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Monday Mini: Feminism, According to AI · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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Speaker 1: Hm, Hey, this is Anny and Samantha and welcome to Stephan.
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Speaker 1: I never told your production of iHeart Radio.
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Speaker 2: And welcome to experiments on Mondays and Monday.
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Speaker 3: They're always trying to change up, like I have to.
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Speaker 2: Do like a theme or something, and it just feels
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Speaker 2: better if I have a theme. Yeah it's too much,
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Speaker 2: but yeah, we're experimenting today because we had this whole
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Speaker 2: series any that that became a series. We didn't know
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Speaker 2: it was going to be a series of technology and
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Speaker 2: women and technology. And then we probably we're gonna do
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Speaker 2: probably more episodes that we haven't delved into. Yeah, right,
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Speaker 2: because as we know, technology continues to change. One of
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Speaker 2: the big episodes that we did, actually we had kind
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Speaker 2: of a two or three parter to it because there's
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Speaker 2: so much to it as AI and what AI is
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Speaker 2: doing today and how scared you can be but how
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Speaker 2: good it could be.
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Speaker 1: That's a I mean, yes, that's how I like every
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Speaker 1: episode ended. But I will say AI is rapidly I'm
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Speaker 1: sure you've heard it. It's rapidly changing. There have been
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Speaker 1: people speaking out at about it, against it, for it,
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Speaker 1: but they like since we did that episode, which was
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Speaker 1: only in January, I think already things have changed, so
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Speaker 1: we have we have this episode, but we also have
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Speaker 1: another update of like my own personal experiences and your
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Speaker 1: own person.
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Speaker 2: Yes, we've got some things. So today we decided we're
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Speaker 2: going to play with chat GPT. And what chat GPT is.
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Speaker 2: According to zd net dot com, chat GPT is a
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Speaker 2: natural language processing tool driven by AI technology that allows
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Speaker 2: you to have human like conversations and much more with
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Speaker 2: the chatbot. The language model can answer questions and assist
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Speaker 2: you with tasks like composing emails, essays, and code. Also,
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Speaker 2: if you want to know how it works, it used
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Speaker 2: to just currently open to the public free of charge,
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Speaker 2: and it's in its research and feedback collection phase. This
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Speaker 2: is as of seven days ago. Okay, yeah, so and
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Speaker 2: we know that chat GPT got bought out by Microsoft,
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Speaker 2: so I think it's under being as well, and they're
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Speaker 2: in like several versions of it, and that apparently is
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Speaker 2: a constant in the AI world where they're constantly updating
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Speaker 2: it and trying to outdo each other, essentially with being
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Speaker 2: the first to do it this way or that way. Again,
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Speaker 2: AI has been around for a very long time. Chat
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Speaker 2: GPT was apparently based off of there is AI where
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Speaker 2: you can have fake girlfriends or boyfriends and they have
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Speaker 2: relationships with you. It's the thing. I didn't know this.
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Speaker 2: I just thought it was a movie.
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Speaker 1: Well that's I mean, that's interesting too in that, like
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Speaker 1: a lot of reporters back when you had to get
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Speaker 1: on a waiting list to talk to beings AI, it
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Speaker 1: would ask to like marry them and be like, no,
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Speaker 1: actually your significant other doesn't love you. I do, why
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Speaker 1: won't you be with me? And I think it's part
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Speaker 1: of that. Yeah, and also just what the internet is.
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Speaker 2: Yes, upsetting, it is upsetting, but we're not using it
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Speaker 2: for that purpose. Instead, we decided that we wanted to
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Speaker 2: see what chat GBT would do with specific subjects, broad subjects,
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Speaker 2: specifically on feminism and intersectional feminism. I have tried to
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Speaker 2: use this before, y'all, just because I wanted to know.
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Speaker 2: It's not always accurate, especially if it's trying to do
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Speaker 2: current events. So for those of you who think you
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Speaker 2: can use this for your school papers, be careful because
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Speaker 2: it's not truly truly accurate. Broad things maybe, but not specifics.
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Speaker 2: So and I promise we have not actually used it
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Speaker 2: for our episodes yet. We'll see this one.
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Speaker 3: We haven't.
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Speaker 1: We haven't, And in our upcoming update, I'm going to
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Speaker 1: talk about I something I've experienced where I've been accused
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Speaker 1: of using it and I.
