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INTERVIEW: Erick Sermon Clarifies Diddy Incident, Owning His Publishing, Iconic Sound + More · The Breakfast Club

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  Speaker 1: Every day a week up the Breakfast Club.
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  Speaker 2: Y'all done morning.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody's d J n V. Just hilarious.
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  Speaker 3: Charlamagne the guy we are the Breakfast Club. La La
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  Speaker 3: Ros is here as well, and we got a special guest.
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  Speaker 4: In the building, legendary Eric.
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  Speaker 5: You know you're one of the greatest producers of all time,
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  Speaker 5: and we're gonna get to that in a second. You
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  Speaker 5: need to get to this ridiculous ass story that you
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  Speaker 5: told on the Diddy Documents.
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  Speaker 2: Already.
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  Speaker 4: I've been wanting to talk to you about this since
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  Speaker 4: I saw you.
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  Speaker 5: Now, when you sat down and told this story right,
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  Speaker 5: and then went back and watched it, right, did you
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  Speaker 5: say to yourself I told her wrong.
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  Speaker 4: That's not ridiculous.
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  Speaker 6: No, it's just not ridiculous. I'm gonna tell you what
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  Speaker 6: what I said was the truth. I never capt so
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  Speaker 6: what I did said was the truth how it went down,
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  Speaker 6: you know, because again me and missus friends, I love
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  Speaker 6: me to the death.
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  Speaker 2: I would never put do something.
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  Speaker 6: Just try to disrespect that, because behind the scenes I
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  Speaker 6: gave her the number to call Alex and she wrote
• 1:05
  Speaker 6: in the text too. Oh yeah. If it wasn't for Eric,
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  Speaker 6: I wasn't even reached out. She told Alex no about
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  Speaker 6: the documentary. So I wouldn't even did that if I
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  Speaker 6: was trying to disrespect her on that. I was just
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  Speaker 6: giving my story two of what I said. Me and
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  Speaker 6: her are sitting in the car, she in the driver seat,
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  Speaker 6: She in the driver seat right, So if something was
• 1:26
  Speaker 6: going on, I wouldn't be in the car talking, you
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  Speaker 6: know what I'm saying, I'd be you know whatever. So
• 1:31
  Speaker 6: somebody knocked on my window and it was him, So
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  Speaker 6: of course he goes with her. Now, so of course
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  Speaker 6: anybody will be angry and be mad because that's his girl.
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  Speaker 4: Wasn't it your car?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, but I'm saying as far as him being angry,
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  Speaker 6: he never touched me stopping now, stop, come on this me, Okay.
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  Speaker 6: He when I got out the car, he was angry,
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  Speaker 6: so he swung on me. Yeah, I got the car, right,
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  Speaker 6: can't swing in the car.
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  Speaker 4: And then.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, no, no no no, I got the car
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  Speaker 2: and we started talking. Then he swung on me.
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  Speaker 6: So now, at the end of the day, me being
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  Speaker 6: respectful knowing that too, I didn't want to do that
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  Speaker 6: in front of her because I know I listened and
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  Speaker 6: you understand exactly because of the respect of her was
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  Speaker 6: in the car.
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  Speaker 2: She got out the car.
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  Speaker 4: She said she got so you told.
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  Speaker 2: Her get out and I told get out. She's got.
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  Speaker 6: Of course you gonna get out. People talking, you know,
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  Speaker 6: we don't get we were he's yelling. You know what
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  Speaker 6: I'm saying. So, but me and him is also friends,
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  Speaker 6: to don't forget. I was gonna into the Mary J.
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  Speaker 6: Blage album right so automatically, and then he had to
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  Speaker 6: come and talk to me too, which is em so
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  Speaker 6: I had to get the clearings for that though too,
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  Speaker 6: So we was already no kind of friends. He befriended me,
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  Speaker 6: so it wasn't like I'm like, yo, I couldn't believe
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  Speaker 6: that it happened to begin with.
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  Speaker 2: So my thing was, let's.
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  Speaker 6: Go around the corner so we won't have to do
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  Speaker 6: that in front of my friend and you're angry.
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  Speaker 4: So y'all really was cool. I was cool getting into something.
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  Speaker 6: That's look again Netflix again, that's on Netflix. It looks crazy.
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  Speaker 6: Sot me let me fix the other part about the
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  Speaker 6: Biggie Smalls. Of course, Biggie Smalls is not out yet,
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  Speaker 6: so it's new music. So when somebody says, oh that,
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  Speaker 6: it don't add up with the baby and just not
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  Speaker 6: being born.
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  Speaker 2: I'm saying, no, it was new music. So again, after you.
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  Speaker 6: Finished going around the corner, you calm down now because
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  Speaker 6: now there's no reason for you to get hype now
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  Speaker 6: because now this this situation is all calm So now
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  Speaker 6: it's like, yo, check this out. And then then we
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  Speaker 6: took about Keith Murray because he was a big Keith
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  Speaker 6: Murray fan. So like Keith Murry signed to me. So
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  Speaker 6: again the cop versation that people don't know about, this
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  Speaker 6: is what happened.
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  Speaker 4: So what was the ride around the corner? Like when
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  Speaker 4: he got in the car. What did y'all talk about it?
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  Speaker 2: Y'all was driving gona think about nothing until we stopped.
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  Speaker 4: So y'all stopped and realize we don't really want to fight.
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  Speaker 2: It was never going to get there for for for
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  Speaker 2: for him.
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  Speaker 7: You know, you had already talked outside the car and
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  Speaker 7: kind of cooled it down, is what you're saying.
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  Speaker 8: No, please ask God, damn all. Right, hold up, why
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  Speaker 8: was she driving your truck?
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  Speaker 2: She's in driving she Why was she in the.
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  Speaker 8: Driver's seat of your truck? That's his girl.
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  Speaker 2: No, I just she just wanted to be in the
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  Speaker 2: driver's seat.
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  Speaker 8: Oh what kind of truck was.
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  Speaker 2: It was a uh but I had was a fore runner.
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  Speaker 9: She just wanted to be So you wasn't trying to
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  Speaker 9: get her back or nothing in the driver's seat to
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  Speaker 9: do that, all right.
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  Speaker 8: And so when she got out, y'all left her just
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  Speaker 8: right there.
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  Speaker 2: Left she was in fun of her crib. Oh all right?
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  Speaker 8: So this was at the crib.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we talked in front of the crib.
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  Speaker 8: I'm like, why would you go around to another No?
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  Speaker 2: No, fron of her in front of her house?
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  Speaker 4: All right?
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  Speaker 2: Young?
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  Speaker 4: So what was this was the song Fucking You Tonight?
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  Speaker 2: No, we'll just stop.
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  Speaker 6: This was ready to die. He was not thinking about something.
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  Speaker 6: Let me tell you about about with with with Puff.
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  Speaker 6: I was just telling my story.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 6: It wasn't like I was trying to even just him neither.
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  Speaker 6: Don't forget Puffy came and got keep married. For every remix,
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  Speaker 6: every song he called me for Jose's remix. So if
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  Speaker 6: you are angry with somebody, I wouldn't be getting phone calls.
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  Speaker 2: He called for Redman. He called every.
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  Speaker 6: Time something came out on Bad Boy. One of my
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  Speaker 6: artists was somebody who he called or he called me
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  Speaker 6: to remix it. So again I understand how it might look,
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  Speaker 6: but it wasn't like That's why I couldn't wait to
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  Speaker 6: get here.
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  Speaker 4: Now.
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  Speaker 3: So the next question is why the documentary because I
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  Speaker 3: didn't see that on my bingo call when I seen
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  Speaker 3: the documentary and I see Eric the documentary, So who
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  Speaker 3: reached out for the document Why did you say?
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  Speaker 6: They asked me the questions, you know how fifty is? Again,
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  Speaker 6: I had fifty with a nod in the beginning. You know,
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  Speaker 6: don't forget Corey Ruon. You bung fifty cent to my
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  Speaker 6: crib next door, like walked over with him, like, yo,
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  Speaker 6: here's my artist.
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  Speaker 2: Whatever.
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  Speaker 6: I end up doing heat Wave, you know, and I
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  Speaker 6: end up doing a couple of other songs though too.
