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Bears for Breakfast: Bears-Packers Week 5 Preview · 2nd City Gridiron

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[SPEAKER_00]: What's up, everybody?
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[SPEAKER_00]: We are live welcome to another edition of Bears for breakfast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm Jacob and Fonte alongside Jacob White.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we are gonna be breaking down just a whole bunch of different things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the bears are, since it's been two weeks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, well, today's a quick catch up here.
0:24
[SPEAKER_00]: The bears were able to get the win.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They were able to get the job done against the New York Jets.
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[SPEAKER_00]: last week, and now they're looking at the opportunity to go four and one with a game with a victory potentially here this Sunday over the Green Bay Packers.
0:37
[SPEAKER_00]: So this is a bizarre start to the year for the Packers.
0:43
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we're going to talk about it obviously, but this is it really feels like something's up with this Green Bay team for sure.
0:51
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's just a lack of bodies.
0:55
[SPEAKER_01]: I said it all throughout the preseason process where I just thought this was clearly on paper the worst roster.
1:00
[SPEAKER_01]: They had had especially with the Parsons injury.
1:03
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think since then, there was a lot of rumors, maybe Micah would be back for this game now, it's sounding like, oh, maybe it'll be in to November.
1:12
[SPEAKER_01]: And at this point, if they're not competitive, why Russian back at all, right?
1:15
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I think it is just, it's clearly the biggest roster disadvantage
1:21
[SPEAKER_01]: I think almost certainly the biggest coaching disadvantage I have been vocal that I do think Matt and the floor is better than some people think, but I mean clearly the bearers have never had even a slightly better coach at this point it looks like Ben Johnson is clearly a top.
1:36
[SPEAKER_01]: If for sure five maybe top three coaching the NFL.
1:39
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I think that's definitely reasonable to say at this point, especially when you factor in everything that he did as a, you know, the offensive coordinator for the lions, you know, that offensive play calling capability does factor into the conversation and, you know, it kind of gives them at least in my opinion, a head start over some of the, you know, some of the other newer head coaches around the league.
2:00
[SPEAKER_00]: So,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, things are looking good though.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think when you if you can go to a no with Tyson Bayjan and case keyna measure quarterbacks and, you know, back to back games, uh, that certainly says a lot about your abilities as a coach and, you know, all things considered, uh, solid win against the jets last week, uh, all things considered, uh, it was,
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's an interesting game for sure.
2:24
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I do think the jets kind of beat themselves at times, but the bears were pretty consistently the better team on both sides of the ball.
2:32
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the defense, they completely shut the jets down through the air, and that offence, that brown game, in particular, was phenomenal.
2:42
[SPEAKER_00]: And it was really a time possession thing that really allowed the bears to pick up that win there.
2:50
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I'm sure people have talked about it to death.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, especially here at the Second City Grid Iron Channel, we have a lot of different reviews and stuff like that.
3:00
[SPEAKER_00]: But it just felt good to have a true win where it's like, all right, the bears are the better team on both sides, the ball pretty decisively.
3:11
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we need into this later, but I'm very curious to see how the defense looks on the road at Lambo.
3:17
[SPEAKER_01]: They've been, they have a look at, look, excellence.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Against a variety of teams, sure.
3:22
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like the broken needles.
3:24
[SPEAKER_01]: It's genus Beth in the jets.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's, you know, the Vikings in a monsoon.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But at the end of the day, this is the NFL.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's not like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: We expect some regression, but at this point, I think it's unlikely they were grass to be perhaps the worst defense in the NFL, which is something we were saying after week one after the Panthers game.
3:41
[SPEAKER_01]: We said, yeah, maybe they do have to score 59 points every game to be better.
3:45
[SPEAKER_01]: But at this point, it's, yeah, I don't think they're going to be a defense that's regularly challenging teams to score 10.
3:51
[SPEAKER_01]: But man, if they can hold opponents just to 20 or less, and you get killed, rooms back, you have Ben Johnson, who's seemingly can put up 20 plus points with any quarterback.
4:00
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a recipe for success.
4:02
[SPEAKER_01]: Certainly now, and even into the postseason, something I did not think that would be possible.
4:09
[SPEAKER_01]: It's wild to say, but I think a deep playoff run is back on the table because the defense looks better than we expected.
4:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I said, probably not top 10, but at this point, you're looking at what is probably at worst, a lead average defense, which parenthesis offense is certainly recipe for success.
4:27
[SPEAKER_00]: 100% man and I feel like it's a whole thing going into the season.
4:31
[SPEAKER_00]: I felt like it's this offense is probably going to be quite good.
4:35
[SPEAKER_00]: And if this defense can be even capable, I mean, just like again, like you said, league average, there's a very high ceiling for this team.
4:44
[SPEAKER_00]: And the defense has been above average for sure to start the year.
4:48
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll see how things progress as the year goes along.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they've got some pretty tough opponents coming up and, you know,
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[SPEAKER_00]: the pieces were starting to see it looked like they're there.
4:59
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean obviously they're still so much in the season left to play but very encouraging in that regard and as we as we say way into the injury report I will say unlike other teams the bears defenses they're going to get healthier right yeah they're at some point going to get some our turner back maybe
5:15
[SPEAKER_01]: maybe this week, I don't think he's been officially rolled out of holidays if I have that incorrect.
5:21
[SPEAKER_01]: If you have the injury port in front of you, but he'll be back at some point in color Gordon could be back as soon as this week.
5:26
[SPEAKER_01]: You have the rookie case on Elliott could be back soon.
5:29
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, again, unlike other teams where the injuries are stacking up, there's defense actually looks be getting healthier, what we getting some pieces back here soon.
5:37
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, you have a Kyler Gordon, Noah Sewell, Schermar Turner, they're all in that, in that published 21 day practice window.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Every single one of them were questionable, or listed as questionable.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They were all full participants in Friday's practice.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Caleb Williams was also listed as questionable.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He didn't practice on Wednesday or Thursday.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know, we have the same opinion on it.
6:00
[SPEAKER_00]: I just wanted to bring that up here.
6:03
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, listed as questionable going into this match,
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[SPEAKER_00]: neither of us are anticipating that Caleb's going to play in this one, but that does vote well for next week's matchup against Atlanta though.
6:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I think that's, it seems very likely you would be back by then because if he were to miss the land a game, that would have been forestry games who would have been out.
6:23
[SPEAKER_01]: I believe, which means then you're saying, okay, why do you put them on short term IR?
6:28
[SPEAKER_01]: And that was the whole thesis, the fact that they didn't put them on IR showed that they thought he'd be back within four weeks, and he certainly was training that way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, the one thing I think is a little bit interesting is that they did list him questionable and not doubtful.
6:43
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, usually you see like the MP limited a guy like him you'd expect out full.
6:47
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, I think when it comes down to to the like the the healthy scratches or just in general, like the inactive to get down to your 46 rostron game day.
6:55
[SPEAKER_01]: I do expect him to be one of those guys.
6:58
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, maybe there's just some games, you know, some just like gamesmanship where it's like we're just going to listen possible.
7:03
[SPEAKER_01]: Like
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[SPEAKER_01]: mess with your head, but yeah, we're both of the same opinion, we do not expect teams to play.
7:09
[SPEAKER_01]: I think if this felt like a game that they needed to win, like let's say they were one and three, let's say that things did not go well with the back of quarterbacks, maybe they rushed back out there, but not that you ever go into a game saying we're fine with losing this game, but if they do lose this game, this was not one of the games we thought at the beginning of the season, they needed to win.
7:26
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so it should they lose your still looking free into with him coming back.
7:31
[SPEAKER_01]: So there's really to me no reason to rush this, especially I'm not a doctor, but these kind of injuries can be can be re-aggravated, right?
7:39
[SPEAKER_01]: This is certainly just not a spot I want to take with them this week.
7:43
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, particularly, you know, this early in the season and a game where like you said, I mean, this is it's going to be nice to win for sure, but I feel like the general consensus, at least within the bears kind of community is that the bears would probably split.
8:02
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, with the Packers and, you know, with this game being at Lambo Field naturally, it did feel like, you know, the Packers have the advantage in this.
8:11
[SPEAKER_00]: And as we're recording here, actually, I did get there's the notification.
8:15
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, Tom Pelacero just tweeted, yeah, Caleb Williams has resumed throwing, but he's still working his way back to running full speed as he inches close sort of returning from his hamstring injury.
8:26
[SPEAKER_00]: Tyson Bayesian starts Sunday at Green Bay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's pretty, you know,
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[SPEAKER_00]: to be expected, honestly, and that does play into, all right, we can expect Caleb to play against Atlanta, which,
8:41
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's it's crazy the last two weeks how things have magically turned around for that Falcon Steam.
8:47
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you're looking at a team that looked like genuinely one of the worst in the entire NFL through those first two weeks.
