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EP #73 - Secret Language of Water with Veda Austin · Spiritual AF!

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  SPEAKER_00: There are more water molecules in your body than all the stars in the perceivable universe.
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  SPEAKER_00: All we're taught about at school is that it's age 20 and that it has a psychological system, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: We are not learning about the thing that we are made the most of.
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  SPEAKER_00: It knows all your thoughts because your thoughts travel through it.
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  SPEAKER_00: It knows you from the moment you were conceived to the moment that you pass on.
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  SPEAKER_00: It never leaves you.
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  SPEAKER_00: It is the one thing that knows you more than any other thing on this entire planet.
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  SPEAKER_01: Welcome to Spiritualist.
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  SPEAKER_05: Spirituality.
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  SPEAKER_01: Where spirituality meets the real world.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm Liz Belty, serial entrepreneur, passionate change maker and intuitive.
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  SPEAKER_01: I love inspiring people to dream big and create positive change in the world.
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  SPEAKER_05: I'm Diandra Skip, a coach, facilitator, and speaker, who uses channeled insights to activate transformation in leaders, entrepreneurs, and change makers.
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  SPEAKER_01: We share real and raw spiritual stories, give you a safe space to challenge what's normal, and have some serious fun along the way.
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  SPEAKER_05: Come join us as we get spiritual as.
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  SPEAKER_05: Today's conversation may completely change the way you think about water.
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  SPEAKER_05: Our guest is Veda Austin, a water researcher, public speaker, artist, author, and mother who has spent the last 15 years exploring water's structural memory and responsiveness.
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  SPEAKER_05: Veda believes that water is fluid intelligence observing itself through every living organism on the planet and in the universe.
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  SPEAKER_05: Join us as we explore water's memory, communication, and consciousness, how water was viewed by ancient civilizations, and Vader's collaboration with the beyond verbal autistic community.
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  SPEAKER_01: Welcome back, everyone.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now, today we're sitting down with someone that has honestly been on our guest wish list for what seems like forever, the incredible Vader Austin.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now I know that some of you will know who Vader is, and Diane and I have been following her work for ages.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I have to say that the very first time that I listened or heard about your work, Vader, was uh via a podcast.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I remember that I was so fascinated that even though I'd kind of arrived home in my car, I sat on the driveway outside my house for like another hour just so I could actually finish it all.
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  SPEAKER_01: Because it was like the most fascinating stuff I'd ever heard.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, so yeah, listeners, go pop your kettle on here because and make sure you're subscribed, obviously, because this is just going to be a conversation that honestly could change the way that you look at water forever.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, firstly, welcome, Vader.
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  SPEAKER_01: Thank you for being here.
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh, it's such a pleasure and what an amazing, beautiful welcome.
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh, well, we are definitely excited, you can probably tell by our voices today.
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  SPEAKER_01: But I want to start with somewhere because for anyone that's here today who's never heard of your work, can you tell us a little bit about how the hell this journey began and how did you get into the field of water?
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, that's a that's a bigger question than it sounds.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_00: But just so people know who I am and what I do, I think that can be a helpful.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then we can kind of maybe go back into how it really began for me, which was completely and utterly organic and came from a healing journey.
• 3:33
  SPEAKER_00: But essentially, uh, I am a water crystallographer or water researcher, and my specialty is in freezing water to a specific state that would be deemed as fourth phase.
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  SPEAKER_00: So we have a liquid, a gas, and a solid, and then more of a plasma.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I am freezing water to a stage that's not a liquid and not exactly a solid.
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  SPEAKER_00: And within that phase, I can prove that water can store information and share that information in this crystallographic stage.
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  SPEAKER_00: For example, I might put my hand in the water, take it out, freeze the water to this stage, and see an imprint of a hand in the ice.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's way more expansive than that one example, but it gives you just a little bit of an idea of the kind of work that I'm doing.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think that water has a voice and it's a very visual one.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so the beauty of the work is in the evidence, is in the pictures.
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  SPEAKER_00: How I got here was a whole different story.
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  SPEAKER_00: And if you told me I'd be doing this, I don't know, like 20 years ago, I wouldn't have believed you.
• 4:39
  SPEAKER_00: I wouldn't have had a clue that this would be what I was doing, but here you go.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um so over 25 years ago, I was in a horrendous car accident.
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  SPEAKER_00: We went under a seven-ton truck, rolled twice, and the driver died immediately.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it was considered one of the worst accidents in New Zealand where someone survived.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I was the only passenger.
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  SPEAKER_00: And when you see how bad the car wreck was, it is really truly a miracle that anyone lived through it.
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  SPEAKER_00: And over the course of that time of 20 years afterwards, I had eight surgeries, mostly for bowel resections, because where the seatbelt crushed my internal organs and probably helped to save me too.
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  SPEAKER_00: It shattered my collarbone and I had lots of internal bleeding in and around my reproductive organs and stomach and small bowel.
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  SPEAKER_00: So multiple surgeries also had stage four intrametriosis to throw in there, so had operations for that too.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so it felt like I was just at the hospital all the time, which really sucked, especially considering that you know, I I always kept took care of myself, I ate well and healthy, I didn't drink or smoke or do drugs or anything.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, I really lived a very holistic way.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so it was quite shocking when on the last surgery, on the eighth surgery, going in for another bowel resection, which was because the where the seat belt crushed the organs, it left this this uh bleeding, which left scar tissue, and the scar tissue would grow and cut my digestive system off, so I couldn't eat food without throwing up.
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  SPEAKER_00: So for a year, I was like on an almost like liquid diet, like what you'd eat, baby.
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  SPEAKER_00: I ate some baby food, you know, it was like soups and baby food and smoothies, if I could even manage that.
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  SPEAKER_00: And every time I would be sick, and I've had children now, so I can say that it was like being in labor every day.
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  SPEAKER_00: The pain was so excruciating.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so having this bowel resection, they cut that scarred part out and then sewed it back together.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then the scar tissue around where they sewed it together grew, and the same problem kept happening.
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  SPEAKER_00: And eventually they put a stent, like they put in the heart, but they put a stent in my small bowel to keep it open, and that's worked amazing, and I don't have that issue anymore.
• 6:59
  SPEAKER_00: But when they did that, it was a far more extensive surgery, and I was in uh for like six hours and um under anesthetic.
• 7:08
  SPEAKER_00: And so when I woke up, the doctors were saying, Well, you didn't recover well, now you have showers of blood clots in your lungs.
• 7:16
  SPEAKER_00: And they said it was because of the type of surgery, the length of surgery, and the length of anesthetic, and all of this other bits and pieces.
• 7:22
  SPEAKER_00: So they said, You're gonna die um if you don't take this blood thinner.
• 7:27
  SPEAKER_00: And so I was taking warfarin, which was the blood thinner that they gave me, and they said, you know, you might have to do this for the rest of your life, which was really quite confronting um to imagine.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh and so for three and a half, four months, I took warfarin, and then they did another chest x-ray, and they realized, oh, okay, there's no, there's no clots, which which is good, but keep doing this, keep doing this maybe forever.
• 7:54
  SPEAKER_00: And so I made a decision.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was a very, as far as I could, as it could be, it was an educated decision.
• 8:02
  SPEAKER_00: And it was also based off something that doctors had told me that my body wouldn't be able to do, but I had already done.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so after my car accident, three different doctors, because I had different opinions, um, and three different doctors told me I'd probably never be able to have children based off the amount of scar tissue that was on my uh reproductive system.
• 8:23
  SPEAKER_00: But by all of this time, coming up to after my eighth surgery, I'd already had a child for every doctor that told me I could it.
