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Hernando County Fire/Rescue Incident Audio · B Shifter

• 0:39
  Speaker 1: Hello, john Vance, josh Bloom, welcome to the B-Shifter podcast.
• 0:44
  Speaker 1: Today we're going to feature some audio, a couple of different incidents we're going to take you to.
• 0:49
  Speaker 1: One's a kitchen fire, one's a residential fire with the defensive shift.
• 0:53
  Speaker 1: But first just want to check in with Josh.
• 0:56
  Speaker 1: How are you doing today?
• 0:57
  Speaker 2: Josh, I'm fantastic, john, thanks for asking.
• 1:01
  Speaker 1: I'm in Cincinnati and it's going to be 70 degrees and sunny today, so I hope winter is behind us and, just to give people some context, we are recording this on April 8th, so if you're listening to it this week, I think the eclipse is going on this week, isn't it?
• 1:19
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
• 1:21
  Speaker 2: The governor declared a state of emergency and traffic everywhere and stay off the road and, yeah, animal animals are going to be running wild everywhere so this might be our last podcast.
• 1:34
  Speaker 1: You know if, if everything comes crashing to a halt, right?
• 1:38
  Speaker 2: I've seen something this morning.
• 1:39
  Speaker 2: Stay away from uh raccoons and squirrels in the area because they will act crazy.
• 1:45
  Speaker 1: That's funny, that's great.
• 1:47
  Speaker 1: Hey, we're pretty excited because this week or next week at this time we'll be packing up to go to Indianapolis.
• 1:55
  Speaker 1: We'll be at FDIC.
• 1:56
  Speaker 1: We have a booth there.
• 1:58
  Speaker 1: We'll be there Wednesday through Saturday.
• 2:00
  Speaker 1: We want to invite everyone to come by see us ask questions that is, if we make it through the eclipse Ask questions.
• 2:08
  Speaker 1: We've got our FAFO t-shirts.
• 2:10
  Speaker 1: So if you want to join the fire department coalition, or firefighters against destructive decisions, you can do that with us.
• 2:17
  Speaker 1: We're going to be in booth 12039 in the Hoosier corridor between doors I and J, so we're out in the main kind of hallway area.
• 2:28
  Speaker 1: We always have a great time talking to the blue card folks out there, but especially this year you know we get a lot of people that don't understand what blue card is.
• 2:38
  Speaker 1: So if you've got that chief from your department, a decision maker in your department, that you want to send our way to talk a little bit about blue card and maybe get some of the misconceptions out of the way, we would invite you to do that as well.
• 2:53
  Speaker 2: We've got a big, big staff there this year.
• 2:56
  Speaker 2: So Chris Stewart's going to join us, grant Light's always there with us, eric Phillips is going to be there and then you, you know a few others.
• 3:04
  Speaker 2: So, uh, yeah, come hang out.
• 3:06
  Speaker 2: Uh might even throw some, some live, short little uh podcast snippets out there, like we did at the i-chiefs, maybe, um, get some recordings, maybe, whatever.
• 3:17
  Speaker 2: So, yeah, stop by, chat with us.
• 3:19
  Speaker 1: Questions answers, ideas come ideas, come on by Love to see you.
• 3:25
  Speaker 1: We continue to refine our online program, which has been the case since day one.
• 3:31
  Speaker 1: Back in October, we relaunched the website and we continue to make updates.
• 3:37
  Speaker 1: I know in the last couple of weeks we had a couple of huge updates made to that in terms of the dashboard and being able to see expiration dates.
• 3:44
  Speaker 1: Where are we at right now, josh, on everything with the B Shifter site and the Blue Card on Learning Platform?
• 3:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 3:53
  Speaker 2: So we're never going to be finished with it because we're going to live in the state of constantly fixing ourselves.
• 3:59
  Speaker 2: And you know, fixing yourself doesn't necessarily mean it's broke, it really just means that you can do better.
• 4:03
  Speaker 2: So again, our priority was getting the learning management system back up first, and that was back up right away, within a few days of when we all of you, the customer that use that system to help refine how the roster and building rosters and managing your personnel so that they can maintain certification.
• 4:21
  Speaker 2: We know your time is valuable, so that was a big piece of it.
• 4:49
  Speaker 2: Trying to just streamline how an instructor builds a roster, how fast they can find data and really some reports, so some quick reports that can be run.
• 5:02
  Speaker 2: That kind of gives you an overview of where are your students, what do they need to do, what have they done when renewals are coming up, all of that.
• 5:12
  Speaker 2: So every week we continue to improve upon the current system.
• 5:20
  Speaker 1: If you have any suggestions, too.
• 5:21
  Speaker 1: We are open to hearing from you all the time.
