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Dark Energies, Negative Entities & What Lies Beyond the Veil (with Jono Angelo) 🔮 · The Psychic Explorer

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Hello, hello, hello! All that did sound rather
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RuPaul Drag Race, didn't it? Hello, you lovely,
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lovely listeners, and welcome to the Psychic
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Explorer. This episode, which is the first of
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two October spooky season episodes, welcome along.
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I'm really looking forward to this. First of
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all, happy birthday to me. No, not me, Matt,
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but to the Psychiexplorer. I have reached a whole
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year of doing this and I know there's a slight
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hiatus at the beginning of the year. However,
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I started in October 2024 and we are already
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in October 2025. Thank goodness I am not ill
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like I was when I first started. I don't have
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that hacking cough. I'm talking to you from my
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back bedroom. And it is blowy. It is rainy. It
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is cold. It is autumn. Yes, it is my favorite
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time of year. I absolutely adore autumn. And
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tomorrow is the first Sunday in October, which
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means only one thing in my house, pumpkin picking.
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I love it. It is an annual tradition in my household
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where we go out, we go to the local farmer where
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they've got loads and loads of pumpkins growing
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in the fields. We go and pick them and we bring
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them back. Invariably, Simon always tells me
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that I've got far too many. Of course, you can
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never have too many pumpkins for the front house.
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We decorate the front doorstep and we decorate
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the house in autumnal colors. It's just, oh,
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I love it. We actually did a road trip. My word.
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Yeah, it would have been ten years ago. We went
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to New England and We flew into New York went
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up to Connecticut hide a car from there and we
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went all around New England Vermont, New Hampshire
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Maine Massachusetts we even managed to make up
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to Montreal for a couple of nights, which oh
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beautiful absolutely stunning but we were really
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inspired by the American take on Halloween or
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salwain as the pagans and the Celts called it
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around my way But growing up in this country,
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it's fair to say that American culture is just
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ingrained in what we see and what we watch, and
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I grew up watching all things American and it
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never really I never really grew I always thought
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that you know Americans were a bit OT or at least
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I thought the portrayal of how they did Halloween
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was OTT and I thought no way can it possibly
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be like that but we went to New England 10 years
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ago to see the autumn colors and we were there
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not for Halloween but for the build -up for it
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and let me tell you these beautiful quintessentially
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New English, old villages and old towns. You
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just can't make out the amount of color, the
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amount of cheer, the chrysanthemums everywhere.
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I don't know why they call it apple cider because
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I'm not sure what else cider is if it's not apples.
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But apple cider is hand -pressed and I remember
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we went to the Vermont country store and... Honestly,
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if you get a chance to go, get a chance to see
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it, then I thoroughly recommend it. And we came
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back and I remember where we lived before. We
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lived in this little new build cul -de -sac.
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And it was the house we were living and we were
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renting just before we bought this house. And
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we were back just in time for Halloween. So I
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went to the local animal supply shop where I
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got myself a small bale of straw or two. Wacked
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that outside the front door, made like a couple
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of stacks of these straw bales, got as many pumpkins
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as I could, went to the shops, got a massive
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bunches of chrysanthemums and I just decorated
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our doorstep and it looked amazing. And when
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Halloween came, I had changed the outside light
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to a green light and there were all these trick
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-or -treaters going around. and Simon said that
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he drove home and as he turned the corner onto
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our cul -de -sac and parked up, he said he was
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shocked because our front door was just mobbed
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by children. No one else, they weren't going
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anywhere else, but all these local kids were
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mobbing our front door for trick or treat, trick
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or treat, and I loved it. I was just opening
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the door and the doorbell was going every five
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seconds. I had to run to the shop, I had to run
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to the co -op to go and get some more sweets
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because we'd run out. But yeah, I love it. I
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think this time of year is so magical. It's so
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atmospheric. I almost prefer it to Christmas,
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if I'm honest. It means more. It has more atmosphere,
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I think. However, Halloween and this spooky season
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is known for ghosts. It's known for horror films.
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It's known for bad energies and bad spirits.
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And this is something I know very little, very
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little about. I have thought about this and I
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thought about well if I'm channeling, you know,
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love and the cliche message when you channel
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a message for a sitter is your loved ones are
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sending you love, your loved ones are really
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proud of you, they're really proud and happy
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with what you're doing and that sort of thing
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which is, you know, as it comes through that's
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how I see it and that's true as to how I see
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it. But I do often think to myself, well, if
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it's all positive, there must be a negative.
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There must be an opposite because my, I don't
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know if it's my belief or my way of seeing the
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world is that it's made of vibration. And a vibration
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is ups and downs. It's ins and outs. It's loud
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and quiet, hot and cold. So by that law, Does
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that mean that with the good, there's also the
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bad? Or the evil? I don't know, but Jono Angelo,
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my guest today, believes he does know. Jono is
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someone who has done many paranormal investigations,
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and when he joined the so -called I go to every
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Wednesday evening, and when Jono came, he came
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with someone else, Jaws, and you will meet Jaws
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in a future episode. But when they came, Nicola
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came up to me and said, Matt, Jono and Jules,
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they do paranormal investigations. You should
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get them onto your podcast. And I was like, all
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right, Nicola, stop pimping them out. But I didn't
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really think too much of it. But I was planning
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my October episode, and I thought, what can I
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do an episode on that I don't know much about?
