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WNBA Finals Defense, Reliable Rebound Props, and the NBA Cup’s Rise · Scene Projects Sports Network

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Welcome into the Scene Project Sports Network.
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I am your host, Bubba Starts, and you are here tonight for the rim report.
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I am joined as always as we do every Wednesday by my guy, Selly Anahoro.
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Selly, what's good, buddy?
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What's up, Bubba?
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I'm doing great tonight.
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Oh, why can't I hear you?
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That's why.
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Alright.
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I'm good.
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You good?
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I'm good.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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My my cat jumped all over my my keyboard and screwed everything up, but we're good now.
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We're in the money.
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Selly, how are doing, brother?
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Doing well.
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Got a lot of basketball to talk about.
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Good opening week of the NBA, WNBA.
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The finals are going up pretty well.
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If you're if you're a hoop head like me, I mean, it's a lot of defense, but I I enjoy
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every second of the every second of the series.
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Yeah.
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Well...
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And tell us more.
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Get us caught up a little bit here.
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These ladies have been going at it.
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Now we know that the Valkyries are up three to two, but Atlanta had kind of a holding serve on
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their home court and able to at least make it compelling right now.
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Do you think they can win one tomorrow night and force a game seven?
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They absolutely can.
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I mean, I picked I picked the Valkyries in six So to prove myself right, I'm kinda hoping they
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don't.
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However, they absolutely firepower.
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They have the firepower.
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They're a great team, and this has just been...
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Honestly, this game has been...
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The series has been very evenly matched.
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This this could easily be three two dream going into tomorrow.
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Now the 12:30 start in the afternoon is a little is a little odd, and I think might put
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the dream at a disadvantage because it's just a weird start time to have a finals game or or
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any game in general.
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However, evenly matched series, the dream are up two to one, then the Valkyries kind of,
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found their found themselves again, getting back to what they're normally doing, playing
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great defense, hustling.
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Players just stepped up all around.
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So it it wasn't just Gabby Williams who had to do all the work.
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They play a great, brand of basketball, just a great team, just doing everything they can
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defensively, offensively, and they just do enough, just enough to get these wins.
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Yeah.
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You hang around, and you never know what's gonna happen, especially in the w with
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everything.
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So, I better turn my keyboard off so the cat doesn't shut us down again.
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We had a special guest with us tonight from Prop Laboratory, Jared Goering, jumping on the
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stream with us.
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What's good, Jared?
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How's it going, guys?
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What's up, Jared?
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Nice to meet...
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Nice to meet you, man.
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Yeah.
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Jared, we kind of swapped you guys around the other night when we were having you on there.
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So Selly, Jared from the Prop Laboratory, glad you guys could finally hang with each other.
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Now, Jared, we've had you on talking football with us and then now getting into basketball.
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I'm interested in maybe some differences there might be between...
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Obviously, the two sports are very different.
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A lot more basketball games to start with, I think, is probably the biggest thing, but the
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props can change a lot in this game as well.
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So I know you love to start from the environment.
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So I guess tell us some of the...
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How you address game environment when it comes to basketball.
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Well, basically, it's...
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You're gonna start with pace.
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You're gonna basically see teams that are...
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So, like, this matchup of the WNBA finals, you're looking at a team in Atlanta that has
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second chance points, the the best rebounding team in WNBA.
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They have outside shooters in Howard and Gray.
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The thing is that they're going against the exact thing that stops them.
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Golden State has superior outside premier defense, and they play at a slow pace.
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So, basically, in basketball, one thing that you're looking for is just, obviously,
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strengths and weaknesses, but, like, possession, speed of the game.
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Is it gonna be a rebounding game?
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Is it gonna be an efficient shooting game?
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And, honestly, I, like, I I don't bet on games with Golden State involved, at least against
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them because their defense is too too good.
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It's been too good.
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And, honestly, offensively, it's hard to tell who's gonna go off that night for them because
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they're kinda split talking ten ten ladies that are just old.
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Like, you don't really know who's gonna go off.
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But it's it's been a good WNBA season.
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I will say WNBA is much...
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I enjoy betting on it much more.
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The main thing with basketball is that blowouts ruin props.
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Someone could be killing it, but if their team is up by 15, they're not gonna play the fourth
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quarter.
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That's a huge thing in the WNBA or the NBA.
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WNBA seems to be a lot smaller rotations.
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Stars play a lot more minutes even in blowouts.
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So it's kinda more consistent, more easy to bet on.
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Stars just get production in the in the WNBA.
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Yeah.
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So it's just a little more consistent to bet on, more enjoyable, too many bets in the w...
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In the NBA, and in the third quarter in despair because, you know, something off the bench hit
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four straight threes and push the game to 15, and then everyone sits.
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So
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Yeah.
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It's a great observation, honestly, because in the WNBA, like, you're right.
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Like, Caitlin Clark might play 37 out of forty minutes.
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Like, they don't really sit down in the...
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They're playing all...
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I've noticed that a lot.
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I feel like finally getting into it and watching games, they barely sit down.
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Yeah.
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They just...
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The rotate...
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And the playoffs is even tighter of rotation, but, yeah, I didn't really...
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I was having trouble in the NBA last year.
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The blowouts, the rate was the highest ever, and I was just kinda losing bets, even though
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the research was good.
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And, you know, the...
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Someone's on pace to break...
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You know, win that prop bet very easily, and then they don't play again.
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But the WNBA, yes, obviously, less less players, less, like like I said, tighter
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rotations.
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And I feel like they also try to put the stars out to make them play as much as possible
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because, you know, Kalen Clark playing thirty seven minutes is gonna sell tickets, and it's
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gonna make people, like me watch.