8:52
[SPEAKER_00]: And now, you know, they substitute, you know, Michael Panics coming in back, healthy at quarterback and suddenly that offense is phenomenal.
8:59
[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know, that I don't know your thoughts on it, but that's a match of that.
9:05
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I know, you know, it plays in front of you.
9:07
[SPEAKER_00]: You've got the Packers ahead of us, but I'm looking at the Falcons, I'm like, man.
9:11
[SPEAKER_00]: like that that was one that I anticipated the bears would win going into this game now I'm like Atlanta might keep a close honestly.
9:18
[SPEAKER_01]: They might keep a close.
9:19
[SPEAKER_01]: I still think this is a team that they won against what's not viewed as a great Saint's team of what certainly viewed as not a good Packers team.
9:29
[SPEAKER_01]: We have to see them.
9:30
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I guess I argued the same thing about the bears were like what's their great win this season.
9:34
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it's the heels, but again, I mean, this is a team that is just like spiraling.
9:39
[SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, obviously we'll get to that, you know, next week, one note I did have on the commenter that talked about bears Ben Johnson's two and five record, and I see North teams.
9:52
[SPEAKER_01]: What?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't have to play the small sample size game.
9:56
[SPEAKER_01]: It is somewhat of a small sample size.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would also note that four of the five games that he lost were one square games.
10:03
[SPEAKER_01]: He lost that Vikings game by three.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, the blow it against the Lions last year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Lose by touchdown at Packers last year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Three points, Lions, and then the awful Vikings game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, a lot of these ones for games, you know, this is some that he preaches about, I think Ben Johnson actually thinks that one screen is maybe not as variable as the public does, but it's not like he's two and five and like a lot of those were blowouts.
10:26
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of go either way games, so early in his tenure.
10:30
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm not going to, I'm not buying into that narrative that Ben Johnson is like,
10:36
[SPEAKER_01]: uh you know like is a show of himself when he plays against NSC Nord teams.
10:40
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not there yet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think it's too early to rule it out one way or the other that he's automatically going to collapse against the NSC Nord.
10:48
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean it's been one year and you know the one extra game that he has played so far has been
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, literal rainstorm and that also doesn't keep in mind to the, you know, the, and the NFC wildcard game last year with the bears were able to be the Packers in the playoffs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's another thing to worth keeping in mind.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I mean, all things considered, I mean, yeah, the NFC North record wasn't amazing last year, but there are a lot of other factors that play into reasons to be optimistic in that regard.
11:20
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, we'll just have to wait and see, but you know, last little touch on the Bears injury report here before we move over to the Packers.
11:29
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Kyleman on guy is out.
11:31
[SPEAKER_00]: I listened with a thumb and toe injury.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't practice one state Thursday or Friday.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Kishan Elliott like you mentioned he's out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A couple guys didn't play or didn't practice on Wednesday, but end up ramping their way up to limited and then a full participation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you've got a couple guys Jonah Jackson, Cam Lewis, Deondris with
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[SPEAKER_00]: Joe Tudy, Darnell Wright, all those guys didn't practice on Wednesday, but they're now not even listed with injury designation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's a lot of different, you know, again, you look at that, you know,
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[SPEAKER_00]: from the offensive perspective, if you're out there like what 80 plays against the jets, you're getting beat up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, realistically, it makes sense that you're a little banged up after being on the field for that long.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So all things considered though, no injury designation for any of those guys, pretty confident about that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But as we move to the Packers, so that they didn't have a tweet graphic,
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[SPEAKER_00]: to make things easy for me to read so bear with me here because I'm going on their website and looking through a chart.
12:38
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, if you scroll down, there's a chart that's a little bit more helpful.
12:42
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, this is okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So as we're looking, all right, Savion Williams is out, he's currently on the engine reserve, the wide receiver who's a rookie last year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Chris Brooks running back is out, so then you're looking at the combination of
13:01
[SPEAKER_00]: Caleb Johnson and Marsh on Lloyd at running back and neither of them have been particularly extremely effective.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That packers run game in general, it's just been a major weakness, but other injuries, Jacob Monk, interior offensive lineman with center guard versatility listed as doubtful.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Aaron Banks, one of their starting guards listed as doubtful, and then you have a couple
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[SPEAKER_00]: Jager Burton, interior offensive linemen, and Anthony Campbell defensive tackle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So those are the only ones with injury designations going into this one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We can talk about though.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that packers team in general is pretty banged up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like we've talked about, they're missing a lot of key contributors on both lives the ball.
13:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, they literally brought Lincoln, Tomlinson, and Kevin Z. Lair off the street to fill their guard spots.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, these were guys.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Z. Lair was a high level player five, you know, before COVID, you know, and then Lincoln, Tomlinson, was kind of always like a league average guy at best.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So these guys are certain in the twilight of their careers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean,
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[SPEAKER_01]: And this is why like if you pull up there the if you look at the rushing yards per game for packers fifty eight rushing Arts is it's 16 yards per game worse than the next best team usually when you look at these rankings It's so the next team is two yards more than you fire.
14:30
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean there just it was worth I think last week They were having forty something.
14:33
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean
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[SPEAKER_01]: When you are this one dimensional, it's very easy to gain a plan against you.
14:40
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
14:40
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think you're going to see Dennis Allen is going to continue to bring the pressure.
14:43
[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to run a lot of blitzes because they're just not.
14:46
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is not been a bearish defense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's been a very good against the run.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you can maybe make an argument that Packers would have some additional success against this bearish front.
14:55
[SPEAKER_01]: However, I mean, like I said, I mean, they're struggling to get 50 yards a game on the ground.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just
15:02
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, especially as you are inserting more pieces, this has been a line that has been, I mean, they probably need the NFL.
15:09
[SPEAKER_01]: I would guess in like unique combinations of five offensive line starters.
15:13
[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of a line play is like, is that is when it can can jails and you get some like continuity, right?
15:21
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's just, it's gonna be very tough.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Bearers should expect a very pass heavy game plan from the Packers the Sunday.
15:29
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I think that plays into the bear's strengths pretty well, honestly, where the run defense hasn't been phenomenal, you know, I have the numbers up here so far this year.
15:46
[SPEAKER_00]: best run defense in the NFL, the 72.4 grade, it's definitely their biggest weakness where, you know, they're passing, their past defense is fourth with a 79.1 grade and then Green Bay obviously, they've struggled significantly, 31st out of 32 teams with a 65.8 grade on the grounds offensively.
16:06
[SPEAKER_00]: So that run that ground game, especially with Josh
16:15
[SPEAKER_00]: 29th best and third worst it's the same thing essentially they're 29th out of 32 yeah 29th out of 32 so.
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[SPEAKER_00]: the, not sure they have fourth worst, fourth worst in the NFL.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So thanks to bears.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I wasn't going to occur.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I wasn't going to correct you, but yeah, to, you know, to mention that here in the YouTube chat, but yeah, it's a bottom five, bottom five run defense that Chicago has and at the same time, it's also a bottom five.
16:46
[SPEAKER_00]: uh, ground game that the Packers have.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it really is weak this meets weakness, but I do feel like, you know, if the Packers are going to pass that plays in Chicago's favor significantly, uh,
16:59
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, all things considered, I know we talked about Caleb Williams being questionable.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be Tyson, Bayesian.
17:04
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm curious, going off of, going off a last week where I put together solid performance, you had those, a couple of interceptions that didn't count ultimately the penalties that were in the mix there and people have been talking about that.
17:18
[SPEAKER_00]: But all things considered not that bad from Bayesian last week.
17:23
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah agreed.
17:24
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he saw there's a little bit more you can do with him.
17:28
[SPEAKER_01]: He's I would not consider him like a mobile quarterback, but he can move in the pocket and get out a little bit.
17:33
[SPEAKER_01]: He can, you know, runs a bootleg stuff that tastes cannot do.
17:37
[SPEAKER_01]: So he does kind of give you a little bit more dimensionality to your offense.
17:41
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, the weakness was very much on display though with his arm strength.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there is just he has some good kind of he's really good touch on his passes, but I mean, it's going to be very difficult for him to throw into type windows or it's going to be a lot of, there's a lot of balls you kind of, because some of the ones are getting picked off because of his arm strength right like he can't quite get the ball out there lead his receivers well enough.
18:04
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's that's really the one knock I have on him.
18:06
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought the actually was mostly fine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, clearly the command of the offense.
18:11
[SPEAKER_01]: was very strong, right?
18:12
[SPEAKER_01]: It seemed like for the most part he was getting the ball where Ben Johnson wanted it to be.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just, they are quite limited by his arm.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's why he was a division two quarterback.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's why he went undrafted.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like he just doesn't have,
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[SPEAKER_01]: conventional NFL arm strength, but certainly Ben Johnson is going to be the kind of guy that can maximize it.
18:32
[SPEAKER_01]: So to answer kind of the like unspoken question of like is this the right decision like a lot of fans are saying oh like maybe case looked a little bit better I think it's the right decision as Ben said there's a reason that they came into the season with him as their quarterback too.
