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Roman Bystrianyk on why no vaccine, ever, has worked · UK Column Radio

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  You didn't just write a book. You and Susan Humphries Carlson,
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  one of the pivotal books on the history of vaccines.
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  I mean she wasn't Rogan recently chatting about.
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  It. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  I mean, that's not what I intended to do.
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  I was just doing research and I just, after a while, I had
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  enough information and data that I thought I should share it
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  because no one seemed to know it.
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  Why? I don't, you know, I was like,
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  why wouldn't people know this? It's it's in the CDC databases.
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  It's in National Health Service databases.
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  It's all through the medical literature.
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  So why wouldn't anybody know it? But apparently they didn't.
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  I have I have the 10th anniversary edition because it's
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  where's where's the camera? There it is Wait, there we go.
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  No, there we go. There it is.
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  And I have the one that you never speak about, but the.
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  Oh yeah, The Companion. Yeah, that's that.
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  That was fun. That's got a timeline in it and
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  hundreds of doctors quotes that were against vaccination and
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  against the medical system in general and all sorts of goodies
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  in there. But it's not a book to read.
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  It's just more of a reference. Here's another good book, not by
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  you, but Turtles All the Way Down.
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  It's a great accessory to to your book.
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  I've heard that, but I haven't read it and I generally don't
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  read other books. I agree.
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  That sounds. That sounded really stupid,
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  didn't it? I don't read the current books,
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  I read old stuff. It's like a musician saying I
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  don't listen to any other music, I just.
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  Listen to my no, when I when I started this, I just said I'm
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  just going to read all the literature and ignore any
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  current like books that have been written so I wouldn't get
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  biassed right. So, so I kind of stick with
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  that. So I don't really read any.
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  Roman, this is your first appearance on my UK column show.
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  So for my UK column audience who might not know who you are, what
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  is your background? Very quickly, let's get it out
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  of the way so that it's not boring.
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  Well, it is boring. So I have an engineering
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  background. I did computers for a lot of
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  years and at one point I had young kids.
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  I'm going to keep it short, right?
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  So I had young kids and I decided that after listening to
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  the Gary Knoll programme that, you know, I was a little worried
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  about neurological damage of from vaccines.
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  I didn't think it was that big of a deal.
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  But I did some research and I started reading books and I
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  found a book by Neil Miller. And then there was a chart
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  showing the client and mortality rate of measles by 95% before
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  there was a vaccine in 1963. And I thought, well, this guy's
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  a lunatic. This can't be true because I had
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  a belief system in vaccines. I don't know where it came from,
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  but I didn't anyway, so I went to a local library and I found
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  Almanacks and the third one if I got some data from there every
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  10 years from measles deaths. And I charted it on my graph
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  paper. So this was over 25 years ago
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  and it was basically the same chart.
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  And I still didn't believe it because I thought, you know,
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  maybe the Almanacks wrong. I mean, I just, I just couldn't
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  accept it. So then I ended up going to Yale
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  Medical where I walked in, had no idea what I was doing, and I
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  found these big olive green books called US Vital
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  Statistics. I was like, well, it's probably
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  in there. So I started getting data from
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  there. I went in back and put in my
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  spreadsheet and eventually I charted it and I had this chart
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  of measles, which we'll see in a little while that showed a
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  decline of 98% in mortality for measles before there was a
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  vaccine, which just blew my mind.
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  And then I saw that for all sorts of other diseases
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  something just didn't fit. And I questioned myself a long
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  time. I thought maybe I did something
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  wrong. Am I misinterpreting the data?
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  But eventually I realised the data's correct.
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  Our perceptions of reality were incorrect, or at least my
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  perceptions were. And then so I started writing
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  for a little while. I had some proto chapters and I
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  knew I had to have a doctor and I heard Suzanne Humphreys on the
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  air on Gary. No actually I think it was.
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  I didn't know who it was. I just turned tuned in in the
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  middle and I heard this lady. I was like she's talking about
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  smallpox and I was like I listened for a while.
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  I was like that's my Co author. I knew it was.
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  I gave her a call. We got together, spent four
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  years, got the book out. Short story.
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  So what is the gist of of of your work?
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  Using data and history to, you know, really kind of just
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  understand what really happened as far as infectious diseases,
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  what our real history is, what caused the decline in infectious
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  diseases? Could it couldn't have been
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  vaccines or antibiotics because this came in near the tail end,
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  as we'll see in these charts. So the charts is where I started
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  and then I dig dug deeper into the the medical literature and
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  found all sorts of very interesting things going on and
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  I'm still learning new things. There's always more to learn.
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  And so that's the gist of the book.
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  There's a lot of, you know, subtopics like eugenics, that
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  type of thing that was served in the 19, early 1900s, late 1800s
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  and how that was used to justify even compulsory vaccinations.
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  So if we can like sterilise people, then we can, you know,
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  enforce vaccinations and all sorts of stuff like that that's,
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  you know, you don't learn about in school generally or in just
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  regular old books. And I never found out this stuff
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  in them and the normal literature.
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  Show me some shots. Sure.
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  So we'll start, let's see. Hopefully I'm moving here.
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  So anybody who has wants to get this information or wants to
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  contact me, here's my contact stuff, right.
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  So we'll start with the data. So This Is Us Vital statistics
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  data and it shows disease rates for five infectious diseases.
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  And it also shows when we had mass production of penicillin,
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  streptomycin and where the whooping cough vaccine and
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  measles vaccine came in and there's no scarlet fever
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  vaccine, right? So these this is what happened
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  from the early 19 from 1900 on. So all these disease mortality
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  rates declined. And then later on these
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  interventions came in and the last one coming in as the
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  measles vaccine in 1963. And this is where we basically
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  have a 98% decline in mortality, whooping cough down 90 / 90%
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  before they came out with a vaccine.
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  So clearly there's some other factors that were involved in
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  the decline in mortality. So they, they have statistics
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  starting in 1900 in England, they began in 1838.
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  And you can see the mortality rate, especially for a scarlet
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  fever was huge. Scarlet fever was a big killer
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  and you see these big spikes up and down.
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  Then around 1875, these things start to decline until you came
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  out with ADTP vaccine in 1957 in England and we're down over 99%.
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  Measles vaccine 1968, we're down 100% virtually.
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  So these things were not a big problem by the time that medical
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  underventions came out. And so you have penicillin again
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  in 1944 and these types of antibiotics and other medical
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  interventions. So it wasn't even medical
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  interventions to 'cause this massive decline in death rate.
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  And you can see it even in various states.
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  Here's Massachusetts and here you have tuberculosis.
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  Tuberculosis was one of the biggest killers in the 1800s,
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  but you never really hear about tuberculosis much in the United
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  States is not even part of the vaccine schedule.
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  So that basically went down to 0.
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  All these diseases you can see a measles is at the bottom there,
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  the green line. And that hit near 0 for quite a
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  few years before they came out with a vaccine.
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  And if anybody wants to actually verify the data, you can go
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  here, go to the link. Here's all the data that was
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  used to create that chart back here.
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  So this is the very first chart I created, the green one that's
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  measles deaths. And you can see in 1963 that's
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  we're down about 98%. The chart on the left is from
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  the US Vital Statistics report, but in the 60s.
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  So this is actually in this particular report that the CDC
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  had, but essentially no one seemed to pay attention to the,
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  you know, low mortality rate that we're kind of obsessed with
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  doing vaccines. Some of these charts show up in
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  other books. This one's from a particular
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  book and you can see the vaccine, which actually was
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  introduced in 1957 was already down 98% or so.
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  And here they say in in there and they in that book, they say
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  you were down 97% in mortality rate from 19 O 1 to 1945.
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  So pretty much the problem was solved.
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  You also have these various quotes from medical journals.
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  This is from 1959 where they're talking about how measles was
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  not really a serious disease. And I can spend more time in any
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  of these quotes, but I don't want to like take too much time,
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  right? And here's 1 from 1960 where
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  they're questioning whether because whooping cough was a
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  mild disease by this point there, he was questioning
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  whether we really need to have a vaccine in the 1st place.
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  And another article in The Lancet 1977, no evidence of
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  vaccination played a major role in decline in incidence and
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  mortality, which is what we see in these charts.
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  We see the the mortality had already been taken care of,
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  right? The funny thing, Roman, is that
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  people don't like history. So they'll they'll immediately
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  respond by saying something like, yeah, but that was 50
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  years ago. That was seven years ago.
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  We have a much better understanding now.
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  Yeah, I guess. But the data is the data.
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  The data shows you exactly what happened.
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  And history is boring. Yeah, I agree.
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  I hated history when I was in high school.
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  I was like, history. No thanks.
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  Boring. No.
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  I think, I think what I'm what I'm suggesting is that it
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  actually is important what was happening historically because.
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  Oh yeah, it's it's it's incredibly important because
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  without knowing the history, you just buy into whatever the
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  current paradigm is. So the paradigm is vaccine saved
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  us. This is what we need to do.
