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Are You Living on the Surface? Discover the Deeper Faith God Is Calling You To With Amy Loflin · She Speaks Life - Christian Women, Strengthen Your Faith, Bible Study, Grow Spiritually In Christ

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  Hey, welcome back to She Speaks Live podcast and today's
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  powerful conversation. I am joined by author and
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  speaker Amy Loughlin. This episode is an invitation to
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  move us beyond the surface level faith into a deeper, more
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  intimate relationship with God. Amy shared that through
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  intentional time and scripture, fasting, journaling, and
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  immersing herself in the stories of Jesus, she discovered how
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  deeply transcended informative it is.
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  When we stop just reading the Word and begin experiencing it
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  personally together. We talk about really what keeps
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  us stuck in the surface level faith, the things that hinder us
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  from a deeper intimacy with God, and why busyness, fear and
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  security and doubt can keep us from transformation.
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  This conversation will encourage you to release the distractions,
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  lies, and fears that keep you floating on the surface and
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  instead step into the deep places God is calling us into.
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  There's always more of His presence, more revelation and
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  more transformation available to us through His Word.
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  And if you've been craving A deeper connection with God, this
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  episode will stir your hunger for his presence and remind you
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  that your story matters because of the faithfulness of Jesus
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  woven throughout it. So if you're ready, I'm ready.
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  Here's my guest, Amy Loughlin. Hi, Amy, welcome to She speaks
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  Live. I am so excited you are here
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  going to give us an amazing message for us today.
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  Thank you. Thank you so much just for
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  welcoming me into your space and into your community.
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  And I'm excited, yeah. Yes, I'm looking forward to this
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  message. You had written a book called A
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  Story Worth Living. Reclaim your confidence, purpose
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  and peace. And I love anything with story,
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  especially God's stories and how he has worked in and through our
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  lives with his faithfulness. And it's worth sharing and
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  obviously those podcasts called She Speaks Life.
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  We are speaking life and testimonies about what God has
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  done in our life. And that's exactly what your
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  book is all about. And so it's really taking which
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  I absolutely love. This is the heartbeat of myself
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  to you is just taking that head knowledge of the word of God and
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  and bringing it to more of a heart encounter with the word
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  and in your relationship with the Lord and I love how you
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  showed like the small steps can lead to having a big faith and I
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  absolutely love everything about this.
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  And before we dive more into it. I always ask my guests what is a
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  scripture verse that is resonating with you and why?
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  Great. OK, I love diving in and
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  starting with Scripture, so I'd love to choose one verse and
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  just saturate myself in it each week.
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  And so I'm just going to use the one that I've been spending time
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  with this week and it's one of my favorites.
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  It's a go to, and it's Romans 828.
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  I am convinced that nothing can separate us from God's love.
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  Neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither fears
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  for today nor our worries about tomorrow, not even the powers of
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  hell can separate us from God's love.
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  And so you asked why I think I was drawn to this verse for this
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  week. For one, I love the confidence
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  in that verse that I am convinced it just leaves no room
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  for doubt, that there's absolutely nothing that can
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  separate us from the love of God.
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  And I think so many of us, especially those worries about
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  tomorrow, the fears for today, whatever that might look like,
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  even when those creep in and try to distract us, it still cannot
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  separate us that we are, we are absolutely one and united with
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  Christ. And there's nothing that can
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  happen that can separate that so.
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  Yes, it's so good. And the love of God reminds me
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  of who I am, my identity in him. You know, I'm loved so much by
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  him and so valuable. And it makes you know that
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  you're seen by him. And I mean, there's all kinds of
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  facets with it. So I, I love what it does for
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  you. And it's so true that it just
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  releases that fear and that doubt and distraction, knowing
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  how deeply loved you are and how hard it is actually to wrap your
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  whole mind, you know, about. Yeah.
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  Of how much he loves us. So it's just, it's Infinity.
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  It's incredible how it's there's no limits to how much he loves
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  us. And so I remember somebody
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  saying he can't for the first time I heard this.
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  And I know many of us have heard this already, but you know, when
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  you're a baby Christian just starting out, someone said he
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  can't love you any less or any more than how he loves you, you
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  now. And I'm like, wow, so there's
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  not this. I'm trying to get his, you know,
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  more of his approve his love, you know, and, and it's, it's
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  already there how much he loves us.