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Yeah.
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They don't have the luxury, of sitting their stars, both as a a team maybe because it's just
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not as deep and the action is maybe a little bit tighter all the time.
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And as a league, they're they're probably encouraged not to because they're barely
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hanging on to the growing viewership as it is.
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The last thing that you wanna do is start turning people off of tuning in.
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Yeah.
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It does it does backfire.
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I I I don't know the exact statistics, but back to backs in WNBA because of the travel, and I
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don't think they have the luxury that the the NBA players get.
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Yeah.
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And it tends...
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The stars tend to wear out in the game too.
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So, I mean, if you're ever betting, make sure you pay attention if the ladies play the night
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before.
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Any concerns about the real early start tomorrow, twelve being a 12:30PM start for
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any of the props?
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Yeah.
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I mean, it's not going to change the game flow.
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It's just it's interesting from a marketing standpoint why they...
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This is the biggest game in NBA history up to this date and putting them on a time, not even
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on a a weekend, doesn't really make sense.
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But, I mean, they...
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The...
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These players are professionals.
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I don't think it's gonna really affect affect it much, but, like, if I'm looking at this
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game, I'm looking at rebounds.
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I'm going to gravitate towards Angel Reese and other big time rebounders because I just don't
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see the efficiency shooting wise.
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Just just way too quality defense on both ends, personally, for me to bet on offense.
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And like I said, it's just...
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Both teams have so many so many players that can contribute.
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It's really hard to nail down.
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This isn't like Las Vegas where you, like, you know the big three is gonna produce.
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Right?
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So...
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Because I know over here when the Knicks play those those...
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They play a lot of Sunday afternoon games, and a lot of people love to bet those unders for
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the the weight team because maybe they went out the night before just just being on a weird
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start in the afternoon.
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So I I know, like, afternoon games, people like to just...
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Because they just assume players aren't aren't ready to play at that type of Yeah.
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Like, in the afternoon, this isn't, like, AAU.
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They're not, like, high school kids anymore.
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So I I I...
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I'm just curious because I I know it's always, like, interesting when people, like, overhear
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about the under.
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Well, especially if you're traveling from the West Coast, there...
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There's a huge time difference there.
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There's a little bit of a, you know, kinda jet lag that you get naturally just from kinda
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being off your natural, you know, sleep cycles and and the rhythm that you're used to, you
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know, kinda waking up and getting moving at.
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So, yeah, a 12:30 start on the East Coast.
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That's 09:30AM, for a Californian, and, most of those people aren't even up yet.
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Yeah.
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I don't really think about that.
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That's...
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That is a huge swing.
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If it was a regular season game, I would think maybe the night before issues might come up.
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But I guess game...
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You know, the...
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One of the deciding games in the finals, I think they would probably not go out.
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But it's funny you mentioned that.
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I'm from Toronto, and all of our Sunday games used to be at noon.
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And I used to just watch us, like, upset every team that came to Toronto and wanted to party
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on Saturday because they've never been there.
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You know?
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But, yeah, it's...
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That's that's funny.
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It's that's funny observation.
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Like, people used...
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I mean, it used to even affect the Knicks players themselves.
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Like, JR Smith used to used to be affected even He lived there.
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Yeah.
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Oh, his page is probably showing everyone New York.
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Right.
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All the visitors.
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Right?
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Yeah.
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Some, some new data to add to the, game environment, with these noon start times.
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It makes no sense to me.
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I don't really know what they're thinking.
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Has to be a stadium conflict, I would imagine.
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Yeah.
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They didn't they didn't think their team would make it this far, and they didn't like the the
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only thing.
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Because I think the...
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I think, like, multiple teams are playing, like...
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And, like, the warriors had the arena too.
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So, like, they couldn't, like, switch it up over there with the Valkyries too.
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So, like, it was just the whole, like, arena conflict that they couldn't, like, fix.
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Oh, are they not playing in their home arena because they're they're playing with Hawks
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play?
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I just think because they're, like...
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Multiple people have to use...
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Like, they showed last week, like, the arena was being used for, like, concerts last week.
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Like, I think, like, Teddy swims, somber, like, they all had concerts the same week.
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So, like, the workers for the arena, like, literally worked, like, every single day either
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setting up for a concert or a basketball game.
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Like, it was insane.
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They showed it, like...
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They zoomed it.
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They made it faster, obviously, but, like, when they showed the timeline of how fast, like
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like, it was just each day, just something was going on.
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So, like, they obviously miscalculated their own team.
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Well, in this stadium,
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it's not like the teams the teams don't own the places
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that they play in.
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Right?
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They're renting that space, and usually, you know, there's a company that owns our arena
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here, ASM Global.
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They they run a lot of these, manage these companies.
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So they're the ones that are handling the booking for these arenas, and they don't like
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off days.
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Right?
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The...
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When it...
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If it's empty, they ain't making no money.
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So very rarely are they doing it, and you're not necessarily thinking about WNBA playoffs
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and especially into the finals because the NBA season has started up and you have concert
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seasons still going on and all of these things.
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So, like, I look at it from, you know, being a musician and on that side, like, these people
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don't want to have an empty night in your arena.
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You are a venue.
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Right?
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Empty nights can kill you.
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They bankrupt you at the end of a long year.
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So, but, yeah, double booking or or having some issues like that, you're you're finding some
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way to squeeze them in.
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How's the WNBA, though?
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How's the brass?
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So that's that's something they have to figure out because it's growing at exponential rate,
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and your final games cannot be when everyone's working.
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You're supposed to show off the league, and you're showing off a team in year two that that
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might win the championship.
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And I think it's...
