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Speaker 3: Bill Riley in his ute minutes. The Morgan Scally era
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Speaker 3: is officially underway. We talked about this a little bit
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Speaker 3: last week bowl game.
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Speaker 2: In the rearview mirror.
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Speaker 3: The transfer portal window is officially open, conspicuously absent for
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Speaker 3: me so far, our announcements of any kind from Devin
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Speaker 3: dan Pier or from Bird Fickland. Now, this might be
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Speaker 3: a situation where we should treat it like no news
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Speaker 3: is good news, because obviously we don't want to see
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Speaker 3: Devin Dampier's name going to the transfer portal. You don't
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Speaker 3: want to see Bird Fickland's name going to the transfer portal.
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Speaker 3: You don't want to see any more of these defensive backs.
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Speaker 3: You have seen some announcement made on social media about
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Speaker 3: people re signing which is just an insane thing to
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Speaker 3: see college football players putting out there re signed, not resigned,
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Speaker 3: re hyphen signed. Nate Ritchie put it out there, so
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Speaker 3: the only motwapwaka put it out there. And I imagine
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Speaker 3: these negotiations are going to continue during this transfer portal window.
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Speaker 2: And I really want to.
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Speaker 3: Know who is the acting GM for Utah football right now, Like,
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Speaker 3: who is helping Morgan? Is Morgan Scali handling this all
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Speaker 3: himself at the moment? How closely is Morgan Scali working
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Speaker 3: with Mark Harlan and with the collective slash the collective
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Speaker 3: that sort of doesn't exist anymore.
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Speaker 2: The revenue sharing.
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Speaker 3: Is, as far as we know, still maximized, but laid
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Speaker 3: out with a particular pay structure, and it's effectively a
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Speaker 3: salary cap for the University of Utah. Beyond the salary cap,
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Speaker 3: how much flexibility does Morgan scally have to make a
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Speaker 3: phone call and say, Hey, I really this this pagan
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Speaker 3: kid that is coming down from Utah State. He's in
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Speaker 3: the transfer portal and I hired the offensive coordinator that
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Speaker 3: helped him have an incredible season. We'll get to Kevin
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Speaker 3: McGibbon here in a second, But today he's at Rutgers,
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Speaker 3: which is the truth, by the way, and Rutgers is
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Speaker 3: paying guys a million dollars to be wide receivers at Rutgers.
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Speaker 3: These are the numbers you have to fight with. These
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Speaker 3: are the numbers you have to play with. These are
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Speaker 3: the numbers you have to compete with if you're a
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Speaker 3: head coach and a head coach going into your first
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Speaker 3: season and just this last weekend filling out your staff,
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Speaker 3: really happy to see coach Bumpus back. Never wanted to
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Speaker 3: see coach bump leave. Chad Bumpets is back in the
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Speaker 3: fold at the University of Utah, a wide receivers coach.
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Speaker 3: Kevin mcgiven is a name that most of us didn't
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Speaker 3: really land on when we were speculating or we were
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Speaker 3: talking and we were figuring out who the candidates were
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Speaker 3: to replace Jason Beck, who of course left to follow
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Speaker 3: coach went to Michigan. Also, Doug Elisiah, strength and conditioning coach,
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Speaker 3: who has been there since the two thousand and five season,
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Speaker 3: he gone. Doug Elisiah was hired six months after Kyle Whittingham,
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Speaker 3: and he was elevated from his assistant coach position. I
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Speaker 3: mean it moves so fast, but we're not used to that, right.
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Speaker 3: We've had this sort of leisurely on the beach in Mexico,
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Speaker 3: sent me to Hawaii kind of pace when it comes
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Speaker 3: to Utah football, with the consistent and see and the
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Speaker 3: long standing coaches in multiple different positions, and even the
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Speaker 3: support staff have all been mostly the same for Kyle
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Speaker 3: Whittingham's tenure. And now the Morgan Scalley era begins and
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Speaker 3: an acceleration happens. We're all sprinting along trying to figure
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Speaker 3: out Kevin mcgiven Utah State offensive coordinator, San Jose State
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Speaker 3: offensive coordinator.
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Speaker 2: He's been all over the place.
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Speaker 3: Funny enough, Kevin mcgimon was the quarterbacks coach and play
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Speaker 3: caller when I was at Weaber State University for my
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Speaker 3: last year of eligibility after I transferred up there to
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Speaker 3: finish out with Ron McBride. And I'm happy to say that, James,
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Speaker 3: not to brag or anything, but this same Kevin mcgion
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Speaker 3: he called at least five plays that were designed to
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Speaker 3: get the ball in my hands when I was up.
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Speaker 4: There, the five most memorable plays of that season, no doubt.
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Speaker 5: Obviously, so at least five five touchdowns, six touchdowns actually
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Speaker 5: because the not just kidding, well, if you count the
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Speaker 5: two point conversion, it's a six touchdown.
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Speaker 3: So look, I have a little familiarity with Kevin mcgibon,
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Speaker 3: But how are you feeling?
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Speaker 2: Eight seven seven three five three zero seven hundred.
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Speaker 3: I want I want to hear from everyone. Okay, we
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Speaker 3: we knew some of the things that were going to happen.
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Speaker 3: We knew that Colton Swan was going to be elevated
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Speaker 3: to defensive coordinator. That was in the offing, and that's
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Speaker 3: exactly how it played out. I found out about a
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Speaker 3: week ago that coach Odum was coming back. Former ute,
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Speaker 3: actually former two sport athlete at the University of Utah
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Speaker 3: played center field and played safety, was a big part
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Speaker 3: of Kyle Whittingham's early tenure.
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Speaker 4: It's kind of center field in two different ways. Are like,
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Speaker 4: that's that's interesting, Like you hear about two sport guys,
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Speaker 4: and sometimes you hear about two sports where the positions
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Speaker 4: have some symmetry. But I don't know if I've heard
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Speaker 4: it quite like that. Maybe quarterback, point guard is the
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Speaker 4: only other one I've heard where it's like, oh yeah,
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Speaker 4: obviously it's center field safety.
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Speaker 3: That's that's really good. So Derek Odom is back. He
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Speaker 3: is the new Utah football safety coach. Kevin mcgibban is
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Speaker 3: your offensive coordinator. Chad Bumpus is your wide receivers coach.
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Speaker 3: Jordan Gross, one of the three best offensive linemen ever
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Speaker 3: to play at your university, is back to coach the
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Speaker 3: offensive line at your university.
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Speaker 4: And it saves your saves your number one recruit potentially,
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Speaker 4: potentially probably potentially, I think I think most likely keeps
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Speaker 4: Kelvin Obot in the fold.
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Speaker 2: And look, that's not why. That's not the only reason
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Speaker 2: to hire him. Think of it.
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Speaker 3: He's a guy who has been coaching a little bit
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Speaker 3: in high school. So will there be an adjustment, will
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Speaker 3: there be some growing pains? Is he going to be
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Speaker 3: an elite recruiter right away?
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Speaker 2: Who knows?
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Speaker 3: All right, but I saw some Texas Tech people weighing in.
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Speaker 3: I saw some BYU people weighing in. I saw an
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Speaker 3: Arizona State fan. Oh yeah, you just they're they're hiring
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Speaker 3: this guy just to save the number one recruit in
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Speaker 3: the class. Well, I'm not even here to tell you
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Speaker 3: that's a bad idea. If you can hire someone that's
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Speaker 3: going to save a recruiting class save the best recruit
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Speaker 3: in the history of the program.
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Speaker 2: That might be reason enough.
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Speaker 3: I mean, we see it in basketball all the time,
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Speaker 3: where Uncle Joe or dad or mom gets a job
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Speaker 3: just so that that player will go to your university.
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Speaker 3: We don't always love it, but I'm not telling I'm
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Speaker 3: not here to tell you it's a bad idea. In
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Speaker 3: the case of Jordan Gross, Let's not do the thing
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Speaker 3: where we pretend that he doesn't have the credentials that
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Speaker 3: make him a compelling coach, a compelling position coach.
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Speaker 2: All right, Jordan Gross? Was it all American? James?
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Speaker 3: Do you know how many sacks Jordan Gross gave up
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Speaker 3: his final year at the University of Utah?
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Speaker 2: Zero?
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Speaker 4: The answer is zero. That was just a guess I
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Speaker 4: would have. I mean, I was thinking maybe it'd be
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Speaker 4: more like one or two.
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Speaker 2: But zero is wow.
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Speaker 3: He ended up being the number eight overall pick in
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Speaker 3: the NFL, and he played his entire career for a
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Speaker 3: Carolina Panthers organization that was very up and down during
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Speaker 3: his tenure, and he was a stalwart mentor All Pro
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Speaker 3: Pro Bowl type player. He was a constant through the
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Speaker 3: many shifts that Carolina was going through at that time.
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Speaker 2: As a franchise.
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Speaker 3: He knows how to play the tackle position, especially, he
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Speaker 3: knows how to scheme up and understand defensive fronts. He
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Speaker 3: knows how to beat defensive fronts, and he has an
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Speaker 3: intimate knowledge of it and of film study end up
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Speaker 3: teaching the game because if you're able to teach the
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Speaker 3: game to fellow pros that are coming in and drinking
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Speaker 3: through the fire hose, I promise you're gonna be able
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Speaker 3: to do it with high school kids or transfers in
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Speaker 3: who have months and months and months to be with
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Speaker 3: you before they end up in live work. That's one
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Speaker 3: of the things that isn't ever talked about, really, like
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Speaker 3: whatever the offense is that Kevin McGibbon brings in. And
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Speaker 3: I think part of the reason why you hired Kevin
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Speaker 3: McGibbon as an offensive coordinator is because his style is
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Speaker 3: very similar to Jason Beck's style in that it is
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Speaker 3: a fluid offense that relies on personnel more than it
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Speaker 3: relies on anything else. Because this transfer portal does exist,
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Speaker 3: and because Morgan scally is just now embarking on his
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Speaker 3: head coaching journey and he's just now figuring out what
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Speaker 3: he needs this team to be what he wants his
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Speaker 3: team to be. What with the personnel that you bring
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Speaker 3: in and that is left over from this year's team,
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Speaker 3: you're actually able to make this team. You need an
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Speaker 3: offensive coordinator that's like, yeah, I can give you a
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Speaker 3: twenty two playbook or a twenty two play playbook that
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Speaker 3: everyone can absorb quickly for springball, and let's go.
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Speaker 2: Kevin mcgibbons's got that.
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Speaker 3: I spoke with a couple of people going all the
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Speaker 3: way back to the Weaver State days that have worked
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Speaker 3: with him, spoke with a guy who's coached with him
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Speaker 3: or coached by him, spoke with a couple of Utah
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Speaker 3: State coaches over the weekend.
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Speaker 2: What do you think?
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Speaker 3: What do you think of the higher and the only thing,
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Speaker 3: the only negative thing, the only thing that could even
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Speaker 3: be like remotely perceived as negative. I was told that
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Speaker 3: Kevin mcgibben can get into a groove like we all
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Speaker 3: do when we're playing Madden or whatever, where you get
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Speaker 3: this one player, you get this one guy, or you
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Speaker 3: get this one thing, and we got to throw the ball.
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Speaker 3: We gotta throw the ball right now. We got to
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Speaker 3: throw the ball right now. We got to establish the
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Speaker 3: run right now. We got to establish the run right now.
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Speaker 3: We got to establish the run right now, and that
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Speaker 3: he can get into a little bit of that groove
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Speaker 3: to where one other thing is working, but he wants
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Speaker 3: to establish the run, or the run is working, but
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Speaker 3: he wants to establish the deep threat or something like that,
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Speaker 3: and maybe could potentially leave things on the table because
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Speaker 3: of that. All Right, So if that's the criticism of
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Speaker 3: Kevin McGibbon, you can make that criticism of every play
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Speaker 3: caller that we've seen in Utah football and at other
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Speaker 3: places recently.
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Speaker 2: It's not the end of the world for.
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Speaker 3: Me if that's the biggest gripe against him, especially if
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Speaker 3: you've got an offensive or excuse me, you've got a
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Speaker 3: defensive minded head coach who at times is going to
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Speaker 3: be like, Hey, I know I'm not Kyle Whittingham here,
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Speaker 3: I'm not going to do that. Let's just run the
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Speaker 3: ball three yards in a cloud of dust thing. But like,
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Speaker 3: don't get stuck in this groove of trying to throw
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Speaker 3: this ball deep. I don't know who the quarterback is
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Speaker 3: going to be. Let's assume it's going to be Devin
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Speaker 3: dan Pierre. That's not what he's best at. Just like
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Speaker 3: Bryson Barnes, who you worked with last year, that wasn't
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Speaker 3: the thing that he was best with.
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Speaker 2: Let's play to our strengths.
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Speaker 3: I think Kevin McGibbon is going to be more than
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Speaker 3: capable of doing that. And I can tell you one
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Speaker 3: thing that he's good at that basically nobody's good at
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Speaker 3: in college football. And I say this with all sensitivity
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Speaker 3: and all respect and all love for my former teammates
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Speaker 3: at Weaber State University. When you don't have anything close
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Speaker 3: to elite quarterback play, he can find you yardage in
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Speaker 3: the offense.
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Speaker 4: It sounds that sounds a lot like what we were
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Speaker 4: expecting and what we saw from Jason Beck about just
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Speaker 4: getting yards from anywhere right where you don't necessarily have to.
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Speaker 4: The way he described his offense to us all through
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Speaker 4: the year was I see what personnally have and and
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Speaker 4: then I design an offense around it.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 4: That's that kind of sounds like from the quarterback position,
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Speaker 4: that same kind of.
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Speaker 2: Thing with they.
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Speaker 3: Were talking about with Jason Beck, and then we're talking
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Speaker 3: about with Kevin mcgiven where it's like, hey, I will
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Speaker 3: see what I have and then I will make that
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Speaker 3: quarterback productive, which that's fantastic to hear. I know that
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Speaker 3: some people feel a little underwhelmed by Oh, you got
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Speaker 3: the guy from Utah State. Hey, man, like it worked
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Speaker 3: last time you got you got Broncos offensive coordinator.
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Speaker 2: Let's just keep going to the well, all.
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Speaker 3: Right, Steel Broncos offensive coordinator next year too, if.
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Speaker 2: You need him from the Mountain West specifically. Here's the thing.
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Speaker 3: We didn't know Jason Beck was gonna work out the
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Speaker 3: way that he worked out. Now, I will say I'm
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Speaker 3: not here to just blow red smoke up your behind.
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Speaker 3: This resume is not as impressive at Utah State as
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Speaker 3: the New Mexico resume was for Jason Beck to bring in.
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Speaker 3: I got a little pushback last week when I asked
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Speaker 3: questions about whether or not Morgan Scalley's insular existence, his
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Speaker 3: isolation and so to speak as only ever having been
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Speaker 3: at the University of Utah, whether that could hurt him
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Speaker 3: and hurt this team in a situation like this one
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Speaker 3: where you got to go out on short notice, and
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Speaker 3: you got to replace a bunch of coaches, and you
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Speaker 3: probably got to do it with a smaller checkbook than
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Speaker 3: a lot of teams have, and things like that, could
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Speaker 3: this be an issue, and we're going to find out. Look,
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Speaker 3: I will remain optimistic that Kevin mcginnon is going to
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Speaker 3: do a heck of a job, because what I know
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Speaker 3: of him is that he is capable of doing a
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Speaker 3: heck of a job. Would it be a more comfortable
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Speaker 3: situation for Morgan and everyone else if he had a
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Speaker 3: broader net to cast because he had worked at UCLA
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Speaker 3: for a couple of years, because he had been to Tennessee,
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Speaker 3: because he had taken a coordinator job at Colorado.
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Speaker 2: I don't know. I really don't. I'm not telling you
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Speaker 2: that this.
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Speaker 3: I love the fact that potentially Morgan Scally could spend
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Speaker 3: literally his entire higher football career in the state of
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Speaker 3: Utah without ever deb eighty, without ever stepping outside of
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Speaker 3: the borders from an employment standpoint, from playing standpoint, you know,
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Speaker 3: prohibitively insanely rare.
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Speaker 2: That is, in today's era of football. He could do it.
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Speaker 3: Morgan Scally could coach for twenty years in this position,
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Speaker 3: and when he retires, he could be like, I am
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Speaker 3: mister football in Utah, legitimately Utah man am I and
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Speaker 3: actually be the Utah Man, the Utah Man one logo, Right,
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Speaker 3: That's what he keeps saying, which is which is honestly
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Speaker 3: really cool line by him.
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Speaker 4: I've only had one logo and like, but but you're right.
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Speaker 3: I did hear your interview with Sammy Moro where she
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Speaker 3: she just said, listen, I've heard that he is one
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Speaker 3: of the best at networking in the region so as
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Speaker 3: far as coaching, so maybe he's been able to And
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Speaker 3: I mean, that doesn't surprise me if that's the case,
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Speaker 3: O see, and it shouldn't surprise you either, Like with
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Speaker 3: the personality that we know he has. Of course he's
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Speaker 3: making of course he's making good friends and networking really well,
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Speaker 3: even though he's not on their staff. Right, So that
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Speaker 3: being said, it has it has really been guys he
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Speaker 3: knows because he played with them or they played here, Right,
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Speaker 3: That's what it seems like it's been. That doesn't really
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Speaker 3: indicate that his vast network outside external network is really
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Speaker 3: being tapped into yet We'll see. But let me tell
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Speaker 3: you this in Okay Brektterfield. What connection does an Okay
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Speaker 3: Brektorfield have two Utah football to football in the state
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Speaker 3: of Utah.
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Speaker 2: Almost none.
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Speaker 3: Right, This is a guy who was on Kaitlin de
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Speaker 3: Boor's staff at Washington, coached all conference players in back
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Speaker 3: to back to backpack twelve seasons. One of those was
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Speaker 3: a trip to the National Championship Game. He's an Oregon
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Speaker 3: State guy, played at Oregon State, was an All Pac
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Speaker 3: ten performer at Oregon State, and actually had been hired
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Speaker 3: back at his alma mater, where he was first to
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Speaker 3: volunteer coach, then he was a GA and then he's
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Speaker 3: been all over the place, coaching all over the land
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Speaker 3: right Weber State, Montana, Ucla, Pittsburgh, Wisconsin, Vanderbilt, Washington, most
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Speaker 3: recently at Baylor three weeks ago, hired by his own
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Speaker 3: alma mater, Oregon State gets a phone call from Morgan
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Speaker 3: Scalley and unfortunately Oregon State has been demoted to a
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Speaker 3: Group of five status. And Morgan Scalley can say, Hey,
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Speaker 3: you want to be a D line coach at the
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Speaker 3: University of Utah, A defensive ends coach, I should say,
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Speaker 3: at the University of Utah. And he's like, yeah, yes,
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Speaker 3: I do. Now, this is a guy again that, aside
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Speaker 3: from a two thousand and nine singular year stint at
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Speaker 3: Weaber State University, doesn't have a lot of natural like
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Speaker 3: intuitive Oh of course I know Morgan Scalley were best
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Speaker 3: friends and that was.
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Speaker 2: Pre j Hill even, right, So that would have been
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Speaker 2: Ron McBride's final year.
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Speaker 3: I think, so, I guess he's got the relation. He
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Speaker 3: has to have some kind of relationship with Ron McBride,
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Speaker 3: which of course ties him too Utah a little bit.
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Speaker 3: But that's one year, that's not Yeah, you're right. That
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Speaker 3: is a great example of what we're talking about. How
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Speaker 3: he might have that. He probably has that because of
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Speaker 3: his networking. He's done working in the Pac twelve.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so coach Mack was there till twenty eleven.
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Speaker 3: So look, I could see this and we'll we'll ask Morgan,
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Speaker 3: we'll talk.
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Speaker 2: To coach mac. Maybe I could see this being a situation.
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Speaker 6: Right.
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Speaker 3: We all saw the reports over the weekend that it
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Speaker 3: looked like another Utah man was coming back home, that
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Speaker 3: Jason Kalfusi was going to be the defensive ends coach,
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Speaker 3: and then those negotiations hit a snag. Right, Well, you
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Speaker 3: don't have a ton of time with the transfer portal
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Speaker 3: being what it is.
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Speaker 2: You gotta have a full staff.
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Speaker 3: You got to be able to tell players at a
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Speaker 3: very very important position in this Utah defense who their
21:06
Speaker 3: coach is going to be I could see a scenario
21:08
Speaker 3: in which Morgan Scalley picks up the phone and says,
21:12
Speaker 3: Coach Mac, you're my guy.
21:14
Speaker 2: You recruited me, you coach me.
21:18
Speaker 3: Who's the best defensive ends coach I can get that's
21:20
Speaker 3: not Jason Calfussi.
21:23
Speaker 2: Lewis Powell is gone. He would be choice number one.
21:26
Speaker 3: Jason Calfussi an easy choice number two for a lot
21:30
Speaker 3: of people here, especially because we are familiar. We know him, right,
21:35
Speaker 3: Coach Mack? Who else? Who else could I talk to?
21:39
Speaker 3: And if Ron McBride says, hey, I really was impressed
21:41
Speaker 3: with this Breaktorfield guy in the one year I was
21:43
Speaker 3: able to keep him at Weaver State. Absolutely, you make
21:46
Speaker 3: that phone call for Morgan Scalley, so we'll see how
21:51
Speaker 3: it works. He knows Mark Ott Twaya, this Breakerfield guy
21:54
Speaker 3: does as well.
21:55
Speaker 4: By the way, huge retention to keep markot Tuai on staff.
21:59
Speaker 3: It's a big deal. Like he was Jason Beck's guy.
22:03
Speaker 3: He he came here because because Jason Beck was here.
22:06
Speaker 3: To be fair, right, to be fully transparent.
22:08
Speaker 2: I think that.
22:10
Speaker 3: I think that the more likely scenario is that Marcott
22:13
Speaker 3: Towaya was probably like, hey, man, I'm back here in Utah.
22:18
Speaker 2: He wants to get back to Utah.
22:19
Speaker 3: I got a lot of like family here in Utah,
22:22
Speaker 3: and Kyle Whittingham was going to keep at least a
22:26
Speaker 3: couple of coaches on that that Michigan staff, so I
22:29
Speaker 3: could see that they were like, all right, well, let's yeah,
22:32
Speaker 3: if you're not overly enthusiastic about going to Michigan, let's
22:37
Speaker 3: let's talk about whether Morgan would keep you or not.
22:39
Speaker 2: And look, but.
22:40
Speaker 3: It's still a huge to Rita's retain him because Wayshaun
22:43
Speaker 3: Parker probably goes wherever Mark out Towio goes. And it's right, yeah,
22:46
Speaker 3: And it's a wonderful thing to have a player that
22:49
Speaker 3: talented be able to say I want to stay with
22:52
Speaker 3: this coach. And we don't know what Daniel Bray's future
22:54
Speaker 3: is going to be.
22:55
Speaker 2: Again, I was kind of expecting, James.
22:58
Speaker 3: I was kind of expecting more announcement already when the
23:01
Speaker 3: transfer portal opened, because.
23:03
Speaker 2: Utah had a hell of a season.
23:05
Speaker 3: This was not a seven and five Utah team or
23:07
Speaker 3: a five and seven Utah team that had like maybe
23:11
Speaker 3: one guy decorated all conference and stuff, like people were
23:15
Speaker 3: watching Utah football there's a lot of really good players
23:17
Speaker 3: who have eligibility left. There's a lot of young players
23:20
Speaker 3: with massive, massive upsides. Now what encourages me is that
23:25
Speaker 3: Morgan scally would have been a very profound part of
23:28
Speaker 3: the recruiting picture for most of those guys. And even
23:32
Speaker 3: though things didn't work out the way that we thought
23:34
Speaker 3: they would at the end with Kyle Whittingham, there's not
23:37
Speaker 3: a lot of differentiation between Hey, Morgan Scalley is going
23:42
Speaker 3: to be your head coach at some point during your
23:44
Speaker 3: career because I'm retiring, and Morgan Scalley is going to
23:47
Speaker 3: be your head coach at some point during your career
23:49
Speaker 3: because I'm gone to Michigan. Like the differentiation there is.
23:54
Speaker 3: Maybe now you get an offer from Michigan, Hey do
23:56
Speaker 3: you want to transfer to Michigan.
23:58
Speaker 2: But Morgan has been in the room.