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  But when you look at the data, the mortality rate for every
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  disease I'm talking to, every single so called infectious
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  disease was down almost 100% or 100%.
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  So you take tuberculosis, we don't vaccinate for that in the
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  United States. That's not a real problem.
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  Scarlet fever went to 0 without a vaccine.
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  And then you have the ones you know about which are whooping
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  cough and measles because we have a vaccine.
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  That's why you know about them. If we never had a vaccine, you
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  wouldn't even think about measles or whooping cough.
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  It wouldn't even be on your radar because it would be.
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  So, you know, it would be considered mild.
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  So just like it's saying in this Journal of Epidemiology and
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  Community Health back in 1981, what are we saying here?
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  Whooping cough, muses, are no longer important causes of death
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  or severe illness, and it's only occurring in a small minority of
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  children who are disadvantaged, malnourished.
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  Otherwise, most children get over it and without too much
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  trouble, which is different than at least my perception was that
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  these diseases were really deadly.
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  Whooping cough, which is basically coughed to death.
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  Measles would somehow just, you know, totally take you over and
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  kill you. This is my perception.
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  But it turned out that wasn't even, that wasn't true either.
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  All these diseases became more and more mild until they were
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  just not a major part of mortality statistics.
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  But if you listen to the media and it's like every time there's
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  a measles case, people think they're all going to die.
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  So, but it's just simply not true.
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  And this is a very important study. 500 consecutive cases of
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  whooping cough back in 95. And the conclusion is most cases
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  are mild and you don't have to worry about, parents can be
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  reassured. A serious outcome is unlikely.
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  Now, most people think whooping cough, like I said, you're
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  basically coughed to death and that's what's going to happen.
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  This is not what happens. And you can there's there's
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  different journal articles and books from the time that talked
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  about the decline in mortality rate from these diseases were
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  down 90% before 1940, before there was anything available.
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  This guy McCormick, this is a really long quote from 1951.
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  And he was noticing that the the decline in all these diseases
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  had nothing to do with basically any kind of medical intervention
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  because the ones they had medical interventions for
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  declined at the same rate. The ones they didn't have, which
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  is what you see in the charts. McKinley talked about this.
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  Medical measures had very little to do with the mortality
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  decline. We always are told that it's our
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  medical system that did it right.
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  And it's generally that's not true.
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  It's our, you know, our health improved radically from the
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  1800s into the mid 1900s. That's what really did things,
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  you know, and there's a whole bunch of things behind that.
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  Engineering projects, electricity, replacing horses
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  with cars, sanitation, hygiene, all these things came in.
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  That's what really caused the mortality decline.
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  It wasn't these medical interventions.
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  And you can see that in the chart.
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  So they had a chart in their study.
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  You see the the, the solid line going down, down, down.
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  And you also see very interesting the GDP, how much we
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  spend on healthcare from 1930s goes up, up, up starts at 3 1/2%
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  and by the 1970s, eight and a half percent.
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  And now we're actually close to 18% of our GDP, or one in $5
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  spent on healthcare. So and now and now people are
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  the unhealthiest they've ever been.
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  Yeah, I think my opinion is that we peaked.
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  We had peak health in the 60s, seventies, 50s, sixties, 70s.
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  After, you know, around 1980, things started going downhill
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  and we got hooked on medications to fix everything.
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  We got hooked on junk foods, we got hooked on the Internet and
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  all these things that made us weaker and weaker and less
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  healthy obesities, you know, off the charts.
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  Vitamin D deficiency is really rampant and people are unfit.
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  You can go to like a Walmart or in a big box store and you see
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  people walking around and they're not doing too good and
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  people are in little carts and you know, people are pale.
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  They're just unhealthy looking for the most part.
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  There's, there's exceptions, but the this is not what it was like
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  in the 50s and 60s and 70s. People are generally thin and
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  you know, relatively fit. But now it's just just, you
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  know, the health of our societies have degraded,
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  especially in the Western, Western world.
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  It's a good point that you made now about the Western world,
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  because I think in many Eastern bloc or just Eastern countries,
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  I mean you still don't really see I really.
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  Yeah, I really don't know. I've seen a few videos like from
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  Moscow or some places in China and people look relatively thin
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  still and they look relatively healthy.
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  Is that, you know, I don't have any data on that, but that's
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  just my perception. Yeah, I mean, I was in Hong Kong
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  last year and I struggled to find any fat people.
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  Yeah, a number of years ago. Well, this is now about 20 years
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  ago or 15 years ago, I was in Stockholm and I was shocked.
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  People were walking around. Everybody looked pretty, pretty,
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  pretty good shape. And that wasn't the case.
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  When I came back to New York City, I was like, wow, what a
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  difference, you know, quite shocking.
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  I don't know how Stockholm is now, but that was because that
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  was a while ago. But yeah, other other places
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  are, you know, doing fairly well health wise.
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  United States not so much in other Western countries I
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  understand too, like Australia. So people go well, you know, at
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  least we have a vaccine and the vaccine is giving us extra
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  protection. So here in this chart we have
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  from England from basically nineteen O 1 to 2008.
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  And we had the more this is like the total number of deaths from
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  whooping cough and the whooping cough vaccine came in way at the
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  tail end 1957. And in the in the 70s there was
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  a scare about the DTP vaccine causing neurological damage,
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  which it did. And we see a drop in vaccination
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  and the medical system panicked and they got the vaccination
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  rates back up. That's the dotted blue line.
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  But you'll see that during that big drop, there's no increase in
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  deaths. Nothing, nothing happened.
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  There might have been more cases because they were looking for
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  them, but nothing really happened right.
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  Then we have an example of Sweden where they were 84% of
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  the children who had three shots were still being found to have
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  whooping cough by, you know, whatever test they were using.
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  And they determined the DTV vaccine was ineffective and
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  there was concerns over safety. So they discontinued nationally
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  the 9/19/79, the whooping cough vaccine.
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  And so for 17 years they had no national programme for whooping
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  cough. And you can see in this chart,
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  by 1953, most of the problem was already taken care of anyway.
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  And for those 17 years, there is really no difference in
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  mortality rate from, you know, from whooping cough.
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  There was it's basically didn't do anything.
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  So they had they were just as good having no vaccine as having
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  a vaccine as far as mortality rate from whooping cough.
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  And so then some people tell me, well, at least we have some
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  protection and so we should do it anyway.
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  OK, but you're, you're these guys are they screw around with
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  your biology without really knowing what they're doing.
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  So what they replace the DTP vaccine, which they found
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  eventually, you know, they finally conceded that, yeah, it
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  caused some neurological damage. So they came out with a so
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  called safer vaccine, the Dtap. The the small A is attenuated
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  pertussis. And this is from Doctor James
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  Cherry. And everybody should go find
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  this article and read it. And what he's saying here is all
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  children primed by the DTAP vaccine will be more susceptible
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  to whooping cough throughout their lifetimes.
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  And there was no easy way to decrease this increased lifetime
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  susceptibility. So what he's saying here is we
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  with this linked epitome suppression, they've messed up
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  your immune system response permanently.
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  So now you're more susceptible to whooping cough.
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  So he also suggested that and this guy is the world expert on
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  pertussis and pertussis immunisation.
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  So he, he recommended that everybody should get a vaccine
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  for the rest of your lives every three years for the D TAP
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  because it wears off. And so he, this is his way of
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  like, oh, well, how are we going to protect everybody?
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  Well, we'll just vaccinate everybody every three years.
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  Back in the, in the 50s, it was supposed to be one shot protects
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  you for life. But now it's like, oh, well, you
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  just have to take a shot every three years, no big deal.
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  So by screwing up your immune system forever, they that's what
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  they're recommending. So everybody should be really
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  disturbed by this. I was disturbed by this when I
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  first read it. And everybody should download
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  it. And then you can always ask your
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  doctor and say, Hey, what about this?
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  Why is my immune system screwed up?
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  Did you guys know this? No, they didn't know when they
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  were doing this. They just assumed it was a
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  better idea. And they just start doing it on
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  the, on the, on the population. Then we can talk about the flu
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  vaccine that's a little different.
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  So flu and pneumonia deaths down 90% before there was a vaccine.
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  So there still was somewhat of a problem, right?
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  And then they began vaccinating in the 70s, there was a big
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  swine flu disaster. So vaccination rates peaked up a
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  little bit and went back down. And by the, you know, 2000s were
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  at like 95% or whatever it is, 80 percent, 7580%.
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  In 65 year olds or or older, but you'll see here the brown line,
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  that's the mortality rate and the mortality rate after 40
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  years is essentially the same. So the flu vaccine hasn't
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  decreased mortality. It's basically they're, they're
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  always emphasising get your flu vaccine, get your flu vaccine.
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  But the death rate hasn't changed in over 40 years.
