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EVIL VOICE TERRORIZES 8-year-old girl in her pink bedroom through NANNY CAM! Hear Mommy! · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: A home security device hacked and mommy finds out some
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Speaker 1: freak as whispering to her little girl in real time,
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Speaker 1: some PERV on the other end, playing tiptoe through the
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Speaker 1: tulips to her eight year old little girl, telling her
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Speaker 1: I'm your best friend. I'm Santa. Ashley had just installed
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Speaker 1: a security camera to watch over her children. Her little
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Speaker 1: girl shouting who is that? As some guy tries to
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Speaker 1: engage this child in conversation. Ashley releasing the video, which
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Speaker 1: you can see at crime online dot com talking to
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Speaker 1: her eight year old child through the ring security camera
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Speaker 1: in her bedroom. How is it happening? How do we
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Speaker 1: stop it? I did a lot of research on these
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Speaker 1: before I got him, you know, like I really felt
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Speaker 1: like it was safe. The camera was supposed to be
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Speaker 1: an added level of protection away for Ashley Lamy to
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Speaker 1: keep an eye on her three daughters and seemed close
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Speaker 1: by while working her overnight nurse shifts. The ring camera
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Speaker 1: was a Black Friday deal and came with a recommendation
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Speaker 1: from another mom. She had one, and she was, you know,
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Speaker 1: like watching her kids on her phone, and I was like, oh,
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Speaker 1: you can actually speak to them. That's that's really neat
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Speaker 1: four days after the camera went up, eight year old
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Speaker 1: Alyssa heard something strange coming from her room. First one happened.
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Speaker 1: I was in the holiday up bottom my sisters. I
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Speaker 1: was heard some music, so I'll come downstairs and I'll
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Speaker 1: hear some banging noise. I was like, who's that, Dear
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Speaker 1: Lord in heaven, you were just hearing WMC five Action
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Speaker 1: nives your poor Jessica Hallege describing a horrible, horrible event
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Speaker 1: in any mother's life. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. More and more we
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Speaker 1: are hearing about home security devices being hacked by purps.
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Speaker 1: How's it happening? How do we stop it? Joining me
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Speaker 1: right now, the mother who discovered her reading camera had
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Speaker 1: been hated. Ashley LeMay with me. Ben Levitan, my longtime
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Speaker 1: friend and colleague, telecommunications expert out of Raleigh. You can
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Speaker 1: find him at ben Levitan dot com. He's been with
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Speaker 1: me through thick and thin. Doctor Daniel Bober, renowned forensic psychiatrists.
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Speaker 1: You can find him on Instagram. Doctor Daniel Bober and
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Speaker 1: the host of America Talks on Newsmax TV. Former NYPD
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Speaker 1: John Cardillo. But right now to Levi page investigative reporter
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Speaker 1: Crime online dot Com LEVI what happened Nancy. This family
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Speaker 1: in Mississippi, this is just outside of Memphis, claims that
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Speaker 1: a hacker got access to their ring camera that they
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Speaker 1: placed in their eight year old daughter's bedroom. They only
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Speaker 1: had the ring camera for a couple of days. It
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Speaker 1: was a Black Friday deal. And this mother, Ashley LeMay,
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Speaker 1: she got it because she's a nurse. She works overnights
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Speaker 1: and she wanted to have a way to have quick
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Speaker 1: contact with her children while she's working. But here's where
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Speaker 1: things get creepy. A voice started talking to her eight
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Speaker 1: year old daughter and was calling himself Santa Claus and
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Speaker 1: saying I'm your best friend. And Ashley LeMay said, in
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Speaker 1: another incident, their father was watching the children while she
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Speaker 1: was out of the house and music started playing, and
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Speaker 1: this voice started a minute and a minute right there,
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Speaker 1: right there. Hold on ly Vi page. Sometimes I wonder
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Speaker 1: should that be a felony? Because when I have to
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Speaker 1: go out of town and I come home and David
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Speaker 1: has had the children, it looks like bears have been
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Speaker 1: living in the house. I find there's snacks that, of
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Speaker 1: course I preprepare before I leave town. There'll be like
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Speaker 1: days of them stuffed down the backpacks. There'll be debris
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Speaker 1: on the floor. It looks like animals have been nesting
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Speaker 1: in our home. And I'm like, David, what happened? He goes,
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Speaker 1: they're alive. Well, I can't argue with that. They are alive.
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Speaker 1: Knock on wood and praise the Lord. But I'm telling you, Okay,
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Speaker 1: that may be the first issue right there, leaving leaving
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Speaker 1: the twins alone with dad, but that aside. Straight out
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Speaker 1: to the mom who brought this to light, Ashley LeMay,
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Speaker 1: she releases chilling video of a hacker talking to her
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Speaker 1: little girl through the ring security camera in the little
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Speaker 1: girls bedrooms, saying, I'm your best friend. I'm Santa Claus.
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Speaker 1: Ashley LeMay, you must have had a heart attack. Yes,
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Speaker 1: I couldn't even get words out when I first watch
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Speaker 1: the feedback from the app. I mean, I really couldn't
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Speaker 1: believe it. I mean, this is I know I've said
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Speaker 1: it's before, but it really is my worst nightmare. And
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Speaker 1: it's the reason that I didn't have a camera for
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Speaker 1: the longest time. I mean, it's just I mean, even
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Speaker 1: hearing it now, it's chilling, you know, Ashley, I have friends,
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Speaker 1: and they're very, very intelligent. They've got an incredible business
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Speaker 1: they created from nothing. They have three awesome, beautiful children.
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Speaker 1: They're convinced the government is spying on them. Okay, that's
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Speaker 1: the only drawback. No, they're not out on some remote
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Speaker 1: compound with barbed wire around. They live in a nice
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Speaker 1: neighborhood with a nice house and all that. They're convinced,
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Speaker 1: and they will not have Alexa, they won't have any
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Speaker 1: device as such as that in their home because they're
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Speaker 1: convinced they're being spied on. My response please and says
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Speaker 1: that you do spy on me. After about five minutes,
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Speaker 1: you'll run the other way. Your ears will be bleeding
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Speaker 1: from the borings of our home. But Ashley, having somebody
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Speaker 1: spy on your child is a whole another can of worms.