18:46
[SPEAKER_01]: And there's there's a reason they're going to stay with him as their quarterback too.
18:50
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, all things considered like I'm with you in that there are obviously, you know, the physical limitations were made he doesn't have the, you know, phenomenal arm to the, you know, to the extent of Caleb Williams although, you know, who does necessarily I mean that's something you could talk about from a, you know,
19:09
[SPEAKER_00]: probably you can count on one hand.
19:11
[SPEAKER_00]: The amount of people that have the arm town that Caleb Williams does that are currently in the NFL, but still there are a couple instances where you can see it's like, all right, there's not significant zip behind these throws, the ability to, you know,
19:23
[SPEAKER_00]: because he can play on time.
19:24
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he has a good grasp of the offense.
19:27
[SPEAKER_00]: He knows when he needs to get the ball out.
19:29
[SPEAKER_00]: He's a good anticipation of all right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Before the receiver gets into their breaks, this is when I need to throw the ball and then by the time that the receiver is coming out of his transitions, then you know.
19:40
[SPEAKER_00]: The ball is going to be right there and be able to make the grab and, you know, he's going to be open.
19:44
[SPEAKER_00]: So he has a good understanding from the mental perspective.
19:47
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that that plays such a big role.
19:49
[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, I know that, you know, so many people, you know, myself included sometimes, you know, we're talking about, you know, evaluation of quarterback, we could be, uh,
20:02
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm trying to be the best way to put it, you know, you can get enamored with the raw arm strength, you can get enamored with the athleticism, you know, that's like I was like, you know, Anthony Richardson go in the top five because like he had a candid arm and was one of the most athletic quarterbacks to come out of the draft in recent years, but again, you know, there's there's a mechanical element to it, there's a mental aspect to it and in that regard, I mean, Beijing, you know, particularly from a mental perspective,
20:31
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that that's something in particular that he that's his strength is he's shown the ability to look past the first read you showed the ability to go through full-feel progressions and you know again to understand the timing of being like all right this is why I need to throw this ball here and this is why I need to get it out at this particular time so
20:53
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm excited to see who he can do against Green Bay, that's a defense that's been, you know, not particularly incredible.
21:00
[SPEAKER_00]: So far this year, and we mentioned, you know, like a Parsons just a lot, Edron Cooper got hurt.
21:06
[SPEAKER_00]: Still a lot of, you know, injuries in that group, but I wanted to touch on Kyle Manungai, so where he's not going to be playing, he was phenomenal in week four.
21:16
[SPEAKER_00]: DeAndres, what is going to be back in is the true bell cowback.
21:19
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, and I
21:22
[SPEAKER_01]: There it is.
21:23
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, there it is.
21:24
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what it is.
21:25
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't sneeze anywhere else in my apartment, but I sneeze in this particular seat, which is where I happen to record all my videos.
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[SPEAKER_00]: way too often.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I need to get like a vacuum or something around here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just uh, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what it is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's it's some sort of curse, I guess.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the only way I can describe it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not an allergy thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's some demon putting a curse on me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But anyway, thank you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you very least.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Mo and the YouTube chat for saying bless you in all caps.
21:59
[SPEAKER_00]: I very much appreciate that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, so back back to the the Packers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you're not looking at um,
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, who's their best player on defense now?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is it, is it, is it, Devonta Wyatt?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is it, you know, the shell of Jason Horgratt?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like it's, McKinney clearly is kind of boomer bus guy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, they just don't have the bodies.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They haven't had the bodies.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that'll vote very well for whoever is the run game, the running back, which we expect to be swift.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And obviously I'll touch that I'll touch on that in my segment.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Rochon Johnson gets though.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think he's anything spectacular.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's clearly a very, very good short yardage big, you know, goal line back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's very, very strong, very has a very, you know, like head down running style.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But is he a guy that they can count on for,
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[SPEAKER_01]: 10, 12, 14 carries, because that's what I think Ben wants doing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what we've seen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When he has his two guys healthy, he wants to have them splitting snaps somewhere in the 55, maybe to 45 range.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So do we see, you know, just completely take over by Swift?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm actually less confident that this happens, given that they went full on, you know, 30 carries from an young guy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now he's hurt, right?
23:18
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe that's not, if you can't pinpoint that as like the sole reason that he's dealing with with the toe and whatever
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[SPEAKER_01]: it certainly doesn't help when you are given a guy that much work and so maybe then is thinking I don't want to risk that kind of injury to my other contributors.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe we do see more Roshawn.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you have an opinion on what that split might look like.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I mean ultimately I do think that it's going to it's going to lean pretty heavily on Swift.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It'll be, in my opinion, I think it'll be kind of similar what we saw in the second half of the game against the Jets except instead of Manongai taking a lot of those carries.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be swift and then you have Rochon taking a handful of those carries like he did against New York.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So to look at it, Rochon had four carries all in the second half.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He didn't have any carries in the first half.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And obviously, once the address we've had that fumble,
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[SPEAKER_00]: He didn't have a single touch of the football for the rest of the game, so I think it would be mostly swift though with Menongai out and you know, maybe you see You know, you see a little bit of Rochon here and there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if he's going to get to 10 carries, but maybe you could get to 7 or 8.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I chose 7 or 8, so I didn't have to say 6 or 7, which I just did, so I just totally defeated the purpose and now I
24:42
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
24:43
[SPEAKER_00]: I've gotten better at not doing the hands at any instance of that being mentioned in everyday conversation, but I'm not perfect at it.
24:52
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, I was I was home last weekend.
24:54
[SPEAKER_01]: That was part of the reason we didn't record and in Fonte was larping as a college student.
25:00
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, click, click, close the yearbook, bro.
25:03
[SPEAKER_01]: But um,
25:05
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, you know, I was back home.
25:06
[SPEAKER_01]: I've a lot of little siblings, you know, that 10, 10 year old I was doing the six, seven thing and he's like, Jacob, you know, it's not cool anymore.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I, it's, you know, the kids started it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's really, we are carrying the flame at this time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's up really, it was six, seven dies with the Jacob's.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So and perhaps perhaps that death will be soon.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm not, I'm not giving up just yet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll see, we are six, seven, we carry the flame.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You said care the flood by thought immediately went to that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I did that intentionally.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
25:42
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I appreciate it.
25:44
[SPEAKER_01]: If you know, you know.
25:45
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
25:47
[SPEAKER_00]: My favorite, my favorite video, a small tangent, like to come in like after that was last year.
25:53
[SPEAKER_00]: Someone made a.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we are Andrew Billings, it's like the exact same song, but it, you know, like a couple of tweaks here and there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, we are age of buildings.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, that was so good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, I don't remember how the lyrics went, but it was tremendous.
26:16
[SPEAKER_01]: But you know, speaking of stupid stuff on the internet, and this is how you're fault, the normies are starting to discover the like Kyle Menungai Chinese Empire edits.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like normal people are start stumbling up on those.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
26:30
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think you're to blame.
26:32
[SPEAKER_00]: I might be.
26:32
[SPEAKER_00]: I might be.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm playing some sort of role in that because I've definitely tweeted out one of those Chinese edits before for, you know, to be like, oh, this is what my TikTok algorithm looks like or something like that.
26:43
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's, you know, like, there's a Luther burden one that I saw, but Kyle Menongai, the, you know, the Chinese imperialist edits are there everywhere now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The Kyle Menongai big chunk of English.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It means
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how many of those people realize that I made that up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that that was you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, really, it's hard to God.
27:09
[SPEAKER_00]: It's hard to God.
27:09
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so I got to find, I got to find the tweet here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is very important.
27:14
[SPEAKER_01]: So we made it 25 minutes before going off top like we can do this.
27:17
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, it's like we're all right, you know, all things considered with the people aren't here to listen to us, talk about the bears.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a hundred of those shows.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
27:29
[SPEAKER_00]: November 10th, 2025, five, 41 PM Central Standard Time, I tweeted this out, I remember vividly, I was on my way to my wrestling class and I wanted to tweet something out because we have the thing or it's like, all right, you're there for two hours, you know, you put your phone in the locker, it's like, you're not, you're there to work.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I wanted to get something out there before I, you know, went silent for a couple hours.
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[SPEAKER_00]: from Jacob and Vonte 24 news in a recent interview of GQ magazine, which never happened, bears running back Kyle Menongai revealed that his favorite meme is Big Chungus.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a classic Menongai explained anytime I see that goofy rabbit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I get a big smile on my face.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Funny is hell.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I do remember this now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like this is like one of
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, credit we're credits do that's a that is a great great bit.
28:31
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's awesome.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Awesome.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The one thing I'm the most proud of with that is the fact that Dove Climb and picked it up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Dove Climb and picked it up and he tweeted it and he tagged GQ magazine in it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: is like, like, parenthesis via GQ, and it's like, there's no link to that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's no, that's via nothing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're taking me at my word.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's not made up.