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  It's actually longer than that. I've updated the chart since
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  then But so it's about 50 years of no real no benefit.
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  And this is a very interesting quote and every should get this
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  too from cell host and microbe. And this is Fauci is the third
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  author on this and I'm just going to read the whole thing
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  cuz it's important. After more than 60 years of
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  experience with influenza vaccines, very little
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  improvement in vaccine prevention of infection has been
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  noted. As pointed out decades ago and
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  still true today, the rates of effectiveness are best approved
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  influenza vaccines. I should move this out of the
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  way would be inadequate for licensure for most other vaccine
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  preventable diseases. It is not surprising that none
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  of the mucosal respiratory viruses have ever been
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  controlled by vaccines. So viruses, mucosal respiratory
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  virus. High mortality rates have thus
• 21:15
  far eluded vaccine development efforts.
• 21:18
  So this is an admission that the vaccine for the flu has not
• 21:22
  worked, but we're still going to do it.
• 21:24
  They still recommended every year.
• 21:26
  So they're not looking at their own literature and saying, well,
• 21:29
  this has not worked. What they're doing is they're
• 21:31
  coming out with new vaccines because they have new ideas
• 21:34
  after 60 years of failure. Well, let's try it this way.
• 21:37
  Maybe that will work. And then they experiment on the
• 21:39
  public because the public doesn't know they're being
• 21:40
  experimented on. And This is why it's good to
• 21:43
  know history. It's good to know what's going
• 21:45
  on in the medical literature. And, you know, it's really
• 21:48
  important. And I think if you know this
• 21:51
  stuff, you, you go back and go, yeah, you start questioning
• 21:55
  everything just like I did. So the final thoughts on all
• 22:02
  this, you know, contrary to popular belief, it wasn't
• 22:07
  antibiotics and vaccines that saved us from all these various
• 22:10
  things, from scarlet fever to tuberculosis and, you know,
• 22:14
  whooping cough and measles. It was something else.
• 22:17
  It wasn't vaccines because sometimes you didn't even have a
• 22:20
  vaccine, as in the case of scarlet fever, or they're not
• 22:23
  really used, as in the case of tuberculosis, which by the way,
• 22:26
  again, tuberculosis was the giant killer.
• 22:29
  That was around 400 to 450 deaths per 100,000.
• 22:34
  And then scarlet fever was like 120 deaths per 100,000.
• 22:38
  Whooping cough and measles were down in the 40s to 60.
• 22:41
  So just they were a lot less bigger of a problem than these
• 22:45
  other diseases. But we don't really think about
• 22:47
  the other diseases because we don't have a whooping.
• 22:49
  You know, we have a whooping cough vaccine, We have a measles
• 22:51
  vaccine. And that's why we know about
• 22:54
  those. The other ones we forgot about,
• 22:56
  even though those were much bigger killers.
• 23:00
  So then comes the question which I had was like, well, if it
• 23:02
  wasn't that, what did change? You know, why did we have a
• 23:06
  decline in mortality rate? And we have this perception of
• 23:09
  the good old days where people had top hats and twirled
• 23:12
  parasols and everything was just wonderful.
• 23:14
  But that's not how most people lived.
• 23:16
  It just hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on.
• 23:18
  Yeah, This, this, this thing about everything being terrible
• 23:23
  only really occurred after the advent of the Industrial
• 23:26
  Revolution, right? Yeah, a lot of that is true,
• 23:30
  right. So you have people streaming
• 23:32
  into cities, overcrowding, this is later, this is in the 30's,
• 23:37
  the Hooverville, this is outside this big cities, you know,
• 23:40
  economic problems, right, Right. So what you had is, you know,
• 23:46
  starting in the late 1700s, early 1800s, you start to have
• 23:49
  people crowding into these cities.
• 23:51
  So you had to have this horrible housing where people were just
• 23:54
  crammed in there and it was filled with their own waste.
• 23:57
  It was filled with vermin. And this is how a lot of people
• 24:00
  lived. So if you, if you looked at the,
• 24:03
  let's say, 1850s London, you had the West End where the rich
• 24:06
  people lived. It was, you know, pretty good.
• 24:09
  It was OK. They had some paved streets and
• 24:12
  generally they were OK. Then you had the West End of
• 24:15
  London where there were hundreds of thousands of people living on
• 24:18
  the, you know, what they called the ragged edge of the misery.
• 24:21
  They were extremely poor. They were malnourished.
• 24:24
  They lived in their own faeces and, and people had to, you
• 24:28
  know, do whatever they could to make a make a penny.
• 24:31
  And you know, over 80,000 women turn to prostitution just to
• 24:35
  make some kind of money. So it was really just an amazing
• 24:41
  divergent a few miles apart and at the rich over here.
• 24:44
  And then you had the miserable pour over here that struggle to
• 24:46
  stay alive. There's no sanitation or sewage.
• 24:52
  Everything just went into the streets.
• 24:54
  So you would just throw all your waste into the into those into
• 24:57
  the streets, or you have some kind of common Privy and all
• 25:00
  that stuff ended up going to your water supply, which was
• 25:03
  mixed with industrial waste from Tanners and other factories.
• 25:08
  So that was all where your water came from and you would have to
• 25:10
  drink that. So now you're drinking
• 25:12
  contaminated water. We also had no real good
• 25:16
  transportation except everything was done with horses and they
• 25:19
  had to go to the bathroom too. So they pooped in the streets
• 25:21
  and peed in the streets and that went into your water supply or
• 25:24
  you walk through it and dragged it into your your house or
• 25:27
  apartment or Hubble. So that's another thing that we
• 25:31
  had back then. We also had enormous amounts of
• 25:34
  air pollution because how did you heat everything coal?
• 25:38
  How did you do anything with, with industry's coal?
• 25:40
  And you burnt coal and it went up into the atmosphere.
• 25:43
  And the London fog was not a fog like I used to think when I was
• 25:47
  a kid. Oh, it's just foggy in London.
• 25:48
  OK. No, that was just industrial
• 25:50
  pollution. So that come down and settle
• 25:53
  onto the streets. Sometimes it was so bad you
• 25:56
  couldn't even see the sun at at noon.
• 25:58
  So you're now you're in a industrial chimney breathing
• 26:01
  this stuff in, day in, day out. So that's another impact on your
• 26:05
  health. The food supply was abysmal
• 26:09
  because we didn't have refrigeration.
• 26:10
  So, you know, things would get slaughtered.
• 26:12
  A lot of times they slaughtered animals inside the cities.
• 26:15
  And this is what you ate. You just ate food that was
• 26:17
  decaying. It was, you know, you know, some
• 26:21
  of the milk, milk was horribly infected with contamination.
• 26:26
  And so people are eating this disease food when they're living
• 26:30
  in this horrible environment. At various times, there's people
• 26:34
  just basically starving to death.
• 26:35
  They're just literally starving to death.
• 26:38
  So of course you wouldn't be too healthy if you're starving to
• 26:40
  death. We just mentioned the gross
• 26:43
  overcrowding. So you had tonnes and tonnes of
• 26:45
  people just jammed in. And this is kind of a
• 26:48
  horrifying. So people would die in these
• 26:51
  apartments, their family members would die and that's where they
• 26:54
  stayed. The rotting corpses would stay
• 26:56
  with them because they had to somehow get these people buried,
• 27:00
  right? So, so you had these people
• 27:02
  jammed in together. Working was horrifying.
• 27:07
  A lot of people had to work 12/16/18 hours a day just to try
• 27:12
  to stay alive. So not only were they
• 27:15
  malnourished, living in a industrial toilet, breathing in
• 27:18
  smog, but they also had to work and huge amounts of time it, you
• 27:22
  know, really just mind numbing, soul crushing labour.
• 27:27
  And you know, and this is shocking because no one would
• 27:30
  actually do this these, you know, these days is child
• 27:34
  labour. So you had children as young as
• 27:36
  3-4 or five years old working in mines, working in factories.
• 27:40
  And it's not surprising that a lot of these children ended up
• 27:44
  just basically destroyed, you know, basically cripples their,
• 27:48
  their health would have been just completely destroyed.
• 27:52
  And then if you did get sick with something, whatever it may
• 27:55
  be, here's a case of a 7 year old girl who was working, who
• 27:58
  was probably malnourished, who was, you know, working non stop
• 28:05
  and exposed to these elements. And then she got some kind of
• 28:07
  case of measles and then died, died in the sun.
• 28:11
  And then we had medicine coming in and they had a lot of very
• 28:15
  bizarre notions. They were bleeding people for
• 28:18
  centuries for almost every condition.
• 28:20
  They were giving people toxic medications based on mercury and
• 28:23
  arsenic and strychnine. And they had this thing called a
• 28:27
  hot regimen for things like like smallpox where they would put
• 28:31
  you in a room, deprive you of fresh air, fresh water, maybe
• 28:35
  give you a little mercury and keep you very hot.
• 28:37
  And a lot of people just died from that treatment.