24:01
Speaker 3: With these parents, these players, saying I'm going to be
24:04
Speaker 3: your head coach your junior and senior year, probably your sophomore, junior,
24:09
Speaker 3: senior year probably, So you.
24:11
Speaker 2: Got to be comfortable with me.
24:12
Speaker 3: Also, a lot of these guys committed to play for
24:15
Speaker 3: Morgan just as much as they committed to play for
24:18
Speaker 3: Kyle Whittingham. Now you get into this game this aggressive?
24:24
Speaker 3: Did I hire the right person to be the offensive coordinator?
24:28
Speaker 3: If you thought that you wanted to be here with
24:30
Speaker 3: coach Beck, do you want to be here with Kevin mcgiven.
24:33
Speaker 3: Mcgiven's on the phone right now, securing all those players,
24:37
Speaker 3: making sure that Bird and Dev are comfortable with him,
24:40
Speaker 3: making sure that the next crop of guys have some
24:45
Speaker 3: sense of what he wants to do. Utah State last
24:49
Speaker 3: year was thirty fifth in scoring offense in the country.
24:54
Speaker 3: New Mexico in twenty twenty four was twenty third in
24:56
Speaker 3: scoring offense in the country. New Mexico's a about thirty
25:00
Speaker 3: three points a game. Utah State was just under thirty
25:03
Speaker 3: one points a game. And I can tell you, I
25:06
Speaker 3: mean we watched some of those games, right. They had
25:09
Speaker 3: a really good wide receiver. They had Bryson Barnes, who's
25:13
Speaker 3: a tough SOB quarterback with some talent, probably had his
25:17
Speaker 3: best year as a as a college quarterback last year too.
25:21
Speaker 3: And you won't find a bigger fan of Bryson Barnes
25:25
Speaker 3: than me on the planet. But Bryson Barnes ain't Devin
25:29
Speaker 3: Dan Pierre. Yeah, and he's not Bird Fickland either. If
25:32
Speaker 3: you can get thirty one points out of an offense
25:34
Speaker 3: run by Bryson Barnes. All respect to him, I think
25:39
Speaker 3: you can do even better at the University of Utah.
25:42
Speaker 2: That's the idea stands the reason.
25:44
Speaker 4: Yeah, the other thing going back to roster retention, watching
25:49
Speaker 4: that Vegas ball, Oh see, I don't know if you
25:51
Speaker 4: had the same impression that I had. Devin looked like
25:55
Speaker 4: over the moon first, to be healthy second, but I
25:59
Speaker 4: think hello. Second was probably to play for Morgan Scalley.
26:03
Speaker 3: He looked excited the way he he led the celebration
26:08
Speaker 3: on the sideline. As the clocks ticking down, he went
26:11
Speaker 3: up to him patted him on the back. He looked
26:12
Speaker 3: excited to play for Morgan scaly JJ Buchanan in his
26:15
Speaker 3: postgame interview, the only thing that he had to say
26:19
Speaker 3: was how excited he is to play for Morgan scally.
26:22
Speaker 3: I was taken aback at guys like that who and
26:28
Speaker 3: we'll see what happens with Devin. He hasn't made an
26:31
Speaker 3: announcement yet. I'm with you right now. No news is
26:34
Speaker 3: good news, but still time. But if he stays. JJ
26:39
Speaker 3: Buchanan sounded like a guy who even though he came
26:42
Speaker 3: in excited about Jason Beck's offense. He sounded like a
26:45
Speaker 3: guy who was more excited to play for Morgan Scalley.
26:48
Speaker 3: And I think that that, like I was taking aback
26:50
Speaker 3: at how many of those guys watching them during the game,
26:53
Speaker 3: listening to them in the postgame interviews, just how well
26:57
Speaker 3: I guess Morgan was able to make that impression to
26:59
Speaker 3: the young guys that we were all very concerned about. Hey,
27:03
Speaker 3: is that young guy, talented guy gonna leave. I'm feeling
27:07
Speaker 3: after that, I'm feeling like they probably feels like they're
27:10
Speaker 3: probably gonna stay, even though their offensive coordinator who made
27:14
Speaker 3: them look offense awesome this year is followed Kyle.
27:19
Speaker 2: To Michigan, of all places.
27:21
Speaker 3: I'll say this, though, there's not a player on that roster,
27:24
Speaker 3: including JJ Buchanan, even Devin Dan Pierre right, who's been
27:29
Speaker 3: attached at the hip with Jason Beck. There's not a
27:31
Speaker 3: player on that roster who thinks that they were good
27:33
Speaker 3: because of Jason Beck.
27:34
Speaker 2: That's true.
27:35
Speaker 4: They've got the old world confidence that hey, I'm good
27:39
Speaker 4: because I'm me.
27:40
Speaker 3: When you're nineteen twenty twenty one years old and you're
27:43
Speaker 3: as good as these guys are, I was nineteen twenty
27:45
Speaker 3: twenty one years old and not anywhere near as good
27:47
Speaker 3: as these guys are. And you're thinking of your like
27:50
Speaker 3: you are the reason, right, You still like my hard work,
27:54
Speaker 3: my talent, my toughness. That's why I can touch these
27:59
Speaker 3: catch these touches down passes. That's why I can make
28:01
Speaker 3: that block. That's why I can make that tackle. Yes,
28:04
Speaker 3: I appreciate my coaches for putting me in a really
28:06
Speaker 3: good situation, but this is he ain't playing. It's me, right,
28:10
Speaker 3: And if you're Kevin McGibbon, that's half your recruiting pitch. Hey,
28:17
Speaker 3: I love what coach Beck was able to do, but
28:19
Speaker 3: coach Beck ain't the reason why you're one of the
28:22
Speaker 3: best freshmen in the country.
28:23
Speaker 2: JJ Buchanan, Hey, Daniel.
28:26
Speaker 3: Bray, he really found some nice little things for you
28:29
Speaker 3: to do. It wouldn't have taken me six games into
28:31
Speaker 3: the year before I found those things. Hey, way Sean,
28:36
Speaker 3: you became the Bell cow back final five games of
28:38
Speaker 3: the year. All respect to the guys who were here
28:43
Speaker 3: before me, but I know now that you're the Bell
28:46
Speaker 3: cow back snap number one. You're a two thousand yard
28:49
Speaker 3: rusher next year for me, walking in the fall, walking
28:51
Speaker 3: into spring football. I was gonna say, walking in the
28:53
Speaker 3: fall camp, walking in the spring football, you're gonna be
28:55
Speaker 3: bell cow back. Yeah, And look, it's I'm oversimplifying obvious,
29:01
Speaker 3: but these are the things.
29:02
Speaker 7: Right.
29:03
Speaker 3: You're recruiting your own roster, and you're recruiting people in
29:06
Speaker 3: the transfer portal, and you're doing all of those things
29:09
Speaker 3: by just saying, hey, I was able to do this
29:13
Speaker 3: at Utah State with guys that are not anywhere near
29:16
Speaker 3: as good as you.
29:19
Speaker 2: Or in the case of.
29:19
Speaker 3: The Pagan the Pagan kid, you're saying, imagine what I
29:24
Speaker 3: can do with you when we have a slightly better
29:28
Speaker 3: offensive line, better weapons around you, and a better quarterback.
29:31
Speaker 3: Because you already had a really good year up in Logan,
29:34
Speaker 3: what could we do in Salt Lake? The tough thing
29:39
Speaker 3: is you're up against all of it, and you're up
29:41
Speaker 3: against a million dollar offer from bleeping Rutgers.
29:45
Speaker 2: How are they able to do it?
29:47
Speaker 4: I mean, same guys, same guys bringing in Ace Bailey
29:51
Speaker 4: and Dylan Harper are putting their money towards the football team.
29:54
Speaker 2: I guess I don't know. Ninety one ninety seven.
29:57
Speaker 3: I'm feeling uncertain but optim and then continues to go
30:01
Speaker 3: on correct uncertain, but optimistic is the exact right way
30:07
Speaker 3: to feel, because we are uncertain about what this is
30:09
Speaker 3: going to be. How do I feel about Morgan Scalley
30:12
Speaker 3: as the head coach? Optimistic? Uncertain though, because we just
30:17
Speaker 3: don't know, and it's it's important and it's acceptable to
30:22
Speaker 3: acknowledge that you just don't fully know.
30:24
Speaker 2: We think we do, but we're not one hundred percent sure.
30:28
Speaker 3: There are three thousand football players in the transfer portal
30:32
Speaker 3: right now, Ladies and gentlemen, that's almost one third of
30:35
Speaker 3: all the players in Division one football are in the
30:37
Speaker 3: transfer portal. We are definitely uncertain as to what everything
30:42
Speaker 3: is going to look like when you get to spring
30:45
Speaker 3: football and then next fall, and that's okay to say,
30:50
Speaker 3: but optimistic, it's probably more important to be. Take a
30:55
Speaker 3: quick one here. Ari Timpkins is going to join us
30:57
Speaker 3: on the other side. We'll talk all things college football,
30:59
Speaker 3: including this massive rush to the transfer portal. It's a
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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Sean O'Connell Show.
31:32
Speaker 3: Welcome inn our good friend Ari Tim kitting Big twelve
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Speaker 3: today on tune in Radio, Ari, welcome again.
31:38
Speaker 2: How are you, sir?
31:39
Speaker 7: I'm great, OC. How are you, Buddyon?
31:41
Speaker 2: Alright? Are you in the transfer portal? You're not in
31:43
Speaker 2: the transfer portal?
31:44
Speaker 7: Are you not yet?
31:46
Speaker 1: No?
31:46
Speaker 7: Not yet? But it's enticing.
31:47
Speaker 3: Man, there are three thousand plus football players in the
31:52
Speaker 3: transfer portal right now. I know that you can't unring
31:56
Speaker 3: this bell or close Pandora's box, but this number in
32:00
Speaker 3: this single window is it? Is it an alarming thing?
32:05
Speaker 3: Is it something that we need to fix or figure out,
32:08
Speaker 3: or is it just something we should accept.
32:11
Speaker 7: It's a great question. I mean, I think there's a
32:13
Speaker 7: couple of ways to look at this number. One, you know,
32:15
Speaker 7: it's it's all right from our perspective, like how much
32:18
Speaker 7: does it bother us as fans or analysts of these teams?
32:21
Speaker 7: And you know, I think it's it's difficult to track
32:24
Speaker 7: players from a fans perspective when you know rosters every
32:27
Speaker 7: year change hands seemingly, and then you know, I'm like,
32:30
Speaker 7: what's the you know, what's the impetus for any sort
32:33
Speaker 7: of you know, uh changing or jumping in, Like you know,
32:36
Speaker 7: are we looking out for the goodwill of the student
32:38
Speaker 7: athletes that that's something that matters to us, probably not
32:41
Speaker 7: as much as our fandom and you know, having players
32:43
Speaker 7: that are going to be consistently on our teams, I
32:46
Speaker 7: think like the biggest thing I have is you would
32:50
Speaker 7: think that the players would have some semblance of the
32:53
Speaker 7: context associated with it, meaning you know, we now have
32:56
Speaker 7: enough of a sample to know that there's not enough
32:59
Speaker 7: spots for all of these guys, So you know, it
33:04
Speaker 7: makes sense then that some of these guys would make
33:06
Speaker 7: decisions based on, hey, there's a there's a decent chance
33:09
Speaker 7: that if you enter the portal you're actually gonna end
33:11
Speaker 7: up in a worse situation. And you know, maybe it's
33:14
Speaker 7: going to take a larger sample over a longer period
33:16
Speaker 7: of time in order for some of these guys to
33:18
Speaker 7: get that. But you know, see, I think that's like
33:20
Speaker 7: the biggest piece here is there's a lot of data
33:22
Speaker 7: that suggests that there's not three thousand spots available, and
33:26
Speaker 7: you know, some of those numbers are going to be
33:28
Speaker 7: from FCS or Division two, you know, or or Division
33:31
Speaker 7: two players that are probably not gonna get a crack anyways.
33:33
Speaker 7: But the numbers that I've dug into further every year
33:38
Speaker 7: is how many of those guys are actually power for guys,
33:42
Speaker 7: and how many of them either you know, improve their
33:44
Speaker 7: status meaning get to you know, stay to power for school,
33:47
Speaker 7: and then end up with greater playing time, which is
33:49
Speaker 7: what a lot of them want. And I think that's
33:51
Speaker 7: where some of the education is really important. That you know, Look,
33:54
Speaker 7: you enter the portal, you may not get a better situation.
33:57
Speaker 7: You may get to end up in a worse situation.
33:58
Speaker 7: And the way I define or worse situation might be
34:01
Speaker 7: completely different than those athletes themselves. But I think from
34:04
Speaker 7: a fans perspective, it sucks because it's hard to become
34:06
Speaker 7: accustomed these players when you know there's a transient. There
34:09
Speaker 7: used to be a connection that we had to players
34:12
Speaker 7: and that's seemingly gone.
34:13
Speaker 2: Well it's interesting. I mean, we had a guy, Smith Notten.
34:17
Speaker 3: Who you watched all year, right he sat down on
34:20
Speaker 3: like Live with Us at the Utah Bookstore five weeks
34:23
Speaker 3: ago and was like, yeah, I'm a utub Man for life.
34:26
Speaker 3: And now he's in the transfer portal and a lot
34:28
Speaker 3: of reports indicating that it's down to by you were
34:31
Speaker 3: Oregon for him, so not a Utah man for life.
34:35
Speaker 3: And honestly, I don't begrudge it, because I'm sure when
34:38
Speaker 3: we had that conversation he fully meant it. But this
34:41
Speaker 3: is the situation we're in now where, especially when there's
34:44
Speaker 3: a coaching change, players feel it's almost necessary to explore
34:48
Speaker 3: the options, and we collectively have set this up in
34:53
Speaker 3: a way that there's nothing to discourage it.
34:55
Speaker 2: So why not, right?
34:57
Speaker 7: And I think, I mean, honestly, I'm surprised you said
34:59
Speaker 7: the you in Oregon. As soon as saw Smith Stowte
35:01
Speaker 7: and put his name in the transportal, I figured the
35:03
Speaker 7: name would be Michigan. And honestly that I would think,
35:07
Speaker 7: as a Utah fan, you might feel a little bit
35:09
Speaker 7: better about that if he did go to Michigan, because
35:11
Speaker 7: then at least it makes more sense and we could say, well, yeah,
35:14
Speaker 7: he said he was a Utah guy, but you know,
35:15
Speaker 7: he wanted to follow his guy in Kyle Whittingham, so
35:17
Speaker 7: it makes more sense. It seems like, oh see, the
35:21
Speaker 7: issue is in making these declarative statements, you know, and
35:24
Speaker 7: and coaches are a little bit more tuned to the
35:27
Speaker 7: media than the players are. But if you're a player,
35:30
Speaker 7: you probably just shouldn't make these declarative statements. As good
35:32
Speaker 7: as they found, you know, it ends up being a
35:35
Speaker 7: situation at which nobody feels good after the fact that
35:38
Speaker 7: you make statements like that. And you know, so, I
35:41
Speaker 7: I think, on the one hand, like Smith probably meant
35:44
Speaker 7: it when he said it, but unfortunately fanc here what
35:46
Speaker 7: they want to hear. And if you say that, like
35:48
Speaker 7: it's just tough to walk it back. And again, I
35:50
Speaker 7: figured as soon as the saw Smith show the name
35:52
Speaker 7: of the portal, who's going to Michigan.
35:54
Speaker 3: Well, I think they're still in place, certainly, but even
35:58
Speaker 3: Michigan probably doesn't want to pay. Oregon seems to be
36:01
Speaker 3: willing to pay, we'll see, right, And Smith's dad, I
36:04
Speaker 3: think you're aware Smith's dad was a BYU guys. So
36:07
Speaker 3: at the end of the day, right, the Transfer Portal
36:10
Speaker 3: has been a net positive for the University of Utah
36:14
Speaker 3: since before we called it the Transfer Portal, and certainly
36:17
Speaker 3: even since because Kyle Whittingham and that culture and the
36:21
Speaker 3: constant sort of success I think was appealing to players,
36:25
Speaker 3: especially players who were looking for a little stability in
36:28
Speaker 3: a career that maybe wasn't going the way that they
36:30
Speaker 3: wanted to see it go. Now you're Morgan Scalley and
36:34
Speaker 3: you're trying to say, hey, we're going to preserve a
36:36
Speaker 3: lot of that culture, We're going to do things, but
36:38
Speaker 3: you're also you're also doing it my way now instead
36:41
Speaker 3: of just the Kyle Whittingham way. How do you walk
36:43
Speaker 3: that line if you're Morgan Scalley to where you're still
36:47
Speaker 3: as appealing as the program was before Kyle Whittingham left,
36:51
Speaker 3: but in a different way.
36:53
Speaker 7: Well, and you know, amazingly, I know a lot of
36:56
Speaker 7: Utah fans are you know, a little perturbed about some
36:58
Speaker 7: of these assistants leaving and hanging to Michigan. But in
37:01
Speaker 7: some ways there's a net positive here with Jay Hill
37:03
Speaker 7: leaving their rival as the defensive coordinator and taken over
37:06
Speaker 7: the defense at Michigan. So you know, it's got to
37:10
Speaker 7: be interesting from the Utah fans perspective because I know
37:13
Speaker 7: that some were upset about some of the coaches leaving,
37:15
Speaker 7: but at the very you know, it also impacted BYU.
37:18
Speaker 7: I'm sure Cougar fans are like, wait, what how does
37:20
Speaker 7: this expect us now? And in a dramatic way, because
37:23
Speaker 7: we know how good Jay Hill's been, you know, for BYU,
37:25
Speaker 7: and it's you know, obviously we understand that it's it's
37:29
Speaker 7: you know, there's so much in house for Utah BYU
37:32
Speaker 7: that are interconnected, so it makes sense that that there'd
37:35
Speaker 7: be some ways in which it would impact them. But
37:38
Speaker 7: you know, yeah, I mean, I think this was going
37:40
Speaker 7: to be a pretty smooth transition. A big part of
37:43
Speaker 7: it was, Hey, we don't want some of these assistant
37:45
Speaker 7: coaches to have to lose jobs or move and you know,
37:48
Speaker 7: that's one of the advantages of having Morgan Scaley who's
37:50
Speaker 7: in house. And you know, now it's like he's gonna
37:52
Speaker 7: have to redo the whole thing, you know, in his
37:54
Speaker 7: own image. And so I think in some ways that's good.
37:56
Speaker 7: In some ways, he's not taken over Kyle Whningham's program.
37:58
Speaker 7: Now he's guys on stamp on it, and I think,
38:01
Speaker 7: you know, look, Morgan's got to do his own thing.
38:03
Speaker 7: He can't just rely on this is how we've done things,
38:05
Speaker 7: and this is how we've been successful at Utah maybe
38:07
Speaker 7: the way that people expected it to go. You know,
38:09
Speaker 7: now he's got to put his own stamp because it's
38:11
Speaker 7: a completely different set of circumstances than we all anticipated.
38:14
Speaker 7: I don't think anybody thought, you know, when Scaley was
38:16
Speaker 7: named the head coach in waiting, that he'd take over
38:19
Speaker 7: at the same time with Kyle Whittingham taken over at
38:20
Speaker 7: Michigan and the circumstances surrounding this, So you know, Morgan's
38:24
Speaker 7: got to do his own thing. I think too many
38:25
Speaker 7: times coaches that come from a tree try to try
38:28
Speaker 7: to do it the exact same way as the other guy.
38:30
Speaker 7: And you're not. You're not Kyle Whittingham. You know, you
38:32
Speaker 7: might have similarities and might person that personality wise be similar,
38:35
Speaker 7: but I don't think you could replicate what's been done.
38:38
Speaker 7: I think you got to do your own thing in
38:39
Speaker 7: your own way and not try to duplicate the same
38:41
Speaker 7: process as that We're already done.
38:43
Speaker 3: All right, Timpkins, our guests here on the Sean ol
38:45
Speaker 3: Connell schul Talk and all things right now, you tough football,
38:48
Speaker 3: Let's focus on the Big twelve a little bit. I
38:52
Speaker 3: guess I shouldn't have doubted it. I don't know if
38:54
Speaker 3: I ever did doubt it, but I I still am
38:56
Speaker 3: not used to Indiana being Indiana, right and then I
38:59
Speaker 3: saw what they were able to secure in terms of
39:01
Speaker 3: early commitments just from this transfer portal class, I was like, Oh, yep,
39:04
Speaker 3: Indiana's not going anywhere. And I think the same is
39:07
Speaker 3: absolutely true of Cody Campbell and Texas Tech as they
39:11
Speaker 3: have reportedly locked down the number one free agent in
39:14
Speaker 3: college football and Brendan Sorosby for a number that's reported
39:18
Speaker 3: to be about five million dollars. What do you think
39:22
Speaker 3: of the four the former Cincinnati quarterback going to Texas Tech.
39:26
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'll be that, but I mean, it's it's almost
39:28
Speaker 7: as if they went through James Blackscher Joey maguire went
39:31
Speaker 7: through the all Big twelve teams and just started picking
39:33
Speaker 7: off players they wanted and including Austin Romaine. Looks like
39:36
Speaker 7: they're gonna add him from Kansas State. They also added
39:40
Speaker 7: Trey White, a pass rusher from San Diego State who
39:43
Speaker 7: has like twenty nine and a half tackles for the
39:45
Speaker 7: loss for the last two seasons in nineteen sacks for
39:47
Speaker 7: the last two seasons. So yeah, they've reloaded and they've
39:50
Speaker 7: certainly improved on the offensive side of the football, which
39:52
Speaker 7: was their major issue of that game on Friday, My
39:57
Speaker 7: Day or Thursday. My days of the week are all
39:58
Speaker 7: messed up with this. I keep wanted to say Saturday,
40:01
Speaker 7: and it's clearly not. But I mean, and going back
40:04
Speaker 7: to a question you said before about how should we
40:06
Speaker 7: feel about the portal, I mean, the reality, hero C
40:08
Speaker 7: is nobody's happy right now, and we all know the solution.
40:12
Speaker 7: It's right in front of us. It's just whether or
40:13
Speaker 7: not they want to move forward with it, which is
40:14
Speaker 7: collective bargaining. But that's the only way this thing gets fixed.
40:17
Speaker 7: And you know, in terms of getting fixed, like you
40:19
Speaker 7: need guys on legitimate contracts and they're going to honor
40:23
Speaker 7: that mean multiple seasons as opposed to you know, this
40:26
Speaker 7: perpetual free agency that we have. The only way to
40:28
Speaker 7: fix that is through collective bargaining. And everybody knows that.
40:31
Speaker 7: It's just they're trying to figure out a way to
40:32
Speaker 7: do it without collectively bargaining. And the reality is collective
40:35
Speaker 7: bargaining wouldn't be great for the athletes themselves because they're
40:38
Speaker 7: able to re up every year, and so they'd have
40:40
Speaker 7: to be, you know, tied to contracts and everything else.
40:43
Speaker 7: So I mean, that's the ultimate fix, and we'll see
40:45
Speaker 7: if they're at what point I should say, we'll see
40:47
Speaker 7: at what point college football is ready to take that plunge.
40:51
Speaker 7: But yeah, I mean, well Tech was a dominant defense
40:53
Speaker 7: all year. I think the one thing that maybe we
40:55
Speaker 7: overlooked heading into this this Orange Bowl game against Oregon
40:58
Speaker 7: was you know, how much their defense was able to
41:01
Speaker 7: aid their offensive success. And you know, I was surprised
41:05
Speaker 7: by how bad Bard Morton was in this game. And
41:08
Speaker 7: it was just a combination of you know, Morton not
41:10
Speaker 7: playing well and not seeing the field well and Oregus
41:13
Speaker 7: defense just doing some stuff to him that he had
41:15
Speaker 7: not seen before. And it sort of was one of
41:17
Speaker 7: those things. Watching the game and I was at the
41:19
Speaker 7: Orange Bowl. It was a fun game to be at,
41:21
Speaker 7: except for when the game kicked off, because it was
41:24
Speaker 7: just brutal from a Big twelve perspective, because you know,
41:27
Speaker 7: this is fair or unfair, a huge measuring stick for
41:31
Speaker 7: this conference. And to lay at Goosegg in that game
41:34
Speaker 7: again as well as your defense played just the offense
41:37
Speaker 7: completely no showed and really gave Texas Tech no chance
41:40
Speaker 7: to win. So you know Sorsby will be a dramatic
41:43
Speaker 7: upgrade of the quarterback position. The question is, you know
41:46
Speaker 7: this defense was dominant and David Bailey is a top
41:48
Speaker 7: ten pick, and they're adding some talent in the portal,
41:51
Speaker 7: there's no doubt about that. But enough to make them
41:52
Speaker 7: an elite defense like they'd been. We'll see.