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Speaker 1: Tell me what happened. Don't leave anything out. Start at
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Speaker 1: the beginning. So we purchased these cameras. And I mean,
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Speaker 1: to be honest, with it being a Black Friday deal,
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Speaker 1: I think that's kind of the way it was reported.
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Speaker 1: But it was more or less that I am either
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Speaker 1: at work or at home with my four children all
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Speaker 1: the time. I mean, I oh, let me tell you something,
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Speaker 1: ash listen to this. For all those years on CNNHLN,
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Speaker 1: wherever I may be, people would think I was looking
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Speaker 1: over a little laptop. It wasn't. It was the nanny
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Speaker 1: Kim because I physically could not work without having them
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Speaker 1: for I could just glance over and make sure they
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Speaker 1: were okay. Same thing was Swift Justice. But I remember
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Speaker 1: when I was a judicating Nicki Minaj's case, I was
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Speaker 1: actually looking over to make sure the twins are okay,
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Speaker 1: just a glance, not staring at it, just make sure
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Speaker 1: they're alive. I get it, Ashley. I mean, that's the
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Speaker 1: only way I can work is knowing they're okay. So
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Speaker 1: when you said you think it was a Black Friday,
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Speaker 1: what now, what does this have to do with Black Friday?
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Speaker 1: So that's what That's what I was kind of getting out.
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Speaker 1: Was um, you know, it wasn't that the cameras were
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Speaker 1: on sale. That really wasn't anything to do with it.
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Speaker 1: It was just this was the first time that I
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Speaker 1: had gotten out of the house, and I mean the
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Speaker 1: longest time. So one of my friends had a camera
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Speaker 1: and you know, I'm over here like getting anxiety because
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Speaker 1: I haven't seen my children in you know, thirty five
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Speaker 1: minutes and she is showing me where she's watching her
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Speaker 1: children on a camera. And you know, we're in the
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Speaker 1: process of going to the next door and she's showing
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Speaker 1: me on her camera, you know, where she can watch
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Speaker 1: her children and interact with them. So I mean, at
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Speaker 1: that moment, man, I need this. I mean I need
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Speaker 1: this to not be so paranoid at work. You know,
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Speaker 1: I need this to be able to do my job,
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Speaker 1: you know, effectively. Now hold on another moment, Ashley ben Levitan,
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Speaker 1: doctor Daniel Bob or John Cardillovi page you know, you
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Speaker 1: can just tune out and check your emails in your
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Speaker 1: text because I know you don't care. You don't care
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Speaker 1: about being in constant touch with your children. When I
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Speaker 1: hear a child say mommy at the airport, I cringe.
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Speaker 1: I'll look for it. I want to help it. It's innaight.
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Speaker 1: I can't help it. Once you have children, something takes
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Speaker 1: over your brain and your body, and when you're apart
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Speaker 1: from them, you're convinced they're being kidnapped or maimed or heard,
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Speaker 1: or they're getting their feelings on the playground. You can't
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Speaker 1: stop it. You can't turn it off. Bober. That's probably
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Speaker 1: too much for you to shrink right now, I'll meet
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Speaker 1: with you privately, Ashley. I get it. I get it.
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Speaker 1: So you go in. You want a security device. What happens?
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Speaker 1: So I've heard this a security device, and the next
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Speaker 1: day we put them up. I was never prompted to
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Speaker 1: set up two factor authentication or anything like that, which
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Speaker 1: is an extra security feature that Ring offers, but we
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Speaker 1: did not know it at the time. I was never
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Speaker 1: sent an email. Oh my stars, I just turned that
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Speaker 1: down on my phone yesterday. I got so mad when
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Speaker 1: the Ring doorbell wanted me to do two factor authentification,
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Speaker 1: authentification authentication. I'm like, I don't have time. You're scaring me, Ashley, LeMay.
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Speaker 1: Listen to this guy's playing back the Ring video recording.
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Speaker 1: This is what her parents saw as Lyssa searched for
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Speaker 1: the source of the noise. I'm your best friend. I'm
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Speaker 1: Santa Claus. I'm Santa Claus. Thought you want to be
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Speaker 1: my best friend. I watched the video and I mean,
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Speaker 1: like my heart just like you know, I'm like, I
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Speaker 1: didn't even get to the end where she's screaming like mommy,
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Speaker 1: um before, like you know, I ran inside. It's a
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Speaker 1: nightmare for every parent, I'm your best friend. Some creep
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Speaker 1: has hacked into the ring surveillance camera in a little
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Speaker 1: girl's bedroom and he's talking directly to her. I'm Santa
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Speaker 1: Claus thought. You want to be my best friend? You
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Speaker 1: can mess up your room, you can break your TV,
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Speaker 1: can do whatever you want. Then he ratchets up the
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Speaker 1: terror by playing an eerie tune that's a recording of
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Speaker 1: Tiny Tim performing on The Roan and Martin's Laughing Show
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Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty eight. I was like, who is this guy?
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Speaker 1: Eight year old Alyssa Lamay and her mom spoke to
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Speaker 1: me from the bedroom where it happened in Mississippi. Can
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Speaker 1: you tell me where your reaction was when you heard
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Speaker 1: what was going on? I was, I mean extremely alarmed.
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Speaker 1: I mean I still am. I think I'm just a
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Speaker 1: little bit. You know, I can shock. Right now, our
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Speaker 1: buddy Les Trent at Insight Edition along with Ashley Lamay
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Speaker 1: with me right now, the mom that discovered some PERV
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Speaker 1: speaking to her little girl through the ring camera device.
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Speaker 1: I'm going to get with our other guests, ben Levitan,
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Speaker 1: Daniel Bober, John Cardillo in one moment. But back to
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Speaker 1: Ashley LeMay. Yeah, I'm your best friend. Now take your
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Speaker 1: clothes off. That's where that was headed. That is exactly
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Speaker 1: how I thought. Oh so you you get the device,
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Speaker 1: you get home, and what happens. So anyway, you know,
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Speaker 1: like I said, we had set this up, um, and
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Speaker 1: you know we had it for a couple of days.
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Speaker 1: I would watch them, and I mean I really didn't
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Speaker 1: watch them very often. Um My four year old has
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Speaker 1: a history of fabrill seaers. So anytime I would get
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Speaker 1: emotional work at work, I would watch the camera just
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Speaker 1: make sure everything was okay and then I could get
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Speaker 1: back to doing my job. And it was it was great.
