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Chuck’s Commentary - The Strait of Hormuz: Iran's Weapon Trump Didn't See Coming + FCC Chair Declare War On Press Freedom · The Chuck ToddCast

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  Speaker 1: My frustration. It's just a series of horrendous owners, and
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  Speaker 1: We saw it three years ago. Again, we see it now.
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  Speaker 1: thought I would share that little anecdote. I know we've
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  Speaker 1: got a lot of NCAA talk. I'm going to have
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  Speaker 1: a little bit of that at the end of the podcast.
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  Speaker 1: Let me lay out what to expect today. On this episode,
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  Speaker 1: we've we've we've drawn the inside straight and that is
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  Speaker 1: not a good thing in this war. We're going to
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  Speaker 1: talk all things straight of war moves and how this
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  Speaker 1: choke point could choke off whatever positives that the President
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  Speaker 1: was hoping to get out of starting this war with Iran.
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  Speaker 1: I got a fun little time machine and I just
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  Speaker 1: got a simple hint for you about the topic time
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  Speaker 1: Tom keeps on ticking ticking anyway, Sorry, just revealed my
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  Speaker 1: gen X rock and roll roots there, but time that's
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  Speaker 1: your clue. And like I said, I have a little
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  Speaker 1: bit of a few thoughts on the NCAA's pretty much
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  Speaker 1: we're coming up with. You know, we just finished the
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  Speaker 1: first of three fantastic weeks when it comes to college basketball,
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  Speaker 1: and we just wrapped up an incredible week. I've had
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  Speaker 1: a blast. There's nothing like working during the day and
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  Speaker 1: having muted basketball games on the TV during the afternoon.
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  Speaker 1: I am going to miss that Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday
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  Speaker 1: of next week, but we get a brief taste of
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  Speaker 1: that again Thursday and Friday. But let's dig in to
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  Speaker 1: the war because at this point, as much as you
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  Speaker 1: could say there are other things going on in American politics,
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  Speaker 1: there are other things going on in the world, but
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  Speaker 1: there really is. There is really only one story right
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  Speaker 1: now before everything else, because this story is going to
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  Speaker 1: has tentacles for everything, for the mid terms, for the economy,
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  Speaker 1: for the global political order, you know, for the weekend's
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  Speaker 1: developments just strengthened Russia in ways that I don't think
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  Speaker 1: any of us expected even with this administration. So needless
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  Speaker 1: to say, we are at an important pivot point here
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  Speaker 1: in this war. Two weeks in and the biggest story
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  Speaker 1: is no longer the bombing campaign itself, because militarily this
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  Speaker 1: has been a route, but militarily so is the Iraq
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  Speaker 1: war a route. Militarily at times, so is the nam
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  Speaker 1: a route. Militarily at times, it looked like the Russians
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  Speaker 1: are going to route the Ukrainians. But the minute you
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  Speaker 1: can make the war asymmetrical, when you can start to
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  Speaker 1: use the bigness against your as an overmatched opponent against
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  Speaker 1: the entity that supposedly is overmatching you. That's when you
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  Speaker 1: run into massive problems. And we are at potentially one
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  Speaker 1: of those points because we have a narrow strip of water.
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  Speaker 1: It's about twenty one miles wide. It's called the Strait
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  Speaker 1: of Hormuz, and it is now the single most important
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  Speaker 1: waterway in the world. The Strait is where Donald Trump's
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  Speaker 1: theory of this war is colliding with reality. This war
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  Speaker 1: was supposed to be fast, right, It's going to be easy.
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  Speaker 1: The Iranians were going to fold like that, right, it
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  Speaker 1: was going to be decisive. It was supposed to demonstrate
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  Speaker 1: overwhelming American power and force Iran to back down quickly. Right,
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  Speaker 1: just like what happened for him in Venezuela. They snatched
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  Speaker 1: the president. Immediately everybody around the president folds, and now
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  Speaker 1: he's got a puppet state. A little concerning that, there's
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  Speaker 1: no democracy and there doesn't seem to even be a
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  Speaker 1: plan for it. And by the way, if you're wondering
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  Speaker 1: that it's going to be I will have my ear
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  Speaker 1: tuned in a little bit at that when I'm at
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  Speaker 1: the game tonight between ben to hear and talk with
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  Speaker 1: some of my friends in the Venezuelan community. But we
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  Speaker 1: all want to focus on baseball, but I am going
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  Speaker 1: to be curious on that front. But I digress everything
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  Speaker 1: in Iran. And it's clear that what the president thought
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  Speaker 1: he could get away with what he had already done
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  Speaker 1: with Iran, that these guys were weak, We're going to cave,
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  Speaker 1: and that they were like him, very malleable, very transactional.
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  Speaker 1: He seemed to forget that Iran and this regime and
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  Speaker 1: has supporters that are similar to his supporters that are
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  Speaker 1: so blindly loyal. He could shoot somebody in Fifth Avenue
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  Speaker 1: and they go nowhere. So if he has built that
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  Speaker 1: kind of following in ten years, what does he think
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  Speaker 1: the Iranian theocracy has done over forty seven years. Bottom
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  Speaker 1: line is the straight of Warmus is now the place
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  Speaker 1: where this narrative is under the most stress. And now
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  Speaker 1: thanks to our friends at the Wall Street Journal, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the supposed friendly Wall Street Journal owned by the Murdoch
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  Speaker 1: but we've known they have really kept to their independence,
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  Speaker 1: and the Murdoch family ought to be praised for that.
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  Speaker 1: I mean in many ways that Murdochs are managing a
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  Speaker 1: more independent media, at least with the Wall Street Journal,
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  Speaker 1: than anything so far that the ellisents have done. But
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  Speaker 1: I digress. But according to their journal, before the US
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  Speaker 1: launched these attacks, the chairman of the Journey Chiefs, General
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  Speaker 1: Dan King, warned the President that Iran could respond by
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  Speaker 1: trying to shut down the Strait of Warmus. It is
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  Speaker 1: always been the concern. It has always been one of
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  Speaker 1: the biggest sort of deterrens that Iran had on keeping,
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  Speaker 1: you know, deterrent one. That's why they wanted nuclear weapons.
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  Speaker 1: They see what a deterrent It's paid off for North Korea, right,
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  Speaker 1: But the deterrent that they've had for most of the
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  Speaker 1: last forty seven years is the fact that they could
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  Speaker 1: easily shut down the Strait of Ormus and essentially choke
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  Speaker 1: off the world economy like that. So the President heard
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  Speaker 1: this warning from the from the from General Kane. By
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  Speaker 1: the way, General Kane been nothing but professional secondary head
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  Speaker 1: set anything but But I digress. But the warning, of
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  Speaker 1: course wasn't even hypothetical. It's it's been the central scenario
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  Speaker 1: in US war planning for decades. Iran has always understood
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  Speaker 1: that they cannot defeat the United States militarily. They've always
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  Speaker 1: known this. Their response was always the Strait of Ormuz
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  Speaker 1: because they can create enormous leverage by threatening the global economy,
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  Speaker 1: which is what they're doing at the moment, because the
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  Speaker 1: Strait of Ormuz is the lever to do that. Roughly
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  Speaker 1: a fifth of the world's oil supply passes through that waterway.
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  Speaker 1: It's one of the most important energy choke points on
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  Speaker 1: the planet. And Kane told Trump that Iran could demploy minds, drones,
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  Speaker 1: anti ship missiles to disrupt shipping. There everything we're seeing. Look,
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  Speaker 1: our military is top notch for a reason. The leadership
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  Speaker 1: knows what it's doing, the uniform leadership, but they report
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  Speaker 1: to a civilian leadership. And if your civilian leadership doesn't
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  Speaker 1: know what it's doing, that's where trouble arises. Now, Trump
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  Speaker 1: apparently he did acknowledge the risk. He understood it. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I see it. But according to the Journal, the president
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  Speaker 1: believed that Iran would likely capitulate before it tried something
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  Speaker 1: that drastic. What evidence he had in that is beyond me.