28:57
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, I'm all for free speech, like whatever, I let like whatever filth comes onto my feet, proliferate.
29:04
[SPEAKER_01]: However, however, Dom is one of the very few people I have blocked on, I just can't do it, man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That is, yeah, I mean, just the whole,
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[SPEAKER_00]: aggregate thing and I don't know that I could go on and on about that about climate in particular or whoever runs that account I know there's like the conspiracy that the original of climate like sold his account to somebody else and their tweeting in his name or whatever which in that case get the bag I mean ever expected but at the same time you're also ruining the NFL journalism landscape every single day but anyway I don't know that's our little
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[SPEAKER_00]: It would only took us about 25 minutes to bring up Big Chungus in the show.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So all things considered I consider this an absolute win.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Is Big Chungus your wrestling name, your stage name?
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[SPEAKER_01]: No.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It could be though.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It probably should be.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
30:00
[SPEAKER_00]: I I need to include I feel like I have to include like just for the bit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I have to include some element of big chunkies into my wrestling character.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I've only had the one match, but you know, we'll see I'm back at it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm back training again.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So maybe if I if I get the chance to figure out what my finisher is going to be, uh, maybe I could.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, he's up with the big chunkies off the top row.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, I don't know what that's going to look like, but It's impossible.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The last thing I wanted to touch on before.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks for getting us back on track.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm trying.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The last thing I wanted to touch on before we get to our score predictions is
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[SPEAKER_01]: What I think what I'm actually most interested to see, which is bears cornerbacks versus the Packers, wide receivers.
30:52
[SPEAKER_01]: And specifically, Malik Mohammed, for a while, I was kind of brushing off a lot of his metrics and stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, oh, a small, simple size, like whatever he's playing, he's going up against dusty competition, whatever it is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we're now four weeks in, and as I'm sure you've seen, I mean, there's some stuff on Twitter that puts them up there analytically with like, Trent McDuffy and Christian Gonzalez.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, again, small sample size, maybe he hasn't been on the best guys.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You could probably poke holes in it, but like the data, the data that we have says that he is literally one of the best cornerbacks of the NFL right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do I expect that to regress?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, but I mean, man, if they can even get like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: a top 20, top 15 corner back out of this fourth round pick that they were just kind of speculatively.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that is how you build super cool contending teams.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When you can just get these elite players in the fourth round that you're paying them, I don't know, you know, they're paying my million dollars here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, this is, I mean, to me, this might, this might be one of Paul's finest picks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If not finest picks, value adjusted if he continues on this track.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I'm with you 100% and I mean, I look at, I mean, I look at the ramps obviously as you know that roster is you know pretty you know that in my opinion that's peak roster construction.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It hasn't all paned out on tape, I mean, you bring up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: like the late round picks where you know looking at some you know their roster so many contributors have come from you know round three or later where co-better was a third round pick fire and young was a third round pick I have it all pulled up so as reference Quentin Lake was a sixth round pick
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[SPEAKER_00]: Allerick Jackson, their starting left tackle was an undrafted free agent, Warren McClendon Jr., their new starting right tackle, fifth round, Kyron Williams, fifth round, and obviously Pook and Akuhua was a fifth round pick.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, so many key contributors you're getting late day two or day three in general.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If the bears can find that in Malik Muhammad, I agree that would be just that that might end up being Ryan Paul's best selection.
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[SPEAKER_00]: when you factor in the, you know, the value of where Muhammad was picked.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I did pull it up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right now, Muhammad is 12th in the NFL in P.F.N.
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[SPEAKER_00]: quarterback impact grading.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Some of it is, okay, you know, some cornerbacks have more, you know, ball production, but,
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[SPEAKER_00]: From a pure target perspective, he's allowed just a 43.5 passer rating.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the seventh lowest seventh best in the NFL.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I should, I should say, again, I should clarify after, you know, the, the, the miss hat earlier.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So out of 103 cornerbacks, out of 103 qualified cornerbacks, Malik Muhammad's 43.5 passer rating is the seventh lowest allowed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So only six cornerbacks have been more efficient and coverage based off of that metric.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One of them, again, you mentioned
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[SPEAKER_00]: looking at a couple other guys that he's a, he's above Christian Gonzalez in that regard, which is insane.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Travis Hunter actually pretty, you know, ranks pretty well in that regard.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's better than Patrick's or 10 and so far from, you know, analytically this year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, again, small sample size, like you said, but Muhammad's been absolutely phenomenal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, so again, my cat just loves the camera.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is the third time he's kind of wandered around.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the people who are listening to this on the podcast, uh, you're missing out on my wonderful cat just deciding to walk in front of the camera at all times for some reason.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm going to be, you know, I'm not going to be home for some of the days.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I need to get my little pets in while I still can.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, but yeah, I want to hear.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's get into our score predictions and then we'll take a quick break for the podcast folks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm thinking we both have the bears winning this one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm curious, you know, ultimately, how much do you think it's going to be?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, is it going to be close?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, how much do you factor in the lambo situation?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I'm curious.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess I'll give you the floor for that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, both, you know, we talked.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're both thinking Chicago for this match up, particularly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the way that I like to approach spots like this are really a lot of spots in life is like think of the range of outcomes, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think a lot of times people focus too much and like what do I think is the most likely thing to happen or whatever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that applies to some situations, but you also have to think about like the extremes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the way that I think about this is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The most likely outcome is probably what Vegas says, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're bears wind by a few points against close.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do I think the bears can dominate?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Can blow them out, I do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the bears could put up 30 or more and hold the packers to under 20.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do I think the packers can do that?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I do not.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I do not think the packers have the bodies offensively is particularly on the offensive line.
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[SPEAKER_01]: to put up that many points, especially with the bears how they like to play, control the ball, you know, time possession game.
35:52
[SPEAKER_01]: So to me, that is why I kind of lean bears win by, I think I have a 23, 17, what's interesting is the Packers are actually implied for 22 points, according to the betting lines, which
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think as possible, I just still struggled to see how, given the way the bears play, where they're going to limit the other teams, snaps and possessions, and given the really poor offensive line play, and given the bears improve defense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just kind of tough for me to see a path where the packers score much more than 20.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I have a 23, 17.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think you have maybe a little bit more of a gap.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So maybe you do see this as more of a clear blow.
36:32
[SPEAKER_01]: It's but.
36:34
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so and I do want to mention here in the YouTube chat at Pat Riley 1026 says why aren't the bears bigger favorites in Green Bay if Atlanta pounded the Packers 35 to 7 at Lambo.
36:44
[SPEAKER_00]: The bears are only one and a half point favorite.
36:46
[SPEAKER_00]: So, I mean, yeah, obviously, you do point to the fact that Falcons just utterly throttled the the Packers and that particular matchup and the bears are coming to this matchup with
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[SPEAKER_00]: highest voter confidence, but I mean at the same time to be favored as in a way team with a backup quarterback.
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[SPEAKER_00]: At the helm, I mean, that's something that has to be brought into consideration certainly as well as, you know, hey, this is a win in and in and of itself.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I know I have this game being a little bit more one sided towards the bears, not quite to the extent of the
37:32
[SPEAKER_00]: Jordan love, you know, could be able to score two touchdowns, but I also anticipate there's going to be an interception in the mix there.
37:38
[SPEAKER_00]: The completion percentage is up 60% and I know that, you know, bears fans, you know, we know firsthand being able to hear people talk about the completion percentage.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's not entirely indicative of how well a quarterback is playing or how poorly a quarterback is playing, but
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[SPEAKER_00]: In this particular case, it does show like, hey, there's some inefficiency here from the Packers offense and when you don't have that run game to rely on, I mean, that one dimensional defense becomes a lot easier to stop.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll go I'm going 24 17 27 14 here with the bears match and I think the offense is going to fair pretty well against a hobbled green bay defense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it'll be a pretty decisive victory.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe I could see it being pretty close through the first three quarters, but I could see the bears you know begin to create that separation in the fourth quarter and then be able to run the clock out so.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Would be nice though, would be nice to be able to come into Lambo and pick up that victory.
38:35
[SPEAKER_00]: What we're going to do now is for the podcast folk, we're going to take a quick break.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When we come back, we're going to dig into some each of our individual niche interests.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've got some 2027 NFL draft previews to dig into and Jacob's got some DFS cash lineups to dig into for this particular week.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So don't go anywhere.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We will be right back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we are back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome back to Bears for breakfast if you didn't go anywhere.
39:13
[SPEAKER_00]: Gracias.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm Jacob and Fonte alongside Jacob White.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Mind if I speak a little Espanyol this Saturday morning.
39:21
[SPEAKER_00]: But so this is this is the part of the show where we each, you know, have the floor to dig into our specific obsessions and just waffle on about it.
