Transcript

Sharri | 9 February · Sharri

0:01
Speaker 1: Live on Sky News.
0:03
Speaker 2: This is Sharry.
0:06
Speaker 3: Good Evening Tonight.
0:07
Speaker 4: In a nationwide exclusive, I sit down with the Israeli
0:11
Speaker 4: President Isaac Hertzog. In strong remarks, Herzog urges leaders to
0:17
Speaker 4: wake up to the Jahadas threat and to remember our
0:20
Speaker 4: true allies. My exclusive interview in Just a Moment. Also
0:25
Speaker 4: tonight Susan Lee's leadership on life support after brutal polling.
0:31
Speaker 4: Radio legend Ray Hadley will be here to give his
0:34
Speaker 4: view on who should be Liberal leader. Plus leading economist
0:38
Speaker 4: Chris Richardson on whether government's spending has led to the
0:42
Speaker 4: interest rate rise, and Broman Bishop Steve Price. Dave Sharma
0:47
Speaker 4: will also be here. It is a massive show tonight.
0:50
Speaker 4: We're also going to cross live to town Hall where
0:53
Speaker 4: the pro Palestinian protests are really heating up, including a
0:58
Speaker 4: message from Grace Tame.
1:00
Speaker 3: So it's all coming up.
1:02
Speaker 4: But the biggest story in our nation today is the
1:05
Speaker 4: visit by the Israeli President, Isaac Hertzog, and I had
1:09
Speaker 4: the privilege of an exclusive interview with the president this afternoon.
1:15
Speaker 4: For a world leader, Hertzog was warm, humble and down
1:20
Speaker 4: to earth. I found him very engaging when I sat
1:25
Speaker 4: down with him. He had an extremely strong message for
1:30
Speaker 4: our leaders on the threat of jihadi Islamism and anti Semitism.
1:36
Speaker 4: He reflected on the massive police and security presence we've
1:39
Speaker 4: seen throughout Sydney today and he made the point that
1:44
Speaker 4: when his father, the farmer Israeli President Kaim Hertzog, visited
1:49
Speaker 4: Australia when Bob Hawk was Prime Minister, he needed none
1:54
Speaker 4: of this sort of security. Australia was a much safer place,
1:59
Speaker 4: and Isaac Hertzog said, this is what we need to
2:02
Speaker 4: return to. Let's hope our political leaders reflect on President
2:07
Speaker 4: Hertzog's strong words and here's my exclusive interview with President
2:13
Speaker 4: Isaac Hertzog. President, thank you so much for being here
2:20
Speaker 4: in Australia. Your support means an incredible amount, particularly to
2:24
Speaker 4: the Australian Jewish community. What did you feel when you
2:28
Speaker 4: visited the site of the massacre this morning?
2:31
Speaker 5: It moved me to my core, and I think that
2:35
Speaker 5: it's also an expression of the feelings that Australians in
2:40
Speaker 5: general and the Jewish members of the community in Australia
2:43
Speaker 5: felt and still our feeling about this horrific attack at
2:48
Speaker 5: Bondai Beach on December fourteenth. In fact, that our heart
2:53
Speaker 5: missed beat all throughout the Jewish world and in Israel
2:56
Speaker 5: on that moment, and I think it expresses the love
3:00
Speaker 5: and passion that we have for our brothers and sisters
3:02
Speaker 5: around the world. This was a terrible, terrible.
3:05
Speaker 4: Event, just like our heart broke when October seven happened,
3:10
Speaker 4: and we never thought we'd see scene similar to that here.
3:14
Speaker 4: But you met with some people this morning who watched
3:18
Speaker 4: their husband or wives or children be murdered in front
3:23
Speaker 4: of them.
3:23
Speaker 3: I mean horrific stories.
3:24
Speaker 5: Yes, and it was very, very moving and very agonizing
3:28
Speaker 5: and painful. And I could not but think about families
3:32
Speaker 5: who I met after October seventh. And the truth of
3:35
Speaker 5: the matter is it's the same type of enemy. It's
3:38
Speaker 5: the Jaudist ideology that wants to eradicate all of those
3:43
Speaker 5: while not extreme Muslims meaning moderate Muslims, Christians of all denominations,
3:48
Speaker 5: and Jews. It's known, it's written in the annals of
3:51
Speaker 5: the Jadis philosophy and ideology, and the world has to
3:55
Speaker 5: wake up and understand this is a very dangerous plague,
4:00
Speaker 5: and this is something that threatens the most inherent values
4:04
Speaker 5: of the free world.
4:06
Speaker 4: You personally and your family have a strong history with Australia.
4:11
Speaker 4: Your father visited as president.
4:13
Speaker 5: Exactly forty years ago. It was Bob Hawk was Prime Minister,
4:19
Speaker 5: and it is kind of a revision, but with a
4:23
Speaker 5: different taste because when my father came, he didn't have
4:26
Speaker 5: three thousand police officers protecting him, nor was there so
4:31
Speaker 5: much tension, and he didn't come after a horrific tale attack.
4:35
Speaker 5: And I think we have to work hard to return
4:38
Speaker 5: to the same good old days where Israel is bipart
4:41
Speaker 5: is an issue in Australia, where our relations are stronger
4:46
Speaker 5: as ever. People tend to forget, but Australia has a
4:49
Speaker 5: huge story to tell us. It comes to the creation
4:52
Speaker 5: and independence of the Jewish State of Israel.
4:56
Speaker 4: So that's part of your reason for being here, to
4:58
Speaker 4: get the relationship between Usustralia and Israel back on solid
5:03
Speaker 4: footing back on track.
5:04
Speaker 5: Yes. So I'm going to meet, of course with the
5:06
Speaker 5: Prime Minister and the Governor General and members of the
5:11
Speaker 5: Cabinet and of course the Opposition leader. I'm going to
5:14
Speaker 5: talk to all of them into public opinion as well
5:17
Speaker 5: opinion makers. For quite some time, there has been bashing
5:21
Speaker 5: and shaming of Israel endlessly without understanding the mere fact
5:26
Speaker 5: is that we are at the clash of civilizational values,
5:29
Speaker 5: that we Israel, little Israel, are protecting the free world
5:33
Speaker 5: by fighting against this evil empire of evil emanating from Tehran,
5:39
Speaker 5: which doesn't stop anywhere, which spends billions of its people's
5:42
Speaker 5: money on tehr own proxies all over the world, except
5:46
Speaker 5: on one thing they don't spend on their own people.
5:49
Speaker 5: And I say to all these demonstrators out there or
5:51
Speaker 5: are demonstrating against me, why don't you demonstrate against Iran
5:56
Speaker 5: and what it's doing. It's atrocities. They butchered tens of
5:59
Speaker 5: thousands of their own citizens just about two weeks three
6:02
Speaker 5: weeks ago. Where are you all stop blaming Israel, which
6:05
Speaker 5: is defending and protecting the mere values of democracies all
6:09
Speaker 5: over the world, including Australia.
6:12
Speaker 4: As a member of the Australian Jewish community myself, I
6:15
Speaker 4: know we feel so helpless.
6:18
Speaker 3: We wonder how our country can return to.
6:21
Speaker 4: The safe nation that your father saw when he visited
6:24
Speaker 4: when Bob Hawk was Prime Minister.
6:26
Speaker 5: Holocaust survivors who found refuge in this in this wonderful country.
6:30
Speaker 4: What's your advice for how as a nation, not only our.
6:35
Speaker 3: Leaders but also our leaders.
6:36
Speaker 4: But how is a nation we now defeat this anti semitism.
