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Episode 19_ The Lululemon Murder(M4A_128K) · NO FILTER

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  Speaker 1: What's up you guys. I'm Haley and I'm Andrea, and
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  Speaker 1: this is Inhuman all right, So today I am very
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  Speaker 1: excited about this case. Weird to say, but I am
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  Speaker 1: mostly because it's solved. But we are going to be
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  Speaker 1: covering the Lulu Lemon murder aka the murder of Jana Murray.
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  Speaker 1: This one is solved, like I just said, and I
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  Speaker 1: think this is my like official, my first like officially
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  Speaker 1: solved case. Like last week's case of the TikTok murder
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  Speaker 1: is like almost solved, but Michael Lee Dudley is still
• 0:32
  Speaker 1: not like sentenced to jail or you know, like he's
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  Speaker 1: still in the trial phase. So I'm excited that like
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  Speaker 1: this week's will be wrapped up in like a nice
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  Speaker 1: bow if you will.
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  Speaker 2: Me too, because I feel like I've been doing unsolved
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  Speaker 2: cases as well.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, which is like those are those are good to
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  Speaker 1: do their fun because you get to talk about the
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  Speaker 1: theories and then also like they're good to get the
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  Speaker 1: word out there. But still like it's sometimes you just
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  Speaker 1: need a good solved case to make you feel a
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  Speaker 1: little bit better. Absolutely, before we get into it, I
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  Speaker 1: want to just shout out where I got a lot
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  Speaker 1: of the info for this episode. It is from another YouTuber.
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  Speaker 1: Her name is eleanor' neil, and she covered this back
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  Speaker 1: in April of twenty twenty, and she did an amazing job.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of the when I was
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  Speaker 1: first like looking, a lot of the sources I was
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  Speaker 1: finding just had more info on the conviction and like
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  Speaker 1: what happened once the murderer was caught, and not as
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  Speaker 1: much of like the backstory. And so when I found
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  Speaker 1: her video, she just did a really good job of
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  Speaker 1: like consolidating everything. So I just wanted to shout her out,
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  Speaker 1: and I'll have her video like linked down in the
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  Speaker 1: show notes, but I just wanted to shout her out
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  Speaker 1: because she's awesome and she has a bunch of other
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  Speaker 1: videos that I'm really excited to watch because she did
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  Speaker 1: a really good job, and also she has an awesome accent,
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  Speaker 1: so like that just makes it all better. Yeah, So
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to start off this case by talking about
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  Speaker 1: the victim because she deserves all the spotlights that she
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  Speaker 1: can get, and that's just how I wanted to start
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  Speaker 1: off today. So, Jana Murray, I'm pretty sure that's how
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  Speaker 1: you say it. That's how I found it. On all
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  Speaker 1: the sources, so please don't come for me, but pretty sure.
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  Speaker 1: Jana Murray was born in Kansas on November twenty second,
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  Speaker 1: nineteen eighty, making her thirty years old when she was murdered.
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  Speaker 1: When she was young, her family moved to Texas, where
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  Speaker 1: she grew up. Jana was very smart and talented, and
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  Speaker 1: she was a hard worker in school. She was super
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  Speaker 1: adventurous and she loved to be outdoors and around people,
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  Speaker 1: and she loved doing high adrenaline sports like skydiving and
• 2:43
  Speaker 1: bungee jumping, which like that just terrifies me.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so she uh truly lived life to the fullest.
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  Speaker 1: And just a little side note, my sister, I'm pretty
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  Speaker 1: sure is going to go skydiving for her birthday in
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  Speaker 1: September because it's her golden year. And then she asked
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  Speaker 1: Robert to go with her, my fiance, and I'm pretty
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  Speaker 1: sure he's gonna go. So I'm just like, I don't
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  Speaker 1: want to know what you're doing. Just like call me after.
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  Speaker 2: I used to really want to skydive, but I like
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  Speaker 2: grew out of that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I know, that's so scary. Yeah. So Jana
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  Speaker 1: truly lived her life to the fullest. She loved to
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  Speaker 1: travel and she had actually been to six of the
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  Speaker 1: seven continents at just thirty years old, which is like
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  Speaker 1: super impressive. She loved to dance, and she was actually
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  Speaker 1: like at the time taking classes in salsa and tap,
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  Speaker 1: and her instructors had like wanted her to make dancing
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  Speaker 1: a career because of her talent in it. So she
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  Speaker 1: really just like loved doing all different types of things
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  Speaker 1: and was very talented.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: After studying abroad in Spain in college, Jana moved to Washington,
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  Speaker 1: d in the Washington DC area, not not direct Land,
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  Speaker 1: d C, where she met her boyfriend Fraser, and they'd
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  Speaker 1: been together for a long time and not long before
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  Speaker 1: Jana was murdered, Fraser had been looking at engagement rings
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  Speaker 1: ready to propose. Oh my gosh, and that literally I
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  Speaker 1: started crying when I read that because I was like,
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  Speaker 1: that's just so yeah, And it was even it was
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  Speaker 1: like a couple months before, like it wasn't like he
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  Speaker 1: was gonna do it, which is, oh, that's so sa
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  Speaker 1: I hate that. Anyway, she was always laughing and making
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  Speaker 1: other smile and her family described her smile as a
• 4:35
  Speaker 1: megawatt smile, which I just love that like way to
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  Speaker 1: describe a smile.
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  Speaker 2: That's when you know, it's like a big, beautiful smile exactly.
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  Speaker 1: Jana worked at Lulu Lemon while she was earning two
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  Speaker 1: degrees in college in both business and communications. At the
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  Speaker 1: time of her murder, she had been working there for
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  Speaker 1: a while and she had loved working for Lulu Lemon
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  Speaker 1: and had worked a way up to a general manager
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  Speaker 1: at the store, which meant she had like a set
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  Speaker 1: of keys at the store, and that's why she was
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  Speaker 1: on the closing shift the night that she was murdered.
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  Speaker 1: She was really popular among her co workers and they
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  Speaker 1: all described her happiness as infectious. So we are in
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  Speaker 1: March of twenty eleven, March eleventh, twenty eleven, to be specific.
