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Detroit Tigers All-Quarter Century Team · Tiger Territory: A Detroit Tigers Podcast

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Speaker 1: And welcome into another episode of Tiger Territory, part of
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Speaker 1: the Territory Network, a Detroit Tiger's podcast. I'm Kieren Steckley
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Speaker 1: with me as always as a man who was not
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Speaker 1: I repeat absolutely not Pat McAfee stunt double. He is
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Speaker 1: Cody Stavia. How you doing?
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Speaker 2: No comment?
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Speaker 1: Hey, look man, I'm just saying, like, you know, blond guys,
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Speaker 1: you like to work out, nothing nothing nothing, nothing wrong
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Speaker 1: with that, nothing wrong with that?
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Speaker 2: Can we can we stop the comparisons there?
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Speaker 1: I I it did occur to me that, you know,
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Speaker 1: we compliment Major League Baseball for you know a lot
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Speaker 1: of the stuff that they did during All Star Weekend.
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Speaker 1: We talked about that on our previous episode. But they
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Speaker 1: are outreaching in different ways and I do commend them
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Speaker 1: for like finding different ways to try to bring in
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Speaker 1: attention and energy to All Star weekends. So I will
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Speaker 1: say that.
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Speaker 2: Let's not all let's not use the MLB, let's not
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Speaker 2: call managers coaches. That'd be a good starting point.
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Speaker 1: There you go, Nothing needs be said, All right, guys,
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Speaker 1: This is a fun episode. This is episode that we
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Speaker 1: have been planning on doing for a while now, kind
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Speaker 1: of trying to find the right time and it felt
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Speaker 1: like All Star break was like the perfect time to
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Speaker 1: do this. And it's a little nostalgic, it's a little
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Speaker 1: bit current. We're gonna do an all quarter century team
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Speaker 1: for the Tigers. And if you're like me and you
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Speaker 1: just love diving into stats and like you know, making
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Speaker 1: arguments in your head and then countering them in your
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Speaker 1: head and then sending in the other people, and it's like,
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Speaker 1: am I wrong here? It's like I had a lot
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Speaker 1: of fun putting this team together. It is one hundred
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Speaker 1: percent debatable whether I made the right choices, but I
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Speaker 1: feel pretty good about my squad and we'll reveal that
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Speaker 1: here in a second. But first we have our our
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Speaker 1: top of the week, presented by Trackings, So All Star
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Speaker 1: Weekend Cody. All Star Week, I should say, is a
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Speaker 1: mix of current and and and reflection stuff, so this
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Speaker 1: is perfect. Riley Green is our chart topper of the week.
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Speaker 1: I know he did not do much of note in
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Speaker 1: the All Star Game, however, he is a he was
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Speaker 1: an All Star starter for the American League. When he
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Speaker 1: goes up to the plate that you know the commentators
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Speaker 1: are talking about, here's a guy who's you know, he's
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Speaker 1: an All Star last year. Starting this year, he's you know,
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Speaker 1: still twenty four years old, like smallt Seed has given
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Speaker 1: him all the love and like, and that was cool
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Speaker 1: because it's something that like we had, we have seen,
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Speaker 1: we have talked about, and here it is on the
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Speaker 1: you know, the biggest non postseason stage that the game
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Speaker 1: has that Riley Green is given these flowers. So I
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Speaker 1: kind of you know, think about history. I'm thinking about
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Speaker 1: current stuff. It's like, you know, we're day to day
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Speaker 1: in this We're thinking about it all the time. Is
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Speaker 1: there a broader perspective, Cody that we need to have
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Speaker 1: where it's like, is Riley Green again not twenty five yet?
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Speaker 1: All Star? All Star Starter? And no signs are slowing down?
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Speaker 1: Like are we seeing kind of the beginning of like
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Speaker 1: a like like a franchise, legend icon like you know,
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Speaker 1: you know, got you know, playoffs last year, off to
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Speaker 1: this great start this year, Like is this like are
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Speaker 1: we in the beginning of something? I guess is kind
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Speaker 1: of my question to you, Could it be? Should we
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Speaker 1: think about it?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, well I think it's certainly worth having that discussion.
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Speaker 1: Uh.
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Speaker 2: There is one sign of him slowing down is the
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Speaker 2: fact he is literally physically getting slower already at twenty four,
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Speaker 2: and that's what seriously like. Riley Green is a great player.
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Speaker 2: He is an All Star starter. He is one of
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Speaker 2: the best in his usition players in the American League
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Speaker 2: right now. We should not lose sight of that. At
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Speaker 2: this age. He already has a four win season under
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Speaker 2: his belt. He could have maybe a five win season
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Speaker 2: this year. We should not lose sight of that. What
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Speaker 2: he's doing. The power, that was always one question, even
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Speaker 2: when he was the top prospect in baseball. How much
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Speaker 2: power will he hit? Four in the major leagues. This
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Speaker 2: is a fifteen to twenty omer guy or thirty thirty five. Well,
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Speaker 2: he has twenty four homers at the All Star break.
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Speaker 2: He's probably going to have a thirty plus season, So
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Speaker 2: he gets really hot. I don't know, maybe he could
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Speaker 2: knock on the door of forty. It's impressive. Riley Green
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Speaker 2: is certainly could be this type of guy at the
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Speaker 2: franchise icon to put himself in that tier, probably helped
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Speaker 2: to get a contract extension to do that. I think
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Speaker 2: it's all going to come down to how he ages,
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Speaker 2: and that's where the physical component that we talked about
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Speaker 2: that a lot with Riley Green into play. Riley should
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Speaker 2: get a lot of credit. He's taken this very seriously,
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Speaker 2: although he's been kind of banged up, although he's maybe
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Speaker 2: he doesn't always look to be moving well. Although he's
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Speaker 2: moving slower, he's not at an ale stint so far
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Speaker 2: this season. He's talked a lot about diet, sleep, the
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Speaker 2: things he's doing to take all this more seriously. He
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Speaker 2: also should get big flowers for that, because I think
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Speaker 2: it's probably making a real difference if he's already a
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Speaker 2: little banged up doing all this. Imagine if he weren't
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Speaker 2: doing it, maybe he would be on the AyL. But
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Speaker 2: I think it's hard to know, given some of those concerns,
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Speaker 2: where Riley Green is at in another four years. So
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Speaker 2: I just want to say, I think jury's still out
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Speaker 2: if we're talking franchise legend status, like it's a little
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Speaker 2: early to put that on him. But at the same
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Speaker 2: time we should respect and acknowledge that he's he's done
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Speaker 2: enough to make this a conversation, right. I'm just not
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Speaker 2: ready to say definitively yes or definitively no.