39:34
[SPEAKER_00]: So I always look forward to this part as well too, because it allows us to, you know, talk about some things that like we're truly, you know,
39:41
[SPEAKER_00]: like obviously you know we're passionate about the bears we're passionate about you know looking at these games but it's a good opportunity for us to get to our bag and with this segment I'm digging into my current top five quarterbacks in the 2027 NFL drafts and before bears fans you look at this and be like oh we're talking about the quarterbacks in the draft like to see think that you know is this a vote of confidence against Caleb it's like
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just that in these episodes, I've previewed defensive tackle defensive end linebacker and corner.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They don't necessarily need a safety.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I'll get into that group eventually, but I wanted to highlight the quarterbacks because there's been some change near the top of the guard in this class.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to get into it.
40:26
[SPEAKER_00]: So as of right now, my QB1 is still arch-maning out of Texas.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's by a much smaller gap than I had originally.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like there wasn't even a massive gap between him and Dante more to begin with, but to me, Dante more has kind of regressed this year in arch-maning has remained stagnant.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the way I look at it is arch, you know, comparing him to
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[SPEAKER_00]: past number one picks a quarterback.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've remained out of it going into the year.
40:54
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that his tape last year, it was better than what I saw from Camp Ward coming out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's, you know, coming out of college, but it wasn't as good as Fernando Mendoza coming out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, I still think there's a lot for him to improve upon post-nap from that, you know, a processing perspective, decision making, being careful with the ball.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The arm talent though is absolutely there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's a
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's shown, you know, good pre-sap recognition and good natural sense of timing behind his throws.
41:23
[SPEAKER_00]: Still a starting caliber prospect.
41:25
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think he's this, you know, blue chip prospect by any means that, you know, maybe his last name might indicate, you know, or lead some people to believe.
41:34
[SPEAKER_00]: And I certainly don't think that he's locked in as QB1 at this stage.
41:37
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's entirely possible that changes.
41:39
[SPEAKER_00]: But as of right now, that's where I'm at.
41:43
[SPEAKER_00]: Number two, number two is Austin Simmons out of the University of Missouri, and, you know, Jacob mentioned, I was down at Missouri, larping as a college student, relieving me glory days because I'm not happy with myself at this stage of my life, but
42:02
[SPEAKER_00]: I did go to the Mizzou Florida game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I, you know, phenomenal win from Mizzou to pick up the upset, you know, in homecoming, but Austin Simmons to me, you know, and I went back to go watch the all 22 of that game in particular Austin Simmons versus Florida's the best individual game I've watched of a quarter back so far this season in college football.
42:21
[SPEAKER_00]: You're looking at I mean, yeah, he's an experience.
42:23
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot, you know, you need to be worried about in the fact that we only started.
42:26
[SPEAKER_00]: I think there's like three games at Ole Miss before we got hurt and then Trinidad Chambers took over and, you know, you ride the hot hand Chambers played really, really well.
42:35
[SPEAKER_00]: So Simmons got bench there, but.
42:38
[SPEAKER_00]: Simmons being a lefty, you know, phenomenal, phenomenal arm, he was a relief pitcher at Ole Miss, you know, playing baseball there for a little bit, and you can see it in the velocity, the easy snap of his throws, the ability to hit throws into tight windows, that touched down the field is tremendous.
42:56
[SPEAKER_00]: Even if he's not a, you know, he's not quick to run, but he is a very good athlete.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he can scramble if needed and Mizzou utilizes a lot of, you know,
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[SPEAKER_00]: spring out, a lot of bootlegs, stuff like that, and he's capable of throwing on the move.
43:11
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to see a little bit more in terms of his pocket presence, and if the interior collapse is but man, Simmons, I think is just a phenomenal arm talent and is off to a really, really good start.
43:23
[SPEAKER_00]: Speaking of Trinidad, Chambles, he's my number three.
43:25
[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, you have the concerns about him being an older prospect, him not having tremendous size and taking him as long as it did to even start at Ferris State.
43:36
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was only, it was a one or two year starter at Ferris State.
43:41
[SPEAKER_00]: Excuse me.
43:42
[SPEAKER_00]: And then eventually started off as a backup last year at Ole Miss.
43:45
[SPEAKER_00]: But he's looked tremendous last year and he's looked even better so far this year.
43:48
[SPEAKER_00]: He's let Ole Miss to some really crucial wins.
43:52
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, just natural, good arm talent, the ability, I don't think it's as high as Simmons, but I do think that he's more consistent in terms of that, that post-snap process and capability, where you can see that he can go through his progressions and look off of the first read or, you know,
44:11
[SPEAKER_00]: Not just the high-low concepts, but the full field progressions as well, Chambless has shown improvement in that regard, too.
44:17
[SPEAKER_00]: So, good timing, really, really good athlete out of the consensus top quarterbacks in the class, you might be the most athletic of the bunch.
44:26
[SPEAKER_00]: So, Chambless, number three,
44:30
[SPEAKER_00]: Number four, I still have Dante more.
44:32
[SPEAKER_00]: He was my QB, he was actually my QB one going into the season, but he's dropped since ultimately, I think, just the, you know, the Poise hasn't looked as great the accuracy has been a little shaky.
44:44
[SPEAKER_00]: I think some of that comes down to the mechanics, the footwork of it all, you know, where he gets a little skiddish under pressure, you know, some of that,
44:53
[SPEAKER_00]: the follow-through with his way to the apex of his drop-back is not necessarily consistent so he's not getting all of his, he's not getting everything out of, you know, what's what is a very naturally good arm.
45:04
[SPEAKER_00]: He's a good athlete.
45:05
[SPEAKER_00]: He has good natural timing behind his throws, good natural accuracy, but maybe not the start that I anticipated.
45:12
[SPEAKER_00]: And then, like, QB5 right now.
45:15
[SPEAKER_00]: Dairy and Mensa out of Miami.
45:17
[SPEAKER_00]: So I recognize this is leaving out CJ Car and Droomestemaker.
45:21
[SPEAKER_00]: They're both very, very close in the mix there.
45:24
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't necessarily know if they're going to declare because both of them are registered sophomores.
45:28
[SPEAKER_00]: They have a lot of, you know, like they have that additional.
45:34
[SPEAKER_00]: eligibility, and the same goes with Austin Simmons.
45:36
[SPEAKER_00]: He's also a registered sophomore.
45:37
[SPEAKER_00]: There's no guarantee he's going to declare for this draft either, but I have men's ever so slightly.
45:42
[SPEAKER_00]: I loved what he's been able to put together every stop he's had.
45:45
[SPEAKER_00]: He's gotten better.
45:46
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, he's really good at two lane to start, you know, he moved over to Duke.
45:50
[SPEAKER_00]: He showed that he could handle the ACC workload and then making the switch over to Miami this year.
45:56
[SPEAKER_00]: He's shown that he can thrive in that regard too.
45:59
[SPEAKER_00]: Then, again, the accuracy, especially the intermediate gain, is just really impressive to me.
46:04
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, again, a natural throw where he doesn't have, you know, he's not the biggest quarterback in the world.
46:11
[SPEAKER_00]: He's a little bit skinny.
46:12
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to see him add a little bit more weight to his frame.
46:14
[SPEAKER_00]: And I want to see a little bit more consistency on the deep ball.
46:18
[SPEAKER_00]: But again, just natural touch in those intermediate throws, he has that ability to stretch the field, you know, beyond the, you know, beyond the first down marker and to be able to pick up a solid 10, 15 yards and chunks pretty consistent.
46:32
[SPEAKER_00]: Productive everywhere he's gone, it sees the field well, good arm, not maybe not in the lead arm, but it certainly a good arm for sure.
46:39
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's my little waffling.
46:41
[SPEAKER_00]: I know Jacob obviously, you know,
46:44
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, watch your fair share of CJ car, I know as well, but yeah, there you go.
46:49
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't even notice that I didn't even notice the Notre Dame, the Notre Dame sweater on today.
46:55
[SPEAKER_01]: I've got, I'm embarrassed to say how many days in a row of war this, but after one of their most recent be-downs of which there have been many be-downs.
47:06
[SPEAKER_01]: I went on the fanatics and bought a bunch of Notre Dame gear.
47:11
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess I should have expected this, but man, there are so many Notre Dame fans or alumni in Chicago.
47:17
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess it makes sense to the South Bend to Chicago pipeline.
47:22
[SPEAKER_01]: But I mean, man, you walk around everywhere.
47:25
[SPEAKER_01]: You see Notre Dame gear.
47:26
[SPEAKER_01]: So I try to larp as a Notre Dame graduate.
47:29
[SPEAKER_01]: I did not go there.
47:31
[SPEAKER_01]: I should have not get in because I didn't apply because I said this is a waste of my time and money.
47:35
[SPEAKER_01]: No, of course.
47:37
[SPEAKER_01]: Very good school.
47:39
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I went to a slightly more prestigious school in Indiana.
47:43
[SPEAKER_01]: So I mean, I respect that.
