Latest / For Azeroth!: A World of Warcraft Podcast / #341 - For Azeroth!: "You Can't Have It All"
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- 0:00Manny I I I adore you, but your Venari impression is not very
- 0:03good. No, no, it is I.
- 0:09Want you to know, don't enter any Venari impression contest.
- 0:13For Lorderon. For the Karen tour for.
- 0:18Pandaria. For.
- 0:21Calendar to the. Burning region for Gilnaeus but
- 0:26has not died, for the Lich King, for the Sindora, for the
- 0:34Alliance, for the Horn, for Azeroth.
- 0:40Hello and welcome back to another episode of For Azeroth.
- 0:44I am one of your hosts, the Truva Manny AKA Manny, and I am
- 0:49joined by returning Lex. Lex, how are you and how has the
- 0:54weeks of World of Warcraft been treating you?
- 0:56How has 11.2 landed for you? It's been really fun.
- 1:02I've been having a really good time with it.
- 1:03I do feel a little overwhelmed just by the sheer number of
- 1:07things to do. Like I still haven't really
- 1:09gotten my teeth in phase diving, so it feels like there's some
- 1:14things that I kind of need to figure out before I officially
- 1:17say that I am. I'm grounded in 11.2, but I'm
- 1:20having a lot of fun. I was.
- 1:23I was not playing a ton last week, which is why I was out.
- 1:25I had my parents over and now my house has been painted and my
- 1:28dog learned that she likes the taste of drywall.
- 1:32But it was very fun and now I am back and I'm actually playing
- 1:36and I'm ready for raid tomorrow. I've done most of I've done the
- 1:39whole storyline from last week and most of the storyline from
- 1:41this week and we're getting into it.
- 1:45OK. And then somebody else who might
- 1:48be having a overwhelming week, we have Sean.
- 1:52Hello, Sean. Mr. Cartridge Rose, how are you?
- 1:55Hi Manny. I'm doing pretty good.
- 1:57I'm doing pretty good. War Craftsman treating me well.
- 2:00Been a busy week. It's Wednesday.
- 2:02I feel like it's Friday. Tuesday we had the NA reset
- 2:08obviously blasted through the campaign quests and then did a
- 2:14bunch of M plus. Almost got KSM on the first day.
- 2:20Then we did normal raid clear with the Guild and a cheeky
- 2:25little 20 stack LFR. And it's not scummy.
- 2:30If one of us doesn't need the piece that we win, we give it to
- 2:33the people that are not in the Guild that are with us.
- 2:37And today was my first ever race to world.
- 2:41First casting session on the desk for method and I had a six
- 2:46hour shift today. Long shift.
- 2:51Pretty tired, Pretty tired. Now you, you were a natural.
- 2:56I got to say I I tuned in for for for part of it.
- 3:00I was actually surprised. And I guess we should do like a
- 3:04sort of currently what's up with the race to world first as far
- 3:09as as far as the big guilds are going, they're doing their same
- 3:14thing. For people who don't tune into
- 3:17the race to world first, it often starts where you know,
- 3:21you're doing your splits, you're doing your farms, you're getting
- 3:23ready to dive in so you can make that impact.
- 3:26But while the big guilds are normally doing that, we also
- 3:31usually have some other guilds that aren't really there to like
- 3:34claim the full title, still getting some early kills.
- 3:38We normally see some some of those guilds that want to get
- 3:44put their names out there killing off like the first two
- 3:48or three bosses early in the race.
- 3:51And I haven't seen that this tear at this point.
- 3:58I was actually a little surprised because I because I
- 4:02was like, oh, well, you know what?
- 4:03I'm probably just not paying attention.
- 4:05And then I went over to like the usual suspects to track race
- 4:11progression. So of course Raider IO among
- 4:15others. And that leaderboard is blank
- 4:20the last time I checked. John, am I?
- 4:22Am I smoking something? Nope, there is no mythic kills
- 4:27as of recording. So 7:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time
- 4:34there is no mythic kills. The best pull on plexus Sentinel
- 4:38is 62.1% from melee mechanics. They did 9 polls on Tuesday.
- 4:43The 1st boss has an intermission that has a shield phase at the
- 4:48end of the emission. Had to breakthrough the shield
- 4:49to stop his cast. Ramping damage will kill you.
- 4:52His shield alone in that phase had more health than some of the
- 4:58bosses in heroic. So Mailer mechanics who are the
- 5:03team that took first kill for both Nurbar Palace and
- 5:07Liberation of Undermine did 9 Poles realized OK this isn't
- 5:11going to be it. We need to be better spending
- 5:13our time in some splits and they jumped over to do splits.
- 5:18So auspicious start to the race. On top of that, we've seen
- 5:26people like tearing through normal.
- 5:29I know a lot of people haven't really had a chance because
- 5:31we're literally on day 2 for NA and day one for EU.
- 5:37So we're not going to go into spoilers here.
- 5:39We're not we're not going to go. It's too deep in that.
- 5:41If you want some early impressions, Sean and I talked
- 5:44about our testing on the PTR. So if you want to know like more
- 5:49about the bosses, go ahead and look back at those episodes.
- 5:53But I think that what we saw in Liberation of Under Undermine is
- 6:02sort of playing out again here, where normal seems to be quite
- 6:05accessible. The step up to heroic is quite
- 6:09the step up and the step up to mythic apparently is another
- 6:15magnitude altogether as well. So they have definitely
- 6:19separated those those difficulties in this tear from
- 6:24what I what I've been seeing. And based on the race, the world
- 6:27first so far, I would say that seems to be the case.
- 6:33Lex, we were saying before the episode, you haven't had a
- 6:36chance to really jump in. Sean, your team I believe, start
- 6:42raids Thursday. Yeah, we haven't.
- 6:44So NA we have an optional night on Tuesday which we cleared
- 6:48normal and then EU and NA both raid Thursdays.
- 6:52So it'll be normal for my EU team, heroic for my NA team?
- 6:57There you go. That's going to be a busy day
- 7:00for you. So again, we're going to give
- 7:03our full impressions on a later episode, but good luck to all of
- 7:10you guys who are rating. And that is going to require a
- 7:15lot of luck because we have seen actually the Chinese region put
- 7:22out a huge bounty for their push for race to world first.
- 7:28China wants the the gold in this.
- 7:32And so they've put out AI believe it is 500,000.
- 7:39Sorry, I, I apologize. I don't know the currency.
- 7:43Yen, I think it is. Yen's Japanese.
- 7:46Oh well, it looks like a Why it? Does look like a.
- 7:49Why? Never mind, I'm not going to try
- 7:52to guess. Yen.
- 7:53It's yen. I got, I got yelled at.
- 7:55No, I got yelled at by Jin last time for saying yen.
- 7:58It's Yuan. I was right.
- 7:59That's what I was going to say. None of you know that because I
- 8:01didn't say it out loud. But it's Yuan.
- 8:03OK, good, good. Shout out to Jin for reminding.
- 8:07You Jin Death of Live Laugh Floor fame.
- 8:10Oh yes, of course, Jin of Live Laugh Floor.
- 8:11OK, good, good. So there you go.
- 8:14So that that's quite the push and I believe this is still the
- 8:18same bounty that they kept adding to.
- 8:21Yeah, every tier that China does not finish in, the top three are
- 8:25going to win. The prize pool goes up, the
- 8:28bounty goes up from Nettie's. This isn't we're not at a dollar
- 8:34amount yet. That makes this like super
- 8:37appealing. So it's about 70 thousand U.S.
- 8:40dollars. Obviously the cost of living in
- 8:43China is different from the cost of living in the US.
- 8:45So it's not 1:00 to 1:00, but that breaks down to about $1700
- 8:49per member because you have like the 20 to 30 man raid roster and
- 8:54then you're going to have anywhere in the range of 10 to
- 8:5820 support staff from analysts to we core designers to that
- 9:04kind of stuff. So it's not like a huge payday
- 9:07for the raid team. You know, people are quick to
- 9:10say, oh, 70,000 US divided by 20 Raiders and that's it.