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And I had done an interview with someone else,
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and that recording is coming out I think in about
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February time. And they have mentioned something
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in their episodes about negative entities. And
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I said, oh, I don't really know. I've not really
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had any experience of that. She signposted me
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to some podcasters and some people to look at
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and to do some reading up on, which I was really
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grateful for. But I said in the interview, I
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said in the episode. not really anything I have
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any experience with and I thought, well, let's
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do that. Let's talk to someone who has got experience
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and Jono has been on many, many, many, many investigations
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and I'm really looking forward for you to hear
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his experiences. Now, I will caveat this that
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he says some stuff which, again, still the moment
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doesn't necessarily resonate with me but that
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does not mean it's untrue or it doesn't mean
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that I'm going to poo poo it. I'm here to hear
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it all. I'm sort of treating this podcast a bit
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of a pick and mix. You take what you like and
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you leave what you don't. And I was really interested
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to speak to Jono So. He does mention a story
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which he was saying that when he was doing a
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house clearance, he came into contact with this
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entity. And he goes into more detail when he
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talks about it, but he said, they helped this
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entity cross over, but that he didn't think that
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they went up. Now that implies that there is
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a down. Again, at the moment with me, that doesn't
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necessarily resonate with me, but I'm not going
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to cut that out. I'm not going to edit that out
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because it might resonate with you. And this
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is what this podcast is all about. These episodes
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are all about giving you a flavor of other people's
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experience so that you can say, yeah, I like
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that or no, not sure about that. At least you
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get to hear other people's points of view. Right,
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enough of me rambling at you for almost nine
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minutes now. Let's get to the show. Here is John
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O 'Angelo talking about paranormal investigations
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and negative energies. Don't get too scared,
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but enjoy. Jono Angelo, welcome to the Psychics
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Flora podcast. Thank you so much for joining
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me. How are you? I'm really well. Thank you so
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much for having me. Can I just say this podcast
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has been going for a year now, a year this October,
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so my podcast birthday. And you are my very first
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boy guest, so thank you. Thank you very much
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for coming on. I'm not gonna make any bones about
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it. We go to the same circle and as all of my
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guests, well most of my guests so far have been
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in our circle. You joined what? About, in my
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mind, I was thinking about six months ago. Yeah,
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I don't know, it wasn't that long ago. Yeah,
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probably April time maybe. Yeah, that sounds
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about right, yeah. And it very soon became apparent
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that you knew your stuff. And Nicholas said to
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me, oh, that Jono over there, he does paranormal
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investigations. He'd be really good to have on
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your podcast. But you do. You do do paranormal
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investigations. And I have a lot of questions
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about this. So before we get started, I guess
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I want to just ask, because I will go through
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the questions about how you got drawn into this
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and all this sort of stuff. What is your background?
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How did you start on your psychic journey? I
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mean my earliest memories were probably when
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I was two or three years old laying in bed at
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night and noticing that I was floating above
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my body and I guess I mean I didn't really know
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what it was at the time but you know, the ceiling
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was where my nose was. That's kind of the impression
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that I was getting. So I had things like that.
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There were other occasions when, I don't know,
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I would go to the end of the bed and it was like
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this, it was this bizarre kind of Narnia thing
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where it went into another world. I mean, I still
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sort of see it in my mind's eye now as we talk
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about it, but those sort of things, there were
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monsters under the bed that obviously weren't
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there when my dad would come. And this would
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be like, you know, eight o 'clock in the morning,
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Saturday morning, I would see these things under
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my bed, but again, not really knowing what they
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were. And then there was an occasion, I don't
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remember this so well, but probably would have
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been when I was about five, I would say. It was
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a Sunday. We'd been to the garden center or something
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like that with my family. We went back to my
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grandma's house and she just moved into this
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new to her council bungalow and I turned around
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and said, oh, who's that lady in your kitchen
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window? And obviously there was nobody there,
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but from what I gathered, the lady that lived
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in that property beforehand had died in that
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property. I've kind of got a vague memory of
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that, but again, I don't know if it's like a
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memory that's been created from the story I've
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been told. So that was the early days, I guess.
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And then fast forward to 2004, I had a family
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holiday in Australia. I had my very first reading
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and the lady that I went to see, the psychic
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medium, she said, you know, you're very, very
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psychic. You're very sensitive. You should develop.
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And obviously this got me very excited because,
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I mean, I've always been interested in ghosts.
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I remember permanently borrowing the Hamlin book
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of ghosts from the school library and thinking,
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you know, why can't I be psychic? You know, reading
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that book continuously for years. In fact, I
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have still got it. But yeah, so 2004, she said
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I was highly psychic and then fast forward a
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bit bit more. I started seeing this really wonderful
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lady. I used to go around to her house, pay her
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a few quid. She would sit smoking cigarettes
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all night. There would be Dark Side of the Moon
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playing on the stereo quite loud. Box of Wine
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on the sideboard. You know, that's the kind of
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scene that we're going for. She was kind of the
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first person that... I guess taught me meditation,
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taught me to tune in. I met my spirit guide for
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the first time, although at the time I didn't
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know it was a spirit guide. I thought it was...
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I actually thought it was St Peter because of
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the way that it presented. And then I changed
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jobs. I couldn't go over there anymore. And then
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I started ghost hunting. And that's kind of,
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I guess, where it all started. So it sounds to
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me that unlike my situation, my story where there's
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a catalyst that happens and then suddenly boom,
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this thing opens up to me, this opened up to
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you from a very young age. And it sounds like
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maybe gradually, but you were definitely in touch
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with something from a young age. So would you
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class yourself, and I don't know if this is a
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taboo phrase to use in our community, I suppose,
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but a natural psychic. I don't know. I mean,
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for me, this really has been a slow burn. This
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hasn't been waking up and all of a sudden, you
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know, I've got Harry and Martha standing at the
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end of the bed wanting to pass on a message to
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their daughter, Rebecca. Quite the contrary,
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really. But my natural gift is healing. That's
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my natural gift. And... It wasn't until probably
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very, very recently, and I mean in the last couple
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of years, that I realised I was clear cognient.
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So everything I've learned sitting in circles
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since probably 2007 or 2008, something like that,
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that's why it was so difficult, why my journey
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was so challenging, because I thought I was clairvoyant
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predominantly, and that just wasn't the case.
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people to say well just ask for the next bit
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of information I'm thinking well of course I'm
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I'm asking for the next piece of information
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and nothing is coming so that I always found
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really frustrating but more more recently I found
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that I'm clear cognient and therefore I've actually
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the reason why I'm back in circles because I'm
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having to relearn everything I've ever known
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because I don't work in the way that I thought
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I did so it's now trying to adjust you know,
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how I work so that I'm using that clairvoyance
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and the psychic connection and whatever else,
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as well as my main kind of clear cognance. So
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it's been a bit tricky trying to balance that
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and find my feet with that. I really love what
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you're saying there because even though this
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opened up to you from a very young age, I think
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the stereotype is that... If that happens to
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someone, if they are open from a very young age
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and they're experiencing these things, they are
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naturally going to be, and forgive me for saying
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this, but naturally going to be an expert and
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naturally going to be really good at it from
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day one. And what you're saying there is actually,
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it still takes practice for you. It still takes
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understanding the different rhythms and how this
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works for you, because what works for you is
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very different to what will work for me, what
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will work for someone else. Yeah, absolutely.
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And the other thing is, you know, what we have
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to remember is this is like learning a new language,
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but the language isn't French or German or another
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language that's fairly similar to English. This
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is like learning Cantonese. It's very different.
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The energies are different to our own, although
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they are similar. So this is a massive journey
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for the vast majority of people. And I think
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that's why I wanted to talk to you today because
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I want it to be really accessible for people.
