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Construction & Concerts · The Pork Roll, Egg, And Cheese Podcast

• Shamus: Hello everybody and welcome to another episode of the pork roll and cheese podcast. As always, my name is Seamus. Herbie: And I'm Herbie Burbie, for every banana, pineapple, cherbie. Len: And Uncle Len's a special guest today. Shamus: Yes, sir. He is. This is going to be a good episode. Ladies and gentlemen, Uncle Len is one of my favorite. I've known him since I was eight years old, which is almost 40 years now. And he's one of the most famous favorite people I know. Len: You got much. So I keep myself busy. You know, I got the Village Handyman gig going on. That's a small business I do on the side of the McWheel's Family Construction, which is the larger business. Partnered up with Sean McWheel, my nephew, Tom's son. Yeah. Yeah. ⁓ Shamus: So what's going on buddy? Why don't you tell everybody a little bit about your Len: Right now we're hitting our peak busy season, man. We're going crazy building decks and all that. So you know anybody needs a deck, plug in for McWilliam Family Construction. Herbie: Yeah, you're also on Facebook too, so like a lot of times those posts could be shared on Facebook. Shamus: We'll get to that. We'll let him plug all that. how long have you guys been doing the Village Handyman thing? Len: Well, handy man. I picked that up probably maybe 10, 12 years ago. Just started it as a hobby thing. I built a new shed. It's like, man, I got built shit out here. Then I was like, ⁓ the collection of lumber should I have? Yeah. ⁓ guess what? I haven't had time to build shit out there for myself. Shamus: building everybody else and stuff. Len: Exactly. Barn doors, barn doors are a big thing. Village handyman does. He does a window shutters, shit like that, you know, unique things, you know, that I enjoy building. Shamus: gonna say some of the pictures I've seen like them sliding barn door and things you got or yeah Herbie: And they're heavy duty too. These things are built to last. Len: Yeah, well the idea for the shutters for the windows was actually Sean's wife, Sarah's with their dogs barking out the windows all the time. She asked Sean to build them for her and he mentioned it to me. I took right off on it, man. I built them right up and advertised them. People love them. Shamus: They're actually deatastic the outside of the house and the inside. Len: The inside like the old school stuff and they're operational but they're on barn door tracks where they slide open and close really so don't need curtains They're not dust collectors pop them off clean them. Wow, whatever. Yeah Shamus: I thought you meant like the old storm door shutter thing. Len: I can't make them too, you know. Shamus: Well, there's not too much like since I've known you since I was a kid, you guys always had the family business and everybody in your family knows how to build stuff pretty much. Len: We all know we all know. We used to hate summertime. You get out of school. That didn't mean vacation. No, you worked. you worked. Shamus: That's how it was with my dad too. Where do you guys cut? Like what areas you guys cover? Like Loverton, Medford? Len: We'll cover all just about South Jersey. mean, we've been down to Cape May courthouse. ⁓ wow. Freehold. Yeah. We don't so much go up North Jersey, but yeah, we'll go as far as like. Yeah, And we went out area. Yeah. Sorry. Yeah, right. Yeah. You've grown on us. Yeah. Like, you know what? Shamus: because all the New York fans are Herbie: As long as I'm accepted in the group, it's cool. like a New York tumor. Len: Yeah. Shamus: I know you said you like doing decks and all windows shutters and stuff. Is there anything you guys specialize in or? Or you just general construction Len: Nah, these guys do it. Yeah, we do it all, man. Yeah. We got good trades to work with too. We got HVAC guys, plumbers, electricians. Shamus: You guys are covering the whole gamut of stuff then. Len: We don't do any of that ourselves. We don't if it's minor, but just sub it out. You know, got good trades that follows. We got a couple of additions coming up, full house additions. And we're going to be doing one of our largest decks here over in Delran right on, I don't want to give you the address out, but it's Fairview. Nice part of Delran, I didn't know the properties were that big back in that. Shamus: Or ill? Or mo? back in them avenues right past the ⁓ VFW. Len: That area? Well, this area is right before the VFW. on the corner of Fairview and the pink coast it is. They want a 30 foot by 65 foot deck with the 27 foot. Holy the 27 foot pool. Halfway in it. Halfway like moon shape into the deck. I'm so excited for this one. That would be our biggest one. Shamus: deck. Herbie: That's next part. Shamus: What are they doing truck would and with that Len: I say that everybody loves trucks, I'm like with pool decks and all that, I warn people. said that truck gets so steaming hot. There's a story going around where a woman put her baby out on the deck, not even realize it. Open the slider, put her baby down on the deck, turned around real quick to get something out of the house, went out there and the baby already had third degree burns. Oh, it gets that hot. When we're installing the trucks, you're feeling the heat through your boots. So that's a warning out there to your homeowners, take that into consideration when you're building your duct. Shamus: Hey, I built a small one off the back of my said over here and I did it in that dark gray tracks. And with that first summer, I was like, yeah, this might have been a mistake. You're definitely going to have to cover this thing now because it was hot. I will say that. Len: Yeah Yeah. When we do dome with the wood, we use the premium wood. It's not free or minimal knots, you know, and it's really quality wood. So as you maintain it. Yeah. It takes a little bit of maintenance staying here and there, but it's quality wood. It's and you can change your colors if you change your mind. ⁓ yeah. Shamus: quick pressure washing all that stuff and just restock. Len: Yeah, yep, uh-huh. Shamus: That is a big deck, dumbass. Len: ⁓ is, ⁓ yeah it is. ⁓ Herbie: If about it too, if people were having like parties and stuff out there, that type of heat, that's not going to be fun for anyone to have like a little pool party. What is more like, know, you can actually kind of around and flip-flop. Len: Exactly. It may be hot, it ain't called sculpture feet. exactly. Especially around the pool area. Yeah. Shamus: So the village handyman and McWilliams construction are two different entities. Yeah. Len: Yeah, yeah it is, but I'll compete against him. ⁓ there you go! right? That's you really know, kid. Yeah. Nice. Shamus: ⁓ Well, I've seen you guys like I when we helped out with Bob's pool like I seen you guys working It's very efficient you guys ⁓ definitely know what doing. Yeah, I kind of sat there and all ⁓ ⁓ I'll just go to pull nails nails. I just walk around pulling nails, man. Herbie: I'll carry the wood. was like, go grab me that hammer. I got you. I got you. Len: Yeah, right. People always tell us, you guys don't even talk to each other. How do you get the work done? So we all know the job. Why bullshit around? That's what after work is for. Shamus: Well, see, that's what it seemed like. You guys just showed up and you were like, OK, I got this, I got this. And they just went away. They turned the radio on and that was it. Len: Yeah, that's it. I learned that from Tom. give all kudos to Tom. Yeah, ⁓ yeah. ⁓ Herbie: Now that makes sense, right? Shamus: I'd imagine that's been the game plan since Christ. Len: Yeah, yeah Herbie: Because you're there doing the job and you're not really sitting there hanging out like afterwards like you said before you have you have a beer and then you're gonna bullshit Yeah, that's great time to bullshit in the bear hand Len: Yeah, that's the time to bullshit around. Yeah. Also McQueen's family construction is looking for labor. So any kids out to school, know, 17 driver's license, you know, time help kind of deal, man, football players, you know, you don't need the gym. come work for us. You don't need the gym. Exactly. Yeah. Yes. Shamus: summertime help kind of Total different kind of workout. Sir, that'll stretch muscles. You don't even know you're Herbie: all the muscle groups will be worked on. Len: Right on. Shamus: Well, definitely it's like I said, I know some kids in the area and stuff like that. I'll let them know. Len: Yeah, definitely. We're looking for like one or two. If they're interested in the trade, that's even better, you know. Shamus: Well, it's amazing how that is actually that pendulum is starting to swing back towards the trades because everybody's starting to realize like college isn't paying off because ⁓ Len: Yeah, I was just gonna get your job. The college kids, yeah. Shamus: Then you know if you go to trade school right out, know instead of paying $150,000 or $250,000 you're making 150,000 if you know after your apprenticeship Yeah, see we get some of these kids working that's I'm talking about Len: ⁓ trades going to be rising in salaries because it's ⁓ so and there's so many people not doing it anymore. Shamus: ⁓ that's what like Mike Rose big guy talking about. Hey, man, you guys need to get out there. There is money to be made. yeah. money to go to college. You can make that money right now. And education. Len: Exactly. I ain't getting an education. Yes. You get your math education, know. Yep. Shamus: Or you can just do construction during the day and go to college at night. Yeah. You do both if you wanted to. Len: Exactly. Herbie: Yeah, because like in 20 years when AI becomes robots and try to destroy humanity, we need ⁓ Yeah, there. John Connor, if you're listening, you're probably not born yet. We're going needs to do what? Len: Speaking of AI, man, I told my ways or to Siri, I told her your address. She said, Leonard, that is racist. Well, she thought I said white bitch Avenue. And then she says, I found this one. Would I help you? I'm like, what Avenue you got? She said, hoedown Avenue. said, no, that ain't no help. I'm not a good AI person. Shamus: I Len: You be on my blueprints by, you know, drawing and all that. Diamond ⁓ school, know, still the paper and all that shit. Herbie: Yeah, it's still where it's at. Shamus: Yeah, it's I don't I can't even understand half of the shit that goes on now technology wise anymore. Yeah. Like I don't even have Siri on my phone anymore, because like you said, you'll ask us something like, do not understand or are you a retard? Yeah, never mind. I got it. Len: Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it's crazy. Yeah, exactly. ⁓ Shamus: What else is going on man? Anything else? How's the gaming thing going? I know you're big gamer. ⁓ Len: ⁓ yeah, like some Call of Duty and Battlefield stuff like that. The multiplayer games, you know. Shamus: You have like a team you play with a squad or you just go out all by Len: I go by myself and I'm afraid I to become friends with the good kids, you know, but most of my bad on there Bad talkers. ⁓ man. How old are you kid? Yeah, yeah, I keep they keep killing you every time you respawn and all it's like, yeah Herbie: I'm going there Shamus: that. Herbie: Like eight and a half. Bum bag. Be like a great. Len: Yeah bullshit man bullshit. I'm making a mission. I make my mission I don't care if I win or lose the game get shot a thousand times. I'm getting you every time I see you Yeah Especially you come up on them and stuff them with a knife in the back or something then tea bag ⁓ Herbie: Damn, right Len: Yeah, hell yeah. Yep. Yeah. Shamus: didn't know you could do all that stuff all night. That's another thing. I'm not a big game guy, so I know me and you talk about it because I'm much... Len: We just played that Zelda over there, Bob's house there on Hooker Street. That's what got me hooked, man. That Zelda game when I came out. Shamus: The Nintendo game? Folks, they're making a movie about that. It's coming out. Len: Yeah, that we'd be talking about man. Some days going to be like a cartoon. Never thinking it's going to be real life. Shit. It's crazy. Shamus: Yeah, all those games. It's out of control. Len: Yeah. Herbie: would be kind of cool to like, you know, start living like, you know, walking around with like a shield and a sword. Yeah, but I everyone else to do it with me. I want to be like the only one doing it. Shamus: You do that from time Len: Yeah You drive to Vince's town me see her dress is dark mall From his house to my house because I'm playing the Star Wars video game Herbie: That's right, Shamus: In the parties where I step out back back when I used to smoke cigarettes and stuff I would step out of the house and smoke a cigarette all sudden like one dude be walking through the woods and next thing you know you just see this red lightsaber fire up and like This other green one would light up and like two dudes just I'm like that's fucking hurt Len: Yeah. Herbie: That's when me and Bobby had a duel off the back and forth. Yeah, was great. Len: Hell yeah, man. Good shit. Good shit. Shamus: I'm back in the house. Herbie: It was was like like Ryan was like right in the middle of us and he just didn't move man cuz we're just having the lights in each class I beat the shit out of each other Len: front. Shamus: I didn't even know you guys were there until that fucking lightsaber fired up. Herbie: And the great thing about it, too, is like they can snap open like you have like a little little the handle. Len: Now they got these Harry Potter wands to shoot the flame out actually put a piece of tissue in there or something. Shoot it. know, goes out of flame. Herbie: I'd love to. ⁓ might be an Amazon flying here. Shamus: That's a forget That's what I'm saying. Herbie: I might be able get Uncle Len to adjust that thing for me and shoot more than just tissue paper and stuff, man. Being Uncle Len's backyard, just like Wingardium Leviosa. ⁓ Len: Shit! Shamus: Maybe like that wizard from Mighty Python where he just points. Herbie: Bones! Shamus: Well, you play a lot of that stuff too, right? Or you just played the Star Wars Battlefront stuff? Herbie: Yeah, I played the battlefront like plenty of times, like on the old systems, but the online stuff, I'm still like in the dark ages. I just play like the online games on my phone. Shamus: How did you get hooked into that? Like the online, like I understand the Nintendo stuff, but to like jump online is like, to me, it's like going to the moon. Len: Oh, it is. is. Yeah. I don't know. Really. just playing the game. One day I'd seen the multiplayer click on it. What's this? You know, searching for players and all these names coming up. I don't know these guys. Now all of a sudden you're on the team with them playing against other things like cool. You know, And then you can talk to them and all as you're playing and all that. Oh, yeah. Herbie: I think like Ian and then of course you know they. Shamus: do know that. Because I did the Madden thing and like you said, some of those kids. I got cursed out by a nine year old from Montana once. I picked them off and went six and went to the house and I didn't I wasn't talking trash. Fuck you. Fuck mother. And I was like, how are you? ⁓ Len: Hahaha! I can't play like the sports games because I get too upset. Yeah. Oh man. I'll scream like I do. Yeah. Here it is. Eight year old kid. Yeah. As mom comes on, you're talking about sunlight. Shamus: That kid did Herbie: by horse shit! Shamus: Shut the fuck up! Herbie: Did you hear your god damn angel talk the way he does? Shamus: Wait a minute. What you wearing? Len: You know who you're to? Herbie: Is your mom high? Shamus: Yeah, I don't really play too much after that. was like, man, that kid just cursed me. I was like, man, this is wild. Len: ⁓ yeah, is. Yeah. Herbie: Extra in it man. They really do. Plus they get more ballsy too because they know they don't have any consequence because they can talk shit from Connecticut and you're like, I'm not going to drive over there. Len: you Yeah, right. I'll reach for it the day, right? Herbie: I can reach you with a goddamn hand! Shamus: Well, that's what what did that one. Len: And then I'll zap you with a virus or something. Exactly. Yeah. Shamus: Well, yeah, that's what is. Infect your software. Well, that's what who said it was. I know Tyson said everybody's got a plan to get punched in face, but one somebody I think he said the Internet has made everybody so tough because there's no consequence for saying so. I try to steer clear of all that. Len: Yeah, exactly. Shamus: I see the commercials like all the celebrities getting ready to play and they get blown up and are like, who the is that? Like, who cares? Step over the bodies. And I'm like, man, that sounds pretty cool, man. ⁓ Len: Yeah. was fun, I enjoy it. enjoy it. You have a day at work, everybody's, the people, the homeowner you're dealing with all day, that's the enemy that... Herbie: in the detail. Shamus: I was gonna say that's one way to get rid of aggression right there Herbie: You're in the face with a... Len: Name on a person. You are now the enemy. And then again, you spend the whole game just chasing out one person. Herbie: It just run past everybody else. Number 92, Len: Yeah, right? that's it, man. That's it. Shamus: That's pretty cool, man. I know you're a big concert guy too, man. Oh, yeah. Len: I've some of the greatest concerts unbelievable. I'm fortunate enough to grow up in the era of a JFK Stadium concert Now I had to work God working with Tom I could went I could have went to the concert but he killed at me, you know In a way, you know, I'm looking back on it. I really didn't miss it, Shamus: ⁓ Do you go to Live Aid? No? Len: So crowded. mean, Jeff, oh my God, I've seen like concerts with a hundred thousand people there. There was what? 140 or something like that. Herbie: That's a little too many. Shamus: I I was, that was what, 85? So I was like eight, nine, I think I just moved to Jersey at that point, because we live in Philadelphia, and didn't really recognize how big it was, because you're a kid, but then I bought like the Live Aid, the 40, or the 30th anniversary DVD set, and when you saw, I was like, ooh. Len: Yeah. Neither of you ever had a concert there? ⁓ my God. That was absolutely best. ⁓ my God. Back in the seventies. I saw the Who there twice. Pink Floyd there. Stones there. You know, amazing concert. General admission probably cost maybe like $15 for your ticket. Wow. JFK had all the bench seats, know, no seats of wooden bench seats. Shamus: at JFK. Len: I don't even know if they had assigned seating. I think it was just all general. You go there and you go in. Yeah. Well, we always made my friends always got the same spot on field sound booth was maybe 20 yards off of this stage. Like right to the right of that, we always met there for every concert right there, about 20 feet off the right hand corner facing the stage. So we always knew where each other were. Shamus: Pick a spot. Herbie: That's smart. Shamus: I mean for those of you who don't realize like our younger crowd like we didn't have cell phones and shit back in Like you had to tell people this is what we're meet every time we come here Len: Hell yeah! You're paying $20 for a Rolling Stones ticket. So that tells you something there. Really? Yeah. Here's a funny story too. went and who was it we saw? Jeff K was the who? Was it the who? I think it was the who. Well, Kim was pregnant with Jackie. So she was like six and a half, seven months pregnant with Jackie. I wouldn't let her go. said, no, you're not going to AFK concert. No, no, no. So we all went. Then you could go there even the day before the concert. So if the concert was Saturday, you go there Friday night. Stay Friday night all day Saturday till the concert. Outside, outside. They wouldn't open the gates. They would open the stadium like if it was a eight o'clock at night concert, they would open the stadium like around four. Shamus: outside or like in the Len: You know, so you could start mingling and then all. So we got there Friday night. We had perfect parking spot right up, you know, walk 30 feet and you're there right to the entrance. ⁓ yeah. So we were there Friday night. We stayed there Friday night, partied all Friday night, all Saturday during the day, go in. We're there in the middle of the concert, me, Ronnie, bunch of other people always in our same spot. So, ⁓ Ronnie's like, I'm making the beer run. You need that there, but yeah, grab beers, you know, so. Herbie: ⁓ damn, can't beat that. Len: He goes to get some beers. When he comes back, I'm standing there getting into it. I get a tap on my shoulder and I hear, I hope you're having fun. I turn around, hell yeah. And here it's Kim. It's Kim. Belly out and all just dancing away. I'm like, how the hell did you get here? You're gonna stay in the home and you think you're leaving me home? I said, no way. Shamus: You think you're Herbie: God bless Kim. You know Kim parties man. I'm missing this shit. Len: 120,000 people there, you know, Friday. But like I said, was she ran into Ronnie in the concession stand, believe it or not. It's like, the odds of that, you know, it's like, Holy cow, this is crazy. So I'm like, well, where did you get your ticket? Oh, I scalped one. I said, they ain't scalping tickets. Yeah. So she pulled it out and showed it to me. A Jefferson airplane ticket. Not even from the JFK venue. Not even for the venue! And she got him with it! That's great though! They figure out, look at this back momma, she wants to see him so bad, you know? Shamus: She's not gonna sell his bullshit some scalper ⁓ Len: Yeah, but that was crazy, man. So the concert's over, like I said, we were parked right there at the front door, right? So the concert's over and now I'm obligated to go home with her. It's like, where'd you park? Over there, by the bridge somewhere. the bridge somewhere. Yeah. Oh my God, I was so mad, man. We walked and walked forever. Shamus: Take it off. What? Herbie: guess so you're like basically right next to the goddamn state Len: Sure enough, she was parked right there by the bridge. Right there by the wall, man. We had the wall from the stadium. ⁓ complaining she wasn't and she was pregnant. This is unreal, man. Unreal. Shamus: On the Jersey side of bridge she could have saved at a quarter Len: Exactly! Yeah, that was nuts man, that was so... Shamus: You know, all my uncle said, and I always hear you guys talk about it too, that JFK was one of the great. That in the spectrum. Yeah. I've seen a lot of stuff at the spectrum. Len: ⁓ my god, yeah, yeah Yeah. I saw a lot of shows with Spectre. I've seen, like I say, over 60 people in concert. Wow. Yeah. Herbie: Even when he sent me the text, dude, like just like the list. Len: I saw Genesis with Phil Collins when he was the drummer. Yeah, you know, what? And this is the Peter Gabriel. And yeah, wow. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was before Collins went on his own. No, you know, it's like, holy shit. Shamus: Peter Cameron was a singer. Yeah, that's. Herbie: They really did have two different styles. Len: Peter Frampton opened up a Jav Cave. did he open for? He may open for the Stones one of the times. I've seen Stones there twice. Didn't even know who Peter Frampton was. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Shamus: It's man, I I wish I could have grew up in like that era, like the 70s because it was ⁓ man. I got see him like later on in life and I like in the 90s or 2000. Well, like to see him when they were up and coming and shit up. ⁓ Len: right Herbie: If you were in the 70s, Shay, what concert would you want to see first? Shamus: I mean, the obvious answer is going to be kiss. I was. But I mean, there were so many of them like Jethro toll. Sabbath, Zeppelin, you know, even shit like the MC5. Yeah. I mean, you name it, dude. I mean, Framp is another one. Herbie: I was thinking you Len: soldier. Floyd twice. Once Jeff came once spectrum, then seeing Roger Waters over at the Camden park, whatever that was called there. Yep. Shamus: Obviously Pink Floyd itself is better than the Roger. That was a whole vibe back then. Len: Oh, definitely. The pink Floyd I saw the concert there was and one was animals and then the other was a momentary lapse of reason. Yeah, that was awesome too. But no shows are so cool. Man, it's crazy. Herbie: Those albums are incredible too, man. just like, just that music and it does. Shamus: I can listen to the albums, but like we went to that firehouse place in Mount Holly that holds like, like, you know, have like bands. And they had I went with Bobby, I think Jackie was there or Bobby Danielle, like the whole crew was there. So like I went in and me and Tommy started talking little Tommy and, you know, like all the. The what what the hell they call that like not to paraphrase, but like all the background art where it's like all. Len: Yeah, right, Shamus: Psychedelic, that's the word I'm looking for. And I was kind of like, I never really got into that because, you know, being in law enforcement but I was just kind of like, I love the music, but I could just never get into that. But it's almost like the Grateful Dead. Herbie: Yeah. Len: ⁓ yeah, I seen that. Shamus: Like like some of the dead stuff, but I could never go to a concert because like there was just this one big cloud. Like you knew when the dead were in town, driving down 95, there was this big cloud of like drug smoke over the spectrum for like three days. And I was like, yeah, I can't, I can't be anywhere near that. Len: Yeah Right. I've seen Pink Floyd with some psychedelics in me. You need that. You need that for that. Grateful Dead with that man. ⁓ my God. They're so, so that's what their concerts were built. Herbie: THC my Shamus: And that's how I was just going to say if you're not doing it, don't go because you're side that you'll never be able to see sober or. Herbie: Uncle Len's doing the full experience, man. Like, how was the con? Shamus: Like all my aunts and uncles say the same shit man like they were just like I don't even remember what they played Like, I forget who told me it was like, went to a dead conscious one time. don't remember how the fuck I got in. I don't know how I got to my seat. I wasn't with my friends. I was just around a bunch of people I didn't know. And like, nobody said, hey, you're in my seat. I just remember waking up at home. I don't remember how I got home. Len: There were no mash pits, no fights, you know Shamus: That's a whole other thing that's kind of lost on society. Len: Somebody helps you get up and you know, you're having a bad trip somebody's there to help you or whatever Herbie: You got you bro. Shamus: Everybody was sharing their past. Yeah. Yeah. It's a shame. Man society kind of lost that part of. Len: Yeah. The outdoor concerts, mean, even like the ones without the boundaries, like Cooper River Park, they used to have them there up in Delaware Water Gap on the mountainside. used to have them there. know, yeah, that was awesome. And there would be like weekend concerts. You'd have to take your camper, stay there. And it was Saturday, Sunday, you know, many Woodstocks. Yeah, Mm hmm. Yeah, like I I was so fortunate to grow up in that era. Shamus: of a music fest. Amen. Len: I took advantage of it. If I would have been 10 years old, I'd been a Woodstock 10 year old kid. I was only five. I was too young. Yeah. Yeah. None. The other Woodstock now. I didn't want nothing. Herbie: Yeah. Shamus: We gotta be this tall to get over Len: The train wreck one you ever see the special on that? That's a crazy man. Shamus: Well, like you said, back in what? 69 people would have been like, Hey, it's cool, man. We'll get through this together. Yeah. 99. They were like, man, fuck it. It's all about water. Fuck this. And everybody just toy. It's like I said, society kind of. It's a shame. Yeah. So yeah, I watched that documentary. Yeah. It wasn't there for that. Len: Yeah, thanks. Because I really did think about going I was like, I'm like, know, don't know that's all the young kids. Yeah, and then being on the airplane tarmac. Nah, Herbie: That would have been freaking hot as hell. Shamus: That's another thing I try to steer clear. Like I know they do all these outdoor like the Camden Waterfront and Homedale does the outside arenas and stuff. But like in the summertime, I started like even now, like I'm older and stuff. I definitely do. But like even when I turn like 30, I'm like, it's too hot to be out here doing this shit. Yeah. Then you're drinking in the parking lot all day. Yeah. On the asphalt, you're getting dehydrated and then you go into the show and then like you're just exhausted. You're sweaty. You're just. Len: And the headache comes on. Shamus: comes on and now you're dehydrated as you're still drinking. ⁓ Herbie: Ocean of people with their body heat ⁓ Shamus: Yeah. And then you got and then it's almost like the Woodstock thing. Now you're pissed off. You're you're kind of. Somebody walks by and asks, he knocks into you and they don't. And next thing you know, you're like, fuck you. And so I try to stay clear of all that, man. I love going to indoor venues like I guess I used to love the spectrum spectrum. Awesome. But like I think they call it the Xfinity Arena now would used to be Wells Fargo. They change the name every three or four years. It's not a bad place to see a show, but I tend to stay inside now. So. Len: kill somebody ⁓ Yeah. Shamus: ⁓ When's the last country you've been to? Len: ⁓ shit, it's been a while. has, yeah. What is it? I even, I can't even remember really. Michael Jackson tribute was really awesome. For me to say Michael Jackson, man. That's. Look, after I went to that show, the cable was so on with Michael Jackson. It's like, damn, why didn't I see Michael Jackson when he was alive? You ⁓ know, performances was like, ⁓ my God. Shamus: That caught me off guard. Herbie: When I was young about like maybe 10 or 12 or something like that, I saw the Michael Jackson victory tour. It was all in the Jackson five. Yeah. Yeah. Thriller. But I think he did Billie Jean and yeah, it was dope. The whole thing was great. Len: Right. Yeah. Yeah. I think that probably less now. So was that it was Michael Jackson tribute thing. Nice. Yeah. Shamus: His movie looks like it's gonna be pretty good. Herbie: Yeah. Well, you also talking about like the other concerts and stuff too. Now the way of like Coachella I think just passed. So I know that was like a huge thing for everyone to go to Coachella and now people were doing like, ⁓ using like, you know, big tents and just like building like these huge like tenant communities with like couches and all this stuff. know, it just like so crowded and know, bathrooms and it was just like the logistics for bathrooms and water and stuff. just probably got real messy soon. Len: Yeah, ⁓ yeah. Shamus: How often ⁓ because I know you said you stayed outside the night before the who concert A lot of ⁓ listeners probably don't remember this. people are ageable You actually had to like if the stones were coming to town you would get in line a week before at the ticket window. Yeah Or like down at the stadium and set up a tent and you were sleeping on fucking paterson avenue ⁓ Len: Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Herbie: flipping up your freaking computer like just waiting to like you know MQ and shit yeah Shamus: Have you ever done that? I'm sure you've done that. ⁓ Len: I had to. Way, was all part of it. Oh, yeah. was all part of it. That was another party. Shamus: I was gonna say there's something lost in that too. Herbie: like, ⁓ frickin Ozzy's in town, We're, this is a whole week long adventure. Len: Right, hell yeah. Shamus: That was a way of networking back then because whoever you were with that week, the people in front of you and behind you, you guys were a team. And then you're like, you know, this guy. Len: of people behind you, you wound up seeing them in the car. Yeah. Yeah. Shamus: ⁓ Hey! Born to save Mary! Herbie: We're all in this together, brother. Shamus: Yeah, man. It's like I said, I think society lost a little ⁓ yeah ⁓ Herbie: Definitely lost that man. Everything's online now Len: Yeah. Shamus: Now, it's almost like the Gen Con thing. Just a bunch of dudes sitting at home and when tickets go on sale, they're like... waiting to get into the room or the queue or whatever they call it and stuff instead of sitting on a curb for five days waiting on, you know, zeppelin tickets and shit. Herbie: Yeah, waiting for that, The last time I did stuff like that was just like waiting in line to get tickets for like when a Phantom Menace and everything came out. And I was just, know, it's still fun, but like, you know, you're waiting in line with everybody else for like the same type of thing. Len: Yeah. The PlayStation game. ⁓ Herbie: Yeah, you got like people, you know, sometimes you see videos of people fighting in the lines. You got people that like, you know, just being complete dicks is just like want to walk in front of the line and cut. And it just seems like it almost seems like people just want us to start brawling and stuff just just for the hell of it. It's not even like the love of like, you know, going to a concert like, oh, man, Jethro Tulls in town. Len: It's. Herbie: You know, everyone's like in the same mind frame where they're going to be cool and wait in line and everyone's like either if you ran out a couple of beers, you got like, I got a couple of beers. You know, or even like if they're like, I got to take a piss like, all right, well, dude, we know that you're in line in front of us. So go take a piss. You know, you will save your spot. And then, know, you come back in. like, it's cool. It's no fun. Len: Yeah. Shamus: those people. Yeah. Like when you tailgate certain like Eagles games or stuff like that. always like you see the guys our age and stuff. And like when I had to win a bago and we were tailgating like this one guy was parked next to us. Yeah. And usually had all his buddies with him and he was just by himself. I'm like, where's everybody at? He was like, I went to a trip and I was like, well, come on over, because it was raining. And he was I felt bad that he was in the back of his truck and he had a piece of cardboard like like on his pickup truck. he sounds like Len: Come on, man. Good morning. Shamus: And then the next time I needed something, he was like, yeah, I got you. So it still happens, but it's more like our age. Yeah. That kind of shit. Herbie: Like you said, it's for tailgates. like, you the other things that like altercations could be like, you know, people online waiting for like the new Jordan sneakers to come out or like, know, they. Eat the shit out of each other. Shamus: Those people just suck. Not to get killed about it. And it doesn't matter what I mean, a lot of people are like, oh, and I know I say a lot society loses or but like even in the 30s and 40s and 50s, you had assholes. We just didn't have cameras and phone cameras and our phones go look at this asshole from 1933. Len: Yeah, definitely. Herbie: think there's a bit like, I'm sure there is, you're right about that, but it just seems like it's more like acceptable to be a fuck face now. Fuckface has become a culture. It's graduated complete fuckery. Len: Here you go. The scoby ducks and the pot face. Herbie: Goddamn yes, Scooby-Doo! Goddamn Creek Angels, Scooby-Doo, ducked in the fuck- Len: Yeah. It is. Where were they from the fuckfaces? I'd start up north there somewhere. Right. Herbie: Or the fuckface squad. Maybe, never know man. Shamus: in the mythical land of central Jersey. Herbie: We still reside in South Jersey. So we got a little bit of fuckery, but not a lot of certain areas got fuck faces. And, you know, of course, in our area, we got Creek Angels and scoby ducks. Goddamn Creek. Len: I'm Yeah, some of them. If you've never seen a Creek Angel, just go diamond him. You'll see him. ⁓ Herbie: They're hanging out! We will don't worry, everyone's still like these guys are talking about Creek Angels all the goddamn time. We will get to that episode. Don't worry. It's a long story. There's a lot of things that. There's a lot of moving parts of that in the tale of the Creek Angels and scoby ducks and skunk cabbage. Len: Yeah. ⁓ ⁓ yeah. Hahaha. Herbie: But like, if you could go to like another concert, like, ⁓ like, like your one ultimate concert that you didn't get to go to that you would love to do, what would it be? Len: tell you, here's the truth story. I had tickets for Pink Floyd's The Wall. First time ever playing in the United States was at Madison Square Garden. Had tickets for that. Purchased tickets for it. The guy had the tickets. I don't want to mention your name, asshole. But we went over the day of the concert, getting the tickets. He was going with us and all. Shamus: You had tickets for that? Len: getting the tickets. I think they're probably $25, $30. Damn. know, whenever to get the ticket, comes out, gives me, I had two tickets, one for me and one for Kim. Comes out and gives me 200 bucks. What's this? I sold the tickets, man. I made out good, didn't I? ⁓ my God. fucking dickhead. ⁓ my God, want to kill What the shit? Yeah. man. He's like, what? I said I wanted to go to the concert, I really don't care how much money man. Shamus: If I wanted $200, I would have went to work today. Len: Yeah, but I think I'd be one I'd yeah That was the first very first appearance in United States was it Madison I had tickets for yep Shamus: I can Herbie: That's yeah, that's Oh my god. All right, well, you know what? Not for nothing. We might have it like after this episode. You have to talk about that That is very upsetting. ⁓ Len: God from the neighborhood. Herbie: Probably whatever listeners right now, I'm like, damn, fuck me! Len: I don't think he's a listener. don't think he's a listener. He's not cool. He's not cool. Herbie: That guy is a f*** Shamus: Okay. Len: That was unreal. ⁓ my God. was heartbroken. was so... Herbie: That is the grand king of fuckery right there, man. Jesus Christ. Len: And I was after I saw Floyd too, you know, I wouldn't have been my first Floyd kind of play. Yeah. Yeah. ⁓ Herbie: God, is... Man, I didn't know that, man. I'm so... Exactly, how the hell are you still a happy guy, Len: Ha ha ha. Shamus: Was there anybody you haven't seen that you would have liked to have seen? Because you said you saw Floyd. Yeah. But is there anybody you never saw that you would have liked to Len: a lot, you know, I mean, I