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Speaker 1: Sure, And I'll kind of tie a bow on it
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Speaker 1: in this fashion. It's that if there were a checkpoint
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Speaker 1: list of how to If the end result is franchise,
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Speaker 1: I will say franchise legend. You know, you know whatever
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Speaker 1: that means in terms of his individual accolades and and
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Speaker 1: you know, status or whatever, but franchise legend. I would
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Speaker 1: think coming in here and really seeing the rebuild through
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Speaker 1: getting a couple early All Star appearances, including the starter position,
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Speaker 1: and breaking not only you know, make the postseason, you know,
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Speaker 1: break that streak, but win a postseason game, win a
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Speaker 1: postseason series, like he was integral as a part of
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Speaker 1: all of that. And then again to this point, best
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Speaker 1: record Lean's vision that like it's all everything's in front
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Speaker 1: of him in that way, the concerns you said and considerations,
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Speaker 1: I would say maybe consider rations better word than concerns.
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Speaker 1: The considerations you said are one hundred percent vallid. But
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Speaker 1: this is the path. This is the path that he
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Speaker 1: is on for sure, And I think it's sometimes it's
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Speaker 1: cool to just like recognize it in the moment as
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Speaker 1: much as you can and not think, like, why don't
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Speaker 1: we realize this? You know, back in twenty twenty five
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Speaker 1: when he was twenty four at the UH at the
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Speaker 1: All Star break, you know, like you know that kind
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Speaker 1: of thing. So that leads me to, uh, again, I'm
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Speaker 1: trying to contextualize this my pick of the Week presented
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Speaker 1: by Draft Kings Sportsbook that is going to be as
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Speaker 1: of now, the Tigers going into the second half, second half,
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Speaker 1: second half of the season to win their division is
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Speaker 1: minus three thousand. Those are doesn't take a sharp to
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Speaker 1: realize those are really really it's a heavy favorite right there,
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Speaker 1: and I believe it's it's not the top, it's among
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Speaker 1: the top of division leads in terms of odds that
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Speaker 1: that that Draft Kings is offering. And as much as
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Speaker 1: we talk about, you know, the things that are wrong
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Speaker 1: with this team and you know where they're gonna be
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Speaker 1: held back or whatever, I just wanted to bring it
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Speaker 1: back to this, like they are minus three thousand at
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Speaker 1: the at the all Star break to win the division.
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Speaker 1: It seems like a like they put themselves in a
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Speaker 1: good situation, a good cushion to be able to figure
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Speaker 1: out some of these other things that you would assume
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Speaker 1: they're at least going to be some sort of effort
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Speaker 1: to rectify. And that's like Dodger territory like that, this
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Speaker 1: like in terms of just how they are to their
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Speaker 1: Peers and their division like that is I just wanted
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Speaker 1: to staple this right here. It's like minus three thousand
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Speaker 1: win division at the All Star break is something I
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Speaker 1: never thought I would say. So that is my pick
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Speaker 1: of the week to rat Kings Tigers to win the
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Speaker 1: division minus three thousand.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not sure there's going to be a huge
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Speaker 2: return on that, giving the odds, but it makes sense.
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Speaker 2: Tigers playoff odds on Fangrafts are ninety eight point nine percent.
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Speaker 2: Their odds to win the division ninety six point six percent.
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Speaker 2: They've played at a very impressive clip and you're playing
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Speaker 2: in probably the weakest division in the league right now,
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Speaker 2: only team above five hundred. I'm curious who's going to
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Speaker 2: finish second in this division because you could talk me
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Speaker 2: into any of Twins, Royals, Guardians. I don't know. I'm
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Speaker 2: not feeling great about the Guardians. Actually, I think I
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Speaker 2: think Twins still have some juice. I'm not sure the
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Speaker 2: Royals have played their best ball either. I'm going to
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Speaker 2: be interested to see who's able to kind of take
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Speaker 2: a step up in the competitive realm here in the
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Speaker 2: second half.
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Speaker 1: For the record, I placed a wager on the Tigers
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Speaker 1: to win their division back in December and it was
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Speaker 2: All right, guys, we are about to move on here
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Speaker 1: Well, I imagine this topic Cody is gonna spark some conversations,
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Speaker 1: and I hope it does because I think there's a
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Speaker 1: lot of good cases for the Tigers All quarter Century team.
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Speaker 1: That's a weird phrase to say. Sometimes all quarters century,
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Speaker 1: you know, all course century, So obviously two thousand you know,
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Speaker 1: to present, And I'm gonna start out. I'm just gonna
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Speaker 1: start out with the guy we just talked about. Man,
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Speaker 1: did I connect these topics on purpose?
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Speaker 2: I don't know.
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Speaker 1: Maybe maybe not. But Riley Green is my starting left fielder.
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Speaker 1: Am I two ahead of myself here to put him
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Speaker 1: on the All quarter century team this early? But what
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Speaker 1: did I lay out? It's like, you know, organizational impact
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Speaker 1: and individual accolades, Like he's checked every single box you
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Speaker 1: know to this point. If you want to say, like, oh,
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Speaker 1: is it too soon? There is precedent on some of
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Speaker 1: these lists. To do this, I will remind you that
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Speaker 1: Shaquille O'Neal was on the NBA's fiftieth anniversary team despite
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Speaker 1: basically not playing in the NBA at that point. So
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Speaker 1: I don't think it's too early to say like like
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Speaker 1: this is okay. Now you can disagree, but I got
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Speaker 1: Riley Green there because he is a we'll call it
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Speaker 1: a three and a half tool asset of like real
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Speaker 1: contributions to this team with his hit power and in
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Speaker 1: fielding and which, by the way, he is a real
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Speaker 1: reason why the outfield metrics defensively are not as bad
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Speaker 1: as they could if you look at them. My position,
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Speaker 1: it's not great left field, five outs above average. Who's
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Speaker 1: your left fielder this year, Riley Green. So anyway, I
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Speaker 1: like Riley Green and left field there because he he is.