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  Speaker 1: We're at a Lululemon store in a mall in Bethesda, Maryland.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm sure a lot of people know this, but
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  Speaker 1: some may not, so I'm just gonna like explain what
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  Speaker 1: Lululemon is. Lulemon Athletica is a line of ath leisure
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  Speaker 1: and exercise gear, mainly known for their expensive leggings slash
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  Speaker 1: yoga pants. Their leggings are usually in the one hundred
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  Speaker 1: dollars range, and they have all different types they also
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  Speaker 1: sell like shorts and tops and jackets and stuff like that,
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  Speaker 1: and they also sell other workout gear or other ath
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  Speaker 1: leisure gear and men's clothes, and I am guilty of
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  Speaker 1: shopping there. I love their leggings, and like, I am
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  Speaker 1: a big believer that they're so worth it. I know
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  Speaker 1: they're expensive, but I literally still have pairs that I
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  Speaker 1: had like eight years ago that are still in good shape,
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  Speaker 1: so like, in my opinion, they're worth it. And I
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  Speaker 1: feel like now there's like way more brands that have
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  Speaker 1: nice leggings, Like you can get nice leggings from other stores,
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  Speaker 1: but like that, when I got my first pair of
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  Speaker 1: LULUs in like twenty eleven twenty twelve, they were like
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  Speaker 1: one of the only brands out there at least that
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  Speaker 1: I knew of, that had good quality leggings and like
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  Speaker 1: other brands would completely loosen up. So they became known
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  Speaker 1: for being like really good quality leggings kind of when
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  Speaker 1: the leggings phase was just hitting, like people were just
• 6:51
  Speaker 1: starting to wear leggings as pants, and they were like
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  Speaker 1: the best brand that you could find. So that's why
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  Speaker 1: I got my luluse and I just had to defend
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  Speaker 1: myself because I do love them, and a lot of
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  Speaker 1: people kind of like get shit for wearing LULUs and
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  Speaker 1: having a lot of Luus, but they really are good quality.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, just saying so. Lululemon stores are in a
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  Speaker 1: lot of malls, and there was one in this Bethesda,
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  Speaker 1: Maryland shopping complex and it was like an outdoor shopping
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  Speaker 1: mall with a ton of stores, more like a complex,
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  Speaker 1: not your typical indoor mall, and Lulu Lemon was right
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  Speaker 1: next to the Apple store, which I feel like kind
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  Speaker 1: of tends to happen because I don't know if you've
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  Speaker 1: ever noticed, but it seems like in malls they put
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  Speaker 1: the like fancier stores closer together, which makes sense. And
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  Speaker 1: so it was right next door to Apple. And this
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  Speaker 1: specific area of Maryland was near Washington, d C. And
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  Speaker 1: it was a nice like middle to upper class or
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  Speaker 1: middle to middle upper class area, so like not upper
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  Speaker 1: class but not like you know, they people had money
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  Speaker 1: to spend.
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  Speaker 2: And it's expensive in Maryland into like when I like, it's, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it's pretty penny.
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  Speaker 1: To buy a house there, right, that doesn't surprise me,
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  Speaker 1: especially that close to DC, like suburbs of DC. That's
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  Speaker 1: what you're going to get. So on March twelfth, twenty eleven, Rachel,
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  Speaker 1: the store manager at this Lulu Lemon, got to the
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  Speaker 1: store to open up for the day and she noticed
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  Speaker 1: that the door was unlocked. And obviously this was immediately
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  Speaker 1: a red flag. I mean, any time you're expecting the
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  Speaker 1: door to be locked and it isn't, it's going to
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  Speaker 1: be scary. But at this point, she kind of just
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  Speaker 1: thought someone had left it unlocked and didn't expect at
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  Speaker 1: all what she was about to see. You know, the door,
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  Speaker 1: it was closed, It wasn't like it was shattered or
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  Speaker 1: something like that, so she didn't expect to see anything bad.
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  Speaker 1: She just thought someone had left it unlocked. When she
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  Speaker 1: went inside, she noticed that some things were out of place.
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  Speaker 1: From photos that I've seen, it doesn't really look like
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  Speaker 1: it's completely ransacked like you would expect if it had
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  Speaker 1: been robbed, but it was clear that something had happened,
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  Speaker 1: at least from you know, the very front of the store.
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  Speaker 1: And I'll post some of the photos on our Instagram
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  Speaker 1: so you can kind of see what it looked like.
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  Speaker 1: But I am also just going to caution if you
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  Speaker 1: google photos for this case, just be careful if you
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  Speaker 1: don't want.
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  Speaker 2: To see some explicit. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, some of the photos of the victim is just
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  Speaker 1: and even of the store are very explicit, and there's
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  Speaker 1: a lot of blood and stuff like that, and I'm
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  Speaker 1: not going to post any of those on our Instagram.
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  Speaker 1: So if you don't want to see any of that,
• 9:30
  Speaker 1: then don't google it. Just just go look on our
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  Speaker 1: instagram because it's like you, yeah, that I didn't want
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  Speaker 1: to see that, which I mean, I knew that as
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  Speaker 1: I went into googling, But this is me warning you
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  Speaker 1: because I didn't listen to the warning.
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  Speaker 2: Same I did the same thing.
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  Speaker 1: So as soon as she noticed that like things were
• 9:53
  Speaker 1: more out of place and she could tell something was up,
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  Speaker 1: she ran outside because at this point she had no
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  Speaker 1: clue what had happened. She didn't know if there was
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  Speaker 1: a robber still inside or like what was going on.
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  Speaker 1: So she ran outside and called the police. And as
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  Speaker 1: I mentioned earlier, the lou Lemon store was right next
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  Speaker 1: door to an Apple store, and that morning happened to
• 10:18
  Speaker 1: be the day that the iPad two was launching, which, like,
• 10:21
  Speaker 1: when I heard that, I was like, that's crazy, because
• 10:24
  Speaker 1: twenty eleven feels like yesterday, but that was ten years ago,
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  Speaker 1: like wild whole decade.
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  Speaker 2: I know, that's crazy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So the iPad two was launching, so because of that,
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  Speaker 1: there was actually a crowd of people outside the Apple
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  Speaker 1: Store like waiting for it to open, and one of
• 10:42
  Speaker 1: the men in line actually noticed Rachel and how she
• 10:44
  Speaker 1: seemed to be in distress, and he went over to
• 10:47
  Speaker 1: see if she was okay, and Rachel asked the man
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  Speaker 1: if he had seen anyone go in or out of
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  Speaker 1: the store, because he had been there for like two
• 10:55
  Speaker 1: hours waiting for the Apple Store to open. You know,
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  Speaker 1: there's always lines and stuff when stuff like that happens,
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  Speaker 1: so he hadn't seen anything, but he did offer to
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  Speaker 1: go back into the store with her to check it out.
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  Speaker 1: And as they were walking through the store, they noticed
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  Speaker 1: that things looked to be more ransacked the further back
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  Speaker 1: they got. So from the front of the store it
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  Speaker 1: just looked like there were a couple things, but as
• 11:15
  Speaker 1: you walk towards the back, there was more and more
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  Speaker 1: out of place. When they got to the back where
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  Speaker 1: the cash registers were, they saw that all the registers,
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  Speaker 1: along with the safes that the store had, had all
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  Speaker 1: been emptied. There were like receipts all over the floor,
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  Speaker 1: and so it was clear that somebody had like really
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  Speaker 1: ransacked this part of the store and you know, stolen
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  Speaker 1: the money out of the registers.
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  Speaker 2: That's so crazy that someone would do that in a
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  Speaker 2: mall store, you know.
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  Speaker 1: I know. And that's why I like, I think this
• 11:45
  Speaker 1: was a little different from your typical mall because it
• 11:47
  Speaker 1: was kind of like an outdoor area. And I feel
• 11:50
  Speaker 1: like I'm really used to that because in California, most
• 11:53
  Speaker 1: of our malls are outdoors, like there's not a ton
• 11:56
  Speaker 1: that are actually indoor, so I'm more used to that.