41:55
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was that was going to be the quest.
41:57
Speaker 2: How sustainable is it?
41:58
Speaker 3: Right? It felt like defensive there was some magic and
42:01
Speaker 3: you can't bring all of these guys back, But we're
42:05
Speaker 3: not given Maybe I'm not given this coaching staff enough
42:07
Speaker 3: credit because most of these guys were only together for
42:10
Speaker 3: this year and they were able to put all.
42:12
Speaker 7: That together, right, And I mean, look, Indiana's doing it too,
42:16
Speaker 7: and Texas Tech, at least in this recruiting class is
42:20
Speaker 7: recruiting at a higher level than Indiana is right now.
42:22
Speaker 7: And but I mean, Indiana, what they're doing is unprecedented.
42:26
Speaker 7: I mean, you know, they had the year last year
42:28
Speaker 7: where they put together a great season but didn't really
42:30
Speaker 7: beat anybody, and then lost, you know, in the playoff
42:33
Speaker 7: to notre name in a game that they weren't even
42:34
Speaker 7: close in. And now this year they're the favorites to
42:36
Speaker 7: win it all with the same quarterback from last year
42:39
Speaker 7: who transferred in and a bunch of new transfers so
42:42
Speaker 7: you know, and it all goes back of course the
42:44
Speaker 7: blue chip ratio piece, which we've talked a lot about
42:46
Speaker 7: two and that is you know, Indiana and Ole Miss
42:48
Speaker 7: are two teams that are in it in the final four.
42:50
Speaker 7: They're not blue chip ratio teams. And Indiana's been built
42:54
Speaker 7: in a way that you just don't see traditional national
42:56
Speaker 7: champs in college football built. So, you know, this is
43:00
Speaker 7: a really good litmus test for like, can the Big
43:03
Speaker 7: twelve have a team that can win a national title?
43:06
Speaker 7: Because in the era of the blue chip ratio, in
43:09
Speaker 7: which no team has won a national championship having less
43:11
Speaker 7: than fifty percent of the roster, you'll be four five
43:14
Speaker 7: star cruits. Then you know, it kind of goes out
43:17
Speaker 7: the window. But I think to see Indiana do it,
43:19
Speaker 7: then there's this belief that, like, it is sustainable, it
43:21
Speaker 7: is something you can build a national championship team with.
43:24
Speaker 2: What do you make it of Sam Levitt's situation He's
43:27
Speaker 2: going to Kentucky.
43:28
Speaker 7: It sounds like, yeah, it feels like Arizona State and
43:32
Speaker 7: Kentucky just made a trade for the quarterback. Kentucky's quarterback
43:36
Speaker 7: goes to Arizona State. I would imagine for a significantly
43:39
Speaker 7: cheaper than the north of five million that Sam Levitt's
43:41
Speaker 7: going to get. You know, look, I I wish Sam Levitt.
43:46
Speaker 3: Well.
43:46
Speaker 7: I know that there was some smoker on Levitt to
43:48
Speaker 7: Texas Tech. From what I've heard, there was no interest whatsoever.
43:51
Speaker 7: There just kind of a personality mismatch. Levitt obviously has
43:55
Speaker 7: the connection with will Stein, going back to his you know,
43:57
Speaker 7: his time being recruited at Oregon by Kenny delling hamond
44:00
Speaker 7: will Stein. So, but look, really good quarterback. I think
44:04
Speaker 7: he's going to immediately raise the expectations for Kentucky. It's
44:07
Speaker 7: a lot of money just gone on one player.
44:11
Speaker 3: Did they did the Kennedy Dellingham cut Sam Levitt I
44:14
Speaker 3: spent some time in the ASU conspiracy circles. And you
44:19
Speaker 3: know there's this apocryphal story about maybe he was playing
44:22
Speaker 3: pick up basketball and rolled an ankle and and that
44:25
Speaker 3: upset his teammates and his coaching staff to the point
44:28
Speaker 3: where this divorce ended up happening.
44:31
Speaker 2: What have you heard or do you do you hear
44:33
Speaker 2: anything about that?
44:35
Speaker 7: I mean there's a lot of smoke around the end
44:37
Speaker 7: of the Sam Levitt era in Arizona State. And yeah,
44:41
Speaker 7: I mean, you know, I do think. Look, Levitt is
44:44
Speaker 7: a is a different cat. You know, he's obviously got
44:47
Speaker 7: an ego on a level that you know, he wanted
44:50
Speaker 7: to go out to the open market and see what
44:51
Speaker 7: was out there for him, and he's cashed it in
44:53
Speaker 7: a big way. I think if we just kept this
44:56
Speaker 7: to a dollars and cents conversation, Arizona State at some
44:59
Speaker 7: point did the arithmetic. It figured out that it was
45:02
Speaker 7: just not gonna be worth it because they they had
45:05
Speaker 7: more money they needed to spend in different areas of
45:08
Speaker 7: their team in order to become you know, championship caliber,
45:11
Speaker 7: and they didn't feel like, you know, investing five to
45:14
Speaker 7: seven million in Sam was worth it. And I think
45:17
Speaker 7: if all those other things are there too, are you
45:20
Speaker 7: are you investing five million plus into this guy? And
45:22
Speaker 7: and again I think it's somewhere north of five and
45:25
Speaker 7: south of seven. So I think he ended up getting
45:27
Speaker 7: more than stores by We'll see, you know, if the
45:29
Speaker 7: numbers come out publicly. But I think, you know, oh see,
45:33
Speaker 7: if if those things are there off the field and
45:36
Speaker 7: there's concerns, are you paying him five million?
45:38
Speaker 2: Probably not.
45:39
Speaker 7: So you know, it's like he had to check a
45:41
Speaker 7: lot of boxes and he probably didn't, and so it's
45:43
Speaker 7: not worth you know, can we get an offensive line?
45:46
Speaker 6: No? And not.
45:46
Speaker 7: We're paying Sam sam Levitt five million.
45:49
Speaker 2: Can the big twelve keeper leak Brown in the conference?
45:54
Speaker 1: Well?
45:54
Speaker 7: And that's where it goes to the You know, if
45:56
Speaker 7: you did spend five million on Sam Levitt, you know
45:59
Speaker 7: how much do you now have to spend in other players.
46:02
Speaker 7: It's obvious that Arizona State knows what they're doing in
46:05
Speaker 7: terms of, uh, you know, recruiting and scouting running backs.
46:09
Speaker 7: So he said he had a great year, obviously, but
46:13
Speaker 7: I also wonder if they feel like, hey, we could
46:15
Speaker 7: go and I mean it's it's sort of like the NFL,
46:18
Speaker 7: where you might have a thousand yard back, but you
46:20
Speaker 7: may also look at, say do we pay him x
46:22
Speaker 7: or go into the draft and find a guy that
46:24
Speaker 7: can become a you know, Jacobi Krosky, Merritt or Calm
46:27
Speaker 7: a Nun guy for the Bears. You know, these guys
46:29
Speaker 7: that are having really good rookie seasons that were laid
46:31
Speaker 7: draft picks, that are making that much money. And you
46:33
Speaker 7: wonder if you're Kenny Nny's Dillingham and you feel like
46:35
Speaker 7: you're good enough at the quarterback position. You're getting enough
46:37
Speaker 7: on your offensive line, you know, do you have to
46:39
Speaker 7: spend the money? I mean, I think it's like the
46:41
Speaker 7: NFL in that you've got to really put a premium
46:43
Speaker 7: on the premium positions. You know, you want to invest
46:46
Speaker 7: heavily quarterback, defensive end, offensive line. I don't know that
46:49
Speaker 7: running backs is gonna where I'm going to invest heavily,
46:51
Speaker 7: even though I do have a guy in Brown who
46:52
Speaker 7: was really really good last year.
46:55
Speaker 3: All Right, it's January fifth, We've got what ten days
46:59
Speaker 3: of trains for portal left and a college football playoffs
47:04
Speaker 3: still to figure out. Handicap for me, the ri Tempkin
47:09
Speaker 3: you know, top teams in the Big twelve for twenty
47:11
Speaker 3: twenty six.
47:14
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's a great question.
47:15
Speaker 1: Man.
47:15
Speaker 7: Is Devin dam Pier back in Utah.
47:19
Speaker 3: Conspicuously absent to any announcements or information on that?
47:24
Speaker 6: Right?
47:24
Speaker 3: And then look, there was a lot of conversation that
47:28
Speaker 3: Arizona State was coming hard after Devin dan Pierre, and
47:30
Speaker 3: then this weekend we get an announcement that they've secured
47:33
Speaker 3: a Kentucky quarterback. So, I mean, I don't think he's
47:36
Speaker 3: going to Michigan. Doesn't seem like that's in the cards.
47:39
Speaker 7: Right, yeah, exactly. So I mean if Devin dam Piers
47:44
Speaker 7: back in Utah, they're in the conversation. I mean, I
47:46
Speaker 7: think you're looking at probably the same teams we talked
47:48
Speaker 7: about at the end of the year BYU year two
47:51
Speaker 7: with Bret Bachmeyer, you know, even with Jay Hill gone.
47:54
Speaker 7: I expect them to be really good on defense again,
47:56
Speaker 7: and they might not need to be as good as
47:58
Speaker 7: they've been because their quarterback situation I think will be,
48:01
Speaker 7: you know, really good going into year two at Bear.
48:03
Speaker 7: I mean Texas tacks obviously the favorite, just based on
48:07
Speaker 7: their ability to acquire talent and then their ability to
48:09
Speaker 7: put that on the field. And you know, look, we
48:11
Speaker 7: saw Soersby look really good, but he has the last
48:14
Speaker 7: two seasons sort of crumbled at the end of the season.
48:17
Speaker 7: So you wonder, is that Scott Sattlefield related. Is it,
48:20
Speaker 7: you know, related to just the roster that sins that
48:22
Speaker 7: EDI's head that remains me be seen. But I think
48:24
Speaker 7: you can certainly start with the three best teams for
48:27
Speaker 7: last year. I don't see any reason why either of
48:28
Speaker 7: those you would take a step back. And then look,
48:30
Speaker 7: I mean Oklahoma State adding Drew Mestimaker, who is Eric
48:33
Speaker 7: Morris's quarterback in North Texas. Just look at Eric Morris's history,
48:37
Speaker 7: like even bad quarterbacks have career years under him, and
48:40
Speaker 7: Messa Maker looks like a legit, you know starting quarterback
48:42
Speaker 7: QB one. Kansas brought Andy Cole Nicky back. Kansas has
48:46
Speaker 7: not had a ton of success since Colin Nicky left
48:48
Speaker 7: and went to Penn State, So you know, can that
48:50
Speaker 7: help improve their offense? So I think there's you know,
48:52
Speaker 7: some other potential surprises as we move along throughout this
48:54
Speaker 7: offseason to see who else could be in that conversation,
48:57
Speaker 7: but I certainly start with the three teams that ended
48:59
Speaker 7: the season towards the top of the Big Twelve.
49:01
Speaker 3: Well, there's no such thing as a football offseason anymore.
49:04
Speaker 3: But I'm excited to keep talking through basketball and all
49:07
Speaker 3: that with you, my friend, You're the best. See take
49:10
Speaker 3: care brother, all right, Tempkin on tune in radio, you
49:13
Speaker 3: can find him on Big Twelve today. Plenty to talk
49:16
Speaker 3: about in this conference, and yes we touched on some
49:19
Speaker 3: of it there. The top free agents in the Big
49:23
Speaker 3: twelve conference and guys maybe that you could see come
49:27
Speaker 3: back to the Big Twelve Conference, including a very conspicuous
49:31
Speaker 3: former ute who's expected to put his name in the
49:34
Speaker 3: transfer portal. We'll discuss that next on the Shan O'Connell Show,
49:37
Speaker 3: ESPN seven hundred at ninety two NFM.
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Speaker 1: As you were listening to the Shan O'Connell Show from
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Speaker 1: the Murdoch Hunting Studio of ESPN seven hundred and ninety two,
49:52
Speaker 1: one happen.
50:00
Speaker 3: Seven seven three five three zero seven hundred. Do you
50:02
Speaker 3: want Cam Calhoun back? Utah football fans? Cam Calhoun transferred
50:08
Speaker 3: to Alabama late in the cycle last year post springball
50:13
Speaker 3: and did not have a great year for the Crimson Tide.
50:17
Speaker 3: In fact, the most notable thing that happened with Cam
50:20
Speaker 3: Calhoun at Alabama is he was ejected for targeting in
50:23
Speaker 3: the Iron Bowl. Played sparingly, special teamer, et cetera, et cetera.
50:30
Speaker 3: It didn't work out. So he's in the transfer portal,
50:32
Speaker 3: and I immediately saw a bunch of people all, come
50:35
Speaker 3: on back, come on back now.
50:39
Speaker 2: I want to know how long the memory.
50:41
Speaker 3: Is for coaches when it comes to this, because undoubtedly
50:44
Speaker 3: Cam Calhoun is a talented player. I will not ever
50:49
Speaker 3: say anything otherwise. I don't think Cam Calhoun as good
50:52
Speaker 3: as you probably think. Cam Calhoun is good, all right.
50:55
Speaker 3: I also had some really interesting conversations last year after
51:02
Speaker 3: Utah quote unquote lost him into the transfer portal that
51:06
Speaker 3: seemed to be really outside what the narrative was that
51:12
Speaker 3: Utah just wasn't paying enough and so cam Calhoun was
51:15
Speaker 3: going to go to a place like Alabama where he
51:17
Speaker 3: could make more money. And you got to be careful
51:22
Speaker 3: when you're feeling like your sources come from inside the program,
51:26
Speaker 3: because the program's always going to try to protect itself.
51:29
Speaker 3: And sometimes we've seen it in college sports in pro sports,
51:33
Speaker 3: where media members are used as a mouthpiece for the
51:38
Speaker 3: program to disseminate some kind of message, right, And that's
51:41
Speaker 3: why people who don't usually want to talk to you
51:43
Speaker 3: suddenly will want to talk to you about one particular
51:45
Speaker 3: story because they're doing some damage control, putting out of
51:48
Speaker 3: fire whatever.
51:49
Speaker 2: I didn't get that feeling, but.
51:52
Speaker 3: It was one of those stories where there was a
51:54
Speaker 3: lot of he said, she said going on with cam
51:58
Speaker 3: Calhoun and Utah's in particular that maybe and you see
52:04
Speaker 3: this now, and you know this happens, we saw it.
52:07
Speaker 3: The highest profile situation was the Nico Iamaliava situation with
52:12
Speaker 3: Tennessee transferring to UCLA where a guy who's got a
52:15
Speaker 3: deal right, signed a long term contract with Tennessee. Then
52:20
Speaker 3: he comes back and he just says, actually, I want
52:22
Speaker 3: more money than that, and the school is just like,
52:24
Speaker 3: what are you talking about, man, you just signed this.
52:27
Speaker 3: I was told that's what happened with cam Calhoun. Cam
52:31
Speaker 3: Calhoun made an agreement with the University of Utah. You
52:35
Speaker 3: saw the social media announcement that a Utah man of
52:37
Speaker 3: my thing whatever, and then it was just kidding, I
52:43
Speaker 3: want more, and the coaching staff again, this is what
52:47
Speaker 3: I was told. People in the program were like, we're
52:50
Speaker 3: not gonna be held We don't negotiate with terrorists. Okay,
52:53
Speaker 3: we're not gonna be held hostage, even by a guy
52:57
Speaker 3: who's this talented. And so they were just like, all right, man,
53:02
Speaker 3: you can play for us on this deal, or if
53:04
Speaker 3: you really want to, you can go somewhere else. And
53:09
Speaker 3: if cam Calhoun comes back, we'll ask him whether it
53:12
Speaker 3: worked out for him.
53:12
Speaker 2: But I was even told that.
53:13
Speaker 3: What he ended up taking at Alabama was less than
53:17
Speaker 3: what he was going to make at the University of Utah,
53:19
Speaker 3: and that to me feels a lot less important, even than.
53:23
Speaker 2: The fact that the year you had.
53:24
Speaker 3: You just sacrificed a year of your college football eligibility
53:28
Speaker 3: to be a dude on a Crimson Tide team that
53:32
Speaker 3: obviously had a better year than Utah did. They ended
53:35
Speaker 3: up being, you know, slightly better, but you weren't the
53:40
Speaker 3: reason for that. You weren't a big part of that.
53:43
Speaker 3: And we get so wrapped up in these contracts, these
53:45
Speaker 3: nil deals, this money, that it's easy to forget that
53:50
Speaker 3: if you're not playing, if you're not furthering your development,
53:55
Speaker 3: if you're not Cam Calhoun's a guy who wants to
53:57
Speaker 3: play in the NFL and has the athletic that he'll
54:01
Speaker 3: probably at least get a chance to play in the NFL.
54:04
Speaker 3: A guy like that doesn't have time to waste and
54:07
Speaker 3: cannot cannot look at this year where he said, yeah,
54:11
Speaker 3: I would rather be at Alabama. Oh wait, I had
54:19
Speaker 3: seven tackles this year at Alabama. I played thirteen percent
54:24
Speaker 3: of the defensive snaps and played mostly on special teams.
54:28
Speaker 2: And the biggest thing on tape that I put out
54:30
Speaker 2: there was a targeting.
54:31
Speaker 3: It was actually a really nice hit, but you just
54:33
Speaker 3: did it with the crown of the helmet to the
54:35
Speaker 3: side of a guy's head, like you can't. You can
54:38
Speaker 3: find ways to get money, you can't get time back.
54:42
Speaker 2: Right.
54:43
Speaker 3: So this is, I think is an example of one
54:45
Speaker 3: of those really hard learned lessons that the Transfer Portal
54:49
Speaker 3: we're not going to see highlighted, James. Maybe this is
54:52
Speaker 3: how you and I become multimillionaires. Maybe we create a
54:56
Speaker 3: series for Netflix like the Cautionariy retails of the Transfer Portal,
55:01
Speaker 3: where we go and we actually highlight these things.
55:04
Speaker 4: Hey, get the Westwood one, it's the Cautionary Tales.
55:08
Speaker 3: I just I feel like that's what this is and
55:11
Speaker 3: that and now I want to know. If you're Utah,
55:14
Speaker 3: are you saying come on back, Cab Calhoun. And I'm
55:17
Speaker 3: not talking about Utah fans all of you are saying yes, yeah,
55:20
Speaker 3: I'm talking about if you're Morgan Scally, if you're Sharif Shaw.
55:25
Speaker 3: And Shariff Shaw has a connection with these guys, and
55:27
Speaker 3: Shariff Shaw is a better human being than pretty much
55:29
Speaker 3: all of us, so he probably is. Just like, you're
55:32
Speaker 3: a young man, you made a mistake, No big deal,
55:36
Speaker 3: come on back, breag brother.
55:37
Speaker 2: Big Brother's gonna take care of you. We'll make sure
55:39
Speaker 2: we get you a little bit of money.
55:40
Speaker 3: We'll get you on the field, I'm gonna develop you
55:43
Speaker 3: and I'm gonna turn you into an NFL corner. Let's
55:45
Speaker 3: do this thing like I can see that happening. Yeah,
55:48
Speaker 3: I imagine Sharif Shaw is all on board with something
55:50
Speaker 3: like that, But I don't know if you're all in
55:55
Speaker 3: or in the way and you decide nom just kidding.
55:57
Speaker 3: I know, I told you I'd play for whatever it
55:59
Speaker 3: was too three hundred grand, but I want five. And
56:03
Speaker 3: then so the program had to be like, oh, man,
56:05
Speaker 3: is that coloring far enough outside the lines of family
56:09
Speaker 3: and team culture that now you got to burn that bridge?
56:12
Speaker 2: I don't think so.
56:14
Speaker 3: But it's one of those things where, man, do you
56:17
Speaker 3: want cam Calhoun back just because he's talented.
56:23
Speaker 2: I mean, it's hard to find great corners.
56:26
Speaker 3: By the way, he could have sealed the BYU victory
56:29
Speaker 3: for you last year after the penalty if he had
56:32
Speaker 3: just not let an interception slip through both hands touched
56:36
Speaker 3: the ball.
56:37
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was man so so close to making that
56:42
Speaker 4: game turning out the way that you wanted it to
56:45
Speaker 4: Utah fans, even after the controversial By the.
56:49
Speaker 3: Way, revisionist history is a poisonous fruit, so I shouldn't
56:54
Speaker 3: even say this, that would have been James the loudest,
56:57
Speaker 3: craziest moment potentially in the history of Rice Cycles. So
57:01
Speaker 3: if he had pulled down that interception to seal that
57:03
Speaker 3: game and win it, after every fan in the place
57:07
Speaker 3: had booed so lustily at the referees, it was just
57:10
Speaker 3: so lathered up, so angry, so mad that that drive
57:14
Speaker 3: was continuing. If them cam Calhoun just shuts that thing
57:18
Speaker 3: down two plays later with an interception, the roof that
57:21
Speaker 3: doesn't even exist would have blown off the place.
57:23
Speaker 4: Yeah, the proverbial roof would have blown off the place.
57:26
Speaker 2: He didn't, and I'll forgive him for it.
57:29
Speaker 3: Louder than so here's the list that I keep hearing
57:32
Speaker 3: from people who followed the program a lot longer than
57:34
Speaker 3: I have, and people like you who were part of
57:37
Speaker 3: the program. The the moments that were the loudest and
57:41
Speaker 3: rice Cycle stadium history. Maybe during the Kywhittingham era, the
57:44
Speaker 3: Burton block, Britain Covey's punt return, yes, Jason Shelley's touchdown
57:52
Speaker 3: in the twenty eighteen comeback against BYU, and Cam Rising's
57:57
Speaker 3: two point conversion against US.
57:58
Speaker 2: That's the one that's loudest. One that's the loudest one.
58:01
Speaker 3: Okay, those are the four that I always hear bandied
58:04
Speaker 3: about when we talk about what's the loudest ri cycle
58:06
Speaker 3: seams every minute, It's been those four. So you you
58:08
Speaker 3: say Cam, Cam, also Devin Dan Pierre again, think Cam
58:13
Speaker 3: Calhoun would have beat out Cam Devin when Devin, when
58:18
Speaker 3: Devin took that keeper whatever it was, fifty four yards
58:21
Speaker 3: down to the goal line, even even a Kansas State game,
58:25
Speaker 3: even with a.
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Speaker 4: Lot less people in there because they left early.
58:28
Speaker 3: Loud, right, So I will say this about the Cam
58:31
Speaker 3: Rising touchdown in two point conversion, James, I was down
58:35
Speaker 3: there on the sideline in the end.
58:37
Speaker 2: Zone, right, you were you close to Porter?
58:39
Speaker 3: Because Porter says he is his Mic broke or Mike
58:41
Speaker 3: flag broke because of because he ran into him. I
58:45
Speaker 3: was close to Port. I wasn't next to him, but
58:47
Speaker 3: I was in that same vicinity. I think I was
58:49
Speaker 3: standing next to to Bartle He who shall not be
58:51
Speaker 3: named love you. There's no You're not Baltimore on this show.
58:57
Speaker 3: I promise Artle Mortz. You know you know how you
59:03
Speaker 3: when you're watching a crazy game like that on television,
59:09
Speaker 3: the camera will shake from the sound, the stadium will
59:12
Speaker 3: actually physically shake, so the picture will get a little
59:14
Speaker 3: bit funky. Yeah, because you know the kick six Auburn,
59:19
Speaker 3: Alabama whatever, like, it gets so crazy loud that it's
59:21
Speaker 3: just like it affects the actual technology. I was looking
59:28
Speaker 3: through my own eyeballs. I was standing there on the
59:33
Speaker 3: sideline James in that end zone watching it happen, and
59:38
Speaker 3: that same effect was going on.
59:40
Speaker 2: It's like the sound.