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  Speaker 6: So I'm also friends with him too. So when they
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  Speaker 6: asked me the question, I'm like, yo, okay, I do it,
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  Speaker 6: not knowing it was going to be, you know, how
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  Speaker 6: you put stuff together. I was just I told a
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  Speaker 6: couple of stories, envy. This is a story that they
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  Speaker 6: end up keeping, you know. So again I'm not here
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  Speaker 6: to you. If anybody knows me, it's.
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  Speaker 2: You, That's what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 6: You and you know my crew, and you know me
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  Speaker 6: as far as just how I roll. Again to the
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  Speaker 6: end of the day. I'm not trying to debunk or
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  Speaker 6: make everything sound nice or whatever it is. People don't
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  Speaker 6: know the friendship of Mesa and me and and him,
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  Speaker 6: we was actually friends. And I would never ever try
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  Speaker 6: to put me say, in a situation on that. And
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  Speaker 6: I said friends, I didn't say we was like that
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  Speaker 6: and we was doing all that said, yo, that was
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  Speaker 6: my friend, you know, because we never really put together
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  Speaker 6: as being boyfriend and girlfriend.
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  Speaker 2: It was just like a friend thing, you know.
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  Speaker 6: Okay, Now this is the part that again at the
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  Speaker 6: end of the day, I didn't I was at Basil.
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  Speaker 2: Now I heard that she was there, but I didn't
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  Speaker 2: see I didn't see her out.
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  Speaker 6: But but again I know she wasn't going to pick
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  Speaker 6: up my phone call because again you have to let
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  Speaker 6: somebody calm down and be like whatever and see because
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  Speaker 6: she was getting so much stuff whatever. But she texts
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  Speaker 6: my my best friend, but not it and didn't say
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  Speaker 6: some nice things, you know. So again, but it was
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  Speaker 6: in the beginning, you know what I'm saying. So hopefully
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  Speaker 6: you know, she sees this and then I be able
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  Speaker 6: to talk to her, you know, and say, you know,
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  Speaker 6: I didn't mean to do nothing to her because she
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  Speaker 6: is my friend.
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  Speaker 5: I guess I guess what this new generation, every every
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  Speaker 5: damn every man on that doc looks like a you
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  Speaker 5: know what I'm saying, you guys something. I know that,
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  Speaker 5: but I'm saying, you got guys on the they but
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  Speaker 5: got touched and everything.
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  Speaker 4: So when people see you on the doctor.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah I wasn't. I was crazy, like I didn't belong there,
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  Speaker 6: you know when you see everybody else was like, yo,
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  Speaker 6: I didn't belong to your envy. I swear I want
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  Speaker 6: to do we want Superman going around the world again
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  Speaker 6: and be like, you know what, I can rewind us
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  Speaker 6: all back, you know what I'm saying, and do it,
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  Speaker 6: do it over because everybody who saw said the same
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  Speaker 6: ship what is Eric doing?
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  Speaker 2: And that documentary?
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  Speaker 6: You know, but at the end of the day, it's
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  Speaker 6: like this, I can't even take this though too since
• 8:40
  Speaker 6: nineteen whatever eighty nine, though jests the ninety this is
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  Speaker 6: my first time being this on fire.
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  Speaker 5: Like really, it's not damn music, no, no, that you
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  Speaker 5: reinfinished yourself so many times.
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  Speaker 6: Wait in one second, I'm telling you, man, this right
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  Speaker 6: here is a different type.
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  Speaker 2: Like I felt like now I'm telling.
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  Speaker 6: You, like this is the whole world, Like you couldn't
• 9:08
  Speaker 6: have a hit record and be around the world, but
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  Speaker 6: you're talking about twenty three countries, number one Netflix, Okay, whatever,
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  Speaker 6: you gotta adjust all this and then the album coming
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  Speaker 6: at the same time, I'm number one, you know on
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  Speaker 6: on on iTunes, like I didn't have.
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  Speaker 4: This social I don't want them to know.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, listen, I'm not saying that.
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  Speaker 6: I'm just saying far as the far as me being listen,
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  Speaker 6: I don't want to be hot for that, neither what
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  Speaker 6: I'm saying.
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  Speaker 2: But it did. It helped the project of Dynamic Duels.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, purposely aligned hell album.
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  Speaker 6: It kept pushing back the album would this and just
• 9:50
  Speaker 6: this album is four years old, it was doing COVID whatever.
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  Speaker 6: Kevin Lyles came and got me into to what nineteen
• 10:01
  Speaker 6: were twenty eighteen, twenty twenty. Then after that two years
• 10:04
  Speaker 6: went by COVID and then all of a sudden they
• 10:08
  Speaker 6: buy three hundred, four hundred million after that, so you.
• 10:12
  Speaker 1: Was signed up a three hundred right, I was signed
• 10:14
  Speaker 1: with artist, but.
• 10:15
  Speaker 6: As a partner, you know, MB, I'm too old for
• 10:18
  Speaker 6: to be signeding somebody. So after that, whatever time went
• 10:24
  Speaker 6: by all of a sudden, three and a half years
• 10:26
  Speaker 6: went by. Then I had to get the politics of
• 10:30
  Speaker 6: prodig Jesus state, Nate Dogg's of state, Sean Prices of state.
• 10:34
  Speaker 2: So all this stuff took a little time.
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  Speaker 6: So now we ended up here and kept coming back,
• 10:39
  Speaker 6: going back, going back, and then December fifth finally happened.
• 10:41
  Speaker 6: They was calling me doctor j all Erica's line is
• 10:44
  Speaker 6: never coming. And I understand because I was telling these
• 10:47
  Speaker 6: this lie since you know not and to them for
• 10:50
  Speaker 6: four years.
• 10:51
  Speaker 8: You know, how did you get Denzel Washington to do
• 10:53
  Speaker 8: the injury?
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  Speaker 6: It wasn't Denzel usc king Yo, that's my own Yeah, exactly, Yeah,
• 10:58
  Speaker 6: so he does.
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  Speaker 8: The impressation is so good. I literally thought, I'm like,
• 11:02
  Speaker 8: You're like, I'm like, damn because.
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  Speaker 9: Of the okay shout out to k he is crazy.
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  Speaker 3: You know, you talk about your history in his music industry, right,
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  Speaker 3: and I think you're a forgetful person, right, because people
• 11:28
  Speaker 3: forget all the hits that you have, the artists that
• 11:30
  Speaker 3: you have, and when they have a lot of times
• 11:32
  Speaker 3: these conversations that you create. I feel like when they
• 11:36
  Speaker 3: have these conversations, they don't mention Eric Sermon enough.
• 11:39
  Speaker 1: Do you feel that way.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, listen, man, there's people that don't know
• 11:45
  Speaker 6: who Larry Smith is, right and Larry Smith under your
• 11:48
  Speaker 6: nose sucking cs Houdini. You know you're talking about you know,
• 11:52
  Speaker 6: click Rick, you know whether this man was a genius.
• 11:55
  Speaker 6: So when I look at that happening and then Molly
• 11:58
  Speaker 6: maul to not being talked about out knowing that if
• 12:00
  Speaker 6: he didn't.
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  Speaker 2: Sample, this will not be where we're at now too.
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  Speaker 6: So mb sometimes I look at that and I look
• 12:06
  Speaker 6: at the ones that came before, but like, damn, they
• 12:08
  Speaker 6: ain't talked about neither. Then Jermaine depri Tho too is
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  Speaker 6: one of those two who somebody be like, you know
• 12:14
  Speaker 6: who was underrated?
• 12:15
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. But again, as long as.
• 12:17
  Speaker 6: You know and my colleagues, like when I see Parreal
• 12:19
  Speaker 6: and he starts bowing and stuff, you know, it makes
• 12:22
  Speaker 6: me know, like, okay, yo, you know I did something,
• 12:25
  Speaker 6: so in actuality, it doesn't matter.
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  Speaker 2: As long as y'all know, you know what I'm saying,
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  Speaker 2: I'm cool with that.
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  Speaker 5: But we got to show the new generation like you're
• 12:32
  Speaker 5: you're one of the architects of the East Coast sound period.
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  Speaker 4: Correct, Like like what inspired that? Sonic identity?
• 12:38
  Speaker 1: And artists on the East coast.
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  Speaker 2: People the new kids don't care about who's what.
• 12:43
  Speaker 4: Yes, they do. They think Puffy victim number three, We're not.
• 12:48
  Speaker 6: Going after that number five that you since one inspired that?
• 12:54
  Speaker 4: What inspired that? That that sounded? Did you know at
• 12:56
  Speaker 4: the time you were creating something new?
