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WHO WOULD ATTACK THE INAUGURATION? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: The clot is taking down to the inauguration, and right
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Speaker 1: now across our country and of course in DC, everyone
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Speaker 1: is on high alert after the debacle, the attack on
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Speaker 1: our US Capitol by American citizens, not a threat from
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Speaker 1: overseas by American citizens. What will unfold God forbid tomorrow.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friends at CBS. This is
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Speaker 1: called an NSS or a National Special Security Event. This
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Speaker 1: is the highest security designation that any event can have
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Speaker 1: here in the United States, and security has led by
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Speaker 1: the Secret Service. I've been covering these since two thousand
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Speaker 1: and one, and what makes this different is the way
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Speaker 1: in which the secure purity footprint has been expanded around
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Speaker 1: the capital and the number of days that security perimeter
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Speaker 1: is in place. And of course, as you see here,
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Speaker 1: the very visible military security presence, up to twenty five
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Speaker 1: thousand National Guard will be here in Washington. And the
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Speaker 1: objective of government officials is to create a deterrent, to
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Speaker 1: harden this target in order to give a disincentive to
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Speaker 1: those who might want to commit violence. On Wednesday, you
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Speaker 1: were hearing our friend Katherine Harritchet, CBSC, Senior Investigative correspondent,
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Speaker 1: in preparation for tomorrow, this is what we don't want
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Speaker 1: to happen. Listen, you look at old this on You'll
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Speaker 1: just you know, want Jackie stop it. I can't stand
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Speaker 1: to hear it. Not a threat from abroad, our own
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Speaker 1: fellow Americans attacking our capital, the symbol of our government
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Speaker 1: that we all believe in. Yes we question it, Yes
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Speaker 1: we may not like it sometimes, but it is our government.
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Speaker 1: With me right now and all start panel. First of all,
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Speaker 1: Wendy Patrick, California prosecutor, author Red Flags at Wendy Patrick
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Speaker 1: PhD dot com. Host of Today with Doctor Wendy KCBQ,
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Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst Beverly Hills at Doctor Bethany Marshall
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Speaker 1: dot com. Starve a brand new Netflix series, Bling Empire.
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Speaker 1: A very special guest joining me. Colin P. Clark, director
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Speaker 1: of policy research at the Sufan Group, focusing on domestic
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Speaker 1: and transnational terrorism, international security, geopolitics, author of After the
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Speaker 1: Caliphate at sufangroup dot com. And Scott Taylor, a national
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Speaker 1: award winning investigative reporter for WJLATV ABC seven in DC.
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Speaker 1: Scott Taylor, first to you, I understand there are more
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Speaker 1: National Guard, more troops in DC than there have been
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Speaker 1: since the Civil War. What does that feel like, Well,
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Speaker 1: it feels if you're in the Red Zone that you're
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Speaker 1: basically in a prison dancy, and that's what I'm calling it,
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Speaker 1: the red Zone. They've developed multiple boxes. You have to
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Speaker 1: go through multiple security and show credentials to get closer
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Speaker 1: to the US Capitol where the riot happened, or the
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Speaker 1: White House, or even on the National Mall. We're talking
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Speaker 1: about fifteen plus city blocks. They started just with ten
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Speaker 1: last week and I went down there. Then they expanded
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Speaker 1: to another five. That's really less than seven percent of
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Speaker 1: a city that has over seven hundred thousand people. But
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Speaker 1: we're talking about seventy five streets that are closed, four
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Speaker 1: tunnels shut down, eight bridges. Most of the bridges closed
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Speaker 1: this morning. The Key Bridge is one of the only
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Speaker 1: bridges you can go from Virginia into DC. Right now.
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Speaker 1: They've got huge concrete barricades up and those checkpoints, and
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Speaker 1: what's really startling is the large dump trucks that they
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Speaker 1: have right in the middle of streets. And as you mentioned,
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Speaker 1: those twenty five thousand National Guardsman military vehicles assault rifles.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I was just shocked. Nancy went in front
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Speaker 1: of a Starbucks. There was a National guardsman there with
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Speaker 1: an assault rifle in her tactical gear. Now, I do
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Speaker 1: want to mention if people are worried about some inside threat.
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Speaker 1: The FBI they've been doing multi layer background checks on
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Speaker 1: the soldiers and you can see the soldiers walking around.
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Speaker 1: But after they passed that, they passed that layered background,
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Speaker 1: they actually will get a special credential and don't have
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Speaker 1: to flash that too to get closer to the capitol
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Speaker 1: as well. Wow, Scott Taylor in the Thick of It,
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Speaker 1: joining is from DC WJLA TV ABC, And now to
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Speaker 1: our special guest, Colin P. Clark with the Sufan Group. Colin,
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Speaker 1: it's it's wonderful to get to speak to you. I've
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Speaker 1: been so impressed with all you've had to say so
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Speaker 1: far regarding security in DC. After living through nine one
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Speaker 1: one in New York the morning of the attacks on
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Speaker 1: the World Trade Centers and investigating the bomb, I'm still
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Speaker 1: a prosecutor at the time at now Centennial Park during
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Speaker 1: the Olympics in Atlanta. You know, I think I've seen
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Speaker 1: it all, but I haven't seen near what there is.
