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Monsters and Malice: Exploring the Shadows of True Crime · Murder Files Unsealed

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  Speaker 1: Is there such a thing as a bad seed? When
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  Speaker 1: a baby is born, is he already a serial killer,
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  Speaker 1: already made, or is he created?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that is, it's just an incredibly chilling piece of
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  Speaker 2: self-reflection from the source of, well, so much pain.
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  Speaker 1: Right, that's a direct quote from Richard Ramirez.
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  Speaker 2: And it really is the central axis of everything we
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  Speaker 2: are looking at today. I mean, the whole nature versus
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  Speaker 2: nurture debate, but taken to its absolute darkest extremes.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. And welcome to the Deep Dive, everyone. We are
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  Speaker 1: taking a massive journey today, and it's custom-tailored for your
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  Speaker 1: curiosity about the darker corners of human psychology, true crime,
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  Speaker 1: and really the making of a monster.
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  Speaker 2: We have a lot to unpack.
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  Speaker 1: We really do. We are working off this fascinating stack
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  Speaker 1: of sources from the publication Horror Obsessive. They did these
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  Speaker 1: two incredibly detailed true crime retrospectives. Right.
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  Speaker 2: And they cover two very different eras.
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  Speaker 1: One pulls us into the chaotic neon drenched terror of
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  Speaker 1: 1980s Los Angeles with the Night Stalker, Richard Ramirez. And
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  Speaker 1: the other pulls us way, way back to the post-war
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  Speaker 1: 1940s to examine the lonely hearts killers, Raymond Fernandez and
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  Speaker 1: Martha Beck.
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  Speaker 2: And our mission today isn't just to recount the timelines.
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  Speaker 1: No. If you're listening to this, you likely already know
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  Speaker 1: the broad strokes of these cases anyway. Exactly.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. What we are doing today is synthesizing them. We
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  Speaker 2: really want to analyze the deeply rooted psychology behind these crimes.
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  Speaker 1: And we want to dissect the staggering institutional blunders made
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  Speaker 1: in tracking them down, right? Plus, we need to interrogate
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  Speaker 1: how our media consumes and regurgitates these tragedies as entertainment.
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  Speaker 2: Putting these two specific cases side by side, it reveals undeniable,
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  Speaker 2: tragic thematic links that you might not notice in isolation.
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  Speaker 1: Like what, specifically?
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  Speaker 2: Well, we're looking at the catastrophic intersection of severe childhood
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  Speaker 2: trauma and traumatic brain injuries. We're looking at systemic failures
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  Speaker 2: in law enforcement.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, massive failures.
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  Speaker 2: Right. And perhaps most unsettling of all, we're looking at
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  Speaker 2: a bizarre cultural phenomenon that consistently transforms literal monsters into, like,
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  Speaker 2: warped celebrities.
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  Speaker 1: So disturbing. So let's start with the 1940s. We are
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  Speaker 1: looking at the era of the lonely hearts columns.
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  Speaker 2: The vintage dating apps.
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  Speaker 1: Basically, yeah. We all know the trope, the vintage newspaper
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  Speaker 1: ads where lonely people would write in, hoping to find
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  Speaker 1: a companion through the mail. But I really want to
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  Speaker 1: talk about the psychological vulnerability required to participate in that
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  Speaker 1: system in the late 1940s.
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  Speaker 2: You really have to consider the sociological landscape of a
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  Speaker 2: post-World War II America here.
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  Speaker 1: Right, because it was a very specific time.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. You had a massive population of widows, women who
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  Speaker 2: had lost fiancées, and individuals who had just been displaced
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  Speaker 2: or socially isolated by a global conflict.
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  Speaker 1: So it wasn't just a fun little hobby.
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  Speaker 2: No, not at all. Writing a letter to a stranger
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  Speaker 2: in a newspaper wasn't just a quirky way to date.
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  Speaker 2: For many, it was an act of absolute desperation.
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  Speaker 1: I can imagine.
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  Speaker 2: It requires so much trust. It required an immense amount
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  Speaker 2: of blind trust to invite a totally faceless voice from
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  Speaker 2: a newspaper into your life. And that inherent trust created, well,
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  Speaker 2: a perfectly camouflaged hunting ground for a predator.
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  Speaker 1: Which brings us to the unlikely groom of this lethal partnership,
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  Speaker 1: Raymond Fernandez. Right. Born in Hawaii in 1914, Spanish descent.
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  Speaker 1: He moved to Spain as an adult, serves as a
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  Speaker 1: Spanish merchant marine. And the sources even note he reportedly
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  Speaker 1: worked for British intelligence during World War II.
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  Speaker 2: He had a whole life.
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  Speaker 1: He did. He had a wife. He had kids in Spain.
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  Speaker 1: If you trace his trajectory up to a certain point,
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  Speaker 1: it reads like a standard, if slightly adventurous, mid-century life.
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  Speaker 1: But then we hit the literal impact.
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  Speaker 2: The traumatic brain injury. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: He is on a ship traveling to the U.S. from Spain,
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  Speaker 1: and a massive steel hatch falls directly onto the top
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  Speaker 1: of his skull.
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  Speaker 2: Just a horrific accident.
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  Speaker 1: The injury is severe. He spends a significant amount of
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  Speaker 1: time in the hospital. And the sources draw a direct
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  Speaker 1: parallel here to the famous Phineas Gage case.
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  Speaker 2: Which makes perfect medical sense.
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  Speaker 1: People close to Fernandez said the man who woke up
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  Speaker 1: in that hospital... was fundamentally not the same man who
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  Speaker 1: was injured.