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Speaker 1: It's one of those It's one of those positions Cody
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Speaker 1: on this team that if it gets looked at in
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Speaker 1: twenty five years or what the quarter century team was
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Speaker 1: from Tiger Territory podcast, we'll be like, Wow, there's a
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Speaker 1: good move putting Riley Green on there. You know it's
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Speaker 1: gonna look better with time. Basically is what I'm saying,
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Speaker 1: so I got I got Riley Green as my left fielder,
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Speaker 1: going over to.
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Speaker 2: I don't have to be with you, Karen, and well,
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Speaker 2: I think it helps that throughout the past twenty five years,
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Speaker 2: that's all, you just had a lot of good outfielders,
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Speaker 2: not many of them have primarily played left field. I
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Speaker 2: think the Detroit Free Press on It's all quarter century
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Speaker 2: team picked Bobby Higginson in left field, but no offense,
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Speaker 2: Bobby Higginson, Riley Green has already been worth more war
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Speaker 2: And I think certainly, like if you talk about peak
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Speaker 2: like I'm gonna take Ryley Green over Bobby Higginson. You know,
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Speaker 2: you look at some of these other guys who we
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Speaker 2: are certainly going to talk about maglio jd. It's like,
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Speaker 2: I guess Nick played some left field, but you really
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Speaker 2: look at it. Who played left field for a sustained
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Speaker 2: amount of time over the past twenty five years actually
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Speaker 2: one of the weaker positions for the Tigers. And I
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Speaker 2: think that that's paved the way for a guy like
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Speaker 2: Riley Green to make it despite being very early in
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Speaker 2: his career.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, there were other considerations, like guys that had moments,
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Speaker 1: you know, Delman Young would be a movie. Want you know,
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Speaker 1: get some left field and there Justin Upton was a
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Speaker 1: guy who again had some moments, but Riley Green is
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Speaker 1: like the most consistent kind of presence on the team
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Speaker 1: and left field at playing at a high level. So
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Speaker 1: we'll speaking of Mags Maglio Ordonez is my right fielder,
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Speaker 1: Magi Ardonia. I mean you one of the things I
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Speaker 1: took in consideration I'll talk about with some other guys
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Speaker 1: is like, you know, impact and just like what they
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Speaker 1: meant to the franchise, to the fan base. Maghalil was
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Speaker 1: a combination of being like a game changer and we're
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Speaker 1: going to talk about another game changer later. Obviously a
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Speaker 1: couple of them, but like Maghalil was a game changer
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Speaker 1: in terms of franchise perceptions at that time, and he
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Speaker 1: had the moment we all know what the moment was,
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Speaker 1: sending the Tigers to the World Series. And he was
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Speaker 1: highly productive in the history of the franchise. He's thirty
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Speaker 1: fifth in just offensive war. And this is a guy that,
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Speaker 1: like you know, there are seasons where like he had
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Speaker 1: to overcome injuries and then he had like little you know,
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Speaker 1: he was productive into his thirties. There was, you know
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Speaker 1: he was. There's a Venezuelan connection there that you know
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Speaker 1: has obviously proven out for the Tigers over the years
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Speaker 1: as well. Like Maglio, Ordonez was like he had the hair,
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Speaker 1: he had the style. He caught the last out of
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Speaker 1: Justin Verlander's first career no hitter, like all these things
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Speaker 1: matter to me, and the stats back it up. And
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Speaker 1: I and I have him as my right fielder because
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Speaker 1: you can't. You can't have a team without him on it.
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Speaker 1: In my opinion, I got him there in right field.
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Speaker 2: I've played some right field Jad Martinez, even Gary Sheffield,
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Speaker 2: but I think if you look over the course of
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Speaker 2: the past twenty five who contributed to most of this franchise,
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Speaker 2: it's got to be Maglia.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And again, contributions not just on the field, are
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Speaker 1: are important. When I compiled this list, so here Cody
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Speaker 1: might be.
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Speaker 2: Who do you think you who who do you think
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Speaker 2: had the best? Who do you think has had the
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Speaker 2: most productive season in terms of war for the Tigers
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Speaker 2: over the past twenty five years?
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Speaker 1: I think it was probably Curtis Granderson and that when
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Speaker 1: he had that like twenty twenty twenty season, No.
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Speaker 2: No, I was dragging one longer than supposing. Number one
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Speaker 2: is Miguel Cabrett. You know number two is it's not
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Speaker 2: Kurtis Grinderchon, it's Maglio Ordonias was worth eight war for
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Speaker 2: the Tigers in two thousand and seven. Pretty good season
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Speaker 2: and easy to forget that he was that good that year.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely so. Moving on to center field, perhaps my
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Speaker 1: most controversial selection and maybe a little biased, but that's okay.
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Speaker 1: Austin Jackson I have as the center fielder of the
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Speaker 1: All quarter Century team. Now, Curtis Granderson was my favorite
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Speaker 1: player when I was a youth. I just tried to
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Speaker 1: that style in the outfield and all that stuff. Left
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Speaker 1: handed bat always tried to, you know, mimic left handed batters.
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Speaker 1: He was a little short that like I wanted to.
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Speaker 1: I wanted a little bit more defensive war. Austin Jackson's
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Speaker 1: defensive war for the Tigers six point three, Curtis Granderson
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Speaker 1: four point nine. I know it's not everything, but Austin
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Speaker 1: Jackson was also a staple of more consistent playoff teams,
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Speaker 1: you know LCS, World Series LCS. And he also had
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Speaker 1: a moment. Now, Curtis Grandson obviously had moments too, but
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Speaker 1: Austin Jackson's catch in the non perfect perfect game is
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Speaker 1: a play that will live forever. That's important to me
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Speaker 1: as well. And the war with the Tigers is very close.
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Speaker 1: Like Curtis Grandson was a twenty one point two war
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Speaker 1: player for the Tigers, Austin Jackson twenty point two, Like
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Speaker 1: it's right there. I gave the edge to a guy
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Speaker 1: who was a vital cog in a better era of
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Speaker 1: Tigers baseball. And also like I have his phone number.