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I want them to feel as if I'm not some special
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person, I'm just a normal chap who happens to
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work for the NHS who can talk to dead people
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essentially, for want of a better phrase. It
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does take work, it does take dedication, but
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if you do put the work in, you will start to
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see results. to anybody who's listening that
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wants to develop things they've got skills, you
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should do it. Well, on that note, you are here
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this evening to talk about paranormal investigations.
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So my first proper question to you, Jono, tonight
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is what first... drew you into investigating
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the paranormal and part of the question here
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is you know were you more of a believer or a
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skeptic or were you in between but I presume
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from your history and what you were just saying
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there that you were a believer beforehand? Yeah
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I've always been a believer I've always been
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really fascinated with the paranormal and you
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know obviously that interest was propelled by
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borrowing the Hamlin Book of Ghosts. I just loved
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all the stories and then obviously having watched
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Most Haunted, really loving that program. I loved
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Derek Okora, the medium on there. And that's
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what I liked about that program, the fact that
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they did an investigation. They had a psychic
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medium on there who was very good. I know, you
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know, there have been things in the press about
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him. But, you know, I have met Derek Okora and
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I thought he was great. He had a great energy,
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really nice bloke. His evidence was excellent
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at the thing that I went to. I don't know, it
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just put me into that kind of trajectory. It
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was the easiest way to do all that because at
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the time, although I'd been told that I was psychic,
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they didn't have really any kind of concept of
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how to access that or to develop it. So, you
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know, that's kind of what got me into the paranormal
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stuff. Was there a catalyst? Was there something
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that actually brought you to it? No, I don't
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think there was it was just it was just something
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that I I'd always been interested in and an opportunity
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arose to in fact my friend Vicky said that there
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was going to be a local public event and You
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know was I interested in going and I was like,
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yeah, absolutely So we bought tickets. We went
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along to this this particular event and I absolutely
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loved it. I absolutely loved it as with people
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that were interested in the same thing. It was
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all very new. It was all very exciting. It was
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scary as well, you know, because we were in an
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old building in Norwich and there was activity.
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What was that like? What was your first paranormal
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investigation like? So a particular moment I
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recall we sat in, I'll call it an auditorium
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for want of a better word, but we sat in this
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auditorium in a circle on chairs in the dark
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and I think we must have been doing some sort
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of seance or something it's a long time ago and
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I can't really remember but what I do remember
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is seeing this mist manifest in the dark I could
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see it but I guess kind of psychically as well
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as with my with my eyes and a face appeared in
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the mist, in the smoke, which really made me
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jump, to be honest with you. I also mentioned
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it to a person that I was sat next to, who you
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also know. It was like, gosh, you know, things
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do really happen when you go on a ghost hunt.
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So I was just, I was totally hooked. It was,
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I don't know, it just bamboozled me and it was
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just so exciting. An adrenaline high. Oh, completely.
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Absolutely. Yeah. Because when you're watching
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things like Most Haunted or any of the other
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programs on the telly, when you're quite young
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at the time, you think, okay, yeah, I get that
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these things do exist. But, you know, what's
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the likelihood of me actually being able to experience
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that. And on my first paranormal investigation,
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I did. So I was like, I have to do more of this.
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And yeah, we did. We went to several events.
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All right. So you went to your first investigation.
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Why were you interested? Was it the confirmation
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of what you felt? Was it the proof side of it?
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Was it the making contact with another entity?
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Why? I mean that is really difficult to answer
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because I don't know it's just like to me it's
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like asking me well why do you like oranges well
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I just do you know it was just something that
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I guess it just resonated with me it was something
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that is the unknown isn't it it's like UFOs you
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think about UFOs it's kind of not of this world
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and I'm just really my brain is really intrigued
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about things that aren't normal Probably because
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I because I'm not normal, but you know anything
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that's kind of out of the ordinary something
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that's Just not mundane. I just have so much
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interested. I want to find out more I want to
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know all about it and the paranormal was just
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one of those things so To what I can't really
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answer answer it in in the you know Is that black
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and white? Yeah, it's not black and white for
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me. It's just something that, I don't know, just
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so incredibly interested in it. How many things
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have you done over the years? It's hard to say,
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but I mean... I mean, we did them for years and
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years and years, so... Probably not as many as
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a hundred but certainly getting towards that
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figure. I would say Wow, okay. No, that's a lot.
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That's a lot That's a hundred more than me. Yeah
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That's good. And so you've done that many but
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how have your investigation shaped or changed
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your personal belief systems I suppose the only
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thing it really has done is change my perspective
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because When I first started doing these things
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I did find it scary although it's like super
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interested But I think because I've been doing
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it for a number of years now. I've learned a
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lot about What these different things are? and
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naturally you do that you come across things
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in the early days that really are frightening
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but you do a bit of research it happens again
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I do a bit more research and then it just once
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you understand something it's no longer frightening
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I think so in the vast majority of interactions
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I've had They are just people that have walked
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this earth before. They've got a story. They
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might have had a family. They might have a message
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that they're trying to get across. They just
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want to be heard and understood. So I do still
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believe in God and obviously through the years
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that belief has strengthened. It hasn't really
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changed my faith in any way. You know, again,
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another tricky question, a very good question,
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Matt. You're welcome. It hasn't really changed
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my personal belief system because I've always
24:35
believed in those things. Although having said
24:38
that, because I am quite scientific in mind,
24:41
science was always my strongest subject at school,
24:44
so I always want to test it. I'll be the first
24:49
person to debunk something if I can, because
24:52
at the end of the day, the evidence you're getting,
24:55
you want that to be... tangible, you want it
24:59
to be perfect. What's the point in just accepting
25:04
everything as paranormal? Because in most cases,
25:06
it isn't. I'm glad you said that because I will
25:09
come on to that in a moment. You mentioned earlier
25:12
on that there was some controversy around Derek
25:14
Acora, and for those who don't know, Derek Acora
25:17
was a very well -known medium on his TV show
25:20
Most Haunted. And I think the controversy was
25:24
something along the lines of he came out with
25:26
this name. and actually this name was an anagram
25:29
of Derek Acora is a fraud. Yeah, it was something
25:32
like that, wasn't it? That's what I remember
25:35
it being. Yeah. It was, yeah, something like
25:36
that. And the producers had basically fed him
25:38
this name. And he went in saying, oh, it's this
25:41
person. And it was like, this is this anagram.