saw a lot. Bob Seeger, I never saw him for what reason? I have no idea why. I guess maybe he didn't tour that much or something. Because I know I would have seen him. So I'm figuring maybe he wasn't torn. Yeah, I love to see him Zeppelin had tickets for Zeppelin when What's the name? Sun died. They were. Herbie: See you. Shamus: Very underrated. He was a good Len: playing the vet, believe it was the vet or Jeff came maybe I think it was the vet they were scheduled to play. His son died like two days before the concert and I had tickets for that I still got tickets for that I saved the tickets I saved a lot of my concert tickets a lot of them. Shamus: Yeah. Herbie: That's the thing I'm missing about that. Shamus: That's another thing that gets lost in. Yeah. With technology now, there's no more ticket stuff. Yeah. Little print on your phone. Yeah. That kind of sucks. But there is a company that sucks. If you go online and Google it, there's a company where you scan your thing. Yeah. Scan it. And then they send you an old school, you know, concert. Yeah. Presents, you know. Yeah. Right. So you can still have a maid, but it just kind of sucks that you just don't have like. Len: Yeah. Exactly. got a photo album for. concert shirts. got a lot of concert shirts from back in the day and all. ⁓ Shamus: How much were those back? ⁓ Yeah, that's not from the dude out in the parking lot. That's from inside. Len: I'm in there. Yeah. Herbie: Goddamn, yeah, you're not getting those from the Burlington Center Bowl. Shamus: I went to Iron Maiden, not this October, the last October, last time I heard down and I would stop. was like, man, I got to get a maiden shirt because those things are iconic. Yeah. Like fucking like seventy five hours for a small. I was like. And I'm a two XL to do the math. Yeah. Len: ⁓ man! Yeah Herbie: I'm buy six of them and stitch them together. Len: And so we had a venue right close to us to over there where the joint bases are used to be called the satellite. It was a bar and they were bringing big name bands there. I saw Steppenwolf there. Really? Yeah. So Steppenwolf there. Springsteen played there. I mean, Foghatt played there. Twisted Sister played there. There's so many people that they had their big over a body with joint bases there in Brightstown. Yeah. Shamus: Hell yeah! I've heard of that! Herbie: Where the hell was this at? Shamus: I've heard of it. just never. Len: Yeah, I don't even think the building's there anymore. It used to be like an old bowling alley. And then the guy bought it and made it into a venue. It probably helped maybe a thousand people. Herbie: How 80s would that be? You're sitting there like going out for, you know, bowling that night and all of a sudden Twisted Sisters there like, come on! Right. Yeah. ⁓ Shamus: That's quiet. Yeah. Len: Yeah, yeah, yeah. A German Shepherd sitting there for his bouncers. Yeah, guys. Yeah. German Shepard shot out fog, had speakers from his office, told him to turn it down. They didn't turn it down. Shot a gun from his office, shot their speakers out. He didn't fuck around. Yeah. Herbie: That's how you manage a job. Shamus: the jersey way right? Herbie: ⁓ There's no problems after that, man. Can I talk to your manager? None of that bullshit. Len: Yeah, but you'd be out at night at a bar or something somebody. Oh, you didn't know I foghats playing over there at satellite. No, time is it? It's only eight o'clock. Let's I go until 10. Perfect. Let's go. Was I'm telling you, that's why I said me I grew up in the greatest time. Shamus: Man, that would have been awesome. Herbie: In my case, I was there like Twista Sisters playing, I'm like, I love Quiet Right. Len: laughter ⁓ Shamus: Well, the Starlin ballroom is like that, but I mean, they have big names come in. But like when they have like the smaller stuff, they just let you know, it's just like a bar area. But they do have some big names come through there, man. Len: Trust me, this place wasn't fancy at all either. You know, it was like a dive ballroom. Yeah. ⁓ yeah, without a doubt. Yeah. Herbie: back in the Shamus: Those are best places. Herbie: I remember like back in the day, like the Pontiac and. That's not. Yeah, it's all just moseyed on in, man, and then Maynard's out there on the stage on the Pontiac just wailing. Well, you imagine that, Yeah, God. Shamus: I mean, how often I've never been to it, but I mean, how often does Bruce Springsteen just walk into the stone pony and just play? So. Herbie: In the Len: Yeah. Herbie: Especially a lot of those bars and clubs in Philly, they're not that big. like the stage is like, you know, it's right there. He's like, know, Maynard's like standing like three feet from you, you know? Len: Yeah. Shamus: That's how Starlin is, man. We went to go see Ace Freely. And like literally from me to you. I was just like, holy smoke. That's crazy. Len: You Herbie: That is man, that's just that that's just like put you in all that's the thing that I miss about the ticket stubs, because even if you went through the whole thing and you like, say, years later, you go through your album and you look at that like a certain ticket stub, that whole memory of that. Len: I'm right back. Yeah. yeah. Yeah. Shamus: That's why that ticket at Madison Square Garden was worth way more than 200 bucks Len: Hell yeah. ⁓ Herbie: Yeah, we gotta find this guy. Jesus. Shamus: ⁓ I don't need to I'm here to make some memories. Len: I'm a huge Floyd fan too. I waited and waited for that concert, just not the concert, the album to be played for the first time in America. With my eight track. I had to record a boy track. I could record it. I recorded it right over the, off of the radio, right to when they track tape, man. You know, that's how big I was into it. Trying to guess the names of the songs and shit. What did they say the name of the song was? I look back on that now and said, mother, did they kill the bomb? What? What was I on before? Shamus: gonna say doing the psychedelics before the concert. Len: Right? Yeah. Shamus: Yeah, there's a cup. There's a ton of people I'd love to have seen back then. Yeah. I mean, you catch them when they're a little bit older. They just don't have that. I mean, they're still good, but they just don't have that. Herbie: the energy. Len: like to see Hendrix, but I'm one really like a big Hendrix freak or fan or anything, you know. Shamus: I like some of his stuff. like I'm like it's the same thing with what's his face. Like I never really got it like Prince an amazing guitar player. His 80s stuff is pretty good, but like I never really got into him until like he did the best Super Bowl halftime. ⁓ And then I was that caught my attention. And then when he did that, the Harrison. benefit when he did that solo on my guitar gently. I was like, so then I started, I was like, I gotta catch this guy next time that he passed away. Len: Yeah, right. ⁓ Herbie: concerts were like incredible like it only that for me I thought for me Prince was like a modern day composer because the guy just played every goddamn in wrote all of his music he was just a front man a stage man it was just he was he was a complete package you know it was like Mozart out there just doing his whole thing man Len: ⁓ yeah. Shamus: I think what fucked me up was Purple Rain. I saw it. Yeah. When you're a kid, you're kind of like, this guy? It's almost like the monkey. Yeah. Is this guy an actor? Is he, you know, is he a musician? Like, what the fuck is going on? then you heard like some of the stuff but like the stuff that he really rips on. Petty was another one. Tom Petty. Yeah. Started getting into him. I always like some of the stuff, but that was like when Wallfowers came out, I was like, man, this guy's, know. Yeah. Len: Yeah. ⁓ Yeah. Yeah Shamus: when I was in high school and I was like, got to go see this guy. And he literally came to Philly and I was like, I'll catch him next time. Three weeks after that, he passed away and I was like, yeah. Herbie: Yeah. Live life without regrets, man. Just keep doing it. Yeah. And plus, only that too, Uncle Len. Like, you know, you're doing all this stuff going to the concerts like you're not hurting nobody. You just write party and live, and life and music. Shamus: Amen. Len: the groups, the bands and shit. That's why I paid at the money, believe it or not. They're all getting ripped off by their agents and everything. I the moon man. anymore. Shamus: Hell yeah. Herbie: Why we f***ing yuck away? I'm sure man, back then I'm, yeah. Shamus: Yeah, the music industry. Mm-hmm. Herbie: That's why we love you Uncle Len, you're one of the go- Len: Yeah, I support my music. Shamus: Well, like I said, we've talked about him before. He, he mentioned something about a drive-through car wash. Herbie: Yeah. Len: Yeah, I got two of them now Shamus: Yeah, that really exists. Herbie: I like, I went with him. went on a beer run and I was like, holy shit. He's like, you don't have to get out the car. was like, what the you mean? Really? Len: They come out, take your order right there. Herbie: was cool looking man. was nice. Yeah, was just cool. Shamus: Now, where does the car wash part come into it? Herbie: It was, think. Len: It was a converted car wash into a liquor store. Shamus: ⁓ okay. Now I got you. I got you. That's fucking awesome. Len: Where you drive through and it's all lined with all cabinets with beers and then they got all the liquors and ice and cups if you want them. Wow! Herbie: man, Chris Field, Maryland, Shamus: Yeah. Len: I drive my own motor there one day, Really? If I hadn't been drinking, I probably would have without a doubt. I have one or two, too many. Herbie: got lost. shortcut