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  Speaker 1: But when I was in the Midwest, like you like,
• 12:01
  Speaker 1: the outside of a mall is just like it looks
• 12:03
  Speaker 1: like a box and then you go inside and it's
• 12:05
  Speaker 1: the mall. But this one was a little bit more
• 12:08
  Speaker 1: of the like outdoor shopping complex versus being like an
• 12:11
  Speaker 1: actual typical mall. Okay, So I guess it would make
• 12:15
  Speaker 1: it a little more like likely because it's not like
• 12:18
  Speaker 1: you have to walk into a mall and then into
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  Speaker 1: a store. You're just like going from outside. So I'm
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  Speaker 1: guessing once Rachel and the man from the Apple store
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  Speaker 1: line saw this, they were just thinking it was like
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  Speaker 1: a robbery and robbers had stolen all the cash. So
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  Speaker 1: they actually kept going through the store into the two
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  Speaker 1: back rooms, and when they went into the first one,
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  Speaker 1: it was a disaster. And again I'll post some like
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  Speaker 1: photos and stills from the video footage that was taken,
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  Speaker 1: because it's honestly kind of scary how the room looked.
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  Speaker 1: There were things thrown all over, there was broken glass everywhere,
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  Speaker 1: and then they noticed blood and there was a lot
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  Speaker 1: of blood. There was a trail of blood that looked
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  Speaker 1: like someone had been draged, and then there were bloody
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  Speaker 1: footprints in the back room and even back out onto
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  Speaker 1: the store floor. They noticed at this point, wow, And
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  Speaker 1: up until now they had only seen the blood and
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  Speaker 1: they didn't see bodies or anything. So Rachel kind of
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  Speaker 1: decided to stay in the front part of the store
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  Speaker 1: and was talking to police on the phone while the
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  Speaker 1: man went back into the second room to check it
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  Speaker 1: out and like see what was going on. So he
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  Speaker 1: followed the bloody footprints and he came across a body.
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  Speaker 1: The body was laying face down in a pool of
• 13:32
  Speaker 1: blood with a rope around the neck, and the man
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  Speaker 1: assumed it was a woman because of the long hair.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, he was very disturbed and panicked at this point,
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  Speaker 1: so he started to go back into the main part
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  Speaker 1: of the store where Rachel was when he heard a
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  Speaker 1: noise coming from further back in the store. Nope, like
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  Speaker 1: I'd be terrified, I would run the other way. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but he bravely decided to go see what this sound was,
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  Speaker 1: and when he got to the employee bathroom, he found
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  Speaker 1: another woman, also covered in blood, but not as much
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  Speaker 1: as the first. This woman had her hands and feet
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  Speaker 1: zip tied and she had cuts and scrapes all over
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  Speaker 1: her body. But the man did notice that it wasn't
• 14:18
  Speaker 1: like actual stab wounds or anything. She was just cut
• 14:22
  Speaker 1: all over, kind of like what you would think you'd
• 14:26
  Speaker 1: get from like falling down a bunch of rocks or
• 14:28
  Speaker 1: something like that. But they were all over her body
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  Speaker 1: and there was blood all over her, so he wasn't
• 14:34
  Speaker 1: one hundred percent sure, like maybe she had gotten cut
• 14:37
  Speaker 1: or a big injury somewhere. And then he noticed that
• 14:41
  Speaker 1: she was breathing, and he obviously freaked out because even
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: though he couldn't see a big cut or wound, there
• 14:47
  Speaker 1: was still a lot of blood around her, and so
• 14:49
  Speaker 1: he realized that this woman needed to get to the hospital,
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: and he ran back out to Rachel to tell her
• 14:55
  Speaker 1: to get an ambulance, And at this point Rachel realized
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  Speaker 1: who these two who women were. They were two of
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: her employees that had worked the closing shift the night before.
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: Twenty eight year old Brittany Norwood was the one that
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: was still breathing and the other woman was thirty year
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: old Jaya Murray. So when police got there, they saw
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: all of the blood and put together that this was
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: a brutal attack. They discovered that Brittany had been zip
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  Speaker 1: tied like I said, and although she was still clothed,
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: her shirt was pulled up over her stomach and her
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: leggings had a hole cut in the crotch. And then
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: in the employee bathroom where Brittany was, they found a
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: bloody rock and assumed that's what was used to attack her,
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: at least on the forehead where she had a giant gash.
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: And they also found other signs of a struggle in
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: the room, including a hangar with blood on it, empty
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: Windex bottles, and just like random shit all over the
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: room like it was just a disaster. The paramedics took
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: Brittany to the hospital while the other paramedics pronounced Jana
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: Murray dead on the scene. On top of Jana, the
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: police actually found the store's toolbox sitting open and almost
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: completely empty. The room that Jana was in, as I
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: mentioned earlier, was completely destroyed and gruesome. So just an
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  Speaker 1: additional trigger warning because I'm gonna describe some of the blood,
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  Speaker 1: So if you want to skip ahead, like thirty seconds,
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  Speaker 1: do that now so that you can skip over that part.
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  Speaker 1: The entire room had like a thin layer of blood
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: covering the floor, like it literally looked like the floor
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  Speaker 1: was just red because of the blood all over it,
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  Speaker 1: and there were thicker pools of blood around her body.
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  Speaker 1: There was also blood spatter on the walls, some of
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: it up to six feet high, which is just crazy
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  Speaker 1: to me.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, that's like a big artery.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. Most of the tools in the toolbox were
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: scattered around the room with blood on them, and there
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  Speaker 1: were also bloody footprints all around the room and the
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: other back rooms as I mentioned, and the footprints were
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: actually identified by crime scene investigators as coming from two
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: different shoes. One was suspected to be a smaller woman's
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: shoe around a size like five or six US size,
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: and the other was suspected to be a man's shoe
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: around size fourteen, which is actually like really big. Yeah really,
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  Speaker 1: So the larger of the footprints led up and led
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: up to and stopped at a sink, leading that the police,
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: leading the police to think that the killer like took
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: the shoes off and rinsed them in the sink and
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: then took the shoes with them, or changed shoes or
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: did something. And police actually believed at this point that
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: possibly the person went towards a fire exit door that
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: was at the back of the store, because there was
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: blood leading up to that and on the door handle. However,
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: there was no blood at all outside the door, so
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: that confused them because they were like, if he went
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: up to the door, why wouldn't he leave out that door.
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: So then I thought maybe the blood came from one
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: of the women trying to escape, And this theory was
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: helped by the fact that there was a key that
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: was in the door, which would have been the only
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: way to open it, and clearly only the employees have
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: the key, so they thought maybe one of the women
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: women were like either forced to go or just were
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: trying to escape, and that's why there was blood leading
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: up to it and then they were caught before they
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: got out. So right away, there are a lot of
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: theories about what happened here, and we'll get more into
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: those as we talk about how the investigation went in
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: a little bit. But first we're going to cover the
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: autopsy of Jana, and again just a little trigger warning additionally,
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: because this is like a really brutal crime and I
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: think to tell the story you have to explain, But
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: just that little warning. So, Jana sustained at least three
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: hundred and thirty one separate wounds. That's the low end
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: of the estimate.
