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“Devin’s Gate.” · Pod Save America

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  Speaker 1: Hey guys, Tommy Vitor here.
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  Speaker 2: I'm hosting a new podcast called World Corrupt with my
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  Speaker 2: friend Roger Bennett from the Men in Blazers podcast. Soccer
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  Speaker 2: week on World Corrupt, Roger and I will explore what
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  Speaker 3: Welcome to Pod Save America. I'm Jon Favreau.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Tommy Vitor. I'm Jon Lovett.
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  Speaker 4: I'm Alyssa Mastromonaco.
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  Speaker 2: Yes!
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  Speaker 1: Yay!
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  Speaker 3: Alyssa guest host.
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  Speaker 4: You're never getting rid of me.
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  Speaker 2: Now, are you on the phone or in upstate New
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  Speaker 2: York or are you in Los Angeles right now?
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  Speaker 4: I'm staring into your baby blue eyes, Tommy Vitor.
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  Speaker 3: She's got a very LA sort of juice with her.
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  Speaker 4: Yet I'm dressed like I go to a prep school
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  Speaker 4: in New England.
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  Speaker 3: It took us a long time to stop doing that.
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  Speaker 1: I think that that sweater is cool.
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  Speaker 4: Wait, do you see the pants? Yeah, they're like Archie Bunker,
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  Speaker 4: but dope.
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  Speaker 1: You're stylish. Is it a tartan?
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  Speaker 4: It's a bit of a tartan.
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  Speaker 1: What is that?
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  Speaker 4: A plaid.
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  Speaker 3: On the pod today, we have a number of developing
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  Speaker 3: stories while we wait for impeachment, including the release of
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  Speaker 3: the Department of Justice Inspector General's report on the origins
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  Speaker 3: of the Russia investigation and a shooting at a Navy
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  Speaker 3: base in Pensacola. We'll also talk about all the latest
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  Speaker 3: 2020 news. Before that, a few quick housekeeping notes.
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  Speaker 1: Love it.
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  Speaker 3: How was the show on Friday?
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  Speaker 1: We're doing these late shows, all right? Very loose. Brett Gelman, hilarious.
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  Speaker 1: Riri Chaney, hilarious. It was a great episode.
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  Speaker 3: Check it out.
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  Speaker 1: That's an all-star panel. They were awesome. Brett was so funny.
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  Speaker 3: Finally, a plea from your friends at Crooked Media. Protecting
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  Speaker 3: right now to win in 2020. Right now, we're $ 400, 000
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  Speaker 3: on the ground fighting voter suppression in every single battleground state.
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  Speaker 1: That's unimpeachable math.
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  Speaker 3: Unimpeachable math. Just a couple dollars.
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  Speaker 1: I can do it.
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  Speaker 3: Everyone listening right now, it's not that hard.
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  Speaker 4: I'm going to do it today.
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  Speaker 3: Alyssa's going to do it today.
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  Speaker 4: I'm going to do it today.
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  Speaker 3: Stacey Abrams will thank you.
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  Speaker 1: You want to help Stacey Abrams? Or do you want
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  Speaker 1: to be selfish?
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  Speaker 3: I think that's right.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: VoteSaveAmerica.com slash Fair Fight.
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  Speaker 1: All right.
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  Speaker 3: I just want to make sure everyone's up to speed
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  Speaker 3: on where we are with impeachment before we move on
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  Speaker 3: to some of the other important stories out there. Over
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  Speaker 3: the weekend, House Judiciary Committee released a report laying out
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  Speaker 3: the constitutional grounds for impeachment. which argue that Trump's Ukraine
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  Speaker 3: scheme could constitute bribery and an impeachable abuse of power. Today,
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  Speaker 3: as we're recording this, the Judiciary Committee is holding another
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  Speaker 3: public hearing where they'll hear evidence from lawyers for both
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  Speaker 3: the Judiciary and Intel committees that will help them decide
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  Speaker 3: how to frame the articles of impeachment, including whether they
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  Speaker 3: should include an article of impeachment about Trump's obstruction of
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  Speaker 3: justice in the Mueller probe. And Jerry Nadler has said
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  Speaker 3: his committee might vote on these articles of impeachment by
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  Speaker 3: the end of this week. We've talked a lot about
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  Speaker 3: impeachment on this podcast, but Alyssa, we haven't talked about
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  Speaker 3: it with you yet. What do you think? Do you
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  Speaker 3: agree with the New York Times headline from Sunday that
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  Speaker 3: impeachment has devolved into a partisan brawl?
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  Speaker 4: I mean, for fuck's sake. Well, so far, my favorite
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  Speaker 4: thing that I've seen today is that Castor showed up
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  Speaker 4: with all of his, the lawyer.
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  Speaker 1: The GOP lawyer.
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  Speaker 4: The GOP lawyer showed up with all of his papers
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  Speaker 4: for the day in a recyclable grocery bag.
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  Speaker 1: Kind of endearing.
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  Speaker 4: You know what? I just say, like, that's highly relatable.
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  Speaker 4: I really enjoyed it, and I'm not going to mock
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  Speaker 4: him for it.
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  Speaker 3: Very Hillstaffer. Went to the Whole Foods on P in
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  Speaker 3: the morning, put stuff in there. Probably his gym clothes.
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  Speaker 1: Are in there, too.
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  Speaker 4: I'm going to say it was a Trader Joe's.
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  Speaker 1: There's... Definitely. You can definitely see him with a bag
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  Speaker 1: dropping to the ground with avocados and incriminating evidence rolling out.
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  Speaker 4: See, I had a different view.
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  Speaker 1: In front of Logan Tavern.
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  Speaker 4: I thought, oh boy. I had a terrible experience outside
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  Speaker 4: of Logan Tavern once. No, I feel like he was
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  Speaker 4: maybe more like me and was like, you know what?
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  Speaker 4: It's going to be a long day. I'm going to
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  Speaker 4: pack a PB & J for an upper later.
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  Speaker 3: It does seem like it is a long day so
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  Speaker 3: far because I woke up and started watching this thing
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  Speaker 3: and Hours later, it's just still going. There's a lot
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  Speaker 3: of yelling today. The Judiciary Committee, the fucking Republicans on
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  Speaker 3: this committee are, look, their strategy is to, you know,
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  Speaker 3: turn people away and make people think that it's just
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  Speaker 3: a big partisan mess, and they are succeeding because they
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  Speaker 3: are just screaming and yelling about everything.
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  Speaker 4: Literally just with decibel level. It's like you can't mute
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  Speaker 4: your TV enough. It's either you're fully muted or they're
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  Speaker 4: screaming at you through the television.
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  Speaker 1: I would like once for the headline to read, uh,
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  Speaker 1: impeachment evolves into a partisan brawl. Because for a long time,
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  Speaker 1: the reason there wasn't a partisan brawl is because Democrats
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  Speaker 1: weren't pursuing impeachment and pursuing impeachment was the right thing
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  Speaker 1: to do. It has evolved into a partisan brawl. The
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  Speaker 1: partisan brawl is a step up from the lack of
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  Speaker 1: a brawl over these very important criminal issues that are
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  Speaker 1: currently in place.
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  Speaker 2: It's just, it's so frustrating to read that headline and
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  Speaker 2: see all these, you know, criticisms of Democrats on process
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  Speaker 2: grounds when Devin Nunes is was a fact witness who
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  Speaker 2: was on the phone with Rudy Giuliani's co-conspirators, never disclosed
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  Speaker 2: it during the hearings, and it just came to light
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  Speaker 2: because of some subpoenas.
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  Speaker 1: And Democrats are the ones who are creating the process files?
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  Speaker 1: Are you kidding me?
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  Speaker 3: Also, I just, the partisan brawl thing, it's so insane.
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  Speaker 3: And the New York Times story didn't even mention this,
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  Speaker 3: that like all the fact witnesses so far, the people
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  Speaker 3: who have done the most to incriminate Donald Trump are
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  Speaker 3: people who work for him. There are people in his administration,
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  Speaker 3: like maybe the Republicans in Congress are, you know, protecting him.
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  Speaker 1: Well, they are.
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  Speaker 3: But the people who work for him came and testified
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  Speaker 3: and they were incriminating.
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  Speaker 4: They were incriminating.
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  Speaker 1: Gordon Sondland had to catch a flight to continue being
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  Speaker 1: part of the Trump administration.
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  Speaker 3: After he said there was a quid pro quo.
