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What We Learned From The Buckeyes In The Final Interviews Before Ohio State vs. Michigan · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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Welcome to a very special live episode of buck Eyes tomorrow morning for Wednesday,
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November twenty second. I'm your host, tom Or the game against Michigan in
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three days. We were inside the Woody Hayes Athletic Center. There is a
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big ticking clock over our heads right now, so this is will probably not
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be as long as our typical live show. Don't worry. We have another
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live show coming up later on Tuesday for the CFP rankings reveal, So that'll
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be happening at seven o'clock on Tuesday night at YouTube dot com slash Buckeheadle.
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But right now, we got to talk about what we heard from the highest
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state players and coaches. These interviews first moment a lot longer than I was
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expecting. Everyone so was going, all right, dude, gets you into
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gonna jumping bang booms like going to Wisconsin. Yet No, that was not
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very that was very much not it. So I think let's start from the
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end. The last person to come out was Denzel Burke. He there's a
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little bit of an attitude. I think there this a little bit of you
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can understand why someone in the defense and someone on the defensive backfield especially would
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maybe take things a little personally after last year's o Highest Michigan game at how
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that played out. And you know, I think it's safe to say Denzel
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Burke is a little bit motivated for this Saturday in and very motivated. Obviously
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the last two years have not gone well for him and his team, talking
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about his freshman year being there and how it was just more than he anticipated.
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The didn't really understand the rivalry until basically until you lose it, Yeah,
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and then you have a brand new appreciation for it. But was he
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tried not to be emotional and would you said we're going to get it done
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for the state of Ohio. At one point he said, we're going to
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get it done and then he like stopped himself from saying anything more, and
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then later on came back and basically, you know, anything that can be
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seen as a guarantee people who jump on Blake Koram said some things yesterday that
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he probably could have thrown into the ether. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
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Blake. Blake Orum kind of went right up to the line and then
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sort of stopped himself. And because he was even talking about getting a getting
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a Jim Harborough a game Ballah, but you know, you have to you
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have to win to give him a game ball. So we're going to give
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him a gayball. Yeah, it's and so this was just, you know,
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one of those things you know, planning, you're planning on getting you
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want to get it done. We're going to get it done, that sort
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of thing. Yeah, this is one of the things where you can you
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can squint and make everything a headline if you want to, you will.
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You will note that we did not do that on Monday with Blake Korham,
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and we're really not going to do that on I saw one Michigan writer take
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two questions to Ryan Day from one of the TV stations here and splice the
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answers in and made it look like he was talking about he said, you
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like, the last two years things have not you know, we know what's
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going on in the last two years or whatever, and try to make it
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look like he was talking about the everything going on rather than the losses the
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last two years. Uh huh so so terrible reporting from Michigan reporters in the
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Year of Our Lord twenty twenty three, Will wonders never since all right,
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Tony, Uh, you did not have to be a private investigator to get
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to the bottom of what the topic of the day was. Obviously it was
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the Michigan game. No real updates on injuries as you would sort of expect,
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and no one from Michigan was real fourth right about injuries. None from
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Ohio State was real Forurth right about injuries. My expectation, broadly speaking is
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Michael Hall on Monday at a charity event said he would be back. Tommy
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Eikenberg good luck keeping Tommy Eichenberg off the field this weekend. A Mecca Abuka
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came out and talked, said last week was best he was feeling. So
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you know, he obviously played and looked looked a lot more like himself last
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week. He should be good to go. Kate Stover played last week,
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he should be good to go. It seems like, outside of probably Lathan
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Ransom, it feels like they're going into this game about as healthy as you
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could sort of hope. Yeah, and one of the you can't lie at
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a charity event, So we have to take my call at his word,
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because if you lie at a charity event, others all of the charity the
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irs is going to come after it. You can't do it. You can't
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write that off. So the one governmental agency that hasn't come after anyone in
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the Big ten this fall. We'll see, but yeah, this is the
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right time you'd be at your healthiest, as healthy as you can be in
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November. That seems to be where the Buckeyes are. I don't even know
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that kam Mkor was even asked about his ankle at this point because there are
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so many other things to talk about and he's been operating just fine with what
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he's been dealing with. So good time for everybody to be as healthy as
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they are, and no mention if Trayvon Henderson, who just continues to be
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strong and look good. Marvin Harrison was asked about going up against Will Johnson,
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then you know that that was a very non bulletin boardy answer. You
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know that those are two guys who were five stars. You know, well,
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actually, Marvin Harrison was not a five star recruit. He's turned into
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a five star player, but it was not a five star recruit. Will
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Johnson, a five star recruit who you know, was like Ohio State was
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in the mix maybe a little bit there, son of a former Michigan player,
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ended up going to Michigan that's a matchup where you don't want to get
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overly simplistic, because you know, he Marvin talked about the fact that only
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one guy has really shadowed him around the field for the whole game, and
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that was Kailing King from Penn State. So it's this is not just purely
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a Will Johnson versus Arvin Harrison doing your game, but when it is,
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that's going to be a prime time matchup. Yeah, that's going to be
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one of the matchups that will be the most fun to watch. I don't
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expect him to shadow Marvin Harrison because they're going to do they'll double and they'll
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bracket him, and so they'll try to protect him that way when he's maybe
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in the slot or away from Will Johnson, I don't expect him to follow
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him around. And it doesn't always go well. It has not gone well.