- 9:13But you're not, that's not you would have to pay everybody on
- 9:15the team for this. So it is, I mean, it's a bigger
- 9:19prize pool than you get from winning in North America or
- 9:22Europe, I guess, although their money comes mostly in the form
- 9:25of sponsors. So yeah, we'll see.
- 9:29It's China's at a real disadvantage because the the
- 9:32raid for them doesn't start till Thursday.
- 9:34So everybody talks about the NA to EU head start and how NA gets
- 9:3812 to 14 extra hours and how unfair that is.
- 9:41Well, they get like a day and a half over in China.
- 9:44So I I don't see a world where a Chinese team, something drastic
- 9:50would have to happen for a Chinese team to come in 3rd just
- 9:53because that that X that day and a half delay is such a huge
- 9:58hurdle to overcome. Have we talked about this
- 10:02already? Do we know why they don't just
- 10:05release everything at the same time?
- 10:06Is it just server load? I assume it's because they hate
- 10:13fairness. That's true.
- 10:14I forgot about that. I forgot that it was, it was
- 10:17simply, I mean, to be fair, it is an NA company and they're
- 10:20like, we're gonna keep winning. Yeah, we really like when NA
- 10:23wins. I mean, there's like a number of
- 10:26reasons behind it. 1 is that like, yes, those server teams
- 10:30have to be working at its point to like update and do that.
- 10:35They're the reset is when their reset normally occurs, right?
- 10:41So it's not like they're they're particularly doing it for the
- 10:45race the world first where they're setting people back.
- 10:47It's like no and a is is Tuesday, then then Wednesday is
- 10:52EU, then Thursday is China. Otherwise you're asking them to
- 10:56build a a support staff that is doing all three of those servers
- 11:01at the exact same time for no financial gain for the company.
- 11:05Company that this seems like a like, not something a profit
- 11:11driven company would do. And the race the world first is
- 11:15not officially supported by Blizzard.
- 11:18As much as people want to say, hey, you guys are catering to
- 11:21these rates of old first people, this is clearly a point where
- 11:24they're not. But like.
- 11:26Final Fantasy 14 releases are global and they have data
- 11:31centers in all regions. And cross region gameplay I
- 11:34might add. Looking at you, midnight.
- 11:39How much later did their servers come out?
- 11:41Their game released I believe 5-6 years.
- 11:44Oh, I'm not sure, I'd have to look it up.
- 11:46Yeah, yeah, I I think like when you're working off of the off of
- 11:51technology, right and the fact that they haven't moved over
- 11:54servers, there's there's parts of it and like you could make
- 11:58that switch. It's just that I also don't
- 12:00think that like Final Fantasy also supports its race to world
- 12:05first. So if they do like a no they.
- 12:07Do Final Fantasy is huge? Yeah, Square they.
- 12:11Officially support the Race to World.
- 12:13First, yeah, it's like a massive thing they do which.
- 12:18Realistically it's a little silly that Blizzard doesn't
- 12:21right like the race the world first is AI mean.
- 12:23Maybe it's the people don't want them to like step in and take
- 12:26over, but I mean, it's, it's a huge it's, it's very much and
- 12:30it's a thing they benefit off of, right?
- 12:32Like it's not like the Blizzard team doesn't acknowledge the
- 12:34existence of the race to world first.
- 12:36Oh, I'm sure they like they soft supported.
- 12:38It's definitely they soft supported.
- 12:40They're talking with the the gals.
- 12:43They're they invite them to how many events where they have like
- 12:48exhibition matches and stuff, but like the specific race to
- 12:52world first, who gets who gets that first kill.
- 12:56The closest that we have from Blizzard really is the Hall of
- 13:01Fame leaderboards, where it's like, OK, yeah, we'll put you in
- 13:04as like, you killed it first. I'm guessing.
- 13:09And of course, nurfing their bosses so that their players
- 13:11could get in easier. Yeah, I just read that Final
- 13:16Fantasy doesn't support the race because they're terrified of
- 13:21promoting somebody who uses an add on, so never mind and.
- 13:26The final. Fantasy, never mind.
- 13:28Oh bad. But you had said that it works
- 13:33out to like $17170 per per player, but if they do take
- 13:40first place for some reason that is 1.4 million.
- 13:47Sorry, yeah. One I might be.
- 13:50I might. Ohh, you know what?
- 13:51I might be saying that really embarrassingly wrong.
- 13:53I didn't even think of that possibility.
- 13:55OK, that's OK. We're we're making a good faith
- 13:58attempt. Yeah.
- 14:00If. If you know don't feel free to
- 14:03message. I would like to know I'd like to
- 14:05bright broaden my horizons, but there is a much larger price of
- 14:091.4 million if they take first place and that is that what Sean
- 14:15you're saying is the the long haul.
- 14:18I think the closest that I've seen is like a that in like
- 14:23recent memory is 1/5 place finish by a Chinese region team
- 14:29and I think that was. Skyline.
- 14:32Yeah, Skyline, which I think is dissolved since then.
- 14:35Yeah, there's no, there's just no.
- 14:38You can't start a race a day and a half late and expect to have
- 14:41any shot at winning it. It's just not possible.
- 14:45Yeah, yeah, they the teams are so crazy organized and it is a
- 14:50it is a strange thing because you need a machine that is
- 14:53running behind you like these world first guilds.
- 14:56They have not only like the analysts and the like weak, weak
- 15:03or in like coders that are like that are building the stuff that
- 15:08they need as they analyze the fight and the players, but they
- 15:12have like an entire machine that is like getting them the mats
- 15:17and the resources for the stuff that they they need.
- 15:21Organizing splits with people all over like the region now,
- 15:25because like it's regional at this point, there is a big step
- 15:31up from being even in like a like doing really well, getting
- 15:37cutting edge Hall of Fame every every tier and being in that
- 15:42race to world first. And that is I guess something
- 15:46that maybe we can talk about on a different episode.
- 15:49But it it it requires A literal infrastructure to be in that
- 15:54race. And you're right, that day and
- 15:551/2 is crushing when you've got a machine that is starting up
- 16:00that much later. But moving from the race to
- 16:07world first to us casual players, we've got something big
- 16:15on the on the horizon and that is my attempt to get a Deathless
- 16:25Tazewesh run because that's way off the horizon.
- 16:29I don't expect that I'll be getting that this week.
- 16:33Sean, are you going to attempt to do a Deathless Tazewesh run
- 16:37this week? Yeah, we should be able to get
- 16:38one of these done Saturday or Sunday.
- 16:40I imagine at that point we will have done probably six of eight
- 16:45heroic, if not the full raid and lots of mythic plus.
- 16:51Lots and lots of mythic Plus. We're already doing 10's and
- 16:53elevens now, so all of our gear drops are at seven O 1.
- 16:56So we should be able to get a deathless run in by the weekend,
- 17:00Monday at the latest. But even if you don't get one
- 17:04in, it's still worth doing the hard mode, especially if you're
- 17:06not regularly timing 10s because all of the loot drops at one O 6
- 17:11heroic in the hard mode. And I'm pretty sure yeah, the
- 17:14completion of it counts as if you ran a + 10.
- 17:19So even if it takes you 2 hours, it still gives you a + 10 in
- 17:22your vault, which guarantees you a mythic piece next week.
- 17:26So if you're somebody who, if you're, you know an individual
- 17:29or a team or group who, who isn't successfully doing 10s or
- 17:34can't get into plus 10s or you're struggling to get that
- 17:37level, get 5 or 4 friends together and run the Tasmvesh
- 17:41hard mode. Even if you die, finish it
- 17:44because it'll count in your vault and then you'll get.
- 17:47If you don't time it, you'll get a nine out of your vault and
- 17:49you're that much closer to to pushing back into 10s.
- 17:53OK. It's big worth, big worth to do
- 17:55this dungeon. All right.
- 17:58Well with with that in mind, Lex, has hard bone tazewesh been
- 18:04on your radar or does this make it more enticing to you?