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  Speaker 1: There was a quid pro quo. Now I have to
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  Speaker 1: get back to my job reporting to Donald Trump as
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  Speaker 1: his handpicked advisor.
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  Speaker 3: And everyone's like, oh, how partisan.
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  Speaker 1: And Rudy caught another flight to Ukraine where he's back
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  Speaker 1: at it.
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  Speaker 4: He's just there. It's like real world Kiev.
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  Speaker 1: Start getting real. You see that... The Intercept sent a
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  Speaker 1: reporter to a Republican fundraiser. Oh, really?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Lee Fang. Yeah. And it's he goes up to they
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  Speaker 1: go to Devin Nunes with and they're holding a camera
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  Speaker 1: to record him. And basically like, hey, this Lev Parnas thing.
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  Speaker 1: What the fuck? And Devin Nunes runs away. But then
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  Speaker 1: later in the in the in the they confront him again.
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  Speaker 1: And then Devin Nunes in this incredibly creepy way. takes
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  Speaker 1: out his phone to start taking pictures. And his hand
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  Speaker 1: is shaking.
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  Speaker 3: He looks like a fucking lunatic.
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  Speaker 1: And the reporter just laughs being like, what's happening? What
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  Speaker 1: are you doing? What are you capturing?
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  Speaker 2: Lee Fang also, I don't know him, but on Twitter
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  Speaker 2: he's like tough, dogged, intense guy.
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  Speaker 1: He's so polite. He couldn't have been more professional in
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  Speaker 1: this little moment.
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  Speaker 4: Well, that's the most off-putting to old Devin. He's like,
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  Speaker 4: what does he mean? Why is he trying to trick me?
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  Speaker 3: So per usual, Trump's been doing everything he can to
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  Speaker 3: turn this around on Democrats. He does the, I'm not
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  Speaker 3: a criminal, you're a criminal, I'm not corrupt, you're corrupt.
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  Speaker 3: On Saturday, he said he was looking forward to the
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  Speaker 3: Inspector General report. Inspector General Michael Hurwitz, who is the
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  Speaker 3: Justice Department's independent watchdog, did an investigation about whether the
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  Speaker 3: FBI's investigation into Trump's campaign was legal and proper. Trump
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  Speaker 3: and his fellow cultists have long believed that it was
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  Speaker 3: some deep state Obama plot against him that he was
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  Speaker 3: being spied on. Well, today the report has been released
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  Speaker 3: and it says the FBI was right to investigate Trump's campaign,
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  Speaker 3: refuting every right wing conspiracy theory out there. It found
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  Speaker 3: no political bias, said the investigation was properly launched. It
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  Speaker 3: was proper to seek surveillance on Carter Page. But what
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  Speaker 3: they did find is the FBI was sloppy on parts
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  Speaker 3: of the application itself. for surveillance on Page. That's all
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  Speaker 3: they found.
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  Speaker 2: Lovett had his head in his hands like Macaulay Culkin.
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  Speaker 1: I just wanted to shout when you called it a cult,
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  Speaker 1: Devon's Gate, Devon's Gate. It just happened, and I was
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  Speaker 1: waiting for a pause.
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  Speaker 3: Devon's Gate, title.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know what happened, and it came over me.
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  Speaker 1: Found it.
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  Speaker 3: Isn't this a political disaster for Trump and the Republicans?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, come on.
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  Speaker 4: Yes. I mean, in any other world, you know, if
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  Speaker 4: it were five years ago, this would be a disaster
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  Speaker 4: for whomever it was about because it's terrible. And also recall,
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  Speaker 4: this was launched by who again? Our favorite apple cheek
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  Speaker 4: hate goblin, Jeff Sessions. This wasn't this was not some
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  Speaker 4: like Nancy Pelosi, like as they would have you believe
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  Speaker 4: it was it was launched by Jeff Sessions and proved that.
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  Speaker 3: Well, also, I mean, Barr and Trump for the longest
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  Speaker 3: time have been saying, like, just wait till you get
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  Speaker 3: that Horowitz report. The Horowitz report is going to be great.
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  Speaker 3: It's going to be great stuff. Oh, blah. And then today,
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  Speaker 3: as soon as it's released, Barr releases a statement.
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  Speaker 4: He had some shit to say.
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  Speaker 3: Barr releases a statement disagreeing with Horowitz, which it's not
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  Speaker 3: totally surprising, but I guess I'm a little surprised at
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  Speaker 3: how blatant Barr has become at just being like, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I'm a hack. I'm a hatchet man for this guy.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not even going to pretend. That I'm the attorney
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  Speaker 3: general of the United States and not the president's personal lawyer.
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  Speaker 4: He literally said today it was that the investigation was
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  Speaker 4: launched on the thinnest of suspicions.
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  Speaker 1: Well, the thing that Barr's statement has, it has a phrase,
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  Speaker 1: in my view, which is doing so much work inside
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  Speaker 1: of the statement because it's actually not what's in the report.
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  Speaker 1: The report finds the opposite, but he says, in my view,
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  Speaker 1: because they're still working on their second report, which is
• 10:05
  Speaker 1: going to be God only knows what. Durham investigation.
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  Speaker 3: What do you think, Tommy?
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  Speaker 2: I just think you have to remember, imagine you were
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  Speaker 2: in the FBI in that moment. You have George Papadopoulos
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  Speaker 2: drunk in London bragging to some Australian guy that the Russians.
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  Speaker 1: Have told her emails.
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  Speaker 2: You have known idiot Carter Page We have Russian spies
• 10:22
  Speaker 2: on tape, on wiretaps, saying they tried to recruit him,
• 10:25
  Speaker 2: but he was too stupid. He's now in the Trump campaign.
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  Speaker 2: It would have been a dereliction of duty for them
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  Speaker 2: not to pursue this and try to figure out what's happening.
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  Speaker 2: And then we all know what happened in history, which
• 10:35
  Speaker 2: is the Russians interfered in this historical way. So, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I just, look, there is a broader conversation to have
• 10:41
  Speaker 2: about FISA abuse and FISA reform and wiretapping generally. But
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  Speaker 2: Trump has been promoting this like it's some MAGA guy's book.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: He thinks this is going to be some explosive like
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  Speaker 2: Dan Bongino's report or whatever. And it clearly did not
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  Speaker 2: deliver what they want. I don't think it will matter
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  Speaker 2: because he will. What Trump wants is an open investigation.
• 11:02
  Speaker 2: And to be able to point to an investigation, he
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  Speaker 2: doesn't actually care about the results because he can distort
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  Speaker 2: it however he wants.
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  Speaker 3: And, you know, it's important to understand this wasn't just,
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  Speaker 3: you know, from QAnon to Trump. It was also all
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  Speaker 3: of Trump's intellectual zambonis. This was Hugh Hewitt, Andrew McCarthy,
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  Speaker 3: the fucking Rich Lowry, all that crowd that pretends to
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  Speaker 3: still be somewhat legitimate. They all thought that this was
• 11:25
  Speaker 3: going to be a big bombshell, too, and it was not.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so here's what I think is going to happen next.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like there's three things that you take from
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  Speaker 1: the report. One, the big story. Don't take it from me.
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  Speaker 1: Take it from Chris Wallace on Fox News, who said
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  Speaker 1: the big headline is basically, The claims of bias, the
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  Speaker 1: claims of the hoax, all the claims, the conspiracy theories
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  Speaker 1: have been debunked. Then there's the other pieces of it
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  Speaker 1: that sort of like there are details that are just
• 11:46
  Speaker 1: a little bit worse for Trump, like the fact that
• 11:48
  Speaker 1: Christopher Steele was getting buddy-buddy with Ivanka and met her
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  Speaker 1: at Trump Tower.
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  Speaker 3: Ivanka almost hired, this is what the report says, Ivanka
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  Speaker 3: almost hired Chris Steele to do research on the Trump
• 12:00
  Speaker 3: family business dealings before the campaign so they could have
• 12:03
  Speaker 3: like self-research. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And then the third piece of this, which is what
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  Speaker 1: I think you will now see all the right-wingers talk about,
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  Speaker 1: is that they found problems inside of the FISA process,
• 12:14
  Speaker 1: problems that civil libertarians have been pointing out for a
• 12:16
  Speaker 1: very long time. So you basically have claims that there
• 12:19
  Speaker 1: was an anti-Trump bias at the heart of these investigations
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  Speaker 1: that's been debunked. You have details that are worse for Trump.
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  Speaker 1: And then you have problems inside of the FISA process
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  Speaker 1: that actually don't have a partisan vector or a Trump vector.
