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JODI ARIAS NEW LEGAL PUSH? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Why won't she go away?
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  Speaker 1: I'm talking about Jody Arius, convicted in the brutal murderer
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  Speaker 1: of her ex boyfriend Travis Alexander, stabbing him at least
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  Speaker 1: twenty nine times. There were so many stabs he couldn't
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  Speaker 1: really tell because they were overlapping, plus shooting him in
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  Speaker 1: the head, leaving this young guy with his life in
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  Speaker 1: front of him to decompose in his own shower. Well,
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  Speaker 1: apparently she's preparing another legal challenge to her conviction. I'm
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  Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I want to thank
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  Speaker 1: you for being with us. Arius, still behind bars at
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  Speaker 1: Arizona's Parable State Women's Prison serving a life without parole,
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  Speaker 1: has re emerged through prison created artwork, sales and a
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  Speaker 1: new blog on substack. Oh my goodness, she has a
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  Speaker 1: blog on some tech her and top mom Casey Anthony.
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  Speaker 1: She states, quote it might be difficult for some to grasp,
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  Speaker 1: but learning is not among my priorities really, because you're
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  Speaker 1: constantly luring in sad, sack, lovelorn guys trying to get money. Quote.
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  Speaker 1: It's a waste of time and does nothing to serve
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  Speaker 1: my goals. Oh okay, she added, Her new focus is
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  Speaker 1: p c R Post conviction relief. Quote my art, which
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  Speaker 1: is basically tracing pictures out of magazines, my writing, Oh
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  Speaker 1: Dear Lord, and manuscripts that may or may not ever
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  Speaker 1: be published. What post conviction relief? Okay, an appeal is
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  Speaker 1: on the way. Another appeal that is it ain't over yet? Well?
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  Speaker 1: Who is Travis Alexander? Who is Jody Arius? First of all,
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  Speaker 1: take a listen to this.
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  Speaker 2: Jody Arius grew up in California. When she was younger,
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  Speaker 2: her parents moved around a lot, ultimately settling in Wyrika
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  Speaker 2: in northern California near the Oregon border. Arius was part
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  Speaker 2: of a larger family with four siblings. Picture Perfect author
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  Speaker 2: Shana Hogan tells CNN compared to Alexander's upbringing, Arius' was
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  Speaker 2: more idyllic, but not without its own problems.
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  Speaker 3: She grew up being very artistic. She played the flute.
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  Speaker 3: She had a lot of brothers and sisters and was
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  Speaker 3: very close with them all. So Jody's childhood was fairly
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  Speaker 3: ideal compared to Travis's, but she does describe like incidences
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  Speaker 3: of physical violence.
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  Speaker 2: The Arias family opened a Mexican restaurant, where as a
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  Speaker 2: teenager Jody worked as a waitress. She developed a passion
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  Speaker 2: for photography and as an adult, shot weddings and the like.
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  Speaker 2: Wanting to make more money and be more successful, Arius
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  Speaker 2: packs up and moves to Palm Desert, a California resort town.
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  Speaker 2: Once in Palm Desert, Arias becomes interested in pursuing the
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  Speaker 2: network marketing of prepaid legal.
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  Speaker 1: You're hearing our friend John Lenley at crimeonline dot com.
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  Speaker 1: We know a lot about Jody Arius in her life
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  Speaker 1: seemingly an idyllic childhood, But what about Travis Alexander. Now
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  Speaker 1: we know Travis was good looking, charismatic and entrepreneur, even
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  Speaker 1: a motivational speaker. But things weren't always so great for him.
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  Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, Travis was born to drug
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  Speaker 1: addicted parents and he suffered a lot as a child.
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  Speaker 1: His parents were poor, They neglected him, they abused him,
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  Speaker 1: He was teased and bullied. He had very few friends.
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  Speaker 1: He even ran away at just ten years old to
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  Speaker 1: go live with his grandma, and that was where he
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  Speaker 1: became involved in the Mormon Church. And he thrived there
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  Speaker 1: with me in altime. Our panel to break you down
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  Speaker 1: and put it back together again. Renowned psychologists joining me
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  Speaker 1: out of Manhattan. Karen Stark. You can find her at
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  Speaker 1: Karenstark dot com. That's Karen with a c Robert Crispin,
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  Speaker 1: former cop now private investigator at Crispinspecial Investigations dot com.
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  Speaker 1: Alexis Terschuk Crime online dot com investigative reporter who covered
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  Speaker 1: this case from the very very beginning, and special guests,
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  Speaker 1: joining US defense attorney Kirk Nurmi. Kirk Nurmi has actually
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  Speaker 1: written the book Trapped with Miss Areas and you can
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  Speaker 1: find it on Amazon. He's also cast member Radical Body
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  Speaker 1: Transformation now season three on Amazon Prime. You know, I
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  Speaker 1: want to go first to you, Alexis Terschuk. A lot
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  Speaker 1: of people don't know how Travis grew up and why
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  Speaker 1: it's so phenomenal that he turned his life around. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: he was born to drug adult parents that literally abused him,
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't give him enough food, wouldn't take care of him.
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  Speaker 1: I remember him saying that he would be teased by
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  Speaker 1: canned food as a child, but he didn't know how
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  Speaker 1: to use a can opener and that just broke my heart. Alexis.
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  Speaker 1: And then he turns into this great looking, awesome guy, entrepreneur,
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  Speaker 1: motivational speaker, it's pretty incredible. Do you think it was
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  Speaker 1: the grandmother or the Mormon Church that turned his life around?
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  Speaker 4: I think it was both of them. He was so
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  Speaker 4: lucky to get out of that terrible lifestyleity hub or
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  Speaker 4: kid with his abusive parents, and his grandmam took him in.
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  Speaker 4: He really considered her his mother, and so she is
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  Speaker 4: the woman introduced him to the Mormon Church, and that
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  Speaker 4: those two things together completely turned his life around. And
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  Speaker 4: his sister talks about how that was a big transformation
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  Speaker 4: for their family, and it was such and it became
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  Speaker 4: so important to him to need a very religious life
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  Speaker 4: and to follow the tenants of the church and to
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  Speaker 4: do things to make his grandmother proud.
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  Speaker 1: To Karen Stark Psychologists joining me from Manhattan. Karen, it's
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  Speaker 1: so great to talk to you. And boy, do I
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  Speaker 1: need a shrink to figure out these two. But you know,
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  Speaker 1: this is a lot I'm learning now about Travis Alexander.
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  Speaker 1: I never knew about his childhood and what he lived through,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm just finding it how he turned his life
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  Speaker 1: around really starting at about age ten. It's pretty amazing, Karen.
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  Speaker 5: It's amazing, and it also says a lot about his
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  Speaker 5: determination to make his life be better. That he had
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  Speaker 5: that awareness at age ten and could tell that there
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  Speaker 5: was more that he wanted to do. And you think
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  Speaker 5: about really the strength that he had to be able
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  Speaker 5: to witness the kinds of things that he did and
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  Speaker 5: creates this incredible life for himself. A motivational speaker, and
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  Speaker 5: I'm sure that he used that background and is speaking
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  Speaker 5: you know the fact that he had overcome something at such.
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  Speaker 1: A young age or Karen Stark, I mean you're the shrink,
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  Speaker 1: not me, But I know you said he was so young,
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  Speaker 1: but need he wanted to turn his life around. I
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  Speaker 1: didn't know anything like that at age ten. I was
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  Speaker 1: in the out building pine straw forts and throwing pine
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  Speaker 1: cones and riding my bike, you know, until I had
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  Speaker 1: to do my homework at home and have supper. So
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  Speaker 1: it's hard for me to relate to a ten year
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  Speaker 1: old knowing they need to turn your life their life around.
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  Speaker 1: I'd see, from my arms here psychology viewpoint, I would
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  Speaker 1: say he just got somebody that loved him and responded
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  Speaker 1: to that.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, that's absolutely part of what happened, Nancy.
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  Speaker 1: But you do have.
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  Speaker 5: Awareness at age ten, especially if you come from the
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  Speaker 5: traumatic background. So that wasn't your experience. You were able,
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  Speaker 5: luckily to have the kind of life where you could
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  Speaker 5: come home, do your homework, ride your bike.
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  Speaker 6: But not him.
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  Speaker 5: He saw things and was around things that, even though
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  Speaker 5: it developed mean he was young, he understood that this
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  Speaker 5: was better for him being with his grandma. And I'm sure,
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  Speaker 5: I just feel so sure that he took that in
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  Speaker 5: and understood he wanted to do well with his life.
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  Speaker 5: Not everybody would do that, but he did.
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  Speaker 1: Take a listen to Travis Alexander. This is our cut too.
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  Speaker 7: Now.
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  Speaker 1: Remember Travis goes to live with his grandma at age ten.
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  Speaker 1: He gets heavily involved with a Mormon church, and between
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  Speaker 1: Grandma and the church, they turned this child's life around.
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  Speaker 1: He becomes a very successful entrepreneur and motivational speaker and
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  Speaker 1: heavily involved still with the Mormon Church. Take a listen
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  Speaker 1: to him speaking at a legal seminar in Vegas.
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  Speaker 8: Things like that, the first thing I would hear a
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  Speaker 8: lot of these, by the way, and.
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  Speaker 9: Nothing going on for this year.
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  Speaker 1: You're hearing Travis Alexander speaking at that legal seminar in Vegas,
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  Speaker 1: and he's making everybody laugh by self deprecating humor. Talking
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  Speaker 1: about he would mention he's single, Uh, ladies, come and
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  Speaker 1: get me, but that he's been single now trying to
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  Speaker 1: get dates for the past six years. That's when everybody
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  Speaker 1: started laughing. And this guy is handsome, he's educated, he's successful,
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  Speaker 1: and you know, there's really no surprise is that he
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  Speaker 1: met and started dating Jody Arius. But take a listen
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  Speaker 1: to our friend John Limley at Crime Online.