59:41
Speaker 3: Waves were beating down onto my brain to where I
59:45
Speaker 3: was like, WHOA, is it my vision a little bit
59:47
Speaker 3: blurry because of this? It was It was the sound
59:51
Speaker 3: was a physical thing. It was not just a moment
59:57
Speaker 3: that you could hear. It was like a thing you
59:59
Speaker 3: could feel. It's like standing in front of the subwifer
1:00:04
Speaker 3: at a concert where you could feel it in your chest.
1:00:07
Speaker 2: It rattles the back of your teeth.
1:00:09
Speaker 3: It was exactly like that, to where if you were
1:00:12
Speaker 3: standing down there, it was shaking you your brain something.
1:00:16
Speaker 2: You felt that vibration. It was wild.
1:00:19
Speaker 4: By the way, hopefully everyone enjoyed re listening to that
1:00:22
Speaker 4: as we as we honored Kyle Whittingham. I know some
1:00:24
Speaker 4: of you don't want to honor Kyle Whittingham anymore, but
1:00:28
Speaker 4: we still have fond memories.
1:00:30
Speaker 2: Of his twenty one years at Utah.
1:00:32
Speaker 3: Jordan Aldridge says loudest was TCU two thousand and eight
1:00:35
Speaker 3: Freddie Brown touchdown.
1:00:37
Speaker 2: I actually was not in the building for that one.
1:00:39
Speaker 2: Were you not?
1:00:40
Speaker 5: No?
1:00:42
Speaker 2: Were you still? I wasn't there for I wasn't there
1:00:44
Speaker 2: for the Burton block either. Was that the end of
1:00:46
Speaker 2: your was? O?
1:00:47
Speaker 9: Wait?
1:00:48
Speaker 2: Were you still at Weaver State? Wash? Six?
1:00:50
Speaker 6: Oh six?
1:00:51
Speaker 2: Was at Weaver State?
1:00:52
Speaker 6: So? Oh wait? I was?
1:00:53
Speaker 2: I was around? Oh wait?
1:00:55
Speaker 3: I think I think I was out of town cornering
1:00:58
Speaker 3: a fight. Okay, that week I think is out?
1:01:00
Speaker 6: What was O? Wait?
1:01:02
Speaker 4: When was the beginning of your like as you started
1:01:06
Speaker 4: your fight career?
1:01:08
Speaker 2: Seven seven? Okay, so that was a year or so
1:01:10
Speaker 2: into your.
1:01:13
Speaker 7: Yeah.
1:01:13
Speaker 3: So my first fight was April of two thousand and seven,
1:01:16
Speaker 3: and I fought seven times in two thousand and seven.
1:01:19
Speaker 4: A right, so I fought like once a month. So
1:01:22
Speaker 4: you were invested. You were fully invested into that, trying
1:01:25
Speaker 4: to make it into this into this new sport enough
1:01:28
Speaker 4: where you're like, I'm not going every home game?
1:01:30
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it was is it? I wasn't working
1:01:33
Speaker 3: in radio yet, yeah, so it was, Uh, you were
1:01:36
Speaker 3: doing that was what I was doing. Wait, TCU, that's
1:01:40
Speaker 3: I failed to mention that one. That is another one
1:01:42
Speaker 3: the blackout games. And then what everyone talks about, Oh
1:01:44
Speaker 3: that O wait, blackout game so good and it really
1:01:48
Speaker 3: was an incredible comeback win for them eight seven seven
1:01:52
Speaker 3: three five three zero seven hundred bounce back players. Look,
1:01:57
Speaker 3: Nate Johnson came back from Vanderbilt, and everyone was like, oh,
1:01:59
Speaker 3: cool Nate Johnson, and I think we rooted for it,
1:02:02
Speaker 3: and it was cool to see when he did get
1:02:03
Speaker 3: touches and I put that put that athleticism on display.
1:02:06
Speaker 2: It's great.
1:02:07
Speaker 3: Nate Johnson's departure and cam Calhoun's departure were a little
1:02:10
Speaker 3: bit different in my mind. But again, I fully acknowledged
1:02:14
Speaker 3: the fact that if I'm getting information that serves the
1:02:18
Speaker 3: program to disseminate and like, I have these feelings because
1:02:22
Speaker 3: of that, it doesn't mean the fan base feels that way.
1:02:25
Speaker 3: And even if the team felt that way a year ago,
1:02:29
Speaker 3: and not even a full year ago, life moves so
1:02:32
Speaker 3: fast now you're just like, hey, man, give me every
1:02:36
Speaker 3: talented player.
1:02:36
Speaker 2: I can't.
1:02:37
Speaker 3: And look, maybe maybe cam Calhoun didn't want to play
1:02:39
Speaker 3: for Kyle Whittingham, but he does want to play for
1:02:41
Speaker 3: Morgan's scaley that I.
1:02:43
Speaker 4: Was just going to bring that up. It could have been.
1:02:45
Speaker 4: It very well could have been. Kyle Whittingham's voice was
1:02:48
Speaker 4: the loudest and they're like, no, he's in the way now,
1:02:52
Speaker 4: and maybe Morgan was. Maybe Morgan felt that way, felt
1:02:56
Speaker 4: that way too, but maybe not as strongly as Kyle Whittingham.
1:02:58
Speaker 2: That could have been the case. We don't know. But
1:03:02
Speaker 2: that's just one example.
1:03:03
Speaker 3: There's there's gonna be plenty of guys that either they
1:03:06
Speaker 3: played for a different team and you hated him because
1:03:09
Speaker 3: he was on that team, but now he's in the
1:03:11
Speaker 3: transfer portal, it's like, oh, now I want you. I
1:03:13
Speaker 3: want that guy, right, or these bounce back players is
1:03:17
Speaker 3: a real possible. McKay Hillstead, the former Utah State quarterback
1:03:22
Speaker 3: who transferred to BYU.
1:03:24
Speaker 2: Guess where he's reportedly visiting today, Utah State.
1:03:28
Speaker 4: He's like, hold on Bryce and Barnes is gone now
1:03:30
Speaker 4: it's uh, I want to be Bronco's all time favorite player.
1:03:33
Speaker 2: Which I don't know why you need to go visit
1:03:35
Speaker 2: Logan again.
1:03:36
Speaker 3: If you're McKay hills says, just formality, Hey, maybe maybe
1:03:40
Speaker 3: you I got a free meal out of this, yeah,
1:03:43
Speaker 3: or maybe.
1:03:44
Speaker 2: You just have to call it a visit even if
1:03:46
Speaker 2: you're not visiting.
1:03:47
Speaker 3: You're just like, I, okay, we'll say just just put
1:03:50
Speaker 3: down January fifth is my visit. Okay, you go up there.
1:03:55
Speaker 3: He's like, Yep, looks the same. I mean, I guess
1:03:58
Speaker 3: it's a chance to Is that a new they build
1:04:01
Speaker 3: a new crumbled cookie up here?
1:04:02
Speaker 2: Wow? I guess it's a chance to have some FaceTime
1:04:06
Speaker 2: with Bronco. It was not his coach. That's obviously the
1:04:08
Speaker 2: big deal.
1:04:09
Speaker 3: Right, you're going and you're having a conversation with a
1:04:12
Speaker 3: guy that maybe you would have stayed and played for
1:04:16
Speaker 3: had he you know what that situation was going to be, right,
1:04:19
Speaker 3: you don't. You're not talking to Kevin mcgiven because he's
1:04:22
Speaker 3: at the University of Utah. Now, it moves so fast
1:04:26
Speaker 3: this time of year, and we are in day three
1:04:30
Speaker 3: of the transfer portal. No Devin damn Peer announcement, no
1:04:37
Speaker 3: bird Fickling announcement.
1:04:38
Speaker 4: By the way we have been we have efforted to
1:04:41
Speaker 4: get one more conversation with with Devon. As of Friday,
1:04:47
Speaker 4: he had said he might have had some time. Unfortunately
1:04:51
Speaker 4: we're not able to make it happen, So we've been
1:04:52
Speaker 4: trying to get his gauge on where what he might
1:04:56
Speaker 4: be doing. Devin, if you're if you're available, please, we'd
1:05:00
Speaker 4: love to have you on. But just to let everyone
1:05:02
Speaker 4: know it's not we've been trying to get Devon on
1:05:05
Speaker 4: the show, and we I assume, oh see, you would
1:05:07
Speaker 4: have asked him the point of question. Hey, so he's
1:05:09
Speaker 4: staying and I'm sure you'd have given us some non answer.
1:05:14
Speaker 3: But because he's been masterful at handling that right, he's
1:05:17
Speaker 3: been asked many times now, so do you plan on standing?
1:05:19
Speaker 3: He's like, I love wearing red. I've really enjoyed being
1:05:22
Speaker 3: a YOUT I love this school. I love my team
1:05:25
Speaker 3: like he Devin. I will say this, I really do
1:05:29
Speaker 3: hope Devin dan Pier is back at the University of
1:05:31
Speaker 3: Utah next year. If he's not, I will only wish
1:05:35
Speaker 3: him well for the remainder of his football career. Absolutely
1:05:39
Speaker 3: incredible guy, classy, really really great and great to work with.
1:05:43
Speaker 3: As we've been arranging these these audition with Devin interviews,
1:05:47
Speaker 3: outstanding like the guys I mean, and when it comes
1:05:51
Speaker 3: to this kind of thing, you have to just acquiesce
1:05:53
Speaker 3: to Hey, Guy's busier than he than I am, all
1:05:56
Speaker 3: right and and totally fine that he hasn't been able
1:05:59
Speaker 3: to We haven't been able to connect that way, but
1:06:02
Speaker 3: I just wanted to let everyone know. I'm sure there's
1:06:04
Speaker 3: people wondering, like, hey, how come you guys who have
1:06:07
Speaker 3: the exclusive with Devin dan Pere haven't Devin dan Pier
1:06:09
Speaker 3: haven't been able to do it. We've had trouble making
1:06:13
Speaker 3: it happen. Let's see, according to Blair Angulo Smith Snowden,
1:06:19
Speaker 3: we'll be visiting Colorado.
1:06:21
Speaker 2: What are you doing? Smith?
1:06:23
Speaker 3: You're gonna go to Colorado? Colorado BYU Michigan, Georgia and
1:06:31
Speaker 3: Oregon all planned. That's quite the list of Blue Blood's
1:06:37
Speaker 3: Colorado aside.
1:06:38
Speaker 2: Here's the thing.
1:06:40
Speaker 3: I love this when there's that sesame street game. One
1:06:43
Speaker 3: of these things is not like the other. Colorado doesn't
1:06:46
Speaker 3: belong anywhere near that list. Now, it would be great
1:06:49
Speaker 3: if you're a corner to go play for Coach Prime.
1:06:54
Speaker 3: Just do a clinic, though you don't want to be
1:06:56
Speaker 3: stuck in Boulder for a whole season.
1:07:00
Speaker 2: Win in three to five games. Who that is?
1:07:04
Speaker 4: Well, while your former team is might just be competing
1:07:08
Speaker 4: for a Big twelve title.
1:07:09
Speaker 2: If not winning it again next year.
1:07:11
Speaker 3: A lot of a lot of people saying that Michigan
1:07:14
Speaker 3: is the most likely landing spot. I think that Oregon
1:07:18
Speaker 3: is really really in play for SMAs note and BYU
1:07:21
Speaker 3: feels like they've got a shot absolutely. I mean last
1:07:25
Speaker 3: week what I say, he's gonna, He's gonna. That's gotta
1:07:28
Speaker 3: be a strong poll for him.
1:07:30
Speaker 4: If BYU shows interest, which you knew they were going to,
1:07:33
Speaker 4: given that he would be a legacy for the Cougars.
1:07:37
Speaker 2: Has Kalana hired a defensive coordinator yet, not that I've seen.
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Speaker 3: The college football calendar doesn't really slow down anymore.
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Speaker 2: In the off season.
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Speaker 3: The offseason that for Utah will be one of the
1:08:37
Speaker 3: most uncertain and interesting in recent memory. As Morgan Scalley
1:08:42
Speaker 3: has taken over head coaching position we have. By the way,
1:08:45
Speaker 3: we've put in our official request to catch up with
1:08:47
Speaker 3: Morgan Scalley. Hopefully we get the first interview with him.
1:08:51
Speaker 3: Hopefully we get him sooner than later. I will say,
1:08:54
Speaker 3: I want him doing what he's doing right now, and
1:08:57
Speaker 3: I want him as much as I want him to
1:08:59
Speaker 3: come on the show, I want him to be managing
1:09:01
Speaker 3: his roster and seeing what he can retain and what
1:09:04
Speaker 3: the situation is going to be like. Because I said
1:09:08
Speaker 3: it last week we were talking about the offensive coordinator
1:09:10
Speaker 3: spot in particular.
1:09:13
Speaker 2: You don't.
1:09:15
Speaker 3: You don't find coaches in college football, or in NFL
1:09:18
Speaker 3: football for that matter, who are actually truly able to
1:09:22
Speaker 3: overcome roster deficits like not in a significant way. There
1:09:28
Speaker 3: are coaches, better coaches who when you have a little
1:09:31
Speaker 3: bit of an injury situation or maybe one particular position
1:09:35
Speaker 3: group in one particular year is not stellar or as
1:09:39
Speaker 3: has been the case at the University of Utah. I
1:09:41
Speaker 3: hate to say it historically, We've got to say historically
1:09:45
Speaker 3: now because it's been twenty years, twenty plus years, you
1:09:48
Speaker 3: don't really have the same wide receivers as other programs have.
1:09:54
Speaker 3: You can sometimes overcome that, but what you're not going
1:09:56
Speaker 3: to find and we saw Stark Stark Evan this in
1:10:00
Speaker 3: the twenty twenty four season. Doesn't matter how good you
1:10:05
Speaker 3: are as a coach. It really doesn't if you don't
1:10:07
Speaker 3: have the horses, if you don't have the players. Right,
1:10:11
Speaker 3: the trainer and the jockey in the Kentucky Derby matter,
1:10:14
Speaker 3: but they don't matter as much as the horse does.
1:10:17
Speaker 3: And that is true in college football as well, which
1:10:20
Speaker 3: is why you don't like to see talented guys like
1:10:22
Speaker 3: Smith Snowden often the transfer portal doing this publicity tour
1:10:26
Speaker 3: and visiting Colorado BYU Georgia Oregon.
1:10:30
Speaker 2: I mean, good for him.
1:10:31
Speaker 3: I want him to get paid. He was already getting
1:10:33
Speaker 3: paid at the University of Utah. You want to see
1:10:35
Speaker 3: kids be successful. You want to have good young men
1:10:38
Speaker 3: end up with a nice little nest egg to head
1:10:40
Speaker 3: out into the world. I bear no ill will for
1:10:43
Speaker 3: Smith Noden if he ends up anywhere. I don't want
1:10:48
Speaker 3: to see him in a bi I don't think the
1:10:51
Speaker 3: fan base will share that sentiment with you. If he
1:10:54
Speaker 3: ends up at his dad's alma mater. I mean, you
1:10:57
Speaker 3: know what's really interesting is there's a certain local minority,
1:11:00
Speaker 3: this fan base who I think now hates Michigan more
1:11:03
Speaker 3: than the hate BYU.
1:11:05
Speaker 4: They might hate Kyle whitting more than the hate BYU.
1:11:08
Speaker 2: That's it, That's what I mean.
1:11:09
Speaker 4: You see some of the stuff online on'm my goodness, gracious.
1:11:13
Speaker 2: There are I don't know. I would like to know.
1:11:15
Speaker 2: I wish we could do a poll, James.
1:11:16
Speaker 3: Maybe you could help me construct one to get the
1:11:19
Speaker 3: actual number of Utah fans who are just like all
1:11:23
Speaker 3: the way off the Kyle Whittingham bandwagon.
1:11:25
Speaker 2: They actually hate him.
1:11:26
Speaker 4: Now hey he's uh, he's not all in Utah anymore.
1:11:29
Speaker 2: So he is in the way.
1:11:30
Speaker 7: I get it.
1:11:31
Speaker 3: I get it, Like this is the world of college
1:11:33
Speaker 3: football Spence. Spence says the show started on Friday. He
1:11:38
Speaker 3: did a good job of kind of articulating and laying
1:11:40
Speaker 3: it out. He's just like, we have been so protected
1:11:43
Speaker 3: from this that people don't know how to handle it.
1:11:47
Speaker 3: Whereas like the Utah State fans of the world, they
1:11:52
Speaker 3: they sit back and they're just like, oh, Utah fans
1:11:56
Speaker 3: first time, Yeah, oh see first that you've seen your
1:12:01
Speaker 3: successful coaches take other jobs, Maybe pillage the program on
1:12:06
Speaker 3: the way out the door, Maybe go somewhere in state.
1:12:08
Speaker 3: Even you don't like that you don't know what it
1:12:11
Speaker 3: feels like. This is every year for us.
1:12:14
Speaker 4: Welcome back, I mean, welcome back to the group of
1:12:17
Speaker 4: five non BCS mindset that we're currently in up in
1:12:23
Speaker 4: Aggie Land, the Aggie fans aside, and specifically in college
1:12:27
Speaker 4: athletics O see men's basketball in particular in college football.
1:12:33
Speaker 4: I would argue, and maybe Spence made a touched on
1:12:36
Speaker 4: this on a show on Friday even I would argue
1:12:40
Speaker 4: that sports fans in Utah, no matter what your favorite
1:12:44
Speaker 4: team is, especially outside of college athletics, are have been
1:12:48
Speaker 4: insulated from this. You think about the Utah Jazz since
1:12:51
Speaker 4: they've been in Utah nineteen eighty, what five coaches and
1:12:57
Speaker 4: every one it seems like there's a couple of excps,
1:13:00
Speaker 4: but seemed like every one of them was the head
1:13:02
Speaker 4: coach for at least eight years. Right, That doesn't happen
1:13:05
Speaker 4: anywhere else in the NBA. You think about Lavelle Edwards
1:13:09
Speaker 4: stint at BYU. You think about Kyle Whittingham stint that
1:13:12
Speaker 4: just ended here at the University of Utah. I mean
1:13:14
Speaker 4: there's so I mean RSL's had had head coaching UH
1:13:19
Speaker 4: changes a lot.
1:13:20
Speaker 3: The hockey teams knew, but the we keep our own
1:13:23
Speaker 3: here unlike might anywhere else in the country.
1:13:27
Speaker 2: I think that might be.
1:13:28
Speaker 3: So my wife she's on this kick where she's like,
1:13:31
Speaker 3: you you talking about me. She's like, you hate change.
1:13:35
Speaker 3: I'm like, what do you mean I hate change? From Utah,
1:13:37
Speaker 3: we don't change. I don't hate change. I'm fine with change.
1:13:40
Speaker 3: She's like, no, you hate change, man, I don't like it.
1:13:42
Speaker 2: Left that one.
1:13:43
Speaker 4: By the way, Kilane's been at BYU for over a
1:13:45
Speaker 4: decade at this point, right, move on.
1:13:47
Speaker 2: But that's your point is well made. And I'm just like, no,
1:13:51
Speaker 2: I'm fine with change. She's like, no, you are not
1:13:53
Speaker 2: fine with change.
1:13:54
Speaker 6: Now.
1:13:54
Speaker 3: In the context of these conversations with my wife, it's
1:13:57
Speaker 3: like she wants to buy a new couch to years
1:14:00
Speaker 3: after we already bought a new couch, and I'm.
1:14:01
Speaker 2: Just like, no, leave it alone. She's like, see, you
1:14:04
Speaker 2: hate change, but I do kind of hate.
1:14:06
Speaker 3: In the context for sports, I'm like, look, man, leave
1:14:10
Speaker 3: it alone.
1:14:11
Speaker 2: Marinate.
1:14:12
Speaker 4: He had a bit, he had one bad year. Let
1:14:14
Speaker 4: him try to bounce back.
1:14:15
Speaker 3: Like, let's see how this goes. And by the way,
1:14:19
Speaker 3: that's there's a reason why the transfer portal is. She
1:14:24
Speaker 3: is seeing all these guys at like a James Madison
1:14:28
Speaker 3: at an Eastern Kentucky at a North Texas at an
1:14:32
Speaker 3: Incarnate Word, and then a Washington State that climbed the
1:14:35
Speaker 3: ladder and end up being the best players in college football.
1:14:38
Speaker 3: Because we should be patient. We're not, but we should
1:14:44
Speaker 3: be patient. We should allow for development and growth. There
1:14:48
Speaker 3: was a time in college football, James, and it wasn't
1:14:50
Speaker 3: all that long ago where you had never seen the
1:14:54
Speaker 3: high school athletes that were coming to play for your school.
1:14:57
Speaker 3: You had never seen them. You didn't know what damn
1:15:00
Speaker 3: thing about him. They didn't their their film was not
1:15:03
Speaker 3: available online.
1:15:04
Speaker 2: This is when I was in high school.
1:15:07
Speaker 3: The internet was not robust enough and your dial up
1:15:10
Speaker 3: speed was not worth you sitting in front of your
1:15:12
Speaker 3: computer for five hours to watch Haloti not.
1:15:15
Speaker 2: To play football.
1:15:17
Speaker 3: The reason that you knew who he was if you
1:15:19
Speaker 3: were an Oregon fan or a BYU fan, maybe you
1:15:23
Speaker 3: saw him, or a Utah fan, maybe you saw him.
1:15:25
Speaker 2: But if you're an Oregon fan or a Nebraska fan.
1:15:28
Speaker 3: The reason you knew who he was is because your
1:15:30
Speaker 3: coaches told you he was a good player and said,
1:15:34
Speaker 3: we're offering this kid a scholarship so you were like, oh,
1:15:36
Speaker 3: I want him. Let me find out more about that guy.
1:15:39
Speaker 3: Oh wow, he was a three time all state player
1:15:42
Speaker 3: at Highland High School.
1:15:43
Speaker 2: Whatever. That's all you knew.
1:15:49
Speaker 3: It was not that long ago where you had no
1:15:52
Speaker 3: idea what to expect from freshmen, and the Norman College
1:15:55
Speaker 3: football at that time and then many decades before, was
1:15:59
Speaker 3: that freshman aren't gonna play, They're gonna red shirt. You
1:16:03
Speaker 3: remember when true freshman Adrian Peterson was just dominating everybody right,
1:16:09
Speaker 3: and people were just like, this is a true freshman.
1:16:12
Speaker 2: We have never seen this. What is going on here?
1:16:15
Speaker 2: Adrian Peters? Holy cow, he was something else.
1:16:18
Speaker 3: Maurice clearrat same things, like when they were young players
1:16:20
Speaker 3: who were dominating, and it's like, this says only the
1:16:24
Speaker 3: sixth time and one and fifteen years that a true
1:16:27
Speaker 3: freshman has had over a thousand yards. You're just like,
1:16:30
Speaker 3: what young guys didn't play, So you didn't know. As
1:16:33
Speaker 3: a fan base, the patience was a natural thing for you.
1:16:38
Speaker 3: The red shirt year. You knew nothing about the guy.
1:16:40
Speaker 3: You were excited about his signing with your school, and
1:16:43
Speaker 3: they didn't know anything about him. For two more years,
1:16:46
Speaker 3: they're like, oh, look, he made a tackle on special teams.
1:16:49
Speaker 2: Oh look, now he's getting Now he's a rotational player.
1:16:52
Speaker 3: And there were outliers, obviously, the truly special freaks that
1:16:56
Speaker 3: you got to enjoy from the time they were freshmen.
1:16:58
Speaker 3: But patients in the college football world has just been
1:17:02
Speaker 3: this thing that was foisted upon us until the Internet
1:17:04
Speaker 3: ruined it. Until access to high school film and every
1:17:09
Speaker 3: possible website and every possible article meant that if you're
1:17:13
Speaker 3: Isaac Wilson, you better show up and you better play
1:17:17
Speaker 3: exactly how you did at Corner Canyon High School. And
1:17:20
Speaker 3: all of us expected that, and when it didn't happen,
1:17:24
Speaker 3: it was just like, Oh, this guy sucks and that's
1:17:28
Speaker 3: not true, and he's gonna transfer somewhere else. Did we
1:17:32
Speaker 3: get news about don I don't know. He should go
1:17:35
Speaker 3: to Weaver State and play for Eric Carritt. That's what
1:17:37
Speaker 3: he should wait for, his coach who made him a
1:17:39
Speaker 3: fort star recruit. But these guys that now are kind
1:17:45
Speaker 3: of like, Oh, you're not You're not Adrian Peterson, right,
1:17:49
Speaker 3: so I'm not even gonna recruit you to Oklahoma anymore.