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  Speaker 3: Civil libertarians have been talking about, like you said, Tommy,
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  Speaker 3: problems with the FISA process for a long, long time.
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  Speaker 3: So there's a separate conversation you can have about that.
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  Speaker 1: Of course. And that conservatives have never cared about forever.
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  Speaker 1: Except for like Rand Paul. Except for like, well, right.
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  Speaker 1: The civil libertarians and the libertarians have cared about it.
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  Speaker 1: That they will now take this sort of problem inside
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  Speaker 1: of the FISA process as the big thing, the big proof.
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  Speaker 1: Look at all these problems. Look at how they targeted
• 12:58
  Speaker 1: Trump associates, Trump campaign. This is the real issue when,
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  Speaker 1: of course, the report finds the opposite.
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  Speaker 3: And just a preview of coming attractions here. So there's obviously,
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  Speaker 3: as you referenced, a separate investigation that Barr has a
• 13:10
  Speaker 3: handpicked U.S. attorney, John Durham, that is out traveling around
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  Speaker 3: the world trying to figure out something to help Trump
• 13:19
  Speaker 3: when it comes to the origins of the Russia investigation,
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  Speaker 3: the Mueller investigation. And that investigation is not over yet.
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  Speaker 3: But John Durham put out a statement today saying that
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  Speaker 3: he disagrees also with some of the findings of the
• 13:31
  Speaker 3: IG report, which, like, if you're in the middle of
• 13:33
  Speaker 3: the investigation, why are you releasing a statement trying to
• 13:35
  Speaker 3: shape the media narrative after the Inspector General report? That
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  Speaker 3: doesn't seem too on the fucking level.
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  Speaker 1: Does it? It's pretty amazing.
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  Speaker 3: No one should take this report seriously when it comes out,
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  Speaker 3: and if you're a reporter who does, you should be embarrassed.
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  Speaker 1: Right. Well, of course, I mean, the only thing that's
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  Speaker 1: surprising is that Barr... and Durham didn't try to get
• 13:52
  Speaker 1: their purport out first, because that's what they did with
• 13:54
  Speaker 1: the Mueller report, right? It's a reverse sequence. Now we're
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  Speaker 1: getting the kind of larger look. But of course, imagine
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  Speaker 1: if it had gone the other way, if we got
• 14:02
  Speaker 1: the Barr-Durham report with all these sort of specious indictments
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  Speaker 1: of Democrats in the process before we got the actual
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  Speaker 1: IG report.
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  Speaker 2: The Ivanka piece of this, it just reminds you that
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  Speaker 2: the origins of Steele being tasked to look into Trump
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  Speaker 2: were because a bunch of conservatives were trying to stop him.
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't liberals.
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  Speaker 2: The conservatives passed the investigation off to the DNC or
• 14:22
  Speaker 2: whomever at some point along the way. The other thing
• 14:25
  Speaker 2: this reminds you, because there's some text messages that came
• 14:27
  Speaker 2: out that are decidedly pro-Trump from one FBI official to another.
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  Speaker 2: The FBI is a pro-Trump organization. It's a bunch of
• 14:34
  Speaker 2: old white guys who love law enforcement. Particularly this New
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  Speaker 2: York office, which everyone is worried about.
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  Speaker 3: I just want to read one of the text messages
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  Speaker 3: after we had to go through the whole fucking Peter
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  Speaker 3: struck Lisa page bullshit, which a lot of reporters, a
• 14:46
  Speaker 3: lot of nonpartisan reporters bought into when the text messages
• 14:49
  Speaker 3: came out. Here's, here's one of the messages from an
• 14:51
  Speaker 3: FBI agent to another. I'm so elated with the election.
• 14:54
  Speaker 3: It's like watching a Superbowl comeback. It was energizing to
• 14:57
  Speaker 3: me to see because I didn't want a criminal to
• 14:59
  Speaker 3: be in the white house talking about Hillary Clinton. Un-fucking-believable. And,
• 15:05
  Speaker 3: and what did the FBI do? They, I mean, of course,
• 15:07
  Speaker 3: Jim Comey did announce that he was reopening the investigation
• 15:10
  Speaker 3: a couple of weeks later. before the election. So, yeah, exactly.
• 15:14
  Speaker 3: Did help Trump win the election. Unbelievable. All right. So
• 15:18
  Speaker 3: there was another very odd and somewhat alarming response from
• 15:22
  Speaker 3: President Trump over the weekend. This after a Saudi airman
• 15:25
  Speaker 3: opened fire at a naval base in Pensacola, Florida, killing
• 15:28
  Speaker 3: three and injuring eight before he was killed by police.
• 15:31
  Speaker 3: The attacker was at the base to receive training from
• 15:33
  Speaker 3: the U.S. military and the firearm that he used was
• 15:36
  Speaker 3: purchased legally. The FBI is investigating it as an act
• 15:39
  Speaker 3: of terrorism. Trump's national security advisor was on CBS this
• 15:43
  Speaker 3: weekend saying he believed it was terrorism, but Trump's first
• 15:45
  Speaker 3: response was to pass along the thoughts of Saudi crown
• 15:48
  Speaker 3: Prince Mohammed bin Salman tweeting that MBS quote, just called
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: to express his sincere condolences. The King said that the
• 15:54
  Speaker 3: Saudi people are greatly angered by the barbaric actions of
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: the shooter and that this person in no way, shape
• 15:58
  Speaker 3: or form represents the feelings of the Saudi people who
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: love American.
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: Sure. Very much.
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: Uh, Tommy, David Sanger wrote in the New York times
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: that the president's first instinct was to tamp down any
• 16:06
  Speaker 3: suggestion that the Saudi government needed to be held to account. Um,
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: Did you agree with Sanger's tank? And why do you
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: think Trump keeps protecting the Saudis? What is going on here?
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: I mean, historically, the U.S.
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: Has done a lot of training with Arab militaries, and
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: generally they're valuable because it helps professionalize the force and
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: it builds ties between these militaries. So, you know, like
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: there is a there's a policy reason you might want
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: to continue this kind of training. Why Trump would jump
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: out ahead of the Saudis committing to, I don't know,
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: give us the information we need to conduct a thorough
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: investigation is beyond me. One, what I would want to
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: know if I were providing some oversight over this is
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: what vetting is being done and what went wrong. Because
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: if these guys were watching shooting videos and this guy
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: actually did tweet a quote from Osama bin Laden right
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: before he went on this rampage, that speaks to a
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: serious problem in vetting.
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: Two, how did this guy get a fucking gun? Right?
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: Broader gun control question.
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: Three.
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: you know, I think we need to, you know, more
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: broadly rethink our relationship with Saudi Arabia. Generally, Mohammed bin
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: Salman is a tyrant with a sovereign wealth fund that
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: he ordered the assassination of a Washington Post journalist. So,
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: you know, Trump went all in on the Saudis early.
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: They were the linchpin of his Middle East policy when
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: it comes to terrorism, when it comes to Middle East
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: peace process. But look, cynical me, like I think it's
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: because they have a lot of cash and they buy
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: a lot of U.S.
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: Weapons.
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: And down the road, Boy, would I love to see
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: what Mohammed bin Salman and Jared Kushner text about because
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: I suspect there's lots of discussions of future real estate deals.
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: Trump Riyadh.
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: For sure. I mean, there's nothing. You don't need to
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: go any further than that. This is about some fucking
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: real estate in a year if we're lucky.
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: And in case you think that that's just like, oh,
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: that's just us having some conspiracy theory. Here's Trump during
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: the 2016 campaign, quote, Saudi Arabia, I get along with
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: all of them. They buy apartments from me. They spend
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: $ 40 million, $ 50 million. Am I supposed to dislike them?
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: I like them very much.
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: And also the biggest spenders at Trump DC Hotel.
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, right.
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: They bought tons of rooms that no one fills. $ 400, 000
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: in the inauguration to show Trump that they were friendly.
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: It's absurd.
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: So, I mean, one of the reasons, one of the
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: many reasons this story is important is because, you know,
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: as we talk about impeachment and everyone just says Ukraine, Ukraine, Ukraine,
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: it is important for Democrats to... prove either with evidence
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: or to just reiterate the fact that like this is
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: what Trump is doing across so many different areas. He's
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: getting like this. This Saudi thing is the same kind
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: of thing he's getting impeached for.
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: Like if you know Trump, if you're personally loyal to Trump,
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: if you spend money at his hotels, if there is
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: a political reason he can use you, he will be
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: nice to you.
