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Lakers Bizarre Sale,  Kyler Named Vikings Starter, Josh Allen expectations | 8.13 · The Right Time with Bomani Jones

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  Speaker 2: Deontay Thursday. A Thursday. You understand what I'm saying? Deontay
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  Speaker 2: Lee of the Wrangler, what's going on, man?
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  Speaker 1: I'm good, man. Glad to be on. We haven't talked
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  Speaker 1: ball in a little bit, so I'm definitely glad to
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  Speaker 1: be here to do so.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, man, and we lucky, man.
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  Speaker 2: Deontay out here teaching the world, helping them lead the way,
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  Speaker 2: high school football coaches, so he gave us a little
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  Speaker 2: bit of time.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Look, man, the voice is a little froggier than
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  Speaker 1: usual right now.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, boy, oh, that's right. You having to whip the
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  Speaker 3: boys into shape.
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  Speaker 1: That's right.
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  Speaker 3: You having to remind them who's in charge.
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  Speaker 1: Listen, man, I thought the one kid I had was enough,
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  Speaker 1: and then I went and adopted, basically, another 105 between
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  Speaker 1: our program, and now we got to have conversations about
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  Speaker 1: how we leave the weight room, how we leave certain classrooms.
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  Speaker 1: Not exactly how I expected I'd be spending my adulthood,
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  Speaker 1: but the football part makes it all worth it.
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  Speaker 3: Damn, man, all good.
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  Speaker 2: You are also in Southern California, so I want to
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  Speaker 2: start before we get to an NFL preview of sorts.
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  Speaker 2: But the Lakers just sold, or we got word that
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  Speaker 2: they're selling, for $ 12.
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  Speaker 3: 5 million.
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  Speaker 2: There's a lot going on in there. I just want
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  Speaker 2: to start with the simple fact.
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  Speaker 3: That they just sold the motherfuckers a year.
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  Speaker 2: Ago for $ 10, 000, and now.
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  Speaker 3: He flipped it for $ 2. 5 million. That's a 25% return
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  Speaker 3: on a.
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  Speaker 3: Double digit billion dollar asset.
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  Speaker 2: And as nefarious as this appears to be, as janky
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  Speaker 2: as this appears to be, as trumped up, and I
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  Speaker 2: do mean trump because it's a Kushner involved in this, that.
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  Speaker 3: This all seems to be. Shit, man, you come off
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  Speaker 3: me 25% return in a year. I'll sell you anything
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  Speaker 3: I got.
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  Speaker 1: Listen, man, I'm a Southern California native. Flippin' property is
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  Speaker 1: the name of the game down here. I could walk
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  Speaker 1: down my street right now and see a bunch of
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  Speaker 1: signs outside of houses. People who are doing fixer-uppers and
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  Speaker 1: getting out of there. And I can't even call it
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  Speaker 1: that because Mark Walter wasn't even around long enough to
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  Speaker 1: get his own furniture in the building. You know?
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  Speaker 3: When he gonna have to move to Dodgers though?
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  Speaker 2: Because the thing is, he had a federal investigation and
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  Speaker 2: so they've been quite... Look, Ramona Shelburne got on the
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  Speaker 2: radio and told my man Sedano that This came together
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  Speaker 2: this week. We're talking on Wednesday. Who decides to.
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  Speaker 3: Sell a team for $ 12. 5 billion in a couple of days?
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  Speaker 1: Right. That means you had the all-hands meeting on Monday
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  Speaker 1: to finalize this and then sent the offer through and
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  Speaker 1: we was putting our signatures on it on Tuesday. That
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  Speaker 1: makes no sense to me. I think I was reading
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  Speaker 1: the LA Times reporting on the investigation and I think
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  Speaker 1: that his insurers that he was, you know, financing this
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  Speaker 1: purchase of the Lakers, Mark Walter, that is, said, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you know, we got like one, maybe one and a
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  Speaker 1: half billion in, you know, related party transactions. And they're like, actually,
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  Speaker 1: let's go look at them books. And it came back
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  Speaker 1: to 21 million, 21 billion. Now, that is going to
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  Speaker 1: grab the attention of federal investigators, right? You might be
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  Speaker 1: able to slide a billion here or there underneath people's
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  Speaker 1: noses and take a little slap on the wrist, you know,
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  Speaker 1: once the FTC or SEC starts knocking on your door.
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  Speaker 1: You start talking about 21 billion with a B and
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  Speaker 1: now everything's got to stop. Everybody's got to look at
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  Speaker 1: your paperwork a little bit harder.
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  Speaker 2: So this raises an interesting question because another L.A. sports
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  Speaker 2: thing that you may remember is when Frank McCourt bought
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  Speaker 2: the Dodgers with no money.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: One of the amazing hustles of all time. For those
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  Speaker 3: who don't remember.
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  Speaker 2: This, Frank McCourt bought the Dodgers with no money. He
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  Speaker 2: bought it with paper, but he did not actually have
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  Speaker 2: any money. Then he got into a divorce and the
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  Speaker 2: team had to be split and neither party actually had
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  Speaker 2: the money to buy the other out, right? Or in
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  Speaker 2: order to pay, I think it was in order to
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  Speaker 2: pay the settlement, McCourt had to sell the Dodgers. McCourt
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  Speaker 2: bought the Dodgers with no money, sold them, I think
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  Speaker 2: to Mark Walter, for a billion and got to keep
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  Speaker 2: the parking lots. retained ownership of the parking lots. I
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  Speaker 2: bring all that up to say, after some of the
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  Speaker 2: market stuff and crashing and everything else, you had to
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  Speaker 2: have the actual money. in order to get these teams, right?
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  Speaker 2: The ability to buy teams with paper kind of went away.
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  Speaker 2: And it is amazing the level of chicanery that goes
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  Speaker 2: on in high-level money. You would be shocked at how
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  Speaker 2: many people buy money, I mean, buy things without actually
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  Speaker 2: having money. Hey, such and such says he's good for it.
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  Speaker 2: And these things slide. I read this book called Billion
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  Speaker 2: Dollar Whale. You check it out about the Malaysian cat
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  Speaker 2: that ran a super scam. He had a reason that
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  Speaker 2: that boy Praz going to jail. He bankrolled the Wolf
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  Speaker 2: of Wall Street.
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  Speaker 3: It's all this stuff. But the big thing was, They
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  Speaker 3: ain't really have any money. Or you take a little money,
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  Speaker 3: make the money look like some money, dot, dot, dot. Like,
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  Speaker 3: they running so much game on this. And then for
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  Speaker 3: you to.
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  Speaker 2: Say you read that and it turned out they're like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you know, it's just a little bit of money that
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  Speaker 2: was janky.
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  Speaker 3: Turned out it's $ 27 billion that's janky. Ain't that something?
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's like you're trying to deposit a check
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  Speaker 1: from somebody who don't really got it. And then they
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  Speaker 1: send you that email or make that call like, hey, uh.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to be spending a little extra time on
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  Speaker 1: your account. So some numbers is about to change pretty
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  Speaker 1: drastically in the next 24 to 48 hours. I think
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  Speaker 1: that that's a lot of what's going on here. And
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  Speaker 1: you bringing up the Dodgers is an interesting thing in that,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, A, because the whole McCourt situation basically built
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  Speaker 1: the Dodgers dynasty that we have now because they were
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  Speaker 1: able to work something out with their TV deal where
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  Speaker 1: they don't have to share that revenue the same way
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  Speaker 1: that the other 2019s in the NLB does. And I
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  Speaker 1: think that, you know, I tweeted when I saw that
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  Speaker 1: this came together in a couple of days, like I
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  Speaker 1: can hear the documentary music rolling now. And I don't
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  Speaker 1: know whose side I'm more interested in. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: how more interested in the Kushner end of this than
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  Speaker 1: how you're able to get, you know, whipped together $ 12. 5
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  Speaker 1: billion to make this purchase. Or Mark Walter, who just
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  Speaker 1: bought this team and was starting to bring in all
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  Speaker 1: his Dodgers people and changing analytics and changing the way
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  Speaker 1: that they're running the business. And now all of a
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  Speaker 1: sudden he's right back out of the building. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know which one I want as part one more than
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  Speaker 1: the other. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Now keep in mind for people who don't know, this
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  Speaker 3: is Jared Kushner's brother.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: That is part of this with Bob Iger.