through the woods and I'm like, God damn it, we're on the lingo. Len: Come on, you can it. Hey, hey, you can do it. Hey, I'm all right with you. Shamus: I wasn't shimmed up, I'm Herbie: Yeah, dude. telling you clearly because we still like when I have the first time I went down to Crisfield, Maryland, where we had the house, it was just because it was just it was him, the rest of the family partying, crabbing Doug. Len: Yeah, Bonky. Yeah, bonky. Herbie: Yeah, man. Actually, tell us about Bunky and Doug, man. Len: Yeah. Doug Doug was a, you saw the movie sling blade, right? Yeah. I've that Doug was Carl. Yeah. A lot bigger. Probably a lot dumber. Stronger. Yeah. But kind heart and all. Yeah. He was, was tripped. I met him. He got, when I first bought the house, it's like two feet high. I'm on two acres of property. You know, he came walking up, knock on my door. Hey, Shamus: Yeah. Yeah. Len: Can I cut your grass for you? I'm gonna cut your grass for you. Like, who are you? I'm just going, I'm gonna cut your grass for you. He loved cutting the grass. That old beat up lawn mower smoking like crazy and shit. Like, whatever man. said, go ahead if you want to. I knew there ain't no way he's gonna be able to do it, you know? So he's out there just doing it and doing it doing it. So I mean, I gotta stop this guy, you know? So I invited him up to the house of the porch and. Became friends with him after that, you know? Now he's always there. ⁓ he's at my house. ⁓ here we go. You know, but yeah. ⁓ He told me he's like, he said, know there's something wrong with me. says, cause I was in, I spent time in the hospital. said, yeah, how much time? And he was like, ⁓ I think it was like four years younger than me. And at that time I was like 55 or whatever. He 51. He said, well, I got put in there. I was 12 years old and I got out about two, three years ago. Like, what? like, what happened, Doug? I'm like, what happened, Doug? And he's like, well, this boy, you know, he always be picking on me. And, you know, I just had enough of it. ⁓ So I just one day had enough of it. And I just grabbed him and he put his hands out like around, like he was grabbing somebody's throat. Shamus: Holy smokes! Len: going through all the actions and making all the faces and I just squeezed. And I squeezed. He said, no, I didn't mean to do it, but I killed the kid. I was like, oh, sure. said, well, don't let me get you mad, He said, ah, Mr. Leonard. goes out there and down south, it's Mr. Leonard, Kim, all that. I would never hurt you. Thank God, Herbie: He was a big guy. would always talk like, hey. Len: Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Herbie: But he was, when I first met him, I was like, this guy's great, man. He was just sweet. Len: got a cigarette. Herbie: You take him to McDonald's again. I'm a cheeseburger man. That's it. You're best friends forever. Len: Yeah. I sold it about two years ago. I mean, we had good times there and all and it just started fading away. It's, you know, time to get rid of it. Yeah. Shamus: You still have that house? Yeah. Well, I mean, interest change, you know, you got grandkids now stuff. There's a bunch of what to. Len: time where we haven't been down there in a year or so. It's like, you know, that's too much. You don't stay with the house. It's going to fall down. Oh, I did. Shamus: Absolutely. Herbie: You actually did a lot of work on there too. There was a lot of like we were down there was like we're there for like a couple days. It was great. Shamus: Yeah. Len: Almost 3000 square foot house, two acres of property. Stole it, man. Stole that bitch. They won it 9,900 for it. 9,900. The reorder took me for a ride though. Did me wrong, so it cost me 15,000 for it. Shamus: Hey Yeah. Yeah, I never got a chance to get down there. Yeah, I was always like in the military or whatever. Len: and Herbie: You could take the golf cart down to the docks and just get bushels and bushels. Len: Yeah, man, yeah, doctor right at end of my road there. Oh, yeah Herbie: That's when the myth of the legend of Kirby buckets, you my alt my my crabbing alter ego was born Len: Kirby Bucca's ⁓ Shamus: I've seen a teepee before. Herbie: They actually had a guy stuck up there. Len: Yeah, he had no Indian carb and everything. Shamus: ⁓ yeah Herbie: I brought the whole thing. I had the headdress and everything, man. I was like costume. It was great. Then I had I set up the teepee. And the only thing is have like the flap type stuff. And Uncle Lowe was like, it's not a bad idea to sleep out there. We've got snakes and all this stuff out here. I was like, yeah, I don't really have like any zippers or anyone feel like sleeping with none of that crap. I sleep in the house. God damn it. I you could sleep now. It's sitting there drinking beers and I look like one of the dudes from the village people at the big. Len: ⁓ Yeah, right. Yeah. Herbie: I had like the big headdress on like eating crabs and stuff. That was great. Len: You walk through the house, you're stepping over everybody sleeping. ⁓ Herbie: to you. Shamus: That's a staple of the McWike McWilliams. Yeah. Oh, yeah. At the pig roast and all that stuff. Wake up and you're just like, who are these people? Herbie: The whole house, dude, you know, it's like a huge party going everywhere. Len: Yeah, that's good time. We didn't do a pig down there, did we? No, we. Herbie: Dude, there were so much crabs and stuff like that. It was just like, shh. Shamus: Yeah, when you're down in Maryland, you gotta do some stand. Herbie: Crabbing it up like crazy man. Uncle lens just like shucking you some bitches and just using hand line Len: The Curb F***ers! Herbie: Like, the hell is this crap? Even have like me like my own hand lines, I think like a piece of wood and all that crap like some string and car. Carve Kirby Buckethead and left it in the shed, man. That was like I don't even reply to anything else. I wasn't even herby that week and I was Kirby Buckethead. Len: Kirby Buckethead ⁓ Herbie: Yeah, yeah. mean, yeah. And you're right. Just like the make money. was like, know, Len: Bob, his family down there. Caroline Mark Kirby. John John. Now rolling out income by my whole family. Herbie: The Shamus: Yeah Herbie: The other half of his family lives down on Chris Field and stuff anyway, so it was just like... Len: Yeah, yeah, we had a bunch of family that lived there. Hell yeah. Herbie: It was like, go crap and down the street, going in town, go crabbing. It was like it was a whole crap. Len: literally drive through liquor store. They all know it's by name by the time. Shamus: Yeah. ⁓ yeah, I definitely figured that Herbie: But we were talking about before in like the first, the beginning episode like that. Maybe that idea might fly through Jersey. I don't know. I was saying the same thing. Len: it. Shamus: Like it might fly here in Medford, but that's going on a cams in their train. I mean, you probably saw meth and you know, Len: I'm to beer. Herbie: You know, I'm doing that when that idea is not going to go in Shark Tank for South Jersey. Shamus: So besides working, what do you got planned for this summer? Len: ⁓ shit, nothing. ⁓ Shamus: Alright. Herbie: Good for you. Sometimes no plan is the best plan. But that's normally how a lot of parties and stuff happen anyway, man. No. But a beer in my hand will say, well, we'll come up with the idea later. Right. Len: Yeah exactly, yeah. Right on. Shamus: This is no bullshit. We're up at Bob's, the old house, the big house. Yeah. All thought any mills trail or whatever it was. Yeah. And it's like Sunday and he just happened to stop by. Tom stops by little Tommy's up and we're all down in the basement. And next thing you know, somebody picks up an instrument or people show up. There's like 30, 40 of us in the basement just hanging out like just randomly. Nobody just not a party. My brother calls. Bob's house is like before cell phones were prevalent. And he was like, you know, well, first he thought it was little Bobby. So big Bob Ants phone is a glow. My brother's like, hey, shame is here. He's like, who's this? And my brother's like, this guy has been kicking your ass for the last 15 years. You little fucking bug. Bob's like, I think I think you want to talk to my son. on. I'm like, what did you do? Asshole. He was like, I think I just told Mr. McQueen. So Bob's like, you know, time to come up. That's how Bob. Len: Someone was like... What was that? ⁓ Yeah. Shamus: I was like, on up, man. So I give him the address and my brother shows up and my brother's like, I'm really sorry. He's like, I don't worry about it. So he's like, come on down and get a beer. And my brother came around like the steps and there's the outside bar with the little. Yeah. My brother's looking and he peeks in and there's like 40 of us just. So we start drinking and at the end of the night, you know, me, my brother getting ready to leave and Bob's like, hey, man, next time we have a party, you should swing by. My brother's like, what the fuck was this? Yeah. He like, this was Sunday. This is and was like, yeah, man, this is nothing compared to shit that goes. What a full band playing right now. And this isn't a party. This is fucking Tuesday Herbie: Yeah. I love it, man. Like I've lived there for days, man. I was just like, go home and shower real quick and new change of clothes. Come on back. Shamus: ⁓ that was my vacation pick at work. Yeah. And I the pickers was going down. I'd show up on Thursday. We'd set up tents and stuff to pick with him and we'd start doing that. And, you know, Friday was more set up and all that stuff. Saturday was a picker. Sunday was clean up. Monday was more clean up. And then I