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: I would love a reporter with some time on their hands.
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: to go through the 11,000 tweets, I looked this up,
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: roughly 11,000 tweets he has tweeted since he became president,
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: and figure out what percentage of those tweets are about
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: something other than the scandals he's embroiled in, personal enrichment,
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: and that's basically it. I would love to see what
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: he has taught, because Twitter is his only form of communication, really.
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: So what has he communicated with the world about other
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: than how he's not as fucking scandalous as we all
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: know he is, and, you know... Ways that he'll make
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: money someday.
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: There's two categories of tweets. I'm not corrupt, and the
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: Democrats are. Yeah. That's basically what he does.
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: No real proactive legislating or anything.
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: And once in a while, like, best economy in the world. Ever!
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: Exclamation point.
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: That's about it.
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: The stock market's awesome, except when it goes down. And
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: then it is not mine.
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: So, speaking of rank corruption... Politico reported that Seema Verma,
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: who runs Medicare and Medicaid for Trump. This is a
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: good one.
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: Don't get me started.
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: She filed a claim with the Department of Health and
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: Human Services seeking reimbursement from taxpayers for about forty seven
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: thousand dollars worth of expensive jewelry and other belongings that
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: were stolen during a work trip. including an Ivanka Trump
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: brand pendant worth about $ 6, 000. Allegedly.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: Allegedly.
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: Allegedly. Verma is currently under congressional investigation for spending $ 2. 25
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: million in taxpayer money to contract a public relations firm
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: that often worked to help burnish her personal image. Trump
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: administration is currently trying to kick at least 15 million
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: people off of Medicaid right now. And, you know, health care,
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: Medicaid is basically health insurance that you are too rich
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: to qualify for if you make like $ 10, 000, if you're
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: a family making $ 10, 000 a year. And this is what
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: Seema Verma is spending, $ 2 million on a consultant for
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: a personal image and filing claims for lost jewelry that
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: we have to pick up the tab for.
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: Let's also just discuss the fact that she filed a
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: claim for $ 2, 000 to cover stolen clothes, $ 2, 000 to cover
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: stolen goods, and $ 325 claim for.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: For moisturizer. For moisturizer.
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: You add all of that up.
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: What kind of moisturizer is that?
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: Let's talk about this. You know that in that fucking
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: bullshit Snap stuff they did last week where they're kicking
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: people off Snap left and right and removing the ability
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: for people to eat.
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: Literally taking food off people's table.
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: Literally taking food. One of the sort of small footnote-y
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: things that it took someone a long time to read
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: through the whole thing and highlight is that if you,
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: you have to work now to get your benefits, right?
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: Except.
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: If you have a car that is valued at more
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: than $ 2, 250, you no longer qualify, right, because you have assets.
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: So you have to work. You may not have a
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: bus that can take you to work. So if you
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: have a car that's worth more than $ 2, 200, you get punished, which,
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: by the way, the cost of the car is half
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: of what she is claiming in just her stolen goods,
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: fucking moisturizer, and noise-canceling headphones.
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: You know what? Like Mike Bloomberg and Tom Steyer, run this.
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: Start running this ad.
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: Please.
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: About the Trump administration trying to kick people off, take
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: away their health insurance while the person running Medicaid and Medicare.
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: Do you remember Tom Brokaw's Fleecing of America segment?
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: I do remember that.
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: Remember? Yeah. Go ahead. Love it. You're thinking I can
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: see it.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: Look, let's go to town on this.
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: Sure.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: Go crazy. I don't really give a shit. I just
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: don't care that much. No.
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: I think people... Oh, look, we're going to talk about.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: I want people to do it. I see why it's
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: politically valuable to attack her for this. I just think
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: it's like.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: I just think this is the best example of what
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: a pro-Republican or a pro-Trump media organization can do for you, right?
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: There's two examples today that we've covered already where I
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: don't like to do the imagine of Obama, but if
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: a Saudi soldier had shot up a U.S. base and
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: Obama didn't call it terrorism and read out a call
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: from the king, it would be this explosive, massive story
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: about how.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: He's weak on terrorism.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: If an Obama official dropped $ 325 on moisturizer and demanded reimbursement,
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: it would be the biggest scandal in history on Fox News.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: And it's just frustrating that the rules don't apply equally
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: for me.
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: But also, I get that the jewelry is a couple
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: thousand dollars. You file the reimbursement claim. It's all crazy.
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: We're talking about this because of the jewelry. But the
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: $ 2 million on a consultant that has just been in
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: the news. Dan Diamond reported this for Politico. He's been
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: on this beat and doing a great job. And, like,
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: this was reported, I don't know, a month ago or
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: something about the consultant, and it just, like, goes through
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: the news like nothing. Like, it is politically valuable, obviously,
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: but it's also, like, $ 2 million. Why are government employees
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: spending $ 2 million at the same time they're trying to
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: say that they kick people off fucking Medicaid, 15 million people,
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: by stopping the Medicaid expansion? Like, what? Come on.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: That's not a big deal? No, no, it's a big deal.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: I also just like, you know, gay news. What is
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: this fucking brooch? What is this $ 5, 900 Ivanka Trump brooch?
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: It had a mineral in it that I'd never even
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: heard of.
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure it's something you can buy at the
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: Woo Woo store. This isn't like the Bergdorf cat brooch,
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: which I will save up and get one day.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: It sounds like it's made in like a TikTok thing,
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: you know?
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: Totally.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: You can see it in a TikTok.
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: You know what? We're going to find a picture of it,
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: and I'm just going to craft it in the conference room.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: I'm sure Marianne Williamson is promoted at some point, too. Yeah, well,
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: it's a good stalking stuffer for this year. She's also
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: in the middle of this massive fight with Alex Azar,
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: the HHS secretary, which has seemingly prevented them from advancing
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: any of Trump's interests on health care, which is good
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: for all of us, but just another sign of how,
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: because of the daily Trump show, like the government is
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: dysfunctional in so many profound ways.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: And we barely noticed.
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: And it's also like, it's another reminder that we have to,
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: at some point, get out of this fucking Medicare for
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: all versus public option fight in the Democratic primary. When
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: the Trump administration right now, you're right. They're having a
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: fight over like who can kick more people off healthcare.
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: If Trump wins again, you know what I mean? It's
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: just like, there's a, there's, there's much bigger things at
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: state care because the Trump administration, if they went again,
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: We'll gut Medicaid even further. We'll gut Medicare. And we'll
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: gut the Affordable Care Act. And millions and millions of
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: people lose their health insurance.
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: And we'll be reimbursing brooches.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Shout out to the bureaucrat somewhere deep inside of
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: HHS who saw that request and said, no. You get $ 2, 000 total.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: I love that person. Leave us the fuck alone. Also, Ivanka,
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: give her a new brooch, you asshole.
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Totes. You've got to have a couple extras. All right.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: Fake billionaire. Give her something else that will turn her
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: arm green.
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: That was good.
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: Let's talk about 2020 and start with the frontrunner nationally
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: and in South Carolina, Joe Biden. He was in Iowa
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: last week where he's in third or fourth place and
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: got into a heated exchange with a Democratic voter who
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: questioned Hunter Biden's work in Ukraine and whether Biden is
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: too old for the presidency. In response to the 83-year-old
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: retired farmer's concerns about Hunter, Biden said, you're a damn liar, man.
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: That's not true. And no one has ever said that.
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: in fairness, the question that the guy asked Biden about
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: Hunter was not like, don't you think it's a conflict
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: of interest that Hunter served on the board? It was like,
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: you sent your son over to Ukraine to, uh, to
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: get a job in an oil company and you did it,
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: you know, it was like crazy conspiracy theory, but it
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: was there. Uh, and then Biden also challenged the man
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: to a pushup contest and an IQ test in order
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: to prove that he is in fact fit enough to
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: be president. Um, What'd you guys think about how Joe
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: Biden handled this one? Alyssa, what'd you think?
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: I just need to say my quick, I really thought
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: it was a missed opportunity for him to not be like,
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: that's malarkey.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: Right, you put it on the bus. You put it
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: on the bus.
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: Like, if ever there was a moment.
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: That, that was malarkey.
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: Thank you.
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: People are wondering like, what does malarkey mean?
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: That's malarkey.
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: That's malarkey. You're welcome for this tutorial, millennials.
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: What'd you think, Lovett?