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  Speaker 2: We really need to explain the mechanics of why that happens,
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  Speaker 2: specifically regarding frontal lobe damage.
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  Speaker 1: What does the frontal lobe actually do?
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  Speaker 2: So the frontal lobe is essentially the brain's braking system.
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  Speaker 2: It governs executive function, impulse control, empathy, and the ability
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  Speaker 2: to foresee long-term consequences.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: When a steel hatch crushes that specific part of the
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  Speaker 2: anatomy— The neural pathways that say, don't do this, it's wrong,
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  Speaker 2: or you'll get caught, are physically severed.
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  Speaker 1: So the desires are still there, but the brakes are gone.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. The impulses remain, but the biological mechanism required to
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  Speaker 2: regulate them is just gone.
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  Speaker 1: So it's not that a head injury inserts evil into
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  Speaker 1: a person.
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  Speaker 2: No, not at all.
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  Speaker 1: It's that it removes the biological guardrails that keep our
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  Speaker 1: darker impulses in check.
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  Speaker 2: Precisely. And in Fernandez's case, the immediate aftermath is a
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  Speaker 2: total collapse of social conformity.
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  Speaker 1: He just starts stealing clothes.
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  Speaker 2: Right. It's not even a sophisticated crime.
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  Speaker 1: It's erratic, bizarre, petty theft.
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  Speaker 2: He gets caught and serves a year in prison. And
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  Speaker 2: this is where the damaged brain latches onto a new
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  Speaker 2: operating system.
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  Speaker 1: A very dangerous one. While locked up, another inmate introduces
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  Speaker 1: him to voodoo. And Fernandez walks out of that prison
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  Speaker 1: genuinely believing... that voodoo rituals, specifically using talismans like a
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  Speaker 1: lock of hair, give him this supernatural, irresistible power over women.
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  Speaker 2: You really have to look at the psychology of that shift.
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  Speaker 2: A traumatic brain injury often leaves a person feeling profoundly
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  Speaker 2: out of control of their own mind and body.
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  Speaker 1: They don't recognize themselves. Right.
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  Speaker 2: So voodoo, or rather his warped interpretation of it, provided
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  Speaker 2: him with a delusional locus of control.
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  Speaker 1: They gave him power back.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. Exactly. he developed a literal God complex. He decided
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  Speaker 2: to monetize this delusion by targeting women through the Lonely
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  Speaker 2: Hearts ads, assuming, quite correctly, that single women with established
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  Speaker 2: careers or inheritances would have savings he could drain.
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  Speaker 1: And before our main story even starts, he merges a
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  Speaker 1: woman named Jane Thompson.
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  Speaker 2: It's wild that this is just a prologue.
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  Speaker 1: I know. He takes her on a cruise to Spain,
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  Speaker 1: manipulates her into changing her will to leave him absolutely everything,
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  Speaker 1: And then she mysteriously dies.
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  Speaker 2: And he just skates by.
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  Speaker 1: He claims it was a heart attack. Her mother claims
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  Speaker 1: it was a train accident. But no autopsy is ever done.
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  Speaker 1: He gets away with it completely. And then he turns
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  Speaker 1: his attention to a woman in Florida. Martha Beck.
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  Speaker 2: Now, to understand Martha Beck is to understand how extreme
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  Speaker 2: trauma shapes absolute vulnerability.
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  Speaker 1: The sources outline an absolute gauntlet of suffering. Born in
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  Speaker 1: Florida in 1920. She was severely overweight and bullied relentlessly.
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  Speaker 2: But the real damage was at home.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the core fracture happens there.
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  Speaker 2: She reported that she was molested by her own brother.
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  Speaker 2: And when she finally gathered the courage to tell her mother,
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  Speaker 2: her mother's response was to beat Martha.
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  Speaker 1: That is the crucial psychological turning point for her.
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  Speaker 2: That is the crucial psychological turning point for her.
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  Speaker 1: How so?
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  Speaker 2: When your primary caregiver, the person biologically programmed to protect you,
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  Speaker 2: punishes you for seeking safety from sexual violence, it fundamentally
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  Speaker 2: shatters your attachment style.
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  Speaker 1: It just completely breaks trust. Right.
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  Speaker 2: It teaches the developing brain that love, pain, and betrayal
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  Speaker 2: are inextricably linked and that you are inherently unworthy of protection.
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  Speaker 1: Which explains so much of her later behavior. She escapes
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  Speaker 1: the second she can. She goes to California, earns a
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  Speaker 1: nursing degree, works at a military base.
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  Speaker 2: She tries to build a life.
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  Speaker 1: She does. She gets pregnant by an officer, and when
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  Speaker 1: she tells him, he commits suicide.
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  Speaker 2: Just imagine the catastrophic reinforcement of her childhood trauma there.
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  Speaker 1: It's unthinkable.
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  Speaker 2: She seeks connection, she creates life, and the response is
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  Speaker 2: the ultimate, most violent form of abandonment.
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  Speaker 1: So she moves back to Florida, and she creates a
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  Speaker 1: fiction that the father died in battle just to avoid
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  Speaker 1: the intense social stigma of being an unwed mother in
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  Speaker 1: the 1940s.
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  Speaker 2: Which was a massive stigma back then.
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  Speaker 1: Huge. Huge. Then she gets pregnant again by another man
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  Speaker 1: who marries her but divorces her six months later. And
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  Speaker 1: throughout all of this, her coping mechanism is romance novels.
