 16: Then Nuddy about Murphy and then Murphy's a dog.
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  Speaker 24: Yeah, and then I.
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  Speaker 4: Went outside go to bed and she was so tuky,
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  Speaker 4: you know.
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  Speaker 12: And then and then my dad liked about a gers
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  Speaker 12: and that he just said that.
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  Speaker 2: She was Murphy.
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  Speaker 25: And was what he was letting me the next and
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  Speaker 25: then at what time using Chelsea.
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  Speaker 16: M.
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  Speaker 7: You see what's happening here, all the speculation about the dog.
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: He had been there before, and he had befriended the dog.
• 19:56
  Speaker 7: He knew Murphy, and Murphy was park Murphy the dog
• 20:01
  Speaker 7: was part of the scenario that night.
• 20:05
  Speaker 16: Uh, she's sang this morning for there's a guy black
• 20:09
  Speaker 16: male was in there.
• 20:10
  Speaker 25: She would recognized him. She and she heard girl screaming upstairs.
• 20:15
  Speaker 25: She got scared, walked herself in the room and then
• 20:19
  Speaker 25: screaming all stop. She's pretty sure that this masked person
• 20:23
  Speaker 25: went out that backing.
• 20:28
  Speaker 23: And right now getting off the information, she knows only
• 20:31
  Speaker 23: two girls up there haven't told hers deceased or anything
• 20:34
  Speaker 23: like that.
• 20:35
  Speaker 25: They just have four people that are unaccount of store
• 20:38
  Speaker 25: right now.
• 20:39
  Speaker 7: Which.
• 20:41
  Speaker 16: Okay, who's dog, who's dog? Who owns a dog.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: Crime Stores with Nancy Gray.
• 20:59
  Speaker 7: And I, and as Sydney told us earlier, we find
• 21:02
  Speaker 7: out the only one that knew what had really happened
• 21:05
  Speaker 7: was Hunter Johnson, the kid that had his hands up
• 21:09
  Speaker 7: over his head in anguish.
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: Listen to Hunter Johnson, I forgot.
• 21:16
  Speaker 16: You're here, man? Do you still want to hang out here?
• 21:19
  Speaker 20: I just want to know what's going on.
• 21:21
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 21:25
  Speaker 16: I don't know how much.
• 21:26
  Speaker 23: I'm wanted to disclose right now, we're processing what's going
• 21:32
  Speaker 23: on in the scene. As soon as we know for
• 21:35
  Speaker 23: sure we can tell you guys what's going on, We
• 21:38
  Speaker 23: absolutely will.
• 21:39
  Speaker 16: I know it sucks to be in the dark with this,
• 21:41
  Speaker 16: but okay, and what's your what's your relationship again?
• 21:51
  Speaker 25: Okay?
• 21:55
  Speaker 16: Yeah, man, as soon as soon as I know we're
• 21:56
  Speaker 16: able to zillion on us on, we'll we'll let you know, okay.
• 22:01
  Speaker 6: The results of autopsies indicated that the four were stabbed
• 22:04
  Speaker 6: multiple times and we're likely asleep during the attack. Some
• 22:09
  Speaker 6: had defensive wounds, and there was no sign of sexual assault.
• 22:14
  Speaker 7: Video surveillance shows a white sedan passing the King wrote address.
• 22:19
  Speaker 7: The sedan returns and stops in front of the King
• 22:23
  Speaker 7: wrote address sixteen minutes later, the white sedan scratches off,
• 22:30
  Speaker 7: taking off like a bat out of Hell at a
• 22:33
  Speaker 7: high speed, leaving the King Road address.
• 22:36
  Speaker 26: We're looking for a twenty eleven to a twenty thirteen
• 22:40
  Speaker 26: the Atlantra, So any assistance you can give us, anybody
• 22:45
  Speaker 26: that owns one, anybody that knows of someone who owns
• 22:47
  Speaker 26: one or may have been driving one. If you could
• 22:49
  Speaker 26: get a hold of us through our tip line or
• 22:52
  Speaker 26: colls directly, we'd appreciate that.
• 22:56
  Speaker 27: Detectives arrested twenty eight year old Brian Christopher Coleburger in Albrightsville,
• 23:03
  Speaker 27: Pennsylvania on a warrant for murder of ethan Zena Madison
• 23:11
  Speaker 27: and Kaylee Coburger resides in Pullman, Washington, who is a
• 23:16
  Speaker 27: graduate student at Washington State University, just.
• 23:19
  Speaker 15: Around three am. In fact, it might have been even
• 23:21
  Speaker 15: a little earlier. A man named Brian Christopher Coburger was
• 23:25
  Speaker 15: taken into custody in Albrightsville, Pennsylvania. That is nearly three
• 23:30
  Speaker 15: thousand miles away, in fact, much more more than twenty
• 23:34
  Speaker 15: five hundred miles away from the crime scene here in Moscow, Idaho.
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: Let's see the timeline, isn't it true?
• 23:48
  Speaker 7: Caitlin Cornick joining us from the Sun that Coburger we
• 23:52
  Speaker 7: can prove turned his phone off and on the night
• 23:56
  Speaker 7: of the murders, Yes, two forty two, his phone is
• 24:00
  Speaker 7: on at his apartment in Pullman. To forty seven, he
• 24:05
  Speaker 7: turns his phone off. Who on this panel turns your
• 24:08
  Speaker 7: phone off when you're going driving in the middle of
• 24:10
  Speaker 7: the night. I would keep mine on just in case
• 24:13
  Speaker 7: I had a nine to one one. Anyway, he turns
• 24:16
  Speaker 7: his off.
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: We know that, and that is ear refutable.
• 24:19
  Speaker 7: To forty seven. This guy is up and about turning
• 24:23
  Speaker 7: his phone off. Three twenty nine, not cell phone, but
• 24:32
  Speaker 7: video surveillance from a nearby home. A residence shows a
• 24:38
  Speaker 7: white sedan passing the King wrote address.
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: That looks oops just like his white Elantra for zero four.