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: That's what they could tell. Yeah.
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, upward of one hundred and five of those were
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: defensive wounds, indicating that she was alive during a lot
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: of the attack. There were stab wounds, strangulation marks, and
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: like blunt force wounds. Around two hundred of the three
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: hundred and thirty one wounds were to her face and neck.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: Two hundred to just her face and neck.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: That's not even enough area like surface area that's.
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: Insorting, and the rest were mainly on her arms, chest
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: and torso. So a lot of those indicated kind of
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: defensive wounds like trying to cover her face or whatever.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: Hold on, I'm on closed the door, Robert, just go home. No, Hi, No,
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: he's flipping me off.
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: What it's heard?
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: I know. Okay. Her skull itself literally caved in at
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: one point or at one part of it, and it
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: sustained thirteen different fractures, which led to bruising of her brain. So, like,
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: this takes a lot of force. This isn't just hitting
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: someone hard. This is like full on going at them,
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: beating them, intending Yeah, yeah, you guys can't see me,
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: but I'm like stabbing with my hand, like trying to
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: indicate because it is like bruising the brain. That takes
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: a lot of force.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it does. That's what your skull is there for,
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: to protect your brain. So that should exactly, you know, yeah,
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: under exactly the circumstances. It's so crazy. I left you
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: and no, bigger kiddo, I left.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: You know you wouldn't come in here. Yeah he came
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: in here.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: Go.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: I even put clothes out there for you and I
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: I'm preaing the oven so you can make any go on,
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: Mackie on d okay, I don't know. So they determined
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: at this point that they used that the attacker used
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: at least five different weapons, including the wrench and hammer
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: from the tool box, a rope that was found around
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: her neck, and then a merchandise rack that was found
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: near the body, so like one of those things that
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: a bunch of clothes hangs on. Yes, God, yeah. The
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: worst part of this all is that the medical examiner
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: believes that Jana was alive for all of these wounds.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: There was bruising and bleeding around the wounds that showed
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: that she was still like breathing when she got these.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: She may not have been fully conscious during the entire attack,
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: but she was alive, and they basically said she didn't
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: die until the last hit.
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: Wow, that's horrific.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: I know. She was ultimately killed by a stab wound
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: to the back of her neck that literally pierced her brain,
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: and the medical examiner said in court that the final
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: stab wound she received would have killed her like within
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: a minute.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. I'm supprissed, surprised she didn't bleed out
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: because of all the.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: Blood I know, I know, Well, we'll find out later,
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: like we I mean, it's not ever been proven how
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: long the attack was, but it's likely that it was
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: pretty quick. I mean relatively, like, yeah, you know, with
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: how much this is. It wasn't like she was beaten
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: a bunch and then just laying there. It seemed like
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: the attack just like kept going. So now Britney, the
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: other victim, was in the hospital. She had been rushed
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: from the scene to the hospital as police feared that
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: she was near death. They couldn't tell exactly what her
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: wounds were from just looking at her since there was
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: so much blood.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: I can hear the squeaky toy. I hear like Manny
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: screaming in the background and the squeaky toy in you.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: But this is real life, so children. So because there
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: was so much blood, they basically assumed that she was
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: badly injured and they couldn't see where the wound was
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: coming from. And I mean that makes sense, like sometimes
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: if you get a really bad cut, there's like a
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: ton of blood and you don't know, like then you
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: clean it off and you're like, oh, that's like tiny.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: So they didn't know, so they rushed her to the hospital. However,
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: when the doctors examined her, most of her wounds were
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: actually very superficial and didn't really require a lot of
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: medical attention, and she had only two like real wounds,
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: you know that needed like stitches or something like that.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: And she did tell police that she had been sexually
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: salted and raped, So they did perform a rape kit,
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: and we'll find out those results later on. As we're
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: talking about the suspects and stuff like that. Police decided
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: to question her that night, wanting to figure out what
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: happened and capture whoever did this. So I'm going to
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: like explain her version of events and what she told
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: police that night. So she said that the closing shift
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: went as it normally did, and that the two girls
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: had closed up, locked the doors, and left heading home
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: in different directions. But Brittany realized that she didn't have
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: her wallet with her, meaning she couldn't use the metro
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: to get home, so she ended up she actually called
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: like a bunch of employees because she didn't have Jana's
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: number and she couldn't reach anybody. And then eventually she
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: was able to get Jana's number, and Jana was already
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: halfway home, but Brittany asked her to come back to
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: unlock the doors and let Brittany like go in to
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: get her wallet because basically she couldn't get home, like
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: because she needed her Metro card. So because of the
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: amazing person Jena was, and because she had also accidentally
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: left her laptop at the store, she agreed to return
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: to unlock the door for Brittany, and when she got
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: back to the store, Gina just quickly like parked her
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: car right outside, not in a proper spot, and the
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: two ran into the store to grab their things. They
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: actually left the door unlocked since they were just going
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: in quickly and they didn't even turn the lights on,
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: like they were pretty much running in to grab their
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: things and come out. They were looking all over for
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: the Metro card and couldn't find it, and so Jana
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: actually offered for Brittany to just use hers, and Brittany
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: said as they went to leave, that's when things went wrong.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: She said that they noticed that the front door to
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: the store was wide open, and then right after two
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: men ambushed them. The taller of the two men hit
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: Jana on the head and then dragged her back to
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: the back room, while the shorter man forced Brittany to
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: the cash registers and made her open them. Brittany said
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: that the man dragged her into a different back room
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: where he zip tied her ankles and hands together and
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: began to torture her. She said that she thought that
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: he wasn't really trying to kill her, just trying to
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: hurt and torture her, calling her racial slurs and threatening her.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: And she said that he then cut open her leggings
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: and raped her, then apparently left the room, returned with
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: a coat hanger, and assaulted her again. Brittany explained that
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: she this whole time could hear Jana being attacked, and
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: as time went on, Brittany said Jana's screams eventually faded out,
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: so she knew something was happening to Jana. She said
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: the men then took her and threw her on top
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: of Jana's dead body, where they told her they would
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: spare her life because quote, she was more fun to fuck.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: That's what they told her. After that, the men grabbed
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: her and threw her into the employee bathroom, where they
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: left her to be found.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: So, during the autopsy of Jenna or Jana, sorry Jana,
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: did they determine that she had been sexually assaulted. I
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: don't know if they ever Okay, I don't know if
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: they ever tested it.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: They never It never came up. I don't know if
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: she was so brutally like beaten that they didn't test
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: it or like, since Jana also Brittany didn't. I don't
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: think ever said she knew for sure Jana was sexually assaulted.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: She's just she just said she was and she could
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: hear Jana being attacked. So yeah, I don't. I don't
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: know if they ever tested it, but if they did,
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: I didn't find it anywhere.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: They probably did, and that probably came back either inconclusive
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: or no evidence right or something right.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: So while telling this story to police, Brittany really struggled,
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: and she kept blaming herself for the reason they had
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: gone back, and she was clearly traumatized and kept asking
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: how Jana was doing, indicating that she didn't know that
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: Jana was actually dead. So after this interview, police full
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: On went into investigation mode to find out who these
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: two men were. They checked CCTV footage from the Apple
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: store which was right next door, like I mentioned before,
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: and on that footage they saw two men dressed in
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: black walking down the road around the same time that
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: the women would have originally left the shop, right, And
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: they released that media or that footage to the media,
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: and they released that there were two male suspects and
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: although they didn't have any sketches or anything, they advised