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Speaker 1: I mean I really did like it, um. And then
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Speaker 1: you know I would but when I was walking into work,
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Speaker 1: I would say, well good night, you know, just to
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Speaker 1: make them feel like I was still there. And this
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Speaker 1: is something they were They were very aware of the
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Speaker 1: They liked the camera two, they liked being able to
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Speaker 1: you know, they would wave at it and you know
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Speaker 1: things like that too, you know, so they knew when
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Speaker 1: that light was blue that it was me or Dad
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Speaker 1: watching them, you know. And it wasn't something that we
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Speaker 1: watched very often. It was only at night when I
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Speaker 1: wasn't home, basically to reassure them. Um. So anyway, for
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Speaker 1: the first of all days, everything was fine. Well, we
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Speaker 1: were getting ready to go on a cruise and we
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Speaker 1: were packing and you know, I worked nights, so at
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Speaker 1: this point I'd been awake for forty eight hours at least,
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Speaker 1: and I was, you know, packing up for the cruise
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Speaker 1: and getting everything together, and I you know, ran on
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Speaker 1: the street, um to run some errands and you know,
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Speaker 1: just finished out what we needed to do before run
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Speaker 1: out of town and came back. And on my way back,
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Speaker 1: I got a text message from my husband and he said, UM,
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Speaker 1: are you messing with them on the camera? And I'm
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Speaker 1: thinking no, I mean, I'm not even I'm not even
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Speaker 1: I'm driving, you know. So I got to a stop
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Speaker 1: sign and I looked at it. I just saw the
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Speaker 1: text message where he said, I'm about to throw these
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Speaker 1: cameras out. Somebody is playing the tiptoes of the song
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Speaker 1: through the camera, and at first I'm thinking there is
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Speaker 1: no way, you know. So I get to my driveway
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Speaker 1: and I mean I couldn't even walk inside before I've
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Speaker 1: watched it because I just, you know, it's just in disbelief,
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Speaker 1: and I thought it was my husband wrestling with them
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Speaker 1: at first. So I watch it and as soon as
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Speaker 1: I heard the person's voice, I mean, I ran in
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Speaker 1: the house and my heart was beating so fast. And
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Speaker 1: you know when I say this is my first nightmare,
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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I this is why I've avoided cameras.
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Speaker 1: I've never had an Aluxa or anything like that. I mean,
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Speaker 1: I don't even have theory enabled on my iPhone because
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Speaker 1: I'm just you know, I've always been weirded out by
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Speaker 1: things like that, and I always say, if something will happen,
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Speaker 1: it'll happen to me. This is kind of my white story.
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Speaker 1: Jack and I are both saying, no, no, it's gonna
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Speaker 1: happen to us. Whatever's gonna have, it's gonna happen in
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Speaker 1: this house. So you actually brought me to tears because
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Speaker 1: that anxiety. Hearing you talk about your anxiety over your children,
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Speaker 1: I feel the same way. I'm just I know it's crazy.
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Speaker 1: I hate to even in minute in front of doctor
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Speaker 1: Daniel Bober, but sometimes, especially after I do this program,
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Speaker 1: I just have to get in the car and go
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Speaker 1: job by the school, make sure it's not in lockdown,
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Speaker 1: because I just worry so much. So you run in
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Speaker 1: the house and what did you do. I ran in
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Speaker 1: the house, and you know, first is check to make
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Speaker 1: sure that my daughter was even there. I mean, and
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Speaker 1: you know, in some reports it is said that, you know,
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Speaker 1: I thought that it was somebody local that could be honest.
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Speaker 1: I think I do that it was a part of
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Speaker 1: something bigger from the very moment that I heard that voice.
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Speaker 1: But I was just trying to could make myself think
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Speaker 1: that it was that I was paranoid because I had just,
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Speaker 1: i mean probably two weeks prior to this, just started
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Speaker 1: feeling like myself. You know, I have an infant, and
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Speaker 1: I had a really bad postpartum depression, and so this
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Speaker 1: is something that the cameras were kind of like a way.
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Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, I'm getting myself fat. I am going
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Speaker 1: to stop being so paranoid. I'm gonna, you know, just
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Speaker 1: get measures in place to you know, just to feel
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Speaker 1: like myself again and do what I need to do
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Speaker 1: as a mother to be able to be you know,
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Speaker 1: I'm sure as you experienced this too, you know, the
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Speaker 1: guilt from being a working mother and you know, wanting
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Speaker 1: to give all of yourself to your career and also
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Speaker 1: all of yourself to your children and this was a
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Speaker 1: way I felt like I could be in two places
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Speaker 1: at once. And you know when you say that, you know,
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Speaker 1: as the government's spying on you and things like that.
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Speaker 1: That's one of those things where you know, to be honest,
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Speaker 1: that's kind of before this happened. In my mind, the
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Speaker 1: worst case scenario, somebody saw a night vision view of
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Speaker 1: my baby sleeping. But you don't think about somebody interacting
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Speaker 1: with your child at such an impressionable age. You know,
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Speaker 1: she's eight years old, and you know, that's what I thought.
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Speaker 1: I felt like they were trying to gain her Truthe well,
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Speaker 1: that's exactly how sex molestation, child abuse, child kidnaps happen.
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Speaker 1: Because I've spoken to so many child abuse I mean
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Speaker 1: literally thousands, thousands victims and parents of child abuse victims,
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Speaker 1: and that's how it starts. The very first one I
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Speaker 1: ever became aware of was before cell phones, before any
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Speaker 1: of these devices. I had a very, very learning disabled
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Speaker 1: boy and he was I would say, if I can
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Speaker 1: remember correctly, about nine or ten. But what he could
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Speaker 1: do is he love video games and his mom. If
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Speaker 1: he was to the point where he could do chores,
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Speaker 1: he had that much intellect. Little chores like make up
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Speaker 1: his bed, and the mom would give him quarters and
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Speaker 1: he would go to the arcade, and guys started going there.