• 28:39
  So they might be treating smallpox or measles, but then
• 28:43
  the treatment itself was deadly. And then there are, there's
• 28:47
  hundreds of doctors that realise vaccination and the only vaccine
• 28:51
  then was against smallpox. And we like to think, you know,
• 28:55
  we have a vaccine. You take a nice clean hypodermic
• 28:58
  needle put in your arm. But that's not what the original
• 29:02
  vaccine was. What they would do is they would
• 29:03
  take a sharp instrument called The Lancet and they would cut
• 29:06
  your arm repeatedly. And then we take this pus from
• 29:09
  some unknown source and smear it into your arm.
• 29:12
  And that's what a vaccine was. And so you can imagine you might
• 29:16
  get sepsis, you might get all these different diseases because
• 29:19
  you're putting some unknown material filled with microbes
• 29:24
  and putting it into your blood supply.
• 29:25
  So there are a lot of doctors like this, Henry G Hanchett,
• 29:28
  who, you know, determined that vaccination is worthless and
• 29:32
  it's harmful and creates all these other diseases.
• 29:37
  This is a sketch from the Poor man's Guardian in the 1847.
• 29:42
  And this is a representation of how people lived.
• 29:45
  So you have that middle layer. It's just they're just jammed in
• 29:47
  there. Upstairs, there's a bunch of
• 29:49
  beds that people are jammed into.
• 29:51
  And people even lived in the in the basement.
• 29:53
  They have basement apartments where people lived in the sewer
• 29:57
  with a vermin. This is where they lived.
• 29:59
  It's just pretty unimaginable because that would have been
• 30:02
  filled with faeces and rats and cockroaches.
• 30:05
  But that's where you would stay. And this is how millions of
• 30:09
  people live their lives. And this is I was talking about
• 30:14
  in London in the 1860s, you have hundreds of thousands in the
• 30:18
  East End of London that were the miserable poor and, you know,
• 30:22
  80,000 women turning to prostitution people.
• 30:24
  You know, just, it was just horrifying.
• 30:28
  And so you have all these things, hazardous housing,
• 30:30
  sewage, the horses dropping dung everywhere, the coal in the
• 30:35
  atmosphere. And by the way, you're also
• 30:37
  blocking out sunlight so you're not in the way people dressed.
• 30:40
  You got almost no sunlight on your skin.
• 30:42
  So vitamin D levels would have been near 0.
• 30:44
  Vitamin C was already probably near 0. vitamin A was probably
• 30:47
  near 0. So you're massively
• 30:50
  malnourished. So you have also starvation,
• 30:53
  overcrowding, the brutal punishing work, child labour,
• 30:56
  neglected care, deadly medicine and vaccination.
• 31:00
  How could anybody be healthy? And so, you know, despite the
• 31:06
  way I used to think about things that there was, it was really
• 31:09
  nice. They had carriages and they went
• 31:10
  to the balls and it was really nice.
• 31:12
  That's not the way it was for a lot of people.
• 31:15
  There's a poor girl who was a one of these people working in
• 31:18
  the cotton factories early 1900s.
• 31:24
  So what changed? There was a massive health
• 31:27
  revolution. That's what I call, they used to
• 31:29
  call the sanitation revolution. And what's what started shifting
• 31:35
  is what I already mentioned. So we started having different
• 31:37
  things change throughout the many decades starting around
• 31:43
  1870 and going all the way to, you know, 1940s, fifties and
• 31:46
  60s. And so we have public water
• 31:49
  coming in, pipes and sewers, hand washing, getting rid of all
• 31:52
  these slum apartments, moving in the industries outside from the
• 31:56
  outside, the cities, tanneries and slaughterhouses, improving
• 32:01
  the milk supply, union and labour laws, child labour laws,
• 32:04
  public schools, people. Instead of going to factories,
• 32:07
  you went to school and learn how to read and write.
• 32:08
  So that was great. Proper handling of of food,
• 32:14
  vastly better nutrition, fruits and vegetables, exercise,
• 32:17
  sunshine, great engineering projects.
• 32:20
  Electricity has transformed the world.
• 32:23
  Now you have a refrigeration, you have cars instead of horses
• 32:26
  carrying Everything Everywhere, the flush toilet tackling the
• 32:29
  water and air pollution. No more bleeding, no more
• 32:33
  medications based on mercury and arsenic, less smallpox
• 32:36
  vaccination. So what they did for 100 years,
• 32:39
  they would put that puss in your arm and go from arm to arm to
• 32:42
  arm. So they had arm to arm
• 32:43
  vaccination for 100 years and basically just the overall
• 32:47
  general improvement in society and standard of living.
• 32:51
  This is what changed everything. Yes, but it doesn't make money.
• 32:56
  It doesn't make money for the Pharmaceutical industry.
• 32:58
  It makes money for farmers and engineers, but that's not a lot
• 33:01
  of money. So what you're telling me,
• 33:04
  ultimately, Roman, is that vaccines didn't eradicate these
• 33:14
  diseases, plumbers did? Yeah, plumbers, engineers, there
• 33:19
  was hundreds of thousands of people, activists that said
• 33:23
  we're going to clean up the streets, we're going to get rid
• 33:25
  of these slums. You know, all these things came.
• 33:28
  We're not going to let children four or five or six work in in
• 33:31
  factories anymore. We'll only allow 12 year olds
• 33:34
  and then 16 year olds and 18 year olds.
• 33:36
  And then we said, well, we're not going to let people work 70
• 33:39
  hours a week, 80 hours a week in horrible conditions.
• 33:42
  We're going to clean up the factories.
• 33:44
  We're going to limit it to 60 hours, 50 hours, 40 hours.
• 33:47
  So then eventually we had life in the, you know, forties, 50s
• 33:51
  and 60s was so much different than it was in the 1800s.
• 33:56
  So anybody alive in the 1800s would have been just blown away
• 33:58
  at the transformation. So essentially it went from life
• 34:03
  like this to life like this. And these are pictures from the
• 34:08
  50s, sixties and 70s. That's how I grew up on them
• 34:13
  bottom right hand corner with the little bikes and everything.
• 34:15
  It's great and horrible clothes that my mom made me wear, but
• 34:19
  you know, so we went the. Year growing up, I had a BMX and
• 34:24
  I was. I remember it was one of those
• 34:26
  banana bikes. I don't know what kind of brand
• 34:28
  it was. Yeah, I know.
• 34:29
  It's like, OK, that's not a thing anymore.
• 34:32
  Anyway. So you had life on the left
• 34:35
  where child labour and pollution and horrible conditions to the
• 34:39
  Fifties, 60s and 70s when we had optimal health and we had a
• 34:44
  society transformed, but then we forgot that that happened.
• 34:48
  So I call it the world's greatest health revolution.
• 34:50
  We forgot about it. If we knew about it, and this
• 34:54
  goes back to your point, if we knew about this history, we
• 34:57
  wouldn't be susceptible to everything has to be medical,
• 35:01
  medical, this, medical that we talked about that we have
• 35:03
  healthcare, but we have medical care.
• 35:05
  We don't have healthcare. So it's a we've tied those two
• 35:09
  words together very, you know, I don't know if it was done on
• 35:12
  purpose, probably was, but you know, we don't have healthcare
• 35:15
  which promotes the things that actually made the difference,
• 35:19
  not just some kind of drug for everything or shots for
• 35:22
  everything. And so by there, you can find
• 35:24
  these things in the Thirties, 40s and 50s in the literature
• 35:28
  saying, hey, yeah, we don't really have to worry about
• 35:31
  measles, scarlet fever, whooping cough, because we have advances
• 35:34
  in sanitary science. We have refrigeration.
• 35:37
  We have better water supplies. So everything's more or less
• 35:40
  taken care of. It keeps on dropping.
• 35:42
  And we can expect complete eradication of these diseases,
• 35:46
  which we did because scarlet fever went away and tuberculosis
• 35:49
  went away, more or less. But then people, you know,
• 35:53
  continue to focus on vaccination as some kind of solution to
• 35:57
  something we didn't really need to solve other diseases that we
• 36:02
  probably don't think about anymore.
• 36:03
  Pelegra Berry Berry scurvy, These are big, big problems too.
• 36:07
  Scurvy in particular was a deadly problem.
• 36:10
  And people would think and logically so that somebody came
• 36:15
  out of the ship and then people started getting sick and losing
• 36:18
  their teeth, that there was some kind of infection going around.
• 36:21
  So there was always this idea, these things that were
• 36:23
  infective. So scarlet fever, pellagra Berry
• 36:26
  Berry, once thought to be, you know, infectious diseases, but
• 36:30
  they just turned out to be vitamin C deficiency and vitamin
• 36:32
  B3 and B1 deficiencies. And if we map out the deaths
• 36:38
  from measles and scurvy, scurvy was a less less of a killer by
• 36:43
  this point. But you can see they map almost
• 36:45
  directly. So as measles deaths went down,
• 36:48
  scurvy deaths went down because they're tied together.