• 8:30
  SPEAKER_00: Oh wow.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was so not obviously out of defiance, but like I have this ability to put what someone tells me on the shelf, not ignore it, like, but just allow my body to make that decision for itself rather than really feeding the fears and believing that okay, this is this is my limitations.
• 8:52
  SPEAKER_00: And I don't I try never to do that uh because I've proved it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like I have in my own self, I've seen that my body could, in fact, have healthy children, have them naturally.
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  SPEAKER_00: There was no complications or any of these kinds of things.
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  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, I do believe that your body is a very intelligent system.
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  SPEAKER_00: From that knowledge, I then moved over to speaking to a medical doctor friend of mine who also practiced Ayurvedic medicine.
• 9:20
  SPEAKER_00: And he said to me, you know, while you're on this natural healing journey, why don't you start with the foundation of life?
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  SPEAKER_00: He said, start with a naturally alkaline water.
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, well, okay, that seems super basic.
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  SPEAKER_00: And in New Zealand, we have so many springs that are naturally alkaline and all variations of alkaline.
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  SPEAKER_00: Alkaline simply means anything over a seven in pH, which stands for power or potential of hydrogen.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_00: Anything under a seven is considered acidic.
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  SPEAKER_00: So over a seven is considered alkaline, and it goes up like um like a Richter scale, actually.
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  SPEAKER_00: It gets far greater the higher you go.
• 10:01
  SPEAKER_00: And so I was trialing myself on two-week trials, not changing my makeup, my skincare, my diet, or anything, because I wanted to see will something change?
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  SPEAKER_00: Like, will I feel somehow miraculously healthier or something?
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  SPEAKER_00: And the hard part is you have this meat suit and you can't see the inner workings of the body, but we really are an ocean.
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  SPEAKER_00: We're only a cut away from leaking, we're only an emotion away from leaking, we're only a bathroom break from leaking, and yet we think we're so solid, although our eye lens is 99% highly ordered structured water, and so we actually see the world through the lens of water.
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  SPEAKER_00: And the stage that I freeze the water to has more in common with your eye lens than the water that comes out of the tap.
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  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I'm kind of like going, okay, what am I gonna try?
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, there's different waters, and nothing much really happened.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I'm like, okay, I'm just gonna keep doing it though and just see, give it time.
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_00: By this time I'd moved and I I uh set up a wellness center and uh have some gifts of healing, and so you know, I was doing uh healing work, and it's it's interesting.
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  SPEAKER_00: I often see that people that have gone through the most often set up these healing centers and they're absolutely and so uh someone or clients said, Oh, you know, I I know this old guy, he has his own private source of water and coming out of the ground, it's 9.9 in pH.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, what?
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  SPEAKER_00: I've never heard of such a naturally alkaline water.
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  SPEAKER_00: But what also intrigued me was that he was only giving it to cancer patients and they were having amazing results, and so he wasn't doing it publicly or any of that kind of stuff, it just was a word of mouth, and she'd heard about it.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I went and saw him, told my whole story, and he was kind enough to give me a month's worth to drink.
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  SPEAKER_00: Day three, I noticed a change in bowel motions, which is like when you've had so much bowel surgery, is a real indicator that something's working.
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  SPEAKER_00: And there are so many people that are dehydrated, and one of the many, many, many signs of dehydration, and even the slightest amount of dehydration, even can cause constipation.
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  SPEAKER_00: So there's so many people sitting on the toilet trying to push out a pebble for like an hour, and this is because they don't like water, and they think, oh, well, I'll just drink orange juice or I just drink like 10 million cups of tea, and it's going to do the same thing.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think if if you are that kind of person, think of water as a medicine because it really can't be replaced when it comes to this really hydration, and then there are different types of water.
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  SPEAKER_00: You can have is lots and lots of tap water, but it won't give you anywhere near the kind of hydration that water that's collected from a spring, for example, freshly collected from a spring will give you.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's quality and quantity.
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  SPEAKER_00: So day 10, I noticed all these bumps coming up along my arm and jaw that were really painful on my right side.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, I know my body is detoxing here, but like it feels like there's something in here, and so it sounds really gross, but there was this big like bump in one, and I could press it and it felt like something sharp.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, I swear there's something in here.
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_00: So I got these tweezers, sharp tweezers, and I ended up anyway, pulled out this little green glass, and actually that wasn't the smallest piece, like was a fairly decent size.
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  SPEAKER_00: And between day 10 and 12, I picked 27 pieces of green glass out of my arm that had been embedded in there for over 20 years because the man who died owned a nightclub, and in the back of the car were crates of Steinlager beer, which is like a lager with a green glass bottle.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_00: And so the when the car rolled, this side of me got more green glass, and this side of me got more windscreen.
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_00: And the nurses had spent three and a half, nearly four days, picking all the glass out of my face.
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  SPEAKER_00: They have 17 huge scars on my head, so I can't enjoy head massages anymore, unfortunately, because it really is tender.
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_00: But if that's the only complaint I have, I can't really complain.
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  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, so I have all these tiny little scars on my arm and some sort of big, big one actually on my jaw, where a fairly large chunk of glass came out.
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_00: And so I sort of was quite shocked, and I was thinking, well, God, I know the only thing I did different was drink this water.
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_00: So I started trialing other people from the wellness center on it, and we had people who um had like real depression, and they started to actually say they were starting to feel better.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_00: We had uh a lady that had done several rounds of IVF get natural, um, naturally got pregnant within the first month of drinking it.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_00: We had a lot of people who have long lost um my dad, he's like a fisherman in New Zealand, and he had a long-loss fish fin that had gone between his knuckles, come out.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, just like I wanted um one guy had stage four cancer, and he did a 27-day water fast only on this water.
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  SPEAKER_00: Halfway through, it was reduced by half.
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  SPEAKER_00: Three weeks after he finished, they said it's spontaneous healing.
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  SPEAKER_00: And there were two other cases of different types of cancers.
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  SPEAKER_00: They were ladies that did a 10-day and a 12-day water fast on it, and they saw reduction in tumor.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I knew there was something special and about this water, and I was trying to understand what was special.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I went to an analysis and going, okay, is it the bicarb and the lime make it naturally alkaline?
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_00: But what else is it?
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_00: Is it basilica?
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_00: Is it this?
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_00: Is it that?
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_00: And then I was also very interested in learning from people that I have respected and respect.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_00: And Tesla, you know, he says, if you want to know the secrets to the universe, look at energy frequency and vibration.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, well, how can I know that about water?
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_00: And so I started looking at things a little differently.
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_00: And I thought, well, an analysis only tells me what water holds, not what water is.
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  SPEAKER_00: And all I hear from schools and teachers and scientists and physicists is that water is H2O, two hydrogens and an oxygen.
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  SPEAKER_00: And given that by molecular count, not by volume, we're 99% water.
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  SPEAKER_00: To put that into perspective, there are more water molecules in your body than all the stars in the perceivable universe.
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_00: Ah, there's a there's a start.
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  SPEAKER_00: All we're taught about at school is that it's H2O and it's part of it, it has this hydrological system, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: So we are not learning about the thing that we are made the most of.
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_00: And if you pardon the pun, you boil us down where water salts, minerals, and consciousness.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_00: And so I started to think, well, what is water?
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_00: And I have been working in the field of crystallography now for 15 years, and that is a question I am still asking today.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so that led me on to talking to varied people, and I like to weave science, art, and consciousness together.
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  SPEAKER_00: Otherwise, I think this you, if you're not looking in all these areas, you kind of just have one narrow view.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, and so someone said, What if the two hydrogens are feminine in the mode of levity and the large oxygen is masculine and the mode of gravity, and together they create liquid water and balance on earth.