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Speaker 1: We text every now and then, so that might have
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Speaker 1: played a part in it as well. I got Austin
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Speaker 1: Jackson over Curtis Granderson as my center fielder for the
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Speaker 1: All Courter entry team.
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Speaker 2: I think I let's talk to one of these guys
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Speaker 2: about moving the left, Like Ajax, Curtis didn't really care
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Speaker 2: who you guys, One of y'all go play left?
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Speaker 1: What about uh? What about maglio and left and move
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Speaker 1: and put one of them right and that whole game.
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Speaker 2: Probably that's actually a much better configuration. That's sure somewhere
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Speaker 2: A J. Hinch has already had that thought.
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Speaker 1: And then that there and there is that is a
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Speaker 1: legit no fly zone.
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Speaker 2: I like it. Sign me up.
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Speaker 1: So there there's your first alternative to the team. So yeah, Oustin.
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Speaker 1: This was the hardest one because I mean, I love
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Speaker 1: Curtis Granson as a kid. I know Austin Jackson, He's
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Speaker 1: a great guy. But I just had to give to
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Speaker 1: the edge to the better era of Tigers baseball when
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Speaker 1: the numbers were so similar. And also you know the
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Speaker 1: Galarraga play as well.
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna say we had the more iconic moment A Jacks.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, probably a Jacks. All right, let's go around the
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Speaker 1: diamond now at third base.
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Speaker 2: What we're just starting in strange places?
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Speaker 1: But okay, well I'm looking. I'm looking at it because
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Speaker 1: you start no, no, no, I because I wrote this
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Speaker 1: down like positionally, like on the field. So I'm going
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Speaker 1: left to right, except I wanted to add a little
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Speaker 1: anticipation for center field because I knew like that was
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Speaker 1: gonna be uh, that was gonna be the more controversial one.
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Speaker 2: There, understand your left right center?
20:27
Speaker 1: Okay, I have I mean, you can go on YouTube.
20:29
Speaker 1: I have it right here like a diamond. So we start.
20:32
Speaker 1: So I'm starting at third base, left to right. Is
20:34
Speaker 1: that is that crazy?
20:37
Speaker 2: Yes?
20:37
Speaker 1: But okay, okay, we'll start a catcher, Cody catcher.
20:42
Speaker 2: There is an order in the world.
20:43
Speaker 1: All right, catcher was an easy one for a lot
20:46
Speaker 1: of the stuff that I said about Maglio Ordonez applies
20:49
Speaker 1: to ped Rodriguez, like help change perceptions of the franchise
20:53
Speaker 1: was a huge gamble. And I went and actually looked
20:55
Speaker 1: at some old periodicals. There's a word you haven't said
20:57
Speaker 1: in a while, some old periodicals. Yeah, the pulse from
21:01
Speaker 1: from from that era, and it was like, all right, cool.
21:04
Speaker 1: The Tigers signed Pudge to more years and more money
21:07
Speaker 1: than anybody was gonna give him, Like, who do you
21:10
Speaker 1: freaking do? But he represented the you know, the team?
21:13
Speaker 1: Well he was how many All Stars was he with
21:15
Speaker 1: the Tiger that wrote down he was a four time
21:17
Speaker 1: All Star fourteen point three war you know, which is
21:21
Speaker 1: not over the top more than Abila was as a catcher,
21:25
Speaker 1: But like Pudge just meant more to the team obviously,
21:31
Speaker 1: and like like that, there's a turning point of the
21:36
Speaker 1: franchise that has given you know, adults like you know,
21:40
Speaker 1: if you were adult in the early two thousands, like
21:42
Speaker 1: you got to go back to the glory days of
21:44
Speaker 1: the eighties, if you were like me where you didn't
21:46
Speaker 1: know anything that get That was the first time, we
21:48
Speaker 1: were thought, okay, like the Tigers are like a legitimate franchise.
21:52
Speaker 1: They just signed Pudge and and all the moves that
21:55
Speaker 1: you know came after that don't happen without this guy there.
21:58
Speaker 1: You know, home run derby when All Star Game was
22:01
Speaker 1: at America Park, like all these things. Easy decision, even
22:04
Speaker 1: though I want to give credit to alex Avila, like
22:06
Speaker 1: he did have himself a really nice career as a
22:09
Speaker 1: Tigers backstuff, But it's Pudge, just gotta.
22:11
Speaker 2: Be Yeah, I think Pudge is the right choice. But
22:15
Speaker 2: only the only thing I was going to bring up.
22:17
Speaker 2: You already said we should not forget how close Alexavilla
22:21
Speaker 2: actually makes this. Alex Avila had the best peak season
22:24
Speaker 2: in terms of F four at five wins above replacement
22:27
Speaker 2: in twenty eleven. Pudge's best season as a Tiger was
22:31
Speaker 2: two thousand and four four point seven. More. Over the
22:35
Speaker 2: course of his Tiger's career, Alexavilla slightly better offensive player.
22:39
Speaker 2: Want to wait, WRC plus Pudge was one oh one.
22:43
Speaker 2: Pudge does have the edge defensively, but alex was a
22:48
Speaker 2: pretty solid defender too. So if we can carry backup catcher,
22:53
Speaker 2: it's Alexavilla there.
22:56
Speaker 1: You go shout out shadow Alex Man does get on TV,
23:00
Speaker 1: hope that a media career takes off to all right,
23:03
Speaker 1: what position would you like to do, Cody? But what
23:05
Speaker 1: position makes most sense to you? I went with Prince Fielder. Obviously,
23:13
Speaker 1: there are a couple options depending on how you wanted
23:15
Speaker 1: to configure, you know, this lineup, but I went with
23:19
Speaker 1: Prince Fielder. Obviously, you have the World Series appearance, you
23:24
Speaker 1: have the you know, should have won the World Series,
23:27
Speaker 1: but Cys appearance in there, and he represented the Tigers
23:31
Speaker 1: at the home run derby, like hey, and like things
23:33
Speaker 1: that you know kind of mattered, you know how much.
