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Yoreh De’ah 202:4-9. Mikvaos: Barriers and Chatzitzah, Handles, Bottles · SHULCHAN ARUCH YOMI: Own the Halacha in 25 minutes a day!

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  OK, good morning. Happy Hanukkah.
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  We're continuing with Helkosimi, Kavos, Raish bet.
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  I just want to mention real quick from the previous sieve,
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  previous Simon, the very end of the previous Simon would be
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  mentioned. When one goes to the mikvah,
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  there is a Homer from the Arizal.
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  It's brought down in several places not to dry yourself off.
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  It's it's his header or Kumrah. Same thing I think anyways, not
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  to go not to dry off to leave that water, let it air dry and
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  just put your or put your clothes on as is.
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  Some are Mahmar, but according that's obviously not the
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  halacha. That's not necessary and
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  whatever we said as far as rinsing the Rama's against it.
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  Of course, if it's a if it's a necessary Tavila and fine.
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  I just wanted to point that out. OK, Simon Rishbet, where we are
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  sieve Dalid Cole, yadota Kalin Shenishburu.
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  So if you have a handle for a Klee, A kagon, A magal, be a
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  sakin. So yeah, any kind of a utensil,
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  whether it's a knife, whatever it is and has a handle attached
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  to it. So let's say it gets broken, all
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  right, part of it breaks off. So it depends if it's a khetiza
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  or not. Let's see IM Mishamshima aim
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  melaton Rishona if it still is functional the same way it was
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  used before. OK, the handle's shorter, might
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  be a little bit harder to use, a little less Noah, but fine.
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  It's, but that is considered not in Khonsetzin.
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  It's not a Khatsita. It's still part of the cleat and
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  it's still functional and you're planning to keep it there.
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  So therefore in Khotsetzin be in love.
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  But if it's no longer functional, Khotsetzin.
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  So I'm assuming it's because we're going to, it's going to
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  get cut off eventually. You're not going to use it the
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  way it is. So therefore we look at it as if
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  it's not, it's not going to stay there or it's not there, it's
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  not supposed to be there and you're going to plan on removing
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  it. And so therefore it's blocking
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  the area where you would cut it off.
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  And since you're planning to remove it, it's it's in the way
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  and therefore it creates A khatsitsa.
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  OK, for specific cases of Lakhala myself, say, ask your of
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  if you're planning to keep it there or not planning to keep it
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  there. But that seems to be the basic
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  principle. Hey is a continuation.
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  Let's read Hey Magal Shanish Bara yada minasafa vilifenim
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  Anna Joseph, said Joseph. He could beat us starting.
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  Let's see if it breaks and it breaks.
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  You have a handle on the outside of a pot and it where it breaks.
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  Magal shanish Bara yada. Sickle or siph OK, so then
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  nishbura yada minasafa. So if it breaks off all the way
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  to the beginning of the, the, the metal or sickle part that
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  you're using Biliphenium and a little bit inwards in a Khatzit,
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  it's not considered a khatzit Sami paneshi Ki bait hastarium
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  cause whatever is there, but it's whatever is left is going
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  to get wet. And on the inside, anything
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  that's there is considered beta starring Mina Safa olahoots.
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  But if part of the yacht is still sticking out outside, like
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  part of it is left. So then part of his left
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  sticking out, IMA shameshit Mein malakhta inakat sets it.
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  But if it's still sticking out, but you can use it, it's
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  functional, just like we said in the previous sieve.
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  Also Ena hot sets it because it's still a yacht and it's
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  still functional and it's and therefore it's not a problem we
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  in LA hot sets it. But if it's no longer
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  functional, I mean, I think I have to find a picture.
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  I think I believe the Safa is in the place where it meets.
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  Yeah, I tried to look at the Mishnahs, but this is not a case
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  in the Mishnah or in the Gemara. So it's a little Sirga Bigami OB
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  Mashika. I think part of it is hanging on
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  Siri. I I hear Sirga Bigami OB
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  Mashika. If it's covered and if you
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  attach it, maybe it's partially broken off.