6:41
Speaker 5: It starts with education from little age, from primary schools,
6:47
Speaker 5: from kindergarten all the way up to adjudication and legislation
6:51
Speaker 5: and taking hard steps because the writing was on the
6:54
Speaker 5: wall for a long time. There was a huge surge
6:56
Speaker 5: of anti semitism in Australia, by the way, also in Britain,
7:00
Speaker 5: by the way, also in Canada, in America and English
7:03
Speaker 5: speaking countries. Why because they are liberal democracies and everybody
7:07
Speaker 5: can say whatever they want. But when somebody blocks the
7:10
Speaker 5: streets endlessly and chanting from the river to the sea,
7:14
Speaker 5: that means he's undermining my people's right in here and
7:18
Speaker 5: right for their own nation, state, for their self, denomination
7:21
Speaker 5: for the state of Israel. It's very simple, and that
7:23
Speaker 5: cannot be allowed because that's anti semitism.
7:26
Speaker 4: By the way, President, I'm really grateful and honored to
7:30
Speaker 4: have your time.
7:31
Speaker 5: Thank you very much, Thank you very much, and I'm
7:33
Speaker 5: honored to be here in Australia.
7:35
Speaker 3: It's wonderful to have you. Thank you for your visit.
7:41
Speaker 4: Well, let's hope President Herzog's visit does spark a reset,
7:45
Speaker 4: a reset from the Albanese government, which has been incredibly
7:49
Speaker 4: hostile toward the only Jewish nation in the world. And
7:53
Speaker 4: I think Herzog had it right when he spoke of
7:56
Speaker 4: bashing and shaming of Israel, because that is what we
7:59
Speaker 4: have seen from the Albanese government. This Israel is one
8:04
Speaker 4: tiny Jewish nation compared with more than fifty Muslim majority countries,
8:10
Speaker 4: and all this hostility in the wake of a barbaric
8:14
Speaker 4: terror attack on Israel, an attack that was unprovoked and
8:18
Speaker 4: has meant there's a deep and lasting trauma for israelis
8:23
Speaker 4: The antagonism in Australia has been so extreme, the dehumanization
8:28
Speaker 4: of so called Zionists so emphatic, that the Bondai terror
8:33
Speaker 4: attack was all but inevitable. Herzog's visit means a great deal,
8:38
Speaker 4: and his message of action on antisemitism should be heated
8:43
Speaker 4: urgently and all Australians should welcome his visit because it's
8:48
Speaker 4: a visit from the head of a nation that shares
8:51
Speaker 4: our Australian values of freedom, democracy and equality, and we
8:57
Speaker 4: also share the same enemy, as Herzog said, violent radical
9:03
Speaker 4: Islamism that seeks to destroy Israel and that opposes the
9:07
Speaker 4: values that underpin our way of life here, and Herzog's
9:13
Speaker 4: visit is one of peace, and his nation is fighting
9:17
Speaker 4: for peace in the Middle East against enemies that only seek.
9:22
Speaker 3: To kill Jews.
9:25
Speaker 4: Now Herzog will meet with Albanezi this week, as he
9:28
Speaker 4: said there in that interview, after he spends time with
9:32
Speaker 4: the Jewish community here in Sydney. And his visit shows
9:37
Speaker 4: how Israel is standing with Australia during our darkest hour.
9:43
Speaker 4: And you can't say the same of Australia, which did
9:46
Speaker 4: not stand with Israel after October seven. Our Prime Minister
9:51
Speaker 4: was one of the only world leaders not to visit
9:53
Speaker 4: Israel after the massacre, and when Penny Wang eventually went,
9:58
Speaker 4: she didn't even bother to visit the site of the atrocity.
10:04
Speaker 4: This is unlike President Herzog, whose very first stop after
10:08
Speaker 4: arriving in Australia, even in the pouring rain, was the
10:13
Speaker 4: memorial site at Bondi. The President laid a floral wreath
10:18
Speaker 4: and he brought two stones with him from Jerusalem, which
10:22
Speaker 4: he laid at the Bondai pavilion in line with Jewish tradition.
10:27
Speaker 4: Many survivors of the Bondai attack were there this morning,
10:31
Speaker 4: including the father who was shot six times, the daughter
10:35
Speaker 4: of Reuven Morrison, Shana Gutnik, and survivors Aaron Moldovin, Evans.
10:41
Speaker 3: Latskis and Arson Ostrovsky.
10:45
Speaker 4: It was highly emotional for many of the survivors to
10:49
Speaker 4: meet with the president. His support means the world to them.
10:58
Speaker 4: All Right, let's cross live now to town Hall where
11:02
Speaker 4: the pro Palestinian protests are heating up. Police are there
11:07
Speaker 4: on the scene. Joining me now is Sky News senior
11:09
Speaker 4: Sydney reporter and Matt Taylor. Matt, thank you very much
11:12
Speaker 4: for your time. Tell us what is unfolding right now
11:15
Speaker 4: as we speak at eight o'clock at night.
11:20
Speaker 6: Yeah, Hi, there, Shari, things have turned violent here at
11:24
Speaker 6: this protest. It was a mostly peaceful protest throughout the
11:27
Speaker 6: course of the afternoon, the protest kicking off at about
11:31
Speaker 6: five thirty and then of course go for about an
11:34
Speaker 6: hour or so. And then when the protest has tried
11:37
Speaker 6: to leave, we know that they wanted to march to
11:40
Speaker 6: the New South Wales Parliament from town Hall. That's when
11:43
Speaker 6: police barricaded them off and basically wouldn't let them leave
11:48
Speaker 6: the protest area. And that's when we saw a number
11:50
Speaker 6: of scuffles ensue. There was a lot of violence. There
11:53
Speaker 6: was a lot of pepper spray used as well. You
11:56
Speaker 6: can just see behind me the crowd has really been
11:58
Speaker 6: moved on to the other end of George Street now,
12:01
Speaker 6: to the other end of George Street now and it
12:04
Speaker 6: is being moved south along George Street here. But as
12:08
Speaker 6: you can see, there are a number of arrests or
12:09
Speaker 6: a number of people that are assisting police with their
12:13
Speaker 6: inquiries here at the scene. So a significant police presence
12:18
Speaker 6: here on George Street and Sydney. George Street has been
12:22
Speaker 6: closed to all traffic and pedestrians as well, and police
12:25
Speaker 6: really try to move people on. As for the protests,
12:28
Speaker 6: we of course know that this is organized by the
12:30
Speaker 6: Palestine Action Group. There were chants that came out from
12:35
Speaker 6: the river to the sea at the protest. Of course,
12:38
Speaker 6: these things will undoubtedly be closely watched by the New
12:41
Speaker 6: South Wales police here. We know that the protesters wanted
12:46
Speaker 6: to challenge the New South Wales directive that these protests
12:51
Speaker 6: essentially couldn't happen. They had to stay in one area
12:55
Speaker 6: at the town hall. Just a fair bit of action
12:58
Speaker 6: Sharry going on behind us. They needed to stay at
13:00
Speaker 6: the town hall. We know that the protest organizers wanted
13:02
Speaker 6: to challenge this. There was an eleventh hour ruling by
13:05
Speaker 6: the Supreme Court that no these police powers are for
13:08
Speaker 6: a major event. Declaration would not be overturned, so protesters
13:14
Speaker 6: were required to stay at the town hall in the park.
13:16
Speaker 6: It was then at the conclusion of this that things
13:19
Speaker 6: turned violent and lots of hecklers around us, and things
13:25
Speaker 6: turned violent as the protesters then tried to march in
13:28
Speaker 6: defiance of the police order that they wouldn't be able
13:30
Speaker 6: to matt.
13:31
Speaker 3: Just quickly before you go.
13:33
Speaker 4: We've also seen reports that Grace Tame was one of
13:36
Speaker 4: the speakers at the protests.
13:39
Speaker 3: Did you hear what she had to say?
13:40
Speaker 4: It's been reported that she was repeating that chant globalize
13:44
Speaker 4: the into fader.
13:48
Speaker 7: Yeah.
13:48
Speaker 6: I did not witness that, but I have read those
13:50
Speaker 6: reports as well. The crowd was significant here as well,
13:54
Speaker 6: Shari protesters were expecting about five thousand people. I would
13:58
Speaker 6: suggest that there was perhaps as several more than that here.