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: everybody to look out for these men. Police started interviewing
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: others that were in the area that night, and there
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: was actually an employee working the closing shift at Apple
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: that had some interesting things to say. She said that
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: she heard quote screaming, squealing, and a lot of banging
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: coming from the Lulu Lemon that light that night, and
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: she described this as quote high pitched screams mixed with
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: lower pitched grunting and dragging noises as if something heavy
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: was being moved. And this woman asked the Apple store
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: security guard, because they always have a security guard there,
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: so she asked him to check it out, and he
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: didn't like go over to the store or anything, but
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: he listened and then eventually banged on the wall to
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: kind of be like hey, shut up, like quiet, and
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: they it did stop, and they never went around to
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: check or call police, which like, looking back, you're like,
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: why the hell wouldn't you do that? But also I understand,
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: like I feel like we're almost we're all like almost
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: conditioned to not get into other people's business and not
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: get involved. Plus there's also the whole bystander effect where
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: everyone thinks like, well, if it's bad enough, someone else
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: will call. So this is your reminder, no call the police.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: You're always better safe than sorry. It's better they come
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: check it out and nothing's going wrong than the other
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: way around.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: Someone is always being murdered.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: Just think that, yes, yes, And like the other thing
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: is even if it's not a murder, like you never
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: know if like there's some like domestic violence going on
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: or something like that, and I know it's like awkward
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: and weird to call the police, but like just call
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: because you never know, and like this could have saved
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: Jana's life.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: So this is off topic and you can cut this
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: out or you can leave it. I don't care. Like
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: earlier this year, my mom and I were leaving to
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: go to like Costco or something, and we were turning
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: off a first street and on the main road there
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: was literally it looked like a body wrapped in a
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: blanket with like tape like it was like a head.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: It was like duct tape around the neck and then
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: duct tape around like the feet. It looked like a
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: child's body. Like I'm not even kidding I took a
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: video of it. I have it I can show to you.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: I don't know why I haven't ever showed it to you,
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: but I called nine one one. I did yeah, and
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: I was like, so, it's gonna be weird, but I
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: think there might be possibly a body on the side.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: She was like, excuse me, and I was like, I
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: don't know what it is, but it looks suspicious. So
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: I had to call it in and she's like, okay,
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: and they did. They can't. When we drove back by there,
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: it was gone. So whatever it was, it was something. Yeah, yeah,
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: I don't think it was a body, but still you
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: never said something I had to.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, good for you. That's how what everybody should do.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: Yes, I'm a true crime junkie, so I've been conditioned.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: Yes, So yeah. The Apple employees never did anything. But
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: from those accounts, they were able to figure out that
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: these attacks happened around ten fifteen or ten thirty, and
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: they actually were then able to like go and see
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: that the alarm was turned off when Brittany and Jane
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: returned to the store at ten oh five PM. So
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: now they have an idea of what time this happen.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: They can try to identify the suspects based on that timeframe,
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: and they really dove headfirst into this investigation. They quickly
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: realized that they hadn't found Jana's car, leading them to
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: the belief that maybe the men had stolen it after
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: the attack. And a different officer on the force actually
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: recognized this car because it had Texas plates and he
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: recalled seeing it parked in a random lot a few
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: blocks away from Lululemon on the night of the attack,
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: and he saw it sitting in the lot with the
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: lights on and someone in the passenger seat around twelve
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: thirty that night or like technically the next morning, but
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: that night. But then two hours after the attack he
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: drove by again, and it was or two hours after that,
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: so that was two hours after the attack that he
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: originally saw it with the people inside, and then two
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: hours after that he passed the car again. I'm guessing
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: he was like patrolling the area and he saw nobody
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: in it and the lights were off. So the police
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: returned to that lot a few days after the attack
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: and the car was still there, so they were able
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: to like impound that start testing it, but that was
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: going to take a little bit of time. So they
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: continued investigating. They didn't have much, so the main detective
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: on the case, Detective Dmitri Reuven, he decided to go
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: to a stakeout at the mall to see if the
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: men would return, and that night he saw two men
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: in all black walk by the store. Oh my god,
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: they had a height difference like Brittany described and they
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: were at the same place at the same time, just
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: a few days after the murder. So Rubin actually approached
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: them that night and he showed them the photos captured
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: from the Apple Store CCTV footage and they admitted that
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: it was them in the footage. But unfortunately, they had
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: a completely innocent reason that they were walking by that
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: night and this night a few days later. They worked
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: at a restaurant a few doors down from the store
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: and had gotten off work around that time both nights,
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: and they wore all black because they were waiters. And
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: of course police verified this, but it was confirmed that
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: they had no involvement in the case.
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: Dun, Dun, dun. They must have worked at cheescake factory.
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: Probably. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a cheesecake
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: factory there too, Like that's where there was now I
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: want cheesecake, I know. Yeah, so police are back to
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: square one. They found another suspect, a homeless man named Keith,
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: and he was known for being somewhat violent, and he
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: hadn't been seen in his regular pub the night of
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: the attacks, so you know, people were kind of like, oh,
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: that's weird. Another person in the area said that he
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: spotted Keith wearing all black and that he had a
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: new friend that was also wearing all black. So they
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: started like looking for him because they didn't know where
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: he was since he was homeless, and they ended up
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: finding him in a hospital where he had like some
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: you know, cuts and scrap and was kind of bloody.
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: They were actually able to arrest Keith for another crime
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: that he was like charged for whatever and hadn't been arrested,
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: so they were able to arrest him, and they started
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: questioning him about his injuries. You know, they couldn't question
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: him about directly about the murder because he wasn't arrested
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: for that, but just about his injuries and what was
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: going on, and he claimed that he had gotten into
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: a fight with another homeless man, and as police were
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: questioning him, they kind of began getting a sense that
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: this man definitely was not capable of the attack on
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: Jaana and Brittany. So eventually they ruled him out, like
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: they just with that and you know, other evidence that
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: like he wasn't actually like super bloody and stuff like that,
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: they were able to rule him out. So at this
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: point police were at a dead end. They had no leads,
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: so they kind of you know, went back to square
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: one and started looking over all of the evidence again.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: And this is when they started to notice some inc
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: consistencies and the evidence or just some things that the
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: first time around they kind of like looked over or
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: you know, wrote off as like, oh, that's not a
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: big deal. But now they were like, okay, we have
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: a different Yeah, like we were looking at it from
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: a different perspective. This is kind of weird. So the
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: first thing you realized was that the attackers hadn't brought
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: any weapons with them. So everything that was used in
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: the attacks, even the zip ties, belonged to the store.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: And that's going to be important later. So remember that
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: the zip ties belonged to the store. On top of that,
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: like the attackers had to actually find the tools in
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: the store. It's not like they were sitting out, Like, yes,
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: they did use that one like merchandise rack, but a
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: lot of it was from the toolbox and that's not
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: something that's just like sitting in playing sight. So these
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: people were going in to like attack somebody, it's weird
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: that they didn't bring stuff. And additionally, this is even
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: like more interesting. It didn't seem like they brought anything
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: to actually break into the store. So like, even if
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: they weren't planning to attack, you can't just like walk
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: into a store, you know, like you have to somehow
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: be able to break in. It could have been that
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: they did bring something and then it was like just
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: they got lucky perfect.