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  OK, it's partially broken off and therefore right.
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  So part of it is not going to get right.
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  So if it's sticking out where it's broken off, so then you're
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  going to remove what's ever left and it's a khatsitsa like Dalid.
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  If it's broken off to inside the metal knife, that's still usable
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  then, but it's attached. So then it's going to, even
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  though you're going to cut it off, it's not a khatsitsa
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  because it's considered beta starting.
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  We're going to see the Salaka at the last SIF and you'll
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  understand much better what I'm saying.
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  OK, So that would make a lot of sense that Dalit is completely
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  broken off. And if hey, it's not completely
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  broken off. And that also explains why the,
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  the let's keep reading Sirga by Gemi by Mashika in Hey, it says
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  not by Dalit, not you attach it or you reattach it with some
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  kind of gemi or a string or a rope.
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  You do some kind of a temporary fix so it still stays on and you
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  can use it Hariza Khatzatzit, that doesn't help.
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  It's still a Khatzitza. In other words, if it's sticking
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  out, then it doesn't and then we said it's a Khatzitza.
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  And the point is it doesn't help to do this temporary fix.
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  If it's a permanent fix, then sure, it works.
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  It's if it's a temporary fix that doesn't help because
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  eventually that's the whole problem with Dalit in the 1st
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  place is because we're assuming you're going to come and cut it
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  off and replace it because it's sticking out and it's not
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  usable. It's not functional.
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  So therefore it's hot sets it. Dove Kabusrav ain't a hot sets
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  it. But if you do some kind of a
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  glue and it's permanent, so then it's no longer hot sets it.
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  OK, very good. Let's read Vav and when we get
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  to the end of the CE, the Siman, you'll better understand even
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  what we just said. Cleave kafa peeve lamata
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  wikiniso lemayi. OK, now this is very relevant.
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  Anytime we take dishes. I mean in in the future when
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  we're more maqbi than tumantara. But nowadays when we do to be LS
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  calium when we get dishes from Anandji.
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  So we say akli. You can't turn it upside down,
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  right? If you have, let's say a bottle,
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  some kind of A and, and you want to turn, you want to put it in.
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  So we're saying put it in from the below, you know the bottom,
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  how it stands, you put that in first and the opening is upward.
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  But that's how we normally do it, right?
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  We mentioned obviously if it's an exact, you know, 40 miqva, so
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  you have other issues of splashing out whatever, but
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  that's not for that's not for here.
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  Normally we never have that issue of an exact 40 miqva.
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  So generally speaking, you should if you want to put it in
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  upside down, right, the opening downwards impeved Sarkisat villa
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  hafa peeve lamala low altolo tila shula.
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  So it says like this, it's very important to put it where the
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  opening is facing upward. Let's say when you put it in all
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  the way, obviously no water is going to go inside the Cle until
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  you put it all the way in. Then the water is going to
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  quickly fill up and all the entire inside will be filled
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  with water because you need the the entire surface to be covered
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  up with water. All right, except for The only
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  exception is beta styrene. It only has to be able to get
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  water, but this is not called beta styrene.
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  The entire higher clean needs to be filled up with water.
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  But if you do it upside down, the assumption is generally
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  speaking, it's not going to be completely filled with water.
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  You're going to end up with air bubbles at the very least.
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  Or it could be a big pocket, either a small pocket or big
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  pocket of air. And therefore we assume the
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  mikvah did not work and it's going to stay tummy hugga
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  motorolivable clean. But OK, so we explain that and
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  if you're going to put it in upside down, then when you're
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  it's when it's in the water, obviously just flip it before
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  you take it out. Pretty simple.
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  The box says that. The box says even if it has a
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  wide mouth, it's not going to work.
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  You're right. The shock points out even if it
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  has a very wide opening, it's still a problem.
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  Like if you're going to put a pitcher, don't put a pitcher
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  upside down unless you make sure when it's inside the water, you
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  flip it so that the water goes in there.