- 18:07So the deathless one, as I was reading that article, I could
- 18:10feel my heart rate go up and I was like, that's going to be
- 18:13really fun for Sean and Manny. They're going to have a great
- 18:15time fighting for that. Best of luck.
- 18:18I will not be trying to deathless Tazewesh.
- 18:22However, I so I haven't just because realistically I've only
- 18:26been playing 11.2 for like the past like days or so.
- 18:32I haven't dug much into anything but I really want to.
- 18:37I think that two seasons ago I jumped in really feet first in
- 18:42dungeons and I kind of scared myself and, and pushed a little
- 18:45hard and I needed to back off. Last season.
- 18:47I think I, I in fact I know I did 0 mythic and I think that
- 18:52was kind of the opposite. I just, I, I ended up feeling
- 18:55really stagnant and like I didn't have much to do and I, I
- 18:58couldn't really catch up. So I'm hoping that we're going
- 19:01to find a nice little middle ground where I'm doing some
- 19:03dungeons and I'm not pushing so hard that I'm freaking myself
- 19:06out. But I'm also not, you know, just
- 19:09utterly delving it only and calling it a day.
- 19:12So I do, I, I'm really excited to get into Tazewash.
- 19:14And I also wasn't really doing dungeons when Tazewash was, came
- 19:19out originally. I don't think I've done a full
- 19:21Tazewash run other than the cute little bits.
- 19:24So I'm excited. I really want to do it.
- 19:26I think that's gonna be fun. I don't know that I'll jump
- 19:30right into hard mode for all the reasons that I'm scared of
- 19:33Mythic Plus, but I'm excited to to get into it and, and play
- 19:37and, and see how it goes and have a little fun.
- 19:39But no, I will not be doing Deathless.
- 19:41I will cry if somebody says we're going to try to do this on
- 19:43Deathless and I'll die immediately.
- 19:44So they don't can't do that. Not really, not really.
- 19:46I wouldn't sabotage my friends if I'm not a jerk.
- 19:49Well, people who had anxiety because they were afraid that
- 19:53Lex or one of their friends would sabotage had a lot to say
- 19:56about this. There was complaints that like,
- 19:58hey, people are going to grieve Blizzard.
- 20:01This is insane because like, I don't want to be held hostage.
- 20:06And Blizzard has sort of addressed part of it.
- 20:11At the beginning of the the dungeon, you're on the dock
- 20:15just. We haven't really explained the
- 20:17deathless Todds the restaurant, have we?
- 20:19No, no, I'm going about to jump into that.
- 20:21Yeah, sorry. So yeah, at the beginning
- 20:27there's like the dock that overseas, overseas like the
- 20:32boundless beyond or whatever. And so it would be easy for
- 20:36somebody to jump off and grief a group, especially before you put
- 20:41in the key, just just to screw you over.
- 20:44Like let's say you're doing a Mythic plus run and you're like,
- 20:47yeah, no, we're just want to put input in a key.
- 20:48Somebody screwing over your Mythic 0 hard mode run like that
- 20:52would be bad. So people were really concerned
- 20:54about this. And that's because the way that
- 20:57this works is that at the beginning of each week you will
- 21:02have a buff, and that buff is called the Smart Street buff.
- 21:06That buff goes away as soon as you die in Tazewash.
- 21:13If you complete the run without without anybody dying, you get
- 21:18that bonus. In chess that is a guaranteed
- 21:23mythic loot and that is 5. Pieces of everybody gets a piece
- 21:29of mythic loot. Everybody gets a piece of mythic
- 21:32loot that's you don't have to wait for your vault.
- 21:34You get a piece of a mythic loot, which is amazing and very,
- 21:40very much something that it can entice people.
- 21:43But yeah, if anybody loses their buff, then the run fails and has
- 21:49to be done in your first attempt of the week.
- 21:53You can't reset and go back into it.
- 21:56So what? There was a lot of stress
- 21:58involved involved with this. There were people who were
- 22:03saying like oh what if somebody exploits me?
- 22:06Is this why they needed the ban, the ban or sorry the vote kick
- 22:10system. But this doesn't help with the
- 22:14because the even if you vote kick and disband the group, that
- 22:17is still your first attempt. There hasn't been any, any
- 22:22confirmation from the article that I was reading on Wowhead
- 22:26about if you're doing your first attempt, let's say three people
- 22:31are doing their first attempt, two people are not doing their
- 22:33first attempt. And so three people have the
- 22:34buff and two people don't What the what that winds up being.
- 22:41But honestly, I I like that there are there, there's the
- 22:47ability to do these like challenging non time things.
- 22:53A lot of people get anxiety just from a timer or don't like the
- 22:57rush, rush, rush thing. This is a different way of
- 23:00challenging. Challenging players like being
- 23:03very strategic and careful with your polls and like trying to be
- 23:07like, even if you're like lower your defense just to like,
- 23:10sorry, lower your damage just to be a little bit more defensive.
- 23:14You could you could do this in a completely different manner.
- 23:17What was it in Dragonflight where you would do hard mode?
- 23:22Dawn of the Infinites, Dawn of the Infinites.
- 23:24Yeah, right. That was that was the same.
- 23:27Right where? Yeah, you only had one shot each
- 23:30week. No, no.
- 23:32No, there's something different about it.
- 23:34I'm just forgetting what it was. No, I do think you only had one
- 23:39shot each week because I remember we did it once and we
- 23:46got to the end and somebody died.
- 23:48You still couldn't die. It had to be deathless.
- 23:51We had somebody die with 3% left in the last boss and it cost us
- 23:56our attempt and we didn't do it again.
- 23:59So I'm pretty sure it was once a week.
- 24:03Yeah, and I think it was just in the .5 patch before it went into
- 24:07rotation. Yeah, yeah, that makes sense.
- 24:13Yeah. Before before it became Mythic
- 24:15plus. Before it became mythic, mythic
- 24:17plus. So it's not like this hasn't
- 24:19been done before. So I'm I'm a little bit baffled
- 24:25that people were so up in arms about it.
- 24:29I think it's because this is such, this is a much bigger
- 24:32power game. So Dawn of the Infinites was
- 24:36Mythic 0, and I think you were guaranteeing it wasn't everybody
- 24:41got a piece. It was it was just their normal
- 24:43end of dungeon piece and it was only from the last boss.
- 24:47This can be, this is a guaranteed Myth track piece to
- 24:49everybody in the party, and it could be any piece from any
- 24:52boss. And there are multiple trinkets
- 24:55in this dungeon specifically that are quite good for people.
- 24:58Well, it also the beginning of a patch is hugely different than a
- 25:01.5, right? Like just at that .5, a lot of
- 25:04people have kind of checked out. Yeah.
- 25:06And we don't care if, like you're getting, you're thrown at
- 25:08you anyway. Exactly.
- 25:10I, I think people are upset. I, I mean, I can't speak for
- 25:13certain because I, I'm personally upset.
- 25:15I don't care. But I think one of the issues
- 25:18was that for teams that are fighting for those early kills,
- 25:25falling behind on this is a massive power loss to your raid
- 25:29team. If you have a a 20 man raid team
- 25:32and you don't time this every week, that's 20 pieces of mythic
- 25:37year you're behind from a team who does time it with their
- 25:41whole team. So that is 1 issue.
- 25:44Also the anxiety issue of you know what if you're the one who
- 25:46causes the death, even if you're playing with friends, you're
- 25:49still going to feel terrible afterwards.
- 25:51Even if they tell you it doesn't matter, you're still going to
- 25:52feel bad. You know, I'm for some people
- 25:54that is worse than a lot of things.
- 25:57OK. Sorry, before you jump into
- 26:00more, I do want to sort of like talk about both of those points
- 26:03because I think that they're ugly valid points, but they're
- 26:08points that exist in the game anyways.