1:17:52
Speaker 2: Okay, you're a little.
1:17:53
Speaker 3: Too skinny, so I'm not even Your film is not
1:17:57
Speaker 3: impressive enough, so I'm gonna send you or let somebody
1:18:01
Speaker 3: from Western Kentucky have you. I'm gonna let North Texas
1:18:05
Speaker 3: get you. And now that the transfer portal exists, you're
1:18:09
Speaker 3: gonna play there. Right, You're gonna get reps as a
1:18:12
Speaker 3: true freshman because that's an FBS or excuse me, an
1:18:16
Speaker 3: FCS school or that's a Group of five school and
1:18:19
Speaker 3: you're the best thing that they can access there.
1:18:21
Speaker 2: So you're gonna play there.
1:18:22
Speaker 3: You're gonna get reps, you're gonna develop, you're gonna get better.
1:18:25
Speaker 3: Oh look at this after your sophomore year. Now I'm
1:18:29
Speaker 3: the coach who is already at this cathedral of college football.
1:18:33
Speaker 3: I've got the Nile funds, and I don't need to
1:18:36
Speaker 3: be patient because I can just swoop in and steal
1:18:38
Speaker 3: a product that was developed by somebody else. And maybe
1:18:41
Speaker 3: I'll be gracious enough to bring that guy along. I'll
1:18:44
Speaker 3: give him a job and you can follow him. Like
1:18:47
Speaker 3: the patience thing is gone in college football, and it's
1:18:50
Speaker 3: something that we just we've forgotten because we're like, oh, yeah,
1:18:53
Speaker 3: these guys transfer portal, get Camp Scataboo, Sacramento State, and
1:18:58
Speaker 3: then Arizona Like Camp scout camp. Skataboo should have been
1:19:03
Speaker 3: in a regular world, should have been a player at
1:19:07
Speaker 3: the University of Utah at Arizona State in the first place,
1:19:11
Speaker 3: who sat as a freshman and then went maybe a
1:19:15
Speaker 3: special team guy his sophomore year, and then all of
1:19:17
Speaker 3: a sudden got the size and the strength and the
1:19:21
Speaker 3: reps and the opportunity and ended up.
1:19:25
Speaker 2: But like now we just are like no transferport, what
1:19:28
Speaker 2: is it?
1:19:29
Speaker 7: What is it?
1:19:29
Speaker 2: What is it?
1:19:29
Speaker 7: What is it?
1:19:30
Speaker 3: And because of that, a developmental program like the University
1:19:34
Speaker 3: of Utah finds itself in this really weird place where
1:19:40
Speaker 3: you made your hay even before Kyle Whittingham was the
1:19:44
Speaker 3: head coach, as when Ron McBride was the head coach,
1:19:47
Speaker 3: you were the team that identified the six foot five inch,
1:19:52
Speaker 3: two hundred and fifteen pound tight end from whatever school
1:19:57
Speaker 3: and you brought him in and two years later you
1:20:00
Speaker 3: had yourself an All American candidate at defensive end because
1:20:07
Speaker 3: you had the vision, you had the coaching ability, you
1:20:09
Speaker 3: had the opportunity. And now those developmental programs have to
1:20:15
Speaker 3: find a way to be not that, no, we're not
1:20:18
Speaker 3: a developmental we want to be, but you're not patient
1:20:22
Speaker 3: enough as a parent as a player as a fan
1:20:26
Speaker 3: to allow us to be that anymore.
1:20:28
Speaker 2: So instead, what we have to be is we have
1:20:30
Speaker 2: to be a keep up with the Joneses.
1:20:32
Speaker 3: Spend the nil money, get these guys out of the
1:20:35
Speaker 3: transfer portal type program. And it's a really odd place
1:20:38
Speaker 3: for Utah football to be in. Because Morgan Scally came
1:20:44
Speaker 3: up twenty one years he was that guy, great running
1:20:50
Speaker 3: back in high school, unbelievable player. No, we want you
1:20:58
Speaker 3: to play defense, I don't know man defense, and it'll
1:21:01
Speaker 3: be the defensive player of the year in the conference
1:21:03
Speaker 3: because of the vision of a coaching staff that knew
1:21:06
Speaker 3: how to develop him. Anyway, college football has changed in
1:21:15
Speaker 3: a way that the identity of your program, your family culture,
1:21:22
Speaker 3: we will do more with less. You can still do it,
1:21:25
Speaker 3: but you have to do it differently, even than Utah
1:21:27
Speaker 3: football has ever done it. So again, optimism, certainly, but
1:21:31
Speaker 3: there is uncertainty here in this era of college football
1:21:37
Speaker 3: with Morgan Scaley taken over in a place where now
1:21:40
Speaker 3: you have to, like in order to keep a guy
1:21:43
Speaker 3: that you've developed, like Smith Snowden, you have to be
1:21:47
Speaker 3: able to pay him what Michigan, Oregon, Georgia and BYU
1:21:52
Speaker 3: can pay him, and that's not reality for Utah right now.
1:21:58
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Speaker 3: Daily Dump Miles Garrett sets the single season sack record
1:23:14
Speaker 3: twenty third sack of the year and it happens against
1:23:18
Speaker 3: the Bengals Joe Burrow. It was twenty eighteen Browns seventeen
1:23:24
Speaker 3: to twelve at the time of the sack itself. And
1:23:29
Speaker 3: why are they always so underwhelming these record setting sacks.
1:23:33
Speaker 3: It's never like this beautiful play, big hit for fumble.
1:23:37
Speaker 3: It's like the quarterbacks, Ah, it just falls down.
1:23:41
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, I was just gonna ask you this.
1:23:43
Speaker 4: So see, there are those on the deepest corners of
1:23:47
Speaker 4: the internet and elsewhere. I heard is a Kyle Brandt
1:23:51
Speaker 4: from NFL Network does his hit with Scott Van Pelt
1:23:55
Speaker 4: on Sports Center, and he's among these people that got
1:24:00
Speaker 4: their tinfoil hats on and said he dove on purpose.
1:24:03
Speaker 2: All of Brett Farv.
1:24:06
Speaker 4: I'm not sure like Brett Farv and Michael Strahan were
1:24:09
Speaker 4: like really close friends, I'm not. I mean, maybe Joe
1:24:13
Speaker 4: Burrow and Miles Garrett are. I don't know that there's
1:24:17
Speaker 4: any reason that Joe Burrow would take it down. I
1:24:19
Speaker 4: just I don't understand why. I mean, look, Miles was
1:24:26
Speaker 4: gonna get Joe Burrow anyway on this one. It was
1:24:30
Speaker 4: a very very underwhelming sack. It was Joe Burrow like it.
1:24:34
Speaker 3: Looked like he was gonna maybe try to step up
1:24:36
Speaker 3: into the pocket, and then he altered his decision making
1:24:40
Speaker 3: last second and sort of fell back almost into the
1:24:43
Speaker 3: arms of Miles Garrett. I'm watching it over and over
1:24:45
Speaker 3: here on the YouTube. At the end of the day,
1:24:48
Speaker 3: Miles Garrett is gonna get that sack.
1:24:50
Speaker 4: One of the things feeding that that conspiracy THEORYO see
1:24:54
Speaker 4: that I found out is his postgame comments, Joe Burrow's
1:25:00
Speaker 4: posting comments.
1:25:01
Speaker 2: Did you see these?
1:25:02
Speaker 4: They asked him what was the protection call on that play?
1:25:06
Speaker 4: And there are those that are like, Joe Burrow's a
1:25:09
Speaker 4: savant and he's he's you know it almost the same
1:25:13
Speaker 4: way that we like, we talked about a lot of
1:25:15
Speaker 4: great quarterbacks. But I think of, probably because I'm a
1:25:18
Speaker 4: basketball guy. First, we think of Lebron James being talked
1:25:22
Speaker 4: about with his photographic memory, and you know, you can
1:25:24
Speaker 4: ask him about how they played defense on a certain
1:25:27
Speaker 4: play in the twenty eleven finals against the MAVs today
1:25:30
Speaker 4: and he could tell you. He could break it down
1:25:31
Speaker 4: for you exactly without looking at the video. Right they're
1:25:34
Speaker 4: talking about these people are talking about Joe Burrow in
1:25:37
Speaker 4: that same way and how it was very sus to
1:25:42
Speaker 4: hear him say, hear him kind of punt on the
1:25:44
Speaker 4: question and be like, I'm not sure I remember the
1:25:47
Speaker 4: protection call.
1:25:48
Speaker 3: So that's feeding into it as well. Well, look, here's
1:25:52
Speaker 3: two things. There's a lot of things that are true
1:25:54
Speaker 3: on this play. Miles Garrett beats his blocker whoever is
1:26:00
Speaker 3: playing left tackle at this moment for the Cincinnati Bengals,
1:26:03
Speaker 3: and I'm sorry that I don't know.
1:26:05
Speaker 4: Uh it just an absolutely in his playoffs and maybe
1:26:09
Speaker 4: we'll know your name.
1:26:10
Speaker 2: Jeez.
1:26:10
Speaker 3: Just a terrible, terrible effort against Miles Garrett. And I'm
1:26:15
Speaker 3: sure friends with Miles Garrett. I'm sure I would look
1:26:18
Speaker 3: a lot better pass rushing against this guy than the
1:26:20
Speaker 3: average person. But also, uh, if Joe Burrow doesn't kind
1:26:26
Speaker 3: of interrupt his forward motion like he feels the pressure,
1:26:31
Speaker 3: looks like maybe he's gonna scramble forward. But there's a
1:26:35
Speaker 3: stunt between the two interior defensive linemen for the Browns. Okay,
1:26:41
Speaker 3: Shelby Harris, I think that's his name, is number Yeah,
1:26:45
Speaker 3: Shelby Harris is number ninety three, is coming around in
1:26:48
Speaker 3: the stunt. He's the second guy, He's the looper in
1:26:51
Speaker 3: this stunt. Joe Burrow's gonna get sacked by him if
1:26:55
Speaker 3: he doesn't stop and let Miles Garrett kind of catch
1:26:57
Speaker 3: him from behind. So I don't know that there's a
1:27:00
Speaker 3: way he avoids a sack. It probably didn't have to
1:27:02
Speaker 3: be Miles garrett sack, I guess is the only conspiracy.
1:27:05
Speaker 3: But it's like it's kind of a boring way to
1:27:08
Speaker 3: get the record because it's effectively a quarterback taking a knee.
1:27:12
Speaker 3: I want it to be a situation where it's like
1:27:14
Speaker 3: this guy thinks he's got a man open downfield. He's
1:27:17
Speaker 3: ready to cock that ball back, and then his whole
1:27:20
Speaker 3: world explodes and the ball goes flying like.
1:27:23
Speaker 4: A like like a ship, a pirate ship getting hit
1:27:28
Speaker 4: by a cannon ball. Yes, you know what I'm talking about,
1:27:31
Speaker 4: just a blind side. You're just like, oh, there he is,
1:27:35
Speaker 4: cleats off the ground.
1:27:36
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna throw a touchdown pass and as soon
1:27:39
Speaker 3: as that ball starts to come, you know, cock back.
1:27:42
Speaker 3: That's when Miles Garrett like one hand punches the ball.
1:27:45
Speaker 3: The helmet goes straight into the spine and the quarterbacks
1:27:48
Speaker 3: just like just a yard sail spit flying everywhere. By
1:27:57
Speaker 3: the way, another ancillary controversy or around this Jamar Chase's
1:28:03
Speaker 3: postgame comments, and yes, you can take this as just
1:28:06
Speaker 3: sour grapes, but I think that he has a point
1:28:09
Speaker 3: to this. He's like, their whole team ran on the
1:28:13
Speaker 3: field because they stopped play. Yeah, which that's usually a penalty.
1:28:18
Speaker 4: And like, why are we stopping to play in Cincinnati
1:28:21
Speaker 4: and this this is a big rivalry. We don't really
1:28:24
Speaker 4: recognize it nationally because these two teams have not been
1:28:27
Speaker 4: good at the same time very often, but it's a
1:28:29
Speaker 4: big rivalry in Ohio. I can understand him being salty
1:28:33
Speaker 4: about that. Aside from the fact that they lost and
1:28:35
Speaker 4: they're not in the playoffs. I don't think it should
1:28:37
Speaker 4: all be dismissed as sour grapes. But yeah, like if
1:28:40
Speaker 4: they're in Cleveland, I think that's like, do what you want,
1:28:44
Speaker 4: Cleveland Browns and refs stopped this game, but I feel
1:28:47
Speaker 4: like you should at least consult the home team, and
1:28:51
Speaker 4: especially in a heated inter division rivalry.
1:28:54
Speaker 2: Yeah.
1:28:54
Speaker 3: Zach Taylor, the coach for the Bengals, who's being retained,
1:28:57
Speaker 3: by the way, despite the note I voted no confidence players, Uh,
1:29:01
Speaker 3: he's he.
1:29:03
Speaker 2: Said the same thing, Like, dude, they stopped the game.
1:29:06
Speaker 2: For five minutes. This is Cincinnati, not Cleveland.
1:29:09
Speaker 3: We're playing, We're playing the final few minutes of our
1:29:12
Speaker 3: season here, and they just stopped the game without telling
1:29:17
Speaker 3: us why they were stopping the game, that they were
1:29:18
Speaker 3: going to stop the game. And look, there's precedent for
1:29:21
Speaker 3: this where the NFL, the NBA does it where it's
1:29:25
Speaker 3: just like probably the three point records being toppled. Ray
1:29:29
Speaker 3: Allen was the first one I remember, taking over Reggie
1:29:31
Speaker 3: Miller's record. They stopped the game, but that was also
1:29:34
Speaker 3: in Boston. He was a Celtic with Steph Curry. I
1:29:36
Speaker 3: think recently when that happened, the same thing happened. So
1:29:40
Speaker 3: when big time records take place, Lebron breaking Kareem's scoring record,
1:29:45
Speaker 3: this is a thing that happens, but usually those happen
1:29:49
Speaker 3: at home for.
1:29:50
Speaker 2: The player that's going on. Anyway, it did feel I
1:29:53
Speaker 2: did feel like they had a fair point. They probably do,
1:29:57
Speaker 2: but it is a I mean, it's a big time deals.
1:30:02
Speaker 3: We have made sacks into the second most important stat.
1:30:07
Speaker 4: In football touchdowns and sacks. Maybe interceptions are close to
1:30:13
Speaker 4: that too, but I well.
1:30:15
Speaker 3: You know, here's the thing, you very rarely know who
1:30:18
Speaker 3: the interceptions leader in the NFL is good point. You
1:30:21
Speaker 3: always know who the sack leader in the NFL is
1:30:24
Speaker 3: good point. Yeah, you think we have turned sacks into
1:30:27
Speaker 3: the second most important stat in football, which is so
1:30:31
Speaker 3: funny because there was a time where they didn't officially
1:30:33
Speaker 3: track these things.
1:30:35
Speaker 2: And then it's like somebody woke up.
1:30:36
Speaker 3: It was like, hey, you know what, people are excited
1:30:38
Speaker 3: by this huge momentum swinging either demoralizing or energy inducing play.
1:30:46
Speaker 3: We should start caring about these. And they were like, yeah,
1:30:49
Speaker 3: let's let's track these. And then you've created stars. And
1:30:52
Speaker 3: now now your average sack number. It used to be
1:30:55
Speaker 3: like a million dollars a sack, basically that's what you're
1:31:00
Speaker 3: contract was going to be. Now we're talking like three
1:31:02
Speaker 3: million dollars a sack.
1:31:03
Speaker 4: Yet's three times as much what was parsons contract, almost
1:31:07
Speaker 4: fifty million.
1:31:07
Speaker 2: It's crazy.
1:31:08
Speaker 3: And Garrett's around the same thing. Yeah, so Miles Garrett
1:31:13
Speaker 3: is actually overperforming that. By the way, he's outperforming the
1:31:17
Speaker 3: general number, because if he's making three million a sack,
1:31:20
Speaker 3: he'd be well, I guess he'd be what sixty nine
1:31:22
Speaker 3: million dollars this year?
1:31:24
Speaker 2: Wait for them hold out this offseason.
1:31:26
Speaker 3: Hey, I'm actually outperforming this now, oh man, So yeah,
1:31:30
Speaker 3: it is a single season sack record.
1:31:32
Speaker 2: Would we have liked to see it be done more
1:31:35
Speaker 2: impressive fashion? Sure?
1:31:37
Speaker 3: Would we like to see it happen for a player
1:31:39
Speaker 3: on a relevant team that's even more important, the Cleveland Browns.
1:31:43
Speaker 3: Congratulations Cleveland. In my lifetime, you have had arguably the
1:31:50
Speaker 3: best offensive tackle to play in the NFL in my lifetime,
1:31:54
Speaker 3: Joe Thomas, and you've had now arguably the best pass
1:31:58
Speaker 3: rusher to play. He has to do it for a
1:32:00
Speaker 3: little bit longer, I suppose, has to sustain this level
1:32:04
Speaker 3: of contribution and success, and you as a team still
1:32:08
Speaker 3: stink out loud. Imagine because some of that overlapped, right,
1:32:14
Speaker 3: Maybe his rookie yar second year Joe Thomas was still there.
1:32:18
Speaker 2: I think that's right.
1:32:19
Speaker 4: And but Miles Garrett was not the best pass rusher
1:32:22
Speaker 4: in the league at that point, but he was still
1:32:24
Speaker 4: really good. Imagine imagine being in theory, being able to
1:32:30
Speaker 4: dominate the line of scrimmage like that. And still I
1:32:33
Speaker 4: think that was in the one and thirty one stretch
1:32:36
Speaker 4: if I miss one and thirty one stretch of their
1:32:38
Speaker 4: season that our guy Nate Orchard was a part of
1:32:41
Speaker 4: By the way, Nate, speaking of Miles Garrett, any chance
1:32:45
Speaker 4: he's gotten when he when he's been a guest on
1:32:47
Speaker 4: our on our station, either this show or the Driver
1:32:49
Speaker 4: Spence checkets, he has sung the praises of Miles Garrett
1:32:52
Speaker 4: as that's that guy's that guy's probably the best to
1:32:56
Speaker 4: ever do it. I mean, and now this year he's
1:32:59
Speaker 4: doing it. He's he's putting his name in the record
1:33:01
Speaker 4: books to say, yeah, maybe I am. So congratulations to
1:33:05
Speaker 4: Miles Garrett. Who is he still dating? Sonny Kim, the
1:33:10
Speaker 4: the tm U s a gymnast. I think he might
1:33:14
Speaker 4: be Chloe Kim. What did I say, Sonny Sonny? Yeah, yeah,
1:33:22
Speaker 4: Chloe Sonny Sonny Lee Sonny. You're right, so Chloe Kim.
1:33:27
Speaker 4: He's with Chloe Kims.
1:33:28
Speaker 2: All right. Congratulations to the happy couple, hopefully.
1:33:30
Speaker 4: She apparently reading a USA Today headline, apparently adorably celebrated
1:33:36
Speaker 4: her boyfriend Miles Miles Garrett on his record.
1:33:40
Speaker 2: Is Miles Stone. See what I did there? That's a
1:33:43
Speaker 2: little tasty on medicine, James.
1:33:45
Speaker 4: I love it, though, See I'm rubbing off on you
1:33:48
Speaker 4: in a good way.
1:33:48
Speaker 3: Finally, the coaching carousel in the NFL, we haven't really
1:33:51
Speaker 3: touched on this. Uh. The Raiders have fired Pete Carroll
1:33:54
Speaker 3: after one season, go keep their GM.
1:33:58
Speaker 2: The Cards have fired.
1:34:00
Speaker 3: After three seasons. The Browns have fired Stefanski. Sorry about that,
1:34:06
Speaker 3: shador speaking of Miles Garrett, no end coach. Okay, to
1:34:13
Speaker 3: bring this back to a name that people are gonna
1:34:16
Speaker 3: get really sick of hearing me say over and over.
1:34:20
Speaker 3: The timing right of the Kyle Whittingham exit from the
1:34:23
Speaker 3: University of Utah we talked about this was very, very
1:34:29
Speaker 3: closely associated with the Michigan job opening and some level
1:34:35
Speaker 3: of mutual interest being shown in that. Like long before
1:34:40
Speaker 3: any ink was on any paper, there was some overture
1:34:46
Speaker 3: from Kyle Whittingham's agent to Michigan, Hey, what do you
1:34:49
Speaker 3: think of Kyle Whittingham and Michigan. I guess all they
1:34:52
Speaker 3: had to do is not respond in the negative, just
1:34:54
Speaker 3: be like, oh, interesting, yeah, we'd like to talk to him.
1:34:58
Speaker 3: And that was enough for Kyle Whittingham to say, all right,
1:35:02
Speaker 3: it's not working out here. We're done at the Utah.
1:35:05
Speaker 3: He for years talked about the NFL. I'm not going
1:35:10
Speaker 3: to get an NFL job. Now it's not gonna happen
1:35:12
Speaker 3: in the NFL. Is Kyle Whittingham sitting in his office
1:35:15
Speaker 3: in Michigan right now with any inkling, even the tiniest
1:35:19
Speaker 3: little thing in the back of his head, like, Man,
1:35:22
Speaker 3: could I have gotten that Raiders job? Could I have
1:35:25
Speaker 3: gotten any of these NFL jobs that I get it now?
1:35:29
Speaker 3: Is there any possibility I could? Cause, you know, like,
1:35:32
Speaker 3: he's not in the same world as Pete Carroll. He's
1:35:36
Speaker 3: younger than Pete Carroll. He's a lot younger than Pete Carroll.
1:35:39
Speaker 3: Pete Carroll was a very successful NFL coach, much younger
1:35:44
Speaker 3: than what Kyle Whittingham.
1:35:45
Speaker 2: Is now, and more success in his shorter stint in college.
1:35:48
Speaker 3: So but like it would there if you're Kyle Whittingham,
1:35:51
Speaker 3: would you be looking at it and going like, ah,
1:35:55
Speaker 3: why didn't these jobs open up a couple of weeks ago?
1:35:59
Speaker 2: I think no?
1:36:00
Speaker 4: But maybe I mean I think realistically, I mean, it's
1:36:05
Speaker 4: called black Monday. You know, if you're in the coaching world,
1:36:10
Speaker 4: college or pro already, you know that the jobs aren't
1:36:15
Speaker 4: really going to open up until the day after the
1:36:17
Speaker 4: season ends. So I don't know that he was thinking
1:36:22
Speaker 4: about that in that way. Did you see also that
1:36:26
Speaker 4: Kyle Whittingham has hired his son. Alex Whittingham is leaving
1:36:32
Speaker 4: Andy Reid's staff, where he was an assistant defensive line
1:36:36
Speaker 4: analyst and coach, and he's going to coach linebackers for Michigan.
1:36:40
Speaker 2: All right.
1:36:42
Speaker 3: I believe he was a walk on linebacker at the
1:36:44
Speaker 3: University of Utah in his career, playing for his dad.
1:36:49
Speaker 4: All right, And obviously he's gotten a good, good experience.
1:36:53
Speaker 4: How many years was he with Kansas City. It seemed
1:36:56
Speaker 4: like a while.
1:36:56
Speaker 2: Here's a while.
1:36:57
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's been like through all of their Super Bowls,
1:37:00
Speaker 4: I believe, and maybe not the first one, but certainly
1:37:04
Speaker 4: the last couple. Yeah, so he's gotten good experience there.
1:37:09
Speaker 4: Sure it'll be a great hire for them. By the way,
1:37:11
Speaker 4: I did not hear anything official about Freddie Whittingham. I
1:37:15
Speaker 4: think we all assumed he's Freddy's Freddy. I don't know
1:37:18
Speaker 4: that an announcement has been made, but Freddy's gone. He's
1:37:21
Speaker 4: tight ends coach for them. Even his Twitter still says
1:37:23
Speaker 4: University of Utah. But I thought that was interesting that
1:37:28
Speaker 4: we haven't.