14:03
Speaker 6: The police did a good job in preventing that march
14:06
Speaker 6: to New South Wales Parliament from taking place, but it
14:09
Speaker 6: is still quite, you know, quite a tense situation down
14:13
Speaker 6: here at town Hall.
14:15
Speaker 4: All right, well stay safe, Matt, and I'm pleased your
14:17
Speaker 4: microphone doesn't have Sky News on it because that would
14:20
Speaker 4: certainly make your target among that crowd. Thank you so much.
14:24
Speaker 4: All right, let's bring you now our panel, former Speaker
14:27
Speaker 4: of the House brom And Bishop and Sky News host
14:29
Speaker 4: Steve Price. Great to see you both, Brum and starting
14:33
Speaker 4: with you, I want to know what you thought of
14:36
Speaker 4: President Herzog's very strong comments, because he was a lot
14:39
Speaker 4: stronger in his interview with me tonight than his comments
14:43
Speaker 4: at the memorial site this morning.
14:46
Speaker 7: I think you put the case extremely well. I mean,
14:48
Speaker 7: it is a worldwide phenomenon that is occurring and it
14:52
Speaker 7: has to be stopped and we have to be strong
14:54
Speaker 7: about it. And I get so angry with the way
14:57
Speaker 7: the word genocide has been taken over by these people.
15:00
Speaker 7: That was invented in what nineteen forty two by mister Lemkin,
15:05
Speaker 7: a Polish Jew, to describe what had happened in Germany
15:09
Speaker 7: and Poland and the conquered areas, but also in protest
15:13
Speaker 7: against what the Turks did to the Armenians in nineteen fifteen,
15:17
Speaker 7: and then that went into the UN Convention. He's echoing
15:23
Speaker 7: President Herzel was echoing the righteousness of the cause of
15:27
Speaker 7: the Jewish people to live in Israel. Forty six percent
15:31
Speaker 7: of all Jews live in Israel. And when you realize that,
15:36
Speaker 7: what there were fifteen million Jews in nineteen thirty nine,
15:39
Speaker 7: there were still only fifteen million Jews. That's what the
15:42
Speaker 7: Holocaust did, That's what genocide needs. How dare they take
15:47
Speaker 7: over the terms and turn it back on them and
15:50
Speaker 7: try and corrupt the language in that way? And as
15:53
Speaker 7: for the people who lead these demonstrations, destroy people's businesses
15:57
Speaker 7: in the CBD, and are there for their own aggrandizement,
16:01
Speaker 7: not because they are sympathetic to humanity in any other way,
16:05
Speaker 7: because then they would be protesting against Iran.
16:09
Speaker 4: Exactly exactly right, Steve. The President mentioned that he was
16:14
Speaker 4: going to be meeting with Albanzi, and then in the
16:15
Speaker 4: next sentence he spoke of how there had been a
16:18
Speaker 4: great deal of bashing and shaming of Israel in Australia.
16:23
Speaker 4: I mean he must mean by the Albanese government. As
16:26
Speaker 4: he said that.
16:29
Speaker 2: What's going to be very interesting what we find out
16:31
Speaker 2: from those discussions between the President and the Prime Minister.
16:35
Speaker 2: I mean, it's going to be very difficult for Prime
16:37
Speaker 2: Minister Albanesi, who of course was one of the first
16:39
Speaker 2: Western world leaders to call for the recognition of Palestine.
16:43
Speaker 2: I mean, I think the most most telling thing for
16:45
Speaker 2: me out of that interview you did with the President
16:48
Speaker 2: was when he talked about his father coming here when
16:51
Speaker 2: Bob Hawk was Prime Minister. Now, people like Broman and
16:54
Speaker 2: myself have been around a very long time. Remember what
16:57
Speaker 2: a friend to the Jewish community in earlier Bob Hawk was.
17:01
Speaker 2: Bob Hawk was a huge supporter of Israel. And it's
17:04
Speaker 2: no surprise that when that president came his father came here,
17:08
Speaker 2: there was lack of security. There was no one marching
17:11
Speaker 2: in the streets talking about in for Tata, I mean
17:13
Speaker 2: for Grace's time to be up there tonight. Shouting that
17:16
Speaker 2: into it into a megaphone is an absolute disgrace. It
17:20
Speaker 2: should be a debate about whether her recognition is Australian
17:23
Speaker 2: of the Year ought to be withdrawn.
17:25
Speaker 3: Very good point, really good point.
17:28
Speaker 4: All right, Well, let's turn to today's news poll Susan
17:31
Speaker 4: Lee's leadership is clearly on life support. Tonight brutal news
17:35
Speaker 4: poll the coalition's primary vote plummeting to just eighteen percent
17:40
Speaker 4: one Nation at an autumn high of twenty seven percent.
17:43
Speaker 4: Here was Liberal Senator Jane Hume today.
17:47
Speaker 8: This is disastrous for the Liberal Party. It's disastrous for
17:50
Speaker 8: the coalition. Unless something changes, we will be wiped out.
17:54
Speaker 8: I don't think that at this point there will be
17:57
Speaker 8: a single member of the House of Representatives from Victoria.
18:02
Speaker 8: There won't be a single member of the House of
18:03
Speaker 8: Representatives from New South Wales. Something has to give.
18:08
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, I've been brum when we thought the Liberal
18:11
Speaker 4: primary vote at the last the election was bad and
18:14
Speaker 4: by the way I saw Peter Dutton tonight now it's
18:18
Speaker 4: just crashed.
18:19
Speaker 3: So clearly there has to be a leadership change.
18:22
Speaker 7: Doesn't that A lot has to change, And I think
18:27
Speaker 7: Listener can train him. She's made that decision and she
18:30
Speaker 7: might be one of those numbers that was needed. I
18:35
Speaker 7: just feel that I don't want to see Susan humiliated
18:40
Speaker 7: because I think she's tried very hard. And the people
18:44
Speaker 7: who talk about no clean air, I think they have
18:46
Speaker 7: a point. But politics is a very hard game and
18:51
Speaker 7: you can't expect people are going to give you clear air.
18:54
Speaker 7: You have to be able to get out there and
18:55
Speaker 7: punch through the message. Now I went back looked at
19:01
Speaker 7: what we took the twenty thirteen election, what policies it
19:06
Speaker 7: was spelt out precisely.
19:08
Speaker 3: What we would do.
19:09
Speaker 7: Bring down the cost of living was an issue. We said, okay,
19:12
Speaker 7: we'll get rid of the carbon tax that will lower
19:14
Speaker 7: your electricity bill. There were specifics in there and that's
19:18
Speaker 7: what's needed. People say talk about different candidates and what
19:22
Speaker 7: they'll do. All I know is that you cannot ignore
19:26
Speaker 7: one nation anymore, and there has to be an accommodation.
19:31
Speaker 7: It has to be worked out, because we talked a
19:34
Speaker 7: lot about the ascommodation.
19:37
Speaker 3: You don't mean a coalition winger.
19:39
Speaker 7: I mean an accommodation in the way votes are supported,
19:43
Speaker 7: preferences are given, all of that, and if there's to
19:47
Speaker 7: be a control of a Senate by one nation, for instance,
19:52
Speaker 7: then that has to be factored in as well. So
19:55
Speaker 7: there are lots of things. But unless there is a
19:58
Speaker 7: realization that there has to be a strong policy on immigration,
20:03
Speaker 7: there has to be a strong policy on winding back
20:07
Speaker 7: this money that's spent on renewables. Unless we get into
20:11
Speaker 7: those issues, nothing will cut through.
20:15
Speaker 4: Steve, do you think it's only about policies, as Bronwin
20:18
Speaker 4: has outlined, or do you think you know there does
20:20
Speaker 4: need to be this change. To Angus Taylor, there has
20:24
Speaker 4: to be a change.
20:25
Speaker 2: But I will say about Susan Lee, the way she
20:28
Speaker 2: handled herself post BONDI was a remarkable She did an
20:32
Speaker 2: incredible job. She was strong, she was out there speaking
20:35
Speaker 2: every day, she was a Bonda every day. Prime Minister
20:38
Speaker 2: was hiding away somewhere else. So let's just put that
20:40
Speaker 2: on the record. She did an extraordinary job Postponda. She
20:44
Speaker 2: was fantastic. And is Angus Taylor the answer? Who would know?