• 24:51
  Speaker 7: The sedan returns and stops in front of the King
• 24:54
  Speaker 7: wrote address.
• 24:58
  Speaker 20: Four.
• 24:58
  Speaker 7: Twenty sixty minutes later, the white sedan scratches off, taking
• 25:06
  Speaker 7: off like a bat out of Hell at a high speed,
• 25:10
  Speaker 7: leaving the King road address. And then twenty eight minutes
• 25:14
  Speaker 7: later that phone is turned back on and it's pinging
• 25:19
  Speaker 7: south of Moscow, Idaho State Highway ninety five. The defense
• 25:25
  Speaker 7: is arguing that Coburger was driving south of Pullman, where
• 25:30
  Speaker 7: he goes to school at Washington State University, and west
• 25:34
  Speaker 7: of Moscow, Coburger's residence on the left.
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: I drove it myself.
• 25:40
  Speaker 7: It's about an eight and a half to twelve minute
• 25:42
  Speaker 7: drive from Coburger's apartment to the crime scene where the
• 25:47
  Speaker 7: victims lived on King Road. Defense claiming Coburger driving south
• 25:52
  Speaker 7: of Pullman and that's Pullman, Washington and west of Moscow,
• 26:00
  Speaker 7: Idaho quote as he often did to hike and run
• 26:05
  Speaker 7: or see the moon and stars. The two towns Pullman
• 26:12
  Speaker 7: and Moscow are only ten miles apart, so really quick
• 26:16
  Speaker 7: drive compared to his long, circuitous route he took home
• 26:21
  Speaker 7: when he turned his cell.
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: Phone back on.
• 26:27
  Speaker 7: Idaho murder suspect Brian Koberger gets pulled over by law
• 26:32
  Speaker 7: enforcement two times, not just in one day, but actually
• 26:35
  Speaker 7: within minutes of each other, on his way for Thanksgiving
• 26:39
  Speaker 7: break to his parents' home near the Poconos.
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: I just got to say, two times within minutes. That's
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: no coincidence.
• 26:48
  Speaker 16: How y'all doing today?
• 26:51
  Speaker 7: Good?
• 26:51
  Speaker 24: Good?
• 26:52
  Speaker 22: Take a look at your driver's lines.
• 26:53
  Speaker 16: Is real quick as I could.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: See, he's right up on that man.
• 26:57
  Speaker 16: Man, you right up on the back end of that
• 27:01
  Speaker 16: van old jover for tailgating? Is this your car? Okay?
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: Cool?
• 27:07
  Speaker 16: Where you headed?
• 27:09
  Speaker 9: Well?
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: We coming from WSU?
• 27:17
  Speaker 7: Where are you headed? He later says, We're going for
• 27:22
  Speaker 7: tie food and the Dad's like, what uh? You were
• 27:25
  Speaker 7: seeing bodycam video when a Hancock County, Indiana Sheriff's department
• 27:32
  Speaker 7: bodycam when they pull them over and ask to see
• 27:37
  Speaker 7: Coburger's driver's license. Now, it was arguing back and forth,
• 27:42
  Speaker 7: and I claimed vehemently that this was no coincidence because
• 27:46
  Speaker 7: there were two pullovers by local l E law enforcement
• 27:51
  Speaker 7: in one trip home. When does that happen? How often
• 27:55
  Speaker 7: do you get pulled over? I rarely get pulled over,
• 27:59
  Speaker 7: So you get pulled over twice and you never even
• 28:02
  Speaker 7: get a ticket. Oh no, that's stunt. To high heaven
• 28:06
  Speaker 7: with me right now. Howard Bloom, author of a brand
• 28:09
  Speaker 7: new book When the Night Comes Falling a Requiem for
• 28:12
  Speaker 7: the IO student Murders, which is amazing, and in his
• 28:17
  Speaker 7: book he outlines how these two pullovers nearly costs the
• 28:24
  Speaker 7: FBI their investigation, or so they thought.
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: Take a listen to more of the pullover.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: What's WSU?
• 28:34
  Speaker 17: Yeahs burd that is wat's you Maria A sure.
• 28:44
  Speaker 16: Okay, I have a hard time period because of the traffic.
• 28:47
  Speaker 16: So you're coming from Washington State University and you're.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: Going where, oh wouldn't be going back to?
• 28:56
  Speaker 16: Okay, Yeah, we're.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: A little fighting much.
• 29:02
  Speaker 7: How to Howard Bloom, I'm gonna circle back to the
• 29:06
  Speaker 7: fact that, unasked, he starts talking about talking about SWAT's team,
• 29:12
  Speaker 7: SWAT Team swarming the area.
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: Methink, thou dost protest too much. In the immortal words
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: of William Shakespeare.
• 29:21
  Speaker 7: Nobody asked, Nobody asked about the Idaho murders.
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: Yet he's dead.
• 29:27
  Speaker 7: He's just regurgitating, vomiting the information when nobody asked. But
• 29:31
  Speaker 7: I want to circle back to the so called hat
• 29:33
  Speaker 7: box operation that you described.
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: So well in your book When the Night Comes Falling?
• 29:40
  Speaker 7: Explain and why did the FBI, who absolutely was following
• 29:46
  Speaker 7: Coburger as he and his dad across the country, thought
• 29:50
  Speaker 7: that their entire operation may go up in flames.
• 29:54
  Speaker 13: Well, as you point out, the FBI decided that Coburger
• 29:59
  Speaker 13: was a person enough interest. They decided this earlier before
• 30:03
  Speaker 13: they even told the Moscow Task Force. They kept this
• 30:06
  Speaker 13: to themselves for either one of two reasons. The first
• 30:11
  Speaker 13: reason was that it was the identification was based on
• 30:14
  Speaker 13: the genealogy genetics investigative genetic genealogy, and they thought that
• 30:19
  Speaker 13: wouldn't hold up in court. Or a much more cynical
• 30:24
  Speaker 13: explanation would be that the FBI didn't want to share
• 30:27
  Speaker 13: the credit for Coburg's arrest with anyone else. So they
• 30:31
  Speaker 13: go off and follow him, and they have cars, they
• 30:34
  Speaker 13: have a plane in the air that's following his route,
• 30:37
  Speaker 13: and suddenly they see Coburger being stopped, and they don't
• 30:42
  Speaker 13: know what's going on, and they don't know what to do.