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Didn't go well for Kaylen King of Penn State. And so they are
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pretty confident in their defensive backs and their safeties. They've got some good safeties,
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but it's just different. It would be maybe against what they've normally done.
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And I haven't watched Mischikan, they haven't played anybody worth shadowing to this
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point. So we don't even know how necessarily they would do it, but
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shoot, if they want it, that would be fun to watch every single
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snap seventy snaps or whatever of Will Johnson against Marvin Harrison, because they're both
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going to win some of those. Yeah. Absolutely, And yeah, I
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mean I think to like David Boston versus Charles Woodson, and you know Charles
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woods and everyone remembers that as the Charles Woodson game, David Boston got one
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too, backed into the end zone holding the football out for Charles Woodson in
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a very subtle and understated Hey you may notice I just got deep on you,
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so class too. Yes, yes, probably would not count as a
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touchdown these days with the rules being enforced as they are. One of the
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things that I think this game could come down to, or you know that
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a lot of people are to thinking this game could come down to, is
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to play of Kyle McCord. If comiccord has a good game, Ohio State
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has pretty good chance. If Kyle McCord turns the ball over, is you
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know, off on his throws, is getting pressure in his face, whatever
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it is, He's maybe not. And there is no one on this team
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that has known Kyle McCord longer than Marvin Harrison Junior. They played together obviously
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in high school. Marvin Harrison doesn't seem to, at least publicly have any
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concerns about Kyle McCord going into a game of this magnitude. Yeah, there's
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nobody I think more confident in Kyle McCord than Marvin Harrison junior. And he's
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seen him for many, many years, and he's studies this guy. He's
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always been, same quarterback, he's always been. We talked to Cam McCord,
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you know, he's a guy that they his teammate say, doesn't get
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nervous, and he certainly didn't seem nervous out here. Talk to him about
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the the JJ McCarthy thing in terms of both being recruited by Ohio State.
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JJ McCarthy grew up being an Ohio State fan. Calm McCord grew up being
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in a Rutgers fan, and so you could just imagine the anger coming from
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the JJ McCarthy side, Like you, you accepted a commitment from a Rutgers
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fan when you could have accepted a commitment from an Ohio State fan. But
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even calm McCord talking about how all of those recruiting stories. He's moved past
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those. You know, once you became a buck guy and McCarthy became a
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wolverine, Like now you're existing on this plane rather than that old plane.
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I'm not sure that JJ McCarthy buys into that completely. But you know,
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I asked ask Kyle, how do you keep from trying to prove your coach
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right? Because he chose you, like, how do you and they didn't
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really want to get into that. It's just like you're just focused on doing
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the best thing you can for your team. Is very quarterback speak, coach
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you speak, but it is I mean, it is an area. It
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is a storyline that is there, Oh yeah, for sure. And that's
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going to be a storyline that whichever team wins. I think that's going to
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be something that probably gets brought up a little bit after that. Okay,
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you know, finally, the twenty twenty one quarterback recruiting battle has been decided
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definitely the biggest, the highest stakes of anything on for this weekend's game.