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  Speaker 1: But he just was convinced of this, that this forty
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  Speaker 1: seven year old theocracy would quickly capitulate. He knew the
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  Speaker 1: Cubans had been you know, we're on the verge of capitulating.
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  Speaker 1: We know this in Venezuela. But these are much different societies,
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  Speaker 1: much different societies than the Iranian theocracy. And then of
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  Speaker 1: course there's a bit of hubris here. He said, if
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  Speaker 1: Iran tried it, he really believed the US military could
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  Speaker 1: easily handle the situation. Well, maybe easily, doing a lot
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  Speaker 1: of work here. I got two words for you, ground troops.
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  Speaker 1: Let's put a pin in that. So what we're seeing
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  Speaker 1: is that this calculation that he took now is real life.
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  Speaker 1: Iran has not capitulated, and there doesn't seem to be
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  Speaker 1: evidence that they're going to capitulate anytime soon. You know,
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  Speaker 1: they don't see you know, look at the evidence. What
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  Speaker 1: going to the table now with the United States? I
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  Speaker 1: know the president every hour says, you know, this feels
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  Speaker 1: like you know him saying that, you know, like O. J. Simpson,
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  Speaker 1: he's going to find the real killers, or he's going
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  Speaker 1: to find the real Obama birth certificate. He says, irene's
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  Speaker 1: about that. You know, they want they want to surrender.
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  Speaker 1: There's just nobody there to surrender, are going to and
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  Speaker 1: you're just like, what part of this do you not understand? Right?
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  Speaker 1: You mean, look at how easy he's manipulated his own
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  Speaker 1: political base. It's only ten years old. I keep coming
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  Speaker 1: back to this because I just think this is this
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  Speaker 1: is just incredible lack of self awareness, you know, And
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  Speaker 1: you know, the biggest two mistake many American leaders have
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  Speaker 1: made over the years and decades has been assuming other
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  Speaker 1: people think like we do. And that's always the mistake.
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  Speaker 1: You've got to actually put yourself in their shoes. You
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  Speaker 1: cannot assume they're going to do what you believe is
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  Speaker 1: in their best interest. Straight up, harmon Hormons is the
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  Speaker 1: regime's most powerful leverage point in this war. And do
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  Speaker 1: you think they're going to walk away from it anytime soon?
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  Speaker 1: Ships have been stuck, Shipping traffic has slowed, Insurance costs
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  Speaker 1: for tankers have served. Oil markets are reacting violently. The
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  Speaker 1: war is no longer just a military story. It's an
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  Speaker 1: economic story, and it's a global economic story. In fact,
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  Speaker 1: just listen to how the president himself is framing the situation.
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  Speaker 1: After the US decided to strike Iran's carg Island. This
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  Speaker 1: is the hub of Iran's oil export infrastructure. Trump posted
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  Speaker 1: the following statement on truth Social He wrote, moments ago,
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  Speaker 1: my direction in the US United States Central Command executed
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  Speaker 1: one of the most powerful bombing raids in the history
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  Speaker 1: of the Middle East. He continued, our weapons are the
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  Speaker 1: most powerful and sophisticated that the world has ever known.
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  Speaker 1: And then he added this Iran has no ability to
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  Speaker 1: offend anything that we want to attack. There is nothing
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  Speaker 1: they can do about it. And yet they're not surrendered
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  Speaker 1: because there is something they think they can do about it.
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  Speaker 1: They can make this war incredibly expensive. They get to
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  Speaker 1: own the West instead of owning the Libs. You get
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  Speaker 1: my point here, right. You know you've always wondered why
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  Speaker 1: do certain partisans do do or say things or act
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  Speaker 1: what is not in their best economic interests? Right, This
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  Speaker 1: is not in Iran's best economic interest, But this is
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  Speaker 1: bigger than their economic interests, right. And you know, I
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  Speaker 1: keep putting this back to our extreme politics in this country,
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  Speaker 1: and when we wonder there's such devotion to it it's
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  Speaker 1: illogical at times. How come it's now pragmatism, okay, And
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  Speaker 1: then we wonder when we deal with a country that
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  Speaker 1: is run by an extremist. By the extremism, don't be
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  Speaker 1: surprised when there's a lot of devotees to the extremism.
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  Speaker 1: We know there's a lot of people that are fighting it,
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  Speaker 1: but there's still plenty of people devoted to it. So
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  Speaker 1: Iran can do something about this. They can make this
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  Speaker 1: more very expensive, they can make it global, they can
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  Speaker 1: make it politically painful, and they can do that without
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  Speaker 1: defeating the United States militarily. This is the scary part
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  Speaker 1: of this war. And this was right, the lack of
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  Speaker 1: sort of intellectual maturity between between Trump and Hagsath Propaganda Pete.
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  Speaker 1: We had in the first Golf War. We had Bagdad
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  Speaker 1: Bob and the crazy Saddam spokesperson who would say crazy things.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think any of us thought we'd have it,
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  Speaker 1: we would be the entity that had the propagandist, but
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  Speaker 1: we do. Unfortunately in Propaganda Pete, there was just some
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  Speaker 1: intellectual immaturity here. Just did not see it and in
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  Speaker 1: many cases perhaps saw it through too much of a
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  Speaker 1: religious prism. You know that they thinking this is some
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  Speaker 1: existential fight, fighting for Christianity, fighting for Western culture and
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  Speaker 1: Western civilization, which is you know, always gets you to
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  Speaker 1: make stupid decisions when you're making these ideological, less rational
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  Speaker 1: based decision making. And I do fear there was too
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  Speaker 1: much of that with some of the civilian entities here.
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  Speaker 1: The military guys have been nothing but doing followed orders.
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  Speaker 1: They've executed it as brilliantly as possible, they've warned of
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  Speaker 1: the fallout, and it's been essentially ignored by our civilian leadership.
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  Speaker 1: So welcome to the essence of asymmetric warfare, which, of
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  Speaker 1: course is a playbook that everybody has now around the world.
