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Disney Trip Turns Deadly, Woman Stabbed 20 Times · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace does a Disney trip turn deadly?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you
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  Speaker 1: for being with us here at Fox Nation in series
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  Speaker 1: xm A one eleven. Take a list of first year
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  Speaker 1: our friends at NBC four. People are really starting to
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  Speaker 1: worry now because it has been so long since they
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  Speaker 1: last saw her. Melissa Mulinari was seen leaving her house
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  Speaker 1: this blue house over here on November twenty first. Today,
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  Speaker 1: Suffolk detectives returned to the street, but not to the house.
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  Speaker 1: They went over here to the water basin across the street,
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  Speaker 1: where detectives and a canine went in there to search
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  Speaker 1: for her. They were here for about an hour and
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  Speaker 1: then they left. It didn't appear they found anything, but
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  Speaker 1: they did bring the canine to the sump to search
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  Speaker 1: for missing mother Melissa Mulinari. Please say the Mulinari is
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  Speaker 1: thirty eight years old and last seen at her home
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  Speaker 1: on November twenty first. She's a married mother of four children.
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  Speaker 1: Police say she's about five four and one hundred and
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  Speaker 1: twenty pounds. At this point, police won't say if her
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  Speaker 1: disappearance is suspicious, only that her family, including her husband,
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  Speaker 1: are cooperating the whole family trying to find the missing mom.
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  Speaker 1: This after a Disney trip. What if anything went wrong again?
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  Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grayson. I want to thank you for being
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  Speaker 1: with us here at Fox Nation in Series one eleven,
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  Speaker 1: with me at all Star panel to make sense of
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  Speaker 1: what we know. First of all, high profile lawyer out
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  Speaker 1: of Jacksonville, former fed with the FBI as an FBI agent,
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  Speaker 1: Dale Carson at Dale Carson Law dot com. Author of
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  Speaker 1: Arrest Proof Yourself. Doctor Bethany Marshall, renowned psychoanos joining us
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  Speaker 1: from Beverly Hills, Starving at series on Netflix, Bling Empire
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  Speaker 1: and you can find her a doctor Bethany Marshall dot com.
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  Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University and author
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  Speaker 1: of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon, Starving new series
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  Speaker 1: on iHeart Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan. But first,
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  Speaker 1: let's go out to a special guest joining us from
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  Speaker 1: Newsday as Jean Paul Salamanca. Jean Paul, thank you for
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  Speaker 1: being with us. Tell me about the Disney trip. I'm
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  Speaker 1: a diehard Disney fan. We practically lived at Disney, California
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  Speaker 1: during Dancing with the Stars, We practically lived at Disney
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  Speaker 1: in Florida during the top mont Casey Anthony trial. And
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  Speaker 1: you know, there's nothing like a Disney cruise. So I'm
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  Speaker 1: here Disney trip turns deadly question mark question mark. I
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  Speaker 1: don't like the sound of that because I like taking
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  Speaker 1: my children to Disney. But let's just start with the
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  Speaker 1: Disney trip. Tell me about Melissa Mulana Mary's Disney trip. Well,
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  Speaker 1: what the details that stuff? A County police had shared
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  Speaker 1: with us the press conference where that apparently the family
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  Speaker 1: had gone on the trip sometime in November and the
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  Speaker 1: family her four children, Melissa and husband. Yes, apparently there
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  Speaker 1: was a family vacation around November fifth. They had ended
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  Speaker 1: their trip and left Disney and returned to Long Island.
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  Speaker 1: Just a second, we think they left on November five,
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  Speaker 1: and that, from my understanding, was cutting the vacation short.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't like that either. And I'll tell you why,
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  Speaker 1: doctor Bethany Marshall. You pull out of your hotel at
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  Speaker 1: the last minute, you still have to pay for the
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  Speaker 1: nights that you don't stay. Plus when you go to Disney.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, we have some friends, doctor Bethany, and there's
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  Speaker 1: some of our best friends and we've gone to Disney
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  Speaker 1: a couple of times with them and their children. They
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  Speaker 1: all know Disney like the back of their hands, know
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  Speaker 1: all the secret Heidi holes, They know where to get
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  Speaker 1: what do you call those pineapple whip doll whips? Doll whips.
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  Speaker 1: They know every detail, and they plan it out like
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  Speaker 1: it's war strategy. Like thank goodness, because we're just wandering
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  Speaker 1: around looking at everything, but they know, Okay, we're gonna
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  Speaker 1: get into this line, and then we're gonna go to this,
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  Speaker 1: and then we're gonna cut over to that, and we're
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  Speaker 1: just following along because it's so huge and it's so fun.
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  Speaker 1: But if you leave early, if you've planned it out
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  Speaker 1: like they do, you miss a whole lot of stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Plus you have to pay all those fees because you
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  Speaker 1: have to buy the tickets, buy the parking, get the hotel.