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: Um, you know, I thought he got out okay. Like,
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: you know, I, I saw people saying he looked bad.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: I saw people saying he looked good. He was pretty cogent.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: He was he was feisty. It felt a little bit defensive.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: You know, John, you're right that what the question this
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: man articulated was a little right wing fever swampy. But
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: I also do think sometimes you just got to give
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: an 83 year old guy a little bit of space
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: to try to like. It's so complicated and so confused
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: by the news, even if you don't watch the Fox
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: News stuff.
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: The guy was apparently a Warren supporter and he said
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: he saw it on MSNBC, which, you know, he probably didn't.
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: But you can leave room for the man to be confused.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: Yes, for sure.
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: Instead of calling him a liar.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So that was my reaction to it. And I
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: just thought for the most part, honestly, at this point
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: with Joe Biden, like he made an argument. Yeah.
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: Successfully.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: I mean, does he need a better answer? I saw
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: you tweeting that.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: I mean, look, I'm sort of used to my reaction
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: to thinking Biden was. wrong in the way he executed
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: in some moment being completely false and then his poll
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: numbers go up. So what the fuck do I know?
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: But look, I also get that these questions are deeply personal.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: It's about his son. They're unfair. It's literally a Trump
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: smear campaign. But I do think there's a rule in politics,
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: which is don't be a dick to voters, right? That
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: guy might have become a supporter.
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: In front of a lot of other voters.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: Also, Biden pulled this kind of thing back in 1988, right?
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: There's a famous clip of him yelling at a guy
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: in New Hampshire saying, I think my IQ is better
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: than yours, but I went to a better law school.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: So I do think he needs a better answer because
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: he also went on Axios on HBO and got pressed
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: on these questions and kind of got in Mike Allen's
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: face and was wagging his finger.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: And I just think like, keep your cool. Don't yell
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: at the questioner. Answer the facts when necessary.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: He's also kind of half turning it and making it
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: hit on the Trump kids, but cutting himself off. If
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: you want to make the case that the Trump kids
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: are profiting off of their father's role in government, make
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: the case, deliver the hit, but don't half do it.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: So like the questions aren't going away. In fact, I
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: think these answers are feeding the news cycle and creating
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: more press on the problem. So from that perspective, I just,
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: I think he's got to figure out an answer.
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean- My advice on this would be, at
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: the very least, don't signal to Trump, Republicans, and the media,
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: and everyone else, that whenever asked about Hunter, you're going
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: to be super defensive and angry.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: And newsmaking.
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: And newsmaking. And look, and I understand it. Some people
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: are like, you know, he should just throw Hunter Biden
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: under the bus. And I think it is, I can
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: understand why he wouldn't want to do that, right? His
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: surviving son, like he's not, but I think there's an
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: easy way to both, Not throw him under the bus
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: and also not like jump to his defense about every
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: decision he ever made, which is for Joe Biden to
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: just be like, look, Hunter is a 47-year-old man. He
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: makes his own decisions. And all I can talk about
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: is what I have done. And not only did I
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: do the right thing in pushing for that corrupt prosecutor
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: to be fired in Ukraine, but my actions increased the
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: chances that Hunter's company would be investigated. So I actually
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: acted in contrary to my son's financial interest And his
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: stuff is his stuff. And, like, we don't need to
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: talk about him because he's not running for president. Let's
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: talk about me, what I did, what I did wrong
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: or right, and I did nothing wrong.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's right. I also just think it
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: is a tone thing and that it is like, thank
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: you for that question. I know this has been in
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: the news a lot. And I'm really glad you asked it. Yes.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: Because I really want to make sure everybody in Iowa
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: understands where I'm coming from. Yep. Because here's what you
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: need to know about me. Like, I love this country.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: And the reason I'm running is because we have a
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: president who's tried to profit off the presidency. And we
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: have a president. who's tried to do the wrong thing
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: at every turn. And we need a president right now
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: who will think about the country first every single time.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: And I'm here to tell you that that is exactly
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: what I have done and exactly what I will do.
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: Look at my record.
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: And that's not malarkey.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: And you know what? Again. And if you're ever not
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: sure about that, I hope you come and ask me
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: another question. I'm so glad you're here. I'm so glad
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: you're all here. Applause, applause. Now I'm president.
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: He's got nothing to hide on this.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: Make a little joke. Are you sure that wasn't Fox News?
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: Hardy har har. He seems so pissed.
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: Anything, but also I felt like, I watched, so I
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: read it and then I watched it, right, like twice.
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: And the thing about it is he just, he, there's
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: something about the whole presentation, like his whole engagement with,
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: His eyes get really small and beady, and he's still dressing,
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: and I have said this, he's still dressing like Thurston
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: Hill III. I don't know what's up with that.
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: I mean, I don't think it helped that John Kerry
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: was in matching outfits with him on the campaign trail.
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: The two of them just walked right off Beacon Hill together.
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: I mean, it's kind of true.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's weird that they wore one ascot
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: and just couldn't get far apart. Just tied between them.
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: But yeah, no, I just feel like his whole, just
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: like the way that he did it and the way,
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: it just felt like he knew he had to be mad.
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: And so he didn't know how to like, like, and
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: I understand it. He's thinking the whole time, like, how
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: do I do this? But I just felt like it
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: came off so weird.
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: I just want to say to him, like, and I,
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: the way the Biden campaign has had to deal with
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: press and everything else, they have this big chip on
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: their shoulder, right? Partly because of what you were saying, Tommy,
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: where like everyone tells them they fuck up everything and
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: then his poll numbers are still good. And so they're like,
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: why are we still dealing with this? And it's like,
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: I get it. I get a lot of this isn't
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: on the level. I get that you have to deal
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: with a lot of bullshit, but you just have to
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: take it. You're running for president. You know what I'm saying?
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: You can't show, and his campaign is like this too.
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: A lot of people in his campaign, it's like, don't
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: show that you're angry, that you're defensive, that you think
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: everyone on Twitter is stupid. Just don't show that.
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: Because fundamentally, there's a little bit of a like, I
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: can't believe we have to deal with this.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes.
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: Like, I should be the nominee by now.
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: Like, this is... It's first we're not even going to
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: engage because it's beneath us. And now we're going to
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: engage in a way that's not super helpful.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: I know that feeling.
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we've all been there.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: I lost my mind every time some reporter asked me
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: about Barack Obama's birth certificate.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: But you know what?
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: You get unfair questions on the campaign trail. And part
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: of proving you can run against Trump is showing that
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: you're going to be able to deal with crazy lies
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: from your opponent.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: Yes. All right.
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: Let's talk about Pete Buttigieg and Elizabeth Warren's latest debate.
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: Last week, Warren called on Pete to be more transparent
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: about his fundraising, calling on him to release the names
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: of his finance committee members, the names of his bundlers
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: who are raising money for him, that's what a bundler is,
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: and to open his fundraisers to the press, which Joe
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: Biden does. She and Bernie actually don't do fundraisers with
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: rich people anymore. Others, including the New York Times editorial board,
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: have also called on Pete to release his client list
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: from when he was a consultant at McKinsey, which he
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: says he can't do because he signed a non-disclosure agreement,
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: which he's asking McKinsey to let him out of. For
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: his part, Pete called on Warren to release her tax
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: returns from when she did some corporate consulting while she
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: was a law professor at Harvard. In response, she released
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: records on Sunday night showing she made nearly $ 2 million consulting,
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: most of which was made over the decade she was
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: at Harvard. What do we think about this whole debate?
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: Are the critiques fair? What do you guys think?
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: It's annoying. I mean, like, if you want to turn
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: people off, To like being engaged in the process, this
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: whole back and forth, neither one of them are right
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: or wrong necessarily, but it is a turnoff. You know, like,
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: first of all, the thing I find, the thing that
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: does get under my skin a bit is that Mayor
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: Pete should release his bundlers.
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: Because here's the thing. He did have people on his
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: invitations for fundraisers. And as you guys all know, I
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: spent the better part of my fucking adult life vetting
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: invitations for fundraisers. And so he was and then he
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: got called out on it because he had a bunch
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: of lobbyists on his invitations. So then he's like, OK, well,
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: we're not going to do that, but I'm also going
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: to not list them anymore. It is a little bit like, well,
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: what do you got going on? Just like tell us
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: who your people are. Like, why do we care? I'm
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: sure they're all mostly fine.
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: And if they're not, then maybe they shouldn't be bundlers.
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: And also then the reporting on EW, you know, and
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: her disclosure was like so many, I forget what outlet
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: it was, but it was like Elizabeth Warren, you know,
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: $ 3 million, $ 2 million over 30 years.