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  Speaker 2: Travis Alexander worked for Prepaid Legal Services as a salesman
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  Speaker 2: and motivational speaker. Friend Taylor Cyril tells HLN Alexander was
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  Speaker 2: good at it.
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  Speaker 10: He really had a great way of influencing those around
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  Speaker 10: him and including myself, to always strive to be more.
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  Speaker 10: And that's the thing that he really helped those around
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  Speaker 10: him understand is that we are something and we're always
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  Speaker 10: going to be striving to be more.
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  Speaker 2: Tanisha Sorenson says her brother was well.
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  Speaker 3: Liked, very popular, and very active.
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  Speaker 11: He did a lot of conventions where he would dress
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  Speaker 11: up in character and you know, so.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't really understand that about him. Kirk Nurmi what
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  Speaker 1: kind of a motivational speaker was he would he talk
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  Speaker 1: about turning his own life around and inspire other people
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  Speaker 1: to do the same.
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  Speaker 12: Well, it was within the context of this pre paid
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  Speaker 12: legal business what we just talked about, the legal insurance
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  Speaker 12: business that where he met Jody at this convention in Vegas.
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  Speaker 12: So he would motivate with his own story and he
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  Speaker 12: would talk to people about, you know, bettering their economic
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  Speaker 12: circumstances through working with prepaid legal and motivate them in
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  Speaker 12: their sales careers.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you're absolutely right yet again, Kurtner me take a listen.
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  Speaker 1: Our friends at Crime.
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  Speaker 2: Online, Travis Alexander, and Jody Arius meet because of pre
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  Speaker 2: Paid Legal. After moving to Palm Desert Areas. Becomes interested
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  Speaker 2: in a sales position with the network marketing company and
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  Speaker 2: she attends a seminar in Las Vegas. Alexander is there
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  Speaker 2: as well. Friend David Hughes tells CNN he told Alexander
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  Speaker 2: about the beautiful single girl on his team.
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  Speaker 13: We were there for a convention. Our company had had
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  Speaker 13: a big event there. I was there in Las Vegas
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  Speaker 13: with him, and I knew that he was single and
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  Speaker 13: he is always looking for miss Alexander. And I told Travis, Hey,
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  Speaker 13: there's this cute girl that I worked with that you
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  Speaker 13: should meet her. And he was introduced me, and so
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  Speaker 13: I entered his some and then they were able to
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  Speaker 13: develop a relationship pretty quickly from there.
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  Speaker 2: Outside the Rainforest Cafe at the MGM Grand Hotel, Alexander
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  Speaker 2: introduces himself. Hughes tells the rest of the story.
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  Speaker 13: He said, Hey, listen, do you have a nice dress,
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  Speaker 13: because I'd like to take you to the formal executive
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  Speaker 13: dinner with me as my guest.
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  Speaker 2: After the banquet, Travis, Alexander and Jody Arius hang out
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  Speaker 2: until about four am, talking and getting to know each other.
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  Speaker 2: The next morning, Alexander tells friends he's found the woman
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  Speaker 2: that he wants to marry.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, Karen, start again, I think it's shrink.
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  Speaker 1: After one night with Arius he wants to marry her.
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  Speaker 5: Well, yes, he did say that, Nancy, and that sometimes happened. Obviously,
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  Speaker 5: there was this huge attraction between the two of them.
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  Speaker 1: Now a minute, Kira, start, hold on care and start
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  Speaker 1: Wait a minute, now, didn't you know your now husband
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  Speaker 1: for a long time before you guys became red hot
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  Speaker 1: and got married. It was not love at first sight,
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  Speaker 1: was it.
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  Speaker 5: Now? It might have been loved first sight, but it
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  Speaker 5: didn't mean we got married or I talked about marrying
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  Speaker 5: him right away. But however, there are people that actually
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  Speaker 5: do feel that they meet someone they have loved first site.
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  Speaker 5: They're very attractive.
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  Speaker 1: Don't you think a slow burn is a better idea,
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  Speaker 1: like a crock pot not red hot?
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  Speaker 5: Okay, yes, probably in my opinion, it wouldn't probably be
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  Speaker 5: better if being down as a crackpot, but red hot
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  Speaker 5: is often the case. Man, it doesn't surprise me at all.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that is what happened here. Take a listen to
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  Speaker 1: John Lemlay.
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  Speaker 2: Travis, Alexander and Jody Arius's relationship became red hot quickly.
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  Speaker 2: Within a week, the couple is having sex in a car,
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  Speaker 2: and according to Picture Perfect author Shana Hogan, they were inseparable.
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  Speaker 3: From the very beginning. Travis and Jodi were almost in
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  Speaker 3: constant communication. They talked every day, They exchanged thousands of
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  Speaker 3: emails and text messages.
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  Speaker 2: They traveled extensively together from Carlsbad Caverns to the Grand Canyon.
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  Speaker 2: Travel was a passion they shared. But despite their similarities,
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  Speaker 2: there was one major difference. Alexander is Mormon. Arius is
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  Speaker 2: not well not Then, according to Alexander's brother.
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  Speaker 13: She started to inquire more about the LDS faith and
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  Speaker 13: ended up joining the church, which I'm sure that brought
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  Speaker 13: their relationship made it even stronger.
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  Speaker 2: Another obstacle to their relationship is distance. Arius lives in California,
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  Speaker 2: Alexander in Arizona.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, well wait a minute, white a minute, alexis Terschia.
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  Speaker 1: Didn't leave out a couple of facts. So they mate
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  Speaker 1: and in one week they're having sex in a car.
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  Speaker 4: They are there is some instant attraction there. I can't
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  Speaker 4: believe it wasn't the first night in Vegas. Why not?
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  Speaker 4: So this is the thing that.
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  Speaker 1: Was a problem.
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  Speaker 4: And this starts as a very early problem in their
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  Speaker 4: relationship because in Travis's religion, it is very important not
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  Speaker 4: to have sex before marriage, and he knows this. He's
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  Speaker 4: been a devaut Mormon at this point for over a
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  Speaker 4: decade and he knows that this is something that's very
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  Speaker 4: important in the religion. However, they can't resist it. They're
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  Speaker 4: both young, they're both very attractive to each other, and
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  Speaker 4: so they do have sex. But it becomes something that
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  Speaker 4: he wants to hide.
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  Speaker 1: So he wants to hide the fact that they're having sex.
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  Speaker 1: Do I understand that correctly?
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  Speaker 4: Yes?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, you know what I don't know why it's
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  Speaker 1: seemingly okay for men to have multiple sex partners, but
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  Speaker 1: then when a woman does it, she's like a slut.
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  Speaker 1: But if a virgin is what Travis Alexander is looking for,
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  Speaker 1: well he's barking up the wrong tree. Take a listen
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  Speaker 1: to this.
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  Speaker 14: Religion is very important to Travis Alexander, and in the
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  Speaker 14: Mormon faith, chastity and marriage and age is very important,
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  Speaker 14: as friend Chris Hughes explained to ABC twenty twenty.
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  Speaker 15: And the Church of Jesus Christ the Latter day Saints
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  Speaker 15: in these singles congregations that they've got set across the world.
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  Speaker 15: When you turn thirty one, you're out, you know, like
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  Speaker 15: you have.
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  Speaker 6: To go to a regular congregation.
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  Speaker 15: Almost like you're getting moved from the main toy box to.
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  Speaker 1: The broken toys.
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  Speaker 15: You know, let the broken toys go over here.
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  Speaker 14: Sir Travis is feeling the pressure to settle down and
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  Speaker 14: start a family. Within a couple of months of their meeting,
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  Speaker 14: Areas has converted to the Mormon Church. In fact, Alexander
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  Speaker 14: baptized her. One would think that would strengthen the relationship,
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  Speaker 14: but now they are both following Mormon tenants, and an
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  Speaker 14: important one is sex before marriage is a sin, and
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  Speaker 14: Jody and Travis were sinning a lot. In her journal's
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  Speaker 14: areas describes their sexual fantasies in details, and this was
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  Speaker 14: causing moral dilemmas for Alexander.
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  Speaker 1: To Kurt and Ermi joining us. Little Commentator, author of
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  Speaker 1: Trapped with Miss Arias star on Amazon Primes Body Transformation, Kurt,
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  Speaker 1: tell me what happened. I mean, she converts to the
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  Speaker 1: Mormon faith because of Travis Alexander, but yet Travis is
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  Speaker 1: in plagued because of the sex right right and Nancy.
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  Speaker 12: Travis was plagued by this idea of having this sexual
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  Speaker 12: relationship because it was taboo. All his friends were in
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  Speaker 12: the Mormon Church. We heard the clips of Chris Hughes
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  Speaker 12: talking about the need for chastity everything else. So this
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  Speaker 12: was a big problem for him in terms of his
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  Speaker 12: peer group and in terms of his social status with
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  Speaker 12: his company, because he had this image of being this
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  Speaker 12: Mormon man in search of the perfect Mormon girl. Backing
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  Speaker 12: up a bit, she is also living with a man
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  Speaker 12: in California to begin this kind of meeting at the
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  Speaker 12: Hughes house, having this relationship, and it's all meant to
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  Speaker 12: be kind of secret and he ultimately he wants this
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  Speaker 12: Mormon wedding. He wants all these things and based on
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  Speaker 12: that to kind of bring some legitisamy see to it.
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  Speaker 12: They are working towards being the Mormon couple, and she
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  Speaker 12: begins the process of conversion.
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  Speaker 1: I want you to hear this. She describes starting with
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  Speaker 1: oral sex in a parking lot in You're a Starbucks.