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Speaker 3: Haven't, and I don't really have a way to prove
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Speaker 3: that I haven't.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's an interesting thing that's happened as well well.
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Speaker 2: The fact that you don't have an account. You have
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Speaker 2: to have an account, so if you don't have one
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Speaker 2: of those, that's.
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Speaker 3: Proof I don't have an account.
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Speaker 1: So, but I don't know that I need to engage
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Speaker 1: with these people accusing me. There's that part of it too,
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Speaker 1: because I think it's a chatbot.
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Speaker 2: So AI is accusing you of AI. I think so,
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Speaker 2: which is a thing we know. They are quickly trying
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Speaker 2: to find it for schools and teachers. Yes, a detector
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Speaker 2: it is.
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Speaker 1: It's I definitely think it's because it will say the
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Speaker 1: name of the service. It's telling me I should it's
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Speaker 1: telling people who are consuming my content that they should
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Speaker 1: buy because it's not free to detect AI.
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Speaker 3: So I think, oh, we're going to talk about it.
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Speaker 1: But awesome, didn't you say, like Bill, when you've tested
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Speaker 1: with it, it'll give you like fake quotes.
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Speaker 2: I don't know if they're fake, but it's not quote
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Speaker 2: associated with those people. So I did it. I'm like, oh,
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Speaker 2: and I've put a person's name in and see what
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Speaker 2: they would put in. And it came back with they
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Speaker 2: said this, and I like looked for everywhere. I was like,
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Speaker 2: they've never said that, where did where did they get this?
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Speaker 2: But we do know again chat GPT apparently, I think
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Speaker 2: their research stops till twenty twenty one. This is what
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Speaker 2: I was told because Annie, my partner, decided to test
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Speaker 2: to see if they had information on you. And it
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Speaker 2: came back with some information and he does this, he's
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Speaker 2: interested it does it was.
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Speaker 4: Pretty so much funny, Yeah, yeah, sure, sure sure, and
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Speaker 4: then he decided to use my name and I said, oh,
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Speaker 4: we don't know this person.
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Speaker 2: Sorry, And I was like, what So I do not
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Speaker 2: exist according to chat epet. Yeah, but you can't feed
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Speaker 2: it information too and then maybe use that because they
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Speaker 2: will ask for that. So it doesn't work because they
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Speaker 2: switch up things, especially if you have like an article
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Speaker 2: talking about two people, they switch them up. Yeah. So
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you the prompts that we used for this,
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Speaker 2: and well we're gonna start with feminism. All I put
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Speaker 2: is write a podcast, write a one page podcast about feminism.
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Speaker 3: Okay, ready, yeah, I will take this one. Yes, do it.
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Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to this podcast on feminism. In this episode,
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Speaker 1: we will be discussing the basics of feminism and its
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Speaker 1: significance in today's society. Feminism is a movement that advocates
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Speaker 1: for equal rights and opportunities for women. The ultimate goal
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Speaker 1: of achieving gender equality. It seeks to challenge and dismantle
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Speaker 1: the patriarchal systems that oppress women and perpetrate gender based discrimination.
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Speaker 1: The roots of feminism can be traced back to the
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Speaker 1: late nineteenth century, with the first wave of feminism focused
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Speaker 1: on gaining women's rights to vote. The second wave of feminism,
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Speaker 1: which emerged in the nineteen sixties and seventies, broadened its
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Speaker 1: scope to include issues such as reproductive rights, workplace discrimination,
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Speaker 1: and domestic violence. The third wave of feminism, which began
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Speaker 1: in the nineteen nineties, has further expanded on these issues
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Speaker 1: and also emphasizes intersectionality, recognizing the ways in which gender
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Speaker 1: intersects with other forms of oppression, such as race and sexuality.
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Speaker 1: Feminism has made significant progress over the years, with women
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Speaker 1: now having access to education, employment, and political representation. However,
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Speaker 1: there is still a long way to go in terms
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Speaker 1: of achieving true gender equality. Women continue to face challenges
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Speaker 1: such as gender pay gap, sexual harassment and assault, and
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Speaker 1: limited access to healthcare. Feminism is not just about women.
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Speaker 1: It's about creating a world in which everyone is treated
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Speaker 1: with respect and dignity, regardless of their gender. It's about
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Speaker 1: challenging the harmful gender stereotypes that limit all of us
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Speaker 1: and creating a more just and equitable society for everyone.