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  And it's so reassuring. So OK, so let's dive into you,
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  yes, your message and your book and what really inspired you to
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  write this book Story worth living.
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  Yeah, okay. Well, it's a little bit of a
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  long story, so I'll I'll give you a short version of it.
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  It it really was birth from an experience that I had about four
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  years ago now. I was on staff with our church
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  and life was great from all tents and purposes.
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  I was checking all the boxes, I was reading my Bible, I was
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  praying, I was giving, I was in a small group, I was
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  volunteering as well as that was literally my career.
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  And yet I felt spiritually dry. I felt like I had, and dry might
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  be a little too hard of a word. I felt like I had definitely
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  plateaued and I just felt this this pull, this calling to peel
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  back some layers and that I didn't even know we're there,
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  that God was just really wooing me for more a more intimate
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  relationship and a more intimate connection with him.
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  And that sensation. I just, it wasn't anything that
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  I could satisfy from some of the things that I would was normally
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  doing. And he was just pursuing me for
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  a few weeks. And then finally we had we had a
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  snow day. We had a little bit of a snow in
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  North Carolina. And when we get any kind of
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  snow, everything shuts down. And so I sat down with my
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  journal for a couple of days and just wrote out this.
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  It ended up I called it a pilgrimage and it was a it was
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  very much based and inspired by the first couple of verses in
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  Hebrews. And I'll paraphrase that was,
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  you know, throw off anything that hinders run the race that
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  is set before us, fixing your eyes on Jesus, the author and
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  perfector of of your faith. And so I was asking myself, how
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  do I fix my eyes on Jesus? And because I had read the Bible
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  cover to cover before and but I knew that was not what I was
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  wanting to do again or or even being called to do again.
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  And so I ended up writing out this.
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  It was about six or seven months of this process that I wanted to
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  dedicate my side, myself and my time to and with him.
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  And so for each month, I dedicated and focused on one
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  story of Scripture. It was from the New Testament.
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  It was an encounter that Jesus had with one person, though I
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  chose seven of them, wrote them down, and then I also actually
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  paired them with some type of release, some type of, you know,
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  going back to again to Hebrews, throw off anything that hinders
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  that kept sticking with me too. I thought, OK, what is hindering
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  me? Why have I plateaued?
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  Is there something that I need to release so that I can dig
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  deeper and, and find that connection that I know is there
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  for me? And so it, it was basically some
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  very unique types of fasting that I would pair with each of
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  these stories. And for example, there was one
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  month I, I fasted from comfort and so I slept on the floor for
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  a month. There was another month I did a
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  unique food fast, another month that I facet from vanity.
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  I, I didn't wear makeup, I didn't fix my hair.
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  You know, I was just trying to be very plain.
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  And so there were just unique ways that really, really shook
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  me out of my comfort zone. And then again, and I was
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  pairing them with these stories and just immersing myself in
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  these scenes with Jesus. And then journaling.
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  I just, yeah, journaled my heart out and wrote down anything and
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  everything that I felt like I was learning through that
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  experience. You know, the, the things that
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  were challenging me and pushing me to grow, the things that I
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  was learning about my identity and his identity that that were
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  just catching me off guard. That things that I, I just never
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  realized before. And so one of those stories that
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  I chose to really spend some time with is the story of the
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  bleeding woman that's found in, well, she's found in 3-3
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  different gospels, but I focused mostly on the one in Luke, Luke
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  chapter 8. And this is the woman I'm
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  you're, I'm sure you're familiar, the the incredible
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  woman who had been afflicted for 12 years and then reached out in
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  desperation and touched the cloak of Jesus and received
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  immediate healing. And honestly, Jamie, that was a
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  story I had heard several times. I'd read it several times
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  throughout my life. But it wasn't until I really
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  spent that intentional time imagining myself in the scene,
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  imagining myself and her position, doing my own research
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  about the culture and the themes and the nuances of the day that
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  helped me to understand her experience to a deeper level,
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  that it, it just really resonated with me and absolutely
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  transformed my heart in so many different ways.
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  And so then later it it ended up turning into this book.
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  Yes, no, I absolutely love it. I was able to read some of it
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  and I love how you bring us in to her perspective and what she
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  was feeling and it's it really makes things that encounter that
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  we're talking about that heart encounter with the Lord and
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  bringing us on this personal level.
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  I do this by personalizing scripture verse.