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  Speaker 2: Pure escapism.
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  Speaker 1: She is completely absorbed in these fictional, idealized narratives of
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  Speaker 1: men sweeping women off their feet. He is practically a
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  Speaker 1: template for victimization by a con man.
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  Speaker 2: She was absolutely desperate for the fictional reality she was
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  Speaker 2: reading about to materialize, you know? Which made her incredibly
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  Speaker 2: susceptible to someone who knew exactly how to play the
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  Speaker 2: role of the tragic, passionate hero.
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  Speaker 1: So we arrive at December 1947. They've been corresponding. Fernandez
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  Speaker 1: asks her to mail him a lock of her hair.
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  Speaker 2: And they view this entirely differently.
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  Speaker 1: Completely. To Martha, heavily influenced by romance novels, this is
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  Speaker 1: a deeply poetic, intimate gesture. To Fernandez, it's a necessary
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  Speaker 1: component for his voodoo ritual to bind her will to his.
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  Speaker 2: He literally thinks it's magic.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. He travels to Florida to meet her, but Martha
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  Speaker 1: omitted a massive detail in her letters. She has two children.
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  Speaker 2: A huge roadblock for a con man. Right.
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  Speaker 1: When Fernandez arrives and realizes she's a mother with zero
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  Speaker 1: financial assets, his con man calculus just kicks in. He
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  Speaker 1: tries to end the date early and leave.
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  Speaker 2: The grift didn't work. She had no money to steal,
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  Speaker 2: so he wanted out.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. But Martha's abandonment wound is so deeply triggered by
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  Speaker 1: his attempt to leave that she panics. She literally threatens
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  Speaker 1: suicide if he walks out the door.
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  Speaker 2: And this is the pivot point.
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  Speaker 1: And here is where I get caught up. Why on
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  Speaker 1: earth does he stay? He's a predator looking for a payday.
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  Speaker 1: She is a broke single mother threatening self-harm. What does
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  Speaker 1: he get out of staying?
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  Speaker 2: He gets absolute unquestioning worship. This is where we see
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  Speaker 2: the formation of a folia de, a shared psychosis.
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  Speaker 1: A shared delusion. Right.
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  Speaker 2: Fernandez went looking for a wealthy victim to exploit financially,
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  Speaker 2: but his damaged frontal lobe and his voodoo delusions demanded validation.
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  Speaker 1: So she validated him?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, completely. Martha's terrifying desperation, her willingness to die if
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  Speaker 2: he left, fed his god complex perfectly. He thought his
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  Speaker 2: voodoo worked too well, Her psychological brokenness locked perfectly into
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  Speaker 2: his neurological brokenness.
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  Speaker 1: It's like a twisted puzzle piece. And to prove her devotion,
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  Speaker 1: she commits an act that is almost impossible to comprehend.
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  Speaker 2: It really is.
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  Speaker 1: She gets fired from her job, packs up her kids,
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  Speaker 1: follows him to New York, and then abandons her two
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  Speaker 1: young children at a local Salvation Army. She just walks
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  Speaker 1: away from them to be with a man she barely knows.
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  Speaker 2: It is a horrifying violation of maternal instinct.
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  Speaker 1: How does she even justify that?
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  Speaker 2: Well, within the warped architecture of their shared delusion, the
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  Speaker 2: romance novel fantasy required a grand sacrifice. She chose the
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  Speaker 2: fantasy of the ultimate lover over the reality of her children.
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  Speaker 1: And from that moment, they are bonded in a way
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  Speaker 1: that makes them both infinitely more dangerous than they were alone.
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  Speaker 2: They feed off each other.
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  Speaker 1: They set up this grift. They travel the country posing
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  Speaker 1: as brother and sister. Fernandez plays the eligible, cultured bachelor
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  Speaker 1: romancing widows. Martha plays the intensely watchful, protective sister.
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  Speaker 2: A very organized operation.
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  Speaker 1: It is. But Martha dictates one cardinal rule for the
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  Speaker 1: entire operation. Fernandez can romance these women, he can steal
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  Speaker 1: their money, but he is absolutely forbidden from having sex
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  Speaker 1: with them.
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  Speaker 2: Which tells us so much about the hierarchy of her pathology.
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  Speaker 1: Wait, walk me through that. If she knows he's going
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  Speaker 1: to rob these women, And eventually kill them. Why is
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  Speaker 1: sexual fidelity the line in the sand?
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  Speaker 2: Because to Martha, the morality of theft or even murder
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  Speaker 2: is completely irrelevant compared to the threat of abandonment.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, wow.
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  Speaker 2: In her mind, as long as he is only physically
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  Speaker 2: intimate with her, she retains possession of him. The other
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  Speaker 2: women are just props in their shared financial enterprise.
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  Speaker 1: So sex is the only real betrayal.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly.
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  Speaker 2: Sex represents genuine emotional defection. Her jealousy wasn't about right
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  Speaker 2: or wrong. You know, it was purely about control and survival.
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  Speaker 1: And that jealousy is the tripwire. In 1948, Fernandez marries
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  Speaker 1: a victim, Myrtle Young, to get her assets. Martha, playing
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  Speaker 1: the sister-in-law, refuses to leave the newlyweds alone for a
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  Speaker 1: single second.
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  Speaker 2: She couldn't handle it.
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  Speaker 1: Her suffocating presence causes constant conflict. To quiet Myrtle down,
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  Speaker 1: Fernandez heavily drugs her with pills. They load her unconscious
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  Speaker 1: body onto a bus to Arkansas, and she dies from
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  Speaker 1: the overdose six days later.