23:36
Speaker 1: But I think that that that's part of it. He was, uh,
23:40
Speaker 1: you know, the war is not going to strike you,
23:42
Speaker 1: but he was a two time All Star. It the
23:45
Speaker 1: trade that you know, got Ian Kinsler into the franchise.
23:49
Speaker 1: Ian Kinsler was a really good player, if you want
23:51
Speaker 1: to say, that's part of Prince Fielder's legacies that you're
23:53
Speaker 1: able to get a really good player in return once
23:56
Speaker 1: you know that window kind of you know, kind of
24:00
Speaker 1: kind of close. There's a lot of different options. But again,
24:05
Speaker 1: signing up Prince Fielder, while analytically and and and some
24:10
Speaker 1: like in some like higher sense of baseball wasn't necessarily
24:14
Speaker 1: like the greatest value. It did ignite the fan base
24:19
Speaker 1: into being like, like, all right, things are like really
24:21
Speaker 1: really serious. Like they went out and they got Prince
24:23
Speaker 1: Fielder and he was productive and he was a good
24:27
Speaker 1: you know, representative of the franchise and was part of
24:31
Speaker 1: some legendary teams. So I went with Princefielder. Obviously there's
24:34
Speaker 1: a couple of options there, but I went with Prince
24:36
Speaker 1: Fielder for that one.
24:42
Speaker 2: It's almost like there's another notable player who you must
24:45
Speaker 2: have somewhere else in this lineup.
24:48
Speaker 1: There is there is, so you want me to go there.
24:52
Speaker 2: So then in that case, there's not that much no
24:55
Speaker 2: because we're going in order. But there's really not much
24:59
Speaker 2: contra or she if you're taking a certain other guy
25:02
Speaker 2: out of the equation for first base.
25:05
Speaker 1: Yeah, so.
25:08
Speaker 2: Second base, which comes after first.
25:11
Speaker 1: At the fourth position, I went with Placidio Polanco, who
25:20
Speaker 1: also has the moment with him jumping off the Maglio's
25:23
Speaker 1: home run with the turtle with the turtleneck, uh you know,
25:26
Speaker 1: ski mask or whatever on like jumping up and down
25:29
Speaker 1: around the bases like that's that's an iconic look. And
25:32
Speaker 1: this guy was really freaking good man. And and like
25:38
Speaker 1: when you when you talk about players whose like careers
25:41
Speaker 1: you think, well age gracefully, you hope that they age
25:46
Speaker 1: as gracefully as Polanco because he was a productive player
25:50
Speaker 1: all the way until the end, not not just with
25:52
Speaker 1: the Tigers, but all the way until the end. He
25:54
Speaker 1: is eleventh all time in franchise history and defensive war. Uh,
26:00
Speaker 1: So that gives you an idea he was. Also he
26:03
Speaker 1: also made an All Star team as well and was
26:06
Speaker 1: a stabilizing force on the six World Series team. So
26:10
Speaker 1: I didn't have to give this I give I gave
26:12
Speaker 1: it a decent amount of thought with Ian Kinsler as
26:14
Speaker 1: I talked about, but Polanco was worth more war and
26:19
Speaker 1: they both had an All Star team and Planco was
26:21
Speaker 1: on a World Series team, so that, uh that that
26:24
Speaker 1: was a sign factor there.
26:26
Speaker 2: Yeah, Planco certainly are worthy of Canada. I kind of
26:29
Speaker 2: I kind of want Ian Kinsler though, So then it's
26:31
Speaker 2: like who who had the most value as a Tiger
26:35
Speaker 2: or who was on the most iconic Tigers teams? Like
26:37
Speaker 2: that's where Polonco gets the edge. But if I'm just
26:41
Speaker 2: trying to build a team of the best Tigers of
26:44
Speaker 2: the past quarter century, I would go Ian Kinsler.
26:48
Speaker 1: Okay, I mean that's fair. That's uh. I'm not going
26:52
Speaker 1: to push back on on your thought process there, all right?
26:56
Speaker 1: Third base?
26:58
Speaker 2: This was debatable too, because whoever back in the day
27:02
Speaker 2: decided third should be five and short shops should be six?
27:06
Speaker 2: That was a take back. Then it seems like the
27:09
Speaker 2: baseball world has just gone away from like going third
27:14
Speaker 2: base then shortstop. I think everyone's kind of agreed that
27:16
Speaker 2: that is silly. But out of reverence for order here,
27:21
Speaker 2: I guess since third base is five, we'll do third base.
27:25
Speaker 1: All right, And that is one Brandon Inch. So I
27:29
Speaker 1: just talked about defensive war and franchise history. Number one
27:34
Speaker 1: is Alan Trammel. That's, you know, not necessarily surprising. Number
27:37
Speaker 1: two was Lou Whitaker. Again not necessarily surprising. Number three
27:42
Speaker 1: is Brandon Ninch. Brandon inj was the third best defensive
27:48
Speaker 1: War player in franchise history. Obviously a member of the
27:52
Speaker 1: six World Series team and a career that lasted longer
27:56
Speaker 1: than you remember, I think, and also made one All
28:00
Speaker 1: Star team as well in two thousand and nine if
28:03
Speaker 1: memory serves correct. And another guy that you were just
28:08
Speaker 1: you loved rooting for because he was a part of
28:11
Speaker 1: those terrible teams and he got to see the fruits
28:15
Speaker 1: of his labor really and get to near the mountaintop
28:20
Speaker 1: in two thousand and six. A flashy player, you know,
28:24
Speaker 1: there's a homegrown element to him as well. Like you,
28:29
Speaker 1: there's the oh AJ would have loved him with the
28:32
Speaker 1: versatility in the field. There's a lot to love about
28:37
Speaker 1: Brandon Ine and a guy that I hope he knows
28:39
Speaker 1: how appreciated he is by Tigers fans.
28:43
Speaker 2: Yeah, injures the answer here. If only Nick Castiano's weren't
28:46
Speaker 2: one of the worst third basemen defensively, ever, maybe you
28:50
Speaker 2: could try to talk your way into a slot for
28:53
Speaker 2: Nick here. But I think injures the answer. I was
28:56
Speaker 2: reminded Karen on Monday. I was like, you know, the
29:01
Speaker 2: first four guys in the Home Run Derby just killed it,
29:03
Speaker 2: And I was like, whatever happened to guys just doing
29:05
Speaker 2: terrible in the Home run Derby. My favorite player growing
29:08
Speaker 2: up was Chipper Jones. He sucked at the Home Run
29:10
Speaker 2: Derby and I started looking at worst Home Run Derby performances.