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: Timing that they came.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, so you know that that could have
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: been a thought. But just like it was suspicious to
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: police that it you know, didn't look like they brought
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: anything to break in. The other thing was there were
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: a lot of different weapons used in the attack, so
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: it had to take time for them to like get
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: each of these weapons. And it was actually estimated that
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: the quickest the attack on Jana could have been would
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: have been five minutes, and that means that there was
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: one hit every second, which seems very unlikely. Considering how
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: many and how rutal her wounds were, Like, if it
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: was one every second, you're like, NonStop, and that just
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: doesn't seem possible with how many weapons were used and
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: the force and all of that. So even if it
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: was one hit every three seconds, that would be seventeen
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: minutes long. So like, would two random people just robbing
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: a store actually go and attack like this for that long?
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: I don't think so, Like, especially if you just robbed
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: a store and wanted to get out.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: Of there, like I want to get in and out exactly.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So at this point police are kind of thinking, well,
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: maybe it wasn't random, maybe it was actually targeted at
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: one or both of the girls. So the next thing
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: that the investigators kind of started looking more into were
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: the shoeprints that were left. So if you remember, there
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: were two sets of bloody shoeprints left all around the store.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: One was believed to be from a woman or one
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: of the two women there, and then the other from
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: one of the attackers. But they found it curious that
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: there were only two shoeprints left out of the four
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: people in the store. And even if like, Okay, Britney
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: or Jana was attacked and didn't leave any shoe prints.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: They're still only two for three people. When I first
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: heard this, I was like, that's interesting. But then I
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: was like, well if if Jana no, if so Jana
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: was like already down, and then if Britney was like
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: tied up, maybe she wouldn't make shoeprints. But they did.
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: One of the shoe prints says the shoe prints was
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: significantly smaller and really looked like a woman's set. So
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: like it that doesn't really work.
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And chances are the tinier one was not like
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: another like the other guy that was supposed to be
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: there exactly says five. That's me tiny.
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's like smaller than an average woman. I would say, so, yeah.
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: And as they were looking more into these shoeprins, they
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: actually were asking Rachel, the store manager, about the larger shoes,
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: because they did find the pair of fourteen size fourteen
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: I think they were a pair of Rebok like athletic
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: shoes and they found them in the store, and so
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: they were asking Rachel about it, and she then told
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: them that those shoes belonged to the store, meaning that
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: they were there before the attack and they weren't something
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: that was left behind by the attacker, and this baffled
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: police because they completely thought that these belonged to one
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: of the men, and investigators just couldn't figure out why
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: the man would remove his own shoes, and then even
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: if he did, how did he know those shoes were there? Again,
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: it's not like they were sitting out in playing sight.
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: Like.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: It's just very interesting, yeah, very interesting. And then a
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: few other things that they noticed. At this point in
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: their investigation. They realized that the Apple store employees never
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: actually mentioned hearing any man's voice, even though Brittany had
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: said that her attacker was yelling at her. So they
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: were like, if if what Britney says is true and
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: like he was yelling at her, why didn't they hear
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: a man's voice. Yeah. Investigators also started to think about
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: the discrepancy and injuries between Jana and Brittany. Jana was
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: completely brutalized to a point where she couldn't even be
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: recognized like by looking at her, whereas Brittany had mostly
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: superficial injuries, and police had kind of just like looked
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: over this at first, seeing it as not very important.
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: But now that they were starting to think more about it.
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: They were like, Okay, this is this is not right,
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: which is.
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: So crazy to me because like as soon as you
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: said that and this, you know, I do know this
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: this story. I mean I've heard it before. I don't
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: really remember all the details, but as soon as you
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: said that detail, I was like, red flag.
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. But I guess like with the story Brittany
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: was telling them, they were just like, Okay, yeah, I
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: guess that makes sense. Yeah, so with all of this
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: that they were discovering, they actually started wondering if Britney
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: was in on the attack. So before I go any further,
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: I want to give a little bit of background on Britney,
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: just so you can kind of know who she is.
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: Britney Norwood was born on May nineteenth, nineteen eighty two,
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: making her twenty eight years old at the time of
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: the incident. She was originally from Seattle, Washington, and she
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: had eight siblings and a very happy and normal childhood.
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: She was smart, and she did well in school, and
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: she loved to play sports. When she went to college,
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: she joined her college soccer team, which she had worked
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: so hard because she loved to play and she was
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: really excited but some weird stuff started happening when she
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: was on the team. Her teammates started noticing their belongings
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: going missing from the locker room, and a lot of
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: them suspected Brittany. When they confronted her, she admitted it
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: and apologized, and although they did more or less forgive her,
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: they also couldn't trust her, so they started, like, you know,
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: just kind of hanging out with her less and stuff
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: like that. So this really took a toll on Brittany
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: because she had just worked so hard to become a
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: part of this team and eventually she was able to
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: make new friends. But I think this kind of really
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: started affecting her as she got into her like quote
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: unquote real life out of college, she continued to have
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: this kind of criminal thief side to her. She started
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: working at Lululemon, and she actually got fired from one
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: Lulu Lemon store for stealing from it, and then after
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: that she moved to the Bethesda lu Lemon where she
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: met Jana.
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: Interesting. So she was stealing from her teammates and then
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: felt bad about herself because no one liked her.
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: Okay, yep, right, yeah, you know totally, Yeah, so's you kidding? Yeah,
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: just a little bit. Police began looking into Brittaney's passed
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: to see if there were any people that were in
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: her life that might have done this, And as they
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: started investigating her more, they started kind of learning more
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: about her past that they didn't know before. There were
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: more petty thefts than they had first realized, along with
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: many friends and others reporting her scamming them out of
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: money or services. They also found that she hadn't actually
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: finished college, even though she told her family that she did.
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: Just a lot of like manipulating and lying going on.
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: So a narcissist, That's what I meant to say a
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: second ago when I said sociopath.
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: But I mets. She had had a restraining order filed
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: against her at one point by the girlfriend of an
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: ex boyfriend of hers or it was the ex boyfriend.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: I'm not one hundred percent sure with somebody in that relationship,
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: because she had continually been like harassing them both, wouldn't
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: leave them alone, so you know, restraining order, and she
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: violated that restraining order multiple times.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: Chill, yeah, what are you doing?
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And here's where things get a little even more interesting.