25:43
So I'm glad that you are saying that scientific
25:47
or that you asked, you approached this with a
25:50
scientific base. But I wonder also, before we
25:52
get to that question, have you ever had a specific
25:55
experience? that directly challenged what you
25:59
thought you knew. You said that you went into
26:02
situations where it scared you, you went away,
26:05
did some research, you saw or you encountered
26:08
that thing again, and throughout those different
26:11
interactions with that thing, whatever that thing
26:14
is, you understood it more. So have you ever
26:16
had an experience that directly challenged what
26:19
you thought you originally knew? The group that
26:22
I'm involved in went to a house in Lowestoft
26:27
and there'd been some reported activity in this
26:32
particular house but it was like quite negative.
26:36
It felt dark, some of the kind of stuff was quite
26:41
creepy. We had only just started the investigation.
26:45
We were in a very small bedroom and it felt different.
26:50
You walk in the room and it'd feel really heavy,
26:52
it'd feel oppressive. They had like two single
26:56
like child -sized beds in it from what I remember
26:58
and as I walked into the room at the bottom of
27:01
the beds towards the the beds sort of furthest
27:04
away from the wall I was stabbed in this in this
27:08
I think in this in the side of my stomach and
27:12
I mean I've I have been pushed before on an investigation
27:17
which was a bit alarming at the time, but this
27:20
was a proper, a proper, it felt like I was stabbed
27:23
in the stomach. So much so, you know, obviously
27:25
I'd made a noise and kind of bent over because
27:28
it felt, it physically felt as if somebody had
27:31
properly stabbed me. Wow. And then obviously
27:34
that feeling, that sensation went away fairly
27:36
quickly. I invited Jules to come into the room.
27:40
She's a lady that I work with very closely on
27:43
these things and people will hear more about
27:45
her in due course. The exact same thing happened
27:49
to her as well. So that was quite interesting
27:53
because you hear about people being touched or
27:56
prodded or pushed. You don't expect it. Anyway,
28:00
the interesting thing about this to be very sensitive
28:05
how I talk about this but it felt as if it was
28:09
a really negative energy and when we talk about
28:13
negative energies we we think about things that
28:16
are of a lower vibration I'm not going to mention
28:20
the words because I don't like to but the opposite
28:23
of God and Jesus and all those lovely things
28:26
all the light stuff the opposite of that so you
28:28
know when you're watching these programs on telly
28:30
they're all talking about the big D words aren't
28:32
they etc And so you sort of think, is it that?
28:36
Is it that kind of stuff coming in? What it happens
28:39
to be was a male energy who was unkind to children.
28:49
I'll put it that way. And this entity was hiding
28:54
in the basement of this property. Now, it's an
28:57
old Victorian property with a shop at the bottom.
29:00
so this is like a three three or four story building
29:03
really old and this apartment is two or three
29:08
stories so you've got like the first floor where
29:10
you've got your kitchen you've got your lounge
29:11
you've got a spare bedroom then you move up you've
29:14
got more bedrooms and a bathroom and then you've
29:16
got like in into the attic you've then got like
29:18
a another big bedroom in below the actual shop
29:22
was a seller and this entity was hiding in the
29:28
cellar because we were really struggling to kind
29:30
of get this thing to move on. We worked out that
29:34
it was hiding because of, well, he was hiding
29:37
because of what he'd done. He didn't want to
29:40
come to terms. He didn't want to cross over because
29:43
he didn't want to, I guess, face judgment for
29:45
the really disgusting things that had happened.
29:49
What I learned in that moment was that by enticing
29:54
him with love, despite what he'd done, it was
30:02
much easier for him to deal with. He was more
30:06
willing to come forward, he wasn't hiding, and
30:11
we got him to essentially cross over, although
30:16
where he went I don't think was up. Oh, you're
30:22
saying some stuff here, Jono, which is really
30:24
opening up something which I really want to quiz
30:29
you more on. And I want to do it in a very respectful
30:32
way because you know that I am feeling you toward
30:36
this and I've not formed my belief systems yet
30:41
about what I do or don't necessarily believe
30:43
in. I don't know. I've always said, throughout
30:46
my growing up and throughout my years, I've always
30:49
said, you'd be really silly to say, yes, something
30:53
definitely does exist because it's still a slither
30:58
of you're not quite sure. Equally, you'd be just
31:02
as arrogant to say, no, it doesn't exist. So
31:04
I've always sort of lived in that sort of in
31:07
-between sort of stage. I guess I was always
31:10
a bit the same, although I've always believed
31:12
in the afterlife. I guess because of my... years
31:16
of exposure to various different things, different
31:19
levels of, you know, vibration, whether it's
31:22
higher or lower, you know, you start to form
31:25
a picture on your mind about what you believe
31:26
because, you know, you base it on what you've
31:29
experienced, don't you? So I think paranormal
31:32
investigating would be a great way for you to
31:36
start forming those opinions. If you're just
31:40
doing readings, you're just sitting on the kind
31:42
of the psychic or the mediumship vibration. You're
31:45
really limiting yourself potentially on what
31:49
you can experience and I think if we're working
31:50
in this world, in this field, we need to expose
31:55
ourselves to all of the different facets that
31:58
it has because that then helps you to develop
32:02
a really well -rounded, informed feeling or opinion
32:08
on what's going on. I'll always caveat this.
32:13
What I'm talking about comes from my opinion,
32:17
it comes from my experience. I'm certainly no
32:19
oracle on these things and there'll be other
32:21
people that have had completely different experiences
32:23
doing the same things to myself. So I'm not talking
32:28
to you saying this is gospel, this is just my
32:32
experience, this is what I've seen, what I've
32:34
felt, what I've experienced. Enjoy interpretation.
32:38
Absolutely, yeah. Okay, for me that makes things
32:42
much clearer because I was, I'll tell you one
32:45
thing, I went to a workshop with a very well
32:48
-known psychic last year and it was really good.
32:52
I've really enjoyed it, I learnt a lot and I
32:54
seem to get some really good evidence. But we
32:58
were sat around and there was this guy who used
33:03
to be in an old circle that I went to and he
33:06
was into... house clearances and he was calling
33:10
them rescue circles and stuff like that and I've
33:12
always been a bit oh okay not sure how I feel
33:15
about that and he said this out you know he said
33:18
this when we were in the in this workshop with
33:22
this well -known medium and he said oh I do clearances
33:27
of spirits help them move on and rescue circles
33:30
and the medium's face sort of scrunched up and
33:34
said That doesn't exist. I'm really sorry, but
33:39
that doesn't happen. I disagree. And well, this
33:43
is it. And there was a straight away, the tension
33:45
in the room went straight up and I was like,
33:48
oh, oh, this is awkward because you've got one
33:52
person who is, like I say, a well -known spiritualist,
33:55
a well -known medium. And she was saying, no,
33:58
this definitely does not. He was quite adamant
34:01
that this sort of stuff did exist. But at the
34:05
same time, he came out with some really wackadoo
34:09
ideas during our regular circle, which made me
34:11
think, oh, that just doesn't resonate with me
34:14
at the moment. No, and it's just because he's
34:16
on a different vibration. The vibration that
34:19
this chap is on is to do rescue circles. I've
34:22
done rescue work. I've done a lot of rescue work.