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  Speaker 1: With Bob Iger.
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  Speaker 3: Right, with Bob Iger.
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  Speaker 2: But as our man Yaron Weitzman has pointed out, who
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  Speaker 2: wrote the book on this latest leg of the.
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  Speaker 3: Regime, These two guys don't have $ 12 billion.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly.
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  Speaker 2: We don't actually know where this money is going to
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  Speaker 2: come from, but the deal was worked out in a
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  Speaker 2: couple of days. The only circumstance under which that happens is, yo,
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  Speaker 2: I got to move this thing right now.
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  Speaker 1: Right now.
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  Speaker 3: Right now.
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  Speaker 2: And so you talk to one set of people.
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  Speaker 3: You don't open it up.
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  Speaker 2: This is like the Luka Dodgers trade. Like, hey, man,
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  Speaker 2: Anthony Davis is a pretty good thing to give back,
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  Speaker 2: but at the same time, You're not going to open
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  Speaker 2: this up to market, right?
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  Speaker 3: So you call into one person. If you could get
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  Speaker 3: 12 and a half from these people who we don't
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  Speaker 3: know if they have 12 and a half, why wouldn't
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  Speaker 3: you put this out there for more people to get?
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  Speaker 3: Because you, for whatever reason, needed this to move fast.
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  Speaker 1: Right now, right? This is hey, let me go find
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  Speaker 1: somebody I can sell this house or this car to
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  Speaker 1: before they come repossess my shit.
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  Speaker 3: What you got right now, man? What you holding right now, man?
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  Speaker 1: I'll take that.
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  Speaker 3: Mark Walters couldn't even be like, it'll take $ 15 billion.
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  Speaker 1: He couldn't even get to that place.
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  Speaker 3: Exactly.
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  Speaker 1: That watch on your wrist, that look nice.
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  Speaker 3: Let me get a look at that.
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  Speaker 1: When's the last time you got this thing appraised? You
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  Speaker 1: know what? I'll take it myself. I'll take it myself
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  Speaker 1: and I'll find out what that number is.
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  Speaker 3: Ooh, nice and quiet.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Okay. I see what's happening. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So like, you know what it feels like when it
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  Speaker 2: feels like it's just the beginning of something.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: And this has got to, it can only be just
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  Speaker 3: the beginning. Like I think, I started talking about this
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  Speaker 3: just a second ago, but the something larger is I
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  Speaker 3: think people have lost sight of this, that.
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  Speaker 2: Owners weren't always super rich in sports. They were kind
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  Speaker 2: of rich, right? You had like car dealers who own
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  Speaker 2: teams like Jerry Buss, a physical chemist who had made
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  Speaker 2: some money.
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  Speaker 3: In real estate.
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  Speaker 2: Like, these were the kinds of guys that were buying this. Now,
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  Speaker 2: all hedge fund billionaires. Because the money has gotten so big. Like,
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  Speaker 2: I wish my guy Koppelman was doing billions again. Because
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  Speaker 2: Bobby Axelrod would buy a team.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly.
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  Speaker 3: Like, that's who these people are now.
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  Speaker 1: The context we're in now, the way that Mark Cuban
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  Speaker 1: got to the Mavericks, people will be looking at him like, okay,
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  Speaker 1: so we want to talk about you as a minority owner, right?
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Another guy with a fascinating money story.
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  Speaker 1: 100%.
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  Speaker 3: But you're absolutely right. Him coming in with $ 3 billion.
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  Speaker 2: Nah partner you said you sit in that chair on
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  Speaker 2: that side of the table that was the thing where
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  Speaker 2: hey every time people like it'll be great if a
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  Speaker 2: player can own a team i don't think you understand
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  Speaker 2: how shit works they don't have that kind of money
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  Speaker 2: and how do i know that lebron thought he was
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  Speaker 2: going to be able to parlay his shit and get
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  Speaker 2: to team ownership brother it ain't going like that way
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  Speaker 2: anymore You can be an ambassador.
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  Speaker 1: That's your role now.
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  Speaker 3: You know what you be? Magic.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: Magic. Magic. Magic.
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  Speaker 2: Magic spin every July on a boat. Just cruising around.
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  Speaker 3: Fuck work. Fuck anything else. Just cruising around on a boat.
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  Speaker 3: And you know what he is? he he he he'd
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  Speaker 3: a philly fanatic.
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  Speaker 1: Yep he'd a smile away man he'd a smile away
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  Speaker 1: man that's what that's what athletes get to be you.
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  Speaker 3: Get everybody feel good with magic pull up exactly.
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  Speaker 1: The handshake brother that that man as you would say no.
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  Speaker 2: Man are you talking about time magic pulled up to
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  Speaker 2: the seaport studio espn i think you i think i
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  Speaker 2: have heard this dude magic pulled up and it was
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  Speaker 2: so funny because i was working with pablo at the
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  Speaker 2: time and pablo didn't get it like he I know
• 10:01
  Speaker 2: you were in LA, so it lands a little different,
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  Speaker 2: but I had to be fair and recognize Pablo's six
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  Speaker 2: years old when Magic retires, right? Now, to me, the
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  Speaker 2: measure everybody needs to have is we call him Magic
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  Speaker 2: and not because he.
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  Speaker 3: Asked us to. We do that. We decided that this
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  Speaker 3: dude is Magic.
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  Speaker 1: You merit this nickname. Right.
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  Speaker 2: How absurd that is that this is what it is.
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  Speaker 2: So Magic pulled up. And I have been listening to
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  Speaker 2: Pablo run Magic down on the air forever, act like
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  Speaker 2: LeBron was in charge of the team. I used to
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  Speaker 2: be like, yo, man, do you know who Magic is? Like,
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  Speaker 2: you think Magic just let LeBron tell.
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  Speaker 3: Him what to do? Like, this is Magic. It did
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  Speaker 3: not land. Dog, Magic pulled up. I watched Pablo stand
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  Speaker 3: on the sofa to shake Magic's hand. Like, jump over
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  Speaker 3: the sofa from the back to get a spot to
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  Speaker 3: stand on that.
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  Speaker 2: There's a picture out there of him doing that. Because
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  Speaker 2: when Magic pull up, everybody feels good.
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  Speaker 3: And Magic knew everybody's history. Magic knew North Carolina, then
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  Speaker 3: Miami before you got here, right? He's like, yeah, Pablo,
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  Speaker 3: you're Harvard, right? Like, Magic, that's what LeBron would be.
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  Speaker 2: LeBron would have to start treating people a lot different
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  Speaker 2: if he was going to get into an ownership group.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely. And I mean, I love bringing up that magic
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  Speaker 1: anecdote because that's also a reminder that the Michigan don't
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  Speaker 1: leave him, right? No. He just got money with a
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  Speaker 1: lot of Michigan underneath him, right? And if you read
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  Speaker 1: some of them old stories about how he was handling
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  Speaker 1: the business behind closed doors, we see the smiles. Everybody
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  Speaker 1: else in the building, they ain't getting that version of magic.
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  Speaker 3: No, that's because they're not getting magic. We're getting magic.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Irving is what's going on behind them doors.
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  Speaker 3: They are getting Irving. Also, now that we're mentioning this,
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  Speaker 3: I never really thought about it. Can you imagine Magic
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  Speaker 3: being Magic except we called him Irvin?
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: Irvin doesn't really fit.
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  Speaker 1: Right. I hear Irvin Johnson moving like this. I'm looking
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  Speaker 1: for a fur coat. Okay.
• 11:55
  Speaker 3: A fur coat or just a shirt with Irvin on
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  Speaker 3: this side.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: And the name of his employer on that side.