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Speaker 1: Very attractive according to other people. Not me, of course,
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Speaker 1: I thought he looked like Satan. But he had a
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Speaker 1: great job, he made great money, he had a great home,
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Speaker 1: he had a girlfriend, everything, and he would give the
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Speaker 1: little boy rolls of quarters in exchange of mo to
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Speaker 1: molest him. Well, he got life. Hit hit hit, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: he got life. But long story short, that's just how
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Speaker 1: it works now except through electronics. They don't meet you
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Speaker 1: at the arcade of the playground. They meet you on
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Speaker 1: Fortnite or Snapchat or TikTok or through this device. Now,
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Speaker 1: doctor Daniel Bober, forensics psychiatrists joining me now out of
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Speaker 1: the Florida jurisdiction on Instagram. He's doctor Daniel Bober. Doctor Bober.
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Speaker 1: Don't start with me about how I'm over a protective
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Speaker 1: and there's something wrong with me. Just explain to me
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Speaker 1: why her fear about leaving her child is her rational?
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Speaker 1: You know what? Wait, explain to me first, why do
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Speaker 1: people what joy do they get out of interacting with
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Speaker 1: a child over a webcam? What joy is there in that?
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Speaker 1: And scaring the child. It's about power and control, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I actually agree with you on this. These
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Speaker 1: devices make me very nervous, whether it's Alexa or whether
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Speaker 1: it's the Ring Cam. Why you know they the government,
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Speaker 1: it's spying on you, bober. Do you please? They're not
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Speaker 1: They don't care. No. I think they have too many
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Speaker 1: other things to do besides spy on me. But I
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Speaker 1: worry that other people like this young lady are being
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Speaker 1: spied on by you know, sexual predators that have nothing
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Speaker 1: better to do than figure out this technology. So it
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Speaker 1: does make me very nervous, and it's very unsettled. All
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Speaker 1: of our seemingly irrational fears are actually rational, Is that
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Speaker 1: what you're saying? Absolutely? Okay, you know what, Jackie, You've
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Speaker 1: got him on recording saying my fears are rational and normal.
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Speaker 1: There are reports that hundreds of people tuned in to
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Speaker 1: watch live as people were harassed in their homes. Among
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Speaker 1: those who were targeted, children who are still scared after
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Speaker 1: some of these incidents you're about to see this morning.
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Speaker 1: A possible explanation for these disturbing privacy invasions. Hey, what's
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Speaker 1: show that happening across the country? Case after case of
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Speaker 1: hackers breaking into ring home security systems. What's your name?
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Speaker 1: Will Blake Beenfante giving a fake name when a stranger
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Speaker 1: started talking to him through the family's ring camera at
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Speaker 1: their home in New York. I still see you following
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Speaker 1: him from room to room. The reason why I got
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Speaker 1: the cameras was to protect my family, and it's completely backfired.
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Speaker 1: In Kansas, someone peering into the Norris family's living room
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Speaker 1: sleep commenting on their every move. That tree is looking
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Speaker 1: really really good. Guys. Wow, okay, hacking watching parties, people
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Speaker 1: logging on to watch hackers terrorize people live online. You
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Speaker 1: were hearing ABCGMA reporter A Frey Marcy Gonzalez speaking, And
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Speaker 1: I've got to tell you something that I learned through
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Speaker 1: go on the dark Web and there are I guess
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Speaker 1: you would call them stations or websites. As you go
20:58
Speaker 1: to and that's all there are are hackers all these
21:01
Speaker 1: You can go from one to the next to the
21:03
Speaker 1: next and watch people in their homes just walking around.
21:06
Speaker 1: They may be in their kitchen they might walk by
21:08
Speaker 1: and their underwear. It might be children that's on the
21:10
Speaker 1: dark web. It certainly is with me. Ashley LeMay, our
21:14
Speaker 1: star today, her ring camera hacked and it scared her
21:18
Speaker 1: eight year old child, her little girl when some PERV
21:22
Speaker 1: play Tiptoe threw the tulips sung by Tiny Tim nobody
21:26
Speaker 1: will ever forget that, and began talking to her about
21:29
Speaker 1: how he's her best friend and he's Santa Claus. Okay,
21:33
Speaker 1: let's bring in the big guns, ben Levitan, John Cardillo,
21:37
Speaker 1: doctor Daniel Bober. Ben Levitan, you and I have really
21:40
Speaker 1: been through it from every kind of security device, pinging phones, triangulation,
21:46
Speaker 1: cell phone towers, and now hacking, ben Levitan, a real
21:51
Speaker 1: telecommunications expert joining me out of Raleigh. Ben, how do
21:54
Speaker 1: they do it? How does it happen? Bit YEA. I
21:58
Speaker 1: don't know if I'm gonna make anyone feel better because
22:00
Speaker 1: this is not all that sophisticated, but there are easy cures. Generally,
22:06
Speaker 1: this is how it works. Anybody can download the Ring app.
22:10
Speaker 1: Anybody can do that. Once you download the Ring wrapp
22:13
Speaker 1: all you have to do is logging with your user
22:16
Speaker 1: name and password from anywhere in the world, and you
22:19
Speaker 1: can get into your account. So number one, if someone
22:23
Speaker 1: else has your user name and password, they can do that.
22:27
Speaker 1: But this is not the case typically what happens. Here's
22:30
Speaker 1: what happens, Nancy. There have been so many security preachers
22:33
Speaker 1: out there forgetting you know, like walk Green and United
22:38
Speaker 1: Health and Facebook where hackers have stolen millions of user
22:44
Speaker 1: name and passwords. And guess what, Nancy, most people use
22:50
Speaker 1: the same user name and password for all their accounts.
22:56
Speaker 1: So this is how it happened. I found this out
22:59
Speaker 1: when I was racing for the book. Most people leave
23:02
Speaker 1: it on default, and that was my next point. And
23:05
Speaker 1: you know, if they don't leave it on default, I
23:08
Speaker 1: found out that, um about oh gosh, it's some staggering number,
23:12
Speaker 1: like seventy percent of people use either one two three four,
23:17
Speaker 1: double o seven, triplo seven their birthday some or oh
23:25
Speaker 1: gosh seven seven seven seven or again one two three four.
23:29
Speaker 1: There's a dictionary of five hundred words. There's a dictionary
23:33
Speaker 1: of five hundred words out there on the Internet that
23:36
Speaker 1: anyone can find that most people use as a password.