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  Speaker 1: So that's one question, why would they do that? Second question,
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  Speaker 1: why is it when I, like so many other people,
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  Speaker 1: go to Disney, it seems like you suspend your disbelief
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  Speaker 1: because everybody really is happy there and you never think
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  Speaker 1: of anything bad happening at Disney? Why is that it's
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  Speaker 1: the happiest place on earth? Nancy? You know the children
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  Speaker 1: are happy, and because of that, the family's happy. The
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  Speaker 1: parents are happy. The whole place is designed to be
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  Speaker 1: a happy place for family. And you know, my philosophy
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  Speaker 1: about life is that there is no happier place than
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  Speaker 1: being in a happy family. So I think that that's
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  Speaker 1: sort of at the center of it for me. But
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  Speaker 1: you know, you're right, Nancy. There's this whole strategy for
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  Speaker 1: any family vacation, whether you're going to Yosemite or a
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  Speaker 1: national park, or Disneyland or on a cruise, it is
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  Speaker 1: all planned out and each child, even if it's an adult,
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  Speaker 1: teenager or m laten th child, they all have this
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  Speaker 1: plan in their mind of what they're going to do,
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  Speaker 1: what souvenir or are they going to buy? What favorite
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  Speaker 1: food are they going to eat? So the mystery here is,
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  Speaker 1: can I just tell you what we went through? Just
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  Speaker 1: last spring we took John, Dave and Lucy to Disney
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  Speaker 1: with our friends. I should really work at Disney and
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  Speaker 1: be tour guides. But the whole trip down, all John
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  Speaker 1: David could talk about was maybe you know about it,
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  Speaker 1: Dell Carson, because you're there in Florida. There's some new Well.
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  Speaker 1: I lived through it, there's a whole new Star Wars
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  Speaker 1: area and it looks just like the Star Wars set.
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  Speaker 1: It looks like you're on another planet and you can
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  Speaker 1: go through and like build your own lightsaber. That's all
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  Speaker 1: he talked about. That was it. That was the goal,
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  Speaker 1: the driving to Florida and that to get that lightsaber.
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  Speaker 1: And Lucy, what did Lucy want to do? Lucy was
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  Speaker 1: intent on getting a doll whip and something else. Anyway,
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  Speaker 1: everything was around that when you could get into that
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  Speaker 1: lightsaber workshop, and we were not gonna leave until he
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  Speaker 1: got the lightsaber. And guess what, he got the lightsaber
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  Speaker 1: and then he left it by accident. Oh yeah. My
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  Speaker 1: point is, you know, Jean Paul Slimanica, when you came
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  Speaker 1: on Crime Stories, I guess you didn't think we were
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  Speaker 1: going to divert down into my son John David's lightsaber.
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  Speaker 1: My point is, and this is important, Jean Paul, when
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  Speaker 1: you go to trial on a case, these details matter.
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  Speaker 1: Why would I ever leave Disney without that doll whip
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  Speaker 1: and that lightsaber? Why why why I wouldn't I wouldn't leave.
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  Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, I checked to make sure
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  Speaker 1: he had the lightsaber before we got back in the car.
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  Speaker 1: He had a different thing he had bought in this case,
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  Speaker 1: and I thought that was a lightsaber. Why would I
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  Speaker 1: open up the case? Of course it was a lightsaber.
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't the lightsaber. What go ahead? If I got
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  Speaker 1: to add to this, you have four kids, ages four
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  Speaker 1: through seventeen, so you have four sets of tears, four
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  Speaker 1: sets of disappointment, four disillusions kids right when you leave
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  Speaker 1: Disneyland early, so that even I'd been brought in four
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  Speaker 1: to seventeen. And you know I'm digressing, Jean Paul, just
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  Speaker 1: go with it. You're next. But I will never forget
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  Speaker 1: the dichotomy talking about the how everybody's happy and when?
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  Speaker 1: And I wrote a whole chapter on this in my
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  Speaker 1: book Don't be a Victim of Jean Paul, about how
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  Speaker 1: when you go on vacation, went to another country or
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  Speaker 1: on a cruise or really anywhere, you are lulled into
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  Speaker 1: a false sense of security and that makes you a
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  Speaker 1: sitting duck for people that might want to victimize you.
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  Speaker 1: But I will never forget doctor Bethany, and I do
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  Speaker 1: need to shrink on this. I would be at Disney
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  Speaker 1: during the day with the twins, and then you know,
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  Speaker 1: I have so many videos of them chasing piglet and
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  Speaker 1: eat or and only their tails and it just die lapping.