47:47
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I shut out, shut out, well, best college.
47:49
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, not at well.
47:50
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah.
47:50
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, besides the CJ car snub, which like I get it because he, and I suspect this is part of the knock on him is he's not the most physically gifted quarterback.
48:00
[SPEAKER_01]: He can move a little bit, but I would not at all call him mobile.
48:03
[SPEAKER_01]: He's not a runner, and he has good arms strength, but not great arms strength from what I've seen.
48:08
[SPEAKER_01]: So he's a guy who just have to rely a lot on the mechanics, the tools of which we have seen.
48:14
[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know if this is because a lot of people are not expecting Simmons to declare, but I do notice he's nowhere, if you're scrolling, and you're looking at
48:26
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, consensus mock for drafts.
48:30
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't see him.
48:30
[SPEAKER_01]: So is that a product of a lot of people don't think he's going to declare this year?
48:35
[SPEAKER_01]: Or do you just think you've found a diamond in the rough?
48:39
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's a little bit of both, honestly, I think that, so I will say I know I think it was Nate Tyson at Yahoo is one of the Yahoo guys posted a mock draft and he had Simmons in the top 10 and that had me extremely, like I felt vindicated in that moment where I'm like okay, so I'm not crazy, like I'm seeing something here, I
49:04
[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, there's always the concern of the fact that he is a, I mean, he's a one-year starter.
49:11
[SPEAKER_00]: He's still very unproven at the collegiate level and one-year starters entering the NFL as an early round draft pick.
49:16
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, the track record isn't all that great.
49:19
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure he can make a good amount of money and I help whether it's, you know, hopefully is staying at Mizzou.
49:24
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, for my team's sake, or it's, you know,
49:28
[SPEAKER_00]: somewhere else, you know, God forbid.
49:30
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I mean, I think it's a little bit of both.
49:33
[SPEAKER_00]: It's still pretty early in the, you know, the pre-draft process.
49:36
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know necessarily how many people have gotten around to Simmons.
49:40
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think the ones that have are, you know, pretty pretty bullish on them, my self included.
49:45
[SPEAKER_00]: So, again, we'll see, I mean, obviously, you know, Mizuzia got a really tough schedule to rest of the way.
49:50
[SPEAKER_00]: They still have Georgia.
49:51
[SPEAKER_00]: They still have Texas left to play.
49:52
[SPEAKER_00]: They have A&M as we're recording this
49:57
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, the early returns have been really impressive, at least in my opinion, but I will say on car, I do see
50:06
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I don't know, maybe this is the cliche of, oh, you think system quarterback, you think Brock Perty.
50:11
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think that Brock Perty, this year in particular, has shown he's much more than just that.
50:17
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, he runs the system incredibly well.
50:19
[SPEAKER_00]: But he also deserves a lot of credit for what he can, you know, for the accuracy he shows, what he can diagnose, pre-snap, those adjustments he can make, the post-snap reads that he can make.
50:29
[SPEAKER_00]: I see a lot of those in car.
50:31
[SPEAKER_00]: And maybe,
50:32
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you could argue maybe Perdi is a slightly better arm, but at the same time, it's like, you know, a lot of the intangibles, a lot of the, you know, the non-sexy aspects of playing quarterback that are honestly incredibly that, you know, impressive and arguably more important in the lot of cases.
50:49
[SPEAKER_00]: Card does really well.
50:50
[SPEAKER_00]: So, cards very close to my top five, I just think there are a lot of good quarterbacks in this particular class, not all of them are going to declare for this group, obviously.
51:00
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, that's just where I'm standing.
51:02
[SPEAKER_00]: And just to answer real quick, there are two questions in the YouTube chat that I'll touch on quickly before I turn over to you for the DFS side of things.
51:09
[SPEAKER_00]: There at least most says, where are you on Julian's saying?
51:13
[SPEAKER_00]: The Ohio State quarterback, I have Julian's saying currently as my
51:17
[SPEAKER_00]: I have this QB9, but he's also much higher, you know, a QB9 in this class still far is much better than a QB9 in most other classes.
51:26
[SPEAKER_00]: So again, you're looking at it guy who's a registered sophomore.
51:28
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't necessarily think he's going to declare for this draft.
51:33
[SPEAKER_00]: He's another guy where I think that maybe I think cars a little bit more poised but a similar kind of skill set where he's just an accurate throw over the football, not the biggest dude in the world, but impressive timing down the fields, you know, capable decision maker,
51:50
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, mechanically, I like a lot of what he brings the table, you know, solid, tight, compact release, you know, pretty consistent footwork, but yeah, I don't think he's going to declare for this draft specifically.
52:03
[SPEAKER_00]: I think, you know, he's at like a day two guy though, I could certainly see that.
52:08
[SPEAKER_00]: And then Dante Purifying the YouTube chat says, have you guys seen Florida Gators defensive end and manual OE of a day show.
52:21
[SPEAKER_00]: I like him a lot.
52:22
[SPEAKER_00]: I tweeted out about him pretty recently that he kind of fits that prototypical Denis Allen defensive end mold, you know, he's somebody who can play defensive tackle, he can pass rush in the interior, he can set the edge in the run game, hand used to just still very raw, he's a guy coming over from Britain, he didn't play football, I think it was until
52:43
[SPEAKER_00]: Like until he was 19 or something like that.
52:45
[SPEAKER_00]: So he's still very, very raw, but he's six foot six, almost 300 pounds, you know, over 35 inch arms, phenomenal wingspan.
52:52
[SPEAKER_00]: Great athlete for a guy who's that size, you know, maybe not the most flexible.
52:56
[SPEAKER_00]: Not a guy who's going to win with speed rushes, but he's quick off the ball, very good closing speed.
53:01
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, plays with a high motor, packs a nice punch.
53:05
[SPEAKER_00]: I like them a lot.
53:06
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, a bit of a show.
53:07
[SPEAKER_00]: I think in my early viewings, I have them as like a day two kind of guy.
53:10
[SPEAKER_00]: If he keeps up this pace over a full year and test incredibly well, I could see him maybe sneaking into the late round one.
53:17
[SPEAKER_00]: That's my little, that's my waffle session.
53:19
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll turn it over to you.
53:20
[SPEAKER_00]: I have your, you have two cash liners that you want to share with us here that I'm going to pull up because I swear to God, I'm not technologically challenged.
53:33
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, and Fonse is pulling that up.
53:34
[SPEAKER_01]: All this waffle talk is making me think of, I finally had the Chick-fil-A chicken sandwich.
53:41
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, how wild.
53:42
[SPEAKER_01]: It was good.
53:43
[SPEAKER_01]: I had it like,
53:45
[SPEAKER_01]: to a clock in the afternoon, don't ask why.
53:48
[SPEAKER_01]: But it definitely, it was sweeter than I expected, like the waffle itself, I think, so I think it'd be better suited for breakfast.
53:57
[SPEAKER_01]: It was good.
53:58
[SPEAKER_01]: It was not life-changing as many of the people on Twitter said, but it was very good.
54:04
[SPEAKER_01]: I recommend you try it, but again, yeah, probably more better suited for breakfast than a mid-afternoon snack as I had it.
54:12
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so it's reasonable, but I will say, though, real quick, I'm planning on trying the Portillo's Oreo cake shake today.
54:20
[SPEAKER_00]: Today's my cheat day because, you know, if, you know, I need to allow myself some sort of, you know, leeway in my unhealthy relationship with food, but
54:33
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'll be trying that, but I was curious about the, you know, the chicken of Waffles.
54:38
[SPEAKER_00]: I said so many people have been talking about it.
54:40
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's, you know, we've got boots on the ground journalism going on here.
54:44
[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, we appreciate that very much.
54:48
[SPEAKER_01]: Of course, of course, I'm here for the people and for food.
54:52
[SPEAKER_01]: The last thing I'll say on food is I don't think we're going to continue recording at 9am, but the one good thing about this is that I do have the opportunity to go across the street, to McDonald's before they stop serving breakfast today.
55:04
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
55:05
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, that's usually not possible when we record later.
55:09
[SPEAKER_01]: So just something, a good motivation to get up at 9am.
55:14
[SPEAKER_01]: So the reason I have two line-ups is I kind of wanted to show kind of some of the thought process that I go through when I'm because it's usually not, I don't like wake up one morning, click on nine guys to say this is what I'm going with.
55:25
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm looking at a lot of, and there's other ones looking at, but as of now, which I will note could change quite a bit.
55:32
[SPEAKER_01]: There is, as I'm sure many of you are aware, there's been a ton, a ton of ton.
55:37
[SPEAKER_01]: of injuries across the NFL, and so there's a lot of guys where, I mean, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the,
55:59
[SPEAKER_01]: going back to the day morning and you know checking me up at the end of the news.
56:02
[SPEAKER_01]: But so as of now we have the information we have.
56:05
[SPEAKER_01]: So right now kind of what's really driving the slate across cash and certainly tournaments is this crazy crazy total for Cardinals lions.