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, well, that depends on whoa, and then I found out that water is actually only one part matter, the hydrogens and oxygen.
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_00: That's just the matter.
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  SPEAKER_00: The rest of water is photonic light, so it is essentially a lighthouse.
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  SPEAKER_00: So for all those trillions of water molecules inside of your body, emitting light, and light, I think, is the information highway where information comes in and information goes out, it is received and it is also given out, and that ties in a lot with how I think the way in which the crystallography forms and the way in which information is received in my work.
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  SPEAKER_00: That led on to researching the latest science in water research, and that's about the fourth phase of water, this more gel-like state.
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_00: And Dr.
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  SPEAKER_00: Gerald Pollack has talked about that, wrote a book called The Fourth Phase of Water.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's the kind of water inside of your cells, it's the kind of water that your eyelens is made of, it's more the kind of water that your saliva is made of, it is definitely the kind of water that's um that's uh that how procreation happens.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, all of these kinds of things are absolutely essential for life and in every manner of it.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_00: And so this fourth-based water has interesting qualities, it absorbs more light, it has negative charge, it is more viscous or stretchy.
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  SPEAKER_00: And those are the most, for me, the most public ones.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_00: There are others, it's actually H3O2, it has an extra hydrogen and oxygen atom.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_00: However, there is this type of water in some waters, and it may it essentially make a battery.
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_00: So when you are looking to see is there this kind of special gel-like water inside the water that I'm drinking, when they look in the lab, they get uh they look at they get some uh water, some water and a test tube, and then they put things called um microspheres inside to see if there's any movement.
• 19:34
  SPEAKER_00: Then they put a little tube, see-through tube called a napheon tube that allows you to, it's just well, basically I'm gonna tell you what it does in a sec.
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  SPEAKER_00: Then they look down it through a microscope.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_00: And if this fourth phase water is in there, you will see those microspheres moving through the tube, going round and round and round and round and round with no help.
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_00: And the reason it does that is that when you have a hydrophilic surface or a water-loving surface, like your cells are water-loving, um, glass is water-loving, plastic is water-repelling, is that with the water-loving surface, it starts to build um this exclusion zone, creating a negative charge, and all the rest is positively charged.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_00: And when you have a negative and a positive, you have a battery.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_00: So this kind of water is the battery of your cells, and it helps give you energy and it expands with infrared light.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_00: So um, so I started to wonder what's, you know, I've really gone off on a whole tangent there, but coming back to it, I looked at Emoto's work as well, started hearing about the term water memory.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_00: And although Emoto wasn't embraced by the scientific community, lack of controls, lack of repeatability, it doesn't mean that what he was saying was wrong.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_00: Actually, I've seen in my work that he was he was right, and there's so much more actually.
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_00: So I was, and and other people inspired me.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but I ended up working in research development as head of research development for this uh company who really were trying to find out the qualitative aspects of the water that healed me.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_00: And so I thought, well, I'm gonna just see, you know, I had some glass petri dishes, and what are we gonna see, you know, if this idea of water memory is really real?
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_00: And so I had my petri dish of water, and I was thinking I'm gonna do a most radical thing I can think of, and that was at the time to like project a thought into the water because a motor was doing that.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_00: And so I was like, okay, like what am I gonna think about?
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm looking at this water and there's a bit of fluff floating around.
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, oh my god.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_00: So I put it out in my hand and I took up the fluff, and I thought, oh, I wonder if my hand will have any impact on the water's quote unquote memory.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_00: And back then, you know, I wasn't really working with microscopes so much, I was like working in another area, and so I I just thought, oh well, you know, I'm just gonna freeze it in my freezer.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna freeze it in my freezer because the secret seems to be in the freezing, because the motor was flash freezing water, and then microscope.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_00: Taking photographs of the structures that formed as the ice formed.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_00: So his work was very contrasting.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_00: Um loving emotions created snowflake-like crystals, um, a disharmony, disharmony, or kind of feelings of anger and hate created less structure or no structure, or different kind of deformed uh structures.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm like, okay, so I put it into the freezer with the present broccoli and all the stuff, and I forgot about it.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_00: And I froze it.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, I I haven't frozen solid in over 14 years.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_00: I've frozen the water solid, and uh because of my new technique that I that I discovered.
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_00: But I began that way because I didn't know any better.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_00: So I took this sample out and held it up to the light, and I took my first photograph, and that is the photo that essentially has springboarded my work into well over 80,000 photos of water responding in a very intelligent manner.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_00: The first picture I saw looked like an exact x-ray off my hand.
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_00: And to put that into some perspective, Jerry Pollux, a friend of mine, and gave me some suggestions, and he said, Why don't you put together uh a questionnaire simply saying, What does this image look like to you?
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  SPEAKER_00: Not leading anybody.
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_00: And yes, and so 298 people did the survey.
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_00: It was circulated by people that you know I knew, so people didn't know it was coming from me.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_00: It was before anyone much knew about my work.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_00: People didn't even know what they were looking at, they were just looking at the crystallography, but they didn't necessarily know it was ice.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_00: And so, um, anyway, 98 90, sorry, 85% of people were able to recognize the images for what the original influence was, and 100% of people recognize three images, and this hand image was one.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_00: I really enough to address this paradolia that some people bring up.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_00: It's like where you look in the you look at something, a whole a crack in the wall and say it looks like Mother Mary.
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_05: Yes, or cloud in the sky, yes.
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_00: However, we are designed for image recognition.
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_00: So completely.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_00: I won't get on about that.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_00: So uh the next one I did, and first the second crystallographic image I took, because I was thinking, well, maybe it's a coincidence, of course, you know.
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_00: And just for size, my petri dishes are 10 centimeters in diameter, which is about the same size as my hand.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_00: The image took up half of the dish.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_00: So we're not talking tiny, we're actually talking quite large, and definitely visible with the naked eye.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_00: And so I went and I collected some seawater because I thought if any water's going to be naturally informed, it would be the sea.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_00: Collected the seawater, froze it, and saw this amazing fish with gills and eye and fins and scales and tail.
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, oh my god, this is like the thing I've ever done.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_00: And then my freezer became my most used household appliance, and I freezing everything.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_00: And it's so it's so easy and fun.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_00: And really, I mean, the the freezing methods happened about a year later when I started to question more about that fourth phase stage, like when is the um patterns forming?
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_00: So then I would just like started to open my freezer earlier and earlier, and around five minutes and 30 seconds in my freezer.
• 25:33
  SPEAKER_00: It's a bit different for each person's freezer.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_00: I noticed there's liquid on top and ice underneath.
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_00: I took it out, tipped the liquid away, and photographed the crystallography on the dish.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_00: That is essentially my freezing method, but it was a quantum leap from freezing water solid.
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_00: Water freezes in three stages.
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_00: I think of them as spirit, blood, and body.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_00: Once you get to the body stage, you can't see the clarity of the spirit stage.
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_00: And so it's the spirit stage or this fourth phase stage that I'm essentially uh photographing, interacting with.
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and from there, the the it's a much thinner stage, so you do get different colours coming through because of the background.
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_00: But you could I like that.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_00: I I play with that because I think that's fun.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, but the the actual um structures are phenomenal.
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_00: So uh I have seen just such a huge change with just making this observation and changing my method.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_05: Can you, Veda, can you for our listeners who are audio listening to this, we will obviously be sharing some of the photographs, and for people who already follow you, if they don't follow you, they should, just to be able to see, because for me, my first interaction was seeing those petri dishes for the first time, and I was like, oh my god, like I mean, I'm science background, so for me, this was mind-blowing completely.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_05: But can you share or give our listeners a little bit of a feel for some of the images and what they represented or what came up in your work that you were actually seeing as you were going through all of these experiments?