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  Speaker 2: You really need to notice the mechanics of that first murder.
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  Speaker 1: It's very hands-off.
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  Speaker 2: It is passive. It is cowardly. They drug her and
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  Speaker 2: physically remove her from their presence so they don't have
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  Speaker 2: to watch her die. It's an escalation from conning, but
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  Speaker 2: it still maintains a thick layer of psychological distance.
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  Speaker 1: But that distance just completely evaporates in January 1949. The
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  Speaker 1: victim is 66-year-old Janet Fay in New York.
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  Speaker 2: And he breaks the rule.
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  Speaker 1: Fernandez breaks the cardinal rule. Martha catches them in bed together.
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  Speaker 1: And the violence that follows is so intimate and brutal.
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  Speaker 1: Martha attacks Janet Faye with a ball-peen hammer, bludgeoning her.
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  Speaker 2: Just a horrific explosion of rage.
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  Speaker 1: Fernandez finishes it by strangling the woman. They stuff her
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  Speaker 1: body in a trunk, transport it to Fernandez's actual sister's house,
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  Speaker 1: and bury her in cement in the basement. Then they
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  Speaker 1: drain her bank accounts and forge letters to her family
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  Speaker 1: saying she's happily eloped.
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  Speaker 2: The shift from putting a drugged woman on a bus
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  Speaker 2: to actively bludgeoning a 66-year-old woman with a hammer, it
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  Speaker 2: shows the rapid decay of whatever restraint Fernandez's damaged brain
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  Speaker 2: had left.
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  Speaker 1: And the explosive lethality of Martha's jealousy.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. Violence has now become their primary tool for conflict resolution.
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  Speaker 1: And it culminates in sheer horror in late February 1949
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  Speaker 1: in Michigan. They target a 41-year-old widow named Delphine Downing,
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  Speaker 1: who has a two-year-old daughter named Raynell.
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  Speaker 2: This part is just gut-wrenching.
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  Speaker 1: They are staying in Delphine's home. Delphine starts getting suspicious.
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  Speaker 1: The brother and sister dynamic is weird. They are acting erratic.
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  Speaker 1: And she threatens to call the police.
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  Speaker 2: Which forces their hand.
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  Speaker 1: Fernandez resorts to his go-to move. He spikes her drink
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  Speaker 1: with sleeping pills. But while Delphine is unconscious, the two-year-old
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  Speaker 1: Raynell starts crying.
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  Speaker 2: Because a crying toddler is a chaotic variable. You can't
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  Speaker 2: charm a two-year-old, and you can't forge a letter to
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  Speaker 2: make them go away.
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  Speaker 1: Martha's solution is to choke the toddler. She strangles the
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  Speaker 1: child into unconsciousness, but the girl actually survives. However, Martha
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  Speaker 1: leaves stark, violent red bruising all over the baby's neck.
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  Speaker 2: A massive mistake.
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  Speaker 1: They realize instantly that the second Delphine wakes up and
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  Speaker 1: sees those marks on her child, she will go straight
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  Speaker 1: to the police. So Fernandez shoots Delphine in the head
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  Speaker 1: while she sleeps.
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  Speaker 2: The cold calculation of that moment is staggering. The grift
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  Speaker 2: has completely collapsed into pure survival mode at this point.
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  Speaker 1: They bury Delphine in the basement. But they keep the
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  Speaker 1: two-year-old toddler alive in the house for several days.
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  Speaker 2: I can't even fathom that.
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  Speaker 1: I want you to imagine the psychological state of keeping
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  Speaker 1: the child of the woman you just murdered alive in
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  Speaker 1: the home. Eventually, they decide they can't take her with them.
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  Speaker 1: So they drown the two-year-old in a basin of water
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  Speaker 1: and bury her next to her mother.
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  Speaker 2: It is an unimaginable escalation of cruelty. And it highlights
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  Speaker 2: the terrifying trajectory of a folie a deux.
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  Speaker 1: How does it highlight that?
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  Speaker 2: Because what starts as a shared fantasy inevitably requires more
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  Speaker 2: and more extreme actions to sustain itself against reality. Reality
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  Speaker 2: is always trying to intrude.
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  Speaker 1: And reality does catch up. Neighbors notice the sudden disappearance
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  Speaker 1: of Delphine. and the strange behavior of the guests in
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  Speaker 1: her home. They call the police for a welfare check.
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  Speaker 2: Thank goodness for the neighbors.
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  Speaker 1: The police arrive, notice freshly turned earth in the basement,
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  Speaker 1: and find the bodies. Fernandez and Beck are arrested. And
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: here is where Fernandez's brain damage really shows its hand.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, this is fascinating.
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  Speaker 1: Believing he is a master manipulator, he immediately confesses to
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  Speaker 1: the Michigan murders, and then just starts bragging. He confesses
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  Speaker 1: to up to 17 murders across the country.
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  Speaker 2: He thought he was playing the system. Right.
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  Speaker 1: He knew Michigan did not have the death penalty. He
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  Speaker 1: calculated that by confessing to everything there, he would be
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  Speaker 1: locked up in Michigan and avoid execution.
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  Speaker 2: It is a catastrophic miscalculation.
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  Speaker 1: His lack of executive function blinded him to the broader
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  Speaker 1: jurisdictional reality.
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: He didn't think about the other states. No. He confessed
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: to crimes that crossed state lines, completely failing to anticipate
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: that other states would simply request extradition.