29:13
Speaker 2: Brandon Ninja's zero in two thousand and eight, might be
29:16
Speaker 2: one of the worst ever. And it's like, oh yeah,
29:19
Speaker 2: Brandon ninj was in a home run derby. I don't
29:21
Speaker 2: know why, but that's kind of cool for Brandon Ninch.
29:24
Speaker 1: Well. Yeah, and also, like you know, probably the reason
29:28
Speaker 1: why people that they're unsure whether they want to do it,
29:31
Speaker 1: they usually don't because they don't want to be remembered
29:35
Speaker 1: that way. Hey man, it happened, No.
29:37
Speaker 2: One remembers it.
29:38
Speaker 1: Everyone's forgotten it, except years later. On an Old Court
29:42
Speaker 1: Century podcast, Go into Shortstop, I had carlos Kian. This
29:50
Speaker 1: one was another one that was that was kind of
29:53
Speaker 1: tough because, like you know, I want to give credit
29:57
Speaker 1: to like Jose Glacias, who was really fun to watch
30:00
Speaker 1: and partially had a you know, he had a moment
30:04
Speaker 1: with Maggie with the three thousand hit. Obviously he was
30:06
Speaker 1: playing for the Rockies, but he had a moment there
30:08
Speaker 1: that was kind of cool as well. And then Johnny Ferralta, man, hey,
30:14
Speaker 1: the guy was you know, made two All Star teams.
30:17
Speaker 1: He was really good and also a better defensive player
30:20
Speaker 1: than I think he ever got credit for. But Karlskian
30:23
Speaker 1: was a guy again who was with the team for
30:26
Speaker 1: a lot of years. He has a moment against Jared
30:28
Speaker 1: Weaver that that gets I don't know, like twelve times
30:32
Speaker 1: a year, gets kind of viral on Twitter again and
30:37
Speaker 1: two All Star teams eighteen point six war saw the
30:42
Speaker 1: team rise with him, and then again a guy another
30:45
Speaker 1: guy who you know lasted longer than maybe you remember
30:48
Speaker 1: and was still a productive member of the Tigers. I
30:51
Speaker 1: have him as the Tigers shortstop all fur a century team.
31:00
Speaker 2: And ok, I was considered having a take similar to
31:03
Speaker 2: the Kinsler one, which is like Gian deserves it, But
31:05
Speaker 2: if you're just trying to build the best roster, would
31:09
Speaker 2: you go Johnny Tarlta? And that's like I think, even
31:11
Speaker 2: for for someone like me who didn't grow up a
31:14
Speaker 2: Tigers fan, EA need to forget how good Carlos Gian was.
31:19
Speaker 2: He had a pair of five war seasons. He had
31:22
Speaker 2: a better peak than Johnny Perlta did, especially as a Tiger.
31:26
Speaker 2: He is third in the past twenty five years. Win's
31:29
Speaker 2: above replacement. Carlos Gien is third among all Tigers. He's
31:34
Speaker 2: the guy at short sup.
31:36
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31:39
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Speaker 1: All right coming back here, let's go. Let's go with
32:52
Speaker 1: the starting pitchers. So I did. I had three at
32:55
Speaker 1: the top, and then there's other ones that we can consider.
32:58
Speaker 1: It's kind of a taste thing, but I wanted to
32:59
Speaker 1: do the three off the top to give them the
33:02
Speaker 1: credit they deserve. Verlander school Ball sureser. I don't really
33:09
Speaker 1: know if there's anything that needs to be said h
33:11
Speaker 1: after that. Actually, sure what that? Do you think Verlander
33:15
Speaker 1: is gonna wear? Do you think he's ever been asked
33:16
Speaker 1: about that in the Hall of Fame anyway?
33:19
Speaker 2: I've never heard him ask Land.
33:24
Speaker 1: Three guys that in their in their own way to
33:28
Speaker 1: find you know, in school Bole's case, defindan like Tigers
33:34
Speaker 1: baseball from a pitching perspective. Sure, sure all of them
33:38
Speaker 1: have moments. We don't have to relay them. I like
33:40
Speaker 1: we all know what those moments were. Uh, it was
33:42
Speaker 1: a tough day. It was a tough day for Tigers
33:45
Speaker 1: fans when you realize Sure's there wasn't going to re sign.
33:48
Speaker 1: And then obviously it was like a gloomy time when
33:51
Speaker 1: it was like all right, trade Verlander and and like
33:55
Speaker 1: we're officially closing, you know, closing, closing this chapter and
34:00
Speaker 1: in Tiger's history, and we'll see how that ends up
34:03
Speaker 1: with school. Wel but those three guys awards, accolades, attitude,
34:08
Speaker 1: faces of the game, like everything, like it's gonna We're
34:12
Speaker 1: gonna look back in like years and be like man,
34:14
Speaker 1: Tigers has some really good pitching in the first quarter
34:17
Speaker 1: quarter part of the century. Other names and consideration, like
34:22
Speaker 1: David Price had his time, Rick Porcello had his time,
34:25
Speaker 1: Annabal Sanchez was a valuable member of the pitching staff.
34:30
Speaker 1: Doug Fister, like pitching has always been something that the
34:35
Speaker 1: Tigers have probably themselves on and like I would put
34:38
Speaker 1: these three cody up against any three uh in a
34:42
Speaker 1: for for a U for a franchise's quarter centry team.
34:46
Speaker 2: I don't think there's a franchise that can straight up
34:49
Speaker 2: beat it. Uh tring to think of someone, you know
34:54
Speaker 2: who who actually could. No one's really coming to mind.
34:58
Speaker 2: I guess you could go mad Excla, then Smoltz all
35:01
Speaker 2: a little bit past their peaks. Red Sox have had
35:05
Speaker 2: some guys, I mean Yankees, but Verlander's sure for school.