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  Speaker 1: You know, that was the funniest they ever And then
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  Speaker 1: I would leave there, Bethany and go to the courthouse
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  Speaker 1: to sit in on testimony and the talk about Tasey
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  Speaker 1: Anthony trial. I mean talk about a mind war because
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  Speaker 1: it's reality versus fantasy. And I'm imagining Melissa Mulinary in Disney,
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  Speaker 1: and you know, we don't know what happened to her,
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  Speaker 1: but the fact is she was on in this happiest
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  Speaker 1: place on Earth with her family. And I said earlier
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  Speaker 1: that one of the reasons I think it is the
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  Speaker 1: happiest place on Earth is that families are supposed to
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  Speaker 1: be happy there. But the sad fact is not all
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  Speaker 1: families are happy, and some families take their kids there
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  Speaker 1: and then everybody's not happy. I mean, there's kind of
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  Speaker 1: a choice to be happy. You wake up in the morning,
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  Speaker 1: you got meals, you've got a job, you've got this,
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  Speaker 1: you've got that. You can look at it like that,
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  Speaker 1: or you can wake up and think, wow, I have
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  Speaker 1: two children, boy, am I blast? I got a real
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  Speaker 1: favor in my head. I've got something to eat. I
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  Speaker 1: gotta cup of hot tea. I have a job, thank
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  Speaker 1: God in Heaven that I love. I mean, there's two
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  Speaker 1: ways to look at it. Absolutely or also I'm taking
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  Speaker 1: my family to Disneyland because I'm dedicated to the happiness
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  Speaker 1: of my family. You know, not everybody loves Disneyland. There's
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  Speaker 1: some parents for whom it's a chore, and they take
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  Speaker 1: their kids there anyway because the happiness of the kids
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  Speaker 1: is paramount to them. And what you're saying, Nancy, is
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  Speaker 1: so true. As a marital therapist psychoanalyst, you know, the
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  Speaker 1: people in my practice who are happy are those who
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  Speaker 1: determined to be happy. There's, in fact, there's very very
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  Speaker 1: robust research on happiness and there are six factors that
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  Speaker 1: make us happy or lead to happiness. But one of
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  Speaker 1: the factors. Well, the factors are savoring and replaying happy moments,
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  Speaker 1: living in the present, believing in a bright and optimistic future,
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  Speaker 1: acts of gratitude and giving to others, but also acting
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  Speaker 1: more extroverted and outgoing than you really are. This is
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  Speaker 1: supported by research that all these factors lead to happiness.
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  Speaker 1: And I would say that all these things are taking
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  Speaker 1: place when a family goes to Disneyland. It actually fosters
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  Speaker 1: those kinds of attitude that lead to happiness time stories
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  Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace joining us from the usday as Jean
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  Speaker 1: Paul Salamanca and you can find them on Twitter at
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  Speaker 1: Jay Paul Salamanca. So they go to Disney and they
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  Speaker 1: leave early. That would be the first thing our Chelli jury.
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  Speaker 1: They cut the trip short, dragging their four children back
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  Speaker 1: home to uh Long Island. I think it was sent
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  Speaker 1: to reach New York. Okay, So they come home early.
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  Speaker 1: Then what happens? Well, they come home early on November fifth,
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  Speaker 1: and the last time that she's seen by you know,
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  Speaker 1: alive is on December second, by she was reported missing
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  Speaker 1: by a friend of hers to a police at that tay, whoa,
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  Speaker 1: what did you just say? He was reported missing by
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  Speaker 1: a friend of hers on December second? Was the last
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  Speaker 1: time she was atue? You know? Oh December? Did you
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  Speaker 1: say December two twelve? Two? Correct? Yes? Okay, right there,
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  Speaker 1: John Paul, Right there, Delle Carson with four children on
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  Speaker 1: a husband. Why is a friend having to report her missing? Well,
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  Speaker 1: because of course he's saying that she took the stuff
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  Speaker 1: and left and went away. And it's consistent with that
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  Speaker 1: that he wouldn't report her missing because Salamanca, you didn't
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  Speaker 1: tell me that I was about to get that actually
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  Speaker 1: before you were so rudely interrupted by Jack. You go ahead,
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  Speaker 1: John Paul, So he says what new. So according to
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  Speaker 1: police and the prefaces that police clarified that this is
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  Speaker 1: largely what Marcello, who that the husband had told them.
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  Speaker 1: He told them that they've been having marital problems and
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  Speaker 1: that she left the home after an argument on November
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  Speaker 1: twenty second, and that she had returned then the next
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  Speaker 1: day on November twenty three, to Pacra Close and left
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  Speaker 1: with an unknown male and an unknown vehicle. Okay, hold on,
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  Speaker 1: just to take a listen to our cut w oc
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  Speaker 1: our friends at Newsday. The couple had had marital problems,
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  Speaker 1: had cut short a family trip to Disney World in
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  Speaker 1: early November. He claims she left the house on Monday,
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  Speaker 1: November twenty second, after an argument. He also claims she
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  Speaker 1: returned on Tuesday eleven, twenty three to pack her clothes,
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  Speaker 1: and she left with an unknown in an unknown vehicle.