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  Speaker 1: It goes on to anal sex. As a matter of fact,
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  Speaker 1: the day that Travis Alexander baptizes her at the Mormon church,
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  Speaker 1: they go straight back home. They make a beeline back
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  Speaker 1: to the apartment, back to the home for more anal sex.
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  Speaker 1: Jacasaurus very quickly. This is intended to paint a bad
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  Speaker 1: picture of Travis Alexander, and he basically used her for
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  Speaker 1: sex and then ignored her, mistreated her, take her for granted.
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  Speaker 1: That's the picture I'm getting right. He was her spiritual
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  Speaker 1: advisor who baptized her, and she seemed to follow everything
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  Speaker 1: he said. To Alexis tereshat crime online dot com on Twitter,
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  Speaker 1: She's at swimmy two thousand and nine. Alexis, tell me
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  Speaker 1: about their relationship because I remember distinctly an anecdote about
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  Speaker 1: Travis Alexander going to the mall to buy her favorite
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  Speaker 1: cinnamon and leaving it on a car. All kinds of
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  Speaker 1: sweet things.
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  Speaker 4: They had a really sweet relationship. They He would tell
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  Speaker 4: her just how much he adored her, also how attracted
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  Speaker 4: he was to her. They traveled together. They were in
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  Speaker 4: San Diego, they were in waterfalls. There were lots of pictures.
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  Speaker 4: They were this very happy, very young, successful couple, up
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  Speaker 4: and coming. Travis owned his own house, He was very
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  Speaker 4: successful at a very young age, and they seemed perfect
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  Speaker 4: to everybody that would look at it.
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  Speaker 1: Guy, So I want you to take a listen to
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  Speaker 1: our friends.
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  Speaker 16: At twenty twenty, Travis and Jody have been dating for
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  Speaker 16: a couple of months when his friends started noticing there's
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  Speaker 16: something off with Jody, something not quite right.
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  Speaker 15: For example, one night, we're all in the hot tub.
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  Speaker 15: There's four of us. You know this is a time
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  Speaker 15: to chat and hang out. Well, Jody is like climbing
• 20:22
  Speaker 15: on Travis while we're trying to have this conversation.
• 20:26
  Speaker 11: She was all over him, I mean like eighth graders
• 20:31
  Speaker 11: whose parents are out of town, like straddling his lap
• 20:34
  Speaker 11: and sucking on his neck, and Travis just kept pushing
• 20:37
  Speaker 11: her off. And he's like, Jody like, get off me,
• 20:40
  Speaker 11: Like what are you doing?
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: I look at Chris. I'm like, does she not realize
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: we're secure? The love, the infatuation, the red hot romance
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: begins to turn sideways crime stories with Nancy Grace convict
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: to kill her. Jody Areas will not go away and
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: is now harping on about PC or post conviction relief,
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: which means she's failed in all of her appeals through
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: the normal channels and is now trying a new route. Think,
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: Scott Peterson, you know what, what is this? Karen start
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: this crawling all over him? Why does a grown woman
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: do that with somebody she's dating.
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: She's prevented Nancy and she's she absolutely has to have
• 21:33
  Speaker 5: that kind of intensity in her relationships. It's not that
• 21:36
  Speaker 5: she really feels anything, but she needs to control. She
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: needs to be over him and make sure that he's
• 21:43
  Speaker 5: doing the things that show that he's attached to her
• 21:46
  Speaker 5: and only to her.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut twelve. This is Mary
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: Ellen Rasindez at ABC fifteen.
• 21:53
  Speaker 17: Travis Alexander called Brenton, doctor Hyatt and their family his
• 21:56
  Speaker 17: Arizona family. He ate dinners with them often and on
• 22:00
  Speaker 17: at least two occasions, brought Jody Arius with him.
• 22:03
  Speaker 15: I didn't really see much of a future in it.
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: I don't really know that he did either, but apparently
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: Travis Alexander thought there was guys. In addition to Alexis Tereschuk,
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: Joseph Scott, Morgan, Kiaren Starkin, Kirk Nurmi now joining me
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: a new and very critical guest today, a longtime friend
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: of both Travis Alexander and Jody Arius. The author of
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: Our Friend Travis. Christopher Hughes joining us, Chris, thanks for being.
• 22:34
  Speaker 6: With us, Hey, you're welcome.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: How does it hit you, Chris to hear us talking
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: about the beginnings of the relationship between Arius and Travis.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: When you look back on it, that's real.
• 22:45
  Speaker 6: I mean it was you know, things like this aren't
• 22:48
  Speaker 6: supposed to happen in your life, but it happened in
• 22:51
  Speaker 6: my life. And you know, in some ways it feels
• 22:54
  Speaker 6: like a bad movie that I watched, you know, in
• 22:57
  Speaker 6: so many years now, But you know, it wasn't a movie.
• 23:02
  Speaker 6: It was real. It happened.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: How did you know them?
• 23:05
  Speaker 6: I met Travis at church. I moved from Fort Worth,
• 23:08
  Speaker 6: Texas to Riverside, California, back in two thousand and one,
• 23:12
  Speaker 6: I think, and I I was in that church a
• 23:15
  Speaker 6: couple of weeks and the bishop asked me if I
• 23:18
  Speaker 6: would teach a Sunday school class, and so I volunteered
• 23:21
  Speaker 6: to teach the class every Sunday, and I think it
• 23:23
  Speaker 6: was my second week. Travis was the superintendent or you know,
• 23:28
  Speaker 6: he was over all the Sunday school teachers, and he
• 23:32
  Speaker 6: was just hanging out of my class one day to
• 23:34
  Speaker 6: make sure that I was staying on task and doing
• 23:38
  Speaker 6: a good job. And I quoted from the book How
• 23:43
  Speaker 6: to Win Friends and Influence People. There's a poem in
• 23:46
  Speaker 6: there called Father Forgets, and I read the poem and
• 23:50
  Speaker 6: then I ended the class and Travis walked up to
• 23:53
  Speaker 6: me and said, Father Forgets from How to Win Friends
• 23:57
  Speaker 6: and Influence People. And I was like, oh, you you
• 23:59
  Speaker 6: know you you read those kind of books, you know
• 24:01
  Speaker 6: you read that sounded like, of course. And we hit
• 24:05
  Speaker 6: it off from that moment, and then he asked me.
• 24:08
  Speaker 6: He was looking for ways to make additional income, and
• 24:11
  Speaker 6: he asked me what I was doing, and I told
• 24:13
  Speaker 6: him a little bit about it, and he decided over
• 24:16
  Speaker 6: the next few days that he wanted to join me,
• 24:18
  Speaker 6: and so we were inseparable from that week going forward,
• 24:22
  Speaker 6: we became best friends and business partners, and we were
• 24:26
  Speaker 6: together literally every day in those early days of our
• 24:30
  Speaker 6: friendship and our business together.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: But then, where does Jody Arias fit into Sunday School.
• 24:36
  Speaker 6: Well, Jody didn't have religion. She I don't know what
• 24:39
  Speaker 6: she was doing religiously or spiritually before she connected with Travis.
• 24:44
  Speaker 6: But a few months after Travis and I started working together,
• 24:48
  Speaker 6: we went to a convention. Our company had conventions every year,
• 24:52
  Speaker 6: big ten fifteen thousand conventions, and I think we're at
• 24:57
  Speaker 6: the MGM Grand this one year, and Travis met Jody
• 25:02
  Speaker 6: arius there. She had just become an associate with the
• 25:06
  Speaker 6: company and she heard that there was going to be
• 25:09
  Speaker 6: this big convention, and she wanted to be successful in
• 25:11
  Speaker 6: the company, she should probably go, and so she decided
• 25:15
  Speaker 6: to go, and Travis and Jody met there, and you know,
• 25:21
  Speaker 6: then they became inseparable for a long period of time.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: We were just describing earlier playing sound of how friends
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: and noticed Areas would just crawl all over him. Literally,
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: there's just no other way to put it. And I
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: also heard that as her relationship was described with other men.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: So this wasn't just about Travis. Did you witness their relationship, Chris.
• 25:45
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I did. I mean that was me in the
• 25:47
  Speaker 6: in the sound bite, and I was sitting in a
• 25:49
  Speaker 6: sub with Travis and my then wife's sky and it
• 25:54
  Speaker 6: was just really bizarre to watch, and they their relationship
• 25:59
  Speaker 6: really began to bud and grow and develop in my house,
• 26:04
  Speaker 6: you know. I mean, at the time, Jody was still
• 26:07
  Speaker 6: living with a boyfriend that she had purchased a home with,
• 26:12
  Speaker 6: and she had told Travis that they were divorced, but
• 26:15
  Speaker 6: that he couldn't come to her house because that would
• 26:18
  Speaker 6: be really awkward. She lived in the Desert Palm Desert
• 26:22
  Speaker 6: area Palm Springs area in California. Travis was living in Ace, Arizona,
• 26:27
  Speaker 6: and so he would actually drive past her house on
• 26:31
  Speaker 6: his way to my house to rendezvous, and she would
• 26:34
  Speaker 6: come over and hang out, and they would stay for
• 26:37
  Speaker 6: days at a time, and in fact, just an interesting
• 26:41
  Speaker 6: side note, sometimes Jody would show up without Travis and
• 26:45
  Speaker 6: unannounced and would stay for a couple of days or longer.
• 26:49
  Speaker 6: And so, yeah, they would come over and they were
• 26:53
  Speaker 6: there a lot, and so we watched all of this happen.
• 26:56
  Speaker 6: At first, I really really liked Jody. I thought she
• 26:58
  Speaker 6: was great. I thought she was smart. I thought she
• 27:00
  Speaker 6: had a great handshake, but she had good eye contact.