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  Speaker 1: It's a playbook arguably originally written by a bunch of
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  Speaker 1: renegade bandits in thirteen colonies in the United States in
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  Speaker 1: the late eighteenth century. Right, Asymmetrical warfare always can extract
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  Speaker 1: a high cost on huge conventional military powers. So that's
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  Speaker 1: what's happening here. When a weaker power confronts a stronger one,
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  Speaker 1: it rarely tries to win it conventionally, you're not going
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  Speaker 1: to win a conventional war. Instead, you try to stretch
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  Speaker 1: the conflict. You try to exact costs all over the place,
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  Speaker 1: not just at the front lines, but economically and politically
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  Speaker 1: so and guess what it's there's a great line that
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  Speaker 1: the Taliban used to use. You have the watches, we
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  Speaker 1: have the time as the expression that the Taliban would
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  Speaker 1: use all the time in Afghanistan, and that's essentially the
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  Speaker 1: way the extremists here with Iran in this regime. We
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  Speaker 1: have the watches. As far as they're concerned, they have
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  Speaker 1: the time, so they want to raise the cost. They
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  Speaker 1: want to turn time into the weapon. Aarn doesn't need
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  Speaker 1: to sink a single American aircraft carry to complicate this war, right,
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  Speaker 1: and we're sinking all sorts of good. They okay, we
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  Speaker 1: got rid of their conventional navy. They were never going
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  Speaker 1: to fight us with a conventional navy. All around has
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  Speaker 1: to do is to make the straight of horror moves
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  Speaker 1: dangerous enough that the global economy feels it. And that's
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• 20:25
  Speaker 1: understand why this matters so much. It does help the
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: look backwards because we've seen something like this before. So
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: in the late eighties, during the Iran Iraq War, the
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: Persian Gulf became the center of what was known as
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: the tanker war. Iran and Iraq both began attacking oil
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: tankers to try to disrupt each other's exports. Right, it
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: was trying to hit both of their economies. Eventually, those
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: attacks spread to ships belonging to neutral countries, and the
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: insurance markets panic, shipping companies reconsidered routes, and global energy
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: markets felt the shock. Now the United States eventually intervened.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: In nineteen eighty seven, the Reagan administration launched operations an
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: earnest will. It was called escorting Qaty oil tankers, with
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: putting American flags on them and escorting them through the Gulf.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: The idea was simple, protected commercial shipping, but protecting shipping
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: meant something else. It meant American warships operating constantly near
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: Iranian forces. So there was constant tension and there was
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: constant risk. And in eighty eight the US S Samuel B.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: Roberts struck an Iranian naval mind and those were rudimentary
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: mines in the Straightahom News then in the late eighties,
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: much more sophisticated drones and mines these days that didn't
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: exist then. But that mine almost sank that ship. Ten
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: shillers were injured. The US retaliated with what was called
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: Operation Praying Mantis, destroying several Iranian vessels. The history matters
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: because convoy protection missions rarely stay small. You start by
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: escorting ships, then you must protect the escorts, Then you
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: must suppress the threats to the escorts, and suddenly the
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: war grows larger than the one you started. Welcome to
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: Mission Creep. And that brings us back to today. The
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: Pentagon is already moving additional marines and naval assets into
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: the region. Ships from the USS Tripoli Amphibious Ready Group
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: and the thirty first Marine Expeditionary Unit are both headed
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: towards the Middle East. Marines are arriving in the theater.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: Do that mean they're going to be ground troops? Well,
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: we'll see. If the objective becomes securing the strait of
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: Oar moves, well, the mission changes dramatically. Now you're talking
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: about escort operations, you're talking about mine clearing missions, anti
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: drone patrols, protection of commercial vessels, suppression of missile batteries
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: along Iron's coastline. Protection of the force is protecting the
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: shipping and that is where the mission creep starts to
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: become real because once the objective becomes keeping shipping lanes open,
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: the timeline expands, so do the risks. And now the
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: consequences of this aren't limited to the battle. They're already
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: spreading across the global economy. Look at the Gulf States.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: For years, countries like Saudi Arabia, the Ue, Bahrain, Qatar
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: have tried to transform their image not just as oil exporters,
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: but tourism hubs. Many of you have probably seen the
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: advertisements over the last few years, you know, talking about
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: coming to Dubai and Abu Dhabi and you know, being
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: able to experience. They're basically trying to pitch themselves against
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: the Pacific islands in the Caribbean, right, and they want
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: to be this other part of the globe where you
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: would go to seek warmth and enjoy tourism. They're also
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: becoming huge financial centers, big entertainment destinations, particularly with the
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: individual sports right either the mixed martial arts you see
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: as a huge presence. Tennis and golf have big presence
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: Formula one. They've poured enormous sums into makeup projects, sporting events,
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: cultural spectacles, all designed to show the world that the
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: golf is stable and open for business. Formula one races
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: in Bahrain and Saudi Arabia perfect example. They're not just
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: sporting events, they're global branding exercises. They signal that this
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: is a modern era, this is a stable place, and
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: they give the golf global prestige. But now the war
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: is disrupting that narrative. Formula one had to cancel its
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: April races in Bahrain and Saudi Arabia because of the conflict.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: You know, that tells you if it conflict and in
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: tomorrow they couldn't rebuild the infrastructure in time to do
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: this right, So already this is not just an economic
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: blow to the region, this is an image blow that's
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: going to take years to recover from, not weeks, not months, years, Okay,
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: Formula one pulling out sends the message far beyond sports.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: It signals uncertainty and instability, undercuts the basic economic transformation
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: the golf governments have spent years promoting and remember these
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: golf States at the same time were simultaneously encouraging the
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: United States and Israeli to take care of their Iranian problem.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: So I'm not going to sit here and have one
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: hundred percent empathy for them on this because they essentially
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: wanted Israel in the United States to do their security
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: dirty work for them. They want to confront Iran, but
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: not on their terms. They'd rather see the air then.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: They don't like how the US and Israel and I
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: understand that it may not like it, but they're the
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: ones that have that have been encouraging this the most,
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: particularly the Saudis on this. They were very encouraging and
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: now they see, oh, this thing's so good. No it's not.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: But we have a real world example of a massive
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: economy of a nuclear power collapsing in a matter of weeks.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: If we're not Carol careful, it's Pakistan. Pakistan imports roughly
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: eighty five percent of its crude oil from Saudi Arabia
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: and the UEE, and guess how it comes through routes
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: connected to the Strait of Hormus. If those routes become unreliable,
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: of which they are right now, Pakistan's fragile economy feels
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: the impact immediately. Fuel prices rise, food prices rise, energy
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: short shortens, energy shortage is worsened. So now you have
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: a war that was centered in the person Gulf, affecting
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: the economic stability of a nuclear armed country thousands of
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: miles away who was in the middle of its own
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: kinetic I don't know what you want to call this,
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: but essentially kinetic conflict with Afghanistan at the moment, but
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: the Taliban government there. Now you add Europe to the
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: equation because this was the huge blow to freedom around
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: the world that happened over the last seventy two hours,
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: and that was the president's decision to lift temporary lift
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: oil sanctions on the Russians, I mean, just a disastrous
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: decision for freedom in Ukraine. Does higher oil prices benefit
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: Russia and its war machine? When global energy prices rise,
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: Russian oil revenue rises with them, and that means the
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: war in Iran is now indirectly strengthening Russia's financial position
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: in its war against Ukraine in a massive way. European
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: governments are already struggling to sustain the military and financial
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: support for Kiev, and now the Russians just got a
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: financial shot in the arm. Thanks about President of the
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: United States, by the way, and a meeting with the
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: G seven. Apparently six countries were against this, one was
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: for it. So now we've got a conflict in the
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: Persian Gulf, reshaping strategic calculations all across the entire European continent.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: We've got the potential, we've got we're in the middle
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: of it appears to be a growing military crisis between
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: Afghanistan and Pakistan. And now you've got Pakistan's economy could
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: collapse again. It's a nuclear power, right, and the economic
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: implications aren't going to stop there. The straight of or
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: Moves crisis threatened something that American voters feel very quickly. Inflation.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: Energy prices ripple through the entire economy, transportation costs, manufacturing costs,
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: food costs, air travel, shipping. If oil prices remain elevated
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: for weeks or months, that pressure shows up everywhere, and
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: that creates a political challenge for Donald Trump. So even
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: if this conflict doesn't trigger a formal recession, it could
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: easily produce something voters experience just as intensely, and something
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: they've been experiencing now ever since COVID rising. Prices and
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: economic uncertainty. You know, when you mess with the shipping lanes,
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: when you mess with the supply chain, when you mess
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: with the energy markets, the American consumer feels it quickly,
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: so which means that this war is not just a
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: foreign policy gamble, it is an economic gamble. Markets are
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: still one of the few checks that actually seem to
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: work on presidential decision making in American politics right now,
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: at least with this president. But here's the thing. Just
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: stopping declaring victory and stopping isn't necessarily going to get
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: Iran to stop screwing with the straight of ormus. And
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: that's the problem he's got here. Now, there's one more
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: dimension to this story that I want to touch on,
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: and it's one that I've vacillated about whether to touch
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: on because it's clearly a manufactured story to try to
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: distract from what was questionable civilian decision making to launch
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: this war in the first place. Okay, over the last
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: seventy two hours, the Chairman of the FCC, Brendan Carr,
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: has it eventually declared regulatory war on the broadcast press.