23:40
Speaker 1: But but that being Financy, so if I have a
23:43
Speaker 1: list of user names and passwords for safe Facebook, I
23:48
Speaker 1: can go to ringing Trium on that. I can go
23:50
Speaker 1: on Instagram and Trium on that, and I can I
23:52
Speaker 1: you know, I can go you know, I can go
23:55
Speaker 1: to any website such as a Snapchat or anything and
23:59
Speaker 1: just try shame una pass a good chance you're gonna
24:02
Speaker 1: get it, you know, ben Levitan, I'm torn between admiring
24:06
Speaker 1: your knowledge and admitting that you scare me every time
24:09
Speaker 1: you open your mouth. Ashley Lamy, please tell me you
24:12
Speaker 1: did not have it left on default. I did not,
24:15
Speaker 1: and I also did not have an easy password to
24:18
Speaker 1: guess if you did not know me. So that's why
24:22
Speaker 1: this is really shocking to me, because you know all
24:25
Speaker 1: these things that I'm hearing. I mean, I'm sure that
24:27
Speaker 1: you know it had something to do with that. But
24:29
Speaker 1: when we were first told about the dictionary you know
24:32
Speaker 1: of most commonly used passwords and things like that, um,
24:36
Speaker 1: you know our password was not common And I mean,
24:39
Speaker 1: I can't share this now because this is not no
24:42
Speaker 1: longer my password. But wait, wait before you say it
24:46
Speaker 1: isn't your password on any other thing like your bank
24:48
Speaker 1: or your credit card or your phone. No, this is
24:50
Speaker 1: not my password from my ring account was different than
24:54
Speaker 1: any password I'd ever use. But it was one of
24:57
Speaker 1: my children's names. But it was, but it was not
25:00
Speaker 1: something that was um, you know, my children have very
25:03
Speaker 1: um I mean, other than Alissa, they don't have common names.
25:07
Speaker 1: They all have double names, um, you know, with hyphens.
25:12
Speaker 1: I mean. And it's okay because it's already out there.
25:15
Speaker 1: But you know, one of one of my child's names,
25:17
Speaker 1: you know, is ablea Kate. One of them is Ashland
25:20
Speaker 1: James and that's her first name, I mean. And then
25:24
Speaker 1: one of my daughter's names is Adelie's. And I've never
25:27
Speaker 1: even met another Adelie's. I mean, not saying there isn't one,
25:30
Speaker 1: but it's not common. So for somebody who didn't know me,
25:35
Speaker 1: and it was a combination with a very old address
25:38
Speaker 1: that was never even associated with me. Good gravy. Yes, so,
25:42
Speaker 1: ben Levitan. If you haven't broken into Facebook or the
25:46
Speaker 1: the insurance or the the whatever and stolen passwords, how
25:51
Speaker 1: do people hack in? There are very sophisticated which that
25:56
Speaker 1: someone could have hacked into, for example, uh, into ring itself,
26:03
Speaker 1: but this is not likely. Most hacks are very very simple.
26:08
Speaker 1: The device was up and on the default password for
26:11
Speaker 1: a short period of time, it's possible they got it
26:14
Speaker 1: then Uh, it's possible that you got confirmation email back
26:18
Speaker 1: that was had or your husband had a different user
26:22
Speaker 1: name and password. Uh, And they're just you know, there
26:26
Speaker 1: are just the numerous tools out there, which we call
26:30
Speaker 1: this fruit force ACKs that will just try every combination
26:34
Speaker 1: of names and numbers and whatnot till they get too
26:37
Speaker 1: John Cardillo, host of America, talks on news Max TV
26:40
Speaker 1: former NYPD the specter of someone driving through your neighborhood
26:47
Speaker 1: trying to pick up activity on nanny cams or rings.
26:54
Speaker 1: How does that work? That's a scary thought. Yeah, so
26:58
Speaker 1: as I you know, as as I first saw this
27:00
Speaker 1: case and I watched Ashley's husband on TV, I was infuriated.
27:04
Speaker 1: I want to see this treated as a burglary. You know,
27:07
Speaker 1: back in two thousand and four or five, when the
27:09
Speaker 1: Internet was really proliferating social networks, I was doing a
27:12
Speaker 1: lot of work with the National Center for Missing the
27:14
Speaker 1: Exploited Children, and we realized, Nancy, that we didn't have
27:17
Speaker 1: laws to address the pedophile sexual predator threat on social networks. Well,
27:22
Speaker 1: now every home has a ring. I have two rings.
27:24
Speaker 1: I'm at home right now. I've got one on my
27:26
Speaker 1: front gate and I've got one on my garage which
27:29
Speaker 1: is in the back of the house, on that gate
27:31
Speaker 1: to cover both in and out of the house. And
27:33
Speaker 1: then I've got cameras in the house on a different system.
27:35
Speaker 1: The security the alarm provider we don't have. And I'm
27:38
Speaker 1: a small government guy. You know that We've argued about it.
27:41
Speaker 1: But in this case, I would like to see legislation
27:43
Speaker 1: that treats these people as felony burglars and treats them
27:47
Speaker 1: with the same stiff sentencing that we see when somebody
27:51
Speaker 1: solicits the child over the internet. What happened to Ashley's
27:54
Speaker 1: daughter was predation. It was a predecessor to grooming a child.
27:58
Speaker 1: I agree with you. I think the next step was hey,
28:01
Speaker 1: little girl, take off your clothes. When you combine that
28:03
Speaker 1: creepy song, this was a disturbed person. I want to
28:06
Speaker 1: see a Jessica's Law type sentence in these laws. And
28:08
Speaker 1: damn the trial bar and bleeding heart lawyers that say
28:11
Speaker 1: they don't like mandatory minimums. I'd like to see a
28:13
Speaker 1: defender over nineteen, victim under fourteen twenty five years, no parole,
28:17
Speaker 1: first defense, life because here's the unintended consequence. Ashley is
28:22
Speaker 1: a nurse. She's out there trying to save people's lives overnight.
28:26
Speaker 1: But now she's distracted, worrying about her children, and she's
28:30
Speaker 1: never going to trust a home security device again, a camera. Again.