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, um, there's I'll I'll kind of go over the three different types of crystallography that we see, and they are three three different types, um, and then give you some examples of the the imagery part.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_00: So most people that know me know my work from the art of water.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_00: And we say that that that art is the art is the heart of water, and it is the ultimate architect of life, it is the thing that really fills our body and creates this form.
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_00: If you look at plums and prunes, well, the only difference is one is dehydrated and one isn't.
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_00: So it's the water that changed, moved, evaporated out that to make the form look different.
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_00: And so what I've seen is just as water um freezes in three stages, uh, it also has so far anyway, three ways of communicating information, if you will.
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_00: The first one is a signature pattern.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_00: So a signature pattern simply allows you to see what kind of water you're working with.
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_00: So, for example, rainwater um repeatedly forms this kind of fanning pattern.
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_00: If you can see my hand, or maybe for those readers, I'm just kind of like opening my palm up with my fingers and sort of curving it slightly.
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_00: It's just a kind of a curved fanning pattern.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, for spring water.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_00: Now, this is specific to spring water that is collected and frozen within an hour or two.
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_00: It forms large, what I call star fern hexagons, a six-pointed star with ferns off each leg, which form a hexagonal pattern.
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_00: And the larger they are, the larger the energetic state of health of the water is.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_00: Now, I can get into that maybe later, what I really mean by that.
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_00: But um, essentially we're seeing large hexagons.
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_00: Now, that kind of water, spring water, it is extremely sensitive to artificial light.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_00: So, what I always see if you go to the supermarket is that here we have this best spring water, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, but it's in a see-through bottle.
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_00: And that affects its structure so dramatically that when so many people, when they go and do my work, they go and they buy a spring water because maybe they haven't had access or they don't know where their nearest spring is.
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_00: And they go, well, why do we see these hexagons?
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_00: Well, that is because within 72 hours of being exposed to light, the structures have degraded in a very specific order.
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_00: They go from in in two ways, they go from the hexagon to end up becoming like little dots, and then they also go from the hexagon, and then they kind of go into this fern shape and then through this grass shape and end up being little lines.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_00: So they end up being like a mix of ferns and stars and lines of all of the ways in which it's degraded.
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_00: And so by the time it gets to the supermarket, often you're seeing something pretty, like these little stars and stuff, but it's actually degraded a lot from its original strong hexagonal structure.
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_00: And this light piece is such an important one.
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_00: When you consider that water's like a baby, imagine in the womb of the earth, and then it comes out and it's going, oh my god, and now we have all this light.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_00: And it is very um most people are don't think about that, and they think, put it in the sun.
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_00: But if you look even at it, um, oh gosh, what's his name?
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_00: It's not coming to me right now.
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_00: He's so famous.
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I think it's a quote in the back of my book, and I really want to talk about him.
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_00: Um, Victor Schauberger, there we go.
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_00: So Vin Victor Schauberger, who's like known as the water wizard, back in the day, he was like this amazing um man who understood the dynamics of implosion rather than explosion, and he understood water in such incredible ways, and he worked in the foresters and in all kinds of stuff in Austria.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, if you haven't heard of Victor Schauberger, I really recommend you look him up.
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_00: He also worked with anti-gravity devices, and a lot of that came from his understanding of water.
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and so he was following the nature of what water likes, where it's most alive, if you will, and it gets very sluggish and when it's in too much light.
• 31:27
  SPEAKER_00: And Mart Fav prefers moving down um through dappled light through the forest, you know, where the where there's like little light beams that come through.
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_00: Like I love that too, and where it's just kind of it's very much more sluggish when it's exposed to a lot of sunlight.
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_00: Moonlight, however, is a different thing.
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_00: So, anyway, that's a whole nother topic too.
• 31:49
  SPEAKER_00: But moonlight actually is far more activating.
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_00: Sunlight is just more.
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_00: Well, imagine how we feel.
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_00: Water's not much different to us, it is us in so many ways.
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_00: We relax, we go and we lie in the sun, we feel like hot, like right now.
• 32:05
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I don't know how much I've been fanning myself before we get it.
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_00: So humid in New Zealand, and I just like salades and whatever, and all like boiling hot.
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_00: But I'm just I just need to rest.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_00: So I know that my water in my body is responding in exactly the same way that it does outside of my body.
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_00: So that was really helpful.
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and then you have uh tap water, which has a lot of disordered patterns, lots of lines and dots, really.
• 32:34
  SPEAKER_00: It's like Lego all over the ground, but that Lego can be put back together in a structured form.
• 32:39
  SPEAKER_00: It so that's a whole separate thing.
• 32:43
  SPEAKER_00: But so what I'm photographing and what I'm looking at is the crystallography and the energetic state of house of health of water or the light force energy of water.
• 32:55
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not looking for whatever the water is holding.
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_00: In fact, I can't really do that because this stage that I freeze the water to, the water, the water, in fact, has split itself up.
• 33:09
  SPEAKER_00: It's pushed all those solates out.
• 33:11
  SPEAKER_00: For it to be a fourth phase state, it's pushed the solates out of itself to create that uh negative charge.
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_00: The where the area where all the solates and salts and all the stuff that's in the water is pushed out, that is the positive charge.
• 33:28
  SPEAKER_00: So this ice, when you've got the technique right, is very clear, right?
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_00: Very thin, very clear, and it doesn't have the the things that darken ice.
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_00: So if you want a completely clear ice cube, for example, you would use distilled water that lacks, that doesn't have all of the things in it.
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_00: And the stage has pushed those solates out, the the things that are in the water out to create this very pure stage, a pure state of information.
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_00: And um, it's like water takes on the information and goes into form, in formation.
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_00: So I so that's the first stage where you have these specific patterns that represent specific types of water.
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_00: The next stage is the art of water, and that's one of my favorite stages, just because for yeah years, you know, I worked professionally as an oil painter, so I see the world through that water.
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_00: But I also went to Saragai to university um to study archaeology because I love you know the ancient world, so I kind of love to weave everything together um in my work now.
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_00: Um I just came back from Egypt and I just did all the crystalline.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_00: I know, I've been dying to ask from the waters that we took from the Osiris shaft and the resin, and you know, from uh we even went into the king's chamber in I we were able to, not normally, we were able to go into the sarc sarcophagus or the resin, put water inside that, and um uh all manner of exciting things.
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, that's what I mean by by weaving in my interest for the ancient world.
• 35:21
  SPEAKER_03: Can you share anything about that about for your ancient strips?
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_05: I I know I have been sitting on the edge of my seat waiting for this one because just even the challenges of doing your work in such an environment as well.
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_00: Well, when that that was the challenge.
• 35:40
  SPEAKER_00: So I they wanted to be able to get me a freezer so I could do the crystallography on site, but they couldn't get me a freezer where we were where we were moving a lot, and and it's just actually it's very the areas where we went, um, one thing I didn't recognize about Egypt was just there's so much pollution um everywhere on the roads, and you know, and the air pollution is very bad.
• 36:06
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I mean, I'm coming from New Zealand, so maybe I'm just you know interesting there.
• 36:12
  SPEAKER_00: But everyone felt it.
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_00: There was a group of like 60 or so of us, and everyone really felt that.
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_00: And it was it was also pretty hot.
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_00: And so we had to navigate how we were going to bring the water back.
• 36:26
  SPEAKER_00: And so I ended up getting some Faraday cage bags.