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Speaker 1: After that attack on our capitol, I was just stunned.
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Speaker 1: I was left in tiers about how Americans could attack
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Speaker 1: our own capitol. Whether you disagree or agree with the election,
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Speaker 1: still I was stunned. What do you believe is the
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Speaker 1: single most devastating threat facing us for tomorrow? Oh, well,
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Speaker 1: there's a lot, and thanks again for having me. I
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Speaker 1: think you know, there's there's clearly a threat from domestic
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Speaker 1: terrorism that's been apparent to us in the counter terrorism
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Speaker 1: field for years. We've been, you know, attempting to kind
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Speaker 1: of raise the alarm bells, as it were. We've we've
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Speaker 1: produced numerous, you know, white papers and reports, and in
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Speaker 1: my community, weird, I'm just a trial lawyer. What do
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Speaker 1: you mean you've produced numors white papers? What's that? Sorry,
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Speaker 1: like a policy paper looking at what we think are
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Speaker 1: the most pressing security issues for the United States of America. Now,
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Speaker 1: as you know in your reference nine to eleven, for
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Speaker 1: the last twenty years, we've been narrowly focused on the
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Speaker 1: threat from salafijihataest groups like al Qaeda, like ISIS, like
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Speaker 1: their respective affiliates around the world, and for good reason.
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Speaker 1: We were hit hard at nine to eleven, and those
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Speaker 1: groups and very much still present a threat to global security. However,
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Speaker 1: We've done that at the cost of ignoring threats that
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Speaker 1: have been percolating on our own soil. We've now seen those.
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Speaker 1: You know, a lot of people said this is the
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Speaker 1: logical culmination of the last four years, but I disagree.
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Speaker 1: I actually think we're at the beginning of something. I
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Speaker 1: think we're potentially entering a golden age for domestic flat extremism.
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Speaker 1: You know just what I don't want to hear twenty
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Speaker 1: four hours before the inauguration of our new president. And again, Colin,
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Speaker 1: I know you, but you don't know me. I'm not
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Speaker 1: a Republican, I'm not a Democrat. I'm an American. I
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Speaker 1: frankly don't trust any politician. I think they're all lying.
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Speaker 1: So I cannot be accused of partisanship because I hold
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Speaker 1: them all in general contempt. But I tell myself an
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Speaker 1: equal opportunity hater, I don't want things to go wrong
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Speaker 1: at this inauguration. You know, we've heard so much about
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Speaker 1: how this makes us look abroad, this attack on the Capitol.
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Speaker 1: God forbid anything goes wrong tomorrow. That's not my main concern, Colin.
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Speaker 1: I'm not that concern about what some other country may
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Speaker 1: think about the US. But my big concern is the
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Speaker 1: safety of everyone at the inauguration. So how does Biden
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Speaker 1: and Harris get there? How are they going to get there? Well,
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Speaker 1: I think so. We often said in my time at
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Speaker 1: their incorporation, where I spent ten years doing work for
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Speaker 1: numerous US government agencies, including the Department of Defense and
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Speaker 1: the Intelligence community. We're not in the business of getting
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Speaker 1: bad people good ideas. So I'm a bit hesitant to
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Speaker 1: talk about, you know, exact plans writing. We've already seen
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Speaker 1: in the forensics of what happened at the Capitol. Individuals
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Speaker 1: were mapping out and planning what they sought to do,
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Speaker 1: So I think to go into specifics on that would
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Speaker 1: probably be irresponsible. Tell me this column. Are there underground tunnels?
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Speaker 1: Very likely? I don't know, And I'm curious. Do you
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Speaker 1: think Biden and Harris will go on there the regular
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Speaker 1: walk to the White House in the open after the inauguration.
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Speaker 1: I don't know. I'd be surprised that they did. There's
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Speaker 1: a lot you mentioned, the deterrent factor and National Guards
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Speaker 1: out and force. There's a lot that you do see,
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Speaker 1: and that's by design. There's also a lot that you
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Speaker 1: won't see, and that's also by design and that's important
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Speaker 1: to keep in mind as well crime stories with Nancy Grace. Guys,
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Speaker 1: so we are talking about the impending inauguration. Everyone is
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Speaker 1: setting a prayer and holding the breath that everything goes
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Speaker 1: off as planned tomorrow. Great, great security measures have been taken. Again.
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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. Thank you for being with us here
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Speaker 1: at Fox Nation in series M one eleven. Take a
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Speaker 1: listen to our friends at CBS. Based on a discussion
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Speaker 1: I hit earlier today with the US government official. When
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Speaker 1: you look at these intelligence bulletins from FBI, DHS, other
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Speaker 1: government agencies over the last ten days, there a single conclusion,
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Speaker 1: which is that the greatest threat to the inauguration doesn't
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Speaker 1: come from foreign terrorist organizations, but rather from domestic violent extremists.