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: Specifically, New York. The police tied them to the murder
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: of Janet Fay, whose body is still entombed in cement
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: in New York. And New York very much had the
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: electric chair.
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: They definitely did.
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: They were extradited, tried, and sentenced to death. Their executions
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: took place at Sing Sing on March 8, 1951. The
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: source material details their final hours, and it reads like
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: a surreal tragicomedy. Raymond Fernandez eats an onion omelet, french fries, chocolate,
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: and smokes a Cuban cigar. As he is walking to
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: the electric chair, his final statement is, I want to
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: shout it out, I love Martha. What do the public
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: know about love?
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: The delusion remained utterly intact until the final surge of electricity.
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: And Martha ate fried chicken, fries, and a salad. Her
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: final statement was purely for the romance novel audience in
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: her head. She said, I am a woman who had
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: a great love and always will have it. Imprisonment in
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: the death house has only strengthened my feeling for Raymond.
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: You really have to step back and look at the
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: sheer scale of the cognitive dissonance here.
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: It's massive.
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: They brutally murdered up to 20 women. They stole, they conned,
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: they bludgeoned, they drowned an infant. Yet they went to
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: the execution chamber genuinely believing they were the tragic, misunderstood
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: martyrs of an epic love story, the fantasy was more
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: real to them than the blood on their hands.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: That is the anatomy of an organized, codependent, financially motivated
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: killing spree. But now, we are going to pivot sharply.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: A very dark pivot.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: We're moving from the structured grift of the 40s to
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: the chaotic, terrifyingly random and solitary violence of 1980s Los Angeles.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: If Fernandez and Beck were hunting in a specific... fenced-in reserve,
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: Richard Ramirez was a force of nature tearing through a
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: city with absolute paralyzing unpredictability.
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: The transition from analyzing the Lonely Hearts killers to the
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: Night Stalker requires a real shift in how we understand
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: predatory behavior.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: We are moving from methodical manipulation to disorganized thrill-killing.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: Let's look at the cultivation of this monster. He was
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: born Ricardo Leyva Munoz Ramirez on February 29th, 1960. The
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: source material immediately points out a massive flashing parallel to
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: Raymond Fernandez, severe early head trauma.
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: The traumatic brain injury again.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: When Ramirez was two years old, a dresser fell on him,
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: requiring 30 stitches to his head. At age six, he
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: was knocked unconscious at a playground and when a swing
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: hit him directly in the head, resulting in epilepsy and
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: seizures well into his teenage years.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: So we are looking at the exact same neurological vulnerability here.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: The frontal lobe is battered during its most critical developmental window.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: So it's even worse than Fernandez.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: Right, because while Fernandez's injury happened to an adult with
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: a fully formed personality, Ramirez's brain was damaged while he
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: was still a young child.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: And a child living in a nightmare. His father, a
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: former Ciudad Juarez police officer turned laborer, was violently abusive.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: The sources specifically note that his father would literally tie
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: young Richard to a cross in a cemetery to punish him.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: If you want to understand why Ramirez later weaponized religious
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: imagery to terrorize his victims, you have to look at
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: how religion was weaponized against him as a child.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: It makes terrible sense.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: He was being taught that authority, spirituality, and physical torture
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: were indistinguishable.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: But the true catalyst, the mentor of his violence, was
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: his older cousin Mike. Miguel Mike Ramirez was a Green Beret,
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: a Vietnam veteran. The sources detail how Mike would sit
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: with young Richard, who looked up to him immensely, and
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: show him Polaroid pictures of Vietnamese women he had raped, tortured,
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: and murdered while deployed.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: Just feeding him this horror.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: He would boast about these war crimes to a neurologically damaged,
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: physically abused pre-teen.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: That is the active cultivation of a predator. Cousin Mike
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: didn't just normalize extreme violence, he sexualized it and framed
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: it as a mechanism of ultimate power and masculine dominance.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: So he gave him a twisted roadmap.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: Exactly. For a powerless, abused kid with poor impulse control,
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: Mike was offering a blueprint for how to take control
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: back from a world that hurt him.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: And Mike wasn't just telling stories. On May 4th, 1973,
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: when Richard was 13 years old, Mike shot his own wife, Jessie,
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: in the face during an argument.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: Right in front of him.
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: Richard was present during the aftermath. He saw the blood.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: He saw the reality of murder right in his own family.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: The boundary between fantasy and reality was completely obliterated for him.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: Violence was no longer just in Polaroids from a distant war.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: It was the reality of his living room.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: The escalation is almost predictable from that point. He drops
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: out of high school in the ninth grade. He starts
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: breaking into homes. He's known locally as Five-Finger Richie. He's
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: a peeping Tom.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: Testing the waters.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: He works at a Holiday Inn where he attempts to
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: rape a woman, but the charges are dropped. Then we
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: hit April 10, 1984. The brutal murder of May Lung.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: She was a nine-year-old girl. She was beaten, raped, stabbed
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: to death, and hung from a pipe in the basement
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: of a residential hotel.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: Terrific.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: And for decades, the police had no idea this was Ramirez.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: It was only linked to him via DNA in 2009.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: It was a horrifying proving ground for him. He was
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: testing his boundaries, moving from voyeurism and burglary to the
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: ultimate exertion of power, torture and murder.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: And this launches a reign of terror that absolutely paralyzed
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: Los Angeles. The source material emphasizes how difficult Ramirez was
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: to catch. It really comes down to his victimology.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: Or lack thereof.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: Right. We just talked about Fernandez. who had a very
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: specific type, middle-aged, lonely widows with bank accounts. Ramirez had
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: zero pattern. You couldn't tell the public, if you fit
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: this description, be careful.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: From a profiling perspective, the absence of a pattern is
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: the most terrifying scenario for law enforcement. His victims were
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: men and women. They were in their 80s. They were children.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: They were teenagers.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: Anyone was a target.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: Exactly. They were Asian, white, Hispanic. He struck in wealthy
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: neighborhoods and poor neighborhoods.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: He didn't even have a preferred weapon. In true crime,
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: you usually hear about the signature weapon. Ramirez used hammers,
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: tire irons, machetes, knives, a. 22 caliber handgun, a. 25 automatic.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: It was pure, unadulterated chaos.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: But if we look closer, the chaos was the signature.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: What do you mean?