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: Rachel Lulu, Lemon's store manager told police that Brittany had
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: actually abused an employee store discount, and that Jana and
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: Brittany didn't really get along. Brittany had been suspected of
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: stealing from Lululemon and from her coworkers, just as she
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: did with her soccer team and the first store she
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: worked at. A group of managers from the store, which
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: included Jana, had basically like gotten together and decided that
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: Brittany would have one more chance, but if she was
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: caught stealing again, they would have to fire her. The
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: day before her murder, Jana had told Rachel that she
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: suspected Brittany of stealing again. So Lulu Lemon has a
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: company policy where employees must check each other's bags before
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: leaving a shift at work to prevent stealing. And of course,
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: like I'm sure that employees don't love this, because you
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: don't want your integrity questioned, but it's just part of
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: working at Lululemon's and the employees just have to comply
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: with it, and it seems like for the most part
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: they like get it and they're like, okay, yeah, I.
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: Mean if everyone part of my doing it, like whatever, yeah.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: Exactly, Brittany. Yeah, So the day before the attacks, Jana
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: went to do a routine bag check for Brittany after
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: believing she saw Brittany slip a pair of leggings into
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: her bag, and Brittany told her that another employee had
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: already done it, but Jana went and checked with that
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: other employee and that girl said no, I didn't, so
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: so Jana was on to Brittany and suspected that Brittany
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: had stolen again. So back to the investigation. At this point,
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: police finally got the forensic results back from Jana's car.
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: They found both girls blood, which they had expected because
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: if you know, the attackers went into it, they probably
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: had both girls blood on them. But they found a
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: hat with blood right at the top front of the
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: hat exactly where it would have hit Britney's head from
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: the cut that she had on her forehead. So I
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: don't think that they like tested that and knew that
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: it was Britney's blood, But that's a really weird spot
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: to have a random little patch of blood right where
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: the cut was on her forehead.
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: So with all of this, they brought Brittany back in
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: and started questioning her about some of the things that
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: seemed suspicious. So at this point she claimed that she
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: had no clue what Kara, what car Jena had you know,
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: drove and indicated that there was no reason that she
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: would have been inside it, so how did that hat
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: get inside? And then she also claimed that the attackers
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: pulled the zip ties out of the backpack, which, if
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: you remember, I told you to keep in the back
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: of your mind that the zip ties they matched two
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: zip ties in the store, right, so we know that
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: that's not true. And police actually confronted her about that
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: and she claimed she couldn't properly remember, which like I
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: get that if you were going through that like you
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: might not remember. And after that question, Britney asked to
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: leave the police station and they had nothing to hold her,
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: so she left, but they finally were like, Okay, this
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: girl is a suspect. Yeah. After this, they brought in
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: an expert to look at Britney's injuries, and that expert
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: determined that the injury on her hand would have been
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: consistent with a blade slipping and there was no reason
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: in any part of Britney's story where she would have
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: held a blade. And then the expert also speculated that
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: the injury on her forehead could have come from her
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: hitting herself as she lifted up a weapon while attacking someone.
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: So think you're like kneeling over somebody, like hitting them downwards,
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: and then you come up and hit your forehead, So
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: that's what they suspected happened. Detective Reuven brought all of
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: this evidence to the rest of the investigation investigative team,
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: and his theory was now that nobody had entered or
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: left the store that day, and that Brittany had murdered Jana.
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: With that, they had another forensic expert come back to
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: look at the crime scene with this new point of view,
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: because before they were looking at it in the sense
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: that there were two attackers that came in. Now they're
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: looking at it that Brittany did it. This forensic expert
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: found teeth marks on the zip ties and the zip
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: ties that were used to tie Britney's wrist together, and
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: that is consistent with the only way that a person
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: would be able to zip tie their own wrist together,
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: because you know you'd have your wrists together, you'd need
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: to grab it with your teeth, right. The blood that
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: was found around Brittany, they also noticed was kind of
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: more smeared and not really poled as it had been
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: around Jana. And then they after that remembered that there
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: were a blood soaked paper towels that they had found
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: around Britney. So they put together that she must have
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: soaked up Jana's blood and smeared it on and around
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: herself to make it look like she was attacked.
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: Wow, I'll give her credit. She definitely gave it at all. Yeah,
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: creative for sure.
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so the police are putting this all together.
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: Brittany actually came back to the to them and said
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: that she had some new information she remembered. She told
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: them that the men had forced her to move Jana's
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: car and walk back to the store, and that she
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: was threatened that they threatened her that if she said anything,
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: she'd be dead. So she is claiming that she left
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: the store alone in a car, drove the car away,
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: and then walked back so she wouldn't be killed. I'm sorry,
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: but excuse me, Like, who would do that and not
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: just drive straight to the police or just leave like
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: you are alone. They're not accompanying you, like to ensure
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: you don't leave. To be fair, you never know how
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: you're going to react in those situations. But I'm sorry,
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: what the fuck were you doing? Like no, that is
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: there's no way, and you.
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: Just conveniently left that part out like oh, my memory just.
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: Came back to me, right yeah, like no. So clearly
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: the officers did not believe her, and they decided to
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: confront her like straight up right then and there, and
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: she just kept denying it. The officer doing the questioning
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: ended up basically like sitting right in front of her
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: and explaining all of the evidence that showed that she's lying,
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: and she did not say where the entire time, and
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: when he finished, she just said, can I go home now?
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: Which technically she could have left because she hadn't been arrested,
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: officers weren't holding her there. But instead of being like, yeah,
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: let's go, they said, let's just take a break and
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: they left the room. And this is like a tactic
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: that they'll do a lot, you know, kind of leave
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: the room and then come back and try to make
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: the person forget that they had said they wanted to leave.
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: When they returned, they actually brought her siblings in them
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: and this I was like, so how long was she
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: waiting in there? But maybe it wasn't super long, I
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: don't know, but they brought Britney's siblings into the room and.
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: All seven of them, no.
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: Just two of them, okay, yeah, just brother and sister.
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: And so they were basically explaining all the evidence again
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: to Brittany and her siblings, and eventually officers left Brittany
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: and her brother Chris alone in the room. Of course,
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: they were not completely alone. They're in an interrogation room,
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: so there's audio and video of the entire encounter. But
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: Brittany was like, hey, Chris, like check if there's cameras,
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: and he like looked around and didn't see anything. But
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: I think he was smarter than that. But so like
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: Brittany kind of calmed down, and Chris said to Brittany, quote,
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: you need to tell me right now. Did you do it?
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: Brittany denied it at first, but Chris kept pushing until
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: she just stopped denying it, and she said that she
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: didn't want to talk about it in the police station.
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: And although that's not an actual confession, it was enough
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: for police. So on March eighteenth, twenty eleven, one week
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: after the attack, Brittany Norwood was arrested on suspicion of
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: the murder of Jana Murray. Police still didn't have a motive,
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: but they suspected that Britney Head somehow found out that
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: Jana and the other managers were onto Britney's stealing and
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: that she was going to get fired. They thought that
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: possibly Brittany hadn't meant to murder Jana and had only
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: wanted to intimidate her or scare her into not saying anything.
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: She did have a job interview at a gym a
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: few days after this and would be leaving Lulu Lemon,
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: so they were thinking like maybe they were just trying
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: she was just trying to like intimidate Jana into just
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: not saying anything. But they really didn't know, And to
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: this day, Brittany has never talked about her motive or why.