• 5:23
  Speaker 1: So Josh's email is right there, my email is right here, so feel free to send an email.
• 5:29
  Speaker 1: Let us know any thoughts you have or some things that you might think that we need within the system, and we'd be happy to look at it, because we are always fixing ourselves, like Josh said.
• 5:40
  Speaker 1: Like Josh said, and then, finally, before we get into the meat of the podcast, we continue to sign people up with early bird pricing for the Blue Cart Hazard Zone Conference, september 30th through October 4th in Sharonville, ohio, right outside of Cincinnati.
• 5:54
  Speaker 1: If you went to the conference this last year, over 500 people attended you know what a great learning and networking event that was.
• 6:03
  Speaker 1: We have even a bigger conference this year.
• 6:04
  Speaker 1: We have more instructors, more classes, and then we added some pre-conference classes too, including a May Day workshop.
• 6:14
  Speaker 1: The May Day workshop is filling fast.
• 6:16
  Speaker 1: I think right now we have 10 or 11 seats available for that.
• 6:20
  Speaker 1: One left and you could come out to Cincinnati, spend the week with us and get a lot of learning in and still take advantage of that early bird pricing.
• 6:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, $715 if you do the workshop right.
• 6:34
  Speaker 2: So two days of Mayday workshop, two days of a conference with 22 different presenters chief lead from FDNY.
• 6:43
  Speaker 2: Presenters, chief lead from FDNY, just a list of folks that we connect with Dan from FSRI, nfsa, our partner, shane Ray, and updates on sprinkler systems.
• 6:59
  Speaker 2: So there was 40 seats available in that Mayday workshop.
• 7:02
  Speaker 2: We're still six months away and I think there is like 10 or 11 seats left in that and anybody who signs up gets a free online account that's transferable.
• 7:08
  Speaker 2: So even if you're already certified, you can transfer that online account to somebody else.
• 7:13
  Speaker 2: So if you're just coming to the two-day component, you know you're gonna pay $4.15 to come to the conference and you would pay $3.85 for an online account.
• 7:22
  Speaker 2: So you know the difference of $30 and I get an online account and come to a two-day conference that's, you know, packed full of information and presenters.
• 7:33
  Speaker 1: And we added capacity compared to last year.
• 7:35
  Speaker 1: But at some point we will fill up, at some point the hotel blocks will be sold off.
• 7:40
  Speaker 1: So we want to encourage everyone to sign up early.
• 7:43
  Speaker 1: Get your early bird registration in.
• 7:45
  Speaker 1: We'd hate to have somebody who really wanted to do this try to get in at the last minute and you can't.
• 7:49
  Speaker 1: So get onto the website.
• 7:52
  Speaker 1: It's hazardzonebccom and that information in the show notes.
• 7:57
  Speaker 1: As always, you can follow that link and get registered.
• 8:01
  Speaker 1: Bring your department.
• 8:02
  Speaker 1: I always bring up the chief that told me he can send five people to this conference for what it costs him to send one person to another conference.
• 8:12
  Speaker 1: So you get a lot of value for your training dollar and a lot of learning, a lot of networking working, and it's a really great event for not only blue card users but potential blue card users out there, people who just care about fire command and want to learn best practices and what's going on as far as the cutting edge of incident command goes.
• 8:33
  Speaker 1: So today we are going to dive into some audio.
• 8:37
  Speaker 1: It's been a little bit since we've done some audio and we're going to feature a department today in Florida, hernando County.
• 8:43
  Speaker 1: Tell us a little bit about this department, josh, and the department profile, because this is the first time that we've featured them and I believe they're a newer blue card department, aren't they?
• 8:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so they are a newer blue card department.
• 8:57
  Speaker 2: So Hernando County is on the Gulf Coast towards the closer to the panhandle, above two or three counties above Tampa.
• 9:09
  Speaker 2: They've been doing blue card for about nine months.
• 9:13
  Speaker 2: They got 14 stations now, three battalion chiefs a day, a little over 300 personnel and their partners to their south.
• 9:24
  Speaker 2: Pasco County have been online doing blue card for years and then Polk County, just south of them, has been doing blue card for years and then we're starting to see some other growth in and around that Pasco Polk County area connecting back over towards Orange County and then, when you get back over the Orange County side, brevard County running all the way up and down the coast, all the way down to Miami-Dade.
• 9:52
  Speaker 2: That's been using the system for over 10 years.
• 9:56
  Speaker 2: So an interesting thing with the Hernando County when the chief went there, uh, one of the things that that he was rolling out and pushing out was that they they standardized incident command and deployment.
• 10:09
  Speaker 2: So, uh, he laid out some really defined expectations of what they were going to do with blue card.
• 10:15
  Speaker 2: And, just like any training, once you turn it on doesn't mean you're going to have 100 performance in the field.