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: Well, he wasn't killing for money. He wasn't targeting a
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: specific demographic because of a localized grievance. He was breaking
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: into homes specifically to experience the godlike rush of absolute
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: dominion over another human being's life and death. The unpredictability
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: was the source of his power.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: Let me give you an example from the sources that
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: perfectly illustrates this terrifying randomness. March 17th, 1985. A factory
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: worker named Esther Petchart is in a thrift store. She
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: picks up an ACDC hat, decides she doesn't want it,
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: and puts it down.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: A totally normal moment. Right.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: A man standing next to her picks it up. Later
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: that day, she's driving on the highway, and this same
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: guy pulls up next to her in traffic. He's wearing
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: the ACDC hat. She sees a devil tattoo on his hand,
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: and he turns to her and gives her this massive grin.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: She specifically noted to police later that he had missing,
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: rotting teeth and looked like a, quote, killer clown.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: She had a brush with a predator who was actively hunting.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: That very night, Ramirez murders 34-year-old Daryl Ozizaki. But the
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: bizarre part is what happens to her roommate, Maria Hernandez.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: The miracle.
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: Ramirez confronts Maria in the driveway. He points a gun
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: at her chest and fires. By a one-in-a-million miracle, the
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: bullet hits the metal keys Maria is holding in front
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: of her face and ricochets.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: Unbelievable luck.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: Maria falls to the ground, scrambles to the door, and
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: begs him not to shoot her again. And Ramirez, he
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: just lowers the gun, smiles that exact same toothless grin
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: Esther saw in traffic, and casually walks away. I have
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: to ask, if he's the thrill killer, why does he
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: let her live?
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: Because sparing her life provided the exact same psychological rush
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: as taking it.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: Really? Just the choice? Yes.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: He fired the gun intending to kill. When she survived
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: by a fluke, he suddenly held her existence entirely in
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: his hands. By choosing to walk away, he exercised the
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: ultimate control. To a mind obsessed with power, deciding not
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: to kill is just as godlike as pulling the trigger again.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: It's sickening. And the cruelty only deepens. In March 1985,
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: he shifts to abducting children. He takes a six-year-old girl
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: named Anastasia Ronas from her home.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: Such a disturbing escalation.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: She later told authorities he seemed almost gentle at first,
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: like a family member. He drove her around, abused her
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: for hours while Madonna played on the radio... and then
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: just dropped her off at a gas station and told
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: her to walk to the bathroom and wait.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: The psychological whiplash he inflicted on his victims is profound.
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: He would seamlessly switch from horrific violence to casual, almost
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: mundane behavior.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: Which brings us to the theatrical element that defined the
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: Night Stalker, the Satanism. The sources detail several crime scenes
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: where he left pentagrams drawn in lipstick on the walls
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: and even on the bodies of the victims, like 83-year-old
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: Mabel Bell. we beat to death with a hammer.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: The theatricality of it is key.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: In August 1985, he breaks into the home of Elias
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: and Sakina Avawath. He shoots Elias dead in his sleep.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: He assaults Sakina, but during the assault, he forces her
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: to swear her allegiance to Satan. And while she is
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: begging for her life, he wanders into their kitchen, finds
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: a melon, and just starts casually eating it in front
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: of her. Was he actually a devout Satanist, or was
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: this all just a theatrical prop?
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: It was almost certainly a theatrical weapon. Remember his childhood,
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: being tied to a cross by his father?
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: Right, the religious trauma.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: Traditional religion was a tool of oppression used against him.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: Embracing Satanism was the ultimate rejection of societal and moral norms.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: But more practically, he knew it terrified people.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: It was about maximizing fear.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: Exactly. Forcing a victim to swear to Satan while he
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: ate a snack in their kitchen was a way to
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: maximize their psychological torment while demonstrating his complete sociopathic detachment
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: from their suffering.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: This level of terror requires a massive law enforcement response.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: Which brings us to Section 4, the investigation, and the
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: incredible institutional sabotage that allowed Ramirez to roam free for months.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: This is where the story gets really frustrating.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: If you are listening to this and wondering, how on
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: earth do the police fail to catch a guy who
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: is literally vomiting at crime scenes, leaving clear footprints and
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: driving stolen cars? You are not alone. And the sources
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: we are using today aim a very sharp critique at
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: how true crime media, specifically the Netflix Night Stalker docuseries,
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: handles this part of the story.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: Because documentaries often rely on a streamlined narrative of Dedicated
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: cops tirelessly working against the clock to catch a brilliant killer.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: The Hollywood version. Right.