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Kyle Accord is you know, on he's just had to play on a stage,
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not exactly this stage, but a similar stage earlier in the year at
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Penn State or sorry at Notre Dame, big primetime game, loud, hostile
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atmosphere, did just fine, ended up, you know, not the greatest
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game he's had played all year. He's gotten better throughout the year, but
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got it done in the final minute, made that that really really big throw
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to a mea book and a set up that winning touchdown. He's also someone
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who just you know, every time you talk to him, he's just so
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exactly the same. He is exactly the same before the Youngtound State game or
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on the field of the Young Sound State game as he is on Tuesday interviews
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before the Michigan game, or you know, and we'll see whether he's the
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same on the field at Michigan on Saturday. But he just just feels so
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even keel and you know, you know, you never know if things are
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go on a million miles ago in his head, but outwardly he is just
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the same dude that feels like something that is going to be something it could
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be make an impact on how this goes on Saturday. Well, and it's
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something that the guys have said kyl LC Corny even said it where you're not
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if you're not, you're not nervous, You're not worried because you're prepared,
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you know. So that's I think the preparation. Everybody is prepared for this,
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and I would say they were prepared last year as well. But you
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made some mistakes and some guys who aren't here made some mistakes, and that
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obviously was a huge factor in that game. But the mood, the confidence,
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it's you're right. It's just an even keel thing. That is what
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Mecca Abuka always is every time we talk to him, every time we talked
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to Marvin Harrison, like those two guys are like unflappable in terms of you're
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not going to see like one guy mad and even I'm not gonna talking a
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couple of weeks ago, just the frustration of getting back to being healthy and
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getting back on the field. And you know, he told me like,
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I'm not trying to make up for lost time. I'm just trying to help
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win games. And that's their focus is doing their part, not trying to
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do more than they need to, because once you start doing that, then
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you're interfering with other people's jobs and that's a really good way to screw something
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up. And you know, the focus for Jim Knowles. This year started
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I think at the end of last year's Michigan game, which was, Okay,
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you got to eliminate the big plays, because last year there was sort
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of an acceptance that you're going to give up some big plays if that allows
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you to be as aggressive if you want to on defense. That has not
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really been something we've heard at all during the course of this season. And
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you haven't really seen any big plays against Ohio State's defense this season. There's
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only one play of forty plus yards allowed by Ohio State all year, and
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that was that trick play, that fumble Ruski play on fourth and one against
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Rutgers. That's it. No one has just lined up and said, here's
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what we're going to do and beaten them down the field. That has just
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not happened, and that has been such a focus for him that, you
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know, I think you look at some of the offenses Ohio State has played
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this year, it's like, Okay, they were giving up big plays,
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even some of them last year. So this is not entirely a bad competition
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thing, but it kind of feels like, Okay, Ohio State is through
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virtually all of the semester now, but now here's a test that's going to
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count for about eighty percent of your final grade. So congratulations, And all
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the stuff you did before now you know now is the stuff that actually really
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matters. I would argue it's about ninety seven point five percent of the grade
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in fact. And the way they have limited those big plays, and it's
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not just because they're keeping two safeties back and because they're not necessarily doing that
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at all times. They're just very effective at everything they do. And they
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have not also played any really explosive offenses, which has certainly helped, but
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that hasn't necessarily been a difference in them giving up big plays last year.
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As you said, I mean, go back to the Notre Dame game,
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go back to whichever game you want. You'll find a thirty yard play given
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up. You'll find a forty yard play given up. And you're not seeing
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that almost at all this year, and especially not stuff that is just run
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of the mill course of the game. Stuff like your opponents are really having
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to work hard for something against them, and Michigan is going to scheme some
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stuff up. They always do. Whatever you know they'll have somehow how did
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that tight end get opened? Twenty five yards down the field, just running
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across the middle of the field. I know there are enough defenders on the
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field to cover everybody. How did that happen? So there's going to be
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things that are schemed up. What this defense has also done well is they
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limit a twenty yard or to twenty two yards, like, they don't let
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it go beyond thirty. They don't don't let it go beyond forty. There's
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somebody there to make plays, and they're solid and making tackles. They weren't
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as solid last year when in this game, missed tackles led to big games
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gains as well. Yeah, there was that one that was just it was
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what a third down or a fourth down and it just a little throw over
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to the sideline. It was one miss tackle and that turned what would have
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been a you know, three or five yard gain into a sixty yard gain.
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And you know, can't that that can't happen this weekend. Something else
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that can't happen this weekend discipline issues. That's something that Ohio State and Michigan
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are both I think probably a little bit concerned about. There may be a
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little bit of adrenaline flowing for this one maybe maybe even more than a typical
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year of the Ohio State Michigan rivalry. And you know, I think you
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have to look at that in terms of number one, not having you know,
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being the second guy who takes a swing and who responds and who gets
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who gets called. You saw that a little bit last year during at Michigan
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game. And also you know in the tunnel. We have seen issues in
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the tunnel at Michigan Stadium over the years, and there is only if you
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have not been there. There's only one tunnel where both teams come out.
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So that means there are times during pre game warm ups or teams or passing
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guys are passing each other in the tunnel. As you go up the tunnel
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from the field, the house, that locker room is going to be on
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your left, the Michigan locker rooms on your right. But it's all the
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way at the top of the tunnel. It's basically at ground level. Michigan
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stadiums dug way way down into the ground, so it is a long walk
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up the tunnel. I'm sure they will have some kind of divider between the
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two sides of the tunnel put it is, it's just it's not that big.