• 12:57
  Speaker 2: Well again?
• 12:58
  Speaker 6: E PMD was you know, just stop it okay? EPMD
• 13:04
  Speaker 6: was something that, like I said, for me in Paris,
• 13:06
  Speaker 6: didn't know char I mean that we was was producers.
• 13:08
  Speaker 6: We thought every record that we heard was done by
• 13:11
  Speaker 6: the artists, so we didn't know about the name producer.
• 13:15
  Speaker 6: So whatever that we was making, we made thinking that
• 13:18
  Speaker 6: this is how it's supposed to go. So all the
• 13:21
  Speaker 6: records that mom had against the speaker because you went
• 13:25
  Speaker 6: back then. You know, you're too young to know about this,
• 13:27
  Speaker 6: but they used to put the albums and stack them
• 13:30
  Speaker 6: up against the speaker or stack them up against the
• 13:33
  Speaker 6: or whatever wall unit you had, so that was all
• 13:37
  Speaker 6: lined up, so you just picked whatever you picked. My
• 13:39
  Speaker 6: dad had all these albums, we know, just the Whispers,
• 13:42
  Speaker 6: you know, earth Wind, the Fire, BT Express, you know,
• 13:45
  Speaker 6: of course Parliament, the whole nine and Paris' father had Zap,
• 13:50
  Speaker 6: so that's where more bounce came from. So we had
• 13:52
  Speaker 6: all that, then all the stuff coming from Brentwood. We
• 13:55
  Speaker 6: had a mixture of white, Black and Puerto Rican that
• 13:57
  Speaker 6: we grew up with. So I knew all the rock
• 13:59
  Speaker 6: songs let and I knew about you know Genesis, I
• 14:02
  Speaker 6: knew about you know Van Halen, So we mixed all
• 14:05
  Speaker 6: that Zzy Top, Is you a customer? I want to
• 14:08
  Speaker 6: say it out there, but the but at the end
• 14:09
  Speaker 6: when he says, when I say, at the end, you
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  Speaker 6: hear the guitar playing, you would hear the band ban
• 14:15
  Speaker 6: We played it for the hood. The hood said take
• 14:17
  Speaker 6: the guitars out, so you a customer became playing with
• 14:20
  Speaker 6: just a beat in the baseline. But we had the
• 14:22
  Speaker 6: zz Top cheap sunglasses sample in it. So we had
• 14:27
  Speaker 6: you know Godzilla by h Man.
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  Speaker 2: Blew Us a Colt.
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  Speaker 6: All these songs we had and we knew so EPMD
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  Speaker 6: was a mixture of stuff that we grew up with
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  Speaker 6: and stuff that we I found in the crib, and
• 14:41
  Speaker 6: that became whatever the sound was with the Roger. Because
• 14:44
  Speaker 6: once we got the more bounce, we kept that going
• 14:46
  Speaker 6: and then the Parliament we kept that going.
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  Speaker 4: The thing I loved about EPMD.
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  Speaker 5: Y'all had like a chemistry that just was was effortless.
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  Speaker 6: Okay, everything that we did was run DMC because Runding me.
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  Speaker 2: Don't forget.
• 15:00
  Speaker 6: We made the demo record pieces by demo. Me and
• 15:02
  Speaker 6: parents really built a sixty eight Camaro car, you know,
• 15:06
  Speaker 6: stripped it the whole nine, got it, you know, painted
• 15:08
  Speaker 6: up by Earl Ships.
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  Speaker 2: You're too young for that too. Earl shot with ninety
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  Speaker 2: nine dollars.
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  Speaker 6: So we get the car, go to the paint machine,
• 15:15
  Speaker 6: get it all painted up, you know what I'm saying,
• 15:17
  Speaker 6: and we drove it. The car overheated though, but you know,
• 15:19
  Speaker 6: we got to Manhattan and and we walked to the
• 15:24
  Speaker 6: three labels that we found on the albums. See back
• 15:28
  Speaker 6: then on the albums they had the addresses.
• 15:30
  Speaker 4: Up, so we walked.
• 15:31
  Speaker 6: We just give us some old I'm fifty six years old,
• 15:34
  Speaker 6: so you look, so you look at the situations. And
• 15:37
  Speaker 6: we got the address and we walked and then we
• 15:39
  Speaker 6: got to Fresh Records, and that's when we met you know,
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  Speaker 6: Juggie Gails and Will sockle Off and and next thing,
• 15:49
  Speaker 6: you know, three days later we got signed on that.
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  Speaker 2: You know, from doing that.
• 15:53
  Speaker 5: What was the secret to y'all y'all partnership though, and like,
• 15:56
  Speaker 5: how did you in Paris challenge each other creatively?
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah? See, Paris didn't rhyme when I met him. Really,
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: Paris was a DJ.
• 16:05
  Speaker 6: So I came from another part of Brentwood, which was
• 16:08
  Speaker 6: kind of like you know, say, if the Bronx was
• 16:11
  Speaker 6: the Bronx, that was my side I came from. We
• 16:13
  Speaker 6: had GRAFFEEDI break dancing DJ and the whole ship was
• 16:17
  Speaker 6: hot where I was at. So when I came to
• 16:19
  Speaker 6: Paris's neighborhood, I was I moved to my grandmother's house.
• 16:22
  Speaker 6: I met Paris at the bus stop and he snapped
• 16:24
  Speaker 6: on me too, like you know me. He didn't even
• 16:27
  Speaker 6: know me, but he was like, yo, what kind of
• 16:29
  Speaker 6: the sneakers you got on? I'm like, these are pumas.
• 16:32
  Speaker 6: He's like, nah, those ain't the real pumas. So and
• 16:36
  Speaker 6: he was bold for that though, just because I didn't know.
• 16:39
  Speaker 6: But I paid thirty dollars for him though Charlamagne, but
• 16:43
  Speaker 6: they didn't have the holes, so they was so baskets
• 16:47
  Speaker 6: was the real one I had on the Puma invaders
• 16:51
  Speaker 6: didn't have the whole.
• 16:53
  Speaker 10: I know, I know, but I didn't know I had
• 17:03
  Speaker 10: in the leaves, I had the Tiaka shirt, I had
• 17:06
  Speaker 10: the output on, but I hadn't the wrong sneakers flying.
• 17:09
  Speaker 6: I know, I thought I was I was right, and
• 17:13
  Speaker 6: he's like, yo, what else you got on? And again
• 17:16
  Speaker 6: people laughed and I was like kind of embarrassed. But
• 17:19
  Speaker 6: then after a while he found out I knew how
• 17:21
  Speaker 6: to rhyme, so he was like, yo, you know, so
• 17:25
  Speaker 6: I rhymed and I had the Jane story. I had
• 17:28
  Speaker 6: jamesince I was twelve. So when I rhand the Jaine
• 17:31
  Speaker 6: story though to, he was like, yo, damn, you got
• 17:33
  Speaker 6: something else. I'm like, yo, I got the story about
• 17:35
  Speaker 6: this guy named Bernard gets, you know, so I had
• 17:38
  Speaker 6: to burn our get story too by him shooting the
• 17:40
  Speaker 6: train up.
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: So those are my first kind of wrap. My mother,
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: God but dead.
• 17:45
  Speaker 6: She she brung Home Rappers the Light and the break
• 17:50
  Speaker 6: call a patchie APATCHI had the green label on it, right,
• 17:54
  Speaker 6: So she won these two records home, so all these
• 17:57
  Speaker 6: knew and again my big ass used to pop to
• 18:00
  Speaker 6: when I was younger, but I was of course more.
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: God damn what.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: Dancing right, So listen? So other man, well just stopped,
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: Come on, man, me and you were good friends, so
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: just stop it.
• 18:27
  Speaker 6: On Soul Train was a guy called the Papa Long Kid, right,
• 18:31
  Speaker 6: and he was in the Shallowmart group, so I used
• 18:34
  Speaker 6: to watch him on but when he was on Soul Train,
• 18:36
  Speaker 6: so I became the Papa Long Kid too. So at
• 18:39
  Speaker 6: the time, you know, this is what I was doing,
• 18:42
  Speaker 6: and the whole neighborhood was rapping. But they would let
• 18:45
  Speaker 6: me get like ten seconds on the mic, the whole
• 18:46
  Speaker 6: not this and that, that and this. So I really
• 18:48
  Speaker 6: wasn't getting off as far as on in my neighborhood
• 18:51
  Speaker 6: because I was young, until I moved to my grandmother's
• 18:54
  Speaker 6: house and then Paris gave me the shot. Paris gave
• 18:57
  Speaker 6: me the shot. Without Paris giving me the shot, I
• 19:01
  Speaker 6: would never ever been or even try to make a
• 19:03
  Speaker 6: record because I had a strong list, like a real
• 19:07
  Speaker 6: ways stronger than this. So you heard my records, you know.