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  Speaker 1: But wait a minute, even by his own words, that's
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  Speaker 1: like the last time he heard from her. Take a
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  Speaker 1: listen to Sonya Rincon ABC seven. He claims she called
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  Speaker 1: him from an unknown number on Thanksgiving and told him
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  Speaker 1: to cook dinner. So, Jean Paul Salomonca joining us from Newsday.
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  Speaker 1: They cut the Disney trip short. They come back, and
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  Speaker 1: then the husband is saying she left, then came back
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  Speaker 1: packed up clothes and right there in front of God
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  Speaker 1: and everybody in the front yard, leaves with another man,
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  Speaker 1: but then thanks to call by on Thanksgiving to explain
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  Speaker 1: how he should cook Thanksgiving dinner? Is that right so far? Yes? Exactly? Okay,
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  Speaker 1: Jean Paul salomonca is joining me from Newsday. Can I
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  Speaker 1: just ask you a question? What did you do on Thanksgiving?
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  Speaker 1: They dinner with the family? Your family? Yes, do you
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  Speaker 1: have children? Uh? No, it was it was largely my parents,
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  Speaker 1: my aunt, and my brothers and my adorable Toyo Ni.
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  Speaker 1: So let me ask you this, Why did you do that?
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  Speaker 1: Why did you have Thanksgiving with your niece and your
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  Speaker 1: whole family? Because it's it's an annual tradition, and like
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  Speaker 1: anything else, I loved them. And though that's um for me,
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  Speaker 1: that's kind of bigger than Christmas, Arena. Can I tell
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  Speaker 1: you something, Jean Paul Salamanca, there is no way. Hell
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  Speaker 1: would have to freeze over before I would not cook
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  Speaker 1: a genio turkey and make my homemade dressing with celery
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  Speaker 1: and onions and have grandberry sauce with the berries in it.
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  Speaker 1: This year, I tried out for the first time homemade
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  Speaker 1: pecan pie. And it's not about the food totally. It's
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  Speaker 1: about being together and giving thanks for being together. So
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  Speaker 1: you're telling me with a straight face. Is Jean Paul
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  Speaker 1: Salomanca that the husband Marcella Millinary says his wife called
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  Speaker 1: on Thanksgiving to tell him how to cook Thanksgiving dinner.
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  Speaker 1: That's what police say that he told them that he
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  Speaker 1: says that his wife calls from an unknown number on
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  Speaker 1: that day and ask him to cook dinner. Delle Carson
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  Speaker 1: Deale Carson. I know you're the high profile lawyer out
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  Speaker 1: of Jacksonville, but I would have a field day basically
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  Speaker 1: running up and down in front of the jury with
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  Speaker 1: the fact that Melissa Mullinaire, who had never missed Thanksgiving
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  Speaker 1: with her children ever, suddenly calls from an undisclosed phone
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  Speaker 1: number to just basically tell the husband just stick the turkey,
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  Speaker 1: the frozen turkey and the oven and turn it on.
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  Speaker 1: You'll be fine. What in a situation like this, where
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  Speaker 1: somebody doesn't show up for a standard traditional meal, there's
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  Speaker 1: always an extreme question, particularly when it's the woman, and
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  Speaker 1: particularly when it's a mother of four children who are
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  Speaker 1: now absent a mother a precious holiday. And of course,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Joe Scott Morgan, Professor forensics, you're all about
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  Speaker 1: blood spider and fingerprints and uh mida condual DNA and
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  Speaker 1: the nucleus and the root in the middle of a
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  Speaker 1: root of a hair. I would take this evidence over
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  Speaker 1: anything else that mommy doesn't show up for Thanksgiving. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you're absolutely right. Mommy's gonna be present for Thanksgiving, Nancy.
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  Speaker 1: I know that for a fact because in my house,
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  Speaker 1: mommy dictates how things are going to be at Thanksgiving.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks And you may be able to pick up, but
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  Speaker 1: may be able to pick up a latent fingerprint, but
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  Speaker 1: I bet she can could run circles around you baking
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  Speaker 1: a turkey. I know her well, Actually, Amica, So mommy
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  Speaker 1: doesn't show up for Thanksgiving? Did the children try her?
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  Speaker 1: Four children try to call her? Oh wait, though you
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  Speaker 1: said it was an undisclosed phone number of the husband says, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's my husband. Clean the one sheet went clean the
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  Speaker 1: one she called him that it was him an unknown
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  Speaker 1: phone number, and what he also told police was that
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  Speaker 1: his wife's phone had been turned off and he was
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  Speaker 1: unable to cont the contactor, and that her family who
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  Speaker 1: were out of state, and her friends were mostly unable
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  Speaker 1: to conduct her. So what do we know about her movements?
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  Speaker 1: Take a listen to Ericabo. This is our friend from
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  Speaker 1: news Day Stuff. The police, including homicide detectives and this canine.