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Speaker 1: They use this law enforcement acronym DVSE. And what these
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Speaker 1: assessments point to is conditions that have created this environment
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Speaker 1: for violence. For example, the deep political divisions in this
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Speaker 1: country and questions in some people's minds about the legitimacy
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Speaker 1: of the presidential election. Then there are racial overlays as well,
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Speaker 1: and then the ripple effect of the COVID nineteen desks
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Speaker 1: and lockdowns, and the intelligence Bulletins assessed that this has
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Speaker 1: created the perfect environment for individuals who in the past
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Speaker 1: might have sat on the sidelines and not acted out,
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Speaker 1: but it's allowed them, almost like fuel onto a fire,
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Speaker 1: allowed them to cross that threshold to violence and act out.
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Speaker 1: And I think what's most important is that these intelligence
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Speaker 1: assessments see the threat from domestic violent extremists or DVASE
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Speaker 1: really extending well beyond. January twentieth, to doctor Bethany Marshall,
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Speaker 1: psychoanalysts joining us from Beverly Hills, star of a new
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Speaker 1: Netflix series Bleeding Empire, Doctor Bethany, the word that Catherine
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Speaker 1: just used emboldened. I believe this attack on the Capitol
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Speaker 1: that has just gone down may embolden these DVEs domestic
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Speaker 1: terrorists essentially to act at the inauguration. And doctor Bethany,
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Speaker 1: you and I have talked about domestic terrorists and these
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Speaker 1: obscure fringe groups and many times, and I just always
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Speaker 1: had envisioned them as a bunch of drunk guys or
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Speaker 1: running through the woods on the weekend with their guns
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Speaker 1: in their hands and their shirts off, having a kegger. Essentially,
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Speaker 1: that's not what it is at all. And why is
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Speaker 1: she our friend from CBS, stating that the attack on
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Speaker 1: the Capitol, amongst other things, emboldened people, may embolden people
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Speaker 1: to act out in a criminal way tomorrow. Nancy, there's
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Speaker 1: a copycat phenomena. I mean, emulating the behaviors of others
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Speaker 1: is such an important part of our development as human beings.
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Speaker 1: It's what allowed us to survive as a species. As children,
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Speaker 1: we look to our parents, we emulate their behavior, we
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Speaker 1: model ourselves after them. But unfortunately, like a cancer cell,
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Speaker 1: this has gone awry. From a social political perspective, where
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Speaker 1: people who have a little grain of fear, which then
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Speaker 1: turns to anxiety and intolerance for ambiguity, then it turns
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Speaker 1: to hate, then it foments as homicidal intent. They build
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Speaker 1: each other up, they share tips, they talk to each
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Speaker 1: other online, and they emulate each other's behavior. Look at
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Speaker 1: the twelve step book group, look at AA. It may
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Speaker 1: seem like a silly example, but one of the things
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Speaker 1: we know from a mental health perspective that helps people
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Speaker 1: stay sober or engage in good behavior is talking to
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Speaker 1: other people and emulating the behaviors of others. That's the
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Speaker 1: number one healing. Basically, it's a practice we've learned since childhood,
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Speaker 1: since before we can remember prosecuting felonies. I always noticed
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Speaker 1: how the pet mentality would set in. Once one person
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Speaker 1: did it, then everybody else would follow. That was of
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Speaker 1: that friend of mine. But what's so amazing to me
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Speaker 1: back to you, Colin pe Clark joining us from the
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Speaker 1: Stufan group. Take a listen to our cut twenty seven
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Speaker 1: seemingly ordinary people, not these friends group nuts that she
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Speaker 1: would expect to show up in full tactical gear, but
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Speaker 1: for us as a realtor. Listen. The documents include pictures
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Speaker 1: showing a woman Investigators identified as Ryan from another angle.
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Speaker 1: She circled in red, just inside the doors, holding up
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Speaker 1: her phone. Moments before the YouTube video ends, she says
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Speaker 1: this here, I'm not going any further. I don't need
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Speaker 1: to go. Father. Ryan has an active Twitter account. One
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Speaker 1: tweet mentioned in the documents, posted just before six pm
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Speaker 1: the day of the riots, reads quote, we just stormed
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Speaker 1: the Capitol. It was one of the best days of
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Speaker 1: my life. You know what, it's just almost too much
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Speaker 1: for me to take kid to Scott Taylor, Award winning
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Speaker 1: investigative reporter at w j LATV ABC seven, They're in DC.