56:19
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you're aware.
56:20
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's a 50 last year to 54 and a half point total.
56:25
[SPEAKER_01]: The next closest game I believe is like
56:28
[SPEAKER_01]: 45 and a half, 40 seconds.
56:30
[SPEAKER_01]: Like it's just, it is some bounds away projected to be the highest scoring game.
56:36
[SPEAKER_01]: And similarly, a lot of these players on the Cardinals and Lions are not priced prohibitively.
56:43
[SPEAKER_01]: So you get like Burstetta at 5500.
56:46
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, everyone will be playing him.
56:48
[SPEAKER_01]: Tremic Ride at 6700 is a very, very good value.
56:55
[SPEAKER_01]: Gibbs, I mean, the Gibbs stuff is just wild.
56:57
[SPEAKER_01]: If you look at for those that are on audio only, I will say what the video people can see, which is that Gibbs is according to the projections I use projected for over 29 draft King's points, which is it's just absurd to think.
57:12
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, if you're projecting a guy for 29 points, you're essentially saying he's going to score one probably two touchdowns and he's going to rush for over 100 yards, which
57:20
[SPEAKER_01]: for a median outlook is just crazy to think.
57:22
[SPEAKER_01]: But I mean, this has been the season he's had.
57:25
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is why so much, I think, of success in fantasy, football, both on a daily and certainly season long, was just going to boil down to, did you have Gibbs?
57:34
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, usually we don't get guys that separate this much.
57:38
[SPEAKER_01]: B. John, I mean, has looked to come close.
57:40
[SPEAKER_01]: But I mean, the Gibbs stuff is just crazy.
57:42
[SPEAKER_01]: So he's not a maddock lock.
57:44
[SPEAKER_01]: So really what it comes down to is it's a few things.
57:49
[SPEAKER_01]: do you want to play Michael Wilson or do you want to try and get up to Amonra St. Brown?
57:55
[SPEAKER_01]: From a talent perspective, I think clearly Amonra St. Brown is better and that's why he's 1700 more on draft games.
58:02
[SPEAKER_01]: But I mean, the role that Michael Wilson has had really dating back to last year is just insane.
58:07
[SPEAKER_01]: He's just getting 10-11, 12, 13, 14 targets every single game.
58:12
[SPEAKER_01]: And so, while I really want to fit in, Amonra because I think
58:16
[SPEAKER_01]: both from a floor and ceiling perspective.
58:18
[SPEAKER_01]: He's clearly better.
58:19
[SPEAKER_01]: It's tough to poke holes in Michael Wilson, especially in this game.
58:23
[SPEAKER_01]: And so the issue becomes, if you want to get up to a modern same brown, over Wilson, you really can't play both, then you can't play DeAndre Swift.
58:32
[SPEAKER_01]: And then, so this is where, I'm curious, we talked a little bit about this with stuff.
58:39
[SPEAKER_01]: How much better is his outlook than Braylon Allen?
58:43
[SPEAKER_01]: I think Alan actually is a very talented player.
58:45
[SPEAKER_01]: He's very raw.
58:46
[SPEAKER_01]: He was very raw coming out of Wisconsin.
58:48
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he was like 20 years old or something.
58:50
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
58:52
[SPEAKER_01]: Bruce Hollis still out, Braylon Allen will get, I think he got essentially all, or if not like 95% of the snaps last week against the bears.
59:02
[SPEAKER_01]: Clearly the jets don't really trust Isaiah Davis.
59:05
[SPEAKER_01]: And so they're just, if you think Braylon Allen is going to get 20 carries, like,
59:10
[SPEAKER_01]: And you think Swift will get 20 carries, like maybe I just say I'll take the savings and get it to a monra, but at the same time, it's just it's tough for me to equate those two guys and so this is where a lot of it comes down to is like if you think a monra and Wilson are close and you or mostly close and you don't think Swift and Alan are close and it's a pretty easy decision.
59:30
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's kind of the first thing I'm looking at, just from a player game environment take, what do you think about it?
59:38
[SPEAKER_01]: If we just pretend in a vacuum, that's the 22 of, do you play Sabre on an Allen or Swift Wilson?
59:43
[SPEAKER_01]: What do you like just from the end-in-twoative sense?
59:47
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, you could really go either way, honestly, I feel like,
59:53
[SPEAKER_00]: in either regard, taking a shot on a wide receiver, it like an Arizona wide receiver, or a Detroit wide receiver in this particular game, I think is a good call.
1:00:05
[SPEAKER_00]: And actually crazy as we're going, as we're live on the air, Adam Shepter just tweeted, the Arizona Cardinals are finalizing a deal to trade Marvin Harrison.
1:00:23
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, really?
1:00:23
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but the tweet didn't say where he's going.
1:00:28
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we would expect it to be the cults as the most like, or is the lens thought that makes the most sense?
1:00:35
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
1:00:37
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow, I mean, there doesn't a be honest.
1:00:39
[SPEAKER_01]: It does not affect, I think, really much of what I'm doing here because we're kind of, we're under the assumption that he is not good and wouldn't factor into the game plan.
1:00:48
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but yeah, I think Wilson and St. Brown are actually somewhat close.
1:00:56
[SPEAKER_01]: I just like, again, when I think about it, like, how can it go wrong?
1:00:59
[SPEAKER_01]: Because I'm not trying to have the high scoring lineup, I'm just trying to have the lineup that won't bottom out.
1:01:06
[SPEAKER_01]: You can see a reality where Braille and Allen gets, he does get 15 carries, but for like 30, 40 yards.
1:01:13
[SPEAKER_01]: And the bear's rushing offense is just so prolific that, yeah, you're just looking at that man that was so silly.
1:01:24
[SPEAKER_01]: But what I can't get out of my head right now is that,
1:01:28
[SPEAKER_01]: The first line up, the one that projects higher, that has Michael Wilson, it's like three cardinals and one lion.
1:01:33
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
1:01:34
[SPEAKER_01]: This is a very reductive way of looking at it.
1:01:36
[SPEAKER_01]: But like the lions are the favored team, they're the team that is really driving the big total, like they're implied for 30 points.
1:01:44
[SPEAKER_01]: And so yeah, why am I stacking the game the other way?
1:01:48
[SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, part of it is just the raw production.
1:01:50
[SPEAKER_01]: But like this is, to me, this is just like what's so tough is it's like how much do I just like,
1:01:56
[SPEAKER_01]: purely rely on like okay here's what the numbers say versus like man I want to play I want to play like more lions or or even like the kind of like the mini again these aren't like straight to be too like the other to be too is like jet defense Titans defense and then like Malik Washington excuse me or Casey conception like that one is I think a lot more marginal but again generally like if it's close I want to pay down a defense
1:02:21
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but at the same time, like, man, I really like, um, I really like Malik Washington.
1:02:26
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I know the dolphins haven't been like that good or whatever.
1:02:29
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
1:02:29
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, they clearly are trying to get in the ball, uh, not just through the air, but he's had, uh, two, two rushes in both of the last two games.
1:02:37
[SPEAKER_01]: They haven't gone anywhere.
1:02:38
[SPEAKER_01]: But like, regardless, that shows you that like, they are making a concerted effort to get in the ball.
1:02:43
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if that's not so the same thing about conception.
1:02:47
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's, yeah, like I said,
1:02:49
[SPEAKER_01]: I've not made my decision yet.
1:02:51
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm very much leaning this first line up like, again, if it's close, I'm just going to rely on projections and just it is a point and a half clear, which as I've noted, it can be a mistake just clearly say, okay, here's what the projections say because these are, this is just like the most likely outcome and you have to think about in terms of the tail outcomes too.
1:03:10
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, and also just like, this isn't logical, but maybe it'll just be fun to like, root for first with in my lineup.
1:03:17
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I'll be tweeting out my lineup at Locke.
1:03:21
[SPEAKER_01]: I have a wedding on Sunday.
1:03:24
[SPEAKER_01]: So unfortunately, I actually might not be able to watch this game in its entirety, which I don't want to talk about.
1:03:29
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah.
1:03:31
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, unfortunately sometimes you do have to do things for friends.
1:03:35
[SPEAKER_01]: So a shout out Mark Stolti if he's listening, a big day tomorrow.
1:03:39
[SPEAKER_01]: So congrats to those of us that do talk to women and such.
1:03:43
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, good job, man.
1:03:46
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, I, I mean, it's, it's always a good time, you know, wedding season, you know, even if it does come, you know, during the, the NFL season, it's always, you know, nice to be able to celebrate friends and family and stuff like that, my, my luck with women recently has been simply a trotace, but I, I won't, I won't talk about that on the air, maybe that's a discussion for a happy hour someday down the line, but.
1:04:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, one of us clearly has a stricter boundaries talking about their personal life than the other.
1:04:21
[SPEAKER_01]: Which is fine, you know, it's, it's all right, you know, to tease their own.