28:34
Speaker 1: This isn't a joke. We can't laugh this off and say, oh,
28:36
Speaker 1: it's some loser in his mom's basement, because I'm going
28:40
Speaker 1: back to where you started. Now her family doesn't feel
28:43
Speaker 1: safe in their own home. Now they don't feel safe.
28:45
Speaker 1: And let me tell you how her case resonated. I
28:47
Speaker 1: belong to a couple of law enforcement fraternal groups. There
28:51
Speaker 1: were cops in the groups putting up posts about Ashley's
28:53
Speaker 1: case saying, Hey, if there are any cops in that area,
28:57
Speaker 1: we'll join you. Guys, We'll sit outside of this family's
28:59
Speaker 1: home off duty. This is how her case has resonated
29:02
Speaker 1: because people have kids, and people have cameras, and they
29:05
Speaker 1: were infuriated because the person that did this to her
29:08
Speaker 1: family was scum, targeting an eight year old child in
29:12
Speaker 1: her bedroom with one purpose to terrorize her and to
29:16
Speaker 1: create fear in that family. And I think we need
29:19
Speaker 1: to address this at a legislative level. And let's also
29:22
Speaker 1: put penalties in the place for the people who watch
29:24
Speaker 1: these videos. Blood curdling screams ring out. A concerned resident
29:46
Speaker 1: goes outside to investigate. Captured on her doorbell camera are
29:51
Speaker 1: the sounds of a woman crying out for help. You
29:57
Speaker 1: can also hear a man's voice. It appears the cries
30:01
Speaker 1: are coming from this white car zooming down the street.
30:04
Speaker 1: This is the home where the camera captured the screams
30:07
Speaker 1: and the car speeding away. A neighbor told me she
30:10
Speaker 1: saw the struggle happening just two doors down and it
30:13
Speaker 1: left her terrified. Car is right here, parked right here,
30:16
Speaker 1: park right here, right here, to bunted. A car was industry.
30:20
Speaker 1: So for a ring doorbell cam can't pick up that
30:27
Speaker 1: screaming outside? What else can happen? Is it an open door?
30:35
Speaker 1: In other words, can the reverse happen? We know now? Yes,
30:39
Speaker 1: Ashley LeMay with me her ring camera hacked. I'm looking
30:44
Speaker 1: at the video right now, with your little girl just
30:48
Speaker 1: standing there paused as she hears this voice. Ashley LeMay
30:52
Speaker 1: with me right now, Ashley, is there any chance the
30:56
Speaker 1: cops can catch this guy? I really don't know. I mean,
31:00
Speaker 1: I mean, I know that with the amount of national
31:03
Speaker 1: intention the story has gotten, I think that they have
31:05
Speaker 1: a much better chance, and I'm so thankful to um,
31:10
Speaker 1: you know, even the person who just spoke about these posts,
31:12
Speaker 1: I actually had no idea about that that, you know,
31:14
Speaker 1: they had asked people to sit outside my house and
31:17
Speaker 1: things like that, and I really, I mean, I'm I'm
31:20
Speaker 1: really amazed at how everyone has come together to try
31:24
Speaker 1: and help find out who did this. And one thing
31:29
Speaker 1: that I will say is that I feel like they
31:31
Speaker 1: have a better chance because I've had other victims reach
31:34
Speaker 1: out to me. I mean multiple victims reach out to
31:37
Speaker 1: me and tell me that, you know, thank you for
31:39
Speaker 1: kind of having a voice, because a lot of us
31:42
Speaker 1: were scared to speak up. And you know, because it
31:46
Speaker 1: happened to a child, I felt like I had no choice.
31:48
Speaker 1: That was kind of the only thing that gave me.
31:50
Speaker 1: And guess a little bit of sense of something I
31:52
Speaker 1: could do for her is just you know, be her
31:54
Speaker 1: voice and tell her that I won't allow this, you know.
31:57
Speaker 1: But I think that because they happened around at the
32:00
Speaker 1: same time, like all of these hats that were related
32:03
Speaker 1: to this podcast, they happened between eight fifteen and eight
32:06
Speaker 1: thirty PM, or the majority of them did, and I
32:10
Speaker 1: think that they will be able to narrow it down
32:12
Speaker 1: to one location if they can find them. I'm not sure,
32:17
Speaker 1: but I do think that they have a lot more
32:20
Speaker 1: information than they do in most cases because of the
32:23
Speaker 1: amount of attention that just received and people you know,
32:26
Speaker 1: coming forward to help. I was reading about another case
32:29
Speaker 1: that happened in San Jose, California through Google nest. The
32:36
Speaker 1: mom and dad were at work and their eighteen month
32:38
Speaker 1: old baby was home with a nanny, and a woman's
32:42
Speaker 1: voice came through the device. She originally stayed the family
32:46
Speaker 1: had a nice house, but then got angrier and angrier
32:51
Speaker 1: and then said, I'm coming for the baby if you
32:53
Speaker 1: don't answer me to the nanny. I mean, can you
32:59
Speaker 1: even imagine that happening? Rhing cameras are a located all
33:04
Speaker 1: across the country and very easily might could pull up
33:10
Speaker 1: locations of over twenty thousand rhing cameras and it wasn't
33:14
Speaker 1: even hard for them to do. So how does it happen?
33:19
Speaker 1: Can the purp be caught? To Ashley LeMay, her rhing
33:23
Speaker 1: camera hacked with her a little eight year old girl
33:26
Speaker 1: being addressed directly by some perv? Ashley, do you believe
33:32
Speaker 1: the purp could be someone you know? No? I don't
33:35
Speaker 1: I did it first because they they knew my fears.