1:37:28
Speaker 3: Let's see, Alex whittinghams thirty three years old, and he
1:37:34
Speaker 3: was yeah, since twenty nineteen. He's been working on Andy
1:37:36
Speaker 3: reachis okay, So I mean that's certainly long enough to
1:37:41
Speaker 3: cut your teeth to then get a chance like this
1:37:44
Speaker 3: to be a position coach. And at the end of
1:37:46
Speaker 3: the day, I mean, this is one of the benefits
1:37:49
Speaker 3: of being the guy, right, you get to hire who
1:37:53
Speaker 3: you want to hire. There are very few corporations, there
1:37:56
Speaker 3: are very few businesses in the world where you, as
1:37:59
Speaker 3: a bus get to do it with as much autonomy
1:38:03
Speaker 3: as football coaches are allowed to fill out their staff. Right,
1:38:07
Speaker 3: Kyle Whittingham could hire his wife to be the GM,
1:38:11
Speaker 3: his son to be the linebackers coach, his daughter to
1:38:14
Speaker 3: be the equipment manager, and everyone just have to be like,
1:38:17
Speaker 3: all right, I guess that's what we're doing. We believe
1:38:20
Speaker 3: in Kyle, so we believe in the people he's putting
1:38:22
Speaker 3: his other his other son is the groundskeeper. All you
1:38:25
Speaker 3: gotta do, I mean, you're you're throwing out these ridiculous
1:38:28
Speaker 3: hypotheticals that make me chuckle and probably make a lot
1:38:31
Speaker 3: of everyone else chuckle. All you gotta do is look
1:38:33
Speaker 3: at North Carolina and Jordan Hudson. That's actually a real life,
1:38:37
Speaker 3: the real thing, ridiculous example of the kind of a
1:38:41
Speaker 3: the kind of power that a head football coach has
1:38:44
Speaker 3: in the Division one Power four level to just hire
1:38:48
Speaker 3: whoever they want to be, whoever they want. I want
1:38:53
Speaker 3: to know, I want to know what that interview is. Like,
1:39:00
Speaker 3: you apply for the job, you put your name in.
1:39:03
Speaker 3: I'd like to be the linebacker's coach at the University
1:39:05
Speaker 3: of Michigan. Dad like that, Dad, Kyle would have just like,
1:39:12
Speaker 3: all right, fly up here, We'll conduct an interview.
1:39:16
Speaker 2: What does that interview like?
1:39:17
Speaker 1: Is that?
1:39:18
Speaker 4: Is that like some organizations where they it's like, okay,
1:39:23
Speaker 4: I can't interview you because nepotism.
1:39:25
Speaker 2: So Jay Hill will be conducting your interview, which is worse.
1:39:31
Speaker 2: Kyle would be harder on the interview than Jay Hill.
1:39:34
Speaker 3: Jay Hill's just gonna be like, well, I'm not gonna
1:39:36
Speaker 3: go back to your dad and be like this candidate
1:39:39
Speaker 3: is a turd when him you want to go back
1:39:41
Speaker 3: to provo Jay and.
1:39:43
Speaker 2: Hire my son.
1:39:44
Speaker 4: Oh man, it's amazing. Most shocking firing so far NFL.
1:39:51
Speaker 4: Going back to the NFL news on this Black Monday,
1:39:55
Speaker 4: I don't know that anything's really shocked me. I guess
1:39:59
Speaker 4: p He Carroll somewhat does, because you'd think that a
1:40:01
Speaker 4: guy with that kind of pedigree would get more leeway.
1:40:04
Speaker 4: But terrible season, so yeah, I mean worst record in
1:40:08
Speaker 4: the league. Yeah, so that'll do it. That'll do it
1:40:10
Speaker 4: to you. Yeah, maybe it's more surprising guys who haven't
1:40:15
Speaker 4: been let go yet at the GM or head coaching level.
1:40:18
Speaker 2: That might be.
1:40:20
Speaker 4: More what I'm more surprised by then guys getting like
1:40:24
Speaker 4: the guys that are getting like go today.
1:40:25
Speaker 7: All right.
1:40:26
Speaker 3: I also here's a little homework in the Daily Dump
1:40:28
Speaker 3: for people out there. Okay, Luke Littler, there's a guy
1:40:31
Speaker 3: named Luke Littler who just won his second world championship
1:40:34
Speaker 3: in darts.
1:40:34
Speaker 2: He's like eighteen years old. I just want you to
1:40:37
Speaker 2: go look this kid up.
1:40:40
Speaker 3: Every one of us knew at least one of these
1:40:42
Speaker 3: guys in high school who looked like they were forty
1:40:45
Speaker 3: two when they were eighteen.
1:40:48
Speaker 2: That's this kid. He's a world darts champion.
1:40:51
Speaker 3: He talks to the crowd, he's like he's a mega,
1:40:53
Speaker 3: mega megastar.
1:40:55
Speaker 2: Okay, the darts world is so fascinating and awesome. It
1:40:59
Speaker 2: really is.
1:41:00
Speaker 3: Encourage all of you to take a look into it.
1:41:02
Speaker 3: But this guy, he's eighteen, But is he really he's eighteen?
1:41:10
Speaker 3: But he's got an old soul in an old body.
1:41:12
Speaker 3: He's forty, he's.
1:41:14
Speaker 4: Got the old Benjamin Button greg Odin Jackie effect going on, Yes,
1:41:20
Speaker 4: jack being the most.
1:41:21
Speaker 2: Just find some time today to look up a young man.
1:41:25
Speaker 3: Named Luke Littler and he is Luke Oldler is not
1:41:30
Speaker 3: aging particularly well. And I can say that because I'm
1:41:34
Speaker 3: aging like a banana. Also, this guy, though, makes me
1:41:37
Speaker 3: feel a little bit better about it. A reminder also
1:41:40
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1:42:23
Speaker 3: is right now, transfer portal is open, Negotiation season is
1:42:28
Speaker 3: upon us for all these college football athletes. Trinidad Shambliss
1:42:33
Speaker 3: is still in the College Football Playoff semi final matchup
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1:42:43
Speaker 3: the NCAA asking for a waiver that will give him
1:42:46
Speaker 3: a sixth year of college eligibility. So he has a
1:42:49
Speaker 3: deal in place announced by him and Old Miss that
1:42:53
Speaker 3: he has a deal in place and an il deal
1:42:55
Speaker 3: in place that would keep him.
1:42:58
Speaker 2: At Old Miss. If THEA then says, hey, yes, you
1:43:02
Speaker 2: can play.
1:43:04
Speaker 4: Now.
1:43:04
Speaker 3: He's had a really incredible year. He's got a lot
1:43:07
Speaker 3: of leverage. I imagine with Old Miss, they don't want
1:43:10
Speaker 3: to have to go into the portal looking for a
1:43:12
Speaker 3: new quarterback. They don't want to have to start developing
1:43:15
Speaker 3: a new freshman quarterback. They've got a new head coach,
1:43:18
Speaker 3: they've got a whole there's too much new already going
1:43:20
Speaker 3: on with Old Miss.
1:43:22
Speaker 2: They want Trinidad Chambliss back.
1:43:23
Speaker 3: So I imagine he's gonna get kind of top of
1:43:26
Speaker 3: market type money right top of market type money right
1:43:29
Speaker 3: now we're finding out in college football for quarterbacks is
1:43:34
Speaker 3: five million plus, So let's be conservative and say that
1:43:38
Speaker 3: he's going to get four to stay at Old Miss.
1:43:42
Speaker 2: What do you think the lawsuit looks like from Chambliss.
1:43:45
Speaker 3: If the NCAA says no, you can't come back and play,
1:43:50
Speaker 3: and he's like, you owe me four million dollars, then
1:43:54
Speaker 3: he so he Division two?
1:43:57
Speaker 2: He was what Farris State, right, something like that.
1:44:00
Speaker 4: He's one of those Division two for four years, right,
1:44:03
Speaker 4: and then and then he had extra year of eligibility
1:44:08
Speaker 4: to play at Ole Miss this year. Yeah, I mean
1:44:11
Speaker 4: it's gonna be an exorbitant amount he would sue for.
1:44:16
Speaker 4: In that case, I would hope that the I would
1:44:19
Speaker 4: hope that the NCAA would be able to have a
1:44:21
Speaker 4: spine and be like, dude, you played five years. You
1:44:25
Speaker 4: just try the NFL do something else.
1:44:29
Speaker 3: And look, it's not like he was injury plagued and
1:44:34
Speaker 3: stuck on the depth. He was the starting quarterback for
1:44:36
Speaker 3: two national championship teams in Division two. And you a
1:44:40
Speaker 3: lot of people listening right now might say, well, Diego Pavia,
1:44:44
Speaker 3: Like Diego Pavia played junior college. This guy, which is
1:44:49
Speaker 3: not NC double A, this guy played four years of
1:44:52
Speaker 3: NC Double A football. The other thing that sucks about this,
1:44:55
Speaker 3: right is that if if you allow him this the
1:45:00
Speaker 3: year without really a good reason, then the precedent now
1:45:04
Speaker 3: is set for the Van Wilders for people to just
1:45:07
Speaker 3: be like, because there are plenty of Diego Poppia type players,
1:45:12
Speaker 3: right I mean, imagine Cam Rising doesn't get injured, okay,
1:45:19
Speaker 3: and his career is not stolen from him with bad
1:45:21
Speaker 3: luck and injury. Cam Rising is not a dude who's
1:45:25
Speaker 3: gonna end up matriculating onto I don't think like a
1:45:29
Speaker 3: starting job in the NFL. Could he could be a
1:45:31
Speaker 3: backup forever probably, or or a guy like Cam Rising
1:45:37
Speaker 3: could spend seven years in college football making like three
1:45:40
Speaker 3: four five million dollars every year. Like that's what we
1:45:45
Speaker 3: need to prevent. And I'm not trying to put any
1:45:48
Speaker 3: evil on Cam Rising, just an example, just an example,
1:45:51
Speaker 3: but he's like a guy who's an elite college football quarterback,
1:45:55
Speaker 3: like a really uppercross college football quarterback that probably isn't
1:45:59
Speaker 3: going to have that of success at the NFL stage.
1:46:04
Speaker 4: In the same way that the same way we think
1:46:07
Speaker 4: about Diego Pavia Right now, yeah, do you respect Heisman
1:46:10
Speaker 4: runner up? Doesn't seem like he's gonna be in all
1:46:13
Speaker 4: a star at the NFL. He could prove us wrong,
1:46:15
Speaker 4: but right now, it doesn't seem like a movie that's
1:46:18
Speaker 4: Shambliss is in that same ILK. The difference is again
1:46:23
Speaker 4: Pavia played junior college, not under the NCAA umbrella officially.
1:46:28
Speaker 4: This guy played NCAA Division two football. Like just you
1:46:33
Speaker 4: had your having this great moment in the sun at
1:46:36
Speaker 4: the FBS level, Power four level, SEC even college football playoff,
1:46:40
Speaker 4: like just let that be enough.
1:46:45
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1:48:06
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1:48:08
Speaker 6: really just got to give you a call because your
1:48:10
Speaker 6: intros make me feel great.
1:48:13
Speaker 2: Well, look, you deserve it.
1:48:15
Speaker 3: You are everywhere and it helps the rest of us
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Speaker 3: who like to do this job because you're creating that
1:48:22
Speaker 3: much content and getting that many stories. So I appreciate
1:48:25
Speaker 3: your time on what I'm sure is also another busy
1:48:28
Speaker 3: day for you.
1:48:30
Speaker 2: Yeah, you have a unique.
1:48:32
Speaker 3: Perspective on some of the big things that have been
1:48:34
Speaker 3: coming down the pipe in Utah sports as of late,
1:48:37
Speaker 3: because you know, you're a Michigander. And now yeah, now
1:48:41
Speaker 3: Kyle Whittingham is headed to the Midwest and people out there,
1:48:45
Speaker 3: I have family in the Midwest that all, of course,
1:48:48
Speaker 3: when this news broke, they text me, they call me,
1:48:51
Speaker 3: and they kind of want to know, like Okay, so
1:48:53
Speaker 3: what's the deal. We've we've seen, you know, the great
1:48:55
Speaker 3: years of Utah football, But what's this guy? Like, how's
1:48:59
Speaker 3: he going to fit in?
1:49:00
Speaker 2: You all?
1:49:00
Speaker 6: Like?
1:49:00
Speaker 1: Wow?
1:49:01
Speaker 3: Not a huge Mormon community necessarily in ann Arbor that
1:49:04
Speaker 3: I'm aware of, And so people have all these questions.
1:49:08
Speaker 3: Give me some context, like what do people from Michigan
1:49:11
Speaker 3: know about the staff that's coming in?
1:49:14
Speaker 6: Absolutely nothing, because I was getting all the texts as
1:49:18
Speaker 6: well and all the questions. So I went to Michigan State,
1:49:23
Speaker 6: which this only things a little bit, but happy for,
1:49:26
Speaker 6: happy for coach with I even texted Freddie Whittingham and
1:49:30
Speaker 6: was just like, hey, man, if you go congrats, but
1:49:34
Speaker 6: this things like this, this just things to build, to
1:49:38
Speaker 6: build a relationship with so many of these position coaches
1:49:41
Speaker 6: and then just have them move on. And now they're
1:49:43
Speaker 6: saying go Blue. Yeah. So my entire family is die
1:49:48
Speaker 6: hard you of them or Michigan State, depending on where
1:49:51
Speaker 6: each cousin or kid has gone to school. And I'm
1:49:54
Speaker 6: getting text from my uncle what does this mean? What's happening?
1:49:58
Speaker 6: And let me tell you, I will say, Michigan football
1:50:01
Speaker 6: fans are not as kind as Utah football fans. And
1:50:04
Speaker 6: I know, you tell football fans still complain and still
1:50:07
Speaker 6: have things to say, but overall believe in what has
1:50:11
Speaker 6: been working for years on years and old Kyle will
1:50:14
Speaker 6: figure it out right. And now he's going over to
1:50:16
Speaker 6: Michigan where these fans will not give Wit and his
1:50:20
Speaker 6: staff any space for error, and they will yell inappropriate
1:50:25
Speaker 6: things and they will target. I mean, it is, it is.
1:50:28
Speaker 6: It is off the charts in Big ten country. I
1:50:31
Speaker 6: mean that's why when I came here, you know, six
1:50:33
Speaker 6: years ago, I was like, oh, okay, this is Petcove's
1:50:36
Speaker 6: course is kind of on that same but you know,
1:50:39
Speaker 6: not really because of the hostility that goes into it.
1:50:42
Speaker 6: If you look at the press conference coach WIT's first
1:50:45
Speaker 6: introductory price conference, how many times did they ask how
1:50:48
Speaker 6: do you feel about Ohio State? How do you feel
1:50:50
Speaker 6: about Ohio State? And that's because they're not kidding, like
1:50:53
Speaker 6: it's not this historic rivalry where it's like, oh, we
1:50:57
Speaker 6: like some of the coaches over there because we work together.
1:51:00
Speaker 6: You know, we hate everyone's guts and you better hate
1:51:02
Speaker 6: them too, and so I just they don't know anything.
1:51:06
Speaker 6: But I also think at the same time, fans are
1:51:08
Speaker 6: excited because I don't think you could have hired a
1:51:10
Speaker 6: better guy after what the fiasco that happened at Michigan.
1:51:15
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you're looking for a scandal repellent, there's nobody
1:51:19
Speaker 3: better Thanky Whittingham and the assistance that he's bringing with him.
1:51:23
Speaker 3: I mean, obviously you know some big losses for Utah,
1:51:26
Speaker 3: but also for BYU, and I know that you have
1:51:29
Speaker 3: followed Jay Hill from when he was in a head
1:51:31
Speaker 3: coach at Weaver State and obviously the cordator at Brigham Young.
1:51:34
Speaker 3: How big of a loss is that for Kilani and
1:51:36
Speaker 3: his staff?
1:51:37
Speaker 1: Oh?
1:51:38
Speaker 6: Huge. I My heart's just been breaking really just seeing
1:51:43
Speaker 6: them be introduced at Michigan and waving and smiling, and
1:51:46
Speaker 6: then you see j Hill there clapping, and I'm just like,
1:51:49
Speaker 6: oh my gosh, They're gone like it, like it almost
1:51:53
Speaker 6: just never happened, even though.
1:51:54
Speaker 7: Of course it did.
1:51:56
Speaker 6: Jay Hill, my goodness, what a guy who who's spent
1:52:00
Speaker 6: his time I think it was eight years as a
1:52:02
Speaker 6: head coach at Weaver State and gave gave that program
1:52:06
Speaker 6: this just elite status in the Big Sky. I remember
1:52:09
Speaker 6: talking to other Big Sky schools when I was in Idaho,
1:52:12
Speaker 6: and everyone hated Weaver State because Jay Hill had them
1:52:15
Speaker 6: in tiptop shape, and then you see him get more
1:52:17
Speaker 6: into his comfort zone when it comes to just locking
1:52:19
Speaker 6: in on the defense and what BYU's been able to do.
1:52:23
Speaker 6: And he gets along well with Kilani and that staff.
1:52:27
Speaker 7: But I just bet you when you had offered.
1:52:29
Speaker 6: An opportunity to go to U of M, I mean,
1:52:31
Speaker 6: it's almost impossible to look away. But Jay Hill is
1:52:35
Speaker 6: not only a kind, smart like human being on and
1:52:40
Speaker 6: off that football field, but he was great to work
1:52:43
Speaker 6: with two as a media member. And I was talking
1:52:45
Speaker 6: with a writer in Michigan. He reached out to me,
1:52:49
Speaker 6: asking me questions, and he said, Man, we have not
1:52:52
Speaker 6: felt that way about coaching about a coaching staff in
1:52:54
Speaker 6: a long time.
1:52:55
Speaker 1: Here.
1:52:56
Speaker 6: It's cool that you and other people have good things
1:52:59
Speaker 6: to say out Hill and witting him and so on,
1:53:02
Speaker 6: because we can honestly say that we haven't told that way.
1:53:05
Speaker 6: And I'm excited for them, but also I'm still a
1:53:11
Speaker 6: little unsure about it all.
1:53:14
Speaker 3: Yeah, Look, it's gonna be an adjustment for everyone. Again,
1:53:18
Speaker 3: you cover every team in the state and there's all
1:53:21
Speaker 3: this like mixing and matching, and now Kevin McGibbon is
1:53:24
Speaker 3: coming down from Utah State staff to coordinate at the
1:53:27
Speaker 3: University of.
1:53:27
Speaker 2: Utah, and look, his name wasn't at the top of
1:53:31
Speaker 2: a lot of people's list.
1:53:32
Speaker 3: He was a lesser known candidate than like a Jonathan
1:53:35
Speaker 3: Smith who came into Salt Lake City apparently to have
1:53:37
Speaker 3: discussions about this job. And there was some conversation about
1:53:41
Speaker 3: maybe Aaron Roderick coming back from Provo to Salt Lake City.
1:53:45
Speaker 3: And then you look at the numbers, and you look
1:53:47
Speaker 3: at what mcgiven has done, especially with the wide receiver
1:53:49
Speaker 3: position and with his quarterbacks, and I think there's a
1:53:52
Speaker 3: lot of reasons to be encouraged. You covered his most
1:53:55
Speaker 3: recent offense at Utah State, So tell me what you
1:53:58
Speaker 3: think of mcgiven coming to you.
1:54:01
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:54:01
Speaker 6: I was also surprised by that one, and not in
1:54:04
Speaker 6: a what this guy way, and more in just like, Okay,
1:54:08
Speaker 6: they see something and are seeing his vision differently. So
1:54:14
Speaker 6: when I did go up to Logan, listen, I'm a
1:54:16
Speaker 6: big fan. I'm a big Bryson Barnes fan. I've said
1:54:19
Speaker 6: it time and time again, but I loved what he
1:54:22
Speaker 6: was able to do with this offense because their running
1:54:25
Speaker 6: back corps was able to thrive while still Barnes aired
1:54:28
Speaker 6: it out on a few plays where you kind of
1:54:30
Speaker 6: didn't see it coming. And I liked that because you
1:54:33
Speaker 6: think it's going to go into the hands of I
1:54:34
Speaker 6: think it was Miles Davis Junior, and and and for
1:54:38
Speaker 6: the run, and then all of a sudden, Barnes is
1:54:40
Speaker 6: airing it out. And then when Barnes got injured later
1:54:42
Speaker 6: in the season, their quarterback depth was deep enough to
1:54:45
Speaker 6: bring in con Over into the Potato Bowl and at
1:54:49
Speaker 6: least deliver a touchdown there. I know they fell in
1:54:51
Speaker 6: that game, but there were a lot of moments Anthony
1:54:54
Speaker 6: Garcia another quarterback who was also playing wide receiver, and
1:54:58
Speaker 6: he's going both ways and he's doing all the things,
1:55:00
Speaker 6: and I liked that. It seemed like everybody knew how
1:55:05
Speaker 6: to play every single position, even if on the roster
1:55:08
Speaker 6: it said you were a QB or a wide receiver.
1:55:11
Speaker 6: And I think right there shows that baby mcgiven was
1:55:14
Speaker 6: cooking up something that I wasn't even aware of until
1:55:18
Speaker 6: I saw the depth come into the football game. And
1:55:21
Speaker 6: that's when I kind of thought, oh, Garcia knows what
1:55:24
Speaker 6: he's doing, and he's supposed to be under center, and
1:55:26
Speaker 6: he just caught a touchdown like things like that, and
1:55:29
Speaker 6: I think that's what excites me and kind of what
1:55:31
Speaker 6: made me go okay, cool, Let's see what he's going
1:55:34
Speaker 6: to do at Utah.
1:55:36
Speaker 3: Andrew Urban is our guest here on the Sean O'Connell Show,
1:55:38
Speaker 3: talking a little Utah college football right now. We'll get
1:55:41
Speaker 3: to the Utah Jazz here in just a second. But
1:55:45
Speaker 3: Morgan Scaley is now the head coach, and we've been
1:55:47
Speaker 3: getting everyone's thoughts. I mean, I love Morgan. He was
1:55:51
Speaker 3: a captain when I was a walk on on the
1:55:53
Speaker 3: team and I've known him since. Great, great person. I
1:55:57
Speaker 3: think he's an awesome and intelligent football coach. I think
1:55:59
Speaker 3: he's a great leader. I think he's incredibly charismatic. But
1:56:03
Speaker 3: this is his first job and it is a big
1:56:05
Speaker 3: one as a head coach. How do you think it's
1:56:07
Speaker 3: going to go in the early early years.
1:56:10
Speaker 6: Oh my gosh, it's a huge job. And I was
1:56:14
Speaker 6: just rooting for them in the Vegas Bowl. I was
1:56:16
Speaker 6: home in Michigan and we had Michigan on one TV
1:56:19
Speaker 6: and Utah on the other TV, and I'm going back
1:56:22
Speaker 6: and forth, and I just wanted them to have that
1:56:26
Speaker 6: performance that they had because Morgan deserves a good start,
1:56:30
Speaker 6: and I actually think it should be pretty seamless. I mean,
1:56:34
Speaker 6: Van Pierre said it in his press conference post game
1:56:37
Speaker 6: of the Vegas Bowl. He's like, we met with Scally
1:56:40
Speaker 6: right when everything changed. He said, let's do this thing
1:56:43
Speaker 6: and let's go and then you look at all the
1:56:44
Speaker 6: distractions that the team had going into that one and
1:56:47
Speaker 6: they still managed to win forty four to twenty two.
1:56:50
Speaker 6: So in that instance, I think this should be a
1:56:53
Speaker 6: smooth transition where where this team is confident, if we
1:56:57
Speaker 6: could keep if we can keep the players in the house,
1:57:02
Speaker 6: then we I'm excited for what Scally can do in
1:57:05
Speaker 6: this era. I think he's gonna be great off the start.
1:57:08
Speaker 6: I really do, and maybe that's just me being optimistic,
1:57:11
Speaker 6: and because I do like working with him. Anytime we
1:57:15
Speaker 6: had the opportunity to speak to the defensive side of
1:57:17
Speaker 6: the ball, he was always pretty open to have conversations
1:57:21
Speaker 6: about any questions you had. He didn't dance around things,
1:57:24
Speaker 6: which I like that, and I think it's gonna be great.
1:57:28
Speaker 6: I just am now curious to see who they maintain
1:57:33
Speaker 6: in this new era because that is a huge part
1:57:36
Speaker 6: on top of just Morgan, it has a huge part
1:57:38
Speaker 6: on who's your talent on the football field, all Right, let's.