1:04:25
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, most most assuredly so, but yeah, I mean, you know, it's taken to, you know, the heavy vet one way or the other on this Cardinals line's game feels like it's a, you know, fair shot.
1:04:37
[SPEAKER_00]: Take an opportunity on, you know, some of these running backs, you anticipate are going to have high volume that you could maybe get it a lower price because they're a little more on proven, you know, guys like Raylan Allen Mike Washington, I feel like it typically a pretty safe approach.
1:04:52
[SPEAKER_00]: Here in this regard, and then obviously making sure that you get to Mary Gibbs, you get your cash cow.
1:04:56
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's pretty, you know, that's a safe bet.
1:04:59
[SPEAKER_00]: He's worth the price.
1:05:01
[SPEAKER_01]: He's just, I can't say enough things, but just on how unbelievable he is in fantasy.
1:05:07
[SPEAKER_01]: Although, I mean certainly in real life, but you know, he's like down, I think almost a full yard per carry.
1:05:13
[SPEAKER_01]: interesting, like he's only averaging 4.4 yards per carry.
1:05:16
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if that's just because they know what to expect me with small sample size, but regardless his role, they just have nothing behind him.
1:05:24
[SPEAKER_01]: They're going to write him out.
1:05:25
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, man, I wish we had a guy like him on our team because that's like the one thing that's a little bit frustrating about the bears.
1:05:34
[SPEAKER_01]: They have a lot of these skill position guys who you feel like we're just waiting to take that next step to being elite.
1:05:40
[SPEAKER_01]: Like if there could be a lead, Rome, if he's healthy, could be a lead, love that we think is or could be a lead.
1:05:47
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think that's why you can see maybe the Falcons blowing out the Packers of Lamba more than the bears because they have Bijon, Bijon Robinson is a lead, Drake London is a lead.
1:05:58
[SPEAKER_01]: They don't use him, but Calpitz is a lead, like it's, so I'm not saying I won't happen, but it's like, maybe it'll take the return of Caleb to elevate them,
1:06:08
[SPEAKER_01]: It would be nice to have a truly, truly elite skill player on the Bears.
1:06:13
[SPEAKER_01]: And we'll see.
1:06:15
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, we'll just have to wait and let it all play out.
1:06:21
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm with you though.
1:06:22
[SPEAKER_00]: It would be sweet to have somebody like that on the offense.
1:06:26
[SPEAKER_00]: All things considered.
1:06:28
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the Bears win more with the pick your poison, sort of approach, as opposed to, you know, like, hey, this is our lead guy trying to stop them.
1:06:37
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I mean, different strokes for different folks at the end of the day, you know, Ben Johnson's fine in a way to be productive with what he has.
1:06:45
[SPEAKER_00]: And real quick, here in the the Twitter slash X chat, yeah, Joseph James Sell coming in saying Marvin Harrison Jr. is getting traded.
1:06:53
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm a little surprised that that report came out that he's getting traded without any indication of where he's going.
1:07:02
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think I've ever seen that before.
1:07:05
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, usually it's like, yeah, they're finalizing a trade to to this team.
1:07:11
[SPEAKER_01]: Is this like, cause this, yeah, you have to think about like, why, why does information get out, right?
1:07:17
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I'm, I'm a cow her, Colin Howard fan, I know not everyone is, but he's that great take where it's like, if information gets out like there's a reason, if people didn't want out, it wouldn't get out.
1:07:26
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's like,
1:07:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Is there some sort of like a bidding war slash are there two teams interested and you know maybe maybe agents GMs are saying hey like chef or go treat this out to make the other team think that like they need to up their offer right like that's.
1:07:41
[SPEAKER_01]: Because otherwise, it doesn't really make a ton of sense, right?
1:07:45
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, we knew we were really figured they were having discussions with other teams around him, but yeah, it's very odd you wonder kind of why.
1:07:54
[SPEAKER_01]: So I wonder if maybe there's a little bit of that going on.
1:07:57
[SPEAKER_01]: But that is purely speculation on my end.
1:08:01
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so we'll see.
1:08:02
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, and for those of you who are, you know, going to listen to this podcast at a later time, maybe we'll know where he's going by then I know the chef reports said that Harrison's going to be inactive this week in the Cardinals game.
1:08:17
[SPEAKER_00]: So that makes me think that probably it'll come on Monday or Tuesday or something like that, but I mean, you know, this.
1:08:24
[SPEAKER_00]: a pretty unique situation we're seeing playout live in front of us but lots of excited about with this week in particular with the bears the opportunity to go four and one obviously that's a massive boost for the you know the playoff push down the stretch still a lot of season left to play but if you're four and one you got to feel pretty good about your postseason opportunities so we both have the bears beating the packers at limbo field this week uh
1:08:49
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's just hope it comes true.
1:08:51
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's just hope it comes true at the end of the day.
1:08:52
[SPEAKER_00]: But that's going to do it for this edition of Bears for breakfast.
1:08:56
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you guys all for tuning in, whether you're on YouTube or we stream live on the Twitter verse here for the first time.
1:09:04
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for calling it by its proper name.
1:09:07
[SPEAKER_01]: I, of course, I refuse to call up anything else.
1:09:10
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like I'm sorry.
1:09:11
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I know it's, you know, it's the real name of it, but it's, I don't know.
1:09:15
[SPEAKER_00]: It's, I don't know.
1:09:16
[SPEAKER_01]: It's, I've never seen a product or brands get totally rebranded and like met with this much resistance.
1:09:21
[SPEAKER_01]: Like usually at some point, you'll just capitulate and they're like, final call, whatever.
1:09:25
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
1:09:25
[SPEAKER_01]: No, it's, it's, it's Twitter till the day I die.
1:09:28
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, honestly, not since the Sears Tower, honestly, but since they changed into the Willis Tower, it's like, if you're from Chicago, I don't know, maybe it's just my take.
1:09:38
[SPEAKER_00]: I still call it the Sears Tower.
1:09:39
[SPEAKER_00]: That's just my opinion on the latter.
1:09:42
[SPEAKER_01]: I call it whatever name I can remember in the moment.
1:09:44
[SPEAKER_01]: I actually don't have a strong take, which shows you that I am a transplant, and not a true Chicago.
1:09:53
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, hey, it's, you know, at least at the end of the day, I mean, you admit it, and I respect that.
1:09:58
[SPEAKER_00]: I respect the honesty.
1:09:59
[SPEAKER_01]: That's, that's, I've been initiated.
1:10:01
[SPEAKER_01]: I've done them alert shots several times, you know, there you go.
1:10:05
[SPEAKER_01]: I've almost died on the red line like it, you know.
1:10:09
[SPEAKER_01]: I become, I think, ingratiated into the echelon of Chicagoans, but you've gotten there.
1:10:17
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, those are all, I still haven't had a near-death experience on a Chicago train yet.
1:10:23
[SPEAKER_00]: That's something that I'm...
1:10:24
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so to be fair, when I say near-death experience, I mean, someone was like, they do the thing where they're like going train to train, like through the door, and that just scares me.
1:10:32
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, to me that is near death because I thought that maybe I could have maybe been near death That's my brain works.
1:10:40
[SPEAKER_00]: I get I mean, hey, I'd probably think the same thing.
1:10:42
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like all this guy's jumping from train to train He's trying to do something.
1:10:45
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like asking for me like whatever.
1:10:47
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
1:10:48
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's like this is my time to go I did see there's one time and when I was in college, I went to go visit Indiana and I saw a guy died.
1:10:57
[SPEAKER_00]: I hop
1:11:00
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, in front of your eyes, well, he was using the booth behind me, so I didn't like see him, you know, but he was eating his pancakes one time and then, you know, like as I was getting there and then me and my buddies, we all get up and then we look behind us and he's just he's just not moving.
1:11:19
[SPEAKER_00]: He's just he's just so we witnessed a death in the eye hop that day.
1:11:28
[SPEAKER_00]: So, that's a little bit lower about me.
1:11:30
[SPEAKER_00]: And if that, thank you for joining us this week on.
1:11:36
[SPEAKER_01]: on this week's episode of Bears for Reckvist.
1:11:38
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm going to try and hit up McDonald's before they stop serving breakfast.
1:11:42
[SPEAKER_01]: It should be all day, but you know, we should be a proper country, whatever, it's fine.
1:11:48
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's whatever, but yeah, the good way to end bears for breakfast is talking about, you know, trying to make it to McDonald's for that the end of the breakfast rush and the do dying in I-Hop.
1:12:00
[SPEAKER_00]: I think there's no better way to end a breakfast theme show.
1:12:03
[SPEAKER_00]: So thank you
1:12:06
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, what fun we have for Jacob White, I've been Jacob and Fonte.
1:12:12
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll see you guys next week.
1:12:13
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's help the bears pick up another win either way.
1:12:16
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll be back with you next week, bear it out.