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: She did this, probably because she got caught with those leggings.
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: So she basically killed somebody over some hundred dollars over las. Yeah,
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: and it was clearly, like I said before, a rage killing,
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: like fit of rage, like not thinking, just stabbing, just
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: beating whatever she could find, you know, and then she
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: like was like fuck, what am I gonna do? And
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: then she formulated this grand plan of yeah, tie myself up,
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: smear myself with blood.
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I mean it really like there's no we
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: don't know exactly what happened and like at what point
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: if one of them confronted the other or what happened,
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: but we know it was because of the leggings and
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: that she knew that she was going to be caught stealing.
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: Brittany's defense lawyer tried to argue insanity, saying that she
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: had an undiagnosed mental disorder and that that had been
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  Speaker 1: triggered that night. I don't think. I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: he tried to argue the like not guilty by reason
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  Speaker 1: of insanity, or or just tried to prove she was
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  Speaker 1: insane to get a lesser sentence. I think it's the latter.
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  Speaker 1: But he was basically trying to say that no one
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  Speaker 1: with a sound mind could have done what Brittany did
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  Speaker 1: that night to Jana. So she must have had a
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  Speaker 1: big mental break, And yes, she probably is very mentally ill,
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  Speaker 1: but I don't think she had an undiagnosed mental disorder
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  Speaker 1: that just like blew up that night. I do not
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  Speaker 1: think that's what happened.
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  Speaker 2: No, I don't think so. Either she just flew into
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  Speaker 2: a fit of rage.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. The prosecution brought forward all the evidence showing exactly
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  Speaker 1: how she did this. They said she lured Jana back
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  Speaker 1: to the store, where a confrontation happened that possibly led
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  Speaker 1: to an argument and ultimately led to Jana's murder. They
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  Speaker 1: explained how she then staged the crime scene, destroying the store,
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  Speaker 1: taking the cash out of the registers, tracking blood all around,
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  Speaker 1: using the shoe to literally track footprints around. She took
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  Speaker 1: this size for it teen show that they had in
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  Speaker 1: the store, walked through the blood, and then walked all
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  Speaker 1: around the store trying to make it look like there
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  Speaker 1: was a man that had walked around. And then she
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  Speaker 1: injured herself to make it look like she was attacked.
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  Speaker 1: To she sneered blood all over herself. She made she
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  Speaker 1: did everything she could to make this look like she
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  Speaker 1: was attacked, and she really was very smart with it.
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  Speaker 1: The jury deliberated for less than an hour, which was
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  Speaker 1: really fast for a murder trial. Yeah, and the judge
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  Speaker 1: sentenced Brittany Norwood to life in prison without the possibility
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  Speaker 1: of parole.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: Brittany apologized to Jana's family, but everyone says, how like
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  Speaker 1: fake that sounded, and a lot of people speculate that
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  Speaker 1: she only did that to try to like appeal to
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  Speaker 1: the public and the judge to possibly be able to
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  Speaker 1: get parole, but it didn't work. She is clearly not
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  Speaker 1: only did she commit this horrific crime, but she then
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  Speaker 1: staged an entire scene, claimed she was attacked, and then
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  Speaker 1: refused to admit the truth and still will not. I
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  Speaker 1: don't think she's ever admitted it and like said, you know,
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  Speaker 1: she apologized, but she's never like explained what happened or
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  Speaker 1: said why it happened or any of that.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, that's kind of crazy. I mean, maybe she did
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  Speaker 2: kind of, you know, because of her rage, like not blackout,
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  Speaker 2: but just kind of like you know, like when you're
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  Speaker 2: just so you know, sometimes you just like ye, you
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  Speaker 2: say stuff that you don't mean, and you do stuff
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  Speaker 2: that you don't mean. And not that that's an excuse
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  Speaker 2: and gives her a free pass or anything, because she
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  Speaker 2: definitely knew what she was doing, but maybe she doesn't
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  Speaker 2: remember all the details because she was in such a rage.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's very true. I don't know the Lulu Lemon
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  Speaker 1: store in Bethesda, Washington, Maryland, Maryland not Washington, Maryland. I'm
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  Speaker 1: not even going to say that again. You know where
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  Speaker 1: it is. Yeah, that store is still there. It now
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  Speaker 1: has a beautiful mural in honor of Jana Murray. Jana
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  Speaker 1: was an incredible woman and is missed dearly by her
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  Speaker 1: friends and family, and you know, we just need to
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  Speaker 1: remember her legacy. How you know, adventurous and amazing she was.
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  Speaker 1: She was just amazing.
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  Speaker 2: What a tragedy, man.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that is the brutal, wild murder that happened in
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  Speaker 1: a Lulu Lemon store.
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  Speaker 2: So crazy. I remember like it just being such a
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  Speaker 2: crazy story and just being like my jaw dropping like
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  Speaker 2: the whole time, like what, Yeah, it was Brittany.
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  Speaker 1: I know I didn't like I knew going into this
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  Speaker 1: because I've heard it before obviously, so I knew it
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  Speaker 1: was Brittany, but I didn't remember like how difficult it
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  Speaker 1: was for them to get to that. Yeah, and it
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  Speaker 1: wasn't even like they suspected her but couldn't prove it,
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  Speaker 1: like they genuinely did not suspect her for a while.
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  Speaker 1: I mean she was only arrested a week later, so
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  Speaker 1: it's not like it took that long. But still like
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: they they if they hadn't found if they hadn't done
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  Speaker 1: the stakeout where they like actually got to confront the
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  Speaker 1: two men. I bet that they would have like followed
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  Speaker 1: that lead for a lot longer.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, it's so crazy even. I mean a week
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  Speaker 2: if you think about like an investigate, like an investigative standpoint,
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  Speaker 2: like a week is kind of a long time because
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: it's like we always say, like the first forty eight
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: hours are the most important, and then you know there's
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: several days after that that she went completely undetected.
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  Speaker 1: True, And yeah, I mean that is kind of wild.
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  Speaker 2: You know, like, like I said, it would have been
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  Speaker 2: a huge red flag. But maybe that's because I already
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: know that she did it. But anytime there's like superficial
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: cuts on someone, I'm just like you did it. It's
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: if you've ever seen Scream. I don't know if you've
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  Speaker 2: ever seen that movie, but you know they're like, just
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  Speaker 2: do it. Just cut yourself or she yourself, just like
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: a little bit in the arm so it doesn't like
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  Speaker 2: kill you. Yeah, that's what I always right.
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  Speaker 1: That's funny. All right, you guys said that was my
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  Speaker 1: case for the week. I hope you guys enjoyed. Like
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  Speaker 1: I said, I will put all of the photos up
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  Speaker 1: on Instagram. Again, be careful if you Google search this
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  Speaker 1: because you will find all of the photos. I will
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  Speaker 1: not put the like gruesome ones up, just some of
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  Speaker 1: the ones at the store and the victim obviously. And
• 1:00:32
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• 1:00:35
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  Speaker 1: They're all little babies, yeah, they are. They're they're all
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