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  Speaker 1: We're on Melissa Mulinari's Center Reach Street Wednesday searching this
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  Speaker 1: stump across from her house. Pop say, the missing mom
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  Speaker 1: of four was last seen at her lolly Lean home
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  Speaker 1: on November twenty first, it's just all really crazy. It's
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  Speaker 1: a shock kind of you know, we're all just a
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  Speaker 1: little like what happened. Police confirm it was a friend
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  Speaker 1: who reported the thirty eight year old missing on December second,
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  Speaker 1: her car left at home. I find it very surprising
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  Speaker 1: that she didn't take her car or nothing, because she
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  Speaker 1: was in the car all the time. I literally, like
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  Speaker 1: seven times a day I would see her going in
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  Speaker 1: and out of the al It scares you, as being
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  Speaker 1: a neighbor that she's missing. And also, take a listen
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  Speaker 1: to our three, our friends at NBC four. And I
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  Speaker 1: find this very interesting too. I find him very surprising
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  Speaker 1: that she didn't take her car or nothing, because she
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  Speaker 1: was in that car all the time. Oh that's you know,
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  Speaker 1: that was her car. She was in and out of it.
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  Speaker 1: You know. Look literally like seven times a day I
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  Speaker 1: would see her going in and out of the house.
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  Speaker 1: And Gabby Petita's father, who has vowed to help other
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  Speaker 1: families find their missing loved ones, tweeted his audience to
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  Speaker 1: please help looking for any and all clues that will
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  Speaker 1: lead police to Mullinari. Again. If you know anything about
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  Speaker 1: this case, you're urged to call the Suffolk County Police.
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  Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace Melissa Mulinari, mother of four,
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  Speaker 1: one as young as four years old, missing and the
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  Speaker 1: neighbors find it very suspicious that her car is still
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  Speaker 1: there at the home. But Jean Paul Salamanca joining us
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  Speaker 1: from Neuesday, has been on the story from the very beginning.
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  Speaker 1: The husband says she left with an unknown male and
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  Speaker 1: then she called from an unknown phone, right, so that
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: would explain why her car is still there. Yeah, basically
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: that's going to what police. What he told police that
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: she had left on December the twenty second, and then
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: she came back the next day on the twenty third,
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: backdoor clothes and left with an unknown mail and an
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: unknown vehicle. So then vehicle probably was not recorded. You
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: mean November, correct, Jean Paul, Yes, it was November. That's
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: what he told this police. How does a cell phone
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: suddenly take center stage in this investigation? Take a listen
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: to our cut eleven NBC four. Early on in this investigation,
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: police had concerns why because they had search her husband's
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: phone history and realize he had recently purchased duct tape
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: rope and had searched for a list of none extradition countries.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: He did initially tell police he and his wife were
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: separating and that she left him. And that's not all.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: Take a listen to Jennifer mclagancy. But yes, two, we're
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: working under the theory that the house is the crime scene.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: Police a husband, Marcella, underwent facial plastic surgery, joined a
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: dating website in research none extradition countries. Thank you. Jean
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: Paul SALOMONCA investigative reporter joining us from Newsday who's been
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: on the story from the very beginning. Jean Paul, that's
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: quite the coincidence, is it not? That she goes missing,
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: He's the only one she speaks to from an undisclosed phone.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: He says, her phone isn't disconnected. And it turns out
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: that searches on his phone include none extradition countries and
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: that he joined a website. All right, that's correct. What
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: more was revealed on his phone? What police have told
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: this was that GPS data from his phone had placed
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: him at the Rocky Point Barren's Forest, which is clare
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: sure she was found later on two key dates, which
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: was the night of her their argument on November twenty second,
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: and soon after the missing person's report was made. Well,
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: you're absolutely correct, Jean Paul salomonca. Now take a listen
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: to our zero eight, our friends at NBC four. Today,
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: people returned to the home to retrieve the family dog
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: and what appeared to be Christmas presents. Neighbors were sad
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: and to hear the news. She was really nice lady,
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: a good mother. That's the hardest part of this is
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: she was a good mother. I'm sad. At this point,
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: police say they have not yet located the murder weapon.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: A couple of interesting items that came up. They looked
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: at his search history. They noticed he had purchased recently
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: duct tape and rope, and he had have been searching
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: about countries that didn't have extradition. Meanwhile, those four children
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: are now currently living with a family friend. Back to
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: Jean Paul Solomon for joining us from Newsday. So we've
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: got him purchasing duct tape and rope and searching countries
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: that don't have extradition treaties with the US. What can
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: you tell me about his plastic surgery. Well, they had
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: mentioned that he had recently had a plastic surgery to
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: doctor Bethany Marshall, extradition treaties with the US, countries that
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: don't have them, buying rope and duct tape. Let me
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: ask you about the husband getting plastic surgery coincidentally when
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: his wife goes missing Nancy. You know, I don't think
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: he was trying to look more youthful. I don't think
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: he was getting a brow lift, a necklift, or a facelift.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: I don't think he was getting CEO two laser treatment
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: or an upper bluff roplasty. I mean, I do know
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: that it was facial surgery, facial plastic surgery, Nancy. This
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: guy was preparing to go on the LAMB. And what
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: I find interesting is all of these extensive, extensive plans
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: to leave and go somewhere else. I'm trying to think
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: now of people who go to South America or go
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: to Europe. They change their appearance dramatically and they begin
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: a whole new life. I mean, they will get another wife,
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: they will have more children. It's as if the existing
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: family doesn't even matter where. What was he going to
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: do with his four children ages four to seventeen once
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: he went on the LAMB? Was he thinking about them?