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Speaker 1: You have to watch out not only for the so
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Speaker 1: called home grown terrorists that Colin P. Clark is telling
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Speaker 1: us about. You gotta watch out for the white bread
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Speaker 1: girl with the long blonde hair trying to plug her
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Speaker 1: realty business as she's storming the capitol. Yeah, y'a also
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Speaker 1: have to watch out for a mom and a son
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Speaker 1: who show up in DC. They're captured on video outside
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Speaker 1: and inside the Senate chamber. Eric Munchell he's the son,
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Speaker 1: and Lisa Eisenhart the mom. Eric is in court two
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Speaker 1: day this morning in DC. And you might remember, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: he was a guy who was in the Senate chambers
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Speaker 1: with Zip Tie I believe it or not. And let
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Speaker 1: me tell you both were arrested in Tennessee. And I
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Speaker 1: don't understand a mom and her son doing something like
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Speaker 1: this together. I mean, how does a mother go along
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Speaker 1: and push her son, go along with her son to
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Speaker 1: commit a felony. Yeah, you know, Nancy, I think that
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Speaker 1: we've all sort of come to the consensus that when
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Speaker 1: you are in the middle of a riot, a mob
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Speaker 1: mentality seems to take over your logic, your better judgment.
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Speaker 1: And when you talk about this copycat behavior, you know, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: you and I have dealt for years with this, aske has,
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Speaker 1: doctor Bethany and some of our other guests. Takes a
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Speaker 1: combination sometimes of provocation and predisposition. It's a toxic combination.
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Speaker 1: But what you see here, when you have parents taking
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Speaker 1: their kids to a riot that's stilled into the Capitol,
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Speaker 1: has got to be more than that, because you can't
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Speaker 1: simply argue that anybody here was predisposed necessarily except that,
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Speaker 1: like you said, you're taking this lesson from the rest
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Speaker 1: of them, Bob, which is the worst circumstances under which
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Speaker 1: you can make a decision that has been life changing,
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Speaker 1: unfortunately for so many of those protesters. Magic Colin P. Clark,
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Speaker 1: director of Policy and Research at the sifan group focusing
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Speaker 1: on domestic and transnational terrorism. Take a listen to our
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Speaker 1: cut number fourteen and this is our friend Jeff Begauz
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Speaker 1: at CBS Niece. Listen. In all the chaos that day,
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Speaker 1: someone stole a laptop from the House Speaker's office. Investigators
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Speaker 1: say they are looking for Riley June Williams, who was
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Speaker 1: now a Fusian court Papers show how investigators track the
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Speaker 1: Pennsylvania women's movements all the way into Pelosi's office. They
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Speaker 1: also say that they got a tip that she intended
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Speaker 1: to send the computer device to a friend in Russia,
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Speaker 1: who then planned to sell it to Russia's Foreign intelligence service,
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Speaker 1: but that through to Colin P. Clark, right, the SI
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Speaker 1: fan group. Colin here, you've got this girl, by the way,
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Speaker 1: she was just arrested running from her mommy's house, willing
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Speaker 1: to sell or give Nancy Pelosi's laptop to the Russians.
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Speaker 1: How do you prepare for somebody like her, Colin Tomorrow. Well,
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Speaker 1: there's a couple of things to mention here. One, we've
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Speaker 1: long known that the Russians has been a major counterintelligence threat,
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Speaker 1: so this, you know, actually runs in parallel with a
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Speaker 1: lot of the analysis that we've producing. We've been producing.
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Speaker 1: The second part is it gives you some sense into
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Speaker 1: what these people consider to be patriots. That's all I
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Speaker 1: heard was I'm a patriot. Let's go patriots. They're actually
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Speaker 1: attacking the US government and the capital and threatening to
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Speaker 1: hang the vice president. So in what world are these
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Speaker 1: people patriots? Nancy? You mentioned education before, you're talking about school.
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Speaker 1: I think what we've seen is a clear failing of
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Speaker 1: the US education system. These people don't know basically history.
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Speaker 1: They have no idea what happened. They talk about the
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Speaker 1: Second Amendment that they have no idea what the fifth
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Speaker 1: and seventh Disinesses aren't constitutional scholars, and I don't blame
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Speaker 1: them for that. I don't fall them for that. But
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Speaker 1: they're learning history through means, and that's really dangerous and
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Speaker 1: we're seeing the result of that when you know, when
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Speaker 1: they use this type of rhetoric, crime stories with Nancy Grace,
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Speaker 1: guys countdown to the inauguration, and whether you love him
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Speaker 1: or hate him, Biden is our president now, so get
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Speaker 1: in line, fall in line. That's the deal. The behavior
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Speaker 1: at the US capital will not be tolerated with me
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Speaker 1: an all star panel to figure out how we're going
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Speaker 1: to protect the inauguration. Take a listen to Tom Lama's
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Speaker 1: a BC. Thousands of National Guard troops are on duty
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Speaker 1: in Washington. By Wednesday, there will be twenty five thousand troops.
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Speaker 1: Four bridges into the city will be closed, the streets
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Speaker 1: are deserted, storefronts are boarded up, Much of the National
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Speaker 1: Mall is closed. The FBI saying that last week's attack
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Speaker 1: likely emboldened domestic extremists, and tonight a new arrest. Media
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Speaker 1: personality Tim Jeannette, known as Baked Alaska, allegedly spotted on
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Speaker 1: video inside the capitol chanteam quote, patriots are in control.