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  Speaker 1: Over 100%. Irvin. 100%. Irvin is what you call me.
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  Speaker 1: He is Irvin.
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  Speaker 3: Irvin, man.
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  Speaker 1: Irvin.
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  Speaker 2: Anyway, just as that news just dropped, everybody's just like, yo,
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  Speaker 2: something's crazy here. And it leads us to a question
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  Speaker 2: that I will use to take us into football. I
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  Speaker 2: can tell social content when we have it. So go
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  Speaker 2: ahead and cut this with the time, Mike. If you
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  Speaker 2: can get $ 12. 5 billion for the Lakers, what could you
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  Speaker 2: get for the Cowboys?
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  Speaker 1: Listen, man. Listen, man, I know Stephen Jones. I know
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  Speaker 1: Stephen Jones has been sitting on this property waiting for
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  Speaker 1: dad to hand this off before he takes that long
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  Speaker 1: ride out into the sunset. Listen, man, second generation ownership
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  Speaker 1: don't sound as pretty as sitting on maybe 15 or
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  Speaker 1: 20 of them tanks.
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  Speaker 3: So it's interesting, though, because Stephen Jones is not young.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's an important detail to bring up because.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe he's with the team. Right.
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  Speaker 2: This don't feel like them Steinbrunner brothers. I call them
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  Speaker 2: the Steinbrunner brothers.
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  Speaker 3: That would be funny. But the Steinbrunner brothers, like they
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  Speaker 3: don't enjoy this.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: Well, there's only one left.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly.
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  Speaker 3: He's not into baseball. Like this isn't a thing to him.
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  Speaker 2: I do get the feeling that Steven really digs this.
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  Speaker 3: But again, the Steinbrunner brothers have kept the team. And
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  Speaker 3: I've been shocked. And I have said for a while.
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  Speaker 2: Watch out for insert sovereign wealth fund here, swooping up
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  Speaker 2: and getting either of them. Because if you are, I
• 13:35
  Speaker 2: resist the idea of sports washing. I don't think it works, right?
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  Speaker 2: I think it's just something to talk about.
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  Speaker 3: But if you get the Lakers or the Yankees, like
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  Speaker 3: you're playing a different game. If the Saudis pull up
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  Speaker 3: on Steven Jones and they're like, yo, we give you 20.
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  Speaker 1: 20 of them. 20. Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Shit, man.
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  Speaker 2: They might have Buster Robbins. do a musical performance before
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  Speaker 2: the first game.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, look, and if we're looking at the profile
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  Speaker 1: of people who have been by a team in the
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  Speaker 1: NFL lately, it sounds like them nose is starting to
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  Speaker 1: dwindle a little bit more.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, man, because these numbers is just going up.
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  Speaker 2: And my last thing I'll say before we get to
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  Speaker 2: the football, through this round of tangents that has gotten
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  Speaker 2: us to football, you and I talked about this on
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  Speaker 2: text a little while. I said that if the Saudis
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  Speaker 2: bought the team, they might have Buster Rhymes do a
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  Speaker 2: performance before the game. I don't know if some of
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  Speaker 2: you were too young to remember this because this is
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  Speaker 2: now like almost 20 years ago. Now that we think
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  Speaker 2: about it, how crazy is it in the 21st century
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  Speaker 2: that Busta Rhymes not only did a song called, and
• 14:39
  Speaker 2: I quote, A-Rab Money, it also came with a dance.
• 14:47
  Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes.
• 14:51
  Speaker 1: I mean, and this is post, this is post what,
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: Punjabi rap from Jay-Z?
• 14:55
  Speaker 3: Post everything.
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: You know, like, I think, I think, who was that?
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: Was that Nas? I don't think it was Nas and
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: Khalees who had, who ended up trying to use some
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: South Asian sample that ended up getting yanked.
• 15:08
  Speaker 3: Well, like, think about this.
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: Girls, girls, girls.
• 15:11
  Speaker 2: I don't think Jay-Z did that at the Blueprint show.
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: Because in this day and age, what tribe you with.
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: The Overton window has shifted.
• 15:21
  Speaker 3: It's not allowed. You can't do that. I went to
• 15:25
  Speaker 3: the Ben Ryan Dirty Show in Houston.
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: And in a lube with Smoke D talking about, man,
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: there's two dudes in here kissing.
• 15:30
  Speaker 3: Nope, that joke is not.
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: Can't do that one no more.
• 15:32
  Speaker 3: You can't do that no more.
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: You don't even get the ironic laughter.
• 15:35
  Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, no. You just get a lot
• 15:37
  Speaker 3: of people looking very upset. Now, let me make sure.
• 15:40
  Speaker 3: Let me get the year right. on this song.
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: 2009, Busta Rhymes did A-Rap Money, which again, had a dance.
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: We are in the throes of the Patriot Act. Yes.
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: How could you still get away with that in 2009?
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: But let me tell you something, that is exactly what
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: I think the NFL is looking for.
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: 100%.
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: Still looking for. Now, to the football. So I had
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: sent word.
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: This is something I did a little different because much
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: to the chagrin of some of my guests saying a
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: real prep heavy situation over here. It's jazz, man. You know,
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: the songs, you know, the chords, you can play the music.
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: We vibe. Right.
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: But I had looked at the NFL and I think
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: this is as wide open an NFL season. as there
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: has ever been, considering a team dominated the Super Bowl
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: last year. And I don't hear anybody saying that they're,
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: forget winning the Super Bowl, forget going, even say they're
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: going to win their division.
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: Right. Right. And the team that lost the Super Bowl,
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: that got dominated in the Super Bowl, people talking about
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: them like they should be throwing a party and hanging
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: a banner if they go 8-9 this year.
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: Yo!
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: People are expecting regression.
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: And.
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: Meanwhile, America's number one rooting project, the Buffalo Bills, they
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: got them a new stadium. Boy, white folks is so
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: ready for the eventual Josh Allen coordination.
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: And it's not all the white folks, but it's white folks.
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: We ain't got a lot.
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: It's enough of them. Yeah, it's enough of them.
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: We ain't got a lot.
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: It's 100% enough of them.
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: But I had sent across for you a list of
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: like eight teams that were like contenders or.
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: contenders.
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: Then I realized while we sitting here talking, I had
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: left two off. It's really closer to 10. Like I'm
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: going to run through the list in total, but I
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: feel like.
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: There are 10 teams whose fans really believe, yeah, we
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: can win this this year. The Rams, the Seahawks, the Eagles,
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: the Bears, America's team, the Detroit Lions. Quietly, the other
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: America's team, the Dallas Cowboys. The Packers, the Bears, the 49ers,
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: if anybody can still play, the Bills, and the Ravens.
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: And I would say that 40% of the teams on
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: that list not only have that hope there's some expectation
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: there better yeah it's some coach might get pulled into
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: the office if you don't all.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: Right so like let's i'm gonna run through this and
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: go one by one and we'll say yes or no
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: whether these teams should reasonably have expect right not just
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: i think if things break right okay the rams.
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: Expect you should absolutely expect.
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: In their case, if they don't win, your concern is
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: not pulling the coach.
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: Your concern is always the coach just being like, yeah,
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: I'm good.
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: I'm going home. Yeah.
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: My chick bad. My chick good. I'm rich. 100%. The Seahawks.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah. They should absolutely reasonably expect to be back.
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: They can, but we'll get to their issue in a minute.
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was going to say, they got one glaring
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: issue that everybody knows.
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: It's huge.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: Everybody knows.
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: It's huge. No, not everybody knows. They lie.
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: That is true.
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: That is fair. The Eagles.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: I would say, if we're being honest, break right. If
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: you're asking anybody else who likes the Eagles, it's expect. Yeah.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: I mean, the way they're going to treat their quarterback
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: based on this year.
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: It's a you better.
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: I mean, they laid the groundwork for this months ago.
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: Kick ass ass, kid.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: Exactly. Right. Exactly. And the head coach is 100% in
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: that conversation, too. Correct.