• 30:46
  Speaker 13: They think a local cop, a local sheriff had seen
• 30:49
  Speaker 13: the be on the lookout for notice and swooped in
• 30:53
  Speaker 13: on this Hondai a Lantra, or they're also wondering how
• 30:58
  Speaker 13: is Coburger going to react he is a suspect and
• 31:02
  Speaker 13: a quadruple homicide. Is he going to get on the
• 31:05
  Speaker 13: you know, put his foot on the accelerator and tear out,
• 31:08
  Speaker 13: or perhaps he's going to shoot anything as possible of
• 31:12
  Speaker 13: the officer who's coming in to give him this traffic ticket.
• 31:17
  Speaker 13: Then nine minutes.
• 31:18
  Speaker 7: Later, it's almost laughable, Howard, because the FBI actually has
• 31:23
  Speaker 7: a bird in the air watching they see one pullover
• 31:27
  Speaker 7: by the Hancock Kenny Sheriffs, and Coburger goes on his way.
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: And then there's another pullover.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: Don't you know.
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: They're like, what is happening down there?
• 31:39
  Speaker 7: Why are they pulling over our quadruple murders suspect. I'm
• 31:45
  Speaker 7: sure they were just and they couldn't say anything. And
• 31:48
  Speaker 7: they're watching from a bird right, yes.
• 31:52
  Speaker 13: They have assess they're flying overhead. You know, it's a
• 31:54
  Speaker 13: hawk waiting to swoop down in case anything happens. In effect,
• 31:58
  Speaker 13: and they've been building this case for six weeks and
• 32:01
  Speaker 13: they're finally getting closer and they think the whole case
• 32:03
  Speaker 13: is going to be blown apart before they've connected all
• 32:07
  Speaker 13: the dots, and they are filled with a sense of panic,
• 32:11
  Speaker 13: but discipline.
• 32:13
  Speaker 7: What Howard, They were right and this is no offense
• 32:16
  Speaker 7: to Indiana at all. But I understand where the FBI
• 32:20
  Speaker 7: is coming from, and you know how much I hate
• 32:21
  Speaker 7: the Feds. But that said Chris mcdonnad joining me, director
• 32:25
  Speaker 7: Cole Case Foundation, former homicide detective, and start of the
• 32:29
  Speaker 7: interview room on YouTube. Chris, if they had stopped Coburger
• 32:36
  Speaker 7: and he nutted up and they arrested him or sped off.
• 32:40
  Speaker 7: Anything could have happened because we can't we can't predict
• 32:43
  Speaker 7: what Coburger is going to do.
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: Just like his father, he had no idea what a
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: son might do. We would never have gotten the evidence.
• 32:51
  Speaker 7: That we got when they finally got home to the
• 32:53
  Speaker 7: Pocono area, remember they were surveilled.
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: They went in finally or in the early morning hours,
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: they catch I think, in his.
• 33:01
  Speaker 7: Shorts or underwear, wearing plastic gloves and separating his trash
• 33:05
  Speaker 7: from everybody else's trash, and they see him go throwing
• 33:09
  Speaker 7: trash in the neighbor's receptacle. None of that would have
• 33:14
  Speaker 7: happened if local authorities had arrested Coburger for a traffic violation,
• 33:20
  Speaker 7: or if Coburger.
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: Spun out and brought about his own arrest. So I
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: understand why they were worried.
• 33:30
  Speaker 20: Yeah, absolutely, And not only that. If you remember, this
• 33:34
  Speaker 20: officer is leaning in, so if he would have seen
• 33:36
  Speaker 20: anything in plane view, any blood transfer or anything like that,
• 33:40
  Speaker 20: well the clock starts ticking right then and there. If
• 33:43
  Speaker 20: this officer starts diving into this traffic stop, that you
• 33:48
  Speaker 20: may have this fugitive task Force surveillance team you know,
• 33:51
  Speaker 20: overhead and behind him, going, hey, what.
• 33:54
  Speaker 16: The heck is going on here?
• 33:55
  Speaker 20: You know, this thing could have gone south really fast,
• 33:58
  Speaker 20: but fortunately they cut him loose and they were able
• 34:02
  Speaker 20: to connect those stocks.
• 34:03
  Speaker 16: The man hearing here where.
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: Miss Taylor is, mister Coberger prepared to plead.
• 34:10
  Speaker 21: To these charges.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: Feels because mister Coberger is Sandy silent.
• 34:19
  Speaker 16: I'm going to enter not guilty.
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: Police.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: Each charge has one, two, three, four, and five.
• 34:31
  Speaker 14: During the quiet morning hours of November thirteen, twenty twenty two,
• 34:37
  Speaker 14: a faceless coward reached the tranquility of six beautiful young
• 34:41
  Speaker 14: people and senselessly slaughtered them four of them. Who committed
• 34:51
  Speaker 14: this unspeakable evil was unknown for several weeks, but due
• 34:56
  Speaker 14: to the killers in competence and outstanding police work by
• 35:00
  Speaker 14: numerous local, state, and federal law enforcement agencies, the person
• 35:05
  Speaker 14: that slithered through that sliding glass door at one one
• 35:08
  Speaker 14: two two King Road now stands before the world and
• 35:12
  Speaker 14: this court unmasked. This unfathomable and senseless act of evil
• 35:18
  Speaker 14: has caused immeasurable pain and loss. No parent should ever
• 35:28
  Speaker 14: have to bury their child. This is the greatest tragedy
• 35:33
  Speaker 14: that can be inflicted upon a person.
• 35:39
  Speaker 7: Brian Coburger takes a plea deal to save his own skin.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: Why was that allowed?
• 35:49
  Speaker 7: How in the world did Brian Coburger escape trial in
• 35:57
  Speaker 7: the last hours, that deal with the devil goes down
• 36:00
  Speaker 7: in open court. But I want you to see the
• 36:04
  Speaker 7: prosecutor choking on his own words, breaking down, crying in court.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: Watch on November.