• 10:22
  Speaker 2: You're probably never going to have 100 performance, but that't mean you're going to have 100% performance in the field.
• 10:25
  Speaker 2: You're probably never going to have 100% performance, but that's what you're always striving for.
• 10:27
  Speaker 2: Again, just like Command Function 7, right, we're always evaluating what we're doing, trying to do it better.
• 10:34
  Speaker 2: Even if we nailed it right, we can always improve and that's how we continue to do better.
• 10:41
  Speaker 2: So I think a key thing was that the chief rolling out some expectations and then you know, having feedback from the people who use the system of what does this really look like?
• 10:55
  Speaker 2: And then, really, once some folks started going through it, having that conversation of uh, we're going to use the system and use all of the system, because you know, far too often people try to uh, buy into whatever it is, um, and they only want to use part of it.
• 11:15
  Speaker 2: And it's like well, you're not going to get peak performance if you just piecemeal things together, because you know, most systems are designed to work together, all of the pieces, not just I'm going to try to plug in one part of it.
• 11:28
  Speaker 2: So, as we listen to these audio today, I mean you can hear that they've standardized a lot of things in a very short period of time.
• 11:39
  Speaker 2: You can understand exactly what's going on.
• 11:42
  Speaker 2: There's size up and follow up and can report communications.
• 11:47
  Speaker 2: It's very clear and defined and organized.
• 11:49
  Speaker 2: So, yeah, let's just hear it for ourselves.
• 11:59
  Speaker 4: Battalion Chief 1, Battalion Chief 2.
• 12:01
  Speaker 4: Station 1.
• 12:15
  Speaker 5: Engine 2, Engine 5, Rescue 5, switch to and respond on Fire 2 to 7454 Blackhawk Trail.
• 12:19
  Speaker 4: Reference to a residential fire.
• 12:20
  Speaker 4: Engine 2, responding on 2.
• 12:21
  Speaker 4: Battalion 2, responding on 2.
• 12:22
  Speaker 4: Responding All units.
• 12:27
  Speaker 4: I show you're responding.
• 12:27
  Speaker 4: I'm fired to 7454 Blackhawk Trail.
• 12:31
  Speaker 4: Reference to a residential fire.
• 12:32
  Speaker 4: Caller advised the sister was making chicken.
• 12:35
  Speaker 4: The oil on the stove caught fire.
• 12:37
  Speaker 4: There are flames at this time.
• 12:41
  Speaker 4: See called in by a minor.
• 12:44
  Speaker 4: Two minors on the property a 15-year-old and a 16-year-old.
• 12:47
  Speaker 4: Your closest hydrant is going to be just east of this address on Black Hawk Trail.
• 12:54
  Speaker 4: All units on fire.
• 12:56
  Speaker 4: To be advised.
• 12:56
  Speaker 4: The juvenile male is 15 years old.
• 13:01
  Speaker 4: Keeps trying to go back inside the residence to grab his Xbox.
• 13:06
  Speaker 4: He is not listening to the operator to stay outside.
• 13:10
  Speaker 3: Engine 1.
• 13:11
  Speaker 6: Engine 1.
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  Speaker 4: Engine 1, Orlando Engine 1.
• 13:13
  Speaker 6: Who's first Duke Engine 4,?
• 13:14
  Speaker 5: Orlando Engine 1, repeat who's first Duke Engine, Engine 2.
• 13:19
  Speaker 5: Engine 2, Orlando.
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  Speaker 4: Engine 2.
• 13:21
  Speaker 4: Engine 2.
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  Speaker 5: Engine, 2.
• 13:23
  Speaker 5: Engine, 2.
• 13:23
  Speaker 5: Engine 1, repeat.
• 13:24
  Speaker 4: Who's first to engine?
• 13:26
  Speaker 5: Engine 2.
• 13:26
  Speaker 3: Engine 2,.
• 13:27
  Speaker 4: Hernando Engine.
• 13:28
  Speaker 4: 2.
• 13:30
  Speaker 7: On the small single-story residential structure with smoke showing from the alpha side.
• 13:34
  Speaker 7: This will be a working fire Engine 2 will be stretching a hand line to the alpha side for fire control and primary search.
• 13:40
  Speaker 7: Continue the balancing alarm and we'll be establishing command.
• 13:43
  Speaker 4: Engine 2 is command Working.
• 13:45
  Speaker 4: Fire the correction smoke from the Alpha side single story residential.
• 13:50
  Speaker 5: Battalion 1, Hernando.
• 13:52
  Speaker 4: Go ahead On scene.
• 13:54
  Speaker 5: Copy on scene Battalion 1 to command.
• 13:56
  Speaker 5: Go ahead.