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They need to fix their scheduling because it's kind of a...
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Yeah.
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I think it's not prioritized the way it should be.
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I honestly thought it was a misprint.
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When I saw it, I was like, there's no way this game's at 12:30PM.
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Like, what?
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And then, like...
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They're like, no.
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It's at 12:30PM.
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I was like, oh, no less.
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Like, maybe it feels like a Friday or Monday.
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I don't know.
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But, like, on a Thursday too.
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Saturday or
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Sunday is the only only excuse for that.
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But actually
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crown a champion at 3PM.
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It's like it's like, what?
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I mean, at least, like, if they wanna party in Atlanta the whole day, so they'll figure out
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what to do.
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They don't want to go anywhere.
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Yeah.
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Well, you better believe if the fever were in the finals and Caitlin Clark was in the finals,
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this game will be on Saturday at 8PM everywhere.
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There...
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Yeah.
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There was...
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You you you just can't, like...
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Because my sister even asked.
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She was like, well, who's gonna watch?
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And I was like, well, it's like day games for baseball.
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It's like, people show up.
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Yeah.
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Like in the summer, so I'm just like...
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I'm sure, like, they won't...
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People will be there.
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It's just I don't know how lively the crowd will be.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I mean
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Yeah.
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It's a starting game.
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They they need the crowd,
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we'll see.
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But they gotta
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I figured out a way to stop Williams.
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Really sucks for the home team.
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Yeah.
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Been unreal.
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Yeah.
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Sucks for the home team because you do...
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Like, the little advantage that you do have, and and already kinda being displaced, I know,
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out of where they they typically play, that you're just, yeah, I mean, you're sucking it
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right out of it.
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Right?
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Like, people aren't taking their kids out of school and, take it off work for a WNBA game, I
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don't think.
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I could be wrong, but, yeah, it's it's unfortunate.
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And, you know, I I thought the league was smart with how they kinda ran the season right up
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into the NBA season, but they move...
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Need to move it, like, one week one week further back, right, or or further ahead
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rather.
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So it's done, and you're not having as many conflicts as you did this year.
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Lessons learned.
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At least the league is growing to the point where it is becoming an issue and people
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actually want to go to the games.
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Yeah.
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I agree.
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I just...
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I mean, they're they're gonna have a new commissioner next year.
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So, hopefully, whoever the new commissioner is, they they figure out this this stuff because
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this league is becoming a big deal, and they don't wanna...
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They should learn from their mistakes, hopefully.
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Yeah.
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I think the month off for the World Cup, that needs to be fixed too because as these teams
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are hitting their stride, it's just, okay.
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Now we're gonna take a month off.
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And it's like, I can tell you the basketball I saw afterwards definitely wasn't as polished as
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the basketball I saw before.
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So So that had an effect on it.
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I didn't think about the basketball thing.
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You know?
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Like, obviously, you know, some of these other things and the, you know, professional MLS runs
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during the summer here as well.
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Obviously, they were going to take a break during their season, but I didn't think about
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basketball taking a break that entire time.
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So, usually, they are wrapped up in August, September.
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And because of the World Cup, it pushed that season out a little bit further.
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Yeah.
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Just a little bit.
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Yeah.
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Just enough to
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screw everything up.
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There we go.
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Our guy, Big B, says the new commission of the WNBA is Selly.
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He also had some some NBA talking.
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And one one thing that we wanna cover moving on for the WA...
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Everybody, if you're around 12:30 tomorrow, check out game six of the WNBA finals.
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I don't...
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I'll try to remember.
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I'll be in the office at that point, but injuries piling up all over the NBA.
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Obviously, that, affects the betting world, but it's affecting these teams early on.
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My big question is is which one of these teams can survive up to the point that some of these
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stars are back?
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B had a question kind of directed at this.
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Obviously, the wolves got off to a hot start, and then they lose their best player for the
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next two months after a knee surgery.
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B had a question kind of in retrospect or, you know, in relation to the betting.
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What is the bet for the wolves since Ant is gonna be gone and out for the next two months?
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And, yeah, I imagine that it makes it really hard to to put any money on the Timberwolves at
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this point.
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Yeah.
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Stay away from that.
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It's...
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The thing is that it's so early in the season.
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It's hard to...
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Like, usually, you know, a few months in, you can kinda find the stats of who steps up when
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the stars are off the floor.
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We're talking, like, a week into the season.
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I mean, conventional wisdom would say probably LaMel Ball will...
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Is gonna get more more...
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He's gonna have to handle the ball more, but, I mean, that's...
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It sounds very up and down.
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It's tough for me to to bet on that team, especially with their defensive identity, and I
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don't think they foresaw not having Edwards.
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So probably stay away for at least few weeks to kinda see how how the rotations fit.
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And that's one thing I always preach.
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It's...
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There's good times to bet, and there's bad.
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And if you have unknown, maybe just let it play out, take a step back.
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And then once you see who's gonna recover those minutes, who's gonna take those shots, then you
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can jump back in.
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But too soon to...
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For me...
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I mean, go bear rebounding.
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But other than that, yeah, it's it's gonna be tough for them.
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Sad to see.
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Yeah.
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It's interesting for me because I...
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We'll see what happens.
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They're talented enough to, like, they can withstand it, I think, for a little bit.
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And plus, he's a young guy, and he's a great athlete.
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There's a good chance he might even be back before the two months anyway.
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But, like, Jared said, like, for people like me who who is a fan of a lamella ball, for good or
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for bad, get ready.
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This is a...
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The full Chino Hills lamella ball experience.
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And it's...
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He's gonna have the ball and probably have the highest usage rate in the league with Luca.