• 36:10
  Speaker 28: Thirteenth, twenty twenty two. Excuse me, miss Coberger entered the
• 36:19
  Speaker 28: residence of eleven twenty two King Road in Moscow, Idaho.
• 36:22
  Speaker 28: He did that with the intent to kill. We will
• 36:25
  Speaker 28: not represent that he intended to commit all of the
• 36:28
  Speaker 28: murders that he did that night, but we know that
• 36:31
  Speaker 28: that is what resulted, and that he then killed intentionally, willfully, deliberately,
• 36:38
  Speaker 28: with premeditation, and with mouse forethought. Manny Mogan, Kate we
• 36:44
  Speaker 28: CON's office, Ethan Chapin and.
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: Sat really.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: Save it.
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: Your tears mean nothing.
• 36:58
  Speaker 18: You stood there when you took the deal over the
• 37:03
  Speaker 18: objections of some victims' families, and I agree with them.
• 37:09
  Speaker 7: At first, I thought it wouldn't happen. I thought maybe
• 37:12
  Speaker 7: the media was wrong. Reports could be wrong, couldn't they
• 37:15
  Speaker 7: But then it went down in the last hours in
• 37:19
  Speaker 7: a court of law, it's done, it's over. Brian Koberger
• 37:25
  Speaker 7: will never face the death penalty. He won't even face trial.
• 37:31
  Speaker 7: The victims' families will never have answers. Listen to what
• 37:36
  Speaker 7: Steve and Christy gunsolve Is say about this plea deal.
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: We lost our minds.
• 37:42
  Speaker 21: We were in that meet. I mean we were screaming,
• 37:44
  Speaker 21: we were tussing, we were yelling, we were saying, why
• 37:46
  Speaker 21: did you do this?
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: How did you do this?
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: You know what happened.
• 37:51
  Speaker 5: You just talked to us on Friday and told us that,
• 37:54
  Speaker 5: you know, you had every anticipation of taking.
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: This all the way.
• 38:00
  Speaker 19: He accepted the plea deal within the same hour that
• 38:02
  Speaker 19: he got it. This man never wanted to fight for
• 38:05
  Speaker 19: our children.
• 38:06
  Speaker 14: Literally, I mean it.
• 38:07
  Speaker 19: They fought for their lives, for their very last breath,
• 38:10
  Speaker 19: and this man had no fighting it. They fought hard
• 38:13
  Speaker 19: all the way to the end, and he gave up
• 38:15
  Speaker 19: within an hour of being given an opportunity to quit
• 38:18
  Speaker 19: on these kids.
• 38:19
  Speaker 14: Did you on November thirteenth, twenty twenty two, we entered
• 38:25
  Speaker 14: the residents at one one two two King Road in Moscow, Idaho,
• 38:29
  Speaker 14: with the intent to commit the fallony crime of murder.
• 38:32
  Speaker 16: Yes, did you.
• 38:37
  Speaker 14: On November thirteenth, twenty twenty two in Leaytah County, State
• 38:42
  Speaker 14: of Idaho, kill and murder Madison Mogan a human being?
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: Yes?
• 38:47
  Speaker 14: And did you do that willfully and lawfully, deliberately and
• 38:50
  Speaker 14: with premeditation and melos a forethought?
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: Yes?
• 38:54
  Speaker 14: Did you, Honor about that same date in Moscow, Idaho,
• 38:58
  Speaker 14: kill and murder Kaylee Gonzalez a human being?
• 39:01
  Speaker 16: Yes?
• 39:02
  Speaker 14: And did you do that wilfully, unlawfully, deliberately and with
• 39:06
  Speaker 14: premeditation and malica forethought?
• 39:08
  Speaker 19: Yes?
• 39:10
  Speaker 14: And did you on that same date in Moscow, Idaho,
• 39:13
  Speaker 14: kill and murder Xana Kernodle a human being?
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: Yes?
• 39:17
  Speaker 14: And did you do that wilfully, unlawfully deliberately, with premeditation
• 39:20
  Speaker 14: and malica forethought?
• 39:22
  Speaker 16: Yes?
• 39:24
  Speaker 14: And then on we're about November thirteenth, twenty twenty two
• 39:28
  Speaker 14: again in Leaytok County, Idaho, did you kill and murder
• 39:32
  Speaker 14: Ethan Chapin a human being?
• 39:34
  Speaker 17: Yes?
• 39:35
  Speaker 14: Did you do that wilfully and lawfully deliberately, with premeditation
• 39:38
  Speaker 14: and malica forethought?
• 39:40
  Speaker 16: Yes?
• 39:40
  Speaker 14: With respect to count one burglary felony, how do you
• 39:43
  Speaker 14: plead mister Colberger guilty or not guilty? Guilty as to
• 39:48
  Speaker 14: count two murder in the first degree, the murder of
• 39:51
  Speaker 14: Madison Mogan. How do you plead guilty or not guilty
• 39:54
  Speaker 14: guilty as to count three for the murder of Kaylee Gonsalves.
• 39:58
  Speaker 14: How do you plead guilty You're not guilty guilty as
• 40:01
  Speaker 14: to count four? First degree murder of Xana Kernodle human being?
• 40:05
  Speaker 14: How do you plead guilty or not guilty guilty as
• 40:08
  Speaker 14: to count five? First degree murder of Ethan Chapin. How
• 40:11
  Speaker 14: do you plead guilty or not guilty?
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: Guilty?
• 40:14
  Speaker 7: Guys, we're showing you photos of the victims in this
• 40:18
  Speaker 7: case who are brutally murdered. From the beginning, we were
• 40:21
  Speaker 7: told they were murdered in their sleep.
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: That's not true, that is not true. Joining me, Susan Hendrix,
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: you know her well.
• 40:31
  Speaker 7: She's been with us all day long outside the courthouse.
• 40:35
  Speaker 7: She's the author of Down the Hill, My Descend into
• 40:37
  Speaker 7: the double murder in Delphi, and now she has latched
• 40:42
  Speaker 7: onto this case like nobody's business.