- 26:10Like if you are the person who causes like the .3% wipe, not on
- 26:17the specific example of the Dawn of the Infinite, but like, let's
- 26:20just say it's, it's a Prague boss and you're about to, and
- 26:23you're like, oh man, we're about to like kill, get AOTC or we're
- 26:28about to kill like this. The normal boss, like day 2 and
- 26:31you're about to kill normal boss and you get a, you got to wipe
- 26:34that like, oh man, I, I blanked and, and everything you're going
- 26:38to feel bad. Like this is a magnitude more
- 26:41because of the loss of the opportunity.
- 26:44I mean, that's for the teams that.
- 26:47But it's it's it's literally 1 not no other source of gear is.
- 26:52You can try once a week. If you wipe on the boss for as
- 26:56you see you just pull again. If you break a key, you just go
- 26:59again. And it's also not like just well
- 27:02I screwed up so like I can't do this again all like my 4 buddies
- 27:07who are playing this perfectly and made zero mistakes are also
- 27:09screwed for the entire week. Yeah, but like, your four
- 27:14buddies made zero mistakes and you made one mistake.
- 27:18And like, it's just, it feels so binary.
- 27:20And I get that. Like that's like such a binary
- 27:23thing for the teams that are like really caring about the
- 27:28gear right now. Like if you don't get this every
- 27:30week you are falling behind. That's the competitiveness of it
- 27:35in my opinion. Like I don't think it would have
- 27:41any effect on the race if you could make unlimited amount of
- 27:48attempts and as long as you can do 1 deathless run in the week,
- 27:51you get it right. Because then in general, I think
- 27:55people would just do what they're doing already, which is
- 28:01doing stuff ahead to make sure that they're comfortably geared
- 28:04so that they can comfortably get this right.
- 28:07If they were making attempts earlier, even even when they're
- 28:12like quote on the bench, which makes it easier for them to
- 28:15schedule right. I I think that this wouldn't
- 28:21have the same intrigue like that tension means something.
- 28:25It means something in both ways. And for like those of us at
- 28:30home, the the mere mortals at home, right?
- 28:33If Lex doesn't get this week 1, I don't think like that level of
- 28:41like, Oh man, I'm forever behind effects you as much.
- 28:45And I don't think it affects me that that that much.
- 28:49Sure, but. I think you got to be at your
- 28:51level, Sean or higher for it, for like it the I'm falling
- 28:55behind FOMO to really start kicking in.
- 28:57Yeah, but that I mean, that's that's a massive amount of
- 29:00guilds. It's like 500 guilds of people,
- 29:04right for that where that matters, that makes a difference
- 29:08like that. And I wasn't talking race to a
- 29:09first level when I said you're. I was talking like the Hall of
- 29:12Fame to you know, that anywhere, anywhere from from from like 25
- 29:18to 500 and even above, like there are people who are in
- 29:21lower ranked guilds who like to push mythic plus itself on, you
- 29:26know, with a group. If you're in a group that pushes
- 29:29mythic plus and you don't time this even one week, it doesn't
- 29:33have to be the first week. If any week you make a mistake,
- 29:36you're now forever behind that piece of mythic loot.
- 29:40So and I just think it's harsh because it's the only content
- 29:47that doesn't allow multiple tries.
- 29:50Everything else you can try again, but this is this is
- 29:53overly, I think it's overly punishing.
- 29:56I think the more I'm thinking about this, I think it should
- 29:58not have dropped with hash because I, I, I kind of agree
- 30:01with Manny that like the the point, the reason it's exciting
- 30:04is that it is limited and it is hard to access.
- 30:07And I think overwhelmingly there's some degree of like, you
- 30:09know, I'm not personally super worried about the race world
- 30:12first folks because they're the best in the world.
- 30:15And so I, I, I could be wrong. I doubt that they're going to
- 30:17have a lot of failed deathless hard mode Tazewash if they're
- 30:20going into it prepped and ready. I but obviously humans make
- 30:24mistakes and video games are like errors happen.
- 30:28I'm not saying that it's impossible, but I I'm not super
- 30:29worried about them. I'm also honestly not super
- 30:32worried about people at like, you know, high level to mid
- 30:37casual like or like true casuals like me, because I feel like
- 30:40we're pretty good at reading like we we can read our own
- 30:43vibes, right? Like I'm just going to like I
- 30:46will say to my entire group, I'm not touching that.
- 30:48Like if you guys want to try your hard mode, deathless Todd
- 30:51Todd Savesh, please do it before you play with me.
- 30:54I will not. I'm not going to engage with
- 30:55that because I know that I would be the like I I I stopped
- 30:58playing mythic because I had one really bad M plus, because I had
- 31:01one really bad era Cara run. I would be devastated if I was
- 31:06trying this. So, like I I just step out of
- 31:07it, right? For or you're like, I know this
- 31:09group of friends, like, yeah, I'm going to feel bad, but like
- 31:11it'll be whatever, right? We we know how to like laugh it
- 31:13off and keep playing. I do think though, because right
- 31:17now it's so like loot is not easy to get, especially in
- 31:20mythic loot and the people who are pushing are pushing for a
- 31:24thing. I think having that time
- 31:26limited, like I think this should have this shouldn't have
- 31:28dropped at least until the end of the race, for example, just
- 31:31because I feel like it just it's a lot of pressure for really
- 31:35high reward that isn't really catch up able and will be catch
- 31:38up able in the future. You know, there'll come a point
- 31:40that mythic loot will be exciting, but not Oh my God, are
- 31:43you serious? I get one promised piece of
- 31:45mythic loot or Oh my God, are you serious?
- 31:47You're the reason that this entire five group can't get
- 31:49mythic loot. I just, I, I do think that it's
- 31:52pretty intense for dropping a patch.
- 31:57Yeah, like Lex you make some really good points there.
- 32:00It is most impactful earlier and far less impactful later,
- 32:06especially as soon as the race is done and as more teams
- 32:09complete. Yeah, like gearing up after
- 32:12you've gone through. I don't want to say that this is
- 32:15just a concern for the race to Walt first teams, because when I
- 32:18like use your level or higher, Sean as like the words that I
- 32:23use, I don't mean to say that Sean, you're the you're raceable
- 32:26first person. Like you.
- 32:31Are a mythic Raider right who hits your your your cutting edge
- 32:38consistently? Like I can't think of the last
- 32:40season that you didn't get cutting edge, right.
- 32:45And we just talked about the difference between like race,
- 32:48the world first and the people in the Hall of the Hall of Fame.
- 32:51Like it's a, it's a larger community that is going to be
- 32:58concerned about this than just the people you see on like
- 33:03Twitch. And that I do think that maybe
- 33:09later on Blizzard could put through like a hot fix or
- 33:17something that's like, hey guys, now the first 3 attempts, right?
- 33:25And then later on, now it's the first 55 attempts or something
- 33:29later on as sort of a almost a soft nerf to allow people to get
- 33:34more loot to to get into it and like alleviate that and maybe
- 33:38make it more appealing to a broader audience.
- 33:41But I do think that the one attempt at the beginning is
- 33:50somewhat important because this can't be another mythic plus
- 33:53nearly guaranteed way of getting loot.
- 33:56Like it has to have some form of tension or otherwise you may as
- 34:01well just start looking at like, Hey, do we want to just have end
- 34:06to run loot be that level anymore or not do it at all.
- 34:10Like there's, there's, there's a very fine line that you have to
- 34:15you have to walk for reward bounds here.
- 34:19I mean I would argue that just completing A deathless run is
- 34:22probably enough tension. It's 9 bosses tuned to the
- 34:27difficulty of A + 10 with extra mechanics.
- 34:31Like it's not mythic 0 health pools and that comes with extra
- 34:35mechanics that aren't seen in mythic plus.
- 34:37So you can't even practice it. Like there's no I think that's
- 34:41the issue is like you can't, you're like you just can't
- 34:43practice it unless you go on the PTR and practice it on the PTR
- 34:47and like the mechanics change from boss to boss.
- 34:49So unless you go and watch Avada, I don't know.
- 34:52I I think like just removing the once a week I think makes this
- 35:01probably perfect and it's in its implementation.