• 13:58
  Speaker 5: I understand that you have a hand line through Alpha for fire control primary search.
• 14:04
  Speaker 5: If that's correct, give me a cam.
• 14:09
  Speaker 7: That is correct.
• 14:10
  Speaker 7: Completing 360, no other hazards noted.
• 14:13
  Speaker 7: We're going to remain in the office of strategy and accountability is going to be on Alpha side, Engine 2.
• 14:20
  Speaker 5: Battalion 1 copying 360 complete, no additional hazards noted.
• 14:24
  Speaker 5: Accountability is going to be on engine two alpha Battalion one to Hernando Go ahead.
• 14:30
  Speaker 5: Assuming Blackhawk command continue to balance the alarm remaining in the offensive strategy.
• 14:38
  Speaker 4: Copy Battalion one Blackhawk command continue offensive strategy.
• 14:44
  Speaker 3: All personnel command.
• 14:48
  Speaker 5: Command engine two go ahead.
• 14:50
  Speaker 3: We have a status C.
• 14:51
  Speaker 3: Fire is out.
• 14:52
  Speaker 3: Checking for extension.
• 14:55
  Speaker 3: Primary search is complete.
• 14:59
  Speaker 5: No additional needs.
• 15:00
  Speaker 5: Command copy Fire is out.
• 15:03
  Speaker 5: Checking for extension.
• 15:04
  Speaker 5: Continuing primary search.
• 15:10
  Speaker 1: We need ventilation set up momentarily.
• 15:17
  Speaker 5: Copy we'll have ventilation set up momentarily.
• 15:18
  Speaker 5: Engine 5, rescue 5, level 1.
• 15:22
  Speaker 5: Command engine 5.
• 15:23
  Speaker 5: Engine 5, rescue 5, level 1, Command engine5.
• 15:25
  Speaker 5: Engine 5, go command, Spot your apparatus behind engine 2, Supply engine 2 and go on deck alpha Engine 5, copy.
• 15:36
  Speaker 5: Spot our apparatus behind engine 2, set up a water supply, then go on deck alpha Chief 1, command level one Command engine five, engine five.
• 15:48
  Speaker 5: Go have rescue five attached to you.
• 15:50
  Speaker 5: Copy.
• 15:52
  Speaker 5: Rescue five copy Engine, one level.
• 15:55
  Speaker 5: One Command engine, one Engine, one.
• 15:59
  Speaker 5: Spot your apparatus out of the way and go on deck alpha Copy.
• 16:03
  Speaker 5: Spot out of the way and go on, deck alpha Copy.
• 16:06
  Speaker 6: Spot out of the way.
• 16:06
  Speaker 6: Go on, deck alpha.
• 16:08
  Speaker 3: Rescue 1 on deck Rescue 1, staging level 1.
• 16:12
  Speaker 5: Command Rescue 1.
• 16:13
  Speaker 5: Rescue 1, go Spot your apparatus out of the way, instead of rehab and medical on the west side of the scene.
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: Rescue 1 copy.
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: Set up rehab west side of the scene.
• 16:24
  Speaker 5: Rescue 1, copy Set up rehab west side of the scene, command to Engine 5.
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: Engine 5, we arrived at.
• 16:28
  Speaker 5: Alpha Copy Set up positive pressure ventilation through Alpha.
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: Copy.
• 16:38
  Speaker 6: Chief, 1, command, you want me to take Alpha.
• 16:44
  Speaker 5: Command to Chief 1, that's affirmative.
• 16:45
  Speaker 5: Go ahead and be Alpha Sector Boss.
• 16:48
  Speaker 5: You have Engine 2, Engine 5, with Rescue 5 attached to Engine 5.
• 16:53
  Speaker 5: Engine 1 momentarily reporting to Alpha and you have Rescue 1 setting up rehab.
• 17:03
  Speaker 6: Alpha Command.
• 17:04
  Speaker 6: I got engine 2 working inside 5's on deck Alpha.
• 17:10
  Speaker 6: What else do I got?
• 17:12
  Speaker 5: Command back to Alpha.
• 17:13
  Speaker 5: You have engine 1 reporting to on deck Alpha.
• 17:17
  Speaker 5: You have Rescue 5 attached to engine 5, and you have Rescue 1 setting up rehab.
• 17:27
  Speaker 6: Alpha to Engine 2.
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: Engine 2 to Alpha Alpha go.
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: We currently have public conditions around the house.
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: We're ready to land and ready for extension.
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: We're testing a crew to go to the attic to check the attic space.
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: Alpha go ahead, alpha go ahead.
• 17:46
  Speaker 6: Alpha go ahead, alpha go ahead, Alpha go ahead, alpha go ahead, alpha go ahead, alpha go ahead, Alpha go ahead, Alpha go ahead, Alpha go ahead, Alpha go ahead, Alpha go ahead.