34:25
I've sat in rescue circles before. it does exist
34:29
in my experience it's just that this chap is
34:32
on a frequency whereby his calling is to do this
34:35
because that's his way of serving spirit the
34:38
person that was saying no it doesn't exist this
34:40
it's just not there it's not on their vibration
34:43
at the moment for them to experience that so
34:47
my next question is going to be and i think this
34:50
first half is going to be very practical the
34:54
ins and outs of this sort of stuff My next question
34:58
is going to be what are they being rescued from?
35:02
What's the mechanics? What's the practicalities
35:08
of these people that have died, these souls,
35:10
these spirits? What's happening to them that's
35:14
causing them to be stuck? So basically, I guess
35:18
to put it in layman's terms, the opportunity
35:22
for them to cross over Has passed essentially
35:27
so you know when we when we die my belief is
35:31
that the door opens There might be somebody to
35:34
come and collect us whether that's a loved one
35:36
or a spirit guide or an angel or whatever But
35:39
that that door can't stay open indefinitely And
35:43
it may be that they choose that they don't at
35:45
this time want to cross over they may not even
35:47
realize that they've died And especially if they've
35:50
had a very traumatic death they may not realise
35:53
that they've died, they may have unfinished business
35:56
here, they may have been somebody who's lost
36:01
a loved one, so for example a mother may not
36:04
cross over because they've lost their child and
36:06
they're desperately looking for their child.
36:10
Usually it's based on trauma, so unfinished business,
36:14
trauma that has not been resolved and the purpose
36:19
of a rescue is to communicate with them to let
36:26
them know that they have died, that they have
36:28
passed away. To convince them if they want to
36:35
you can't force them. It's they have free will
36:37
But the to give them the opportunity to cross
36:40
over so there are people who are able to Show
36:45
them the light show them the doorway to take
36:48
them through that doorway To show them love so
36:52
that they feel that they're able to leave the
36:55
physical world and go back home where obviously
36:59
in most cases their loved one is waiting. And
37:02
what you can do with that, if you are a psychic
37:05
medium and you're interested in doing this, when
37:09
you open the doorway for them, most cases the
37:13
loved one they're looking for is in the light.
37:16
So that door opens and you can see that loved
37:19
one there. So all you've got to do is just guide
37:22
them to that light and the rest is they just
37:25
go. quite easily usually sometimes they may want
37:29
to come back so you have to convince them that
37:31
if they want to come back they can come back
37:33
in visitation but actually really they would
37:36
be better off to to cross over so they can process
37:39
the things that have happened to them they can
37:42
heal from any traumas that they've had and then
37:45
they can ascend and move on and and you know
37:48
develop as a soul. Okay next question sorry I'm
37:52
just I'm using this opportunity Jono as as an
37:56
opportunity to just get all these questions I've
37:58
had running around in my head for the past year
38:01
or two thinking well surely this is if you would
38:05
be so bold and just let me just say something
38:08
a theory that I have so you mentioned a minute
38:12
ago the d word you don't want to mention the
38:16
full word which I'm intrigued by that in itself
38:19
but anyway About 18 months or so ago, we had
38:24
some herbs around the house, shall we say. Were
38:28
you smoking them? No, we did put them in some
38:32
chocolate, which... And I have always said, whenever
38:36
I do weed, and this is not an endorsement, but
38:39
anyone to do weed, so I will just put that out
38:41
there as a disclaimer. If it's illegal in your
38:43
country, please don't do it, but, you know, you're
38:47
an adult and not that lot. Whenever I recently
38:51
whenever I've done it it takes me to another
38:53
world like literally like suddenly my mind goes
38:56
and I just I seem to understand the universe
38:59
and the last time I did it was about 18 months
39:01
ago this concept of vibration just came to me
39:05
like everything is a vibration there's a yin
39:10
to every yang And I thought, well, if I take
39:13
that literally, like, if there is so many loving
39:16
spirits out there who watch over us and they
39:18
do all this sort of stuff, whatever that concept
39:21
might be, surely there must be a negative as
39:23
well. But that very rarely gets spoken about
39:27
unless it's in a horror film sort of setting.
39:30
Yeah, absolutely. You know, there is always an
39:36
opposite. If you have light, there is dark. if
39:40
you have warmth you have cold so there's always
39:42
an opposite and the reason why we have that in
39:45
my opinion is to allow us to fully understand
39:49
to fully appreciate the extremes you know you
39:52
can't feel pure true love unless you can also
39:57
understand and feel hate otherwise it wouldn't
40:01
necessarily feel like love it would just feel
40:02
like Well, it would just feel like nothing in
40:06
particular. So you need those extremes You need
40:08
the dry you need the wet you need the cold you
40:10
need the warm all of those things help us to
40:12
understand and appreciate and get to grips with
40:16
What what reality is or our perceived reality
40:21
in this lifetime? So what are? These negative
40:27
forces are they spirit what? What are they? Your
40:33
question has a complex answer because you've
40:38
got energies which have never been human and
40:42
these are energies that can be formed from an
40:46
amalgamation of negative thoughts, negative energy,
40:51
so somebody being murdered creates a negative
40:54
footprint. You could have somebody just putting
40:59
negative thoughts out there, I hate myself, you're
41:02
a horrible person, blah blah blah. You can't
41:05
destroy energy, energy just moves on to a different
41:08
place. When you have all of that energy coming
41:11
together, think of a war zone for example, you'd
41:13
probably find there's an awful lot of, I'll use
41:18
the D word, there may be a lot of demonic activity
41:21
in somewhere like a war zone because of the suffering
41:25
that's going on there. the hatred, all of those
41:29
really horrible low energy vibrations coming
41:33
together, so you've got those sort of energies,
41:35
so they become something that can portray itself
41:40
in a way that it wants to, so almost like a shape
41:43
-shifter maybe, so it can change form. You've
41:46
got people that have been or done negative things
41:50
when they were on Earth in a human form, and
41:53
people, let's say, you know, people like murderers,
41:55
for example. They obviously they have been human
42:00
instead of turning to God They can work for the
42:03
the devil or Satan or whatever you want to call
42:05
it. It's complicated There's lots of different
42:08
things and then you've got like elemental energy.