• 27:04
  Speaker 6: She seemed to be able to talk about any any
• 27:08
  Speaker 6: subject that came up. But then as she was in
• 27:12
  Speaker 6: my home day after day after day, you know, then
• 27:16
  Speaker 6: you start to see the oddities and the bizarre behavior
• 27:19
  Speaker 6: and crawling all.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: I gotta hear this. I got to hear the bizarre behavior.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: Please tell me.
• 27:26
  Speaker 6: Well, so she takes an interest in the Mormon Church
• 27:28
  Speaker 6: because Travis has wanted a Mormon girlfriend or a Mormon
• 27:35
  Speaker 6: woman to be in his life, and she just was,
• 27:38
  Speaker 6: in my opinion, she was doing everything that she could
• 27:40
  Speaker 6: to get Travis to commit to her and to like her.
• 27:44
  Speaker 6: For example, we're watching the UFC, you know, cage fighting basically,
• 27:48
  Speaker 6: and and Jodie is what it's loud, you know, My
• 27:53
  Speaker 6: kids are running around the house, and there's people there,
• 27:55
  Speaker 6: and we're eating pizza and hanging out, and the TV's
• 27:58
  Speaker 6: really loud. And she's walking back and forth in front
• 28:01
  Speaker 6: of the television reading her Book of Mormon, you know,
• 28:04
  Speaker 6: or reading her Bible. I don't know what she was reading.
• 28:06
  Speaker 6: She had her scriptures in her hand and We're like,
• 28:09
  Speaker 6: what does she you know, like get out of the way,
• 28:11
  Speaker 6: Like what are you doing. She's walking around the house
• 28:14
  Speaker 6: trying to show everybody how spiritual she was while we're
• 28:16
  Speaker 6: trying to watch, you know, a blood sport.
• 28:21
  Speaker 18: Yeah, and then and then Travis would get up. Oftentimes,
• 28:26
  Speaker 18: anytime Travis got up to go to the bathroom, to
• 28:28
  Speaker 18: go anywhere, do anything around the house, Jody would wait
• 28:32
  Speaker 18: just a few seconds and then she would get up
• 28:34
  Speaker 18: and follow him out of the room. And there were
• 28:38
  Speaker 18: multiple times where we came around the corner to see
• 28:41
  Speaker 18: what she was doing, and we caught her right on
• 28:45
  Speaker 18: Travis's conversations or if you're just sitting on the toilet,
• 28:48
  Speaker 18: you know, behind the closed door in the bathroom, she's
• 28:51
  Speaker 18: got her ear up against the door trying to figure
• 28:53
  Speaker 18: out what he's up to and what he's doing. And
• 28:55
  Speaker 18: that was from the very very beginning. It's not like, oh,
• 28:58
  Speaker 18: I caught my boyfriend. She so I got to you know,
• 29:00
  Speaker 18: I follow him around everywhere. Nothing like that had ever
• 29:04
  Speaker 18: happened at this point. She's just following following him around.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: Okay, that's totally freaky, you know. Alexis Tereschuk Crime online
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporter also with lead stories dot Com.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: I know you're hearing Chris Hughes and Karen Stark talking.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: That's you know, when you get a hold of somebody
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: that starts, you know, following you around and following you
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: to the bathroom. I told you, Alexis, I read my
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: husband's emails one time. I thought I was gonna die.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: My eyes started to believe they were so boring it
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: was awful. I kept thinking, Oh, I gotta find something,
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: just something, nothing, There was nothing. I've never done it again.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: I thought my head was going to blow off. If
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: you've got to follow somebody around and listen to the
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: bathroom door to hear if they're on the phone, then
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: you got the wrong person. Either they're making you insecure
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: or you just don't mix with that person. I would
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: hate to live a life like that, Alexis.
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: And she for your example with the emails, that's exactly
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: something she did. She would go through Travis's emails and
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: forward them to herself and delete things out of an email.
• 30:14
  Speaker 6: She was.
• 30:17
  Speaker 9: All her from the beginning.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: Christopher Hughes, friend of Travis, and Jodi, author of Our
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: Friend Travis. Chris, did the friends notice there was something
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: wrong with the relationship.
• 30:31
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it was kind of a freaky thing that happened,
• 30:35
  Speaker 6: but yeah, I mean, most people that knew Jody, well,
• 30:40
  Speaker 6: let me let me put it to this way, most
• 30:41
  Speaker 6: people that met Jody through Travis or through the business
• 30:46
  Speaker 6: didn't like her, just instinctively or intuitively. And most of
• 30:51
  Speaker 6: the most of the people that didn't like her were women.
• 30:54
  Speaker 6: And most of the women that didn't like her warned
• 30:57
  Speaker 6: Travis like, hey, she's not right. There's something not right
• 31:00
  Speaker 6: about her. I don't know what it is. I don't
• 31:02
  Speaker 6: get a good feeling from her. And he hated it.
• 31:05
  Speaker 6: And one night it happened in my own home. It
• 31:09
  Speaker 6: was such a freaky experience. But Travis and Jody, well,
• 31:13
  Speaker 6: I guess that comes along a little later. But Sky
• 31:16
  Speaker 6: and Jody went in the kitchen. Travis and I were
• 31:19
  Speaker 6: in my office and I get a text. My phone
• 31:23
  Speaker 6: is on my desk's face up and Sky texted me
• 31:28
  Speaker 6: and she said, she's driving me crazy, get her out
• 31:31
  Speaker 6: of here. And as soon as I saw it, Travis
• 31:35
  Speaker 6: was standing behind me. I flipped my phone over and
• 31:38
  Speaker 6: I started laughing because it was so awkward, and I
• 31:41
  Speaker 6: was hoping that Travis didn't read it, but I had
• 31:42
  Speaker 6: a feeling that he did, and he said, what's going on?
• 31:46
  Speaker 6: I said what? I was giggling just so uncomfortable, and
• 31:50
  Speaker 6: he said I saw that, Like what's going on? I said, Travis,
• 31:53
  Speaker 6: we need to talk and he said, we'll start talking.
• 31:57
  Speaker 6: He's really upset because he liked her so much. And
• 32:01
  Speaker 6: I said, well, let's wait till after dinner. You know,
• 32:04
  Speaker 6: I want Sky to be there. There's things that she's
• 32:06
  Speaker 6: observed and that I've observed, and I'd like to have
• 32:08
  Speaker 6: a conversation with you together. So later that night, Travis
• 32:12
  Speaker 6: and Jody getting a little spat. She goes to bed earlier,
• 32:14
  Speaker 6: at least we thought she did. And then Travis and
• 32:17
  Speaker 6: Sky and I the three of us were sitting on
• 32:19
  Speaker 6: my bed in my bedroom behind closed and locked door,
• 32:25
  Speaker 6: and we were talking for hours and we had just
• 32:28
  Speaker 6: gotten to kind of the.
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: I don't know the.
• 32:32
  Speaker 6: High point of the conversation or the whole point of
• 32:35
  Speaker 6: the conversation trying to tell her and I remember Sky
• 32:39
  Speaker 6: passionately was saying, Travis, you'll understand, like we think she's dangerous,
• 32:45
  Speaker 6: and he was defending her and saying dangerous and kidding
• 32:48
  Speaker 6: she wouldn't hurt a fly. You guys. She's so sweet,
• 32:51
  Speaker 6: she's so nice, and right as he's defending her. Sky
• 32:55
  Speaker 6: she has kind of a sixth sense, and she put
• 32:58
  Speaker 6: her finger to her lips to tell us to be quiet,
• 33:01
  Speaker 6: and then she pointed at the door and she she lives.
• 33:05
  Speaker 6: You know, she didn't even whisper, She kind of just
• 33:07
  Speaker 6: lift she's out there. And Travis looked mortified. He's thinking,
• 33:12
  Speaker 6: no way, no, she's not. And Sky's you know, nodding
• 33:16
  Speaker 6: her head up and down, saying, yes, she's out there.
• 33:18
  Speaker 6: She's out there. And Travis, right in the middle of
• 33:21
  Speaker 6: our conversation, he jumps off the bed and rips the
• 33:26
  Speaker 6: door open, and there's Jodyarius with her face to the door,
• 33:30
  Speaker 6: listening to our conversation at midnight upstairs on the opposite
• 33:34
  Speaker 6: end of the house from where her bet. She had
• 33:36
  Speaker 6: her own bedroom in her house. And it was the
• 33:39
  Speaker 6: scariest I mean literally, that moment was one of this,
• 33:43
  Speaker 6: if not the scariest moments in my life because of
• 33:47
  Speaker 6: her face. She had this evil and it's not twenty
• 33:51
  Speaker 6: twenty hindsight, you know what I mean, Like, oh, she
• 33:54
  Speaker 6: was a murderer, and oh yeah, that night was really scary.
• 33:56
  Speaker 6: We talked about it that night. In fact, Travis was
• 34:02
  Speaker 6: so embarrassed by this because he's literally defending her, saying
• 34:07
  Speaker 6: she's so nice and so sweet and so normally wouldn't
• 34:10
  Speaker 6: her to fly while she's eavesdropping in somebody else's house
• 34:14
  Speaker 6: at midnight outside our bedroom door, And so he was embarrassed.
• 34:18
  Speaker 6: As Jody go to bed, you know, come talk to you.
• 34:20
  Speaker 6: What are you doing? She's like, is everything okay, Everything's fine, Like,
• 34:23
  Speaker 6: go to sleep, I'll come talk to you later. So
• 34:25
  Speaker 6: she shut the door and I said, Travis, case in point, bro,
• 34:29
  Speaker 6: like that's what I'm talking about. Who does that?
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: Who does that?