• 19:10
  Speaker 6: He said, it's like I got golf balls in my
• 19:12
  Speaker 6: mouse pause.
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: I got a list. So growing up like people like yeah.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: But you can still hear you my ship, you couldn't
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: hear the words.
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, And I always want to know,
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: you know, Na that our niece she comes up here,
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: and I told her one time, next time I'm in Queens,
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna take her to some of the big spots
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: of Queen's LL's house, the Rock and all that, and
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: so we're gonna drive out to Long Island, go to
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: East House. And the reason I said that is the
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: first man should I've ever been to and see was
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: Eric Simtine.
• 19:40
  Speaker 6: Bring that up because because it's inspiring. He forced on
• 19:43
  Speaker 6: me on the last he said, but now I got
• 19:46
  Speaker 6: one to But it was.
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: Inspiring because he was letting.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: He let me in his house.
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: And you see, with Keith Murray made records and with
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: Red Man made records where he produced, you see the landscape,
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: and I'm like, black people could really have, you know,
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: I mean.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: It meant so much. So I always wanted to know
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: when it came to that.
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: We've never heard Eric sermon having financial problems, but I've
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: never heard, right, what did you do differently than most
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: of these people in the industry, because you always hear
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: this person lost, this, this person that. I mean, you
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: even see Dame who just went into to court for
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: bankruptcy or whatever it was he went to court for.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: How could we never heard that with you.
• 20:23
  Speaker 6: I think that again, I watched Parish in the beginning
• 20:27
  Speaker 6: getting houses early. Paris was already getting houses early before me,
• 20:32
  Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying. So he was always already
• 20:35
  Speaker 6: into real estate. So then when I was able to
• 20:40
  Speaker 6: get some bread after the breakup, because during the breakup,
• 20:43
  Speaker 6: I really didn't have that much money, you know, with EPMD,
• 20:46
  Speaker 6: and you didn't really make that much money do on
• 20:47
  Speaker 6: EPMD days, I didn't have it.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: You know, I'm saying, said, but you know somebody, but
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: I didn't have it.
• 20:53
  Speaker 6: And be plus, I was young, like Russell gave. He
• 20:56
  Speaker 6: came to guts from first records. He spent the one
• 20:59
  Speaker 6: point six million dollars to get us. But again we
• 21:02
  Speaker 6: didn't see it. So and then we told a lot
• 21:04
  Speaker 6: though too. So I was able to get me a
• 21:06
  Speaker 6: crib and get me a bins, you know, but it
• 21:11
  Speaker 6: was like I didn't really see anything as far as
• 21:13
  Speaker 6: bank account type situations. Yeah, until I moved to Atlanta
• 21:17
  Speaker 6: and the group broke up. And once the group broke up,
• 21:19
  Speaker 6: I started buying all type of shit. And I wasn't
• 21:21
  Speaker 6: even living in the cribs, you know, I was getting apartments,
• 21:24
  Speaker 6: getting houses, whatever it's doing whatever. At the time, all
• 21:27
  Speaker 6: of a sudden, though, V you see what I was doing.
• 21:29
  Speaker 6: I had so many groups in so many places. I think,
• 21:33
  Speaker 6: as Martinez has said one time, how does Eric get
• 21:35
  Speaker 6: all these deals? Because I was going to the labels winning,
• 21:39
  Speaker 6: So it wasn't like I was going there and taking money.
• 21:42
  Speaker 6: So that means Reggie was winning there, Keith Murray winning
• 21:45
  Speaker 6: that jive, you know, Dave Harster was winning at you know,
• 21:49
  Speaker 6: at dream Works. You know, I had people far as
• 21:51
  Speaker 6: the Hunter was at Emi. You know, then if at
• 21:53
  Speaker 6: the desk squad came out, then Ruther Meth came out.
• 21:56
  Speaker 6: You know what I mean, deals, I had how much
• 21:58
  Speaker 6: up front money I was getting?
• 22:00
  Speaker 7: You know that?
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but that was parish More too.
• 22:03
  Speaker 6: But I ended up selling my half, which is I
• 22:06
  Speaker 6: don't know why I did that at the time, but
• 22:08
  Speaker 6: I gave forty percent this and not that and this.
• 22:10
  Speaker 6: Then Clive Davis came you know, you know that was
• 22:15
  Speaker 6: four million dollars. This is like, you know again, at
• 22:17
  Speaker 6: the end of the day, it was like it just
• 22:19
  Speaker 6: kept doing what it was doing. Kadn Masenberg at one
• 22:22
  Speaker 6: time too, So it was the fact that and then
• 22:25
  Speaker 6: publishing what you see now, I don't think I never
• 22:28
  Speaker 6: sold because I didn't have to. So now at the
• 22:31
  Speaker 6: end of the day, the publishing is doing what it is.
• 22:34
  Speaker 6: You know, you probably sort of sort of the post
• 22:38
  Speaker 6: after so many years weekend does I don't want to
• 22:43
  Speaker 6: know by you know whatever. One point nine billion streams.
• 22:48
  Speaker 6: One point nine billion streams brings you two hundred and
• 22:52
  Speaker 6: fifty thousand dollars every quarter.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: So every quarter you get to fifty Jesus for.
• 22:57
  Speaker 6: Four percent on one record. So this is what I
• 23:01
  Speaker 6: try to tell people. I never told the people to flex.
• 23:04
  Speaker 6: I was trying to tell artists, like you said, if
• 23:06
  Speaker 6: you have your publishing and you own it, here's what
• 23:10
  Speaker 6: can feed you, like a four to one k or
• 23:12
  Speaker 6: some type of retirement type of thing, if you own
• 23:14
  Speaker 6: your publishing. But I get it, if you don't have
• 23:16
  Speaker 6: the money, you have to sell it and people are
• 23:19
  Speaker 6: cashing in for the big money. I understand that two
• 23:21
  Speaker 6: hundred million two. I'm going to do the same thing too.
• 23:23
  Speaker 6: If I was Dre and Neo and Dream and all
• 23:26
  Speaker 6: of them, I do it too. But again, but in
• 23:28
  Speaker 6: the smaller scheme of things, I never had to do that.
• 23:31
  Speaker 6: So when I sit back and I be at home
• 23:34
  Speaker 6: and years go by. I took off twelve years to
• 23:37
  Speaker 6: be because I was on joint for twelve years. So
• 23:39
  Speaker 6: again at the end of the day, them percosets had
• 23:41
  Speaker 6: me at home anyway, you know what I'm saying. So
• 23:45
  Speaker 6: this is twelve years of being able to sit down
• 23:48
  Speaker 6: because you got publishing checks from all that music that
• 23:51
  Speaker 6: I was able to do, was able to have me
• 23:53
  Speaker 6: sit down. That's how I live and be without me
• 23:56
  Speaker 6: doing work is publishing.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: Percosus was when you know.
• 24:02
  Speaker 6: Well, when I had that thing in two thousand Women
• 24:05
  Speaker 6: it said I felt from the window whatever.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: That was my first time on vikinging.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: Do you ever tell the story that you never tell
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: the story?
• 24:10
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean people know it wasn't that. You know,
• 24:12
  Speaker 6: I was in the wrong place at the wrong time,
• 24:13
  Speaker 6: but it was suicide side.
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: But I viking in is what you get first.
• 24:19
  Speaker 6: That's why I said Michael Jackson it was the pills
• 24:23
  Speaker 6: before he got to Porfo fall whatever. But I had
• 24:26
  Speaker 6: the viking in first. Once I had the viking in,
• 24:29
  Speaker 6: I'm like, you know what, Charla Mede, I'm like this,
• 24:33
  Speaker 6: this is cool. So I was off of the viking
• 24:36
  Speaker 6: In once I got better. Two thousand and and nine,
• 24:41
  Speaker 6: I had back surgery as far as like one of
• 24:44
  Speaker 6: them L fives or whatever. The the my my nerves
• 24:49
  Speaker 6: had wrapped around my spine so it had numb. My
• 24:52
  Speaker 6: whole from my balls all the way down to my
• 24:56
  Speaker 6: legs was all numb. So I was seventy two hours
• 25:00
  Speaker 6: away from nerve damage on that right row.