42:11
So this is this is kind of I guess this probably
42:15
goes back to like Celtic or pagan times or something
42:18
like that Elemental energies tends to be and
42:22
they're not always negative but things like imps
42:24
for example They are there really to protect
42:28
the earth, to help the land, to help Mother Nature,
42:32
but they can be a little bit mischievous almost.
42:35
So sometimes those things can come across as
42:38
being negative. They can do negative things,
42:40
they can trick you. They're not necessarily nasty,
42:44
but yeah, they can come across that way. Are
42:52
you scared yet? Are you terrified? I am really
42:56
curious to hear what you think of what Jono is
42:58
saying. I still am not sure where I'm at yet,
43:02
if I'm honest, but I am looking forward to finding
43:05
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43:38
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43:40
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43:43
to it. So without me blabbering on anymore, let's
43:46
get back to Jono and his paranormal investigations.
43:55
Okay, Jono, let's go back to the mechanics of
43:58
this paranormal investigating then. Do you think
44:01
that science can ultimately explain paranormal
44:03
activity? Or are there some things that are just
44:08
beyond measurement? Well, the technology that
44:16
we're able to access now in paranormal investigations
44:20
is certainly improving. I mean, when I first
44:22
started, we'd go out with a thermometer, a dictaphone,
44:29
and probably an EMF meter, and that was pretty
44:32
much it. And even those things, you had to pay
44:34
a bit of money for. Nowadays, you've got... all
44:38
sorts of equipment you've got Frank's boxes which
44:41
scan radio frequencies in a particular manner
44:45
so that they kind of almost generate white noise
44:48
and you know you can hear live interactions with
44:53
ghosts so I don't think it can I think you need
44:59
I think you need You need somebody who is able
45:03
to communicate with them, i .e. a medium, and
45:08
using the information that a medium can pick
45:10
up, as well as kind of the scientific stuff so
45:15
that you can... Because obviously science is
45:17
a man -made way of, I guess, testing natural
45:21
things, isn't it? So, no, I don't think it can
45:25
ultimately prove the paranormal, but I think
45:29
it will help. certain people understand it in
45:32
a better way, people that may not be using their
45:35
gifts, if that would make sense. Yeah, no, that
45:38
makes sense. Because I always wonder, like, you
45:40
know, given science enough time, it's going to
45:44
be able to explain everything, but... Some stuff,
45:46
though, we're just not meant to know. It would
45:48
not serve a purpose for us to know or understand
45:52
that in this lifetime. Obviously, the theory
45:55
is that when we go back home and we cross over
45:58
when we die, we would know, we would have that
46:02
knowing and that knowledge. So we don't necessarily,
46:04
that's why we would forget it when we, when we're,
46:06
you know, coming back here to have this physical
46:08
experience because we don't need to know those
46:11
things. So you were talking about EMS, there
46:14
are frank boxes, which are not underwear. Do
46:17
you say underwear? Yeah, frank boxes. I just
46:25
got what you were saying. What role do those
46:27
tools have? in your investigations, I know you've
46:31
explained a little bit about the France boxes,
46:34
but how do you use them to ensure that you approach
46:37
spirits respectfully? I mean these are really
46:40
important things because we're looking to build
46:43
up a picture of the evidence, any evidence that
46:47
we're able to collect, we want to be able to
46:50
say that we've used this particular device, which
46:52
is a trusted and known piece of equipment. We
46:57
want to use that alongside any information that
47:00
we've gotten from one of the mediums or the psychic
47:03
mediums there that we've got. I guess we want
47:06
to know that if we're going to go back to that
47:09
location and we found a particular piece of information,
47:13
can that be replicated? Because if it can, does
47:16
it? there's a reason that it can be replicated
47:19
because it's paranormal or is it for some other
47:21
reason. So it just gives you a good basis to
47:23
start from. In terms of respect, I mean, you
47:28
have got to show respect. If you think about
47:30
it, if you walked into, let's say you walked
47:33
into a social club, okay, you've never been there
47:36
before. It's in a part of England or a part of
47:39
the world that you've never been to before in
47:41
your life. You don't know the culture, you don't
47:43
know the people. If you walked in there and said,
47:47
and started shouting and screaming at them, what
47:49
do you think the response is going to be? They're
47:51
either going to tell you to go away or they're
47:55
going to hide and run. And the whole point of
47:58
doing this is that we're there to communicate,
48:00
we're there to be respectful and showing love,
48:03
showing kindness, showing respect, speaking to
48:06
them in a way that you would want to be spoken
48:09
to if you were a spirit or even as a normal person.
48:12
You tend to get better results. As you're talking,
48:17
I'm really making myself question things that
48:21
regular listeners will know that I listen to
48:23
podcasts all day every day about all sorts of
48:25
things. And a lot of the things I have heard
48:29
about this sort of stuff so far, you know, after
48:32
life, it's full of love, it's very light, it's
48:35
very, you know, it's all about going back home.
48:40
It's about becoming... almost all -knowing, omnipotent
48:46
almost, you're talking about these spirits, these
48:52
people who have not moved on, but you're talking
48:55
about, and I mean, again, when I say this, Jono,
48:58
I mean this with respect to you, but I'm just
49:00
conscious of how it might sound, but you're talking
49:03
about them as if they still are in their mindset
49:08
of when they're in their living body. And I guess
49:10
in my head, when you die from what I have heard
49:15
and again I don't know I've not experienced it
49:18
yet not this time around anyway but once you
49:22
leave your body you're sort of I guess you would
49:24
say some of them don't always go back home because
49:26
they are stuck here I guess with that does that
49:30
mean that they are also stuck with their mindset
49:32
of their humanness? I think that is the case
49:37
yeah because They haven't transitioned, they
49:39
haven't gone back home, they haven't then had
49:41
that life review where they can experience what
49:44
they put upon people, understand how that made
49:48
those people feel, they haven't had that kind
49:51
of moment to reflect. So although they're not
49:55
in a physical body, they still feel that they
50:01
are. So they're still living that life, they
50:03
just don't necessarily know that they're not
50:05
in the physical world. But also it's complicated
50:09
because they may choose to not want to go back
50:12
because they don't want to fess up to things,
50:15
they don't want to hit that head on, even though
50:19
they know they're not in their body anymore.
50:21
But I still think, based on what I've experienced,
50:26
that they still have that mindset, if that makes
50:31
sense. It's complicated. There isn't an answer
50:34
for... there isn't an all -encompassing answer
50:37
because I'll see these things will depend on
50:40
the individual. And that's the other thing, these
50:43
things that we're talking about are fairly subjective.