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It's it's like no, I mean at the bottom it's maybe eight to
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ten feet wide maybe, and further up it's maybe fifteen feet wide. There's
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not a lot of room. It just feels like you're going to have something
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is going to happen, and it's just a matter of does your team stay
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more disciplined and more responsible than the other team and avoid having that become a
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bigger issue on the field. You said earlier, don't be the second man
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in Are you suggesting taking the first punch? When am I not suggesting that
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to be the guy to take the first swing? And then but that there
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is always something going on, and again they are talking like there are people
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like the talking is going on in the tunnel even if there's no shoving or
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anything. Ryan Day did say today that they have a plan in place to
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deal with the tunnel. And I don't know, as this a kindergarten,
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single file, shoulder against the wall, don't go past the yellow line.
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Are they gonna put some tape down down It's like, do not step outside
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of this line, eyes forward. Then he's gonna like walk through the hallway
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like this, and they got his two fingers up like quiet everybody, and
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that's you might need to do something like that, especially outside of the tunnel
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where there might be more cameras to see if anything goes on. But we
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remember whatever we was two thousand and thirteen with like Grant Schwartz, that's just
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a I don't know if it's thirteen or not, but those sorts of things
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where some shoving goes on, and it would be odd if there wasn't something
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like that, some sort of barking at midfield. Downtree Wilson in twenty and
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thirteen as well, maybe maybe maybe don't follow all of those two was markall
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was also in twenty thirteen. Yes, yes, yeah, And the problem
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is you're, you know, you're being encouraged not to do this. And
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then during the cold open for the game on Saturday on the broadcast, I
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will pretty much guarantee you you will see Grant Schwartz and then Michigan players shoving
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each other in the tunnel. He's the guy in the like white long sleeve,
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like dry fit. Yeah, that's probably earlier than that, but you're
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gonna see a lot of you know, there's always David Boston and Charles Woodson
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and grabbing each other's face masks and that kind of stuff. I mean,
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you're gonna see that stuff on the broadcast and it's like, okay, so
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you know the thing that you've seen on this game all you know every year
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you watch it in the wood in the woody, Yes, don't do that,
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don't don't don't don't do that. Don't do the highlight videos. Yes,
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don't do the things that get you on the highlight videos in the bad
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way. I guess we should touch on Ryan Day. He was asked about,
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you know, respect for USI can coach Jim Harball and his staff.
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Jim Harball was asked on Monday about that and answered an entirely different question,
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which, you know, even though he didn't answer the question, that kind
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of answered the question. What did What did Ryan Day have to say?
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Did he talk about respecting the rivalry more than because he was asked about,
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well, the question may have been respecting the rivalry and their coaching staff,
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and then he decided to answer the rivalry aspect of it and didn't get into
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the coaching aspect of it. Now, the players were asked about respecting the
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team the players and they all did. They said yes, although Denzel Burke
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had to, like, you know, think about his answer, and then
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he said, yeah, of course, look at his look at his ww
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JG. What would Jerry do? Yes, yes, yeah, but it
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is fascinating to watch both coaches answer that question, and it is clear could
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not be. You don't even need to answer the questions for us to know
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exactly how you guys feel about each other, like this is this is exactly.
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This is better than Bowen Woody in a sense because Bowen Woody loved each
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other. Yes, these two I don't think they care for each other.
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I was gonna say they hate each other. That's a little strong, but
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it might be strong, is it? I don't know that. You gotta
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remember bowen Woody. After Woody retired, Uh well I'm retired. Sorry After
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what after Woody voluntarily punched out from Ohio State. Uh the they had a
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roast of Woody Hayes and I believe be sham Beckler m seed It or you
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know, came down and spoke like if there is a roast of Jim Harbaugh
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or Ryan Day, you know, ten years from now. I don't get
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the don't get the sense that either of them are going to be sitting up
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there on the dais and laughing along with the jokes. Well, I think
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I think Ryan Day would be just fine roasting Jim Harbaugh. I will host,
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you know, he would host that roast and like he would be like,
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I don't need anybody else on this days. Now, you guys can
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all go home. I'm going to be up here for like ninety minutes with
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material. So you're suggesting that he would be the host of the roast with
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the most I don't do boast, but toast. All right, listen,
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we're getting we're wrapping it up, so let's start to coast towards the end
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of the season the show, gotcha. We have spent the last two days.
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We were upping in our bor on Monday, down in Columbus on Tuesday.