• 36:51
  Same thing with whooping cough. You can see the death rate
• 36:54
  declining for scurvy and whooping cough, which is not
• 36:58
  surprising. The overall health of the people
• 37:00
  improved. Then you didn't have a problem.
• 37:05
  And then there's studies that showed just vitamin A could
• 37:07
  reduce the overall mortality rate for let's say measles,
• 37:10
  right? So Doctor Klenner, who everybody
• 37:15
  should know who that is, but we forgot about him too use vitamin
• 37:19
  C, just vitamin C for measles. And he had no problem with
• 37:24
  measles by just giving them vitamin C.
• 37:26
  He also used it in all sorts of different conditions and always
• 37:29
  has spectacular results. But vitamin C is not a big money
• 37:32
  maker. So it was basically ignored.
• 37:37
  So basically we had a massive health transformation from the
• 37:41
  again around 18601870. So by the time we hit the 1950s,
• 37:47
  sixties and 70s, we were done. We were happy.
• 37:50
  We should have just kept on going in that direction.
• 37:52
  But we shifted further and further away from health and
• 37:56
  towards less health and more pharmaceutical solutions for
• 37:59
  every problem and every a shot for every problem.
• 38:03
  And so today we're all obese, we're vitamin D fit.
• 38:05
  Well, not everybody, but a lot of people are.
• 38:09
  And then people get hooked on these medications, which also
• 38:13
  cause increased nutritional problems like depleting your
• 38:16
  magnesium. And we're also magnesium
• 38:18
  deficient because of our industrial aquaculture, by the
• 38:20
  way. So instead of correcting those
• 38:22
  fundamental problems and getting people to exercise, eat
• 38:25
  properly, we say, well, eat whatever you want, get fatter
• 38:28
  and fatter and then we'll give you Ozempic or we'll do a
• 38:30
  Bastric bypass. And and you know, they're
• 38:33
  starting to test for vitamin D and they're finding like pretty
• 38:37
  much everybody's, you know, deficient in vitamin D.
• 38:41
  And what's the solution there? Sunshine, sunshine, fresh air.
• 38:44
  Just like it was determined in the early 1900s, people finally
• 38:49
  figured out the solution to health was pretty easy.
• 38:51
  But we've over complicated it with the, you know, giant
• 38:54
  Pharmaceutical industry or, you know, healthcare.
• 38:59
  So we can go back to the original idea behind
• 39:03
  vaccination, which was smallpox. OK.
• 39:07
  And it's very interesting. I found this quote from 1688.
• 39:10
  And Thomas Sydenham, which is considered the father, father of
• 39:14
  English medicine, he noted that when he did his particular
• 39:19
  treatment, not doing that hot regimen, that he found that
• 39:22
  smallpox was a slight and safe disease.
• 39:25
  He found that the people who are doing this hot regimen because
• 39:28
  he promoted this cool regimen, that's where the people were
• 39:31
  dying from a smallpox. And he actually communicate with
• 39:35
  this doctor Cole, and he tried it as well.
• 39:38
  And he found that. Well, OK, yeah, you're right.
• 39:40
  You found the cure for smallpox. Don't do the hot regimen.
• 39:43
  Just do the cool regimen. This is our hero that people
• 39:47
  worship in the medical system is Edward Jenner.
• 39:50
  He came up with this idea of taking pus from a cow.
• 39:53
  Actually, he thought it was from a horse and scratching it onto
• 39:56
  somebody's arm, which was already a procedure called
• 39:59
  inoculation. They would take pus from
• 40:01
  somebody who had smallpox and scratching it into their arm.
• 40:04
  And he decided that, you know, cow pox is so well, that's a lot
• 40:07
  better. So it's, it's perfectly easy to
• 40:10
  do. It's perfectly safe and will
• 40:12
  keep you sip here from smallpox for life, which wasn't true.
• 40:16
  Doctors from 18-O518101817 all found that that wasn't true.
• 40:21
  They wrote about in the medical journals, but they were.
• 40:24
  Again, ignored. And here's one guy who also John
• 40:29
  Birch in 1814, who noted that about 2/3 of the most smallpox
• 40:36
  deaths for centuries was because of this hot regimen and using
• 40:40
  these heating cordials and I'm sure other medications as well.
• 40:43
  So it wasn't the disease that was killing them.
• 40:45
  It was these poor medical interventions and you never knew
• 40:53
  where your vaccine came from. So it could have came from a
• 40:55
  variety of different animals. The main factions end up being
• 40:59
  from a cow, which they had really hard time finding this
• 41:02
  supposed cow virus, but Jenner actually think thought it came
• 41:07
  from horses. So a lot of the vaccine material
• 41:09
  actually came from this disease called the grease.
• 41:12
  They also another big faction that those are the ones in the
• 41:15
  yellow circles was taking pus from somebody who died from a
• 41:19
  smallpox or had smallpox or was had a blanket on them from
• 41:23
  smallpox, which they would then hang on a cow's head or transfer
• 41:28
  to a cow. And then the cow was somehow
• 41:29
  magically transform it. So you had these three different
• 41:32
  factions mixing into all this different vaccine material that
• 41:35
  you would scratch onto your arm. And then for 100 years they'd go
• 41:38
  from arm to arm to arm to arm, you know, scratching the stuff
• 41:41
  from people's arms. And that's what a vaccine was.
• 41:45
  They also had something called retro vaccination.
• 41:47
  So they would take this pus from animals, put it back on humans
• 41:51
  and back to animals again to supposedly make it more virulent
• 41:55
  so it would actually do what it was supposed to do.
• 41:58
  And they found out by the late 1800s that when they started
• 42:02
  using the microscope, they will look at this vaccine material
• 42:04
  under the microscope and they would find all sorts of fungus
• 42:07
  and bacteria and, and traces of blood.
• 42:09
  And this is what the vaccine was being used and promoted and
• 42:14
  scratched onto people's arms for over 100 years.
• 42:19
  And this is a a correspondence with a vaccine manufacturer and
• 42:25
  then early 1900s from Doctor Hodge, who wanted to know where
• 42:28
  this stuff came from. And they had to admit eventually
• 42:31
  it was basically from a tramp that had smallpox who slept in
• 42:33
  the stables and somehow the cows got sick.
• 42:36
  So that's where their vaccine material came from.
• 42:39
  And I mentioned this before, they used a sharp knife called
• 42:43
  The Lancet. And this is where they would,
• 42:45
  you know, scratch, scratch your arm and then put the material
• 42:48
  into your arm. And this article from 1882
• 42:51
  showed the how they actually put lots and lots of people into
• 42:54
  room and just mass vaccinated them.
• 42:56
  Just scratch, put some stuff in, scratch, vaccinate, you know,
• 42:59
  over and over again without any kind of concept of hygiene.
• 43:04
  There was no alcohol to clean the wound or anything.
• 43:06
  And they just went from person to person to person.
• 43:09
  Nobody would do that today. So the picture on the left is
• 43:15
  what was called a good arm. This is what was supposed to
• 43:18
  happen. So you got 5 scratches there.
• 43:20
  You put the, you know, the supposed vaccination, cowpox,
• 43:24
  horsebox, whatever, whatever was in that vial or from the last
• 43:30
  person who got it. And they would smear that into
• 43:32
  your arm and you would get this massive inflammation as you
• 43:34
  might expect. And sometimes if it was good, it
• 43:38
  would just die down. And supposedly we're protected.
• 43:41
  Of course, you weren't really protected, as they found out
• 43:43
  really early on. That's where we get the concept
• 43:45
  of revaccination because despite what Jenner said, it wasn't
• 43:49
  protecting you for life. They decided, well, we'll just
• 43:51
  vaccinate you every 10 years. Some people said every five
• 43:54
  years. Some people said every three
• 43:55
  years, some people said every year.
• 43:57
  So they kept on like changing the goal, you know, changing
• 44:00
  what what they were doing because it was just a giant
• 44:02
  experiment. Nobody really knew.
• 44:04
  And the picture on the right, somebody had a, you know,
• 44:06
  horrible reaction. You can see a massive wound and
• 44:09
  that was considered, you know, not such a great, you know,
• 44:13
  vaccine that was called a bad arm.
• 44:15
  And according to this guy, Scott Tebb, one in 10 people had bad
• 44:19
  arms and high fevers. So vaccination wasn't that
• 44:22
  simple magical procedure. And we often see pictures on the
• 44:27
  Internet. It's like, oh, that that boy
• 44:29
  didn't have a vaccine. So he's all broken out and
• 44:31
  pustules. But they didn't don't often show
• 44:33
  you the results of, you know, sometimes a vaccine basically
• 44:38
  causing you to deteriorate and die.
• 44:40
  And this is 11 picture of a Miss Fanny Lent who apparently died a
• 44:44
  horrible death after her vaccine in.