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And, I mean, there's still good players on the team, Jaden McDaniels, Io D'Soumo.
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They're they're still, like, good guards on the team.
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So I do think they're good enough to still win games.
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And plus, like, with the Thunder losing their people, some of the guys they lost, I I do
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think they can survive.
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Luckily for me, with the Timberwolves, their thing is, like, the postseason.
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They're they're more built for postseason play as they have been the past couple of years.
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They haven't really been a great regular season team with Ant anyway these past couple of
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years, but then when they get into the postseason, they they're, like, giant killers
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all of a sudden.
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They beat...
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They're beating...
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They're sending all the great players home.
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So, like, I I wouldn't be worried.
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I would just be worried for Chris Finch's mental health.
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He's probably gonna lose his mind a lot because Sun Mello's gonna have the ball 24.
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He's gonna make a
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lot of plays, but it's gonna be a lot of headaches too, man.
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This guy who loves LaMelo balls.
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I love LaMelo, but I I can acknowledge he's he's nuts.
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Yeah.
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It's...
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And I wanna separate, like, me saying I wouldn't bet on them.
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I agree with you.
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I think they're they're gonna win games.
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They're gonna pull through.
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It's just if your best player is so up and down, it's...
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I I I stay away.
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Yeah.
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Fair enough.
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Or or I'm gonna bet on rebounding because I'm...
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I see a lot of missed shots coming up because you're gonna have him, and then you're gonna
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have other guys pressing to fill the void.
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And it's early in the season.
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So I've...
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Yeah.
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Honestly, to answer the question, if the bet is find the rebounder that night.
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Depends what the bet is.
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Well...
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And that leads me, Jared.
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Do you have kind of favorite bets and props that you're watching for as far as, like, the
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stats that you're you're maybe more comfortable, kinda betting on, whether it's
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rebounds or or points, you know, three pointers taken.
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I I don't know where...
23:18
How far into the weeds you're getting, when you're looking at these bets and stats, and I
23:22
know that you can pretty much make a wager or, you know, trade on anything these days.
23:28
So, is there kind of a a few at the top of that list for you that you're always kinda paying a
23:34
lot of attention to?
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Yeah.
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Rebounding is always gonna be...
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That's probably the most consistent of the props.
23:44
You're gonna have to...
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Especially if teams are playing at a fast pace.
23:48
In the NBA, they jack a lot of shots.
23:51
So rebounding is always gonna be the most stable prop.
23:55
Assist can go up and down because it kinda depends on what guard controls the game, but
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you kinda have to find you gotta find a point guard that orchestrates everything.
24:07
Right?
24:07
So back to the WNBA, it's like Jordan Canada.
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She always has ball on her hands, and it's always going through her.
24:14
So she's gonna be a better bet.
24:17
But for the NBA, I would say the combo stats are what I usually gravitate towards to after
24:22
rebounds.
24:23
So that's, like, points, assists, and rebounds combined.
24:28
It gives you a little more cushion that if a if a guy needs 12 rebounds, if he gets 10, the the
24:37
combination stat might be doable if he has enough points.
24:41
So it's just kinda trying to find the people who are most well rounded and then hope that
24:46
the book hasn't priced that in yet.
24:49
And then early in the season, you're gonna look for guys who just are gonna get more minutes
24:54
and more run than people expect.
24:58
So you kinda have to really know the team.
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Yeah.
25:01
I'm a Toronto Raptor fan.
25:03
So, yeah, like, guy, Scottie Barnes, I'm always gonna look at his...
25:08
Never gonna bet his points.
25:09
I'm always gonna bet his combo because he's liable to get 12 assists one game.
25:15
So that that could boost it up.
25:18
Wait.
25:18
Can you explain the combo bet for a dummy like me?
25:21
So do they just set a combo of 30 and that could be...
25:24
And that's points assists and rebounds combined?
25:28
Yeah.
25:29
So if a guy averages 16 points, four rebounds, and four assists, his line, let's say, is gonna
25:36
be 23 and a half.
25:37
So you kinda have to decide is he going over under?
25:43
If I like the scoring matchup, I love the combo because the points can hold most of the value
25:50
of the combo.
25:52
And then, you know, if a guy has a really good assist, he puts you over the top.
25:56
It just gives you more more room for error.
25:59
Like a guy like Jokic, if you bet his rebound,
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that's
26:04
a good bet.
26:04
If you bet his rebound and assist together, he's liable to go off on one of those probably,
26:11
get 15 assists or 15 rebounds, and the the book doesn't account for that.
26:16
So, yeah, it's basically you're betting on the combination of the three and hoping that one or
26:22
two of the three, he has a really good game.
26:29
Interesting, things out there in the betting world now.
26:32
That's why I love having you on, Jared.
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The same as having Sully on this show because I am, barely paying attention as much as I can to
26:41
the NBA.
26:41
We got a lot going on, as you well know, but, I I love having a great excuse to to tune in and
26:49
now to pay attention to some of these betting lines and at least know what I'm looking at.
26:55
Yeah.
26:55
I mean, I...
26:57
I'm I'm learning too.
26:58
Like, I don't bet as much.
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I learned a little bit here and there.
27:02
I pay attention to betting lines, but more for football, honestly.
27:06
Football is, like, a lot easier than basketball.
27:08
Basketball, I feel like the range is too much.
27:13
Yeah.
27:13
I mean, football, you know, they're gonna play the whole game.
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That's right there.
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That kinda does help.
27:20
But...
27:20
So basketball, to be...
27:23
Try to make it simple.
27:24
So lines are usually at the median.
27:26
So you try to find an environment that a guy who averaged 16 points, you don't wanna say,
27:32
oh, is he gonna get 18?