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: What you they gotta say, pause, clearly just talking about balls, So.
• 25:08
  Speaker 8: Just right, sorry, listen child, wait talking about this action.
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: I'm stupid.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: It's crazy, big kids.
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: It was none from the ball way.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: It was a didn't lay. It was a one man lay.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: Came you want to be the.
• 25:34
  Speaker 5: Captain A laugh, but I would not look at But
• 25:37
  Speaker 5: I'm saying no, but I can't wait to be.
• 25:40
  Speaker 6: I didn't say I was I was I was number.
• 25:45
  Speaker 9: Was I was number You couldn't from the balls down
• 25:49
  Speaker 9: like I was no action.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: So they gave me one hundred and twenty percocets the ground.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: The bottle was this.
• 25:57
  Speaker 6: Tall, right, so it's one hundred and twenty. So for
• 26:02
  Speaker 6: the first two days I didn't fuck with him, you know,
• 26:04
  Speaker 6: because I didn't know where it was.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: I wasn't.
• 26:06
  Speaker 6: I'm like, we're the viker in that, you know whatever.
• 26:08
  Speaker 6: But then the pain started. So now I take the percosesets.
• 26:12
  Speaker 6: Now the pain stopped.
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: But I liked the feeling and not for that it
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: was over.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: He's ten years twelve. How did you finally get off?
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: I went to rehab in twenty twenty two? You rehab?
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: Was it? Me?
• 26:25
  Speaker 6: And I didn't go to no celebrity rehab. I went
• 26:27
  Speaker 6: to a rehab upstate with regular people. And they talk
• 26:30
  Speaker 6: about it too. They hit me on the things like, yo,
• 26:32
  Speaker 6: Kim Lee, you was in here the whole nine because
• 26:34
  Speaker 6: I figured if I went to one celebrity ones you
• 26:36
  Speaker 6: allowed to leave and say they say, if sol I
• 26:39
  Speaker 6: means as a fan, I could ask him to get
• 26:41
  Speaker 6: me some percosets, he get it for me.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. So again, this place was
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: really kind of locked down.
• 26:47
  Speaker 6: They didn't played. It was a girl and a guy situated.
• 26:49
  Speaker 6: So it was twenty two girls upstairs and forty forty
• 26:53
  Speaker 6: men downstairs. So and every day you go to a
• 26:56
  Speaker 6: class from seven to from seven to eight. So you
• 27:00
  Speaker 6: have classes, and you have people who come in on
• 27:02
  Speaker 6: Tuesdays and talk for you.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: You it all no no.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: During that time, you couldn't produce, You could not you
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: can care.
• 27:07
  Speaker 6: There's none of that reflect because because the first five
• 27:09
  Speaker 6: days is you're doing detox and you're doing what's that
• 27:15
  Speaker 6: that ship they use for whatever, They give you that
• 27:17
  Speaker 6: for the first four days, and after that you start rehabbing.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: How I was detox and not not having that after
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: having it.
• 27:21
  Speaker 6: For twelve four days is crazy because you get the
• 27:23
  Speaker 6: ship called to shake the but yeah, well it's it's
• 27:28
  Speaker 6: restless legs. So so so your leg is kicking and
• 27:31
  Speaker 6: then your arms starts kicking, so you can't sleep. So
• 27:34
  Speaker 6: now I'm up for seventy two hours doing this arm
• 27:37
  Speaker 6: punctioning like I said for it. Sometimes I used to
• 27:39
  Speaker 6: get the emotional, but again not now. But your leger
• 27:41
  Speaker 6: is kicking, and your arms kicking is called restless legs,
• 27:44
  Speaker 6: so that happens in the beginning. So now they want
• 27:46
  Speaker 6: you to take some ship called seboxing, but suboxing is
• 27:49
  Speaker 6: another drug, so I was not going to put myself
• 27:53
  Speaker 6: back on something else to calm this down.
• 27:56
  Speaker 9: I never understood why they do that and rehead. But
• 27:58
  Speaker 9: they'll give you something else, another drug, wing you off
• 28:01
  Speaker 9: the one that you want, but it has the same shit,
• 28:03
  Speaker 9: same thing.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: So if I would have came home, I would have
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: been on that.
• 28:06
  Speaker 6: So I'm like, fucking, I just wait seventy two hours,
• 28:08
  Speaker 6: this and that, whatever, whatever. So I end up taking
• 28:10
  Speaker 6: some business jil out of everything too to put me
• 28:12
  Speaker 6: to sleep after the seventy two hours and not work
• 28:15
  Speaker 6: after that. That was really cool. I was just going
• 28:17
  Speaker 6: through it. But then they tell you don't go back
• 28:20
  Speaker 6: into your environment. That means if you go back home,
• 28:23
  Speaker 6: that driveway is gonna remind me of my dealer coming
• 28:26
  Speaker 6: to my driveway. If I go around the corner of
• 28:29
  Speaker 6: that store is gonna mind me because I always had
• 28:31
  Speaker 6: them meet me somewhere, like my kids didn't know. My
• 28:34
  Speaker 6: kids didn't find out. They ain't know nothing for a while.
• 28:37
  Speaker 6: All of a sudden, though, Charla mean, I'm looking at
• 28:39
  Speaker 6: this situation like, yo, I can't get out of here
• 28:42
  Speaker 6: because again I'm gonna have to go someplace else because
• 28:45
  Speaker 6: if I stay here, it's gonna call right after that.
• 28:48
  Speaker 6: My mother's in stage five. Yeah wow, So now for
• 28:51
  Speaker 6: the whole year I'm taking care of her. Now I
• 28:55
  Speaker 6: don't supposed to be in that environment because now I'm
• 28:57
  Speaker 6: gonna get stressed and the first thing I'm gonna run
• 28:59
  Speaker 6: to is her. It's a purtains, but my mother said,
• 29:03
  Speaker 6: if you do that, I'm not gonna make it. So
• 29:05
  Speaker 6: once she said that, there's no way I'm gonna touch
• 29:07
  Speaker 6: the pill.
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: So he was talking to her about the challenges you face.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: Well, well, she no, she's not that.
• 29:13
  Speaker 6: She just knew that I came up from rehab and
• 29:15
  Speaker 6: I wasn't supposed to be in that environment or any
• 29:17
  Speaker 6: type of stressful environment. She knew that, but again I
• 29:20
  Speaker 6: had to take care of her, you know, so at
• 29:22
  Speaker 6: the end of the day.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: So once that happened.
• 29:26
  Speaker 6: From June to May, when she passed away, right, my
• 29:31
  Speaker 6: mother was so ill because my mother knew that how
• 29:34
  Speaker 6: how how it was going to hurt me for me
• 29:36
  Speaker 6: to see her die. So I got the call from
• 29:39
  Speaker 6: Kanye West to go produce. I knew I was leaving
• 29:43
  Speaker 6: that week, you know what I mean, All of a sudden,
• 29:46
  Speaker 6: she told my sister, tell Eric to get on the
• 29:48
  Speaker 6: plane and don't miss that opportunity.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: She's dying, and she's like, you know, well go do that.
• 29:54
  Speaker 6: So I go on the plane, I land, me and
• 29:57
  Speaker 6: b As soon as I land, he passed me the
• 29:59
  Speaker 6: phones with my sister. My mother's transitioned. Kanye calls and
• 30:02
  Speaker 6: says Eric. It happened to me too. My aunt called me,
• 30:06
  Speaker 6: don't worry about that, come to the studio tomorrow. So
• 30:09
  Speaker 6: when niggas talk about YA two, he was there for me,
• 30:12
  Speaker 6: you know. So that whole seven months with him had
• 30:16
  Speaker 6: me off of what does happened? Even though I went
• 30:18
  Speaker 6: home to bury my mother. I went home and buried her.
• 30:21
  Speaker 6: I flew to Italy where he was at. You know,
• 30:24
  Speaker 6: so we worked in Italy and I came back home again,
• 30:28
  Speaker 6: and after that whatever, I knew that it had left
• 30:31
  Speaker 6: me because, believe me, those ship called it's called pause, posts, acute,
• 30:42
  Speaker 6: stressed to something whatever, where you get the symptoms of
• 30:47
  Speaker 6: it calling you, Chris Rock, it's calling you. So now
• 30:54
  Speaker 6: it's like, okay, well damn, you know, how can I
• 30:57
  Speaker 6: get this? But I know I don't want to do this,
• 31:00
  Speaker 6: but something going to have to stop me because of
• 31:03
  Speaker 6: not that pause is coming in.