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: Well, that's what it originally said. Then Annie Linsky, who
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: wrote the story, was like it wasn't 30 years. It
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: was the 10 years that she was at Harvard, which
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: she didn't say originally. But it's not like the amount
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: of money is not the fucking point here at all. Anyway,
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: like she clearly was a professor at Harvard. and had
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: some side consulting work that she was paid like lump
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: sums or hourly or monthly retainer, whatever consulting is, here
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: and there. Over 10 years at Harvard.
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: Paid like a high-priced Harvard professor lawyer.
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: I know. Everyone was saying, like, she was underpaid. We
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: don't know if she was fucking underpaid. We don't know any...
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: And here's the thing. She made some money as a consultant. Fine.
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: We shouldn't... The standard for public service shouldn't be a
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: vow of poverty prior to getting into public service, right?
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: You shouldn't have to.
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: Don't get me started on this.
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: You shouldn't have to declare that you have done nothing
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: but philanthropy up until the point that you... decide to run.
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: Before and after, I will only work in the public
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: sector my whole life. That is the only good person
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: who can run for office.
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: But then at the same time, the people who are
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: attacking EW but defending Mayor Pete and saying like, well,
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: that was in his 20s and that's just crazy. And
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: I was like, ah, he's only in his 30s now.
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: So like not exactly lifetimes ago.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, look, I think at some point he's
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: going to have to open up the fundraisers. And honestly, like,
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: that's fine. Everyone is a reporter these days. Someone's going
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: to film your fundraiser. It seems more nefarious than it is.
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: Usually there's boring kind of mundane affairs.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: It's actually smart, too, because once they know that their
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: fundraisers are public, they stop making the kind of gaffes
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: that people like that. clings to your guns and religions, deplorable.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: As a general matter, I think transparency is good. But
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: I want to be clear that the media gives you
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: no credit for it. Obama released the White House visitor log,
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: something that was a massive fight during the Bush administration.
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: I believe it went to the Supreme Court, the legal
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: effort to get those records. And we just got mocked.
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: You know, people use it to do oppo research on
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: people visiting the Obama White House. Obama got mocked for
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: saying it was the most transparent administration ever. So the
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: incentives are completely fucked. And what I'm a little bit
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: worried about is us setting a standard for ourselves on
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: the Democratic side, that Trump will come nowhere near matching,
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: and we're just rolling out a bunch of records for
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: RNC nerds to dig into and create problems for Democratic candidates.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there's two things to it. One is
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: Tommy's point. We are being more transparent and going above
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: and beyond any legal requirements because that's what Democrats demand
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: of each other, and it puts us at a disadvantage.
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: The second piece of this, too, is it's like, let's
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: just step back and remember why we're doing this. It's
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: about figuring out who's going to be the best president. And,
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: you know, the assumption has to be there is something
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: about Pete's bundlers or there's something about Pete's work at
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: McKinsey that will tell us what kind of president he
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: will be. I think there's probably some truth to that.
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: And then for Elizabeth Warren, there has to be an
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: argument that something about the clients she took on, the
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: money she made when she was a professor is going
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: to be revealing to us about what kind of president
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: they are. And I think that the actual it's asymmetric
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: in the sense of like what the goal is for
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: those launching these attacks. I think the The goal for
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: the attack at Pete is a goal that says, see,
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: he's a neolib center shill. The left can't trust him.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: He is going to govern with these wealthy interests in mind,
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: whether they're going to compare him to Mitt Romney. You
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: can't trust him to actually deliver a truly progressive government.
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: That is the attack that they are trying to make.
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: The other direction is actually it's not that because I
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: don't think anyone truly believes that. No one's been able
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: to successfully make that argument. It's more Look, Elizabeth Warren's
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: just as bad as the rest of us.
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they're trying to get her on a hypocrisy argument.
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: She rails against corporations, but she worked for corporations.
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: Did she's purity come lately?
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: So this transparency debate is not about transparency, right, as
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: you're sort of revealing. The campaigns are saying it's about transparency,
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: but really it's to try to get the records or
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: get the information so then you can use it to prove.
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: To do these attacks. Yeah, of course. It's a dance.
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: It's a transparency rabbit hole.
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: Pete didn't work at fucking Blackwater. He wasn't shooting up
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: town squares in Iraq. He was probably sitting with a
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: bunch of guys with Excel sheets, like figuring out how
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: to cut costs and lay off people and cut benefits.
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: And that's wild speculation, but that's my guess based on
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: what McKinsey does all the time. And yeah, that'll look
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: kind of bad in the campaign.
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: And no one is more surprised that McKinsey's an issue
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: for Pete than Pete, who has wanted to be president
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: for a very long time and presumably thought this was
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: a good thing for him to do to gain some
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: interesting business experience before he went into government. That's a
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: good point.
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: Well, it wasn't long ago that having some business experience
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: before getting into government was seen as neutral to good.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: Now it's like, oh, my God.
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: That's the self-interested Twitter reaction. I do think people in
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: America probably think, oh, McKinsey, I've heard of that. That's
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: hard to, it's a hard job to get. You must
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: be smart to learn.
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: There. They'll think that about McKinsey. They'll think Elizabeth Warren, oh,
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: she did some side work for companies. Great. Good for her.
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: Or who cares?
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: I'll never learn that fact because I'm not you guys
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: watching Twitter all day long.
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: And finally... Michael Bloomberg has already spent or reserved $ 60
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: million on television ads since he entered the primary. This
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: is more than double what the other four front-running candidates
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: have spent on TV all year combined. That's Bernie, Pete, Warren, Biden.
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: All of their spending combined. Double it. Mike Bloomberg's ahead
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: of that.
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: It's ironic because in part he's in the race for
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: fear of a left candidate. So Elizabeth Warren has already
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: charged Mike Bloomberg a pretty substantial wealth tax.
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: He's also spent millions on Facebook and Google ads, even
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: more than Trump has, because we've been complaining about Trump
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: a lot, spending all this money. So Bloomberg's outspending Trump now.
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: The campaign also plans to launch, and this might even
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: be more important than the television spending, They're planning to
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: launch a huge ground operation. They're just hiring organizers by
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: the dozens in the delegate-heavy Super Tuesday states, and they're
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: paying these organizers almost double what other campaigns are paying them. Guys,
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: what's Bloomberg's theory of the case here? What's the method
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: behind the madness?
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: I mean, so David Plouffe did a great interview with
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: Bloomberg's campaign chief, Kevin Sheeky, and they're trying something that
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: is quite literally unprecedented, which is they're skipping the first
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: four early primary states and making a Super Tuesday play,
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: which is basically a national campaign.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: You know, you should think of it that way. So
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: they're betting that they can get him to, you know,
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: 15% in some of these congressional districts and pick up
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: some delegates that way. That's a tough bet. You know,
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: like no one's ever done that. It's incredibly hard.
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: But he has.
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: 52 some odd billion dollars with which to play.
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: And so maybe it'll work.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: Now, Democrats who are resentful Bloomberg for getting in and
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: getting in late should also know that it sounds like
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: a lot of the spending will be anti-Trump. Now, we
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: should hold their feet to the fire on that and
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: make sure that's actually true and that he's registering voters
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: and running.
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: Trump attack ads and swing states.
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: But it is good that he's spending in states that
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: aren't these first four early primary states, because what happens
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: at a primary is you focus on Iowa, New Hampshire,
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: South Carolina, Nevada. and Trump is just running ads against
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: Democrats everywhere else.
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: No, it sounds like what he's trying to do is
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: prove his worth as a Democratic candidate by trying to
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: help build up the Democratic Party. Which is great. Which
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: is a smart, yeah, like, whether it's out of the
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: goodness of his heart or not, who the fuck cares?
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: It's happening.
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: That's great for our purposes.
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's just a pure, to me, numbers question.
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: How much of what he is spending is, like, I've
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: seen a bunch of pro-Bloomberg bio spots. It's sort of
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: like Tom Steyer, who in the run-up to deciding to
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: run for president, spent millions of dollars on ads that
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: were both about impeaching Trump, but also about sort of
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: burnishing his credentials and making him somebody people recognized.
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: So what he's committed is that he will spend at
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: least $ 100 million outside of his own campaign's efforts. So
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: right now there's a mix of the bio ads, which
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: take shots at Trump, but are mainly Bloomberg ads. And
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: there's a bunch of anti-Trump ads in swing states. and
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: digital spends, which is, you know.
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: And then he's helping out the state parties.
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: Yes, that was the other big thing.