20:47
Speaker 2: I mean the blokes of Rhodes scholar. But he hasn't
20:51
Speaker 2: covered himself. I don't think in glory when he was
20:53
Speaker 2: shadow Treasurer or even shadow Defense. So do they need
20:57
Speaker 2: a bigger change? They need some other other change to work.
21:00
Speaker 2: It's going to happen. And to Bromin's point about One Nation,
21:02
Speaker 2: well what happens when you have you know, we've got
21:05
Speaker 2: a South Australian election coming up, You've got a Victorian
21:07
Speaker 2: election later this year. One Nation says they're going to
21:09
Speaker 2: stand candidates in every seat. That means they're standing candidates
21:12
Speaker 2: against the Liberal Party and against the National Party in
21:15
Speaker 2: national seats. So when you get to a federal election.
21:18
Speaker 2: What's this accommodation where one nation suddenly says, okay, well
21:21
Speaker 2: you can have that seat and we'll have that one.
21:23
Speaker 2: I mean Broman knows more about that than me. But
21:26
Speaker 2: how's that ever going to work?
21:29
Speaker 7: It's more about preferences. It's because we have compulsory preferential voting.
21:35
Speaker 3: It means that people.
21:37
Speaker 7: Are forced to vote for somebody they don't want, and
21:42
Speaker 7: optional preferential is a much preferred system. And Peter Beatty
21:47
Speaker 7: was making that very clear and that point that he
21:49
Speaker 7: was making in his article of the day.
21:52
Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, just a quick another couple of topics
21:54
Speaker 4: before we have to go. We've been covering how much
21:57
Speaker 4: money the Greens has spent renovating that party room. Ridiculous
22:01
Speaker 4: in the first place. Why does a party room need
22:03
Speaker 4: a renovation? Well this has now blown out to two
22:06
Speaker 4: point two million dollars, nearly triple the original quote.
22:11
Speaker 3: And I mean, Steve Browin, this is just insane. Yes
22:17
Speaker 3: it is.
22:18
Speaker 2: Let me one hundred and six thousand dollars on the
22:21
Speaker 2: stealing what is it gold leaf or something. I mean,
22:24
Speaker 2: I've done a few renovations in my life, and I've
22:26
Speaker 2: spent plenty of money I didn't want to spend, but
22:29
Speaker 2: I wouldn't have spent that on renovating a whole house,
22:31
Speaker 2: let alone one room. How big is this room? The
22:35
Speaker 2: side of the mcg or something. It's crazy.
22:37
Speaker 7: I've got to tell you both that doing anything in
22:41
Speaker 7: Parliament House is exceedingly expensive because everything has to be
22:45
Speaker 7: done in accordance with the architect's original plan. There are
22:49
Speaker 7: heritage orders, the architect gets to have a say, and
22:53
Speaker 7: the costs just mount.
22:55
Speaker 3: But doing the whole thing the.
22:57
Speaker 2: Next place was a waste of problem they could have
23:00
Speaker 2: taken that explained to me, how come how come they're
23:03
Speaker 2: making carpet inside Parliament House? Apparently they produced the carpet
23:08
Speaker 2: in house.
23:09
Speaker 3: That's not carpet.
23:10
Speaker 2: Layers or makers, are they?
23:12
Speaker 3: It's part of that heritage stuff. It's rubbish.
23:15
Speaker 7: I once got a quote for three million dollars to
23:17
Speaker 7: build a new chamber for the second chamber, but the
23:22
Speaker 7: red tape you had to go through to get anything
23:25
Speaker 7: was just impossible.
23:26
Speaker 4: I mean, but that's not far off the cost of
23:28
Speaker 4: just the party room, and that would have been a
23:30
Speaker 4: higher chamber.
23:31
Speaker 3: So that shows you how didn't need to be done
23:33
Speaker 3: at all. How ridiculous.
23:34
Speaker 4: Is quickly, Steve just to the crime situation in Victoria,
23:37
Speaker 4: because we know that carjackings are a major problem. I
23:41
Speaker 4: mean everyone knows that. But now there's new data out
23:44
Speaker 4: today that shows this is police dart showing the incidents
23:48
Speaker 4: involving weapons have almost.
23:50
Speaker 3: Doubled in a year.
23:51
Speaker 4: So, Steve, you know, are the new laws that sent
23:55
Speaker 4: to Alan introduced so they're just not working.
24:00
Speaker 2: The machete ban was just ridiculous. So men who which
24:02
Speaker 2: machete bart carrying teenager is going to wander down at a
24:05
Speaker 2: local police station put it in a bin when they
24:07
Speaker 2: knows CCTV camera looking at them. And we've now got
24:12
Speaker 2: out of control as well as carjacking and home invasions.
24:15
Speaker 2: Retail crime down here is completely out of control. My
24:18
Speaker 2: local bottle shot locks the door because people rush in,
24:21
Speaker 2: fill up bags with cans of alcohol and run out
24:24
Speaker 2: the door. People just steal stuff off the shelves of supermarkets.
24:28
Speaker 2: Bunnings are now going to have that facial recognition. But
24:31
Speaker 2: it's just law and order in this state is completely broken.
24:35
Speaker 2: And yet with an election in November, chances are that
24:38
Speaker 2: Labor will get re elected. It's unbelievable.
24:40
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, Steve Price, Brohm and Bishop great to have
24:43
Speaker 4: you as always in a Monday thank you, and let's
24:47
Speaker 4: bring in now from Canberra, Liberal Senator Dave Sharma, Dave,
24:50
Speaker 4: good to see you. Look, I want to We'll get
24:53
Speaker 4: to the Liberal leadership in a minute, but I want
24:55
Speaker 4: to start with President Isaac Hertzog's visit. We've seen these
25:00
Speaker 4: violent clashes on the streets of Sydney tonight. This is
25:03
Speaker 4: despite some three thousand police being deployed. When the President
25:08
Speaker 4: reads the news and sees this sort of scenes, this
25:12
Speaker 4: is highly embarrassing.
25:13
Speaker 3: Isn't it.
25:17
Speaker 9: I think it's incredibly poor taste. I think the protesters
25:20
Speaker 9: represent a small activist, extremist fringe of Australia. The President
25:26
Speaker 9: has come here, President Hertzog has come here to pay
25:30
Speaker 9: his respects to those who died in the Bondi terrorist
25:33
Speaker 9: massacre of December, to comfort the families and to comfort
25:38
Speaker 9: the Jewish community. He's not coming with a message of
25:40
Speaker 9: ill will or malice to anyone, to any group of Australians.
25:43
Speaker 9: And the idea that someone who's coming with a good
25:46
Speaker 9: and noble intent in his heart like that should be
25:49
Speaker 9: greeted with these sorts of scenes should be forced to
25:52
Speaker 9: have this huge security cord and put around him, I
25:55
Speaker 9: think is it's to our shame as a nation.
26:00
Speaker 4: He does have a message on anti Semitism as well
26:04
Speaker 4: for the Albanese government, which I expect he'll deliver in
26:08
Speaker 4: a respectful diplomatic fashion. But his message is there and
26:11
Speaker 4: it is strong as well. You just heard it a
26:14
Speaker 4: little while ago in his interview that he did with me.
26:19
Speaker 9: He did he's got a very strong message. I mean,
26:22
Speaker 9: he rightly makes the point that anti Semitism has been
26:27
Speaker 9: rising significantly in recent years, including in Australia and other
26:31
Speaker 9: Western nations, that in many respects, the Bondi terrorist attack
26:36
Speaker 9: took place in a climate of heightened anti semitism at
26:39
Speaker 9: the government and the people and our institutions did not
26:43
Speaker 9: do enough to prevent and confront and deal with. And
26:47
Speaker 9: I hope that adds you're just changing now. And I
26:48
Speaker 9: think he's brought an important message to us and to
26:53
Speaker 9: our nation to hold us to account, to make sure
26:55
Speaker 9: that something like Bondoi doesn't happen again, that no religious
26:59
Speaker 9: community or or any community in Australia is made to
27:02
Speaker 9: feel as unsafe and unwelcome as the Jewish community has
27:05
Speaker 9: had to endure these past two and a half years.