finally got my car and went home. Yeah. Well, like I there for five days. Len: ⁓ yeah. Herbie: Secondly, the cleanup days were also the party days as well. There's pig left. Shamus: Out. ⁓ Len: A lot of party days are there. Shamus: That was like the fee like everybody thought we I'm not going there man. They're gonna put you to work and shit But what people don't realize that was like the VIP people. Yeah, yeah Every times on Saturday. I was like, I can't even drink anymore. Yeah, the party just started. I was like I'm good I need water Len: . What ⁓ yeah. Herbie: And remember I took like a back I had Len: There's usually one or two people that happen to every time too. ⁓ absolutely. It catches up to you. ⁓ yeah. You start off like crazy. Yeah, yeah, drink, drink, drink. Shamus: But what pisses me off is at the time I was like right out of the military, I was in great shape, I'm like 25, 26 years old. I was like, man, I need water. And he would walk by like. Len: I'm like, here's a f***er! Herbie: Yeah. Len: Yeah. Shamus: Hey man, you want to tampon with that? Len: A lot of practice takes a lot of practice. ⁓ Herbie: I love that stuff, Shamus: Yeah, yeah. Herbie: Matter of fact, like I think how did you how did you guys first meet? it was this the moment? Shamus: Well, Bobby, when I was like, well, I don't know. He wasn't with us with that. first moved to Jersey in Riverside. Big Bob Terry and Little Bobby lived up the street from me on Hooker Street. Right. And we became friends and they would have parties at the house. And that's where I first met. But I was like eight, nine years old. Right. then those guys were always like my second family. Yeah. Like Bob and Terry and stuff. So when they moved to Southampton and they started building the house like that summer, I would go up there like every weekend or whatever I could. And like me and Bobby were gophers. Hey, go to the truck and get some nails or hey, go get me a hammer. Go get me this tool. And, know, they paid us. then, you know, one of the first times I ever threw up was we were up there on the weekend helping these guys out. And Tom was like, hey, man, go to the truck and get my cigarettes. We go to the truck and there's no cigarettes in there. Bullshit. I'm like me and Bob are like, hey, man. He was like, and you know, Bobby, Bobby's always scheming. So Bobby's like. And Tom, if there's no cigarettes in that truck, you give us a beer. And Tom's like, you're on. But if there is my my cigarettes in a truck, you guys work for free for a month like that. There's no cigarettes in here. go grab a beer. So we grab two Bud Cains. Yeah. Man, shit. I forgot I went home. And my mom's like, hey, you're. Uncle Charlie is coming to pick you up and you're going you're ice skating tonight at the University of Penn. And I was like. I got a quick shower, man. Next thing I'm on the ice, I'm like. It just yacked all over the ice universe because that bud just did not sit right, Len: Then the pack of cigarettes fell out of your pocket or what? No. The cigarette made you ⁓ sick. ⁓ Herbie: You have the singer to you have the Shamus: Was Smoking but Bobby did Bobby was the one that got me smoking and then he fucking quit so I ended up smoking like another five six years That's disgusting man. I'm like That sent me into the Vincent down diner cuz your bitch ass didn't want to get caught at the cigarette Len: Yeah Herbie: You're one that got me in the- Len: Yeah. Herbie: Remember they had to do a cigarette machine thing. Remember the cigarette machines we had? Len: I know where this still one is. The golden nugget tyrant. Really? Shamus: Is it still a change machine or can you use a credit card on it? Len: No change yet. Wow. Money man. Yeah. Outside Bertel in there. Yeah. Yep. Yeah. They got a, they got like Slim Jim shit like that. And they're down the bottom of her cigarette. But it's tokens. You got to tokens at the bar. The bar. Herbie: in Berlin, Shamus: It's gonna say you it. You know how many we have to have a pocket of change this big by cigarettes now like $12 ⁓ Len: Yeah. You're like there you buy tokens at the bar and put them in and yeah. Yeah. That's the only one I know of. wait a minute. I'll just see that turn around. Holy shit. ⁓ Shamus: ⁓ boi- I haven't seen one of those in forever. Yeah. But I think I quit smoking when they were like eight bucks a pack and I was like, man, fuck this. Yeah. Matter of fact, we went to go see Motley Crue and Alice Cooper up in Madison Square Garden in 2017. And we stopped at like one of the stores around Madison Square Garden. And at that time, I was like, hey, how much are a of Marlboro's? And he was just like 1250. And I was like, you're like, no, I'm good. Len: and Herbie: And that's when I quit. Shamus: one because you know, like sometimes you have a couple of beers and I was like, yeah, let me get a cigarette. think I'm not paying 12 hours so can smoke one of these and just end up giving the rest to a bum. I'm good. Damn fucking cigarette machine. That's crazy. Yeah, Bobby sent me to the downtown. Yeah, I quit. Yeah, right. Yeah, right. Now you've been smoking since I've known you. ⁓ I kind of miss it sometimes. Herbie: like that's when I quit. Len: Unfortunately, you know, Shamus: It just got too expensive. Len: Yeah. ⁓ hell yeah, man. Crazy expensive. 14 something I think it is. Shamus: Yeah, like I never There's a picture of me somewhere around I don't know where it's at, but it's in this house somewhere. There's a picture of me outside like the gas station at the PX back in like 97 or 98 at Fort Benning. In the background it said cigarettes were 212 and a gallon of gas was 97 cent like there's a sign there. I was like. Len: Man! Have a good day today, man. Shamus: Yep, I remember filling my tank and going, $20? That's ridiculous. Len: Oh yeah. I remember cigarettes go up to a dollar. No, no way. Yeah. Dollar. Yeah. They, they're like 70 cents, you know, 65 cents, whatever. Down the short of vending machines were dollars. Say, who's going to pay a dollar? Get them a Hikman for 65 cents. Shamus: That's because everybody's dead. Well, that's what screws me up, too, because you walk by a soda machine now and you look and you're like, 350 for a Coke. Get the fuck out of here. Len: Yeah. Another 50 cents, you get a beer. Some places to beers. Shamus: Yeah. Well, that's what you can go to like like a concert nowadays. Like they're like $15 for a beer. Yeah, I'm like, man, this is bullshit. Len: Yeah, is. Shamus: But that's how they get you with them convenience fees and all that. Herbie: It's like $15 for a beer and $20 for a water. Len: Yeah. are you going to Shamus: Unreal. Herbie: like the lines for bathrooms and stuff like that. ⁓ it's just I don't know. I got to get some ideas for like, you know, parties and concerts for like, you know, bathrooms. I got to get like some kind of cool. I think it's something, you know, something kind of cool, man. You know, could be on Shark Tank. not. Yeah, kind of like make you be able to like be self-sufficient at a concert. You know what mean? I don't know. Shamus: Max's catheter, son. Len: people. I've got that figured out man. Yeah, we went to the Cooper River Park, right? My favorite band of all times is band, right? Yeah, band. I never got to see him. Never thought I would get to see him. But boom, all of a sudden, there they are. Cooper River Park, man. Nice. Shamus: I was gonna say, what is your favorite band? Len: With a Booker T and the MGs. I don't know if you ever heard of that. No, like blues bands and shit, you know, it was all day fair. I don't know if they did a memorial day. did. I think it was Memorial Day weekend. They would do it. But be all day fair, all different bands. And I don't remember if I was free. If it wasn't free, it was maybe five dollars to get in. But it was free for us to get in because we made the wrong turn and wound up walking backstage. It was me, me, Bob, Carol and Kim. I think that was it. Well, we were following Rita and Carol and Kim and they had it towards the backstage and we're just following them. Well, before we went, did McQueen's trick filling up milk jugs with beer and all that. Put them in back in knapsacks, know, bring your own cups, put them in knapsacks. And so this was like out in the park. So you bring a blanket, put a blanket down. We're about maybe maybe four rows of blankets from the stage back. had our set up there and all. Then it got packed, man. People rolling in, it got packed. Them were standing, right? The girls were like, I gotta pee, I gotta pee. You're in your own room, I don't have to pee. So they left to go pee. Well, they had to go all the way to the back of the venue, you know, or the grass area where Mr. Bob's were. were none up front by the stage or nothing. I look at Bob, Bob looks at me and says, I doing that shit, man. ⁓ Where's that milk jug van from? Yeah. I got it here. There we are. Dancing away. Dancing away. Right. He does his turn. ⁓ no, I did my turn first and I get to him. He did his turn. And he sets it down on the ground. Right. And then it's like intermission between bands. So everybody goes to sit down. All he goes to sit down. He accidentally kicked it. And it's be lining right before right for these people's blanket in front of us Too late man, it's something that's wrong right to the blanket Yes, they didn't they never found out man Shamus: Yes. Herbie: Why is the way you smell like pee? Hey, Bernard, pissed on the blanket over... Like, is it like, pull this shit off, man? Like one of their brothers. You got like this freaking plastic milk jug hanging off your junk. Dance around like it's going to count. Len: Two. You mean, there's