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Speaker 1: And Jenna Ryan, the Texas real estate broker who flew
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Speaker 1: to DC in a private plane, now asking for a pardon,
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Speaker 1: saying she doesn't feel guilty because she thought she was
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Speaker 1: following the president. And it's not just Washington on alert tonight,
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Speaker 1: at least ten states activating the National Guard. You know
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Speaker 1: what I hate, Colump Clark and Scott Jail. I don't
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Speaker 1: want everybody Doctor Bethany Wandy Patrick to weigh in on
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Speaker 1: this is the categorizing of these criminals that attacked Capitol,
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Speaker 1: categorizing them as what was said going out to they'll
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Speaker 1: go home and eat it olive garden and stay at
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Speaker 1: the holiday inn, suggesting that they're what lower middle class
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Speaker 1: an educated number one. I really resent that because my
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Speaker 1: dad and mom struggled their whole life to help us
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Speaker 1: get through college and graduate school and more graduate school,
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Speaker 1: and there's no way to categorize who these people are.
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Speaker 1: More importantly, forget about might hurt feelings? What about the inauguration?
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Speaker 1: Columpy Clark, who are these people? That are joining together
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Speaker 1: to try to thwart our country. You've got this realtor,
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Speaker 1: you've got to judge his son, You've got that idiot
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Speaker 1: baked Alaska. People from all walks of life joining together
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Speaker 1: to attack our country. How can you prepare for that tomorrow?
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Speaker 1: It's difficult. And I've also, you know, heard these people
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Speaker 1: referred to as rubs and rednecks and you know, all
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Speaker 1: sorts of it's not I think what it shows you
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Speaker 1: is that the what what what I would call the
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Speaker 1: far right, far right extremists of this country. And that's
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Speaker 1: a very broad tent, to very broad umbrella, and there's
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Speaker 1: numerous subcategories in there, and we could talk about any
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Speaker 1: of those. But I think at any you know, since
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Speaker 1: since at any point in recent memory, this this movement
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Speaker 1: has become more diversified geographically, uh, socioeconomically, and demographically. And
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Speaker 1: I think what we saw, you know, the capital was
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Speaker 1: a cross section of people from the United States, and
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Speaker 1: I think, you know, we also we've been having this
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Speaker 1: discussion and it would be disingenuous if we didn't mention
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Speaker 1: the role of the president, because the president has falsely
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Speaker 1: claimed the election was stolen. He's refused to concede, and
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Speaker 1: he's cast a Biden inistration is illegitimate, which it's not.
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Speaker 1: And he essentially has been the main provocateur firing these
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Speaker 1: people up and unleashing them. So well, you know, that's
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Speaker 1: an interesting thing. And I'm more concerned about the security
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Speaker 1: of the inauguration and the president elect than I am
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Speaker 1: about who did what. But as far as stirring up
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Speaker 1: the seemingly normal citizens to attack our capital. But I
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Speaker 1: do know this, Wendy Patrick, California Prosecutor. I kept waiting
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Speaker 1: to see if there was evidence of election fraud, because
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Speaker 1: if there was, I get the anger. But I never
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Speaker 1: saw any substantial evidence to show me there was election fraud.
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Speaker 1: I didn't dismiss it out of hand. I waited to
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Speaker 1: see it. I never saw it. But the other thing
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Speaker 1: beyond that, Wendy Patrick, mind control. That doesn't hold up
23:01
Speaker 1: in a court of law. You can't say I storm
23:05
Speaker 1: the capital because I thought he told me too. No,
23:10
Speaker 1: that is not legal defense under the law. No, it's
23:14
Speaker 1: not a legal defense. And you wonder whether or not
23:16
Speaker 1: it was ever intended to be put forth as a
23:19
Speaker 1: legal defense. It sounds more like people's emotions got the
23:22
Speaker 1: better of them. And they did things they knew they
23:24
Speaker 1: shouldn't have done, which is a very interesting component to
23:27
Speaker 1: the point that we're making about there being no demographic
23:30
Speaker 1: profile for the types of people that did this. That
23:33
Speaker 1: is why we monitor social media and digital chatter as
23:36
Speaker 1: much as we do, because you couldn't have picked these
23:38
Speaker 1: guys out of a crowd. There is nothing at their backgrounds,
23:41
Speaker 1: their history, their socioeconomic status that you would have thought
23:44
Speaker 1: would have predisposed them to do what they did, certainly
23:46
Speaker 1: not some claim of a mind control. So you're right, accountability,
23:50
Speaker 1: isn't that what we're now seeing? And all of that
23:52
Speaker 1: footage that we collected is now leading to arrest the
23:55
Speaker 1: site hardening Nancy that's going on today. I hope to
23:59
Speaker 1: God we'll have a peaceful transition tomorrow so we're not
24:02
Speaker 1: in the position of doing the same thing after the inauguration.
24:06
Speaker 1: Scott was that Colin or Scott? This is Scott Scott.