33:41
Speaker 1: I mean, I know that insidious you know that movie
33:44
Speaker 1: in that song is you know, a fear for a
33:45
Speaker 1: lot of people. UM. But they also knew that. You know,
33:49
Speaker 1: Elissa was my um, but you know, as my oldest
33:52
Speaker 1: and you know, for a short time, I was a
33:54
Speaker 1: single mom um. And not to say that, I mean,
33:57
Speaker 1: I love all of my child here and you know, equally,
33:59
Speaker 1: but we have kind of like a special bond, you know,
34:02
Speaker 1: I feel like more of a protection towards her. So
34:07
Speaker 1: with them interacting with her the way they did, it
34:09
Speaker 1: made me feel like they knew that I was that
34:12
Speaker 1: was a fear of mine. And you know, I don't
34:16
Speaker 1: know if at the beginning of the video, you can
34:18
Speaker 1: hear this person moaning while they're watching my child. And
34:23
Speaker 1: there's another video prior to this where it's just playing
34:27
Speaker 1: music and they're they're making noises, you know, like moaning
34:32
Speaker 1: and things like that. And the video right before that,
34:35
Speaker 1: before this person hatch, was a video of my two
34:39
Speaker 1: year old going upstairs to change chance and I just
34:42
Speaker 1: recently watched that because I was terrified to even see
34:47
Speaker 1: what this person saw. But I felt like at this
34:50
Speaker 1: point I needed to know. But you know, I believe
34:54
Speaker 1: with every noun to me that this was a child credator. Yes,
34:57
Speaker 1: but I don't think it's somebody I know, just because
35:00
Speaker 1: it happened to people across the nation, and they were
35:03
Speaker 1: all linked to the same time period in the same podcast,
35:07
Speaker 1: and you can hear the same voice in a couple
35:10
Speaker 1: of these videos. We were We were the first one
35:13
Speaker 1: that were linked to the podcast. You know, our story
35:17
Speaker 1: happened on December fourth, and all the ones I've heard,
35:21
Speaker 1: I mean, as far as I know, everyone that happened
35:24
Speaker 1: kind of after ours, you know about like the sixth
35:27
Speaker 1: through the tenths. And like I said, I don't think
35:31
Speaker 1: it's somebody I know, But I do think that it's
35:33
Speaker 1: somebody who had, you know, an interest in messing with
35:36
Speaker 1: my child. Are you talking about the nulled cast podcast? Yes,
35:42
Speaker 1: take a listen to our friends at CBS. What's up?
35:45
Speaker 1: How's your day? The videos are alarming, and the most recent,
35:49
Speaker 1: a disembodied voice scares a woman sound asleep in Connecticut
35:54
Speaker 1: Hope Discovery with Field. In another case, a hacker talks
36:00
Speaker 1: to an eight year old girl in her bedroom. I'm
36:05
Speaker 1: your best friend. I'm Santa claus In others, the unknown
36:10
Speaker 1: voices use racist taunts. According to a Vice News report,
36:15
Speaker 1: some of the incidents may have been prompted by Noldcast,
36:18
Speaker 1: a podcast that encourages hackers to prank ring camera owners
36:22
Speaker 1: and stream it live. Allegedly, those who run the show
36:26
Speaker 1: have used social media to ask hackers to calm down
36:30
Speaker 1: due to the investigations on its site. Nold says the
36:33
Speaker 1: group does not and will not tolerate this kind of harassment. Well,
36:37
Speaker 1: guess what, that's what they're encouraging. It sounds like to me,
36:40
Speaker 1: to doctor Daniel Bober, forensic psychiatrists joining us out of
36:44
Speaker 1: the floor, to jurisdiction, doctor Daniel Bober, it's so scary.
36:50
Speaker 1: And I compare it to people that groom children on
36:55
Speaker 1: the playground or the video arcade or them all or
37:00
Speaker 1: in chat rooms. It's the same thing you talked to
37:03
Speaker 1: the child, taught to the child, convince a child to
37:06
Speaker 1: keep it a secret until you lure the child out
37:08
Speaker 1: of the home. Absolutely, Nancy, and I mean this is
37:10
Speaker 1: pure grooming behavior, like exactly what you said. Whether it's
37:14
Speaker 1: you know, in the mall or in a video arct,
37:16
Speaker 1: it's exactly the same thing. And whether these people are
37:18
Speaker 1: doing it to try to groom these kids, or whether
37:21
Speaker 1: they're doing it you're for pure sadistic indulgence. It's still,
37:25
Speaker 1: you know, in my mind, just a serious crime. Let
37:27
Speaker 1: me tell you something, Bober. I don't know how you're
37:29
Speaker 1: going to break this down with your psychiatric degree, but
37:32
Speaker 1: I know this purely anecdotal, But every time I had
37:37
Speaker 1: a peeping Tom, it grew into something much worse, such
37:41
Speaker 1: as child abuse, rape, sodomy, burglary. That's where it always starts.
37:47
Speaker 1: And that's what these people are. They are peeping Tom.
37:51
Speaker 1: Ben Levitan, just explain to me. I find it very
37:54
Speaker 1: difficult to believe that you can't tell the IP address
37:59
Speaker 1: from the gains access to your camera. I find that
38:02
Speaker 1: very difficult to understand. Nancy. It's very easy to UH
38:06
Speaker 1: beat that you're just basically routing it through multiple uh
38:12
Speaker 1: anonymous routers all over the world. I mean, it's very
38:16
Speaker 1: easy to do. It's kind of a system that passes
38:19
Speaker 1: your messages for your request from one computer to another
38:23
Speaker 1: computer around the world. So it makes it extremely difficult
38:28
Speaker 1: to find that you could trace it back to one
38:30
Speaker 1: or two links. And that's it, Nancy. I want to
38:33
Speaker 1: go back to Ashley LeMay, Ashley, what's the fallout, how
38:38
Speaker 1: is your child? How are you? What's your message to
38:41
Speaker 1: other parents? UM, we're really just shaking up at in
38:46
Speaker 1: the moment. I mean, and I think figuring out all
38:50
Speaker 1: of this to do with the podcast and everything else,
38:53
Speaker 1: it just kind of confirmed that I'm not as parenthoid
38:57
Speaker 1: as I thought, or that maybe maybe I am, but
38:59
Speaker 1: you know this, UM, maybe I need to be, and
39:01
Speaker 1: that you know, my child is she homeschooled, and so
39:05
Speaker 1: you know, one of the reasons that we did that
39:07
Speaker 1: was because of boys and that being such a real thing.