• 31:04
  Speaker 8: What was that first.
• 31:07
  Speaker 7: Meet up with you and Kanye as you're going through
• 31:09
  Speaker 7: all of this stuff about your mom and he's there
• 31:10
  Speaker 7: with you and he's been through it, Like what was
• 31:12
  Speaker 7: that first initial like come here, I got you.
• 31:14
  Speaker 6: He just told me that when his moms died, he
• 31:17
  Speaker 6: went to work too.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So the music helped all of it. I went
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: into the studio.
• 31:25
  Speaker 6: He had a big twenty five thousand square feet warehouse
• 31:28
  Speaker 6: and Slawson right, So we went in there and nixt thing,
• 31:31
  Speaker 6: you know. It was him and eighty eight keys whatever,
• 31:34
  Speaker 6: and the engineer and I just stopped playing music and
• 31:37
  Speaker 6: he was just like getting excited, and we was like whatever.
• 31:40
  Speaker 6: And the producer came in and said, you everic before
• 31:42
  Speaker 6: you came here, we had no vibe, you know what
• 31:44
  Speaker 6: I'm saying. So whatever was working at the time was
• 31:46
  Speaker 6: just working, and we just kept me just.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: Doing what we was doing.
• 31:49
  Speaker 5: What came from those sessions, cause I remember you had
• 31:51
  Speaker 5: said that Kanye was putting on an album called Why three,
• 31:53
  Speaker 5: and Kanye was like, nine.
• 31:55
  Speaker 6: Right, you have listen, Charla Man, you were The stuff
• 31:57
  Speaker 6: that we was doing was classic ya samples, beats, rhymes,
• 32:01
  Speaker 6: the whole nine. Once I came back from burying my
• 32:04
  Speaker 6: mother and I flew to Italy, I saw Todd Donalds
• 32:07
  Speaker 6: sign and I looked.
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: On the board. I saw my songs, but all the rest.
• 32:11
  Speaker 6: Of them was him and Todd donald sign. So they
• 32:13
  Speaker 6: switched the whole situation. When I was gone, right, anything,
• 32:19
  Speaker 6: I mean anything about Now they leaked a couple of songs.
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: Worship and something else came out that I did, but
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: it was a leak.
• 32:30
  Speaker 5: I always wondered, man, because I don't know for the
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: people who don't know. Eric Serman discovered red Man. You
• 32:35
  Speaker 5: heard him mention Keith Murray. Always wondered, if e pm
• 32:38
  Speaker 5: D doesn't break up, do we still get Oh my.
• 32:41
  Speaker 6: God, Jesus christ Man Yo. Of course, because Reggie was there.
• 32:45
  Speaker 6: Murray was there too. But I can imagine the five years.
• 32:48
  Speaker 6: Don't figure this is this is head binger and crossover
• 32:51
  Speaker 6: just and we out, So imagine the five years in between.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: I wonder what would have happened.
• 32:58
  Speaker 6: You know what was there other groups that would have
• 33:01
  Speaker 6: came was the Wu Tang and the chronic would have
• 33:05
  Speaker 6: been you know, able to you know the rain that
• 33:09
  Speaker 6: we had was was keeping ready would have been the
• 33:12
  Speaker 6: new added edition at that moment. Now we oh my god,
• 33:15
  Speaker 6: you know another one? You know, so five years in between.
• 33:19
  Speaker 6: I asked that question all the time. I wonder what
• 33:21
  Speaker 6: it would have happened. House keep people forget about Jamal Jamal?
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: How is you speaking to?
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: How's Keith?
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: How's keep doing?
• 33:31
  Speaker 6: Yeah, he's doing he's doing good. I don't really talk
• 33:34
  Speaker 6: to him to see him as much though, but he's
• 33:36
  Speaker 6: heard from Keith in a minute, yea, yeah, he Well,
• 33:39
  Speaker 6: Keith had moved down south, you know what I'm saying.
• 33:41
  Speaker 6: But again, I know that the Depth Squad is in
• 33:44
  Speaker 6: the talking right now as far as the Death Squad LP,
• 33:48
  Speaker 6: so hopefully that does happen. You know what I'm saying again,
• 33:52
  Speaker 6: Right now where music is at, to me, it's fun,
• 33:56
  Speaker 6: but I'm not with the system of putting my music
• 34:02
  Speaker 6: at this time. Would the name through platforms?
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: Now?
• 34:06
  Speaker 6: This album right now is going through a platform because
• 34:08
  Speaker 6: I happened that three hundred I was signed to and
• 34:11
  Speaker 6: Warner took it.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: So it's going through the platforms. But that's not my
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: future one like that mass Appeal.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: I like what mass Appeal's doing.
• 34:19
  Speaker 7: I saw you talked about and yeah listen, I like
• 34:23
  Speaker 7: that too.
• 34:23
  Speaker 6: I just I just don't I want to make all
• 34:26
  Speaker 6: the money at this time, because again, listen, the president
• 34:32
  Speaker 6: of Spotify, not the owner. The president makes He made
• 34:37
  Speaker 6: three hundred million dollars in twenty twenty four. In twenty
• 34:41
  Speaker 6: twenty five, he made four hundred and twenty five million dollars,
• 34:44
  Speaker 6: not the owner, the president.
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: President.
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: Wow, so we're.
• 34:48
  Speaker 6: Still making zero zero zero four less than a penny. Right,
• 34:53
  Speaker 6: Congress just passed the bill that we get one cent now,
• 34:57
  Speaker 6: but one cent is one million streams is fourteen grand.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 35:04
  Speaker 6: If I get fourteen thousand people to give me one dollar,
• 35:06
  Speaker 6: I make fourteen thousand dollars. I don't know how Jay
• 35:10
  Speaker 6: said numbers don't lie.
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: This is this is the truth.
• 35:13
  Speaker 6: So if I get eight thousand fans to give me
• 35:17
  Speaker 6: two hundred bucks, that means merchandise records. The whole night,
• 35:20
  Speaker 6: I made one point six million dollars. I only need
• 35:22
  Speaker 6: a million people. I only need two hundred thousand, one
• 35:24
  Speaker 6: hundred thousand. I need eight thousand people. If eight thousand
• 35:27
  Speaker 6: people give me one hundred dollars, it's eight hundred grand.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: This doesn't make any sense. Dj MB is already a name.
• 35:35
  Speaker 6: You're already a name already, so at the end of
• 35:37
  Speaker 6: the day, you know you got people who gonna support you.
• 35:40
  Speaker 6: Is the fact that you don't want to take that
• 35:42
  Speaker 6: shot because again you don't trust it.
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: But why not.
• 35:45
  Speaker 6: You're already popular, so they're gonna support whatever you show them.
• 35:52
  Speaker 7: You talked about in a rollin Stone article bringing back
• 35:55
  Speaker 7: giving people a blueprint to certain things. Right, So with
• 35:57
  Speaker 7: what you just say, So the blueprint that you're telling
• 35:59
  Speaker 7: are now even new artists, is what create a dot com?
• 36:02
  Speaker 7: Like create their own streaming? Like what is that business model?
• 36:05
  Speaker 6: The same thing that you're doing right now that no
• 36:07
  Speaker 6: matter what, everybody has a www.
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: It doesn't matter that that never left.
• 36:12
  Speaker 6: We left the websites because nobody talks about them no more.
• 36:15
  Speaker 6: But on your website you can have band camp and
• 36:19
  Speaker 6: shopify and it's the same thing no matter what.
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: So this is what you do.
• 36:25
  Speaker 6: You direct them to that same marketing promotion that you
• 36:28
  Speaker 6: would spend how you would market and promote something.
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: Now you send them to your website.
• 36:31
  Speaker 6: Every major show you watch, every major person with a
• 36:36
  Speaker 6: that is pop well you know that's clothing line, whatever,
• 36:40
  Speaker 6: has a WWW and once and when they want you
• 36:44
  Speaker 6: to look at something, they direct it to their website.