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: I want to welcome Susan Hendricks for being with us.
• 40:47
  Speaker 7: Susan, we found out now that Xana had come down
• 40:53
  Speaker 7: the stairs and she fought for her life.
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: She fought for her life. It's nothing like what we
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: were told to start.
• 41:02
  Speaker 29: With, absolutely, and when new details come out, they're just
• 41:06
  Speaker 29: more excruciating for the family. We have heard that maybe
• 41:10
  Speaker 29: she saw something heard something was getting of course the
• 41:12
  Speaker 29: door dash as you know, and then maybe he chased her.
• 41:17
  Speaker 29: You mentioned, and I thought this was key, that this
• 41:19
  Speaker 29: is all they had.
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: Was today.
• 41:20
  Speaker 29: I was in the courtroom and I could see it
• 41:23
  Speaker 29: Nancy building the tension. Kaylee's father, his knee was shaking.
• 41:26
  Speaker 29: He was to the right of me and his knee
• 41:28
  Speaker 29: was shaking, and I could tell he was going through
• 41:30
  Speaker 29: what he was going to say. So he's almost like practicing.
• 41:33
  Speaker 29: And it's all they had, and they gave it everything.
• 41:35
  Speaker 29: They've been wanting to say this for so long. Everything
• 41:39
  Speaker 29: that they wanted to say.
• 41:40
  Speaker 30: My sister Kayley and her best friend Maddie were not
• 41:43
  Speaker 30: yours to take.
• 41:44
  Speaker 8: You're a delusional, pathetic, hypochondriac loser.
• 41:49
  Speaker 24: Oh man, You're going to go to hell.
• 41:53
  Speaker 25: You're evil.
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: There's no place for you in heaven today.
• 41:57
  Speaker 7: You have no name.
• 41:59
  Speaker 14: Nobody cares about you.
• 42:00
  Speaker 7: You.
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: You're a joke, complete joke.
• 42:03
  Speaker 30: You'll be forgotten, discarded, used in e raced if you
• 42:07
  Speaker 30: hadn't attacked them in their sleep in the middle of
• 42:10
  Speaker 30: the night like a pedophile, Kaylee would have kicked your ass.
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: Thank you, Thank you.
• 42:22
  Speaker 7: The families of the four victims filing out of that courtroom.
• 42:26
  Speaker 7: Many people call it closure. Let me inform you there
• 42:31
  Speaker 7: is no such thing as closure when the.
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: Person you love the most is murdered.
• 42:39
  Speaker 14: All right, mister Colberger, you have an opportunity to make
• 42:42
  Speaker 14: a statement if you wish to.
• 42:43
  Speaker 16: I take it you are declining.
• 42:45
  Speaker 20: I respectfully decline.
• 42:47
  Speaker 14: I mind not able to come up with anything redeeming
• 42:49
  Speaker 14: about mister Coberger, because his grotesque acts of evil have
• 42:53
  Speaker 14: buried in hidden anything that might have been good or
• 42:56
  Speaker 14: intrinsically human about him. His actions have made him the
• 43:01
  Speaker 14: worst of the worst. Even in pleading guilty, is giving
• 43:06
  Speaker 14: nothing hinting of remorse or redemption, nothing suggesting even a
• 43:11
  Speaker 14: recognition or understanding, let alone regret for the pain that
• 43:15
  Speaker 14: he has caused. And therefore I will not attempt to
• 43:18
  Speaker 14: speak about him further other than to simply sentence him,
• 43:23
  Speaker 14: so that he is forever removed from civilized society. I
• 43:27
  Speaker 14: hereby sentence mister Coberger, as follows on count one Burglary
• 43:33
  Speaker 14: ten years fixed zero years indeterminate. Count two, first degree
• 43:38
  Speaker 14: murder of Madison Mogen, I sentence the defendant to a
• 43:42
  Speaker 14: fixed term of life imprisonment without the possibility of parole.
• 43:46
  Speaker 14: On count three, for first degree murder of Kaylee Gonsalves,
• 43:50
  Speaker 14: I sentenced the defendant to a fixed term of life
• 43:53
  Speaker 14: imprisonment without the possibility of parole. On count four, for
• 43:57
  Speaker 14: the first degree murder of Santa Kernola Well, I sentenced
• 44:01
  Speaker 14: the defendant to a fixed term of life imprisonment without
• 44:03
  Speaker 14: the possibility of parole. On count five, for the first
• 44:07
  Speaker 14: degree murder of Ethan Chapin, I sentenced the defendant to
• 44:10
  Speaker 14: a fixed term of life imprisonment without the possibility of parole.
• 44:14
  Speaker 14: The sentences on counts one, two, three, four, and five
• 44:17
  Speaker 14: shall run consecutively to one another.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: Xanna was everyone's best friend.
• 44:23
  Speaker 7: She knew how precious and special life was, yet her
• 44:27
  Speaker 7: story was cut short by an active evil.
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: They were two pieces of a whole, the perfect Yin
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: and yang.
• 44:35
  Speaker 9: Man.
• 44:36
  Speaker 7: He was their gift of life or purpose and our hope.
• 44:39
  Speaker 6: We were grow old without our only child.
• 44:49
  Speaker 7: Eerie leaked jail videos of Brian Coburger with bright red hands, red.
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: Red compared to the rest of his arm, bright red hands.
• 45:06
  Speaker 7: As American psycho type shirtless selfies emerged on his phone
• 45:14
  Speaker 7: and straight out to any Elisee joining us creator CEO
• 45:18
  Speaker 7: of tent to Life, Annie, thank you.
• 45:20
  Speaker 4: For being with us. Let's look at the Oh, look
• 45:23
  Speaker 4: at the hands.
• 45:24
  Speaker 7: We're looking at it right now. I don't know if
• 45:25
  Speaker 7: you can see it on your monitor. And here he
• 45:28
  Speaker 7: is obsessive, obsessively cleaning the cracks and the little line
• 45:35
  Speaker 7: that goes around the bottom of your shoe.