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_00: We tested them by putting a phone inside the bag and ringing it to make sure it didn't ring, um, because there are some that just don't work and they really don't protect anything much.
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_00: But this one was good and it worked, and the phone didn't ring, and uh we were mindful in every way we could be about how we brought back the samples back to New Zealand.
• 36:50
  SPEAKER_00: I also collected them um in blue glass bottles or Myron glass bottles, which help with any light, and we put them directly into the uh Faraday cage bag, which doesn't allow light in, and it helps prevent electromagnetic frequencies coming into the bag.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_00: So, for the best of my ability, and I know then you're flying and you're doing this and you're doing the other things, but there are only so many things you can actually do.
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_00: So we did the best we could.
• 37:19
  SPEAKER_00: And um there were a few really interesting ones, like so.
• 37:24
  SPEAKER_00: One of my really fun things I was excited to do, well, it was all fun for me, but was to go down the um Osiris shaft, which is sort of underneath the Giza Plateau at the back end of the Sphinx, sort of between the Sphinx and the Great Pyramid.
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_00: And um, you have to go down three levels, and very, very, very sort of some people were pretty scared, but um, you know, I wasn't I thought I would be more scared than I was.
• 37:50
  SPEAKER_00: I actually did pretty well.
• 37:52
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I was very proud of myself because I don't think that I get nervous about, and I wasn't a bit nervous, I'll be honest.
• 37:59
  SPEAKER_00: But anyway, went down these three ladders, and the when you get to like the second level, there's like a some big caverns with these big giant sarcophaguses in them.
• 38:10
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and then you go under that, and that's where you get to the water source.
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_00: So there's water that's um running underneath the Giza Plateau, and so this was intentionally made, like um not made that, but it's intentionally part of this whole area.
• 38:28
  SPEAKER_00: Um and I say intentionally because the water that's underneath the Osiris shaft is not coming from the Nile, it's not fresh water, it's actually got quite a lot of salt in it, and it's actually coming from somewhere quite far away.
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_00: So there is an intention for the special water to be going underneath there, and so with that composition of having a little bit more salts, more saline, you know, I've often kind of thought, well, you know, this that gives it an electrical component, and the fact that there is water running water under practically every single sacred site around the world, especially with pyramids.
• 39:09
  SPEAKER_00: Um, there's this there is a connection between the way the water works, the electromagnetic frequencies work, the electrical components of the water, because if even if it's fresh water, there's often some kind of crystal involved in the components of the earth or the structures, and that keeps this PZO electricity, which kind of affects the water in a specific way.
• 39:32
  SPEAKER_00: And so there's all kinds of exciting things going on.
• 39:36
  SPEAKER_00: So we went up like the into we I had a private because I'm um um we're so we're filming for a documentary that I'm making, and we've just kind of got the trailer out, and so we we were filming, it was just six of us, and we had a private in the um Great Pyramid, and I'd never was my first time, so I was so excited, and I was not warned about how hot it is in there.
• 40:01
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, fire pyramid literally means fire in the middle, and yeah, so it means fire in the middle, but it was like fire in the middle and the top and everywhere.
• 40:14
  SPEAKER_00: It was so hot, it was like a sauna in there, and you just when you're when you're climbing up all these stairs and you're sweating and everything, it was yeah, it was like uh it was uh we were all hot messes and no air movement, yeah.
• 40:30
  SPEAKER_00: And so we ended up like um going into the queen's chamber, the king's chamber, and the subterranean chamber.
• 40:38
  SPEAKER_00: And my oldest son had come with me for a few days of that trip, and so he was there supporting me, like as I went down the subterranean chamber.
• 40:46
  SPEAKER_00: You can do it, mom, because I don't like tall, small, tight places and dark and stuff because you have to crawl through a dark tunnel thing before you come out into the subterranean part.
• 40:57
  SPEAKER_00: And um, so I went into the um sarcophagus in the king's chamber and with my water sample and put it straight into the Faraday cage bag, and I was able to do very different samples.
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_00: The the second time we went to the to the pyramid was at the very end, and that was with the whole group, and they wouldn't allow us to go back into the sarcophagus that time, and so we just had to put the water on top of it, or that was the best we could do.
• 41:26
  SPEAKER_00: And the images are actually really different.
• 41:30
  SPEAKER_00: So the imagery from inside showed me.
• 41:33
  SPEAKER_00: I wonder if I've got pictures I can show you.
• 41:35
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but showed me uh this, it was actually just like a cymatic pattern.
• 41:41
  SPEAKER_00: If you are able to see my um my my water telepathy and the ancient mysteries webinar, I can send you guys links, but people can get yes, please.
• 41:51
  SPEAKER_05: We'll put them in the show notes.
• 41:53
  SPEAKER_00: When you you the very last speaker, he has like this um Instagram page called Baseforge, and he basically was Oh, I know, yes, very cool guy.
• 42:05
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and he were Tyler, and he was just talking all about the the cymatic imprints.
• 42:10
  SPEAKER_00: So I don't do cymatics, however, you know, I'm obviously doing crystallography, but they all tell the story, and so he was going through all this specific diet, the um cymatic patterns from different frequencies, and there was one, and everybody was like like on the chat going, okay.
• 42:30
  SPEAKER_00: It's just like Vader's image from the Great Pyramid.
• 42:34
  SPEAKER_00: There was one that showed like a four, almost like four chambers.
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_00: It was like a kind of four-sided flower, it wasn't really like flower-like, but it was a different image than I've ever seen, and it was really quite amazing because it showed these four chambers, and then I did a couple more.
• 42:53
  SPEAKER_00: We're using that water, and that four kept coming up.
• 42:57
  SPEAKER_00: The the next one was like um like a cross with like a square, a square with a cross inside.
• 43:04
  SPEAKER_00: So again, four chambers, but in one of the chambers was a pyramid, and the other four were empty.
• 43:10
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, whoo, what does that mean?
• 43:12
  SPEAKER_00: And so um it just kind of led to more questions, unfortunately.
• 43:17
  SPEAKER_00: But it was super, super interesting.
• 43:19
  SPEAKER_00: And I I actually think, and it may well be that there are four chambers rather than just these three within the great pyramid.
• 43:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, it could also potentially mean that there are four aquifers or four water sources that are that are around it, not just maybe one.
• 43:35
  SPEAKER_00: So this four just kept on coming up as like a real reference to the specific to the king's chamber.
• 43:43
  SPEAKER_00: In the queen's chamber, we had very different crystallography.
• 43:47
  SPEAKER_00: Um, in the queen's chamber, we had um uh the first one I did was the sample that looked just as if I had gone and got seawater.
• 43:58
  SPEAKER_00: So it had the Seawater patterns, which essentially in hydroglyphs.
• 44:05
  SPEAKER_00: So we only covered we only covered the two ways that water shares information.
• 44:09
  SPEAKER_00: It's important to add the third.
• 44:11
  SPEAKER_00: The third is where I'm getting more scientific attention from, and it helps us understand the messages, if you will, in water.
• 44:17
  SPEAKER_00: Because surprisingly, water actually has a language of symbols.
• 44:21
  SPEAKER_00: And it's not just some woo-woo thing.
• 44:24
  SPEAKER_00: I have the most repeat repeatability, repeatability of I don't know how many people have been doing this area of water research, but huge amount of repeatability.
• 44:35
  SPEAKER_00: To say I have one hydroglyph, I have to have seen the same symbol appear at least 50 times using the same.
• 44:42
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm using written words.
• 44:44
  SPEAKER_00: Written words, not just in English, but in lots of languages, the same word in multiple languages.