- 35:05Leaving the once a week is fine. You know, the people that are
- 35:09like super crazy about it will do all the research and wait
- 35:12till the last possible second when they have the most gear
- 35:14this week to try it. And then those who brick it or
- 35:17who make a mistake, they'll just be behind.
- 35:20They will forever be behind this season.
- 35:22And that, I don't know, that's a bad feeling for people.
- 35:25OK. I do want to address forever
- 35:27behind, but go ahead Lex. Oh, I was going to say, how
- 35:29would you just because this thing, I'm not turning over in
- 35:31my head. How would you feel if instead of
- 35:32like loot, it was something like every week there's a new mount
- 35:36or there's one mount that you get?
- 35:38Like if it was something that felt a little bit less like,
- 35:41like this is still a big reward, but it's not devastating if I
- 35:44don't. It's not like a huge power loss
- 35:46if I don't get it. I don't personally care about
- 35:48mounts so that wouldn't be the hook.
- 35:49That would be a hook for me and I think most mount collectors
- 35:52aren't going to be able to complete a deathless or ON still
- 35:55very late in the season. Most of them, most, not all.
- 35:58There are some mount collectors that are exceptional at Mythic
- 36:01plus, but I think the majority of them are mount collectors for
- 36:05a reason and it's because they don't enjoy Wow.
- 36:08They don't enjoy that content. I, I, I think that mount
- 36:14collecting is not a direct reflection of your, your
- 36:18involvement in other areas of the game.
- 36:20There are people who like love making gold but are amazing
- 36:23Raiders or people who love collecting mounts but are like
- 36:26crazy about pet battles. Like it's just, it's just
- 36:29another vector of interest. So I don't think it, it quite
- 36:31aligns with like your skill or love for any other part of the
- 36:37game. If.
- 36:38You're spending 10 hours a day farming old raids and
- 36:42collecting. You're not spending that time
- 36:45getting better at current content.
- 36:46So your skill level, you know what I mean?
- 36:48Like you, what you practice is what you're going to be good at,
- 36:52you know? Sure, but like you can still be
- 36:56like really good at it and then oh, I got some off time.
- 37:00I'll collect. You might not have amazing
- 37:02amount of. Balance.
- 37:02That's why I said. Still be interested in it.
- 37:04That I mean, there's a difference between.
- 37:07I think there's a distinction between, you know somebody who
- 37:10is a Raider or a mythic plus runner who also likes mounts and
- 37:14a mount collector. A mount collector plays the game
- 37:17to collect mounts. Someone like yourself plays the
- 37:19game for other reasons but also happens to collect mounts.
- 37:23You know your sole purpose for the game isn't mount collecting.
- 37:26Right, but like I I'm there are people who will identify
- 37:30themselves as mount collectors. You probably do not have as many
- 37:33mounts as as I do, right? There are people who will
- 37:38identify themselves as like mount collectors who have
- 37:46cutting edge and and have like pushed deep deeper into the raid
- 37:53at difficulties that I don't even attempt.
- 37:56I just, I don't think that the two are aligned.
- 37:59Like, yes, your time is limited and you, you have to put it
- 38:02towards something, but there are, there are people who are
- 38:05just like, better than me at like one thing or another and
- 38:09therefore don't have to put the time that I put at that thing.
- 38:14And like, like their interests might align with mine, but
- 38:18their, their ability, right. And their luck, because mount
- 38:22collecting is like very much a huge portion of it is luck can
- 38:26be, can be totally matched. But I did want to talk about
- 38:32your forever behind comment because that's the other part of
- 38:36this is that the teams that do get this and get all their teams
- 38:44and, and such will have a significant power boost and that
- 38:47will help them in their progression through this season.
- 38:54Are they forever behind? Yes and no.
- 38:58There are definitely times where you might have the luck of loot
- 39:02that I've had this week where you go and you run time walking
- 39:06because time walking was giving out, giving out heroic.
- 39:09If you did the the five dungeons or you did the the raid and
- 39:15killed enough bosses and you happen to get boots and then you
- 39:19do another thing and you get boots and then you do another
- 39:22thing and you get belt And it's just like the pieces that you
- 39:25get might be misaligned in in the fact that like, why was time
- 39:32walking in this season giving out cloaks?
- 39:35Why did I get 3 cloaks? Oh, woe is me.
- 39:38Or or in different ways. So like there's the possibility
- 39:46that like the the loot isn't going to line line up as well,
- 39:50right? Somebody who like gets it gets
- 39:53doesn't, doesn't get a good piece.
- 39:55Somebody who missed it one week, but the next week gets one of
- 39:58those really good trinkets. Are they really that far behind?
- 40:03Like it's, it's, there's a wash in that, But also there's the
- 40:06fact that like, as these teams progress, as they, they are
- 40:10pushing loot. They are going to get less from
- 40:15these dungeons as it's more likely to hit the pieces that
- 40:18they've already got their best in slot or something along those
- 40:22lines in so like it isn't quite cut and dry.
- 40:28And so when when Sean was saying Forever behind, I want to speak
- 40:32to the audience, it's not like he wasn't thinking these things.
- 40:35Often times I have conversations with Sean and I'm pedantically
- 40:38saying things that Sean's already considered.
- 40:40This is one of those times in my mind.
- 40:43But I do want to say it because. Because you don't think the
- 40:47audience will. Be in short form, huh?
- 40:49Because you don't think the audience is as smart as me.
- 40:53I think that like people will take you at your word and not
- 40:57understand that you're short forming stuff and it has to be
- 41:00spoken out. I want the audience to know that
- 41:02I would never think that they weren't right with me to fully
- 41:09answer Lex's question. If this was anything at all
- 41:13other than mythic loot or shield trans mogs I wouldn't care what
- 41:19they did with it. But I think if this was a
- 41:24cosmetic thing that you would see the collector community piss
- 41:28blood that it was only once a week and that it could be ruined
- 41:30by somebody jumping off before you start a key.
- 41:33Rightfully so, they already have the hardest job in the game.
- 41:39Actually I just have a a super quick question for you guys.
- 41:42As the less casual to the group, would you guys ever like hug
- 41:46someone into this? Because I I guess I'm just like
- 41:48like surprised by the fear of like somebody grieving you.
- 41:51And I'm like, I cannot imagine doing something this hard and
- 41:54this precise not with. And I guess, I guess if you're
- 41:57pugging, if you have to pug, you like, you know, if you don't
- 41:59have friends who want to do this with you, if you're friends with
- 42:01me and you're like, Oh my God. Right.
- 42:03I have a five, I have a five Man Group, but one of them's lack.
- 42:06So we don't, we don't have anybody for hired mode.
- 42:09Exactly. OK, I answered my own question.
- 42:11Yeah, but no, I would not pug. I would.
- 42:12There is zero chance I will pug this.
- 42:15I will run this only with guildies and and and friends and
- 42:18not even all my friends are. You going to run with me, Sean?
- 42:22Are you going to invite me? No.
- 42:23That's good. Are you going to invite me?
- 42:24Because I value your feelings and I know that it would be too
- 42:28stressful for you and I didn't want I wouldn't want to put you
- 42:30in that situation. Thank you, Sean.
- 42:32You're. Welcome.
- 42:33And I consider Manny a mound collector, so that'll answer the
- 42:35question of whether or not I'd invite him.
- 42:38Yeah, I'll see myself out, but for the rest of us mere mortals
- 42:42that want to get gear there? Is wait for legal reasons.
- 42:46That was a joke. No, it wasn't.
- 42:50I'm going to edit out the fact that you said that was a.
- 42:51Joke. They're going to think I'm so
- 42:54elitist, they'll be right. That was so good.
- 43:01That was I'm really, really pleased with myself.
- 43:04That was very clever. Sorry.
- 43:08Well, for those of you who are not going to be pushing through
- 43:13Tasvash hard mode trying to get your deathless runs, there is
- 43:16more gear stuff coming up as part of a panel that we're going
- 43:22to be talking about soon. Blizzard has announced that the
- 43:26turbo boost is going to be coming back in season 3, so
- 43:32we're looking at 11 point 2.5 again, Turbo boost.