• 34:33
  Speaker 6: Normal people don't do that? And then the conversation continued
• 34:37
  Speaker 6: for maybe another hour and we caught her again. We
• 34:41
  Speaker 6: caught her again eavesdropping on our conversation. When we caught
• 34:45
  Speaker 6: her the second time, I said, Travis, get out of here, dude.
• 34:48
  Speaker 6: I was like, go down there, go handle that, like
• 34:50
  Speaker 6: we're done. Conversation's done. If you don't get it, there's nothing,
• 34:53
  Speaker 6: I mean, there's nothing more I can do. But what
• 34:55
  Speaker 6: Jody said was excuse me. What Sky said was she said, Travis,
• 34:59
  Speaker 6: where afraid we're going to find you chopped up in
• 35:03
  Speaker 6: her freezer. That's that's what Sky said moments before we
• 35:08
  Speaker 6: discovered that Jody was eavesdropping outside our bedroom door.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: Chris, you got to tell me, You have to tell
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: me what was it that she did? What was it
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: about her that made you feel that, that made Sky
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: feel that? What did she do?
• 35:22
  Speaker 8: Well?
• 35:23
  Speaker 6: At this point, you know, keep in mind, she had
• 35:25
  Speaker 6: already admitted to us that she had been stealing, getting
• 35:29
  Speaker 6: into Travis's emails. She already admitted she'd been getting into
• 35:33
  Speaker 6: a cell phone, she'd been tracking his conversations with other women.
• 35:37
  Speaker 6: And keep in mind they were not in a relationship.
• 35:39
  Speaker 6: They were just trying to figure out if they wanted
• 35:41
  Speaker 6: to be in a relationship. She's following him around the house.
• 35:44
  Speaker 6: She's becoming like a chameleon. We watch a personality shift
• 35:48
  Speaker 6: from one person to the other depending on where she
• 35:50
  Speaker 6: goes and he she's with and what she's doing. And
• 35:53
  Speaker 6: so it was all of those things that were kind
• 35:55
  Speaker 6: of creeping us out in the background. But once we
• 35:57
  Speaker 6: saw that she's in our house and she eavesdropping on
• 36:00
  Speaker 6: a very private conversation, and it was the look in
• 36:04
  Speaker 6: her face, it was a cold, murderous and again not
• 36:09
  Speaker 6: twenty twenty hindsight, after she killed him. Sky and I
• 36:12
  Speaker 6: were holding hands laying the bed at two o'clock in
• 36:15
  Speaker 6: the morning, and she said, Chris, did you see that look?
• 36:19
  Speaker 6: I said, of course, I saw that look A scary
• 36:21
  Speaker 6: one of scarce things I've ever said I saw. And
• 36:24
  Speaker 6: she said seeing excuse me? And she said, do you
• 36:28
  Speaker 6: think our kids are safe? Should we go and get
• 36:30
  Speaker 6: the kids and bring them into our bedroom? And then
• 36:34
  Speaker 6: she said, Chris, she's evil. She could burn our house
• 36:37
  Speaker 6: down like that. That's what was It was that look
• 36:42
  Speaker 6: that was so frightening, that gives you chills and causes
• 36:45
  Speaker 6: the hairs on the back of your neck to stand up.
• 36:47
  Speaker 6: I've never experienced anything like it before nor since.
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friends at crimeonline dot com.
• 36:53
  Speaker 17: It didn't take long for the relations to cool, partly
• 36:56
  Speaker 17: because of Travis Alexander's interest in other women. Picture Perfect
• 37:01
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• 37:02
  Speaker 1: Hogan.
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: Jody went through his phone and discovered these floority messages
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: to other women, and she decided to end the relationship
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: at that point. But at the same time, Travis was
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: looking to end the relationship.
• 37:13
  Speaker 17: And partly because of arius his possessiveness. The couple did
• 37:17
  Speaker 17: end the relationship, but continued to be friends with benefits.
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: Things finally began to cool down, how well.
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: Jody actually moved about a thousand miles away from Travis.
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: He was living in Phoenix, Arizona. She at this point
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: had no job. She wasn't living with him, she wasn't
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: living with any of our other ex boyfriends. She kind
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: of had no options, you know, she had no boyfriend,
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: no job, So she moved back home to Wyreka, California,
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: which is kind of right on the border of California
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: and Oregon. It's very northern California. Her family owned a
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: restaurant and she moved back there. So they were not
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: really in contact in person. They kept up. They're very
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: spicy sex, sohne sex conversations.
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: Alexis, hold on, hold on, so they break up? Paul, Wait,
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: let me go to Chris. He's longtime friend of Travis Alexander's.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: Did he reveal to you that he and Jody had
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: broken up?
• 38:20
  Speaker 6: You know, it's all so fuzzy to me, and I mean,
• 38:23
  Speaker 6: I'm really in all the conversations I had with Travis,
• 38:27
  Speaker 6: I don't ever remember him telling me he was with her.
• 38:30
  Speaker 6: You know, hey, she's my girlfriend now, you know, we're
• 38:34
  Speaker 6: in a committed, loving relationship. We never had that conversation,
• 38:38
  Speaker 6: so there was never there was no conversation to be
• 38:41
  Speaker 6: had on the back end, you know, to say, hey,
• 38:43
  Speaker 6: we're update, we're broken up now. But the only thing
• 38:46
  Speaker 6: that he ever did say to me is he would complain.
• 38:49
  Speaker 6: He would complain about her, you know, little things here
• 38:53
  Speaker 6: and there. He never told me about the big things.
• 38:56
  Speaker 6: Because if he told me about the big things, like
• 38:59
  Speaker 6: like slashing his tires and stealing things from his house,
• 39:05
  Speaker 6: you know, I would have been like, you know, I
• 39:07
  Speaker 6: told you, did I tell you? Didn't I tell you
• 39:09
  Speaker 6: she was nuts? So he wouldn't. He would never tell
• 39:11
  Speaker 6: me about the big like really violating psychotic things that
• 39:15
  Speaker 6: she was doing. And I had to find out about
• 39:18
  Speaker 6: and much of this after the fact. Unfortunately.
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: Well, you're absolutely right, Chris Hughes. Take a listen to
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: our friends at ABC's twenty twenty.
• 39:25
  Speaker 13: I absolutely know that she was stalking him many times,
• 39:29
  Speaker 13: just like when she went in through the back door
• 39:31
  Speaker 13: when he was kissing another girl in his couch. I mean,
• 39:34
  Speaker 13: she's spying on him. That's what's really happening there.
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: She slashed his tires, She broke into his email account,
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: she hacked into his Facebook page, she broke into his
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: house and stole his journals. She read his diary. She
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: just did these crazy stalking behaviors.
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: Okay, whoa wait, it's just like drinking from the fire hydrant.
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: There's just so much here you can't drink it all
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: in it once. Alexis Tereschuk speaking of her showing up
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: after they're broken up. Okay, so they break up, she
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: shows up at his home. What a cooinky dink that
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: it's when he has a date with another woman. Now
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: you know she was hacking into his email and text
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: his phone messages. She knew they had a date, and
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: so she was hanging around stalking out his you know,
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: really watching him.
• 40:24
  Speaker 4: Would have been arrested, could have been arrested for being
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: like a peeping tom, for trespassing.
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: And can you imagine You've got a date, you don't
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: really know the person, and you're potentially sharing your first
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: kiss on the sofa, and then out of the corner
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: of your eye you see Jody aries his head loom
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: up behind the bushes.
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: And it's terrified. Not only Travis, but all his roommates
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: were really afraid of her. And then he gets up
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: one morning and his tires are splashed his new car,
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: and they immediately there's not even a question in anyone's mind.
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: They're not thinking, oh, this is maybe some teenage pranksters
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: in the neighborhood. No, everybody knew it, Jody Area. There
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: wasn't a share. What is the phrase, an ounce of gout.
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: I'm living a shred of doubt?
• 41:08
  Speaker 14: Shred?
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: Oh thank you?
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah? And what about that Chris he is he
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: never told you that he suspected Jody Arius of slitting
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: his tires.
• 41:18
  Speaker 6: Towards the very end, he did because it was I mean,
• 41:21
  Speaker 6: it had gotten out, you know, we were all talking
• 41:23
  Speaker 6: about it because it happened twice. It didn't just happen
• 41:26
  Speaker 6: one time. It happened twice, and it was on a
• 41:28
  Speaker 6: BMW And anybody who's ever owned a BMW, those tires
• 41:31
  Speaker 6: are about, you know, three to five hundred dollars each,
• 41:34
  Speaker 6: and it was a bit. It was devastating, you know, financially,
• 41:36
  Speaker 6: he wasn't in a good spot and here's the cycle
• 41:39
  Speaker 6: pass cutting his tires. And I remember the second time
• 41:42
  Speaker 6: he didn't even know what he's going to do. He
• 41:44
  Speaker 6: was so distraught financially, you know what he couldn't pay for.
• 41:49
  Speaker 6: He couldn't pay for another Tire's like, how many times
• 41:51
  Speaker 6: do I have to do this with this woman?
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: Wow? So did he ever talk to you about when
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: she kind of like rose up in the wind the
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: day while he was kissing his new date.
• 42:02
  Speaker 6: No, he wouldn't. You never brought that up.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: Well, speaking of stalking steaking out, the two weren't technically
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: broken up, but one thing seemed to hold them together
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: a hot sex life. Listen you are.
• 42:26
  Speaker 19: When we took a bath together, that was that was surreal.