1:57:43
Speaker 3: Switch gears a little bit here talk about this Utah
1:57:46
Speaker 3: Jazz team that if we go back to last year,
1:57:50
Speaker 3: I mean, obviously the tanking experiment didn't pay off the
1:57:53
Speaker 3: way that people wanted it to, and there was a
1:57:56
Speaker 3: little bit of angst, and I think that led to
1:57:59
Speaker 3: some personnelches in the front office and the promises were
1:58:02
Speaker 3: there that hey, it's not going to look like it did,
1:58:05
Speaker 3: and uh, it hasn't.
1:58:07
Speaker 2: This is a really fun and interesting team.
1:58:09
Speaker 3: Obviously a young team, and while the fan base was
1:58:13
Speaker 3: maybe expecting that tanking of some sort was going to happen,
1:58:16
Speaker 3: these guys go out there and they compete every single
1:58:19
Speaker 3: night and they're better that they were supposed to be. Andrea,
1:58:23
Speaker 3: which now puts the front office in a really weird situation.
1:58:26
Speaker 3: But you've been so so close to it, Uh are you?
1:58:30
Speaker 3: Are you surprised to this point what the jazz team
1:58:33
Speaker 3: has become I think ahead of schedule?
1:58:36
Speaker 6: Oh absolutely. I'm having so much fun watching this jazz
1:58:41
Speaker 6: team because it makes me as a as a fan
1:58:43
Speaker 6: and as a person who covers this team. It makes
1:58:46
Speaker 6: me excited that that they're trying and that you can
1:58:49
Speaker 6: see the passion in Kiante Georgia's eyes. And it's not
1:58:53
Speaker 6: just Lowry game after game, and you see Cale Philipowski's
1:58:56
Speaker 6: growth and development really coming to fruition. I mean, it's
1:59:00
Speaker 6: not always the wins, but when you look at the
1:59:02
Speaker 6: Jazz Pistons game, like, are you kidding me? What was
1:59:05
Speaker 6: the confidence and the passion? And you could see them
1:59:10
Speaker 6: looking over at Will Hardy and like listening and then executing,
1:59:13
Speaker 6: and it just seemed like this well oiled machine. And
1:59:15
Speaker 6: then you have nights like where they had to lead
1:59:18
Speaker 6: on the Warriors the entire time and then down the
1:59:21
Speaker 6: stretch can't make a shot and Golden State wins the ballgame.
1:59:25
Speaker 6: And so it's there are flashes, there are flashes of
1:59:30
Speaker 6: growth and development. And I'm so excited that there might
1:59:34
Speaker 6: be a chance here for Keyante and Lowry to maybe
1:59:37
Speaker 6: get an All Star nod because it's cool that in
1:59:41
Speaker 6: the beginning of the season, Will Hardy said, anyone can
1:59:44
Speaker 6: have a breakout year, and that can be anyone in
1:59:47
Speaker 6: the league, anyone on our team. It could be a rookie,
1:59:49
Speaker 6: it could be a three year vet. And my goodness,
1:59:52
Speaker 6: did Keante George, after having a rocky last season come
1:59:56
Speaker 6: back and just answer the call and that's been a
1:59:59
Speaker 6: lot of fun to see a twenty two year old
2:00:02
Speaker 6: just just calling the shots and making the shots and
2:00:06
Speaker 6: it's exciting to watch. But yeah, at the same time,
2:00:08
Speaker 6: I'm also sitting here going, Okay, twelve and twenty two
2:00:12
Speaker 6: is our record? Now?
2:00:14
Speaker 7: What?
2:00:15
Speaker 2: Yeah?
2:00:16
Speaker 3: Now?
2:00:16
Speaker 8: What?
2:00:16
Speaker 6: Right?
2:00:16
Speaker 3: Because, like I said, I was alluding to the decision
2:00:20
Speaker 3: that the front office might have to make where you
2:00:23
Speaker 3: got to pick that you don't want to see conveyed
2:00:27
Speaker 3: to Oklahoma City of all teams. Right, a young, already
2:00:31
Speaker 3: championship caliber squad that isn't just going to cause you
2:00:35
Speaker 3: problems this year but for the next five or ten. Right,
2:00:38
Speaker 3: And you've got lowry market and playing at all star level.
2:00:42
Speaker 3: You've got Keyante George flirting with that same kind of distinction,
2:00:47
Speaker 3: and then you've got you know, like I think, weirdly,
2:00:50
Speaker 3: the Walker Kessler injury does you a favor in terms
2:00:53
Speaker 3: of him not being available and adding to that mix
2:00:56
Speaker 3: and making you even better than you are. But they
2:01:01
Speaker 3: they basically promised the fan base, hey, we're not going
2:01:03
Speaker 3: to do it on purpose, but you might have to
2:01:06
Speaker 3: do it on purpose if you want to keep that pick.
2:01:09
Speaker 6: I know, I know, Oh man, this is a hard
2:01:13
Speaker 6: conversation for me because I always just want to I
2:01:17
Speaker 6: always want to win the ballgame, and I always want
2:01:19
Speaker 6: to have something to root for, and and towards the
2:01:21
Speaker 6: end of the season last year, I heard it from
2:01:23
Speaker 6: the fan base and I heard it from just just
2:01:26
Speaker 6: people who were around the Jazz games, being like, man,
2:01:30
Speaker 6: this feels like they're not even trying or it feels
2:01:34
Speaker 6: like they're not giving it their all, and that hurts us,
2:01:38
Speaker 6: like that makes us feel bad, And so I don't
2:01:40
Speaker 6: ever want to feel that way. But at the same time,
2:01:44
Speaker 6: how do we make ourselves better? Oh, it's so hard.
2:01:48
Speaker 6: I don't have the I don't have the answer for
2:01:51
Speaker 6: that one, because I want to keep doing what they're doing,
2:01:54
Speaker 6: which is trying to win the game every single night
2:01:57
Speaker 6: for growth and development purposes. And I will leave it
2:02:02
Speaker 6: up to the front office to decide what they gotta
2:02:04
Speaker 6: do because I don't. This is why I don't do
2:02:06
Speaker 6: that dang job, because that kind of stuff makes me sad,
2:02:09
Speaker 6: because I just want them to go out and and
2:02:12
Speaker 6: let each guy be a star each night and not
2:02:15
Speaker 6: gonna lie. Cody Williams thrown down the other night. I'm
2:02:17
Speaker 6: happy to see him playing with some confidence too. So
2:02:20
Speaker 6: something's working over there. Something working. I just don't know
2:02:24
Speaker 6: what the next steps are.
2:02:25
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't either, so we'll leave that to the
2:02:27
Speaker 3: people who are paid to make those decisions. But the
2:02:31
Speaker 3: look you're like the queen of fan engagement, especially in
2:02:34
Speaker 3: that role, and I got to imagine that you're you know,
2:02:38
Speaker 3: your work experience is significantly different this year than last
2:02:41
Speaker 3: because of some of the things we've already been talking about.
2:02:45
Speaker 3: Can you can you give me a sense of how
2:02:47
Speaker 3: different it is this year? Oh?
2:02:49
Speaker 6: Absolutely? Are you kidding me? I had to hype up
2:02:53
Speaker 6: the crowd and we were down by twenty last season. Yeah, fan,
2:02:56
Speaker 6: let's go. We're down by twenty. There's still a chay.
2:03:00
Speaker 6: So that was tough because because sometimes they look at
2:03:03
Speaker 6: me and be like, get out there and bring your
2:03:05
Speaker 6: energy because there's none in the Delta Center right now.
2:03:08
Speaker 6: And this year it feels very much like I can
2:03:11
Speaker 6: almost join in with the fans energy and build on that.
2:03:15
Speaker 6: And then when I go into the stands now and
2:03:17
Speaker 6: get interactive with the fans, they're not saying things that
2:03:20
Speaker 6: they previously were, like what's going on and tell them
2:03:23
Speaker 6: to do this, and tell them to do that, which
2:03:24
Speaker 6: first of all, can't do that, can't tell them anything.
2:03:27
Speaker 6: I'm just here to hold the microphone. But the hostility
2:03:31
Speaker 6: is much different, and there seems to be like a
2:03:33
Speaker 6: sense of belief throughout the fan base now. And I
2:03:37
Speaker 6: will say, shout out that Jersey exchange. I'm not seeing
2:03:40
Speaker 6: any more yellow in the house. And I think bringing
2:03:44
Speaker 6: the purple back, getting everyone in their new threads is
2:03:48
Speaker 6: good when it comes to bringing a fan base together
2:03:51
Speaker 6: and bringing that arena together. And there's also been updates
2:03:53
Speaker 6: to the arena, so it just it feels much more legit,
2:03:58
Speaker 6: and it feels like a sense of belief to the
2:04:00
Speaker 6: fan base versus last year piping them up when when
2:04:03
Speaker 6: there was no chance of winning that game.
2:04:08
Speaker 2: So give me a sense of the team culture right now.
2:04:12
Speaker 3: I'm incredibly impressed with Will Hardy because he walks this line.
2:04:17
Speaker 3: It seems to like he knows when he gets to
2:04:20
Speaker 3: like he's supposed to be the cool young coach that
2:04:23
Speaker 3: relates to his players on the level that maybe these
2:04:25
Speaker 3: old guys don't. But he's not afraid to coach him
2:04:27
Speaker 3: hard and we've gotten some great little sound bites and
2:04:31
Speaker 3: things like that that don't offend me. But if you
2:04:34
Speaker 3: care about language, you might get bothered by Like I
2:04:37
Speaker 3: love what I'm seeing from Will Hardy, I mean love it.
2:04:40
Speaker 2: And he's establishing what.
2:04:42
Speaker 3: I think is an important culture that is not going
2:04:44
Speaker 3: to pay off this year, but hopefully sooner than later.
2:04:48
Speaker 2: You're closer to it than I am. So give me
2:04:50
Speaker 2: a sense of what that actually looks like.
2:04:52
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, definitely. Coach Hardy is a noble guy. I
2:04:58
Speaker 6: can say that he does not take crap from anyone
2:05:03
Speaker 6: or anything. And he doesn't care if you're the star
2:05:05
Speaker 6: of the show or if you think you're the star.
2:05:08
Speaker 6: He wants you to share the basketball. He wants you
2:05:11
Speaker 6: to while you're on the bench, watch the game. See
2:05:14
Speaker 6: how when you get into the game, how can you
2:05:16
Speaker 6: make a difference versus just waiting until it's your turn
2:05:19
Speaker 6: to get in the game and then figure it out.
2:05:20
Speaker 6: I mean, Will has been big on that. He's like,
2:05:22
Speaker 6: I'm so confused when our guys are out what are
2:05:25
Speaker 6: we doing?
2:05:25
Speaker 3: Like?
2:05:25
Speaker 6: Are we are we watching? Are we learning? Are we adjusting?
2:05:28
Speaker 6: So then when you come in those adjustments can be made.
2:05:31
Speaker 6: There's just so many things that every time I talk
2:05:33
Speaker 6: to Will or hear from Will and just an availability.
2:05:36
Speaker 6: He's like, Okay, sure our offense is on, like we
2:05:40
Speaker 6: were scoring points, but this, this, this, this, And then
2:05:43
Speaker 6: he just goes off about transition defense and he goes
2:05:46
Speaker 6: off about I'm going to pull you out of the
2:05:48
Speaker 6: game if you are not defending, and I love it
2:05:52
Speaker 6: because he stands by that and we literally see him
2:05:55
Speaker 6: say something and then do that. So that's another interesting part.
2:05:59
Speaker 6: It's like, Okay, were losing, are we winning? Are we trying?
2:06:01
Speaker 6: Are we not? But then you look at Will Hardy
2:06:04
Speaker 6: and my goodness, he's got passion, he's got confidence. He
2:06:08
Speaker 6: also doesn't put up with anything, and I love it.
2:06:11
Speaker 6: There's a viral or semi viral video of him going
2:06:14
Speaker 6: off on the bench and people are like, oh, that's
2:06:16
Speaker 6: going to get him fired in Utah, and I said, no,
2:06:18
Speaker 6: it's not, No, it's not because this is what we're
2:06:21
Speaker 6: looking for and this is what we need, So keep
2:06:23
Speaker 6: it coming, Coach Hardy.
2:06:24
Speaker 3: You could say you can say bad words on NBA benches,
2:06:27
Speaker 3: ladies and gentlemen. It's just it's just part of the job. Yeah,
2:06:31
Speaker 3: Jerry Sloan survived here for a long time, but you
2:06:35
Speaker 3: make a sailor blush with his language. Ace Bailey. What
2:06:40
Speaker 3: do you think of his rookie year?
2:06:42
Speaker 6: Oh my gosh, okay. I love Ace Bailey because everybody
2:06:47
Speaker 6: was like, he doesn't want to be here, He's going
2:06:49
Speaker 6: to be this negative energy around because he's all doesn't
2:06:53
Speaker 6: want to be present. Have I seen out of any
2:06:56
Speaker 6: player embrace this state, this fan base, this space, his role.
2:07:01
Speaker 6: He's so not like I guess humble I was gonna say,
2:07:05
Speaker 6: real like he when he comes into the availabilities, he's like, yeah,
2:07:09
Speaker 6: I'm learning so much. I didn't even know this, this
2:07:12
Speaker 6: or this, and and he'll he'll just own the fact
2:07:14
Speaker 6: that this is a lot harder than what I thought
2:07:17
Speaker 6: it was gonna be and and I love that. And
2:07:19
Speaker 6: then I was just at the Boys and Girls Club
2:07:21
Speaker 6: in Salt Lake with Keyante and Ace Bailey. They were
2:07:24
Speaker 6: given back for the holidays, and Ace was so like,
2:07:27
Speaker 6: didn't have to be there. It was Kante's event. Ace
2:07:29
Speaker 6: decided to go, wanted to be there and even like
2:07:32
Speaker 6: talk to me and he's like, yeah, Keyante said get
2:07:34
Speaker 6: out of the house, and so I wanted to come.
2:07:36
Speaker 3: And I love that.
2:07:37
Speaker 6: This is a nineteen year old is he nineteen eighteen eighteen?
2:07:41
Speaker 6: Maybe his numbers nineteen and he just is he is
2:07:44
Speaker 6: embracing this place and he seems like he's so willing
2:07:47
Speaker 6: to learn in this This image that you know, social
2:07:50
Speaker 6: media painted of him is not true. And and yeah,
2:07:54
Speaker 6: is he you know, is he having a dot of
2:07:56
Speaker 6: a Mitchell rookie season? No, but he's so smart and
2:08:00
Speaker 6: you can see that on the court for the move
2:08:02
Speaker 6: that he's nicky, whether sharing the ball or when he
2:08:04
Speaker 6: has that fadeaway j that just splashes. So I am
2:08:09
Speaker 6: I am a I'm a stand for Ace Dailey.
2:08:13
Speaker 3: I like what we're seeing from this jazz team. I
2:08:15
Speaker 3: hope it doesn't cost him a lottery pick, but I
2:08:18
Speaker 3: think it might. That's not for me to decide. I'm
2:08:22
Speaker 3: just here to have fun and watch these games, and
2:08:25
Speaker 3: you make it a lot more fun.
2:08:26
Speaker 2: So thank you for joining us.
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Speaker 6: Thank you, yes, thank you for having me. Happy New
2:08:31
Speaker 6: Year and all the things, and let's have a good
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Speaker 6: twenty twenty six.
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Speaker 2: We will see it here.
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Speaker 3: Andre urban around because if you care about sports in Utah,
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Speaker 3: she's everywhere. Thanks here, Sean, thanks son. All right, more
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Speaker 3: two ONFM.
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Speaker 2: So fe Miss American pot.
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Speaker 1: You were listening to the Sean O'Connell Show from the
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Speaker 1: half am.
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Speaker 3: Whiskey and righting in this sob the day.
2:09:08
Speaker 2: That I die. All Right, I got a problem with
2:09:11
Speaker 2: you Ravens. I know it's Monday.
2:09:15
Speaker 3: We don't airic grievances yet, but the Baltimore Ravens and
2:09:19
Speaker 3: the Pittsburgh Steelers an absolute thriller for the crown of
2:09:24
Speaker 3: the AFC North. And look it's this is one of
2:09:28
Speaker 3: the elite rivalries in NFL football. You had Lamar Jackson,
2:09:36
Speaker 3: Derrick Henry and company. You had Aaron Rodgers turning back
2:09:40
Speaker 3: the clock, refusing to fall victim to the undefeated Father
2:09:45
Speaker 3: Time and making me look stupid in the process.
2:09:49
Speaker 2: I wrote off Aaron Rodgers these last two years.
2:09:52
Speaker 3: I told people at the beanning of this season, Nope,
2:09:56
Speaker 3: not going to be a playoff team. Pittsburgh thinks that
2:09:59
Speaker 3: they're doing someth been clever here. It's not gonna work.
2:10:03
Speaker 3: And James, it shouldn't have worked. But kickers, man kickers
2:10:11
Speaker 3: are so aggravating. Also, everyone involved in the offensive game
2:10:18
Speaker 3: planning for the Baltimore. Ravens is aggravating to me because
2:10:22
Speaker 3: you have to remember that Derrick Henry is a weapon
2:10:28
Speaker 3: for your team always.
2:10:32
Speaker 2: I don't know why you have to be reminded of that.
2:10:34
Speaker 3: I don't know why people don't just like wake up
2:10:37
Speaker 3: in Ravens Purple with a big smile on their face, like, yep,
2:10:41
Speaker 3: we still got Derrick Henry. There.
2:10:43
Speaker 2: There was which play was it?
2:10:45
Speaker 3: I think I'm talking about a third, third quarter, Like
2:10:49
Speaker 3: he had like a nine yard run and when he
2:10:52
Speaker 3: got tackled, he didn't actually really get tackled. It just
2:10:55
Speaker 3: was like a weird traffic jam that stopped his forward
2:10:59
Speaker 3: motion and the whistle blow tackles.
2:11:02
Speaker 4: By the way, if we were talking about if this
2:11:04
Speaker 4: were airing a grievances, I might have a grievance again
2:11:07
Speaker 4: that against that, even though that should be how you
2:11:10
Speaker 4: officiate the play. I just I hate plays ending that way.
2:11:12
Speaker 4: It's like what you're talking about with the anti climactic sack. Yeah,
2:11:16
Speaker 4: Miles Garrett and and Joe Burrow just falling down. It's like,
2:11:20
Speaker 4: I take the guy down.
2:11:22
Speaker 2: Anyway.
2:11:23
Speaker 3: It was one of these plays where like he's got
2:11:25
Speaker 3: a couple of blockers, kind of like driving the pile
2:11:28
Speaker 3: in front of him, and then the defense is able
2:11:29
Speaker 3: to stop the pile and he's his legs are churning
2:11:32
Speaker 3: and there's a guy like on his legs and the
2:11:35
Speaker 3: camera shot was just perfect. Derrick Henry is just looking
2:11:38
Speaker 3: down at whatever Steelers safety or linebacker that's like tangled
2:11:42
Speaker 3: up in his legs, and he's just mad at him,
2:11:45
Speaker 3: like InCred why are you trying to tackle me?
2:11:46
Speaker 2: You can't tackle me?
2:11:49
Speaker 3: And he's standing there, this two hundred and seventy five
2:11:51
Speaker 3: pound mountain of muscle who's a running back, and it's
2:11:55
Speaker 3: just like, get off of me, dude.
2:11:56
Speaker 2: And it's just like an an innocuous play.
2:11:58
Speaker 3: It's just a regular routine play in a drive where
2:12:01
Speaker 3: he forces the entire Pittsburgh defense to get involved in
2:12:06
Speaker 3: the tackle and they still don't bring him all the
2:12:08
Speaker 3: way to the ground.
2:12:10
Speaker 2: All of that yet and still the Ravens after a.
2:12:17
Speaker 3: Missed extra point by the Pittsburgh Steelers only the second
2:12:21
Speaker 3: missed extra point, So you're, if you're a Steelers fan,
2:12:24
Speaker 3: you're thinking, oh my gosh, stupid kicker. If he makes
2:12:27
Speaker 3: the extra point, Pittsburgh's got a three point lead. Even
2:12:31
Speaker 3: if send it to overtime. When was the last one
2:12:34
Speaker 3: that he kicked. It was like he hadn't kicked, he
2:12:37
Speaker 3: hadn't or missed I should say, he hadn't missed an
2:12:40
Speaker 3: extra point this season, like it had been multiple years.
2:12:43
Speaker 3: And so if you're a Steelers fan, you're like automatic,
2:12:47
Speaker 3: like the Andy, AUTOMATICA and automatic Andy around here.
2:12:51
Speaker 4: That's how they filed out Chris Boswell. So for that
2:12:53
Speaker 4: to go wide, right, they had to have been like,
2:12:56
Speaker 4: oh no, this is not our night. And then it
2:13:00
Speaker 4: still ends up okay.
2:13:01
Speaker 3: And it still ends up okay because of another kicker,
2:13:04
Speaker 3: because Tyler Loop. The Ravens did the thing where they
2:13:09
Speaker 3: just reposition, they just take the knee, like, yeah, we
2:13:11
Speaker 3: got a kicker who's gonna make this. He's gonna send
2:13:13
Speaker 3: us to the playoffs. Just had a timeout, like take
2:13:15
Speaker 3: one shot at the end zone, right.
2:13:17
Speaker 2: We're gonna it's twenty seven to twenty six. He's gonna
2:13:20
Speaker 2: drive this thing through. We're good, baby. Yeah, that's how
2:13:26
Speaker 2: it happens.
2:13:27
Speaker 4: You saw the priest, the video of the priest before
2:13:30
Speaker 4: the game, right spreading the holy water, and that end
2:13:33
Speaker 4: of the end zone.
2:13:34
Speaker 2: You can't make it up, man, Just insane. And because
2:13:40
Speaker 2: of this season on the line.
2:13:45
Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers in the fourth quarter eleven to fourteen, one
2:13:48
Speaker 3: hundred and thirty three yards and a touchdown without one
2:13:52
Speaker 3: could make an argument eighty percent of his best offensive weapon,
2:13:56
Speaker 3: also without any communication in his helmet. They burned all
2:13:59
Speaker 3: their time out because the helmet communication wasn't working. And
2:14:02
Speaker 3: I did not know this, but in college football, if
2:14:07
Speaker 3: communication goes down in the helmets for one team, the
2:14:10
Speaker 3: other team also has to turn theirs off. Oh a
2:14:13
Speaker 3: fairness thing. In the NFL, they're just like, screw you, guys,
2:14:17
Speaker 3: that's your fault. You need to fix the helmet.
2:14:21
Speaker 4: I guess I don't mind that totally at the college
2:14:25
Speaker 4: level because there is some semblance of like, you guys
2:14:30
Speaker 4: are this is not fully professional football. But I love
2:14:35
Speaker 4: that for professional football, it's like, no, that's a you problem.
2:14:38
Speaker 4: Like Steelers and Aaron Rodgers. Aaron Rodgers is cursing everybody
2:14:42
Speaker 4: on the sideline. It was great theater, but it was
2:14:44
Speaker 4: also like, no way, the Steelers are doomed. And that
2:14:48
Speaker 4: was before the missed extra point.
2:14:50
Speaker 3: Imagine imagine being the guy like the A one the tech.
2:14:56
Speaker 3: Your job is to make sure that that line of
2:14:59
Speaker 3: communication stays open. And you know, right having been on
2:15:03
Speaker 3: I mean obviously not walkie talkies and helmets type situation,
2:15:07
Speaker 3: but like if you're on a television broadcast, Okay, they've
2:15:10
Speaker 3: got I've got my headset, right, I've got my my
2:15:15
Speaker 3: stick MIC, I've got a backup headset. I've got a
2:15:18
Speaker 3: backup stick MIC. I've got an i FB pack with
2:15:21
Speaker 3: the earpiece in, and I've got a backup one of those.
2:15:24
Speaker 3: And I've got like a stack of batteries in case
2:15:28
Speaker 3: the batteries go out on the main one or on
2:15:31
Speaker 3: the backup one. Right, So there's this like, what's that
2:15:35
Speaker 3: six times redundancy to where their communication between me, the
2:15:39
Speaker 3: play by play broadcaster and the truck can stay open
2:15:42
Speaker 3: for a fight broadcast, right.