27:07
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, well said.
27:10
Speaker 4: Now we saw as we've been discussing, the Coalition primary
27:13
Speaker 4: vote has crashed to eighteen percent in today's News poll.
27:17
Speaker 4: Is it now time for a new Liberal leader?
27:22
Speaker 9: Well, it's certainly time for a change in direction now.
27:26
Speaker 9: I think it doesn't surprise me that the polls have
27:30
Speaker 9: been as bad as they have been given the last
27:33
Speaker 9: three weeks where we have been consumed to the detriment
27:37
Speaker 9: of the public, to the detriment of good government Australia,
27:39
Speaker 9: with our own internal issues. We absolutely need to put
27:43
Speaker 9: those behind us. We need to focus on an alternative
27:46
Speaker 9: view for Australia, an alternative set of policies for Australia,
27:49
Speaker 9: and holding the alban Easy government to acount. And I'm
27:51
Speaker 9: confident that if we can focus on that, which is
27:54
Speaker 9: the main game, not the diminishing spoils of opposition and
27:57
Speaker 9: not intro and assigned to If we can do that,
28:01
Speaker 9: then we can re establish credibility. But I don't discount
28:04
Speaker 9: the fact that we have done ourselves a serious amount
28:07
Speaker 9: of damage these past three weeks.
28:11
Speaker 4: There are discussions about a leadership challenge, potentially as soon
28:16
Speaker 4: as you know the next few days with Angus Taylor
28:19
Speaker 4: as the main candidate, do you think a change needs
28:22
Speaker 4: to happen?
28:25
Speaker 9: Well, look, I think we can focus on the leadership
28:29
Speaker 9: and you know that's a personnel change. But the more
28:32
Speaker 9: important question is that it doesn't matter you know, who
28:34
Speaker 9: the leader is if we're not focused on the issues
28:36
Speaker 9: that matter to the Australian public, if you're not doing
28:39
Speaker 9: your job as an opposition in holding the government to account,
28:42
Speaker 9: in developing alternative policies. And to me, that's you know,
28:45
Speaker 9: that's the bigger concern that I have. It's not who's
28:49
Speaker 9: notionally in charge. It's we're all pulling in the same
28:52
Speaker 9: direction as a team, and we haven't been doing that
28:55
Speaker 9: and we've got to start doing that.
28:57
Speaker 4: Dave, you lost your seat of Wentworth to a Teal.
29:02
Speaker 4: We've seen one nation's primary vote rise significantly though, I
29:06
Speaker 4: mean twenty seven percent according to newspaper. It's unprecedented for
29:10
Speaker 4: one nation. So how do you balance this that there
29:14
Speaker 4: are some electorates leaning towards Teals, but then you've got
29:17
Speaker 4: this really strong vote for one nation and everything it
29:20
Speaker 4: stands for.
29:24
Speaker 9: Look, I think to a degree in Australia we're seeing
29:27
Speaker 9: a fragmentation of the two party system like we've seen
29:30
Speaker 9: happen in other countries, not all other Western democracies, but
29:34
Speaker 9: many other Western democracies around the world. That's a reality
29:38
Speaker 9: we need to live with. But I think the challenge
29:41
Speaker 9: there is not to be lured by the siren song
29:44
Speaker 9: of the successful political movement of the day, whether that's Labor,
29:47
Speaker 9: whether that's the Teals, whether that's one nation. We need
29:50
Speaker 9: to be true to our own values as liberals, and
29:53
Speaker 9: our own beliefs and our own principles. And I think
29:56
Speaker 9: if we are, and we put forward policies and positions
30:00
Speaker 9: that reflect and articulate those views and values, then the
30:03
Speaker 9: voters will find us. But I think if we go
30:04
Speaker 9: around trying to chase the latest fad. You know, one
30:07
Speaker 9: nation's doing well, so maybe we should copy them. Labor's
30:10
Speaker 9: doing well, maybe should copy them. The Teals were the
30:11
Speaker 9: last big thing. I think that the answer to our
30:14
Speaker 9: dilemma is not to be a replica of any other
30:17
Speaker 9: political movement. It's to be truly ourselves. And I think
30:20
Speaker 9: if we you know, I'm confident that if we are
30:23
Speaker 9: true to ourselves, we will re establish a position of
30:28
Speaker 9: size and strength in the Australian political system.
30:32
Speaker 4: It was a very impressive answer to a difficult question.
30:35
Speaker 4: Thanks so much for your time, Dave, appreciate it. All Right,
30:38
Speaker 4: still to come the Palestine Action Group slapped down by
30:41
Speaker 4: the Supreme Court. Well, what does this mean for their
30:44
Speaker 4: protests plus the impending leadership challenge by Angus Taylor. Well,
30:47
Speaker 4: Ray Hadley will give his view after the break. Well,
30:55
Speaker 4: some big breaking news right now out of the UK,
30:58
Speaker 4: Prince William and Princess Catherine have made their first public
31:02
Speaker 4: statement on the Jeffrey Epstein fallout, which is causing continued
31:07
Speaker 4: embarrassment for William's uncle Andrew or El spokesperson said, I
31:12
Speaker 4: can confirm the Prince and Princess have been deeply concerned
31:17
Speaker 4: by the continuing revelations.
31:19
Speaker 3: Their thoughts remain focused on the victims. So that's big news.
31:26
Speaker 4: Their first comment on the scandal. All right, let's bring
31:30
Speaker 4: it now. Radio legend. Ray Hadley is always on a Monday.
31:33
Speaker 4: Great to see you out.
31:34
Speaker 1: Oh, I've missed you. With the Christmas New Year break.
31:38
Speaker 1: That is a big story that'll be worldwide.
31:41
Speaker 4: Yeah, or in less than an hour, it'll go viral,
31:44
Speaker 4: just like you did when you came down to the
31:47
Speaker 4: side of the Bondai Massac. I think the first time,
31:49
Speaker 4: the last time I saw you in person, and your
31:51
Speaker 4: comments were so strong about the Prime Minister, about Anthony
31:54
Speaker 4: Albanezi that they just went everywhere. We've now got President
31:59
Speaker 4: Hurtzok today. He wasn't quite as strong as you, Ray,
32:04
Speaker 4: but very strong words as well. He said there's been
32:07
Speaker 4: some bashing of Israel, very diplomatic.
32:11
Speaker 3: I saw the interview.
32:12
Speaker 1: Congratulations on getting that, but it'll be interesting confrontation or
32:17
Speaker 1: meeting between the President of the Prime Minister. But I
32:22
Speaker 1: think I listened obviously to Bromwin and to Stephen prior
32:26
Speaker 1: to coming in here, and I thought Bromwin was very
32:29
Speaker 1: kind to Susan Lee. She's always very kind of everyone
32:33
Speaker 1: you would know from this program. I've been calling for
32:35
Speaker 1: her to go for the last three or four months.
32:37
Speaker 1: It's not personal, it's as a conservative person. I want
32:40
Speaker 1: the best chance to get rid of Anthony Albanezi ed
32:43
Speaker 1: hal at the next election, and she doesn't offer that.
32:47
Speaker 1: And that news poll result today is as embarrassing as
32:50
Speaker 1: it gets. I quoted today two young people, Cooper Gannon
32:56
Speaker 1: and Hannah Hutton, who are justed a New pressident vice
33:00
Speaker 1: president of the Young Liberals. They had more gumption than
33:03
Speaker 1: their senior counterparts by actually saying what everyone's been thinking.