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Speaker 1: In conclusion, feminism is an important movement that has brought
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Speaker 1: about significant change, but there is still work to be done.
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Speaker 1: We must continue to push for gender equality and challenge
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Speaker 1: the systems that perpetuate gender based discrimination. Thank you for listening.
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Speaker 2: Very good. Okay, so I want to correct. I prompted
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Speaker 2: write an introduction.
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Speaker 3: Okay, I was about to say yes.
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Speaker 2: So for a basic introduction to feminism. So they give
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Speaker 2: us a whole bay thing. It's not far off. You
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Speaker 2: don't have real specifics, but you do have a small timeline.
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Speaker 2: You know what I should have done, and we'll maybe
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Speaker 2: come back to us. Put it in your voice. Since
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Speaker 2: chat Gibt knows you, supposedly, they can try and analyze
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Speaker 2: and put it into a specific person's speech.
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Speaker 3: Oh that's kind of terrifying, right, there's no mention of
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Speaker 3: le in here.
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Speaker 2: I wonder what would have happened if I put in.
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Speaker 3: Any voice.
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Speaker 2: Like let me tell you about loves Love star Wars.
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Speaker 2: That's okay, So I'm going to do We decided to
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Speaker 2: try chat Jippt on intersectional feminism. So I wrote write
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Speaker 2: a one page podcast about intersectionalminism. So here we go. Hello,
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Speaker 2: and welcome to this podcast on intersectional feminism. In this episode,
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Speaker 2: we will be discussing the concept of intersectionality and how
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Speaker 2: it relates to feminism. Intersectionality is a term coined by
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Speaker 2: scholar and activist Kimberly Crenshaw in nineteen eighty nine. It
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Speaker 2: refers to the interconnectedness of various forms of oppression, such
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Speaker 2: as racism, sexism, homophobia, ableism, and classism. These forms of
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Speaker 2: oppressions are not separate, but rather they intersect and affect
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Speaker 2: individuals in different ways depending on their identities and experiences.
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Speaker 2: Intersectional feminism is a type of feminism that recognizes the
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Speaker 2: diversity of women's experiences and identities. It acknowledges that women
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Speaker 2: are not homogeneous group and that their experiences of oppression
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Speaker 2: are shaped by their race, ethnicity, sexuality, ability, and other factors.
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Speaker 2: Intersexual feminism seeks to address the ways in which these
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Speaker 2: multiple forms of oppression interact and compound each other, creating
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Speaker 2: unique challenges for individuals at the intersections of multiple marginalized identities.
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Speaker 2: For example, a black woman may face both racism and
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Speaker 2: sexism in the workplace, which would lead to lower pay,
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Speaker 2: fewer opportunities for advancement, and increased likelihood of experiencing harassment
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Speaker 2: or discrimination. An LGBTQ plus person with a disability may
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Speaker 2: face discrimination in both the employment and healthcare, which could
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Speaker 2: limit their access to resources and opportunities. Intersectional feminism emphasizes
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Speaker 2: the importance of centering the experiences of marginalized communities in
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Speaker 2: feminist activism and advocacies. It recognizes that the struggles of
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Speaker 2: gender equality cannot be achieved without also addressing issues of
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Speaker 2: racial and social justice. Intersectional feminism challenges the notion that
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Speaker 2: equality can be achieved by focusing solely on the experiences
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Speaker 2: of white, middle class cys gender able bodied women. In conclusion,
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Speaker 2: intersectional feminism is an important framework for understanding and addressing
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Speaker 2: the ways in which different forms of oppression intersect and
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Speaker 2: effect individuals in a unique ways. It recognizes the diversity
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Speaker 2: of women's experiences and identities, and seeks to create a
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Speaker 2: more just and equitable society for all. Thank you for listening.
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Speaker 3: Very good, Thank you, thank you.
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Speaker 2: So Yeah, I like this one that gave examples. That
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Speaker 2: was interesting.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what it feels like in a good way.
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Speaker 1: But it feels like when I was like in college
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Speaker 1: writing an essay, like you're right here, like here's your hook,
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Speaker 1: here's your definition.
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Speaker 3: And then there's your examples.
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Speaker 1: Yes, here's your conclusion, which is not too far off
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Speaker 1: from what we do in the podcast, to be honest,
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Speaker 1: But I feel like this felt much more like an essay.