27:34
You want, oh, this is a team that can't defend the perimeter, yada yada yada.
27:40
He could get 24.
27:41
So it gives you...
27:42
You're looking for those...
27:44
In probability, it's called fat tail distribution.
27:46
So you're kinda looking for those outlier games.
27:49
And basketball could go either way.
27:53
Yeah.
27:53
Or you could pick it by the Kawhi Leonard who is just automatic and consistent and kinda flip
28:00
flip the coin to hope that his his line is medium, but he usually hits his line.
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So...
28:05
But basketball is maddening, absolutely maddening for for betting.
28:11
Like you said, it's it's way too up and down, and you have one guy off the bench, you know,
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pour in 28 points.
28:18
It ruins everything for you, and you can never model for that.
28:22
Right.
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You know what I mean?
28:24
Right.
28:25
Shout out to Scott Van Poe and Bad Beats.
28:27
I watch it, like, every Monday every Monday night.
28:31
The one way...
28:32
Get me to learn how to...
28:33
How how batting works.
28:34
Just watching Bad Beats and watching just people's bets just get ruined.
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Oh, yeah.
28:41
Because...
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Yeah.
28:42
Anything could happen.
28:43
Right?
28:43
I mean, one guy comes off the bench in the last minute, and that's his only minute, and he
28:48
needs to jack a three
28:49
and
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The walker.
28:50
Hits it and then, you know, and then your team that was supposed to win by seven just won by
28:57
five because some guy decided to shoot a three when it didn't matter.
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You know what I mean?
29:00
You can't you can't really count for that.
29:03
But injuries is another reason why I might stay away because, I mean, usually in football, this
29:08
is this is what happens.
29:10
You know?
29:10
It's a hundred percent injury rate.
29:11
Like, you're...
29:12
Someone's always gonna get injured eventually, but the NBA is usually not like that.
29:16
So now you're taking away stars who are consistent, and now you're placing it with
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rotational players that you have no idea what's...
29:25
That's it's gonna come.
29:26
You know what I mean?
29:27
And basketball is...
29:29
It's tough, man.
29:30
Like I said, I'm a Raptor fan.
29:31
Scottie Barnes can have 26 points one night and go o for eleven and zero points the next night,
29:37
and it's like
29:39
Right.
29:40
Yeah.
29:40
It's tough.
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Yeah.
29:43
Back to
29:43
there's no there's no, yeah, but there's no volume stats in basketball to bet on.
29:49
In football, you can bet on a guy to get pass attempts or carries.
29:53
You know?
29:54
But basketball, you can't bet on a guy to to shoot 15 shots, you know.
29:59
So it's kind of...
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It's tough.
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Yeah.
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Otherwise, you bet the over on the mellow ball.
30:05
All day.
30:08
What...
30:08
Whatever team he's with.
30:10
Melo ball, Luca Dante, it's the over pounded.
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Yeah.
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Over.
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I'd still take over my team.
30:19
I I...
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It's just
30:21
Like,
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I
30:23
lovelo since high school since he he was in high school.
30:27
It's just I acknowledge his game is nuts.
30:29
And even though I'm a basketball hoop head and I'm a smart person, I acknowledge LaMelo is one
30:36
of my weaknesses.
30:37
Like, he's paying and his game style is nuts, but, like, I enjoy watching it a lot.
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Oh, yeah.
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Yeah.
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As long as it's...
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Hello.
30:50
Wanna say hi?
30:51
Hi.
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Hi.
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Okay.
30:56
It's like there's a kitty on there.
30:57
What's that cat doing on the stream?
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That's what I'm saying.
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Do wanna go see over there?
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How fun.
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How fun.
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Free bedtime.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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She likes...
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She's not camera shy, is she?
31:17
Not camera shy at all.
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I love it.
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I love it.
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A future YouTube star there.
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Hopefully, she bets better than I do.
31:27
She could probably pick them better.
31:29
I'll tell you what.
31:30
Well, the Emirates NBA Cup is starting this weekend.
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Knicks take on the sixers, kind of a rematch of opening night now back in Philly, and the
31:40
Lakers go to Golden State.
31:41
I know Selly will be tuned in and glued to the TV for both of those.
31:47
I actually got the...
31:49
I grabbed a graphic of all of the courts, of of the...
31:54
These are these are cool.
31:56
As a, you know, even an outside kinda looking in fan now, I think what they're doing...
32:03
And the city court...
32:04
So I went to one of the city matchups, a few years ago when we went up to watch, the wolves
32:10
and the bulls play each other.
32:12
And even what they did for that with the different uniforms and the different court and
32:15
everything, super cool, but this is awesome.
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No.
32:20
It's unbelievable.
32:21
Like, I was one of those people...
32:23
I think most fans when they started doing this was like, because it's new and we're used to
32:28
what we're used to.
32:29
But then, like, when they actually started playing the games and the games actually be...
32:33
The games are actually, like, pretty competitive and, like, the the players took it
32:38
really seriously, then I was like, I was locked in.
32:40
And now, like, I actually look forward to it every year.
32:46
Does
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court
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color affect Betz at all?
32:53
I'll have to go through that data.
32:56
Well, it seems like some of the three point lines might be a little harder to see on this.
33:01
Right?
33:02
Or it's kind of a little off.
33:04
Are there extra points?
33:05
Is it...
33:05
Do they go, like, full big three on this and you have six point plays?
33:08
And Well, no.
33:10
But, like like, they're gonna ask because, like, point differential.
33:13
Right?
33:13
Because, like, point differential actually matters in this thing.
33:17
So I guess, like, that's might be a huge prop.