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: Probably not? You know, I get suspicious, Dale Carson. And
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: my husband goes on an exercise jag because typically we
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: walk together, and suddenly when he goes to lift whites,
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: I'm like, what God from it? He joined a yuga
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: class that which is never too But this guy goes
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: and gets facial plastic surgery and joins a dating website. Now,
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: if his wife had left him for another man, I
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: could see him having that kind of reaction. But what
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: I don't get is the purchase of duct tape. And
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: wrote del Carson, You're the high profile defense attorney. How
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: are you gonna explain that a way. Well, the problem
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: is that you can't explain that away. And the electronics
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: that are involved in this case, which are massive. I mean,
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: the phone becomes, as you said, the central part and
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: all of this and when it's storing records of what
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: you've been thinking, where you've been writing, all of those
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: things are very indicative of a desire to hurt somebody
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: else and then to leave. Cause we are talking about
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: a missing mom. A Disney trip with the family seemingly
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: turns deadly or did it? So? Straight out to you,
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: jos Goot Morgan, the home, the car at the home,
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: what does that tell you? Yeah, considering that the car
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: was still there, Remember the neighbors actually said they saw
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: her going up and down the road every day, Nancy
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: in this car several times a day. And wouldn't that
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: make sense. I mean they've got four kids, right, But
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: yet she's left with another person. So the car is there.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: That means that they're not in this vehicle that she
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: uses on a regular basis. So that's going to be
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: a big part of putting this puzzle together. Yeah, when
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: it's your behavior, your standard behavior s op that you're
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: in and out of that car throughout the day, then
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: suddenly you're gone and your car is there. If she
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: had left her husband and her four children, she wouldn't
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: have gone in her car. That would make me focus
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: on the home and the car as potential crime locations.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: But does Jean Paul Salamanca from Newsday, His phone also
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: yielded other evidence GPS evidence. Where did the GPS locator
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: place the husband and Marcella Mullinari? The GPS data from
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: from his phone, according to police, have placed them on
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: Kurrn's Road at the Rocky Point Baron's Forest the night
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: of their argument on November twenty second, and soon after
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: the missing person's report was made. So, Jean Paul Salamanca,
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: where is the location? You're describing the forest? Yeah, it
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: was a it's a it's a rocky Point It's a
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: six thousand acre forest. As far as what the description
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: of it is, so it's a PreMaster area. So so
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: Rocky Point Pine Barons. Correct, It's yes, the Rocky Point
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: Baron's Forest. How far was the Rocky Point Baron's Forest
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: from their home? We just loaded up his twelve point
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: six miles. So to you, Joseph Scott Morgan, we learned
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: that the Rocky Point Barons State for US is at
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: twelve and a half miles from the home. Twenty minutes
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: from the home. Um, they have access throughout the day,
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: you have seasonal permits, but the reality is it's huge.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: It's six thousand acres of pine barrens and open lands.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: What about that, Joe Scott, Yeah, this would give you
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: an indication that you know, would he would have familiarity
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: with this location. Nancy. It's only twelve miles away, you know,
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: from where they live, and there's actually a shorter route,
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: but he goes through a more congested area. And this
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: is this is kind of interesting, Nancy. There are multiple
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: points coming from their home in center Reach where you
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: can access the park. There's kind of a southern access
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: a location, and then there's like a primary access location
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: that's this out on kind of the water side. This
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: is really close to the Atlantic Ocean, Nancy. And of
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: course we're on Long Island, but this is particularly close
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: to it. So the family probably has utilized this area
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: in the past. It's got hiking trails and all this
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: sort of thing you probably play equipment for kids. It
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: just looks like it's kind of a natural setting in
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: the midst of a rather densely populated area. Nancy, So
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: what do you do with that? Del Carson, You're the
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: veteran defense attorney. You've got her missing, and what daddy
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: goes to ponder life out in the pine barrens in
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: November December. Well that's the only logical argument, but ultimately
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: it doesn't make any sense. He's pre checking the area
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: to see what's available in that distinct location. And what
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: amazes me is the accuracy of these pings and how
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: close they are to places that the police up to
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: ultimately search crime stories with Nancy Grace the Rocky Point
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: Barons State for us, this is six thousand acres of
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: pine forest, about twenty minutes from his home, and as
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: Jean Paul Salomonca tells us, the pings from his phone
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: placed him there not once, but twice. Why would he
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: go out to the pine barrens in the freezing cold
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: in November and December while his wife is missing? To
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: Jean Paul Salomonca, Jean Paul, what can you tell me
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: about obtaining a search warrant for the Mulinary home? Not
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: the short body was discovered, they had the search warrant
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: was executed that same night, and the forensic examination had
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: revealed that there was the presence of blood in the basement.