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: He wants to eradicate freedom of the press completely, cars
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: invoking a long standing legal concept known as the public
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: interest standard. Broadcast stations operate on public airways. It's the
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: affiliates that technically operate on the broadcast airways, not the
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: overall networks themselves. And BC doesn't have the license. Its
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: affiliates have the license. Okay, so the law does require
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: them to quote serve the public interest. So what's the
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: public interest? Freedom of expression, freedom of the press. It's
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: all in the First Amendment. I think it's pretty easy.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: We know what public interest is. But Carr now is
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: trying to reinterpret that standard through a political lens. So
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: on Saturday, he posted that broadcasters running what he called
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: quote hoaxes and news distortions what he labeled fake news,
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: have a great chance to quote correct course before their
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: license renewals come up. Interesting. Then, in a CBS interview,
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: he went further. He said broadcast licenses are not a
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: property right, they are a privilege. He said broadcasters have
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: grown too comfortable assuming the government cannot take those licenses away,
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: and he suggested that the FCC must enforce patriotic standards
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: of truth in wartime. Wow, patriotic standards. Look, we went
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: through this ship in World War two and it. You know,
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: it is one of the black marks on World War Two.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: Let's not pretend that this was a good thing. Okay,
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: It's one thing to ask movie makers to to to
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: make movies that, you know, show the Americans in a
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: good light and help explain how bad the Nazis are.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: I think that that that's one thing, but it's another
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: to actually start censoring the news. There was no censoring
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: of the news, but that's what he wants to do here.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: Patriotic standards of truth in wartime, this is this is
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: putin bullshit. This is Russian today, this is our t ship.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: And you know, I don't know what to make of
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: Brendan Carr. I mean, I think he's not a dumb man,
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: but he's really acting like a political clown. And this
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: is just you know, some of these people that perform
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: just for the audience of one, and which is what
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: this is, to performance for an audience of one. There's
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: no serious story here. There shouldn't be. And if he
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: actually attempts this, I mean, he's so undermining the constitution
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: that it will just get killed in the courts. But
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: it's normalizing this garbage that we ought to be fighting
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: and that's why it's an extraordinary statement. The chairman of
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: the SEC is essentially saying that a broadcasters air reporting
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: that the administration considers false. And remember what propaganda petes
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: definition of what's false is, it's stuff that he doesn't like.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: Doesn't make it false. It doesn't like the tone of coverage.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: You know, that's what an authority regime does, not a democracy.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: But he's threatening regulatory consequences. And here's the thing. Car
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: knows that the corporate owners of these entities are spineless
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: and effeckless fools, and they'll all rollover because they already have.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: Because legally, Car can't simply shut down a network. The
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: FCC licenses are individual stations, not networks, so revoking a
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: license requires a hearing, evidence and a vote by the
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: full Commission. But he does have a Republican majority in
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: the FCCA, and he can launch investigations, and the investigations
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: themselves can create pressure. Right, it's coercion, it's extortion, essentially,
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: it's it's sort of government extortion. Corporate boards, we know this.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: They hate regulatory fights, they hate uncertainty. And if a
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: network's coverage triggers FCC scrutiny, and by the way, the
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: broadcast networks, whatever's left of these big four, of these
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: big three and a half news divisions. I don't know
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: where to put Fox here, because their news divisions mostly
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: out of their cable outlet. They really don't much stuff
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: on their national network. They do for big specials, but
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: not often. So mostly we're talking about ABCNBC and CBA
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: there are shells of their former selves. They they're barely doing.
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: They're doing like ten percent of the coverage that they
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: did even three or four years ago. This is really
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: going to put pressure and it's clear what they're doing.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: This Next Star Tegna merger that's taking place, that's going
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: to combine and create the largest owner of individual TV
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: stations in the country. He's and you know, Next Star
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: is buying Tegna, and Next Star has been playing the
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: right wing foot seat and been doing little performative virtue
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: signaling in order to get this quick regulatory approval. And
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: we've seen, right, I mean, look, the the you know,
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: the the biggest, biggest mistake that was made was what
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: Bob Eiger did in settling the Stephanopolis lawsuit. Totally. What
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: it did is it made all three broadcast networks capitulators.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: It stained them permanently, and this is why the rise
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: of a dependent media is become stronger and stronger. It's
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: now a self fulfilling prophecy. Right, the more Brendan Carr
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: manipulates the public and creates these false right wing narratives,
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: the more these broadcast networks capitulate, and the more they
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: do nothing, and they come across as feckless fools. And
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: it's unfortunate. There's some good journalists there and the smart
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: ones are leaving. You kind of have to leave if
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: you want to keep your integrity because it's clear the
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: corporations aren't going to allow journalists to keep their integrity here,
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: and that's unfortunate. But you know what, maybe we'd be
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: better off to not have corporate shareholder impact where the
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: government regulatory process can impact freedom of speech and freedom
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: of the press. But it's clear Brendan Carr is hoping
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: to do that, to use corporate extortion to essentially get
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: propaganda on the airways, and it aligns closely with proposals
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: that were outlined and that's so called twenty twenty five
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: blueprint for government. The idea is to reinterpret the phrase
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: news distortion as a failure of character qualification under the
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: public interest standard. So it's not censorship, is what car
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: and his supporters would argue. It's regulation. Doubtful the legal
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: theory would survive real serious judiciary scrutiny. First Amendment creates
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: an extremely high bar here. But again, the investigation itself
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: is the point, right. But I have to imagine the
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: reaction if Barack Obama has suggested that Fox News needed
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: to quote correct course on wartime reporting or risk it's
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: broadcast licenses the right wing pitchforks. They'd already be stabbing
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: people to death. The outrage would have been deafening. The
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: principle would have been obvious, and I'd have been right
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: there with them. Government officials cannot threaten the press over
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: coverage of war propaganda. Pee can do everything he can. Here,
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: he's making a fool of himself. And you know what's
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: also ugly, what President Trump and Haig Seth doing to
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: celebrate the destruction. There's no celebration in destroying anything. It's
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: a sad consequence of diploma of a failure of diplomacy.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: And it may be a ron's failure of a diplomacy,
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: but it's tragic that this is happening. It's not something
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: to celebrate, to intersperse with football highlights, to drag professional
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: athletes into this, It's sick and gross. Pete haiks Seth
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: should be so fired, so impeached. So just absolutely this
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: is he is an embarrassment to what he's doing, and
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: he is. I assume many uniform military folks are just
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: appalled at the behavior of propaganda Pete. So the government's
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: narrative is being tested most directly by one place on
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: the map, the strait of war moves this look. Yes,
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: the president can complain that the press isn't celebrating its
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: military victory enough, but what were your war aims? Your
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: war aims have not come to fruition yet. Iran has
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: not capitulated. There is not a new regime. And if anything,
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: terrorist threats against Americans are now up, not down. This
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: was supposed to limit the terrorism. Now it's expanding it.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: We had two attacks over the last seventy two hours
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: in this country. Wanted old Dominion, wanted a synagogue in Michigan.
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: I don't think our leaders have properly prepared Americans that
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: this is now something we all have to live with
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: being a Jewish American, it is not new to me
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: to have security in and around synagogues. We've been doing
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: this for years. We spend millions of dollars a year
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: for security. This very small group of people has to
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: spend all this money on our own. Ditto with those
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: that practice is in this country. The majority religions haven't
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: had to do this, but have had to do this,
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: so we know firsthand the impact of threats of terrorism.
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: This administration is not prepared the country for this, and
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: I do fear that this war has already essentially launched
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: two terrorist attacks in this country. This is the fallout,
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: This is the risk of doing this, and the President
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: did nothing to prepare the country for this, did nothing
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: to rally the country or prepare us for the consequences.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: We all have to live with the consequences. We in
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: a free and independent press have to report on the
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: actual reality and what's happening here, and the fact that
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: the administration doesn't want the truth to come out should
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: scare the shit out of all of you. I apologize
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: that I've been a little four letter wordy, but I'm
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: trying to get the FCC's attention right. I'm borrowing the
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: old seven words of George Carlin, so we may say
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: them all. I'm not going to say the f wort,
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: but it's this is look, I vacillated about how hard
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: to come at car because he's like taken stupid shots
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: at me. And I know there's some funny graphic rolling
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: around that like claimed that Trump purged me from NBC
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: and Lester whole. I mean, it's kind of amusing, but
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: you know there is some truthiness. Right. A lot of
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: us felt we couldn't practice independent journalism anymore and it
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: was just useless to stay if you want to do
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: your job. And that's a real decision that many a
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  Speaker 1: journalist is having to make right now. But I believe
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  Speaker 1: in our constitution and above all, because if it goes away,
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: you know, then it is the rules of the jungle.