35:09
Speaker 2: These are three horses, These are three legit guys. Just
35:12
Speaker 2: looking at the numbers real quick when we debate Schoogle
35:15
Speaker 2: versus Erlander, it is kind of funny to see how
35:18
Speaker 2: the first three four years of Verlander's career, where he
35:22
Speaker 2: was a really good guy player but still kind of
35:24
Speaker 2: learning to pitch in the big leagues, way down his
35:27
Speaker 2: career numbers as a Tiger a little bit. He had
35:29
Speaker 2: a three four nine er Derek Scoobl's era as a
35:33
Speaker 2: Tiger's three point one seven. Verlander had his peak, of course,
35:38
Speaker 2: very difficult for anyone in the history of the game
35:41
Speaker 2: to knock off. But even given schoogles like Rough twenty
35:44
Speaker 2: twenty and Up and Down twenty twenty one, he has
35:48
Speaker 2: the better overall er at least and more strikeouts per
35:52
Speaker 2: nine as a Tiger. But I think the real conversation
35:55
Speaker 2: is what what if we expanded this to include a
35:57
Speaker 2: fourth and fifth starter? If you go by war or,
36:00
Speaker 2: the answers would be Jerry Bonderman and Rick Porcello. But
36:04
Speaker 2: I think Annabal Sanchez has a real case. Let's not
36:07
Speaker 2: forget how good Annibal was in twenty thirteen. He had
36:10
Speaker 2: a five point nine more season, he had a two
36:13
Speaker 2: five seven era. Doug Fister was really good at points
36:17
Speaker 2: should probably be in that conversation as well. I kind
36:21
Speaker 2: of I kind of like taking ann a ball over.
36:25
Speaker 2: I think Bonderman that's just maybe my own like the yeah,
36:29
Speaker 2: the peak through which I view these guys. But who
36:32
Speaker 2: would you take there?
36:35
Speaker 1: I mean, the sentimental part of me would do Bonderman
36:37
Speaker 1: for the similar reasons I talked about, you know, like
36:40
Speaker 1: Inge and in Gien to a certain extent where it's
36:43
Speaker 1: like these are guys that really grinded their way into
36:45
Speaker 1: being valuable assets on top level teams and in that
36:51
Speaker 1: resident that resonates with me. So I would lean Bonderman.
36:55
Speaker 1: But the Annibal peak thing, it is hard to argue.
37:00
Speaker 1: All right, Bullpen, I did two. I did a setup
37:02
Speaker 1: quote unquote man and a closer. Maybe this is me
37:06
Speaker 1: being prisoner of the moment a little bit. It's also
37:08
Speaker 1: kind of hard to like choose a setup man. But
37:10
Speaker 1: like I went with will Vest because I think like
37:13
Speaker 1: his will Vest peak plays in any era and and
37:18
Speaker 1: I and I and I like if you look at
37:21
Speaker 1: his war seasons for relief pitchers, like it's pretty impressive already.
37:25
Speaker 1: And and I thought like he would just be like
37:28
Speaker 1: you could plug him in into any I mean, that's
37:30
Speaker 1: what we see. You plug him into any situation and
37:32
Speaker 1: you can do it in any era, and that's highly valuable.
37:35
Speaker 1: And then closer was an interesting one. Closer was an
37:37
Speaker 1: interesting one to do. It's you know, do you do
37:41
Speaker 1: Gregory sotoacs he had two All Star appearances. I didn't, uh,
37:45
Speaker 1: But but Jose Valverde man when this when this guy
37:49
Speaker 1: was like was still going, like obviously before he went
37:53
Speaker 1: to the pitfalls of all closers of that era especially,
37:56
Speaker 1: but like Jose Valverde was if I had this righte
38:00
Speaker 1: of my notes fifth and Cy Young voting one year
38:03
Speaker 1: three point six war with the Tigers. Two All Star
38:06
Speaker 1: appearances and had the flare and the flash and was
38:10
Speaker 1: part of like, you know, a good, you know, a
38:11
Speaker 1: fun era of Tigers baseball. I went with Jose Valverde.
38:14
Speaker 1: Todd Jones was in consideration there just because of you know,
38:18
Speaker 1: the All Star appearance and you know, being a part
38:21
Speaker 1: of the six team as well. But but but yeah,
38:25
Speaker 1: Jose Valverde. He was really good. He was really good.
38:29
Speaker 2: He was I think, I think you gotta have jewels
38:32
Speaker 2: a maaya in you're bull in. It was short lived,
38:35
Speaker 2: but the single best season from the Tigers reliever was
38:38
Speaker 2: two thousand and six twelves of Aya two wins above replacement,
38:42
Speaker 2: A one nine to four e ra ah, I man,
38:47
Speaker 2: I think at his peak he was the best. And
38:50
Speaker 2: then just a reminder of how hard it is to
38:52
Speaker 2: sixteen success as a relief pitcher. I'm I'm floored right
38:57
Speaker 2: now to see that will Vest has been more valuable
39:00
Speaker 2: already than anyone in the past twenty five years three
39:04
Speaker 2: point eight wins above replacement on fangrafts. The next closest
39:07
Speaker 2: is Jemia and Todd Jones and Joaquin Benoit and Bobby
39:12
Speaker 2: Say all tied at two point seven. Well, that's actually
39:15
Speaker 2: by far, by having like three good years, has been
39:18
Speaker 2: more valuable than any Tiger's relief pitcher in the past
39:22
Speaker 2: twenty five years. They've had some good ones, they've had
39:27
Speaker 2: some short lived ones. They've had some guys who were
39:29
Speaker 2: up and down. They've had some guys like Gregory Soto
39:32
Speaker 2: that you liked at times, didn't like it others saying
39:35
Speaker 2: Green had an All Star season. It's really hard to
39:39
Speaker 2: remain good year in a year out in the bullpen.
39:43
Speaker 1: No doubt about that. And we're seeing it. We will
39:46
Speaker 1: probably always see it all right, easy one right here,
39:51
Speaker 1: Miguel Cabrera DH. I don't really know if there's I
39:54
Speaker 1: don't know.
39:55
Speaker 2: I thought you were gonna go like Jonathan Scope, maybe
39:58
Speaker 2: your pastro played.