• 42:31
  Speaker 19: I honestly, I think I mean maybe a candle light,
• 42:35
  Speaker 19: the bubbles all had something to do with it. But
• 42:38
  Speaker 19: you were amazing. You made me seriously, you made me
• 42:42
  Speaker 19: feel like I got it. It wasn't saneuine like worshiping me,
• 42:46
  Speaker 19: but you were. You made me feel like I was
• 42:49
  Speaker 19: the most freaking beautiful woman on the whole planner. I
• 42:56
  Speaker 19: so felt like I was got it. And so aside
• 43:00
  Speaker 19: from all those forms are you feeling? It was so
• 43:04
  Speaker 19: sexy and it was so hot?
• 43:06
  Speaker 20: Oh gosh, well that's it wasn't hard to do were
• 43:14
  Speaker 20: freaking you were.
• 43:19
  Speaker 6: You are.
• 43:23
  Speaker 19: Yourself. Yeah, I'm already I just started.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you to the treat.
• 43:38
  Speaker 6: I'm going to tell you to a treat.
• 43:41
  Speaker 19: Oh my gosh, that is so debasing. I like it.
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: Okay. So that's just a tiny tidbit of the fantasy
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: life and the phone sex life that Arius was serving up.
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: And Travis Alexander fell for it, and yes he went
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: along with it. Yes he continued to have sex with Jody.
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: Arius to Alexis Terrest joining me crime online dot Com, Alexis,
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: How was Jody Arias still seeing Travis Alexander. I mean
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: she lives a whole state away.
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: They she would drive down and meet him, and they
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: would meet up. They would have their secret rom David.
• 44:28
  Speaker 4: In fact, he even told her that he was going
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: to take her on a trip that he was He
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: was going on a business trip where he was it
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: was a reward for the highest sellers, and he was
• 44:39
  Speaker 4: going to take Jody on this trip to Kangou, Mexico
• 44:42
  Speaker 4: with him. So even but this is what he told
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: her now is.
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: That the same trip ended up planning to take another woman.
• 44:49
  Speaker 4: Yep, changed his mind. After things went they had kept
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: up their phone sex they saw each other. She would
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: drive down there secretly, but then he told her, I'm
• 44:59
  Speaker 4: not taking you anymore. I'm going to take another woman.
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: And her response was to drive all the way I guess,
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: across the desert to get to him and have a
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: day of marathon sex to convince him to take her.
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Jodi Arius convicted in the
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: brutal murderer of her ex boyfriend Travis Alexander, stabbing him
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: at least twenty nine times. There were so many stabs
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: he couldn't really tell because they were overlapping, plus shooting
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: him in the head. Let's take a look at the
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: facts that supported her guilty conviction. Here we see her
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: driving across the desert for this day of marathon sex
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: to convince Travis Alexander that he should take her to
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: can Kun and not him. Chris Hughes, longtime friend of Travis.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: Did you know there was can Came business trip coming up?
• 46:01
  Speaker 6: Absolutely? Yeah. Travis and I were supposed to go together.
• 46:05
  Speaker 6: We had been planning it for a long time. He
• 46:09
  Speaker 6: never mentioned to me that he was going to take Jody. Well,
• 46:14
  Speaker 6: I shouldn't say never mentioned. I don't remember it at
• 46:16
  Speaker 6: this point. If he did say he was going to
• 46:19
  Speaker 6: be taking Jody, but these things you qualify, you know,
• 46:23
  Speaker 6: and then it's several months I mean, maybe even six
• 46:25
  Speaker 6: months more that you have to wait before you before
• 46:29
  Speaker 6: you actually take the trip. And so the last I
• 46:32
  Speaker 6: don't know, maybe the last month of Travis's life, he
• 46:36
  Speaker 6: had this major scheme. You know, he had this plan.
• 46:39
  Speaker 6: He was so excited about it because he was dating, well,
• 46:42
  Speaker 6: he was interested in this new woman. She was not
• 46:47
  Speaker 6: really interested in him. She just was more about friendship.
• 46:50
  Speaker 6: But he had this whole plan about you know, hey,
• 46:52
  Speaker 6: if she sees me in my element and sees me
• 46:56
  Speaker 6: with all of my colleagues and how I am with
• 46:59
  Speaker 6: you and how I am with your kids, you know,
• 47:02
  Speaker 6: maybe she'll see a different side of me and start
• 47:05
  Speaker 6: to like me, you know, in a romantic way. So
• 47:08
  Speaker 6: he was putting this whole thing together, and yeah, we
• 47:12
  Speaker 6: were supposed to be on that trip together.
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: So on the eve of the trip, Jody Arius literally
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: crosses the desert to convince Travis Alexander that she was
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: the best one to go with him to King Kun
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: Take and listen to Zach Billings speaking to me that day.
• 47:34
  Speaker 6: I remember.
• 47:36
  Speaker 21: I was actually watching a movie with my girlfriend at the.
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: Time or my wife now, and.
• 47:44
  Speaker 21: I remember getting a knock on my door and Travis's
• 47:49
  Speaker 21: friends came to the door and they said, have you
• 47:52
  Speaker 21: seen Travis? And I said, well, no, I haven't seen Travis.
• 47:55
  Speaker 21: He's supposed to be in Cancun or out on vacation
• 47:58
  Speaker 21: right now. And they said, yes, he is, but he's
• 48:00
  Speaker 21: supposed to be here with me, with me me And
• 48:04
  Speaker 21: so I said, well, have you checked his bedroom? And
• 48:06
  Speaker 21: that was my first thought. So they said, well, no,
• 48:10
  Speaker 21: we have in the doors locked. And I said, I
• 48:11
  Speaker 21: think he keeps a spare set of keys downstairs. So
• 48:14
  Speaker 21: I went downstairs and I searched for him and grabbed
• 48:17
  Speaker 21: a few sets of keys and came back upstairs and
• 48:19
  Speaker 21: tried a few different sets of keys, and one of
• 48:21
  Speaker 21: them happened to be his bedroom key, And as soon
• 48:24
  Speaker 21: as the door was opened, my heart just sank. On
• 48:28
  Speaker 21: the right hand side, I did end up seeing a
• 48:33
  Speaker 21: pool of blood and looked down the hallway and saw
• 48:38
  Speaker 21: the just blood strewn throughout the hallway, and my heart
• 48:42
  Speaker 21: just sank. I ended up going into the closet that's
• 48:48
  Speaker 21: adjacent to the hallway and it opens up to the
• 48:50
  Speaker 21: bathroom as well, and that's when I saw his body
• 48:53
  Speaker 21: and I came back out and I just told everybody
• 48:55
  Speaker 21: he's DEADED called nine one one.
• 48:57
  Speaker 22: What's going on?
• 48:59
  Speaker 23: As friend was dead in his bedroom. We hadn't heard
• 49:02
  Speaker 23: from him for a while.
• 49:04
  Speaker 9: We think he's dead.
• 49:05
  Speaker 23: His roommates this one in there and so they bought
• 49:09
  Speaker 23: some blood. I didn't know that. I can give you
• 49:11
  Speaker 23: the song to someone who went in there.
• 49:13
  Speaker 22: Can yes, please name hi? So what's going on?
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: He's dead?
• 49:20
  Speaker 22: He's in his bedroom, Okay, in the shower. Okay, how
• 49:24
  Speaker 22: did this happen? Do you have any idea?
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: We have no idea.
• 49:26
  Speaker 6: Everyone's been wondering about him.
• 49:28
  Speaker 22: For she said that there's blood, So is it coming
• 49:31
  Speaker 22: from his head?
• 49:32
  Speaker 19: Did he?
• 49:34
  Speaker 6: It's all over the place?
• 49:35
  Speaker 22: Hold on just a moment. Okay, you're a good friend
• 49:41
  Speaker 22: of Travis's. Okay, Because he'd been depressed at all thinking
• 49:45
  Speaker 22: about any suicide anything like that.
• 49:48
  Speaker 9: I don't think he's been seeing Tom because he's been
• 49:50
  Speaker 9: really depressed because he broke up with this girl and
• 49:54
  Speaker 9: he was a upset about that. But I don't think
• 49:57
  Speaker 9: he would actually kill himself over that.
• 49:59
  Speaker 22: Has he been the by anyone recently he.
• 50:02
  Speaker 9: Has he hasn't He has an ex girlfriend that's been
• 50:04
  Speaker 9: bothering him and following him and flashing tires and things
• 50:08
  Speaker 9: like that.
• 50:09
  Speaker 22: And you know the ex girlfriend seeing his Her name
• 50:12
  Speaker 22: is Jody, but no one.
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: Had reported her behavior to police. As the rest of
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: that nine one one call goes, you are hearing the
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: nine one one call when friends find Travis Alexander not
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: only stabbed multiple times but shot dead in his shower stall.
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: Listen to this.
• 50:33
  Speaker 22: The roommate, when was the last time he saw Travis?
• 50:35
  Speaker 23: Was it three days ago?
• 50:37
  Speaker 9: That do you?
• 50:38
  Speaker 19: Guys?
• 50:38
  Speaker 9: When we welcome yourself that I mean Travis. They want
• 50:41
  Speaker 9: to know that, some of them.
• 50:43
  Speaker 6: Last time I saw him was what last birthday party?
• 50:47
  Speaker 23: The last one I ever seen him was last third day?
• 50:53
  Speaker 9: Me saw last two days on our last Monday. She
• 50:56
  Speaker 9: talked to him last Monday.
• 50:58
  Speaker 22: Okay, and everyone is out of the house. There's no
• 51:01
  Speaker 22: one else in the house.
• 51:02
  Speaker 9: No no one in the house.
• 51:04
  Speaker 22: And what is your name?
• 51:06
  Speaker 9: My name is Michelle. I need to ask a friend
• 51:09
  Speaker 9: something here. I'm giving the phone to me. Okay, Okay, Hi, Hi's.
• 51:15
  Speaker 6: Business partner.
• 51:16
  Speaker 4: Okay, And this is okay.