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: I don't want the rules of the jungle. I like
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  Speaker 1: our constitution and I'm going to fight to the death
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: to support it and defend it and explain it. So
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: all of you know all of the rights you really
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: have here. The good news is Brendan Carr's threats will
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: go nowhere. The courts will stop him. I know what
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: you're thinking. All the courts have been manipulated a little bit,
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: not that much, not that much. Okay, the courts are
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: definitely more pro business than ever before. I'm not gonna
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: sit here and say that the corporate America has a
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: more friendly court system today than they did fifteen years ago.
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: But on the basics of our rights on speech, I
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: don't think this is going to go This is going
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: to go well for him. But just the ability to
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: scare you, the ability to distract, and this is well.
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: Like I said, I hesitated getting involved because it the
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: fact is, they just want a distraction from what is
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: uncomfortable reality of this war. It's been a tactical military success,
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: but if you don't achieve the aims of the war,
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: what is the success. What have you gotten for your efforts?
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: And right now we are getting higher prices, we are
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: getting a more unstable glow, we are getting more threats
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: of terrorist attacks. The President owes the American public and explanation.
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: Why paying higher prices and being less safe is the
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: price to pay for this war? Trust me, I want
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: the Iranian regime gone. It has been a singular scourge
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: on free people that live in Israel in particular. But
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: it's been. They've been, They've been a scourge. The golf
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: has been trying to develop for years, and the Iranians
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: have tried to prevent that from happening. This is not
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: a good regime. And I shouldn't say the Iranians this regime,
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: just like I don't like when people say the Americans,
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: it's this administration. A new regime would absolutely be has
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: to be better for the world than this regime. But
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: there's cost and this president did nothing to explain the costs,
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: and he apparently ignored civilian leadership, excuse me, military leadership
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: when they told him the honest truth about how hard
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: victory was actually going to be. All right, let's stick
• 43:18
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• 44:04
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• 44:07
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  Speaker 1: is a fun one, I said. The theme to this
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  Speaker 1: time machine is time, and it's when time stopped being local.
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: So if you traveled across the United States in eighteen fifty,
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: the time changed constantly, not because you crossed time zones,
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: but because every town kept its own time. Noon was
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: simply when the sun reached its highest point in the sky.
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: Travel west and noon came a few minutes later. Travel east,
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: and it came a few minutes earlier. Each town set
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: its clock literally by the sun right for centuries. The
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: system worked pretty well until modern life made it nearly impossible.
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: And on March nineteenth, an anniversary will be celebrating later
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  Speaker 1: this week. On March nineteenth, nineteen eighteen, so just over
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: one hundred years ago, Congress passed the Standard Time Act,
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: officially creating national time zones in the United States. And
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: you know, okay, it sounds bureaucratic, but it was one
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: of the quiet revolutions that made modern life that we
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: all enjoy today possible. So the time before standard time,
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: what was that like? Well, for most of human history,
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: timekeeping was both local and natural sundials, church bells, town clocks.
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: Mechanical clocks eventually made time keeping a bit more precise,
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: but they didn't standardize time. Each town still ran on
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: solar time, and by the mid eighteen hundred to the
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: United States had hundreds of local time standards, and that
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: didn't matter until what the arrival of the railroads, We
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: got the railroad problem. Railroads created the first truly national
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: transportation network. That's great, railroads require precise schedules, but the
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: country was still operating on hundreds of local clocks. By
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: the eighteen seven, the United States had more than three hundred.
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: That's right, three zero zero, three hundred different local time zones.
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: Chicago alone reportedly had twenty one different local times. You know,
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: it's amazing. At Marshall Field it's twelve oh five, but
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: at Wrigley Field it's twelve ten. But I digress. But
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: in all honesty, it was it all dependent on which
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: railroad station you were standing in. And you know they
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: were at a crossroads to Chicago, so they were all
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: sorts of railroad stations. Coordinating trains under those conditions wasn't
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: just confusing, it actually was dangerous. And in fact, like
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: everything in our country, it takes injury harm to the
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: populace before we do something. But it is worth noting
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: the man who imagined global time, and I want to
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: give a shout out to the intellectual architect of standardized time.
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: His name was Sanford Fleming. Fleming was frustrated by chaotic
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: railroad schedules, and in the eighteen seventies he proposed dividing
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: the globe into twenty four time zones, each representing one
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: hour of Earth's rotation. Today the idea feels obvious, Well duh,
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: somebody had to see it first, So let's give old
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: Sanford Fleming the shout out here at the time. It
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: was a radical idea, and instead of every town keeping
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: its own solar time, entire regions which share a single clock.
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: Railroads actually decided to adopt Fleming's logic before the governments did,
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: and so on November eighteenth, eighteen eighty three, American railroads
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: private entities imposed standardized time zones. The government was not involved. Eastern,
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: Central Mountain, and Pacific the four main time zones of
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: the continental United States. On November eighteenth, they were born
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: thanks to the railroads. Railroad station synchronized clocks using telegraph signals.
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: In many towns, people experience what newspapers called the day
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: of two noons. First came noon according to the Sun.
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: Then railroad officials reset the clocks. Suddenly it was noon again.
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: Some people simply adjusted their watches. Others were a bit
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: more upset about it. As you know, we always debate
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: these time zone issues, and we've been debating them since
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: we decided to do this. Critics called it railroad time,
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: and that wasn't a compliment to them. It was corporations
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: dictating the rhythm of daily life. See, we're always angry
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: at big entities back then in the nineteenth century is
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: big railroad. Some clergy even denounced it as unnatural, using
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: religion to weigh in on things. Again, some things never
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: change in our politics right. One sermon warned that the
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: railroads were trying to change the sun itself. What engineers
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: saw as efficiency, others saw as an attempt to rewrite nature.
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: Then the dangers became undeniable. In eighteen ninety one, two
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: trains approached each other near Kipton, Ohio. The system depended
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: on precise timing. One train was supposed to clear the
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: track before the other arrived, but the engineer's watch had
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: stopped for four minutes. That tiny error caused a head
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: on collision. Eight people were killed. The accident shocked the
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: railroad industry. Investigators concluded the problem wasn't just scheduling, it
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: was timekeeping itself. Railroads began enforcing stricter standards. Engineers had
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: to carry certified railroad grade watches. Those watches had to
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: meet exact specifications. They had to be open face pocket watches,
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: not hunting case watches with lids, because opening a lid
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: wasted precious seconds. The pocket watch anyway, they had to
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: remain accurate to within thirty seconds per week, and they
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: were inspected regularly by certified railroad time inspects. How about
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: that for your bureaucredit. See some jobs do get eliminated
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: as technology goes over time. We used to have people
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: who did nothing but inspect watches at railroad stations, and
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: now we have the atomic clock. I got ahead of
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: ourselves here, but anyway, it is fun to remind people that,
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: you know, jobs get taken away and jobs get at it.
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: You just never know. Railroad safety now depended on something
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: incredibly small, a watch ticking correctly in a conductor's pocket. Meanwhile, scientists,
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: we're trying to build a global system of an agreed
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: upon time, if you will. In eighteen eighty four, an
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: international conference adopted Greenwich Meantime GMT. You've probably seen it, well,
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: it's the world's prime meridian. Navigation, astronomy and global commerce
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: began coordinating around that single shared clock. But everyday life
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: in America was still governed by railroad practice rather than
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: federal law now entered daylight saving time. Daylight saving time
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: is an unusual origin story. Yes, Ben Franklin joked about
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: it in the seventeen hundred, So our friends at at
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: the movie National Treasure, and in that little one liner
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: that was correct history. But the modern campaign came from
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: a gentleman named William Willett, the British builder who believed
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: shifting clocks forward would give people more usable evening daylight.