50:45
We were saying earlier on that you have your
50:47
point of view, somebody else listening to this
50:49
will have their point of view. Absolutely. And
50:52
I guess we won't know until we get there ourselves.
50:54
But what you're saying actually makes a lot,
50:56
and thank you for bearing with me, I know that
50:58
I sound like I'm a right div with this sort of
51:01
stuff. I'm literally just sort of thinking out
51:03
loud because sometimes it takes me to talk to
51:06
someone like you who has plenty of experience
51:09
with this world or with this sort of thing to
51:12
make me think, oh okay, maybe it doesn't work
51:15
quite like I was thinking, maybe there's another
51:17
element and actually when you're explaining that,
51:19
that explains it to me. and makes it make much
51:22
more sense to me. It's just not black and white,
51:24
that's the problem. So I can give you an example
51:27
of something but you know that's not necessarily
51:29
the case each and every time and this is why
51:32
we like to use the equipment because it builds
51:35
up a picture scientifically but also it might
51:37
back up something that a psychic is picking up
51:40
or also the psychic might pick something up that
51:42
the equipment isn't able to so it gives you a
51:45
broad a broader perspective but there isn't just
51:48
a that's black and that's white and that's yellow
51:51
and that's red is incredibly complicated. Really
51:56
for you Matt you need to experience a paranormal
51:59
investigation to be able to start to understand
52:03
it. Well buckle up listeners because there might
52:06
be something coming up. Let's get back to the
52:13
questions though before I tease that some more
52:17
to the dear listeners. We are recording this,
52:20
well, this is going out in October. This is our
52:23
Halloween. This is my Halloween editions. Halloween
52:27
is said to be the time of year when the veil,
52:30
whatever that means, is thinner. What are your
52:34
personal beliefs around this season? There are
52:38
a number of different beliefs regarding Halloween.
52:40
I think the pagans or Celtics believed or celebrated
52:45
that as a... I think it was the Samhain festival,
52:49
which marked the end of harvest and the beginning
52:51
of winter. Personally, I'm more aligned with,
52:54
I guess, a spiritualist belief in that the veil
52:57
becomes thinner between this world and the next.
53:02
I just love the, I love the kind of the Americanism,
53:05
the celebration, the spookiness, you know, the
53:09
parties, all the decorations, watching a scary
53:13
movie with friends, that's what I like. But yeah,
53:17
for me it's like, it is a time where you could
53:20
do a paranormal investigation and probably have
53:24
quite a lot of activity. Having said that, it
53:29
can also be you know, a great time to do a paranormal
53:32
investigation if you've got a full moon, because
53:34
the energies are stronger. So yeah, that's my
53:38
belief. It's, you know, the veil is thinner,
53:40
potential to interact with a vaster spectrum
53:45
of spirits, because I guess also the ambience
53:49
around Halloween is that it is spooky and frightening.
53:54
your senses are heightened as well. So yeah,
53:57
it's a great time to get out there and investigate.
54:01
Well on that note, I am actually going to be
54:05
doing an investigation with your good friend
54:07
Jules and she has agreed for me to come along
54:10
and record a paranormal investigation. So that
54:13
will be going out in December. Listen up for
54:17
that guys because I'm really looking forward
54:19
to that and we'll have a chat with Jules as well
54:21
after that too. sort of analyse what happened
54:24
and John I think you're going to be there as
54:27
a sort of a silent partner you'll be the one
54:28
in the background doing the technical stuff I
54:30
think is that right? Yeah I'm going to be doing
54:32
some technical stuff on that investigation I
54:35
mean if I if I pick up psychically then obviously
54:38
I'll use that information to assist the investigation
54:42
but yeah you're going to be dealing mainly with
54:45
the oracle that is Jules Bailey so you're in
54:49
very safe hands with her. I'm looking forward
54:52
to it. I've not done anything like this before
54:54
in my life, so I'm really looking forward to
54:56
it. Thank you so, so much, Jono. I feel like
55:00
I have learned a heck of a lot. You said some
55:02
things that are wrong, which didn't necessarily
55:04
resonate with me originally, but actually the
55:06
more I sit with it, the more it sort of makes
55:08
sense. So thank you for giving me your point
55:11
of view. And again, I urge anyone who has questions
55:14
about this sort of thing to ask questions, to
55:17
take in as much information as you can, and based
55:19
on your own experiences, go forward with that
55:23
with with make your opinion with the experiences
55:26
that you have okay before i let you go jonno
55:31
i've got a few quick fire questions for you i've
55:33
not sent these to you so these are off the cuff
55:35
okay sorry to spring this on you it's halloween
55:41
what is your favorite horror or halloween film
55:48
Do you know what, I really like the Poltergeist
55:51
franchise. And the reason I love that, I mean
55:54
I love Stephen King stuff, but the reason I particularly
55:58
love that one is because when I'm watching that
56:01
film, all the ghosts are coming in, all the spirits
56:04
are starting to come in, everything on me is
56:08
tingling, I can feel the energy in the room.
56:10
So that for me is a great film because... They're
56:14
in the room with me, you know? They're literally
56:16
there here. Literally. If you could invite three
56:23
spirits, ghosts or historical figures to join
56:26
you for a Halloween seance, who would you pick?
56:31
I would pick Jack the Ripper. Keep it light.
56:37
Keep it light, yeah. I would also probably pick...
56:44
For Halloween crikey. Oh god, you do throw these
56:47
tricky questions at me. I would also pick I Think
56:54
it was Leslie Neal's is it Leslie Nielsen from
56:57
the naked gun? Yes, that's awesome. Brilliant.
57:00
I love that because he's he's funny and I'd probably
57:04
throw in a wild card George Michael Oh Because
57:12
I love George Michael. You know what, you do
57:16
give George Michael vibes with your beards, actually.
57:19
I do, I'm growing it at the moment because I'm
57:21
going bald, so I'm moving from the top to the
57:25
bottom. Right, third quickfire question and final
57:31
one, you'll be happy to hear this final one.
57:33
If you could ask the spirit world one single
57:36
question and be guaranteed a clear answer, what
57:40
would you ask? When am I going to win the lottery?
57:45
Now, I'm joking. I would ask, what is the meaning
57:49
of life? Although I think I know the answer to
57:53
that, but that's probably what I would ask. Very
57:57
good. Thank you, Jono. Where can people find
57:59
you? I know that you have another podcast. You
58:02
have a podcast with your friend, Rob Morgan.