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We have heard and talked to both head coaches, the defensive corner from
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Ohio State, the offensive coordinator slash acting head coach for Michigan, players from
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each side of the rivalry and offensive defense. Do you have any kind of
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a difference? And sometimes we walk out of these interviews and it's either like,
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oh that was flat or oh that was really more intense than I expected.
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Do you have anything that you walked out of here with you know,
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there's a lot of interesting stuff, but has your view on the game,
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the conversation around the game, has that changed in any meaningful way over the
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last two days. Non, I don't think so. You know, I
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think we saw happy Warriors again up north. They were in good moods.
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Players here were I think focused, Like not that Michigan is not focused.
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Mike Saynerssell certainly seemed incredibly focused. Jim Knowles was a different Jim Noles than
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last week when he was happy, go lucky, But that was also a
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different Jim Knowles, Like there was more Jim Knowles that was Jim Knowles to
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eleven or twelve. This one he's a little more subdued. But still,
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I don't think anything I've seen today this is exactly exactly I think what you
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would want to see from Ryan Day in terms of, you know, he
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had answers, he was I guess I just keep going back to focus because
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that's what everybody is doing right now, and it's we're like interfering in that
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time, like, hey, I know it's kind of a big week,
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Yeah, we need you for like twenty five minutes. And he's like Okay,
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what Yeah, this feels like a week where you have to be reminded
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to eat food and sleep and that kind of stuff. And you know,
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I mean Blake Korn was asked about, you know, how do you not
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allow this to impact your sleep and not get too amped up at bedtime where
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you're thinking, you know, your mind is just going in and you're not
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sleeping because you have to take carec yourself. You can't go into this with
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you know, a bunch of three hour nights of sleep. And I've only
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eaten two meals all week because I've just been grinding film all this time.
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I think they probably are doing a good job, like they have people to
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keep them on track, but this is a week where you might need people
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to sort of keep you on track. Yeah, for sure, And there
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are a lot of people around to do that. These are both gigantic staffs
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and everything is very regimented. So in terms of forgetting to eat meals,
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you probably aren't allowed to because they like the nutrition is to be like,
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why does blake Korm have three meals still sitting here? You need to catch
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up. I'm going to watch you eat all of these hamburgers, not Hamburgers.
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Why not Hamburgers. I don't get it. Wait, nope, I
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got it. So we're going to be back a little later on tonight.
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We sorry, We will apologize. This is a little bit of a shorter
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show. The interviews ran a little long, and the heart out at the
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end of this is a little harder than normal this week due to gestures vaguely
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at everything. By the way, if you're wondering why we're standing in front
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of what looks like the hotel elevator from the shining, that is just a
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red curtain that got pulled across the field because they divided the field. It's
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all a little different this week. There are a bunch of red coats,
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like stadium red coats. And even though I have to say a police officer
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out in the lobby and in the hallways of the Woody Hayes Athletic Center today
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and you can, you know, you can always tell when it's Michigan Week
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because everything's just a little bit different. Yeah, even the setup and on
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the endoor, as you said, with the tables being different, like there's
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just something different about it and the time frames, the mood, the atmosphere
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I think is the thing that you can tell from everybody. And as we
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always say, it's the best week of the year. There's nothing like it.
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It is and we will be back a little later on tonight with another
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live episode that'll happen at seven our YouTube chet dot com slash Buckeye Huddle as
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we watch the college football playoff rankings reveal in what will be the not the
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penultimate well, it's the penultimate rankings reveal. I guess next week will be
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the final rankings reveal, and then the actual rankings, the only one that
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really matter, coming out the Sunday after that. We have been told we
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have three minutes left, so we're gonna wrap it up right now. Make
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sure you find us at Buckeye Huddle dot com. If you want to support
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us and the work we do, that's a great place to do it.
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You can also find us on your podcast platform of choice. Kevin does the
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us say five star rating interview and Finally, YouTube dot com slash Bucky Huddle,
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Boy, is there going to be a lot of content coming at your
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face this week directly from YouTube dot com slash Buckeye Uddle. Plenty more interviews
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with all sorts of high state players, Michigan players, high state coaches,
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Michigan coaches. All that stuff coming at you, plus lots of insight analysis.
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Be talking to Ross Fulton breaking down some of the schematic stuff on the
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next couple episodes of Buckeye tomorrow morning. That is all still to come this
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week, so make sure you join us there, and then of course we'll
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be up in ann Arbor or up in Michigan later on in the week doing
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all of the usual live Friday night, Live Saturday stuff at YouTube dot com
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slash Buckeye Huddle. That will do it for right now for today. Thank
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you guys all for joining us. Have a great day. We'll talk to you tomorrow