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: Will It spent years promoting the idea. He died in
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: nineteen fifteen, one year before daylight saving time was adopted
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: in Europe during World War One. He never got to
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: actually see his idea implemented. But look what triggered governments
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: getting involved in time World War One? Back then, of course,
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: it was just the Great War. War finally forced governments
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: to act. Or one required massive industrial coordination. Railroads moved troops,
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: factories produced weapons. Energy had to be conserved, and the
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: fuel that powered industry was coal. Officials believed shifting clocks
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: forward would reduce evening lighting demand and save millions of
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: tons of coal. Germany adopted daylight savings time in nineteen sixteen,
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: and other countries quickly followed suit. Hence, March nineteenth, nineteen eighteen,
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: when the United States entered the war, that's when Congress
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: formalized the system. The Standard Time Act officially recognized the
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: four time zones already used by the railroads, and it
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: introduced at the same time nationwide daylight saving time, so
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: for the first time time itself became officially federal infrastructure.
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: Now the farmer myth Today many people think daylight saving
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: time was created for farmers. Oh no, the opposite is true.
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: Farmers were amongst its strongest opponents. Their work followed the sun,
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: not the clock. Cows didn't care what Congress said the
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: time was they needed milking when the sun came up
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: hard stop. So when the war ended, opposition grew quickly,
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: and Congress repealed daylight saving time. In nineteen nineteen. President
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: Woodrow Wilson vetoed the repeal. Wilson believed daylight saving time
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: improved productivity, and according to several contemporary accounts, he also
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: enjoyed the extra evening daylight for golf. Congress overrode is
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: veto Obviously, not enough golfers, yet in Congress, they wouldn't
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: have done that today, would they. Daylight saving time disappeared
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: nationally until World War Two. World War two, daylight saving
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: time returned. This time it stayed year round. From forty
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: two to forty five, the country operated on quote wartime.
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: When the war ended, local choice returned and chaos followed.
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: By the nineteen fifties, the system had become wildly inconsistent again.
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: Cities adopted daylight saving time, nearby towns rejected it. One
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: bus route reportedly passed through seven time changes within thirty
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: five miles. Businesses struggled to coordinate schedules, so Congress had
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: a step in again, the Uniform Time Act. Nineteen sixty six,
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: Congress passed the Uniform Time Act, standardizing when daylight Saving
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: Time begins and ends nationwide. And they've been tinkering with
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: this sucker ever since. We used to have it six
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: month and six months now. Of course we've had the
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: mission cree right, keep it longer and longer and longer
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: till eventually they're going to try to bring it all
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: back again. But I'm going to get to that in
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: a minute. But the law they passed in sixty six
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: did still allow states to opt out, which is why
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: even today Arizona still does not observe daylight saving time.
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: It is for half plus another month of the year
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: on one in the Mountain time zone, and then they're
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: in the Pacific Time Zone for the other part. Why
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: does not observe daylight saving time. The Navajo Nation inside
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: Arizona does observe daylight saving time. Indiana spent decades split
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: between time zones before standardizing statewide daylight saving in two
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: thousand and six, but even today standardized time contains a
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: bunch of local exceptions. Now, though it was we did
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: one more experiment, a year round daylight saving time. We
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: tried it again in nineteen seventy four during the original
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: oil crisis. Obviously, the idea was energy conservation, but winter
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: mornings became dangerously dark. Officials called the ending called for
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: ending the experiment. Florida, remember home to two cent marko Ruby,
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: was the lead center of trying to get trying to
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: go to standardize time zone. But ironically it was Florida
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: where there was an incident that triggered getting rid of
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: the year long daylight saving Officials called for an ending
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: the experiment after eight kids were killed in traffic accidents
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: in a single month, all while waiting for school buses
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: before sunrise. Within a year, the policy it was indeed abandoned.
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: So for most of human history, time belonged to the
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: sun and the local town and the clock tower. However,
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: you built your clock tower. Railroads imposed coordinated time for
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: obvious reasons, War forced governments to actually have to regulate
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: it for even more obvious reasons, and ever since politics
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: has been arguing about how the clock should work. Ever since.
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: Today the world's clocks are synchronized not by the sun
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: or by the railroads, but by atomic clock so precise
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: they lose only a second every hundreds of millions of years.
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: But the principle remains the same. Whoever controls the clock
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: quietly does shape daily life, work hours, markets, transportations, and
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: even sleep. Which is why this debate is never going
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: to end, regardless of what Congress does, whether they continue
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: to do the mission creep of daylight saving and the
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: ridiculousness right now of all the darkness in the morning
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: for so many of us on the East Coast, and
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: all of the messing with everybody's body clock. What's funny
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: is that the older you are, the less you care
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: about daylight in the evening hours, and the younger you are,
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: and the more you look forward to the daylight in
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: the evening hours. At least that's the way I remembered
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: it as a kid. Either way, time doesn't stand still.
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: Now doesn't all right, I had to try one bad
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: dad juke there at the end. There you go. There's
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: your history lesson for the week. Everything you needed to
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: know about time. Ask Chuck. All right, just a few questions, Uh,
• 1:00:04
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• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: Jay new York, and he wants them. This is a
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: five timer. He has too many good questions. So that's
• 1:00:12
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• 1:00:14
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• 1:00:16
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• 1:00:18
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• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: populist Graham Platner continues to lead in polls and earn
• 1:00:23
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• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: Semitic narrative. As a friend to the Jewish community, I'm
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: concerned about the moral implications of elevating someone with his
• 1:00:32
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• 1:00:34
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  Speaker 1: unique race. PS. If you answer this, I'm officially in
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  Speaker 1: the five time club. Keep me in mind if you
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: ever do any five Time merchandise. I think, look, I
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: need to mess around with this merchandise idea. And so
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: we are officially considered this a We are officially NASA
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: and Lauren we are gonna do merch Okay, there's too many,
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: but we're only going to do fun stuff. Podcast time Machine,
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: five Time ass Chuck. I kinda I kind of dig
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: this because it's it falls under the category if you know,
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: you know, if I can do this without losing losing
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  Speaker 1: my shirt? Literally, we are going to do this because
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: this is too much fun. I don't know it's the
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  Speaker 1: simple answer here. I vacillate on this. I think there's
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  Speaker 1: a lot of there's a part of me I think,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Unfortunately, if you don't live in a community
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: with many Jewish people or many Muslim people, you don't
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: learn much about Islam and you don't learn much amount
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: of Judaism. And I accept the premise, you know, I
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: sort of you know, I was I lived in a
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: Jewish bubble, and I didn't fully appreciate that I lived
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: in a Jews bubble. Growing up in Miami. You know,
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: it was not uncommon that there were six or eight
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: of us celebrating Hanukkah, not uncommon that there were a
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: bunch of us, you know, doing Passover. So I never
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: felt I knew I was in the minority, but I
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: never felt isolated. And I say this because if you so,
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: there's a I want to have, I think that it's
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: I think if you're young and dumb and you and
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: you say some things, you get a tattoo, it shouldn't
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  Speaker 1: shouldn't mark you for life if you don't. If you're
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: somebody who's educating yourself as you go out through life,
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: and you sort of you know, we've got to allow
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: people to evolve and get smarter and the more they learn, right,
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: you know, I think we do a terrible job of
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: educating people about the Middle East. You've heard me rail
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: about and I put my money where my mouth is.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: I mean, one of the inspirations for my whole Time
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: Machine segment is by frustration over how people teach the
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: Middle East, how poorly we've taught World War one, how
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  Speaker 1: poorly we've taught about the fall of the Ottoman Empire.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: Most people think the Middle East began in nineteen forty
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: eight with a partition, and it just so. I mean,
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: in many ways, my obsessions with teaching more history and
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: connecting history with what's going on now are at the
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: are at its roots this issue and a guy who
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: grew up without knowing any Jews, and when you don't
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: grow up knowing a minority group at all, it becomes
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: a lot easier to turn them that minority group into
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: a two dimensional figure in your brain. And then it's
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: astonishing that once people meet people from said minority group
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: that they've never met, then all of a sudden they
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: see these you see each other as three dimensional figures,
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: and then suddenly the stupid hate notes away. There can
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: be some caricatures and still some stereotypes that don't go away,
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: you know, like the insistent, you know, the constant reminder
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  Speaker 1: of how of which wealthy people happen to be Jewish?