• 44:48
  So in 18711873, after about 70 years of vaccines, there was a
• 44:52
  massive outbreak of smallpox. And this is in London.
• 44:55
  This is from The Lancet. And so they're here, they're
• 44:58
  saying the 122,000 vaccinated persons still got smallpox, so
• 45:04
  the vaccine wasn't working. They hemmed and hawed and tried
• 45:06
  to figure out why it didn't work and said well, maybe we just
• 45:09
  need to change things up a little bit.
• 45:11
  Not that the whole idea failed. Doctor Millard, who was in
• 45:19
  Leicester, England, who initially was a pro vaccine guy,
• 45:23
  saw that the Leicester method of isolation and and cleaning up
• 45:28
  the city streets was what was really actually working.
• 45:32
  And he wrote a book in 1914 and he noticed that enteric fever
• 45:36
  and scarlet fever were declining at the same time smallpox was
• 45:40
  declining. He also noted that people were
• 45:43
  less and less people were getting vaccines.
• 45:45
  So the number of people were vaccinating was going down,
• 45:49
  which we can see in this chart from Lester.
• 45:51
  So the blue line is how many people were vaccinated and the
• 45:56
  grey ones are smallpox deaths. And by the late 1800s,
• 46:02
  vaccination rates plummeted because the people of Leicester
• 46:05
  said we had enough of this. They knew people that were
• 46:08
  injured by vaccines, they saw that it didn't work during the
• 46:11
  big 1871 to 73 disaster. So they, they protested and they
• 46:17
  won and they're vaccinated rates, which were already
• 46:19
  declining, plummeted down to like 10%.
• 46:23
  And Despite that, and despite medical men saying, well, you're
• 46:27
  all going to die, you're going to all suffer, that never
• 46:29
  happened. So smallpox deaths remain low
• 46:33
  despite virtually no vaccination rates.
• 46:36
  I mean, it spiked up a little bit, but very little vaccination
• 46:38
  was being done in Leicester that eventually spread to all of
• 46:42
  England. So you can see vaccination rates
• 46:44
  are declining. And then so by 1921, we're down
• 46:48
  to 40% of the people are being vaccinated.
• 46:50
  But there's never been a resurgence of smallpox deaths.
• 46:56
  And here we see during the heyday of vaccination, that's
• 46:59
  the first long red arrow, the deaths for children basically
• 47:04
  stayed the same. It wasn't until the health
• 47:06
  revolution of 1875, while vaccination rates were
• 47:11
  decreasing, you can see the mortality rate for all children
• 47:13
  was going down after around 1875, despite falling
• 47:18
  vaccination rates. So what did It wasn't the
• 47:21
  vaccine. It was basically the health
• 47:23
  revolution that changed everything.
• 47:26
  And like every other disease, by the end of the 1800s, early
• 47:30
  1900s, smallpox became just as mild as chickenpox.
• 47:35
  As a matter of fact, here's an article of 1913 where he said
• 47:39
  smallpox and chick pox are very difficult to distinguish.
• 47:42
  And so here's a an example of somebody with smallpox that you
• 47:46
  would never see on the Internet because it doesn't show massive
• 47:49
  pustules. This is was a case of smallpox
• 47:52
  wasn't a big deal because it by that time it was pretty mild.
• 47:57
  So when you where you had one in five deaths in the 1800s, that
• 48:03
  plummeted to very low levels and in this particular case 98% down
• 48:08
  in mortality rate by 1913. And if you look at the
• 48:12
  statistics, and this is from public health reports, so you
• 48:15
  have the early 1900s and 19-O2, you had X number of deaths from
• 48:21
  smallpox, then it plummeted down to almost nothing.
• 48:24
  So you had a 98% decrease in mortality rate over those 40
• 48:28
  years. So smallpox wasn't a big deal by
• 48:32
  that point, which is kind of hard to believe because we've
• 48:34
  been all programmed to think smallpox deadly, right?
• 48:37
  And at the same time, we had vaccination rates plummeting by
• 48:40
  1948 when they got rid of compulsory vaccination.
• 48:43
  In England, only 18% of the people are vaccinated, so it
• 48:47
  wasn't widespread. And Doctor Millard in 1948 wrote
• 48:52
  about this in the British Medical Journal.
• 48:55
  He said because of the conscientious clause that was
• 48:58
  introduced, most people were not vaccinated, 2/3 were not
• 49:02
  vaccinated. Smallpox never made a comeback
• 49:05
  and never was, you know, high mortality rate.
• 49:10
  So that kind of, he kind of, you know, basically said, well, we
• 49:13
  didn't really need vaccines in the 1st place, which again, he
• 49:16
  was originally a pro vaccine, but over his years, he
• 49:19
  determined that that was not really true.
• 49:24
  And then a doctor, Thomas Mack talked about this in 2002 and
• 49:29
  you can find his articles on the Internet too.
• 49:32
  He, he, he, he realised it was economic development, or as I
• 49:36
  call it, the health revolution that made the difference.
• 49:38
  It wasn't from universal vaccination.
• 49:41
  And he also noted that long before the, The Who, the World
• 49:44
  Health Organisation started the eradication programme, smallpox
• 49:48
  disappeared from many countries as they developed economically.
• 49:53
  So it wasn't from this, you know, big grand vaccine across
• 49:56
  the world thing that's often, you know, talked about.
• 50:01
  Doctor Crichton was tasked with writing an article for the
• 50:04
  Encyclopaedia Britannica in 1888.
• 50:07
  There he decided not to just go with talking points.
• 50:12
  He actually did a research because he was a big researcher.
• 50:15
  So he was in the library all the time.
• 50:17
  And he concluded that that vaccines weren't the magical
• 50:21
  thing that, you know, he had been taught.
• 50:24
  And he wrote a very scathing article in the Encyclopaedia of
• 50:27
  Britannica that went in and remained there until the 1920s.
• 50:31
  And he wrote two books on vaccination and Jenner, and
• 50:34
  everybody should go find those or read those are quite
• 50:36
  powerful. But the medical profession as a
• 50:40
  whole ignored him. And his career was more or less
• 50:43
  destroyed. And he ended up a poor, poor,
• 50:45
  poor person, despite, you know, being a very smart guy and
• 50:49
  writing a couple books on the topic.
• 50:52
  He wrote a, he wrote books on the history of Britain.
• 50:55
  He was a really deep researcher and really smart guy.
• 50:57
  Of course, he didn't go along with the programme.
• 51:00
  So that was the end of him. So, you know, everything changed
• 51:08
  as the sanitation revolution took hold and we got rid of
• 51:11
  toxic medications and these toxic treatments, just like all
• 51:15
  the other diseases that we talked about before smallpox
• 51:18
  became mild and eventually just faded away, just like scarlet
• 51:23
  fever and all these other diseases, despite, you know,
• 51:27
  falling vaccination rates. So it's not the story we were
• 51:30
  told. It's a lot more, you know, a lot
• 51:34
  more different, right? So, so far, what what we can
• 51:39
  conclude is that vaccines have had little to no impact at all.
• 51:45
  That's that's my conclusion. I think people sometimes say,
• 51:49
  well, the incident rate of measles went down, but it wasn't
• 51:53
  that big of a deal. You know, we forgot to look at
• 51:57
  what are people's vitamin C levels and vitamin A levels.
• 51:59
  If we had done focused on real health, then a lot of other
• 52:04
  diseases wouldn't have manifested either.
• 52:06
  But we're not focused on the health, we're focused on medical
• 52:09
  interventions. If we had.
• 52:12
  Learned I was actually wrong. I said little to no impact.
• 52:15
  They actually had either no impact or they harmed people.
• 52:19
  I mean they cut to incident. Right.
• 52:21
  And, well, yeah, Qatar. But if you look at the smallpox
• 52:24
  vaccine, which was, you know, highly problematic if you're
• 52:27
  scratching pus into somebody's arm, they had all sorts of
• 52:30
  diseases, including many doctors concluded tuberculosis was tied
• 52:35
  to that and cancers and all sorts of other things.
• 52:39
  As you might imagine, if you put fungus and bacteria and whatever
• 52:42
  else into your arm, into your blood supply, it probably not a
• 52:45
  good idea. So yeah, that would have been a
• 52:48
  big negative. It's actually very destructive.
• 52:51
  And yeah, you have Qatar and you have other incidents too.
• 52:54
  So yeah, so there's been a big giant negative, but there's a
• 52:59
  there's a positive spin all the time.
• 53:01
  Oh, Jenner created the cowpox vaccine.
• 53:03
  Therefore, it's killed smallpox, even though it wasn't really
• 53:07
  just from a Kyle, it was from a horse and corpses and everything
• 53:10
  else. This is like a big mishmash
• 53:12
  going from arm to arm to arm. Do we have time for a little
• 53:19
  polio? Well, not not really having
• 53:22
  polio, but talk about polio. So, so this is the classic
• 53:27
  picture that people think of polio and that's why we have a
• 53:29
  vaccine so we don't end up like this poor little guy.