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: The Bears.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: I would say this is a break right situation. I agree.
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: I agree.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: I think last year was a lot of break right,
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: a lot of close games. And historically, there's some regression
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: on that. There's also the possibility of the leap.
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: From the quarterback.
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: It's on the board.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: Right? Yes.
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: Detroit, I think, is a break right.
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: That's a break right. That was a break right before
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: Terry and Arnold got into all his league.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: But shit, man, he was like down to not even
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: playing in the dime no more by the time that
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: he got.
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: By the way, teams are calling him in.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was going to say, I saw the Seahawks
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: worked him out.
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: Somebody thinks he can beat that case.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: Listen, his lawyer's talking like this ain't going to stick.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: I know that I think the Tampa is trying to
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: prove a point about, you know, a lot of cities
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: go through this where that hip hop shit that y'all on,
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: some of these other metropolitan areas surrounding our city, we
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: ain't going down like that.
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: I will say this, though.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: His case from where I sit sounds a lot like
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: they may not be able to bust you.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: But that's not about whether or not you did it.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: The did it part looks kind of clear to me.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: But the should you go to jail for it is
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: a little tricky.
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: The Packers, I think, are kind of close to expect.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: I think they're right on that borderline of expect. You
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: hear the names and you think about the trajectory of
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: the team for the last three to four years. Anybody
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: else in this situation would be a you better. I
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: think for me, I'm probably looking at them more break
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: right because they do have some problems and some key spots.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: But you go out and trade for Michael Parsons and
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: then go pay him the money that you're paying him.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: And you're paying your quarterback the money that you're paying him.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: This is kind of a you better. And Matt LaFleur
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: has been here for a while. So for him, at least,
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: it's a you better.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: And I think their quarterback is absolutely a championship ceiling quarterback. 100%.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: The high end of him and the particular things that
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: he can do. You have a quarterback you can win
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: a Super Bowl with.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: I actually realized I left another team out. So we
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: take it to 11 from there. The other team in
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: that division is we've already rattled off the first three.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: The Vikings, now that they have an NFL quarterback.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: That's going to be an interesting conversation if they're not
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: in the if they're not in the contending conversation again,
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: because I don't I don't know if Kevin O'Connell can
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: bust with can have a bust season with Kyler Murray again.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: and people still be like, oh, you're the quarterback whisperer guy.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: Doesn't mean it's fair, but I think that he can
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: very quickly find himself in a similar situation as Kyle
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: Shanahan is in, and at least Shanahan got you two
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: trips to the Super Bowl. Yeah.
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: Buffalo, I think break right.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: I think it's a break right season. I am interested
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: with the ownership and GM there if they're going to
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: be patient enough with their new head coach to say,
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: if things don't break right, you're okay.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: Well, I feel like Those kinds of hires, we hired
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: the offensive coordinator because we fired the head coach, like
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: that type of setup, that.
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: Has all the markings of one and done.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: It's totally on the board, right?
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: Like not saying Joe Brady's only going to be there
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: one year, but if they mess around and go like
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: 11 and seven and lose in the wild.
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: Card, oh yeah. It only takes a couple of things
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: for them to be.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: Like, yeah, man. Yeah, I dare Joe Brady to make
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: it look like you took a step back. I dare
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: Joe Brady to look like you took a step back
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: from last year to this year. This hire 100% felt like, okay, Josh,
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: you get your pick this time. You better be right.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we clearly identified he's the problem. We promoted the GM,
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: who seemed more likely to be the issue. I didn't
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: have a problem with them firing McDermott just because nobody
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: else has gotten to stay that long. with a great
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: quarterback and not won any, not gotten to a Super
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: Bowl ever, right?
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: Nobody else gets to do that.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: The Ravens, I think they are in the expectation zone.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: They are in the expectation zone.
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: Do you think they're a break right?
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: I think they're a break-right team, but you've got to
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: be in the expectations zone with a two-time MVP at quarterback.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: Who's got to get paid. Three-time first-team All-Pro.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: You've got a no-doubt Hall of Famer under center, man.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: You've got to deliver. And the guy is approaching 30 now.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: We are 100% in the... We can't talk about three-
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: to four-year windows. I need to know what can happen
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: in the next eight to ten months type of situation.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: Hey, man, what do you think about the people who...
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: are really approaching this season as though, well, you know,
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: it is on the board that maybe that they won't
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: want to keep Lamar Jackson after this year.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: That sounds like people who would like to be fired
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: if they had Eric DeCosta's job. You don't let guys
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: like that walk out the door. For what? If he
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: ain't hurt, if he ain't hurt, if this ain't a
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: Peyton Manning where I don't know if his neck is
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: ever going to work again, this guy gets to stay
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: as long as he wants to be around him.
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: My question is, then what?
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: Let's just say you decide, you know what, this Lamar
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: Jackson thing, I don't really think you can get it
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: done with him.
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: Then what? Oh, and my bad. I left off another team.
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: The Texans. Oof.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: Quarterback, it's a you better. You know, it's funny. I
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: think this is the one situation where everybody is in
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: a you better zone except for the head coach because
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: he has bought so much good equity with being able
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: to turn this thing around instantly. Yes.
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: It's the head coach and the edge Russia.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: Yes. Y'all are good. Everybody else. It's time, man.
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: So like we just rattled off 11 teams that have
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: like for real super like going into week one, you're like,
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: Hey man, It would be no shock to see any
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: of them in the Super Bowl.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: None.
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: Now, coming up next, now we.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: Get to like actually talk about these Jokers just a
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: little bit. Cause I mean, it seems cliche, but what
• 25:37
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  Speaker 2: with Deontay Lee at Oranga talking football. Now, I got
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  Speaker 2: to remember, I got to write down these other teams
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: that I realized I had forgotten so that we can
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: get to them in discussing what's going to happen here.
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: But yeah, it's 11 teams.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: With fascinating quarterback situations. And I think fascinating in the
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: sense that all of these teams, except for one, I'm like, but.
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: You ain't getting nobody better than this.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: And I think the one is the one that just
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: held up the Lombardi trophy.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: That is exactly it. That is exactly it. The only
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: one where I'm like, it's Sam Darnold. Because look, I'm
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: going to get to this part early. I've talked about
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: this before. I'll tie these two together. No, everybody who's like,
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: can Kyler Murray be the next Sam Darnold? When the
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: hell did Sam Darnold get as good as Kyler Murray? Like,
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: you follow these things more closely than I do. You
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: tell me if I'm tripping.
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: I know that people don't like him, but.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: I would much rather have Kyler Murray be my quarterback
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: than Sam Darnold.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: I think so, too. I think that this 100% is
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: a good hang versus bad hang type of situation. I
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: think that that's really what this comes down to. I
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: don't think that Sam Darnold gets the money that he
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: got going to Seattle if he wasn't such a high character.
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: Everybody likes having him in the building. Seems like he's
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: turned a corner in his career from an emotional maintenance perspective,
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: and he ain't talking about seeing ghosts anymore. anymore i
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: think that that's really the thing more than anything but
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: if you gave me blind item tests if you're just
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: asking me even coming off of as low of a
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: season as kyler had last year where they basically told
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: him to go home and somebody else will cover your
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: shift i still think i would take kyler over sam
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: donald in most situations.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: Correct me if i'm wrong because i've seen i did
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: not see this loudly discussed but i felt more of
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: the internet film crowd talking about this Seattle was protecting
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: themselves from Sam Darnold a lot down the stretch last year.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: Like it wasn't as bad as it was down the
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: stretch that year in Minnesota. But this was not a
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: team winning because of its quarterback, no matter what you saw.