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: Which is genius.
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: He's going to Texas. He's giving a whole bunch of
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: money to that state party, to Louisiana, to other state
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: parties that don't have enough money.
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: Hey, Mike Bloomberg, we're like scraping together every dollar we
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: can find for Stacey Abrams.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: Could you just clear out that thing? Yeah. Cover a
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: check for five mil. Just clear it out.
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: Please, Mike Bloomberg. Everyone tweet at Mike Bloomberg. Please write
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: Stacey Abrams a check.
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: That'd be good. And he's, fair fight.
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: And he's donating to some candidates. He's going to donate
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: to some candidates up and down the ballot too. So look,
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's, you know, it is gross that we
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: have a campaign finance system that billionaires can just like
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: buy their way onto debate stages and possibly buy a nomination. Absolutely.
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: But I have been very worried for quite some time
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: that Trump is outspending us everywhere, that he's going to
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: outspend us digitally and in paid media everywhere. And if
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: Mike Bloomberg wants to try to stop that while running
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: a campaign, like whether he's the nominee or not, at
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: least it might help the democratic party, which is not
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: a bad thing. Yeah.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: You know, he's also spent a lot of money on
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: trying to close coal fire power plants. Yeah. Um, and
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: other things. And, but when I, when I see those,
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: when I saw that, that he was doing that, I
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: think it's a very good thing, but the single most
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: important thing you can do if you care about climate
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: change is remove Donald Trump from office. It's the single
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: most important thing, right?
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: Whatever.
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: I think he has pledged a huge amount of money
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: to that effort, but There's no bang for your buck
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: if you care about climate change more than a million
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: dollars worth of ads in Wisconsin or Michigan or Pennsylvania
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: or what have you.
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: You guys remember when Barack Obama criticized the Citizens United
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: ruling at the State of the Union in front of
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: the Supreme Court justices? It was treated like the greatest
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: civility foul in the history of Washington.
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: Because he said it in front of. The justices.
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: Oh, no.
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: Oh, my goodness.
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: Oh, the justices. Feelings got hurt because they opened the
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: floodgates to billions of dollars to buy our elections.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: Blue eyes got glassy.
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: Imagine criticizing that. Yeah.
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: I did think it was interesting. One of the pieces
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: about why Bloomberg decided to run is that remember those
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: New York Times polls in the swing states that Nate
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: Cohen and New York Times did a while ago that
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: showed that Trump was very competitive in those swing states,
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: beating Trump. Elizabeth Warren and some, and losing to Biden
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: by narrow amounts and others. Apparently that polling came out.
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: Bloomberg sat with all of his advisors and said, and
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: they all decided, okay, we're going to spend even more
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: outside the campaign on ads in these states. They're like,
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: all right. So they finished the meeting. And then apparently
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: the next morning, Bloomberg walks in and he's like, and
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: they're like, okay, we're ready to spend all this money.
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: He's like, actually, I've thought about it. I think I
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: need to run for president. And he's like, so we
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: are going to spend all that money on those ads,
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: but also I'm going to run because I'm afraid we're
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: going to lose now.
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: I mean, it's the funny thing is that, you know,
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: no one who runs for president is shy on ego, right?
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: But the thing that I do think is compelling is
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: that Mike Bloomberg, of all people, does not want to
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: be humiliated. So that's why it's like, I don't know that.
• 45:40
  Speaker 4: We don't know everything he has planned, but I feel
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: like he knows something.
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: Well, I've been worried with this. I mean, like, is
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: Mike Bloomberg the answer to that scary polling? You know,
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: I have my doubts, but I do— And Bloomberg conducted
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: similar polling in those states and found almost the same
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: exact results as The New York Times and Nate, who
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: is in, you know, 538 rates them in a pollster.
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: So does he get a cheat?
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: He gets a cheaper rate as a candidate on ads
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: for the money he spent. But that won't apply to
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: the hundred million. Is that going to be outside of
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: the campaign? I don't know the answer. I don't know
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: that either, because there is a little bit of a
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: like you can't pretend to run for president to get
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: a cheaper ad rate. You got to really do it.
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: You got to really put your heart into it. I
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: don't want to.
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: Do we really think that Mike Bloomberg, who's throwing around
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: like $ 60 million in the first week, is worried about
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: getting that much of a cheaper ad rate?
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: I think, though, listen, first of all, everybody wants a
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: bang for their buck. I don't care who you are.
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: Americans love a deal. All right? We love a deal.
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: He doesn't want to pay full price for that Ivanka pendant.
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: Absolutely not.
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: Unlike Seema Verma.
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: He will not. Everyone should just be a little worried.
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: I mean, look, the fact that Bloomberg did all.
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: This polling and they found that every candidate is losing
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: to Trump in the states that matter should make us.
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: All Really nervous.
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: And I don't want to, like, you know, offer up
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: a bunch of unfocused anxiety here. But, like, we're all
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: going to have to work really hard and.
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: Bring this party together.
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: It's also really interesting to me. This is a totally
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: different point. But Jonathan Martin had an interesting piece on
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: the state of the race in Iowa. And the thing
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: that I keep my head around is that Elizabeth Warren
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: has not spent any money on ads in Iowa.
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: I don't get why.
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: Just recently. I guess she finally just went up, like,
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: this week.
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: What the fuck have you been waiting for? By the way.
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: money situation.
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: She had a big quarter at one point.
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: She did, but remember, but her cash on hand, she
• 47:23
  Speaker 4: had a big quarter, but her cash on hand was.
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: And she had a 10 million dollar transfer from the Senate.
• 47:27
  Speaker 4: Transfer from the Senate office. I just think it's interesting
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: to see what kind of money everyone's got because we keep,
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: not we keep forgetting, but I feel like sometimes Twitter forgets.
• 47:37
  Speaker 4: I think that it's going to be very interesting to
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: see the quarter Bernie has because he has still, with
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: purely grassroots money, outraised everybody every quarter.
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: Pretty huge.
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: And I think that like polling or whatever aside, if
• 47:49
  Speaker 4: he's still raising like massive grassroots money more than anybody else,
• 47:52
  Speaker 4: I think that means something.
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, we've been talking this whole time in
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: 2020 about, you know, Biden versus an Iowa voter, Pete
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: versus Warren.
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: And like no one's really roughing up Bernie and he's
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: doing his thing.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: No, it's like he.
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: Had that heart attack and he's like just fading into
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: the bushes and doing his like load. Like he's been
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: doing smaller events. and really kind of just been like
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: out of the fray except for that awesome fire starting video.
• 48:19
  Speaker 4: Did you guys watch it?
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: No.
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, I did see that.
• 48:21
  Speaker 4: Bernie showed people how to light a fire in Vermont.
• 48:23
  Speaker 4: It was funny as hell.
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: And a wood-burning stove.
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it was really great. As people who come from
• 48:27
  Speaker 4: cold places, Aaron and I really thought it was something.
• 48:30
  Speaker 4: But I just think it's interesting. I think that, you know,
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: the end of the quarter will be interesting to see
• 48:34
  Speaker 4: sort of where he nets out and if his supporters
• 48:36
  Speaker 4: give a shit about what any of the polling says and,
• 48:39
  Speaker 4: you know.
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I also just think, too, you look at
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: what could happen And what does Mike Bloomberg's money on
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: Super Tuesday ultimately mean if you start from the presumption
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: that it's very, very hard to imagine him building a
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: coalition that will make him the nominee? You start to
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: see someone that makes it harder for someone else to
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: get to above 50 percent of the delegates.
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: And then become a player at the brokered convention.
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: And then, yeah.
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: Nightmare.
• 49:04
  Speaker 4: Paging Aaron Sorkin.
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: To Alyssa's point earlier, I mean, the Des Moines Register
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: had a piece over the weekend, or maybe it was
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: last week, about Bernie's Iowa strategy. And it does seem
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: like they are just kind of running a totally on
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: a totally different track like even look I wish I'd
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: spent more time with Bernie and his team when I
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: was in Iowa but like when I'm at the Liberty
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: and Justice dinner with all the other campaigns all his
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: supporters were somewhere else so it was like hard to
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: talk to them and get a sense of what they
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: think about Bernie they seem to be just focused on
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: this crop of Bernie voters that they think if they
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: turn out in sufficient numbers can win this thing for
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: him or at least do well enough. And I don't know,
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: maybe the polling is not capturing those people. It just
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: makes it completely unpredictable.
• 49:45
  Speaker 4: Well, the interesting thing, right, that poll that just came
• 49:47
  Speaker 4: out that said he's leading in California.