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: What he got it in muddy behind bars?
• 45:40
  Speaker 7: No, but he's recleaning and re cleaning his shoes and
• 45:46
  Speaker 7: looking around awkwardly, looks very much. You know, if this
• 45:51
  Speaker 7: is telling me something else is telling me that the
• 45:54
  Speaker 7: way he looked in sentencing and the.
• 45:56
  Speaker 4: Way he looked in court is how he really looked.
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: Kind of a blank dead stare.
• 46:04
  Speaker 7: Okay, first of all, I want to analyze everything I
• 46:09
  Speaker 7: can glean from this leaked video, and who leaked it
• 46:12
  Speaker 7: is anybody's guests, You know, jails are falling over themselves
• 46:15
  Speaker 7: to say it's not ours, it's not ours. Hey, it's
• 46:18
  Speaker 7: somebody's straight out to any at least any what do
• 46:22
  Speaker 7: you observe in the video.
• 46:25
  Speaker 31: I think it's so interesting because of course everybody is
• 46:28
  Speaker 31: glued to this trying to analyze it, because it's really
• 46:31
  Speaker 31: the first movements we have seen it for three years
• 46:34
  Speaker 31: of him.
• 46:35
  Speaker 21: And we know we've heard that he has OCD.
• 46:38
  Speaker 31: So he's carefully cleaning the shoe. But I think what
• 46:40
  Speaker 31: strikes everybody as odd is when he's done cleaning it,
• 46:43
  Speaker 31: he puts that tissue up on top of the cage
• 46:46
  Speaker 31: and he just stares there, very still, very intently, looking
• 46:50
  Speaker 31: above the monitor that's in that cage, and almost looks
• 46:53
  Speaker 31: as though he's just thinking or evaluating it.
• 46:57
  Speaker 21: And it's really eerie.
• 46:59
  Speaker 7: The video is infuriating victims' rights advocates who think about
• 47:05
  Speaker 7: the brutality and how these four beautiful young students were murdered.
• 47:11
  Speaker 4: And now he has what a penhouse sweet at.
• 47:14
  Speaker 7: The jail, he's got a huge bed by jail house
• 47:19
  Speaker 7: standards as opposed to a bunk. He has, look at this,
• 47:24
  Speaker 7: plenty of walking around room, shelfs, multiple pairs of shoes.
• 47:30
  Speaker 4: He's he's doing fine.
• 47:33
  Speaker 7: The Elite video has yet to be verified by authorities,
• 47:37
  Speaker 7: but now his selfies his freaky American psychotype selfies are emerging.
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: Listen.
• 47:45
  Speaker 32: Besides the chilling selfie he took giving the thumbs up
• 47:48
  Speaker 32: hours after murdering four university students, Coburger's cell phone is
• 47:52
  Speaker 32: filled with creepy selfies posing shirtless and flexing his muscles.
• 47:57
  Speaker 7: I've got to talk to Susan Hendrix joining us about
• 47:59
  Speaker 7: the creepy selfies, the shirtless selfies, new ones that have
• 48:04
  Speaker 7: just emerged.
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: Oh dear lord, I'm gonna have to report on them.
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: Just hold that.
• 48:10
  Speaker 24: What the hey?
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: What okay?
• 48:16
  Speaker 7: Tell me, Susan, tell me what this is and why
• 48:20
  Speaker 7: I'm having to look at Coburger without a shirt on,
• 48:23
  Speaker 7: flexing and staring into the camera.
• 48:26
  Speaker 4: Why is this happening?
• 48:28
  Speaker 21: Yeah, they are cringe worthy.
• 48:30
  Speaker 29: And for the company that look through his data hisself,
• 48:34
  Speaker 29: they found out that he does.
• 48:35
  Speaker 7: He actually have his pants pulled down toward his crotch
• 48:40
  Speaker 7: so I can see more of his belly button hair.
• 48:44
  Speaker 7: What you know, like in the Sports Illustrated magazine, you
• 48:47
  Speaker 7: know cover the swimsuit is pulled down just a tantalizing
• 48:53
  Speaker 7: bit too low.
• 48:54
  Speaker 4: Is that what he's doing?
• 48:56
  Speaker 21: Iw youw It's gross, It's cringe worthy.
• 49:00
  Speaker 29: I feel sorry for the families who have to look
• 49:01
  Speaker 29: at that, and I was looking at each picture getting
• 49:04
  Speaker 29: grossed out by the way, but kind of wondering what
• 49:06
  Speaker 29: is he thinking there?
• 49:07
  Speaker 21: He didn't send these to anyone there for himself. It
• 49:10
  Speaker 21: reminded me of American Psycho. That movie Just Loving Himself
• 49:16
  Speaker 21: is cringeworthy, disgusting. There he is flexing. It's perplexing seeing
• 49:21
  Speaker 21: all this evidence of what was on his phone.
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
• 49:32
  Speaker 7: Joining US forensics expert psychologist doctor Sherry Schwartz.
• 49:38
  Speaker 4: His obsession with American Psycho.
• 49:42
  Speaker 7: I don't get it, But can I talk to you
• 49:45
  Speaker 7: about his preening in front of the camera and flexing
• 49:48
  Speaker 7: and what it means.
• 49:49
  Speaker 4: It's like Monk.
• 49:50
  Speaker 7: Did you ever say Monk Monk only wore a certain
• 49:55
  Speaker 7: brilliant homicide investigator. He only wore one time of shirt
• 50:01
  Speaker 7: every day. I think it was a pale blue button down,
• 50:04
  Speaker 7: just like in this case. Occasionally Coburg will go crazy
• 50:07
  Speaker 7: and we're a white button down. But that said, they're
• 50:12
  Speaker 7: lined up behind him and some of the shots. What
• 50:17
  Speaker 7: is this revealing to you? Because the crime scene is
• 50:21
  Speaker 7: blood soaked, it looks like a Jackson Pollock. The closet
• 50:27
  Speaker 7: and the home where he takes these pictures, is like
• 50:31
  Speaker 7: bleached clean, and there's this freaky row of all blue
• 50:37
  Speaker 7: button down shirts behind him.