strangers like two feet on either side. Shamus: He doesn't realize he's closest to the stage and the stage is open. He's on a guitar part, like, what the fuck? Len: Hey, me milk jug over here. This guy needs another milk jug down there. Herbie: This one's full. Shamus: next album is called pissing in the milk jug. Len: I was a full jug when we drank it, but we couldn't ever fill it up pissing it. So once somewhere else. Shamus: Fucking Paul. Herbie: Yeah, we actually went on those people's blankets. Len: That's alright. That was funny, man was like, what are doing? are doing? said, don't know, just fucking leave it, man. What you going to say? Excuse me, but you're sitting in our piss. Exactly. Shamus: didn't do it physically, but we kind of just pissed on your butt. Len: Yeah, she just pissed on the ground after all that. That was like, please don't get the jugs mixed up because we still had all the jugs. Drink the warm beer. ⁓ Herbie: God damn like all like the bull. This Shamus: was gonna say, just feel the side of it. If it's warm, don't touch it. Herbie: This is the regular Budweiser and this is the warm Bud Light. Shamus: Let it not let it. Herbie: but like what's been filled with kidneys. Len: There's another story happened at that concert, but Bob, have to tell you that cause it involves him. don't know if he wants it out there. He decides he wants it out there. If he ever gets on your show, you asked him about this. yeah. yeah. Don't you already know the milk jug story? There's another one. Herbie: Wait. milk jugs. Len: there. Shamus: Well, what's weird is, like you said, you guys end up back. It always seems when Rita and Bob, like there was a picture for years at the bar downstairs at the house up in whatever in the mills road. It's like a picture of Rita, Bob and Bruce Hornsby. Yeah. Yeah. What's the story? It like, hey, maybe we just kind of ran into him walking around. You know, we just want those guys. I don't know how they get past. Len: There's ways, man. Shamus: I mean back in those days. Yeah, but now it's kind of Herbie: I was like, I think that was like a little private concert type thing. Len: They tickets on WMMR or something like that. Shamus: No, no, We're just hanging out back. Herbie: Yeah, they were like. Len: He got cheap music signed by him and all. Shamus: Yeah, because I know security is ridiculous because it was ario speed wagon sticks and journey. We were at that concert and a buddy of mine got sick, which is the gayest thing ever. How the fuck you get drunk and sick at a journey concert? anyway. We got on like we were just walking, we got on his elevator. My buddy just hit a button and the next thing you know, we're like in the basement of the Wells Fargo's there. We're walking. It's like all these limos and roadies are pushing big. Len: Laughter ⁓ Shamus: It's like walking and my buddy's blue like he's like yeah, and that's when somebody was just like we need a medic Herbie: We're looking for the first date. Shamus: But I think we hit the wrong button, dude. And like, and like, I'm like, where the hell we at? They're like, that's the entrance to the stage area. ⁓ Herbie: How great is that? Shamus: Far as I can f- I got a Len: Penicillin shot. Shamus: We were kind of hoping like they were going to lay him down like the medics and everybody would be so concentrated on him. We were just kind of like slide off and they're like, no, man, you guys medics are upstairs. Yeah. But yeah, was pretty cool. Len: I had a pretty good system for getting seats, you know, we'd always buy our tickets, you know, never really bought front row or nothing like that. But we get there early, you know, scope out the areas in front, you see a couple of empty seats, keep an eye on nobody sitting there. All right, here we go, man. Before the concert even started. Go down, me and Kim will go down, go to the right to the gate to get down to that row. Saying Kim away. I'll be holding two beers, right? Because I go, what do need? You can't be standing here. So I'm just waiting on my wife, man. Well, where are sitting? I said, right down. You know, I'm holding beers like it's right down there pointing with my head. Oh yeah. Okay. Uh, well, what are you doing? I said, I'm waiting on my wife. She's got tickets. All right. Well, uh, go ahead. Go down. You can go down. You said, well, when my wife gets here, I I'll show her where you're at. So, all right. I go down, get in the seat. She come up. He's right down there. Go in. Boom. Shamus: Genius. Herbie: Damn. Len: Then every time I get up to get another beer or something, I'd say to the guy, Hey man, just get another beer again. know, so, and every concert of work because it was never the same guy. Herbie: Yeah, see your face. Shamus: We would always send, if we have really good tickets and there were seats around us and I knew buddies were up, I'd be like, yo man, meet me in the bathroom. I was like, give me your ticket. And we start filling them in. Len: Right. Yeah. That works too. Yeah. One concert in the spectrum. I forget who it was. It may have been Ted and New York, but, just during the same hockey season law in the spectrum when they used to have the cages hanging over the camera cages, I sat and one of them watch concert. I climbed over the rail set and then watch concert. Me and Ronnie home with me. He's like, what's this? And let's have her jump right over and then he's. Shamus: That's awesome. Len: Fuck man, if he's doing it, I'm doing it. Jump right over in, nobody bothered us at all. Shamus: Yeah, that's what my uncle said a couple times if you got close enough to like the press boxes, if nobody was in there during the concert, they would just push each other up in there. Yeah. Right in there and watch it right. Yeah. Yeah, nobody cared as long as you weren't. Len: Exactly, yeah. And they didn't bother you. Yeah. If you're in there, you're hollering and screaming like, Hey, look at me! Then you're done. Shamus: Yeah, that's that's another thing. Society nowadays, everybody's like looking at me back in the day. We're like, you know, I'm not fucking. Len: Yeah, shut up man. Sit down, behave yourself. Shamus: Yeah. Herbie: And don't risk getting kicked out going through all that. All right. Uncle Uncle lens like trick, trick dressing and climbing over like scaffolding and. Goddamn obstacle courses. Len: Yeah, hell yeah Shamus: Most bang for your buck man best seats in the house Yeah, and it's always a great story to tell later on your grandkids and all that stuff They're probably like that one who what Len: Something different. Yeah. They used to have cameras and then things that hang over. believe that they did. were like a mini scaffold hangover and the cameraman used to be in them before technology and all, Shamus: Before them overhead cameras and cable So you want to give a shout out to the family before we wrap this up? ⁓ Len: Hey, Kim, you listening, Kim? Jen, Jackie, Kim? Yeah, I know Kimmy's a listener. Jen's a listener, even Neil. Neil listens, he follows you guys all time too. Yeah. Shamus: Yeah, he was one of the guys that asked to be on, but like I said, we're going to get to him, but it's just going to be a little while. Len: Right on man, you got a lot of people on, yeah. Herbie: ⁓ even like all that. See that that board right there. That's yeah. Yeah. It's like. Shamus: That's that's incoming people. Len: I feel privileged, man, I'll tell you Herbie: Like when we started this, was like we had it. already had a list of like 30 people and it was like, yeah, you. Len: Awesome man, awesome. that's what it means lot to me. It means a lot, man. Shamus: Leonard, man. Crazy. But like, yeah, when we sat down to talk about it, we were just like Bob, Len, Tom, like they all have like such unique, different personalities. They all work the same job for a while, but then they all want to separate. So like their life story, like what they do for a living and stuff is definitely something people need to hear. Yeah. And the fact that you guys have always treated I know you with so much like it's like I said, you guys were always like my second family. Yeah. Right. There's a. Herbie: I Len: ⁓ And it takes something to get into our family. You be special man. ⁓ absolutely. You gotta be special you know that. Shamus: Yeah, I was never Bobby's friend. I was always, Hey, hey, ⁓ Herbie: It's basically times like Bobby was wasn't hanging out or he'd run into Sam Ash to get like some more lights or something. Shamus: I hang out with these dudes more than I hang out with Bobby. And they're way more fun. Len: Yeah. Yeah. ⁓ Shamus: Like Bobby's and get Bobby's having to get like fuck that man. I'm out with Len Tom and Bob Len: Like I mentioned earlier in show, need these youngins out there to look for, you know, summertime work. Shamus: How can I reach it Len? I know you have a Instagram page. Yeah Len: You can call me. I'll give my phone number out if that's alright. Yeah, it's 609-784-6862. ⁓ Shamus: Yeah, just ask for land if you're looking for a job or if you need any work done around your house or any of that stuff. These guys are more than capable of handling any job you have for him. Len: Absolutely. Herbie: Say pork roll egg and cheese sent you and has local land Shamus: Yeah, if you actually do call mention the show and Len: Yeah, I'll buy you a sandwich. Shamus: Get you a pork roll egg and cheese. All right, everybody, we're going to wrap this up. As always, my name is Seamus. Herbie: I Herbie. Len: Uncle Len, special guest. Shamus: Everybody have a great night and remember get your dog sprayed and neutered control the pet population. We're out of here Herbie: Love you Uncle Len. ⁓ Len: All right.