39:12
Speaker 1: And you know, even locally around near me, um, near
39:16
Speaker 1: my house, not not too far from me, a teenager recently,
39:21
Speaker 1: um committed suicide because a boy and that was a
39:24
Speaker 1: real you know, and we're we're near a very good school. UM,
39:28
Speaker 1: but that was something that you know, I felt like
39:30
Speaker 1: my child was safe because she was she was homeschooled,
39:33
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, I was involved in the community
39:36
Speaker 1: that she was a part of. And you know, it
39:38
Speaker 1: was never about sheltering or really like control. It was
39:41
Speaker 1: just you um that I felt like she was safe
39:44
Speaker 1: and you know, she was happy, she loved and I mean,
39:48
Speaker 1: she's now she's wetting the bed. Um, she can't sleep
39:53
Speaker 1: in her room, and you know, we're we're trying to
39:57
Speaker 1: re ship the room around and all this. And you know,
40:00
Speaker 1: one thing that we're struggling with is that you know,
40:02
Speaker 1: this only had our house using into Mark and you
40:05
Speaker 1: know this is something that we you know, worked really hard,
40:09
Speaker 1: you know, really hard for me, and you know this
40:11
Speaker 1: is something that we all loved. And Um, this is
40:14
Speaker 1: supposed to be a really happy first Christmas and I
40:17
Speaker 1: new home and now, I mean, you know, I don't
40:20
Speaker 1: even want to finish Christmas shopping for my shoulder and
40:22
Speaker 1: I just don't want to do anything. You know, I've
40:24
Speaker 1: had to take a medical leaves from work. Um. You know,
40:29
Speaker 1: it's turned my whole life upside down. And you know,
40:34
Speaker 1: over those four days that I have the cameras, it's
40:37
Speaker 1: you know, it's going to affect my child, aiming for
40:40
Speaker 1: the rest of my life. Um. And and she she's
40:45
Speaker 1: kind of up and down that she I mean, you know,
40:48
Speaker 1: the one thing that she really wants to you know,
40:51
Speaker 1: get away from here for a few days. Um, that's
40:53
Speaker 1: something that she really wants. And I just, you know,
40:56
Speaker 1: with having to read on on the room right at Christmas.
40:59
Speaker 1: I don't even know that's something that you know, we
41:02
Speaker 1: could do right now. So I think that, you know,
41:03
Speaker 1: I said, we're just we're having a hard time. But
41:06
Speaker 1: one of our messages apparents is that, Yeah, when you're
41:10
Speaker 1: reading these stories, um, maybe it look past you know,
41:14
Speaker 1: all the questions of why did you have this in
41:17
Speaker 1: their room or why did you die and and look
41:20
Speaker 1: at the fact that this is an eight year old
41:24
Speaker 1: and there's a much bigger projector out here than you know,
41:29
Speaker 1: the idea of me having a camera and my child's bedrooms, Um,
41:33
Speaker 1: and real hoist that can pass. Wait wait, wait, wait,
41:36
Speaker 1: wait Ashley, are people actually attacking you because you have that? Yes,
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Speaker 1: I mean I've had all kinds of like hate messages
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Speaker 1: from and it's and I don't care honestly, Um, you know,
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Speaker 1: anybody can say anything they want to because at the
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Speaker 1: end of the day, like my daughter looked at them
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Speaker 1: and when I mean, and she came downstairs and she
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Speaker 1: was like, this is not Santa Claus. And if this
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Speaker 1: would have happened to a child who wasn't love and
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Speaker 1: who wasn't educated and you know, taught these things, then
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Speaker 1: I don't know that that their reaction would have been
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Speaker 1: the same. So anybody can comment on anything they want too,
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Speaker 1: that's fine, but I just want them to see the
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Speaker 1: bigger picture here that this like this can happen to you.
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Speaker 1: You know, Ashley, I'm just sick that people have haters
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Speaker 1: have decided to pick on you. I mean, I'm used
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Speaker 1: to it because I you know, I remember my first
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Speaker 1: hate me. It was a death threat from the Fulton
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Speaker 1: County Jail. That was facts to me. Okay, that was
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Speaker 1: only it wasn't too hard to solve. But I was
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Speaker 1: kind of like, all right, yeah, you come and get
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Speaker 1: me when you're out of jail in twenty five years. Okay.
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Speaker 1: So but my point is there are so many haters
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Speaker 1: out there. I don't even care about them. I dread
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Speaker 1: the day that my children go on and read all
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Speaker 1: the ugly things that have ever been said. I hate
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Speaker 1: that thought. But you, Ashley, I anyone else can let
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Speaker 1: somebody else stop you from doing the right thing. And
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Speaker 1: the right thing is to protect your children. That's why
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Speaker 1: you had the nanny cams so you could talk to
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Speaker 1: them and protect them. I don't understand the hater's thinking
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Speaker 1: because clearly you're trying to be close to your children
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Speaker 1: and a nurse to boot. It's not like you're some
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Speaker 1: investment banker on Wall Street just trying to rake in
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Speaker 1: the money. You're actually trying to help people. Did you
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Speaker 1: take down the cameras? Yes, we unplug them immediately. I
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Speaker 1: mean when they wouldn't you know, my husband actually ran
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Speaker 1: in there. It says, I peened your IP address and
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Speaker 1: I'm sending the police to your house, you know, And
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Speaker 1: then they wouldn't stop. They were actually using racial slurs
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Speaker 1: with my daughter also, and she had never even heard
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Speaker 1: that word. So she my husband unplugged the cameras and
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Speaker 1: they've they've been down ever since. I mean, we haven't
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Speaker 1: plugged them back up or done anything with them. You know.
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Speaker 1: I thank God for one thing, and that is that
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Speaker 1: whoever was talking to your child did not lure her
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Speaker 1: out of the home. And my prayer is that she
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Speaker 1: makes a complete recovery from this. And I know that
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Speaker 1: it's gonna be hard. People may not get it, but
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Speaker 1: I know it's gonna be hard. Things like that still
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Speaker 1: with you the rest of your life. And now you
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Speaker 1: have another duty, Ashley Lamay. In addition from being a
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Speaker 1: nurse and a mom. You got to help her get
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Speaker 1: past it. Guys, Ash's messaged today is to be ever vigilant.
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Speaker 1: We've brought to you some of the world's finest experts
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Speaker 1: to help you fight back against crime and protect your children.
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Speaker 1: I am so honored to have met you, even over
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Speaker 1: the airwaves. Ashley Ben Daniel, John Levi, thank you and
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Speaker 1: to all of our listeners. Nancy Grace Crime Story signing off,
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Speaker 1: Goodbye friend,