• 18:05
  Speaker 6: We got a haul clear on the structure Fire's out.
• 18:12
  Speaker 6: They're overhauling, sending Engine 5 crew into the garage attic space to check for any dissent in there.
• 18:25
  Speaker 5: Command copy Got a good knockdown on the fire overhauling, sending Engine 5 crew in Checking for a hit in fire.
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: So on this one, John, you know, starting with the dispatcher, their dispatch, giving them some information, I think one of the values that makes it a little easier with working with dispatch is when they work for the fire department.
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: So in this case they work hand in hand.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: I mean, mean dispatch obviously works with the fire department, but like when they can work with each other but they can also have some defined direction from the fire chief, that that's also good.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: So you know, on some of their audio we hear dispatch telling them where the closest hydrants are.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: Who might be first due other information like that.
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: So that's another one of those almost like air traffic control pieces how can the dispatcher help the companies responding.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: So I mean, on this one, good information there.
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like the kid trying to go back inside.
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: That's definitely something you want to know about as you're responding and coming into.
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: Something like that is, if not everyone has evacuated and there are people not following the pre-arrival instructions.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: That's really good to know as the company's coming in.
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: Absolutely yeah.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: And then engine two pulls up right, really good size up.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: So people always say, well, how do they get that to roll out like that?
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: Well, it's practice, right, the chief rolled out some expectations.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: He's training everybody.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: He's not, but he's making sure that everybody on the fire department is trained and then he's reinforcing you know good behavior and helping to correct, you know areas that could be improved.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: So you know excellent size up here, painting a good picture of what's going on.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: As Chief Bernasini you know used to say, maybe one of the most important communications on the fire ground, right, like it just sets the stage for what is going on.
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: It tells everybody else that's in route what it might look like In their system.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: The battalion chief pulled up right behind engine two so they hadn't gotten a 360 yet.
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: And you know that command transfer was super simple because you know, basically just gave a rundown of what the battalion had heard in route but took, took command.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: You know, right from the get-go, which you know in our system that puts it back to the task level, can do task level work and now you have a strategic IC in there that's doing strategic and tactical level decision making so the company officer can get back to focus on the work, right, and then still comes back with the follow-up report.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: You know to command the 360 is complete with the follow-up report.
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: You know to command that 360 is complete, what was found, and then you know what they were continuing to do.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: So I mean that was all good communications from the very front end.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: And you know people say, oh, it takes too long and it's like well, the information that you gain in that 12 to 14 seconds is really priceless because you can still have your firefighters, you know, deploying and doing things while you're still gathering information and letting everybody else know what's going on, so that we're all on the same page, operating on the same incident action plan.
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: So soon thereafter Engine 2 ends up inside.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: So Engine 2 keys up to command and is given a status change.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: Really was just given a report of hey, the fire's been knocked down and that they have it all clear and said you know no needs.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: Initially and on that I just want to talk briefly about Engine 2's communications from inside was very clear.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: So one thing we talk about is the strategic IC has to be listening right.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: One of the big jobs of the strategic IC is active listening.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: So you know they're in their car, they're wearing a headset, they can hear the communications and on this case is we're listening to it on here, we're not even there and you could make out exactly what engine two's communications was.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: And that doesn't happen by accident either, because majority of radio fire ground traffic we hear with people wearing their mask is not good.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: You know it repeats your traffic, you know it will garble, whatever.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: And it's because oftentimes they're not holding their mic in the right place.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: They're trying to use some Bluetooth technology that maybe they're not familiar with.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: They're just bothered because they don't want to talk on the radio, they just want to do work.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: I mean, who knows right?
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: But in this case I just want to bring it out that you know that engine to traffic from inside.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: On air it was, it was excellent, it was clear, and on air it was excellent, it was clear, and that's important because that also helps drive down radio traffic.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: So they keep.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: Engine 2 had keyed back up and said we actually need a company to assist us with checking for extension, so that next transmission was to Engine 5.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: So we talk about, you know, task, location and objective.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: The IC gives a great short task location, objective to engine five.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: And then they're following the order model.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: Engine five breaks it down, makes it a little bit shorter, but engine five repeats, um, not verbatim, but uh, gets the message back to command that they're clear on the assignment.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: We're going to park out of the way, get a water supply to engine two, pull back up line off of engine two.
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: So you know, strategic ICs doing strategic level accountability, checking that box this is where I'm at drawing out their incident action plan, um, and then you know, some things changed by the time engine five got into place they said that they were there in alpha and then they just got a reassignment to, you know, set up a positive pressure fan at the front door.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: So you know, sometimes we hear you know, if I don't have something for somebody to do, what do I do with them?