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: Take a listen to you our cut eleven our friends
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: at NBC for New York. Evidence inside the Mulinary home
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: tells a different story. Forensic examination and analysis by members
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: of the Suffolk County Crime Lab revealed indication of the
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: presence of blood. Detectives found blood in the basement and
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: in the back of her minivan. Please search Marcello's phone,
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: they found he visited the Rocky Point Barrens, stopping on
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: Curran's Road. To Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor of forensics, joining us,
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: what type of blood do you suspect would be found
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: in the home and the minivan? You know, the type
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: of blood Nancy is going to be depended upon who's
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: occupying the home. Are those spaces specifically, if you have
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: a pet, for instance, you could have pet blood, but
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: more than likely human blood. And when we go out
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: to scenes, Nancy, one of the things that we do
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: is actually test the blood or what we believe to
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: be blood out there. First off, we go through a
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: step where it says, you know this is in fact blood,
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: Then we have to decide what is it human versus animal,
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: And we go through all of these steps at the scene.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: We just don't blindly call an unidentified substance at a
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: scene blood. We have to verify that scientifically because, as
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: you well know, we will get eaten alive in court
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: if we say otherwise. Then you go into this idea
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: of typing, and then from that you go to DNA.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: But what's really important here, Nancy, is what type of
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: volume of blood are we talking about here at the home. Now?
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: You know, we go about everyday life in our homes
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: and we'll have droplets of blood that are found about
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: the home, you know, and that can come from any
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: number of locations. But if you go to that location
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: and you're an investigator and you're looking at this and
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: you have these kind of wide swaths of blood on
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: the on the floor in a centralized area, maybe there's
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: evidence that it's been wiped across the floor where it's
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: there's an attempt to clean it up and this sort
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: of thing. Then that's going to make alarm bells go
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: off in our head. And then you take that you
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: you go to a conveyance like a vehicle and you
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: see that there is significant blood in the back of
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: the vehicle, then you're going to begin as an investigator
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: to put all of this together. Was somebody injured in
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: the home and then the car was used in order
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: to transport them? I don't know for you, for assistance
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: or is it something more sinister As a matter of fact,
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: take a listen to our friends at Newsday. We're working
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: under the theory that the house is the crime scene,
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: the car was used to transport her and she was
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: placed in the pine barrens. Suffolk County Police found the
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: body of Melissa Malinari just off this dead end road
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: in Middle Island Thursday. The body was off the trail,
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: covered with leaves and branches and wrapped in plastic. Investigators
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: continued to gather evidence of the Rocky Point baron State
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: Forest Friday. Prosecutors say the victim had been stabbed twenty
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: times and the torso had backed twenty stab wounds. Take
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: a listen to more in our cut four from ABC seven.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: The case of a missing mother here in centa reach
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: had police suspicious of her husband right away. Marcello Mullinery
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: claimed his wife ran off with another man. He let
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: the police search her vehicle and his phone, and police
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: say he was cooperative until they found her body early
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: yesterday in a wooded area in Middle Island. Forty three
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: year old Marcello Mullinary was arrested shortly after the grim
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: discovery of his missing wife's body, saying nothing today in
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: court as prosecutors described the evidence, his phone GPS showing
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: he'd been to the Rocky Point Pine Barren State Forest
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: early the morning of November twenty third two Doctor Bethany Marcel,
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: psychoanalyst text messages that lay to an abrupt Disney departure.
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: What do ye believe the text messages were? Doctors? Well,
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: this is a little like a tale of two stories,
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: like a tale of two cities. You know, according to
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: the husband, she was having an affair, so he found
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: these text messages and then cut the Disney's trips short.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: But what if this is a Scott Peterson scenario. What if,
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: in fact, he's the one who's having the affair. What
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: if he staged all this so he could get rid
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: of his wife. I mean, I think it's really important,
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: no matter what those text messages say, to really take
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: a deep dive into this marriage, into the behavioral evidence.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: I would guess if there are twenty stab rooms to
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: the torso that whoever did that has extreme rage towards her,
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: I would guess there was ongoing abuse going on. Victims
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: of domestic abuse don't normally have affairs. What they generally
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: do is they begin to reach to outside parties to
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: gain support because they feel themselves to be in desperate,
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: desperate circumstances. And this could be I'm guessing maybe a
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: male or a woman or somebody that she had begun
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: to confide secrets in about the marriage and that felt
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: to him like an affair. Remember, abusers are always jealous,
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: They always feel cheated on, even when there's no real
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: firm evidence to support that. It all begins to unfall.