• 50:39
  Speaker 4: What is that, doctor Sherry.
• 50:42
  Speaker 33: I mean a part of it could be his fascination
• 50:46
  Speaker 33: with some level of fame, even if it is something
• 50:49
  Speaker 33: he'll keep internally to feel better about himself. That he's
• 50:53
  Speaker 33: just like Christian Vale in American Psycho, but he'll do
• 50:57
  Speaker 33: it better and not get caught. We know how that
• 51:00
  Speaker 33: worked out. These selfies are disturbing because we know that
• 51:04
  Speaker 33: they're not being sent to anyone. They would be disturbing
• 51:07
  Speaker 33: if they're being sent to someone, but in this case,
• 51:09
  Speaker 33: these are for him. And so it suggested to me
• 51:12
  Speaker 33: that he has some sort of internal dialogue going on
• 51:15
  Speaker 33: where he's fascinated with this idea of.
• 51:20
  Speaker 7: Got to Sherry, got to Sherry, got to Sherry. Wait wait,
• 51:23
  Speaker 7: I want you to look at the screen right now. Okay,
• 51:26
  Speaker 7: Susan Hendrix, he is saluting.
• 51:30
  Speaker 4: The camera. Now, is this particular shot this was taken
• 51:34
  Speaker 4: after the murders? Correct Susan Hendrix.
• 51:37
  Speaker 21: It absolutely was, and you see that on his knuckle
• 51:39
  Speaker 21: there the injury.
• 51:45
  Speaker 7: Brian Koberger is contesting his plea deal, renigging on some
• 51:50
  Speaker 7: of the.
• 51:51
  Speaker 4: Orders in exchange for life over the death penalty.
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: Can the case now go to trial.
• 51:58
  Speaker 7: It's my understanding to Dave Matt, Crime Story's investigative reporter,
• 52:03
  Speaker 7: that Coburger is bulking at paying for the victims earns
• 52:08
  Speaker 7: and other expenses.
• 52:10
  Speaker 12: Right exactly, Nancy.
• 52:12
  Speaker 24: The shocking part of it is that in that plea deal,
• 52:15
  Speaker 24: all of this was already negotiated. All of this was
• 52:18
  Speaker 24: part of it so that he could avoid going to
• 52:20
  Speaker 24: trial and avoid the needle or the gun. And yet
• 52:24
  Speaker 24: now they're going back in and saying, well, we need
• 52:27
  Speaker 24: to send this to the mathematicians that accounting at the
• 52:31
  Speaker 24: States determine whether or not he's able to pay for it,
• 52:35
  Speaker 24: because he's in prison for the rest of his life,
• 52:39
  Speaker 24: and that actually is something that he's not allowed to do.
• 52:43
  Speaker 24: This plea bargain said he could not go back later
• 52:46
  Speaker 24: and appeal it. He couldn't contest any aspect of it,
• 52:50
  Speaker 24: and in so doing, Nancy, I wonder why have they
• 52:53
  Speaker 24: not already said, boom over, you're going to trial.
• 52:56
  Speaker 4: Well, the judge seems to agree with you.
• 52:58
  Speaker 17: Dave Matt, listen to Hippler, So you took advantage of
• 53:01
  Speaker 17: the plea agreement to get the benefit of the bargain
• 53:05
  Speaker 17: regarding the state's dropping of the death penalty.
• 53:09
  Speaker 14: Why should you not be held to the plea agreement
• 53:11
  Speaker 14: to pay the victims the costs in turning their children?
• 53:19
  Speaker 7: I mean, for Pete's sake, does Judge Hippler have to
• 53:22
  Speaker 7: feed the prosecution with a silver spoon? Here's your way
• 53:27
  Speaker 7: out of this disastrous plea deal out of all of
• 53:31
  Speaker 7: your lies and your secret deals. Coburger is contesting restitution
• 53:38
  Speaker 7: that was part of the deal.
• 53:41
  Speaker 4: So deal is off. I mean, can the judge make
• 53:45
  Speaker 4: it any more clear?
• 53:46
  Speaker 17: Listen to Hippler, what's the point of the plea agreement
• 53:50
  Speaker 17: on restitution if the defense is able to argue against
• 53:54
  Speaker 17: the restitution called for in the plea agreement itself?
• 53:57
  Speaker 4: And it's not an issue? Is it to Annie?
• 54:00
  Speaker 7: At least joining us from seriously Annie, he's got at
• 54:04
  Speaker 7: least a five figure amount of money in his commissary account.
• 54:11
  Speaker 31: It's unbelievable, first and foremost, the fact that people are
• 54:15
  Speaker 31: sending an admitted quadruple murderer tens of thousands of dollars.
• 54:20
  Speaker 31: Then for him to be contesting payment the restitution that
• 54:23
  Speaker 31: is outlined. And I'm sorry, but three thousand dollars for
• 54:27
  Speaker 31: the earns is that the going rate these.
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: Days for a life?
• 54:30
  Speaker 21: It's just if he's afforded.
• 54:31
  Speaker 31: These comforts of ramen, toilet trees, different treats with his commissary,
• 54:36
  Speaker 31: why should he get more comforts than the victims were
• 54:40
  Speaker 31: ever afforded.
• 54:41
  Speaker 7: Straight out to Christy and Steve Gonsalves joining us, the
• 54:47
  Speaker 7: fact that Coburger is contesting issues within the plea deal,
• 54:55
  Speaker 7: that's not the banner the important part of this. We
• 54:59
  Speaker 7: know he's contesting paying restitution. Could that and resind renig
• 55:08
  Speaker 7: the plea deal? Because if he is backing out of
• 55:12
  Speaker 7: conditions of the plea deal, then the deal is off.
• 55:16
  Speaker 7: Have you considered this could take the case to trial.
• 55:20
  Speaker 7: If Coburger himself is refusing to pay restitution as ordered
• 55:24
  Speaker 7: in the plea deal.
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: I would love for that to happen.