- 43:36For those of you who have short memories, that is when they
- 43:40jacked up the levels that you could upgrade your gear by 6.
- 43:45So you could get two more upgrades at the end of your
- 43:47mythic track, your hero track or whatever, and gave everybody a
- 43:51bit of boost of power. This was done in conjunction
- 43:57with the dinars, but that is a separate system.
- 44:00Want to make sure that people realize that that that ability
- 44:04to buy trinkets was separate from this power boost.
- 44:07I'm really glad that this is the thing coming back.
- 44:09I think I like this more than the dinar system.
- 44:15And I say that I'm really glad that this is the thing coming
- 44:18back. But I think it is like of the
- 44:21two, which one would I'd like more because I don't think I
- 44:25like either one of them. To be truthful with you guys,
- 44:29I've already said on previous things, I dislike how quickly
- 44:34things become obsolete when you go from season to season.
- 44:38And I dislike that like part way through the season.
- 44:42Well, this is when the real push begins, and this is when we can
- 44:45really see how far you can get in in your keys to see what the
- 44:50new cap of keys is. And this power creep over the
- 44:54course of a season means that, like, people who pushed early,
- 44:57Well, yeah, that was just so you get your gear because the real
- 45:00push is when these five events concur and give you like, an
- 45:04extra 25% power. Anyways, that's my complaint
- 45:09about this, but it's coming back.
- 45:11What do you guys think? Let's start with you, Lex.
- 45:16So I like the midway through the season, they're like, oh, it's
- 45:22OK. I know, I know you don't have
- 45:23AOTC yet. It's OK here, Here you go.
- 45:26Yeah, No, you can get extra levels.
- 45:28It's OK. I think that's good.
- 45:31So I'm excited it's coming back. I'm sorry, Manny.
- 45:35Totally fine. Like I understand I am likely in
- 45:38the vast minority where I'm like, just let me get whatever
- 45:42my season goal is, let me set at the beginning and be fine with
- 45:46it, get the gear, see how far I can go and be like, that's where
- 45:50my limit is. Not like, oh, sorry, that's
- 45:52before you gave me like head and chance and I'm going back into
- 45:57it again, Sean, I don't. Really have feelings on this
- 46:02either. I do have a just a tip though
- 46:05for everybody because we know this is coming.
- 46:08You have the ability to trade up your crests at the Drac fear in
- 46:14Donegal where you can turn your weather into carves.
- 46:16You're carved into ruined. You're ruined into gilded.
- 46:19If at all possible do not do that at all this season until
- 46:26turbo boost. The reason is last season we had
- 46:30multiple Guild members who never upgraded their crests.
- 46:32They always just found out their new crests for the week when
- 46:35turbo boost came they upgraded them all and didn't have to do a
- 46:39single dungeon to Max out all their gear.
- 46:42So if you can at all avoid upgrading your crests, do so and
- 46:47then just farm your Max volto. Farm your Max Crest out every
- 46:51week. As far as turbos goes, it's I
- 46:56think it's an elegant way to nerf the raid, but it's so it's
- 47:01good because it I I, I like when more people can clear the raid.
- 47:04We are currently liberation of Undermine was the most cleared
- 47:07raid of, I want to say all time, but if not all time, it was
- 47:12definitely the first time in forever that the second tier
- 47:16raid had more clears than the first tier raid did.
- 47:19It was wildly successful, So many clears, turbo boost, so pro
- 47:25more teams get to clear clear the content, more people get to
- 47:28enjoy the content. More people then move up to a
- 47:31next difficulty of content that they normally wouldn't get to
- 47:33see. That's a pro Con is if you have
- 47:37finished really early in the season, now you have to like
- 47:41come back at the midway point. A lot of people play the game
- 47:43seasonally. If you finish really early now,
- 47:45you have to come back at the midway point to catch your
- 47:47character back up to speed for the preparation into midnight.
- 47:51I know you're going to say, oh, it doesn't matter midnight
- 47:53because it's all going to get gear when we level through
- 47:54midnight and this gear won't matter.
- 47:56But there are people who need to optimize everything, so they'll
- 47:59need to do that. Lex, you have a question before
- 48:01I do my next con. What I was going to say is it's
- 48:04it's, it's the change on expansion, so.
- 48:07It's. All going to go away and it's
- 48:10but like listen, if you if you feel, if you experience joy when
- 48:14you optimize things knowing that they'll be meaningless, good for
- 48:17you. That was really that was really
- 48:19condescending. I'm so sorry.
- 48:20I mean that genuinely, I genuinely like, play the game
- 48:24the way that makes you happy. Sorry, what's your next con?
- 48:26Don't let Lex get you down, she's not going to have any
- 48:28mythic pieces from Tessa Fishhard mode.
- 48:30I sure I probably don't have any mythic pieces.
- 48:34You can. She's going to be so far.
- 48:37Behind and then my next con is if you're somebody who kills the
- 48:40raid around that .5 mark turbo boost, it can go one of two
- 48:46ways. Option one, hey, we get a boost
- 48:49to get the get past the last boss or two, get over that.
- 48:52I'm great. But the other side to that is if
- 48:55you're close to a kill on on dementias and turbo boost kicks
- 48:59in, you're now robbed of that opportunity to see if you could
- 49:03have done it at that lower item level because you're going to up
- 49:06up gear to the next level and get that kill.
- 49:08So it's trying to pulls the rug out.
- 49:09It can pull the rug out from under you.
- 49:11That one. There's no like there's a pro
- 49:13Anicon there with that one with it coming out of the .5 patch,
- 49:18yeah. And I guess my only complaint is
- 49:21that I can't trade crests between my alts and my main SO.
- 49:26There's a new that comes back with turbo boost.
- 49:28Sorry. Maybe that comes back with turbo
- 49:31boost? I don't think we've ever been
- 49:32able to trade crests between alts.
- 49:33Oh wait, no crests. I'm thinking valor.
- 49:36Nevermind. Yeah, yeah, Valor.
- 49:38Valor is like a nothing burger anyway.
- 49:39I don't know anybody who's not. So yeah, Valor should just not
- 49:44exist. For the, for the, for the
- 49:46listeners at home, I've definitely run out of valor.
- 49:50OK wait, are you currently valor cap?
- 49:53Because I think that was what the sentence was going.
- 49:55I'm surely not. Continue flex, right?
- 50:00There you go. Now you know.
- 50:02Casual. We know I'm the casual.
- 50:05But yeah, it's so I don't know, I just there's like a 0% chance
- 50:09I'm going to look at Turbo Boost and my 4 alts and think I can't
- 50:13wait to do 42 more plus twelves for all of them.
- 50:16And actually I think it was higher than I think it was like
- 50:2184 I had to do. It was a ridiculous number
- 50:23anyway. I don't know, I did not mean to
- 50:25just double that first number. I said, but that's that's what
- 50:28happened. But that was coming back.
- 50:29But this isn't news because they told us they had an interview
- 50:33like a month ago where they said, yeah, we really like Turbo
- 50:35Boost and we'd like to see something like that come back in
- 50:37season 3. And then it's like the Internet
- 50:40forgot that they said that and that they read it.
- 50:42We actually reported that. Yeah, but they said, they said
- 50:46they would like to see something like that.
- 50:48We didn't know exactly and we didn't know if it was going to
- 50:52so for them to well. And they've never not had like
- 50:57made like the halfway point of the patch is always when they
- 50:59just start like finding a way to just throw things at you, which
- 51:02again, I like because I like the fact that if I have been
- 51:05struggling with things, they say it's OK.
- 51:07No, no, no, no, no, it's OK. You don't have to quit Mythic
- 51:10plus it's OK. Look, you get more.
- 51:13We knew that interview was legit because it wasn't an Ian quote.
- 51:17Your hate of Ian. Continues.
- 51:20I think he's lovely and I think the game has climbed like
- 51:24decades above where it was since he took over as game director.