• 44:50
  SPEAKER_00: And if I see the same, and by by this, this whole thing goes like this.
• 44:54
  SPEAKER_00: I write the word, I put my dish of water on top of it for 30 seconds.
• 44:59
  SPEAKER_00: 30 seconds is my protocol.
• 45:00
  SPEAKER_00: It's not too long, it's not too short.
• 45:02
  SPEAKER_00: Water is not interested in what you're showing it if you're no longer interested in what you're showing it.
• 45:10
  SPEAKER_00: But if some people think that, oh, it's going to be much stronger imprint if I leave it for uh five hours or five years.
• 45:19
  SPEAKER_00: No, your attention span is what keeps you.
• 45:22
  SPEAKER_05: Ah okay.
• 45:24
  SPEAKER_05: Yes.
• 45:24
  SPEAKER_00: Your attention span is there, then the the connection is there.
• 45:31
  SPEAKER_00: And so I put the dish on top for 30 seconds, remove and freeze using my freezing method.
• 45:37
  SPEAKER_00: Now, someone could say, oh, well, now you're expecting to see this image, so now it's repeating because you're expecting it.
• 45:45
  SPEAKER_00: Well, firstly, by saying that you're saying what is reading my mind, I believe that it easily does that, but that is not what is happening.
• 45:54
  SPEAKER_00: And the reason why that is that is that the moment you have an expectation for the water to do what you want, you are shooting yourself in the foot.
• 46:04
  SPEAKER_00: Because in my experience of being prolific in this work, I would say that it actually doesn't help at all.
• 46:12
  SPEAKER_00: Your expectations actually stop the process.
• 46:18
  SPEAKER_00: Being neutral is the best way.
• 46:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 46:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 46:23
  SPEAKER_00: So if you are attached to the outcome, water will often show you something else.
• 46:28
  SPEAKER_00: Something else that will help you, but it might not be what you're hoping to see.
• 46:32
  SPEAKER_00: So this is the problem a lot of people that start with this work and go, you know, they they they don't have high expectations.
• 46:39
  SPEAKER_00: So they get amazing results.
• 46:43
  SPEAKER_00: Amazing.
• 46:44
  SPEAKER_00: And then they just think, oh, I know how to do this now.
• 46:46
  SPEAKER_00: I just I just do this and do this, and water's gonna now do this.
• 46:50
  SPEAKER_00: Because they're not thinking that water has an intelligence, they are assuming that the intelligence is just with them and that water is a machine that is imprinted, they're imprinting on it, and therefore it's just going to show.
• 47:03
  SPEAKER_00: No, that is not my experience.
• 47:06
  SPEAKER_00: Water is not reacting, it is responding, and it can decide if you want to use that term, I don't know another term, to show you what you are going to see that is going to best benefit you.
• 47:20
  SPEAKER_00: And so it has kicked me in my butt so many times when you know my ego's got, oh, I am, you know, I let me show you I can do this, and then it won't do it.
• 47:31
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, oh, that's right.
• 47:33
  SPEAKER_00: This is not just some joke.
• 47:35
  SPEAKER_00: This is something I need to actually take seriously, and I need to become neutral and not attached to the outcome.
• 47:41
  SPEAKER_00: So actually, sorry.
• 47:45
  SPEAKER_05: It's uh it's so important to say it, and just because I know through following your work so much, just when you talk about water having intelligence and a consciousness, it is like it's not just holding information that that's how you're describing it there, that it can choose to, you know, whether it is choosing or not, but there is a a respect and almost like I want to say the words ebb and flow, like there's that communication between you, and if you're able to stay neutral, then it will present the information that it wants to present to you.
• 48:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, well, it's a conversation, and I would I would say that it's not that I just think that water alone is conscious, I think water in its multiple forms, and I've been working with some incredible people, and some of the most inspiring people I have been working with come from the autistic beyond verbal community.
• 48:37
  SPEAKER_00: The people I'm working with like that term beyond verbal, um, and they can communicate through letterboard, so they can type, they can, they can use a letterboard, but they're also telepathic, and they have they are tuned into other realms of consciousness.
• 48:52
  SPEAKER_00: And to me, they've been just so helpful.
• 48:55
  SPEAKER_00: I'm writing my PhD, and like for my work, the air the tributaries that they've been help helped me go down, like the connections between amniotic fluid, I've always thought that that held ancestral information, but to talk to them to an expanded way that they view amniotic fluid, saying that even if we were to study more about amniotic fluid, we would actually not only find traces of DNA from our ancestors, but even for the um the beings that have come to uh stand with us, like angels or you know, whoever it is that is meant to be our protectors in the spirit world, like they've gone into so much detail that has been quite even to one person was talking about how just our observation, looking for water on Mars, is seeding water on Mars.
• 49:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, and you know, it's it's so huge.
• 49:59
  SPEAKER_00: So these amazing young people who people sadly just overlook and think don't have anything going on, have such wealth of information.
• 50:08
  SPEAKER_00: We found this way that they can communicate.
• 50:10
  SPEAKER_00: And part of my documentary is the interviews we've done with them, which is just about water, and it's just so they are all saying there are at least seven stages of water.
• 50:19
  SPEAKER_00: But one young man I work with, Brandon, says there are 10.
• 50:23
  SPEAKER_00: And then he expanded on that in the last webinar I was just talking about because you see telepathy in real time, you get to meet the people I've been working with, you get to see symbolics, he kind of like oh, and you can see how engaged they are, they're with their parents.
• 50:38
  SPEAKER_00: We're not they're not being coerced, they're not, they just have so much knowledge, and it's very true and real.
• 50:47
  SPEAKER_00: So I've been inspired by that, and so why I'm going about the consciousness thing is actually, I think it could be that water is consciousness, not in the way we know it, and that is also because water and creator are so intimately intertwined that they seem to be like one, and then you go into like water and spirit, and how when someone passes, or when someone even is dreaming or has an out-of-body experience of as well, astral travels, or any of that kind of stuff.
• 51:21
  SPEAKER_00: When you few few believe that someone has a soul or a spirit and that when they die, they move somewhere.
• 51:28
  SPEAKER_00: Lots of people believe this, including me.
• 51:32
  SPEAKER_00: And so uh I would say, well, how does the transition happen?
• 51:38
  SPEAKER_00: If you look into water and you understand that we probably know not just like a pin drop about water, which means we only know that much about ourselves.
• 51:51
  SPEAKER_00: When you watch water evaporate, it very much looks like for the people that can see spirit, they talk about it looking more cloud-like or like vapor, or they can make it out in these kinds of ways.
• 52:06
  SPEAKER_00: People that see people transition from one state to another describe them in this way.
• 52:10
  SPEAKER_00: I think there is a type of vibrational vapor that the essence of our consciousness and our spirit or soul transitions from one state to another simply through a type of vibrational vapor, if you will.
• 52:23
  SPEAKER_00: And if it is a type of gas, when a gas expands, it cools, which is why we feel spirit has cold.
• 52:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, and then transitions and becomes fully expansive as the observer.
• 52:35
  SPEAKER_00: And I think one of the most spiritual aspects of water is the observer, is the witness, because we can uh observe ourselves whilst being in this body as well, and I think that's a very interesting thing because everything we experience is in two worlds, the one we live on and the one we live in.
• 52:56
  SPEAKER_00: And this one we live in is how we experience the one we live on.
• 53:00
  SPEAKER_00: We see through the eyes, we hear through the ears, we we we taste through the tongue, we smell through the nose, we touch through the the senses of the hands, for example.
• 53:11
  SPEAKER_00: All of it is felt within.