33:07
Speaker 1: She has to go, because they said today and yesterday
33:11
Speaker 1: they think that the Liberal Party, as Jane Hume has said,
33:14
Speaker 1: is in danger of perishing unless something's done. I mean,
33:18
Speaker 1: to have one nation as a preferred second place behind
33:21
Speaker 1: Labor in primary vote is really troubling. Buthard of Angus Taylor,
33:28
Speaker 1: I think he's a really nice fella, but I would
33:31
Speaker 1: much prefer that the right stuck with Andrew Hasty, because
33:34
Speaker 1: I think the point of difference between Taylor and Hasty
33:36
Speaker 1: is marked on the right hand side. I've got an
33:39
Speaker 1: interesting story about Angus Taylor. I first met him probably
33:42
Speaker 1: about ten. He came to Parliament twenty thirteen, so I
33:45
Speaker 1: reckon twenty fourteen, fifteen or sixt and I can't remember.
33:48
Speaker 1: Tony Abbott rang Men said I want you to come
33:50
Speaker 1: to dinner at my place, kind invitation. I love.
33:55
Speaker 3: His wife Margan got there.
33:56
Speaker 1: And Angus was there, and I was surprised by that,
34:00
Speaker 1: and he was quite emphatic because I was still on
34:02
Speaker 1: radio at the time that this blake would be one
34:05
Speaker 1: day a Liberal Prime minister. Such was the support and
34:09
Speaker 1: he has been impressive, but I don't think he's quite
34:11
Speaker 1: as strong as he should be in relation to conservative values.
34:15
Speaker 1: But he'll get his chance. There'll be a spill, and
34:17
Speaker 1: I think to Bromwin Bishop's comments earlier, and I love
34:21
Speaker 1: and respect Bromin, I think for her to be dignified,
34:24
Speaker 1: Susan Lee's got to see the writing on the wall.
34:26
Speaker 1: She's got to call a spill and she's got to
34:29
Speaker 1: basically stand down it.
34:31
Speaker 4: Well, she'll only do that if she thinks she doesn't
34:34
Speaker 4: have the numbers. So if she thinks that Angus Taylor
34:37
Speaker 4: has the numbers, then then she should do that. But
34:39
Speaker 4: otherwise she's probably going to battle it out. And there
34:42
Speaker 4: has been this concern. You know, this is why the
34:45
Speaker 4: Conservatives haven't moved. First they couldn't decide between Angus Taylor
34:49
Speaker 4: and Hasty, and then it was well does the right
34:51
Speaker 4: have the numbers?
34:52
Speaker 1: Well, are they start raving mad? I'd say this to
34:55
Speaker 1: them all the MPs, the Liberal MPs upper and Lower House.
35:00
Speaker 1: Look at the poll. Are you mad? Do you want
35:03
Speaker 1: to be an opposition or in third place for the
35:05
Speaker 1: rest of your political careers? Do you want to lose
35:08
Speaker 1: seats in Victoria and New South Wales. I mean, do
35:10
Speaker 1: you want to exist into the future, You've got to
35:14
Speaker 1: change the writings on the war for goodness sake. I
35:17
Speaker 1: can't even understand why there be any consternation about removing
35:21
Speaker 1: the leader. As nice a person as she may be,
35:24
Speaker 1: but she's got no traction with the electorate. And it's
35:26
Speaker 1: one of those indefinable things. People you know, either warmed
35:30
Speaker 1: to someone or they don't, whether it's a TV personality,
35:34
Speaker 1: a radio personality or a politician, and they don't warm
35:37
Speaker 1: to it. It's as simple as that, and it's not
35:39
Speaker 1: her fault. It's just the way life is.
35:41
Speaker 4: We have seen examples of where you have a really
35:44
Speaker 4: strong politician who the electorate doesn't naturally warm to or
35:49
Speaker 4: you know, they're not likable, but they're so strong and
35:52
Speaker 4: they're such a conviction politician that people vote for them anyway,
35:55
Speaker 4: you know, Tony Abbott one example. Scott Morrison again I
35:58
Speaker 4: saw him a bit earlier. He was some drinks with Hertzog, Sorry,
36:02
Speaker 4: Scott Morris, and the same you know, because they have
36:05
Speaker 4: that conviction, they know a path forward, they're confident in
36:08
Speaker 4: their vision for the nation.
36:10
Speaker 3: And that's what's missing at the moment.
36:12
Speaker 1: Well, I think people are sick of seeing politicians with
36:14
Speaker 1: splinters in their backside trying to serve both sides of
36:17
Speaker 1: the fence. What they need is what the two young
36:20
Speaker 1: liberals said, a strong conservative voice. That's what they need.
36:23
Speaker 1: They need an alternative to the rubbish we're getting from
36:26
Speaker 1: the Prime minister and is mob that's what they want.
36:30
Speaker 4: What about these reports we've been reading ray about the
36:34
Speaker 4: Palestine protests but also infecting the classroom, this activism in
36:40
Speaker 4: the classroom. It was a story in the Daily Telegraph
36:42
Speaker 4: of the weekend.
36:43
Speaker 1: Well it's in New South Wales where people in other
36:45
Speaker 1: states and territories, and it's a cabal of Palestinian supporters
36:51
Speaker 1: that have infiltrated the Education department and basically using you know,
36:56
Speaker 1: these wonderful characters like Bluey and others to each the children.
37:01
Speaker 1: I thought they were there to learn reading, writing, arithmetic,
37:04
Speaker 1: the three ares, but apparently they're teaching them via Bluie
37:07
Speaker 1: and other characters that are much loved by the kids
37:12
Speaker 1: to suggest the Jewish people are to be hated and
37:14
Speaker 1: the Palestinian causes to be supported. Look in relation to
37:18
Speaker 1: not just that but also these protests that you've spoken about.
37:21
Speaker 1: And I saw the cross earlier and I drove through.
37:24
Speaker 4: Town to get here, and did you have any problems driving?
37:27
Speaker 3: No.
37:27
Speaker 1: The Public Order Rights squ went past me at speed
37:30
Speaker 1: a couple of times. I thought there must have been
37:31
Speaker 1: something happening somewhere. And there's a mob of police outside
37:34
Speaker 1: Central Railway Station. I don't know what was happening there,
37:37
Speaker 1: but Jack Gibson said something. The great rugby league coach
37:40
Speaker 1: is now long gone. He said this mob had Boo
37:44
Speaker 1: Santa clause and they would so if they weren't protesting
37:47
Speaker 1: about this, to be protesting about something else. Shari, well,
37:50
Speaker 1: I mean they're professional protesters and there are ragtag bunch
37:54
Speaker 1: and as Dave Sharma said, it's a relatively small number
37:59
Speaker 1: of people compared to the overall population. And you know,
38:03
Speaker 1: so we're wasting resources. As one said, there are businesses
38:07
Speaker 1: going break on the CBD because people are too scared
38:09
Speaker 1: to go in. I've said before I came into town,
38:12
Speaker 1: I really do it into the city. I mean, and
38:14
Speaker 1: I had to go into something Queen Victoria building, and
38:16
Speaker 1: you're intimidated by all these people outside town hall.
38:19
Speaker 3: You just don't want to go into the city anymore.
38:21
Speaker 3: On the weekend when the protests.
38:23
Speaker 1: Poor old Chris Mins is there. He's got three members
38:25
Speaker 1: of his parliamentary party.
38:27
Speaker 3: Well what should he do about that? Do you think?
38:29
Speaker 1: Well, he's in a difficult position because you know, he
38:33
Speaker 1: allows them to and he hasn't jumped up and down
38:35
Speaker 1: about Lawrence and others and what they've done over a
38:38
Speaker 1: period of time. And you know, if you even suggest
38:41
Speaker 1: that they're anti Semitic chak horr or not that I
38:44
Speaker 1: would say they would be, but they're certainly pro Palestine.