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  I, I bring myself in a scripture verse by putting my name or I or
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  me and making it personal. And a lot of times as you're
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  speaking, actually, I, I'm thinking about myself and how
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  I'm reading the Bible. And it's so true.
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  How many times I actually placed myself there, like as if I'm,
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  you know, an actual eyewitness there in the scene and how much
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  more of that story just gets colored and comes alive and, and
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  it hits you in a personal way. So I absolutely love the, the
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  structure of this book. It's really neat.
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  And so one of the phrases you say is deep calls to deep.
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  So a lot of us feel like it's easier to be staying on the
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  surface with our faith. So other than immersing
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  ourselves in the Word, what helps us to dive deeper into a
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  connection with God? But also, why do we stay in this
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  kind of safe zone? I should say it just the surface
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  level and we don't end up getting deeper.
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  Because I remember there was a moment just like you where it
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  was like I wanted more of God there.
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  I mean, he was pursuing my heart and I'm pursuing him.
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  And so I love hearing that you had that same experience.
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  Yeah, great. I think, I think it's different
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  for everyone. Of course it's easy for us to
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  stay on the surface for so many reasons.
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  And and I'm a visual, a very visual person.
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  And of course, the deep cost to deep is from David and one of
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  his Psalms and and that that intimate soul level call or pull
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  that is can only be fulfilled by connecting with God at his soul
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  level. And I just, I love that imagery
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  so much. And so when I thought about that
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  and I sat with that verse in particular for a bit, like you
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  were saying, like, what, what is it?
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  Why is God calling me into a deeper connection with him?
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  And again, what's been hindering me?
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  And so then I started thinking about pole noodles.
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  You know how you might grasp, right?
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  I love I read this in your book and I wanted to talk about this,
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  so I'm so glad you're starting to talk.
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  About the pool noodles. Yeah, yeah, because.
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  I, you know, I, when I have these visual things in my mind,
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  it's easier for me to grasp it and to understand a little bit
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  more. But you know, you imagine if
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  you're, if you want to go swimming and you just have this
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  arm full of pool noodles and you try to dive deep, you're not
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  going to be able to that it's going to resist and you're going
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  to be constantly pushed back up to the surface.
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  And so it I think we can sit and just ponder a bit like what are
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  our pool noodles? What are the things that are
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  keeping us on that surface level when we know we are designed for
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  more. We know that God did not send
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  his son for us to stay on the surface.
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  He did not go to the cross for us to stay on the surface.
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  And so I think it takes us to that intentionality to sit in
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  his presence and to really be brave enough to examine what are
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  the things in my heart or in my life and my schedule that is
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  keeping me on the surface. And I think, you know, one of
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  them is, is as simple as busyness.
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  You know, I know I've heard, I've heard you talk about that
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  on your podcast too. It's just, it's so easy for us
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  to compartmentalize everything and to think, OK, this is my
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  time with God and maybe it's even 5 minutes.
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  I would rather have 5 deep minutes with him than an hour of
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  shallow with him. And so, but again, I, I think
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  our schedule, it's busyness. It's I think sometimes another
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  pole noodle for us. It's, it's fear.
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  It's that fear of if I do dive deep with him, what might get
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  exposed that I need to deal with.
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  And that's an alleged that's a legitimate fear.
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  And usually we already know the answer if we're if we're pausing
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  and asking that question. And so if you, if you consider
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  that pull noodle, then you, you start, at least I know I started
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  to examine another pull noodle of doubt.
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  It's self doubt. It's that doubt of am I capable?
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  Am I worth it? Am I valuable enough to him to
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  peel back some of those layers and get even deeper, more
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  intimate with him? And I think there's also there's
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  some God doubt is, is he safe? Does he love me enough?
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  Is he going to meet me there if I dive in and and really try to
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  connect with him, could there be a fear there that that he's not
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  going to meet me there? He's going to meet other people
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  because they're more spiritual or they're more worth it or he
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  loves them more. And there's those little bitty
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  fears and insecurities and lies that I believe keep us on that
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  surface level. Yeah, that's good.
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  I I look at all those hindrances and the root of it all are just
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  enemy attacks. Absolutely.
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  Spirit of fear, enemy attack, doubt.
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  If you're doubting, then there's the faith, isn't there?
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  Right. And so it ain't.
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  Let's see. Oh, the busyness that you said.
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  Right. And this is interesting because
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  I found that you could be doing good things like you were doing
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  good things at your church. You're serving the Lord.