33:19
Right?
33:19
Like, betting totals or over unders or for this thing?
33:24
Yeah.
33:24
I'd say the...
33:25
That and the fact that they could possibly get more money for winning this thing makes them
33:32
play a little harder.
33:35
You you're
33:36
not gonna get guys sitting.
33:38
Right.
33:38
Because typically in these normal NBA game, if you're beating somebody 20, you might ease up.
33:44
But, like, if you need to, like, dance to be one of the top two teams, teams are not...
33:49
Teams start beating teams by, like, 45 points all of a sudden.
33:53
And you're like, woah.
33:57
It's not really over.
34:01
It's like high school ball all over again
34:04
showing no I love it.
34:10
But, honestly, yeah, I can't wait for this thing.
34:12
Like, I...
34:13
I've become, like, such a real fan of it.
34:15
And, like like I said, at first, I wasn't I wasn't sure.
34:19
But, like, now...
34:20
Because the players just take it really seriously and they actually, like, wanna play
34:24
in this thing, like, I've...
34:25
I feel like the fans have followed.
34:27
And plus, like, these games count too.
34:29
It's not like if you lose the...
34:31
If you lose these games, it counts against your win loss.
34:33
So, like, you might as well win them and then get paid for it at the same time.
34:38
Yeah.
34:38
No.
34:39
I agree, man.
34:40
It's it's refreshing to see...
34:43
Not that they don't try, but seeing them putting a 100% effort in.
34:46
It's kinda like a little taste of the playoffs early.
34:49
And, you know, it's also odd the next week when you see the same guy that was, you know, bored
34:55
in, playing old game, just kind of taking it easy.
35:00
It's like, what happened?
35:03
Selly, maybe you can explain a little bit more for me and other, you know, dumb basketball
35:09
fans out here that haven't been paying attention these last few years.
35:13
How is the cup set up, and, you know, how does it all work?
35:18
Yeah.
35:18
So it's kind of like the soccer from this past summer.
35:21
It's literally, like, the same setup.
35:23
They put a bunch of teams in a group, and then, like, the top two...
35:27
They play each other, obviously.
35:29
And then the top two teams from each group advance to a single elimination.
35:34
However, like, it's like...
35:36
It's just like soccer too.
35:37
It's like, point inferential matters.
35:40
So, like, in order to separate...
35:42
So, like, let's say if, like, a couple of the teams are tied with, like, the amount of wins
35:47
they have, if they have two each, it'll be like, okay.
35:49
The Celtics have a 45 differential over the Bulls who have of 16.
35:54
So, like, the Celtics would advance.
35:56
So, like, the top two teams advance, then it becomes a single elimination in Vegas if
36:02
they're still playing it in Vegas.
36:04
The games all count against your win loss until you make it to the until you make it to the
36:08
final.
36:09
Then those those numbers, they disappear.
36:12
So, like, I think, like, Anthony Davis had, like, a 50 final game the first year, and,
36:18
like, technically, it never happened because they don't they don't count.
36:21
The game doesn't count except for the money, whoever wins.
36:24
So, like, single elimination, and then you meet in the final, and whoever wins the final, each
36:30
player on the team gets a million dollars.
36:34
So, like, they play hard for the free...
36:38
It's a free million dollars no matter how rich you are.
36:41
They play hard for that money.
36:43
And, like, you feel always good for the people at the end of the bench because they don't get
36:46
that kind of money.
36:47
So, like, I hope I explained it well.
36:51
I feel like each week, I'm giving a lesson all of a sudden, so this last segment part.
36:56
I hope I explained it well.
36:57
And my mom told
36:58
me Well, it
36:59
makes it like your day job, teaching really stubborn kids some things.
37:05
Right?
37:05
I mean, that is...
37:06
In essence, I...
37:07
I'm almost exactly the same as one of the kids at the school that you have to work with.
37:11
Now you don't have to wrestle me on a daily basis, which is probably nice for me, but I
37:17
appreciate it.
37:18
So pool play, similar to what they would do with the World Cup or or a lot of tournaments
37:23
of that nature, and then single animation.
37:26
So there are games on the NBA schedule that are TBD on opponents depending on how this shakes
37:32
out.
37:35
Yeah.
37:36
Basically.
37:37
So, like, they'll play each other.
37:38
So, like, they have...
37:39
The games are only played on Tuesdays and Fridays.
37:43
So, like, when it's a Tuesday or Friday with the...
37:46
You'll know it's a NBA Cup game because the court is a different color, obviously.
37:50
Then, it's just, you have to you have to...
37:55
You can't tell who you're playing yet.
37:56
You have no idea because you have to you have to see who wins the game, first of all.
38:01
And then like we said with the point differential, we have to we have to see...
38:04
If both teams have the same amount of wins, we have to see who's who's crushing the poor
38:09
Sacramento Kings or something by, like, a 100 to get to the next round.
38:13
Sorry, Sacramento Kings.
38:15
No shade.
38:17
Just just popped up.
38:19
I just thought mention them.
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No.
38:22
Super cool.
38:23
And I love what they've done with the league and really thinking outside of the box on how
38:27
do you make these games, you know, past opening night, right, in this...
38:32
With such a long season.
38:34
Right?
38:34
We're starting in October, and and the finals are in June.
38:38
Right?
38:38
So how do you keep fans' attention?
38:40
So I think something really cool that they've added here and to make it worth it.
38:44
I mean, probably, you know, a million bucks is still a million bucks to a guy with a max
38:48
contract, but it means a lot more to a guy that might only have, you know, that, as a contract
38:55
period, and you just doubled your income for the year.
38:57
That...