38:46
Speaker 1: But you know, and he's there from the left obviously,
38:49
Speaker 1: the hard left, and I guess Mens is terrified of
38:52
Speaker 1: offending them, you know, because he needs the left and
38:55
Speaker 1: he needs the unions to you know, make sure he's
38:57
Speaker 1: in power. But some at some he's a conviction politician,
39:01
Speaker 1: I think means at some stage you've got to stand
39:03
Speaker 1: up and say listen, you know, pipe down, you people.
39:06
Speaker 1: All you're doing is you know, really causing me problems
39:09
Speaker 1: and causing the city problems.
39:11
Speaker 3: Exactly.
39:12
Speaker 4: You expect them all to obey the rules that he sets,
39:15
Speaker 4: the example that he sets. And by the way, he
39:17
Speaker 4: was the first politician with the Israeli President Hurtzeg this
39:20
Speaker 4: morning at the Bondeai Memorial Sitean was so good to
39:22
Speaker 4: see him standing with him.
39:24
Speaker 1: You know what, he's a good person. And Preue Car
39:27
Speaker 1: by the way, each deputy is the education Minister and
39:31
Speaker 1: she's a fantastic woman. Proof for goodness sake, jump up
39:34
Speaker 1: and down with these people in schools teaching our kids
39:37
Speaker 1: other than what they should be teaching them.
39:39
Speaker 3: Just a palling it is, Ray, Thank you so much.
39:43
Speaker 1: Good to be back. Lovely, lovely to be back. Talk
39:45
Speaker 1: to you next week.
39:45
Speaker 3: Thank you all right, still to come.
39:48
Speaker 4: The new development in the Search for Nancy Guthrie, the
39:50
Speaker 4: mother of today's show host and leading economist Chris Richardson
39:54
Speaker 4: gives his verdict on government spending and whether it's driving
39:58
Speaker 4: up interest rates. With inflation rising and even our first
40:06
Speaker 4: interest rate rise, the Treasurer has insisted government spending isn't
40:11
Speaker 4: to blame, but on Friday, the IBA Governor Michelle Bullock
40:15
Speaker 4: was asked directly about government spending and her answer cut through.
40:19
Speaker 10: Have a look mathematically, you're right, public demand, expenditure and
40:26
Speaker 10: private sector all of that adds to demand. That's logical,
40:30
Speaker 10: is mathematical.
40:31
Speaker 4: That's what happens, and joining me now is independent economist
40:35
Speaker 4: Chris Richardson. Chris, thank you very much for your time. Look,
40:39
Speaker 4: we've seen this denial from the government that they had
40:42
Speaker 4: any role to play that government spending had anything to
40:45
Speaker 4: do with the CPI ticking up and then the interest
40:49
Speaker 4: rate rise.
40:50
Speaker 3: What's your view.
40:52
Speaker 11: Government spending has been part of the problem, It is
40:56
Speaker 11: not the only part of the problem. If you step back,
41:01
Speaker 11: inflation is essentially too much money chasing too little stuff,
41:07
Speaker 11: and in Australia that too much money. The amount of
41:09
Speaker 11: spending that we're seeing in the last little while, there's
41:13
Speaker 11: been a pickup in spending by families and by businesses
41:17
Speaker 11: and that's currently running just a little faster than public spending.
41:21
Speaker 11: But before that it was public spending that really took
41:25
Speaker 11: the running. And it doesn't matter you know where the
41:28
Speaker 11: last dollar came from to break the camel's back on
41:34
Speaker 11: inflation as it were, we have a problem that spending
41:38
Speaker 11: in Australia is running too strongly.
41:41
Speaker 4: You wrote a terrific piece in December and the finn Review,
41:45
Speaker 4: I think it was where you spoke about the revenue rainbow,
41:48
Speaker 4: saying that the Albanese government had the benefit of four
41:51
Speaker 4: hundred billion dollars more revenue.
41:54
Speaker 3: So was this a missed opportunity?
41:59
Speaker 11: I think if you look at the Australian federal budget
42:03
Speaker 11: going back over two decades, there have been a whole
42:07
Speaker 11: bunch of missed opportunities, including recently. The lucky country has
42:12
Speaker 11: been spectactually lucky in the sense that we've been able
42:16
Speaker 11: to slipstream the rise of China's economy. That's been a
42:20
Speaker 11: remarkable event that's dragged a billion people out of poverty.
42:24
Speaker 11: But it showered money on Australia too. You know, we
42:27
Speaker 11: sell rocks to the world, and the world was suddenly
42:30
Speaker 11: buying many more rocks and paying a much higher price.
42:33
Speaker 11: That meant we collected a lot more tax than we
42:36
Speaker 11: would otherwise have done. That was a moment to invest,
42:41
Speaker 11: to expand Australia's horizons in all sorts of ways, but
42:48
Speaker 11: we did not do that.
42:50
Speaker 3: And instead where you know, in debt and deficit. Yet again,
42:55
Speaker 3: as far as the eye can.
42:56
Speaker 4: See, Chris, we've seen that the Abaneze government is ta
43:00
Speaker 4: changes to the capital gains tax discount.
43:03
Speaker 3: Do you personally think this is worrying?
43:08
Speaker 11: So I've actually supported a change for a long time.
43:13
Speaker 11: We don't know yet what the change will be. It's
43:16
Speaker 11: pretty clear. I mean, they're flying a kite, but that
43:19
Speaker 11: kind is flying pretty high at the moment, so presumably
43:23
Speaker 11: something is going to happen. When we try to tax
43:30
Speaker 11: capital gains carefully. We're doing that for three reasons. You know,
43:34
Speaker 11: you don't want to tax inflation, that would be a
43:37
Speaker 11: very silly thing to do. You don't want to hit
43:40
Speaker 11: people too hard with tax in one year. You know,
43:42
Speaker 11: you earn that capital gain over a number of years.
43:46
Speaker 11: You might sell in one year, but don't tax like
43:49
Speaker 11: it was earned in that one year. And we do
43:51
Speaker 11: need to be careful with saving. Now, all those three
43:55
Speaker 11: reasons mean we need to have a proper in sn
44:00
Speaker 11: for capital gains. The way we do it at the
44:03
Speaker 11: moment is brilliantly simple, but I'm not sure it is
44:06
Speaker 11: as good on the incentive front as it might have been.
44:11
Speaker 4: All Right, Chris Richardson, always appreciate your analysis and views.
44:14
Speaker 3: Thank you. Still to come.
44:17
Speaker 4: The latest police move in the case of Nancy Guthrie,
44:20
Speaker 4: this is the missing mum of Today's show. Hosts Savannah
44:23
Speaker 4: and Donald Trump has attacked the Super Bowl halftime.
44:27
Speaker 3: Bad Bunny Show. That's after the break.
44:34
Speaker 4: Police in Arizona are now scouring a septic tank near
44:37
Speaker 4: the home of Nancy Guthrie, the missing eighty four year
44:40
Speaker 4: old mother of US Today host Savannah Guthrie. This as
44:44
Speaker 4: the search enters another tense phase. Now here's Savannah's latest
44:50
Speaker 4: blunt message to whoever has taken her mum.
44:54
Speaker 6: We two have heard the reports about a ransom letter
44:58
Speaker 6: in the media. As a family, we are doing everything
45:04
Speaker 6: that we can.
45:06
Speaker 3: We are ready to talk.
45:09
Speaker 4: I think she might have released another one as well
45:12
Speaker 4: since then we're joining me. Now is Sky News contributor
45:14
Speaker 4: Koshagata and in studio tonight in Sydney. Good to see
45:17
Speaker 4: you in personal So tell us the latest developments in
45:20
Speaker 4: this case and what we know about this new police search.
45:24
Speaker 12: It remains really mysterious and just the whole big picture.
45:27
Speaker 12: This is obviously a very prominent TV host in the US.
45:30
Speaker 12: There's all sorts of the search perimeter has been expanding.
45:33
Speaker 12: They impounded the car supposedly of Savannah Guthrie's brother in law,
45:38
Speaker 12: the sister's husband, which had people scrashing their heads, but
45:41
Speaker 12: nothing new has been reported beyond that there's some evidence
45:44
Speaker 12: in the septic tank, potentially that they're now figuring out
45:47
Speaker 12: and looking into and there's these ransom notes and sort
45:51
Speaker 12: of cryptic messages that she's been leaving in these videos
45:53
Speaker 12: saying you are they AI?