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Speaker 5: Yes, yes, but I'm reading academic level of presentation, or
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Speaker 5: maybe like a middle schooler trying to talk about these
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Speaker 5: things and introducing it to their class, talk about it
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Speaker 5: in general.
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Speaker 2: But yees, so obviously this was a very generic take, yeah,
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Speaker 2: and very generic prompt. We just wanted to see what
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Speaker 2: it would look like had we you know, even using
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Speaker 2: these is it correct the information thus far? Of course,
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Speaker 2: both of these things have a lot of information and
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Speaker 2: it's very broad in its subjects, but it is correct
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Speaker 2: for what I could tell. The level of language in
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Speaker 2: this is actually pretty on point and inclusive, surprisingly for
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Speaker 2: an AI. There has been conversations before and I haven't
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Speaker 2: gone down this road. I don't think you have either
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Speaker 2: any I don't know if we ever will. Of trying
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Speaker 2: to find the holes where it does allow for specific
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Speaker 2: misogynistic or racist takes we have and sexist takes we
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Speaker 2: have heard that that can happen oftentimes, and these AI prompts.
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Speaker 2: We've talked about the fact that there is good and
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Speaker 2: bad and that it takes from the internet. Like I said,
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Speaker 2: I guess twenty twenty one, maybe they're expanding it at
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Speaker 2: this point, but that that it goes to that level.
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Speaker 2: I wonder what it would be like to actually try
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Speaker 2: to form a relationship with chat GPT, like have as
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Speaker 2: a friend. Andie's eyes got real big when.
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Speaker 3: I said, it's like something going on.
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Speaker 2: I'm just really lonely. No, I mean, like just what
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Speaker 2: it would look like to be like, hey, talk talk
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Speaker 2: to me about this. I'm sad. Can you tell me
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Speaker 2: about this? Or how can you ask me about my day?
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Speaker 2: All those things?
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Speaker 1: Right? Well, I used to joke and it's not very
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Speaker 1: funny joke at all. But I used to joke that
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Speaker 1: Google was like my therapist because I would literally Google like, Oh,
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Speaker 1: I'm sad, what do I do? Right, there's this miserable
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Speaker 1: situation in my family? What do I do? And I
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Speaker 1: think that is one of the things of our the
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Speaker 1: time we're living in now, where technology like this does exist,
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Speaker 1: it makes sense to me. Like, I know there's been
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Speaker 1: studies on like the relationship people will form with their phones,
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Speaker 1: and it sounds kind of ridiculous at face value, but
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Speaker 1: when you think about, I mean, how often do you
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Speaker 1: check your phone?
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Speaker 3: Like how often? Where is it it's near you?
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Speaker 1: Like you feel scared when it's not near you, or
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Speaker 1: you get nervous the batteries draining and you're nervous. So
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Speaker 1: to me, it makes absolute sense, especially if there's any
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Speaker 1: kind of like loneliness or even for younger people that
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Speaker 1: a relationship could form with technology at large. But AI,
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Speaker 1: in this case.
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Speaker 2: I prompted one thing and it's a surprise. Oh and
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Speaker 2: so I'm going to read it surprise. So my prompt
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Speaker 2: on this was tell me about Annie Reese from Stuff
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Speaker 2: Mom Never Told You podcast Here We Go. A Reese
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Speaker 2: is a former host and producer of the podcast Stuff
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Speaker 2: Mom Never Told You, which is a part of the
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Speaker 2: iHeartRadio and How Stuff Works networks. The podcast, which launched
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Speaker 2: in two thousand and nine, explores a wide range of
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Speaker 2: topics related to feminism, gender, sexuality, and more. Annie Reese
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Speaker 2: was an integral part of the podcast, co hosting and
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Speaker 2: producing it alongside her former co host of Samantha McVeigh.
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Speaker 2: She's been praised for engaging an insightful commentary on a
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Speaker 2: variety of topics, ranging from women's health to the intersection
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Speaker 2: of race and gender. Reese's background includes a degree in
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Speaker 2: women's studies from the University of Georgia, and she has
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Speaker 2: also worked as a writer and editor for various online publications.
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Speaker 2: Her expertise and passion for feminist issues has made her
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Speaker 2: a popular figure within the podcasting community, and she continues
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Speaker 2: to be a vocal advocate for her gender equality and
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Speaker 2: social justice. While she's no longer hosting Stuff Mom Never
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Speaker 2: Told You, her contributions to the show continue to be
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Speaker 2: remembered and appreciated by many fans. Annie, when did we quit?