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  OK, let's keep reading. Haggah mutter litbo kliebe tokli
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  in yech befi hakizon kishwa ferret hanod.
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  Now what if you want to put a Klee inside a Klee?
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  You want to put a dish inside a bowl.
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  You want to put a dish inside a bottle.
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  Now you want to put a fork or a knife inside a bottle.
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  One of the reasons why you might do that is it's harder to lose
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  it if you let. If you let go, it's less likely
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  to for it to fall out and get lost or slip out of your
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  fingers, whatever, whatever the case is a Klee inside a Klee.
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  So it depends. He says La Khakila if if the
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  opening of the Klee is kishvil ferretanode, right, the opening
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  of the bottle or the bowl, whatever is in there, if it
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  would be more than let's let's just say 4 or 5 centimeters
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  Kishvil ferretanode no problem. Yeah, I'll keep reading and then
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  we'll come back. V Zaher Shakleea pennimi.
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  Hey, Rafawe bittauch clia hitson.
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  And then but make sure though, the inner cleave is loose inside
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  so that it can get water all around it.
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  But the inner cleave still needs to be have water all the way
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  around it. Now, just I don't want to get
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  too technical. The shock just points out the
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  only time it's a problem over here is if the outer cleave is
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  tower or if you're going for mikvas to be less kaling the
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  outer Clee. Really it's it already was
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  toveld or you're just putting it there as a khumra.
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  Maybe doesn't need to be toveld if you're using something like I
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  don't know about the rice and darabana that's but if one is
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  and 1 isn't right. But anyways, the shock just
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  points out if the outer Clee is tame and it's for sure, then
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  it's not a problem. Even if it's even if it's not
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  Kishwa Ferreta node, it won't be a problem because because the
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  out because one is being careful what you're saying once because
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  one is becoming tame. If the outer one is becoming
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  tahar AG of the outer CLI, the inner cli's going to become
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  tahar with it. We don't have the same.
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  It doesn't. We don't have to worry about
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  Kishwa Ferreta node. But let's keep, let's go on
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  Loyithov sakinim talk, Delete reads Bilam just points out.
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  I don't think we do this anyway. If you're going to put a basket
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  in there or some kind of a plastic container and you want
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  to put your knife in there, right, I mentioned you, you want
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  to have holes in there and then you have no issues, right?
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  As long as you have enough holes that add up to a chef ferret, I
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  know you're not going to have an issue.
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  So all of our our basket that has holes and all the water just
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  drains right out. So whenever you go to a mikvah
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  and they have those little crates or whatever openings, a
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  dish with openings so that you're you can put multiple
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  utensils at the same time. That's not a problem.
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  Each hole gets you can combine each hole.
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  It doesn't. You don't have to worry about
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  each hole does by itself. Doesn't have to be Kishwa
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  Ferratan Hood. We learned that before anyways,
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  he's just telling you don't take a knife and stab it into the
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  walls of your basket, because then it's going to be and you
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  and you do that when it's before you it gets wet, because then
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  the then the wall and the knife is going to be touching tightly
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  against the walls of your basket.
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  That's stabbed and therefore it, that's going to be a hatshita.
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  So lo kilo TA alette to vila barocham because at the at the
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  head of it where it's you stabbed it into the your basket,
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  the the mikvah is not going to work.
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  Bahrain IMA klia panimi who coveyed Umunach T.O.K hakizan
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  lotallo tibila by Malcolm Shamunach.
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  It also tells you if you're going to put something inside a
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  clip and now and you do it outside when everything is dry
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  and it's very and it's very heavy.
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  If it would be very heavy, then the pressure is not normal, not
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  regular resting pressure. It's a very heavy cleave.
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  It's gonna push down on the cleave, on the buckets or
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  whatever you're putting it into, and there it's gonna be tightly
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  pressed against it when it was dry, and then it's gonna be a
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  Kutsitza. Now the shock just says normally
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  it's not. It's never really going to be an
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  issue because they're not heavy enough unless you fill up the
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  inside of the clay that it'll make enough pressure.