58:06
called the Psychic Unplugged, which has just
58:08
launched, and I listened to that yesterday, it's
58:10
very good by the way. So what's the plan around
58:13
that one then? Yeah, so Rob is a really, really
58:17
close friend of mine and again, he's a psychic,
58:21
he's a scientist at heart. He's a high band in
58:28
the NHS, you know, very scientifically minded,
58:31
very... kind of practical person, but he is really
58:35
interested in, I guess, spirits, paranormal stuff,
58:39
that kind of thing. I went to visit him, I mean
58:42
he's known about what I've done for forever,
58:46
but I went to see him, he lives in Bristol, went
58:48
to see him in December last year, and I had the
58:54
feeling that he is a really good medium, he just
58:58
doesn't know it yet. And so I did some mediumship
59:01
with them, they had a friend over, and I got
59:05
Rob to tune in and pick up on a random spirit
59:10
that needed our help. Again, bit of a rescue
59:13
actually. And he was able with my guidance to...
59:20
do mediumship to do this. So that sparked his
59:24
interest and he contacted me and he said, I've
59:28
got loads of questions about being psychic, ghosts,
59:33
doing mediumship, healing, all of that stuff,
59:36
it really fascinates me. But I want to do it
59:38
from a layman's point of view. So that's what
59:40
it is. So Rob is the layman. He's asking me as
59:44
many questions as he can in this series, and
59:47
I'm just going to answer them as best as I can.
59:50
I guess from my point of view, as I said earlier,
59:53
I'm not the expert on any of these things, but
59:56
I just speak from my experience, how I see things.
1:00:00
And from that, hopefully, it will inspire others
1:00:04
to... jump in and start their own journey. Yeah.
1:00:09
Brilliant. Thank you very much, Jono. Really
1:00:13
happy to have you on this episode of The Psychic
1:00:16
Explorer, my first boy guest for my year anniversary
1:00:19
episode. Thank you very much, Jono. Thank you,
1:00:22
Matt. The very spooky Jono Angelo with his explanations
1:00:42
on paranormal investigations and negative entities.
1:00:45
Thank you so much, Jono. I really appreciated
1:00:48
his insight in that episode. Like I said, there's
1:00:51
still some stuff which I'm not sure about just
1:00:54
because I personally haven't experienced it.
1:00:56
But as I said in that interview, I sort of sit
1:00:59
on the fence. I'm not gonna put my toe fully
1:01:02
in, yes it does, and I'm not gonna put my toe
1:01:04
in, no it definitely doesn't, until I have experienced
1:01:07
it. So we shall see if this paranormal investigation
1:01:12
that I will be participating in reveals anything.
1:01:16
I cannot tell you how much I am looking forward
1:01:20
to this. I have been re -listening to my favorite
1:01:22
spooky podcast to try and just get myself in
1:01:25
the mind frame of an investigation you've seen.
1:01:29
or feeling or, I don't know, sensing something
1:01:33
on that investigation. There might be absolutely
1:01:35
nothing and that is absolutely fine. But whatever
1:01:39
we get, I will bring it to you. That is going
1:01:42
to be the winter solstice edition. So look out
1:01:46
for that in December. I cannot wait to bring
1:01:49
that to you. And of course, I will be having
1:01:51
a chat with Jules Bailey, who will be conducting...
1:01:56
facilitating, I guess, the paranormal investigation
1:01:59
that I'll be on. So yeah, just cannot wait, looking
1:02:02
forward to that. Right, this episode has gone
1:02:04
over the 60 -minute mark, so I want to keep this
1:02:06
very, very brief. I just want to say thank you
1:02:10
to you. If you have been listening this whole
1:02:13
time... since I started back in October last
1:02:17
year. Just thank you for your support. The occasional
1:02:21
comments I get through, the occasional follows
1:02:24
I get through, honestly, each and every one of
1:02:27
them means the world to me. You'll remember from
1:02:31
my episode two, red car, yellow car, brackets,
1:02:35
validation, where yes, I overused the word validation.
1:02:39
ever so slightly, but I do enjoy validation.
1:02:43
I put the episode for Scotland together and it
1:02:47
took so long. I really got in my head when I
1:02:51
put that online. I was thinking, is it worth
1:02:54
it? If I'm going to level with you guys, and
1:02:57
this podcast is all about being honest, my listenership
1:03:01
is quite low, to the point where I was thinking.
1:03:05
Is this even worth it? Like the time and the
1:03:08
effort that I put into producing these episodes,
1:03:11
I was really considering just stopping because
1:03:14
I was just thinking, is it even worth the time
1:03:16
and effort? I've always put these episodes out
1:03:18
with the mind frame of whoever needs these is
1:03:21
going to find them. And I'm not. comparing myself
1:03:25
to other very successful podcasts. I'm not trying
1:03:28
to compare myself to other people who might fly
1:03:31
with this sort of thing, who might even come
1:03:34
really naturally to. I'm trying not to compare
1:03:37
myself to them but it is hard and a comparison
1:03:39
is a thief of joy and I was really feeling that
1:03:44
theft of my joy when I put that last episode
1:03:48
out for Scotland. And just as I, and it's so
1:03:53
weird how these things work because I felt it
1:03:56
a few times where I thought, is it worth it?
1:03:59
I don't think it's worth it. And every time I
1:04:01
felt that pang of disappointment, I guess, someone
1:04:08
messaged me. I had a couple of messages come
1:04:10
through and each of those messages to those people,
1:04:14
one of them, you know who you are because we
1:04:17
had a bit of a back and forth about this. But
1:04:20
just want to say thank you so much for your support.
1:04:23
Thank you so much for reaching out and telling
1:04:25
me that these episodes make a difference to your
1:04:29
days. It just warms my heart beyond measure.
1:04:35
I cannot tell you how much that means to me.
1:04:38
And it just validates that I am putting these
1:04:41
episodes out for the right reason. Those people
1:04:43
who need it will find it. So... On that note,
1:04:50
I will leave it because this episode has gone
1:04:51
on way too much. However, my goodness me, I am
1:04:54
rubbing my hands and I cannot wait for the next
1:04:58
episode. Jono is rejoining me to listen to your
1:05:04
ghost stories. The stories that you have sent
1:05:07
in, my wonderful, dear listeners, you have so
1:05:11
very generously sent me. Some of your stories
1:05:15
and Jono and I are going to listen to these live
1:05:17
and we're going to discuss them. Uncanny style,
1:05:22
so cannot wait for that. I'm going to love you
1:05:25
and leave you. I will speak to you in a couple
1:05:27
of weeks where we discuss your ghost stories.
1:05:30
Love you all. Take care. Bye.