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: Well, in this case they were setting it up to support the work of that first company inside Engine 2.
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: So they wanted to get a company on deck, they wanted to get a backup line into place, they got a water supply, so all those things that we talk about when we're establishing an attack position.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: And in this case, you know, engine two.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: The fire was quickly, you know, knocked down and for the most part extinguished.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: They were just checking for extension.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: So then chief one pulls up and command wasn't ready to talk to chief one.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: Didn't have anything for chief one, right?
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: So he talked to the next company and put engine one, went level one, engine one I'm putting you on deck, alpha side.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: Engine one was a good order model Followed the process, you put rescue one, which in their system assigned to medical on the alpha side, and then circles back around and you know, chief one said do you want me to take alpha?
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: So you know, there was more than three companies assigned in a geographic area.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: The incident wasn't necessarily continuing to escalate, but the companies were there and really this is a good incident to just practice all of the moving parts, pieces and components of the system, right, and then you can have a conversation about it.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: Like what does it really look like?
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: Though it's a live event, it's a work in fire.
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: Like what does it really look like?
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: Though it's a live event, it's a work in fire.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: It's one of those where you can take some time, if you will, and exercise the system, not under as much stress.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: So Chief One gets assigned to Alpha, command gives him a rundown of what companies he's got, and then Chief One ends up there in Alpha I think, good communications.
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: We could follow the process.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: Um, chief one did come back as alpha to command and ask what companies do I have?
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: And, and you know, command came back and told them these are the companies that you have working.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: So, um, yeah, I mean I, I it's a.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: It's a great example of the system at work.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: Great audio, you know.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: The other thing is is I think at one point Chief One as Alpha, was having a little bit of difficulty communicating with one of the companies, and one of the advantages of being in the division is that face-to-face communication that you're able to do, and because of some of the noise they had going with the positive pressure fan and whatnot, it's like, hey, just do a face-to-face with me real quick.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: At a residential fire you can do that, and that takes it not only off the radio, it makes it clearer, while you still have the IC and a strategic command post that is capable of answering radio traffic right away, especially if there's a mayday.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: Well, let's keep it in Hernando County.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: I think this Hernando County traffic is really good, especially for a new B-shift department, or B-shift especially for a new blue card department.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: So what are we going to listen to next?
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so this next fire, it's a single story.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: Home they pull up.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: Actually the first, the first company that's approaching actually calls out I think I had a header on horizon or says something like that, which is a common thing in a lot of places.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: Because that just starts that upgrade Right, and you know it's a flip right, I went to, we've all been to plenty of fires.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: And like you, starts that upgrade right and you know it's a flip right, I went to, we've all been to plenty of fires.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: And like you called the what you what's dispatches a building on fire and you pull up and it's a car on fire and it's like, uh well, it just got upgraded, you know whatever, but you can never call for them too early.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: So if you upgrade them and you get there and it's something else, then disregard them them.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: But in this case they called Smoke on the Horizon or I'm not sure exactly how, I don't remember how he said it, but calls that out.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: Everybody knows they're going to a fire, gets there good size up, calls it defensive, you know from the beginning.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: And as we listen to the radio traffic, they get a pretty good command transfer.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: They get several companies there.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: It sounds like they get the fire knocked down and in this case, one of the companies says to command, we want to take a look inside and knock the fire down.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: And you know, if I'm just listening to this radio, traffic kind of the hair on my neck kind of raises up a little bit because it's like, eh, what are we doing?
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: We were defensive.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: But you know, if you're there and you can see what's going on and you talk to a couple companies and you're not going to where you were defensive but you're going to operate in a different part of the building just to protect that space, you know, really we could even define that as a defensive strategy.
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: Still, because we're protecting an exposure area, right, I mean, it all lines up with critical factors, right, I mean, I could clearly be defensive in one building and offensive in another building.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: When we talk about our residential sims, right, that happens when we talk about some of the strip mall simulations that we have.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: I can be defensive in the main fire unit and offensive in an exposure because I'm in a separate space, right, and that involves a lot of decision-making, you know, depending on exactly what is going on.
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: So, as you listen to this, I kind of wanted to load that up a little bit from the front, because some people are going to maybe take that approach of what are they doing, and I always say well, if you're not there, don't armchair quarterback, you know anybody.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: And in this case, the IC talked to two different companies, right, and had good eyes on what was going on and gave the companies a shot to protect what could still be saved, even though half of it was already a loss.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: They were trying to save what they could.
• 30:27
  Speaker 8: Battalion 1,.
• 30:27
  Speaker 8: Battalion 2, Engine 4, Engine 11, Engine 12,.
• 30:30
  Speaker 8: Rescue 11,.
• 30:31
  Speaker 8: Rescue 4, switch respond on fire 2 for 8095 Morelli Avenue, Zone 11,.