• 36:46
  Speaker 6: That's the whole thing. The website is back. Make it
• 36:49
  Speaker 6: dope again, make it colorful, make it the fact that whatever,
• 36:52
  Speaker 6: make it whatever, and then put your shit on there,
• 36:55
  Speaker 6: shopify in the band camp or whatever you can use
• 36:58
  Speaker 6: for them to purchase the situation. And that's the model
• 37:01
  Speaker 6: that I would use. I'm not saying the new people
• 37:03
  Speaker 6: because they're going to be harder for somebody who doesn't
• 37:05
  Speaker 6: have a name, but somebody who already has a name.
• 37:09
  Speaker 6: I'm just telling you the numbers again. If you got
• 37:11
  Speaker 6: a thousand people giving you five dollars, there's the numbers.
• 37:17
  Speaker 6: You can't lose on that. And you see the people
• 37:20
  Speaker 6: making you sleep, ess and you're making thirty dousand dollars whatever,
• 37:23
  Speaker 6: and you resting because this shit that you put out
• 37:26
  Speaker 6: hat is moving while you're sleeping.
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: Jeff yo yo.
• 37:32
  Speaker 6: But people don't want to do that because they like,
• 37:35
  Speaker 6: this is what I heard from some artists.
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna miss his name.
• 37:38
  Speaker 6: Somebody just said, yeah, that's dope though, But I want
• 37:42
  Speaker 6: people to hear my music worldwide, nigga, you already famous,
• 37:48
  Speaker 6: meaning that they want to put their music on the
• 37:50
  Speaker 6: platforms so everybody can hear it. You pass that already.
• 37:56
  Speaker 8: But you know what what some people get.
• 37:58
  Speaker 9: You know, I could understand that artist because like if
• 38:01
  Speaker 9: your if your fan base is used to just getting
• 38:04
  Speaker 9: it anyway. There's so many subscriptions shit's going on. It's like, yo,
• 38:10
  Speaker 9: I gotta ask or they gotta pay for something else.
• 38:12
  Speaker 9: And somebody and people with the fans, like even in
• 38:14
  Speaker 9: the twitch chat, they always like somebody always selling something
• 38:17
  Speaker 9: and it's like, you know, how many subscriptions do you
• 38:20
  Speaker 9: want or can.
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: You pay for?
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: But yes, but you work hard.
• 38:25
  Speaker 6: We get up in the morning, we go to work,
• 38:28
  Speaker 6: I press them buttons, I do all that shit, and
• 38:31
  Speaker 6: all of a sudden, somebody, would you buy something? Would
• 38:34
  Speaker 6: you can wage something for a penny?
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: Nah? I'm with you.
• 38:37
  Speaker 6: I get what I'm saying. Like, Yo, I'm giving away
• 38:40
  Speaker 6: something for less than one cent. Yeah, that's all I'm
• 38:44
  Speaker 6: saying now like at this stage, now I'm selling my
• 38:49
  Speaker 6: ship for less.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: Than a penny. Nah. I can't do that.
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: And it feels like robbery.
• 38:53
  Speaker 5: When I hear artists say the music is the promo
• 38:56
  Speaker 5: for the tour and the merch, I'm like, nah, you
• 38:58
  Speaker 5: should be getting paid off the music.
• 39:00
  Speaker 6: Charla Man like you mentioned that. That's that right there
• 39:02
  Speaker 6: is so true. That's what they be saying, which is crazy.
• 39:07
  Speaker 6: That's also crazy. No, it makes no sense.
• 39:10
  Speaker 5: I went to the massive pill shop the other day.
• 39:11
  Speaker 5: I dropped some coins. Then what because they had the
• 39:15
  Speaker 5: nos illmatic jacket. That's so fire. You know, ghost Face
• 39:18
  Speaker 5: my favorite artist. So when you're walking around the store,
• 39:20
  Speaker 5: you like a kid in the candy shop. It's all
• 39:22
  Speaker 5: of the different merch you want the merch.
• 39:24
  Speaker 6: You know, certain things I did do Like next year
• 39:27
  Speaker 6: I got Levi's got the e P M D jacket
• 39:29
  Speaker 6: EPMD shirt. They signed NAS and they signed the EPM D.
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: I did it for like Geenie jackets, Yeah, gene jackets.
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: But I did it for.
• 39:40
  Speaker 6: The the leverage of stuff, knowing that there was no money.
• 39:44
  Speaker 6: You know, I don't know, I don't know when NAS
• 39:45
  Speaker 6: got paid, but they adn't give me dime.
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: I'm lee by, I'm cool, I'm cool, cool.
• 39:52
  Speaker 6: But again, the leverage of me having this and then
• 39:55
  Speaker 6: being able to use that everything is usually too though.
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: I know y'all all know about leverage. Leverage is the.
• 40:02
  Speaker 6: Money will come, but certain things you do to get
• 40:06
  Speaker 6: into the second door in the third door. Yeah, you
• 40:09
  Speaker 6: know what, I'm so again, they you know, LEVI called people.
• 40:12
  Speaker 6: You know, I'm like, hell, yeah, fuck it. You don't
• 40:14
  Speaker 6: give what it was, but you know they're giving me
• 40:16
  Speaker 6: two things. The shirt was just the first thing. It's like, oh,
• 40:19
  Speaker 6: we want to give you a jacket too, and let's
• 40:22
  Speaker 6: let's do that.
• 40:22
  Speaker 7: Fucking you know so well all this business success. I
• 40:25
  Speaker 7: also saw you talk about the artists you could have
• 40:26
  Speaker 7: signed that you didn't sign, So like fifty cent Rick
• 40:29
  Speaker 7: ross akon fujis like looking back at that now, like,
• 40:34
  Speaker 7: first of all, how did you not think to just
• 40:36
  Speaker 7: do the label and then keep all those artists close
• 40:38
  Speaker 7: to your chest?
• 40:38
  Speaker 6: Because you see, this is what I said on one
• 40:40
  Speaker 6: of my posts that I'm sorry for keep repeating the stories.
• 40:44
  Speaker 6: But then the beautiful lady asks again, so you're gonna
• 40:47
  Speaker 6: hear it again for the third podcast.
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: You know, at the time.
• 40:51
  Speaker 6: I was just I had my own groups, so I
• 40:54
  Speaker 6: didn't look at, you know, what it was what somebody
• 40:58
  Speaker 6: else was doing.
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: I had my own crew. The his squad was my
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: own crew.
• 41:01
  Speaker 6: So when when when they was when all of them
• 41:04
  Speaker 6: was coming to me at the time, I wasn't, you know,
• 41:06
  Speaker 6: focused on them like that. I kind of listen, man,
• 41:11
  Speaker 6: the guy got him say but no and be gonna
• 41:13
  Speaker 6: know too. But no, back there it's like two he
• 41:15
  Speaker 6: brought me the fujis whatever. I just wasn't at the
• 41:18
  Speaker 6: time paying attention to it at the time, you know.
• 41:21
  Speaker 6: But again lucky I didn't because salm Remy without that
• 41:26
  Speaker 6: probably wouldn't have heard the fujis.
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: None of those artists that you mentioned excited me.
• 41:31
  Speaker 5: There's one artist that I always wish was with Eric
• 41:34
  Speaker 5: Sherman in Hitch Squad who Cannabis. Yeah, he was with me,
• 41:38
  Speaker 5: I know, but I wish he would have stayed with
• 41:40
  Speaker 5: y'all and did his debut album.
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: We'd be having a whole other conversation.
• 41:46
  Speaker 6: But but again, Ross was brought me to me by
• 41:49
  Speaker 6: Tony Draper, you know, and and he was Teflon, So
• 41:53
  Speaker 6: I did put him on the ninety nine album as Teflon,
• 41:55
  Speaker 6: though you know what.
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: Happened with cannabis? Why didn't that? Why didn't he stay
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: with your.
• 42:00
  Speaker 6: He signed the White Cleft, Oh yeah, I mean yeah,
• 42:02
  Speaker 6: but again yeah, the money, the money was offered, I
• 42:05
  Speaker 6: think it was like a million dollars something like that
• 42:07
  Speaker 6: was offered to him.
• 42:08
  Speaker 5: I wouldn't have took the money, take the sound. That
• 42:10
  Speaker 5: sound would have been totally different.