• 53:33
  And Doctor Kleiner noticed in or commented in 1952 that there
• 53:37
  were a lot more people with rheumatic fever that were
• 53:40
  crippled for then there were from polio.
• 53:42
  But because you don't see the the problems, it's not the same
• 53:46
  thing. If you see people crippled and
• 53:48
  it's like, OK, that's a problem. But if you don't see, it's like,
• 53:54
  who knows? Who cares?
• 53:57
  So there was there was a sphere of infantile paralysis that was
• 54:01
  promulgated in the media. So here's an article from, what,
• 54:05
  1916? So there's an outbreak of some
• 54:08
  kind of polio inside the city there.
• 54:11
  But I want to make sure that people understand that polio was
• 54:15
  a very low incidence disease. So if you look at this
• 54:17
  particular chart, it's the line at the very, very bottom.
• 54:21
  It's, you know, we had more cases like say syphilis or
• 54:24
  malaria in the United States. Then we have had a polio.
• 54:29
  Polio is very, very low. And then here's from particular
• 54:36
  Vermont State Department of Public Health 1924 article, and
• 54:40
  this is a picture of Vermont. And the little red dots are the
• 54:43
  cases of polio or paralysis, and you can see they're just all
• 54:49
  over the place. There's a few dots here and
• 54:50
  there. There's no outbreak in a city
• 54:53
  centre that you might imagine if it was some kind of infectious
• 54:56
  agent. So it just scattered about.
• 54:59
  And again, here is 1 from 1912. This is just a few dots here and
• 55:04
  there. Again, it's not.
• 55:06
  It's just these isolated cases across the state.
• 55:11
  And what's very interesting is this is a couple charts or one
• 55:15
  chart with two time periods on it, 19161931 and you can see
• 55:19
  polio spikes up during the summer, peaking in August and
• 55:23
  then goes back down towards 0. So the cases of these this what
• 55:29
  they called polio was very seasonal.
• 55:33
  It didn't happen in the winter. It was basically a summer
• 55:36
  disease. Wasn't it also related to
• 55:39
  pesticides? Yeah, we'll get there.
• 55:43
  So, So what maps to that? Well, first, what's interesting,
• 55:49
  there was many people observing that it's not highly infectious
• 55:53
  that people were in hospitals and there's nobody ever like
• 55:56
  infected somebody else. And people, children would sleep
• 56:00
  with their, you know, their, their brother or their family
• 56:04
  member that was had some kind of paralysis, but they never caught
• 56:08
  it. So it wasn't like contagious in
• 56:10
  any, you know, sense of the word here.
• 56:14
  There's somebody's talking about a doctor enter a nurse.
• 56:17
  And nobody ever caught polio for 35 years at this particular
• 56:21
  hospital. So it wasn't like this massively
• 56:23
  contagious thing that we might imagine.
• 56:26
  And here's the pesticide. So they're using lead arsenate.
• 56:29
  This is what they would be spreading, spraying onto crops
• 56:34
  at the time. And they, you basically spray it
• 56:36
  on and then you wouldn't like wash off the, the apples or
• 56:39
  whatever. And in case of apples, it was
• 56:41
  the coddling moth that they're worried about because it was
• 56:44
  decimating crops. So anyway, so during the hot
• 56:47
  weather months, they would be spraying the stuff onto the
• 56:50
  crops. You would go home and you'd have
• 56:53
  an apple or some kind of food and you're getting a dose of
• 56:56
  lead arsenate, which is known to cause paralysis.
• 57:00
  And eventually they got rid of that, but then they replaced it
• 57:03
  with DDT. But so they were spraying this
• 57:06
  stuff on this more correlates with the the diagrams.
• 57:11
  We just saw it. It was a summer disease tied
• 57:14
  with the same time these lead arsenate pesticides that are
• 57:19
  well known to cause paralysis. And actually here's you know,
• 57:24
  some of the lead arsenate, the third phase of chronic arsenical
• 57:28
  intoxication is marked by peripheral neuritis and off
• 57:30
  which is often mild at first, but which may progress to motor
• 57:33
  and more severe cases paralysis. So so this is known about lead
• 57:38
  arsenate which is was being used all over the place.
• 57:43
  You know, supposedly polio virus is only in men, you know, in
• 57:48
  humans. But during these times people
• 57:50
  noticed that horses, sheepdogs, cats, hogs and birds were being
• 57:54
  paralysed at the same time, which makes sense if they were
• 57:58
  exposed to lead arsenate, right? So this particular doctor said
• 58:05
  just based on the epidemiology, appears that it's not really a
• 58:08
  living microorganism or a virus, but a toxin.
• 58:15
  And during the mid 1900s, there was a lady called Doctor Kenny,
• 58:23
  sister Kenny, sorry, not doctor, she wasn't a doctor.
• 58:25
  So here is a picture of her in a using her particular therapies,
• 58:29
  which she rallied against what the current the the medical
• 58:33
  treatments of the time were. If you had some kind of
• 58:35
  condition, they would force your arms, your legs to be
• 58:38
  straightened out. They were put them in cast and
• 58:42
  they would do these surgeries. And she said that's the reason
• 58:46
  people are having paralysis for the most part, right?
• 58:49
  So she said, no, no, we're going to do like massage and hot, hot
• 58:54
  packs, which we do today. And, you know, basically that's
• 58:59
  the modern way of having therapy and rehabilitation.
• 59:02
  Here's another picture of her with a successful patient.
• 59:06
  So she had a very high cure rate of polio by using these
• 59:09
  techniques and not using the medical treatment techniques.
• 59:15
  And here's Doctor Kleiner again. He had 60 out of 60 successful
• 59:18
  cases by using by using polio, by using vitamin C.
• 59:23
  He didn't use polio. So he used that which is a
• 59:27
  strong detoxification agent. So he had success with that and
• 59:31
  he was disturbed that his information was never used.
• 59:34
  It was just, you know, just kind of sidelined.
• 59:38
  So these are all the different like pieces of history about
• 59:40
  polio that you might not know, that you can decide for yourself
• 59:45
  whether you know the vaccine did too much.
• 59:49
  But there's also another part to that story is the original
• 59:53
  diagnosis for polio would be done.
• 59:57
  So if you had paralysis and you had paralysis within 24 hours,
• 1:00:00
  still, that was considered a case of polio.
• 1:00:03
  There was no need for any kind of laboratory confirmation.
• 1:00:06
  You were paralysed. 24 hours later, you're still paralysed.
• 1:00:08
  You have polio. That's what it was.
• 1:00:11
  So they disabled, they disabled it, right?
• 1:00:14
  So that that's, you know, this is 1950s, right, or before the
• 1:00:17
  1950s. But when they, when they
• 1:00:21
  eventually had the vaccine in 1954, they changed the
• 1:00:24
  definition. The definition became you had to
• 1:00:27
  be paralysed 60 days later. So you basically created a whole
• 1:00:30
  new condition. So the first one was you're
• 1:00:33
  paralysed within 24 hours, OK, you have that.
• 1:00:35
  But then they just changed the definition.
• 1:00:37
  So you have to be paralysed 60 days later, which according to
• 1:00:42
  Doctor Kleiman, it's like almost nobody had that.
• 1:00:44
  So you automatically got rid of polio just by the definition
• 1:00:47
  change. A similar thing happened in in
• 1:00:53
  India. So here's the original polio.
• 1:00:59
  You see that there's a, there's a, the, the green lines, the
• 1:01:02
  polio cases. And we can see that when they
• 1:01:04
  started vaccinating for polio very heavily in 1996, they also
• 1:01:12
  changed the definition. They created a new thing called
• 1:01:15
  ACE, a acute flaccid paralysis. And part of that is you have to
• 1:01:20
  have original residual paralysis after 60 days.
• 1:01:23
  That's when it changed in 1997. So now we have a new disease
• 1:01:29
  called acute flaccid paralysis and that's the big green line
• 1:01:34
  going up at the the little blue line on the bottom is the new
• 1:01:38
  polio definitions. But if we stayed with the old
• 1:01:41
  polio definition and didn't have AFP, then the levels of
• 1:01:45
  paralysis have increased since they vaccinated.
• 1:01:49
  But by a definition change, suddenly polio is going away.
• 1:01:53
  And so according to this article, there was an extra
• 1:01:56
  640,000 children developed with paralysis during the years 2000
• 1:02:01
  to 2017 because but those cases never really counted because it
• 1:02:06
  wasn't considered polio. So again, a definition change
• 1:02:11
  really made a, you know, big difference in what you perceive.
• 1:02:15
  That's the best vaccine ever. A changing definition.