2:15:44
Speaker 4: And ultimately us, the US, the consumers to be able
2:15:49
Speaker 4: to hear you.
2:15:50
Speaker 2: Right.
2:15:51
Speaker 3: So, and that's, by the way, that's in the Professional
2:15:54
Speaker 3: Fighters League, which is like right now a distant second
2:15:58
Speaker 3: place in m m A, which is like a distant
2:16:02
Speaker 3: tenth place behind NFL football.
2:16:05
Speaker 6: Right.
2:16:05
Speaker 3: So what we're talking about, Aaron Rodgers, the Pittsburgh Steelers
2:16:10
Speaker 3: playoff implications rivalry game Sunday Night Football. I mean, this
2:16:15
Speaker 3: is the most expensive, most meticulous, most particularly cared for
2:16:22
Speaker 3: broadcast slash sporting event like regular season sporting event that
2:16:28
Speaker 3: you can find. This is as big of a deal
2:16:31
Speaker 3: as you can find in American sports. And some poor
2:16:37
Speaker 3: audio tech whose job it is to make sure that
2:16:41
Speaker 3: the booth can talk to Aaron Rodgers and Aaron Rodgers
2:16:44
Speaker 3: can hear the booth and all that stuff, something went wrong.
2:16:47
Speaker 3: Some equipment manager whose job it is to make sure
2:16:50
Speaker 3: that the headset is working.
2:16:52
Speaker 2: That must be the biggest night.
2:16:55
Speaker 3: Like I would be willing to bet a significant amount
2:16:58
Speaker 3: of money that that person is not employed today, whether
2:17:03
Speaker 3: that's fair or not, and it probably isn't, because of
2:17:05
Speaker 3: course there are just bugs. There are just technology breaks down.
2:17:09
Speaker 3: The cars breakdown, planes break like. Stuff breaks down no
2:17:13
Speaker 3: matter what you do, Like you just described the setup
2:17:16
Speaker 3: for PFL, the all the redundancies you had, your your
2:17:20
Speaker 3: main your main pack and your backup one could could
2:17:25
Speaker 3: go down and you and batteries could not have could
2:17:28
Speaker 3: not fix it, and you'd be screwed. And that's not
2:17:31
Speaker 3: the text fault, right, This is stuff. Stuff happened. Stuff
2:17:34
Speaker 3: just happened, right. There are ghosts in the machine that'll
2:17:36
Speaker 3: get you, and maybe that's what happened. Maybe there's no
2:17:39
Speaker 3: user error at all, maybe there's no operator or at all,
2:17:42
Speaker 3: except it doesn't matter in that moment whose fault it is.
2:17:47
Speaker 3: Somebody's gonna have to pay, and the fact that they
2:17:49
Speaker 3: were able to overcome that, and there's like a real
2:17:52
Speaker 3: time consequence burning those timeouts could be a major difference
2:17:56
Speaker 3: maker in the game, and should be a major difference
2:17:58
Speaker 3: maker in the game, except a kicker just this this,
2:18:04
Speaker 3: by the way, the same weekend that a bunch of
2:18:07
Speaker 3: people are starting to do this once or twice a year,
2:18:10
Speaker 3: is kicking hard enough? The NFL kickers are so good
2:18:14
Speaker 3: now you leave college football kickers are so good now,
2:18:18
Speaker 3: Like it's kind of boring, is you? Like the Dan
2:18:22
Speaker 3: Patrick show this morning on our airwaves. They were talking
2:18:25
Speaker 3: about it the day I think it was, I don't know.
2:18:27
Speaker 2: Which way it.
2:18:27
Speaker 3: One of the Dan nets was just like, look, man,
2:18:30
Speaker 3: if you get like you get possession with a couple
2:18:33
Speaker 3: of minutes left, you really only need to get thirty
2:18:36
Speaker 3: five yards after a touchback to be in range for
2:18:40
Speaker 3: an NFL kicker and guarantee that you're gonna at least
2:18:43
Speaker 3: be able to force the tie in a close game.
2:18:46
Speaker 3: Like they were having that conversation today. No, not true,
2:18:51
Speaker 3: because human error is undefeated. Kickers will find a way, especially,
2:18:56
Speaker 3: and half of me, not half, like four percent of
2:18:59
Speaker 3: me looks at it. Him just goes, what is wrong
2:19:03
Speaker 3: with all of us thinking that we could do that job?
2:19:06
Speaker 3: Ninety six percent of me is like, what is wrong
2:19:08
Speaker 3: with that guy whose only job is to do that
2:19:12
Speaker 3: ninety six percent. The other thing that makes it not
2:19:17
Speaker 3: a guarantee is did you see how Lamar Jackson almost
2:19:21
Speaker 3: squandered perfect field position almost single handedly? He tries to
2:19:29
Speaker 3: do too much sometimes and then Isaiah likely bailed him
2:19:32
Speaker 3: all out with an incredible catch, which you thought, Okay,
2:19:36
Speaker 3: it worked out, Holy crap. But the when he sails
2:19:41
Speaker 3: it over to DeAndre Hopkins head instead of just throwing
2:19:43
Speaker 3: it straight to him and getting the first down, living
2:19:46
Speaker 3: to fight another day. And by the way, DeAndre Hopkins
2:19:48
Speaker 3: no one was around him. He could have turned and
2:19:50
Speaker 3: run anyway. He didn't need your your floater pass that
2:19:54
Speaker 3: went twenty yards ahead of him.
2:19:56
Speaker 2: So he does that.
2:19:58
Speaker 3: Then he right into the pass rush the next play
2:20:03
Speaker 3: and has to sling something a miracle out of bounds
2:20:06
Speaker 3: to avoid grounding in a sack. I mean he did
2:20:10
Speaker 3: his best to lose that game for the Ravens on
2:20:12
Speaker 3: that drive after.
2:20:13
Speaker 1: What was that?
2:20:13
Speaker 2: What was that the kick return?
2:20:15
Speaker 3: That was an incredible kick return by the Ravens to
2:20:18
Speaker 3: put him basically at midfield. You're like, Okay, a missed
2:20:22
Speaker 3: field goal is the only way they lose this game,
2:20:23
Speaker 3: and of course that's how it happens, But I like,
2:20:28
Speaker 3: it should not have taken a miracle catch Bay isaa likely.
2:20:31
Speaker 4: I guess it's what I'm saying to put them in
2:20:33
Speaker 4: that position.
2:20:35
Speaker 3: Lamar was asked after the game about his future with
2:20:38
Speaker 3: the Ravens. John Harbaugh's future with the Ravens all that
2:20:43
Speaker 3: he asked too. He basically said, Uh, don't talk to
2:20:47
Speaker 3: me about that right now. Like Lamar doesn't want he's
2:20:49
Speaker 3: not focused on that right now. He said he was
2:20:51
Speaker 3: trying to process the loss. I I'm torn when you
2:20:56
Speaker 3: get an answer like this from a starting quarterback, from
2:20:59
Speaker 3: a big time out athlete, because you've been talking to
2:21:03
Speaker 3: your friends, your family, your agent, your coaches, whoever, for
2:21:06
Speaker 3: weeks about all this stuff behind the scenes, not on
2:21:10
Speaker 3: business hours, and when you're asked about it, if you
2:21:14
Speaker 3: don't want to answer it, okay, but you don't need
2:21:18
Speaker 3: time to process.
2:21:19
Speaker 2: Okay, you don't.
2:21:22
Speaker 3: Your professional athlete, You're not stunned by winning, You're not
2:21:26
Speaker 3: stunned by losing. And if you want to say something
2:21:31
Speaker 3: about how your kick are screwed it up for you,
2:21:33
Speaker 3: you can. But no definitive answer from Lamar Jackson about
2:21:39
Speaker 3: what his future is going to be.
2:21:41
Speaker 4: And John Harbaugh was asked to and he just said, yeah,
2:21:44
Speaker 4: I want to be here and got of left it
2:21:48
Speaker 4: at that. So, to be fair, the way the guy
2:21:51
Speaker 4: asked him was like, do you want to be here?
2:21:53
Speaker 4: Basically say yeah, I want to be here. I want
2:21:55
Speaker 4: to be an NFL head coach at the place that
2:21:57
Speaker 4: I've only been in, the only place that's been in
2:21:59
Speaker 4: the NFL.
2:22:00
Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to have a multen million dollars a
2:22:03
Speaker 3: year job. I would have one of the best thirty
2:22:04
Speaker 3: two jobs in my profession. Yeah, I want that with
2:22:07
Speaker 3: one of the with all that criticism, I just I
2:22:10
Speaker 3: just laid on Lamar Jackson's feet aside with one of
2:22:14
Speaker 3: the four five best quarterbacks in the league, two time
2:22:18
Speaker 3: recent two time MVP.
2:22:20
Speaker 4: Yeah you want that job. Still absolutely to your point
2:22:25
Speaker 4: about Derrick Henry being the biggest offensive weapon for them
2:22:29
Speaker 4: and the Ravens sometimes seemingly forgetting that.
2:22:34
Speaker 2: I remember Chris Collinsworth.
2:22:37
Speaker 4: He and Mike Trico were fantastic on the broadcast, by
2:22:39
Speaker 4: the way, as they typically are. I remember him saying,
2:22:43
Speaker 4: right before the last Ravens touchdown, that great throw tos
2:22:47
Speaker 4: A Flowers, who was inexplicably open, could have ran to
2:22:52
Speaker 4: freaking Cleveland and no one would before anyone caught up
2:22:55
Speaker 4: to him. I remember him saying, the.
2:22:58
Speaker 3: Reason this opens up is because everyone the only thing
2:23:03
Speaker 3: the Steelers are concerned about is Derrick Henry. And sure enough,
2:23:07
Speaker 3: they kind of fake the toss to Henry and that
2:23:10
Speaker 3: opens it up. But at the same time, you're like,
2:23:14
Speaker 3: that worked out for you, but why aren't you just
2:23:17
Speaker 3: running the ball with Derrick Henry.
2:23:18
Speaker 4: Yeah, in that situation you have, they had three timeouts,
2:23:21
Speaker 4: they only needed one score anyway, uh it. It really
2:23:26
Speaker 4: is kind of baffling how often they do that it
2:23:30
Speaker 4: and it plays into Lamar feeling like I gotta do
2:23:34
Speaker 4: it all by myself when it's like, no, you don't
2:23:36
Speaker 4: you have this guy, And by the way, like you're
2:23:40
Speaker 4: already playing on Derrick Henry's a freak, right, But it
2:23:46
Speaker 4: still kind of feels like you're on borrowed time with him,
2:23:48
Speaker 4: like it's going to come off the rails at some point.
2:23:52
Speaker 4: He's had a longer, more successful career than every running
2:23:56
Speaker 4: back in the NFL. He's well past all the averages,
2:24:00
Speaker 4: and I think I mean his size is obviously not
2:24:03
Speaker 4: a detriment of some of these guys that are excessively
2:24:05
Speaker 4: large at that position, it decreases their longevity. That's not
2:24:09
Speaker 4: the case for him, but it feels like, take advantage.
2:24:13
Speaker 2: Of it while you got it.
2:24:15
Speaker 3: Anyway, The Drive with Spence checkets will be starting at
2:24:20
Speaker 3: two o'clock is spencon Studio today.
2:24:22
Speaker 4: Spence is in studio today and we might be able
2:24:26
Speaker 4: to tease kind of a bit of a special edition
2:24:30
Speaker 4: of both shows tomorrow. Regarding Morgan Skelly's introductory press conference.
2:24:36
Speaker 2: We also have some tickets to give away.
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Speaker 3: Brian Reagan is taking over the Delta Center on February fourteenth,
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Speaker 3: and we'll have a trivia.
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Speaker 2: Question for you next on the Sean O'Connell Show.
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Speaker 3: Center eight seven seven three five three zero seven hundred.
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Speaker 2: If you could tell me.
2:25:27
Speaker 3: How many touchdowns Lamar Jackson accounted for this year for
2:25:31
Speaker 3: the Baltimore Ravens, who narrowly missed the playoffs. Eight seven
2:25:35
Speaker 3: seven three five three zero seven hundred. Lamar has accounted for?
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Speaker 3: How many touchdowns this season in Baltimore? The Drive with
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Speaker 3: up to par with what I'm using us to. Spence
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Speaker 2: How are you you hear me?
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Speaker 2: No, I don't.
2:26:24
Speaker 10: I don't own the station. So I was selling it
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Speaker 2: I wouldn't be surprised.
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Speaker 2: How was your break?
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Speaker 2: It was great?
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Speaker 10: Good job today?
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Speaker 8: Was it?
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Speaker 10: Are you Tepkin?
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Speaker 2: Yeah?
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Speaker 10: That was a good interview.
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Speaker 3: are being hammered together, including the University of Utah's uh
2:26:54
Speaker 3: and now all these guys. Part of the reason there's
2:26:57
Speaker 3: urgency and putting those staffs together is because these guys
2:26:59
Speaker 3: have to figure out what they're is going to look like.
2:27:01
Speaker 2: And this next ten days is the largest determining window
2:27:05
Speaker 2: for that.
2:27:05
Speaker 10: Yeah, and the way you were phrasing it earlier is unfortunate,
2:27:09
Speaker 10: but it's the reality. Just free agency, and like you
2:27:12
Speaker 10: have to look at this is I keep thinking about
2:27:14
Speaker 10: Indiana right Like you can rebuild a program and win
2:27:19
Speaker 10: national championships in one year.
2:27:21
Speaker 3: Now, you know what I mean, well, yeah, and did
2:27:24
Speaker 3: you see what Indiana's done in the transfer portal.
2:27:26
Speaker 10: I have not tracked their transfer portal.
2:27:28
Speaker 3: With Okay, Fernando Mendoza, he's going off to the NFL.
2:27:32
Speaker 3: Your husband trophy what right? And Kurt Signetti is like, oh,
2:27:34
Speaker 3: what are we gonna do for a place? Josh Hoover,
2:27:37
Speaker 3: the TCU quarterback, talented guy is he's committed to Indiana.
2:27:41
Speaker 3: So they're preparing for a national championship run right now. Yeah,
2:27:45
Speaker 3: and they're just like, I don't want to develop a freshman. Hey,
2:27:48
Speaker 3: that guy's pretty good.
2:27:49
Speaker 2: He's coming.
2:27:50
Speaker 3: And also like two of the best edge rushers in
2:27:52
Speaker 3: the transfer class are coming, and a great offensive lineman
2:27:56
Speaker 3: is coming. They signed like six dudes today, got commitments
2:27:59
Speaker 3: for like six dudes today. It's still wild to me.
2:28:01
Speaker 10: I do like that they've narrowed down to one window, right,
2:28:04
Speaker 10: so we don't have to worry about what's coming up
2:28:06
Speaker 10: in the spring, Like this is it. But I heard
2:28:09
Speaker 10: Dan Lanning talk about this. Other coaches have talked about
2:28:11
Speaker 10: this as well. If we're going to open up the
2:28:12
Speaker 10: portal on January the second, this season has to be
2:28:15
Speaker 10: over January first, because right now on these staffs. Almost
2:28:19
Speaker 10: all the staffs left. You have multiple coaches that have
2:28:21
Speaker 10: taken other jobs, so they're like calling plays in the
2:28:25
Speaker 10: National semi finals and then getting on the phone to
2:28:27
Speaker 10: try to recruit players to go play for them at
2:28:29
Speaker 10: their new job. Like it's just a really hard thing
2:28:35
Speaker 10: to ask when it comes to like, this is the
2:28:38
Speaker 10: deal any team now? Because the coaching carousel is so crazy.
2:28:42
Speaker 10: Any team that advances to the CFP and then wins
2:28:46
Speaker 10: a game, you're gonna lose coaches. They're gonna take jobs,
2:28:48
Speaker 10: They're gonna take head coaching jobs, They're going to go elsewhere.
2:28:51
Speaker 10: So can you I heard Urban talking about this earlier
2:28:53
Speaker 10: today on this podcast. Can you really trust your offensive
2:28:56
Speaker 10: coordinator to do the best job you possibly can to
2:28:59
Speaker 10: help you win a national chamampionship when he has his
2:29:01
Speaker 10: own job to think about that he's already taken, you
2:29:04
Speaker 10: know what I mean? Like we're making progress, I think
2:29:07
Speaker 10: to kind of curtail the chaos. But if we're going
2:29:10
Speaker 10: to have one transfer portal, it's January second and fifteen
2:29:12
Speaker 10: days the season has to be over January first.
2:29:15
Speaker 3: Make Dan Lanning the Commissioner of college Football because he
2:29:18
Speaker 3: had a solution for it, right, there. Yeah, he said,
2:29:21
Speaker 3: get rid of the second by week Yeah, start everyone
2:29:25
Speaker 3: in week zero and let's play continuously. Georgia didn't need
2:29:29
Speaker 3: twenty six days between the end of their season and
2:29:32
Speaker 3: their first playoff game. By the way, we've learned, it
2:29:35
Speaker 3: doesn't help you having that first round by. It's been
2:29:38
Speaker 3: a curse for every team that is first round by. Yeah,
2:29:41
Speaker 3: so let's just do it. You go from conference championship
2:29:45
Speaker 3: weekend to first weekend of the playoffs to the second
2:29:48
Speaker 3: weekend of the playoffs, and you're done with this thing
2:29:51
Speaker 3: on January first. And I would like that, actually, because
2:29:54
Speaker 3: it's a more it's a clear cutoff. I don't have
2:29:58
Speaker 3: the bandwidth to be like, all right, I'm going to
2:30:00
Speaker 3: make sure that I'm watching as much NHL, NBA, College
2:30:03
Speaker 3: and NFL, NFL Basketball, NFL as possible. Oh, and also
2:30:08
Speaker 3: I pay attention to the combat sports as well, right,
2:30:11
Speaker 3: I like when Christmas time is when I have to
2:30:13
Speaker 3: start paying attention to the NBA. If I had less
2:30:16
Speaker 3: college football to worry about, only a week of college
2:30:18
Speaker 3: football to worry about.
2:30:18
Speaker 2: After that, I'd be fine with it.
2:30:20
Speaker 10: Yeah, And I don't think you're in danger of losing
2:30:22
Speaker 10: any interest because it's become such a twenty four to
2:30:25
Speaker 10: seven sport that we cover, and I know there's always
2:30:27
Speaker 10: this battle to try to capture as much of the
2:30:29
Speaker 10: calendar as you possibly can. The Super Bowl kids used
2:30:32
Speaker 10: to be in January, and now obviously that's a February event,
2:30:36
Speaker 10: and college football used to be over by the new year,
2:30:38
Speaker 10: and so there was a more truncated way to kind
2:30:40
Speaker 10: of consume the stuff you want to consume and you
2:30:43
Speaker 10: don't necessarily conflict with the other leagues or other sports,
2:30:46
Speaker 10: but there is a battle for the calendar. I don't
2:30:48
Speaker 10: think college or pro football has to worry about trying
2:30:50
Speaker 10: to extend out the calendar anymore, because people are going
2:30:53
Speaker 10: to be interested in a year round no matter what.
2:30:55
Speaker 3: I hope that someone in those decision making rooms in
2:30:58
Speaker 3: college football is talking about this not only from a
2:31:01
Speaker 3: practicality standpoint, but also from like, there are a serious
2:31:06
Speaker 3: number of college football fans who are becoming disenfranchised because
2:31:11
Speaker 3: of the calendar, right because of those conflicts that you're
2:31:14
Speaker 3: talking about, because they're like, wait, wait, wait, wait wait,
2:31:17
Speaker 3: I don't want my guy recruiting the players on my team.
2:31:22
Speaker 3: He took a new job, he's now recruiting my quarterback
2:31:24
Speaker 3: who's in a playoff game to go play for him
2:31:27
Speaker 3: somewhere else.
2:31:28
Speaker 2: I don't want this. I can't follow this. I don't
2:31:30
Speaker 2: like this.
2:31:31
Speaker 3: If you have a cleaner break between when those decisions
2:31:34
Speaker 3: have to be made, when jobs are taken, and guys
2:31:37
Speaker 3: actually show up to help recruit and things like that,
2:31:40
Speaker 3: it would be friendly your interface for the fans one.
2:31:43
Speaker 10: Hundred percent, and also a cleaner way to know that
2:31:47
Speaker 10: if the coach coaching for you while you're trying to
2:31:49
Speaker 10: win a national championship is all in on your process,
2:31:53
Speaker 10: because look, it's just human human nature. Most all of
2:31:56
Speaker 10: these coordinators, not all of them, but most all of
2:31:58
Speaker 10: these coordinators want to be a head coach, and so
2:32:00
Speaker 10: if you're the play call like and Urban was talking
2:32:02
Speaker 10: about this when they won a national championship, Dan Mullen
2:32:04
Speaker 10: had already taken a head coaching job, and Urban let
2:32:07
Speaker 10: him call plays. But Urban himself admitted, like, I was
2:32:10
Speaker 10: wondering if Dan was leaving our coaching meeting. And this
2:32:13
Speaker 10: is even way before all the chaos now, But if
2:32:15
Speaker 10: you're a Ohio State fan, do you wonder what the
2:32:18
Speaker 10: deal would be if your head coach was and Look,
2:32:20
Speaker 10: Ryan Day's a phenomenal play caller, but suddenly the coaches
2:32:23
Speaker 10: are getting poached. You lose your play caller. It's all
2:32:26
Speaker 10: on your head, coach, and you wonder whether or not
2:32:27
Speaker 10: the guy calling plays gives a rip about if you're
2:32:30
Speaker 10: gonna win a national championship because all he cares about
2:32:32
Speaker 10: is his new job.
2:32:33
Speaker 2: And I don't blame.
2:32:34
Speaker 3: Did anyone raise their hand on Urban's conversation and say, well,
2:32:39
Speaker 3: nobody worried about whether or not you wanted us to
2:32:41
Speaker 3: win the Fiesta Bowl.
2:32:42
Speaker 2: You'd already taken the Florida job.
2:32:43
Speaker 10: They should have, They should have. But you know, the
2:32:46
Speaker 10: two thousand and four pit game was not brought up
2:32:48
Speaker 10: during the podcast.
2:32:49
Speaker 2: It should have been.
2:32:50
Speaker 10: Damn it.
2:32:50
Speaker 2: I agree with you.
2:32:51
Speaker 3: Come on, Urban, Yeah, look, expect when Spence takes over
2:32:57
Speaker 3: here in just three minutes. Expect a blistering tirade against
2:33:01
Speaker 3: Kyle Whittingham's newest hire at Michigan because the Spence checkets
2:33:06
Speaker 3: the drive. The official stance of the show is firmly
2:33:09
Speaker 3: anti nepotism.
2:33:10
Speaker 10: Oh everyone knows that about me exactly. Yeah, yeah, that,
2:33:12
Speaker 10: I mean, that doesn't even have to be said.
2:33:14
Speaker 2: And Kyle hired his own son. Spence ain't gonna stand
2:33:17
Speaker 2: for that.
2:33:17
Speaker 10: No, No, we're all disappointed. We're all very disappointed that,
2:33:20
Speaker 10: you know, coach wad decided. Look, the official if I
2:33:24
Speaker 10: haven't made this clear, let me make it clear once again.
2:33:27
Speaker 10: We're now in the two o'clock hour. Yeah, so as
2:33:29
Speaker 10: we've changed time slots between two and six, the stance
2:33:33
Speaker 10: is very very clear. We do not believe in nepotism.
2:33:36
Speaker 10: We do not cheer for the sons of famous fathers.
2:33:39
Speaker 10: We want all of them to fail miserably. So we
2:33:41
Speaker 10: will cover that. We will cover that front to back.
2:33:43
Speaker 10: All right, wonderful.
2:33:45
Speaker 3: We are all rooting for success for Morgan Scaley, who
2:33:48
Speaker 3: is one to zero as a head coach. His official
2:33:51
Speaker 3: introductory press conference, which just feels kind of like a
2:33:54
Speaker 3: little interesting on the timing, his official introductory press conference
2:33:58
Speaker 3: is tomorrow. We will carry it on the station. That'll
2:34:02
Speaker 3: be basically right now as this changeover is happening. So
2:34:06
Speaker 3: make sure you're listening from eleven to two tomorrow. Then
2:34:08
Speaker 3: from two to six tomorrow we'll have that and so
2:34:12
Speaker 3: much more. Stay tuned for the drive. Thanks for listening
2:34:14
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