24:14
Speaker 1: I was just going to you about the bridge is
24:16
Speaker 1: closing and the tunnel's closing, because I know how that
24:19
Speaker 1: felt in New York after the attack. I couldn't leave.
24:23
Speaker 1: The planes weren't working unless I wanted to walk home
24:25
Speaker 1: to Georgia. I was stuck. Now tell me that and
24:30
Speaker 1: other measures taken and whatever you were going to jump
24:32
Speaker 1: in with, go ahead. I wanted to jump in first
24:34
Speaker 1: and say, you know when that all happened. I mean,
24:38
Speaker 1: I was in DC on January sixth, and there was
24:42
Speaker 1: hundreds of thousand, one hundred thousand, one hundred thousand and
24:44
Speaker 1: fifty whatever the group was, not everybody stormed in there.
24:47
Speaker 1: UM and we all know that, UM, and the FBI
24:51
Speaker 1: is going through and picking out the people. We've been
24:54
Speaker 1: doing that at WJLA identifying. We've identified about seventeen people
24:58
Speaker 1: through social media. But but I want to mention that
25:01
Speaker 1: you got to wonder how organized any of these groups are,
25:04
Speaker 1: or if there are groups who showed up there, and
25:07
Speaker 1: if they're talking on social media. But one thing I
25:10
Speaker 1: do know for certain, the National Park Police Nancy have
25:14
Speaker 1: curtailed the amount of permits it's issuing due to the
25:17
Speaker 1: security lockdown. In twenty sixteen, when I was here, there
25:20
Speaker 1: was sixty groups out on the streets of protesting, and
25:24
Speaker 1: there were permits that were issued and there were skirmits
25:27
Speaker 1: ships between police and protesters. Right now, there's only two
25:32
Speaker 1: groups who are applied for permits officially, and only two
25:36
Speaker 1: have been approved. They have to go through security, they
25:38
Speaker 1: only can have about one hundred people and no interaction
25:41
Speaker 1: with each other. So I think they're trying as much
25:45
Speaker 1: as possible to keep a lid on any organized group protests.
25:51
Speaker 1: Back to Colin P. Clark, I know you're holding your
25:54
Speaker 1: cards closed to the vast director policy research sufon group. Colin,
26:00
Speaker 1: how can you catch these people online so called chatter? Well,
26:06
Speaker 1: it's difficult. I mean there's you know, civil liberties and
26:09
Speaker 1: First Amendment protections that American citizens have, and so that's
26:13
Speaker 1: a bit of a mind field to navigate. On top
26:16
Speaker 1: of that, we don't have a Domestic Terrors and Statute
26:18
Speaker 1: in this country. That's something that may change in a
26:21
Speaker 1: Biden administration. But there's a lot of issues there as
26:23
Speaker 1: well of you know, concerns. The reason we don't there
26:27
Speaker 1: are you know, kind of well tread and including concerns
26:30
Speaker 1: over you know, the president, any president. I'm not talking
26:34
Speaker 1: specifically about President Trump, but certainly would include him going
26:38
Speaker 1: after political rivals, right, And so that's why we don't
26:41
Speaker 1: have one. Now, there's a bunch of other options on
26:43
Speaker 1: the table, including making domestic terrors in a federal crime.
26:46
Speaker 1: What we need to do is we need to give
26:48
Speaker 1: law enforcement more tools and more resources to combat this threat.
26:53
Speaker 1: We talked just before about you know, this being loosely organized.
26:57
Speaker 1: It's highly decentralized. But within this broader movement there are
27:01
Speaker 1: organized groups. There are official malicious there's the Oath Keepers,
27:05
Speaker 1: there's the Three for Centers. You know, there's white supremacist
27:10
Speaker 1: groups like Adam woffin the Base and others. So we
27:13
Speaker 1: know that these groups exist. We now have to have
27:15
Speaker 1: the potable will to go after the crime. Stories with
27:28
Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. Guys, we are talking about the inauguration going
27:36
Speaker 1: down twenty four hours and counting. Right now, the entire
27:42
Speaker 1: country on high alert after the attack on our capitol.
27:46
Speaker 1: Straight back out to Scott Taylor joining us from ABC
27:49
Speaker 1: seven w j LA. Colin Clark playing it close to
27:53
Speaker 1: the vest about how the president and the vice president
27:56
Speaker 1: elects are going to be protected. But what do you know.
28:00
Speaker 1: I understand they're going to be using underground tunnels, bulletproof glass,
28:05
Speaker 1: a section cordoned off. There's not going to be a
28:08
Speaker 1: huge mall full of people right now. That mall has
28:13
Speaker 1: been planted with hundreds and hundreds of flags. What else
28:19
Speaker 1: are the protective measures that you know off Scott, Well,
28:23
Speaker 1: I want to make a point real quick, Nancy. You know,
28:25
Speaker 1: the security level just rose today. We're not talking about today,
28:30
Speaker 1: and the reason why I say that is because President LEC.