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: But the reality in 1980s Los Angeles was a deeply
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: flawed system paralyzed by its own internal biases.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: Let's talk about Detective Gil Carrillo. Carrillo, a relatively young
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: Hispanic detective, was the very first person in the LAPD
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: to look at the board and deduce that the seemingly
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: random adult homicides and the child abductions were connected to
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: the exact same suspect.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: He was way ahead of everyone else.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: He saw the pattern in the chaos. This was back
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: in April 1985, months before the peak of the panic.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: And how did the department respond to his deductive breakthrough?
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: They laughed at him. The source material points directly to
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: institutional racism and departmental hubris. Veteran white detectives stonewalled Correa.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: They told him, That has never happened before. Killers don't
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: mix demographics like that.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: Just totally dismissed him.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: They dismissed his insights not based on evidence, but because
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: of rigid profiling assumptions and a lack of respect for
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: Carrillo himself.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: When an institution prizes hierarchy and traditional assumptions over the
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: fresh perspective of its investigators, it creates massive blind spots
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: that predators exploit.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: And it costs lives.
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: The refusal to connect those crimes early on undoubtedly cost lives.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: And it wasn't just ignoring theories. It was active negligence
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: with physical evidence. In one instance, a man tried to
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: kidnap a woman. She screamed. He got spooked, drew a
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: pentagram on her Toyota, and ran off.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: A huge piece of evidence.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: Creel begged the department to process the car for fingerprints
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: and evidence. Instead, the LAPD just left the car sitting
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: out in the boiling Los Angeles summer sun for days.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: By the time the lab techs finally checked it, The
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: heat had completely degraded any potential fingerprints. The evidence was
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: literally baked away.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: That is the mundane reality of investigative failure. It's rarely
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: a brilliant criminal outsmarting the system. It's usually the system
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: defeating itself through bureaucracy, jurisdictional infighting, and sheer carelessness.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: But eventually, the sheer volume of his crimes forced the
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: police to adapt. Breakthroughs did happen, and they were the
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: result of incredibly tedious, grinding police work. Let's talk about
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: the Avia shoe.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: This is a classic example of forensic needle-in-a-haystack work.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: Ramirez left a clear footprint in the flowerbed at the
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: Rodriguez home. Experts analyzed the tread and identified it as
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: a very specific, rare brand of sneaker called Avia, specifically
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: a size 11.5.
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: Incredible attention to detail.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: Detectives actually tracked down the manufacturer and requested shipping records.
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: the company revealed that there were only six pairs of
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: that exact shoe and that exact size ever manufactured in
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: the United States. Five pairs were shipped to Arizona. Only
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: one pair had ever been sold in Los Angeles.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: Suddenly, the Phantom has a physical anchor in the real world.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: He wears a size 11.5 Avia.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: Then we get the dental records. We mentioned earlier that
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: Ramirez had horrific rotting teeth. Under an alias, Richard Mina,
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: He visited a local dentist, Dr. Peter Leung, for an
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: impacted tooth. The police managed to track this down, which
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: gave him access to his dental x-rays.
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: Taking away the mystique.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: It proved the killer wasn't a supernatural demon. He was
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: a human being with bad oral hygiene seeking mundane medical care.
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: It grounded the investigation.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: But the final piece of the puzzle required a citizen's intervention.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: August 24, 1985. Ramirez attacks Bill Carnes and his fiancée.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: As Ramirez is fleeing the scene, a teenager named James
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: Romero happens to be outside working on a car. He
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: sees a suspicious vehicle speeding away. He memorizes part of
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: the license plate. 482 RTS.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: Brave kid.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: He gives it to the police. The police locate the
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: car abandoned in a parking lot. They dust it, and
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: they manage to lift one single, clear, viable fingerprint from
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: the rearview mirror. They run it through their database, and
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: the computer spits out a name. Richard Ramirez.
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: The entire city had a name and a face now.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: Which sets up one of the most chaotic and poetic
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: captures in the history of true crime. August 30th, 1985.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: Ramirez had been out of town visiting his brother in Arizona.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: He boarded the Greyhound bus back to Los Angeles.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: Completely oblivious.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: He has absolutely no idea that in the past 48 hours,
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: the LAPD has plastered his mugshot on every television and
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: newspaper in the state. He steps off the bus on
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: August 31st. walks into a convenience store in East L.A.,
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: glances down, and sees his own face staring back at
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: him from the front page of La Opinion.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: You can just imagine the instant realization that the hunt
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: has reversed.
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: He panics. He runs out of the store and sprints
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: into a residential neighborhood. He tries to carjack a woman,
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: Angelina De La Torre. But here's the incredible part. The
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: residents of this neighborhood have been living in terror of
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: the Night Stalker for months. they realize who he is.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: And they don't hide.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: No. Instead of running into their homes and locking the doors,
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: they swarm him. A mob of furious, exhausted citizens chases
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: Richard Ramirez down an alley. They tackle him. One man
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: hits him over the head with a steel pipe. They
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: physically hold him down on the concrete until a sheriff,
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: who ironically happens to be named Andy Ramirez, arrives to
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: slap the cuffs on him.
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: There is a profound irony there. Hmm. The man who
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: terrorized a city by exploiting the vulnerability of isolated individuals
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: behind locked doors was ultimately brought down by the collective
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: strength of a community that stepped outside and refused to
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: be victims anymore.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: That's powerful.
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: Law enforcement identified him, but the people of Los Angeles
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: actually caught him.
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: Which brings us to our final section, the media spectacle
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: and the deeply unsettling glamorization of evil. The trial begins
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: in January 1989, and it is a circus. Ramirez plays
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: directly to the cameras. He wears dark sunglasses inside. He
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: flashes a pentagram drawn on his palm to the gallery.