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  But what was missing was just the being with him and taking
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  that time out in that quiet time because we could get so busy and
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  doing those good things in the ministry or your local church or
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  community or even PTA like the school.
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  Your child's involved and they're all good things, but
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  what the enemy does is he'll he'll use not necessarily bad
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  things, but he could use the good things to keep you away
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  from God's best. So true.
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  God's better, right? So, you know, just being
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  cautiously aware of that will help and being intentional.
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  When I, when I heard that years ago, that totally changed my way
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  because I'm naturally a doer, You know, I, I love that verse
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  and James, don't be just hearers, but be doers of the
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  word, You know, don't just only be hearers of the word, but be
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  doers. And so I love how can we apply
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  scripture to our lives? How can we walk it, live it,
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  speak it, do it, all of that. So I have to be careful that I'm
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  not, you know, constantly doing this doing and not putting in
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  the time to actually being. Absolutely, yeah.
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  You don't want to be so wrapped up and doing for him that you're
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  not spending that time with him and that it's not then your your
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  actions are coming from a dry place and they're not out of
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  that abundance of that time with him.
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  It's a danger zone because in your heart posture you're
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  getting burnt out because it's not in the right posture, you
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  know, or you, you sway from serving the Lord to now you're
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  serving man. And it's, yeah, it could go
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  through a spiral. And then you added the pool
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  noodle of anger and insecurity and misconception.
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  So I think you know anger again. You know we're talking about the
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  bad anger, not righteous anger. Right.
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  Yeah, the anger that will lead to sin, right?
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  And and the insecurity. So all those things, just really
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  the root of it all is just the enemy coming at you.
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  It is because you know he's not threatened.
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  The enemy is not threatened when we stay on the surface.
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  He's not frightened by our lukewarm Christianity.
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  He's he is perfectly at peace. So just leave us floating on our
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  pole noodles because he knows that our heart transformation
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  doesn't actually take root until we go deeper.
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  That's right, until we are able to release some of those pole
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  noodles, some of the lies, some of the emotions, some of the
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  pain that may be keeping us from really connecting with our
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  Heavenly Father in a way that is transformative and not just for
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  information. Yes, yes, absolutely.
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  And my password said a while back, you know, it's the when
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  you get the revelation of the word, that's where the
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  transformation happens. That's when you know your life
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  has changed is when you really get the revelation.
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  How do we get the revelation by, you know, really soaking
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  ourselves. Like you were saying you
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  meditated on these passages, you know, meditate on these
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  scriptures and let it really take root in your life.
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  And we do that revelation by acting it out, you know, living
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  it out, walking it out, not just read it for information,
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  actually apply it to our lives. But when we, when we get these
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  insights and the understanding and this wisdom from the word,
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  just like your story with the woman with the issue of blood
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  just came alive to you. You've read that scripture over
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  and over again. Happens to me too.
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  I'll read something, I'm like, Oh my gosh, I've never seen it
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  in this way. I've never seen this story in
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  this way. But that's how the Holy Spirit
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  speaks to us through his Word and and we get that revelation
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  now, that revelation, we're having this relationship with
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  this fellowship. With God, right?
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  Yes. And it just ignites that holy
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  hunger. Yes.
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  That just is isn't that strange type of hunger that never fully
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  gets satisfied because the more you feed it, the more you want
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  it. And and it is it's I love that.
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  I love that word from your pastor at the with the
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  revelation because it's, it really is.
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  It's, it's, it's feels so divine, so spiritually LED that
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  it, it's like this light bulb just goes off and you think,
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  I've never seen it this way before and it's just such a
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  gift. Yeah, Yeah, it really is.
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  So what would you like this listener to know?
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  Anything more from this book that you would like to share
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  that I haven't asked you? Sure.
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  Oh well, there's so many pieces I think would love for each and
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  every reader when when they close that last page is to
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  realize kind of like what we've been talking about that that
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  Scripture is so infinite. And I never would have thought
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  taking these six or 7-8 verses out of Luke, this one small
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  short encounter that really was an interruption of what Jesus
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  was doing it because he was on his way to to heal another one
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  of his daughters when she interrupted him.
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  Is that there's so much more there.