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  Speaker 1: What about the wealthy people that aren't Jewish? Does that
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  Speaker 1: indicate the Christians control all this money? So it's a
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  Speaker 1: it's a really uncomfortable when when people go down that road.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think they realize how they're indicting than anybody
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  Speaker 1: from any faith, any group of people anyway. It's just
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  Speaker 1: it's very disturbing when it's done, and it's obviously done
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  Speaker 1: for some it's a way to try to turn working
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  Speaker 1: class and poor people who may not know everything about
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  Speaker 1: the entity, about what's being debated, automatically against an entire
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  Speaker 1: group of people. So I say all that in that
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: what Graham Platner thought and did years ago should be
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: a data point, not the data point. It's how he
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  Speaker 1: responds to the attacks. It's how he reassures members of
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  Speaker 1: the Jewish community and members of any minority community that
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: he hasn't agree with, whether they should feel comfortable that
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  Speaker 1: he's going to represent their interests. Now, you know a
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: lot of this, a lot of this timing matters here, right,
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  Speaker 1: What's what's going to be the focal point? I The
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: question is in most campaigns, who's it going to be
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  Speaker 1: a referendumunt? Is this a referendum on Trump? Is this
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: a referendum on Platner? Is this a referendum on Collins?
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  Speaker 1: And ultimately, which campaign is able to write she wants
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  Speaker 1: to make it a referendum on Platner. If Platner gets
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: a nomination, Mills wants to make it an electability argument,
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: which about Platner, which only but it doesn't fix the
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: perception of the problems that some in the in the
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  Speaker 1: Democratic base had with her. So it could be a
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  Speaker 1: problem if he's a bad candidate. It's not a problem
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  Speaker 1: if his if he's truly evolved from the guy who
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: had the Nats who decide who made the decision to
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: get the Nazi tattoo right? Is that you know, it's
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  Speaker 1: sort of like who is the real grand Platner. We're
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: gonna the campaign itself will expose this. Campaigns are MRIs
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  Speaker 1: for the soul, not just presidential campaigns, but pretty high
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  Speaker 1: expensive campaigns are. So ultimately we'll we'll learn from Platner
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  Speaker 1: and we'll see how he handles this. I've been I
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: would give him about a C minus so far in
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: handling this. He's he's done the bare minimum. But I
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: don't I think they're trying so hard to avoid it
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: that it because I think they're they don't have I
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: think he's changed the explanation a couple of times, which
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: then doesn't help the situation. But It's also very possible
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: that he could not manage this well and still win.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: That's how much I think this becomes a referendum on
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: Trump into a less or so on Collins. So, now,
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: if there's a high profile attack on Jews that take
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: place in October and the way things are going, the
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: likelihood of that is not low. Unfortunately, that could change.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: That could change things in this race. Right, That's one
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: of those where how things play out could change things.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: But in some ways I think he has not inoculated
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: himself enough on this issue. Next question comes from Lauren
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  Speaker 1: mm hey. Thanks for introducing us to the Perfect Neighbor documentary.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: I was very impressed with their ability to string together
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: bodycam video pretty seamlessly into a comprehensive storyline. I was
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: also impressed by the professionalism and kindness of the police
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: towards the community. What a sorrowful story, but an important
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: one to share in Lauren m Lauren, That's exactly the
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  Speaker 1: impression I got, And I understand. You know, we had
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: this long debate with the filmmaker about how should you know?
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  Speaker 1: And I think I think various people view the behavior
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: of the police in different ways, and but it it
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  Speaker 1: doesn't matter. I mean, I think it's I think to
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  Speaker 1: me it was a reminder why body footage should be
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  Speaker 1: a necessity and there shouldn't be any law enforcement without
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: it and all times, and there's no doubt, right incentives.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: When you have good incentive structures, your behavior changes, and
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: these police officers have good incentive structures and their behavior
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: whether you know. I think it's a reminder that I
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: think ninety five percent of police officers, you know, their
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: intent is to keep calm. Their intent is to be
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: a member of the community, not an enforcer of law
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: inside the community. Right, So I'm with you. I think
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: that's it's a tragic story. I think there's reminders of,
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: you know, how institutional racism does play can play itself
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: out into society and ways that we don't fully see,
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: but you kind of have to experience this. But just
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: going through it and realizing, you know, the world that
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: that woman was raised in and the war and it
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: just it's it's tragic, but it was. It was just
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: such a wealthier I'm so glad you enjoyed it. And
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: this just makes me go, I continue, you know, because
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: these aren't always the best interviews for the utube algorithms, right,
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: that sort of thing. But this is why I want
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: to keep fighting to get these important conversations in the
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: audio space. Brian from Marlington, Virginia rights, Hey, I live
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: in Virginia, but loved your recent top five Texas state
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: y racist. Perhaps you'll add this small twist to the
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: Bush the bench Benson honorable mention story in a future telling. Yes,
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: George HW. Bush lost that Senate race to Benson, but
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: he got more than even Bush Quail Pete to cockas
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: Benson in the eighty eight US presidential election. Absolutely, Brian,
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: I mean, you gotta love the fact that they faced
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  Speaker 1: off twice, right, Like, it's just such a you know,
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: I just love those little I'm with you that thread.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: You're right, that was like the thread I think was implied,
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: but I didn't say it directly. It's a it's a
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: great it's you know. That's why I love history. I
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: love the I love how everything is connectedly one large
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: family tree of American history. Last question before I keep
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: going to a quick little uh my advice for filling
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: out here into DOAA bracket. This comes from Luke and
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: he writes, happened to notice Trump's post on troop social
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: today lotting his ability to change the American media landscape,
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: and I noticed you happen to be featured. Yeah, congrats
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: to me. I think listeners know your opinion on the
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: administration's meddling in the free press by now. But I'm
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: curious how you feel about the President taking credit for
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: your move to independent media. Seems the Post is suggesting
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: that he's removed your influence in public discourse, among others.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: But I wonder if you feel your reach has grown
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: or shrunk since the move. Independent media has certainly allowed
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: you to speak more freely, and I, for one, have
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: loved the change. Should I thank Trump? I guess thanks
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: for everything you do. Luke. You know it's funny. You
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: know you're like, well, thanks for caring, mister president. I'm
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: so glad you cared. It's I will tell you how
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: I know that I've gotten some really good traction. So
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: for last summer through say, you know, September October, I'd
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: run into people who would say, hey, I miss you
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: on Meet the Press? What are you doing now? Over
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: the last three months pretty much since election Day twenty
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: twenty five. You know, it's just sort of how I
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: can tell it's building. It's like, hey, I miss you
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: on Meet the Press, but I love what you're doing. So,
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: you know, like everything, it takes time to build. But
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: in some ways, I mean, thank you, mister President. Incredible
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: endorsement of why you can't trust you know, they're trying
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: to extort the corporations that that that own broadcast media.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: He's acknowledged that I was one that spoke truth to
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: power and they didn't like it, you know, I mean
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: it is nobody had ever successfully you know, I'd all
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: the attacks by sort of the right wing, you know,
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: sort of message machine, you know, you're your sort of
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: your dumbasses, right the Fox and Friends world and Hannity
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: and O'Reilly back before there was an O'Reilly, you know,
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: the ones that were just sort of like paint by
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: numbers there. Every attack on me never was substantive. It
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: was always a derivative of, oh, I know a Democrat,
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: or I'm related to a democrat, or I'm married to
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: somebody who's in partisan politics, or i'm there were always
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: these derivatives. There was never they never there was never
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: the actual substance of what I did, and nobody would
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: ever say I was an unfair interviewer. They couldn't even
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: say that either. So it was always an attempt to
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: do guilt by association, guilt by association if I had,
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: if I interacted with people in the other political party,
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: guilt by association where I work, guilt by association. And
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: it was always just sort of ham handed, and it