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  But anyways, then he goes on to say, but let's say you want to
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  put in a huge amount, lots of cutlery at the same time in a
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  basket. So I don't have an exact amount
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  to say, and obviously there may be different opinions on the
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  matter. But bottom line, if you're going
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  to put a lot of utensils in a basket, let's say right, you
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  have these baskets or crates so you can toevil, you know, twenty
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  forks and knives at the same time are spoons.
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  So the idea is over here, if you're going to put one beside
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  another one, you know, side by side, all of them.
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  So the shock says for sure, that's no problem.
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  That's going to be perfect. Even if there's a little bit of
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  touching and overlapping when you put it in the water, it's
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  going to jiggle a little bit and they're all going to get wet.
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  If you're going to start piling, I don't know, let's just say 30
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  forks, you know, metal forks and knives all at the same time
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  while it's dry and then you'd lower it into the mikvah.
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  That might be a problem. If you don't shake it and move
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  them all, then that could be a real problem because then that
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  might be a khatsitsa, one resting on the other.
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  So I would say don't put so many at the same time.
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  And when you do, like don't pile them on top of each other.
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  And then if you or whatever, maybe if it's one layer, it
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  depends what the limits is. But if you're going to have at
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  least one piled on the other, then you better jiggle it or
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  move them around, hold it with one hand and then with the other
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  hand move them all around so that at least for one second the
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  water is going to get through. Again, I don't know what's the,
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  you know, what's the maximum that's reasonable, but better
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  just to for the mainly just lay them out side by side.
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  And again, it's OK if there's a little bit of overlapping, but
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  if there's a lot of overlapping, then that's when it could become
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  a real question or you're going to have to make sure you do a
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  good shake so that they all get water.
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  Fine, fine, let's do Zion, Klee, Shitzhar, Mikan, Umikan, Miraka
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  Beemsa. If you have a Klee that has a
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  big, I don't know, in the Hebrew they call it a betten.
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  I don't know. We don't, we don't really say a
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  belly, a stomach in America for a bottle.
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  But you have like a bottle where it's it gets wide in the middle,
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  but at the very bottom and at the very top it's very narrow.
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  So he says in a Mayan Bayan local cold side Achiateo al
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  Sido, if I'm not exactly sure, but bottom line, you just have
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  to get the water out. You have to get the air out and
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  the water in. So whatever the case might be,
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  you might have to make sure the clue you put it sideways and
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  then that'll work just, or move it around, I don't know, spin it
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  around 360, whatever you need to do just to make sure that any
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  shape you have. Now, I don't see it over here,
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  but there's an interesting case in the in the in the Mishnah and
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  it's empiric yud where it has a case where the lip of the cleave
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  goes inward. And I don't know how to explain
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  that, but you have like a regular, let's say you take a
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  regular picture and the top lip is bend over inward.
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  So you have this inside lip and it just says that the water can
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  never get there if you don't actually drill a little hole to
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  the side of that lip so that the air bubbles get out.
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  A soup terrain, a soup terrain, right?
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  So if you have a rim that's that's that's folded inward, ask
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  Shiloh that. I'll just, I want to point that
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  out. Let's just finish here.
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  Call Kalisha Pitzar. He'll tear Misha Ferritano any
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  time. The lid, the opening of the
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  bottle is less. That's what it means.
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  It means less than make sure that when you put it in the
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  mikvah, you leave it there long enough for water to get in.
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  Because it's so narrow, it takes time.
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  It's not immediate. Or fill it up with outside the
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  mikvah and then put it in. And when you put it in, there'll
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  be a kibur. What's interesting is the shock.
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  We're not going to get into it, but just as a a quick little
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  rule to help you understand, there's a principle of you need
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  to make in order to make a kibur of two separate bodies of water,
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  then you need to have kishva ferra tanod.
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  But here if if you mentioned right, you filled it up with
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  water and then you put it in and it's just going to touch with a
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  small little opening. Well, that's OK because for the
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  Klee itself, you don't need kishwa ferra tanode.