• 55:27
  Speaker 5: But I feel like it's all just games and none
• 55:30
  Speaker 5: of it is taken serious, Like, oh, he doesn't want
• 55:32
  Speaker 5: to pay his restitution.
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: Slap slap, slap.
• 55:35
  Speaker 5: You can't do that, pay your restitution, move on.
• 55:39
  Speaker 4: Well, this is what it boils down to.
• 55:40
  Speaker 7: Steve.
• 55:42
  Speaker 4: Let's look at this, so I take a play deal
• 55:45
  Speaker 4: twenty to serve, all right, and the defendant thing goes, yeah,
• 55:50
  Speaker 4: I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to
• 55:53
  Speaker 4: do twenty.
• 55:54
  Speaker 7: Well, then the deal is off. Pay your restitution is
• 55:59
  Speaker 7: an important part of that deal. And if Coburger contests it, fine,
• 56:04
  Speaker 7: I'd be mad if he didn't. Now, let's go to trial.
• 56:07
  Speaker 7: That is possible. He's nigging on the deal.
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: That's on him.
• 56:13
  Speaker 7: So what you'd have to do, what we would have
• 56:15
  Speaker 7: to do, is get Thompson off this case. He can't
• 56:18
  Speaker 7: try this case. Someone else, an independent prosecutor, would have
• 56:23
  Speaker 7: to try it, which.
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: Would be great.
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: I would love to see that.
• 56:28
  Speaker 34: This guy has been trying to control the narrative, you know,
• 56:31
  Speaker 34: pKa from the very beginning the mini he even got
• 56:33
  Speaker 34: in prison, he started writing up complaints and started doing
• 56:36
  Speaker 34: formalities and Saytan, you're gonna transfer me, You're gonna do this,
• 56:39
  Speaker 34: You're gonna do that. We got to just put our
• 56:41
  Speaker 34: foot down to these kind of psychopath killers and stop
• 56:44
  Speaker 34: entertaining them and stop treating them with baby gloves. It's
• 56:47
  Speaker 34: just it's just disgusting, and we're doing it all the
• 56:52
  Speaker 34: way up. Three years later joining.
• 56:55
  Speaker 7: Us tonight, Christy and Steve Gonsolve, thank you, thank you
• 57:00
  Speaker 7: for being with us. I know that every time you
• 57:02
  Speaker 7: have to talk about this, it just brings it all
• 57:05
  Speaker 7: up again. If you could have your wish, which of
• 57:10
  Speaker 7: course would be to have Kelly back, what is your wish, Christy?
• 57:17
  Speaker 5: The wish of wanting Keay back is obviously that that's
• 57:19
  Speaker 5: not possible. So my only other wish would be for
• 57:23
  Speaker 5: him to hurry up and take a sauce breath. Him
• 57:28
  Speaker 5: being dead would be great.
• 57:29
  Speaker 34: I will try to make something positive out of it
• 57:31
  Speaker 34: as much as you possibly can. And I feel like
• 57:33
  Speaker 34: that's what me, O, Livy and the family's doing is
• 57:35
  Speaker 34: we're trying to put some actions we're trying to put
• 57:37
  Speaker 34: We're trying to rally around anyone who we see something
• 57:40
  Speaker 34: disgusting and puts their foot down and says, all right,
• 57:43
  Speaker 34: I've had enough. I think that's that's the best we
• 57:47
  Speaker 34: can do. And if we can take this murder and
• 57:50
  Speaker 34: all the people's attention on it and say, hey, there's
• 57:52
  Speaker 34: no point of having red flags if we're not doing
• 57:54
  Speaker 34: something about it. And we see all these killers, and
• 57:58
  Speaker 34: we look back at their past behaviors and there's all
• 58:01
  Speaker 34: these red black but just no not enough action behind them.
• 58:05
  Speaker 34: People just dodging the bullets, just saying we didn't know
• 58:09
  Speaker 34: he was a normal person.
• 58:10
  Speaker 19: No, you did know.
• 58:11
  Speaker 34: There was things there. There was girls making complaints all
• 58:14
  Speaker 34: around this individual, over and over, and you just refuse
• 58:16
  Speaker 34: to listen to them. You just refuse to do something
• 58:19
  Speaker 34: when they were crying out for help. And it's happening
• 58:22
  Speaker 34: all the way to today. We're going to loose tens
• 58:24
  Speaker 34: of thousand dollars because the prosecutor refused to help us.
• 58:28
  Speaker 34: If he couldn't do it, he didn't, whatever the reason
• 58:30
  Speaker 34: he failed us.
• 58:31
  Speaker 7: There could be a way around this deal with the devil?
• 58:37
  Speaker 7: But now will it happen? I am begging the FEDS
• 58:42
  Speaker 7: to intervene. I am begging a court to investigate this
• 58:47
  Speaker 7: and appoint an independent prosecutor. How can we stand by
• 58:53
  Speaker 7: and hear? Are these families.
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: Pain and do nothing? The current US Attorney for the
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: Idaho District is Bart M.
• 59:04
  Speaker 4: Davis. Repeat, Bart M. Davis.
• 59:08
  Speaker 7: The number two zero eight three three four one two
• 59:12
  Speaker 7: one one two zero eight three three four one two
• 59:17
  Speaker 7: one one. You have the knowledge, use it? Is there
• 59:23
  Speaker 7: a way out of this deal with the devil? The
• 59:27
  Speaker 7: local prosecutor struck with Brian Coburger. Can we get Coburger
• 59:32
  Speaker 7: to trial? Now we remember an American hero Border Patrol Agent,
• 59:38
  Speaker 7: Freddie or Tease, US Department Homeland Security, killed in the
• 59:42
  Speaker 7: line of duty after thirteen years serving and protecting, leaving
• 59:47
  Speaker 7: behind his grieving mother. American hero Patrol Agent Freddie or Tease.
• 59:55
  Speaker 7: Thank you to our guest tonight, but especially to you
• 59:58
  Speaker 7: for being with us. Nancy Gray signing off for tonight.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 7: I'll see you tomorrow night, and until then, good night friend,
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 7: m HM.