- 51:27I think Ian is doing a fantastic job but I need to be curmudgeon
- 51:31abled somebody and I think Morgan Day is a sweetheart, so
- 51:35Ian gets it. Yeah, we got him.
- 51:37We all have to have the one person that we name and shame on
- 51:39the podcast, which Manny, you have to pick yours.
- 51:41Who's the dev that you want to publicly state your dislike of?
- 51:45Not just like we love you. Yeah, I got none.
- 51:48I have. I have different people who are
- 51:50no longer part of Blizzard that I think are absolute ass hats.
- 51:54But we won't mention you better than this episode.
- 51:57Let's move on. Manny, he's one of us.
- 52:00Dear God, something we can all look forward to.
- 52:05I. Bet you he does it.
- 52:06Definitely no. Let's not talk about him.
- 52:08Let's move on. I'm sorry.
- 52:10OK, so something we can look forward to is the Legion Remix,
- 52:16which is going to be our last story of this episode.
- 52:20We had a Wow cast that came out where they unleashed all this
- 52:25information about Legion remix. It looks like they have taken
- 52:30the formula for Mr. Pandera Remix and then amped it up a
- 52:35bit. They talked about how you're
- 52:39going to have the 12 Legion classes to play through and go
- 52:45through. That experience is going to be
- 52:48an accelerated pace. However, it is going to have
- 52:53some time gating. I said the word time gating.
- 52:56I'm really sorry guys. You're not going to be able to
- 52:59kill Argus on day one. Quitting the game.
- 53:03Yeah, there's a lot of improvements that they have
- 53:08done, like bronze is purely cosmetic.
- 53:11That is something I know, Sean, you and I were a little little
- 53:15giving you a little side eye at 1st and then we realized, hey,
- 53:17once you get the power, then you'll get enough bronze.
- 53:20And they made multiple improvements along the way of
- 53:24Mr. Pandaria so that like we were swimming with bronze by the
- 53:26end of it, just like Remix before, we're getting a lot of
- 53:33cosmetics like the pets, the mounts, the transmog gear.
- 53:37Things that they have said that is that are coming back along
- 53:40those lines include the artefact weapons, not the mage tower.
- 53:49People are upset about that friendship Burb coming back as
- 53:54well as the class mounts, but with a new fell green version
- 54:00for all of them. I don't know what that means for
- 54:02warlocks because we already had a fell green version, but this
- 54:05is like I guess a more fell green Rasteed.
- 54:12There's also like a number of things, like different variants
- 54:15of stuff that that didn't exist in Legion, but it's very much
- 54:20Legion, Legion esque. So Manoroff's shield, the
- 54:25corrupted version of Varian's sword, which looks so good.
- 54:33I got to get that for my warrior.
- 54:37The, the thing that is is exciting me most is that for
- 54:44world quest for the outdoor world, they are taking a page
- 54:49from Diablo and actually having different tiers of difficulty
- 54:53for the, for the world. I'm hoping and like knock on
- 54:59wood, I'm not going to knock because I don't want this to
- 55:02screw up the recording. I'm hoping that this is
- 55:07something that they're testing for the main game because we've
- 55:13said it here a number of times, or at least I've said it here a
- 55:15number of times that like outdoor world content need some
- 55:18teeth. And this might be this might be
- 55:22exactly what I need. This might be me biting off more
- 55:24than I could chew and I will be happy for that.
- 55:28What are you guys excited for in in Legion that I haven't talked
- 55:32about because there's a number of things in here.
- 55:35I'm going to throw this one to Sean first.
- 55:38When am I supposed to play this because I'll be busy gearing my
- 55:41characters up from the turbo boost during the 11 point 2.5.
- 55:47Sean, you could always exposure therapy, not maxing everything
- 55:50like you, you could, you could do that as like a personal goal,
- 55:52Like I'm going to see how it feels to not do everything that
- 55:56I can do this season. Sure, Alex, I.
- 55:58Get where your head's at Alex. But think about it this way, he
- 56:01would just be like supplanting mid maxing his live character
- 56:05for supplant for mid maxing his character in Legion.
- 56:08So would it help at all in that way?
- 56:10Because you're something we're also not thinking about here.
- 56:13It just it seems like a lot. I liked that panda like they
- 56:17mentioned. Hey, we're putting everything
- 56:18back in all the dungeons, all the raids, all the campaign
- 56:21quests, all the class, all quests, all the artifact quests
- 56:24and we're going to time gate it. Every two weeks you get a new
- 56:27flavorful of this stuff. It just feels like a lot to jam
- 56:32into the four month window that is .5 up to 12 point O.
- 56:41And on top of that we have turbo boost like I sort of tongue in
- 56:44cheek mentioned, but there's going to be midnight alpha at
- 56:47the exact same time at midnight beta.
- 56:49Like it's sort of what happened with classic Mop classic
- 56:53launching right at the same time as 11.2.
- 56:56And when there are people who genuinely like, severely suffer
- 57:01from the need to collect everything, who will lose sleep
- 57:07and 'cause themselves like, not like, it will, it will damage
- 57:10themselves to make sure they get everything and do all of this
- 57:14while also doing all those other things.
- 57:17I feel like it's too much. There's twelve class campaigns.
- 57:22Pandaria remix that happened during a season 4 right?
- 57:27Am I fully making that up? Yes, yeah.
- 57:30So when nothing was happening. Yeah, I do kind of agree that if
- 57:37you're not going to have a season 4, why are you giving me
- 57:39filler content? Like respectfully, remix
- 57:43Pandaria was filler content. To be fair though, I was not a
- 57:48remix girlie so I've not been paying heavy attention to Legion
- 57:51in general. Like Legion Remix in general, I
- 57:54know that it's some people's thing.
- 57:55So I mean to yuck anyone's Yum. For me personally, it felt like
- 57:58I didn't get into it right away. And then when I did get into it,
- 58:00everyone was just like face rolling everything.
- 58:02Which like, it's fun for a few runs to go through a dungeon and
- 58:05all you're doing is trot trot trotting behind somebody while
- 58:07they wipe it out. And then you kind of get sick of
- 58:09that. But that's my own problem.
- 58:10I I wasn't playing like Sean. I wasn't even maxing.
- 58:13And that's my own fault. But yeah, I think I kind of am
- 58:18on your side with this Sean. That it it it.
- 58:22This is something to throw in when we're in a lot like a a
- 58:27content lull, not with a .5. Yeah, there there will be people
- 58:33who still haven't finished the raid, right?
- 58:34Like raid teams will still be progressing.
- 58:37It's, I don't know, it just feels like a lot.
- 58:39Not to complain endlessly about Blizzard's new road maps, but I
- 58:43feel like this is kind of the downfall of the road map, which
- 58:47is that if something is in the road map, they feel like they
- 58:49have to put it in right. Like if they're going to put a
- 58:52Legion, maybe I'm wrong, Manny's making face of me that makes me
- 58:54think that I'm wrong. But if like I, I, I feel like
- 58:58Legion remix is something to have in your little back pocket
- 59:02for when you know that your team is going to need help, right?
- 59:06And they're going to need to be able to have a longer mid patch
- 59:09or they're going to need to put in a Season 4 that they didn't
- 59:11originally want. And you need something so that
- 59:14people don't, you know, send death threats on Twitter.
- 59:17And you're like, OK, yeah. So we're doing the Season 4.
- 59:19And while we're announcing Season 4, also Legion Remix,
- 59:23right? Putting it in on the road map
- 59:25and making it a part of the game in general leads to it not being
- 59:30like makes it filler content that has to go in even if you
- 59:33don't need filler content. Yeah.
- 59:39I'd love your thoughts. Money.
- 59:41Oh, I'm going to be the meanest that I can be to do poor
- 59:46collectors. Even though Sean thinks, and I'm
- 59:49I'm one of you, get over it. I'm sorry.
- 59:53I think that part of the thrill of collecting should be the
- 59:58hunt. I think that.
- 1:00:01You have to prioritize. I hate that people go and and
- 1:00:04complain every month that I don't have enough tenders to get
- 1:00:07everything in the in the trading post.