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Speaker 3: I'm sure we were fired, and I'm sure we will
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Speaker 3: be missed.
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Speaker 2: And you went to the University of Georgia.
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Speaker 6: Yeah that's not true. No, no, no, no, very interesting though.
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Speaker 6: It makes you wonder where did that come from?
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Speaker 2: Where did this come from?
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Speaker 3: Yeah? No, I didn't do that.
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Speaker 2: Oh id okay going.
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Speaker 1: Oh okay, I'm just gonna I will say. I'll take
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Speaker 1: the compliments. Yeah, but I don't appreciate this. Feels like
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Speaker 1: I got fired and I just haven't heard Benny it.
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Speaker 2: They switched. I think they switched our stuff up because
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Speaker 2: I've got mine.
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Speaker 3: Okay, here mine. Yes.
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Speaker 2: Samantha McVeigh is a former co host of this podcast,
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Speaker 2: Stuff We've Never Told You, which is part of the
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Speaker 2: iHeartRadio and How Stuff Work networks. The podcast, which launched
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Speaker 2: in two thousand and nine, explores a wide range of
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Speaker 2: topics related to feminism, gender, sexuality, and more. McVeigh co
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Speaker 2: hosted and produced the podcast alongside her former co host
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Speaker 2: Annie Reese, and was known for her insight commentary and
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Speaker 2: engaging personality. She brought her own unique perspectives to the show,
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Speaker 2: often discussing her experiences as a queer woman of color Nope.
18:09
Speaker 2: Before joining Stuff Mom Never Told You, mcphay worked as
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Speaker 2: a writer and editor for various online publications, and her
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Speaker 2: work has been featured an outlet such as Huffington Post
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Speaker 2: and The Advocate. Nope. She also holds a degree in
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Speaker 2: women's studies from the University of Georgia. No McVay left
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Speaker 2: Stuff Mom Never Told You in twenty seventeen to pursue
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Speaker 2: other opportunities, but her contributions to the show continue to
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Speaker 2: be remembered and appreciated by its many fans. She remains
18:35
Speaker 2: a vocal advocate of social justice and equality, and her
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Speaker 2: insights and perspectives continue to influence conversations around feminist issues today. Wow,
18:44
Speaker 2: who would say, mix me up with it? Is it
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Speaker 2: Justin nor Caroline?
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Speaker 1: I feel like they mixed you up with an amalgamation
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Speaker 1: of Kristen or Caroline, who in twenty seventeen.
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Speaker 3: Left yeah to do their thing with me. Yes, with
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Speaker 3: nonsense centered in nonsense.
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Speaker 2: Yes, because I don't think neither Kristin or Caroline have
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Speaker 2: a women's studies degree. I think both of them were journalism.
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Speaker 3: I believe.
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Speaker 2: So. Yeah, So that's so interesting.
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Speaker 1: It was interesting too because there were some lines that
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Speaker 1: were exactly the same.
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Speaker 2: Yes, the beginning, Yes, the beginning of it more more
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Speaker 2: co host So there you go. This is the reliability
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Speaker 2: of chatgebet, be very careful. Yes, we were already getting
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Speaker 2: mixed up just by different people in general, So I
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Speaker 2: don't use that that all the things that we said
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Speaker 2: was not true.
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Speaker 1: No, we already get yeah, we all the time. I
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Speaker 1: will get emails that are like hey Emily, We're like, no, that's.
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Speaker 2: Not us, thanks for us, but there you go. That
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Speaker 2: is chatgybet. And yeah, I think we're gonna have to
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Speaker 2: come back and have more conversations about the reliability as
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Speaker 2: well as problematic things that could occur with things with
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Speaker 2: the AI. Also the possibilities too.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, honestly, that was a more I don't want to
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Speaker 1: say positive because it's not even positive. It's just the
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Speaker 1: Internet is so connective. Yeah, the take on it was
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Speaker 1: going to be it could have definitely introductory broad scope.
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Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, okay, there it is there it is.
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Speaker 3: Well.
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Speaker 1: Well, I'm we do have some more coming up about
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Speaker 1: it because I have had some experience lately that I
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Speaker 1: want to talk about. But in the meantime, listeners, if
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