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: was it was done in such a way that never
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: hurt my credibility. It only enhanced it. And this, I mean,
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: my goodness, thank you, mister president. I mean, what a
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: way to enhance my credibility as an independent journalist to
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: note that you that you're you're claiming you are manipulating.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: I mean, if I am at one of these broadcast networks,
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: I hate what he did because he's put everybody in
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: a terrible position. And again I urge the CEOs of
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: these major corporations that own these broadcast news divisions to
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: grow a frickin' spine and stand up and say, hey,
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: I don't always like what they report, but I'm never
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: standing in the way of what they're doing. Get out
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: your big boy pants and put them on all right.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: Stop capitulating, Stop settling bullshit lawsuits, mister Haiger, stop spinning
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: off cable channels just to appease regulators, mister Roberts. And then,
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: of course, you know what the ellisids are doing is
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: classic virtue signaling that the the worst of all worlds
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: we know's going to come as soon as there's a
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: new administration. They're just going to cut loose the entire
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: news division anyway and get rid of it. And not
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: what the headache, you know what, please just sell the
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: news divisions. Just sell them, allow for truly independent board
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: of directors, independent ownership. We cannot have anybody who can
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: be extorted by any entity in government, whether it's a
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: left wing government or a right wing government, not if
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: we want to protect what we care about as freedom
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: of the press. So anyway, I was amused, and at
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: the end of the day it was in many ways,
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: and I viewed it as an endorsement. So thank you
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: for noticing, thank you for the question, and thanks for
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: the support and the growth, because this is how we
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: rebuild a trusted information ecosystem and I'm proud of what
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: we're doing. So thank you, And with that, let's get
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: to some serious business filling out your bracket. Look, I'm
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: going to be very careful here here's what I will
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: just tell you. I know everybody will tell you there's
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: always a thirteen seed that you have to contemplate, and
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: you know, usually, boy, those twelve five matchups are always tough,
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: and you got to take a tw This is going
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: to be a chalky year, Okay. I put it this way.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: I am The last thing I'd want to be is
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: a seventh seed or higher in this tournament because if
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: you're facing a one or two seed in the second round,
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: you are screwed. The number ones and number twos are
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: so much better. There's a couple of stats you need
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: to be paying attention to. Just it is okay to
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: get chalky with your brackets. And here's why. There's some
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: great analysis that this year's Bubble Teams was the worst
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: set of Bubble teams that have been in contention, meaning
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: these essentially some of these teams wouldn't have even been
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: on the bubble in previous years because their records aren't
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: not that good. I'm looking at you, Auburn, their metrics
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: aren't that great. Like it just you know, look, you
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: got to put sixty eight teams in and there's always
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: you know where it will get up. And yes, I'm
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: for ninety six. In case anybody's asking whatever it is,
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: I think ninety six would would would would take you
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: to another adding another thirty two. So I am in
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: favor of it personally, but I don't think you're going
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: to see i'd be. I am highly doubtful. Put it
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: this way, I am not betting on a single double
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: digit seed to make it to the sweet sixty. Maybe
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: a one seed loses in the second round, but I
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: don't buy that either. This could be the year the
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: all ones and twos make it through the first weekend
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: and a lot of the And if you tell me
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: you know there are more threes and fours than there
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: are fives and six as it wouldn't surprise me either.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: It's the top ten is as strong as it's ever been,
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: least amount of losses compared to previous top tens, and
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: the bubble teams are The point is, you know, and
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: the reason I'm saying this out loud because I'm one
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: of those it screws up my brecket every year by trying.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: I always picked the wrong twelves, the wrong thirteen, the
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: wrong elevens. I'm right that there's a couple of elevens
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: that get there or twelve or that. What I'm saying
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: this year is I'm avoiding those double digit seeds like
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: the plague. That's my one piece of advice for you
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: on that. My rooting interest. In case you're wondering, it's
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: always GW basketball first before Miami Basketball, and we had
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: a fun little run, should have beaten in Saint Louis,
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: blew a big lead. It's the story of my time
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: with GW. I can't tell you how many times in
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: key critical games that GW is blowing a double digit lead.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: I'm still still upset about one, going back to the
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: NCAA tournament in the early nineties against Iowa, I think
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: we blew a fifteen point lead with less than five
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: minutes ago in a game in a first round matchup
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: when Doctor Tom and I think it was doctor Tom
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: Davis as the coach back then who never lost a
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: first round matchup. It seemed any time it happened, we
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: were the one that he should have lost and it
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: didn't happen. But that's always my primary. After that, it's Miami,
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: and then after that I will tell you of the
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: big top two seeds. You know, I'm kind of pulling
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  Speaker 1: for Houston. I kind of feel like they're the elite
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  Speaker 1: team that gets no respect. They're there every year, they
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  Speaker 1: seem to always get there. They can't quite Calvin Sampson
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  Speaker 1: can't quite get that ring. What more, you know, he's
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  Speaker 1: one of the few guys that seems to have transitioned
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  Speaker 1: from the previous era of how you do college basketball
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  Speaker 1: to this era of how you do it. They always
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  Speaker 1: play gritty, they're tough, they're physical. It's not always the
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  Speaker 1: prettiest game. But I find myself I'm kind of you know,
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  Speaker 1: and you know, I know most people either like to
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  Speaker 1: root against Duke. I don't have those strong feelings about
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  Speaker 1: Duke that others do. I strong feelings are always reserved
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  Speaker 1: for one and one school only, and it's the school
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  Speaker 1: that is in the most unfortunate geographic region in the
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  Speaker 1: state of Florida, the armpit of Florida of the Peninsula.
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  Speaker 1: It is Gainesville, the University of Florida, which of course
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  Speaker 1: means they're likely going to win back to back titles.
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  Speaker 1: But with that, there's my unofficial advice for how to
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  Speaker 1: manage your bracket. I know I'm telling you to be chocky. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: be chocky, be chocky. I will say this, I don't
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  Speaker 1: trust yu Kon. They seem flawed looking backwards. It's amazing
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  Speaker 1: Duke didn't win last year. It feels like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: it feels like we're inevitably going to see some sort
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: of Duke Michigan rematch here. They seem to be up
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  Speaker 1: and above, But boy, the Big twelve. What I love
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  Speaker 1: about this tournament is that I can't wait to see
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  Speaker 1: some of these Big twelve teams play a few of
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  Speaker 1: these ACC teams and Big ten teams, and all four
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  Speaker 1: Power four conferences are going to have eight or more
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  Speaker 1: in this sucker. How many have three or more left
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  Speaker 1: by the second weekend that will determine prominence. It feels
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  Speaker 1: like it's the SEC that's going to take the beat
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  Speaker 1: down this year. That there's only Florida and maybe Vanderbilt
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  Speaker 1: has the capability of getting to the eight. Maybe Vanderbilt.
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  Speaker 1: I kind of like them. You know, it's hard to
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  Speaker 1: call somebody that's essentially a top twenty five team a
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: dark horse there in Vandy, but that's probably the only
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: other SEC team. You know, you never want to rule
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: out Calipari at Arkansas, But I think the SEC is
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  Speaker 1: the conference that gets. You know, there's always one conference
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  Speaker 1: that you know falls on its face in the first
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: first two rounds. Maybe I'm hoping it's the SEC because
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: I love rooting against them as an ACC guy. But
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: in all honesty, I the SEC seems the most vulnerably.
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  Speaker 1: They're the lead, They're the lead. He's top heavy of
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: the conferences there. And I will say this, I do
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: think the ACC is getting disrespected that the idea that
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: only gets to be a high seat and none of
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: the other schools anyway, Just think all the ACC schools
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: feel like they're all seated about a slot too low.
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  Speaker 1: But they've been punished for what was a bad year
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  Speaker 1: last year. You know that stuff matters, even if they
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: say it's not supposed to matter. All right, enjoy the tournament,
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  Speaker 1: Enjoy the next two next two weeks which are amazing.
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  Speaker 1: I'll see you election night Tuesday night, Primary night in Illinois,
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  Speaker 1: and of course right back here on Wednesday morning.