• 51:18
  Speaker 23: The tub is in his bedroom.
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, this is the bathroom off Travis Alexander's bedroom,
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: though phone has now been handed off to another friend
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: named me.
• 51:28
  Speaker 23: Listen, I didn't go in, but from what I heard
• 51:31
  Speaker 23: his dreammateen in, they fled in his bedroom behind the door. Uh.
• 51:36
  Speaker 23: And and then he said it's all over. And then
• 51:39
  Speaker 23: they went in the bathroom and in his shower. Oh.
• 51:43
  Speaker 19: And you know his his his bedroom is where in
• 51:48
  Speaker 19: the house.
• 51:49
  Speaker 23: It's upstairs. And if you go up the stairs, it's
• 51:54
  Speaker 23: on the left. It's the first door on your left.
• 51:56
  Speaker 23: It's the only door on your.
• 51:57
  Speaker 22: Left, okay.
• 51:58
  Speaker 23: And and it's just a big master, sweet bedroom.
• 52:03
  Speaker 17: That day, and I don't know.
• 52:10
  Speaker 23: She's talking to his friend right now. And there's a
• 52:13
  Speaker 23: girl that sends stocking him and and and she's trying
• 52:18
  Speaker 23: and he's trying to know, Uh, you might not with
• 52:22
  Speaker 23: some information. I hope my phone doesn't die. I'm on
• 52:26
  Speaker 23: like one bar of battery.
• 52:27
  Speaker 22: Okay, Well, I'm just gonna keep you on the phone
• 52:29
  Speaker 22: until officers are right, either officers or pyramis right.
• 52:31
  Speaker 23: Okay, Okay, I think I can say the same.
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: You're hearing a very disjointed but shocking nine one one call.
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: But to Chris Hughes' longtime friend of Travis Alexander, inspirational speaker,
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: author of a number one Amazon bestseller, Our Friend Travis,
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: The Travis Alexander Story. Chris Hughes is with us. Chris,
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: do you remember and Travis's body was found stabbed over
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: twenty times and shot in the head.
• 53:07
  Speaker 9: I do.
• 53:07
  Speaker 6: I'll never forget it. I was in Mexico waiting for Travis.
• 53:11
  Speaker 6: He was supposed to arrive the next day, and I'd
• 53:16
  Speaker 6: been calling him and no answer and no reply to
• 53:19
  Speaker 6: texts or anything. And so I actually was going to
• 53:23
  Speaker 6: call the police to do a check on him, and
• 53:26
  Speaker 6: my then wife Guy said, well, you know, they'll just
• 53:29
  Speaker 6: check the outside of the house. We need to have
• 53:31
  Speaker 6: somebody go in. And so it's just interesting how this
• 53:34
  Speaker 6: whole story played out. We called other friends who showed
• 53:38
  Speaker 6: up just after those people that we just heard, you know,
• 53:42
  Speaker 6: that other group of friends had showed up and found Travis.
• 53:46
  Speaker 6: And I was waiting for a phone call back from
• 53:50
  Speaker 6: the friends that we sent over, and it was the
• 53:52
  Speaker 6: middle of the night that I got a call from
• 53:55
  Speaker 6: a friend and I'll never forget what he said. He said,
• 53:58
  Speaker 6: pet Dog, which is what we called him. Said, Chris P.
• 54:00
  Speaker 6: Dodg is dead.
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: You know, Alexis Tereschak, Crime online dot Com investigative reporter,
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: that nil one call started a series of events that
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: I will never forget. Alexis, you and I have covered
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: a lot of NAIMO one calls together, and I've played
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: a lot of NIMO one calls for Juris. But what's
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: so interesting is the raw emotion and so often the
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: dead on accuracy. These witnesses that find his body say
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: he's had a girl stalking him. I mean, right then,
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: they're calling it exactly.
• 54:36
  Speaker 4: There was no oh, maybe somebody broke in and did this.
• 54:40
  Speaker 4: Maybe he did this to himself. They knew immediately who
• 54:42
  Speaker 4: it was, and they named it. They didn't even say, oh,
• 54:45
  Speaker 4: maybe I shouldn't say no. Travis's frowns. Who were They're
• 54:47
  Speaker 4: shaking their voices, they're shaking with emotions. Save Jody. This
• 54:51
  Speaker 4: woman has been stalking him. He is very upset because
• 54:55
  Speaker 4: she's bothering him so much. And they said, oh, and
• 54:58
  Speaker 4: he would not have killed himself. This is the result
• 55:00
  Speaker 4: of somebody else killing.
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: I mean, let's care real. Joe Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics,
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: kill yourself, what stabbing yourself. What was it twenty They
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: couldn't actually tell twenty nine times. Some people would argue
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: back and forth twenty seven versus twenty eight versus twenty
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: nine because there were so many stab wounds they were
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: on top of each other, so you couldn't really tell
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: how many times he was stabbed plus shot in the
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: head and left to decomposing his own shower.
• 55:25
  Speaker 24: Yeah, and that's the key, Nancy, Hey, Listen, the reason
• 55:29
  Speaker 24: they couldn't actually come to a definitive number was because
• 55:33
  Speaker 24: decomposition was in a moderate to advanced stage, and so
• 55:37
  Speaker 24: you couldn't fully appreciate. But what the friends saw when
• 55:40
  Speaker 24: they walked in was an absolute horror show. Because what
• 55:43
  Speaker 24: they could you don't need an MD in order to
• 55:47
  Speaker 24: understand or make a diagnosis in that moment, because there
• 55:50
  Speaker 24: is bloodstaining everywhere. He's crumpled up in the bottom of
• 55:55
  Speaker 24: this bath, in this you know this, in this shower stall,
• 55:59
  Speaker 24: and he literally crumpled up in there, in my opinion,
• 56:02
  Speaker 24: because he was deposited there. He wasn't killed in the shower.
• 56:07
  Speaker 24: He was killed elsewhere, and then he was placed in
• 56:09
  Speaker 24: the shower and he was essentially thrown away. He was
• 56:13
  Speaker 24: essentially left behind to.
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: Alexis Terreschuk crimeonline dot Com investigative reporter, isn't it true?
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: The last person known to be with Travis Alexander before
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: he's murdered is Jody Arius. Why was she there? They
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: were broken up exactly.
• 56:29
  Speaker 4: She seems like she was there. She wanted to go
• 56:32
  Speaker 4: on this trip to kankun Travis had really just done
• 56:36
  Speaker 4: so well in work and he was getting this big
• 56:38
  Speaker 4: trip and he told her, I'm not taking you, I
• 56:41
  Speaker 4: am taking another woman. So she comes in from out
• 56:45
  Speaker 4: of town to try to convince him to take her
• 56:49
  Speaker 4: and spend the night with him like a wild night,
• 56:52
  Speaker 4: which was, well, well.
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: What a wild night? What do you mean they went partying?
• 56:56
  Speaker 4: Nope, they had wild sex. And the reason that I
• 56:58
  Speaker 4: know this happened in the one else's bedroom is because
• 57:01
  Speaker 4: there were pictures of their wild night, including she was
• 57:05
  Speaker 4: tied up in his bed.
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: In the aftermath of Travis's brutal murder, twenty nine stab
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: wounds and one gunshot wound to the head right there,
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: Let me pause to Professor Forensics Jacksonville State University, Joe Scott,
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: what does that tell you? Twenty nine stab wounds a
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: gunshot wound to the head. How many times over was
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: Travis Alexander.
• 57:30
  Speaker 24: Kill multiple Nancy and she You know, the thing about
• 57:34
  Speaker 24: it is is that the injuries that Travis sustained, there's
• 57:38
  Speaker 24: any number of them that are lethal. In this particular case, amazingly,
• 57:44
  Speaker 24: the gunshot was not Amazingly the gunshot wound that he
• 57:48
  Speaker 24: sustained which entered right above his right eye, and the
• 57:52
  Speaker 24: round actually lodged in his left cheek. There was no
• 57:56
  Speaker 24: hemorrhage in that wound track, So that gives us an
• 57:58
  Speaker 24: indication that was probably done after death. But where she
• 58:02
  Speaker 24: really killed him was or his death, his march toward
• 58:08
  Speaker 24: death started in that shower. She actually nailed with the
• 58:12
  Speaker 24: knife his vena cava, which is a large vessel that
• 58:16
  Speaker 24: comes off of the heart. And when we look at
• 58:19
  Speaker 24: the scene, you can see that he has projectiled blood
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  Speaker 24: all over the sink. He had an awareness of this, Nancy.
• 58:25
  Speaker 24: He tried to fight her off. He had injuries to
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  Speaker 24: his hands that were consistent with Sharpoard's injuries, defensive wounds,
• 58:31
  Speaker 24: and of course as he crawled away, just trying to
• 58:34
  Speaker 24: get away, Nancy, she slid his throat almost from ear
• 58:37
  Speaker 24: to ear. She went through not his not just his
• 58:41
  Speaker 24: jugler vein, not just his karates, but she also cut
• 58:45
  Speaker 24: his trachia that supplies the lungs with air. And when
• 58:49
  Speaker 24: you see the scene, when you see it, it is
• 58:52
  Speaker 24: an absolute blood bath. Nancy.
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  Speaker 1: Guys. Of course, in the aftermath of travis murder, areas,
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: of course is questioned because she was there that day.
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: Take a listen to what Jodi Arius tells k tv K.
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  Speaker 25: And you thought that he was sad some twenty seven
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  Speaker 25: times and shout once in that life of cheek, what hope.
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  Speaker 12: Could have done this?
• 59:23
  Speaker 26: I don't know who do you think and killed him?
• 59:26
  Speaker 25: I have no idea.