40:01
Speaker 1: And Harold there it was, it was, it was tempting,
40:03
Speaker 1: but uh, but yeah, Miguel Cabrera, we we chronicle his
40:09
Speaker 1: you know, the last years of his career on this podcast.
40:12
Speaker 1: And and obviously you Cody with your writing, and there
40:15
Speaker 1: was a there was nobody that you liked watching just
40:18
Speaker 1: hit and you could see it when Austin Jackson's on
40:21
Speaker 1: with us, and just like the way he talks about
40:23
Speaker 1: Miguel Cabrera as a hitter, just the reverence that everybody had,
40:27
Speaker 1: uh and still has for him. And then obviously being
40:31
Speaker 1: a part of some you know, legendary a legendary moment
40:34
Speaker 1: entire history of the trade, and then you know some
40:37
Speaker 1: legendary teams as well. So that was that was it's
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Speaker 1: a no brainer for him to be on the team.
40:41
Speaker 1: Where he put him is somewhat of a debate, but
40:45
Speaker 1: I decided to go with Prince as the as the
40:50
Speaker 1: first baseman and Miguel Cabrera as the DH. So if
40:57
Speaker 1: I were to make a line up, I would go
41:00
Speaker 1: Austin Jackson, Polanco, Cabrera, fielder, Mags green Giann, Pudge, and
41:11
Speaker 1: Brandon Inch. I like the lineup. I like that lineup coading.
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Speaker 2: That's a Miguel Cabrera is ranks ware in terms of
41:22
Speaker 2: best players position players in Tigers franchise history. Where would
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Speaker 2: you Drinker?
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Speaker 1: I would put him third. I would put him behind
41:33
Speaker 1: Cobb and Kline and then Miguel Cabrera. And with respect
41:38
Speaker 1: to Hank Greenberg, if he didn't have to serve in
41:40
Speaker 1: the military, Hank Greenberg would probably out. He would probably
41:44
Speaker 1: be a comfortable third. I don't know if Miguel would
41:46
Speaker 1: have been able to overcome that because Greenberg, Yeah, he
41:51
Speaker 1: was awesome. That's not breaking any news here. But I
41:53
Speaker 1: would put him third. I would put him third. And
41:55
Speaker 1: if he had won a World Series, it might just
41:58
Speaker 1: be a m might just be a one, A one,
42:01
Speaker 1: B one c thing. I know Cobb didn't, but he
42:04
Speaker 1: went to three in a row and and in my
42:08
Speaker 1: and and I think those three if you're starting to
42:10
Speaker 1: mount Rushmore, I think that's your starting point.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. I tend to agree with that. Oddly enough, McGee
42:19
Speaker 2: only ranks tenth in terms of career war he had
42:22
Speaker 2: four really good seasons with the Marlins before he became
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Speaker 2: a Tiger. That is why you look at absolute peak peak.
42:29
Speaker 2: I think there's a case for putting Miguel over al
42:32
Speaker 2: Ka Line, but overall contributions as a Tiger, like the
42:37
Speaker 2: long chevity, and I think you got to give that
42:40
Speaker 2: to k Line And then anyone who doesn't realize Ty
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Speaker 2: Cobb is far and away number one, Like, go look
42:47
Speaker 2: at the history, Go look at the numbers. The greatest
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Speaker 2: MIGGI is greatest, kay Line is thy Cobb is the
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Speaker 2: best player in franchise history.
42:53
Speaker 1: Also shot you know, honorable mentioned and shout out to
42:56
Speaker 1: Charlie Garringer as well.
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Speaker 2: I mean a lot of people don't understand how good
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Speaker 2: he was.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely so yeah. I I'll wrap this up real quick, coding.
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Speaker 1: I know we kind of went along here, but I
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Speaker 1: did ask chat gb GPT to construct the lineup of
43:13
Speaker 1: Tigers who played from two thousand to twenty twenty five,
43:15
Speaker 1: So I'll just read it real quick. Curtis Granderson center field,
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Speaker 1: Ian Kinsler second base, Miguel Cabrera first base, JD. Martinez
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Speaker 1: left field, Maglier Odonia's right field Victor Martinez DH, Carloski
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Speaker 1: in shortstop, Brandon Inge third base, and Pudge at catcher.
43:37
Speaker 1: So respect we didn't talk about in respect to v
43:40
Speaker 1: mart respect to Tory Hunter. There was a lot of
43:42
Speaker 1: guys that were in consideration. But that's chat gbt's version.
43:45
Speaker 2: I'm surprised we did not mention the name Victor Martinez
43:48
Speaker 2: until just now. If there were a way to reconfigure
43:50
Speaker 2: the lineup, maybe and Maggie the third right, maybe you
43:53
Speaker 2: can open uh DH for Victor to meet your young
43:57
Speaker 2: is a name I don't think we've said had a
43:58
Speaker 2: couple of really good years with the Also, we talked
44:02
Speaker 2: about AI and all these jobs. Is gonna take away?
44:05
Speaker 2: How far away from just not needing major league front offices?
44:08
Speaker 2: Just typing the chat GBT what should the Detroit Tigers
44:11
Speaker 2: do this offseason? I'm not sure we're that far away. Man.
44:15
Speaker 1: All these analytical franchises have essentially just engineered their own demise.
44:20
Speaker 2: With the use of maybe so maybes.
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Speaker 1: All right, that's a lot of fun. I hope, I
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Speaker 1: hope you guys enjoyed that. I had a lot of
44:28
Speaker 1: fun putting together, a lot of fun talking with Cody
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Speaker 1: about it. Tell us what you think you know, tell
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Speaker 1: us it's.
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Speaker 2: Going to be our manager by the way, sorry.
44:36
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jim Leland's our manager again. One of those things.
44:40
Speaker 1: Not a whole lot of analysis there, but tell us
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Speaker 2: At think who should manage this team?
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Speaker 1: I'm good, I'm good on that. I'm good. I'm good
44:51
Speaker 1: on that. Maybe maybe put them in the front office. Uh,
44:56
Speaker 1: but yeah, tell us what you think, what we got right,
44:58
Speaker 1: what we got wrong? Would be really curious to see
45:01
Speaker 1: what you know, what you guys' perspectives on are on that.
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45:09
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45:15
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45:18
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