28:33
Speaker 1: Biden and Vice President Elect Harris are arriving today in DC.
28:37
Speaker 1: So security has stepped up. And I also want to
28:40
Speaker 1: mention that we talked about how is President Luc Biden
28:43
Speaker 1: getting to DC? Well, he usually, you know, Nancy, would
28:46
Speaker 1: take a train. He's done that for years from where
28:49
Speaker 1: he lives into DC. That's been canceled due to security reasons.
28:53
Speaker 1: I don't want to go into exactly how he's getting
28:55
Speaker 1: here either, but I do know tonight he and President
28:58
Speaker 1: elect Vice President Harris is going to be attending a
29:02
Speaker 1: national Mall ceremony to honor COVID victims. So security jumped
29:07
Speaker 1: up sky high today as we head into tomorrow and
29:11
Speaker 1: tomorrow you mentioned that's all the security that's going on,
29:15
Speaker 1: and I think what's really important is to talk about
29:18
Speaker 1: they're going to do a lot of this virtually, You're
29:20
Speaker 1: not going to see everything like you usually do, and
29:23
Speaker 1: that's due to the security concerns in DC today and
29:27
Speaker 1: tomorrow Colin py Clarks, fine, group, the president can't hide.
29:33
Speaker 1: He cannot hide. He's got to be out there. There's
29:36
Speaker 1: no way he can hide, right, So I don't think
29:42
Speaker 1: he should hide. I think, you know, I'm actually just
29:45
Speaker 1: seeing this on Twitter news from a colleague of mine
29:49
Speaker 1: who lives on Capitol Hill. If there's a bomb threat
29:52
Speaker 1: just today and that people are being asked to stay
29:54
Speaker 1: inside while the FBI investigate a suspicious staffish. Yesterday we
29:58
Speaker 1: had a fire, Yeah, Colin, we had that fire yesterday,
30:01
Speaker 1: and that's one really good security test. They were practicing
30:05
Speaker 1: the inauguration ceremony and cleared everybody out within minutes and
30:10
Speaker 1: it ended up being a fire a gentleman in a
30:12
Speaker 1: homeless encampment. But that was a really good test. Now
30:16
Speaker 1: quickly they moved everybody out and into secure bunkers. But
30:20
Speaker 1: I'm talking about today as well, just as of twenty
30:23
Speaker 1: minutes ago, another bomb threat on Capitol Hill. So you know,
30:26
Speaker 1: people are tense and on edge, and you know, things
30:29
Speaker 1: that might be considered normal and ordinary circumstances are going
30:33
Speaker 1: to be treated much differently now and for the next
30:35
Speaker 1: couple of days. Colin Clark, exactly my point, Doctor Bethany Marshall.
30:41
Speaker 1: There was a time where the people that broke into
30:46
Speaker 1: attacked our capitol may have gotten a slap on the wrist. Okay,
30:53
Speaker 1: I don't think we can do that. I would have
30:56
Speaker 1: done it to start with. But for instance, whoever called
30:59
Speaker 1: in a bomb threat that Colin P. Clark just told
31:02
Speaker 1: us about the fire as it turned out, and the
31:06
Speaker 1: recent hours turned out to be not a threat. But still,
31:10
Speaker 1: whoever is calling in a bomb threat. Everyone that takes
31:14
Speaker 1: a single action against this inauguration must be charged to
31:18
Speaker 1: the fullest extent of the law. There's got to be
31:21
Speaker 1: a deterrent. Well, you know, Nancy, Colin P. Complete Clark
31:25
Speaker 1: has been studying this for years, but now we're getting
31:27
Speaker 1: a lesson as a nation and how serious all of
31:31
Speaker 1: these attacks are, the motivations for the attack, and you've
31:35
Speaker 1: been framing it as criminal, and it is absolutely true.
31:38
Speaker 1: It's like the Me Too movement. You know, people who
31:41
Speaker 1: aggressed against women, you know, two decades ago, got a
31:44
Speaker 1: slap on the wrist. Well, now we see it for
31:46
Speaker 1: what it is, this predatory behavior. We have reframed our
31:49
Speaker 1: thinking and it's the same with domestic terrorism. This term
31:54
Speaker 1: has been thrown around again and again. What is a
31:56
Speaker 1: domestic terrorist. It's not just somebody who is standing on
32:00
Speaker 1: the White House lawn and got caught up in the
32:02
Speaker 1: crowd and then oops, I just you know, put my
32:05
Speaker 1: foot through the front door just to see what was
32:07
Speaker 1: going on inside. Know, these these are people who had
32:10
Speaker 1: intent and nancy. This is not a low socio economic group,
32:15
Speaker 1: as some of the reporters have been saying. These are
32:19
Speaker 1: the people who had the wherewithal to get on a bus,
32:22
Speaker 1: get on a plane. They have computers, they have arms,
32:25
Speaker 1: they have they have means to congregate. Our immigrants are disenfranchised.