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: In the Super Bowl.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: I mean, the first half of the season was about
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: Jackson Smith and Jigba, and the second half of the
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: season was about defense and special teams. I really don't
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: think there was ever a point in the year where
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: Sam Darnold could have had a rightful argument for being
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: the lead story out of Seattle. And I would definitely say,
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: as they were trying to hold on to the number
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: one seed in the NFC, Everything else was about, let's
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: get the ball to Kenneth Walker, let's get it to
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: Zach Charbonnet, and let's make sure our defense has good
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: field position and we will win games that way. Because
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: you started to see the turnovers and sacks go up.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: And I think that's just always going to be a
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: part of his story as a quarterback, which is fascinating.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: We really rarely get situations like this with the quarterback
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: where the problems are still obviously the problems. but he
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: has somehow become just good enough in spite of those
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: problems to merit being able to hold down a job.
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: They'd be rooting for him, man. Like the rooting, you know, well,
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: the Jets let go of him too early. No, I
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: was there.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: No, they didn't.
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: I was there.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: The Panthers didn't make a mistake either. He had to
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: go from there too.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: No, the 49ers did not make a mistake. They went
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: with Brock Purdy.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: Right call. We'll do that. The absolute right call, right?
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: The absolute right call. Now, I want to throw another one.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: In that division, though, Matthew Stafford, if you're expecting last
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: year's Matthew Stafford this year, uh-uh.
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: That's for a number of reasons. That's highly unlikely. But
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: there are people who get mad at me when I
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: do this.
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: But I have always said the real comp for three-time
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: pro bowler Matthew Stafford is three-time pro bowler Carlson Palmer. Um,
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: and Matthew Stafford's MVP season was Carson Palmer's 2015 season,
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: which you could have argued was an MVP season.
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: Also, they have the, they both look like a quarterback, right?
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: Both have all this incredible talent and they will both
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: give you a timer to a game where you, you
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: can have the ball if you would like it.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: If you can look alive and catch this pepper that's
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: coming your way, you could have the chance. And so Stafford,
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: at age 59, or however fucking old he is, had
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: the best season of his life, right? Like, we made
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: him an....
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: The Stafford is a no-brainer Hall of Famer discussion infuriates
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: me because it is unsupported by fact or the fact
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: that we were there.
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: We never said this, right? That Super Bowl they won
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: was five years ago.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: The first half of your career still counts. And it's
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: more than a half.
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: That stint in Detroit, it still counts. Yes, he had
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: the one nice year with Jim Bob Cooter or whatever,
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: or with Darryl Bevel. Yeah, he had the one nice
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: year with Jim Caldwell. That existed. We also saw the
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: rest of his time in Detroit. It's not like he
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: was a bad quarterback, but he certainly wasn't no damn
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: Hall of Famer until 2021. That wasn't even a conversation
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: worth having.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: And I think- We would have said that Matt Ryan
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: was better than him throughout that entire stretch.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: And that would have been very much founded by- The
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: evidence on the field that would have 100 percent been
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: founded by the evidence on the field. And I would
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: say I think the thing that pisses me off is
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: less that he's a no doubt Hall of Famer as
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: much as, you know, when people talk about being a
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: temporarily temporarily embarrassed millionaire. for people on the right of
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: the political spectrum, right? People talk about Matthew Stafford like
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: a temporarily embarrassed quarterback having to deal with Detroit and
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: not being just as much a part of some of
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: Detroit's losing as everybody else who was wearing them colors.
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: Hey, man, I watched what Josh Allen has helped do
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: in Buffalo. Hell, I watched what Matt Ryan did out
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: of the rubble and.
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: Ashes in Atlanta, right? Say what you want about Stafford.
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: He never elevated them, right?
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: That being said, the man can do things.
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: He's the closest to Mahomes in terms of the tricks.
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: That he can do right um it it's not a
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: case where i don't see what people are talking about
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: right that may be the best he can do amazing
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: incredible things and he has a great coach he has
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: i would term now a great receiver and a very
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: good future hall of fame receiver on the other side
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: a lot of it is there and then on the
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: other side they went and got miles garrett and i
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: mean i think aaron donald's gonna play this year do
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: you think aaron donald's gonna play this year After.
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: Going to Rams training camp and talking to some people
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: around Rams training camp, I think that this is very
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: much a, we're just waiting for him to say he's
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: showing up on Monday. I think everybody expects for him
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: to be there. Every weekend, I think they lay their
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: heads down at night and just like, I'm just looking
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: for the text message. That's all I'm waiting on. We
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: already got the locker set up. We got all his stuff,
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: just how he likes it. We're just waiting for him
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: to walk through the door.
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: And that's why people think that the Seahawks are not
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: going to go to the Super Bowl or even win
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: their own division, right? That's the reason that people think that.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: And as crazy as this sounds, it just kind of
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: depends on Stafford.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: I would say that you pointed out something that's been
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: fascinating to me all offseason. They have built an offense
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: now where Matthew Stafford doesn't actually have to be Matthew Stafford.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: You know who Matthew Stafford gets to be? Jared Goff.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: That's who Matthew Stafford gets to be in this offense,
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: just with the trick shots and a much stronger arm, right?
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: Like that's really, if you go back and watch this
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: past season, and I was talking with a mutual colleague
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: of ours, Amina Kimes, about the MVP race, and when
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: she was going really hard for Drake May and talking
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: about how Matthew Stafford is really more so protected in
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: this scheme now, this iteration of the scheme, than he
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: was in 2021 when they won a Super Bowl, and
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: you go back and watch, and it's absolutely right. It's
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: all run game on early downs, play action, we're throwing
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: the ball to wide open receivers, getting zone coverage, right?
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: It's not you having to be a superhero outside of
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: these third and obvious situations. And he can call upon
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: that from time to time, but he doesn't actually have
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: to be that on a snap-to-snap basis. And they're 100%
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: Super Bowl favorites now because on the other side of
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: the ball, you might bring back Aaron Donald in a
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: situation where he's actually not the best defensive player on
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: your roster. Yeah, you should be winning the Super Bowl
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: if that's your roster seven.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: Quarterback, the arc of quarterbacks is not an arc. It's
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: a it's a, it's a EKG, right? Like it does things.
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: I think we just saw.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: You got no idea which way to say.
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: Stafford through a bunch of picks in practice the other day.
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: Hell the year he won the MVP. We didn't even
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: know he was going to play. Cause we thought he
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: had a, he had a back. He out of me. We,
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: we ain't know what was going on, but it's all
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: there laying out for them. They're going to be a.
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: Really, really interesting team, but there's also a world where
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: they could finish like third in the division without playing badly.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: I mean, going 10-7 and 11-6 is 100% on the table.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: All it takes is Matthew Stafford getting out of bed wrong,
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: picking up his kids and tweaking something, right? Pulling a
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: Larry Bird, you know? Being out there in your driveway
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: doing something you got no business doing and hurting your back.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: They've got a left tackle who seems to not be
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: able to know how to behave each offseason, who's under
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: investigation and might be suspended by the league for some
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: domestic dispute issues that he has had. You've got Pukunukua,
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: who has definitely shown up until this point that he
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: ain't know how to act in all season. Okay. And
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: you're bringing back, I mean, for as much as I
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: love Aaron Donald, I mean, he is 35. You don't
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: know exactly what's walking through the door. I just know
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: what I believe about him. There is 100% a case
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: where instead of being a top three offense, they're ninth
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: or 10th. And instead of having the number one defense,
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: they're fifth or sixth. And you got to play San
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: Francisco twice. You got to play Seattle twice, right? And
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: you could very much, look up one day and see
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: this team being second or third in the NFC West
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: and still feeling like, eh, I can go make a
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: run to the Super Bowl. It is going to be
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: a lot, I think, of cognitive dissonance with this team.
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: But it's also going to be about what the smart
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: defensive coaches in the league cook up to stop what
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: has happened. So McVay is interesting to me because I
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: think McVay is an obviously excellent coach, right? But in
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: some ways, he reminds me of Steve Kerr is an
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: example of this. Chip Kelly is an example of this.
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: You were the future, right? Like you had this futuristic offense.
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: And when it hit Mike Marks, another guy like this,
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: when you hit the streets, nobody could do anything with
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: you because we were just blown away by whatever it was.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: And then in part because the process involves other teams
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: using your stuff, which means that these other defensive coordinators
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: see this in practice more.