• 1:02:19
  Yeah, certainly. They really did that with polio
• 1:02:21
  quite often after 2012, the number of oral polo vaccines,
• 1:02:26
  because sometimes they were giving kids four or five or more
• 1:02:28
  of these vaccines. That kind of this idea is like
• 1:02:31
  just keep on hammering them, which I, you know, it looks
• 1:02:35
  pretty clear that the increase in paralysis, but after 2012
• 1:02:39
  they start, they started to reduce those and you see the,
• 1:02:43
  the number of paralysis cases started to drop off because they
• 1:02:48
  said, well, we've tackled polio so we can start decreasing the
• 1:02:51
  number of vaccines, which they didn't really do.
• 1:02:54
  They just changed the definition.
• 1:02:57
  So that's my little spiel on polio, which again was a pretty
• 1:03:01
  low incidence disease. It was spread apart.
• 1:03:04
  Yeah, I mean, you, you say no incidents, but it's one of the
• 1:03:08
  most spoken about in the last 100 years.
• 1:03:12
  Yeah, so we had a big media blitz and we saw people in iron
• 1:03:15
  lungs, we saw people in braces, and that tugs at your
• 1:03:18
  heartstrings, right? So if you had, if you're
• 1:03:21
  debilitated by some other disease that causes damage to
• 1:03:24
  your heart, well, you don't see that.
• 1:03:25
  So that doesn't get any media attention, right?
• 1:03:29
  So, you know, you know, this idea of being paralysed kind of
• 1:03:32
  freak people out. And there was a lot of media
• 1:03:34
  attention to it. And then there was a big push
• 1:03:36
  for the the vaccine and eventually they came out one and
• 1:03:40
  came out with one in 1954. And then after that they change
• 1:03:44
  the definition. So of course polio would just
• 1:03:46
  vanish. And there's still people,
• 1:03:48
  apparently they still get these paralysis problems and they get
• 1:03:51
  put on not those big metal lung machines because we don't have
• 1:03:56
  that technology anymore. We they get put on ventilators.
• 1:04:01
  I actually bought that book, The Moth in the Iron Lung.
• 1:04:09
  Yeah, there was a particular study, I think it was in
• 1:04:12
  Michigan in 1958, where they, you know, they tried to isolate,
• 1:04:15
  you know what caused the paralysis.
• 1:04:18
  And only a small fraction of the people were found to have like,
• 1:04:21
  polio virus. There was a bunch of other
• 1:04:22
  different viruses. In many cases, there was no
• 1:04:25
  detectable pathogen that they could find at all.
• 1:04:29
  It was just like, Oh yeah, none. I don't have that.
• 1:04:32
  I don't have that chart in here, but which is kind of
• 1:04:35
  interesting. So, you know, they've made it
• 1:04:38
  sound like there's just this one little virus and that causes
• 1:04:40
  paralysis and nothing else does. And never, nothing ever else
• 1:04:43
  did. But I think the the history
• 1:04:45
  shows that, you know, we had things like the LED arsenate was
• 1:04:49
  causing problems because before really the late 1800s, there
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  wasn't really much paralysis ever detected.
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  It only happened when they started using these kind of
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  industrial pesticides. The trend is the same no matter
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  which disease you look at. Yeah, that's what I found out.
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  So you had typhoid fever, typhus.
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  You had scarlet fever, you had cholera.
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  All these things declined to near 0 by the 1940s, fifties and
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  60s. Some had a vaccine, some didn't.
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  It all had to do with cleaning up the environment.
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  And again, if we learn that lesson, we wouldn't be doing the
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  things we're doing today. We would be getting exercise.
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  We'd be getting fresh air, plenty of sunshine, good quality
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  Whole Foods, not junk foods. We wouldn't be people.
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  Struggle with this so much though.
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  I mean you you in the most. For the most part, when you say
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  stuff like this, people will call you a quack.
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  Yeah, well, I've been called worse, but I think the data
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  shows that. And I think that, you know, I, I
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  actually live that lifestyle and I feel great and I feel better
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  now than I did in my 30s. And then, you know, we're, we're
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  being stupid with plastic pollution.
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  We got microprostix everywhere, nanoplastics getting into our
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  system. So we're destroying our own
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  environment just for conveniences.
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  And and then we use the medical system to try to fix everything,
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  which I think is just not the right thing to do.
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  So I think we need a second health revolution where people
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  actually try to get healthy through exercise, sunshine,
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  clean water or good food, you know, don't eat garbage.
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  And it's not that hard. Well, it is psychologically
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  hard, but the concept isn't hard.
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  It's like, well, I can have an apple or I can have this junky
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  breakfast cereal. You know, there's you can make
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  better choices all the time. And yet that's the thing with
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  health is you make these choices like every day.
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  It's like this morning, I this morning I went for 1/2 hour walk
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  yesterday, went to the gym for two hours.
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  So that's my workout. I eat all Whole Foods.
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  I get plenty of sunshine. I de stress, try to have a good
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  day, laugh, have do meaningful work, have good social
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  connections. These are all how you build
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  health. The other way to do is, you
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  know, eat junk and drink Coca Cola and dunk a Donuts and don't
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  exercise and don't get any sunshine and then start
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  deteriorating. Then run to a doctor and hope
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  they can fix it. Yeah.
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  Then you take a pill. I need to Ozempic now, you know,
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  because if you ignore your health, you're going to get
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  sick. And then you run to somebody
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  that's going to try to fix it for you with a magic pill.
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  And those never really work. Have you seen this, a huge
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  lawsuit now against Ozempic, I think something to the tune of
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  $2 billion. Yeah, yeah.
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  But that's part of the business model, right?
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  So they'll make X number of billion dollars, they'll settle
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  out of court, but they still made still made a huge profit.
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  That's how the business model works.
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  They already know that they're going to get sued at some point.
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  That's a real kind of illness in our society.
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  It's like as long as you're making a dollar, that's OK.
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  It doesn't matter what we make. Who cares if it, you know, has,
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  you know, so called side effects?
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  It doesn't matter because as long as we make money.
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  And same thing with the food industry.
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  You know, people know they're making garbage food.
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  They figure, well, that's up to them not to eat our garbage
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  product because they're making lots of money from it.
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  And it's, you know, extends to the agricultural system.
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  It's like, oh, we know we're making substandard food.
• 1:08:19
  A lot of them people know that it's like, and we know it's
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  magnesium deficient, but we're going to do it that way anyway.
• 1:08:23
  We could be doing regenerative farming and organic farming, but
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  we don't make as much money of that.
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  We can't sell pesticides to those people.
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  So that's no good. And the advertisers along for
• 1:08:33
  the ride too. We're going to advertise
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  whatever you want, you know, so you can have a Coke and a smile
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  and diabetes too. You can have, you know, you can
• 1:08:40
  have Doritos and obesity, you can have all these wonderful
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  things that we're going to promote and show young people
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  having a great time with it, you know, and then, you know,
• 1:08:48
  financial industries all invested in all this stuff.
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  So it's a big what I call the sickness industrial complex.
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  And I think we need to change direction and go back towards,
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  you know, natural living. But the again, you, as you point
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  out, nobody makes money off of that sunshine's free clean
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  water. Well, that could cost you some
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  because our piping system in United States awful in a lot of
• 1:09:13
  places. And so a lot of things are free.
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  Exercise is free. You don't have to go to a gym.
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  You can just go out and exercise.
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  So and you could choose to have Whole Foods or you can choose to
• 1:09:23
  eat garbage and garbage food is very alluring.
• 1:09:27
  It gets people addicted. There's a reason there's food
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  scientists. It's to get you hooked on these
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  things. But if we all shifted towards
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  the other end, the amount of money we'd spend on healthcare
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  would plummet from 18% back down to maybe 3% where it belongs for
• 1:09:42
  accidents. Where medicine's great, you get
• 1:09:46
  into a car accident? Super.
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  But these chronic conditions are because of our lifestyle, not
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  because anybody can really fix them except for yourself.
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  OK, we are over time Roman, let's come in for the final lap.
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  How can I follow your work and get your Well, I've got your
• 1:10:03
  books, but I can somebody else get your books?
• 1:10:05
  Sure. Let's just put this up here.
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  We'll skip all this stuff. Here's my contact.
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  I'm on XI. Like Twitter better.
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  That's a better name, but OK, it's X.
• 1:10:15
  You can go on my sub stack. I have articles on all this
• 1:10:17
  stuff, the charts, they're all free.
• 1:10:21
  Or you can go to desalinus.com. You can find the books there
• 1:10:23
  from all over the planets. It's translated into seven other
• 1:10:27
  languages. We just released Chinese, so if
• 1:10:31
  anybody reads Chinese, it's on there and there's the contact
• 1:10:37
  and you can follow me on Telegram too.
• 1:10:39
  So whichever way you want. If anybody has questions, you
• 1:10:42
  want the charts, they're on dissolvinglucius.com.
• 1:10:44
  They're on my sub stack so you can always find them.
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  Robin Best Janik, thank you for joining me in the trenches.
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  Thanks much for having me.