32:30
Speaker 1: People were not in that crowd. Lower socio economic people
32:35
Speaker 1: were not in that crowd. These were people of privilege
32:39
Speaker 1: with homicidal intent. I want to follow up on what
32:42
Speaker 1: you say with Colin Clark, the need for pseudo intellectuals
32:48
Speaker 1: to classify them, to categorize them as unintelligent, uneducated, low income.
32:57
Speaker 1: I guess crowd somehow it minimizes, it minimizes the danger
33:06
Speaker 1: because you've got people with college degrees with five figure
33:13
Speaker 1: maybe six figure incomes that are attacking our country. And
33:17
Speaker 1: the problem calling we can't pick him out of a crowd.
33:21
Speaker 1: In the past, you may have thought, well, they're a nut.
33:23
Speaker 1: They're a right wing nut, you know, they're they're a
33:25
Speaker 1: militia person in quoties. It's turned dangerous now, Colin, what
33:31
Speaker 1: can we do? Colin Well, I mean it makes sense
33:35
Speaker 1: for people to look for a typology, right, because it
33:37
Speaker 1: gives them comfort. You know, we've long struggled with this
33:41
Speaker 1: issue in the United States. It's why we named you know,
33:44
Speaker 1: after nine eleven, we called it the Global War and terrorism.
33:46
Speaker 1: We want to simplify things. It never made sense because
33:50
Speaker 1: what is war against a technic? Right? In World War Two,
33:52
Speaker 1: we didn't declare wargans blitz creed. So we try to
33:55
Speaker 1: simplify things. We try to make sense of them as humans.
33:58
Speaker 1: As social scientists, we try how to do the same thing.
34:01
Speaker 1: But what we fail to understand is that there's no
34:03
Speaker 1: silver bullet. There's no one size fits all for the
34:06
Speaker 1: radicalization process. And that's what we've seen happen in this country.
34:09
Speaker 1: We've seen individuals radicalize, and that happens for all different reasons. Uh.
34:14
Speaker 1: You know, people want to mock the fact that, oh
34:17
Speaker 1: that that doesn't look like economic anxieties. I mean, she
34:19
Speaker 1: took a personal jet there, right, that lady's not suffering
34:23
Speaker 1: from economic anxiety. But I also think it's uh, you know,
34:26
Speaker 1: we can't just dismiss this as the emotions got the
34:29
Speaker 1: better of them. You know, my emotions get the better
34:31
Speaker 1: of me. I don't storm. You know, the US capital,
34:34
Speaker 1: they committed an active insurrection, So you know the fact
34:37
Speaker 1: that they were there in the first place and willing
34:39
Speaker 1: to break the law, you know, they should be punished.
34:42
Speaker 1: And I think that's one thing that we need to
34:45
Speaker 1: see in this country is accountability. We often see it
34:48
Speaker 1: at the lower levels. We rarely see it at the top.
34:50
Speaker 1: That's not only in the government. It's on Wall Street,
34:53
Speaker 1: it's in Hollywood, it's it's elsewhere. So without accountability, we
34:57
Speaker 1: won't be able to stem the flow of what comes. Yeah, dude,
35:00
Speaker 1: that's what predisposition comes in. You know, I mentioned both
35:03
Speaker 1: provocation and predisposition. These people showed up at a rally
35:06
Speaker 1: in riot gear. That's what you and I and other
35:09
Speaker 1: prosecutors would call intent. They didn't intend to go someplace
35:14
Speaker 1: in peacefully protest. They intended not just to be vocal,
35:17
Speaker 1: but to be violent. That would be the argument that
35:19
Speaker 1: is being used to prosecute some of these people. Now yes,
35:22
Speaker 1: clearly intent. And on that same note, Wendy Patrick, California
35:26
Speaker 1: prosecutor at Wendy Patrick PhD dot com. Wendy, I have
35:32
Speaker 1: said repeatedly that the people that stormed the capital should
35:37
Speaker 1: be charged with felony the cause of that officer, Sicknick
35:42
Speaker 1: is dead. Yeah, that's exactly right. That's felony murder. They're
35:46
Speaker 1: in the commission of a felony. He's killed. That's the
35:49
Speaker 1: textbook definition of felony murder. And that seems to be
35:53
Speaker 1: what prosecutors are agreeing they're going to do, because that's
35:56
Speaker 1: exactly right. A crime, a murder committed in the commission
36:00
Speaker 1: of certain enumerated felonies makes it felony murder. And that's
36:03
Speaker 1: a significant because you don't have to have intended for
36:07
Speaker 1: the person to die to be guilty under that theory, Nancy,
36:10
Speaker 1: and that's exactly what prosecutors are looking at in connection
36:14
Speaker 1: with the death of the Capitol policeman. You're so right. Tomorrow,
36:17
Speaker 1: everyone the country on edge as we approach the presidential inauguration.
36:25
Speaker 1: Regardless of which side of the fence you stand on,
36:28
Speaker 1: we all agree on one thing. God bless America. Nancy Grace,
36:35
Speaker 1: crime story signing off goodbye friend,