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: Everybody has greater familiarity with it. people then catch up.
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: Like there are certain, people a certain age who don't
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: understand why when Chip Kelly gets a job, it's a
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: thing because you had to be there, right? Chip Kelly
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: was doing things. Rich Rodriguez was another guy in college
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: that was like that. But those guys normally don't like
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: become the future again. And McVeigh never really became the
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: future again. And now we're hearing stuff about how he
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: wants to get back to like living how he used
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: to live, right?
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: Like get back to the stuff that he wanted to do.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: And so I do wonder after Stafford was so good
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: last year, what's the league going to have?
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: Coming back against him.
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's interesting. You bring up all those names
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: you bring up from decades prior. The one thing that
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: exists now that didn't exist then is just the craving
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: need by the rest of the league to have a
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: piece of what you've done, right? Like I would say
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: the NFL now, when it comes to coach hiring, they've
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: almost adopted this venture capitalist tech type of approach where, oh,
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: if you were at Google just long enough, to be
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: able to see how the backend works. We'll come hire
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: you to come design ours, right? Like they have 100%
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: kind of adopted that where guys like Sean Mannion, David Blau,
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: you know, these backup quarterbacks who have no play calling
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: experience now are getting offensive coordinator roles. That is a
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: much different thing today than it was before where you
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: had to have a little bit more of a proven
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: track record. And I do think that McVay has had
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: a very interesting track in terms of he was 100%
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: like three, four years ahead of the curve. in 2017, 2018,
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: and 2019, and then the league caught up. And then
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: he pivoted, just as you said, over the last few
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: years to, I want to give back to putting multiple
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: tight ends on the field. Some of the stuff that
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: we were doing when I was coming up underneath the Grudens, right?
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: Some of that, you know, kind of more strict West Coast,
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: you know, drop back passing game and downhill run game stuff.
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: And now I think we're starting to see the NFL say, okay,
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: we can do that too. And now I want guys
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: like Nicky Manwari to basically be an extra linebacker for us.
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: We're starting to find bodies that you can't really manipulate
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: in the same way. You can't manipulate personnel as much
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: as you were able to do earlier in his career.
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: And I think that the biggest question to me is
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: whether or not, if they have caught up to what
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: the current paradigm is in terms of getting bigger bodies
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: on the field to pass the ball and smaller bodies
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: on the field to run the ball, what the next
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: iteration of this is, if there is a next iteration.
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: Because I think Sean McVay would tell you, I mean,
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: we just kind of lucked into that three tight end
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: stuff because Devontae Adams and Puka Nakua got banged up
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: throughout the season. And we just need to be able
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: to field an offense on a week-to-week basis. I don't
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: know if they're going to have another card at play.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: And I'm just fascinated to see if that matters because
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: maybe they do just have the best play caller in
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: the league and a quarterback who can still play at
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: an all-pro to MVP level if the guy is healthy. Yeah.
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: Now eels and bears. I don't feel like there's anything
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: that we can say about these quarterbacks.
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: That isn't obvious that we haven't talked about a million times,
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: but it's a quarterback thing on both of those, the lions.
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: You just brought it up. The Jerry golf thing is interesting, man.
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: Cause like, again, the demerit against Matthew Stafford, the lion
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: seemed just fine switching you out for Jared golf. I mean,
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: it took a couple of years, but nonetheless.
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: He's just fine.
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: Just fine.
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: He's just fine. I, as a, you know, fan of
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: the Detroit lions, uh, I don't complain about the quarterback.
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: I know how hard it is to go find one
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: that's better than him. But I ain't happy about the
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: quarterback either.
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: Well, and I think that for a quarterback like Jared Goff,
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: when we start talking about age cliffs and production cliffs,
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: a player like him, I think, is much more susceptible
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: to finding that sharp age cliff and production cliff than
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: somebody who is more on the MVP spectrum, the way
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: that people maybe have been talking about someone like Lamar
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: Jackson after the rough season that he had last year.
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: A player like Goff could 100% show up one day,
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: just like Geno Smith did last year and in the
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: second half of 2024, where all of a sudden all
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: these passes that were completions over the middle of the field,
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: gaining 15 to 20 yards, have now turned into interceptions.
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: They're now turning into batted passes. You're taking more sacks
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: than usual. He 100% could be susceptible to that. And
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: I think that the other thing, while this isn't necessarily
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: a demerit against Dan Campbell, since Ben's left, you take
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: Ben out of the picture, it's just a lot of
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: fire at OCs over there. if you look at what
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: the offenses look like outside of Ben Johnson. So now
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: I'm fascinated to see whether or not Dan Campbell can
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: get another grasp on this offense the way that he
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: had when he had his– What'd you call him? Big
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: Brain Ben.
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Big Brain.
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: Hey, look, I just stopped calling him Big Brain Ben
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: because after watching Dan without Ben, I was like, oh,
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: that was Dan's idea.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm. He likes that stuff just.
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: As much as Ben did. That was him doing that stuff. Because,
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: I mean, look, he only fired one.
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: Okay, no, he fired Anthony Lynn, and then he got
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: Ben Johnson, and then he fired, what was his name?
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: John Morton. Not to be confused with Johnny Morton.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: But he fired John Morton. Yeah, we're going to see.
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: Who did they hire this year?
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: This is Drew Petzig, who was with the Cardinals before.
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: Yep, that sounds like an NFL offensive coordinator. That kind
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: of name right there.
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: If you Google him, he looks like one too.
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: I bet, I bet. Let me tell you something.
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: Drew Petzig, I don't even need to see your pic. Like,
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: when you walk in for the first day.
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: Are you Drew? Okay, there we go. Where are you
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: on Dak?
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: I think, I think I have been I think I've
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: been cooler on him than most of the people who
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: were in the NFL tape grinder intelligentsia. I think now
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: I'm kind of starting to swing the other way where
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: I feel like he gets dismissed far too often in
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: these quarterback conversations and what I'm comfortable with. I don't
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: think that he's an MVP quarterback. I think that the
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: playoff and the playoff resume, very similar to Justin Herbert
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: now has been so rough against the actual contenders to
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: make the argument that he can win you a big
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: playoff game. But I watch him sometimes and I'm like,
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: why wouldn't he be able to? I don't understand why when.
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: I watch how he plays.
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: Could I not say something similar about Josh Allen?
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: 100%. 100%. I watch him and I'm like, this looks
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: like every Super Bowl winning quarterback I've seen in my lifetime.
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: Why is this not happening? Why would we play the 49ers?
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: Are we falling apart?
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: He is like, to me, and I'm curious what you
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: think about this.
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: I always say we throw the word franchise quarterback around willy-nilly.
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: there are starting quarterbacks. And then there's another level to that,
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: which is a franchise quarterback. Baker Mayfield, I think, is
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: a great example of a starting quarterback who is not
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: a franchise quarterback. On the low echelon of that is
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: like Sam Darnold, who is there. I think Jalen Hurts
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: is a mid-tier starting quarterback, but we have to talk
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: about him like a franchise quarterback because of the results
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: that he's had. I think Dak Prescott is at the
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: tippy top of starting quarterback short of franchise quarterback like
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: if you were to ask me who in the league
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: right now counts as a franchise quarterback I'm gonna pull
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: the list up in front of me so I can
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: have them I would say Josh Allen is a franchise
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: quarterback I would say Lamar Jackson is a franchise quarterback
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: I would say Joe Burrow um I think you get
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: guys like Jordan Love where we're still waiting to figure
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: that out Right.
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: Like they just still answer.
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: This is a profile of a franchise quarterback. We just
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: haven't seen him get over that.
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: We just haven't seen him. Exactly.
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: Stafford, I think, has made himself into franchise quarterback space.
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: You know, I think that's a fair one to say. Obviously,
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: the greatest quarterback I've ever seen.
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: Is on that.
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: Damn it.