38:58
That's pretty massive.
39:01
Yeah.
39:01
A million bucks is a million bucks.
39:03
It's...
39:04
I learned this from LeBron, I think.
39:06
It's like, just because I have a lot of money doesn't mean I wanna lose it or...
39:10
And I don't mind gaining it.
39:12
Like, oh, why don't you just say this so you can get fined or whatever?
39:15
And he's like, I'm not losing whatever thousand...
39:17
And it was just like, what?
39:18
$20,000?
39:20
And he's like, nope.
39:20
No way.
39:21
So, like, they play hard for this money, and they...
39:25
And it's just...
39:26
They're competitive people anyway.
39:27
So, like, I think sometimes m b...
39:30
The NBA players with all the load management get a bad rep for not being competitive.
39:35
They're competitive people.
39:36
And, like, when you put stakes to it and you add money, and all they have to just do is win
39:41
a basketball game.
39:42
They're gonna they're gonna play as hard as they they can.
39:47
No doubt.
39:48
No doubt.
39:49
Does that make it...
39:51
You know, Jared, of coming back to the betting side of that, does it make these games even
39:57
harder than to go?
39:59
Or because, you know, you're getting that competitive play, do you feel like you're
40:04
actually getting a little bit more consistency out of the environment?
40:09
Definitely more consistency.
40:13
Like, the million dollars, like, these guys, like you said, is gonna play hard.
40:17
You're gonna play full minutes almost, and it's kind of a glimpse into the playoffs, which
40:25
is...
40:25
Yeah.
40:25
You...
40:26
You're gonna see the stars be the stars.
40:29
So, I mean, it's probably one of the only NBA games I I would look to bet on early season
40:36
because they actually care.
40:38
So definitely more consistent, and I I would assume shorter rotations.
40:43
So, yeah, definitely a plus for betting.
40:50
Right.
40:50
Those guys on the end of the bench, well, not that they're getting very many minutes to begin
40:54
with, but they're not playing a lot, and they're getting paid if they win it all.
40:58
So, yeah, a lot to be excited about.
41:01
Yeah.
41:01
I remember a story.
41:03
Doc Rivers said he received more hugs when he won the NBA Cup than he did when he won the
41:07
championship with the Celtics.
41:09
So, like, he's a lot to these players at the end of the bench.
41:15
That's funny.
41:18
Those guys on Geely contracts only making, like, who knows, like, a a couple thousand
41:25
bucks, which is not a lot for them.
41:26
And to see a million dollars, they're like, this is unbelievable cash.
41:32
Yeah.
41:32
It's life changing.
41:33
That's For sure.
41:34
Well, it's unreal.
41:36
I mean, if you look at the WNBA contracts, you have, you know, the new CBA.
41:41
Like, some of the best players are are getting a million, and you can win a million for
41:45
winning
41:47
A basketball.
41:48
Season tournament.
41:49
I think it's
41:53
You might not even step foot.
41:56
Selly, when does the cup, when does that end then?
42:00
When are they all done and the final is played?
42:05
I believe before...
42:08
Right before Thanksgiving, I I think.
42:11
So so it's over just the course of the next month, really, that it's it's going on?
42:16
Because it...
42:17
Like, they only play on Tuesdays and Fridays.
42:20
And then...
42:21
So it takes a couple weeks just to get those games done.
42:25
And then they gotta do the setup, the single elimination.
42:29
It it take...
42:30
It takes a while.
42:31
You gotta set up the single elimination, and then I don't even...
42:35
Like, they have to, like, shut the league down kinda because then those teams have to play in
42:40
Vegas, and then the rest of the teams are just, like, kinda watching for a whole week.
42:44
So, like, it it takes some time.
42:48
Interesting.
42:49
Well, I'm gonna have to tune in this year and and get my feet wet with the NBA Cup.
42:55
And always learning.
42:56
This is this is Selly's Selly's school of ball, and, I'm just catching up after not paying as
43:04
much attention to the league for the last twenty years.
43:06
I can't help it.
43:07
I can't help it.
43:08
My bulls have not been good for a long time, though they are keeping it close against the
43:14
world champion New York
43:15
Knicks.
43:16
Yeah.
43:16
Who, yeah.
43:17
Knicks getting a little revenge on Friday heading back to Philly.
43:23
Sully, I know you gotta have close eyes on that one, obviously.
43:27
LeBron and company getting the better of the Knicks on opening night.
43:33
What do you expect to see from this Knicks team as they head down to Philly this weekend?
43:38
Well, first, with the Bulls, with your Knicks...
43:40
With the Knicks, they played it back.
43:42
They they played the Pistons yesterday.
43:43
So speaking of back to backs and prop bets, we don't know how tired those guys are, but
43:49
they...
43:49
Because the Pistons beat them the hell up yesterday.
43:51
I mean, they still won, but, like, it was still a tough game.
43:55
But, anyway, with the Knicks six years, I I mean, I can't wait for the game again.
44:00
Obviously, the opening night, they're gonna...
44:04
They're playing really well.
44:05
The sixers are playing really well.
44:07
The sixers, honestly, have really impressed me with the start of the season they've had
44:12
because I was watching for chemistry as I think a lot of people were, and, like, it feels as
44:16
if, like, they've been playing for years.
44:19
It feels like chemistry is not gonna be an issue, honestly.
44:21
Everybody gets their shots.
44:23
There's kind of a pecking order.
44:25
They kinda know Tyrese and Jalen are gonna get most of the shots.
44:29
Joel Embiid still gets his shots.
44:30
LeBron's kind of like the Swiss army knife.
44:33
The only person I would be...