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut nine our friends at CBS.
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: Two prosecutors say he planned it four weeks, killing the
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: mother of his four children after learning of her alleged
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: extramarital affair. Marcella Mullinari is held without bond. Loved ones
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: raced away from court as police continued scouring the Center
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: Reach home for evidence. The missing person's case of thirty
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: eight year old Melissa Mullinari turned to murder. All the
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: lives that were destroyed in this is It's just the
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: terrible story. November fifth, the family abruptly left Disney World
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: after a marital affair confrontation. On the twenty first, Melissa
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: was lasting in public at her son's soccer game and
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: coach party. The twenty third, Marcello's phone GPS rings in
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: the Pine Barons. Four children ages four to seventeen, s
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: ben Thanksgiving without their mother. A friend not the husband,
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: reports Melissa missing. Marcello's GPS back at the Pine Barons.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: K nine reacts to blood in the basement and her minivan.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: December ninth, Melissa's body found in the Pine Barons Forest,
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: Middle Island, ten miles from her center reach home and
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: to our friend Jennifer McCloughan, CBS two at our cut
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: Tien Prosecutor sy there was marital strife and jealousy when
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: they recovered Melissa's body here twenty stab wounds. She was
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: wrapped in garbage bags, duct tape, with towels, blankets, and
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: saran rap. I mean Dale Carson, you're the high profile
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: defense attorney joining us out of Jacksonville. Saran rap duct tape,
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: I mean well, there's not a way you could argue
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: that that's not premeditated. Do you think he just found
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: those garbage bags and blankets out there and the pine barons? Well,
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: of course it's well planned, as indicated by his effort
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: to find an expedition, food, country and other things. But
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: it's interesting. Under New York law, it appears there's an
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: exception that if you are in fact angry at someone
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: because you think they're being duplicit as sexually, then the
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: result is they can't be prosecuted for premeditated murder. Okay,
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: you just keep dreaming Dale Carson because he may have
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: been angry about an alleged affair, But the fact that
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: he then put in all this time planning the murderer,
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: there's no way this is not going to be premeditated murder.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: And I want to go to you, jose Scott Morgan,
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: professor of forensics at Jacksonville State University. What do you
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: make of the fact that her body was off the
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: trail then covered with leaves and branches and wrap in plastic.
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: What does that tell you about the mind of the killer?
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: That he's highly he's highly disorganized. Keep in mind the
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: individual is taking well let me rephrase that, not only
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: was there plastic, there's also towels. There's also sheets, betting,
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: that sort of stuff that is easily traceable back to
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: a specific individual. I mean, all you have to do
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: is have a friend walked through the house and say, yeah, look,
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: you know we've got the same same betting or the
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: same towels, this sort of thing. There's not a lot
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: of organized thought that goes into this. But here's here's
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: the real problem that this guy's defense is going to have. Nancy.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: There are specific forensic tie backs with him because he
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: is what I refer to as cocooning the body. He
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: has taken this body, this poor woman, and has wrapped her.
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: So all of that evidence that he has left behind,
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: and trust me, there is a myriad of it is
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: going to be contact evidence that he's left behind on
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: the interior of those bags. Also on this tape the
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: body is sealed with, he's going to have what we
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: refer to as plastic prints that you can find on
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: the adhesive surfaces. And not to mention the nature of
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: these injuries is doctor Bethany had mentioned, he's going to
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: be in a dominant position as he is stabbing this
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: woman over and over and over again. The trick is
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: can they marry up the knife that he used? Is
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: it one just like the sheets and towels? Is it
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: something that they had in that home? Did he go
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: and grab a butcher knife? What did he actually use
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: out of the home that inflicted these injuries. Take a
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  Speaker 1: listen to our cut six, our friends at NBC four.
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  Speaker 1: They're saying it was well thought out and planned and
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  Speaker 1: the motive, according to prosecutors marital troubles. They say that
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  Speaker 1: the family had taken a trip to Disney in early
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  Speaker 1: November and that's where the husband learned of an alleged
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  Speaker 1: extra marital affair that his wife was having. They came home,
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  Speaker 1: they entered the trip abruptly. They decided to get divorced,
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  Speaker 1: but they were still living in the same home and
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  Speaker 1: that eventually led to her death. And to ye Jean
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  Speaker 1: Paul Salamanca, where does the case stand right now? Currently?
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  Speaker 1: The US initially for a psychological evaluation in the team
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  Speaker 1: confinement and lady was charged with his wife his west killing.
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  Speaker 1: He's charged with murder hesse. He played guilty as a child.
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  Speaker 1: I set no. I believe he has an attorney and
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  Speaker 1: he had pleaded not guilty to the case to the charges,
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  Speaker 1: so at this juncture the husband, Marcella Millinari, has pled
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  Speaker 1: not guilty in a white trial. Nancy Grace Crum story
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  Speaker 1: signing off goodbye for