- 1:00:11Well, then you don't get everything in the traders post.
- 1:00:13Make priorities. If if this is going to hurt you
- 1:00:17to not have everything, then you need to adjust your view.
- 1:00:25Like Sean's talking about like, hey, like I want to hunt trans
- 1:00:29mog. We want to talk about all trans
- 1:00:30mog. He likes shield trans mog
- 1:00:33because he prioritizes raiding mythic plus and stuff.
- 1:00:36And he's like, I'm not going to collect every trans mog.
- 1:00:39That's too much. So even with all the time that
- 1:00:43Sean says he has to play on North America and Europe and do
- 1:00:47all these things, he, he narrows his focus down so that like he
- 1:00:51can maintain sanity and maintain real life relationships.
- 1:00:55Like apparently he's got a, a woman that he lives with.
- 1:00:58Like I don't want to preach about.
- 1:01:02Did you just balance but everything?
- 1:01:04In moderation, including Wow, did you?
- 1:01:07Just refer to Anjali as a woman that I live with.
- 1:01:13I was just giving the general thing like you have
- 1:01:15relationships that you maintain that you prioritize, right?
- 1:01:20And like I didn't want to like go to down the preachy Rd.
- 1:01:24because I'm already like veering so hard into it.
- 1:01:27But I think that if you are somebody who wants to get the
- 1:01:32stuff from Mr. Pandaria, but sorry rather from Legion Remix,
- 1:01:38but also wants to get the stuff currently on on live, yes, you
- 1:01:42are going to have to make a choice.
- 1:01:43I think that the last patch of a expansion right where the gear
- 1:01:49is going to be made relatively obsolete by by the next
- 1:01:55expansion and you want to collect everything, then
- 1:01:58prioritize Legion remix because that's there temporarily.
- 1:02:03And when you are level 90 and able to squash everything in
- 1:02:07Koresh, come back and stomp that.
- 1:02:10Yes, it's it's going to come at you a little bit faster than you
- 1:02:13can deal with right now. But like I also want options for
- 1:02:19the people who are like done with Koresh.
- 1:02:21Maybe they went through the story and the the story ended
- 1:02:25this this week except for the except for the epilogue.
- 1:02:30If you happen to be stuck behind the story mode raid clear,
- 1:02:35you're going to have to wait for that.
- 1:02:36And there are people who aren't doing everything, but they
- 1:02:39should still get content. There are people who love love
- 1:02:43collecting, don't like rating, but they should still get
- 1:02:46collect content. There are people who missed
- 1:02:48legion in the 1st place and this is a way cool accessible way to
- 1:02:52way to do it. So like, yes, it's not there for
- 1:02:57everybody, right? But like, just like how this,
- 1:03:02this version of hard mode Tazewesh effects some people,
- 1:03:07negatively effects some people, gives some stuff for some people
- 1:03:11to do. There are going to be things
- 1:03:14where Blitzer's going to put out stuff that maybe isn't for you
- 1:03:17or conflicts with stuff that you're already trying to do.
- 1:03:20And I think as gamers, we should accept that and not expect them
- 1:03:24to put out the perfect calendar. So I can get everything in
- 1:03:27classic and everything in retail and then everything when Mr.
- 1:03:32Panteria drops. And then poor Sean, who might
- 1:03:35not like any of, sorry, I keep saying Mr. Panteria when Legion
- 1:03:38drops, and then poor Sean, who doesn't like any of this, has to
- 1:03:40wait around 12 months for you to collect everything.
- 1:03:43That doesn't feel fair to Sean either.
- 1:03:45But Sean, you had a point to to go against this.
- 1:03:48Go ahead. It's not to go against it, I
- 1:03:50just wanted to know or wanted to ask, do we not have to make
- 1:03:56enough sacrifices in real life for things that we want and
- 1:04:00can't have? Is it not OK for us to be able
- 1:04:02to just get everything in a video game?
- 1:04:05Yes and no. That's supposed to bring joy.
- 1:04:09It's not supposed to be a microcosm to teach us how to
- 1:04:11deal with life. It's just supposed to be a fun
- 1:04:14thing we play. OK, I collect mounts and I love
- 1:04:21collecting mounts and it's a fun thing.
- 1:04:23It's a fun thing I play, but I'm never going to get PvP mounts.
- 1:04:26That's always going to be a gap for me, right?
- 1:04:29Don't you want and I could do. It and I could or I could be
- 1:04:31like Blizzard you should stop doing PvP mounts because mount
- 1:04:34collectors and PvP players are completely opposite.
- 1:04:37Because those people who get glad they spend their time
- 1:04:39fighting, not collecting mounts. That's true, and that seems like
- 1:04:42a very silly argument that we would never have on this show.
- 1:04:48It's true. I think it's true, yeah.
- 1:04:50I mean, the fact you don't have glad mounts proves it.
- 1:04:58Sean was right. Yeah.
- 1:05:03Go get some glad mounts. Yeah.
- 1:05:06I mean, lead. Your remix is probably going to
- 1:05:08be fun. I imagine Twitter will love it
- 1:05:12because they love things. Yeah.
- 1:05:14I don't know. I don't, I know I don't.
- 1:05:17I would love to experience. I think it'll be cool to
- 1:05:18experience the story of the the classes I haven't play because I
- 1:05:21didn't play Legion when it was current.
- 1:05:23But just where this is launching, I already know, you
- 1:05:28know, And in .7 we're getting housing, so it's like, I don't
- 1:05:32know. Yeah.
- 1:05:33And it doesn't matter. It'll be playing a solo game
- 1:05:36anyway because the world's are all going to be phased as people
- 1:05:38playing different difficulties. Yeah, that's the thing that I, I
- 1:05:42definitely want to test this out because like the different world
- 1:05:45tiers on top of phasing when things get busy or on top of
- 1:05:51like different, different realms and stuff, I'm hoping that it
- 1:05:54doesn't segment the world too much.
- 1:05:56Like there's gonna, there's gonna have to be some, some sort
- 1:06:01of thing that they're doing to make this work.
- 1:06:03But yeah, no, I'm excited. I'm excited for it, at least the
- 1:06:07prospect of it, assuming that I can, you know, find the time.
- 1:06:11But you're right. If I'm in like the alpha or the
- 1:06:15beta, yeah, sorry, Legion remix, you're taking the backseat.
- 1:06:20What about you, Lex? Anything like you're really
- 1:06:22excited for in here? I'm.
- 1:06:23Probably gonna go in and get some trans monks.
- 1:06:28Yeah, that's probably. I did play through lead band and
- 1:06:31it was really fun. But I think I'm going to be
- 1:06:34trying to get AOTC or after having AOTC or hopefully doing
- 1:06:39midnight stuff. And like I said, I was just not
- 1:06:43I, I really did not play Pandaria Remix a lot and I was
- 1:06:46really excited about Pandaria Remix.
- 1:06:49So I'm not counting on me being at all motivated to play lead
- 1:06:54remix, but we'll see. There's been plenty of things
- 1:06:56that I was like, I do not care about this.
- 1:06:57And then it was fun. I can't think of any examples,
- 1:07:00but I think they've happened. I believe.
- 1:07:02Can I give a special shout out to chat?
- 1:07:03The chat just made me chuckle pretty hard.
- 1:07:06OK, go, go ahead. After my rebuttal to Manny's
- 1:07:11statement, chat said Sean says can't we just collect everything
- 1:07:15but also Sean accept anything from mythic filthy casuals?
- 1:07:23See, you're, you're, you're a nuanced man.
- 1:07:25You're onion. You've got multiple layers
- 1:07:27there. It's make me try when I try and
- 1:07:29figure a new deal through them. Yeah, we're working with me.
- 1:07:32I've been told before that working with me is tear
- 1:07:35inducing, so yeah. Well, we're going to call it
- 1:07:41here. Thank you so much on and Lex for
- 1:07:45for this episode. We'll be back next week.
- 1:07:48And until next time guys, may all your hits be crits.