44:35
I question is maybe, like, DJ because he might be the odd man out, but he seems happy.
44:39
So as long as he's happy, and then they...
44:41
Their bench has played really well.
44:43
They have a lot of championship experience off the bench.
44:46
They have a lot of good players.
44:47
Dean Wade, Contavious Caldwell Pope, Anthony Simmons.
44:53
So I think a really good team.
44:55
The Knicks were fortunate to win their game yesterday.
45:02
Not that people were worried, but, like, we're obviously winning that championship.
45:08
They're made men for life in the city of New York.
45:11
So, like, I think it's human nature for maybe to set in.
45:15
And I'm not saying they are complacent, but, like...
45:18
Because they...
45:19
All those games were tough.
45:19
It wasn't like they were getting blown out.
45:22
However, when you've won, maybe it's human nature to just take a little bit of a step
45:27
back, at least for the time being.
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But it's gonna be a pretty crazy game.
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The Knicks are...
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I think the Sixers, they have to remember, like, how the Knicks treated them in the
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postseason last year and how badly it ended and just how bad, like, the...
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Like, just...
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It was just bad, and, like, I think they need to take all these games seriously.
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And all their reps matter, obviously, at this point in the season.
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And plus, if you can, like, distance yourself in the division race and the standing trace, it
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never hurts this early.
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And I I know for some people, yeah, there are divisions in the NBA.
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They don't really matter, but, like, they still have them.
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And some people.
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Awesome, man.
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Well, anything else to add, Jared, before we let you go tonight?
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Appreciate you jumping on and talking some basketball bets with us.
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Anything that you're, you know, watching for maybe this week and moving into the weekend as
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bets that you would be, you know, putting your money on if you could?
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I mean, I'm just...
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I'm hoping Kawhi's knee is okay.
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That's where I'm at for this weekend because the Raptors without him is is not pretty.
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So, no, I mean, fast forward wise, I'm just gonna take it easy.
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I'm gonna just...
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Yeah.
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Honestly, just let the games play out and especially with the...
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Like, so you mentioned the length of the tournament.
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I think the betting at the end of the tournament, there's more concrete rotations is
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probably what I'm gonna do.
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But, yeah, I'll be running the numbers, making my college football and NFL picks, they'll be
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on my my ex profile.
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And, yeah, other than that, I'm just writing and putting some analytic articles, nonbetting
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wise, and getting those started.
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Awesome.
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Well, Jared, appreciate you jumping on with us tonight, being a part of the network.
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Always great here.
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Tell people where they can find you, on X and otherwise.
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Yeah.
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Just check me out at, Prop Laboratory on X, also on Substack.
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And, yeah, most of my stuff is on X.
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The article will be there.
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And, yeah, if you have any requests, I did a whole breakdown on your Vikings maybe for for
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next week.
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So, yeah, just find me there.
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Just a bunch of posts writing and, yeah, just getting it going.
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Thanks for having me on.
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I'm about to to basketball with you guys.
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Yeah.
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This is great, Jared.
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It fits a lot better on there.
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Everybody wants to come on and talk football, but nobody joins Selly and I for basketball
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talk.
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So appreciate having you on, man.
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It it it gets me off the hook a little bit.
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Oh, no.
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And, honestly, I didn't know was gonna be basketball, so, I'll come a little more
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prepared next time.
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No.
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You're all good, man.
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I'll make sure that you get familiar.
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That's alright.
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My wife still asks me every day, like, you're doing hockey today.
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Right?
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Like, no.
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But you'll get it figured out.
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She says she will.
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I know she won't, and it's all good.
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Doesn't affect her life at all what I'm doing out here at the studio.
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So...
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Awesome.
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Until it does one day, maybe.
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Maybe we finally...
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We'll get rich doing this if we keep trying.
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Hope so, man.
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Awesome, Jared.
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Thanks for joining
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us, brother.
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Appreciate you.
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Cheers, man.
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Have a good
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night, guys.
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See you.
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Alright,
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Selly.
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Well, another great show, man.
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Great having Jared on with us.
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Always appreciate having, him kinda add some insight.
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I I know he loves ball as well, so nice to have, somebody else on here that's paying
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attention to the leagues and knows what's going on.
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And I promise, I'll catch up.
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By the end of the season, Sully, I'll be engaged.
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I'll know what's happening.
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Especially once football season is over, it just dominates what I'm thinking about and
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doing all the time.
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And, now that we're getting a lot of other bits in place, I have a little bit more bandwidth
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available, to to think about something else.
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But I'm excited.
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If I get some time to kinda kick it around this weekend, Friday, I'll be tuning in, hopefully
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checking out some of the some of the, NBA Cup game.
49:59
And, yeah, we'll just take it there one at a time and and keep, keep growing.
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I appreciate you always being the, the the voice of knowledge here, the the wise, the wise
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one, and, bringing some great takes, man.
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Appreciate you, Sully.
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Yep.
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Appreciate you as always, man.
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Well, for my cohost, Sallie Anna Horro, I am Bubba Starts.
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This has been the rim report.
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Make sure you guys are tuning in, subscribing to the channel here.
50:31
We will eventually get our own, social media pages up for this show and some of the other
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ones as well.
50:37
But right now, that is just not in the cards.
50:40
Look at that.
50:41
My bulls are up three over the Knicks right now.
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I don't know how long they can make that last, but, at least slightly paying attention.
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See?
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Like, I have the live updates on my phone now, Sully.
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We're we're moving right along, buddy.
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Alright.
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Everybody, thanks for tuning in with us this Wednesday.
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We'll have a lot of great games to talk about from the weekend.
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shortly thereafter, and a a lot of great NBA action to cover as well.
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