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 49:51
  Speaker 4: I was totally shocked. I did not think that that,
• 49:53
  Speaker 4: I was like, I had to read it twice because
• 49:55
  Speaker 4: I'm like, huh. And that was the thing that made
• 49:56
  Speaker 4: me think like, he's just been like the tortoise, man.
• 49:59
  Speaker 4: He's just like under- going slow, not doing a lot
• 50:02
  Speaker 4: of big press stuff and just.
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: I mean, the Super Tuesday calculations are very interesting, right? Because,
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: I mean, you mentioned this 15%, Tommy, but basically the
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: way this works is if you can hit 15% in
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: any of these congressional districts in any of these states,
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: you probably pick up delegates below 15%.
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: You don't.
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: And so what Bloomberg is basically saying is, all right,
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: not only are we going to spend money on television ads,
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: but we're going to have ground operations in all these
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: big states, which is something that is incredibly expensive and
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: Very few candidates are going– other candidates are going to
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: be able to do that unless they have some momentum
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: in those first four early primary states. So the Bloomberg
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: people are thinking, like, we don't even know if we're
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: going to win many of these Super Tuesday states. But
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: if we can just keep getting delegates by spending enough money,
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: you know, we'll be in the game. And then you
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: try to think who else is going to have an
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: operation that can compete in California, New York, Texas all
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: at the same time. And it's like Bernie probably has
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: that money. Right. Pete Buttigieg probably has that money right now.
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: And then we'll see about Warren after the quarter.
• 50:59
  Speaker 4: And Bernie did it in 16.
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 51:01
  Speaker 4: So he's got at least some sort of muscle memory
• 51:04
  Speaker 4: in those states.
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: But the one person who we definitely don't know if
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: he has the money is Joe Biden based on his
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: last fundraising quarter, even though, you know, in a lot
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: of ways he could be the strongest candidate because of
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: his continued strong, strong support in the African-American community and
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: with non-college educated white voters.
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: The bet for non-Bloomberg candidates is that you go through
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: these first four early primary states and if you do
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: well enough, you capture momentum and enthusiasm and that puts
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: you over the top versus this organizing that's already happening.
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: It seems like a real open question whether that will
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: work or whether anyone will run the table in these
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: early states to build that momentum. But certainly it would
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: make me awfully nervous if I were Biden and I'm
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: kind of betting on a mixed result in these early
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: four states.
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 51:50
  Speaker 4: Especially because his money has been predominantly big dollar money,
• 51:54
  Speaker 4: which means that he has a finite base of.
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: Which was Kamala's problem.
• 51:58
  Speaker 4: Which was Kamala's problem is that if you're someone who's
• 52:01
  Speaker 4: counting on your big donors, you front load all that money.
• 52:04
  Speaker 4: And so my guess, you know, for Kamala was that
• 52:07
  Speaker 4: like her donors had maxed out four months ago for
• 52:09
  Speaker 4: the most part and the grassroots money wasn't totally there,
• 52:12
  Speaker 4: which in part is almost a self-fulfilling prophecy. Because if
• 52:15
  Speaker 4: you think that the person you're like, oh, I think
• 52:17
  Speaker 4: that Kamala is great. But like, I also want to
• 52:20
  Speaker 4: see Booker stay in the race. And I'm a donor
• 52:22
  Speaker 4: who only has $ 50 to give. If you think she's
• 52:25
  Speaker 4: got her big dollar money, you're like, I'm going to
• 52:26
  Speaker 4: give my $ 50 to Booker.
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 52:28
  Speaker 4: You know, and so I think that that's that that's
• 52:31
  Speaker 4: a problem for people.
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: And I wonder if that's going to be a problem
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: for Pete going forward, too. Kamala and Pete were both mixed, right?
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: They had high-dollar fundraisers and they had some grassroots support.
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: I think Pete's probably had more high-dollar than grassroots. But
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: if the grassroots sort of melts away, then you're left
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: with hoping that the high-dollar donors in the party can
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: fund this. But meanwhile, you're facing candidates in Warren and
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: Bernie who have a lot of grassroots money and then
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: self-funded billionaires like Tom Steyer and Mike Bloomberg.
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: Tough.
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: Cool state of campaign finance we've got going right now.
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: You can't win after Iowa without grassroots donors.
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: You don't have time to leave the campaign trail in
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: politics in New York City.
• 53:11
  Speaker 4: You know, that was one of the interesting things in
• 53:13
  Speaker 4: 2016 that I remember. I think it was the third
• 53:16
  Speaker 4: or fourth quarter. Hillary had done over 40 fundraisers and
• 53:20
  Speaker 4: Bernie had done two.
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: It's also worth, I think, too, being just a little
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: bit reflective on actually the state of campaign finance and
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: some of the unintended consequences because it's not just Citizens United.
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: it's that we created a bunch of rules that made people,
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: made it that you couldn't get as much money per person.
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: I think it's had positive effects, but it means if
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: you're someone who doesn't have inherited wealth or wealth, you
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: may be building some sort of terminal. That, as far
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: as I can tell, is a really good web browser.
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: I don't get it. To me, McCain-Feingold.
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: But it means that it really did cause a trend
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: of all these really wealthy people being able to come
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: in and be like, well, you're going to have to
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: go do all these fundraisers. But I can just write
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: myself a check because everyone recognizes there's something is inherently
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: unfair of saying to somebody you can't spend your own
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: money on your own speech, on your own campaign.
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: So we really are. It's the campaign finance question that
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: undergirds all of this. They're really hard. They're not easy questions.
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: That's all.
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and all we have to do to fix it
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: is just win the presidency, the Senate, the House, and
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: then wait for a Supreme Court seat to open up.
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: So in the meantime, this is what we got.
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: And by the way, even when you do that, it's
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: actually hard to come up with a solution that makes
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: everybody happy that actually does what we want it to do.
• 54:33
  Speaker 4: Well, because remember how many years ago, Favs, when we
• 54:36
  Speaker 4: were working for John Kerry, John Kerry was at the
• 54:39
  Speaker 4: same point in his election as Kamala was. They were
• 54:42
  Speaker 4: both not polling great, both out of money. But John
• 54:45
  Speaker 4: Kerry mortgaged his home in Boston, and that's what got
• 54:48
  Speaker 4: us through Iowa.
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: Which– And we thought when we heard the news that
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: John Kerry was mortgaging his home, it was like, oh,
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: we're– I mean, Alyssa and I sat at a restaurant
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: and we're like, what's our next jobs?
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: No, we did.
• 54:58
  Speaker 4: We went to Ruby Tuesdays and had a low-carb meal.
• 55:00
  Speaker 4: We went to Filene's and bought sheets because we were
• 55:02
  Speaker 4: sleeping on people's floors in Iowa and New Hampshire.
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: Fall of 03.
• 55:06
  Speaker 4: I was like, so when I see you again, like,
• 55:08
  Speaker 4: what are we going to do? Because we just– I'm like,
• 55:10
  Speaker 4: where's the unemployment office?
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: Why couldn't he get that ketchup money?
• 55:13
  Speaker 4: That was the catch-up money.
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: They mortgaged their house, right?
• 55:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, in Boston.
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: Because that was partly his. He can't just take her
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: fortune that wasn't. partly his.
• 55:20
  Speaker 4: Because that's not how it works.
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: That's not how the laws work.
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: Not how marriage works. He did have that house. They
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: got married. They didn't combine finances.
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: He had the house.
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: He had the ascot.
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: Did she make him sign a prenup? Oh, that's interesting.
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: Did Teresa Hines Carey have a ruthless prenup? Oh, awesome.
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: Because the answer is yes.
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: Anyway, I think we've gotten to the end of this conversation, guys. Alyssa,
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: thanks for joining us today. Please come back. Let's do
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: this more often.
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: If you want Teresa Hines Carey's money, You have to
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: hit the side of the bottle at the exact right spot.
• 55:51
  Speaker 4: I can show you how.
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: You got to tilt it and hit that 57. You
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: hit the 57. That's exactly right. What was the plane called?
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: The Flying Squirrel?
• 55:58
  Speaker 4: Yes, it was called the Flying Squirrel.
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: Their private jet?
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a bad story.
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: Good times, people.
• 56:04
  Speaker 4: Who did you work for again, Tommy?
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, John.
• 56:06
  Speaker 4: There you go.
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we're all covered in glory.
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: This was very cool.
• 56:09
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• 56:20
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• 56:23
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