• 53:14
  SPEAKER_00: Every part of those things we think in, we think, we think in our head.
• 53:18
  SPEAKER_00: We have all of this, but where do we actually experience anything outside of this container that is the body?
• 53:25
  SPEAKER_00: Well, we can observe ourselves.
• 53:27
  SPEAKER_00: People that have had these near-death experiences have this sense of rising and looking down and being unattached to the body, simply being an observer before going on for other things.
• 53:38
  SPEAKER_00: We can have experiences of out-of-body experiences through various different ways, through meditation, some go through different psychedelic experiences and have an observation of themselves.
• 53:50
  SPEAKER_00: My son um broke his wrist skateboarding, he had to go to hospital, and uh the doctors gave him something called ketamine, so that he was kind of still there, but they had to, you know, work on his um wrist and put a cast on it.
• 54:07
  SPEAKER_00: And I was sitting there and he says, Was Rama?
• 54:10
  SPEAKER_00: My son, he's gonna be there, but he's not gonna be there.
• 54:13
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, Oh god, okay.
• 54:14
  SPEAKER_00: I never seen this before.
• 54:17
  SPEAKER_00: You know, he put it in his vein and it was like one, two, three, Rama was gone.
• 54:22
  SPEAKER_00: He was like, what the?
• 54:24
  SPEAKER_00: And then he was eyes were like bulging and he was he was looking around.
• 54:28
  SPEAKER_00: Scary looking at it.
• 54:30
  SPEAKER_00: It was kind of weird to be honest.
• 54:31
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, after he finally came around, um, I was like, my god, what was it like?
• 54:37
  SPEAKER_00: And he said, Oh mom, I was I was looking at myself.
• 54:41
  SPEAKER_00: He said, I was looking watching myself being worked on.
• 54:45
  SPEAKER_00: I was looking at you, joking with the with the surgeon guy.
• 54:48
  SPEAKER_00: And then he said, and then he went into some wormholes and did all kinds of other things, but he essentially became the observer of himself.
• 54:54
  SPEAKER_00: And I said, Yes, did you ever experience something like that before?
• 54:58
  SPEAKER_00: And he said, Oh, yeah, quite a lot.
• 55:00
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, What don't I know?
• 55:03
  SPEAKER_00: What's going on?
• 55:04
  SPEAKER_00: And I said, when?
• 55:05
  SPEAKER_00: And he said, At school.
• 55:06
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, what are they doing at school?
• 55:08
  SPEAKER_00: And he goes, Yeah, I get so bored sometimes, like listening to the teacher that I just come out of myself and like look at look at everybody's heads.
• 55:16
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, Yes, my son has said things like this too.
• 55:20
  SPEAKER_01: This is crazy.
• 55:22
  SPEAKER_00: How can we do this?
• 55:23
  SPEAKER_00: This is all the relationship that our spirit, our essence, our consciousness has with water, with water in states we just haven't yet identified.
• 55:34
  SPEAKER_00: I believe we will be identifying more states in the near future.
• 55:39
  SPEAKER_00: I do believe that.
• 55:40
  SPEAKER_00: I don't see any reason why this vibrational state cannot be perceived, not be photographed in some way or filmed.
• 55:50
  SPEAKER_00: So I am hopeful that in the future we will be able to see this.
• 55:54
  SPEAKER_00: And the autistic uh beyond verbal uh community that I've been working with talk about this stage.
• 55:59
  SPEAKER_00: They talk about even thought as being a state of water.
• 56:05
  SPEAKER_00: And also that when two frequencies come together to create light, that is a state of water.
• 56:11
  SPEAKER_00: I think intuition is a state of water, and there's many reasons I say all of these things.
• 56:16
  SPEAKER_00: And one example that I would give you is when I put my thumb into the water and remove it and freeze it, what you see is an imprint of the thumb with a perfect nail and the little wrinkles you have, you know, around the knuckle.
• 56:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 56:28
  SPEAKER_00: But in the ice thumb picture, there is a chip in the nail very clearly.
• 56:33
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I chipped my nail in exactly the same place three hours later.
• 56:38
  SPEAKER_00: And this is not the first time I've seen this.
• 56:41
  SPEAKER_00: Water is not stuck in time and space the way we think it might be, or the way we might have been taught.
• 56:47
  SPEAKER_00: In fact, it it this is not even new.
• 56:50
  SPEAKER_00: In ancient Sumerian times, in ancient Egypt, they would do something where which was called hydromancy, where they would look into the waters to tell the future.
• 56:59
  SPEAKER_00: The Oracle of Delphi was looking into the waters to tell someone's future, but it isn't limited to the future, this now moment, or what we would term as the past.
• 57:10
  SPEAKER_00: I've collected water from um an area where there was a lot of Maori settlement.
• 57:16
  SPEAKER_00: And my father's native New Zealand, Maori from New Zealand here.
• 57:20
  SPEAKER_00: And I thought, oh, that's you know, let's just see what it shows.
• 57:23
  SPEAKER_00: And it designed this image, which as soon as I saw this image was so clear, and I said, that looks just like a Maori Pataka, which is like a Maori food storage hut, which is on these um long poles, and it's like a little hut, and they would store food and uh water in gourds quite often in there.
• 57:45
  SPEAKER_00: And I and there was also like an image of another one behind it, and I'm like, you know what?
• 57:50
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna go and see if I can find any historical pictures that even look like anything like this, like you know, this this is too clear for it not to be to be something.
• 58:01
  SPEAKER_00: So I it wasn't long before I found a sketch that was done from a period of time in the 1800s where um where where it's like when was it like 1890 or something like that, or in the early 1900s.
• 58:14
  SPEAKER_00: I can't remember the exact date, sorry.
• 58:17
  SPEAKER_00: But anyway, it basically was of of an air, the area close to where I took the water from, and there was this partucker there that the sketch was there, it looked exactly like the images that I've taken.
• 58:29
  SPEAKER_00: I put them side by side and it's undeniable.
• 58:33
  SPEAKER_00: And the details are absolutely phenomenal.
• 58:35
  SPEAKER_00: And water would have been taken in gourds and held in these partukas, which was probably why we saw them, which was what the relevance to water was, but that was over a hundred years ago, and so you have this beautiful kind of like well, it's not just the past, the present, or the future, it's all on this expansive, like it's not limited.
• 58:59
  SPEAKER_00: In fact, sometimes I think we talk about water as water having memory, but actually, I think, well, maybe water's dreamy, maybe water's an agony.
• 59:08
  SPEAKER_00: Why is it just memory?
• 59:11
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, there is this whole thing and intuition, you know, that hit we get when it's like, oh, I'm maybe I shouldn't do this thing.
• 59:19
  SPEAKER_00: But your mind says, Oh, but come on, you know, you gotta do it because so-and-so expects you to be there.
• 59:24
  SPEAKER_00: And then when you don't listen to your intuition, especially about someone, and you and and and you you just override it with whatever logic there might be, and you always wish, oh, I wish I just listened to my intuition, because it never sees you wrong when it's real intuition.
• 59:39
  SPEAKER_00: But how is that?
• 59:40
  SPEAKER_00: It's like what our our incredible liquid crystal water system, and I say that because we are an ocean, we are not fresh water.
• 59:49
  SPEAKER_00: I don't work with distilled water because it lacks the salts and minerals.
• 59:52
  SPEAKER_00: So distilled water just shows a signature pattern of distilled water.
• 59:57
  SPEAKER_00: I never see complex imagery in it.
• 1:00:00
  SPEAKER_00: I think the salts and minerals help the water to store information for longer.
• 1:00:04
  SPEAKER_00: It's specific to this crystallographic method.