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  There's always more there. And the more we do take this
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  intentional time to just sit and, and go deeper, the more
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  we're going to find that those revelations that are about his
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  character and nature, but also about our own and out about our
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  identity. You know, there's this one scene
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  or one piece of the scene when she has reached out and touched
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  him. And then Luke tells us that she
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  knows she is immediately healed. And Jesus turns around and says,
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  who touched me? And there's this awkward pause,
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  you know, in, in the scene and, and everyone's kind of looking
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  around because he tells us that the crowd is very thick.
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  And Peter, of course, because Peter's always the one that's
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  going to blur the things out for us.
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  Thank goodness. He says, well, Lord, everyone is
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  pushing in on you. Many people are touching you.
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  And Jesus, his response was, no, someone deliberately touched me
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  because I felt healing power go out of me.
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  And again, when you sit in that scene, it's when it occurred to
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  me that there were people that were touching him but were not
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  changed. And I had to sit and ask myself,
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  am I living in close proximity to Jesus or am I reaching out in
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  desperation for transformation? And they're two very different
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  things. And it's kind of like what you
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  were saying earlier, are we, are we going through the motions?
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  Are we doing all the right things?
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  But yet are we not being changed at our core more and more into
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  the image of Jesus along the way?
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  And if we're not, that's a great revelation to have.
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  We have to give ourselves grace and be kind to ourselves and
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  just simply take some of those questions into the presence of
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  God and ask Him to make us so sensitive to our own
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  self-awareness. Like, OK, why am I saying yes to
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  this ask? Is this something that I feel
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  like you are calling me to do? Is this a way that you are
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  wanting me to love you and to love your Kingdom and expand
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  your name and glorify your name? Or am I doing this out of
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  obligation? Am I doing this because I'm
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  trying to please people? Am I doing this because it's is
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  it prideful and I want the recognition?
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  So it, it, it's that constant recognition and, and raising our
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  sensitivities and our awareness of his constant presence in our
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  lives, not just simply, you know, the few minutes that we
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  might try to carve out, you know, that we think this is
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  specifically the time that I have for him, but it's nonstop.
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  Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, it is non-stop.
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  It's fellowshipping with him throughout the day.
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  I I mean, I heard a while back about we received the
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  relationship with the Lord at salvation, but then there's the
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  fellowshipping. So there's a difference between
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  our relationship that we have and then the actual
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  fellowshipping with the Lord and that's when we get to know him
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  more. More is in that fellowshipping
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  with him. You know, we, we are all on a
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  journey, Yeah. And it's, it's just such a
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  delight to be able to connect with other women and hear and be
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  inspired by how God is connecting with them and hearing
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  about their own stories. And that's really, I think
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  that's what I enjoyed so much about writing this book is that
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  it really is about bringing her story to life, even though it
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  was 2000 years ago, to recognize her and see her, even though we
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  don't know her name, to give her that dignity and respect and
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  honor her story. And, you know, recognizing the
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  transformation and the healing that she received that went
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  beyond the physical. And that's one of the things
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  that that I loved about seeing in this story too, is that when
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  she received that physical healing, she received emotional
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  healing, her identity was restored.
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  She was now free for relational healing because she could be
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  welcomed back into success and back into societies because she
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  was no longer unclean. And I think the greatest message
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  from that entire story was just some of the irony that we see in
• 29:08
  the symbolism that ultimately she was eternally and
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  spiritually healed by the blood of Jesus.
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  This beautiful woman that was afflicted with this issue of
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  blood was essentially ultimately forever, eternally healed by the
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  blood of Jesus. And it just doesn't get any
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  better than that. And, and we can all connect with
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  her story and in so many different ways.
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  Yes, we've all been healed by the blood of Jesus trying to get
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  on the cross for us. So beautiful Amy.
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  Now where can everyone connect with you and get this amazing
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  book called A Story Worth Living?
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  Yes, well, A Story Worth Living is available on pretty much
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  every book site that you can think of.
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  But also my website is Echo Joy collective.com and, and so you
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  can read all about the business that I share with my friend
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  Michelle and the other things that we offer to women, but also
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  understand and and learn a little bit more about the book
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  through our landing pages there. Thank you so much, Amy, for
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  coming on here. Thank you so much.
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  Thank you so much for listening today, and I trust that God has
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  encouraged you through this story.
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  Did you know this podcast is on YouTube?
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  each episode. And For more information on this
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  ministry and to access free downloads, please visit my
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  website at jamieelizabeth.com. That's JAYME elizabeth.com.
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  And let's connect beyond this podcast by going to my Instagram
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  Until next time, my friend, I hope God reveals himself through
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  your own life story.