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: I forgot to put the Broncos on our list. And
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: you know why I forgot to put the Broncos on
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: our list? the part of the show that we're in now.
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: I'm not buying it. You're not this Bo Nix thing.
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: I'm not buying it. Oh, and Justin Herbert.
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: He's in there too. I forgot. Another two teams that
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: we could put on this list.
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. And I think with Nix, it's 100% founded in
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: saying I'm not buying this because if they believe after
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: the last two seasons they had, they wouldn't have traded
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: away their first round pick to go get Jalen Waddle.
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: They would have said our quarterback is enough to get
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: us over this hump. All right. The fact that they
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: went out and thought they had to go get a
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: pro or all pro level receiver tells you that we
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: need to stack this deck as much as possible. So
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: all Bo Nix has to do is wake up and
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: walk in a straight line to get us there.
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: Hey, Nix reminds me of the Nix in the sense
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: that if a couple of things had gone different, remembering
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: the way that we were talking about him with one
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: month left in the regular season, we're having entirely different
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: conversations right now.
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: Like, like, the Knicks in basketball, they just started playing
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: really well. Right. But it was like, yo, the vibes
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: aren't great around this team, all of this.
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: And they went on the run and it's like, okay,
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: Denver gets to the conference championship in a game that
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: quite honestly, even, nobody won, somebody just lost. It was
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: a weird game to watch. But no, I'm still not
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: seeing it. And I think that, and I wonder if
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: it's the, what I thought about him coming out. I don't,
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: I think people get a bad rap for this. No,
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: I don't let go of my priors on this until
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: later because there's something in my priors that is the
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: reason that I feel like this is the thing. So
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: if you had your priors about CJ Stroud, for example,
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: and then you saw him look really good as a rookie,
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: Chances are the things that we're seeing now that are
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: problems were tied in to your primes, right? Josh Allen
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: had to show me that this wasn't just a fluke
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: because it's still crazy that he improved in the way
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: that he improved. That's just the nature of it. Bo Nix,
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: I think that there's a ceiling on how good he
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: can be. I've seen nothing to tell me that that
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: ceiling is not there.
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: I mean, we had, what, over a half decade's worth
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: of data coming into the league. I don't just dismiss
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: that with two different programs. Two great programs, I should say.
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: He had two great offensive play callers in his time
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: in college, and he looked bad.
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: Jalen Hurts, same thing.
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: Same thing.
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: And all the things that were issues are still issues.
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: And I think that, you know, he is such, I
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: find it, he is like the perfect quarterback to get
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: people riled up. Because there are so many quarterbacks that
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: he is just objectively better than. And then there is
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: a hard line of quarterbacks where he clearly cannot do
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: what they do. And he just wins. The conversation just
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: ends up being circular all the way across the board
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: because everybody is right.
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: But you know who's interesting on the Pryor's discussion to
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: me is Dak. And the reason I say that is
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: looking back on it, and I know he had the DUI.
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: It is crazy that he was a fourth round pick.
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: He was a first team all conference player in Mississippi State.
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: He got Mississippi State to the Orange Bowl. I know
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: it because I saw those people on Collins in Miami
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: the week of, and I was like, no way.
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: You guys are in the Orange Bowl?
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: I would argue he is one of the best examples
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: of a good player legitimately being held down because of
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: the sticker on the side of his helmet. Because if
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: you watched him at Mississippi State, that would have looked
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: like a quarterback that you take a chance on at
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: least in the top 100 you don't write to day
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: three right you might not be a first round pick
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: but a team would have certainly taken them with the
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: second or third had he not been just not like
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: one of the sec powers if that guy's at auburn
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: if he's at tennessee somebody else is going to say
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: all right the the sticker on the side of his
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: head says that he is going to be a first
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: round picker.
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: No I make two points.
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: One, I've never heard anybody say it out loud, but
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: the only conclusion that I can truly draw is that.
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: I know where you're going.
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: I know where you're going.
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: So for those of you who don't know, one year,
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: Dak got his ass whooped by some white boys at
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: Paddlebot City Beach, Florida.
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: You got to be careful what you do at spring break, dog.
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: I think he was fighting barefoot, and he had a
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: proper stance, and he got tuned up, man.
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: And I really do think that in front offices, there
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: was a question.
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: As to whether or not you can have a quarterback
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: that got tuned up like that.
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: It was any, look it up.
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: I mean, it was ass, it was a ass whooping, okay?
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: Then he caught, like, then he catch one of those
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: where he.
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: Had to like. Yeah, he had to little stumble real quick.
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: He got tuned up. And there's that part, number one.
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: But number two, to the discussion about Pryor's, when he
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: hits that ceiling at the playoffs, I'm like, well, you know,
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: he was a fourth-round pick. Yeah. Is that what's happened?
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: Has he just so greatly overachieved and then the playoffs
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: come and it's like, he's a fourth round pick. Brock Purdy,
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: look like a seventh round pick when it don't really
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: be going right.
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: That's the damn truth. That's the damn truth. And you know,
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: and they're all just good enough to pay, right? Like
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: when I saw the Dak Prescott was getting 60 million annually,
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I mean, I look at him in the
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: greater scheme of the rest of the league. And yeah,
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: if your contract comes up at the right time and
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: the team's got to pay you 60 million because that's
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: market rate Dak Prescott gets $ 60 million. Because what the
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: hell else are you about to do? Same with Brock Purdy.
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: $ 53 million. Would I want to pay that? No. But
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: if that's the going rate for a good starting quarterback
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: fresh off a Super Bowl run, then yeah, I guess
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: $ 53 million is just what it's going to cost to
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: bring these guys in. But they do definitely hit these
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: hard ceilings. And then I think that with them, it
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: gets even more confounding because then we have these other
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: guys who don't have the kind of reputation that they
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: have yet that haven't gotten over the hump. You talk
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: about Jordan Love, who you mentioned, who has an MVP ceiling.
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: but hasn't gotten over that hump yet. I would say
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: Justin Herbert, to a lesser extent, I think that his
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: career has just been so stunted by either his poor
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: play in big moments and coaching in big moments that
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: we just really haven't gotten a fair evaluation. And because
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: of that, people just dismiss him very similarly to some
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: of the other quarterbacks that we're talking about in this hierarchy.
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: And I think that the other guy that I'm just
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: so fascinated with in this continuum, and I think that
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: maybe the MVP has just taken him to a different
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: place now, But you pointed out all the time with
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: people who root for Josh Allen, who root for the
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: Bills to get over the hump. And I just look
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: at the body of work, and I start agreeing a
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: lot with Nick Wright on that point. It was like,
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: this dude, he might kind of be playing against a
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: seven-seed merchant. He might be playing up against a six-seed merchant.
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: And when he plays up against great teams, sometimes the
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: stat lines are good, but he just doesn't get over
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: the hump.
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I watch all these games with Nick, right? And
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: so there's the obvious Mahomes rivalry thing, right?
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: Cause you know, I love Nick and we've talked about
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: this for a long time.
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: I don't always like how I feel when Nick be
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: talking about Lamar. If I didn't know Nick as well
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: as I know him. I would view things through a
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: bunch of different lids, right?
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: I've had to delete a few responses because I'm like, man.
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: But he's not wrong.
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: His track record is too pure for me to assume
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: some of the things I want to assume based off
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: of what I'm reading right now.
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: But he's not wrong. The thing about it is I
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: hear what he says by and large.
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: He's not wrong. But no, with Allen, normally by now,
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: a quarterback we say is as good as him and
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: he hasn't won. We're like, so when are you going
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: to do it as opposed to, I don't know, guys.
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: I think this is the year.
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: I think we got it.
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. I mean, and he's one of the few quarterbacks
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: who's fresh off of a head coach got fired disaster
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: playoff game. And nobody's really talking about what you're going
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: to do for me now.
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: Oh, it's never on him. It's never on. It's the
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: damnedest thing. It's never on him. It's been on Lamar.