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: He smirks. But the most bizarre reality of this entire saga,
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: something the sources highlight extensively, is the groupies.
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  Speaker 2: It's a psychological phenomenon known as hebristophilia, a sexual or
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  Speaker 2: romantic attraction of people who have committed gruesome crimes.
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  Speaker 1: I just need to pause and emphasize the disconnect here.
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  Speaker 1: You have women packing the courtroom, swooning over him. They
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  Speaker 1: are sending him explicit photographs in his prison cell. They
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  Speaker 1: are writing him passionate love letters.
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  Speaker 2: It's hard to understand for a normal person.
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  Speaker 1: And I have to marvel at this because the sources
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: are very clear. Richard Ramirez was known to have horrific
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: body odor. He had missing, rotting, blackened teeth. And his
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: breath was famously atrocious. Not to mention, he was a
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: sadistic serial killer who tortured women and children. How does
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  Speaker 1: a person look at that and say, yes, that is
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  Speaker 1: my perfect partner?
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  Speaker 2: Because they aren't actually looking at the reality of the man.
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  Speaker 2: They are looking at the aura of infamy created by
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: the media.
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  Speaker 1: So it's an illusion.
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  Speaker 2: Completely. A killer behind bars is paradoxically a very safe
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: partner for someone with profound psychological issues of their own.
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: The killer can't hurt them from a cell. They know
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: exactly where he is at all times. And they get
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: to project a fantasy onto him.
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  Speaker 1: A rescue fantasy.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. They convince themselves, everyone else sees the monster, but
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  Speaker 2: I am the special one who sees his soul. I
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: can tame him. It is an extreme, delusional form of
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: a rescue fantasy.
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  Speaker 1: And that ties perfectly into the author's broader critique of
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: true crime media, specifically targeting the Night Stalker documentary. The
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: source material argues forcefully that the docuseries are prioritizes a slick,
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: entertaining narrative over the ugly, complicated truth.
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  Speaker 2: It sanitizes the story.
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  Speaker 1: It paints a flawless picture of heroic cops while completely
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: ignoring the institutional blunders, the ignored theories, the destroyed evidence
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: that undoubtedly cost citizens their lives.
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: The true crime genre constantly struggles with narrative convenience. It
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: is much easier to sell a story about good guys
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: triumphing over a bad guy Addressing systemic police incompetence ruins
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: the triumphant arc of the thriller.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: The author points out a deeply uncomfortable moment in the
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: documentary where Detective Frank Falzon gleefully describes how he physically
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: assaulted an informant named Armando Rodriguez to get Ramirez's name.
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: Which is a huge ethical violation.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: And the documentary frames it almost like a cool rogue
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: cop movie moment. It doesn't interrogate the fact that beating
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: an informant is a massive civil rights violation that could
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: have completely compromised the integrity of the entire case in
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: a court of law. The sources also call out how
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: archival footage shows reporters laughing and joking about the tragedies,
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: prioritizing the thrill of the scoop over the profound human
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: suffering happening around them.
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: That is the ultimate danger of sensationalizing true crime. When
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: you force a complex, tragic reality into the structure of
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: a Hollywood thriller, you inevitably sanitize the incompetence of the system.
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: And worse, you reduce the victims, people who suffered unimaginable
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: graphic deaths, into mere plot devices meant to entertain the viewer.
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: So as we wrap up this incredibly heavy, deep dive,
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: what does this all mean for us? We've gone on
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: a massive journey today. We've traveled from the lonely hearts
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: columns and voodoo delusions of the 1940s to the satanic
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: panic and chaotic randomized violence of 1980s Los Angeles.
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  Speaker 2: That's a lot to process.
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: When you look at the parallel origins of Raymond Fernandez
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: and Richard Ramirez, you are forced to confront the terrifying
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: fragility of the human mind. A steel hatch falling on
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: a ship, a dresser falling in a bedroom, the profound
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: fractures of traumatic brain injuries combined with unchecked severe childhood abuse.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: When those factors are ignored by society, Unsupported by medicine
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: and instead fueled by toxic environments, they mutate into unimaginable horror.
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  Speaker 2: It demands that we ask ourselves how we handle the
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: broken elements of our society. Do we recognize trauma and
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: intervene early, or do we turn a blind eye until
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: the damage is irreversible and people are dying?
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: Exactly. And I want to leave you, the listener, with
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: the final chilling thread to pull on. We just talked
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: about the groupies in the 1980s. Remember Martha Beck and
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: Raymond Fernandez in 1951?
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: They had fans, too.
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: They went to the electric chair receiving sacks of mail
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: from people who read the newspapers and thought their murderous,
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: grifting rampage was a beautiful, tragic romance. Decades later, Richard
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: Ramirez sat on death row receiving love letters from women
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: convinced they understood his dark, misunderstood soul.
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  Speaker 2: It raises a profound question about the audience of these spectacles.
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: Why is society so consistently drawn to the architects of
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: its own nightmares? Is it a primal desire to tame
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: the monster in the dark? Or is it a dark
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: reflection of our own morbid curiosity, a way to safely
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: peek into the abyss from the comfort of our living
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: rooms without falling in?
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: It's something for you to ponder the next time you
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: scroll past a shiny, new, highly produced true crime documentary
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: on your television. Remember that human behavior is never as
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: clean as a scripted thriller. When you look into the
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: origins of violence, the lines are always jagged, the system
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: is always flawed, and the water is always, always muddy.