• 30:38
  Speaker 8: Reference a residential fire.
• 30:40
  Speaker 5: Engine 4 responding on 2.
• 30:42
  Speaker 8: Responding.
• 30:44
  Speaker 5: Battalion 2 on 2.
• 30:46
  Speaker 8: On 2.
• 30:48
  Speaker 5: Battalion 1 is responding Responding Space 1 responding.
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: Responding Space Club responding Responding.
• 30:54
  Speaker 8: All units.
• 30:55
  Speaker 8: I assure you.
• 30:55
  Speaker 8: Respond to 8095 Morelli Avenue, Cross Street, sterling Street and Country Club Drive.
• 31:00
  Speaker 8: It's going to be for a residential fire, originally started on the porch that's attached to the house.
• 31:06
  Speaker 8: There's no one inside except for three cats.
• 31:09
  Speaker 8: It's a single story.
• 31:14
  Speaker 5: The fire is now in the living room and, on the roof, k4, respond.
• 31:24
  Speaker 8: Responding Ag 11, hernando column sighted Copy.
• 31:28
  Speaker 5: column sighted.
• 31:28
  Speaker 5: Rescue 11 is on scene.
• 31:36
  Speaker 8: We had a mobile home half involved.
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: On the A side.
• 31:38
  Speaker 8: Copy on scene Mobile home half involved on Alpha side Engine 11, Hernandez.
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: Engine 11.
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: Engine 11 is on scene.
• 31:48
  Speaker 5: It's going to be a small mobile home, residential.
• 31:50
  Speaker 5: We're going to have flames showing from Alpha working the fire.
• 31:55
  Speaker 5: We're going to be stretching a line from fire attack and primary search to the Alpha side.
• 32:00
  Speaker 5: We're going to be offensive strategy.
• 32:02
  Speaker 5: We're going to be establishing Morelli Avenue command.
• 32:08
  Speaker 8: Copy on scene small mobile home residential Flames showing from Alpha side working fire stretching line.
• 32:15
  Speaker 8: Alpha side offensive strategy engine level command.
• 32:21
  Speaker 5: Battalion 2, Hernando.
• 32:22
  Speaker 8: Battalion 2.
• 32:22
  Speaker 8: Battalion 2 is on scene On scene Command Hernando Command 360 complete.
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: There's going to be no hazards.
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: No, basemen no explosions in danger.
• 32:36
  Speaker 5: Continuing an offensive strategy and accountability is going to be off the side of Engine 11.
• 32:42
  Speaker 8: Copy 360 complete.
• 32:47
  Speaker 5: No hazards, no exposures.
• 32:48
  Speaker 5: Chapter 4, Hernandez what should?
• 32:51
  Speaker 8: be my closest hydrant.
• 32:57
  Speaker 5: Closest hydrant is at 8198 Country Club Drive, tying to command.
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: Tying to command Tagalach.
• 33:04
  Speaker 5: I understand you're going to be in the offensive strategy, stretching a line for primary search and fire control?
• 33:14
  Speaker 5: If that's correct, give me a cam.
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: All set.
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: We have a fire in the alpha side of the house.
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: We're applying water at this time Little effect.
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: We're going to need water supply.
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: You're coming in unreadable.
• 33:39
  Speaker 8: Battalion 2 to Hernando Battalion 2.
• 33:43
  Speaker 5: Battalion 2 is going to assume command.
• 33:44
  Speaker 5: We are changing to the defensive strategy.
• 33:48
  Speaker 5: We have lost most of the structure and it is continuing to burn through to the other side of the structure go ahead and continue to balance the alarm.
• 34:03
  Speaker 5: Engine 4, level 1.
• 34:11
  Speaker 8: Copy level 1.
• 34:11
  Speaker 8: Hernando copies all Command.
• 34:14
  Speaker 5: Command Engine 4.
• 34:15
  Speaker 5: Engine 4, go ahead.
• 34:17
  Speaker 5: Command, Catch a hydrant.
• 34:23
  Speaker 7: Spot behind Engine 11.
• 34:27
  Speaker 5: Lay a line to them.
• 34:28
  Speaker 5: Then pull a second line off Engine 11 and assist with fire control.
• 34:33
  Speaker 5: Engine 4, I understand, is catching a hydrant.
• 34:39
  Speaker 5: Laying a line to engine 11, pulling the second line off engine 11 to assist in fire control.
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: So again, this one, the dispatch, fantastic job.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: By dispatch, I think right, I mean where's the fire?
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: Where did the fire start?
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: Describe the building, captured information from you know the caller, we know fires that start outside of buildings, you know, end up in attic spaces, go to the roof.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: You know, very quickly, spread, spread rapidly.