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  Speaker 4: Do you think that it was a random thing or
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  Speaker 4: somebody that knew him? I mean, this is a guy
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  Speaker 4: that you were pretty close to.
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  Speaker 25: This was a guy I was close to at a
• 59:37
  Speaker 25: time when we were really trying to move apart from
• 59:39
  Speaker 25: each other. So I mean, there were certain details about
• 59:42
  Speaker 25: his life that.
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  Speaker 26: I never did know about.
• 59:45
  Speaker 25: And there are even more details that I I did
• 59:48
  Speaker 25: not know about as in as well as details about
• 59:50
  Speaker 25: my life that he didn't know about because I had
• 59:52
  Speaker 25: moved on. I had moved to California, so we were
• 59:56
  Speaker 25: making a sincere effort to grow apart and to be
• 59:59
  Speaker 25: a part and to move on. But nonetheless he did
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 25: remain a close friend of mine. And I just can't
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 25: make it.
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  Speaker 1: Take a listen to more of what Jodi Arias says.
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  Speaker 9: Where do you at Travis's house on Wednesday?
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 22: Absolutely not?
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  Speaker 26: It was nowhere near Mesa, was nowhere near No Phoenix.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 26: I wasn't even close to him.
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  Speaker 5: Where to show you proofy were there?
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  Speaker 19: How would a change your mind?
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 26: I wasn't there. Can you be honest with you, Joey,
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  Speaker 26: I was not at.
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  Speaker 1: Travis's house, He was not was not at Travis's house.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: But then that pesky little digiKam lexis Terreschuk raises its
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: ugly head as if it were a little monster. What
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: else was revealed on the digicam? And where was it found?
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 4: So the camera was actually found in the washing machine
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 4: in Travis's house, which means that somebody was trying to
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 4: hide it, so it was thrown in there and washed,
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 4: but the police weren't able to take it and had
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 4: a SIM card in it, so it was like a
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 4: little tiny floppy disk if anyone remembers that, and it
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 4: had all the images on there, so the police were
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 4: abady pulled us up. So they see the naked pictures
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 4: of Jody tied to the bag from their wild text nights.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 4: But then they also see pictures of Travis naked in
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 4: the shower, standing up alive, looking at Jody covered in water.
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  Speaker 4: And after that there are a couple of shots that
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 4: actually show basically the crime being committed, and that shows
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 4: you know her, I believe her arm is in there.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 4: And this is what the police say. Oh my gosh,
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 4: we basically have photographic evidence.
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  Speaker 1: Kerk Nurmi, who was appointed to represent Jody arias trial,
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: So I'm not sure how you would get around that
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: at trial because your client tried hovels across the desert
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: with a not red rental car with gas cans full
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: of gas, gets there, has a marathon day of sex
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: trying to convince Alexander to take her to Cancun, not
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: his new girlfriend. It's all on digit cam. And at
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: the end of that series of sex photos, whoa, there's
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: Jody Arius's leg and a pair of her pants on
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: a bloody crime scene. Oops. I guess the real killer
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: snuck in and use her. Did you cam all right?
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 12: Nancy? Remember, by the time I got the case matters
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 12: were worse because after Detective Flores confronted her with these
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 12: pictures proof she was there, she comes up with this
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 12: story about two mask intruders coming into the bathroom, killing
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 12: Travis and threatening to kill her. If she just said
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 12: anything and.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: Then masked intruders, you're absolutely correct. How could I forget
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: the mask intruders and they weren't just masked? Take a
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: listen to this.
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  Speaker 19: I turned around.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: There two people where one was a guy and one
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: was a girl.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 26: I couldn't tell that at first, but I could just
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 26: see one was a girl, and I assue the other
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 26: was a guy.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: Because they're build.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 19: And then their voices, I.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 26: Don't remember if they were wearing like maybe jeans.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 22: What did they say?
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 26: One was in all black, one was in jeans.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 19: I don't say anything. What words did you hear?
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 21: Phrases?
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 19: Who is that? Who is that?
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 17: I thought he was by himself or alone.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 26: Or something, and he was like, should just finish it?
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 26: And Travis was screaming the whole time.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 19: He wasn't screaming like a girl.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 26: He was just like like he was in pain, Like
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 26: he was like shocked, like oh, you know, he took.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: Off I read and he.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 13: Wasn't.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 19: He was still put conscious and still alive.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: And I just loved them there, Kirk Nurmi, I never
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: thought this would happen, but I actually, just a tiny,
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: tiny sliver of me actually feel sorry for you because
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: your client changes her story from I wasn't there to okay, okay, okay,
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: you've got me on the digit camp. I was there,
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: but I didn't do it. Two ninjas did it, dressed
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: in solid black, a man and a woman. They murder
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: Travis and I run out and save my own life.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: But I don't call police. Okay, what Kirk, when you
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: hear what you're confronted with, what you've got to somehow
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: try to explain away to a jury what's going through
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: your mind?
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 12: Well, remember, see, I think your sympathy for me in
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 12: this situation should be a little more than slight. Because
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 12: this is the beginning of her press tour, right, she
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 12: famously goes on national.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 6: TV talks about the ninja story.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 12: She goes on to you know, talk about their sex
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 12: life and everything else about the relationship that paints herself
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 12: in the best light. She's enjoying this limelight. This makes
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 12: it all the worse, and she famously does an interview
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 12: where she says, no jury will convict me. So again,
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 12: like I said earlier, the cards were definitely attacked against me.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 12: The reality was there. And keep in mind, this wasn't
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 12: just a murder case, this was a death penalty case.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 12: I had to begin to figure out a way to
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 12: try to save miss Areus's life. That became my priority.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: That's really hard when your client goes on TV and
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: changes stories including a male and a female ninja did it? Chris,
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: He's joining me longtime friend of Travis Alexander's Chris, Well,
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: you heard they. I didn't do it, changed too, a
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: man and a woman ninja did it? And I fled
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: to save my own life. How'd that strike you?
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  Speaker 6: It's preposterous, you know, I mean, I don't know what
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 6: else to say. It's just it's where where was she
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 6: going with that? And you know what's interesting about Jody Aerius.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 6: Other's lots obviously interesting. But she says that that as
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 6: she was leaving the house, she said, quote, I did
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 6: something I was ashamed of. She said. There was a
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 6: little girl playing in the front yard, and she said
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 6: that she Jody said that she backed up without looking
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 6: behind her. So no mention of leaving Travis Alexander, you know,
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 6: dying inside this house at the hands of these two ninjas.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 6: She was ashamed of herself for backing out of the
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 6: driveway without looking behind.
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  Speaker 1: Her as it moves forward. I want you to take
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: a list, Mike. Evidence is mounting. Take a Listen to
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: our cut thirty two. This is ABC's Ryan Owens.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 7: But prosecutors allege Arius is a stalker who brutally attacked
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 7: her x in a jealous rage when she found out
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 7: he was seeing other women. A mountain of forensic evidence,
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 7: including pictures taken on this camera, found in Alexander's washing machine.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 7: Prosecutors say Arias literally tried to wash that evidence away,
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 7: but on its memory card, detectives discovered not just those
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 7: racy photos from the couple's sexual encounter the day of
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 7: the murder, but a series of twenty shots of Alexander
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 7: posing in the shower minutes before his death. Prosecutors say
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 7: Arias put down the camera and picked up a knife,
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 7: stabbing her unsuspecting victim. The most damning picture comes after
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 7: the camera was dropped. The jury saw a shot of
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 7: what appears to be Arius actually moving the bloody body
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 7: prosecutor say she was especially cold blooded after the crime.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 7: They played this voicemail areas left on Alexander's phone a
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 7: few hours after she killed him. Morbidly enough, she invited
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 7: a man she knew was dead to come.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 6: Visit her.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: During the police interrogation. Of course, we see Arias on
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: close circuit TV doing headstands and singing and talking to herself.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: But you gotta hand it to veteran defense attorney Kirk Nurmi,
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: who is left wondering what am I gonna do? Now?
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: Take a listen to kirk Nurmi and a valiant hal
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: Mary in court.
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  Speaker 20: Something did happen in this moment of time. And the
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 20: point of this, I think is what this evidence shows
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 20: you is that either what happened is that Jody Aris
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 20: defended herself and didn't know I went to stop, or
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 20: she gave in to a sudden heat of passion from
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 20: a fight that began up in that bathroom. And then
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 20: what she did she did under that sudden heat of
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 20: passion demonstrative of that is this idea. She doesn't remember
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 20: any of it. So what I'm saying to you, ladies
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 20: and gentlemen, is, ultimately, if miss Arius is guilty of.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 24: Any crime at all. It is the crime of manslaughter
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 24: and nothing more.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: Chris, He used, where were you when the guilty of
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: art it was announced?
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 6: I was in the courtroom.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: Can you describe that moment?
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean it felt like it would never come,
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 6: and every second felt like an eternity. And I remember
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 6: my heart felt like it was going to beat out
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 6: of my chests, and I remember feeling short of breath
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 6: and always having to remind myself to breathe and taking
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 6: deep breaths. And you know, it feels it almost as
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 6: I look back now. I mean, it feels like a
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 6: dream state. But when we got the guilty verdict, you know,
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 6: it doesn't make any of this go away, right. It
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 6: was a weird thing. You'd think that there would be
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 6: some sort of relief, and I guess there was some
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 6: relief to a degree, but it just wasn't what I
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 6: had hoped, you know, because I realized in that moment
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 6: that she was guilty. Travis wasn't coming back.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: Convicted killer Jody Arius now signaling a brand new legal
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: push to defeat a jury's guilty verdict. That chance, Arius, Oh, well,
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: that chance, I mean, there's always a chance like a
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: snowball's chance in hill. But there is a chance, There
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: is chance. We wait as justice I'm false. Goodbye form