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: And look, Lamar has earned that with some objectively poor
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: play in the postseason. It's so crazy, though, if Mark
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: Andrews catches that ball, because those guys let him down
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: that year in Buffalo. If Mark Andrews catches that pass.
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: do we flip the way we talk about Josh Allen
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: or are we just, or, well, I ain't really saying we, but,
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: or like, you know, are people still just rooting for
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: Josh Allen to make it happen? Like, it's almost as
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: though the fact that Buffalo has not made it there
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: is an affront to Josh Allen, the disservice that has
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: been hoisted upon him by his teammates in the league
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: and how dare the Chiefs score in 13 seconds. Like, somehow,
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: scoring in 13 seconds is not, God damn, Patrick Mahomes.
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: It's poor Josh.
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: Yes, every time. It's always for Josh. It's always for Josh.
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: The year you're bringing up after Mark Andrews drops that
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: pass in the end zone and Josh Allen gets to
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: take the Chiefs down to the fourth quarter and you
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: end up blowing that fourth down and you don't get
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: the quarterback sneak and everybody's talking about, well, how could
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: you not pick up this blitz? How are they not
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: able to get this first down? The refs gave them
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: the wrong spot. It really rarely ever comes back to,
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: hey man, when they needed Josh Allen in the 2024
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: AFC Championship game, They didn't get the version of him
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: that I think that they were expecting.
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: Look, my guy, Mike Greenberg, said Josh Allen's the best
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: quarterback he's ever seen. And I'm like, brother, did you
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: even see Dan Marino?
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: Right. Like, Dan Marino the one I need to step
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: up and be like, hey, fellas, you need to go turn.
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Go check the tape.
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: That guy came.
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: From the future. Right?
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: 100%.
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: Like, Dan Marino could play right now slow as Christmas.
• 55:06
  Speaker 3: Because let me tell you what wasn't slow. that right
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: yeah 100 he's like he's throwing a dart and that
• 55:11
  Speaker 3: bitch go 50 yards down the field on a line
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: yes no no up just.
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: It's like how people used to talk about uh seeing
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: a pill of aspirin every time nolan ryan threw a fastball.
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: What am i supposed to do with this what am
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: i supposed to do.
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: With this uh The Ravens, I mean, they've got a
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: big coach story. They made the change.
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: I am shocked by the level of excitement that people
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: have about John Harbaugh coaching the Giants because there's a
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: reason they fired him.
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: And they were going to fire him eight years ago.
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: Except Lamar came in and saved his job.
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: Saved his job. Right.
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: So now they got a first year guy. They still
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: mentors a Harbaugh guy, right? Because the Harbaugh brothers, it's
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: really weird. They switched coaches between them. Harbaugh's not even
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: there and they went and got a Harbaugh guy. People
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: speak very highly of him. Remind me who they gave
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: the offense to.
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: Declan Doyle.
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: So I admit, all I know about him is who
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: his daddy is. That is not a positive.
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: I want to be fair to Declan because it seemed
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: like he was trying to carve out his own space.
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: But every time I see that last name, I'm like,
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: ain't that dude whose pops was?
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, his pops was the allegedly racist. Yeah, the allegedly
• 56:29
  Speaker 3: racist strength coach.
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: Dude talking about players locks in the weight room at
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: Iowa and where he going to send them back to.
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: I mean, they basically had a revolution. That actually worked.
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: Yes. The dude basically ended up on Urban Meyer's staff.
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Urban Meyer tried to hire him and they were like,
• 56:46
  Speaker 3: what the fuck?
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: Get this motherfucker out there. This is the big leagues, dog.
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: We ain't got to put up with this. There's people
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: in this locker room that will put their hands on
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: this man.
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, nah, partner, this ain't.
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: Like, in the pros, they can beat up the strength coach. Like,
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: in college, strength coach put their hands on you. In
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: the pros, they might got a chance.
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: It's an edge rusher offensive tackle right now. Like, I
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: could take that fine. That low conduct detrimental to the team,
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: I'll take that 200K fine.
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: The problem is, if you do beat up the strength coach,
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: ain't nobody really trying to tell you that you got fine.
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: And you can't tell me to do four sets of
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: nothing if I know it's somebody in here that's putting
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: hands on you, dog. You go get on that treadmill, boss.
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: talking to me about my weight.
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're a fat ass out of my face. But
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: I will say this, as much as you and I
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: think it's preposterous that people think that you're just going
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: to get another Lamar Jackson.
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: If I were Lamar Jackson, I would try to leave
• 57:44
  Speaker 3: no doubt about this.
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. Absolutely. This needs to be a 2023 type of
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: season for Lamar, 2024 type of season for Lamar, where
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: you can come back and say, at whatever the biggest
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: number is, you're going to add a couple million to
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: that and then hand that to me. For five, six years,
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: all right? We need to be talking about Mahomes-level deals.
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: I want something that I can give off to my grandkids' grandkids.
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: That's the type of money that I need.
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: Now, as we wrap this, the name that I did
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: not mention because I don't think they are a Super
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: Bowl contender, the best team in the league for the
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: last eight seasons, without question, has been the Kansas City Chiefs.
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes is coming off of an ACL tear after
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: what was clearly his worst season and the team's worst season.
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: He has not played as well in the last two
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: or three years as he had played in the four
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: or five previous. I don't think there's any question about that, though.
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: Some of that has to do with supporting cast. I
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: think that in this day and age, because ACL tears
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: are not as devastating as they used to be. I
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: think we undersell a bit that it is still an
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: ACL tear. There's still a process in terms of coming back.
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: I personally have no idea what we are going to
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: get out of him and his team that is getting old.
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: I don't think there's anything left of Travis Kelsey.
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: It ain't just the team. The man is not 26
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: years old anymore. He ain't 27 anymore. I kind of
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: had to recalibrate for a second after he signed his extension.
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh shit, that's right. This dude's going
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: to be in his mid-30s pretty soon. He's already over
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: that age 30 threshold and fresh off an ACL tear.
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: I'm not so quick to assume that anybody can be
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: like Tom Brady. coming off an ACL tear going into
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: their age 30 season.
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: I don't know what to expect, like what this Chiefs
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: thing is, because again, guys, you know, cats who are
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: ahead of the game and then the game catches up
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: to them.
• 59:41
  Speaker 3: Andy Reid, line one.
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: Yes, 100%. And sometimes it ain't even the scheme. Just
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: go look at the depth chart. You go look at
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: their depth chart and judge it up against some of
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: the other teams that we've been asking questions about whether
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: or not they should genuinely have expectations to win. the
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: Chiefs are worse than a lot of contenders across multiple
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: positions on both sides of the ball. And I think
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: that for all the, I think that there's been a
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: lot of conversation about, oh, we're bringing Eric Biennemi back
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: to be the offensive coordinator and that's supposed to improve
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: things and we're holding people accountable. I don't think accountability
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: is the problem. I think they have a guys can't
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: get open problem. I think they have a defense ain't
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: as loaded as it used to be problem. And now
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: we're still asking Patrick Mahomes to be a superhero. That,
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: to me, is a much bigger conversation than anything else.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: And you add on top of what you just said
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: with Andy Reid maybe kind of being left behind by
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: the current meta in this league because he has always
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: been an air raid. I want to spread it out,
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: get more passes off. We're going to be in the gun.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: All of that stuff has been much more of Andy
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: Reid's story for the last decade than ever trying to
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: keep up with what was going on with the Shanahan
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: and McVeigh tree.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, this– This is a truly fascinating NFL season.
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  Speaker 2: I think that is the best way that we could
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  Speaker 2: term it. I think we managed to get through all
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  Speaker 2: the teams. We got through all the quarterbacks. We did
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  Speaker 2: great work there, baby.
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  Speaker 3: That was, that was, that was.
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  Speaker 1: And got it done under an hour. That's a pro's work.
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  Speaker 3: With the Lakers.
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  Speaker 2: With those Lakers in there. That's what I'm talking about, man.
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  Speaker 2: Deontay Lee, check him out at Durango, covering football for them.
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