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  You just need a mushu of water all the way around it and to
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  connect to it and that's fine. We even had a case of Kihuta
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  Sara. But if you're connecting, if
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  it's the same body, the same container, the same bore, the
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  same mikvah, we learned CUDA sera is enough.
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  So to the CLI itself, in this bore, a CUDA sera of water is
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  enough. The only time Nika Svilferratan
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  know it is if you're connecting completely 2 separate bodies of
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  water. Now generally speaking, the the
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  Shokanarath just says if it's Kishwa Feritanode, you have to
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  make sure it fills up with water.
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  You have to give it enough time. The shock just points out
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  depends on the Mitzius. Sometimes even Kishwa Feritanode
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  takes time and you also have to make sure it takes time to fill
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  it up on all sides. OK, last eve.
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  Now this is important. It goes back to what we said
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  before, Yadotak helium shahim arukot the atila Kotsitsan.
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  Let's say you have a long handle to a clique and it works just
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  fine. There's no problem and it's not
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  broken. It's longer than you need.
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  You're having in mind to trim it.
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  It's a little bit annoying. It's too long and you don't need
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  it that long, doesn't fit in your cabinet.
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  I don't know. Whatever the reason is, you want
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  to shorten, it gets in the way. But right now it's it's longer,
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  but it works and there's no problems function.
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  So then, but in the future you're planning to cut it off
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  Mat Bill ADD Nikom Shaati Lacotes Vidayo, since you know
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  you're going to shorten it, make a mark and mental mark or
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  whatever it is. Where are you or I don't care.
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  You can write on it. You can make a mark where you're
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  going to cut it off. And then you only have to you
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  need to dip. You only have to dip it into the
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  mikvah up until that mark or up until where you're going to cut
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  it off. The entire length of the handle
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  does not have to be in the mikvah because you're planning
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  to cut it off at a certain point.
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  That point that you're going to cut off, that the rest of the
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  handle, the extra whatever you don't need, that doesn't have to
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  get wet, doesn't have to go in the mikvah.
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  It only has to be until there. And we call that connection Beta
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  Sturium. And because right, that
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  connection is beta styrene and beta styrene never needs to get
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  never needs to get wet. It only has to be able to get
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  wet, but doesn't have to actually get wet.
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  Like there can't be a separate Khatsitza problem.
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  And this is so this I'll just point so we're done.
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  This will help you understand better with see if hey, but what
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  I want to just also point out this this halacha is is a source
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  or the principle is the same source.
• 21:53
  There is an opinion we're not going to get into it now all
• 21:56
  over again, but electrical appliances, do you have to dip
• 22:01
  the entire every electric appliance?
• 22:03
  So you have an electric appliance like a hot water urn
• 22:06
  and you plug it into the wall. Do you have, does that have is
• 22:09
  the entire thing is, does that Klee have to go to the mikvah?
• 22:13
  Does the entire Klee have to go to the mikvah?
• 22:15
  So I'm not going to get into it except I want to just point out
• 22:19
  this halacha, this principle is the source for the opinion And I
• 22:23
  believe it's Ramosha. I saw it, but I don't want to
• 22:26
  say 100%. I didn't look it up recently.
• 22:29
  I think he's the one who writes that you only have to dip the
• 22:33
  electric urn up until the bottom of where it fills up water and
• 22:39
  not the extra few inches or centimeters below where the
• 22:46
  electric element is. You only have to you turn it
• 22:49
  upside down basically, but or you have to, but you have to
• 22:52
  make sure it obviously gets filled up with water to the top.
• 22:55
  You dip it until that point just beyond so that it's up to where
• 22:59
  it. And but that electric part,
• 23:02
  because it's like 2 Kaline and he considers it like 2 kaline
• 23:06
  and two separate Kaline that are attached that you're not coming
• 23:12
  to cut it off later. But it's like, but it's the same
• 23:14
  idea. And so that part which is
• 23:17
  covered up is called betastarium and you only have to get water
• 23:21
  up to that point from the outside, but you don't have to
• 23:24
  get the electric element half filled with water.