• 42:12
  Speaker 6: But all those groups, the Woutangs, the whole nine to
• 42:15
  Speaker 6: two again, but no, his father had a church in
• 42:18
  Speaker 6: Staten Island, you know, for over thirty years, and he
• 42:22
  Speaker 6: took me to the Whatever project. It was at Whatever,
• 42:25
  Speaker 6: and I met all and there's a picture I told
• 42:26
  Speaker 6: you that that's out park Hill is a picture that's
• 42:29
  Speaker 6: out with me on my eye rock with all them
• 42:32
  Speaker 6: on it.
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: You know, it was out there somewhere and now we
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: can't find it.
• 42:35
  Speaker 6: But again, you know, I was really gonna sign Ray
• 42:39
  Speaker 6: Kwan by himself first, but again time go by, you know,
• 42:44
  Speaker 6: and I ended up getting robed in staff noillis.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 42:48
  Speaker 9: So with this album is titled Volume one, you got
• 42:51
  Speaker 9: other volumes.
• 42:52
  Speaker 6: Coming, yeah, Volume two is coming too, And I just
• 42:54
  Speaker 6: like looked at it's kind of crazy because I played
• 42:57
  Speaker 6: a Locks record by mistake on the on another podcast
• 43:02
  Speaker 6: on you know, on his podcast. Yeah, and I didn't
• 43:06
  Speaker 6: know that they're going to keep it. So it's playing.
• 43:09
  Speaker 6: My daughter said, Yo, there was the Locks record. I'm like,
• 43:12
  Speaker 6: how do you know about that? He said, oh no,
• 43:14
  Speaker 6: it's on the podcast at the end. So at the
• 43:17
  Speaker 6: end it played. So I had that as a surprise.
• 43:21
  Speaker 6: I might be got to make something else if I
• 43:23
  Speaker 6: don't get popular. But all the CNN, you know.
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: It's gonna get popular.
• 43:30
  Speaker 9: You number one, no, no, no, But but I have
• 43:36
  Speaker 9: all the stuff seeing in Black Star, you know, you know,
• 43:41
  Speaker 9: I was came in the Locks I told you before.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: Damn a ball. M j G requined ghost face, healter skeleton. No, no, no,
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: this is this is no, this is what what whatever? Ego? Yeah, okay,
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: it's A. It's a. It's twenty three groups. Right.
• 44:09
  Speaker 6: The reason why I put on Lil Wayne the game
• 44:13
  Speaker 6: in Conway is because I'm.
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: Also doing making up dynamic duels too.
• 44:19
  Speaker 6: The Lil Wayne is not on the one that you hearing,
• 44:22
  Speaker 6: but they played that on Joe and Jay too, and
• 44:25
  Speaker 6: that's also going. I'm like, god, damn, I can't even
• 44:28
  Speaker 6: bring the remix back, you know what I'm saying, like,
• 44:31
  Speaker 6: you know what, yeah, yeah, but no, but big time
• 44:36
  Speaker 6: is so people ast me to where's the South groups?
• 44:44
  Speaker 6: You think I don't want to get you know, you
• 44:46
  Speaker 6: know UGK Pempcey's right here. I think I want to
• 44:48
  Speaker 6: get out cast if I could. This is impossible to
• 44:51
  Speaker 6: get those, So, you know, I didn't want to go
• 44:53
  Speaker 6: all in New York. I used three West Coast. I
• 44:56
  Speaker 6: did dog pounds snooping the Nate Dog in Cyprus Hills
• 45:00
  Speaker 6: in the game, you know, in the game, yeah four right,
• 45:03
  Speaker 6: So but I didn't want to go all East. I
• 45:05
  Speaker 6: could have went that way because my first thing I
• 45:08
  Speaker 6: wanted to get with Slick Rick and Dougie. I wanted
• 45:10
  Speaker 6: to make another show part two, just differently my way,
• 45:14
  Speaker 6: you know, just I had it.
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: I called them first and nice and smooth. Again, I didn't.
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: I couldn't get I couldn't get the things going at
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: the time. But but but I want to do.
• 45:27
  Speaker 6: Common and and and what was my god?
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: I got to tell you that.
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: The common common.
• 45:39
  Speaker 6: Who black though black? Okay, So I want to make
• 45:43
  Speaker 6: my duos, put put them together. Do to make sure
• 45:45
  Speaker 6: he and you know what. I was playing the styles
• 45:48
  Speaker 6: pre record on your album. You know that beat was
• 45:51
  Speaker 6: your It was your way before it's time, Okay, anything sposed.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: To sign yes and listen.
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: I need you this.
• 46:03
  Speaker 6: He is gonna sound crazy, but I need to make
• 46:05
  Speaker 6: sure that we got clickbaits.
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: So start something up real quick.
• 46:12
  Speaker 5: As soon as you're saying, all of the young people here,
• 46:15
  Speaker 5: when they talk about the Diddy Doc, they be like, yo, man,
• 46:17
  Speaker 5: I ain't no didd he was messing with dudes. So
• 46:19
  Speaker 5: they'd be like little rod Ex. I'm like, wha, you
• 46:22
  Speaker 5: ain't watch the doctor?
• 46:23
  Speaker 4: If you say, Eric, I never heard just the perception
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: of the doc because the guy that don't know.
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: I'm serious.
• 46:34
  Speaker 7: Perception after that is crazy.
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: I'm not even people friend. But I'm not. I'm not
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: even mad. I'm not even made right. I never listen.
• 46:55
  Speaker 6: I don't want to be the interview where it was like, okay,
• 46:59
  Speaker 6: like you're all have the biggest stars in America and
• 47:02
  Speaker 6: like and like, and have the people up here that
• 47:05
  Speaker 6: be saying some other ship.
• 47:06
  Speaker 4: That you've got a story already.
• 47:08
  Speaker 5: You don't have to.
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: Let me.
• 47:12
  Speaker 6: Let me listen. Man, I need I need. I need
• 47:18
  Speaker 6: to have to click. I need the ship to be.
• 47:20
  Speaker 9: I need Another young boy.
• 47:27
  Speaker 5: There was another young another young boy Priaid that was
• 47:29
  Speaker 5: talking and he was just talking about the Diddy doc
• 47:31
  Speaker 5: and he was like, yeah, man, dude didn't pay the
• 47:33
  Speaker 5: producer two hundred and fifty thousand dollars and the producers
• 47:35
  Speaker 5: say sometimes he woke up with girls, sometimes he woke
• 47:37
  Speaker 5: up with boys.
• 47:37
  Speaker 4: And I'm like, what's the producer? He was like, Eric Sermon,
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: I said, no, that was little Rod.
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: Oh you said that. Yes, that's what.
• 47:43
  Speaker 6: I'm trying to these young people, you know, listen telling me,
• 47:47
  Speaker 6: I'm gonna believe you for a second.
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: To make up some clickba You just told me to
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: make up.
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: Some believe the documentary. Don't say that thought.
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: No, that's my.
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: Point to me.
• 48:00
  Speaker 8: Want back around.
• 48:01
  Speaker 4: You're told you don't even know.
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: Don't click My bad.
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: It was addressing.
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: Let's get into a record of that. What do you
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: want to hear that?
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: American is so funny?
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: What you want to play? Let's do sidewalk executives man, Yeah, yeah, and.
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: Let's get into it now, Euble, we appreciate you.
• 48:29
  Speaker 6: No, no, listen, no, because Charlott mane is not being fair.
• 48:33
  Speaker 6: This right here is that's a cool one. But now
• 48:35
  Speaker 6: you usually do a lot more, and I feel like
• 48:37
  Speaker 6: I'm getting shorted.
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: But you do icon you have real I was here
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: discovered in nineteen ninety seven.
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: You wasn't, No ninety six, I was.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: I was in ninety nine.
• 48:50
  Speaker 8: I got one.
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: You said the nine and nine.
• 48:52
  Speaker 7: You said it with stories you told and the doctor
• 48:54
  Speaker 7: didn't make it tell us one of those stories?
• 48:55
  Speaker 8: Oh no, yeah, what's the other four?
• 48:58
  Speaker 4: No?
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: I didn't do that. You're not doing that? But what it?
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: But j just like can that? Hey just listen, just are
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: you gonna make me boy with you?
• 49:04
  Speaker 9: Not?
• 49:05
  Speaker 5: I already did it earlier, but I'll say it again.
• 49:07
  Speaker 5: When did He drove me around the corners.
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: He thank you. I love it.
• 49:16
  Speaker 4: I know what.
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: I love you.
• 49:23
  Speaker 6: Pe, we love you, thank you, we love you.
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: Thank you. Club good, wake that ass up in the morning.
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: The Breakfast Club