45:54
Speaker 3: Are they not AI?
45:56
Speaker 12: Just let us know that she's okay and we will
45:58
Speaker 12: pay the ransom. That's the gist of what they've been
45:59
Speaker 12: saying and all these messages. So it remains very mysterious,
46:03
Speaker 12: very high profile family member, and very sad because she's
46:07
Speaker 12: this eighty four year old lady who has a medical.
46:09
Speaker 3: Condition and we still don't really know what's going on.
46:12
Speaker 4: I know, it's so sad, and the story is just gripping.
46:15
Speaker 4: America gone global as well. Updates every day. All right,
46:20
Speaker 4: Well today it was actually quite surreal because I was
46:22
Speaker 4: at the Bondi memorial event this morning with Israeli President
46:26
Speaker 4: Isaac Hurtzog, and then as I was leaving it, and
46:29
Speaker 4: the whole of Bondi was shut down, and then I
46:31
Speaker 4: was walking past these pubs and there were people cheering
46:34
Speaker 4: and screaming, and I suddenly realized, oh, it's the super Bowl,
46:38
Speaker 4: which was on in the US. Now Trump has apparently
46:41
Speaker 4: gone after the Bad Bunny's super Bowl halftime show is
46:46
Speaker 4: called it disgusting and a slap in the face. Kosher
46:50
Speaker 4: wise he done this, and what is the Bad Bunny?
46:52
Speaker 12: So Bad Bunny is a really big musical act. It's
46:56
Speaker 12: Puerto Rican, has hundreds of millions of followers, and he
46:59
Speaker 12: was so elected to perform the halftime show. It's no
47:02
Speaker 12: coincidence that he also was presenting at the Oscars just
47:06
Speaker 12: two weeks ago or one week ago, where he sort
47:08
Speaker 12: of dissed Ice, made a comment because he's Puerto Rican
47:12
Speaker 12: heritage and like Ice out basically, and everybody in Hollywood
47:15
Speaker 12: laughed at him at the Grammys. And then I'm sure
47:17
Speaker 12: that was in coordination, is what people think that that
47:19
Speaker 12: same person was chosen here. Much of his act was
47:22
Speaker 12: a Spanish he spoke in Spanish afterwards. He had flags
47:25
Speaker 12: of all these Latin American countries next to America. And
47:28
Speaker 12: so I think that's a broader context that Trump, but
47:30
Speaker 12: a lot of his base are saying, you know, the
47:32
Speaker 12: super Bowl is the cornerstone of Americana, an American cultural institution.
47:38
Speaker 12: Let's have things in English, Let's have an iconic American
47:42
Speaker 12: musical act. And I think that's sort of the gist
47:44
Speaker 12: of why Trump was taking.
47:45
Speaker 4: And it was in LA this year, right, so it
47:47
Speaker 4: was very democratic territory. Gavin Newsom anti Trump toyed.
47:52
Speaker 12: To it in Santa Clara and yes, exactly, And that's
47:54
Speaker 12: just the topic du jour right now. So even if
47:57
Speaker 12: he didn't come out overtly with anything political this act,
48:00
Speaker 12: but everybody knows where he stands, and that was sort
48:02
Speaker 12: of the undertone that I think Trump is pushing back.
48:04
Speaker 3: Yes.
48:05
Speaker 4: Meanwhile, turning point, USA did some other rival halftime act
48:11
Speaker 4: that went viral.
48:11
Speaker 3: Tell me about that.
48:12
Speaker 12: That was interesting where they are saying, we're going to
48:15
Speaker 12: counter program and you know, the NFL doesn't have to
48:18
Speaker 12: have a monopoly on the halftime show. The stuff they're
48:20
Speaker 12: putting out is alienating half the country that doesn't agree
48:23
Speaker 12: with that political sentiment. So let's do our own show.
48:26
Speaker 12: And they had kid rock and they had very pro
48:28
Speaker 12: America country bands and national anthem and all this stuff,
48:32
Speaker 12: and it got anywhere from five to six million views
48:35
Speaker 12: on social media, which is peanuts compared to the ratings
48:38
Speaker 12: of the super Bowl, but.
48:39
Speaker 4: It's still pretty respectful to roughly the writings at super Bowl.
48:42
Speaker 12: I think it's twenty thirty million people watching that, but
48:44
Speaker 12: it is for something a small company turning point that
48:47
Speaker 12: pulled it together in two months. It's pretty remarkable, and
48:49
Speaker 12: I think maybe it's a little bit of a sign
48:51
Speaker 12: of what we might see with the fracturing of the
48:54
Speaker 12: entertainment industry complex, with distribution and everything being more democratized,
48:58
Speaker 12: you might see rival county programming, and I think that's
49:01
Speaker 12: a good thing.
49:02
Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, well Trump, meanwhile, I was facing backlash
49:05
Speaker 4: after this racist meme video was shout on his social media.
49:09
Speaker 4: It showed the Obamas portrayed as apes, so clearly a
49:21
Speaker 4: very shocking video.
49:22
Speaker 3: But Trump won't apologize.
49:25
Speaker 6: A number of publicans are calling on you to apologize
49:29
Speaker 6: for the post.
49:30
Speaker 3: Is that something you're.
49:31
Speaker 7: Going to do?
49:32
Speaker 13: No, I didn't make a mistake. I mean, if I
49:34
Speaker 13: look at a lot of thousands of things, and I
49:39
Speaker 13: looked at the beginning of it, it was fine, and
49:41
Speaker 13: they had that one post, and I guess it was
49:43
Speaker 13: a takeoff by the way a lot of people covered.
49:46
Speaker 13: If you look at where it came from, a lot
49:48
Speaker 13: of I guess it was a takeoff on the lion
49:50
Speaker 13: Keg And certainly it was a very strong post in
49:56
Speaker 13: terms of voter fraud. Nobody knew that that was at
49:58
Speaker 13: the end. If they would have looked a would have
50:00
Speaker 13: seen it, and probably they would have had the sense
50:02
Speaker 13: to take it down.
50:03
Speaker 3: But that was a takeoff for the Lion King, and.
50:05
Speaker 13: A lot of people were covered, were different in different positions.
50:11
Speaker 3: So kosher. Will this be problematic in the midterms.
50:14
Speaker 12: I don't think so, just because there's so much swirl
50:17
Speaker 12: that happens, and a week is a lifetime in politics,
50:19
Speaker 12: and this will probably be forgotten by then. Obviously was
50:22
Speaker 12: a pretty stupid video at the end of that. But
50:25
Speaker 12: I take his point, and I think President Trump realizes
50:28
Speaker 12: that if you apologize, you give an inch, and they
50:30
Speaker 12: will just make hay out of that and blow it
50:32
Speaker 12: out of proportion. His point is the election fraud, which
50:35
Speaker 12: is one of his cornerstone issues, and that's what he
50:37
Speaker 12: was focusing on in the video, and he said this
50:39
Speaker 12: was a bad ending, but he didn't see it. And
50:42
Speaker 12: I think the implication there is that he's there's racist
50:45
Speaker 12: suggestions to it, and he's just rejecting that that he's
50:47
Speaker 12: not calling them anything racial, he's just saying that they
50:50
Speaker 12: were bad.
50:50
Speaker 3: He was a bad president.
50:52
Speaker 4: But he did rightly condemn the video. Y, I mean,
50:55
Speaker 4: he did make it pretty clear that he didn't support
50:57
Speaker 4: the video. That's right, yeah, all right, kosher. Great see
51:00
Speaker 4: you in person. Thank you so much, pleasure, and thank
51:03
Speaker 4: you everyone for your company this evening. I'll see you
51:07
Speaker 4: on Wednesday night at eight o'clock. And right now, here's
51:09
Speaker 4: poor Murray in the man cave.