• 1:00:08
  SPEAKER_00: And salt, just like water, is a shape-shifter.
• 1:00:11
  SPEAKER_00: You put salt into water, oh, it disappears.
• 1:00:13
  SPEAKER_00: But now it's given water this electrical component.
• 1:00:17
  SPEAKER_00: But if you evaporate the water, and now you see the salt, here it is back in its cubic form.
• 1:00:24
  SPEAKER_00: So it didn't really die, it just shape-shifted.
• 1:00:27
  SPEAKER_00: And water doesn't die, it shape shifts.
• 1:00:29
  SPEAKER_00: We use this term, it's polluted, it's dead water.
• 1:00:31
  SPEAKER_00: No, it's not.
• 1:00:32
  SPEAKER_00: It's just in a state that's not very, very cohesive, it will evaporate and change.
• 1:00:38
  SPEAKER_00: It reincarnates for all to see all the time.
• 1:00:42
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, I love that you say that that it is that it's reincarnating the cycle of water, it absolutely is, it's going round and round and round.
• 1:00:52
  SPEAKER_00: A friend of mine, Moses Hackman, says that the cycle of water is the cycle of the soul.
• 1:00:57
  SPEAKER_05: Beautiful.
• 1:00:59
  SPEAKER_05: We are so conscious of your your time and you are so generous with it.
• 1:01:03
  SPEAKER_05: But I would love to ask you a little bit of a kind of a philosophical question if I can.
• 1:01:09
  SPEAKER_05: Um, with everything that you have learned about water and ever and the way that water speaks to you, what do you think that it's trying to either teach or tell humanity right now?
• 1:01:23
  SPEAKER_00: Um coincidence that now we have this ability to connect with water in an entirely new way.
• 1:01:37
  SPEAKER_00: And what I see is that water is a divine mirror, and that as we begin to connect with the waters, because in ancient times water wasn't even called water, it was called the waters, and then it was reduced to H2O, you know, over the course of time.
• 1:01:57
  SPEAKER_00: It became the waters when people saw their waste getting taken away when Romans brought plumbing into creation, and then they called it water instead of the waters.
• 1:02:07
  SPEAKER_00: And the only place now in the English language where the waters or waters is used is when we say her waters broke, which is just this memory that we used to revere water in an entirely different way.
• 1:02:18
  SPEAKER_00: So the waters is making this renaissance.
• 1:02:23
  SPEAKER_00: You know, the amount of people that have that have been interested in this work and knowing that they too can do this, it is Water's way of reminding us that we are also coming into this new age.
• 1:02:37
  SPEAKER_00: I work with many beautiful people, one of which is called Pam Pam Gregory, and she's just a beautiful soul.
• 1:02:45
  SPEAKER_00: And we are in this age of Aquarius where the waters are being poured out.
• 1:02:51
  SPEAKER_00: Finally, the knowledge, the wisdom, the love is being poured out into humanity.
• 1:02:59
  SPEAKER_00: And we're together, this isn't just about me and my relationship with water, anybody can do this, and that is the beauty is that we have all these young waterbearers of our future coming into a new time, and we, I think, have lost in many ways our relationship to the ancient understanding of water, which are all our ancestors, our ancestors are with us, cheering us on on this journey, going, hang on, you know this.
• 1:03:33
  SPEAKER_00: This this feeling of like, I get this, I know this.
• 1:03:36
  SPEAKER_00: So many people tell me that oh yeah, water is not only life, but this word living keeps coming up.
• 1:03:44
  SPEAKER_00: It has life, it is a life-giving, but has life.
• 1:03:59
  SPEAKER_00: And so water is beginning to remind us that love and hope are two words that are what water is, and I believe we really only need about one to two percent of humanity, which is about the amount of water we have on the surface of earth that we can actually drink that's not saline or polluted or anything.
• 1:04:26
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm not talking about the primary water inside of the earth's mantle, that's a whole separate conversation, but just from the water that we drink on the surface of earth, it's about one to two percent, is all we have.
• 1:04:37
  SPEAKER_00: That's all we need to have that amount of people in this world start to realize that water is the divine mirror of which works through us, and that water is not just something outside of us, but water is something within us, within us that is communicating and can communicate to all living things, from plants to animals to aliens to whatever you want to connect with, and that is a language which now actually can be seen in symbology, and not only that, but water is reminding us that it is a medicine, it is the medicine of our future if we just start to understand that this water that we are so fortunate to have, and that is just so incredibly divine that people knew was so divine, was all tears are holy water.
• 1:05:37
  SPEAKER_00: You are a body of holy water.
• 1:05:40
  SPEAKER_00: What are you going to do with this body, this animation inside of you?
• 1:05:45
  SPEAKER_00: And it comes down back to love.
• 1:05:48
  SPEAKER_00: And that might sound a little corny, but it is not corny because love is everything that we all want.
• 1:05:53
  SPEAKER_00: Purpose, love, hope.
• 1:05:55
  SPEAKER_00: This is all of the qualities and aspects that water shows us, and within my work I would say that water is reminding us of our own divinity and our own capabilities.
• 1:06:07
  SPEAKER_00: It doesn't matter how much money you've got, what clothes you have, doesn't matter what religion you are, it doesn't matter about any of this stuff, whether you are sick or well, who cares?
• 1:06:18
  SPEAKER_00: Water doesn't see you as sick or well or rich or poor.
• 1:06:24
  SPEAKER_00: It doesn't see you like that.
• 1:06:26
  SPEAKER_00: It is transparent.
• 1:06:28
  SPEAKER_00: It knows all your thoughts because your thoughts travel through it.
• 1:06:32
  SPEAKER_00: It knows you from the moment you were conceived to the moment that you pass on.
• 1:06:36
  SPEAKER_00: It never leaves you.
• 1:06:38
  SPEAKER_00: It is the one thing that knows you more than any other thing in this entire planet.
• 1:06:44
  SPEAKER_00: And we just forget about it.
• 1:06:49
  SPEAKER_00: And so it's that reminder that we are never ever alone.
• 1:06:54
  SPEAKER_00: We have trillions of water set molecules in our body and they're all cheering for us.
• 1:07:00
  SPEAKER_00: And they know if you are unwell you can heal.
• 1:07:04
  SPEAKER_00: You can thoughts become things.
• 1:07:08
  SPEAKER_00: Water in all the crystallography I've seen and done prove that without a shadow of a doubt thoughts become things.
• 1:07:16
  SPEAKER_00: If you think you can or you think you can't you're right.
• 1:07:19
  SPEAKER_01: So take the limitations away and become like water like Bruce Lee says you know water becomes the car it becomes the teapot what are you going to become water has become you what does that mean to you now wow what a way to finish oh my god so beautiful for anyone that has just had their mind blown um head to the show notes we are going to put all of the links to all of to Vader's work obviously the documentary we will be sharing how you as a listener can support Vader my god we would love to do a screening over here in Australia if you ever fancy that by the way I would love that I would love okay we will chat and and Ireland you know Ireland is somewhere I've never been I've been invited so warmly by so many people I have to get there honestly and you need to let me know when you're coming I will I will reach out to Danielle and my lovely yes get that up so fascinating keep doing this work like it's just amazing um for everyone listening yes wow please share what your your thoughts on this um I know that you're gonna love it as much as we did.
• 1:08:42
  SPEAKER_05: Veda thank you so much have an amazing day today thank you you're very welcome if you have enjoyed this episode or are a diehard fan of the show make sure to subscribe right now so you don't miss out on future episodes and to share the love you can give us an awesome five star review.
• 1:09:01
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