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: So good information again by dispatch.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: Rescue 11 pulled up and just gave like a two, like two little words, a mobile home and working fire, right, and the engine was right behind them.
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: So engine 11 gave a great size up, again reported as offensive does a 360, continues offensive accountability location where they were making the fire attack.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: And then the battalion pulled up.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: So again, a super simple transfer because just one company you know was working at that point.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: So when the battalion got there they said they were on scene and dispatch acknowledged it.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: But they didn't transfer command right away because in this case they probably could see what engine 11 was doing and didn't want to delay the work that was taking place, right.
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: So that's another one of those pieces of.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: I got a second here and you can catch up your worksheet, look at the big picture, what's really going on, so that when you set in as the strategic IC.
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: You're really ready to do that.
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: So when they were ready they keyed up and, you know, got a good transfer from command, from command.
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: The can report coming back Wasn't great, but I heard some pieces of it Right.
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: So when I say it wasn't great, it the firefighter talk on the mask sounded different on this one than on the first one.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: So command didn't hear all of it through, but based on what they could see and what they heard water having a little effect you know, command made the decision right away we're going defensive.
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: So at that point there was only, you know, one company there that was working and in this case that this is one of those cases the strategic IC is looking at it from 30,000 feet.
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: What's really going on here?
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: We don't have a water supply established yet.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: This thing's well involved.
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: I think he might've even said the majority of the building is a loss or already lost, something like that.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: So you know, sets it up for defensive, communicated that that this is going to be a defensive fire.
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: One of the inbound companies asked dispatch where the closest hydrant was and she came right back and told them where the closest hydrant is right.
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: So that's just another one of those things.
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: If you have that capability in your system that they can help support companies that are responding, I mean it's fantastic.
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: And again I'll take it back to air traffic control right, what can they do from a different position to help us do our job?
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: So that whole front end thing really good set it up, started out offensive, went defensive and then other companies are starting to arrive.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: So when engine four went level one, engine four got an assignment get a water supply, take it to engine 11, and then get a second line off of engine 11 to assist them with fire control.
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: So a really good task location and objective followed by an excellent use of the order model.
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: Command gives an assignment using task location and objective.
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: The company acknowledged the assignment, again using the order model, and then the strategic IC can kind of check the box.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: Okay, I know that they got the assignment because they verified it back through using the order model and communicating to me that they understand what assigned piece of work that they have to do.
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: So, yeah, I mean that incident only happens that way because they practice it all the time on everything, whether you got a pot of meat smoking on the stove or you pull up and it's a defensive fire from the get-go.
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: You use the same system all the time and we evaluate critical fire ground factors and plug that into our incident action plan of what are we going to do about it.
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: So what is the problem and what are we going to do about it?
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: So what is the problem and what are we going to do about it?
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: And when we see a manufactured home, that's certainly a critical fire ground factor.
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: We can't dismiss it because it's a smaller structure.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: Certainly firefighters have been killed and seriously injured in manufactured home fires and they were looking at that building in that way that this is going to be a fast-moving fire.
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: We know it's very lightweight construction and he made a pretty good determination right off the get-go almost that we're not going to risk our lives for stuff that's already lost.
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: I mean this building is going to be a complete loss.
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: So really good move there on that defensive shift.
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: Well, that's a great audio from Hernando County.
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: I mean salute to those guys and what they're doing with Blue Card.
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: I can't wait to hear what they have going a year from now as they continue to grow and continue to develop the system within their jurisdiction and working with some of their partners and really letting this blossom out and continue to grow their capabilities as incident commanders.
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, john, they've done great work and actually we're headed to Hernando County at the end of this month for a train-the-trainer class.
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: So we got a few open seats left in that If anybody was interested in attending that.
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: Few open seats left in that.
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: If anybody was interested in attending that, they could reach out to the office or myself, josh, at bshiftercom.
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll be at.
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: I think it's Hernando.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: We'll be in Hernando County.
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: I think it's the last week of April is when we will be there, but it's listed on bshiftercom.
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: You can see that class there.
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: Excellent, Well, do you have anything else for the folks before we wrap it up today, Josh?
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: No, if you're going to be at FDIC, stop by and see us and make sure you stay tuned to all the podcast and the buck slip that we all keep on working on and pushing out every single week, getting tons of activity on that, and I think it's having a huge impact.
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: So, john, really this is your mojo, but if you have something for the Buck Slip or something you want us to talk about or a podcast, or you want to get on a podcast, yeah, just reach out to us.
• 41:24
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• 41:43
  Speaker 1: All right, man.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: Well, I'll see you next week at FDIC.
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to that, and thanks for bringing us this audio today.
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: Josh Appreciate it Sounds great, John.
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: We'll talk to you soon.